Awful: Reason Magazine’s 1976 Holocaust Denial “Special Issue”

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Wow. I rarely begin a post that way, but here’s something I never knew about Reason Magazine, the flagship journal of American libertarianism, and it’s really, really awful. Mark Ames at Pando Daily has dug the whole thing up: As Reason’s Editor Defends Its Racist History, Here’s a Copy of Its Holocaust Denial “Special Issue”.

Astonishingly, in February 1976, Reason dedicated an entire “special issue” to promoting Holocaust deniers, under the guise of so-called “historical revisionism.” How horrifying is it? You can judge for yourself — the whole thing is embedded below.

PandoDaily contacted noted Holocaust historian and Holocaust Museum expert Deborah Lipstadt to ask her opinion. In 2000, Lipstadt won a much-publicized libel trial in Britain against a leading Holocaust denier, David Irving. When we shared with her the list of Reason’s “special issue” contributors and authors positively cited in the issue, Lipstadt described it as “the Who’s Who of early American Holocaust deniers.”

Authors who contributed articles Reason magazine’s “special issue” included one of the most notorious American pro-Nazi activists of the postwar era, Austin J. App, author of the 1973 tract, “The Six Million Swindle: Blackmailing the German People for Hard Marks and Fabricated Corpses” and contributing editor to the rabidly anti-Semitic magazine, the American Mercury. Two more authors hired to write for Reason’s “special issue” included James J. Martin, a regular contributor to the same neo-Nazi American Mercury magazine; and Percy Greaves, a founding board member at the anti-Jewish hate group, the Liberty Lobby.

Both Martin and Greaves were deeply involved in leading anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denier outfits before, during and after Reason hired them as contributors; and shortly after they appeared in Reason’s “special issue,” both Martin and Greaves served as editorial directors in David Irving’s favorite neo-Nazi outfit, the Institute for Historical Review, described as “the world’s single most important outlet for Holocaust-denial propaganda” by the Anti-Defamation League.

Here’s the whole disgusting thing.

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115 comments

1 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 6:21:05pm

Gotta run folks. A thunderstorm keeps killing the power here.

2 Randall Gross  Jul 24, 2014 6:21:14pm

because … that’s reason? Talk about cognitive dissonance.

3 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:21:49pm

re: #2 Randall Gross

because … that’s reason? Talk about cognitive dissonance.

Well they are Ayn Rand inspired.

4 Randall Gross  Jul 24, 2014 6:22:27pm

There’s Christian Reconstructionist Gary North on page 34 …

5 Randall Gross  Jul 24, 2014 6:24:01pm

and of course Rothbard is in the masthead.

6 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:24:31pm

Pearl Harbor CTs too i see. BTW that’s the same Bruce Bartlett that we sometimes see.

7 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 6:25:58pm

re: #4 Randall Gross

There’s Christian Reconstructionist Gary North on page 34 …

Yes, the link between antisemitism and Christian Reconstructionism, made explicit.

8 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:27:03pm

Wasn’t our dear friend Mona a regular commenter at reason.com? “A notorious hate site.”

9 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:27:20pm

This is all why I am not fond of libertarianism though. Talks a nice game at a superficial gander but when you get down to it, you get kooky CT bullshit combined with a totally unrealistic view of how an economy should operate.

10 Randall Gross  Jul 24, 2014 6:28:10pm

Every article in here was later expanded and embellished even more in Pat Buchanan’s books.

11 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 6:28:33pm

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

Wasn’t our dear friend Mona a regular commenter at reason.com? “A notorious hate site.”

Yes, she was. There are several older posts at LGF about that.

12 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:28:44pm
Here’s the whole awful, disgusting thing.

13 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 6:29:31pm

From the magazine:

Buy Gold!

They’ve been hammering away at “fiat money” and potential hyperinflation for a long time.

14 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 6:30:09pm

Nice 1976 typography.

15 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:31:36pm

I’m actually surprised to see nothing by Ron Paul in there.

16 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 6:31:59pm

Reason was a magazine for hateful bigoted crackpots in 1976, and in 2014 it’s become a slick, polished magazine for hateful bigoted crackpots who’ve learned to hide it.

