Is the XKeyScore Code Released in Germany Faked?

Expert analysis uncovers serious misrepresentations and possible fakery

Following up on our post about the wildly exaggerated claims made about the purported XKeyScore source code released in Germany this week by hacker Jacob Applebaum, here’s a very interesting post by cybersecurity expert Robert Graham with evidence that the code may have been at least partly faked: Errata Security: Validating XKeyScore Code.

The burning questions about the XKeyScore “source code” is whether it’s real, and whether it come from Snowden. The Grugq (@thegrugq) has some smart insight into this, and I have my own expertise with deep-packet-inspection code. I thought I’d write up our expert analysis to the questions.

TL;DR: we believe the code partly fake and that it came from the Snowden treasure trove.

A slightly longer summary is:

  1. The signatures are old (2011 to 2012), so it fits within the Snowden timeframe, and is unlikely to be a recent leak.
  2. The code is weird, as if they are snippets combined from training manuals rather than operational code. That would mean it is "fake".
  3. The story makes claims about the source that are verifiably false, leading us to believe that they may have falsified the origin of this source code.
  4. The code is so domain specific that it probably is, in some fashion, related to real XKeyScore code - if fake, it's not completely so.

Here’s a point that jumped out at me immediately upon looking at the code: all over the Internet, people are claiming that the code identifies linuxjournal.com as an “exremist forum” — but that’s simply false. As I tweeted two days ago:

Graham’s post agrees with this evaluation:

Another misrepresentation in the story is that the source calls the Linux Journal an extremist forum. That’s not true.

A comment does say that TAILS is “a comsec mechanism advocated by extremists on extremist forums”. This is true, as the picture (from the Grugq) demonstrates on the right: it’s a picture from an ISIS/jihad forum advocating the use of TAILS. But nowhere does it claim that the Linux Journal is one of those extremists — that’s something willfully made up by the authors of the story.

That the story already misrepresents the meaning of this source code hints that it may already be misrepresenting the provenance.

Exactly. Something smells very fishy here. Read the whole thing. And for those interested in the highly technical details, here’s Graham’s post going through the code line by line.

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100 comments

1 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 2:55:11pm

For those interested in the highly technical details, here’s Graham’s post going through the code line by line:

blog.erratasec.com

2 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 3:04:57pm

Well, now, you totally lost me with the techy stuff.

But as I commented on an earlier thread, the words “extremists on extremist forums” stopped me from believing any of it would apply to ordinary users, in which the NSA would probably have no interest whatsoever.

So, the 16 yr old Dudebros™ can rest easy as they’re more than likely not being followed.

Why would they be, unless they were following the protocol of the “extremists on extremist forums” and using their comsec?

3 Decatur Deb  Jul 5, 2014 3:06:40pm

re: #2 Justanotherhuman

Well, now, you totally lost me with the techy stuff.

But as I commented on an earlier thread, the words “extremists on extremist forums” stopped me from believing any of it would apply to ordinary users, in which the NSA would probably have no interest whatsoever.

So, the 16 yr old DudebrosTM can rest easy as they’re more than likely not being followed.

Why would they be, unless they were following the protocol of the “extremists on extremist forums” and using their comsec?

Girls Gone Jihad.

4 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 3:20:51pm

The hell you say.

Lifeguards give swimmers at California’s Manhattan Beach the okay to return to water after attack by great white shark - @CBSLA
End of alert

latimes.com

5 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2014 3:24:04pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

The hell you say.

Lifeguards give swimmers at California’s Manhattan Beach the okay to return to water after attack by great white shark - @CBSLA
End of alert

latimes.com

I got bit by a bluegill once…. it sort of stung a little. Does that count?

RBS

6 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2014 3:24:24pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

The hell you say.

Lifeguards give swimmers at California’s Manhattan Beach the okay to return to water after attack by great white shark - @CBSLA
End of alert

latimes.com

Did they learn nothing from Jaws?

7 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 3:28:07pm

The Dutch diving team are in rare form today. :p

8 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 3:30:16pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

The hell you say.

Lifeguards give swimmers at California’s Manhattan Beach the okay to return to water after attack by great white shark - @CBSLA
End of alert

latimes.com

Hey, he was hooked, so kinda pissed.

9 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 3:30:52pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

It turns out this shark was actually caught on a fishing line (which is illegal, by the way), and had been battling to get free for about 30 minutes. The swimmer was really in the wrong place at the wrong time, and encountered this hugely pissed off shark.

