1 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 12:54:24pm

The entire Ferguson PD needs to be suspended and put on review at this point.

2 Schadenboner  Aug 15, 2014 12:55:59pm

Why, exactly, did they feel the need to pull out a long gun after the subject was dead?

3 klys  Aug 15, 2014 12:56:12pm

From the tweets, the shooting happened at roughly 12:02-12:03. From the timeline from the PD, second officer arrived on scene at 12:04.

4 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 12:56:22pm

More witnesses showing up every day, but still we’re supposed to accept the cop’s version of events as filtered through his superiors, as he’s already hauled ass out of town and his report is being withheld so as not to “influence witnesses.”

Yegods, what a clusterfuck.

5 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 12:57:04pm

re: #2 Schadenboner

Why, exactly, did they feel the need to pull out a long gun after the suspect was dead?

Because black people are animals, now shuddup.

6 Craigo  Aug 15, 2014 12:59:11pm

Q: from behind?
A: the first two was, he next 5 weren’t, he turned around

Christ.

7 stpaulbear  Aug 15, 2014 1:00:20pm

re: #2 Schadenboner

Why, exactly, did they feel the need to pull out a long gun after the subject was dead?

Because there were still plenty of live black people in the neighborhood?

8 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 1:00:52pm

re: #6 Craigo

Q: from behind?
A: the first two was, he next 5 weren’t, he turned around

Christ.

Ayep. He turned around to surrender and the cop continued to shoot him until he lay on the ground bleeding to death. God help this cop if either autopsy shows the shots were not immediately fatal.

9 Gus  Aug 15, 2014 1:01:51pm

So 2 shots missed, then he fires 2 at his back, Brown turns around, and empties the remaining 5. Total of 9 rounds.

10 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 1:02:17pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Ayep. He turned around to surrender and the cop continued to shoot him until he lay on the ground bleeding to death. God help this cop if either autopsy shows the shots were not immediately fatal.

Somebody, anybody, try to justify this to me. I dare you.

11 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 1:02:58pm

re: #2 Schadenboner

Why, exactly, did they feel the need to pull out a long gun after the subject was dead?

They thought he might become a zombie

12 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 1:03:03pm

I do hope the CSI guys aren’t from this department.
I’m wondering about powder burns on his back and the rest.

I do not trust these idiots at all.

13 Gus  Aug 15, 2014 1:03:33pm

Clear, meaning he missed. Then…

9 rounds or one magazine.

14 Gus  Aug 15, 2014 1:04:50pm

Eventually we’ll get the autopsy results regardless of what those geniuses at the Ferguson PD say.

15 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 1:05:20pm

re: #14 Gus

Eventually we’ll get the autopsy regardless of what those geniuses at the Ferguson PD say.

I imagine those are part of the FOIA request.

16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 1:06:12pm

Tin foil hat time again…
Why am I feeling like Chief Jackson and friends are really unhappy that there were no riots last night?

17 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 1:06:16pm

re: #12 Kilroy01

I do hope the CSI guys aren’t from this department.
I’m wondering about powder burns on his back and the rest.

I do not trust these idiots at all.

The County Police are in charge of the investigation. That doesn’t exactly provide me with much confidence either.

18 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 1:06:55pm

re: #13 Gus

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9 rounds or one magazine.

Actually, the way I was reading “Clear” is that there were two shots, separate, then he just started pulling the trigger until he emptied the clip.

19 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 1:08:52pm

re: #17 lawhawk

Oh boy, I do hope the DOJ and FBI are checking these weasels work.

20 Minor_L  Aug 15, 2014 1:09:35pm

I know this is secondary, but interesting the way he says he didn’t feel threatened to live there when he signed the lease. Now he has to be afraid… of the police.

I can’t believe this is still the America we live in.

21 stpaulbear  Aug 15, 2014 1:10:01pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tin foil hat time again…
Why am I feeling like Chief Jackson and friends are really unhappy that there were no riots last night?

Johnson is going to have his hands full this weekend trying to keep things calm. Can you imagine how pissed off he is at the Ferguson PD?

22 Minor_L  Aug 15, 2014 1:10:34pm

To Lawhawk:

I didn’t get to the last thread in time, but I just wanted to compliment you on your piece. Fine piece of writing. Thank you for doing that.

23 Craigo  Aug 15, 2014 1:11:08pm

re: #13 Gus

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9 rounds or one magazine.

This isn’t particularly relevant, but most police sidearms have a much larger capacity than that these days. Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas are have a capacity in the mid to high teens.

24 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 1:12:47pm

re: #23 Craigo

This isn’t particularly relevant, but most police sidearms have a much larger capacity than that these days. Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas are have a capacity in the mid to high teens.

Depends on the round and if it’s a double-feeding clip.

25 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 1:13:17pm
26 OhNoZombies!  Aug 15, 2014 1:13:19pm

I thought only murderers killed people, then hid out…
Oh, wait.

27 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 1:14:54pm

Thanks, Jeff Zucker.

28 blueraven  Aug 15, 2014 1:15:03pm
29 TedStriker  Aug 15, 2014 1:15:53pm

re: #24 thedopefishlives

Depends on the round and if it’s a double-feeding clip.

Uhh, ‘Dave In Austin’, what’s the deal on the downding here?

30 Mattand  Aug 15, 2014 1:16:08pm

re: #10 thedopefishlives

Somebody, anybody, try to justify this to me. I dare you.

I’ve been talking to two fucking conservatives on FB about this. They’ve got enough justification to strangle a blue whale.

One guy was practically doing a jig when the supposed shoplifting story came out.

31 KiTA  Aug 15, 2014 1:17:08pm

How long till this guy’s twitter account gets suspended and he vanishes or gets arrested for… something?

I half expect Jimmy the Twit or Erik son of Erik to accuse him of being an Obama agent at this point.

32 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 1:17:31pm
33 Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2014 1:17:43pm

re: #29 TedStriker

Not sure what your speaking of…

34 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 15, 2014 1:17:43pm

From Ethical Society of Police:

The first thing we would like to assure the world is that this is a horrific coincidence.

May I assure the world that this is not the President of the Ethical Society of Police’s Sergeant Darren R. Wilson who is African-American, and happens to be an 18 year veteran of the St. Louis Police Department.

I’m sure additional clarification statements will be released immediately.

Thank you for your continued support.

35 Danny  Aug 15, 2014 1:18:29pm

re: #23 Craigo

This isn’t particularly relevant, but most police sidearms have a much larger capacity than that these days. Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas are have a capacity in the mid to high teens.

I may be misremembering but in an earlier press conference I think Jackson said the Sig carried by Wilson had 11 rounds; 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber.

36 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 1:18:51pm
37 Randall Gross  Aug 15, 2014 1:20:07pm

Hopefully someone’s FOIA’ed for the radio logs etc. I’m still curious how the supervisor got there ahead of the ambulance.

38 KerFuFFler  Aug 15, 2014 1:20:35pm

It seems like a real miscarriage of justice to insist on waiting weeks for irrelevant toxicology reports on the victim before releasing the autopsy results. If the autopsy shows entry wounds on the back and several additional rounds from the front that would seem to me to be enough corroborating evidence to arrest the shooter post haste.

39 TedStriker  Aug 15, 2014 1:21:03pm

re: #33 Dave In Austin

Click the karma number for dopefish’s #24…

40 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:21:29pm

re: #34 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

From Ethical Society of Police:

Probably Officer Wilson from the Unethical Society of Police.

41 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 1:22:01pm

This whole Ferguson shooting is becoming one very sad statement. It is approaching the outrageous level. The you-can’t-write-this-shit state of real.

It’d be a great movie, a dark comedy of a fictitious little Missouri town where down-home, this-is-how-we-do-it policing is laughable and dangerous all at the same time. But, it is real.

The Feds should send in troops to surround the local police departments, put all the cops in jail until each and every one can be thoroughly interviewed about all they know. Make sure no records get outside or destroyed, etc. That department is an ugly mess. I bet there are other skeletons in some closets.

42 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 1:22:14pm

And then there’s this:

No names, no badge numbers, or other identification of officers who were out during the protests.

43 Craigo  Aug 15, 2014 1:22:42pm

re: #35 Danny

I may be misremembering but in an earlier press conference I think Jackson said the Sig carried by Wilson had 11 rounds; 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber.

Okay, I missed that one.

This is relevant in a roundabout way - witnesses to shootings routinely misremember the number of shots fired. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson emptied his gun, and this particular witness missed one or two reports, which is especially easy to do when they’re fired in succession.

It may sound like a small point to harp on, but the shooter’s defense team will attack credibility anyway they can.

44 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 1:22:49pm

re: #35 Danny

I may be misremembering but in an earlier press conference I think Jackson said the Sig carried by Wilson had 11 rounds; 10 in the bag and 1 in the chamber.

I’ve been trying to find it in the video archives on the local station.
I remember it being a 10MM Glock but I thought it was 9 and 1 in the pipe for a total of 10.

45 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 1:23:22pm
46 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:23:27pm

re: #42 lawhawk

And then there’s this:

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No names, no badge numbers, or other identification of officers who were out during the protests.

Good thing for them there are no cameras in the vicinity.

