GOP Rebranding Watch: Paul Ryan Walks Back His Thinly Veiled Race-Baiting

“Inarticulate”
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After making some of the usual disgusting Republican comments about lazy “inner city” men (do I need to translate that for you?), today Paul Ryan is issuing the standard GOP non-apology apology; he says he was “inarticulate.”

In a statement issued to ThinkProgress, Ryan said he regretted the comments and stressed that he did not intend to slander an entire community:

After reading the transcript of yesterday morning’s interview, it is clear that I was inarticulate about the point I was trying to make. I was not implicating the culture of one community—but of society as a whole. We have allowed our society to isolate or quarantine the poor rather than integrate people into our communities. The predictable result has been multi-generational poverty and little opportunity. I also believe the government’s response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work. A stable, good-paying job is the best bridge out of poverty.

The broader point I was trying to make is that we cannot settle for this status quo and that government and families have to do more and rethink our approach to fighting poverty. I have witnessed amazing people fighting against great odds with impressive success in poor communities. We can learn so much from them, and that is where this conversation should begin.

Ryan’s problem, of course, was really the exact opposite of being inarticulate. He stated the Republican position on African Americans very well, using the standard “inner city” diversionary language we’ve heard so many times before, but these days it’s getting more difficult for Republicans to use this kind of dog-whistle racism without being called on it.

And notice that Ryan doesn’t address the other disgusting part of his comments — referring to the work of “scientific white supremacist” Charles Murray (of “Bell Curve” infamy), who believes African Americans are less intelligent than whites, and that “a lot of poor people are born lazy.” And this, too, is a very standard GOP position; despite Murray’s work being discredited many times over, Republicans cite him as an authority repeatedly, to this day, and he works at the American Enterprise Institute, one of the top conservative think tanks.

In the immortal words of The Daily Show’s Aasif Mandvi: “You know we can hear you, right?

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237 comments
1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:13:51am

A stable, good-paying job is the best bridge out of poverty.

Which is why we oppose an increase to the minimum wage?

2 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:14:36am

Inarticulate = “I should have hid my racism better.”

3 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:14:42am

Ryan’s problem begins with and ends with the fact that he’s an asshole and like most conservatives in public office thinks nothing of racial scapegoating and using racist sources.

4 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:15:34am

Conservatives, in spite of complaining that ALL TEH UNEMPLOYMENT IS OBAMAS FAULT!!!!! actually require a large population of unemployed people who will accept low pay out of desperation.

5 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:17:14am

re: #2 Kragar

Inarticulate = “maybe I shouldn’t have cited that white supremacist openly.”

6 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:18:13am

We have allowed our society to isolate or quarantine the poor rather than integrate people into our communities. The predictable result has been multi-generational poverty and little opportunity. I also believe the government’s response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work.

LOLwhut?

Ryan wants to have the poors move into his neighborhood?

7 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:18:23am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A stable, good-paying job is the best bridge out of poverty.

Which is why we oppose an increase to the minimum wage?

A minimum wage increase, any job bills, investment in alternative energy companies, or anything that would in any way improve the economy that doesn’t boil down to “Help the 1% fleece the country a little harder.”

8 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:18:42am

HURR HURR!!!!!!
While it illustrates the stupidity of kevlar bras.

9 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:19:20am

re: #6 Bulworth

Ryan wants to have the poors move into his neighborhood?

Yes, as if he would ever support integrating low-income housing into a wealthy neighborhood.

10 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:19:28am

Paul Ryan, intellectual giant of the GOP, and another truly ignorant VP choice.

11 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:19:42am

re: #6 Bulworth

We have allowed our society to isolate or quarantine the poor rather than >integrate people into our communities. The predictable result has been multi-generational poverty and little opportunity. I also believe the government’s response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work.

LOLwhut?

Ryan wants to have the poors move into his neighborhood?

Ryan’s on crack again I see. And you sir create generations of poverty when you deny people access to tools like food stamps, student loans, welfare, etc that will help them get out of poverty. You can’t tell someone to pull themselves up while you’re throwing kerosene on the rope and saying go faster poor boy!

12 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:19:46am

” A stable, good-paying job temporary job paying minimum wage or less is the best bridge out of poverty.”

13 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:20:18am

re: #10 Skip Intro

Paul Ryan, intellectual giant of the GOP, and another truly ignorant VP choice.

Sarah Palin in a suit and a Congressional record is all he really is.

14 aagcobb  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:21:09am

Reality: studies show that the “poverty trap” is a myth. Poor children whose families get financial assistance have better outcomes for their entire lives. European countries with much more generous social safety nets have greater social mobility than the US does. Ryan is just an ideological hack, spouting lies so that the GOP can continue to redistribute the bulk of the nation’s wealth to the 1%.

15 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:21:26am

Pandering to white man fears.

OMG! next your weemens will want to have sex with black men and have their children.

16 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:21:29am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

It sounds like Ryan is complaining that poor people only live where they can afford to live.

I got nothin’.

17 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:23:45am

What gets me about Ryan is how utterly a fraud this man is. Let’s see. His family made a nice go at it doing work for the federal government. Paul’s college education? Paid for by his father’s SS benefits. Paul’s career since he was 28 years old? Congressman whose salary is paid by Joe Taxpayer. This guy is the real moocher that RWNJs claim that poor people who just want their families to get by are.

18 aagcobb  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:24:24am

re: #6 Bulworth

We have allowed our society to isolate or quarantine the poor rather than >integrate people into our communities. The predictable result has been multi-generational poverty and little opportunity. I also believe the government’s response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work.

LOLwhut?

Ryan wants to have the poors move into his neighborhood?

I think he wants to reinstitute segregation so that middle-class African-Americans have to live with poor African-Americans. I swear I have heard people claim the African-American community was better off when they all had to live together.

19 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:24:42am

re: #14 aagcobb

Reality: studies show that the “poverty trap” is a myth. Poor children whose families get financial assistance have better outcomes for their entire lives. European countries with much more generous social safety nets have greater social mobility than the US does. Ryan is just an ideological hack, spouting lies so that the GOP can continue to redistribute the bulk of the nation’s wealth to the 1%.

With Ryan himself being an excellent case study, as it was his father’s SSI survivor benefits which helped put him through college.

20 Zamb  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:25:25am

So there is no rural poor in his world? They all live in the big cities?

21 GunstarGreen  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:25:44am

A handy-dandy little chart, just in case people forgot what ‘advancements’ GOP economic policies brought to the field of social mobility:

Working precisely as designed.

22 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:25:45am
23 aagcobb  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:25:47am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

What gets me about Ryan is how utterly a fraud this man is. Let’s see. His family made a nice go at it doing work for the federal government. Paul’s college education? Paid for by his father’s SS benefits. Paul’s career since he was 28 years old? Congressman whose salary is paid by Joe Taxpayer. This guy is the real moocher that RWNJs claim that poor people who just want their families to get by are.

Faux objectivist who has been dependent on the government his entire life.

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:26:25am

re: #19 Targetpractice

With Ryan himself being an excellent case study, as it was his father’s SSI survivor benefits which helped put him through college.

He’s also had his salary paid for by the taxpayers since he was 28. Funny, I remember Romney deriding Obama for having no “business” experience whereas from what I understand the only real private sector experience Paul has is working at his family’s firm and McDonalds. The man’s a tool and hack.

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:26:46am
26 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:27:19am

re: #20 Zamb

So there is no rural poor in his world? They all live in the big cities?

If he actually stopped and addressed his party’s base, namely the poor white folks who gladly take government assistance while snarling that it’s ni-CLANGs and other minorities who are dragging the country down, then he’d be out of his ass after the next election.

