1 | Kragar Aug 15, 2014 12:54:24pm |
The entire Ferguson PD needs to be suspended and put on review at this point.
2 | Schadenboner Aug 15, 2014 12:55:59pm |
Why, exactly, did they feel the need to pull out a long gun after the subject was dead?
3 | klys Aug 15, 2014 12:56:12pm |
From the tweets, the shooting happened at roughly 12:02-12:03. From the timeline from the PD, second officer arrived on scene at 12:04.
4 | Targetpractice Aug 15, 2014 12:56:22pm |
More witnesses showing up every day, but still we’re supposed to accept the cop’s version of events as filtered through his superiors, as he’s already hauled ass out of town and his report is being withheld so as not to “influence witnesses.”
Yegods, what a clusterfuck.
5 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 12:57:04pm |
re: #2 Schadenboner
Why, exactly, did they feel the need to pull out a long gun after the suspect was dead?
Because black people are animals, now shuddup.
6 | Craigo Aug 15, 2014 12:59:11pm |
Q: from behind?
A: the first two was, he next 5 weren’t, he turned around
Christ.
7 | stpaulbear Aug 15, 2014 1:00:20pm |
re: #2 Schadenboner
Why, exactly, did they feel the need to pull out a long gun after the subject was dead?
Because there were still plenty of live black people in the neighborhood?
8 | Targetpractice Aug 15, 2014 1:00:52pm |
re: #6 Craigo
Q: from behind?
A: the first two was, he next 5 weren’t, he turned aroundChrist.
Ayep. He turned around to surrender and the cop continued to shoot him until he lay on the ground bleeding to death. God help this cop if either autopsy shows the shots were not immediately fatal.
9 | Gus Aug 15, 2014 1:01:51pm |
So 2 shots missed, then he fires 2 at his back, Brown turns around, and empties the remaining 5. Total of 9 rounds.
10 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 1:02:17pm |
re: #8 Targetpractice
Ayep. He turned around to surrender and the cop continued to shoot him until he lay on the ground bleeding to death. God help this cop if either autopsy shows the shots were not immediately fatal.
Somebody, anybody, try to justify this to me. I dare you.
11 | Pie-onist Overlord Aug 15, 2014 1:02:58pm |
re: #2 Schadenboner
Why, exactly, did they feel the need to pull out a long gun after the subject was dead?
They thought he might become a zombie
12 | Kilroy01 Aug 15, 2014 1:03:03pm |
I do hope the CSI guys aren’t from this department.
I’m wondering about powder burns on his back and the rest.
I do not trust these idiots at all.
13 | Gus Aug 15, 2014 1:03:33pm |
The first two was clear, then it was a barage of them shits— Bruh. (@TheePharoah) August 9, 2014
Clear, meaning he missed. Then…
@SLIKK_DARKO the first two was, the next 5 werent, he turned around— Bruh. (@TheePharoah) August 9, 2014
9 rounds or one magazine.
14 | Gus Aug 15, 2014 1:04:50pm |
Eventually we’ll get the autopsy results regardless of what those geniuses at the Ferguson PD say.
15 | Targetpractice Aug 15, 2014 1:05:20pm |
re: #14 Gus
Eventually we’ll get the autopsy regardless of what those geniuses at the Ferguson PD say.
I imagine those are part of the FOIA request.
16 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 1:06:12pm |
Tin foil hat time again…
Why am I feeling like Chief Jackson and friends are really unhappy that there were no riots last night?
17 | lawhawk Aug 15, 2014 1:06:16pm |
re: #12 Kilroy01
I do hope the CSI guys aren’t from this department.
I’m wondering about powder burns on his back and the rest.I do not trust these idiots at all.
The County Police are in charge of the investigation. That doesn’t exactly provide me with much confidence either.
18 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 1:06:55pm |
re: #13 Gus
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9 rounds or one magazine.
Actually, the way I was reading “Clear” is that there were two shots, separate, then he just started pulling the trigger until he emptied the clip.
19 | Kilroy01 Aug 15, 2014 1:08:52pm |
re: #17 lawhawk
Oh boy, I do hope the DOJ and FBI are checking these weasels work.
20 | Minor_L Aug 15, 2014 1:09:35pm |
I know this is secondary, but interesting the way he says he didn’t feel threatened to live there when he signed the lease. Now he has to be afraid… of the police.
I can’t believe this is still the America we live in.
21 | stpaulbear Aug 15, 2014 1:10:01pm |
re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth
Tin foil hat time again…
Why am I feeling like Chief Jackson and friends are really unhappy that there were no riots last night?
Johnson is going to have his hands full this weekend trying to keep things calm. Can you imagine how pissed off he is at the Ferguson PD?
22 | Minor_L Aug 15, 2014 1:10:34pm |
To Lawhawk:
I didn’t get to the last thread in time, but I just wanted to compliment you on your piece. Fine piece of writing. Thank you for doing that.
23 | Craigo Aug 15, 2014 1:11:08pm |
re: #13 Gus
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9 rounds or one magazine.
This isn’t particularly relevant, but most police sidearms have a much larger capacity than that these days. Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas are have a capacity in the mid to high teens.
24 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 1:12:47pm |
re: #23 Craigo
This isn’t particularly relevant, but most police sidearms have a much larger capacity than that these days. Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas are have a capacity in the mid to high teens.
Depends on the round and if it’s a double-feeding clip.
25 | Kragar Aug 15, 2014 1:13:17pm |
#tcot Logic: If you shoot & kill an unarmed person and can later link them tenuously to a crime, its not murder #Ferguson #UniteBlue— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) August 15, 2014
26 | OhNoZombies! Aug 15, 2014 1:13:19pm |
I thought only murderers killed people, then hid out…
Oh, wait.
27 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 1:14:54pm |
. @CNN has been calling Mike Brown a “felon” all day, even though he has no criminal history.
— AnneFrank (@zuri_one) August 15, 2014
Thanks, Jeff Zucker.
28 | blueraven Aug 15, 2014 1:15:03pm |
@TheePharoah is there somewhere I can reach you? I'm with CNN and in ferguson
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) August 15, 2014
29 | TedStriker Aug 15, 2014 1:15:53pm |
re: #24 thedopefishlives
Depends on the round and if it’s a double-feeding clip.
Uhh, ‘Dave In Austin’, what’s the deal on the downding here?
30 | Mattand Aug 15, 2014 1:16:08pm |
re: #10 thedopefishlives
Somebody, anybody, try to justify this to me. I dare you.
I’ve been talking to two fucking conservatives on FB about this. They’ve got enough justification to strangle a blue whale.
One guy was practically doing a jig when the supposed shoplifting story came out.
31 | KiTA Aug 15, 2014 1:17:08pm |
How long till this guy’s twitter account gets suspended and he vanishes or gets arrested for… something?
I half expect Jimmy the Twit or Erik son of Erik to accuse him of being an Obama agent at this point.
32 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 1:17:31pm |
Behind the scenes in the 9am news office pic.twitter.com/KUQbuubq7Z— joe millitzer (@jmillitzer) August 15, 2014
34 | Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 15, 2014 1:17:43pm |
From Ethical Society of Police:
The first thing we would like to assure the world is that this is a horrific coincidence.
May I assure the world that this is not the President of the Ethical Society of Police’s Sergeant Darren R. Wilson who is African-American, and happens to be an 18 year veteran of the St. Louis Police Department.
I’m sure additional clarification statements will be released immediately.
Thank you for your continued support.
35 | Danny Aug 15, 2014 1:18:29pm |
re: #23 Craigo
This isn’t particularly relevant, but most police sidearms have a much larger capacity than that these days. Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas are have a capacity in the mid to high teens.
I may be misremembering but in an earlier press conference I think Jackson said the Sig carried by Wilson had 11 rounds; 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber.
36 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 1:18:51pm |
“So, I just killed this unarmed teenager.” ”Did you have a good reason?” ”Yes.” ”Ok, take some vacation, we'll sort it out from here.”
— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) August 15, 2014
37 | Randall Gross Aug 15, 2014 1:20:07pm |
Hopefully someone’s FOIA’ed for the radio logs etc. I’m still curious how the supervisor got there ahead of the ambulance.
38 | KerFuFFler Aug 15, 2014 1:20:35pm |
It seems like a real miscarriage of justice to insist on waiting weeks for irrelevant toxicology reports on the victim before releasing the autopsy results. If the autopsy shows entry wounds on the back and several additional rounds from the front that would seem to me to be enough corroborating evidence to arrest the shooter post haste.
39 | TedStriker Aug 15, 2014 1:21:03pm |
re: #33 Dave In Austin
Click the karma number for dopefish’s #24…
40 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:21:29pm |
re: #34 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
From Ethical Society of Police:
Probably Officer Wilson from the Unethical Society of Police.
41 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 1:22:01pm |
This whole Ferguson shooting is becoming one very sad statement. It is approaching the outrageous level. The you-can’t-write-this-shit state of real.
It’d be a great movie, a dark comedy of a fictitious little Missouri town where down-home, this-is-how-we-do-it policing is laughable and dangerous all at the same time. But, it is real.
The Feds should send in troops to surround the local police departments, put all the cops in jail until each and every one can be thoroughly interviewed about all they know. Make sure no records get outside or destroyed, etc. That department is an ugly mess. I bet there are other skeletons in some closets.
42 | lawhawk Aug 15, 2014 1:22:14pm |
And then there’s this:
Police officers in Ferguson haven't been wearing identification: http://t.co/gqpEebLfa7— The Slatest (@slatest) August 15, 2014
No names, no badge numbers, or other identification of officers who were out during the protests.
43 | Craigo Aug 15, 2014 1:22:42pm |
re: #35 Danny
I may be misremembering but in an earlier press conference I think Jackson said the Sig carried by Wilson had 11 rounds; 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber.
Okay, I missed that one.
This is relevant in a roundabout way - witnesses to shootings routinely misremember the number of shots fired. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson emptied his gun, and this particular witness missed one or two reports, which is especially easy to do when they’re fired in succession.
It may sound like a small point to harp on, but the shooter’s defense team will attack credibility anyway they can.
44 | Kilroy01 Aug 15, 2014 1:22:49pm |
re: #35 Danny
I may be misremembering but in an earlier press conference I think Jackson said the Sig carried by Wilson had 11 rounds; 10 in the bag and 1 in the chamber.
I’ve been trying to find it in the video archives on the local station.