47 Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2014 1:23:33pm

Clips? I have a hi- cap that goes 13 and 1 in the chamber. A standard is 9 +1. And please, I’m not a weapons guy or a LEO. I’m sick if this shit.

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 1:23:59pm

re: #42 lawhawk

And then there’s this:

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No names, no badge numbers, or other identification of officers who were out during the protests.

Thus, this:

49 Kid A  Aug 15, 2014 1:24:24pm

Limbaugh was literally gleeful today, calling him “the Gentle Giant,” saying “the robbery is a game-changer,” and all this shit. Of course, we now know that the cop had no idea Brown was a suspect, and SO FUCKING WHAT??!! Even if he did swipe a $30 box of shitty cigars, he deserved to take 10 bullets? He was 18, and god knows teenagers do stupid shit. If he was alive and had been charged, considering he had no criminal history, he might, MIGHT have received six months probation and if he completed it without incident, it would have been dropped from his record.

50 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 1:25:07pm

I’ve got a Ruger .40, 10 round magazine. Depending on the manufacturer, 8-12 rounds for .40 or higher are standard

51 klys  Aug 15, 2014 1:25:33pm

Either Darren Wilson never did anything on the Internet (unlikely for a 28 year old), posted exclusively on a pseudonym (possible, will probably come out at some point if so), or did an impressively good job of scrubbing his online presence in the week he’s had to do so.

52 Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2014 1:26:01pm

re: #50 Kragar

I’ve got a Ruger .40, 10 round magazine. Depending on the manufacturer, 8-12 rounds for .40 or higher are standard

I have a .45

53 Aqua Obama  Aug 15, 2014 1:26:40pm

Reposted here since I was late to the new thread:

H.Amdt.918 to H.R.4870

Purpose:
An amendment to prohibit use of funds to transfer aircraft (including unmanned aerial vehicles), armored vehicles, grenade launchers, silencers, toxicological agents, launch vehicles, guided missiles, ballistic missiles, rockets, torpedoes, bombs, mines, or nuclear weapons through the DOD Excess Personal Property Program established pursuant to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1997.

The vote was 62-355. Not a single representative from the Deep South or Missouri voted for it (and no, Florida doesn’t count).

54 sagehen  Aug 15, 2014 1:28:07pm

re: #51 klys

Either Darren Wilson never did anything on the Internet (unlikely for a 28 year old), posted exclusively on a pseudonym (possible, will probably come out at some point if so), or did an impressively good job of had expert assistance scrubbing his online presence in the week he’s had to do so.

55 Danny  Aug 15, 2014 1:28:47pm

re: #44 Kilroy01

I’ve been trying to find it in the video archeives on the local station.
I remember it being a 10MM Glock but I thought it was 9 and 1 in the pipe for a total of 10.

Sig Sauer .40 is what I recall.

56 Stanley Sea  Aug 15, 2014 1:29:23pm

re: #51 klys

Either Darren Wilson never did anything on the Internet (unlikely for a 28 year old), posted exclusively on a pseudonym (possible, will probably come out at some point if so), or did an impressively good job of scrubbing his online presence in the week he’s had to do so.

I’m sure he scrubbed it, then got on the plane with his family.

57 EPR-radar  Aug 15, 2014 1:30:12pm

re: #43 Craigo

Okay, I missed that one.

This is relevant in a roundabout way - witnesses to shootings routinely misremember the number of shots fired. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson emptied his gun, and this particular witness missed one or two reports, which is especially easy to do when they’re fired in succession.

It may sound like a small point to harp on, but the shooter’s defense team will attack credibility anyway they can.

One would hope that the prosecution’s counter-argument of “can you believe the shit the defense is pulling? —- they want to quibble over the exact number of shots fired and whether witnesses counted the shots accurately in a case of someone being gunned down by a cop for no reason” would have more weight with a jury.

However, who can say what kind of jury in MO would end up hearing any case against the cop.

58 BeachDem  Aug 15, 2014 1:30:39pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tin foil hat time again…
Why am I feeling like Chief Jackson and friends are really unhappy that there were no riots last night?

Chief Jackson, Prosecutor McCollough, Chief Belmar, and, of course, the ever-effervescent Jim Hoft and Dana Loesch .

59 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:30:44pm

re: #56 Stanley Sea

I’m sure he scrubbed it, then got on the plane with his family.

Well there’s a challenge for the Anonymous kiddies.

60 klys  Aug 15, 2014 1:30:49pm

re: #54 sagehen

Yeah, that’s the cynical side of me thinking too. I grant that in some ways the media attention has made searching hard, because all the top results are screaming about the story, but. All I have found is reference to one public record and some vague potential connections.

61 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:31:42pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

One would hope that the prosecution’s counter-argument of “can you believe the shit the defense is pulling? —- they want to quibble over the exact number of shots fired and whether witnesses counted the shots accurately in a case of someone being gunned down by a cop for no reason” would have more weight with a jury.

However, who can say what kind of jury in MO would end up hearing any case against the cop.

Cop would want a change of venue—maybe Pulaski TN.

62 klys  Aug 15, 2014 1:32:29pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Well there’s a challenge for the Anonymous kiddies.

Ugh, I’d really prefer it not done by them. You know, willingness to smear unrelated people, not very good at verifying that it is the right person, etc.

63 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:33:15pm

re: #62 klys

Ugh, I’d really prefer it not done by them. You know, willingness to smear unrelated people, not very good at verifying that it is the right person, etc.

Set a moron to catch a moron.

64 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 1:33:31pm

re: #58 BeachDem

Chief Jackson, Prosecutor McCollough, Chief Belmar, and, of course, the ever-effervescent Jim Hoft and Dana Loesch .

Now I’m wondering how St. Louis got frozen into a pre-Civil Rights racial separatist mentality.

65 BeachDem  Aug 15, 2014 1:33:49pm

re: #28 blueraven

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Oh please, not Jake Tapper—RUN, THEE PHAROAH, RUN LIKE THE WIND.

66 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:34:51pm

re: #64 jaunte

Now I’m wondering how St. Louis got frozen into a pre-Civil Rights racial separatist mentality.

Nostalgia.

en.wikipedia.org

67 EPR-radar  Aug 15, 2014 1:35:28pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Cop would want a change of venue—maybe Pulaski TN.

Pick the right suburb of St Louis and a sufficiently cop-friendly jury could probably be assembled in MO, even with the reporting on this subject.

Of course that would be the same super-genius plan that led directly to the LA riots a few years back.

68 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 1:35:42pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Cop would want a change of venue—maybe Pulaski TN.

Lidane has commented that in past days in relation to the FPD’s actions and I sincerely believe that may be an element to what’s happening, the tainting of any potential jury pool with the intention of changing venue to a much whiter community.

69 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 1:37:12pm

You know the idiots are going to say the fact the cop didn’t know about the shoplift suspects, but managed to stop Brown and his buddy and then had one take off running told the crack cop, Brown must be one of them.

So, it was just Damn Good Policing™ and demonstrated a real good guy cop aware of what criminals look like. In Brown he saw a criminal and knew he couldn’t get away.

/// yeah, but someone is going to go there in the internet world of anything can be explained, no matter the stretch..

70 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 1:37:17pm
71 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 1:37:42pm
72 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:40:48pm

re: #71 lawhawk

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Tallahassee PR firm. Were they involved with the Zimmerman or Jacksonville ‘loud music’ shootings?

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 1:41:17pm

re: #71 lawhawk

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happening right now.

74 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 1:41:41pm

After those last tweets I’m getting yelled at by right wing morons.

75 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 15, 2014 1:42:18pm

A writer at Petapixel really hits it out of the park.
Paged an excerpt.

76 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 1:42:30pm

Dooley seeks special prosecutor in Ferguson case

St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley will lead an effort to appoint a special prosecutor to handle the case involving an officer who shot unarmed teenager Michael Brown.

Dooley spoke with Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster today and asked the process to remove St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch from the case. Tension has mounted over the county’s handling of the situation. McCulloch fought back on Thursday, criticizing a state effort that replaced county police handling protests in Ferguson.

“The county executive believes Bob McCulloch is biased and shouldn’t handle this case,” said Pat Washington, Dooley’s spokeswoman.

The process isn’t easy. Dooley doesn’t have the power to remove McCulloch. Washington said he must obtain signatures and petition a judge for the removal.

77 BeachDem  Aug 15, 2014 1:43:16pm

re: #67 EPR-radar

Pick the right suburb of St Louis and a sufficiently cop-friendly jury could probably be assembled in MO, even with the reporting on this subject.

Of course that would be the same super-genius plan that led directly to the LA riots a few years back.

And with the current prosecutor, who apparently does not like having “those people” on his juries.

78 Aqua Obama  Aug 15, 2014 1:43:35pm

re: #64 jaunte

Now I’m wondering how St. Louis got frozen into a pre-Civil Rights racial separatist mentality.

I’d like to know why Missouri somehow fell so far behind the rest of the country. Somehow Missouri went from being some kind of bellwether state to having a bust of Rush Limbaugh in the state rotunda. And wow, those police.

I think the even the governor was opposed to desegregation efforts when he was Attorney General.

