Misleading AP Headline of the Day: “No Link to Russian Gov’t in Plane Downing”

Contradicted by the story
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A wave of WTFs went through Twitter this afternoon when the Associated Press tweeted this:

Because of course, the BUK surface-to-air missile was supplied by Russia, the people who used it had to have been trained by Russia, and Russia’s links to the separatists are very well known and thoroughly documented.

A few minutes later the actual AP story was posted, and lo and behold… the headline didn’t tell the full story. In fact, it almost seems designed to mislead: US: No Link to Russian Gov’t in Plane Downing.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for “creating the conditions” that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement.

[…]

The plane was likely shot down by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, the intelligence officials said, citing intercepts, satellite photos and social media postings by separatists, some of which have been authenticated by U.S. experts.

But the officials said they did not know who fired the missile or whether any Russian operatives were present at the missile launch. They were not certain that the missile crew was trained in Russia, although they described a stepped-up campaign in recent weeks by Russia to arm and train the rebels, which they say has continued even after the downing of the commercial jetliner.

In terms of who fired the missile, “we don’t know a name, we don’t know a rank and we’re not even 100 percent sure of a nationality,” one official said, adding at another point, “There is not going to be a Perry Mason moment here.”

So what this really looks like is that some intelligence people were asked to give details about MH17, and carefully parsed their words to be as equivocal as possible. Basically, there’s no real news here at all — except the headline. And the headline is contradicted by the story.

But guess who jumped all over that headline within minutes?

Clearly, this is going to be a propaganda bonanza for the Kremlin.

UPDATE at 7/22/14 4:47:17 pm by Charles Johnson

The Associated Press has now changed the headline, presumably responding to criticisms like ours: US: Russia ‘Created the Conditions’ for Shoot-Down.

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249 comments
1 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 22, 2014 3:04:49pm

Right, so say I’ve got a neighbor who is really pissed at another. So I give this guy some money. I loan him a gun and i take him to the range to teach him not just how to shoot, but how to hunt down and shoot people.

Next thing ya know a murder happens, this guy goes gunning for someone and kills the guy standing next to him.

The police find all this out. Think I can just say “I’m not responsible” and use an un-named source to claim it for me?

Like I said before, Vladimir can hide the parts, steal all the evidence and plane parts he wants. But he can not un screw the virgin.

2 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 3:05:00pm

Makes one wonder what “direct Russian involvement” would look like if this ain’t that.

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2014 3:17:07pm

Dang it. When the hell did AP hire Jim Hoft?

4 De Kolta Chair  Jul 22, 2014 3:17:24pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Right, so say I’ve got a neighbor who is really pissed at another. So I give this guy some money. I loan him a gun and i take him to the range to teach him not just how to shoot, but how to hunt down and shoot people.

…

And before the cops arrive your neighbor brings all video evidence of the murder to your house, and you just happen to own Adobe After Effects.

5 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 3:19:14pm

The condensed version of the story posted by Huffpost is trimmed well enough to almost match the headline.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior U.S. intelligence officials say they have no evidence of direct Russian government involvement in the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

They say the passenger jet was likely felled by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine and that Russia “created the conditions” for the downing by arming the separatists.

The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week’s air disaster, which killed 298 people.

They said they didn’t know if any Russians were present at the missile launch, and they wouldn’t say that the missile crew was trained in Russia.

A senior official said the most likely explanation was the plane was shot down by mistake.

6 Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2014 3:19:15pm

OT, but I’m sitting here minding my own business when I feel something land on my left arm; I look down and a big ol’ skeeter - much bigger than the local variety - is there. I swatted it and killed it, but damn….I’ve never seen one that big here.

Large body; perhaps a tiger mosquito? I know they’ve been reported in Southern Europe, but I didn’t think they’d range up this far north.

Yeesh. Nasty-looking monster.

7 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 22, 2014 3:21:48pm

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

OT, but I’m sitting here minding my own business when I feel something land on my left arm; I look down and a big ol’ skeeter - much bigger than the local variety - is there. I swatted it and killed it, but damn….I’ve never seen one that big here.

Large body; perhaps a tiger mosquito? I know they’ve been reported in Southern Europe, but I didn’t think they’d range up this far north.

Yeesh. Nasty-looking monster.

Can you be sure it wasn’t an NSA drone?

8 Shazam  Jul 22, 2014 3:22:54pm

re: #2 allegro

Makes one wonder what “direct Russian involvement” would look like if this ain’t that.

Putin riding a horse and carrying a rocket launcher.

9 Justanotherhuman  Jul 22, 2014 3:23:39pm

So, now the definition of “direct” involvement is that Russia itself didn’t fire the missile, even if they supplied it?

WTF?

10 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 3:26:05pm

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

That’s the AP’s characterization, by the way - the intelligence officials didn’t use those words.

11 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 22, 2014 3:26:11pm

12 Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2014 3:26:18pm

re: #7 Iwouldprefernotto

Can you be sure it wasn’t an NSA drone?

Perhaps an Amazon delivery gone awry?

13 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 22, 2014 3:29:11pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

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I presume that stick has a polonium tip?

14 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 3:31:11pm

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The shot down “by mistake” story makes me crazy. It implies a kind of innocence. It was not an oops. They shot a plane down entirely deliberately. That’s what they were there to do. That it was the wrong plane just makes them highly trained fuck ups.

15 goddamnedfrank  Jul 22, 2014 3:34:27pm

In this case Russia is an accessory both before and after the fact. They supplied the weapon system responsible for the crime, and then helped hide it after the plane was shot down.

The Russian government and DNR have fulfilled every required element of a criminal conspiracy. They’re in agreement on the objective of annexing Ukrainian territory. The specific intent has been established - evidenced by Putin using the term “Novorossiya.” And the shootdown of multiple aircraft, including MH17 is an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. Russia has supplied armed personnel into the conflict zone, created this rebellion nearly out of whole cloth, and funded it. This is a mafia operation camouflaged as an insurgency.

16 lawhawk  Jul 22, 2014 3:34:55pm

The media sucks; the editors who let this nonsense go out suck; and all they’ve gone and done is hand Putin and Russia along with the separatists points that they never should have had.

Now, it will take days (or never) to debunk and unwind what damage the AP did here.

17 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 3:35:43pm

Was it posted by this Ken Dilanian?

Or this Ken Dilanian? [Ken Dilanian worked at the LA Times until last May.]

Who has the same avi as this person.

Person in avi.

Russian twitbots?

18 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 3:36:39pm

The only place online where Strelkov-Girkin writes personally is an antiquarian forum forum-antikvariat.ru

I’ve been looking through Girkin’s postings (he writes as “Kotych”), just because. Certainly, if there was anything incriminating there, it has been deleted (though I doubt he did write anything truly incriminating).

But one formulation caught my eye:

The situation with the plane, whose downing was the fault of the Ukrs (theirs - regardless of who really did it) has sharply decreased the perspectives of the Russian help [etc. etc. blah NATO executioners blah]

That doesn’t prove anything, but it did make me go hmm ;)

19 dog philosopher  Jul 22, 2014 3:37:37pm

(apropos of a completely different discussion)

August 28, 1996

CHICAGO - Sen. Bob Kerrey smells an odor coming from the Republican and Democratic stands on entitlements.