The fisherman cut the line when he saw the swimmer get bitten, and the shark immediately swam out to sea.

10 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2014 3:33:31pm

re: #6 b_sharp

Did they learn nothing from Jaws?

That movie scared me about going in the water, and I was living in the middle of Kansas at the time. :) The fact that the shark kept breaking meant that it wasn’t in nearly as many shots as Lucas had originally planned. I think it made it MUCH more effective, just a hint, a shadow, let your mind fill in the blanks. The first shot where you really see it (IIRC) is the one off the back of the boat. I recall everybody in the theater going back in their seats.
Youtube Video

11 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 3:35:29pm

re: #6 b_sharp

Did they learn nothing from Jaws?

I’ve been on beaches in CA, FL, NC and SC. I never felt very clean afterwards; don’t find being in the ocean very pleasant. But I love walking on the beaches before sunrise and after sunset. Not barefoot, though. Love the salty air and can smell it from 30 mi away; hate the salty water. I always wanted to take a long ocean voyage. Go figure.

12 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 3:36:08pm

Netherlands and Costa Rica going to penalty kicks.

13 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 3:37:01pm

re: #11 Justanotherhuman

I’ve been on beaches in CA, FL, NC and SC. I never felt very clean afterwards; don’t find being in the ocean very pleasant. But I love walking on the beaches before sunrise and after sunset. Not barefoot, though. Love the salty air and can smell it from 30 mi away; hate the salty water. I always wanted to take a long ocean voyage. Go figure.

I don’t go to the ocean to swim either. Like walking on beaches in shallow surf (ankle to knee depth).

14 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 3:38:09pm

re: #2 Justanotherhuman

So, the 16 yr old DudebrosTM can rest easy as they’re more than likely not being followed.

Why would they be, unless they were following the protocol of the “extremists on extremist forums” and using their comsec?

You do understand that, although Tails may be advocated by some extremists on some extremist forums, along with other mainstream privacy tools like PGP, etc., it is not “the protocol of the “extremists on extremist forums”, that is, it is not in any way extremist by itself, right?

15 ninja cat  Jul 5, 2014 3:38:38pm

Navas for CR has been incredible. Let’s see if he can do it again in PK’s. Vamos Ticos!

16 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 3:39:00pm

I’ve lived in San Diego for 20 years. The Pacific ocean is not ideal (hahaha - it’s freezing) for swimming. That’s the most I miss of Florida. And the fish, the beautiful, white, light, succulent East Coast fish.

17 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 3:44:12pm

I met this lizard yesterday.

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 3:45:06pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

[Embedded image]

I met this lizard yesterday.

What kind of bike does he ride?

19 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 3:45:49pm

We were walking, or, as I like to call it, cross-training.

20 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 3:45:51pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

What did the Lizard say to the lizard?

21 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 3:46:09pm

Lolwut:

22 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2014 3:46:20pm

re: #18 Feline Fearless Leader

What kind of bike does he ride?

I’m sure he rides an Iguana

23 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 3:47:30pm

Netherlands wins!

24 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 3:47:47pm

Trophies from the liberated Slavyansk:

25 AntonSirius  Jul 5, 2014 3:48:26pm

re: #7 Lidane

The Dutch diving team are in rare form today. :p

FIFA needs to start giving yellow cards after the match for blatant dives, even if the ref misses it.

Robben would only end up playing two-thirds of their matches.

26 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 3:48:48pm

So sorry Costa Rica…

27 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 3:49:01pm
28 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 3:49:03pm

re: #20 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What did the Lizard say to the lizard?

o, hai!

29 Killgore Trout  Jul 5, 2014 3:49:21pm

Google cuts some European media search links, prompting censorship fears

Google’s removal of search results in Europe is drawing accusations of press censorship, as stories from some of the continent’s most prominent news outlets vanishes. The search engine giant said Thursday it is getting 1,000 requests a day to scrub results.

Google must comply with a May ruling from the European Union’s top court that enables citizens to ask for the removal of embarrassing personal information that pops up on a search of their names. Among links to vanish were stories on a soccer referee who resigned after a scandal in 2010, French office workers making post-it art, a couple having sex on a train and a lawyer facing a fraud trial.

30 bubba zanetti  Jul 5, 2014 3:49:24pm

re: #22 RealityBasedSteve

I’m sure he rides an Iguana

But he wants a Moots (serious bike nerd trivia required).

31 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 3:50:11pm

Bunch of orange diving assholes. Screw the Dutch. Imma root for Argentina to pound them into the ground.

32 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 3:50:44pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

o, hai!

