Breitbart “News” Pushes Debunked ISIS FGM Story, Commenters Call for Genocide of Muslims

Torrents of hate speech follow fake story
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That bogus story about the ISIS Islamist group ordering all women to get circumcised has been debunked since early this morning, but at Breitbart “News” it’s still on their front page without any sign that it’s fake.

JIHADISTS IN IRAQ ORDER WOMEN UNDERGO GENITAL MUTILATION

That’s their whole story in the screenshot above, but at Breitbart “News” they make their money by inciting the worst right wing knuckle-draggers on the planet, and they react as expected with horrifying amounts of bigotry and hatred, threats of violence, calls for genocide, incoherent rants against Barack and Michelle Obama, and some of the worst spelling and grammar you’ll ever read.

Warning: the comments quoted below are very sick and disturbing — but make no mistake, this is the business model for many right wing media sites these days.

I wouldn’t mind doing a little genital mutilation of these Men Of God and see how they like it. Islam is a Pestilence.

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Islam is a degenerate religion.

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May America slaughter ten million pigs and spray the blood over the dead bodies of every Muslim in the world. Pigs are not filthy, Muslims are filthy. To hell with people who eat with their right hand because they use the other one to wipe their butt. Do you guys realize how backward and gross this society is? They archaic and disgusting on all levels—physical, social, religious, sexual. I hope the civilized world soon consolidates the will to take care of them once and for all.

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well, another win for our muslim president.

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Mecca delenda est!

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What do you expect from such 7th century followers of satan?

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Islam is a disease and we should work to cure the world of it.

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Indeed, their belief structure—religious or otherwise—is sick beyond belief…on par with Nazism. They only reason these animals get away with it is because their perverse ideology is classified as “religion.” I don’t care if it’s called religion, philosophy, fanaticism or whatever… They need to be dealt with, just like America dealt with Hitler and the Empire of the Sun. Muhammad was a violent, vile pervert. Anybody who follows that religion is rotten to the core. No PC police here… I refuse to say, “Islam is great, it’s just those who twist it.” B.S. Islam itself—at its core—is filthy and perverse.

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All part of Obama and the Democrat parties war on women

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Time to hunt these diseased sons of pigs down and butcher them.

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If this bit of barbarism doesn’t demonstrate the need to wage total war on Islam, nothing ever will. A new holocaust awaits, whether we want it or not.

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Hey Barry, this is what happens when Aholes like you Do Nothing.
You are an Abomination, and many Citizens in The USA are Disgusted with you.
Forget as a failure as a President, but you Are also a Failure as a man, father and husband.
You surely are One Disgusting Individual as are your administration members including the complicit silent and Propaganda main stream media.
You did nothing when ISIS was on the move andtyou continue to do nothing.
You Always do Nothing.
You are Nothing.
All you do is Bully America Domestically because you are a Pathetic person who is incapable of leading anything more than a neighborhood, if that.
The Two Time Barry Voters are also partly to blame for all of these Atrocities.

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F’n barbarians….. the only thing that is going to stop these guys is a bullet between the eyes. But Obammy is too busy playing golf.

On and on it goes like this, for more than 1800 comments so far. I had to stop because I was starting to feel ill, but this is just a tiny selection from this nauseating torrent of hate speech. And the only comments that seem to be getting deleted by their “moderators” are from… you guessed it… liberals.

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174 comments
1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 4:55:23pm

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for white male citizens of the United States who are NOT knuckledragging assholes. I realize this won’t make any difference at breitfart.com, but I feel the need.

2 TedStriker  Jul 24, 2014 4:55:37pm

3 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 4:56:27pm

The US hard right continues its search for a politically viable scapegoat.

Hopefully this quest never succeeds. If it does, I now have absolutely no doubt that a ‘made in the USA’ final solution would follow.

4 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 4:59:22pm
5 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:00:09pm

I haven’t seen the musical “Book of Mormon” but it contains this scene:

General Butt-Fucking-Naked arrives and announces his demand for the circumcision of all female villagers by week’s end (as his paranoia has led him to believe that all of the clitorises in the village will “power up” and destroy him).

“Book of Mormon” Synopsis

6 Skip Intro  Jul 24, 2014 5:00:15pm

You want sick? I mean really, really twisted hate that spews like an open sewer 24/7.

Then go no further than Fox Corporation’s Fox Nation site. This is where Fox has removed all bounds on human decency and allows the rabid mob to post with little to no moderation.

I know it’s redundant to point out, but this site is run by a major corporation that pretends to be a legit news organization.

7 b.d.  Jul 24, 2014 5:01:34pm

It must really be wearisome being so angry all of the time.

8 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:01:54pm

re: #6 Skip Intro

You want sick? I mean really, really twisted hate that spews like an open sewer 24/7.

Then go no further than Fox Corporation’s Fox Nation site. This is where Fox has removed all bounds on human decency and allows the rabid mob to post with little to no moderation.

I know it’s redundant to point out, but this site is run by a major corporation that pretends to be a legit news organization.

They know that working their faithful into a frothing frenzy of fear and hate will drive them to the polls to elect the worst the US has to offer.

9 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:02:49pm

May America Slaughter 10M pigs, make them into bacon, pork chops, ham, spare ribs, Carnitas, pulled pork, and Chile Verde, and not share ANY of it with anyone who doesn’t want it!

10 Teukka  Jul 24, 2014 5:03:17pm

re: #3 EPR-radar

The US hard right continues its search for a politically viable scapegoat.

Hopefully this quest never succeeds. If it does, I now have absolutely no doubt that a ‘made in the USA’ final solution would follow.

I dunno, I know there are some armchair warriors on the right whose past-time it is to collect identities of people to be “relocated” when “they” get into power. Sometimes my gut tells me that it is only a matter of opportunity and proper excuse to set that ball in motion.

11 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:03:20pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

May America Slaughter 10M pigs, make them into bacon, pork chops, ham, spare ribs, Carnitas, pulled pork, and Chile Verde, and not share ANY of it with anyone who doesn’t want it!

How DARE you mention those damn furriners’ dishes alongside good old American BACON!!!1!1ty

12 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:03:34pm

re: #7 b.d.

It must really be wearisome being so angry all of the time.

It’s getting damned wearisome listening to that anger all the time.

13 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:03:40pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

May America Slaughter 10M pigs, make them into bacon, pork chops, ham, spare ribs, Carnitas, pulled pork, and Chile Verde, and not share ANY of it with anyone who doesn’t want it!

I’m starting to feel sorry for the animals we eat.