“It’s one of the cruelest things we do, when we say, Republicans or Democrats, `Oh, we can wait and reform Social Security later,’ ” the Nebraska Democrat said.

Mr. Kerrey says that without reform, entitlements will claim 100 percent of the Treasury in 2012.

“This is not caused by liberals, not caused by conservatives, but by a simple demographic fact,” Mr. Kerrey warned at a meeting of the Democratic Leadership Council.

“We [will have] converted the federal government into an ATM machine.”

20 Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2014 3:41:07pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

In this case Russia is an accessory both before and after the fact. They supplied the weapon system responsible for the crime, and then helped hide it after the plane was shot down.

The Russian government and DNR have fulfilled every required element of a criminal conspiracy. They’re in agreement on the objective of annexing Ukrainian territory. The specific intent has been established - evidenced by Putin using the term “Novorossiya.” And the shootdown of multiple aircraft, including MH17 is an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. Russia has supplied armed personnel into the conflict zone, created this rebellion nearly out of whole cloth, and funded it. This is a mafia operation camouflaged as an insurgency.

There’s an idea floating around DC to put the DNR on the list of terrorist organzations, which I personally think is a very good idea. This also opens the door to putting Russia itself on the list of State Sponsors of Terrorism, and that brings with it a whole host of exceedingly unpleasant financial consequences.

It’s been noted by others that owing to almost complete US hegemony over the international banking system, the US alone could all but cripple Russia’s economy - the Europeans don’t even have to worry about lifting a finger. If Russia ended up on the State Sponsors of Terrorism list, they could kiss their financial future goodbye, for all intents and purposes, and I doubt very highly that the EU’s banking system is going to look at Russian money with anything less than a highly jaundiced eye at that point.

The Europeans won’t want their banking system to become a target of US anti-terrorism laws.

21 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 3:42:20pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

Was it posted by this Ken Dilanian?

Or this Ken Dilanian? [Ken Dilanian worked at the LA Times until last May.]

Who has the same avi as this person.

Person in avi.

Russian twitbots?

22 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 3:42:39pm
23 freetoken  Jul 22, 2014 3:43:33pm

AP strikes again. Their headline writers have at times created doozies.

24 b.d.  Jul 22, 2014 3:44:38pm

[putin] Somebody must have stolen my car and crashed it into that convenience store while I was passed out drunk on my couch, I didn’t even know my car was missing. [/putin]

25 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 3:45:49pm

Interesting. Here’s the posting where Khmuryj (Gloomy) from SBU’s intercepts (about the Buks etc.) complains that his name was revealed to the Ukrainians by some traitors, apparently meaning the appearance of his real name in SBU’s clips, so he tells his real name (Sergey Petrovsky), thereby partially confirming the authenticity of the intercepts.

26 Justanotherhuman  Jul 22, 2014 3:48:41pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

That’s the AP’s characterization, by the way - the intelligence officials didn’t use those words.

Yah, and the AP headline, “US: NO LINK TO RUSSIAN GOV’T IN PLANE DOWNING” isn’t really factual, and the lede suggests otherwise: “Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for “creating the conditions” that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement.” I think the US govt is not going to make any kind of accusations against Russia that it can’t back up at this point, and to make a blanket statement that Russia fired the missile without any evidence is not something they would do, at any rate. But it’s pretty common knowledge everywhere that Russia has provided training and support for separatists and more than likely provided weaponry and equipment.

I suppose one could stretch credulity even further and speculate that the separatists bought their equipment and materiel from some black marketeer. Which really would be stretching it.

27 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 3:48:48pm

“Angst?”

28 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 3:50:18pm

“Angst” is anxiety or fear. How is that an appropriate response? He’s belittling the people criticizing the headline.

29 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 3:51:05pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

What an idiot. But then again, Ron Fournier used to work for AP too. Figures.

30 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 3:53:17pm

‘@benrhodes’ is a NASCAR guy.

31 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 3:54:03pm

lol

32 Kragar  Jul 22, 2014 3:55:53pm
33 Justanotherhuman  Jul 22, 2014 3:56:30pm

Heavy shelling reportedly picking up outside Gaza City - @RichardEngel
end of alert

34 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 3:57:54pm

re: #32 Kragar

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Judging by recent history, I’d say you’re too generous by an order of 10x.

35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:01:02pm

How did a person with reduced intelligence become an “intelligence reporter” for AP?

36 dog philosopher  Jul 22, 2014 4:01:20pm

re: #32 Kragar

next year?

what, do they have to wait until all drinking beer on the couch while watching sports on teevee seasons are over?

37 simoom  Jul 22, 2014 4:01:31pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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“Angst?”

Also, he clearly did say whether “there is or isn’t” a link. “No link to Russian gov’t in plane downing” was both his headline and his previous two tweets.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:02:00pm

re: #36 dog philosopher

next year?

what, do they have to wait until all drinking beer on the couch while watching sports on teevee seasons are over?

need to get those hoverrounds charged up.

39 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 4:02:24pm
40 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 4:02:26pm

re: #36 dog philosopher

next year?

what, do they have to wait until all drinking beer on the couch while watching sports on teevee seasons are over?

They gotta save up for some lawn chairs and a new cooler for beer.

41 simoom  Jul 22, 2014 4:02:40pm
42 dog philosopher  Jul 22, 2014 4:03:43pm

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

How did a person with reduced intelligence become an “intelligence reporter” for AP?

that’s the requirement

43 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 4:05:06pm

Batshit crazy wingnuts have a conspiracy theory that MH17 IS THE SAME AS MH370
*THROWS BURNING DESK OUT WINDOW*

44 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:06:23pm

re: #43 Pie-onist Overlord

The stars of David are a nice touch.

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 4:06:47pm

re: #44 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The stars of David are a nice touch.

She seems nice.

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 4:07:10pm

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

She seems nice.

Oh it’s a guy. My bad.

47 simoom  Jul 22, 2014 4:07:20pm

WSJ’s headline for the same background briefing:

U.S. Officials Lay Out Case Against Russians
Washington Seeks to Counter Russian Claims About MH17 Crash

WASHINGTON—U.S. intelligence officials presented their most detailed case yet Tuesday that Russian-backed Ukrainian separatists shot down a Malaysia Airlines jetliner last week, countering what American officials see as Russian efforts to muddy the waters with claims of Ukrainian culpability. U.S. intelligence officials presented both photographic and circumstantial evidence to back their view that a likely […]

48 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:08:30pm

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh it’s a guy. My bad.

OR IS HE???

*papapapam*

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:09:12pm

re: #43 Pie-onist Overlord

Batshit crazy wingnuts have a conspiracy theory that MH17 IS THE SAME AS MH370
*THROWS BURNING DESK OUT WINDOW*

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So, somehow “they” added an extra window closer to the door on MH 17?

50 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:09:27pm

If I were the AP chief, I would have fired Kenny.

51 simoom  Jul 22, 2014 4:09:57pm

Did AP update and drastically alter the headline? Follow the link on both of these:

Headline is now:
US: Russia ‘created the conditions’ for shoot-down

52 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 22, 2014 4:10:29pm

re: #32 Kragar

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Minuteman commander Jim Gilchrist will have to do without his former henchwoman Shawna Ford. She is on death row for killing a man and his 9 year old daughter in a home invasion that was apparently aimed at stealing drug money for the organization’s benefit.
Another of Gilchrist’s associates, co-founder Chris Simcox, is also unavailable. He is in jail awaiting trial on child molestation charges.