I remember it being a 10MM Glock but I thought it was 9 and 1 in the pipe for a total of 10.
45 | Kragar Aug 15, 2014 1:23:22pm |
“And we'd have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!” @DCPlod— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) August 15, 2014
46 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:23:27pm |
re: #42 lawhawk
And then there’s this:
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No names, no badge numbers, or other identification of officers who were out during the protests.
Good thing for them there are no cameras in the vicinity.
47 | Dave In Austin Aug 15, 2014 1:23:33pm |
Clips? I have a hi- cap that goes 13 and 1 in the chamber. A standard is 9 +1. And please, I’m not a weapons guy or a LEO. I’m sick if this shit.
48 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 1:23:59pm |
re: #42 lawhawk
And then there’s this:
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No names, no badge numbers, or other identification of officers who were out during the protests.
Thus, this:
Here, for example, is one of the officers who cuffed me. Still wouldn't give me his name. pic.twitter.com/oq7N9h2YaT
— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) August 15, 2014
49 | Kid A Aug 15, 2014 1:24:24pm |
Limbaugh was literally gleeful today, calling him “the Gentle Giant,” saying “the robbery is a game-changer,” and all this shit. Of course, we now know that the cop had no idea Brown was a suspect, and SO FUCKING WHAT??!! Even if he did swipe a $30 box of shitty cigars, he deserved to take 10 bullets? He was 18, and god knows teenagers do stupid shit. If he was alive and had been charged, considering he had no criminal history, he might, MIGHT have received six months probation and if he completed it without incident, it would have been dropped from his record.
50 | Kragar Aug 15, 2014 1:25:07pm |
I’ve got a Ruger .40, 10 round magazine. Depending on the manufacturer, 8-12 rounds for .40 or higher are standard
51 | klys Aug 15, 2014 1:25:33pm |
Either Darren Wilson never did anything on the Internet (unlikely for a 28 year old), posted exclusively on a pseudonym (possible, will probably come out at some point if so), or did an impressively good job of scrubbing his online presence in the week he’s had to do so.
52 | Dave In Austin Aug 15, 2014 1:26:01pm |
re: #50 Kragar
I’ve got a Ruger .40, 10 round magazine. Depending on the manufacturer, 8-12 rounds for .40 or higher are standard
I have a .45
53 | Aqua Obama Aug 15, 2014 1:26:40pm |
Reposted here since I was late to the new thread:
H.Amdt.918 to H.R.4870
Purpose:
An amendment to prohibit use of funds to transfer aircraft (including unmanned aerial vehicles), armored vehicles, grenade launchers, silencers, toxicological agents, launch vehicles, guided missiles, ballistic missiles, rockets, torpedoes, bombs, mines, or nuclear weapons through the DOD Excess Personal Property Program established pursuant to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1997.
The vote was 62-355. Not a single representative from the Deep South or Missouri voted for it (and no, Florida doesn’t count).
54 | sagehen Aug 15, 2014 1:28:07pm |
re: #51 klys
Either Darren Wilson never did anything on the Internet (unlikely for a 28 year old), posted exclusively on a pseudonym (possible, will probably come out at some point if so), or
did an impressively good job ofhad expert assistance scrubbing his online presence in the week he’s had to do so.
55 | Danny Aug 15, 2014 1:28:47pm |
re: #44 Kilroy01
I’ve been trying to find it in the video archeives on the local station.
I remember it being a 10MM Glock but I thought it was 9 and 1 in the pipe for a total of 10.
Sig Sauer .40 is what I recall.
56 | Stanley Sea Aug 15, 2014 1:29:23pm |
re: #51 klys
Either Darren Wilson never did anything on the Internet (unlikely for a 28 year old), posted exclusively on a pseudonym (possible, will probably come out at some point if so), or did an impressively good job of scrubbing his online presence in the week he’s had to do so.
I’m sure he scrubbed it, then got on the plane with his family.
57 | EPR-radar Aug 15, 2014 1:30:12pm |
re: #43 Craigo
Okay, I missed that one.
This is relevant in a roundabout way - witnesses to shootings routinely misremember the number of shots fired. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson emptied his gun, and this particular witness missed one or two reports, which is especially easy to do when they’re fired in succession.
It may sound like a small point to harp on, but the shooter’s defense team will attack credibility anyway they can.
One would hope that the prosecution’s counter-argument of “can you believe the shit the defense is pulling? —- they want to quibble over the exact number of shots fired and whether witnesses counted the shots accurately in a case of someone being gunned down by a cop for no reason” would have more weight with a jury.
However, who can say what kind of jury in MO would end up hearing any case against the cop.
58 | BeachDem Aug 15, 2014 1:30:39pm |
re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth
Tin foil hat time again…
Why am I feeling like Chief Jackson and friends are really unhappy that there were no riots last night?
Chief Jackson, Prosecutor McCollough, Chief Belmar, and, of course, the ever-effervescent Jim Hoft and Dana Loesch .
59 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:30:44pm |
re: #56 Stanley Sea
I’m sure he scrubbed it, then got on the plane with his family.
Well there’s a challenge for the Anonymous kiddies.
60 | klys Aug 15, 2014 1:30:49pm |
re: #54 sagehen
Yeah, that’s the cynical side of me thinking too. I grant that in some ways the media attention has made searching hard, because all the top results are screaming about the story, but. All I have found is reference to one public record and some vague potential connections.
61 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:31:42pm |
re: #57 EPR-radar
One would hope that the prosecution’s counter-argument of “can you believe the shit the defense is pulling? —- they want to quibble over the exact number of shots fired and whether witnesses counted the shots accurately in a case of someone being gunned down by a cop for no reason” would have more weight with a jury.
However, who can say what kind of jury in MO would end up hearing any case against the cop.
Cop would want a change of venue—maybe Pulaski TN.
62 | klys Aug 15, 2014 1:32:29pm |
re: #59 Decatur Deb
Well there’s a challenge for the Anonymous kiddies.
Ugh, I’d really prefer it not done by them. You know, willingness to smear unrelated people, not very good at verifying that it is the right person, etc.
63 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:33:15pm |
re: #62 klys
Ugh, I’d really prefer it not done by them. You know, willingness to smear unrelated people, not very good at verifying that it is the right person, etc.
Set a moron to catch a moron.
64 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 1:33:31pm |
re: #58 BeachDem
Chief Jackson, Prosecutor McCollough, Chief Belmar, and, of course, the ever-effervescent Jim Hoft and Dana Loesch .
Now I’m wondering how St. Louis got frozen into a pre-Civil Rights racial separatist mentality.
65 | BeachDem Aug 15, 2014 1:33:49pm |
re: #28 blueraven
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Oh please, not Jake Tapper—RUN, THEE PHAROAH, RUN LIKE THE WIND.
66 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:34:51pm |
re: #64 jaunte
Now I’m wondering how St. Louis got frozen into a pre-Civil Rights racial separatist mentality.
Nostalgia.
67 | EPR-radar Aug 15, 2014 1:35:28pm |
re: #61 Decatur Deb
Cop would want a change of venue—maybe Pulaski TN.
Pick the right suburb of St Louis and a sufficiently cop-friendly jury could probably be assembled in MO, even with the reporting on this subject.
Of course that would be the same super-genius plan that led directly to the LA riots a few years back.
68 | Targetpractice Aug 15, 2014 1:35:42pm |
re: #61 Decatur Deb
Cop would want a change of venue—maybe Pulaski TN.
Lidane has commented that in past days in relation to the FPD’s actions and I sincerely believe that may be an element to what’s happening, the tainting of any potential jury pool with the intention of changing venue to a much whiter community.
69 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 1:37:12pm |
You know the idiots are going to say the fact the cop didn’t know about the shoplift suspects, but managed to stop Brown and his buddy and then had one take off running told the crack cop, Brown must be one of them.
So, it was just Damn Good Policing™ and demonstrated a real good guy cop aware of what criminals look like. In Brown he saw a criminal and knew he couldn’t get away.
/// yeah, but someone is going to go there in the internet world of anything can be explained, no matter the stretch..
70 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 1:37:17pm |
I'm not posting the surveillance video of Michael Brown. It's completely irrelevant, except as an example of character assassination.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
Ferguson PD chief went on Fox News. He knew very well how that audience would react to the surveillance video. Disgusting.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
71 | lawhawk Aug 15, 2014 1:37:42pm |
Family of #MichaelBrown to host press conference with attorneys at 3:30pm CDT/ 4:30pm EST pic.twitter.com/Yxcw2oPDvL— Benjamin Crump, Esq. (@attorneycrump) August 15, 2014
72 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:40:48pm |
re: #71 lawhawk
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Tallahassee PR firm. Were they involved with the Zimmerman or Jacksonville ‘loud music’ shootings?
73 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 1:41:17pm |
74 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 1:41:41pm |
After those last tweets I’m getting yelled at by right wing morons.
@Green_Footballs don't you have to HAVE character for it to be assassinated? #thug #mikebrown #HandsUpDontRobMe— Rob Zodiac (@tyronewhite41) August 15, 2014
75 | Rightwingconspirator Aug 15, 2014 1:42:18pm |
A writer at Petapixel really hits it out of the park.
Paged an excerpt.
76 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 1:42:30pm |
Dooley seeks special prosecutor in Ferguson case
St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley will lead an effort to appoint a special prosecutor to handle the case involving an officer who shot unarmed teenager Michael Brown.
Dooley spoke with Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster today and asked the process to remove St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch from the case. Tension has mounted over the county’s handling of the situation. McCulloch fought back on Thursday, criticizing a state effort that replaced county police handling protests in Ferguson.
“The county executive believes Bob McCulloch is biased and shouldn’t handle this case,” said Pat Washington, Dooley’s spokeswoman.
The process isn’t easy. Dooley doesn’t have the power to remove McCulloch. Washington said he must obtain signatures and petition a judge for the removal.
77 | BeachDem Aug 15, 2014 1:43:16pm |
re: #67 EPR-radar
Pick the right suburb of St Louis and a sufficiently cop-friendly jury could probably be assembled in MO, even with the reporting on this subject.
Of course that would be the same super-genius plan that led directly to the LA riots a few years back.
And with the current prosecutor, who apparently does not like having “those people” on his juries.
78 | Aqua Obama Aug 15, 2014 1:43:35pm |
re: #64 jaunte
Now I’m wondering how St. Louis got frozen into a pre-Civil Rights racial separatist mentality.