14 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 5:03:41pm
15 Skip Intro  Jul 24, 2014 5:04:19pm

re: #10 Teukka

I dunno, I know there are some armchair warriors on the right whose past-time it is to collect identities of people to be “relocated” when “they” get into power. Sometimes my gut tells me that it is only a matter of opportunity and proper excuse to set that ball in motion.

They’ve got their leader. Just hope that Ted Cruz never gets elected to anything above where he is now.

16 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:05:16pm

re: #13 b_sharp

I’m starting to feel sorry for the animals we eat.

That’s odd. I’m starting to feel a bit peckish, myself.

17 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:06:07pm

re: #16 GeneJockey

That’s odd. I’m starting to feel a bit peckish, myself.

You and me too!

18 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:06:12pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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Lord, though - wouldn’t it be great if ignoring it made it go away?

19 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 5:06:40pm

Two days ago at Breitbart they called for the US to help the Kurds fight ISIS, ‘we should stop messing them around’. (Link to cached version.) However,

Female genital mutilation is prevalent in Kurdish region of Iraq, with FGM rates exceeding 80% in Garmyan and New Kirkuk

Breitbrats don’t care about women. They don’t care what happens to any woman. They only want to hate on Muslims. They’ll hate on the Kurds later, when it’s convenient.

20 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 5:06:41pm

re: #13 b_sharp

I’m starting to feel sorry for the animals we eat.

Don’t know the premise of the 2nd tweet. Just enjoy in its basic goodness.

21 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 5:06:47pm

re: #18 GeneJockey

It would be great - but it doesn’t. Ignoring it makes it worse.

22 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:07:07pm

re: #17 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You and me too!

Now I want a couple Carnitas super tacos from La Tapatia.

23 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:07:24pm

re: #16 GeneJockey

That’s odd. I’m starting to feel a bit peckish, myself.

You’re ruled by your stomach.

24 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 24, 2014 5:08:33pm

25 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:08:41pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

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Don’t know the premise of the 2nd tweet. Just enjoy in its basic goodness.

I’m a sucker for a juicy steak, followed by guilt.

26 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:08:51pm

That picture of a roast pig is just gross.

27 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 5:08:56pm

I’d like to point out that FGM is not linked to Islam. It’s a cultural thing, and in areas where it’s practiced it’s practiced by people of various faiths.

It’s also horrible patriarchal stuff.

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2014 5:09:20pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

29 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 5:09:31pm

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

That picture of a roast pig is just gross.

It’s like a treyfest.

30 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 5:09:45pm
31 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 5:09:50pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

Vegetable overdose alert!

32 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:10:10pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tease! ;)

33 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:10:14pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, at least there’s a side of carrot.

34 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2014 5:11:00pm

re: #33 GeneJockey

Well, at least there’s a side of carrot.

But carrots have feelings, too !!11!!!

35 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 5:11:27pm

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

That picture of a roast pig is just gross.

Sorry to go off topic, we’ll get back to it.

There is nothing I have ever had that’s better than a whole pig, buried under ground with coals (or whatever they do) When they pull it out, it is so tasty. I can handle how it looks and its sacrifice.

36 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:11:34pm

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

That picture of a roast pig is just gross.

I agree.

I would lose my appetite if I saw it in RL.

37 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:12:14pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

But carrots have feelings, too !!11!!!

Damn. I guess we’re left with Soylent Green, since it’s made of suicides.

38 b.d.  Jul 24, 2014 5:12:31pm

Breitbart is still dead, right?

39 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:12:42pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Sorry to go off topic, we’ll get back to it.

There is nothing I have ever had that’s better than a whole pig, buried under ground with coals (or whatever they do) When they pull it out, it is so tasty. I can handle how it looks and its sacrifice.

I have never eaten a whole pig, but I’ve seen one delivered to the table next to me. And, yeah, bacon on the hoof.

40 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:13:46pm

re: #38 b.d.

Breitbart is still dead, right?

Apparently, his shit-weasel spirit lives on with his site. To the detriment of us all.

41 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 5:14:07pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

From the article:

ISIS’s stated intent, Slotkin told members of Congress, was “we’re coming for you, Barack Obama.”

42 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:16:47pm

I think we as a society have lost something with the disconnection of “meat” from “animal”. It’s led us to thinking that somehow buying meat in the grocery store is morally superior to hunting as a source of meat, as if no REAL animals were harmed in the former.

If you eat meat, you are on the same moral plane as the butcher who slaughters it. I eat meat, because I’m okay with that.

43 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:18:24pm

re: #42 GeneJockey

I think we as a society have lost something with the disconnection of “meat” from “animal”. It’s led us to thinking that somehow buying meat in the grocery store is morally superior to hunting as a source of meat, as if no REAL animals were harmed in the former.

If you eat meat, you are on the same moral plane as the butcher who slaughters it. I eat meat, because I’m okay with that.

I have trouble because I’ve held conversations with pigs.

44 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 24, 2014 5:18:49pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Thank you Bush!

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2014 5:18:58pm

brain bleach:

46 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:19:36pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

brain bleach:

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Now, if only I had a picture of the junior fishspawn doing something similar.

47 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:19:37pm
And the only comments that seem to be getting deleted by their “moderators” are from… you guessed it… liberals.

Because libruls are the real bigots!!! #tcot #OBUMMER#twitchy

48 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:20:21pm

re: #47 Aunty Entity Dragon

Because libruls are the real bigots!!! #tcot #OBUMMER#twitchy

I’m sure that has nothing whatsoever to do with partial moderation. Nothing at all.

49 Amory Blaine  Jul 24, 2014 5:20:30pm

Someone say bacon?

50 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 5:20:49pm

re: #7 b.d.

It must really be wearisome being so angry all of the time.

They live in fear.

51 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:21:16pm

re: #44 GlutenFreeJesus

Thank you Bush!

That c plus education really did wonders for us all…

52 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:21:59pm

re: #50 jaunte

They live in fear.

I can’t. I won’t. It’s pointless to be afraid of everything all the time. All it does is raise your blood pressure, and for what purpose?

53 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:22:12pm

re: #43 b_sharp

I have trouble because I’ve held conversations with pigs.

I get that. (Assuming that you don’t mean actual speech, at least on the pigs’ part)

54 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:22:55pm

OT, and apropos of nothing, I moved my cats to my new house last night. One has seemed pretty much at home. The other stayed in the carrier all night and whined at me today when I went over. I coaxed her out of the carrier, but she still seemed skittish. I’m sure that will wear off.

Meanwhile, night 2 on the air mattress because Internet for me :)

55 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 5:23:40pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Sorry to go off topic, we’ll get back to it.

There is nothing I have ever had that’s better than a whole pig, buried under ground with coals (or whatever they do) When they pull it out, it is so tasty. I can handle how it looks and its sacrifice.