17 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 6:33:04pm

Mark Ames of Pandodaily gets it:

There is a politics to all of this, a politics that’s barely budged since the days of the American Liberty League: The goal is to discredit the New Deal and FDR, which can’t be done effectively without discrediting FDR’s most popular cause, the victory over fascist Germany and Japan. To far-right extraction industry billionaires like the Koch family, FDR and his New Deal politics were a kind of anti-business “holocaust,” because the the New Deal forced the long-dominant plutocrats to part with a portion of their wealth and political power. To the nation’s Big Business oligarchs in the 1930s, FDR’s New Deal reforms — breaking up the power of finance, trusts, and industrialists, while empowering labor unions —was a crime and a wound as raw in 1976 as it was in 1936.

For them, FDR was a tyrant and a criminal, an American Hitler, only no one else could see things their way, because the real Hitler was widely believed to be one of the worst figures in history. Therefore, libertarian “historical revisionism” had to convince these Americans that Hitler wasn’t nearly as awful as they believed, which meant that the Holocaust couldn’t have happened — if the goal was to discredit FDR and the New Deal.

QED. This is why the US hard right is always doing Nazi apologetics and otherwise downplaying their evil.

18 Randall Gross  Jul 24, 2014 6:33:12pm

In our philosophical war the paleo libertarians have long been the fifth column of Euro Fascism in the U.S. Their brand of wild west libertarianism is inimical to our constitution, our republic, and pretty much every institution that keeps this country moving day in and day out.

19 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 6:33:29pm

And I have to also mention that I don’t fully trust Pando and Mark Ames, either. But this is undeniably genuine.

20 b.d.  Jul 24, 2014 6:34:30pm

Is it wrong imagining certain current day high profile folks reading this under the covers with a flashlight when they were kids?

21 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:35:06pm

re: #18 Randall Gross

In our philosophical war the paleo libertarians have long been the fifth column of Euro Fascism in the U.S. Their brand of wild west libertarianism is inimical to our constitution, our republic, and pretty much every institution that keeps this country moving day in and day out.

What it does and what greatly annoys me about people in my generation is they embrace it because they hear the opposition to the drug war and the grandiose talk about freedom and sticking to the ideals of the founders. The truth of course is that this paleo-libertarianism does in fact have a lot of intersection with both fascism and white supremacism.

22 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:35:43pm

re: #20 b.d.

Is it wrong imagining certain current day high profile folks reading this under the covers with a flashlight when they were kids?

I think it’s funny to imagine Ron Paul reading Rand these as his bed time stories.

23 Randall Gross  Jul 24, 2014 6:37:14pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

What it does and what greatly annoys me about people in my generation is they embrace it because they hear the opposition to the drug war and the grandiose talk about freedom and sticking to the ideals of the founders. The truth of course is that this paleo-libertarianism does in fact have a lot of intersection with both fascism and white supremacism.

Don’t forget fundamentalism too. All Paleo libertarians are anti-abortion which flies in the face of objectivist philosophy, just as having Gary North author a column in “Reason” does.

24 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:37:36pm

You know how I knew Ron Paul was a shithead? The fact that he was willing to get strong support form Neo-Nazis and white supremacists and felt no shame by it. Anyone who does that. I don’t care how many times they say the words freedom and liberty, someone like that isn’t a friend of either.

25 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:38:31pm

re: #23 Randall Gross

Don’t forget fundamentalism too. All Paleo libertarians are anti-abortion which flies in the face of objectivist philosophy, just as having Gary North author a column in “Reason” does.

You’re absolutely right about that. There’s a huge bent of a religious fundamentalism that goes with paleo-libertarianism.

26 b.d.  Jul 24, 2014 6:39:02pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

And I have to also mention that I don’t fully trust Pando and Mark Ames, either. But this is undeniably genuine.

So much for Pando not focusing on politics anymore. Sorry Ted and David.

27 b.d.  Jul 24, 2014 6:40:03pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I think it’s funny to imagine Ron Paul reading Rand these as his bed time stories.