I’d like to know why Missouri somehow fell so far behind the rest of the country. Somehow Missouri went from being some kind of bellwether state to having a bust of Rush Limbaugh in the state rotunda. And wow, those police.
I think the even the governor was opposed to desegregation efforts when he was Attorney General.
79 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 1:44:54pm |
While I was a cops reporter, two guys stole a cart filled with $500 worth of meat from a grocery store. Fled police. Arrested, both ROR'd.
— Ian Actual (@iboudreau) August 15, 2014
80 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 1:45:06pm |
good presser with Brown family spokespeople.
Saying right up front that Michael wasn’t an angel and urging calm in reacting to today’s revelations.
81 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 1:46:28pm |
Brown family attorney on releasing the video: “The family feels that was strategic… he's now inciting the community all over again.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
82 | Stanley Sea Aug 15, 2014 1:46:48pm |
re: #72 Decatur Deb
Tallahassee PR firm. Were they involved with the Zimmerman or Jacksonville ‘loud music’ shootings?
Yes, he was the Martin family’s atty.
83 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 1:47:29pm |
84 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:48:05pm |
re: #82 Stanley Sea
Yes, he was the Martin family’s atty.
Shit. I’d hate to see this become a specialty in the law schools.
85 | GlutenFreeJesus Aug 15, 2014 1:48:31pm |
re: #23 Craigo
This isn’t particularly relevant, but most police sidearms have a much larger capacity than that these days. Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas are have a capacity in the mid to high teens.
Depends on the caliber. .40S&W and .45ACP won’t have the capacity a 9mm would. Two of my 9mm have 19 round magazines, another has 16 round capacity. My .45ACP has a 10 round capacity.
86 | Rightwingconspirator Aug 15, 2014 1:50:58pm |
Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? I am. I realized this story has gotten to me some. When I was young and sometimes speeding or had some marijuana on me or a friend in my car I was a little afraid. Then in my middle age I found myself having fun competing with cops at shooting events. So me reaction was positive on first sight of a uniform.
Honestly, today when I saw a bigger than usual squad of sheriffs checking everyone going into the Red Line subway I felt a little inner flinch, an instinctive fraction of a second of concern.
Silly of me really. I’m a white guy and have nothing illegal on my person. Just another bland commuter.
Maybe I should poll this.
87 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 1:51:11pm |
Really good presser with the speakers clearly calling for peaceful reactions.
88 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:51:24pm |
re: #78 Aqua Obama
I’d like to know why Missouri somehow fell so far behind the rest of the country. Somehow Missouri went from being some kind of bellwether state to having a bust of Rush Limbaugh in the state rotunda. And wow, those police.
I think the even the governor was opposed to desegregation efforts when he was Attorney General.
Do read the synopsis of the E St. Louis riots. The history is there.
89 | Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 15, 2014 1:52:25pm |
re: #86 Rightwingconspirator
Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street?
No, I’m a white guy who lives in the Upper East Side of Manhattan.
And I’m from the Bay Area, so I’ve known what it’s like to live in an area with a shitty PD prone to fucking up and covering up.
90 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:52:46pm |
re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth
good presser with Brown family spokespeople.
Saying right up front that Michael wasn’t an angel and urging calm in reacting to today’s revelations.
“We’re going to have to find a better class of prisoner murder victim.”
-Gov Lester Maddox
91 | whitebeach Aug 15, 2014 1:53:56pm |
This guy’s tweets have the ring of immediate eyewitness truth and closely match what other witnesses have said, but they do create one perhaps minor mystery: How did TheePharaoh, apparently posting very soon after the shooting, hear about the stolen rellos? The grapevine in Ferguson must be broadband for sure.
92 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 1:54:27pm |
re: #86 Rightwingconspirator
Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? I am I realized this story has gotten to me some. When I was young and sometimes speeding or had some marijuana on me or a friend in my car I was a little afraid. Then in my middle age I found myself having fun competing with cops at shooting events. So me reaction was positive on first sight of a uniform.
Honestly, today when I saw a bigger than usual squad of sheriffs checking everyone going into the Red Line subway I felt a little inner flinch, an instinctive fraction of a second of concern.
Silly of me really. I’m a white guy and have nothing illegal on my person. Just another bland commuter.
Maybe I should poll this.
When I was much, much younger, I got pulled over quite often only to have the officer ask me for my phone number.
However, the black and Hispanic members of my extended family really do worry large time when they see that light, and it bumps up to eleventy when it happens south of the Ohio River.
It is real.
93 | makeitstop Aug 15, 2014 1:54:35pm |
Quick OT question: I’m seeing more and more wingnuts on FB using a graphic as their avatar - yellow cross on a black background.
Anyone know the significance? TIA.
94 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:54:57pm |
re: #88 Decatur Deb
Do read the synopsis of the E St. Louis riots. The history is there.
For those who like more detail:
95 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 1:57:08pm |
Brown family attorney says the video is pure character assassination - and MSNBC has it playing on a loop over & over right next to it.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
96 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 1:59:19pm |
re: #86 Rightwingconspirator
Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? ..snip.
Not at all. I was in highschool during the Birmingham riots, the Army during Watts, and college during Kent State.
What this has done is erase a lot of people’s illusion created by thousands of hours of polite Serve n’ Protectors as portrayed on Cops.
97 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:00:38pm |
re: #93 makeitstop
Quick OT question: I’m seeing more and more wingnuts on FB using a graphic as their avatar - yellow cross on a black background.
Anyone know the significance? TIA.
I only know about the Welsh flag of St. David. Do you have an example of the graphic you’re seeing?
98 | makeitstop Aug 15, 2014 2:04:51pm |
re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth
I only know about the Welsh flag of St. David. Do you have an example of the graphic you’re seeing?
I’m asking because the one FB wingnut rocking it is an atheist, but pretty racist.
I was just wondering, since I’ve seen it popping up all over among wingnuts.
(I kinda feel dirty putting that graphic up here. If there’s something really bad associated with it, can I delete it?)
99 | becominginvisible Aug 15, 2014 2:05:03pm |
Ferguson Market has been served a warrant to turn over the hard drive with the surveillance and has complied. Cannot comment further but hope to stay in business. Warrant is from St.Louis County Police.
update: the attorney for the market claims the store didn’t call the police over the alleged theft it was a customer in the store who called.
100 | Dr Lizardo Aug 15, 2014 2:05:28pm |
re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth
I only know about the Welsh flag of St. David. Do you have an example of the graphic you’re seeing?
re: #93 makeitstop
Maybe this has something to do with it.
The Christian Party (UK) has expressed a desire to change the current Flag of Wales to the St. David’s Cross to symbolise the Christian heritage of Wales.
More about the Christian Party (UK) here:
The party claims to use the talents of Christians in different callings to legislate against religious, spiritual, moral and social problems in society.
At the time of the Scottish election in 2007, the Scottish Christian Party produced a manifesto including the following:
a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for murder where there are at least two human witnesses.
legislation to ban abortion.
increased taxation on alcohol and tobacco.
initiatives to bring personal responsibility to bear upon “self-inflicted disease” (such as alcoholism).
zero tolerance on drug possession.
curfews for under-11s, with mandatory intervention of child protection agencies in relation to any child 10 years or younger who is found unaccompanied on the street after 9:00pm.
the reintroduction of the right of teachers to use corporal punishment in extreme circumstances.
greater observance of a weekly day of rest (Sunday).
limits around coastlines to preserve stocks of fish and sand eels.
promotion in schools of chastity before marriage.
re-instatement of Section 2A (also known as Section 28).
the re-introduction of corporate readings from the Bible in all Scottish state schools.
provision of Christian religious education on a mandatory basis, with no obligation to promote other faiths, regardless of the wishes of those being instructed or their parents. There currently exists a level of compulsory Christian observance in most British schools, so these policies are calling for this to be increased.
a science curriculum which should “reflect the evidence of creation/design” in the universe (see Creation-evolution controversy).
public health campaigns to discourage homosexuality alongside excessive drinking and the use of addictive substances, whilst maintaining “God loves and we should love” such individuals.
the restoration of the right for parents to smack their children (as with prayer, this right currently exists and the policy is a call for an increase).
“Mind Pollution Levy” on 18 certificate films, DVDs, CDs, video games and top-shelf magazines.
a re-establishment of the principle of the innocent party in a divorce being acknowledged in any divorce settlement.
discouragement of the practice of addressing women as “Ms.”.
opposition to the practice of altering birth certificates to reflect gender confirmation surgery.
replacing the standard of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ with ‘evidence of two or three reliable witnesses’ in the criminal justice system.
that Mechanical Copyright Protection enjoyed by songwriters should be extended to featured recording artists and record producers.
a minimum royalty percentage (the level of which should be decided through consultation with the music industry) to be paid to featured recording artists and producers on exactly the same basis as is currently paid to songwriters.
increased restrictions on immigration.
101 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:05:46pm |
re: #98 makeitstop
checking now.
In the meantime…here’s nice news:
No' Ne just pitched a complete game 2 hit shutout as Pennsylvania wins 4-0 pic.twitter.com/Zrdy83H1hG
— Algernon Fross (@fxp123) August 15, 2014
102 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 2:07:39pm |
re: #98 makeitstop
From wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org
The Christian Party (UK) has expressed a desire to change the current Flag of Wales to the St. David’s Cross to symbolise the Christian heritage of Wales.
en.wikipedia.org
103 | Shiplord Kirel Aug 15, 2014 2:07:54pm |
Damn, what a find. The “smoking gun” in literal fact. This guy essentially tweeted the same story witness Johnson tells, but did so as it happened.
104 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:08:40pm |
re: #98 makeitstop
I’m asking because the one FB wingnut rocking it is an atheist, but pretty racist.
I was just wondering, since I’ve seen it popping up all over.
(I kinda feel dirty putting that graphic up here. If there’s something really bad associated with it, can I delete it?)
OK, apparently it has something to do with standing against ISIS slaughtering Christians in Iraq.
ETA: foramerica.org and then a link at twitter:
Change your #socmed profile pics to protest ISIS in Iraq! We’re taking a stand against terrorism – are you? RETWEET! pic.twitter.com
105 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 2:09:14pm |
Ferguson PD chief said they released the video because the media asked for it - how could they ask for something they didn't know about?— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
106 | stpaulbear Aug 15, 2014 2:10:46pm |
re: #99 becominginvisible
Ferguson Market has been served a warrant to turn over the hard drive with the surveillance and has complied. Cannot comment further but hope to stay in business. Warrant is from St.Louis County Police.