53 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:10:57pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, somehow “they” added an extra window closer to the door on MH 17?

Nuffin’ a good saw can’t do!

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:11:40pm

re: #53 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Nuffin’ a good saw can’t do!

Langoliers!!11!!!

55 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:12:48pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

Langoliers!!11!!!

Very orderly ones! Die deutschen Langoliers!

56 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 4:15:02pm

re: #43 Pie-onist Overlord

Batshit crazy wingnuts have a conspiracy theory that MH17 IS THE SAME AS MH370
*THROWS BURNING DESK OUT WINDOW*

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Well that would explain why the plane was full of already dead people when it was shot down…. right?
/

57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:15:39pm

re: #56 allegro

Well that would explain why the plane was full of already dead people when it was shot down…. right?
/

Still doesn’t explain why the corpses were bloodless.

58 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 4:16:18pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Minuteman commander Jim Gilchrist will have to do without his former henchwoman Shawna Ford. She is on death row for killing a man and his 9 year old daughter in a home invasion that was apparently aimed at stealing drug money for the organization’s benefit.
Another of Gilchrist’s associates, co-founder Chris Simcox, is also unavailable. He is in jail awaiting trial on child molestation charges.

J.T. Ready is likewise unavailable.

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:16:21pm

re: #57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Still doesn’t explain why the corpses were bloodless.

vampyres….

60 Romantic Heretic  Jul 22, 2014 4:16:31pm

re: #32 Kragar

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I’m thinking the people who actually came ashore at Normandy, and survived, would be very pissed at these nutballs belittling what they did.

61 simoom  Jul 22, 2014 4:17:11pm

Again, the same backgound briefing? Time’s take:

U.S. Officials Say They Tracked “Specific” Missile That Downed Malaysian Plane

U.S. intelligence resources tracked the “specific missile” that downed Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, a senior administration official said Tuesday, saying intelligence adds up to a picture that “implicates Russia” in helping to bring down the plane.

…

“We don’t know who literally was operating the system that day,” the official added. “But more generally what we have is a picture of evidence that says the Russians have been providing these arms, these types of systems and Russians have been providing training. That adds up to a picture that implicates Russia.”

62 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 4:18:04pm

re: #57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Still doesn’t explain why the corpses were bloodless.

VAMPIRES!!!!

63 Justanotherhuman  Jul 22, 2014 4:19:20pm
64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:19:54pm

In a fresh message (50 min. ago) Strelkov severely criticizes LNR’s leader Bolotov, calling him militarily incompetent and unwilling to work for a common cause. Heh.

65 Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2014 4:20:30pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Minuteman commander Jim Gilchrist will have to do without his former henchwoman Shawna Ford. She is on death row for killing a man and his 9 year old daughter in a home invasion that was apparently aimed at stealing drug money for the organization’s benefit.
Another of Gilchrist’s associates, co-founder Chris Simcox, is also unavailable. He is in jail awaiting trial on child molestation charges.

And Forde’s supporters are insisting

It is a crime to be a white, Christian, conservative woman who loves your country if you’re caught in drug smuggler-loving Pima County.

A biased jury, composed of a majority of jurors with Hispanic last names, chosen without following the recommendations of an excellent jury consultant, saw its duty and did it. The most frustrating part of this was that the Committee for Justice for Shawna Forde knew from the very beginning that “the fix was in,” and Pima County’s agenda was to railroad Shawna Forde to death row, yet despite all our efforts, the railroad continued unabated, and the desired political result was achieved. One of the early goals was achieved easily: to keep a Minuteman in jail for as long as possible.

In America, accused murderers like Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers and Black Panther Huey Newton, as well as O. J. Simpson, have been acquitted in cases where there was far more evidence of guilt than there was in the Shawna Forde case. Newton and Simpson are black. Ayers is white but hates America. Forde is white and loves America. That makes her a viable scapegoat in today’s politically correct atmosphere.

Good googly moogly. That’s from her website, Justice for Shawna Forde, which I will not directly link to, and that’s just from the front page.

Just….damn.

66 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 4:20:54pm

re: #57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Still doesn’t explain why the corpses were bloodless.

It was the aliens, silly. I mean how else to explain where the plane has been all this time? They finished blood sucking and anally probing the passengers then sent the plane back to be accidentally shot down by the not-Russian government. It’s obvious.

67 Romantic Heretic  Jul 22, 2014 4:21:03pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Minuteman commander Jim Gilchrist will have to do without his former henchwoman Shawna Ford. She is on death row for killing a man and his 9 year old daughter in a home invasion that was apparently aimed at stealing drug money for the organization’s benefit.
Another of Gilchrist’s associates, co-founder Chris Simcox, is also unavailable. He is in jail awaiting trial on child molestation charges.

What wonderful people the US has defending it! ///

68 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:21:37pm

re: #64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

A copy, just in case:

Про Болотова: не привык критиковать “за глаза”, но имею достоверные сведения о том, что данное лицо не только некомпетентно в качестве военного руководителя, но и совершенно не желает работать на общее дело. Собрал “под себя” кучу бронетехники и позволил окружить со всех сторон и отрезать нам пути снабжения. Для справки - у него столько танков и пушек, что нам, при таком количестве, хватило бы прочно удерживать фронт от Донецка до Лисичанска и не позволить украм столь быстро продвигаться.

69 Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2014 4:21:59pm

I get hungry for a meatball sandwich when I watch Langoliers.

70 simoom  Jul 22, 2014 4:22:28pm

re: #51 simoom

OK, looks like the headline was definitely changed. Dilanian’s latest tweet reflects the new take:

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:22:52pm

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

And Forde’s supporters are insisting

Good googly moogly. That’s from her website, Justice for Shawna Forde, which I will not directly link to, and that’s just from the front page.

Just….damn.

It’s a crazy world, Shawna…get used to it.

72 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:23:30pm

re: #68 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Because the other forum users are criticizing such bluntness, coz PR and stuff.

73 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 22, 2014 4:23:30pm

re: #69 Amory Blaine

I get hungry for a meatball sandwich when I watch Langoliers.

same thing watching critters.

74 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 22, 2014 4:23:37pm

re: #67 Romantic Heretic

What wonderful people the US has defending it! ///

An organization co-founded by a child molester going out to confront an “invasion” by…………….children?
I don’t know how much worse it can get but I have a bad feeling we are going to find out.

75 Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2014 4:23:42pm

So much for angst.

76 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 4:25:23pm
77 b.d.  Jul 22, 2014 4:25:24pm

re: #75 Amory Blaine

So much for angst.

I was angst but I ain’t angst no more.

78 b.d.  Jul 22, 2014 4:26:25pm

re: #76 Pie-onist Overlord

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Michelle Obama, the anti-Simon says.

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:27:54pm

re: #66 allegro

It was the aliens, silly. I mean how else to explain where the plane has been all this time? They finished blood sucking and anally probing the passengers then sent the plane back to be accidentally shot down by the not-Russian government. It’s obvious.

Actually, think more along the lines of the movie Millenium, based on the short story by John Varley.