In Hawaii, it’s called Kalua pig, and it’s ono.

56 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:23:40pm

re: #52 thedopefishlives

I can’t. I won’t. It’s pointless to be afraid of everything all the time. All it does is raise your blood pressure, and for what purpose?

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Frank Herbert, Dune.

57 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:23:55pm

re: #53 GeneJockey

I get that. (Assuming that you don’t mean actual speech, at least on the pigs’ part)

I’ve spoken to them, they just grunt back.

58 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 24, 2014 5:24:07pm

re: #42 GeneJockey

I think we as a society have lost something with the disconnection of “meat” from “animal”. It’s led us to thinking that somehow buying meat in the grocery store is morally superior to hunting as a source of meat, as if no REAL animals were harmed in the former.

If you eat meat, you are on the same moral plane as the butcher who slaughters it. I eat meat, because I’m okay with that.

That’s our problem in this day and age. Most everything is processed with who knows what included. Face it. Most people don’t bother to read the ingredients. Even more couldn’t even pronounce most of what’s on the labels anyway.

Farm-to-table. Oh how I miss that during the winter months when the farmer’s markets around here aren’t happening. I actually discovered a farmer at my local market. His first year there. Pasture raised beef/chicken/pork. Had a ribeye from him a few weeks ago. The best steak I have ever had. Period.

Unfortunately he’s out of eggs for the time being. An owl has deemed his chickens easy pickin’s.

Now back OT… Screw all those Breitbart fools.

59 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:24:49pm

re: #54 Rev_Arthur_Belling

OT, and apropos of nothing, I moved my cats to my new house last night. One has seemed pretty much at home. The other stayed in the carrier all night and whined at me today when I went over. I coaxed her out of the carrier, but she still seemed skittish. I’m sure that will wear off.

Meanwhile, night 2 on the air mattress because Internet for me :)

My first night in our new house, I set up the modem while my wife went running around the neighborhood looking for furniture. She picked up two chairs, we set up our router and computers in the living room, and slept on a sleeping bag that night.

60 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 5:25:19pm

re: #56 Aunty Entity Dragon

Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

Or for some Texans this month, a little kid from Central America.

61 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:26:36pm

re: #59 thedopefishlives

My first night in our new house, I set up the modem while my wife went running around the neighborhood looking for furniture. She picked up two chairs, we set up our router and computers in the living room, and slept on a sleeping bag that night.

Yeah, my internet doesn’t move until tomorrow, so I’m still in the old house although all my stuff is in the new one. ;)

62 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 5:26:40pm

re: #60 jaunte

Or for some Texans this month, a little kid from Central America.

Jim Hoft is now calling them “illegal children.”

63 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:26:44pm

re: #58 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s our problem in this day and age. Most everything is processed with who knows what included. Face it. Most people don’t bother to read the ingredients. Even more couldn’t even pronounce most of what’s on the labels anyway.

Farm-to-table. Oh how I miss that during the winter months when the farmer’s markets around here aren’t happening. I actually discovered a farmer at my local market. His first year there. Pasture raised beef/chicken/pork. Had a ribeye from him a few weeks ago. The best steak I have ever had. Period.

Unfortunately he’s out of eggs for the time being. An owl has deemed his chickens easy pickin’s.

Now back OT… Screw all those Breitbart fools.

I htink it was sci fi author H. Beam Piper (Little Fuzzy, Space Viking, Federation, Lord Calvin of Otherwhen) who had the idea of carniculture…growing meat without the animal, per se.

There has actually been some work in that direction.

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:27:44pm

NOT THIS FUCKING STUPID MEME AGAIN.

65 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 24, 2014 5:27:59pm

Google FAIL
I’m working on WordPress, learning as fast as I can. Redesigned my day gig website top to bottom. It’s looking pretty good, but just try to Google some help on the “articles” feature. You get articles about WP. LOL.

So back to tutorials.

66 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:28:26pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft is now calling them “illegal children.”

WTF??

So we now live in the world of Gattica?? Dystopic sci fi nightmare where you go to jail for having an illegal, unregistered child?

67 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:28:35pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft is now calling them “illegal children.”

What are they little adults pretending to be children?

What a stupid comment.

They’re children. They’re seeking asylum. They’re too young to apply for legal immigrant status.

68 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:28:45pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

NOT THIS FUCKING STUPID MEME AGAIN.

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What, she doesn’t WORK? Does she think her boss provides her WAGES for free?

69 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 5:28:46pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

WomenInControl

Hello Orwell.

70 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 5:29:02pm
71 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 5:29:17pm

I like this one too:

“La Virgen de las Calles” by Ester Hernandez, 2001. | Courtesy Of Ester Hernandez.

72 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 5:30:52pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

How do these pinheads respond to a proposal to allow employers to refuse to cover insurance for erectile dysfunction?

73 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 5:32:36pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

NOT THIS FUCKING STUPID MEME AGAIN.

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These memes do not go away. They metastasize.

74 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:33:42pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

These memes do not go away. They metastasize.

Like calling Sandra Fluke a slut for wanting to talk about her sick roommate who needed the pill for hormone problems.

75 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:35:07pm

re: #74 Aunty Entity Dragon

Like calling Sandra Fluke a slut for wanting to talk about her sick roommate who needed the pill for hormone problems.

Context?

What context?

76 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 5:35:12pm

re: #74 Aunty Entity Dragon

Like calling Sandra Fluke a slut for wanting to talk about her sick roommate who needed the pill for hormone problems.

Yep…they morph and attack in different ways and move to and from different targets.

77 Skip Intro  Jul 24, 2014 5:35:41pm

One more reason why we can’t have nice things.

The F-35 Fighter Jet Is A Historic $1 Trillion Disaster

Read more: businessinsider.com

But it’s too big to fail, even though it has failed again and again and again.

Some of the things we could use that money for instead.

1) Tax cuts for the rich. JUST KIDDING!

78 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:38:06pm

re: #77 Skip Intro

One more reason why we can’t have nice things.

The F-35 Fighter Jet Is A Historic $1 Trillion Disaster

Read more: businessinsider.com

But it’s too big to fail, even though it has failed again and again and again.

Some of the things we could use that money for instead.

1) Tax cuts for the rich. JUST KIDDING!

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Yeah, but if we spend another $1e12, we can fix it!
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79 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:39:20pm

re: #78 GeneJockey

Yeah, but if we spend another $1e12, we can fix it!
//

None of that scientific notation dude. The wingnuts might think it means something else.

80 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:39:38pm

re: #77 Skip Intro

One more reason why we can’t have nice things.

The F-35 Fighter Jet Is A Historic $1 Trillion Disaster

Read more: businessinsider.com

But it’s too big to fail, even though it has failed again and again and again.