They need it to get the mini-series up and running.
107 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 2:11:43pm |
re: #105 Charles Johnson
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Depending on the wording of the FOIA requests, it could be explained as ‘related’, ‘pertinent’, or in a timeframe. Of course, it helps that it serves his ends.
109 | b_sharp Aug 15, 2014 2:13:34pm |
So, making this kid out to be a thug does what, make the cop who pulled the trigger less guilty?
Oh, I get it, a black kid is guilty until proven innocent and the cops, who never get anything wrong, have a duty to treat them that way.
110 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 2:14:03pm |
On Fox News, they're attacking Al Sharpton.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
Bob Beckel just accused Al Sharpton of being disappointed there was no violence last night.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
111 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:14:37pm |
re: #110 Charles Johnson
Fox is disappointed there is no violence.
112 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 2:15:08pm |
I’m not Al Sharpton’s biggest fan, but damn.
113 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:15:46pm |
re: #112 Charles Johnson
I’m not Al Sharpton’s biggest fan, but damn.
That shit ain’t gonna stir itself.
114 | makeitstop Aug 15, 2014 2:15:49pm |
re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth
OK, apparently it has something to do with standing against ISIS slaughtering Christians in Iraq.
ETA: foramerica.org and then a link at twitter:
Okay, thanks.
115 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 2:15:53pm |
I am white, but as mentioned, I grew up and have lived in mixed neighborhoods. I have always been suspect of police. Too many instances with friends and others of cops doing really dumb stuff.
Also, the Sheriff in our county was found criminal by a federal and state investigation, thrown out of office with several deputies for fraud, destroying/planting evidence, records manipulation, etc. THey almost got them for a muder/cover-up but didn’t have enough to make that stick.
The whole department was labeled as corrupt. That was back in the mid-70s. They had another run in back in the late 90s. So, where I grew up no one did or does trust the sheriff. And, I’ve known some police. They were all far from heroes.™
116 | TedStriker Aug 15, 2014 2:16:49pm |
re: #109 b_sharp
So, making this kid out to be a thug does what, make the cop who pulled the trigger less guilty?
Oh, I get it, a black kid is guilty until proven innocent and the cops, who never get anything wrong, have a duty to treat them that way.
In the RWNJ Bizarro Universe, yes.
117 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:17:32pm |
— Bipartisan Report (@Bipartisanism) August 15, 2014
118 | Lidane Aug 15, 2014 2:18:45pm |
re: #86 Rightwingconspirator
Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street?
No. The local sheriff in the town I grew up in ended up in Club Fed for bribery, corruption, and racketeering, among other things. I’ve been on both sides of the Texas-Mexico border. I know first hand that cops can be corrupt, or on the take, or otherwise out for their own gain instead of upholding the law.
I see a cop, even here in Austin, and I just nod and say hello and keep going on my way. You never know if they’re going to be one of the good ones or if they’re just looking for an excuse to fuck shit up. Best not to find out.
119 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 2:21:09pm |
Lately I’ve been lightly obsessed (as opposed to slightly obsessed) with Italian twist music from the early sixties and thought this lp cover might elicit a much needed chuckle.
120 | Schadenboner Aug 15, 2014 2:21:12pm |
re: #35 Danny
I may be misremembering but in an earlier press conference I think Jackson said the Sig carried by Wilson had 11 rounds; 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber.
What kind of idiot walks around with one in the spout?
121 | whitebeach Aug 15, 2014 2:22:07pm |
re: #98 makeitstop
Haven’t seen it before. A quick Google image search comes up with a couple of identicals, the Saint Michael Society, which is apparently a heavily Marian group involved in promoting Catholicism into the public arena, and the Christian Defence League of Holland, which appears to be an extreme right-wing outfit with a severe hatred of Muslims. Then, too, one of the first “similar” images that shows is actually a cross burning by night, KKK style.
122 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:22:07pm |
COW!!!
An old woman who fled the warzone with her cow, sits on a bench in Amiens, France, March 28, 1918 pic.twitter.com/FIVqkCdo8N
— History In Pictures (@HistoryInPics) August 15, 2014
123 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:22:50pm |
re: #120 Schadenboner
What kind of idiot walks around with one in the spout?
An idiot looking for trouble.
124 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 2:23:00pm |
re: #119 De Kolta Chair
Lately I’ve been lightly obsessed with Italian twist music from the early sixties and thought this lp cover might elicit a much needed chuckle.
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Pop art!
Ahh…to have been a graphic artist in those days. Just think how far the art of the vinyl album cover went from 1960 to 1970.
125 | Kragar Aug 15, 2014 2:23:54pm |
Greatest headline of all time. RT @JoeMOwens: RT @emilymphocyte: i've waited my entire life to read this: pic.twitter.com/Hc9xG6Vr5T— Andrew Shaffer (@andrewtshaffer) August 15, 2014
126 | Dr Lizardo Aug 15, 2014 2:24:54pm |
127 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:24:57pm |
128 | EPR-radar Aug 15, 2014 2:25:18pm |
re: #86 Rightwingconspirator
Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? I am. I realized this story has gotten to me some. When I was young and sometimes speeding or had some marijuana on me or a friend in my car I was a little afraid. Then in my middle age I found myself having fun competing with cops at shooting events. So me reaction was positive on first sight of a uniform.
Honestly, today when I saw a bigger than usual squad of sheriffs checking everyone going into the Red Line subway I felt a little inner flinch, an instinctive fraction of a second of concern.
Silly of me really. I’m a white guy and have nothing illegal on my person. Just another bland commuter.
Maybe I should poll this.
No real change for me in relation to a cop on the street. I’m a white man with no distressing (to authorities) habits like protesting etc., so that doesn’t really mean very much.
What has surprised me in this is that the Ferguson PD and St. Louis county PD are so lost in their own ideology that they think a massive paramilitary response to peaceful protests is a viable option. That troubles me, because it seems to suggest that RWNJ idiocy about the coming race wars is systematically infecting some police departments.
129 | b.d. Aug 15, 2014 2:26:03pm |
re: #125 Kragar
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That better be a Made in America glass dildo or I’ll be losing all respect for him.
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130 | SteveMcGazi Aug 15, 2014 2:26:31pm |
I don’t think any differently about having a police car behind me, I’m white.
131 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 2:28:26pm |
Jim Hoft is at it again, this time with help from Dana Loesch.
132 | b_sharp Aug 15, 2014 2:30:05pm |
re: #131 Charles Johnson
Jim Hoft is at it again, this time with help from Dana Loesch.
Birds of a feather.
133 | EPR-radar Aug 15, 2014 2:30:47pm |
135 | FemNaziBitch Aug 15, 2014 2:32:33pm |
Humans are so disappointing.
Is it still a crime to breathe while black?
136 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 2:32:44pm |
re: #132 b_sharp
Birds of a feather.
Somehow that makes birds a dirty word. And birds are pretty cool. I know what you mean, but dang, what did the birds do???
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137 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 2:32:48pm |
re: #135 FemNaziBitch
Humans are so disappointing.
Is it still a crime to breathe while black?
Apparently.
138 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 2:33:01pm |
.@gatewaypundit Just wondering if you'd care to comment on your use of a white supremacist group as a source for your blog?— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
139 | OhNoZombies! Aug 15, 2014 2:33:37pm |
re: #135 FemNaziBitch
Humans are so disappointing.
Is it still a crime to breathe while black?
Depends on what side of town your on.
140 | FemNaziBitch Aug 15, 2014 2:34:08pm |
appealing to voters or corporations?
Tax dodger billionaire @BruceRauner funds extreme groups opposing > #minimumwage. He also said he'd like to LOWER it http://t.co/gKyi7DvYml— IllinoisFreedomPAC (@ILFreedomPAC) August 13, 2014
141 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 2:34:43pm |
re: #120 Schadenboner
What kind of idiot walks around with one in the spout?
The kind of idiot who shoots a black kid in the back just for existing.
142 | FemNaziBitch Aug 15, 2014 2:34:51pm |
Republicans finally admit economy is improving; say racism is to blame http://t.co/qtMDdchMfs #graphs pic.twitter.com/vZqyr4xzIF
143 | urbanmeemaw Aug 15, 2014 2:35:02pm |
re: #140 FemNaziBitch
Well, since corporations are people they are also voters, too, my friend.
144 | FemNaziBitch Aug 15, 2014 2:35:37pm |
re: #141 thedopefishlives
The kind of idiot who shoots a
black kidperson in the backjust for existing.
Edited just a bit :0
145 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 2:36:00pm |
re: #86 Rightwingconspirator
Big question for all of you-Do you think differently today than you did before this incident when you see a police car behind you or a cop on the street? I am. I realized this story has gotten to me some. When I was young and sometimes speeding or had some marijuana on me or a friend in my car I was a little afraid. Then in my middle age I found myself having fun competing with cops at shooting events. So me reaction was positive on first sight of a uniform.
Honestly, today when I saw a bigger than usual squad of sheriffs checking everyone going into the Red Line subway I felt a little inner flinch, an instinctive fraction of a second of concern.
Silly of me really. I’m a white guy and have nothing illegal on my person. Just another bland commuter.
Maybe I should poll this.
This is the incident which most recently ramped up my, um, concerns on the subject.
146 | FemNaziBitch Aug 15, 2014 2:36:43pm |
Ferguson Police Chief Turns To Hannity To Handle His PR http://t.co/VkLxOsciSZ #ferguson— the philandering jew (@phlipdelphia) August 15, 2014
147 | stpaulbear Aug 15, 2014 2:36:48pm |
re: #86 Rightwingconspirator
In my musician days (the mid 70’s), my band would drive back and forth from week-long gigs if we were within 90 miles of home (St. Paul, MN). It would be a regular occurence to get pulled over in one of the towns coming home no matter how hard I tried to get down under 30mph. I’m sure they pulled us over because there were four of us in our 20’s in a car at 2:00am. I never got a ticket; they’d just check us out, realize we weren’t drunk, and let us go (always with the line “I see you don’t have any tickets on your record, so…”). I doubt that it would have gone smoothly if we weren’t all white.
This town was in the area that Michele Bachmann eventually represented.
After I came out, I’d get hassled in this area for having a rainbow flag on my car, but the hassle always came from, ironically, cars full of boys in their twenties.