80 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 4:29:05pm

re: #75 Amory Blaine

So much for angst.

I’m curing my angst with a peach daiquiri. Seems to have worked. %)

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 22, 2014 4:29:45pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, somehow “they” added an extra window closer to the door on MH 17?

That would also explain the plane being full of corpses!
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82 Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2014 4:30:07pm
83 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:31:37pm

84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:33:00pm

re: #82 Amory Blaine

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Perfect.

85 Kragar  Jul 22, 2014 4:34:00pm
86 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 4:34:32pm

re: #83 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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The space station is an Orthodox facility?

87 Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2014 4:35:05pm

re: #83 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Needs more Jesus.

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 4:35:40pm

ASSTARD:

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:35:41pm

yep…

90 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 4:37:15pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Some people just don’t get it, do they? It’s not about religious freedom. It’s about bad taste and kitsch.

91 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 4:38:32pm

re: #90 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Some people just don’t get it, do they? It’s not about religious freedom. It’s about bad taste and kitsch.

Kitsch in Space. Sounds like a chef show.

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:39:45pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

Kitsch in Space. Sounds like a chef show.

Needs mohr BBQ sauce…

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:40:54pm

Speaking of food, it’s that time of the year again. This is what I made this past weekend.
Might need more garlic in the next batch…

94 dog philosopher  Jul 22, 2014 4:41:15pm

re: #66 allegro

They finished blood sucking and anally probing the passengers

how come i never get to have any fun?

95 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 22, 2014 4:41:53pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

YUM

96 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 22, 2014 4:43:01pm

From Boneyard Safari.
This horrifying sequence was caught on film 70 years ago today:

22 July 1944: During an air attack on a Japanese seaplane base and barge landing at Kokas, Enga, Dutch New Guinea, a Douglas A-20G-25-DO Havoc light attack bomber, serial number 43-9432, was hit by anti-aircraft gunfire and crashed into the sea. The pilot, 1st Lieutenant James L. Knarr, on his 70th combat mission, and gunner Staff Sergeant Charles G. Reichley, on his 46th, were killed. The A-20, named Bevo, had been assigned to the 387th Bombardment Squadron, 312th Bombardment Group, based at the Hollandia Airfield Complex.

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:43:11pm

Holy shit… Something just got hit in Gaza next to where the RT webcam is located.

98 darthstar  Jul 22, 2014 4:45:25pm

The AP - always there to help keep the fires of controversy burning.

99 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 4:46:09pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of food, it’s that time of the year again. This is what I made this past weekend.
Might need more garlic in the next batch…

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Looks delish! I used to say there was no such thing as enough garlic. Then I ate a friend’s cooking and found out I was wrong. Gack.

100 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 4:46:24pm

Dim Jim complains about “lying”

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:47:10pm

re: #99 allegro

Looks delish! I used to say there was no such thing as enough garlic. Then I ate a friend’s cooking and found out I was wrong. Gack.

pickled garlic is GREAT. Next batch, I think I’ll do one jar of just dill pickled garlic bulbs.

102 ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2014 4:48:10pm

re: #85 Kragar

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I don’t know, but I have a feeling Todd Starnes might just need to drink more water. It may wash the bile out of him, and who knows, maybe help drop a few pounds along the way.

/

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 4:49:19pm

Please just not bottled water.

104 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 4:49:28pm

re: #70 simoom

OK, looks like the headline was definitely changed. Dilanian’s latest tweet reflects the new take:

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Yes, it was changed. Too late, though.

I updated the post above to note this.

105 Kragar  Jul 22, 2014 4:49:44pm

re: #100 Pie-onist Overlord

Dim Jim complains about “lying”

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106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 4:51:28pm

The Chinese are outsourcing now.

107 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 4:51:51pm
108 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 4:53:35pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

pickled garlic is GREAT. Next batch, I think I’ll do one jar of just dill pickled garlic bulbs.

I love pickled garlic, eat it like candy. I like to put it up with kalamata olives. It rocks.

109 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 22, 2014 4:54:50pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

No remains were ever recovered from this crash. The splash point in the 4th photo is the final resting place of James Knarr and Charles Reichley.

110 Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2014 4:55:19pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Chinese are outsourcing now.

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I’ve discussed with quite a few friends of mine that Africa is pretty much the last place left where outsourcing will go to. My Ugandan girlfriend has noted that there’s tons of Chinese businesspeople in and around Kampala, and many of them are interested in setting up shop.

111 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 22, 2014 4:55:41pm

re: #20 Dr Lizardo

There’s an idea floating around DC to put the DNR on the list of terrorist organzations, which I personally think is a very good idea. This also opens the door to putting Russia itself on the list of State Sponsors of Terrorism, and that brings with it a whole host of exceedingly unpleasant financial consequences.

It’s been noted by others that owing to almost complete US hegemony over the international banking system, the US alone could all but cripple Russia’s economy - the Europeans don’t even have to worry about lifting a finger. If Russia ended up on the State Sponsors of Terrorism list, they could kiss their financial future goodbye, for all intents and purposes, and I doubt very highly that the EU’s banking system is going to look at Russian money with anything less than a highly jaundiced eye at that point.

The Europeans won’t want their banking system to become a target of US anti-terrorism laws.

It also means shutting down the International Space Station…since we no longer have manned rockets and rely on Russian Soyuz craft to get to and from the ISI.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 22, 2014 4:55:50pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

From Boneyard Safari.
This horrifying sequence was caught on film 70 years ago today:

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That same sequence came up today over in one of the ComSimWorld threads that is doing “70 years ago today in WW2”.

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 22, 2014 4:56:55pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

pickled garlic is GREAT. Next batch, I think I’ll do one jar of just dill pickled garlic bulbs.

A friend of mine pickles jalapeno peppers in a bread and butter pickle spicing.

114 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 4:57:04pm

re: #108 allegro

I love pickled garlic, eat it like candy. I like to put it up with kalamata olives. It rocks.

Some people are so weird.

115 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 4:57:32pm
116 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 22, 2014 4:57:37pm

re: #108 allegro

I like garlic stuffed olives and even better bleu cheese stuffed olives.

117 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2014 4:57:44pm

Hey Charles I don’t think it would be a problem but I am going to play the good soldier and ask first: I just started a poetry blog, would it be ok if I link it here?

118 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 4:58:07pm

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

No problemo.

119 Killgore Trout  Jul 22, 2014 4:58:36pm

Kind of neat for the military geeks

‘Trophy’ System Takes Out RPG Fired At Israeli Tank

Hamas video of RPG fire on israeli tank, the trophy system destroyed the rocket before it hits.

Liveleak Video

It’s also worth noting that not Hamas, it’s Al Aqsa Martyrs - the military wing of “moderate” Fatah.

120 Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2014 4:58:40pm

re: #111 Aunty Entity Dragon

It also means shutting down the International Space Station…since we no longer have manned rockets and rely on Russian Soyuz craft to get to and from the ISI.

By 2017, NASA’s new SLS (space launch system) - the next generation of US manned rockets - should be ready to go.

nasa.gov

121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 22, 2014 4:58:40pm

re: #113 Feline Fearless Leader

A friend of mine pickles jalapeno peppers in a bread and butter pickle spicing.

That actually sounds pretty tasty. I have had spicy bread and butter pickles and while they can be an assault on the senses they are pretty tasty.