79 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 1:44:54pm
80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 1:45:06pm

good presser with Brown family spokespeople.
Saying right up front that Michael wasn’t an angel and urging calm in reacting to today’s revelations.

81 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 1:46:28pm
82 Stanley Sea  Aug 15, 2014 1:46:48pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Tallahassee PR firm. Were they involved with the Zimmerman or Jacksonville ‘loud music’ shootings?

Yes, he was the Martin family’s atty.

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 1:47:29pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

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“Do not take the bait.” — family

84 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:48:05pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

Yes, he was the Martin family’s atty.

Shit. I’d hate to see this become a specialty in the law schools.

85 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 1:48:31pm

re: #23 Craigo

This isn’t particularly relevant, but most police sidearms have a much larger capacity than that these days. Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas are have a capacity in the mid to high teens.

Depends on the caliber. .40S&W and .45ACP won’t have the capacity a 9mm would. Two of my 9mm have 19 round magazines, another has 16 round capacity. My .45ACP has a 10 round capacity.

86 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 15, 2014 1:50:58pm

Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? I am. I realized this story has gotten to me some. When I was young and sometimes speeding or had some marijuana on me or a friend in my car I was a little afraid. Then in my middle age I found myself having fun competing with cops at shooting events. So me reaction was positive on first sight of a uniform.

Honestly, today when I saw a bigger than usual squad of sheriffs checking everyone going into the Red Line subway I felt a little inner flinch, an instinctive fraction of a second of concern.

Silly of me really. I’m a white guy and have nothing illegal on my person. Just another bland commuter.

Maybe I should poll this.

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 1:51:11pm

Really good presser with the speakers clearly calling for peaceful reactions.

88 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:51:24pm

re: #78 Aqua Obama

I’d like to know why Missouri somehow fell so far behind the rest of the country. Somehow Missouri went from being some kind of bellwether state to having a bust of Rush Limbaugh in the state rotunda. And wow, those police.

I think the even the governor was opposed to desegregation efforts when he was Attorney General.

Do read the synopsis of the E St. Louis riots. The history is there.

en.wikipedia.org

89 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 15, 2014 1:52:25pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street?

No, I’m a white guy who lives in the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

And I’m from the Bay Area, so I’ve known what it’s like to live in an area with a shitty PD prone to fucking up and covering up.

90 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:52:46pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

good presser with Brown family spokespeople.
Saying right up front that Michael wasn’t an angel and urging calm in reacting to today’s revelations.

“We’re going to have to find a better class of prisoner murder victim.”

-Gov Lester Maddox

91 whitebeach  Aug 15, 2014 1:53:56pm

This guy’s tweets have the ring of immediate eyewitness truth and closely match what other witnesses have said, but they do create one perhaps minor mystery: How did TheePharaoh, apparently posting very soon after the shooting, hear about the stolen rellos? The grapevine in Ferguson must be broadband for sure.

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 1:54:27pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? I am I realized this story has gotten to me some. When I was young and sometimes speeding or had some marijuana on me or a friend in my car I was a little afraid. Then in my middle age I found myself having fun competing with cops at shooting events. So me reaction was positive on first sight of a uniform.

Honestly, today when I saw a bigger than usual squad of sheriffs checking everyone going into the Red Line subway I felt a little inner flinch, an instinctive fraction of a second of concern.

Silly of me really. I’m a white guy and have nothing illegal on my person. Just another bland commuter.

Maybe I should poll this.

When I was much, much younger, I got pulled over quite often only to have the officer ask me for my phone number.
However, the black and Hispanic members of my extended family really do worry large time when they see that light, and it bumps up to eleventy when it happens south of the Ohio River.
It is real.

93 makeitstop  Aug 15, 2014 1:54:35pm

Quick OT question: I’m seeing more and more wingnuts on FB using a graphic as their avatar - yellow cross on a black background.

Anyone know the significance? TIA.

94 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:54:57pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Do read the synopsis of the E St. Louis riots. The history is there.

en.wikipedia.org

For those who like more detail:

amazon.com

95 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 1:57:08pm
96 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 1:59:19pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? ..snip.

Not at all. I was in highschool during the Birmingham riots, the Army during Watts, and college during Kent State.

What this has done is erase a lot of people’s illusion created by thousands of hours of polite Serve n’ Protectors as portrayed on Cops.

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:00:38pm

re: #93 makeitstop

Quick OT question: I’m seeing more and more wingnuts on FB using a graphic as their avatar - yellow cross on a black background.

Anyone know the significance? TIA.

I only know about the Welsh flag of St. David. Do you have an example of the graphic you’re seeing?

98 makeitstop  Aug 15, 2014 2:04:51pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

I only know about the Welsh flag of St. David. Do you have an example of the graphic you’re seeing?

The cross in question

I’m asking because the one FB wingnut rocking it is an atheist, but pretty racist.

I was just wondering, since I’ve seen it popping up all over among wingnuts.

(I kinda feel dirty putting that graphic up here. If there’s something really bad associated with it, can I delete it?)

99 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 2:05:03pm

Ferguson Market has been served a warrant to turn over the hard drive with the surveillance and has complied. Cannot comment further but hope to stay in business. Warrant is from St.Louis County Police.
update: the attorney for the market claims the store didn’t call the police over the alleged theft it was a customer in the store who called.

100 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 2:05:28pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

I only know about the Welsh flag of St. David. Do you have an example of the graphic you’re seeing?

re: #93 makeitstop

Maybe this has something to do with it.

The Christian Party (UK) has expressed a desire to change the current Flag of Wales to the St. David’s Cross to symbolise the Christian heritage of Wales.

en.wikipedia.org

More about the Christian Party (UK) here:

The party claims to use the talents of Christians in different callings to legislate against religious, spiritual, moral and social problems in society.

At the time of the Scottish election in 2007, the Scottish Christian Party produced a manifesto including the following:

a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for murder where there are at least two human witnesses.
legislation to ban abortion.
increased taxation on alcohol and tobacco.
initiatives to bring personal responsibility to bear upon “self-inflicted disease” (such as alcoholism).
zero tolerance on drug possession.
curfews for under-11s, with mandatory intervention of child protection agencies in relation to any child 10 years or younger who is found unaccompanied on the street after 9:00pm.
the reintroduction of the right of teachers to use corporal punishment in extreme circumstances.
greater observance of a weekly day of rest (Sunday).
limits around coastlines to preserve stocks of fish and sand eels.
promotion in schools of chastity before marriage.
re-instatement of Section 2A (also known as Section 28).
the re-introduction of corporate readings from the Bible in all Scottish state schools.
provision of Christian religious education on a mandatory basis, with no obligation to promote other faiths, regardless of the wishes of those being instructed or their parents. There currently exists a level of compulsory Christian observance in most British schools, so these policies are calling for this to be increased.
a science curriculum which should “reflect the evidence of creation/design” in the universe (see Creation-evolution controversy).
public health campaigns to discourage homosexuality alongside excessive drinking and the use of addictive substances, whilst maintaining “God loves and we should love” such individuals.
the restoration of the right for parents to smack their children (as with prayer, this right currently exists and the policy is a call for an increase).
“Mind Pollution Levy” on 18 certificate films, DVDs, CDs, video games and top-shelf magazines.
a re-establishment of the principle of the innocent party in a divorce being acknowledged in any divorce settlement.
discouragement of the practice of addressing women as “Ms.”.
opposition to the practice of altering birth certificates to reflect gender confirmation surgery.
replacing the standard of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ with ‘evidence of two or three reliable witnesses’ in the criminal justice system.
that Mechanical Copyright Protection enjoyed by songwriters should be extended to featured recording artists and record producers.
a minimum royalty percentage (the level of which should be decided through consultation with the music industry) to be paid to featured recording artists and producers on exactly the same basis as is currently paid to songwriters.
increased restrictions on immigration.

en.wikipedia.org

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:05:46pm

re: #98 makeitstop

checking now.
In the meantime…here’s nice news:

102 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 2:07:39pm

re: #98 makeitstop

From wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org

The Christian Party (UK) has expressed a desire to change the current Flag of Wales to the St. David’s Cross to symbolise the Christian heritage of Wales.
en.wikipedia.org

103 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 15, 2014 2:07:54pm

Damn, what a find. The “smoking gun” in literal fact. This guy essentially tweeted the same story witness Johnson tells, but did so as it happened.

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:08:40pm

re: #98 makeitstop

The cross in question

I’m asking because the one FB wingnut rocking it is an atheist, but pretty racist.

I was just wondering, since I’ve seen it popping up all over.

(I kinda feel dirty putting that graphic up here. If there’s something really bad associated with it, can I delete it?)

OK, apparently it has something to do with standing against ISIS slaughtering Christians in Iraq.

ETA: foramerica.org and then a link at twitter:

Change your #socmed profile pics to protest ISIS in Iraq! We’re taking a stand against terrorism – are you? RETWEET! pic.twitter.com

105 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 2:09:14pm
106 stpaulbear  Aug 15, 2014 2:10:46pm

re: #99 becominginvisible

Ferguson Market has been served a warrant to turn over the hard drive with the surveillance and has complied. Cannot comment further but hope to stay in business. Warrant is from St.Louis County Police.