Some of the things we could use that money for instead.

1) Tax cuts for the rich. JUST KIDDING!

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I think this is one that Obama really screwed up. He killed the F-22 back in 2009… which works…and bet it all on this debacle. Of course, the Air Force refused any more F-15E Strike Eagles after Gulf War 1, even though congress would have given them as many as possible…because everything had to be triple priced stealth.

Wonderful.

81 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:40:20pm

re: #75 b_sharp

Context?

What context?

If you want contraception to be cheaply available, it must be because you’re a slut. You know, it’s like when you defend marriage equality, or LGBT rights, you must be doing it because you’re gay.

82 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:40:51pm

re: #79 b_sharp

re: #77 Skip Intro

You should see the people on Foxtrot Alpha (Gawker’s military site) defending it. It’s really kind of awesome in a rubber-necking-past-a-wreck kind of way.

83 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:42:16pm

re: #82 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You should see the people on Foxtrot Alpha (Gawker’s military site) defending it. It’s really kind of awesome in a rubber-necking-past-a-wreck kind of way.

“You know, the Edsel was actually a really nice car!”

84 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:42:29pm

re: #80 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think this is one that Obama really screwed up. He killed the F-22 back in 2009… which works…and bet it all on this debacle. Of course, the Air Force refused any more F-15E Strike Eagles after Gulf War 1, even though congress would have given them as many as possible…because everything had to be triple priced stealth.

Wonderful.

There’s something to be said for technological upgrades, but the F-35 is trying to do too much all at once and failing at all of it. The F-22, at least, was a capable replacement for the F-15, if a bit spendy.

85 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:42:55pm

re: #83 GeneJockey

“You know, the Edsel was actually a really nice car!”

Except the Edsel really was a nice car! :)

86 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:43:14pm

Why was the F22 killed & the F35 chosen?

87 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:43:41pm

re: #86 b_sharp

Why was the F22 killed & the F35 chosen?

We’ll file this under “Reasons” :)

88 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:43:58pm

re: #86 b_sharp

Why was the F22 killed & the F35 chosen?

Because international cooperation and the promise of unifying American fighter power in one aircraft. Plus the right wing has an inexplicable hardon for the damn thing.

89 Khal Wimpo  Jul 24, 2014 5:43:59pm

re: #63 Aunty Entity Dragon

I htink it was sci fi author H. Beam Piper (Little Fuzzy, Space Viking, Federation, Lord Calvin of Otherwhen) who had the idea of carniculture…growing meat without the animal, per se.

There has actually been some work in that direction.

Actually, K.W. Jeter had a couple of books featuring that as a main plot device; there was a giant glob of brainless chicken protein being grown in a vat. Called “Chicken Little,” every day the workers would just carve off slices of it and pack them.

Not sure if I would prefer that to the absolute atrocity that is factory farming or not.

90 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:44:57pm

re: #89 Khal Wimpo

Actually, K.W. Jeter had a couple of books featuring that as a main plot device; there was a giant glob of brainless chicken protein being grown in a vat. Called “Chicken Little,” every day the workers would just carve off slices of it and pack them.

Not sure if I would prefer that to the absolute atrocity that is factory farming or not.

Sounds like Bill Cosby’s “Chicken Heart” routine.

91 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 5:45:16pm

I knew this story was BS the minute I saw it this morning, not because ISIS lacks the brutality to do something so sickening, but because (as has already been pointed out) it’s not a practice that has its roots in Islam. They wouldn’t be able to back it up with anything Islamic, no matter how much they cherry-picked & distorted things. Also, it was another one of those stories like puppy bombs, sex jihad, or Egypt’s “farewell intercourse” law that supposedly sanctioned necrophilia with a dead spouse—it’s just too way out there.

Also, like Syria, Iraq is basically in the middle of a civil war, so the various factions are going to be putting out all kinds of disinformation to try and scare or sway the citizenry and set the media on their opponents.

In any event I didn’t bother jumping in as the MWW was on duty and figured it might appear that I was acting as an apologist for Muslim extremists, especially since even mainstream outlets like the BBC were running with it. When will they learn? Oh right, I forgot—it’s no longer about actual journalism, it’s about clicks. *sigh, smh*

92 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:45:51pm

re: #85 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Except the Edsel really was a nice car! :)

Hey! Whose side are you on?
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93 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:46:10pm

re: #84 thedopefishlives

There’s something to be said for technological upgrades, but the F-35 is trying to do too much all at once and failing at all of it. The F-22, at least, was a capable replacement for the F-15, if a bit spendy.

Something else is the problem that the Air Force wanted only Lockheed to do fighters from here out…and Lockheed made sure that vendors for this project were distributed across the country in the right congressional districts to make it impossible to kill.

Never underestimate the power of inertia in the AF fighter mafia. They managed to kill the close support fighter requirment (100 COIN platforms that could supplement or replace the A-10) from the last Sec Def.

94 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:46:29pm

re: #92 GeneJockey

Hey! Whose side are you on?
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The side of “cars not bombs” :)

95 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 5:47:39pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

I knew this story was BS the minute I saw it this morning, not because ISIS lacks the brutality to do something so sickening, but because (as has already been pointed out) it’s not a practice that has its roots in Islam. They wouldn’t be able to back it up with anything Islamic, no matter how much they cherry-picked & distorted things. Also, it was another one of those stories like puppy bombs, sex jihad, or Egypt’s “farewell intercourse” law that supposedly sanctioned necrophilia with a dead spouse—it’s just too way out there.

Also, like Syria, Iraq is basically in the middle of a civil war, so the various factions are going to be putting out all kinds of disinformation to try and scare or sway the citizenry and set the media on their opponents.

In any event I didn’t bother jumping in as the MWW was on duty and figured it might appear that I was acting as an apologist for Muslim extremists, especially since even mainstream outlets like the BBC were running with it. When will they learn? Oh right, I forgot—it’s no longer about actual journalism, it’s about clicks. *sigh, smh*

MWW? I’m thick.

96 dog philosopher  Jul 24, 2014 5:47:50pm

On the night and early hours of February 20-21, 1954, while on a ‘vacation’ to Palm Springs, California, President Dwight Eisenhower went missing and allegedly was taken to Edwards Air force base for a secret meeting. When he showed up the next morning at a church service in Los Angeles, reporters were told that he had to have emergency dental treatment the previous evening and had visited a local dentist. The dentist later appeared at a function that evening and presented as the ‘dentist’ who had treated Eisenhower. The missing night and morning has subsequently fueled rumors that Eisenhower was using the alleged dentist visit as a cover story for an extraordinary event. The event is possibly the most significant that any American President could have conducted: an alleged ‘First Contact’ meeting with extraterrestrials at Edwards Air Force base (previously Muroc Airfield), and the beginning of a series of meetings with different extraterrestrial races that led to a ‘treaty’ that was eventually signed. This astonishing First Contact event, if it occurred, will experience its 50th anniversary on February 20-21, 2004.

republicans have been earnestly studying this document in an attempt to duplicate the literate and confidently relaxed tone it manages given the quality of its content

97 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:47:57pm

re: #86 b_sharp

Why was the F22 killed & the F35 chosen?