122 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 22, 2014 4:58:57pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

From Boneyard Safari.
This horrifying sequence was caught on film 70 years ago today:

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Thought those looked like A-20’s, but from the angle I wasn’t sure whether they could be Douglas B-26 Mauraders. Amazing shot sequence.

123 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:00:02pm

re: #43 Pie-onist Overlord

Batshit crazy wingnuts have a conspiracy theory that MH17 IS THE SAME AS MH370
*THROWS BURNING DESK OUT WINDOW*

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The window is there, it’s just covered.
How do we know these are the planes claimed.
Did the conspiracy theorists not get enough affection as children?

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:00:05pm

re: #114 b_sharp

Some people are so weird.

yes, we are.
And we like it.

125 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:00:48pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, we are.
And we like it.

I noticed that.

I’ve tried my best to be just as weird, but I’ve failed.

126 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:01:26pm

re: #125 b_sharp

I noticed that.

I’ve tried my best to be just as weird, but I’ve failed.

I’ll make you a sammich…

127 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 22, 2014 5:01:44pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Kind of neat for the military geeks

‘Trophy’ System Takes Out RPG Fired At Israeli Tank

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It’s also worth noting that not Hamas, it’s Al Aqsa Martyrs - the military wing of “moderate” Fatah.

I was of the opinion we should have bought Trophy off the rack from Israel and started using it immediately.

Instead, we gave a contract to develop a tank defense system from scratch to a US company that still doesn’t have anything up and working.

‘Merica Fuck Yeah!

128 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:02:20pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll make you a sammich…

Heavy on the pickles.

Light on the garlic, please.

It gives me heartburn.

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 22, 2014 5:02:48pm

re: #121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

That actually sounds pretty tasty. I have had spicy bread and butter pickles and while they can be an assault on the senses they are pretty tasty.

Sweet, and then a bit of heat from the peppers. Really good on cheeseburgers or as a small side serving with pulled pork.

130 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 5:02:59pm
131 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 5:04:09pm

re: #129 Feline Fearless Leader

Sweet, and then a bit of heat from the peppers. Really good on cheeseburgers or as a small side serving with pulled pork.

Wickles.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:04:11pm

re: #128 b_sharp

Heavy on the pickles.

Light on the garlic, please.

It gives me heartburn.

Just shut up and eat it.

133 Justanotherhuman  Jul 22, 2014 5:04:37pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Chinese are outsourcing now.

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What next, moon colonies?

BTW, my grandson says the drivers he works with are all ready to have a “confrontation” night w/mgrs to demand a pay raise.

I told him they should contact a union. : )

134 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:04:51pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just shut up and eat it.

Yes dear.

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:05:31pm
136 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 22, 2014 5:08:47pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

Wickles.

chilestuff.com

137 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 5:08:54pm

And now bugfuck Jody with the Jewish stars for “o’s” links to the anti-Semitic shitrag veterans today:

138 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 5:11:39pm

re: #136 Feline Fearless Leader

chilestuff.com

Two sides of the same coin. Or something.

139 jaunte  Jul 22, 2014 5:12:02pm
“…U.S. intelligence resources tracked the “specific missile” that downed Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, a senior administration official said Tuesday, saying intelligence adds up to a picture that “implicates Russia” in helping to bring down the plane.

“We did pick up a launch, and so we were able to have the ability to track this specific launch,” the official told reporters Tuesday afternoon. The missile shot up nearly vertically from a location in eastern Ukraine determined to be in control of Russian-backed separatists, the official added, before striking the plane at an altitude of 33,000 feet, killing the plane’s 298 passengers and crew.”
time.com

140 Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2014 5:12:09pm

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

141 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 22, 2014 5:14:07pm

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

And now bugfuck Jody with the Jewish stars for “o’s” links to the anti-Semitic shitrag veterans today:

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The diagram is completely wrong, for starters. Shrapnel damage can be seen in the left front cockpit section in wreckage photos. The missile exploded to the left of, and slightly ahead and below MH 17

142 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 5:14:35pm

I’m probably going to get shit for this Tweet

143 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 5:15:30pm
144 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:15:33pm

re: #142 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m probably going to get shit for this Tweet

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I’ve given up on Twitter.

It’s just a time waster.

145 ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2014 5:16:31pm

re: #133 Justanotherhuman

What next, moon colonies?

BTW, my grandson says the drivers he works with are all ready to have a “confrontation” night w/mgrs to demand a pay raise.

I told him they should contact a union. : )

Nice to see you back around and posting Justanotherhuman. I’ve missed your timely reporting. Is the move completed and everything settled with your internet connection?

(Waves)

146 Killgore Trout  Jul 22, 2014 5:19:50pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Holy shit… Something just got hit in Gaza next to where the RT webcam is located.

It’s been unusually quiet for the past half hour or so but the drones are back and some shelling. For the first time I’m starting to hear some small arms fire.

147 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 5:19:51pm

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

And now bugfuck Jody with the Jewish stars for “o’s” links to the anti-Semitic shitrag veterans today:

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So how does this numbnutz explain away 298 extra missing people?

148 Snarknado!  Jul 22, 2014 5:21:48pm

re: #43 Pie-onist Overlord

*THROWS BURNING DESK OUT WINDOW*

Did you ignite it with the sparks from your eyes?

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 5:22:11pm

re: #147 allegro

So how does this numbnutz explain away 298 extra missing people?

HURR HURR SEEKRIT CIA CAMPS WHERE THEY TOOK TEH FLIGHT 77 TAHT NEVER CRASHED IN TEH PENTAGON!!!!!

150 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 5:22:42pm

re: #148 Snarknado!

Did you ignite it with the sparks from your eyes?

No, just lighter fluid.

151 Kragar  Jul 22, 2014 5:22:52pm
152 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:23:14pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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“Snake in a bag” sounds like some kinda recipe, though not necessarily a good one.

153 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2014 5:24:13pm

re: #147 allegro

So how does this numbnutz explain away 298 extra missing people?

They got transfered from the Warehouse where they are keeping the other people who were on the “Planes” that “Flew” into the Twin Towers.

154 ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2014 5:24:44pm

re: #144 b_sharp

I’ve given up on Twitter.

It’s just a time waster.

For some it also seems to be a brain waster.

/

155 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2014 5:24:45pm

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR SEEKRIT CIA CAMPS WHERE THEY TOOK TEH FLIGHT 77 TAHT NEVER CRASHED IN TEH PENTAGON!!!!!

Great minds think alike…. you just think faster.

RBS

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:25:12pm

Oh, Charles, Steve Marmel took your meme several steps further…

157 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2014 5:25:21pm

re: #152 GeneJockey

“Snake in a bag” sounds like some kinda recipe, though not necessarily a good one.

It’s British, I believe.

RBS

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:26:07pm

re: #157 RealityBasedSteve

It’s British, I believe.

RBS

Related to “toad in a hole”, I believe.

159 CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2014 5:26:26pm

re: #144 b_sharp

I’ve given up on Twitter.

It’s just a time waster.

It doesn’t bother me, but then I don’t interact with very many people and I never ever respond to trolls, stalkers, or other types of haters.

I mostly just use it to follow the news, have brief chats with fellow lizards, tweet LGF articles & pages, and tweet or RT stuff that’s important to me. If it starts to annoy me I simply shut down Tweetdeck.