They need it to get the mini-series up and running.

107 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 2:11:43pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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Depending on the wording of the FOIA requests, it could be explained as ‘related’, ‘pertinent’, or in a timeframe. Of course, it helps that it serves his ends.

108 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 2:13:29pm

re: #23 Craigo

Welcome, hatchling.

109 b_sharp  Aug 15, 2014 2:13:34pm

So, making this kid out to be a thug does what, make the cop who pulled the trigger less guilty?

Oh, I get it, a black kid is guilty until proven innocent and the cops, who never get anything wrong, have a duty to treat them that way.

110 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 2:14:03pm
111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:14:37pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Fox is disappointed there is no violence.

112 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 2:15:08pm

I’m not Al Sharpton’s biggest fan, but damn.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:15:46pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

I’m not Al Sharpton’s biggest fan, but damn.

That shit ain’t gonna stir itself.

114 makeitstop  Aug 15, 2014 2:15:49pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, apparently it has something to do with standing against ISIS slaughtering Christians in Iraq.

ETA: foramerica.org and then a link at twitter:

Okay, thanks.

115 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 2:15:53pm

I am white, but as mentioned, I grew up and have lived in mixed neighborhoods. I have always been suspect of police. Too many instances with friends and others of cops doing really dumb stuff.

Also, the Sheriff in our county was found criminal by a federal and state investigation, thrown out of office with several deputies for fraud, destroying/planting evidence, records manipulation, etc. THey almost got them for a muder/cover-up but didn’t have enough to make that stick.

The whole department was labeled as corrupt. That was back in the mid-70s. They had another run in back in the late 90s. So, where I grew up no one did or does trust the sheriff. And, I’ve known some police. They were all far from heroes.™

116 TedStriker  Aug 15, 2014 2:16:49pm

re: #109 b_sharp

So, making this kid out to be a thug does what, make the cop who pulled the trigger less guilty?

Oh, I get it, a black kid is guilty until proven innocent and the cops, who never get anything wrong, have a duty to treat them that way.

In the RWNJ Bizarro Universe, yes.

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:17:32pm
118 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 2:18:45pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street?

No. The local sheriff in the town I grew up in ended up in Club Fed for bribery, corruption, and racketeering, among other things. I’ve been on both sides of the Texas-Mexico border. I know first hand that cops can be corrupt, or on the take, or otherwise out for their own gain instead of upholding the law.

I see a cop, even here in Austin, and I just nod and say hello and keep going on my way. You never know if they’re going to be one of the good ones or if they’re just looking for an excuse to fuck shit up. Best not to find out.

119 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 2:21:09pm

Lately I’ve been lightly obsessed (as opposed to slightly obsessed) with Italian twist music from the early sixties and thought this lp cover might elicit a much needed chuckle.

120 Schadenboner  Aug 15, 2014 2:21:12pm

re: #35 Danny

I may be misremembering but in an earlier press conference I think Jackson said the Sig carried by Wilson had 11 rounds; 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber.

What kind of idiot walks around with one in the spout?

121 whitebeach  Aug 15, 2014 2:22:07pm

re: #98 makeitstop

Haven’t seen it before. A quick Google image search comes up with a couple of identicals, the Saint Michael Society, which is apparently a heavily Marian group involved in promoting Catholicism into the public arena, and the Christian Defence League of Holland, which appears to be an extreme right-wing outfit with a severe hatred of Muslims. Then, too, one of the first “similar” images that shows is actually a cross burning by night, KKK style.

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:22:07pm

COW!!!

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:22:50pm

re: #120 Schadenboner

What kind of idiot walks around with one in the spout?

An idiot looking for trouble.

124 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 2:23:00pm

re: #119 De Kolta Chair

Lately I’ve been lightly obsessed with Italian twist music from the early sixties and thought this lp cover might elicit a much needed chuckle.

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Pop art!

Ahh…to have been a graphic artist in those days. Just think how far the art of the vinyl album cover went from 1960 to 1970.

125 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 2:23:54pm
126 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 2:24:54pm

re: #125 Kragar

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Great. Now I’m thinking of Juggalos.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:24:57pm

re: #125 Kragar

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A Mitt Romney supporter, IIRC…

128 EPR-radar  Aug 15, 2014 2:25:18pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? I am. I realized this story has gotten to me some. When I was young and sometimes speeding or had some marijuana on me or a friend in my car I was a little afraid. Then in my middle age I found myself having fun competing with cops at shooting events. So me reaction was positive on first sight of a uniform.

Honestly, today when I saw a bigger than usual squad of sheriffs checking everyone going into the Red Line subway I felt a little inner flinch, an instinctive fraction of a second of concern.

Silly of me really. I’m a white guy and have nothing illegal on my person. Just another bland commuter.

Maybe I should poll this.

No real change for me in relation to a cop on the street. I’m a white man with no distressing (to authorities) habits like protesting etc., so that doesn’t really mean very much.

What has surprised me in this is that the Ferguson PD and St. Louis county PD are so lost in their own ideology that they think a massive paramilitary response to peaceful protests is a viable option. That troubles me, because it seems to suggest that RWNJ idiocy about the coming race wars is systematically infecting some police departments.

129 b.d.  Aug 15, 2014 2:26:03pm

re: #125 Kragar

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That better be a Made in America glass dildo or I’ll be losing all respect for him.

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130 SteveMcGazi  Aug 15, 2014 2:26:31pm

I don’t think any differently about having a police car behind me, I’m white.

131 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 2:28:26pm

Jim Hoft is at it again, this time with help from Dana Loesch.

132 b_sharp  Aug 15, 2014 2:30:05pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft is at it again, this time with help from Dana Loesch.

Birds of a feather.

133 EPR-radar  Aug 15, 2014 2:30:47pm

re: #125 Kragar

Some genius on the internet:

If the glass dildo doesn’t fit, you must acquit.

134 makeitstop  Aug 15, 2014 2:32:18pm

re: #132 b_sharp

Birdbrains of a feather.

FTFY

135 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 2:32:33pm

Humans are so disappointing.

Is it still a crime to breathe while black?

136 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 2:32:44pm

re: #132 b_sharp

Birds of a feather.

Somehow that makes birds a dirty word. And birds are pretty cool. I know what you mean, but dang, what did the birds do???

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137 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 2:32:48pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

Humans are so disappointing.

Is it still a crime to breathe while black?

Apparently.

138 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 2:33:01pm
139 OhNoZombies!  Aug 15, 2014 2:33:37pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

Humans are so disappointing.

Is it still a crime to breathe while black?

Depends on what side of town your on.

140 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 2:34:08pm

appealing to voters or corporations?

141 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 2:34:43pm

re: #120 Schadenboner

What kind of idiot walks around with one in the spout?

The kind of idiot who shoots a black kid in the back just for existing.

142 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 2:34:51pm
143 urbanmeemaw  Aug 15, 2014 2:35:02pm

re: #140 FemNaziBitch

Well, since corporations are people they are also voters, too, my friend.

144 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 2:35:37pm

re: #141 thedopefishlives

The kind of idiot who shoots a black kid person in the back just for existing.

Edited just a bit :0

145 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 2:36:00pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? I am. I realized this story has gotten to me some. When I was young and sometimes speeding or had some marijuana on me or a friend in my car I was a little afraid. Then in my middle age I found myself having fun competing with cops at shooting events. So me reaction was positive on first sight of a uniform.

Honestly, today when I saw a bigger than usual squad of sheriffs checking everyone going into the Red Line subway I felt a little inner flinch, an instinctive fraction of a second of concern.

Silly of me really. I’m a white guy and have nothing illegal on my person. Just another bland commuter.

Maybe I should poll this.

This is the incident which most recently ramped up my, um, concerns on the subject.

146 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 2:36:43pm
147 stpaulbear  Aug 15, 2014 2:36:48pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

In my musician days (the mid 70’s), my band would drive back and forth from week-long gigs if we were within 90 miles of home (St. Paul, MN). It would be a regular occurence to get pulled over in one of the towns coming home no matter how hard I tried to get down under 30mph. I’m sure they pulled us over because there were four of us in our 20’s in a car at 2:00am. I never got a ticket; they’d just check us out, realize we weren’t drunk, and let us go (always with the line “I see you don’t have any tickets on your record, so…”). I doubt that it would have gone smoothly if we weren’t all white.

This town was in the area that Michele Bachmann eventually represented.

After I came out, I’d get hassled in this area for having a rainbow flag on my car, but the hassle always came from, ironically, cars full of boys in their twenties.

148 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 2:36:49pm
149 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 2:37:19pm

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

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That’s not going to come back to bite him in the ass, no way.

150 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 2:37:58pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

This is the incident which most recently ramped up my, um, concerns on the subject.

I grew-up RC, I have a conditioned fear of all authority figures.

Now that I am *ahem* older, it’s easier, but I find myself holding my breath still …

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 2:38:00pm

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

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well, that certainly explains the (non)effectiveness of Chief Jackson’s two pressers today.

152 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 2:41:45pm

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

I grew-up RC, I have a conditioned fear of all authority figures.