You would have to ask the President on that one, but I think it had to do with the F-22 not being an anti terror kind of weapon and that is what we are focused on.

Unfortunately, if we fight a peer competitor (cough cough China invading Taiwan)in the near future, we could be in real trouble.

98 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:49:25pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

I knew this story was BS the minute I saw it this morning, not because ISIS lacks the brutality to do something so sickening, but because (as has already been pointed out) it’s not a practice that has its roots in Islam. They wouldn’t be able to back it up with anything Islamic, no matter how much they cherry-picked & distorted things. Also, it was another one of those stories like puppy bombs, sex jihad, or Egypt’s “farewell intercourse” law that supposedly sanctioned necrophilia with a dead spouse—it’s just too way out there.

Also, like Syria, Iraq is basically in the middle of a civil war, so the various factions are going to be putting out all kinds of disinformation to try and scare or sway the citizenry and set the media on their opponents.

In any event I didn’t bother jumping in as the MWW was on duty and figured it might appear that I was acting as an apologist for Muslim extremists, especially since even mainstream outlets like the BBC were running with it. When will they learn? Oh right, I forgot—it’s no longer about actual journalism, it’s about clicks. *sigh, smh*

Actually, there are fatwas that demand FGM and fatwas that condemn it. People tend to cherry pick whatever suits them.

99 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 5:49:44pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

MWW? I’m thick.

morning wingnut wave—shhh, don’t repeat it three times… //

100 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:49:57pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

I knew this story was BS the minute I saw it this morning, not because ISIS lacks the brutality to do something so sickening, but because (as has already been pointed out) it’s not a practice that has its roots in Islam. They wouldn’t be able to back it up with anything Islamic, no matter how much they cherry-picked & distorted things.

Keep fighting the good fight. I saw the story, but didn’t comment, because it seemed so outrageous. Hang in there.

101 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 5:50:23pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

sorry and thanks.

HA

102 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:50:26pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

I knew this story was BS the minute I saw it this morning, not because ISIS lacks the brutality to do something so sickening, but because (as has already been pointed out) it’s not a practice that has its roots in Islam. They wouldn’t be able to back it up with anything Islamic, no matter how much they cherry-picked & distorted things. Also, it was another one of those stories like puppy bombs, sex jihad, or Egypt’s “farewell intercourse” law that supposedly sanctioned necrophilia with a dead spouse—it’s just too way out there.

You know what those stories remind me of? Something I read about anthropologists looking for cannibals. Each group they’d meet as they went upriver would say, “Yeah, the tribe just upriver are cool, but the NEXT guys after that? Cannibals.” Each group would say that, but no matter how far upriver they went, they never found actual cannibals. It’s REAL easy to pin the worst atrocity you can imagine on some group you don’t know, especially if they’re actually a lot like you.

103 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:50:45pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

You would have to ask the President on that one, but I think it had to do with the F-22 not being anti terror kind of weapon and that is what we are focused on.

Unfortunately, if we fight a peer competitor in the near future, we could be in real trouble.

I’ll disagree with that. The Super Hornet, the Eagle, and the Falcon are still perfectly capable planes.

104 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 5:53:25pm

Out for the evening Lizards, BBL

105 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 5:53:34pm

re: #98 Aunty Entity Dragon

Actually, there are fatwas that demand FGM and fatwas that condemn it. People tend to cherry pick whatever suits them.

Are you sure? Can you give me an example of a fatwa demanding it so I can see what dalil it was supposedly based on?

106 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 5:54:40pm

re: #103 thedopefishlives

I’ll disagree with that. The Super Hornet, the Eagle, and the Falcon are still perfectly capable planes.

I wonder if we’re asymptotically approaching infinite spending for zero gain here. Maybe the only way to build a better fighter is to just go ahead and build Colonial Vipers….

107 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:55:04pm

Wasn’t the F-22 more capable than the F-35?

108 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:55:36pm

re: #103 thedopefishlives

I’ll disagree with that. The Super Hornet, the Eagle, and the Falcon are still perfectly capable planes.

They are aging (an F-15 came apart in mid air a couple years ago from metal fatigue) and Russia is selling new 4th Gen advanced fighters to anybody with the cash, and we can expect they will do the same with their 5th Gen fighters as soon as they come on line. We may actually see situations where we simply get swamped in air combat…and we haven’t seen that since WWII.

109 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:55:49pm

re: #107 b_sharp

Wasn’t the F-22 more capable than the F-35?

Not necessarily. The F-35 has the potential to be more versatile. Wikipedia also describes it as “lower cost”, but come on.

110 thedopefishlives  Jul 24, 2014 5:57:18pm

re: #108 Aunty Entity Dragon

They are aging (an F-15 came apart in mid air a couple years ago from metal fatigue) and Russia is selling new 4th Gen advanced fighters to anybody with the cash, and we can expect they will do the same with their 5th Gen fighters as soon as they come on line. We may actually see situations where we simply get swamped in air combat…and we haven’t seen that since WWII.

The Super Hornets, at least, are new. We have F-22’s on hand, though not in the quantities we have F-15’s. We’re not out of the fight yet. However, we are spending way too much for too little benefit on our 5th-generation equipment.

111 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 5:57:19pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

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I like this one too:

“La Virgen de las Calles” by Ester Hernandez, 2001. | Courtesy Of Ester Hernandez.

Very cool—reminds me of home. I’ll have to check her out

112 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:57:48pm

The opposition is bitching about the F-35 up here. The costs keep going up but they never make it here.

We have a number of F-18s but not one F-35.

113 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 5:58:22pm

Just a random thought while I’m thinking it…

On the subject of supporting LGF and showing gratitude for all the great political discussion and extra coded goodies that Charles provides for us:

Do remember (hopefully as often as I’ve forgotten) to come here and click through to Amazon when you’re shopping online, as our host gets some benefit from the Amazon Associate button when you do. It’s on my mind because this week I had to make a largish photography equipment purchase for my company, and (at the last minute) remembered to go get it that way.

/end public service announcement

114 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 5:59:22pm

re: #105 CuriousLurker

Are you sure? Can you give me an example of a fatwa demanding it so I can see what dalil it was supposedly based on?