Twitter can’t waste my time—only I can do that. Ditto for LGF or anything else web- or internet-related.

160 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 22, 2014 5:26:46pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

No remains were ever recovered from this crash. The splash point in the 4th photo is the final resting place of James Knarr and Charles Reichley.

I always have loved the A-20’s - beautiful little bombers that could fly like fighters in the right hands. But the missions they flew had no room for error or often even escape, as these men show. God bless and grant them a place in the light…

161 ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2014 5:27:16pm

re: #147 allegro

So how does this numbnutz explain away 298 extra missing people?

They can fake all that shit these days. Look what they did with Obama’s birth certificate and the twin towers/9-11.

And all the families are fakes too.

They’re all in on it!!!!!!!

/

162 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:27:23pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

For some it also seems to be a brain waster.

/

Am I drooling again?
I thought I fixed that.

163 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2014 5:27:28pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

Related to “toad in a hole”, I believe.

and don’t forget “bubble and squeak”

RBS

164 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 5:27:37pm

re: #152 GeneJockey

“Snake in a bag” sounds like some kinda recipe, though not necessarily a good one.

Rattlesnake cooked over a campfire is really quite good. Of course, I’ve never eaten it when I was entirely sober so that may be a thing. And there was garlic.

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:28:43pm

re: #163 RealityBasedSteve

and don’t forget “bubble and squeak”

RBS

I try to forget “spotted dick”, however.

166 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:28:44pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

Related to “toad in a hole”, I believe.

American cutesy food names are so much cuddlier - Pigs in Blankets, for example.

Brits? Toad in the Hole, Spotty Dick, Bloaters. Christ, no wonder everyone there eats Indian takeout!

167 Teukka  Jul 22, 2014 5:28:46pm

re: #164 allegro

Rattlesnake cooked over a campfire is really quite good. Of course, I’ve never eaten it when I was entirely sober so that may be a thing. And there was garlic.

According to reports, snake allegedly has a similar taste and texture to chicken.

168 b.d.  Jul 22, 2014 5:28:49pm

Well, the world may suck right now but at least we have this to look forward to:

Chicks On Speed ​​work with Julian Assange and Yoko Ono on new album

mondosonoro.com

169 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:28:56pm

re: #159 CuriousLurker

It doesn’t bother me, but then I don’t interact with very many people and I never ever respond to trolls, stalkers, or other types of haters.

I mostly just use it to follow the news, have brief chats with fellow lizards, tweet LGF articles & pages, and tweet or RT stuff that’s important to me. If it starts to annoy me I simply shut down Tweetdeck.

Twitter can’t waste my time—only I can do that. Ditto for LGF or anything else web- or internet-related.

I don’t have that self control.

I spend way too much time trying to get a rise out of people.

170 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 22, 2014 5:28:58pm

re: #151 Kragar

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@Kragar_LGF @Lib_Librarian At first I thought they handed me the wrong dossier. Rick Perry could have been a village idiot anywhere…

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 22, 2014 5:29:13pm

re: #111 Aunty Entity Dragon

It also means shutting down the International Space Station…since we no longer have manned rockets and rely on Russian Soyuz craft to get to and from the ISI.

Fuel up the RCS and hope it can maintain orbit till Space-X can build a modern X-20 boosted on a Shuttle SRB?

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:29:56pm

re: #164 allegro

Rattlesnake cooked over a campfire is really quite good. Of course, I’ve never eaten it when I was entirely sober so that may be a thing. And there was garlic.

Rattlesnake burgers are pretty tasty.

173 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 5:30:33pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, Charles, Steve Marmel took your meme several steps further…

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Good gawd. Last night on the news they showed a clip of him pounding a podium and talk about how we’re under assault and he just isn’t going to let this situation continue, thus calling out the national guard.

Under assault. By little brown kids. What a fucking hero he is.

174 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:30:56pm

re: #167 Teukka

According to reports, snake allegedly has a similar taste and texture to chicken.

“‘Here! Try weasel! Try squirrel! It tastes just like chicken!’

“If it tastes just like chicken, why don’t you give me some damn chicken!!!!”
/Bobcat

175 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 22, 2014 5:31:08pm

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

And now bugfuck Jody with the Jewish stars for “o’s” links to the anti-Semitic shitrag veterans today:

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I’m so glad I’m not on twitter.

Though the correct answer to that one is “Are you drunk or just stupid?”

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:31:12pm

re: #169 b_sharp

I don’t have that self control.

I spend way too much time trying to get a rise out of people.

That’s why I start throwing sammiches at you on twitter!

177 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:32:09pm

re: #175 William Barnett-Lewis

I’m so glad I’m not on twitter.

Though the correct answer to that one is “Are you drunk or just stupid?”

False dichotomy.
//

178 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 5:32:09pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

American cutesy food names are so much cuddlier - Pigs in Blankets, for example.

Brits? Toad in the Hole, Spotty Dick, Bloaters. Christ, no wonder everyone there eats Indian takeout!

Shit on a shingle?

179 ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2014 5:32:10pm

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR SEEKRIT CIA CAMPS WHERE THEY TOOK TEH FLIGHT 77 TAHT NEVER CRASHED IN TEH PENTAGON!!!!!

Nah…they used the missing flight from March lost in the India Ocean. Amerika made the plane indivisible to all radar, snuck the plane to Amsterdam unnoticed, filled it with cadavers and blew it outta the sky with dronzz…all to make Putie Poot to look bad.

///

180 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 22, 2014 5:32:56pm

re: #179 ObserverArt

Nah…they used the missing flight from March lost in the India Ocean. Amerika made the plane indivisible to all radar, snuck the plane to Amsterdam unnoticed, filled it with cadavers and blew it outta the sky with dronzz…all to make Putie Poot to look bad.

///

In other words…the last season of Lost…

181 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 5:33:25pm

re: #167 Teukka

According to reports, snake allegedly has a similar taste and texture to chicken.

Much richer and more dense. Not at all gamey or fishy like ‘gator meat.

182 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:33:30pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s why I start throwing sammiches at you on twitter!

I love sammiches.

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:33:42pm

re: #174 GeneJockey

“‘Here! Try weasel! Try squirrel! It tastes just like chicken!’

“If it tastes just like chicken, why don’t you give me some damn chicken!!!!”
/Bobcat

you will need one of these:

184 jaunte  Jul 22, 2014 5:33:46pm

Stephen King upsetting some of his audience:

185 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 22, 2014 5:34:23pm

re: #181 allegro

Much richer and more dense. Not at all gamey or fishy like ‘gator meat.

Huh. Here I was told chicken tasted just like ‘gator… ;)

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:34:32pm

re: #182 b_sharp

I love sammiches.

I know.
:D

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 5:35:25pm

New wingnut hashtag, it means WE WILL NOT LEARN HISTORY OR SCIENCE!!!!!!

188 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:36:05pm

re: #178 allegro

Shit on a shingle?

Good point, but it wouldn’t be called that on the menu.

Mostly.

189 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:36:37pm

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

New wingnut hashtag, it means WE WILL NOT LEARN HISTORY OR SCIENCE!!!!!!

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“We don’t need no education”, eh?