Now that I am *ahem* older, it’s easier, but I find myself holding my breathe still …

I grew up RC too, but the whole family left the church when my parents divorced, so I lost the fear or respect or whatever power it may have held over me. Which led to having no respect for authority, pretty much.

153 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 2:43:32pm

Once again, humans couldn’t be any worse:

154 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 2:45:43pm

bbl

155 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 2:46:53pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

Once again, humans couldn’t be any worse:

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What else would one expect from WND? They’re insane.

156 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 2:49:53pm

WTFITS:

“I’ve said from day one that Michael Brown is a thug,” Peterson declared, using as evidence “the fact that he was running from the cops, period, because good folks do not run from police officers, they follow their instructions.”

“I just think that it’s a shame,” he continued, “that in America today, that criminals are given the benefit of the doubt - especially black criminals because white criminals are not - but black criminals are given the benefit of the doubt and the police officers are the suspects. I don’t know what has happened to my country.”

When Malzberg sought to clarify that Peterson had, in fact, called Brown a “thug,” Peterson asserted that he had, saying that Trayvon Martin was also thug.

“Why we are protecting thugs?”

157 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 2:50:09pm

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

I grew-up RC, I have a conditioned fear of all authority figures.

Now that I am *ahem* older, it’s easier, but I find myself holding my breath still …

Yeah…as I’ve said…12 years of Catholic school. The nuns of the 60s were still pretty good at policing and many times left everyone that went through the machine paranoid for life!

158 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 2:50:20pm

Just overheard on Al Jazeera TV: “Coming up next, has America lost moral authority…”

Oh, if I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard that during my lifetime I could buy Al Jazeera twice over.

159 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 2:51:44pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

Once again, humans couldn’t be any worse:

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As Robin Williams used to say, “Joke ‘em if they can’t take a fuck.”

160 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 2:52:17pm
161 Jenner7  Aug 15, 2014 2:54:28pm

re: #160 Kragar

Ferguson PD is the Fox News of police departments…

162 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 2:55:23pm

Local police involved in 400 killings per year

163 OhNoZombies!  Aug 15, 2014 2:55:31pm

re: #156 Lidane

Uncle Ruckus.

164 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 2:56:14pm
“The killings are self-reported by law enforcement and not all police departments participate so the database undercounts the actual number of deaths. Plus, the numbers are not audited after they are submitted to the FBI and the statistics on “justifiable” homicides have conflicted with independent measures of fatalities at the hands of police.”
165 A Mom Anon  Aug 15, 2014 2:58:52pm

OK, I’ve missed a bunch today because of hospital related things and home chores I’m catching up on, so excuse me if this has been covered already…

From the bit of catching up I’ve been able to do today there seems to be (in some places at least) a discrepancy between the clothing Mike Brown was wearing in the tape from the convenience store and the clothing he was wearing when he was murdered (yes I said murdered, prove otherwise and I’ll gladly correct it). Is this true?

166 allegro  Aug 15, 2014 2:59:06pm

re: #156 Lidane

WTFITS:

I agree. Why ARE we protecting the police thugs who murder black kids?

167 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 3:00:21pm

re: #156 Lidane

WTFITS:

*flips desk, sets on fire*

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!

168 GeneJockey  Aug 15, 2014 3:00:21pm

re: #120 Schadenboner

What kind of idiot walks around with one in the spout?

Cocked and locked is pretty standard. Modern semiautomatics are generaly carried that way. It’s not one of the old SA Revolvers where you had to leave an empty chamber.

169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 3:01:18pm

All that has been established is that the police had a reason to detain and question Brown. They need to establish a reason for shooting him repeatedly or face the consequences.

But that is not about to surface in the media frenzy.

170 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 3:01:33pm
171 blueraven  Aug 15, 2014 3:01:35pm

re: #165 A Mom Anon

OK, I’ve missed a bunch today because of hospital related things and home chores I’m catching up on, so excuse me if this has been covered already…

From the bit of catching up I’ve been able to do today there seems to be (in some places at least) a discrepancy between the clothing Mike Brown was wearing in the tape from the convenience store and the clothing he was wearing when he was murdered (yes I said murdered, prove otherwise and I’ll gladly correct it). Is this true?

I don’t think there is any discrepancy. Although I am sure it has been said.

172 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 15, 2014 3:02:01pm

re: #165 A Mom Anon

OK, I’ve missed a bunch today because of hospital related things and home chores I’m catching up on, so excuse me if this has been covered already…

From the bit of catching up I’ve been able to do today there seems to be (in some places at least) a discrepancy between the clothing Mike Brown was wearing in the tape from the convenience store and the clothing he was wearing when he was murdered (yes I said murdered, prove otherwise and I’ll gladly correct it). Is this true?

Nope.

173 OhNoZombies!  Aug 15, 2014 3:02:35pm

re: #162 jaunte

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Local police involved in 400 killings per year

I think I’m gonna be done for awhile.
Depressing.

174 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 3:04:17pm
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175 Mattand  Aug 15, 2014 3:04:42pm

re: #165 A Mom Anon

OK, I’ve missed a bunch today because of hospital related things and home chores I’m catching up on, so excuse me if this has been covered already…

From the bit of catching up I’ve been able to do today there seems to be (in some places at least) a discrepancy between the clothing Mike Brown was wearing in the tape from the convenience store and the clothing he was wearing when he was murdered (yes I said murdered, prove otherwise and I’ll gladly correct it). Is this true?

I’ve caught some shit for saying the bolded. I’m pretty much of the same mindset.

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:06:09pm

wait just a freakin minute

Darren Wilson is now a SLPD officer????

Tapper needs to STFU.

177 GeneJockey  Aug 15, 2014 3:06:26pm

Well, now the RW con go full speed ahead with the N*****ization of Micheal Brown, just like Trayvon Martin, even though the Chief of Police specifically said the cop didn’t stop him because of the 8-minutes-prior shoplifting.

178 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 3:06:38pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

Yeah…as I’ve said…12 years of Catholic school. The nuns of the 60s were still pretty good at policing and many times left everyone that went through the machine paranoid for life!

‘Cause they knew what was in your dirty little mind…

179 blueraven  Aug 15, 2014 3:08:36pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait just a freakin minute

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Darren Wilson is now a SLPD officer????

Tapper needs to STFU.

I *think* SLPD is ST Louis Post Dispatch (news)

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:10:56pm

re: #179 blueraven

I *think* SLPD is ST Louis Post Dispatch (news)

Punctuation alert, Tapper! Punctuation!!!

181 urbanmeemaw  Aug 15, 2014 3:11:03pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

I was raised Irish Catholic female in the 50’s and 60’s so I grew up fearing everything. Catholic education kindergarten through college. I really don’t regret it, though. On balance, I received an excellent education (especially my high school in St. Paul, MN) and only had 2-3 nuns who were really wacko.

I have searing memories of watching television footage of the civil rights marches and the dogs and hoses and the outrage I felt then has not abated at all in the ensuing years. When the fire bomb in a Birmingham church killed those 4 little girls my mom told my dad not to get her a Christmas present but to instead donate the money to the rebuilding of the church.

My biggest concern now is how the mainstream media act as echo chamber for the racists by repeating their lies. While the broadcast media were never perfect, at least back in the early 60’s they did not lend any credence to the both sides blather of today regarding the civil rights movement. It was very what was happening, why it was happening, and who was to blame. Of course that changed in the mid to late 60’s with the rise of Black Panthers and other “militant” groups and some African American activists becoming involved in anti Vietnam protests and linking racism and poverty to American policy at home and overseas. That and the election of Richard Nixon and the Southern Strategy combined with the riots caused broadcast media to become more biased against African Americans. These are just my memories and impressions and may not be borne out by actual historical research.

Good grief. I did not intend to launch into a walk down Geezer Lane. Apologies.

182 Shazam  Aug 15, 2014 3:11:11pm

Wilson is apparently Robocop:

*Target confirmed as black.*

*Scanning for recent crimes. Theft of cigarettes reported.*

*Target confirmed holding cigarettes. Target confirmed for shooting.*

183 klys  Aug 15, 2014 3:11:33pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Punctuation alert, Tapper! Punctuation!!!

One little colon could make all the difference.

184 Varek Raith  Aug 15, 2014 3:11:41pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Punctuation alert, Tapper! Punctuation!!!

Let’s eat grandpa!
/

185 allegro  Aug 15, 2014 3:12:16pm

If the Ferguson police department gets this excited over a cigarello theft, imagine if someone stole a tricycle! Barney Fife, where are you?

Jeezus wept. We’re fucking doomed.

186 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 3:14:19pm
187 Romantic Heretic  Aug 15, 2014 3:14:57pm

re: #58 BeachDem

Chief Jackson, Prosecutor McCollough, Chief Belmar, and, of course, the ever-effervescent Jim Hoft and Dana Loesch .

I’d use ‘ever-putrescent’ for Hoft and Loesch. But that’s just me.

188 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 3:15:38pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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I know this is going to shock some people, but I trust the Ferguson PD (and its chief) even less than I trust CNN. They’re almost down to FOX News territory, and descending rapidly.

189 klys  Aug 15, 2014 3:16:12pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

Man, so much of this would be clearer if they’d had the officer fill out a report of some kind right afterwards. And the chief, you know, actually read it.