148 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 2:36:49pm |
Friend who was w/ Brown confirms it was them on the tape. @the_alchemist83— Goldie Taylor (@goldietaylor) August 15, 2014
149 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 2:37:19pm |
re: #146 FemNaziBitch
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That’s not going to come back to bite him in the ass, no way.
150 | FemNaziBitch Aug 15, 2014 2:37:58pm |
re: #145 wrenchwench
This is the incident which most recently ramped up my, um, concerns on the subject.
I grew-up RC, I have a conditioned fear of all authority figures.
Now that I am *ahem* older, it’s easier, but I find myself holding my breath still …
151 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 2:38:00pm |
re: #146 FemNaziBitch
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well, that certainly explains the (non)effectiveness of Chief Jackson’s two pressers today.
152 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 2:41:45pm |
re: #150 FemNaziBitch
I grew-up RC, I have a conditioned fear of all authority figures.
Now that I am *ahem* older, it’s easier, but I find myself holding my breathe still …
I grew up RC too, but the whole family left the church when my parents divorced, so I lost the fear or respect or whatever power it may have held over me. Which led to having no respect for authority, pretty much.
153 | FemNaziBitch Aug 15, 2014 2:43:32pm |
Once again, humans couldn’t be any worse:
Robin Williams Probably Consorted With Demons, Says WND In Touching Memorial Ad http://t.co/yl9SVHutub— Wonkette (@Wonkette) August 15, 2014
155 | Dr Lizardo Aug 15, 2014 2:46:53pm |
re: #153 FemNaziBitch
Once again, humans couldn’t be any worse:
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What else would one expect from WND? They’re insane.
156 | Lidane Aug 15, 2014 2:49:53pm |
“I’ve said from day one that Michael Brown is a thug,” Peterson declared, using as evidence “the fact that he was running from the cops, period, because good folks do not run from police officers, they follow their instructions.”
“I just think that it’s a shame,” he continued, “that in America today, that criminals are given the benefit of the doubt - especially black criminals because white criminals are not - but black criminals are given the benefit of the doubt and the police officers are the suspects. I don’t know what has happened to my country.”
When Malzberg sought to clarify that Peterson had, in fact, called Brown a “thug,” Peterson asserted that he had, saying that Trayvon Martin was also thug.
“Why we are protecting thugs?”
157 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 2:50:09pm |
re: #150 FemNaziBitch
I grew-up RC, I have a conditioned fear of all authority figures.
Now that I am *ahem* older, it’s easier, but I find myself holding my breath still …
Yeah…as I’ve said…12 years of Catholic school. The nuns of the 60s were still pretty good at policing and many times left everyone that went through the machine paranoid for life!
158 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 2:50:20pm |
Just overheard on Al Jazeera TV: “Coming up next, has America lost moral authority…”
Oh, if I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard that during my lifetime I could buy Al Jazeera twice over.
159 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 2:51:44pm |
re: #153 FemNaziBitch
Once again, humans couldn’t be any worse:
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As Robin Williams used to say, “Joke ‘em if they can’t take a fuck.”
160 | Kragar Aug 15, 2014 2:52:17pm |
Seriously, the #Ferguson PD cannot be considered a reliable source of information OF ANY SORT. Wait on the #DOJ and real investigators— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) August 15, 2014
161 | Jenner7 Aug 15, 2014 2:54:28pm |
re: #160 Kragar
Ferguson PD is the Fox News of police departments…
162 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 2:55:23pm |
White cops killed black people twice a week over 7 years, @USATODAY report shows: http://t.co/QJufM9Per0 (@AJC/AP) pic.twitter.com/ABUl8rjmK2
— USA TODAY (@USATODAY) August 15, 2014
164 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 2:56:14pm |
“The killings are self-reported by law enforcement and not all police departments participate so the database undercounts the actual number of deaths. Plus, the numbers are not audited after they are submitted to the FBI and the statistics on “justifiable” homicides have conflicted with independent measures of fatalities at the hands of police.”
165 | A Mom Anon Aug 15, 2014 2:58:52pm |
OK, I’ve missed a bunch today because of hospital related things and home chores I’m catching up on, so excuse me if this has been covered already…
From the bit of catching up I’ve been able to do today there seems to be (in some places at least) a discrepancy between the clothing Mike Brown was wearing in the tape from the convenience store and the clothing he was wearing when he was murdered (yes I said murdered, prove otherwise and I’ll gladly correct it). Is this true?
166 | allegro Aug 15, 2014 2:59:06pm |
167 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 3:00:21pm |
168 | GeneJockey Aug 15, 2014 3:00:21pm |
re: #120 Schadenboner
What kind of idiot walks around with one in the spout?
Cocked and locked is pretty standard. Modern semiautomatics are generaly carried that way. It’s not one of the old SA Revolvers where you had to leave an empty chamber.
169 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Aug 15, 2014 3:01:18pm |
All that has been established is that the police had a reason to detain and question Brown. They need to establish a reason for shooting him repeatedly or face the consequences.
But that is not about to surface in the media frenzy.
170 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 3:01:33pm |
Amazing new image of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko captured by Rosetta: http://t.co/6HArx6E4nK pic.twitter.com/YDcWnvVLv7
— The SETI Institute (@SETIInstitute) August 15, 2014
171 | blueraven Aug 15, 2014 3:01:35pm |
re: #165 A Mom Anon
OK, I’ve missed a bunch today because of hospital related things and home chores I’m catching up on, so excuse me if this has been covered already…
From the bit of catching up I’ve been able to do today there seems to be (in some places at least) a discrepancy between the clothing Mike Brown was wearing in the tape from the convenience store and the clothing he was wearing when he was murdered (yes I said murdered, prove otherwise and I’ll gladly correct it). Is this true?
I don’t think there is any discrepancy. Although I am sure it has been said.
172 | Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 15, 2014 3:02:01pm |
re: #165 A Mom Anon
OK, I’ve missed a bunch today because of hospital related things and home chores I’m catching up on, so excuse me if this has been covered already…
From the bit of catching up I’ve been able to do today there seems to be (in some places at least) a discrepancy between the clothing Mike Brown was wearing in the tape from the convenience store and the clothing he was wearing when he was murdered (yes I said murdered, prove otherwise and I’ll gladly correct it). Is this true?
Nope.
173 | OhNoZombies! Aug 15, 2014 3:02:35pm |
174 | jaunte Aug 15, 2014 3:04:17pm |
Discovered in 1969, Comet 67P (Churyumov-Gerasimenko) is a Jupiter family comet measuring 4.5km across. It has an orbital period of 6.5 years and its closest point to the Sun at perihelion is 1.2458 AU (186m kilometres). Although Comet 67P won’t be visible with the naked eye from Earth, the Rosetta Spacecraft will make sure it is seen around the world in unprecedented detail.
livecometdata.com
175 | Mattand Aug 15, 2014 3:04:42pm |
re: #165 A Mom Anon
OK, I’ve missed a bunch today because of hospital related things and home chores I’m catching up on, so excuse me if this has been covered already…
From the bit of catching up I’ve been able to do today there seems to be (in some places at least) a discrepancy between the clothing Mike Brown was wearing in the tape from the convenience store and the clothing he was wearing when he was murdered (yes I said murdered, prove otherwise and I’ll gladly correct it). Is this true?
I’ve caught some shit for saying the bolded. I’m pretty much of the same mindset.
176 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:06:09pm |
wait just a freakin minute
Ferguson police chief tells SLPD officer saw cigars in Brown's hands and then connected to robbery http://t.co/BEnSgcqEBt
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) August 15, 2014
Darren Wilson is now a SLPD officer????
Tapper needs to STFU.
177 | GeneJockey Aug 15, 2014 3:06:26pm |
Well, now the RW con go full speed ahead with the N*****ization of Micheal Brown, just like Trayvon Martin, even though the Chief of Police specifically said the cop didn’t stop him because of the 8-minutes-prior shoplifting.
178 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 3:06:38pm |
re: #157 ObserverArt
Yeah…as I’ve said…12 years of Catholic school. The nuns of the 60s were still pretty good at policing and many times left everyone that went through the machine paranoid for life!
‘Cause they knew what was in your dirty little mind…
179 | blueraven Aug 15, 2014 3:08:36pm |
re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth
wait just a freakin minute
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Darren Wilson is now a SLPD officer????
Tapper needs to STFU.
I *think* SLPD is ST Louis Post Dispatch (news)
180 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:10:56pm |
re: #179 blueraven
I *think* SLPD is ST Louis Post Dispatch (news)
Punctuation alert, Tapper! Punctuation!!!
181 | urbanmeemaw Aug 15, 2014 3:11:03pm |
re: #157 ObserverArt
I was raised Irish Catholic female in the 50’s and 60’s so I grew up fearing everything. Catholic education kindergarten through college. I really don’t regret it, though. On balance, I received an excellent education (especially my high school in St. Paul, MN) and only had 2-3 nuns who were really wacko.
I have searing memories of watching television footage of the civil rights marches and the dogs and hoses and the outrage I felt then has not abated at all in the ensuing years. When the fire bomb in a Birmingham church killed those 4 little girls my mom told my dad not to get her a Christmas present but to instead donate the money to the rebuilding of the church.
My biggest concern now is how the mainstream media act as echo chamber for the racists by repeating their lies. While the broadcast media were never perfect, at least back in the early 60’s they did not lend any credence to the both sides blather of today regarding the civil rights movement. It was very what was happening, why it was happening, and who was to blame. Of course that changed in the mid to late 60’s with the rise of Black Panthers and other “militant” groups and some African American activists becoming involved in anti Vietnam protests and linking racism and poverty to American policy at home and overseas. That and the election of Richard Nixon and the Southern Strategy combined with the riots caused broadcast media to become more biased against African Americans. These are just my memories and impressions and may not be borne out by actual historical research.
Good grief. I did not intend to launch into a walk down Geezer Lane. Apologies.
182 | Shazam Aug 15, 2014 3:11:11pm |
Wilson is apparently Robocop:
*Target confirmed as black.*
*Scanning for recent crimes. Theft of cigarettes reported.*
*Target confirmed holding cigarettes. Target confirmed for shooting.*
183 | klys Aug 15, 2014 3:11:33pm |
re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth
Punctuation alert, Tapper! Punctuation!!!
One little colon could make all the difference.
