The Wall Street Journal Trots Out a Former Chief Scientist for BP to Argue Against Action on Climate Change

Just roll over and go back to sleep

As hundreds of thousands of people demonstrate across the world to demand action on the growing threat of climate change, the Wall Street Journal trots out the former chief scientist of BP, one of the world’s top fossil fuel producers, to say Climate Science Is Not Settled.

And the argument boils down to this: roll over and go back to sleep, everyone.

Any serious discussion of the changing climate must begin by acknowledging not only the scientific certainties but also the uncertainties, especially in projecting the future. Recognizing those limits, rather than ignoring them, will lead to a more sober and ultimately more productive discussion of climate change and climate policies. To do otherwise is a great disservice to climate science itself.

Did I mention that the person described by the Wall Street Journal as “leading scientist Steven E. Koonin” was previously the “leading scientist” for BP — the company responsible for one of the worst oil spill disasters in history? I did?

Dr. Koonin was undersecretary for science in the Energy Department during President Barack Obama’s first term and is currently director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University. His previous positions include professor of theoretical physics and provost at Caltech, as well as chief scientist of BP, where his work focused on renewable and low-carbon energy technologies.

Well, you should also know that Koonin is not a climate scientist. He’s a computational physicist. And this “do nothing” strategy is just the latest in a long line of conservative chicanery.

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349 comments

1 hamptonroads  Sep 21, 2014 6:18:09pm

If there were 97%+ consensus that trickle-down economics was great, and that banning abortion was great, and ending the minimum wage was great, conservative hacks would be shouting that shit from the rooftops.

But because combating climate change means that rich fucks will necessarily have to make less money and/or their preferred pollutants will virtually need to go out of business…nope, that +/- 3% or so, man, we’ve got to make sure those opinions are given the same thoughtful, concerned, reasoned weight as that loud, obnoxious 97%.

These people literally do not give a single fuck about anyone but themselves and their wallets.

2 freetoken  Sep 21, 2014 6:21:39pm

You really don’t need to know climatology to deconstruct Koonin’s editorial, though knowing a bit about earth science makes reading his editorial all the more painful.

If you look carefully you can see some standard tactics here, even used by creationists. Note how carefully Koonin substitutes ambiguous words compared to the climate summaries written by climatologists.

Bottom line is that Koonin is pulling a Lomborg here. He gives lip service to being concerned, but then argues that since we don’t know enough we ought not really do what needs to be done.

3 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 6:26:37pm

Why is it that none of the scientists that Climate Deniers like to trot out are experts in the field of Climate Science?

4 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 21, 2014 6:27:57pm

How about presenting a realistically proportional number of climatologists for every hack?

5 freetoken  Sep 21, 2014 6:29:51pm

re: #3 Kragar

For the same reason that most of them are also retired.

6 b_sharp  Sep 21, 2014 6:31:26pm

re: #3 Kragar

Why is it that none of the scientists that Climate Deniers like to trot out are experts in the field of Climate Science?

Some are. Like Roy Spencer.

7 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 21, 2014 6:32:35pm

8 Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2014 6:33:14pm
9 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 21, 2014 6:34:03pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

10 Ryan King  Sep 21, 2014 6:35:15pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Dude, you so almost totally kinda almost got me… for a second..

11 freetoken  Sep 21, 2014 6:36:10pm

Hopefully someone will be able to publish a point by point refutal, though getting something printed by the WSJ or other outlets is the hard part, not deconstructing his piece.

Koonin is counting on most readers not really being able to know, for instance, where to find actual sea-level rise data for the 20th century.

He is also counting on people not being able to follow a shell game (as in street magic.) He mentions the variability in surface temperature rise as something that ought to dissuade from taking any action regarding climate change, but that is very subtly mixing two different questions. He also knows most readers don’t understand what is and what is not to be learned about natural variability.

And so on.

The problem here is that the professional obfuscator can accomplish his task in far fewer words than someone who is actually informing on the subject will take, given the complexity of the subject.

12 Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2014 6:38:09pm

re: #11 freetoken

The worst thing about this is that Koonin actually worked himself into a high position in the federal government with this BS. And people wonder why we’re in deep shit.

13 Talking Point Detective  Sep 21, 2014 6:40:37pm
Sometimes you have to notice the silences. Where has Dr. Steve Koonin, Under Secretary for Science at the US Department of Energy, been since the Gulf disaster happened?

Koonin was intimately acquainted with the very technologies that have failed so spectacularly on the Deepwater Horizon rig in his former job as BP’s chief scientist. While his current employer, Barack Obama is trying to figure out ‘whose ass to kick’ over the spill, he might find it instructive to zip back to a presentation by Koonin at MIT in 2005, in which we see Koonin-as-oilman boasting of his company’s technological prowess in taking oil exploration and production into the ultra deep waters of the gulf.

In particular, he says that $50 million to bore a hole in the gulf’s seabed will yield a million barrels a day, describing the technical challenges of depth and pressure. A small note on the bottom of his slide reads ‘marine environment creates integrity challenges’ - engineering-speak for ‘accidents likely’.

theecologist.org

14 Talking Point Detective  Sep 21, 2014 6:41:12pm

re: #13 Talking Point Detective

Sorry - forgot that this blog has a nifty edit feature!

15 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 6:41:51pm

So if climate change is a myth, but we treat it seriously, all we’ll get is improved infrastructure, improved fuel and energy systems, a cleaner environment and we’ll have nothing to show for it.

If its real and we do nothing, we face famine, flood, drought and the potential that civilization as we know it collapses.

Choices, choices.