190 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 5:36:55pm
191 Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2014 5:39:11pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

Bangers and mash!

192 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2014 5:40:12pm

re: #100 Pie-onist Overlord

Dim Jim complains about “lying”

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That’s the “I don’t have to run for re-election any more, so I’m just going to let it rip” line. Yea, that shows he was lying. ijiot

re: #189 GeneJockey

“We don’t need no education”, eh?

We don’t need no thought control….

sadly, many RWNJs view the concept of public education as just that.

193 dog philosopher  Jul 22, 2014 5:40:42pm

re: #164 allegro

Rattlesnake cooked over a campfire is really quite good. Of course, I’ve never eaten it when I was entirely sober so that may be a thing. And there was garlic.

requires tequila drank direct outta th’ bottle i think

194 Kragar  Jul 22, 2014 5:41:34pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

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1) Animal Mother wasn’t a door gunner.

2) Animal Mother was at least competent at his job, despite his other problems

195 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:42:14pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know.
:D

I did notice that irony is wasted on the young.

196 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 5:42:16pm

re: #193 dog philosopher

requires tequila drank direct outta th’ bottle i think

You were there, too! Did I have fun?

197 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 5:42:48pm
198 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2014 5:43:00pm

if you slow roast garlic, then squeeze it out of the skin… it has the most mild, rich, nutty taste you can imagine. Not garlicky at all, just heaven..

RBS

199 lawhawk  Jul 22, 2014 5:43:12pm

re: #194 Kragar

1) Animal Mother wasn’t a door gunner.

2) Animal Mother was at least competent at his job, despite his other problems

Door Gunner: ‘Cuz I’m so fuckin’ good! I done got me 157 dead gooks killed. Plus 50 water buffalo, too! Them’s all confirmed!
Private Joker: Any women or children?
Door Gunner: Sometimes!
Private Joker: How can you shoot women or children?
Door Gunner: Easy! Ya just don’t lead ‘em so much! Ain’t war hell?

It was the door gunner who had the line about killing women and children. Truly sociopathic.

imdb.com

200 lawhawk  Jul 22, 2014 5:43:52pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

201 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 5:44:08pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

you will need one of these:
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I own it.

202 dog philosopher  Jul 22, 2014 5:44:22pm

Justin Bieber Sad In His Underwear On Selena Gomez’s Birthday

203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:44:48pm

re: #198 RealityBasedSteve

if you slow roast garlic, then squeeze it out of the skin… it has the most mild, rich, nutty taste you can imagine. Not garlicky at all, just heaven..

RBS

And very spreadable. Just like butter.

204 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:45:21pm

re: #198 RealityBasedSteve

if you slow roast garlic, then squeeze it out of the skin… it has the most mild, rich, nutty taste you can imagine. Not garlicky at all, just heaven..

RBS

Then again, if you roast an eggplant and mix it with tahini and a shitload of chopped fresh garlic, it’s garlicky as all hell and it, too, is just heaven! My sister-in-law makes baba ghanouj with so much garlic it makes your gums sting ever so slightly. It’s GOOOOOD!!!!

205 b_sharp  Jul 22, 2014 5:45:25pm

re: #200 lawhawk

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You do not want A**m B*****n coming out of a mirror.

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:45:40pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

I own it.

me, too!
:D

207 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 5:46:14pm

re: #194 Kragar

1) Animal Mother wasn’t a door gunner.

2) Animal Mother was at least competent at his job, despite his other problems

But … Rick “Animal Mother” Perry. You have to admit, it has a ring to it.

208 Kragar  Jul 22, 2014 5:47:36pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

But … Rick “Animal Mother” Perry. You have to admit, it has a ring to it.

I was thinking “Wyatt Derp”.

209 jaunte  Jul 22, 2014 5:47:49pm

Where’s Bryan Fischer?

210 allegro  Jul 22, 2014 5:48:24pm

re: #208 Kragar

I was thinking “Wyatt Derp”.

Asshole works for me.

211 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:49:05pm

re: #209 jaunte

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Where’s Bryan Fischer?

“I’m tired of fish. What’s photographer taste like?”

212 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 5:49:20pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

me, too!
:D

And the companion volume?

213 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2014 5:49:43pm

heh, this one works, too…

214 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:49:57pm

re: #210 allegro

Asshole works for me.

I was thinking Scumbag, Jerkoff, and… um,… what was the other one?

215 Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2014 5:51:06pm
216 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 5:53:55pm

re: #184 jaunte

Stephen King upsetting some of his audience:

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217 Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2014 5:54:07pm

Animal mother with a mani pedi, maybe.

218 ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2014 5:54:27pm

re: #180 Aunty Entity Dragon

In other words…the last season of Lost…

Really. I don’t know because I never watched the series.

219 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:54:32pm

re: #217 Amory Blaine

Animal mother with a mani pedi, maybe.

Doorgunner Goodhair

220 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 5:56:27pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

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Those who don’t believe in the separation of church and state always assume it’ll be THEIR church.

221 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 5:56:46pm

My favorite typo today:

The situation has been described as an “urgent humanitarian crisis” by President Barack Obama and prompted the president to ask Congress to approve an emergency $3.7 spending bill.

I wonder whether congress would approve a $3.70 spending bill.

Nah.

222 _RememberTonyC  Jul 22, 2014 5:57:01pm

In the 2012 debates, the President ridiculed Mitt Romney when he warned about Russia. Mr Obama made a wise crack about “the 1980s called and want their foreign policy back.”

But when you look around the world, Russia is in the middle of many hot spots, and never on the side of good. Whether it’s backing Syrian repression and mass murder against TENS OF THOUSANDS of fellow Arabs, or building reactors for Iran, or using Edward Snowden against us, or allowing their thugs in Ukraine to shoot down the plane last week. Where is Russia anything but a thorn in our side? Romney had a point.

223 jaunte  Jul 22, 2014 5:58:34pm

Renaissance Avoided More Than $6 Billion Tax, Report Says

A Renaissance Technologies LLC hedge fund’s investors probably avoided more than $6 billion in U.S. income taxes over 14 years through transactions with Barclays Plc (BARC) and Deutsche Bank AG (DBK), a Senate committee said.

The hedge fund used contracts with the banks to establish the “fiction” that it wasn’t the owner of thousands of stocks traded each day, said Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat and chairman of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. The maneuver sought to transform profits from rapid trading into long-term capital gains taxed at a lower rate, he said.

“It meant enormous profit for both the banks and the hedge funds,” Levin told reporters yesterday in Washington. “Ordinary Americans had to shoulder a tax burden of billions of dollars, a burden that was shrugged off by those hedge funds.”

224 CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2014 6:00:05pm

re: #209 jaunte

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Where’s Bryan Fischer?

Holy crap! That distortion looks like what you get with a wide angle lens, so the photographer must’ve been really close.

225 D Koch  Jul 22, 2014 6:00:40pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Reminds me of “Get some” scene from “Full Metal Jacket”:

“How can you shot women and children? Easy, you just don’t lead them so much!”

Video

226 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 6:04:03pm

re: #222 _RememberTonyC

In the 2012 debates, the President ridiculed Mitt Romney when he warned about Russia. Mr Obama made a wise crack about “the 1980s called and want their foreign policy back.”