27 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:27:57am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Sarah Palin in a suit and a Congressional record is all he really is.

From Wiki:

“During his 13 years in the House, Ryan has sponsored more than 70 bills or amendments, of which two were enacted into law.”

That’s some record.

28 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:28:05am
We have allowed our society to isolate or quarantine the poor rather than integrate people into our communities.

Right. We allowed white people to flee to the suburbs, we allowed white people to build mansions in neighborhoods zoned for single-family dwellings on large lots, we allowed white people to move back into the cities and make old neighborhoods unaffordable for the previous residents.

Now how the fuck are you going to reintegrate the poors into your communities, Mr. Ryan?

29 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:28:11am

re: #6 Bulworth

Ryan wants to have the poors move into his neighborhood?

Sure! as indentured servants, serfs, unpaid staff …

30 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:28:24am

He’s talking to you Kragar

31 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:28:26am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A stable, good-paying job is the best bridge out of poverty.

Which is why we oppose an increase to the minimum wage?

32 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:29:24am

re: #26 Targetpractice

If he actually stopped and addressed his party’s base, namely the poor white folks who gladly take government assistance while snarling that it’s ni-CLANGs and other minorities who are dragging the country down, then he’d be out of his ass after the next election.

There has to be some reason that these temporarily embarrassed millionaires are not currently living in mansions and being driven around in a Rolls Royce.
///

33 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:29:47am

re: #27 BongCrodny

From Wiki:

That’s some record.

And working hard, 135 days a year.

34 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:29:48am

re: #27 BongCrodny

From Wiki:

That’s some record.

I know, it was more me saying that the difference between Ryan and Palin is he’s a dude and background is legislative versus executive. He’s an awful Congressman.

35 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:29:52am

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

Bryan’s only saying that because he cares. //

36 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:30:16am

re: #33 jaunte

And working hard, 135 days a year.

But yes Paul please tell us some more about people who are too relient on the federal government for help.

37 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:30:19am

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!
While it illustrates the stupidity of kevlar bras.

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The point of that pic is it’s something for gun-lovin’ men and women to fap to while feeling righteous.

38 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:31:16am

re: #14 aagcobb

Reality: studies show that the “poverty trap” is a myth. Poor children whose families get financial assistance have better outcomes for their entire lives. European countries with much more generous social safety nets have greater social mobility than the US does. Ryan is just an ideological hack, spouting lies so that the GOP can continue to redistribute the bulk of the nation’s wealth to the 1%.

39 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:31:34am

re: #28 wrenchwench

Right. We allowed white people to flee to the suburbs, we allowed white people to build mansions in neighborhoods zoned for single-family dwellings on large lots, we allowed white people to move back into the cities and make old neighborhoods unaffordable for the previous residents.

Now how the fuck are you going to reintegrate the poors into your communities, Mr. Ryan?

By their bootstraps, of course. If they’re not rich, they’re not working hard enough. Look at him, a rich and successful Congress critter, all on his own hard work, and not in any way the result of sucking the government teat for all he was worth.

40 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:31:42am

re: #37 chadu

The point of that pic is it’s something for gun-lovin’ men and women to fap to while feeling righteous.

A scoped sniper rifle & kevlar bra is no more a protection against rape than a “whistle”

41 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:32:20am

re: #39 Targetpractice

By their bootstraps, of course. If they’re not rich, they’re not working hard enough. Look at him, a rich and successful Congress critter, all on his own hard work, and not in any way the result of sucking the government teat for all he was worth.

Which begs the question, who paid for Ben Carson’s medical school tuition?

42 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:32:46am

You know how the right came up with Limo Liberal for liberals who live well while expecting people to help the poor. I like Communal Conservative for people like Ryan who deride people on federal assistance and using the federal government who have their education and career thanks to the feds.

43 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:32:50am
44 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:33:01am

re: #15 FemNaziBitch

Pandering to white man fears.

OMG! next your weemens will want to have sex with black men and have their children.

Actually, Cletus, your wimmins will want to have sex with the blah men, give birth to their children (instead of yours), and have you* raise them.

* OPTIONAL ADDITIONAL PHRASE: “pay to”

45 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:33:29am

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s talking to you Kragar

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Fuck him.

46 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:34:22am

re: #16 Bulworth

It sounds like Ryan is complaining that poor people only live where they can afford to live.

I got nothin’.

They should just stop being poor! Just like people can stop being gay. Or needing birth control.

47 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:34:35am

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

Which begs the question, who paid for Ben Carson’s medical school tuition?

That’s like asking who paid for Ron Paul’s medical training. Answer: The United States Air Force. But he’s also one of those guys out there declaring that a person should drag themselves up by their bootstraps because “I never took anything from the government!”

48 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:34:53am

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

Which begs the question, who paid for Ben Carson’s medical school tuition?

I thought the was on scholarship.

49 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:35:14am

re: #20 Zamb

So there is no rural poor in his world? They all live in the big cities?

White people can’t be poor, unless they’re the parents of someone who later runs for office.

50 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:35:40am

bbl

51 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:36:19am

re: #47 Targetpractice

That’s like asking who paid for Ron Paul’s medical training. Answer: The United States Air Force. But he’s also one of those guys out there declaring that a person should drag themselves up by their bootstraps because “I never took anything from the government!”

Just like Rick Santorum rants about the evils of public education while having degrees from Penn State and the University of Pittsburgh. I mean these guys have a lot of fucking nerve whining about the federal government doing the same for others that it did for them.

52 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:36:23am

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!
While it illustrates the stupidity of kevlar bras.

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Send her this:

“I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I’m afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it,” [Dr. Benjamin] Carson elaborated.
mediaite.com

53 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:37:02am

re: #52 jaunte

Send her this:

I’m done feeding the troll.

54 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:37:13am

re: #27 BongCrodny

That’s some record.

Seriously, this “rich people welfare” with nonproductive or incompetent morons getting paid big bucks for many years is really starting to piss me off.

55 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:37:20am

re: #52 jaunte

Send her this:

Was that before or after he became a born again wingnut?

56 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:37:37am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Just last year, I think.

57 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:38:26am

Honestly I can’t believe Ryan only has two laws to his name. You’d think he would have gotten at least something of substance passed in even the Bush years where Bush didn’t have his first veto until 2007 I believe.

58 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:38:27am

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s talking to you Kragar

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Twitter Gulag is for eternity now?

59 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:38:38am

re: #56 jaunte

Just last year, I think.

Ah thanks.

60 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:38:49am

Ben Carson attended DETROIT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

You know, the same DETROIT RUINED BY TEH LIBRULZ!!!!!!!!!

61 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:39:37am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t want the “urban” population to be armed, so his audience is probably fine with that.

62 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:39:51am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

It’s a thing of nightmares to Fischer’s eye.

63 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:40:34am

So much Derp everywhere, I almost forgot about THIS FREAKING DERP:

64 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:40:46am

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Honestly I can’t believe Ryan only has two laws to his name. You’d think he would have gotten at least something of substance passed in even the Bush years where Bush didn’t have his first veto until 2007 I believe.

Hell, want hilarious? The first iterations of the “Ryan Plan” never went anywhere under Bush’s watch. Why? Because he was a backbencher nobody whose budget would have looked bad when the GOP was arguing to the American people that they were not spending like drunken sailors. But as soon as Obama becomes President, well the “Ryan Plan” becomes hot shit and Ryan suddenly becomes the “Economic Guru” of the House GOP.

65 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:40:56am

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Carson attended DETROIT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

You know, the same DETROIT RUINED BY TEH LIBRULZ!!!!!!!!!