Rand Paul not being able to sleep as a child might explain the way he is now.

28 dog philosopher  Jul 24, 2014 6:40:51pm

re: #23 Randall Gross

Don’t forget fundamentalism too. All Paleo libertarians are anti-abortion which flies in the face of objectivist philosophy, just as having Gary North author a column in “Reason” does.

i guess we can add ayn rand to ronald reagan and others in the list of prophets who would be crucified by their followers if they happened to come back to life

29 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 6:41:27pm

re: #26 b.d.

So much for Pando not focusing on politics anymore. Sorry Ted and David.

Few places need to have the filthy underside of libertarianism exposed as badly as Silicon Valley. This particular political piece is definitely a public service.

30 dog philosopher  Jul 24, 2014 6:41:37pm

objectivism

i’ve declared for being a discordian, myself

31 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 6:42:56pm

I should mention that I’ve met Matt Welch and we actually used to be sorta friends, and I’m pretty sure he despises me now, but he should be ashamed of the way he’s refusing to confront this.

I know he’s not, though. He’s gettin’ paid. Who cares if it’s by people who deny the Holocaust?

32 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 6:43:35pm

I would. But maybe that’s just me.

I’m a little creeped out now.

33 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 6:45:13pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

I would. But maybe that’s just me.

I’m a little creeped out now.

You should be. Holocaust denial isn’t just the left and the right fighting over guns vs. butter in a budget. It is actively evil in a way that few other political positions are.

34 b.d.  Jul 24, 2014 6:46:20pm

Denying stuff is all the rage these days, those guys were just ahead of the curve.

//

35 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:47:14pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

You should be. Holocaust denial isn’t just the left and the right fighting over guns vs. butter in a budget. It is actively evil in a way that few other political positions are.

It’s one of the most vile things out there. It’s not merely the denial of history, it’s the denial of the suffering of millions. I liked the director, Billy Wilder’s response to the holocaust denier, David Irving when he asked “Where are my family who got killed?” Holocaust deniers. They’re right up there with the anti-vaxxers and religious right when it comes to what I find close to be genuinely evil in political discussion.

36 bratwurst  Jul 24, 2014 6:47:42pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I’m actually surprised to see nothing by Ron Paul in there.

Never fear…aforementioned Christian Reconstructionist Gary North was only a few months from assuming a “research assistant” role for Paul after he won his first congressional term in an April 1976 special election.

37 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:48:34pm

When you deny the Holocaust. You are not merely denying history. You are telling someone “No, your aunt/uncle/grandparent/brother/sister/husband/sister didn’t really suffer and those Nazis just got a bad rap. I will note that the Nazis never tried to deny what happened at Nuremberg but rather tried to shift responsibility.

38 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:48:53pm

West Coast CNN watch Cronkite and the walking on the moon.

Seriously, this is great.

39 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:49:04pm

re: #36 bratwurst

Never fear…aforementioned Christian Reconstructionist Gary North was only a few months from assuming a “research assistant” role for Paul after he won his first congressional term in an April 1976 special election.

Ah don’t know why I thought Paul was already in office by then.

40 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:49:23pm

apologies.

41 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:52:12pm

A corollary to Holocaust denial is claims that Israelis are the new Nazis.

42 The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:24pm

Anything’s justifiable as long as it’s done while resisting “socialism.”

So WWII is about the USSR being the Real Villain, and Germany the bold individualists. Nazi anti-Semitism is about pushing back against internationalist leftist Jews.

A few years later, apartheid is all about Scary Blacks Who Want Collectivism…a sentiment that stretched beyond kooks and dropped from the mouths of people like Thatcher.

This is why we’ve ended up with a current generation of apologists for Pinochet and Franco (and who’ve never heard of Suharto).

43 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:35pm

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

A corollary to Holocaust denial is claims that Israelis are the new Nazis.

What’s truly weird about that one is it often comes from people like David Duke who feel that the actual Nazis were misunderstood.

44 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:56pm

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

A corollary to Holocaust denial is claims that Israelis are the new Nazis.