Hmm.

According to the Muslim Women’s League:

“Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or Tradition of the Prophet:

‘Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut too severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband’.” 1,8

religioustolerance.org

Some of what I have seen involved televised interviews with local religious leaders who supported FGM. To be honest, I don’t think many of them could base the opinion on anything but their own redolent bullshit.

115 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 5:59:27pm

I really think the Canuck fighters should have beavers painted on them.

116 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:01:20pm

Ooooh, Not sure if a repeat, but on CNN the 60’s it’s the Apollo flights.

117 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 6:01:32pm

re: #114 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hmm.

religioustolerance.org

Some of what I have seen involved televised interviews with local religious leaders who supported FGM. To be honest, I don’t think many of them could base the opinion on anything but their own redolent bullshit.

more here: en.wikipedia.org

118 GeneJockey  Jul 24, 2014 6:02:45pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Ooooh, Not sure if a repeat, but on CNN the 60’s it’s the Apollo flights.

Here’s a sobering thought - within a relatively few years, no living human will have set foot on the moon. That is unutterably sad.

119 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:03:20pm

re: #118 GeneJockey

Here’s a sobering thought - within a relatively few years, no living human will have set foot on the moon. That is unutterably sad.

It’s great so far. Starting with Sputnik.

120 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 6:03:24pm

re: #115 b_sharp

I really think the Canuck fighters should have beavers painted on them.

We killed off a fantastic Canadian jet fighter back in the late 50’s. The CF-105 Avro Arrow. Beautiful, well designed fighter.

The Canucks got stuck with the F-101 Voodoo. Not so great.

121 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:03:50pm

GAH

122 ausador  Jul 24, 2014 6:04:52pm

WTFITS?

Such sharp satirical wit…not!

When He Says “No”: Denying A Woman Sex Is Rape.
by Anne Gus

Seriously, I…just don’t have the words…

123 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 6:05:03pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

more here: en.wikipedia.org

Thanks, but this topic gets my blood pressure up enough as it is. This is one that I do get angry about, and I argued with my anthropology prof regularly about it.

124 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 6:06:06pm

Out for now. Good night, lizard friends.

125 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 6:06:36pm

re: #123 Aunty Entity Dragon

Thanks, but this topic gets my blood pressure up enough as it is. This is one that I do get angry about, and I argued with my anthropology prof regularly about it.

It’s a tough one. It’s kind of easy to become detached when it’s happening to poor brown people on the other side of the planet.

126 TedStriker  Jul 24, 2014 6:06:49pm

re: #113 jaunte

Just a random though while I’m thinking it…

On the subject of supporting LGF and showing gratitude for all the great political discussion and extra coded goodies that Charles provides for us:

Do remember (hopefully as often as I’ve forgotten) to come here and click through to Amazon when you’re shopping online, as our host gets some benefit from the Amazon Associate button when you do. It’s on my mind because this week I had to make a largish photography equipment purchase for my company, and (at the last minute) remembered to go get it that way.

/end public service announcement

Also, Amazon has a relatively new program called Amazon Smile, where you can choose a charity to receive a donation from Amazon when purchasing eligible items. Me, as a Scouter, I have my charity set to be my local BSA council.

I wonder if they’ll let you do the Associates links while shopping through Smile…

127 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 6:07:27pm

re: #113 jaunte

Just a random thought while I’m thinking it…

On the subject of supporting LGF and showing gratitude for all the great political discussion and extra coded goodies that Charles provides for us:

Do remember (hopefully as often as I’ve forgotten) to come here and click through to Amazon when you’re shopping online, as our host gets some benefit from the Amazon Associate button when you do. It’s on my mind because this week I had to make a largish photography equipment purchase for my company, and (at the last minute) remembered to go get it that way.

/end public service announcement

Thanks!

128 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:07:52pm

re: #120 Aunty Entity Dragon

We killed off a fantastic Canadian jet fighter back in the late 50’s. The CF-105 Avro Arrow. Beautiful, well designed fighter.

The Canucks got stuck with the F-101 Voodoo. Not so great.

I saw a few of the surviving pieces of the CF-105 in a museum in Ottawa.

Avro Arrow Nose

It getting canceled was pretty much the death of the native Canadian aviation industry in terms of high-speed military aircraft.

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2014 6:08:18pm

re: #126 TedStriker

Also, Amazon has a relatively new program called Amazon Smile, where you can choose a charity to receive a donation from Amazon when purchasing eligible items.

I wonder if they’ll let you do the Associates links while shopping through Smile…

It does for me. My Amazon Smile charity is Planned Parenthood of Louisville.

130 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 6:08:28pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

You’re welcome, I hope it does some good. Thanks for all the effort you’re putting in.

131 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 6:09:02pm

re: #120 Aunty Entity Dragon

We killed off a fantastic Canadian jet fighter back in the late 50’s. The CF-105 Avro Arrow. Beautiful, well designed fighter.

The Canucks got stuck with the F-101 Voodoo. Not so great.

I used to have a plastic model of the CF-105 and the F-101

132 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 6:09:20pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

It’s a tough one. It’s kind of easy to become detached when it’s happening to poor brown people on the other side of the planet.

Right when she commented that she experiences the OPPOSITE of detachment when the subject comes up. That was pretty rude.

133 b_sharp  Jul 24, 2014 6:09:42pm

re: #128 Feline Fearless Leader

I saw a few of the surviving pieces of the CF-105 in a museum in Ottawa.

Avro Arrow Nose

It getting canceled was pretty much the death of the native Canadian aviation industry in terms of high-speed military aircraft.

Now we’re stuck with Bombardier.

134 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 6:11:23pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

Right when she commented that she experiences the OPPOSITE of detachment when the subject comes up. That was pretty rude.

I didn’t take it that way.

135 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 6:11:44pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

Right when she commented that she experiences the OPPOSITE of detachment when the subject comes up. That was pretty rude.

Her professor is the detached one. Academics can be like that.

136 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 6:11:45pm

re: #134 Aunty Entity Dragon

I didn’t take it that way.

OK, good.

137 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 6:11:59pm

re: #114 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hmm.

religioustolerance.org

IIRC, that hadith given by the Muslim Women’s League is considered “weak” (i.e. having poor authenticity, a weak chain of transmission).

Even if it wasn’t weak, you’d have to take context into consideration—we’d be talking about 7th century Arabia and the Prophet (pbuh) trying to get people stop or at least mitigate the harm caused by an existing cultural practice with roots going back to Pharaonic times. Why not just outlaw it? I don’t know—like I said, the hadith is considered weak, AFAIK.