See! Proof that liberal education doesn’t work! Carson has a logic deficit that can only be explained by public education

66 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:42:20am

re: #40 Pie-onist Overlord

A scoped sniper rifle & kevlar bra is no more a protection against rape than a “whistle”

I believe from downstairs the lady believes it is, if it’s openly displayed.

I would say that any human being openly holding a scoped sniper rifle and wearing a kevlar bra is less likely to get raped.

I would say that all other things being equal, that armed human being would be less likely to be raped than, say, a fainting goat nearby.

I mean, mathematically.

67 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:42:26am

Personally, I think all public facility cafeterias should be VEGAN so Muslims & Juice & Vegetarians & Hindus can all eat there but fuck you bacon eaters.

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:42:55am

re: #6 Bulworth

We have allowed our society to isolate or quarantine the poor rather than >integrate people into our communities. The predictable result has been multi-generational poverty and little opportunity. I also believe the government’s response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work.

LOLwhut?

Ryan wants to have the poors move into his neighborhood?

There’s always the servants’ quarters out back…

69 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:43:04am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

BEAR! RUN FOR IT!

70 darthstar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:43:06am

“Inarticulate” - one of the key qualities of racists everywhere.

71 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:44:17am
“There should be a right of secession,” [Ron] Paul concluded. He said America has a tradition of secession and Crimea should have it as well.
mediaite.com
72 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:45:07am

re: #71 jaunte

Yeah America has a tradition of secession, like, the USA kicked secesh asses.

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:45:12am

re: #71 jaunte

Just like Ron Paul.

74 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:45:15am

Secessionist nostalgia.

75 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:45:26am

re: #70 darthstar

“Inarticulate” - one of the key qualities of racists everywhere.

Ironically, when they feel the need to compliment a person of color, that’s one of the first words they think of.

76 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:45:35am

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord

Yeah America has a tradition of secession, like, the USA kicked secesh asses.

Shhh don’t remind Ron about that, he cries when it’s pointed out that his side lost the war.

77 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:45:47am

re: #71 jaunte

Secession, enforced by Russian troops propping up their puppets.

Fuck you Ron

78 GunstarGreen  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:45:49am

I really don’t get the whole TAXPAYER FUNDED!!1!!11!! complaint that gets attached to… well, anything a given RWNJ doesn’t like. There’s a whole lot of shit that your taxes fund that you probably don’t approve of. You don’t get to pick and choose. That’s how it’s always been and always will be.

A party of children, eternally throwing temper-tantrums about the simple facts of life.

79 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:45:57am

re: #74 jaunte

Secessionist nostalgia.

They think they can have a do-over.

80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:46:21am

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

So much Derp everywhere, I almost forgot about THIS FREAKING DERP:

Muslim Group Pushes for Taxpayer Funded Halal Food in NYC Public Schools: The relentless push to islamicize …

LET THEM EAT PORK PIES!!!

81 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:46:27am

re: #64 Targetpractice

Hell, want hilarious? The first iterations of the “Ryan Plan” never went anywhere under Bush’s watch. Why? Because he was a backbencher nobody whose budget would have looked bad when the GOP was arguing to the American people that they were not spending like drunken sailors. But as soon as Obama becomes President, well the “Ryan Plan” becomes hot shit and Ryan suddenly becomes the “Economic Guru” of the House GOP.

Yeah Ryan the guru/policy wonk was such a joke since he ran away from his own plan as soon as it got heat. I believe the coward even said “They were just suggestions!”

82 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:46:51am

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

Because if Halal food is introduced at all it can only mean that everyone else will lose their freedoms to eat Tyson’s factory farmed food just like The Founders intended. //

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:48:01am

re: #27 BongCrodny

From Wiki:

That’s some record.

And those two bills of his that actually became law?

One, passed in July 2000, renamed a post office in Ryan’s district; the other, passed in December 2008, lowered the excise tax on arrow shafts.[64][65]

84 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:48:43am

re: #78 GunstarGreen

This

85 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:48:45am

re: #77 Kragar

Secession, enforced by Russian troops propping up their puppets.

Fuck you Ron

So according to Ron, if Muslim terrorists seized the state capital in Austin, declared themselves the “legitimate” government of Texas, and immediately passed a resolution declaring the state’s intention to secede and become an Islamic Republic, he’s be cool with that?

86 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:49:48am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

And those two bills of his that actually became law?

Yeah I remember that coming out after Romney picked him. Romney tried to weasel saying that he picked Ryan for reasons beyond the Ryan plan but really what was Ryan without the Ryan plan, well we’re seeing it and it’s shit little. Honestly, I felt that Ryan looked like just another one of Mitt’s sons out there making the sleazy attacks on Obama from a position of priviliege.

87 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:50:09am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, I think we can all be thankful that no other legislation sponsored by Ryan has become law.

88 darthstar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:50:17am

re: #75 wrenchwench

Ironically, when they feel the need to compliment a person of color, that’s one of the first words they think of.

I remember…right after Obama won in 2008 the best thing anyone could say about him from the right was that he seemed articulate. Probably because they were shocked he didn’t say ‘Wazzzuuuuup!’ at his victory speech.

89 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:50:24am

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

Personally, I think all public facility cafeterias should be VEGAN so Muslims & Juice & Vegetarians & Hindus can all eat there but fuck you bacon eaters.

Did you mean to attribute the quote to bacon eaters?

90 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:51:15am
91 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:51:32am

re: #89 chadu

Did you mean to attribute the quote to bacon eaters?

Ha yeah this bacon eater likes halal, kosher, and vegan.

92 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:51:38am
93 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:52:01am

re: #89 chadu

Did you mean to attribute the quote to bacon eaters?

Making a public facility cafeteria Vegan would satisfy almost every other demographic, but would be saying “Fuck you!” to the bacon eaters.

94 darthstar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:52:05am

I like bacon.

There. I said it.

95 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:52:16am

re: #78 GunstarGreen

I really don’t get the whole TAXPAYER FUNDED!!1!!11!! complaint that gets attached to… well, anything a given RWNJ doesn’t like. There’s a whole lot of shit that your taxes fund that you probably don’t approve of. You don’t get to pick and choose. That’s how it’s always been and always will be.

A party of children, eternally throwing temper-tantrums about the simple facts of life.

I don’t approve of 50 taxpayer-funded votes to repeal, defund, or delay the ACA.

96 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:52:28am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

And those two bills of his that actually became law?

One, passed in July 2000, renamed a post office in Ryan’s district; the other, passed in December 2008, lowered the excise tax on arrow shafts.[64][65]

Was he performing constituent service for the Quiverfull movement?

97 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:53:31am

Co-opting the Civil Rights movement:

98 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:53:41am

ryan turns out to be even more lacking than most republicans in the clue department

99 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:53:43am

re: #94 darthstar

I like bacon.

There. I said it.

You know, I like bacon but I don’t love bacon either. And it’s not something that’s come with changing my eating habits either. Even when I was more big, I liked it, don’t get me wrong but I don’t love bacon the way some people do. Now perhaps I just need better bacon and need to make that bacon, whiskey, and pancakes recipe that Esquire had a couple months back.

100 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:54:13am

Charles Pierce cuts through the crap of the “It’s good for me but not for thee” assshole, Paul Ryan.

Sooner or later, you blurt something out in the code and the rest of the world hears it. He didn’t say “inner city” by accident. He didn’t cite a white supremacist like Murray by accident. He didn’t go on Bennett’s radio show accidentally. He knew what he was saying and to what audience. He was extremely articulate. And he remains the biggest fake in American politics.

101 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:54:16am

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

Co-opting the Civil Rights movement:

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Co-opting the Civil Rights movement and a Godwin. I give that one a 9.