But when you look around the world, Russia is in the middle of many hot spots, and never on the side of good. Whether it’s backing Syrian repression and mass murder against TENS OF THOUSANDS of fellow Arabs, or building reactors for Iran, or using Edward Snowden against us, or allowing their thugs in Ukraine to shoot down the plane last week. Where is Russia anything but a thorn in our side? Romney had a point.

Do you think Romney would be doing a better job now than Obama is?

Oh never mind, he logged out.

227 Stanley Sea  Jul 22, 2014 6:04:37pm

re: #223 jaunte

Renaissance Avoided More Than $6 Billion Tax, Report Says

Imagine the economy if they paid. My my.

228 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2014 6:05:28pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

Holy crap! That distortion looks like what you get with a wide angle lens, so the photographer must’ve been really close.

that’s exactly what I was thinking….

RBS

229 Stanley Sea  Jul 22, 2014 6:05:51pm

re: #226 wrenchwench

I gave him long lost lizard love.

230 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 6:06:02pm

re: #200 lawhawk

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231 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 6:07:15pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

My favorite typo today:

I wonder whether congress would approve a $3.70 spending bill.

Nah.

They could order off the bargain menu at Wendy’s

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 22, 2014 6:09:21pm

re: #222 _RememberTonyC

Where is Russia anything but a thorn in our side? Romney had a point.

Too bad it’s on the top of his head.

233 wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2014 6:10:27pm

re: #229 Stanley Sea

I gave him long lost lizard love.

He’s been popping up in the Pages lately. Got pretty rude to CL.

234 CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2014 6:10:35pm

re: #229 Stanley Sea

I gave him long lost lizard love.

I try, but just when I want to be nice to them they say or do something that…

235 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 6:12:43pm

re: #222 _RememberTonyC

In the 2012 debates, the President ridiculed Mitt Romney when he warned about Russia. Mr Obama made a wise crack about “the 1980s called and want their foreign policy back.”

But when you look around the world, Russia is in the middle of many hot spots, and never on the side of good. Whether it’s backing Syrian repression and mass murder against TENS OF THOUSANDS of fellow Arabs, or building reactors for Iran, or using Edward Snowden against us, or allowing their thugs in Ukraine to shoot down the plane last week. Where is Russia anything but a thorn in our side? Romney had a point.

No, he really didn’t. Romney didn’t just WARN about Russia, he identified Russia as our top geopolitical threat.

Russia is a regional power, and can make regional trouble. Global problems? Nah. Putin’s already overplayed his hand, especially giving SAMs to lunatics.

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 22, 2014 6:12:52pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

Holy crap! That distortion looks like what you get with a wide angle lens, so the photographer must’ve been really close.

A’yep. Better him than me. I’d have needed my brown pants that day.

237 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 6:13:53pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

Holy crap! That distortion looks like what you get with a wide angle lens, so the photographer must’ve been really close.

I suspect the CAMERA may have been a lot closer than the photographer.

238 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 22, 2014 6:14:47pm

re: #222 _RememberTonyC

Except that Rmoney would have tried to pretend it _was_ the 80’s and made things even worse by being a St. Ronny of teh Ray-Gun wanna-be.

239 CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2014 6:15:16pm

re: #237 GeneJockey

I suspect the CAMERA may have been a lot closer than the photographer.

Yeah, I guess he could’ve been using a remote trigger and a camera with some sort of continuous focus.

240 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 22, 2014 6:15:20pm

re: #237 GeneJockey

I suspect the CAMERA may have been a lot closer than the photographer.

One would hope so… O_o

241 GeneJockey  Jul 22, 2014 6:17:43pm

re: #240 William Barnett-Lewis

One would hope so… O_o

Yeah. 1000 lbs of CURIOUS carnivore can be almost as dangerous as 1000 lbs of HUNGRY carnivore.

242 D Koch  Jul 22, 2014 6:24:16pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

So none of the nutjobs at First Intercept are commenting on the invasion of Gaza?

You would think Scahill would be jumping up and down about it.

Makes ya wonder about the actual editorial freedom they bragged about. I know if I founded a retail site like EBay I wouldn’t want sales fucked up by a boycott started by the rantings of the loony crew at FI.

243 ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2014 6:40:38pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I guess he could’ve been using a remote trigger and a camera with some sort of continuous focus.

I don’t know all the bells and whistles available on a high end and larger format camera like a Leica, Hasselblad, or Mamiya, but I am wondering if someone has a feature where you could have a remote control and small monitor screen attached to a long connection like a USB connector and be able to use all the camera’s functions remotely…like focus and triggering the shot.

And if that isn’t made, it might not be long before it is.

All before the bear destroys your $20,000 camera and how it’s mounted.

By the way…it is a really cool image. Almost cartoon like withe bears expression.

244 _RememberTonyC  Jul 22, 2014 6:42:09pm

re: #226 wrenchwench

Romney had a point …. Obama’s approval rating is around 40% nationally but closer to 95% on this board. Consider that.

245 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 22, 2014 6:44:38pm

re: #243 ObserverArt

I don’t know all the bells and whistles available on a high end and larger format camera like a Leica, Hasselblad, or Mamiya, but I am wondering if someone has a feature where you could have a remote control and small monitor screen attached to a long connection like a USB connector and be able to use all the camera’s functions remotely…like focus and triggering the shot.

And if that isn’t made, it might not be long before it is.

All before the bear destroys your $20,000 camera and how it’s mounted.

By the way…it is a really cool image. Almost cartoon like withe bears expression.

There’s an iPhone app that will do that for some cameras. My friend has one for his Fuji mirrorless (Like a Leica). Uses bluetooth, iirc.

246 _RememberTonyC  Jul 22, 2014 6:46:49pm

re: #238 William Barnett-Lewis

at some point in time, Obama is going to have to open a can of whoop ass on one of the world’s bad actors ….. i just hope he chooses wisely.

247 CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2014 6:54:41pm

re: #243 ObserverArt

All before the bear destroys your $20,000 camera and how it’s mounted.

LOL, indeed.

By the way…it is a really cool image. Almost cartoon like withe bears expression.

Yes, very cool. It immediately made me think of Yogi Bear.

248 ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2014 7:15:30pm

re: #245 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There’s an iPhone app that will do that for some cameras. My friend has one for his Fuji mirrorless (Like a Leica). Uses bluetooth, iirc.

That makes sense, there is your monitor and controller. Do you know if it is some kind of WiFi connector, or a phone/internet satellite connection?

I have an old Mamiya RB 67…sure wish I could afford a digital back for it. I used it for both product and some portrait work.

249 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 22, 2014 11:11:56pm

re: #222 _RememberTonyC

In the 2012 debates, the President ridiculed Mitt Romney when he warned about Russia. Mr Obama made a wise crack about “the 1980s called and want their foreign policy back.”

But when you look around the world, Russia is in the middle of many hot spots, and never on the side of good. Whether it’s backing Syrian repression and mass murder against TENS OF THOUSANDS of fellow Arabs, or building reactors for Iran, or using Edward Snowden against us, or allowing their thugs in Ukraine to shoot down the plane last week. Where is Russia anything but a thorn in our side? Romney had a point.

Uh, no. Romney was presenting a caricatured version with his “foe #1”. It isn’t, and even if it were, you don’t say that out loud, so as not to add to Putin’s sense of self-importance.


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