Indeed. This is how some lefty types fall for this malignant garbage.

45 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:54:55pm

re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea

Anything’s justifiable as long as it’s done while resisting “socialism.”

So WWII is about the USSR being the Real Villain, and Germany the bold individualists. Nazi anti-Semitism is about pushing back against internationalist leftist Jews.

A few years later, apartheid is all about Scary Blacks Who Want Collectivism…a sentiment that stretched beyond kooks and dropped from the mouths of people like Thatcher.

This is why we’ve ended up with a current generation of apologists for Pinochet and Franco (and who’ve never heard of Suharto).

Damn, this is a damn good post. But you’re absolutely right. This has become the revisionist right’s defense. The crimes of Pinochet and Franco are excused because somehow Allende was even worse as was the Spanish Republic.

46 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:55:34pm

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

A corollary to Holocaust denial is claims that Israelis are the new Nazis.

Calling Israelis Nazis is a sign of uneducated foolery. Foolery that is extremely dangerous.

47 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 7:01:20pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

Calling Israelis Nazis is a sign of uneducated foolery. Foolery that is extremely dangerous.

Re-reading. Foolery is weak. I meant ideologues, demagogues, partisans, extremists IE. FOOLS

48 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 7:02:31pm

re: #14 jaunte

Nice 1976 typography.

Actually typography wasn’t too bad at the time. Some of the original photo type machines were already out. It looks like the magazine was done on the cheap with probably worn out linotype machines. And equally cheap printing.

49 Randall Gross  Jul 24, 2014 7:03:18pm

and if you head over to Gary North’s site today you see that he’s still a revisionist, still a gold bug, and still a christian reconstructionist:

Remnant Review.

Sometime early next year, I will begin writing the scripts for my history of the United States. I will produce a course for the Ron Paul Curriculum. It will be a combination of PowerPoint screencasts, lectures, and primary source documents.

This will be the culmination of a half century of work. I have a particular view of how American history should be taught, but that is not the same as saying that I am confident at this point that I will be able to stick to my theoretical preference for teaching American history. When somebody is trying to communicate a lifetime of work to 14-year-olds, he has to cut corners.

My course will parallel a course taught by Tom Woods on the history of American constitutions. The chronological periods will overlap. He will begin with the constitutions that started it all, the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut (1639) and the Massachusetts Body of Liberties (1641). He will give considerable space to the Articles of Confederation. He will also discuss the Constitutional Convention, and the history of Constitutional interpretation from that point on. It is not possible to understand American history unless you also understand the development of American constitutionalism. In this sense, the United States really is unique, or some people say, exceptional. There has never been a country like it in this regard. The evolution of the constitutions really does mark the major changes in American life.

50 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:04:16pm

Motivation.

51 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:06:11pm
52 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:06:51pm
53 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:09:20pm

Wow, this fucker is a member of Congress.

54 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 7:09:56pm

Bruce Bartlett is in there too, with a Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory.

Unreal.

55 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:11:40pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Bruce Bartlett is in there too, with a Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory.

Unreal.

Wasn’t he the president in West Wing?

56 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 7:12:19pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Bruce Bartlett is in there too, with a Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory.

Unreal.

Both Barlett and Gary North worked for Ron Paul for a time.

At least Barlett went uncrazy a couple years ago.

57 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:12:37pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Bruce Bartlett is in there too, with a Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory.

Unreal.

Yeah I noticed that too. There’s two Pearl Harbor crazy articles. One that claims it was FDR’s Watergate.

58 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:14:19pm

re: #53 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow, this fucker is a member of Congress.

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Fucker is the correct term for him. Nice catch - getting a sitting congressman to be a dick on Twitter.

59 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:14:53pm

re: #53 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow, this fucker is a member of Congress.

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Youmightbeaconservative if you’re doing stupid you might be a liberal memes while you’re a member of Congress.

60 sagehen  Jul 24, 2014 7:15:12pm

re: #56 Timothy Watson

Both Barlett and Gary Noth worked for Ron Paul for a time.

At least Barlett went uncrazy a couple years ago.

Only on economics; he’s still a waste of space on any other topic.