102 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:54:42am

Bacon has a certain totemic appeal to it that goes beyond its role as a food…

103 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:54:47am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

And those two bills of his that actually became law?
One, passed in July 2000, renamed a post office in Ryan’s district; the other, passed in December 2008, lowered the excise tax on arrow shafts.

Usul, we have straight-linesign the likes of which even God has never seen.

104 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:55:00am

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

“jack-booted homofascist thugs” who are bringing back Jim Crow.

He forgot “forced down our throats.”

105 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:55:04am

re: #100 Skip Intro

Charles Pierce cuts through the crap of the “It’s good for me but not for thee” assshole, Paul Ryan.

He knew that there would be a backlash with the public but that his own base will love it and forgive him for it.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:55:19am

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord

Yeah America has a tradition of secession, like, the USA kicked secesh asses.

I await Paul Ryan comparing the Crimea to West Virginia.

107 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:55:58am

Okay, speaking personally as to the “bridge out of poverty”:

For the first time in almost four years (two-and-a-half underemployed, a six-month temporary job, and the past year going to school for medical transcription), it looks like I finally have a JOB.

Yep. I’ve been hired by a Veterans Administration medical center out of state as an “Office Automation Assistant,” which, from everything I’ve been able to figure out, is “transcriptionist” with a little of this (timekeeping) and a little of that (purchasing) thrown in.

I qualified a while back for a program called VRAP, which sends veterans back to a trade school for up to a year as long as the course of study is for a “high demand occupation.” As I can type around 80 words per minute, I thought medical transcription was an apt fit. It doesn’t pay a lot, but I don’t really need a lot. And to be honest, there are a *lot* worse things I could do with the rest of my life than contribute in some small way at a veterans hospital.

VRAP is the kind of program that defines “good government.” It has sent some 74,000 veterans back to school for retraining, and while I can’t offer any hard data as to its success ratio, both me and one of my closest friends (he as a truck driver!) were able to secure employment after completing our respective courses. The only qualifications needed for the program were that at the time of application you had to be unemployed, and between the ages of 35 and 60.

The larger bill under which VRAP was authorized, the “Vow to Hire Heroes Act of 2011,” had amazing bipartisan support, passing the House 422-0 and 95-0 in the Senate. The bill was signed into law by President Obama on November 21, 2011.

Unfortunately, the program expires on March 31 of this year. A three-month extension of the program is being considered. It should be noted that the extension was drafted by Rep. Jeff Miller, a Republican from Florida. The extension’s 14 co-sponsors are all Democrats.

108 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:55:58am

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

This is true confirmed FACT even though no one can point to any Christians being sent to the back of the bus anywhere or any Christians being fired or whose homes have been firebombed or anything like that. The RWNJ like the analogy anyway so they’re going to use it. //

109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:55:58am

Almost heaven West Crimea…

110 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:56:13am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Co-opting the Civil Rights movement and a Godwin. I give that one a 9.

Let me know when the first Christians are lynched by Teh Ghey, as in having one end of a rope tied around their neck & the other end over a tree limb until death by strangulation occurs. Baking a cake for somebody is not that same thing.

111 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:56:18am

re: #85 Targetpractice

So according to Ron, if Muslim terrorists seized the state capital in Austin, declared themselves the “legitimate” government of Texas, and immediately passed a resolution declaring the state’s intention to secede and become an Islamic Republic, he’s be cool with that?

Totally cool.

112 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:56:46am

re: #104 jaunte

He forgot “forced down our throats.”

Cake is good. You would not have to force it down my throat.

113 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:56:51am

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

Making a public facility cafeteria Vegan would satisfy almost every other demographic, but would be saying “Fuck you!” to the bacon eaters.

Ah.

I could go with “primarily Vegan” with secondary specialties without blinking.

Not just for the bacon eaters, but also for the allergic.

114 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:56:57am
115 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:57:00am

ryan’s “apology” only nets him more sympathy with racist wingnuts since he now is seem as a victim of the dreaded “political correctness”

you know, “political correctness” - the horrible scourge of people being made to feel uncomfortable for making racist remarks or otherwise being unspeakably rude

116 ObserverArt  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:57:04am

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

So much Derp everywhere, I almost forgot about THIS FREAKING DERP:

Muslim Group Pushes for Taxpayer Funded Halal Food in NYC Public Schools: The relentless push to islamicize …

Wow…some Pammy derpage. Haven’t seen much mention of her around here lately. Which by the way, is a good thing.

117 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:57:55am

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

Let me know when the first Christians are lynched by Teh Ghey, as in having one end of a rope tied around their neck & the other end over a tree limb until death by strangulation occurs. Baking a cake for somebody is not that same thing.

Seriously. Oh I have to treat gay people as equals. Yeah just like fearing for your life if you happen to be the wrong skin color. I’m tired of these people co-opting real struggle and real oppression to the fact that they have to deal with reality which is gay people should have the same rights as they do.

118 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:58:24am

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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GG’s drunk with bullshit again I see. No money?

119 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:58:45am

re: #107 BongCrodny

Congratulations and good luck!

120 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:59:01am

re: #92 lawhawk

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I’m guessing that when Carson was saying that conservatives are afraid to say what they want due to the “PC” crowd, he was talking about white guys like Ryan who want so badly to blame America’s poverty problems on “shiftless black young bucks.”

121 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:59:15am

re: #106 Feline Fearless Leader

I await Paul Ryan comparing the Crimea to West Virginia.

Ron Paul not Rand Paul or Paul Ryan. I know it’s confusing.

122 nines09  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:59:45am

Oh I think he was very, very articulate. When people continue to talk, they sometimes get so comfortable that the real them is spoken. He thinks you all are stupid. The people who voted for this sack of hammers certainly are.

123 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 11:59:52am

re: #120 Targetpractice

I’m guessing that when Carson was saying that conservatives are afraid to say what they want due to the “PC” crowd, he was talking about white guys like Ryan who want so badly to blame America’s poverty problems on “shiftless black young bucks.”

Young bucks buying steaks. But Reagan wasn’t a race baiting ass.

124 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:00:37pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Ron Paul not Rand Paul or Paul Ryan. I know it’s confusing.

Next up: Ryan Rand. There must be one waiting in the wing[nut]s.

125 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:00:43pm

re: #108 Bulworth

This is true confirmed FACT even though no one can point to any Christians being sent to the back of the bus anywhere or any Christians being fired or whose homes have been firebombed or anything like that. The RWNJ like the analogy anyway so they’re going to use it. //

HURR HURR BUT TEH CAKES, TEH GAY WEDDING CAKES THERE BEING FORCE TO BAKE & DECORATE WITH 2 LITTLE GROOM FIGURES ON TOP!!! TEH CAKE OF PERSECUTION!!!!!!!

126 aagcobb  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:00:53pm

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

Let me know when the first Christians are lynched by Teh Ghey, as in having one end of a rope tied around their neck & the other end over a tree limb until death by strangulation occurs. Baking a cake for somebody is not that same thing.

Having to take a photo of Teh Ghey’s celebrating is exactly like being lynched, except for the being strangled until dead part./

127 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:01:01pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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Assange, who was editor in chief of wikileaks, had no money or power?

128 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:01:02pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

Next up: Ryan Rand. There must be one waiting in the wing[nut]s.

Ha! or Ron Ryan.

129 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:01:14pm

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Almost heaven West Crimea…

Take me home, country road.
To a place where I belong,
West Crimea, mountain mama..
Take me home.

130 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:01:18pm

Julian Assange has no money? How the hell did he move from Australia to Europe and travel to North Africa and all around Europe?