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I get that investigations are tricky things, but for fuck’s sake, this seems really basic.

190 allegro  Aug 15, 2014 3:16:33pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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He does appear to have achieved a startling clarity of memory after having almost a week to think about it.

191 Frenchy  Aug 15, 2014 3:16:46pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

They’re flat out making this shit up as we go along.

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:16:52pm

Gonna need more flaming desks…

193 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 3:18:35pm

re: #191 Frenchy

They’re flat out making this shit up as we go along.

Chief is dating Morgan Fairchild.

194 TedStriker  Aug 15, 2014 3:18:37pm

re: #182 Shazam

Wilson is apparently Robocop ED-209:

*Target confirmed as black.*

*Scanning for recent crimes. Theft of cigarettes reported.*

*Target confirmed holding cigarettes. Target confirmed for shooting.*

FTFY…

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:19:00pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Chief is dating Morgan Fairchild.

seen her nekkid…yes, that’s the ticket…

196 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 3:19:06pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

The SLCPA fully supports Chief of Police Jon Belmar, as well as the men and women of our department, in the decisions made to control the unlawful and often chaotic moments of the previous days.

Tell me, douchecanoe, what the HELL was “unlawful” about any of the protesting? I DARE YOU. Prove it, and I won’t flip this desk into your face and light it on fire.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:19:49pm

re: #196 thedopefishlives

Tell me, douchecanoe, what the HELL was “unlawful” about any of the protesting? I DARE YOU. Prove it, and I won’t flip this desk into your face and light it on fire.

yep, and we saw just how outraged the citizens of Ferguson were last night…

198 Jenner7  Aug 15, 2014 3:20:18pm

Wait, so did Wilson see the cigarillos and connect to robbery? Didn’t they say Wilson wasn’t aware of robbery at the time he stopped Brown???

Anyone else confused? It’s any wonder when they say two different things.

199 Frenchy  Aug 15, 2014 3:20:36pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Translation: We’re pissed off that we’re not getting to play army anymore.

200 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 3:21:00pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would love to see evidence of ANY of the accusations about what occurred after the turnover to the MSHP. The “near burglary” of the McDonald’s cracked me up.

201 gwangung  Aug 15, 2014 3:21:06pm

re: #198 Jenner7

Wait, so did Wilson see the cigarillos and connect to robbery? Didn’t they say Wilson wasn’t aware of robbery at the time he stopped Brown???

Anyone else confused? It’s any wonder when they say two different things.

Jesus, how stupid do they think we are? (I mean, they know not all of us watch FOX News….)

202 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 3:21:15pm

re: #198 Jenner7

Wait, so did Wilson see the cigarillos and connect to robbery? Didn’t they say Wilson wasn’t aware of robbery at the time he stopped Brown???

Anyone else confused? It’s any wonder when they say two different things.

Sounds like they’re pretty just making up things as they go along.

Or, if you prefer, talking out of their ass.

203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:22:04pm

re: #199 Frenchy

Translation: We’re pissed off that we’re not getting to play army anymore.

Taking our military toys and going home in a snit and don’t you DARE call for help ever again. EVER.
…stamps boots in hissy fit…

204 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 3:22:31pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep, and we saw just how outraged the citizens of Ferguson were last night…

Yeah but, black people are scary and the big bad ebil MSHP chief made us go out there without our toys.

205 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 3:22:39pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gonna need more flaming desks…

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Public Employee Union thugs say what…?

206 OhNoZombies!  Aug 15, 2014 3:23:18pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gonna need more flaming desks…

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In other words, that black guy shouldn’t have stood in front of the camera while holding a pic of the kid we shot. Therefore he is an enemy.

(Couldn’t stay away, heh.)

207 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:23:22pm

re: #204 thedopefishlives

Yeah but, black people are scary and the big bad ebil MSHP chief made us go out there without our toys.

and, and…the people smiled at us! and HUGGED us!!!11!!!

208 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 3:23:47pm

re: #200 thedopefishlives

I would love to see evidence of ANY of the accusations about what occurred after the turnover to the MSHP. The “near burglary” of the McDonald’s cracked me up.

Four year old demanded two Batman figurines in his happy meal.

209 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 3:23:53pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

and, and…the people smiled at us! and HUGGED us!!!11!!!

OH GOD BLACK PEOPLE COOTIES!!!

210 makeitstop  Aug 15, 2014 3:26:05pm

re: #201 gwangung

Jesus, how stupid do they think we are? (I mean, they know not all of us watch FOX News….)

I think that’s who they’re talking to here.

211 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:28:13pm

more on Mo’Ne:

212 Jolo5309  Aug 15, 2014 3:28:38pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Chief is dating Morgan Fairchild.

Don’t tell her that, she has been pretty critical of the police in Ferguson

213 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 3:30:49pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

The FOIA requests were for records relating to the Brown shooting. FPD associated the earlier incident with the Brown shooting and gave it to the press as part of the FOIA document dump.

The appear to have had no problem with dumping the petit larceny/shoplifting video and the incident report from that, but held back the actual report on the shooting. They’re going to treat the report on his death as a closed report under MO Rev. Stat 610:100, which limits its production.

214 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 3:30:51pm

re: #183 klys

One little colon could make all the difference.

Speaking of colons, my urologist’s office is on the Louis Armstrong Floor of Beth Israel Hospital here in Manhattan. Being that I firmly believe that Pops was the be-all and end-all of human evolution, and that he was quite fond of a laxative called Swiss Kriss , and that the floor is named for him because his urologist practiced at Beth Israel and that his will bequeathed them with a nice bequeathal, it all comes out harmoniously in the end.

215 gwangung  Aug 15, 2014 3:32:04pm

re: #213 lawhawk

The FOIA requests were for records relating to the Brown shooting. FPD associated the earlier incident with the Brown shooting and gave it to the press as part of the FOIA document dump.

The appear to have had no problem with dumping the petit larceny/shoplifting video and the incident report from that, but held back the actual report on the shooting. They’re going to treat the report on his death as a closed report under MO Rev. Stat 610:100, which limits its production.

Which is total bullshit. But we all knew that….

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:32:35pm

My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.

217 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 3:32:44pm

re: #212 Jolo5309

Don’t tell her that, she has been pretty critical of the police in Ferguson

Jeez, you’re right. And she reposted this:

Youtube Video

218 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 3:33:18pm

re: #214 De Kolta Chair

… it all comes out harmoniously in the end

Which was the goal of both Armstrong and his urologist.

219 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 3:34:18pm

re: #214 De Kolta Chair

…snip it all comes out harmoniously in the end.

Well that’s the goal, isn’t it?

220 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 3:36:21pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

Well, that could possibly explain why Wilson went and grabbed Brown through the car window, initiating the event.

Of course, all of this would be addressed in a full disclosure of the police reports.

221 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 3:38:09pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.

That gray corner in the far southwest of New Mexico? That’s where this took place, and the incident like it a few months earlier. I guess if you miss out on the big equipment, you console yourself with an uncertified drug-sniffing dog.

222 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 3:38:32pm

“While in my vehicle, I observed the suspect jaywalking with cigars in his hand, which I quickly deduced meant he was a suspect in the robbery I had heard about mere seconds ago,”

Look out Ferguson, you got Sherlock Holmes patrolling your streets

223 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 3:38:35pm

re: #201 gwangung

Jesus, how stupid do they think we are? (I mean, they know not all of us watch FOX News….)

Everyone watches FOX News!!!!!!

The Republican party seems to think the same way.

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224 TedStriker  Aug 15, 2014 3:39:01pm

re: #214 De Kolta Chair

Speaking of colons, my urologist’s office is on the Louis Armstrong Floor of Beth Israel Hospital here in Manhattan. Being that I firmly believe that Pops was the be-all and end-all of human evolution, and that he was quite fond of a laxative called Swiss Kriss , and that the floor is named for him because his urologist practiced at Beth Israel and that his will bequeathed them with a nice bequeathal, it all comes out harmoniously in the end.

Which is still around:
walgreens.com

225 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 3:39:39pm

re: #220 lawhawk

Well, that could possibly explain why Wilson went and grabbed Brown through the car window, initiating the event.

Of course, all of this would be addressed in a full disclosure of the police reports.

This sounds extremely fishy, since Jackson actually put out the story about the struggle inside the car almost immediately, but only now is he mentioning that Wilson saw the cigarillos and connected it to the robbery.

This stinks. The more he talks the more he sounds like he’s making it up as he goes along.

226 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 15, 2014 3:41:05pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

This sounds extremely fishy, since Jackson actually put out the story about the struggle inside the car almost immediately, but only now is he mentioning that Wilson saw the cigarillos and connected it to the robbery.

This stinks. The more he talks the more he sounds like he’s making it up as he goes along.

Has the police officer even been deposed and given testimony? Because if not, then the whole “We’re not releasing details so as not to tip hands to witnesses” thing just went out the window.

227 sagehen  Aug 15, 2014 3:41:22pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.

My county (Manhattan) got 4 armored vehicles… which they might actually have legitimate use for. We are Manhattan, after all, there’s always the chance major terrorists will be tried in our local courthouse.