184 | Varek Raith Aug 15, 2014 3:11:41pm |
185 | allegro Aug 15, 2014 3:12:16pm |
If the Ferguson police department gets this excited over a cigarello theft, imagine if someone stole a tricycle! Barney Fife, where are you?
Jeezus wept. We’re fucking doomed.
186 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 3:14:19pm |
So Ferguson PD chief _suddenly remembers_ that the officer saw cigarillos in Michael Brown's hand? But never mentioned it before?— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
187 | Romantic Heretic Aug 15, 2014 3:14:57pm |
re: #58 BeachDem
Chief Jackson, Prosecutor McCollough, Chief Belmar, and, of course, the ever-effervescent Jim Hoft and Dana Loesch .
I’d use ‘ever-putrescent’ for Hoft and Loesch. But that’s just me.
188 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 3:15:38pm |
re: #186 Charles Johnson
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I know this is going to shock some people, but I trust the Ferguson PD (and its chief) even less than I trust CNN. They’re almost down to FOX News territory, and descending rapidly.
189 | klys Aug 15, 2014 3:16:12pm |
re: #186 Charles Johnson
Man, so much of this would be clearer if they’d had the officer fill out a report of some kind right afterwards. And the chief, you know, actually read it.
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I get that investigations are tricky things, but for fuck’s sake, this seems really basic.
190 | allegro Aug 15, 2014 3:16:33pm |
re: #186 Charles Johnson
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He does appear to have achieved a startling clarity of memory after having almost a week to think about it.
191 | Frenchy Aug 15, 2014 3:16:46pm |
re: #186 Charles Johnson
They’re flat out making this shit up as we go along.
192 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:16:52pm |
Gonna need more flaming desks…
Meanwhile, on Earth-2… (h/t @alexheuer) pic.twitter.com/TVMsTbbLD8
— Matt Ford (@fordm) August 15, 2014
193 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 3:18:35pm |
re: #191 Frenchy
They’re flat out making this shit up as we go along.
Chief is dating Morgan Fairchild.
194 | TedStriker Aug 15, 2014 3:18:37pm |
re: #182 Shazam
Wilson is apparently
RobocopED-209:*Target confirmed as black.*
*Scanning for recent crimes. Theft of cigarettes reported.*
*Target confirmed holding cigarettes. Target confirmed for shooting.*
FTFY…
195 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:19:00pm |
196 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 3:19:06pm |
re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth
The SLCPA fully supports Chief of Police Jon Belmar, as well as the men and women of our department, in the decisions made to control the unlawful and often chaotic moments of the previous days.
Tell me, douchecanoe, what the HELL was “unlawful” about any of the protesting? I DARE YOU. Prove it, and I won’t flip this desk into your face and light it on fire.
197 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:19:49pm |
re: #196 thedopefishlives
Tell me, douchecanoe, what the HELL was “unlawful” about any of the protesting? I DARE YOU. Prove it, and I won’t flip this desk into your face and light it on fire.
yep, and we saw just how outraged the citizens of Ferguson were last night…
198 | Jenner7 Aug 15, 2014 3:20:18pm |
Wait, so did Wilson see the cigarillos and connect to robbery? Didn’t they say Wilson wasn’t aware of robbery at the time he stopped Brown???
Anyone else confused? It’s any wonder when they say two different things.
199 | Frenchy Aug 15, 2014 3:20:36pm |
re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth
Translation: We’re pissed off that we’re not getting to play army anymore.
200 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 3:21:00pm |
re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth
I would love to see evidence of ANY of the accusations about what occurred after the turnover to the MSHP. The “near burglary” of the McDonald’s cracked me up.
201 | gwangung Aug 15, 2014 3:21:06pm |
re: #198 Jenner7
Wait, so did Wilson see the cigarillos and connect to robbery? Didn’t they say Wilson wasn’t aware of robbery at the time he stopped Brown???
Anyone else confused? It’s any wonder when they say two different things.
Jesus, how stupid do they think we are? (I mean, they know not all of us watch FOX News….)
202 | Dr Lizardo Aug 15, 2014 3:21:15pm |
re: #198 Jenner7
Wait, so did Wilson see the cigarillos and connect to robbery? Didn’t they say Wilson wasn’t aware of robbery at the time he stopped Brown???
Anyone else confused? It’s any wonder when they say two different things.
Sounds like they’re pretty just making up things as they go along.
Or, if you prefer, talking out of their ass.
203 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:22:04pm |
re: #199 Frenchy
Translation: We’re pissed off that we’re not getting to play army anymore.
Taking our military toys and going home in a snit and don’t you DARE call for help ever again. EVER.
…stamps boots in hissy fit…
204 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 3:22:31pm |
re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth
yep, and we saw just how outraged the citizens of Ferguson were last night…
Yeah but, black people are scary and the big bad ebil MSHP chief made us go out there without our toys.
205 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 3:22:39pm |
re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth
Gonna need more flaming desks…
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Public Employee Union thugs say what…?
206 | OhNoZombies! Aug 15, 2014 3:23:18pm |
re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth
Gonna need more flaming desks…
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In other words, that black guy shouldn’t have stood in front of the camera while holding a pic of the kid we shot. Therefore he is an enemy.
(Couldn’t stay away, heh.)
207 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:23:22pm |
re: #204 thedopefishlives
Yeah but, black people are scary and the big bad ebil MSHP chief made us go out there without our toys.
and, and…the people smiled at us! and HUGGED us!!!11!!!
208 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 3:23:47pm |
re: #200 thedopefishlives
I would love to see evidence of ANY of the accusations about what occurred after the turnover to the MSHP. The “near burglary” of the McDonald’s cracked me up.
Four year old demanded two Batman figurines in his happy meal.
209 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 3:23:53pm |
re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth
and, and…the people smiled at us! and HUGGED us!!!11!!!
OH GOD BLACK PEOPLE COOTIES!!!
210 | makeitstop Aug 15, 2014 3:26:05pm |
re: #201 gwangung
Jesus, how stupid do they think we are? (I mean, they know not all of us watch FOX News….)
I think that’s who they’re talking to here.
211 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:28:13pm |
more on Mo’Ne:
Mo'ne Davis becomes first girl to throw LLWS shutout. @Lahlahlindsey: Cool under pressure! http://t.co/s7EgO6Hilp pic.twitter.com/HzenhK7jdS
— ProgressivePhD (@CallOut4) August 15, 2014
212 | Jolo5309 Aug 15, 2014 3:28:38pm |
re: #193 Decatur Deb
Chief is dating Morgan Fairchild.
Don’t tell her that, she has been pretty critical of the police in Ferguson
213 | lawhawk Aug 15, 2014 3:30:49pm |
re: #105 Charles Johnson
The FOIA requests were for records relating to the Brown shooting. FPD associated the earlier incident with the Brown shooting and gave it to the press as part of the FOIA document dump.
The appear to have had no problem with dumping the petit larceny/shoplifting video and the incident report from that, but held back the actual report on the shooting. They’re going to treat the report on his death as a closed report under MO Rev. Stat 610:100, which limits its production.
214 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 3:30:51pm |
re: #183 klys
One little colon could make all the difference.
Speaking of colons, my urologist’s office is on the Louis Armstrong Floor of Beth Israel Hospital here in Manhattan. Being that I firmly believe that Pops was the be-all and end-all of human evolution, and that he was quite fond of a laxative called Swiss Kriss , and that the floor is named for him because his urologist practiced at Beth Israel and that his will bequeathed them with a nice bequeathal, it all comes out harmoniously in the end.
215 | gwangung Aug 15, 2014 3:32:04pm |
re: #213 lawhawk
The FOIA requests were for records relating to the Brown shooting. FPD associated the earlier incident with the Brown shooting and gave it to the press as part of the FOIA document dump.
The appear to have had no problem with dumping the petit larceny/shoplifting video and the incident report from that, but held back the actual report on the shooting. They’re going to treat the report on his death as a closed report under MO Rev. Stat 610:100, which limits its production.
Which is total bullshit. But we all knew that….
216 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:32:35pm |
Impressive interactive by @nytimes showing…military equipment to local police in US http://t.co/NfYvBVy8QL pic.twitter.com/O0dSZV34Ht @nycjim
— Kathryn Brusco (@KathrynBruscoBk) August 15, 2014
My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.
217 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 3:32:44pm |
re: #212 Jolo5309
Don’t tell her that, she has been pretty critical of the police in Ferguson
Jeez, you’re right. And she reposted this:
218 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 3:33:18pm |
re: #214 De Kolta Chair
… it all comes out harmoniously in the end
Which was the goal of both Armstrong and his urologist.
219 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 3:34:18pm |
re: #214 De Kolta Chair
…snip it all comes out harmoniously in the end.
Well that’s the goal, isn’t it?
220 | lawhawk Aug 15, 2014 3:36:21pm |
re: #186 Charles Johnson
Well, that could possibly explain why Wilson went and grabbed Brown through the car window, initiating the event.
Of course, all of this would be addressed in a full disclosure of the police reports.
221 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 3:38:09pm |
re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth
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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.
That gray corner in the far southwest of New Mexico? That’s where this took place, and the incident like it a few months earlier. I guess if you miss out on the big equipment, you console yourself with an uncertified drug-sniffing dog.
222 | Kragar Aug 15, 2014 3:38:32pm |
“While in my vehicle, I observed the suspect jaywalking with cigars in his hand, which I quickly deduced meant he was a suspect in the robbery I had heard about mere seconds ago,”
Look out Ferguson, you got Sherlock Holmes patrolling your streets
223 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 3:38:35pm |
re: #201 gwangung
Jesus, how stupid do they think we are? (I mean, they know not all of us watch FOX News….)
Everyone watches FOX News!!!!!!
The Republican party seems to think the same way.
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224 | TedStriker Aug 15, 2014 3:39:01pm |
re: #214 De Kolta Chair
Speaking of colons, my urologist’s office is on the Louis Armstrong Floor of Beth Israel Hospital here in Manhattan. Being that I firmly believe that Pops was the be-all and end-all of human evolution, and that he was quite fond of a laxative called Swiss Kriss , and that the floor is named for him because his urologist practiced at Beth Israel and that his will bequeathed them with a nice bequeathal, it all comes out harmoniously in the end.
Which is still around:
walgreens.com
225 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 3:39:39pm |
re: #220 lawhawk
Well, that could possibly explain why Wilson went and grabbed Brown through the car window, initiating the event.