131 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:01:35pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Yeah and working for the NSA and having the security clearances et al kinda counts as a sort of power, too.

132 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:01:47pm

re: #126 aagcobb

Having to take a photo of Teh Ghey’s celebrating is exactly like being lynched, except for the being strangled until dead part./

Seeing gay people happy just like the ghettos. //

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:02:32pm

IT JUST LIKE BEING FORCE TO PLAY TEH VIOLIN AT AUSCHWITZ!!!!!!

134 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:03:10pm

re: #127 Kragar

He probably meant, “Snowden doesn’t have the kind of money I have.”

135 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:03:32pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

And all those poor conservatives at Fox News who are just a bunch of wilting flowers, scared to say anything at all. //

136 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:04:07pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Not just anyone reported that detail Charles. Greenwald reported that Snowden made roughly $200,000, and lived comfortably.


He does not fear the consequences of going public, he said, only that doing so will distract attention from the issues raised by his disclosures. “I know the media likes to personalise political debates, and I know the government will demonise me.”

Despite these fears, he remained hopeful his outing will not divert attention from the substance of his disclosures. “I really want the focus to be on these documents and the debate which I hope this will trigger among citizens around the globe about what kind of world we want to live in.” He added: “My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them.”

He has had “a very comfortable life” that included a salary of roughly $200,000, a girlfriend with whom he shared a home in Hawaii, a stable career, and a family he loves. “I’m willing to sacrifice all of that because I can’t in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building.”

Let’s see. Snowden fled to Russia because? He feared for his safety? Even though he claimed not to fear for the consequences of going public with his espionage.

He then claimed to have a comfortable life where he made roughly $200,000, had a GF, and a stable career.

But now? Greenwald’s got amnesia? Ignores the narrative that Greenwald himself put together?

Jeez. 200 grand is nothing to sneeze at. You’d do quite nicely pretty much anywhere in the world on that kind of money.

137 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:04:10pm

re: #119 Bulworth

Congratulations and good luck!

Thanks! I can honestly say I’m really looking forward to it.

It’s a move from the frigid northeast to the heartland — and I don’t know a soul in the area — so there is some trepidation.

Any lizards in and around the greater KCMO area feel free to look me up once I get settled in. :-)

138 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:05:21pm

re: #136 lawhawk

Not just anyone reported that detail Charles. Greenwald reported that Snowden made roughly $200,000, and lived comfortably.

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Let’s see. Snowden fled to Russia because? He feared for his safety? Even though he claimed not to fear for the consequences of going public with his espionage.

He then claimed to have a comfortable life where he made roughly $200,000, had a GF, and a stable career.

But now? Greenwald’s got amnesia? Ignores the narrative that Greenwald himself put together?

Jeez. 200 grand is nothing to sneeze at. You’d do quite nicely pretty much anywhere in the world on that kind of money.

My understanding he was only pulling in $62/hr as a contractor, and he had only been at that job for 3 months.

139 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:05:41pm

re: #108 Bulworth

This is true confirmed FACT even though no one can point to any Christians being sent to the back of the bus anywhere or any Christians being fired or whose homes have been firebombed or anything like that. The RWNJ like the analogy anyway so they’re going to use it. //

please do not obsfucate matters with science or other baloney sandwiches

Youtube Video

140 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:05:47pm
141 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:08:22pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

Next up: Ryan Rand. There must be one waiting in the wing[nut]s.

Obviously a Silver Age DC villain, with an alliterative name like that.

142 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:08:38pm
143 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:08:50pm

And just how ‘effective’ have these radicals been? Assange is stuck in the embassy of a third world country, Snowden is stuck in Mother Russia, Manning is stuck in prison, and the government of the US, the target of all their machinations, continues about its business.

144 sagehen  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:09:02pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I know, it was more me saying that the difference between Ryan and Palin is he’s a dude and background is legislative versus executive. He’s an awful Congressman.

awww, c’mon… he speaks in full sentences. And none of his children have a) dropped out of school, b) been arrested, or c) had surprise pregnancies. (they’re young yet, but still I feel like they’re unlikely to match the Palin brood in such antics).

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:09:09pm

HURR HURR!!!! If you wouldn’t support these candidates, what does that make YOU!
Uh, someone who doesn’t support psychopaths and war criminals?

146 calochortus  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:10:17pm

re: #108 Bulworth

This is true confirmed FACT even though no one can point to any Christians being sent to the back of the bus anywhere or any Christians being fired or whose homes have been firebombed or anything like that. The RWNJ like the analogy anyway so they’re going to use it. //

I had to sit in the back of a BART train car when heading for San Francisco the day of the Pride parade. It was pretty full. (I sat next to a young woman wearing a cute pair of wings, which she thoughtfully folded to the side to be out of my way.)

Does that count? Have I been marginalized? Am I a VICTIM????

Edit: Wait, I’m not a Christian, so nevermind.
//

147 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:11:02pm

Okay so the New Scientist goes with this unsupportable stupid headline-

Did US spy satellites track Malaysia Flight MH370?

why would we bother? Is there anything the NSA is not said to be watching?!?

This is the story being cited about Rolls Royce getting engine telemetry for four hours beyond the time of the flight going off the radar. Still un named sources on that. But the headline…. WTH?

newscientist.com

Not Paged until this gets a little more solid.

148 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:11:31pm

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!

“If you wouldn’t support these candidates, what does that make YOU?”

Smart?

149 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:11:34pm

re: #141 chadu

Obviously a Silver Age DC villain, with an alliterative name like that.

AKA The Robber Baron

150 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:12:18pm

$200K a year may not be $250M, but it ain’t exactly chicken feed.

151 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:12:28pm

re: #138 Pie-onist Overlord

I’ve seen the $62 an hour too, which again is nothing to sneeze at. You could make $200k annuallized with $62 an hour (working 60-70 hours a week). But the $200k figure comes from Greenwald’s own article as found in the wayback machine.

152 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:12:40pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

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“Using… own… ‘reporting’… against me! EJECT-EJECT-EJECT!”

153 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:12:51pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

$200K a year may not be $250M, but it ain’t exactly chicken feed.

So, upper lower class according to Fox, right?

154 Lidane  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:12:58pm

Am currently pointing out to a “libertarian” (read: wingnut who doesn’t want to admit he’s a wingnut) that:

1) No, Oklahoma didn’t actually pass that bill he’s crowing about making gold and silver legal tender and nullifying the Fed. The only sites babbling about that bill supposedly passing are raving lunatic sites like BeforeItsNews. No Oklahoma newspaper mentions this. That’s kind of an important detail, don’t you think?

2) Also, states don’t have the power to coin money or regulate its value. They can’t decide what is or what isn’t legal tender. That’s quite obviously a federal power in Article 1, Section 8 in the Constitution he claims to love so much.

3) Nullification has been a failed idea since the 1800s. There’s a reason for that.

*sigh*

155 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:13:28pm
156 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:14:13pm

re: #151 lawhawk

I’ve seen the $62 an hour too, which again is nothing to sneeze at. You could make $200k annuallized with $62 an hour (working 60-70 hours a week). But the $200k figure comes from Greenwald’s own article as found in the wayback machine.

$62/hr is a bunch more than I make, and I have a degree from an engineering college, and 25 years of experience.

But, I’m a woman who only makes 77% of what a man in the same field makes. Also too: Detroit.

157 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:14:37pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

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Raging at Bill Gates? Glenn, get in line and take a number. You’re just behind everybody who bought Vista, and they’re behind the folks who bought WinMe, who are behind the ones who fell victim to Win95.

158 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:15:22pm

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! If you wouldn’t support these candidates, what does that make YOU!
Uh, someone who doesn’t support psychopaths and war criminals?