San Bernardino County (CA), where I used to live… got 4 helicopters, a plane, a mine-resistant vehicle, 114 assault rifles and 208 night vision pieces. I’m going to give them the benefit of doubt, that maybe the aircraft got turned over to the Fire Department, that the night vision pieces are for S&R in the copious wilderness, and the assault rifles are just less expensive than buying whatever other kinds of rifles they’d have gotten from not-from-the-Pentagon.

228 Shazam  Aug 15, 2014 3:41:38pm

re: #222 Kragar

“While in my vehicle, I observed the suspect jaywalking with cigars in his hand, which I quickly deduced meant he was a suspect in the robbery I had heard about mere seconds ago,”

Look out Ferguson, you got Sherlock Holmes patrolling your streets

Sherlock Holmes: “I don’t guess.”

Holmesian “Deduction” = abduction = guessing.

229 teleskiguy  Aug 15, 2014 3:42:05pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.

My county, Eagle County, CO? 31 assault rifles, 10 handguns and a pair of night vision goggles. We could have used a helicopter for search and rescue in remote wilderness.

230 thedopefishlives  Aug 15, 2014 3:42:15pm

re: #227 sagehen

My county (Manhattan) got 4 armored vehicles… which they might actually have legitimate use for. We are Manhattan, after all, there’s always the chance major terrorists will be tried in our local courthouse.

San Bernardino County (CA), where I used to live… got 4 helicopters, a plane, a mine-resistant vehicle, 114 assault rifles and 208 night vision pieces. I’m going to give them the benefit of doubt, that maybe the aircraft got turned over to the Fire Department, that the night vision pieces are for S&R in the copious wilderness, and the assault rifles are just less expensive than buying whatever other kinds of rifles they’d have gotten from not-from-the-Pentagon.

My own county - Hennepin, MN - has a couple of armored vehicles (understandable, considering it contains Minneapolis) and … grenade launchers? Dafuq?

231 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 3:42:31pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.

Considering that the entire Texas-Mexico border (with the exception of El Paso County) got nuthin’ according to the map. I think it is not the whole story either. Where there’s Border Patrol, they’re always showing up as backup, as they did in this case.

Border Patrol agents were also at the fire station, but an agency spokesman said the agents were there in a show of support and the Border Patrol was not involved in the case.

It is not uncommon for Border Patrol agents to show up to assist local law enforcement, if needed, in small towns outside El Paso.

232 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 3:42:57pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.

I was looking at that graphic at the Times earlier today and couldn’t help but wonder why body armor was so low on the list. Seems a helluva lot more important than another fancy-schmancy weapon.

233 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 3:43:32pm
234 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 3:44:01pm

re: #227 sagehen

My county (Manhattan) got 4 armored vehicles… which they might actually have legitimate use for. We are Manhattan, after all, there’s always the chance major terrorists will be tried in our local courthouse.

San Bernardino County (CA), where I used to live… got 4 helicopters, a plane, a mine-resistant vehicle, 114 assault rifles and 208 night vision pieces. I’m going to give them the benefit of doubt, that maybe the aircraft got turned over to the Fire Department, that the night vision pieces are for S&R in the copious wilderness, and the assault rifles are just less expensive than buying whatever other kinds of rifles they’d have gotten from not-from-the-Pentagon.

Heh.
An Alabama Police Department Has No Idea Why It Owns Two Drones

gizmodo.com

235 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 3:44:19pm

The police chief comes off like John Lovitz’s pathological liar SNL character and when he says something new and revealing he is also saying “Yeah, that’s the ticket.”

Winging it!

236 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 3:45:16pm

Whoa. The GOP’s rising star just got indicted.

237 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:46:35pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

This sounds extremely fishy, since Jackson actually put out the story about the struggle inside the car almost immediately, but only now is he mentioning that Wilson saw the cigarillos and connected it to the robbery.

This stinks. The more he talks the more he sounds like he’s making it up as he goes along.

and in the second presser, Jackson said the stop had NOTHING to do with the robbery.

238 b.d.  Aug 15, 2014 3:46:39pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

Whoa. The GOP’s rising star just got indicted.

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Ooooops

239 klys  Aug 15, 2014 3:47:02pm

re: #226 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Has the police officer even been deposed and given testimony? Because if not, then the whole “We’re not releasing details so as not to tip hands to witnesses” thing just went out the window.

I’m sure he found some time to do it somewhere before he left town with his family a few days ago.

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240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:47:54pm

re: #227 sagehen

yeah, my county could use a helicopter, but then the sheriff would have to have a pilot and they won’t work for ~$13/hour like a regular deputy.

241 TedStriker  Aug 15, 2014 3:48:00pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

Whoa. The GOP’s rising star just got indicted.

I know a grand jury indictment isn’t a trial conviction by any stretch of the imagination, but, right now, I’ve come down with a raging case of schadenfreude.

242 teleskiguy  Aug 15, 2014 3:48:01pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

Whoa. The GOP’s rising star just got indicted.

ITZ A DEMONCRAT POLITICUL WICH HUNT!!!

243 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 3:48:19pm
244 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 3:50:09pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Heh.
An Alabama Police Department Has No Idea Why It Owns Two Drones

gizmodo.com

I have a feeling that in ten years a lot of that stuff is going to show up all unused, dusty and rusty on American Pickers, and most of it won’t be worth more than scrap.

245 GeneJockey  Aug 15, 2014 3:51:48pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Heh.
An Alabama Police Department Has No Idea Why It Owns Two Drones

gizmodo.com

They’re supposed to fight each other. What could be more obvious?

246 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 3:52:05pm

I’m reading John Grisham’s The Innocent Man right now and, while it doesn’t have the same precipitating incident, it does have police, prosecutors and lawyers that are scarily similar to what we’re seeing right now in what’s considered “adequate” investigation and prosecution in St. Louis County.

247 GeneJockey  Aug 15, 2014 3:52:16pm

re: #244 De Kolta Chair

I have a feeling that in ten years a lot of that stuff is going to show up all unused, dusty and rusty on American Pickers. And it’s not going to be worth a dime.

Somebody will buy the guns.

248 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 3:53:41pm

re: #247 GeneJockey

Somebody will buy the guns.

ex-Chief Kessler.

249 blueraven  Aug 15, 2014 3:53:55pm

ux.kvue.com

Perry vetoed state funds for the office after District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg refused to resign following a DWI conviction.

After the veto, Perry said he could not give money to Lehmberg’s office because she had lost the public’s confidence after her arrest in April 2013. Lehmberg pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 45 days in jail. She served 21 days.

250 Cheechako  Aug 15, 2014 3:54:23pm

The way the FPD Chief and STL County Attorney are handling the situation in Ferguson is going to force the DOJ/FBI into a much larger investigation than was originally planned. These clowns are going to find themselves sitting in front of a Federal Grand Jury before this is all over.

251 darthstar  Aug 15, 2014 3:54:38pm

I’m guessing the ‘care’ in Obamacare is supposed to be silent in Ms. Ernst’s ad.

252 Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2014 3:57:29pm

In other news….

Texas Governor Rick Perry indicted by grand jury

By my recollection, the investigation was conducted buy a Republican DA from Williamson County, TX

At the center of the issue is a complaint about intimidation stemming from Perry’s threat to veto of $3.7 million in state funding to the Public Integrity Unit run by Lehmberg’s office. The threat came after she pleaded guilty to drunk driving and served a 45-day sentence; Perry called on her to step down but she refused to resign her position. Perry then vetoed the funding for the PIU.

Whoops……

253 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 3:58:21pm

re: #224 TedStriker

Which is still around:
walgreens.com

Sweet. Fortunately, that’s the one thing I’ve never had a problem with. You can also buy it in the old packaging at the shop at the Louis Armstrong House Museum in Corona, Queens, a must see for anyone visiting NYC. I’m kind of an evangelist for the place. The decor alone is worth the visit, and there are some very good Central American restaurants in the neighb as well.

254 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 3:59:38pm

re: #227 sagehen

Bergen County NJ, which includes multiple municipalities, got 76 assault rifles, 4 pistols, 2 grenade launchers, and 2 shotguns.

In comparison, Essex (which includes Newark), got 4 helicopters, 1,136 night vision goggles, 132 assault rifles, and 52 body armor kits.

255 sagehen  Aug 15, 2014 3:59:49pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah, my county could use a helicopter, but then the sheriff would have to have a pilot and they won’t work for ~$13/hour like a regular deputy.

actually… they will. Pilots a) love flying a whole lot, and b) need a certain number of hours to keep their license current. Free flight time will get qualified pilots lined up down the block; if they get enough money for dinner that’s a really nice bonus.

(it’s the mechanics who are expensive. and they have to do a thorough inspection and usually some minor repairs every 100 hours of flight time.)

256 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 4:01:02pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

Now that’s a nice juicy Friday night news dump.

257 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 4:02:26pm

re: #256 lawhawk

Now that’s a nice juicy Friday night news dump.

Speaking of dumps, did you happen to see my comments about urology and laxatives above? ;-)

258 Boyo  Aug 15, 2014 4:02:41pm

re: #256 lawhawk

beat me to it..the ole friday night dump

wow

259 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 4:03:01pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

At this point, we need one of those slider images showing the different stages of Capt. Jackson’s nonsensical explanations for the shooting that don’t actually shed any light on the situation.