61 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:18:33pm

Don’t want that one on the internet.

62 The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 24, 2014 7:19:42pm

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

A corollary to Holocaust denial is claims that Israelis are the new Nazis.

As is lightly touched on in the Pando article, it used to be that Israel was seen as a hotbed of dangerous leftism.

This dovetailed with the idea the FDR’s cabinet (and thus his WWII decisions) were leftist Jews, and that support of both the New Deal and the support for Israel stemmed from the latter. Slightly deeper down the same crazy path you find the people that think the whole US entry into WWII was a put-up job by internationalists (who were also Jews).

The only thing that tamps down rightist antisemitism these days is the nickel-plated philo-semitism of Rapture-ready “Christians”…which is actually just a cordial form of anti-Semitism, since it postulates that Jews (Israeli or not) are deserving of divine punishment and/or not really the Chosen People.

63 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:20:21pm

Okay…much more appropriate.

64 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 7:20:37pm

re: #53 Pie-onist Overlord

Well looky there.

Georgia
Federal spending received for every tax dollar paid: $1.09
Rank: 27
Rank in 2005: 32
Federal spending received for every tax dollar paid per capita: $1.53
motherjones.com

65 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:23:09pm

re: #62 The Ghost of a Flea

As is lightly touched on in the Pando article, it used to be that Israel was seen as a hotbed of dangerous leftism.

This dovetailed with the idea the FDR’s cabinet (and thus his WWII decisions) were leftist Jews, and that support of both the New Deal and the support for Israel stemmed from the latter. Slightly deeper down the same crazy path you find the people that think the whole US entry into WWII was a put-up job by internationalists (who were also Jews).

The only thing that tamps down rightist antisemitism these days is the nickel-plated philo-semitism of Rapture-ready “Christians”…which is actually just a cordial form of anti-Semitism, since it postulates that Jews (Israeli or not) are deserving of divine punishment and/or not really the Chosen People.

Yep. The right will never admit it of course but a lot of their attacks on FDR and the New Deal and FDR’s foreign policy were rooted in Anti-Semitism. And you’re absolutely right about the right today when it comes to Jews and Zionism. It’s not based out of a real genuine respect or support for the Israeli people. It’s this rapture fantasy. If their scripture said otherwise, they’d be openly hostile to Jews.

66 ComradeDread  Jul 24, 2014 7:24:29pm

Well, the libertarian movement is home to more than a few neo-confederates, so this isn’t entirely shocking.

They have many revisionist history tomes out there about how Lincoln was a tyrant that oppressed the South and how the South wasn’t really engaging in treason over the ‘right’ to own people, and it was all about ‘freedom’ and ‘state’s rights’ and anyway the South totally would have ended slavery on its own, so shut up!

67 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:25:04pm
68 teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2014 7:25:11pm

Rep. Steven Smith (R - GA) having some nice banter on Twitter.

69 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:25:29pm

Just a heads up, there is this vile Anti-Semitic Twitter account @SafeenS that is getting retweeted everywhere.

I blocked & muted it a long time ago but it keeps popping up in MT’s. Uccch.

70 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:25:32pm

re: #66 ComradeDread

Well, the libertarian movement is home to more than a few neo-confederates, so this isn’t entirely shocking.

They have many revisionist history tomes out there about how Lincoln was a tyrant that oppressed the South and how the South wasn’t really engaging in treason over the ‘right’ to own people, and it was all about ‘freedom’ and ‘state’s rights’ and anyway the South totally would have ended slavery on its own, so shut up!

You want to know how to get a big silent reaction out of them, point out to them that Jefferson Davis had no problem putting down secessionist movements within the CSA.

71 StephenMeansMe  Jul 24, 2014 7:25:36pm

Well, dammit. I had thought Reason was the one kinda-sane libertarian publication. Guess I was wrong.

Libertarians and conservatives sometimes bring up how liberal or progressive causes had racist origins (minimum wage laws, for example, were originally intended to protect white workers from blacks and immigrants) but here’s the thing: those old bigots aren’t still around getting invited to “FreedomFest” or wherever.