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Any minority conservative?

So, they’d support a Muslim conservative?

159 nines09  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:15:34pm

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s talking to you Kragar

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Comments disabled already. Huh.

160 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:16:03pm
161 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:16:35pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

Raging at Bill Gates? Glenn, get in line and take a number. You’re just behind everybody who bought Vista, and they’re behind the folks who bought WinMe, who are behind the ones who fell victim to Win95.

And all those who got conned into upgrading Win7 machines to 8.0. Long line huh?

162 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:16:37pm

re: #149 Kragar

AKA The Robber Baron

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163 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:17:35pm

“Not a deep moral philosopher, shall we say. Unlike myself, the Mighty Greenwald.”

164 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:18:02pm
165 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:18:51pm

re: #159 nines09

Comments disabled already. Huh.

He never enables comments, because who could possibly have anything to say that tops him?

166 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:19:14pm

re: #138 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh, and Greenwald was called out by WaPo for the weasel-worded claim about his salary, particularly after Booz Allen released their own salary data, which was 64% of the amount claimed.

Booz claimed Snowden made $122,000, which is still nothing to sneeze at. And certainly not one to cry poverty, unless you’re comparing yourself to Pierre or Gates. You’d still be able to live quite comfortably in most places around the world.

167 Lidane  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:19:30pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

Raging at Bill Gates? Glenn, get in line and take a number. You’re just behind everybody who bought Vista, and they’re behind the folks who bought WinMe, who are behind the ones who fell victim to Win95.

And all of those people are having to wait for the people who bought Windows 8 to quit bitching and they’re going to be here a while. Heh.

168 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:19:56pm

He’s really having a Bill Gates hategasm.

169 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:21:31pm

From Today’s Townhall email:

170 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:21:49pm

Bellwether!

171 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:22:06pm

re: #2 Kragar

Inarticulate = “I should have hid my racism better.”

Inarticulate = “I mistakenly used my ‘inside’ voice!”

172 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:23:29pm

re: #169 jaunte

From Today’s Townhall email:

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Politico is pushing exactly the same right wing meme in their headline:

173 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:23:49pm

re: #169 jaunte

From Today’s Townhall email:

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Meanwhile Republicans are left threatening to let the “Doc Fix” go unpassed unless it’s coupled to yet another individual mandate delay, putting them in the position of using their own base’s Medicare as a bargaining chip against a program who 64% of Americans think should remain the law.

174 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:24:01pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

He’s really having a Bill Gates hategasm.

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Gates may have more money and power, but Greenwald has the moral philosophy!

175 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:24:23pm

Disarrayed, fractured people with preexisting conditions remain glad they can buy insurance.

176 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:24:36pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

He’s really having a Bill Gates hategasm.

Man, the Mighty Greenwald comes off as a kid who got pantsed in junior high being pissed off at the nerd who didn’t get pantsed in junior high because he helped tutor the jocks in algebra class (but said nerd probably got pantsed for other reasons, just not the same reasons/times that tMG got pantsed).

Or something.

That analogy looked more apt in my headguts.

177 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:25:11pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Politico is pushing exactly the same right wing meme in their headline:

politico

But you can be sure that if the Dem has won what was a very tight race, they’d be making excuses for why it’s not a bellwether and how all their predictions about it being a “referendum on Obamacare” don’t mean that the public suddenly supports the law.

178 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:25:30pm

Glenn Greenwald really wants Bill Gates’s approval.

179 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:26:07pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

He’s really having a Bill Gates hategasm.

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Okay, better analogy:

Ed Snowden is the Mighty Greenwald’s Canadian girlfriend Russian boyfriend.

180 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:26:41pm

How many billionaires does one amateur journalist need?

181 chadu  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:26:54pm

re: #169 jaunte

From Today’s Townhall email:

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Weird. The Democrats I see/hear/know are pretty jazzed about Obamacare.

182 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:27:08pm

re: #169 jaunte

OFFS

183 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:27:10pm

re: #169 jaunte

Democrats in Disarray

it’s clear obama will lose in 2012 because of obamacare

184 jaunte  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:27:47pm

re: #181 chadu

I get strange glimpses of another worldview when my email comes in.

185 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:28:20pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald really wants Bill Gates’s approval.

…and/or money. Which is the other form of approval Greenwald recognizes, besides favorable Tweets about Snowden.

186 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:28:47pm

re: #166 lawhawk

Booz claimed Snowden made $122,000, which is still nothing to sneeze at. And certainly not one to cry poverty, unless you’re comparing yourself to Pierre or Gates. You’d still be able to live quite comfortably in most places around the world.

According to this CNBC story which quotes a study by economists at the University of California Berkeley, Paris School of Economics and Oxford University, $110,000 per year gets you into the top 10%.

Very comfortable, indeed.

CNBC: Richest 1% earn biggest share since Roaring ’20s

187 Ming  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:29:55pm

re: #4 Pie-onist Overlord

Conservatives, in spite of complaining that ALL TEH UNEMPLOYMENT IS OBAMAS FAULT!!!!! actually require a large population of unemployed people who will accept low pay out of desperation.

They also require (or prefer) a large population of employees who are stuck in the their current jobs, because they’re scared to death to lose their medical insurance, and then not be able to get new insurance due to a “pre-existing condition”.

188 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:30:23pm

re: #183 dog philosopher

it’s clear obama will lose in 2012 because of obamacare

The 2012 election will be a referendum on Obamacare, which is why the President simply can’t win reelection due to how much Americans hate the law. Romney’s gonna win on Election Day and repeal the law on Day One.

189 blueraven  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:30:27pm

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A stable, good-paying job is the best bridge out of poverty.

Which is why we oppose an increase to the minimum wage?

Speaking of bridges…build them, repair them. Create some jobs to rebuild America instead of blaming the victims.
Building stable bridges, roads, schools and all aging infrastructure is one of the best ways to provide jobs and alleviate some of the poverty.

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:30:31pm

nbcnews.com

A nice thing to do to make the invitation. I’m not sure that Boehner and his party would really like the event to take place given that Pope Francis might make a few statements about how a legislature should be looking out for *all* of the citizens.

191 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:31:00pm

An interesting twist in the movie theatre-texting shooting:

Documents released Thursday by prosecutors indicate that the shooter had used his own phone to send a text message to his son moments before the incident.

192 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:31:03pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

A democrat loses to a republican in a district held by republicans for decades.

THE WHOLE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS ON THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION!

193 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:31:47pm
194 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:31:59pm

re: #191 Dr. Matt

An interesting twist in the movie theatre-texting shooting:

Documents released Thursday by prosecutors indicate that the shooter had used his own phone to send a text message to his son moments before the incident.

So the guy who was so angry over texting in a movie theater, to the point he stalked a woman out of the theater and all the way to the bathroom, is a hypocrite?

Shocker.////

195 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:33:19pm

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

“If you wouldn’t support these candidates, what does that make YOU?”

Sane?

196 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:34:12pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

So the guy who was so angry over texting in a movie theater, to the point he stalked a woman out of the theater and all the way to the bathroom, is a hypocrite?

Shocker.////

Another case of: Do as I say, not as I do. I’m willing to bet the farm that all his TVs are regularly tuned to Fox News.

197 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:34:44pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Politico is pushing exactly the same right wing meme in their headline:

[Embedded image]

Yeah the Dems lost a seat held by a Republican for years in a low turn out election. Obamacare is doooooooooooooomed.

198 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:35:13pm

re: #192 Kragar

A democrat loses to a republican in a district held by republicans for decades.

THE WHOLE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS ON THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION!