Some of what I have seen involved televised interviews with local religious leaders who supported FGM. To be honest, I don’t think many of them could base the opinion on anything but their own redolent bullshit.

Indeed. This seems much more likely.

138 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 6:12:21pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

It’s a tough one. It’s kind of easy to become detached when it’s happening to poor brown people on the other side of the planet.

Do you have any regrets about falling for the bogus Breitbart story?

139 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 24, 2014 6:12:22pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is that a carrot along side? Glad you’re eating your veggies.

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:12:32pm

Todd Starnes is fucking demented

141 goddamnedfrank  Jul 24, 2014 6:13:08pm

re: #86 b_sharp

Why was the F22 killed & the F35 chosen?

1.) The F22 was considered too technically advanced to sell to our allies, even though Japan and Australia basically begged for it. We were afraid of it falling into the wrong hands, which was a pretty idiotic concern considering the advances in recent years in gallium nitride based radar and digital radar memory jamming technology.

2.) The F22 was considered too expensive. This was before the insane problems and cost overruns made the F35 even more expensive.

3.) The Pentagon wanted a fighter that Marines, Air Force and Navy could all fly. A variant for US Air Force. B for Marines and exports to allies that have short deck carriers, basically a replacement for the Harrier. And C variant for US Navy. They wanted this cross service requirement because they were too stupid to remember the lessons learned from the F-111 Aardvark.

Basically the whole thing is a total boondoggle at this point. We would have been much better off simply keeping the F-22 production line running with export sales.

My only prayer is that the F35 cost overruns are all just a black book accounting trick to hide the fact that the Pentagon has secretly been developing a fleet of Voltrons.

142 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 6:13:16pm

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

Mrs. Obama: “The man behind 9/11 was still on the loose. This is what Barack walked into on day one as president.”

Nothing untrue there.

143 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 6:13:22pm

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

Surprising nobody, Todd Starnes can’t handle the truth.

144 Kragar  Jul 24, 2014 6:13:33pm

To: Breitbart

BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

From: Breitbart

145 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:14:14pm

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

Todd Starnes is fucking demented

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No, Todd what’s shameful is you.

146 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 6:14:22pm

No kitteh tonight, I was busy making a Page.

Later, lizards.

147 Skip Intro  Jul 24, 2014 6:14:35pm

re: #112 b_sharp

The opposition is bitching about the F-35 up here. The costs keep going up but they never make it here.

We have a number of F-18s but not one F-35.

One part is ready to go.

“Magic Helmet” for F-35 ready for delivery

A steal at only $600,000 a copy (plus software).

148 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 6:14:41pm

Before I go, I will mention this:

My spouse confronted a Sudanese woman at a Walgreens where she worked. The woman was looking for an old fashioned straight razor, and my spouse guessed real quick what that was going to be used for. She informed the woman that female circumcision was felony child abuse in the United States and that she was calling the police immediately. The women fled, but my spouse got her car plate and called the police.

For whatever it’s worth.

149 goddamnedfrank  Jul 24, 2014 6:14:48pm

re: #107 b_sharp

Wasn’t the F-22 more capable than the F-35?

Yes and no. The F-22 is a pure air superiority fighter. It sucks at ground attack compared to the F-35. However the F-35 in turn sucks at ground attack vs. the much cheaper and more durable A-10 Warthog.

150 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2014 6:15:29pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Her professor is the detached one. Academics can be like that.

He was from Kenya. He saw nothing worng with it at all as it was normal in his culture.

151 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:16:10pm

re: #143 EPR-radar

Surprising nobody, Todd Starnes can’t handle the truth.

Seriously if McCain, Bush, or Romney had gotten OBL, Todd would want demand immediate enshrinement on Mount Rushmore but because Michelle has the nerve to bring up the fact that OBL remained a fugitive for the entire Bush presidency in spite of the tough cowboy rhetoric. He just can’t handle the fact that Obama has done more to prevent future 9/11’s than Bush did or Romney or McCain would have.

152 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 6:17:46pm

re: #148 Aunty Entity Dragon

Before I go, I will mention this:

My spouse confronted a Sudanese woman at a Walgreens where she worked. The woman was looking for an old fashioned straight razor, and my spouse guessed real quick what that was going to be used for. She informed the woman that female circumcision was felony child abuse in the United States and that she was calling the police immediately. The women fled, but my spouse got her car plate and called the police.

For whatever it’s worth.

Sadly, the practice is still very prevalent in parts of Africa, but just because people do it doesn’t mean it’s officially sanctioned (other than maybe by some local yahoo who’s issuing his own fatwas based on God knows what).

153 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 6:18:01pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Too true. By now I think the Bush administration decision to not prioritize going after OBL was essentially political —- fear is very useful for the US right.

154 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 6:18:05pm

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

You never see pictures of Todd Starnes like this:

155 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:19:46pm

re: #138 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Do you have any regrets about falling for the bogus Breitbart story?

Ya, and taking the blog in that false direction with glee.

156 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:19:55pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

Too true. By now I think the Bush administration decision to not prioritize going after OBL was essentially political —- fear is very useful for the US right.

I do agree. The US right needs fear. And it’s how Iraq was sold sadly.

157 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:21:11pm

re: #142 jaunte

Nothing untrue there.

Wait, who?

158 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 6:22:00pm

re: #150 Aunty Entity Dragon

He was from Kenya. He saw nothing worng with it at all as it was normal in his culture.

Ugh, that’s different

159 jaunte  Jul 24, 2014 6:22:49pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Michelle Obama was speaking the truth, so I don’t know why Todd Starnes thinks that’s ‘shameful.’

160 EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2014 6:23:14pm

re: #150 Aunty Entity Dragon

He was from Kenya. He saw nothing worng with it at all as it was normal in his culture.

An anthropology professor should be one of the last people to be blinded by what’s considered acceptable in his own culture.

161 goddamnedfrank  Jul 24, 2014 6:25:14pm

The only real saving grace I’ve heard of regarding the F-35 is purely hypothetical but may bear fruit in the near future. The area that houses the lifter fan on the B variant can theoretically be repurposed to house a solid state laser powered directly off of the same mechanical linkage to the main turbine. Lots of advances in SSL devices coming down the pipe and such an aircraft could theoretically serve multiple useful roles.

162 Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2014 6:26:08pm

re: #159 jaunte

stupid misread. gracias!

163 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:26:10pm

re: #159 jaunte

Michelle Obama was speaking the truth, so I don’t know why Todd Starnes thinks that’s ‘shameful.’

It’s “shameful” to point out that Barack Obama has been more effective president when it comes to preventing terrorist attacks than George W. President. The truth just hurts Todd because he’s lied himself to sleep for years telling himself that Democrats don’t care about national security and defense.