Though in a twisted way this issue does provide a nice one-stop-shop for American paleo-libertarian bigotry, so… thanks Reason?

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:26:19pm

Had my fun for the evening, dumbass congresscritter is blocked now.

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:26:31pm

Hope the voters block his ass.

74 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 7:27:10pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

Rep. Steven Smith (R - GA) having some nice banter on Twitter.

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75 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 7:27:39pm

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord

Had my fun for the evening, dumbass congresscritter is blocked now.

I “muted” him - always wanted to hit the mute button with an asshole congressman.

76 teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2014 7:28:57pm

re: #74 jaunte

What. The. Fuck?!?

77 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:29:06pm

re: #71 StephenMeansMe

Well, dammit. I had thought Reason was the one kinda-sane libertarian publication. Guess I was wrong.

Libertarians and conservatives sometimes bring up how liberal or progressive causes had racist origins (minimum wage laws, for example, were originally intended to protect white workers from blacks and immigrants) but here’s the thing: those old bigots aren’t still around getting invited to “FreedomFest” or wherever.

Though in a twisted way this issue does provide a nice one-stop-shop for American paleo-libertarian bigotry, so… thanks Reason?

You nail it. Conservatives love to bring up that the Democratic Party was a racist party and I won’t sugar coat. It was and it’s a chapter of the party’s past that pretty much no one in the party today is proud of. But the catch as you say is those people aren’t attending liberal and Democratic political conferences. The John Birch Society meanwhile is still at CPAC. The Council of Conservative Citizens which is pretty much a descendant of the old White Citizens Councils (read the Klan without the robes and without the cross burnings) still has Republican candidates addressing it. One party and ideology seems to be able moving forward. The other seems to live in the worst parts of the past. Not to mention no right wing function is complete without Phyillis “I rail against women being outside the home despite I’ve made a living out demeaning women outside the home for over a half century” Schalfry.

78 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 7:29:24pm

re: #76 teleskiguy

Indeed.

79 sagehen  Jul 24, 2014 7:29:34pm

re: #62 The Ghost of a Flea

As is lightly touched on in the Pando article, it used to be that Israel was seen as a hotbed of dangerous leftism.

This dovetailed with the idea the FDR’s cabinet (and thus his WWII decisions) were leftist Jews, and that support of both the New Deal and the support for Israel stemmed from the latter. Slightly deeper down the same crazy path you find the people that think the whole US entry into WWII was a put-up job by internationalists (who were also Jews).

Jews have good reason to dislike FDR.

When a coalition of American Jewish leaders went to him with evidence about the extermination camps — photos, maps, written eyewitness testimony, etc — and begged him to bomb the railway lines, he brushed them off with “oh those Jews, such drama queens, I don’t even believe them.”

Turns out later, he already knew everything they were telling him. The OSS and British Intelligence had done overflights, knew what and where and how, FDR was just pretending to think it was bullshit. He kind of liked that the Nazis were spending so much time and money and manpower and materiel (and keeping the railways busy) on something other than fighting the Allied forces, he was happy for them to keep at it.

Plus, y’know, turning away ships full of desperate Jewish refugees.

FDR probably wouldn’t have supported Israel, but he was dead by then.

80 The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 24, 2014 7:29:43pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Yep. The right will never admit it of course but a lot of their attacks on FDR and the New Deal and FDR’s foreign policy were rooted in Anti-Semitism. And you’re absolutely right about the right today when it comes to Jews and Zionism. It’s not based out of a real genuine respect or support for the Israeli people. It’s this rapture fantasy. If their scripture said otherwise, they’d be openly hostile to Jews.

Read Left Behind (or Fred Clark’s chapter reviews).

Tim LaHaye is a Bircher as well as a Rapture believer, and his huge influential book smashes together the former’s international socialist banker conspiracy with the latter’s “Chosen People who aren’t really chosen anymore because they killed Jesus.” Then it throws in some old fashioned stereotypes just to be thorough.

It’s beyond cringeworthy. Jaw-dropping. Would be blackly comedic if people seriously didn’t think this way.