[Embedded image]

You got his BLUE!!!!

33 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 3:51:08pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

The one on the right is probably not a mere show off//

34 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 3:51:37pm

re: #33 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The one on the right is probably not a mere show off//

That is the difference!

35 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 3:52:19pm

re: #30 bubba zanetti

But he wants a Moots (serious bike nerd trivia required).

Every lizard wants a Moots.

36 nsmith25  Jul 5, 2014 3:52:31pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

BEWBS?////

37 AntonSirius  Jul 5, 2014 3:52:39pm

re: #31 Lidane

Bunch of orange diving assholes. Screw the Dutch. Imma root for Argentina to pound them into the ground.

The worst was the shot on the sidelines of the Dutch coaches laughing at and mocking Navas for faking it after he’d been smacked in the face going up for a ball. Talk about the pot calling the kettle orange.

38 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 3:55:06pm

re: #37 AntonSirius

The worst was the shot on the sidelines of the Dutch coaches laughing at and mocking Navas for faking it after he’d been smacked in the face going up for a ball. Talk about the pot calling the kettle orange.

It’s basically up to Messi to save us all from these assholes getting a chance at the Cup. I’m hoping he can pull it off.

39 AntonSirius  Jul 5, 2014 3:56:41pm

re: #38 Lidane

It’s basically up to Messi to save us all from these assholes getting a chance at the Cup. I’m hoping he can pull it off.

As far as I’m concerned, Messi will not only be saving us from the Dutch, he’ll also be redeeming his own country from the taint of Maradona. But I have a long memory when it comes to sports transgressions.

40 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 3:57:59pm

I’ve been all over the Russian national-patriotic blogs today. For the most part the desperation, the brooding and sometimes even open hatred of Putin are palpable. The others are pro-Putin loyalists and are trying to spin the facts in his favor, going so far as to put down the separatists and even the beloved “hero” Strelkov-Girkin. Curious things are happening and that’s just the beginning.

41 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 3:59:35pm

re: #36 nsmith25

eh?

42 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 4:00:55pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

eh?

I’m slow.

43 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 4:01:01pm
44 BongCrodny  Jul 5, 2014 4:01:33pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Here is a “find the differences” puzzle

Well, see, first of all, that’s a Good Ol’TM American Bible, written under God’s watchful eye by his true prophets, the founding fathers of the United States of the U.S.A.

Next question?

45 darthstar  Jul 5, 2014 4:02:51pm

One of their readers contributed a piece admitting she’s an extremist.

46 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:02:58pm

re: #44 BongCrodny

Here is a “find the differences” puzzle

Well, see, first of all, that’s a Good Ol’TM American Bible, written under God’s watchful eye by his true prophets, the founding fathers of the United States of the U.S.A.

Next question?

If KJV was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me.

48 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:05:43pm

re: #45 darthstar

One would think that linuxoids, of all people, would be able to interpret a rather simple piece of code, not to mention plain English comments, and thus would not repeat obvious misinformation. Apparently, one would be wrong.

49 Killgore Trout  Jul 5, 2014 4:05:54pm

re: #40 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’ve been all over the Russian national-patriotic blogs today. For the most part the desperation, the brooding and sometimes even open hatred of Putin are palpable. The others are pro-Putin loyalists and are trying to spin the facts in his favor, going so far as to put down the separatists and even the beloved “hero” Strelkov-Girkin. Curious things are happening and that’s just the beginning.

I had the impression Putin was fairly popular. I don’t suppose there’s reliable polling data.

50 nsmith25  Jul 5, 2014 4:07:23pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

I’m slow.

Trying to think like an immature 14 year old.

51 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:07:33pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

I had the impression Putin was fairly popular.

The point of the comment was exactly that things may be about to change.

52 Killgore Trout  Jul 5, 2014 4:09:35pm

I’m sure one of these would get you some extra security screening in most airports

ISIS allegedly issues ‘caliphate’ passport

Militant members and sympathizers of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) have circulated pictures of what they said was the passport of the so-called “caliphate” declared last week by the militant group.

The “State of the Islamic Caliphate” appears to be inscribed at the top of the purported passport. At the bottom, it says: “The holder of the passport if harmed we will deploy armies for his service.”

53 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:09:54pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

In pictures: Isis destroys Iraq shrines

No…. I recall the Taliban destroying the old Buddhas of Bamiyan

This kind of thing makes the heart just cry. So petty and small minded. Some great Caliphate these guys wanna have. What good could possibly come of anything born in that destructive mindset?