A Democrat with a muddled message who also appeared to be a carpet bagger, loses to a poor GOP candidate, in a district held by GOPers for decades.

Takeaway?

PANIC!
Panic!!!

199 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:37:16pm

Obamacare is in such trouble that more people oppose repealing it today than ever but one low turn out election in FLA means everything because ACA is baaaaaaad.

200 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:37:24pm

re: #189 blueraven

Speaking of bridges…build them, repair them. Create some jobs to rebuild America instead of blaming the victims.
Building stable bridges, roads, schools and all aging infrastructure is one of the best ways to provide jobs and alleviate some of the poverty.

WPA 2014

201 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:37:58pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Yeah the Dems lost a seat held by a Republican for years in a low turn out election. Obamacare is doooooooooooooomed.

Yeah, low turnout but Jolly still wins by less than 5%, showing “disarray” and “panic” amongst Democrats.

202 S'latch  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:38:13pm

“A stable, good-paying job is the best bridge out of poverty.”

Paul Ryan entered Congress in 1999 with an average net worth of just $382,865 which came from his involvement in two investment partnerships and his family’s construction business.

By 2011, he was worth about $4.9 million.

Hard work? ? ?

Well, in 2000 he married a former congressional staffer turned Washington lobbyist who came from a wealthy family. And that year, the Ryan’s average net worth became $1.186 million.

By 2011, he was worth about $4.9 million.

“… amazing people fighting against great odds with impressive success …. We can learn so much from them.”

203 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:38:33pm

Wow, these people are so freaking crazy, it still amazes me. They’re just nuts.

204 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:39:19pm

re: #202 S’latch

“A stable, good-paying job is the best bridge out of poverty.”

Paul Ryan entered Congress in 1999 with an average net worth of just $382,865 which came from his involvement in two investment partnerships and his family’s construction business.

By 2011, he was worth about $4.9 million.

Hard work? ? ?

Well, in 2000 he married a former congressional staffer turned Washington lobbyist who came from a wealthy family. And that year, the Ryan’s average net worth became $1.186 million.

By 2011, he was worth about $4.9 million.

“… amazing people fighting against great odds with impressive success …. We can learn so much from them.”

Grifting is hard work.

205 Kragar  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:39:52pm

re: #198 lawhawk

A Democrat with a muddled message who also appeared to be a carpet bagger, loses to a poor GOP candidate, in a district held by GOPers for decades.

Takeaway?

PANIC!
Panic!!!

PANIC!

Youtube Video

206 S'latch  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:40:06pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Just being rich is hard work.

207 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:40:35pm

They honestly seem to believe they come off looking good when they say things like that, instead of as nasty, condescending, egomaniacal assholes. These truly are the most insufferable dudebros of all time.

208 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:44:00pm

Thanks for paging this, Charles. They really are becoming so transparent in what they really think about minorities and everyone not like them, and need to be called out on this over and over, ad infinitum.

209 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:47:39pm

Happened to a French journo today, also.

210 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:51:34pm

Things are not looking good. I imagine the Russians have plenty of provocateurs roaming about, in addition to detaining journos in Crimea.

Ukraine’s PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk at UN Security Council accuses Russia of carrying out a ‘military aggression’ which has ‘no reason and no grounds’ - @AP

end of alert

9m
1 killed in clashes between rival Ukrainian demonstrators in Donetsk, local health department says - @ReutersWorld

end of alert

Donetsk in the eastern part of Ukraine.

Kerry is meeting with Russian FM Lavrov tomorrow in London.

Kerry must be used to jet lag by now.

211 ObserverArt  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:53:16pm

GOPPOSITION PARTY

After reading some of today’s comments I felt like creating this little political poster like image.

212 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:54:12pm

Another good article about outrage
Why we’re addicted to online outrage

It’s notable that ongoing culture-war disputes are the particular habitué of elite media, white-collar job-havers who spend much of their day sitting in front of the outrage generator. We spend all day worrying about who are the real bad guys, and the real victims. Our ideological songs venture into ever higher falsettos, straining to sing our laments above the noise.

As a result, when a politician utters a barely outdated cliché, or the slightest impolitic word, we no longer hear it as a faux pas or mere insensitivity. Instead it becomes the latest menacing incarnation of the evil we oppose. Micro-aggression is no longer “micro” at all, but the very real appearance of Patriarchy, or Anti-clericalism, or whatever evil you most fear.
…this kind of hypermoralized politics has some serious implications for how we look at governance and power. As C.S. Lewis once wrote, “Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.” In other words, if we are simply doing good in the world, and our enemies evil, then there’s no limit to the power we ought to acquire. What a charming fantasy that can be.

Holiday is right to be concerned that our capacity for real outrage is dulled by the sort of “outrage” that we perform, or fake, or convince ourselves to feel in our self-regard. But we should consider the possibility that fake-outrage is popular precisely because it is an indulgence that requires so little from us.

213 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:55:22pm

re: #211 ObserverArt

GOPPOSITION PARTY

After reading some of today’s comments I felt like creating this little political poster like image.

Found this awhile back:

214 Weet  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:57:43pm
215 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:58:10pm

I can already sense the fumes of outrage emanating from this part…..

Another reason for our outrage addiction may be found in the way the norms of traditional liberalism are dissolving before a more moralized politics. In a perceptive 2001 essay for National Affairs, Thomas Powers argued that traditional liberalism sought “to lower the stakes of politics by removing contentious moral (and religious) opinion to the private sphere. Political life thereby becomes a less morally charged matter of presiding over competing ‘interest groups,’ whose squabbling is amenable to compromise.”

Powers went on to argue that when fundamental justice and morality are reintroduced into politics, and when the beliefs and attitudes of citizens become the potential subject of state action (through amelioration, re-education, or official stigma), people are more likely to fight — and to fight with dread in their eyes.

216 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 12:58:17pm

Considering how much of a struggle so many are having in the US, here’s some outrage for you.

Rich Recovery: Millionaire Count Hits All-Time High

nbcnews.com

“The number of millionaire households in the U.S. surged by 640,000, or 7 percent, to 9.63 million last year, according to a new study from Spectrem Group. That marks an all-time high for the number of millionaire households in America since Spectrem began tracking the data in 1997.

“It’s also the first time the millionaire population has exceeded the pre-crisis peak of 9.2 million households in 2007, showing that last year’s stock surge drove a corresponding growth in wealth for the rich.

“The number of households worth $5 million or more also surpassed its pre-crisis peak for the first time, rising by 100,000 to 1.24 million households. The number of households worth $25 million or more surged by 15,000, to 132,000 households.”

However, if you make $500K or less, you’re just SOL—you haven’t recovered yet. And for some of us, we’ll never recover—we’ll just have to get used to being down and out, I suppose.

217 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:00:33pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Another good article about outrage
Why we’re addicted to online outrage

The last article about outrage you posted wasn’t actually any good: as I pointed out at the time, it singled out a Salon article about how we respond differently to Muslim vs. Domestic Christian terrorism as part of the ‘outrage’ industry, when that article was nothing of the sort.

Posting something about ‘outrage’ in a thread about Paul Ryan’s contemptible, racist comments is masterfully tone-deaf, the kind of self-clowning you excel at.

218 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:05:47pm

The Thomas Powers article is interesting too. Unfortunately it’s a PDF but it’s an interesting read.
The Transformation of Liberalism

219 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:08:25pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

It’s also very incorrect—bafflingly so— to claim that the ‘culture war’ is the domain of the white-collar worker. I assume, since the writer of the article gives no actual support for this, that he derived this fact from the same place that you do, that being the rectum.