81 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:30:45pm

re: #79 sagehen

Jews have good reason to dislike FDR.

When a coalition of American Jewish leaders went to him with evidence about the extermination camps — photos, maps, written eyewitness testimony, etc — and begged him to bomb the railway lines, he brushed them off with “oh those Jews, such drama queens, I don’t even believe them.”

Turns out later, he already knew everything they were telling him. The OSS and British Intelligence had done overflights, knew what and where and how, FDR was just pretending to think it was bullshit. He kind of liked that the Nazis were spending so much time and money and manpower and materiel (and keeping the railways busy) on something other than fighting the Allied forces, he was happy for them to keep at it.

Plus, y’know, turning away ships full of desperate Jewish refugees.

FDR probably wouldn’t have supported Israel, but he was dead by then.

I’m actually a bigger Truman fan than FDR one. FDR had some good qualities about him but I prefer Truman.

82 StephenMeansMe  Jul 24, 2014 7:31:58pm
83 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:32:15pm

re: #80 The Ghost of a Flea

Read Left Behind (or Fred Clark’s chapter reviews).

Tim LaHaye is a Bircher as well as a Rapture believer, and his huge influential book smashes together the former’s international socialist banker conspiracy with the latter’s “Chosen People who aren’t really chosen anymore because they killed Jesus.” Then it throws in some old fashioned stereotypes just to be thorough.

It’s beyond cringeworthy. Jaw-dropping. Would be blackly comedic if people seriously didn’t think this way.

LaHaye is also rapidly anti-Catholic too. Hell, I still feel the only reason why Santorum couldn’t get by Romney was because evangelicals didn’t fully rust him as a Catholic. Wasn’t the whole reason mind you but if Santorum were an evangelical, I think he would have had a better chance.

84 The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 24, 2014 7:33:02pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

You want to know how to get a big silent reaction out of them, point out to them that Jefferson Davis had no problem putting down secessionist movements within the CSA.

Before it was the CSA the slave-holding South was built around violating the fuck out of everyone’s civil liberties w/r/t the issue of slavery.

Rights relating to speech? Religion? Press? Unlawful search and seizure? Cruel and unusual punishment?

Not if you were a suspected abolitionist.

85 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:33:56pm

re: #84 The Ghost of a Flea

The slave-holding South was built around violating the fuck out of everyone’s civil liberties w/r/t the issue of slavery.

Rights relating to speech? Religion? Press? Unlawful search and seizure? Cruel and unusual punishment?

Not if you were a suspected abolitionist.

abolitionist, unionist. That CSA document really wasn’t far off to suggest that the CSA would have been quite sympathetic to the Axis aims.

86 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 7:36:19pm

OK, I got mentioned. Must be a troll? An actual elected representative?

87 jonhendry  Jul 24, 2014 7:36:29pm

re: #13 jaunte

To be scrupulously fair, that’s clearly a 3rd party advertisement. I wouldn’t be surprised if such crankery also appeared in magazines like OMNI.

88 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 7:36:47pm
89 goddamnedfrank  Jul 24, 2014 7:37:19pm

re: #74 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Also that’s a shitty photoshop job on the t-shirt. Original image:

Stock Illustration of Stern blond woman stood outdoors with arms folded

90 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 7:38:01pm

re: #69 Pie-onist Overlord

Just a heads up, there is this vile Anti-Semitic Twitter account @SafeenS that is getting retweeted everywhere.

I blocked & muted it a long time ago but it keeps popping up in MT’s. Uccch.

Are you sure that’s the right username? It says he joined in March 2012, but there are only 3 tweets form 2013 and none are in English nor do they have pics. Maybe he deleted everything else?

91 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 7:38:12pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

OK, I got mentioned. Must be a troll? An actual elected representative?

[Embedded content]

Guys:
At Least Four National Journalists Have Been Fooled by a Fake Tea Party Congressman’s Twitter

92 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 7:38:31pm

Parody account: ledger-enquirer.com

93 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:39:32pm

re: #91 Timothy Watson

Guys:
At Least Four National Journalists Have Been Fooled by a Fake Tea Party Congressman’s Twitter

Well I feel stupid now. I googled Steve Smith and couldn’t find anyone in Congress with that name and wondered why.