164 sagehen  Jul 24, 2014 6:30:20pm

re: #72 EPR-radar

How do these pinheads respond to a proposal to allow employers to refuse to cover insurance for erectile dysfunction?

They actually have a (stupid) answer to that one.

“Erectile dysfunction drugs is to fix something that doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to. Contraception is to prevent something from working exactly as it should.”

They’re really obsessed with the idea that there’s something freaky about a woman wanting to have non-reproductive sex. (and again I ask… what sort of creepy weird marriages do these people have that they’re so unfamiliar with that concept!!?!?!)

165 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 6:32:18pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

more here: en.wikipedia.org

*SIGH* Looks liked I’m going to have to do a Page on FGM with links real life studies & reports rather than Wikipedia stuff.

Of course, a number of those reports are by UNICEF & WHO, so I realize you may not accept their results since the UN is supposedly in cahoots with radical Islamists & terrorists (at least in Gaza, according to what you were saying earlier).

Gawd, this gets tiresome.

166 sagehen  Jul 24, 2014 6:33:28pm

re: #89 Khal Wimpo

Actually, K.W. Jeter had a couple of books featuring that as a main plot device; there was a giant glob of brainless chicken protein being grown in a vat. Called “Chicken Little,” every day the workers would just carve off slices of it and pack them.

Not sure if I would prefer that to the absolute atrocity that is factory farming or not.

I can’t remember the author, but a sci-fi I once read had people eating CHON food — carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen, mined from asteroids, assembled by nanotech into edible stuff that could be shaped and flavored to suit.

167 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 6:35:47pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

*SIGH* Looks liked I’m going to have to do a Page on FGM with links real life studies & reports rather than Wikipedia stuff.

Of course, a number of those reports are by UNICEF & WHO, so I realize you may not accept their results since the UN is supposedly in cahoots with radical Islamists & terrorists (at least in Gaza, according to what you were saying earlier).

Gawd, this gets tiresome.

Suit yourself but remember the initial reports of the ISIS story came from the UN. It may be a false report but the UN said they’re looking into it. BBC speculated that it might have been a year old fatwa that’s just now getting attention or it might be total BS. There’s a lot of BS coming out of Syria and Iraq these days.

168 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 7:02:29pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

Do you read your own links? FGM is a generally African tradition, it’s not something generally associated with Middle East Islamic fundamentalism.

169 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 7:04:47pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

Suit yourself but remember the initial reports of the ISIS story came from the UN. It may be a false report but the UN said they’re looking into it. BBC speculated that it might have been a year old fatwa that’s just now getting attention or it might be total BS. There’s a lot of BS coming out of Syria and Iraq these days.

KT, if the story was about Boko Haram and coming out of Nigeria, where FGM is widely practiced—more so in Christian areas than Muslim ones—then I might be willing to entertain the possibility of it being true.

Though FGM is practiced in more than 28 countries in Africa and a few scattered communities worldwide, its burden is seen in Nigeria, Egypt, Mali, Eritrea, Sudan, Central African Republic, and northern part of Ghana where it has been an old traditional and cultural practice of various ethnic groups. The highest prevalence rates are found in Somalia and Djibouti where FGM is virtually universal.

FGM is widely practiced in Nigeria, and with its large population, Nigeria has the highest absolute number of cases of FGM in the world, accounting for about one-quarter of the estimated 115-130 million circumcised women worldwide. In Nigeria, FGM has the highest prevalence in the south-south (77%) (among adult women), followed by the south east (68%) and south west (65%), but practiced on a smaller scale in the north, paradoxically tending to in a more extreme form. […]

In Nigeria, of the six largest ethnic groups, the Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Ibo, Ijaw, and Kanuri, only the Fulani do not practice any form.

FGM varies from country to country, tribes, religion, and from one state and cultural setting to another, and no continent in the world has been exempted. In most parts of Nigeria, it is carried out at a very young age (minors) and there is no possibility of the individual’s consent. Type I and Type II are more widespread and less harmful compared to Type III and Type IV. In Nigeria, there is greater prevalence of Type I excision in the south, with extreme forms of FGM prevalent in the North. Practice of FGM has no relationship with religion. Muslims and Christians practice it, but it is more widely spread in Christian predominated parts of Nigeria. […]

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

As wrenchwench already pointed out, FGM in Iraq is prevalent in Kurdish areas, not the rest of the country, so it’s highly unlikely that they’d have any luck trying to implement something like that.

In countries with very low FGM/C prevalence at the national
level (Group 5), the practice is concentrated within a few select geographic areas. For example, data from Iraq show that FGM/C is only practised in a few northern regions, including Erbil and Sulaymaniyah, where the majority of girls and women have undergone the procedure (see Map 4.6); it is practically non-existent in other areas of the country.

Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting: A statistical overview and exploration of the dynamics of change (PDF - chapter 4, page 30)
UNICEF, July 2013

Anyway, you can go on being as ignorant & gullible as you want. I’m not taking time to post this stuff to educate you as you’ve proven on many occasions you’re not interested, I’m posting it to counteract the constant flow of misinformation, disinformation, and innuendo that’s still seeps in here regularly courtesy of you and a couple of others.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 7:36:13pm

re: #168 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Do you read your own links? FGM is a generally African tradition, it’s not something generally associated with Middle East Islamic fundamentalism.

KT wasn’t the first person to post a link to that story this morning in a comment.

171 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 7:37:42pm

re: #170 Feline Fearless Leader

KT wasn’t the first person to post a link to that story this morning in a comment.

I’m more just baffled by his ignorance about the subject while simultaneously posting wikipedia links that show how unlikely the story was.

172 Bubblehead II  Jul 24, 2014 7:40:36pm

Night Lizards. Sleep well.

173 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 24, 2014 8:26:46pm

Charles Johnson,

Unfortunately this is to be expected from the bigots in the “counter Jihad.” Really glad that the story was debunked through, we had enough reason to feel bad for the Iraqi people before this.

174 CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2014 8:34:02pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

Suit yourself but remember the initial reports of the ISIS story came from the UN.

Addendum: If you’d actually read the stuff that people take the time to post, you’d know that the UN official, Jacqueline Badcock, fell for a story rumor hoax that originated on Twitter, FFS. From the ThinkProgress article Charles posted about the debunking, fifth paragraph:

NPR’s Cairo bureau chief also claimed that the story was false, tweeting “#UN statement that #SIS issued fatwa calling 4 FGM 4 girls is false residents of Mosul say including a doctor, journalist and tribal leader.” Not long after a version of a document in Arabic, bearing the black logo that ISIS has adopted, began circulating on Twitter. The document, those who shared it said, is a hoax and the basis for the United Nations’ claim.


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