Of course, all of this would be addressed in a full disclosure of the police reports.
This sounds extremely fishy, since Jackson actually put out the story about the struggle inside the car almost immediately, but only now is he mentioning that Wilson saw the cigarillos and connected it to the robbery.
This stinks. The more he talks the more he sounds like he’s making it up as he goes along.
226 | Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 15, 2014 3:41:05pm |
re: #225 Charles Johnson
This sounds extremely fishy, since Jackson actually put out the story about the struggle inside the car almost immediately, but only now is he mentioning that Wilson saw the cigarillos and connected it to the robbery.
This stinks. The more he talks the more he sounds like he’s making it up as he goes along.
Has the police officer even been deposed and given testimony? Because if not, then the whole “We’re not releasing details so as not to tip hands to witnesses” thing just went out the window.
227 | sagehen Aug 15, 2014 3:41:22pm |
re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth
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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.
My county (Manhattan) got 4 armored vehicles… which they might actually have legitimate use for. We are Manhattan, after all, there’s always the chance major terrorists will be tried in our local courthouse.
San Bernardino County (CA), where I used to live… got 4 helicopters, a plane, a mine-resistant vehicle, 114 assault rifles and 208 night vision pieces. I’m going to give them the benefit of doubt, that maybe the aircraft got turned over to the Fire Department, that the night vision pieces are for S&R in the copious wilderness, and the assault rifles are just less expensive than buying whatever other kinds of rifles they’d have gotten from not-from-the-Pentagon.
228 | Shazam Aug 15, 2014 3:41:38pm |
re: #222 Kragar
“While in my vehicle, I observed the suspect jaywalking with cigars in his hand, which I quickly deduced meant he was a suspect in the robbery I had heard about mere seconds ago,”
Look out Ferguson, you got Sherlock Holmes patrolling your streets
Sherlock Holmes: “I don’t guess.”
Holmesian “Deduction” = abduction = guessing.
229 | teleskiguy Aug 15, 2014 3:42:05pm |
re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth
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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.
My county, Eagle County, CO? 31 assault rifles, 10 handguns and a pair of night vision goggles. We could have used a helicopter for search and rescue in remote wilderness.
230 | thedopefishlives Aug 15, 2014 3:42:15pm |
re: #227 sagehen
My county (Manhattan) got 4 armored vehicles… which they might actually have legitimate use for. We are Manhattan, after all, there’s always the chance major terrorists will be tried in our local courthouse.
San Bernardino County (CA), where I used to live… got 4 helicopters, a plane, a mine-resistant vehicle, 114 assault rifles and 208 night vision pieces. I’m going to give them the benefit of doubt, that maybe the aircraft got turned over to the Fire Department, that the night vision pieces are for S&R in the copious wilderness, and the assault rifles are just less expensive than buying whatever other kinds of rifles they’d have gotten from not-from-the-Pentagon.
My own county - Hennepin, MN - has a couple of armored vehicles (understandable, considering it contains Minneapolis) and … grenade launchers? Dafuq?
231 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 3:42:31pm |
re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth
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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.
Considering that the entire Texas-Mexico border (with the exception of El Paso County) got nuthin’ according to the map. I think it is not the whole story either. Where there’s Border Patrol, they’re always showing up as backup, as they did in this case.
Border Patrol agents were also at the fire station, but an agency spokesman said the agents were there in a show of support and the Border Patrol was not involved in the case.
It is not uncommon for Border Patrol agents to show up to assist local law enforcement, if needed, in small towns outside El Paso.
232 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 3:42:57pm |
re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth
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My county got an assault rifle.
We really could have used a Humvee instead to get around way off the backroads for search and rescue.
I was looking at that graphic at the Times earlier today and couldn’t help but wonder why body armor was so low on the list. Seems a helluva lot more important than another fancy-schmancy weapon.
233 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 3:43:32pm |
@kisbell I think you might have missed some big changes at LGF, years ago.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2014
234 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 3:44:01pm |
re: #227 sagehen
My county (Manhattan) got 4 armored vehicles… which they might actually have legitimate use for. We are Manhattan, after all, there’s always the chance major terrorists will be tried in our local courthouse.
San Bernardino County (CA), where I used to live… got 4 helicopters, a plane, a mine-resistant vehicle, 114 assault rifles and 208 night vision pieces. I’m going to give them the benefit of doubt, that maybe the aircraft got turned over to the Fire Department, that the night vision pieces are for S&R in the copious wilderness, and the assault rifles are just less expensive than buying whatever other kinds of rifles they’d have gotten from not-from-the-Pentagon.
Heh.
An Alabama Police Department Has No Idea Why It Owns Two Drones
235 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 3:44:19pm |
The police chief comes off like John Lovitz’s pathological liar SNL character and when he says something new and revealing he is also saying “Yeah, that’s the ticket.”
Winging it!
236 | Charles Johnson Aug 15, 2014 3:45:16pm |
Whoa. The GOP’s rising star just got indicted.
BREAKING: Gov. Perry indicted by grand jury in case related to a budget veto involving funding for the Travis Co. DA's office last year.— KVUE News (@KVUE) August 15, 2014
237 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:46:35pm |
re: #225 Charles Johnson
This sounds extremely fishy, since Jackson actually put out the story about the struggle inside the car almost immediately, but only now is he mentioning that Wilson saw the cigarillos and connected it to the robbery.
This stinks. The more he talks the more he sounds like he’s making it up as he goes along.
and in the second presser, Jackson said the stop had NOTHING to do with the robbery.
238 | b.d. Aug 15, 2014 3:46:39pm |
239 | klys Aug 15, 2014 3:47:02pm |
re: #226 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
Has the police officer even been deposed and given testimony? Because if not, then the whole “We’re not releasing details so as not to tip hands to witnesses” thing just went out the window.
I’m sure he found some time to do it somewhere before he left town with his family a few days ago.
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240 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:47:54pm |
re: #227 sagehen
yeah, my county could use a helicopter, but then the sheriff would have to have a pilot and they won’t work for ~$13/hour like a regular deputy.
241 | TedStriker Aug 15, 2014 3:48:00pm |
re: #236 Charles Johnson
Whoa. The GOP’s rising star just got indicted.
I know a grand jury indictment isn’t a trial conviction by any stretch of the imagination, but, right now, I’ve come down with a raging case of schadenfreude.
242 | teleskiguy Aug 15, 2014 3:48:01pm |
re: #236 Charles Johnson
Whoa. The GOP’s rising star just got indicted.
ITZ A DEMONCRAT POLITICUL WICH HUNT!!!
243 | Kragar Aug 15, 2014 3:48:19pm |
IGNORE THIS MAN! #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/8U6wERHGf9— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) August 15, 2014
244 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 3:50:09pm |
re: #234 Decatur Deb
Heh.
An Alabama Police Department Has No Idea Why It Owns Two Drones
I have a feeling that in ten years a lot of that stuff is going to show up all unused, dusty and rusty on American Pickers, and most of it won’t be worth more than scrap.
245 | GeneJockey Aug 15, 2014 3:51:48pm |
re: #234 Decatur Deb
Heh.
An Alabama Police Department Has No Idea Why It Owns Two Drones
They’re supposed to fight each other. What could be more obvious?
246 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 3:52:05pm |
I’m reading John Grisham’s The Innocent Man right now and, while it doesn’t have the same precipitating incident, it does have police, prosecutors and lawyers that are scarily similar to what we’re seeing right now in what’s considered “adequate” investigation and prosecution in St. Louis County.
247 | GeneJockey Aug 15, 2014 3:52:16pm |
re: #244 De Kolta Chair
I have a feeling that in ten years a lot of that stuff is going to show up all unused, dusty and rusty on American Pickers. And it’s not going to be worth a dime.
Somebody will buy the guns.
248 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 3:53:41pm |
249 | blueraven Aug 15, 2014 3:53:55pm |
Perry vetoed state funds for the office after District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg refused to resign following a DWI conviction.
After the veto, Perry said he could not give money to Lehmberg’s office because she had lost the public’s confidence after her arrest in April 2013. Lehmberg pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 45 days in jail. She served 21 days.
250 | Cheechako Aug 15, 2014 3:54:23pm |
The way the FPD Chief and STL County Attorney are handling the situation in Ferguson is going to force the DOJ/FBI into a much larger investigation than was originally planned. These clowns are going to find themselves sitting in front of a Federal Grand Jury before this is all over.
251 | darthstar Aug 15, 2014 3:54:38pm |
I’m guessing the ‘care’ in Obamacare is supposed to be silent in Ms. Ernst’s ad.
Meanwhile in #Iowa: #TeaParty candidate Joni Ernst is so far to the right it's scary http://t.co/mLstNanc8R pic.twitter.com/bAmxlqT69i— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) August 15, 2014
252 | Dave In Austin Aug 15, 2014 3:57:29pm |
In other news….
Texas Governor Rick Perry indicted by grand jury
By my recollection, the investigation was conducted buy a Republican DA from Williamson County, TX
At the center of the issue is a complaint about intimidation stemming from Perry’s threat to veto of $3.7 million in state funding to the Public Integrity Unit run by Lehmberg’s office. The threat came after she pleaded guilty to drunk driving and served a 45-day sentence; Perry called on her to step down but she refused to resign her position. Perry then vetoed the funding for the PIU.
Whoops……
253 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 3:58:21pm |
re: #224 TedStriker
Which is still around:
walgreens.com
Sweet. Fortunately, that’s the one thing I’ve never had a problem with. You can also buy it in the old packaging at the shop at the Louis Armstrong House Museum in Corona, Queens, a must see for anyone visiting NYC. I’m kind of an evangelist for the place. The decor alone is worth the visit, and there are some very good Central American restaurants in the neighb as well.
254 | lawhawk Aug 15, 2014 3:59:38pm |
re: #227 sagehen
Bergen County NJ, which includes multiple municipalities, got 76 assault rifles, 4 pistols, 2 grenade launchers, and 2 shotguns.
In comparison, Essex (which includes Newark), got 4 helicopters, 1,136 night vision goggles, 132 assault rifles, and 52 body armor kits.
255 | sagehen Aug 15, 2014 3:59:49pm |
re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth
yeah, my county could use a helicopter, but then the sheriff would have to have a pilot and they won’t work for ~$13/hour like a regular deputy.
actually… they will. Pilots a) love flying a whole lot, and b) need a certain number of hours to keep their license current. Free flight time will get qualified pilots lined up down the block; if they get enough money for dinner that’s a really nice bonus.