94 teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2014 7:40:52pm

Damn You Parody Accounts!!!

Get Off My Lawn!

95 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 7:41:28pm
The only thing that’s “easy” is a girl who can’t pay 9 bucks for birth control.

I wouldn’t feel bad about being fooled. That’s note-perfect.

96 Romantic Heretic  Jul 24, 2014 7:41:30pm

re: #67 darthstar

[Embedded content]

@RepSmith. I don’t think it’s truth because truth doesn’t smell that bad.

97 teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2014 7:41:42pm
Georgia’s U.S. Congressional Delegation

Senate

Saxby Chambliss
Johnny Isakson

House of Representatives

District 1: Jack Kingston
District 2: Sanford Bishop
District 3: Lynn Westmoreland
District 4: Hank Johnson
District 5: John Lewis
District 6: Tom Price
District 7: Rob Woodall
District 8: Austin Scott
District 9: Doug Collins
District 10: Paul Broun
District 11: Phil Gingrey
District 12: John Barrow
District 13: David Scott
District 14: Tom Graves

98 Bubblehead II  Jul 24, 2014 7:42:15pm

Night Lizards. Sleep well.

99 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 7:43:15pm

re: #91 Timothy Watson

link no work, but mea culpa.

100 Interesting Times  Jul 24, 2014 7:44:03pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Also that’s a shitty photoshop job on the t-shirt. Original image:

Stock Illustration of Stern blond woman stood outdoors with arms folded

And once again wingnuts prove themselves adept at violating stock photo licensing terms:

Licensee may not:

9. Use Content that depicts a person as part of any use involving sensitive subjects, including, without limitation, topics that may depict the subject matter of the Content in a negative or unfavorable light, that subject persons to ridicule, that imply illegal activities, and topics regarding all sexual issues, feminine hygiene, incontinence, impotence, sexually transmitted diseases, teen pregnancy, abortion and adoption, welfare or economic aid, dating agencies, substance abuse, physical or mental abuse, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, homosexual or alternative lifestyles, political or religious affiliation, medical conditions or procedures, other health and mental health issues, or the disparagement of a person or product;

101 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 7:46:45pm

re: #100 Interesting Times

…But if I just steal it, I’m not a licensee!

102 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 7:47:47pm

Probably part of some Ole Miss doctorate thesis.

103 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 7:48:18pm

Saw this old Penny Arcade comic today while hunting for another one:

104 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 7:53:16pm

R-Gotcha.

was got. hate that, but I will learn from it. lol

105 Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2014 7:54:15pm
107 jonhendry  Jul 24, 2014 7:59:58pm

In the “blind squirrel finds a nut” category, Tokyo Rose *was* framed, and received a pardon.

108 goddamnedfrank  Jul 24, 2014 8:06:30pm
109 Blue Fielder  Jul 24, 2014 8:09:01pm

re: #103 Timothy Watson

Penny Arcade, especially their strips from way back when (when the Gamecube was still the Dolphin), are a goldmine of things that are still culturally relevant. See also “Which Console Be The Bizomb?

110 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 8:11:03pm

Gah. I didn’t know it. We have a piece on Rothbard’s racism tho.

111 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 8:11:57pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

Heh.
letsbuycnn.com

Damn…I’m just a few billion short…

Make that a few hundred-million.

112 teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2014 8:12:27pm

People are always trying to get a rise out of people on Twitter. Me? Yeah, I troll from time to time, but like this:

113 BadExampleMan  Jul 24, 2014 8:43:43pm

re: #20 b.d.

Is it wrong imagining certain current day high profile folks reading this under the covers with a flashlight when they were kids?

I’m imagining those high profile folks reading it under the covers now - and the covers bobbing up and down in a rapid rhythim motion.

114 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 25, 2014 9:30:35am

Charles Johnson,

words fail me.

115 socrets  Jul 25, 2014 6:00:19pm

Don’t you mean: FREAK Flagship?


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