260 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 4:03:01pm

re: #255 sagehen

actually… they will. Pilots a) love flying a whole lot, and b) need a certain number of hours to keep their license current. Free flight time will get qualified pilots lined up down the block; if they get enough money for dinner that’s a really nice bonus.

(it’s the mechanics who are expensive. and they have to do a thorough inspection and usually some minor repairs every 100 hours of flight time.)

OK, ya got me on that. Totally true!

262 darthstar  Aug 15, 2014 4:05:09pm
263 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 4:07:08pm
264 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 4:07:51pm

re: #255 sagehen

actually… they will. Pilots a) love flying a whole lot, and b) need a certain number of hours to keep their license current. Free flight time will get qualified pilots lined up down the block; if they get enough money for dinner that’s a really nice bonus.

(it’s the mechanics who are expensive. and they have to do a thorough inspection and usually some minor repairs every 100 hours of flight time.)

Guessing they would be something like a UH-1, operating cost > $835/hr. If somebody gets a Blackhawk, that’s about $2,500.

militarynuts.com

265 Boyo  Aug 15, 2014 4:08:35pm

friday dump

“Ferguson police will release the name of the officer who fired the shots that killed 18-year-old Michael Brown by Tuesday afternoon.”

but hey, friday dump is best dump

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 4:09:47pm
267 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 4:15:29pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Alas, for too many folks “justice” simply means incarceration by any means.

268 TedStriker  Aug 15, 2014 4:17:38pm

re: #267 De Kolta Chair

Alas, for too many folks “justice” simply means incarceration.

Or street beatdowns and executions by cops and vigilantes.

269 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 4:18:54pm

re: #268 TedStriker

Or street executions by cops and vigilantes.

But you can bet your sweet bippy that Rick Perry is screaming “Justice!” right now, while on the phone with Tom DeLay’s lawyer.

270 b.d.  Aug 15, 2014 4:19:08pm

Right wing radio freaking out over Perry.

Maybe if we tell the GOP that Michael Brown was a republican they’ll change their tune? Seems that there is no such thing as a guilty republican.

271 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 4:20:42pm

re: #269 De Kolta Chair

But you can bet your sweet bippy that Rick Perry is screaming “Justice!” right now, while on the phone to Tom DeLay’s lawyer.

I named my first cat Bippy.

272 b.d.  Aug 15, 2014 4:20:45pm

The citizens of Ferguson supposedly run their own town. Time for the Mayor to fire the police chief or for the citizens to vote in people who can populate the civil service in that town with people who f*cking get it.

273 Kid A  Aug 15, 2014 4:20:53pm

Rick Perry indicted. There is a God.

274 klys  Aug 15, 2014 4:21:14pm

Even if there was an attack, it cannot justify shooting someone who has their hands up and is separated from the officer by sufficient distance to allow the officer time to react to movement.

FFS.

275 b.d.  Aug 15, 2014 4:21:58pm

re: #269 De Kolta Chair

But you can bet your sweet bippy that Rick Perry is screaming “Justice!” right now.

Perry better not be talking to a trial lawyer, republicans hate those but sure do seem to hire a bunch of them

276 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 4:22:53pm

re: #271 wrenchwench

I named my first cat Bippy.

Bippy’s a grand name. I apologize for any inference with that Texass slug.

I once had a cat named Murpy, or should I say he once had me.

277 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 4:26:15pm

re: #274 klys

Even if there was an attack, it cannot justify shooting someone who has their hands up and is separated from the officer by sufficient distance to allow the officer time to react to movement.

FFS.

He’s not very good at this posting comments thing. I mean, he can post a comment, but not make or defend a point.

278 Boyo  Aug 15, 2014 4:26:34pm

re: #276 De Kolta Chair

upding for getting Norwegian Wood to play in my head

279 Sionainn  Aug 15, 2014 4:27:44pm

So, is there an actual police report out on the shooting or is everything just coming from the chief of police?

280 klys  Aug 15, 2014 4:28:23pm

re: #279 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP

So, is there an actual police report out on the shooting or is everything just coming from the chief of police?

No actual report out. What is known is what the witnesses have said to the media (at least 3 that I know have spoken publicly) and what the chief has said.

281 darthstar  Aug 15, 2014 4:30:00pm
282 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 4:31:13pm
283 ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2014 4:32:04pm

But the big question…is Ricky going to lose the glasses???

If he is using them to look smarter, well…

284 TedStriker  Aug 15, 2014 4:33:17pm

re: #278 Boyo

upding for getting Norwegian Wood to play in my head

Isn’t it good…Norweigan wood?

285 goddamnedfrank  Aug 15, 2014 4:35:06pm

re: #274 klys

Even if there was an attack, it cannot justify shooting someone who has their hands up and is separated from the officer by sufficient distance to allow the officer time to react to movement.

FFS.

Shooting a fleeing suspect in the back at best over some Swisher Sweets, then continuing to shoot him when he turns around with his hands up.

286 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 4:36:03pm

re: #278 Boyo

upding for getting Norwegian Wood to play in my head

Happy to oblige. Here’s a bit o’ trivia: My favorite Dylan song is Fourth Time Around, which has pretty much the same melody and plot as the previously written Norwegian Wood. The story goes that Zimmy thought it was funny, and perhaps was a mite upset, that Lennon had started writing Dylanesque songs and wanted to show him how it’s really done.

287 Boyo  Aug 15, 2014 4:38:18pm

re: #284 TedStriker

très bien

288 Boyo  Aug 15, 2014 4:40:41pm

re: #286 De Kolta Chair

hehe wow..nice
I did not know that

289 harlequinade  Aug 15, 2014 4:43:00pm

Can I cut and paste from Downstairs - about the video released?

re: #206 BeachDem

Going back to Jackson’s morning presser. According to what he said, here’s rough timeline (among other things, I want to know how the hell Wilson made it from Glenark to the scene in 1 minute—or am I missing something?)

11:48 Officer Wilson at sick call on Glenark
11:51 911 Call from a convenience store (Ferguson Market & Liquor, W. Florrisant)
11:52 Description of robbery suspect dispatched
? A different officer arrives at store
? Further description dispatched—says suspect walking toward Quik Trip
12:00 Officer Wilson leaves Glenark
12:01 Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown on Canfield Dr.
12:04 Second officer arrives on scene
12:05 Supervisor dispatched to scene and other officers arrive
? Ambulance from Glenark call arrives at scene to “assess” Michael Brown

That’s not the timeline.
It’s - rather

11:48 Officer Wilson at sick call on Glenark
11:51 Paperwork dates the 911 Call from a convenience store (Ferguson Market & Liquor, W. Florrisant)
11:52 Description of robbery suspect dispatched. “Man-Supposed-To-Be-Brown” Enters the convenience store.
? A different officer arrives at store
? Further description dispatched—says suspect walking toward Quik Trip
11:54 Potentially, store owner says “Call the Police”
11:55 “Man-Supposed-To-Be-Brown” exits the convenience store.
12:00 Officer Wilson leaves Glenark
12:01 Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown on Canfield Dr.
12:04 Second officer arrives on scene
12:05 Supervisor dispatched to scene and other officers arrive
? Ambulance from Glenark call arrives at scene to “assess” Michael Brown

290 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 4:46:11pm

re: #289 harlequinade

add:
Anytime 081514: Chief Jackson spins like a top grabbing “facts” wherever he can get them.

291 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 4:49:25pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait just a freakin minute

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Darren Wilson is now a SLPD officer????

Tapper needs to STFU.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch the paper he is quoting, not St. Louis Police Department.

Confused me too so I tweeted and he answered…

292 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 4:56:02pm

re: #277 wrenchwench

He’s not very good at this posting comments thing. I mean, he can post a comment, but not make or defend a point.

He’s just an asshole troll.

293 wrenchwench  Aug 15, 2014 4:56:51pm

re: #292 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s just an asshole troll.

That’s what my comment originally looked like. I edited the hell out of it.

294 De Kolta Chair  Aug 15, 2014 5:11:50pm

re: #288 Boyo

hehe wow..nice
I did not know that

I take that back about 4th Time Around having pretty much the same plot. Dylan’s is infinitely more twisted. Raymond Chandler comes to mind:

I stood there and hummed
I tapped on her drum and asked her how come
And she buttoned her boot
And straightened her suit
Then she said, don’t get cute

295 alpuz  Aug 15, 2014 7:03:52pm

re: #50 Kragar

Don’t own a gun, never have. When I was a kid(22) I had an Akita/Elkhound mix dog that grew old. In her old age she would attack any animal smaller than her if she wasn’t leashed. So, that’s that.

An acquaintance of a friend thought it might be a good idea to let her off of her rope one night(I was inside prepping dinner). Welp, the neighbor’s dog that roamed freely for months and would taunt her within feet of her rope became target number 1. She did her thing..

End of story, the dude who owned the unleashed dog threatened to shoot her with that very same gun. First I’d ever heard of it.

296 alpuz  Aug 15, 2014 7:04:28pm

End of thread… again. Sigh.


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