54 blueraven  Jul 5, 2014 4:10:53pm

re: #40 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’ve been all over the Russian national-patriotic blogs today. For the most part the desperation, the brooding and sometimes even open hatred of Putin are palpable. The others are pro-Putin loyalists and are trying to spin the facts in his favor, going so far as to put down the separatists and even the beloved “hero” Strelkov-Girkin. Curious things are happening and that’s just the beginning.

Spin what facts in Putin’s favor? I am not up on the latest events there. Do you know of any English speaking sites with decent coverage?

55 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2014 4:10:57pm

re: #51 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The point of the comment was exactly that things may be about to change.

This Col. Strelkov chap said today that his troops “had lost the will to fight” and essentially pleaded for Putin to send in the Russian Army.

Putin is in a quandry; if he acts against Ukraine decisively, he alienates the Western world. If he doesn’t act, he alienates the Novorossiya types, who may well turn on him, as you pointed out.

56 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 4:11:06pm

Hai KT!!! We’ve missed your terror porn. Welcome back.

57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:12:28pm

re: #54 blueraven

Putin failed to send in his troops to help the separatists. Slavyansk and Kramatorsk have been liberated today (etc.). In the minds of many of his former admirers Poo is now a traitor.

58 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 4:13:07pm

re: #14 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You do understand that, although Tails may be advocated by some extremists on some extremist forums, along with other mainstream privacy tools like PGP, etc., it is not “the protocol of the “extremists on extremist forums”, that is, it is not in any way extremist by itself, right?

Well, sure. But I suppose it also depends on what their communications security actually is. Tails forces all connections to go through the Tor network. BTW, numerous security holes in Tails 1.0.

tails.boum.org

59 Killgore Trout  Jul 5, 2014 4:13:38pm

re: #53 Rightwingconspirator

No…. I recall the Taliban destroying the old Buddhas of Bamiyan

This kind of thing makes the heart just cry. So petty and small minded. Some great Caliphate these guys wanna have.

The libraries of Timbuktu as well. The loss of history is bad enough but the shrine destruction is going to piss off the Iranians. Expect increased involvement from them. I haven’t been following too closely lately but it looks like Maliki might be staying and not reforming. I have no clue what the US is going to do.

60 blueraven  Jul 5, 2014 4:15:47pm

re: #57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Putin failed to send in his troops to help the separatists. Slavyansk and Kramatorsk have been liberated today (etc.). In the mind of many of his former admirers Poo is now a traitor.

Oh hell, that’s pretty major.
Now at least I can do some google searchin to read a little more.

Thanks!

61 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:16:55pm

re: #60 blueraven

Strelkov’s next stop is Donetsk. And now it’s probably about to get messy. Tho I hope not.

62 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 4:17:11pm

re: #56 Stanley Sea

I haz noo avatar

63 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 4:18:21pm

re: #57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Putin failed to send in his troops to help the separatists. Slavyansk and Kramatorsk have been liberated today (etc.). In the minds of many of his former admirers Poo is now a traitor.

They trusted him. ha.

64 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 4:19:21pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

He has blue shields. (wanna call em flakes, but no)

65 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:20:06pm

3 months ago they claimed that his name is now forever written into history.

Now they call him a “bitch”.

66 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 4:23:42pm

Tails Hackfest, today (over by now) and tomorrow. Dudebros!™

tails.boum.org

“Join us on July 5-6 in Paris, to make online anonymity and digital privacy usable by the masses! Whether you’re a writer, a software developer, a designer, a system administrator or just plain interested, come learn about the challenges faced by Tails, and how you can be part of the solution.”

67 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 4:24:39pm

re: #64 Stanley Sea

He has blue shields. (wanna call em flakes, but no)

The scales look like shields. I think it’s a she, though. I think that big belly is not fat.

68 blueraven  Jul 5, 2014 4:27:12pm

re: #65 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

3 months ago they claimed that his name is now forever written into history.

Now they call him a “bitch”.

Is he getting pressure from other politicians/business to calm things down in Ukraine?

69 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:27:59pm

re: #68 blueraven

Is he getting pressure from other politicians/business to calm things down in Ukraine?

Could be. But mainly from Europe and the US.

70 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 4:28:52pm

Police evacuate half-mile radius around plant in Columbus, Ohio, due to chemical leak - @10TV
Read more on bigstory.ap.org

71 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:29:30pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

I’m so reminded of the horned toads and blue bellys that were common in Woodland Hills near Pierce College where I grew up.