(it’s the mechanics who are expensive. and they have to do a thorough inspection and usually some minor repairs every 100 hours of flight time.)
256 | lawhawk Aug 15, 2014 4:01:02pm |
re: #236 Charles Johnson
Now that’s a nice juicy Friday night news dump.
257 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 4:02:26pm |
re: #256 lawhawk
Now that’s a nice juicy Friday night news dump.
Speaking of dumps, did you happen to see my comments about urology and laxatives above? ;-)
258 | Boyo Aug 15, 2014 4:02:41pm |
259 | lawhawk Aug 15, 2014 4:03:01pm |
re: #225 Charles Johnson
At this point, we need one of those slider images showing the different stages of Capt. Jackson’s nonsensical explanations for the shooting that don’t actually shed any light on the situation.
260 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 4:03:01pm |
re: #255 sagehen
actually… they will. Pilots a) love flying a whole lot, and b) need a certain number of hours to keep their license current. Free flight time will get qualified pilots lined up down the block; if they get enough money for dinner that’s a really nice bonus.
(it’s the mechanics who are expensive. and they have to do a thorough inspection and usually some minor repairs every 100 hours of flight time.)
OK, ya got me on that. Totally true!
262 | darthstar Aug 15, 2014 4:05:09pm |
Rick Perry indicted. And they say nothing happens on Fridays.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 15, 2014
This photo is now everything. #RickPerry pic.twitter.com/mbKnkf03OE— Danielle (@DCPlod) August 15, 2014
263 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 4:07:08pm |
And Gov Rick Perry called ME scandalous trash? #Indicted
— Sarah Reese Jones (@srjones66) August 15, 2014
264 | Decatur Deb Aug 15, 2014 4:07:51pm |
re: #255 sagehen
actually… they will. Pilots a) love flying a whole lot, and b) need a certain number of hours to keep their license current. Free flight time will get qualified pilots lined up down the block; if they get enough money for dinner that’s a really nice bonus.
(it’s the mechanics who are expensive. and they have to do a thorough inspection and usually some minor repairs every 100 hours of flight time.)
Guessing they would be something like a UH-1, operating cost > $835/hr. If somebody gets a Blackhawk, that’s about $2,500.
265 | Boyo Aug 15, 2014 4:08:35pm |
friday dump
“Ferguson police will release the name of the officer who fired the shots that killed 18-year-old Michael Brown by Tuesday afternoon.”
but hey, friday dump is best dump
266 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 4:09:47pm |
Doesn't matter if Brown was an angel, or an honor student, or a thief. Just what happened when he was killed. http://t.co/kapnvUETWM
— AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) August 15, 2014
267 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 4:15:29pm |
re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Alas, for too many folks “justice” simply means incarceration by any means.
268 | TedStriker Aug 15, 2014 4:17:38pm |
re: #267 De Kolta Chair
Alas, for too many folks “justice” simply means incarceration.
Or street beatdowns and executions by cops and vigilantes.
269 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 4:18:54pm |
re: #268 TedStriker
Or street executions by cops and vigilantes.
But you can bet your sweet bippy that Rick Perry is screaming “Justice!” right now, while on the phone with Tom DeLay’s lawyer.
270 | b.d. Aug 15, 2014 4:19:08pm |
Right wing radio freaking out over Perry.
Maybe if we tell the GOP that Michael Brown was a republican they’ll change their tune? Seems that there is no such thing as a guilty republican.
271 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 4:20:42pm |
re: #269 De Kolta Chair
But you can bet your sweet bippy that Rick Perry is screaming “Justice!” right now, while on the phone to Tom DeLay’s lawyer.
I named my first cat Bippy.
272 | b.d. Aug 15, 2014 4:20:45pm |
The citizens of Ferguson supposedly run their own town. Time for the Mayor to fire the police chief or for the citizens to vote in people who can populate the civil service in that town with people who f*cking get it.
274 | klys Aug 15, 2014 4:21:14pm |
Even if there was an attack, it cannot justify shooting someone who has their hands up and is separated from the officer by sufficient distance to allow the officer time to react to movement.
FFS.
275 | b.d. Aug 15, 2014 4:21:58pm |
re: #269 De Kolta Chair
But you can bet your sweet bippy that Rick Perry is screaming “Justice!” right now.
Perry better not be talking to a trial lawyer, republicans hate those but sure do seem to hire a bunch of them
276 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 4:22:53pm |
re: #271 wrenchwench
I named my first cat Bippy.
Bippy’s a grand name. I apologize for any inference with that Texass slug.
I once had a cat named Murpy, or should I say he once had me.
277 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 4:26:15pm |
re: #274 klys
Even if there was an attack, it cannot justify shooting someone who has their hands up and is separated from the officer by sufficient distance to allow the officer time to react to movement.
FFS.
He’s not very good at this posting comments thing. I mean, he can post a comment, but not make or defend a point.
278 | Boyo Aug 15, 2014 4:26:34pm |
re: #276 De Kolta Chair
upding for getting Norwegian Wood to play in my head
279 | Sionainn Aug 15, 2014 4:27:44pm |
So, is there an actual police report out on the shooting or is everything just coming from the chief of police?
280 | klys Aug 15, 2014 4:28:23pm |
re: #279 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP
So, is there an actual police report out on the shooting or is everything just coming from the chief of police?
No actual report out. What is known is what the witnesses have said to the media (at least 3 that I know have spoken publicly) and what the chief has said.
281 | darthstar Aug 15, 2014 4:30:00pm |
Overheard in downtown Houston: “If being a dumbfuck was a crime, he'd a been indicted a long time ago.” #RickPerry— Ignacio Carrion (@igcarr) August 15, 2014
282 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 4:31:13pm |
Breaking: Rick Perry indicted on two felony counts. There was a third, but… oops.— Ignacio Carrion (@igcarr) August 15, 2014
283 | ObserverArt Aug 15, 2014 4:32:04pm |
But the big question…is Ricky going to lose the glasses???
If he is using them to look smarter, well…
284 | TedStriker Aug 15, 2014 4:33:17pm |
285 | goddamnedfrank Aug 15, 2014 4:35:06pm |
re: #274 klys
Even if there was an attack, it cannot justify shooting someone who has their hands up and is separated from the officer by sufficient distance to allow the officer time to react to movement.
FFS.
Shooting a fleeing suspect in the back at best over some Swisher Sweets, then continuing to shoot him when he turns around with his hands up.
286 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 4:36:03pm |
re: #278 Boyo
upding for getting Norwegian Wood to play in my head
Happy to oblige. Here’s a bit o’ trivia: My favorite Dylan song is Fourth Time Around, which has pretty much the same melody and plot as the previously written Norwegian Wood. The story goes that Zimmy thought it was funny, and perhaps was a mite upset, that Lennon had started writing Dylanesque songs and wanted to show him how it’s really done.
289 | harlequinade Aug 15, 2014 4:43:00pm |
Can I cut and paste from Downstairs - about the video released?
re: #206 BeachDem
Going back to Jackson’s morning presser. According to what he said, here’s rough timeline (among other things, I want to know how the hell Wilson made it from Glenark to the scene in 1 minute—or am I missing something?)
11:48 Officer Wilson at sick call on Glenark
11:51 911 Call from a convenience store (Ferguson Market & Liquor, W. Florrisant)
11:52 Description of robbery suspect dispatched
? A different officer arrives at store
? Further description dispatched—says suspect walking toward Quik Trip
12:00 Officer Wilson leaves Glenark
12:01 Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown on Canfield Dr.
12:04 Second officer arrives on scene
12:05 Supervisor dispatched to scene and other officers arrive
? Ambulance from Glenark call arrives at scene to “assess” Michael Brown
That’s not the timeline.
It’s - rather
11:48 Officer Wilson at sick call on Glenark
11:51 Paperwork dates the 911 Call from a convenience store (Ferguson Market & Liquor, W. Florrisant)
11:52 Description of robbery suspect dispatched. “Man-Supposed-To-Be-Brown” Enters the convenience store.
? A different officer arrives at store
? Further description dispatched—says suspect walking toward Quik Trip
11:54 Potentially, store owner says “Call the Police”
11:55 “Man-Supposed-To-Be-Brown” exits the convenience store.
12:00 Officer Wilson leaves Glenark
12:01 Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown on Canfield Dr.
12:04 Second officer arrives on scene
12:05 Supervisor dispatched to scene and other officers arrive
? Ambulance from Glenark call arrives at scene to “assess” Michael Brown
290 | Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 15, 2014 4:46:11pm |
re: #289 harlequinade
add:
Anytime 081514: Chief Jackson spins like a top grabbing “facts” wherever he can get them.
291 | ausador Aug 15, 2014 4:49:25pm |
re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth
wait just a freakin minute
[Embedded content]
Darren Wilson is now a SLPD officer????
Tapper needs to STFU.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch the paper he is quoting, not St. Louis Police Department.
Confused me too so I tweeted and he answered…
292 | Pie-onist Overlord Aug 15, 2014 4:56:02pm |
re: #277 wrenchwench
He’s not very good at this posting comments thing. I mean, he can post a comment, but not make or defend a point.
He’s just an asshole troll.
293 | wrenchwench Aug 15, 2014 4:56:51pm |
re: #292 Pie-onist Overlord
He’s just an asshole troll.
That’s what my comment originally looked like. I edited the hell out of it.
294 | De Kolta Chair Aug 15, 2014 5:11:50pm |
re: #288 Boyo
hehe wow..nice
I did not know that
I take that back about 4th Time Around having pretty much the same plot. Dylan’s is infinitely more twisted. Raymond Chandler comes to mind:
I stood there and hummed
I tapped on her drum and asked her how come
And she buttoned her boot
And straightened her suit
Then she said, don’t get cute
295 | alpuz Aug 15, 2014 7:03:52pm |
re: #50 Kragar
Don’t own a gun, never have. When I was a kid(22) I had an Akita/Elkhound mix dog that grew old. In her old age she would attack any animal smaller than her if she wasn’t leashed. So, that’s that.
An acquaintance of a friend thought it might be a good idea to let her off of her rope one night(I was inside prepping dinner). Welp, the neighbor’s dog that roamed freely for months and would taunt her within feet of her rope became target number 1. She did her thing..
End of story, the dude who owned the unleashed dog threatened to shoot her with that very same gun. First I’d ever heard of it.