The more I study sociology, the more I find a pattern of declaration, of people in each age saying “Oh my god, people are now so outraged/impolite/changeable/incurious/lazy”. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the middle ages or now, you’ll find some hack declaring that we’re all getting outraged too easily, or that kids these days have disconnected values, or are less sociable. Rarely do these sages actually back their shit up with anything resembling data or even logical argument, instead they just wave their hands and declare their view to be true.

Not outrageous, but eye-rollingly trite.

220 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:08:27pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

So is running marathons and faking your finish time.

221 Lidane  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:09:48pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

It’s in PDF form because it’s from 2001 and has zero relevance in 2014.

Also, it’s a rehash of the same tired bullshit about how anti-discrimination policies are supposedly a “distraction” from “real” liberalism. It’s total horseshit.

222 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:12:10pm

re: #220 urbanmeemaw

So is running marathons and faking your finish time.

I still have no clue why he had to do that. I mean I don’t like the guy but his actual times were fine and nothing to scoff at.

223 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:13:05pm

Well it’s been years but I finally did change my avatar. Not to be one of those people but.

224 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:14:04pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Well it’s been years but I finally did change my avatar. Not to be one of those people but.

Best. Birthday. Photo. Ever.

225 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:16:54pm

nbcnews.com

Awful MSNBC article on a recent fossil find. It mentions in one sentence how the area the fossil was found in was much warmer during the Cretaceous, but otherwise the multiple Arctic references and that it was named “polar bear lizard” sort of miss the point.

Also, if I recall correctly a “pygmy” species generally evolves as a result of isolation and a limited living area, not living in cooler temperatures. Plus, it’s a T-rex “relative” and that entire family were not all massive predators.

en.wikipedia.org

226 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:17:03pm

re: #221 Lidane

It’s in PDF form because it’s from 2001 and has zero relevance in 2014.

Also, it’s a rehash of the same tired bullshit about how anti-discrimination policies are supposedly a “distraction” from “real” liberalism. It’s total horseshit.

it was originally printed on paper and converted digitally. Obsolete? Maybe. I’m still reading it.

227 ObserverArt  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:19:41pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Well it’s been years but I finally did change my avatar. Not to be one of those people but.

Cute image. Welcome to the world.

228 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:19:54pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

Best. Birthday. Photo. Ever.

Love how she already has attitude and isn’t even 18 hours old yet. It was a touching night though. There was a little three year old boy in the waiting room and I couldn’t help but to think of myself being that same age waiting to meet my brother who is the father of this one. It’s humbling.

229 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:20:30pm

re: #227 ObserverArt

Cute image. Welcome to the world.

Thanks. One proud uncle here.

230 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:21:43pm

re: #219 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s also very incorrect—bafflingly so— to claim that the ‘culture war’ is the domain of the white-collar worker. I assume, since the writer of the article gives no actual support for this, that he derived this fact from the same place that you do, that being the rectum.

The more I study sociology, the more I find a pattern of declaration, of people in each age saying “Oh my god, people are now so outraged/impolite/changeable/incurious/lazy”. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the middle ages or now, you’ll find some hack declaring that we’re all getting outraged too easily, or that kids these days have disconnected values, or are less sociable. Rarely do these sages actually back their shit up with anything resembling data or even logical argument, instead they just wave their hands and declare their view to be true.

Not outrageous, but eye-rollingly trite.

I gave a short speech at one of my fraternity’s annual meetings once around 2001 or so. The speech topic was “The More Things Change, The More They Stay the Same”. I opened with a two paragraph description by a citizen of a university town complaining that all the students did was drink, act rowdy, and be insulting to their elders. Then I revealed that the quote was from a 13th century manuscript and that the writer was complaining about the students at Oxford.

231 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:23:51pm

re: #230 Feline Fearless Leader

I gave a short speech at one of my fraternity’s annual meetings once around 2001 or so. The speech topic was “The More Things Change, The More They Stay the Same”. I opened with a two paragraph description by a citizen of a university town complaining that all the students did was drink, act rowdy, and be insulting to their elders. Then I revealed that the quote was from a 13th century manuscript and that the writer was complaining about the students at Oxford.

It’s like how all older generations complain about younger ones. They don’t appreciate nothin! I believe Marty made a sim observation in True Detective much to his then father in law’s chagrin.

232 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:29:22pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

It’s like how all older generations complain about younger ones. They don’t appreciate nothin! I believe Marty made a sim observation in True Detective much to his then father in law’s chagrin.

People complaining about ‘outrage’ stuff now appear to have paid no attention to the 20th century as a whole, the screaming headlines declaring outrage at blacks being allowed to go to school, outrage at the sinking of the Maine, outrage at communist inflitration of the State Department.

But really, they just have no clear argument. Obviously, some things get picked up on and bandied about as outrageous that really aren’t. There are also a shitload of things that are legitimately outrageous, both in speech and deed, like the partial repeal of the VRA, the hundreds of odious comments about rape and abortion by the GOP, and Ryan’s whistling racism pointed out in this essay.

“Sometimes people make too much of something!” Wow, thanks for that observation, you master of human psychology.

233 Ming  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:30:53pm

re: #169 jaunte

It’s disgraceful that more Democratic politicians can’t think of anything to say about Obamacare. Health care delivery is an extremely complex topic (and why not, considering its importance) and the current political discourse doesn’t even come close to addressing the important issues.

I don’t even know how I feel about general questions like government single-payer versus private insurance, and even I can defend the ACA as giving people more choices, bringing more people into the system, all thanks to insurance regulations that seem very reasonable to me. In my opinion, if we’re going to stay with our private insurance system, the ACA is a great way to handle that.

Democrats need to break out of their fear and say SOMETHING about the ACA. Tell us what you like about it, tell us what you think needs improvement, but say SOMETHING. At least the Republicans can open their mouths and talk about this topic, as crazy as they are.

234 Lidane  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:31:32pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Gee. I can’t imagine why you’d link to an outdated, irrelevant article where the author’s main point is that groups of people (African-Americans, LGBT, women, etc.) standing up for themselves and their rights are a distraction from “real” liberalism.

235 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:32:26pm

re: #233 Ming

There are Democrats saying stuff about the ACA, and defending it, but they don’t get reported on too much because the media loves the story of the Democrats defying Obama or running away from him.

However, you are also absolutely right that there are far too many Democrats who are doing just that on the ACA.

236 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:33:11pm

re: #232 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

People complaining about ‘outrage’ stuff now appear to have paid no attention to the 20th century as a whole, the screaming headlines declaring outrage at blacks being allowed to go to school, outrage at the sinking of the Maine, outrage at communist inflitration of the State Department.

But really, they just have no clear argument. Obviously, some things get picked up on and bandied about as outrageous that really aren’t. There are also a shitload of things that are legitimately outrageous, both in speech and deed, like the partial repeal of the VRA, the hundreds of odious comments about rape and abortion by the GOP, and Ryan’s whistling racism pointed out in this essay.

“Sometimes people make too much of something!” Wow, thanks for that observation, you master of human psychology.

Right, and this isn’t some outrageous outrage. This is a former Vice Presidential and current aspirant for president using a white nationalist’s research to justify his crap. He’s apologizing because he got called out on it not because of real guilt for source. Ryan’s been around. He knows who Murray is and what he believes. His crime isn’t stupidity. It’s bigotry.

237 sagehen  Thu, Mar 13, 2014 1:44:57pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

But you can be sure that if the Dem has won what was a very tight race, they’d be making excuses for why it’s not a bellwether and how all their predictions about it being a “referendum on Obamacare” don’t mean that the public suddenly supports the law.

It was a very tight race, neither candidate mentioned Obamacare in any of their ads, and it’s been a Republican district for decades.


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