72 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:31:28pm

The economic situation is bad enough, with Crimea now devouring quite a lot of resources. Consider this:

bloombergview.com

Russia’s finance minister has blurted out the truth about how Russia, faced with low economic growth and all but cut off from external financing, is funding the annexation of Crimea and the peninsula’s many emergencies: with $7.2 billion confiscated from Russians’ pensions.

Putin can’t afford a new military adventure only to grab small bits and pieces of two poor regions.

73 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 4:32:53pm

re: #72 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The economic situation is bad enough, with Crimea now devouring quite a lot of resources. Consider this:

bloombergview.com

Putin can’t afford a new military adventure only to grab two partial poor regions.

Well, damn, haven’t the oligarchs sewn up everything and robbed the country blind already?

74 Killgore Trout  Jul 5, 2014 4:34:02pm

Super PAC to Get Rid of Super PACs Raises $5M

In a true act of creative destruction, Harvard Law professor Lawrence Lessig started a Super PAC with the express goal of eliminating corporate money in politics — namely, by getting rid of Super PACs. (He’s well aware of the irony.) Today, mayday.us reached its second milestone: a crowdfunding campaign raised over $5 million in less than a month.

75 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 4:34:10pm

re: #65 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

3 months ago they claimed that his name is now forever written into history.

Now they call him a “bitch”.

Putiefail

76 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 4:34:57pm

re: #71 Rightwingconspirator

I’m so reminded of the horned toads and blue bellys that were common in Woodland Hills near Pierce College where I grew up.

I think I just ID’d it as a Clark’s Spiny Lizard.

77 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2014 4:35:17pm

re: #72 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The economic situation is bad enough, with Crimea now devouring quite a lot of resources. Consider this:

bloombergview.com

Russia’s finance minister has blurted out the truth about how Russia, faced with low economic growth and all but cut off from external financing, is funding the annexation of Crimea and the peninsula’s many emergencies: with $7.2 billion confiscated from Russians’ pensions.

Putin can’t afford a new military adventure only to grab two partial poor regions.

Basically, Russia, despite its projection to the contrary, is a broke-ass country trying to play superpower. If Russia could be personified as an automobile, it would be a Lada with chrome-plastic spinning rims and a vanity license plate that reads “PO BOY”.

78 Decatur Deb  Jul 5, 2014 4:36:06pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

I think I just ID’d it as a Clark’s Spiny Lizard.

Then give it back to Clark and get your own spiny lizard.
(Filling in for Sattv.)

79 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 4:36:23pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Super PAC to Get Rid of Super PACs Raises $5M

One of my sisters posted their appeal on FB. I followed the link and found almost zero content other than ‘send us money’.

80 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 4:37:21pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Then give it back to Clark and get your own spiny lizard. (Filling in for Sattv.)

And a fine job you’re doing at it! Now go upding KT.

81 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 4:38:05pm

Evening Lizardim.

82 Decatur Deb  Jul 5, 2014 4:38:27pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

And a fine job you’re doing at it! Now go upding KT.

Often do. “Let a hundred flowers derp.”

83 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 4:39:25pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

And a fine job you’re doing at it! Now go upding KT.

heh.

84 Killgore Trout  Jul 5, 2014 4:40:40pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

One of my sisters posted their appeal on FB. I followed the link and found almost zero content other than ‘send us money’.

It might be legit but it’s never going to happen…

Their next goal: raise $12 million by the November midterms. The ultimate goal: to elect “a Congress committed to fundamental reform by 2016.”

85 Decatur Deb  Jul 5, 2014 4:42:48pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It might be legit but it’s never going to happen…

It’s a rational timeframe for a start. They need to post some very trustworthy purseholders.

86 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:44:12pm

Where the Russian national-patriots are correct - and many are saying it openly - is that nothing would have happened In Luganskaya and Donetskaya oblasts if not for Putin’s wink-wink-nudge-nudge act, which falsely emboldened the separatists. Some Western fellow travelers and useful idiots try to invent excuses, like, “Putin can’t be blamed, the people of South-Eastern Ukraine rose up on their own”, etc. - but the Russian n-p’s are having a “straight talk” moment right now.

87 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 4:44:48pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It might be legit but it’s never going to happen…

If it’s like the first two goals, they say, ‘If we don’t reach the goal, we don’t take your money’, and it’s retroactive to the previous goals. That’s hanging it all out there.

And they’re going to start with 5 candidates who meet their criteria, ‘and see what we learn from that’.

Pffff.

I will give any excess funds to Rocky Lara. She’s aiming to take out a teabagger who favors personhood and burning fossil fuels.

88 Decatur Deb  Jul 5, 2014 4:46:15pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

If it’s like the first two goals, they say, ‘If we don’t reach the goal, we don’t take your money’, and it’s retroactive to the previous goals. That’s hanging it all out there.

And they’re going to start with 5 candidates who meet their criteria, ‘and see what we learn from that’.

Pffff.

I will give any excess funds to Rocky Lara. She’s aiming to take out a teabagger who favors personhood and burning fossil fuels.

Is she plausible?

89 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2014 4:49:24pm

re: #86 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Where the Russian national-patriots are correct - and many are saying it openly - is that nothing would have happened In Luganskaya and Donetskaya oblasts if not for Putin’s wink-wink-nudge-nudge act, which falsely emboldened the separatists. Some Western fellow travelers and useful idiots try to invent excuses, like, “Putin can’t be blamed, the people of South-Eastern Ukraine rose up on their own”, etc. - but the Russian n-p’s are having a “straight talk” moment right now.

Very interesting; the Russian NP’s are starting to turn on Putin, and their analysis is actually quite correct. Putin encouraged this foolishness, and now it’s blowing up in his face.

On top of that, it puts the kibosh on their Novorossiya idea, for the time being at least.

90 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 4:49:35pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Is she plausible?

I think so, and the Party is throwing her some support. She’s a local pol, county commissioner I think, from the Carlsbad area.

91 The Dude Abides  Jul 5, 2014 5:00:47pm

re: #5 RealityBasedSteve

I got bit by a bluegill once…. it sort of stung a little. Does that count?

RBS

A moose once bit my sister.

92 The Dude Abides  Jul 5, 2014 5:09:32pm

re: #71 Rightwingconspirator

I’m so reminded of the horned toads and blue bellys that were common in Woodland Hills near Pierce College where I grew up.

I remember seeing horned toads, tarantula hawks, and actual tarantulas on Tarantula Hill just above my elementary school when I was a kid.

93 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 5:38:34pm

re: #92 The Dude Abides

Where is that? As in Thousand oaks? Almost neighbors.

94 BadExampleMan  Jul 5, 2014 6:43:57pm

re: #65 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

3 months ago they claimed that his name is now forever written into history.

Now they call him a “bitch”.

What’s Russian for “Tea Party”?

95 Jay in Oregon  Jul 6, 2014 10:56:26am

Boing Boing did essentially the same thing.

“If you read Boing Boing, the NSA considers you a target for deep surveillance” screamed the headline!

Why would they make such a claim? Well, apparently a Boing Boing author wrote an article about TAILS, and Boing Boing has published articles about Tor, therefore if you read ANY article ANYWHERE on Boing Boing, that makes you a terrorist. WTF.

96 Jay in Oregon  Jul 6, 2014 11:00:21am

re: #79 wrenchwench

One of my sisters posted their appeal on FB. I followed the link and found almost zero content other than ‘send us money’.

That sounds like so many Kickstarter drives. It’s the nature of crowdsourcing these days—most of them are appeals to emotion.

97 a7214418  Jul 9, 2014 12:59:31pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

And now he has proof that “NSA targets Tor users for being extremists” is a lie….IOERROR needs taking down a peg or two

blog.erratasec.com

98 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 1:01:16pm

re: #97 a7214418

Welcome, hatchling.

Come on up to the live thread.

99 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 1:09:47pm

re: #97 a7214418

And now he has proof that “NSA targets Tor users for being extremists” is a lie….IOERROR needs taking down a peg or two

blog.erratasec.com

The article you linked is pretty illogical. That a piece of code is contained in a PP presentation in no ways gives weight to suspicion that a similarly-looking piece of code is copied from some other presentation. It’s still a code. And the code that the blogger cites is also just code, that happened to be pasted in a presentation. The fact doesn’t establish its authenticity or lack thereof. The last sentence also doesn’t follow. What is being done is fingerprinting - whether of pictures or of something else. What this fingerprinting is being done for is another issue.

IOW, the blogger has a suspicion based on some pretty illogical premises, but in no way does he have a “proof”.

(This comment doesn’t touch upon the authenticity of the alleged code, only on the logic of the linked post.)

100 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 1:13:04pm

re: #97 a7214418

But thanks for the interesting bit about NYT’s complete incompetence in covering up the super-duper-classified bits. By simply removing the black rectangles one can see the name of the author, among other things. What a bunch of idiots ;)


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