16 Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2014 6:43:35pm

re: #13 Talking Point Detective

Excellent find. Added it as an “Also see” item to the post.

17 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 21, 2014 6:44:23pm

re: #11 freetoken

Hopefully someone will be able to publish a point by point refutal, though getting something printed by the WSJ or other outlets is the hard part, not deconstructing his piece.

Koonin is counting on most readers not really being able to know, for instance, where to find actual sea-level rise data for the 20th century.

He is also counting on people not being able to follow a shell game (as in street magic.) He mentions the variability in surface temperature rise as something that ought to dissuade from taking any action regarding climate change, but that is very subtly mixing two different questions. He also knows most readers don’t understand what is and what is not to be learned about natural variability.

And so on.

The problem here is that the professional obfuscator can accomplish his task in far fewer words than someone who is actually informing on the subject will take, given the complexity of the subject.

Share prices are variable, so it’s not a good idea to invest in the stock market.

18 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 6:44:28pm

re: #6 b_sharp

Some are. Like Roy Spencer.

Oh, look what I found:

Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming,[30][31] which states that “Earth and its ecosystems - created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence - are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting”

So in other words, everything he says can be safely tossed aside

19 Floral Giraffe  Sep 21, 2014 6:44:39pm

This is when I miss Ludwig.

20 Floral Giraffe  Sep 21, 2014 6:45:15pm

Well, without the rage….

21 b_sharp  Sep 21, 2014 6:47:27pm

re: #18 Kragar

Oh, look what I found:

So in other words, everything he says can be safely tossed aside

I know. I’m just saying there is that 3% of climatologists who disagree with the broader consensus.

They are almost universally the same scientists who believe the Milankovitch cycles are taking us to a colder climate, or are being paid by big oil.

22 Dark_Falcon  Sep 21, 2014 6:49:16pm

re: #19 Floral Giraffe

This is when I miss Ludwig.

Well, this fellows piece might make up for it. Normally, I wouldn’t post a link to an article by an anti-fracking activist, but when it comes to BP Martin Porter did his homework. I’ve got to link to the Google Cache, because the direct link isn’t working. I’ll quote the most initally relevant section:

Bad Capitalism: BP

Greenwash

In 1997 John Browne, the dapper CEO of British Petroleum, as it then was, made a speech at Stanford University in which he acknowledged that Climate Change “cannot be discounted”.

Today you’d expect him to go on to suggest that the Pope may very well be Catholic and that bears use the trees for their ablutions, but in 1997 this was big news coming from an oil man.

In the rush to crown Browne as the new Sun King most people ignored the fact he went on to say that “dramatic, sudden” action that “sought, at a stroke, drastically to restrict carbon emissions” would be “wrong”.

For many, it was enough that he had even mentioned Global Warming.

Browne knew what he was doing making that speech, or at least he thought he did. If governments wanted to do something about Climate Change the easiest and simplest thing was to phase out coal fired power stations and replace them with gas. And where would they get their gas from? BP of course.

Three years later Browne spent millions of pounds rebranding BP as “Beyond Petroleum”. He spent rather less money on a factory making solar panels. It was located in California, so the panels it made were too expensive to be commercially viable, but it was conveniently located for photo calls with ‘Governator’ Arnold Schwarzenegger.

23 Grrr  Sep 21, 2014 6:55:29pm

Any serious discussion of ISIL must begin by acknowledging not only the scientific certainties but also the uncertainties, especially in projecting the future. Recognizing those limits, rather than ignoring them, will lead to a more sober and ultimately more productive discussion of foreign policy. To do otherwise is a great disservice to the residents of the region.

24 Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2014 6:56:12pm
25 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 6:59:16pm
26 teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2014 6:59:37pm
27 Talking Point Detective  Sep 21, 2014 6:59:56pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Credit where credit’s due - got it from “willard” in this thread:

judithcurry.com

28 lawhawk  Sep 21, 2014 7:01:34pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

They’d rather focus on the papier mache than the fact that people are really worried that we’re screwing up the environment beyond the point of no return.

That’s so much easier than accepting that climate change is happening. Let alone doing something about it.

It’s not even clear that doing something about it will actually reduce economic growth since expenditures will be expanding in other places/fields, and the worst that might happen is that we get cleaner air and better infrastructure capable of handling severe weather events in the bargain?

29 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 21, 2014 7:02:54pm

re: #19 Floral Giraffe

This is when I miss Ludwig.

I used to miss him until I didn’t.

30 Interesting Times  Sep 21, 2014 7:03:13pm

re: #27 Talking Point Detective

Credit where credit’s due - got it from “willard” in this thread:

judithcurry.com

Ugh, speaking of climate scientists who are part of the 3%… -_-

31 lawhawk  Sep 21, 2014 7:03:13pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

And some outlets are downplaying the numbers. AP claims more than 100,000 attended, which underestimates the number attending by a factor of three.

32 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 21, 2014 7:03:32pm

re: #20 Floral Giraffe

Well, without the rage….

Because he turned out to be, you know, a fucking asshole.

33 Floral Giraffe  Sep 21, 2014 7:04:11pm

re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord

A rager, for sure…

34 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 7:04:43pm

re: #31 lawhawk

And some outlets are downplaying the numbers. AP claims more than 100,000 attended, which underestimates the number attending by a factor of three.

I’m waiting for the photos to be used by wingnuts the next time they want to lie about the massive turnout for one of their quarterly failed outrages

35 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 21, 2014 7:04:49pm

Yayy I got a retweet from @koshersoul Michael W. Twitty!

36 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 21, 2014 7:05:00pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

It’s yet another sign that the majority of the population is not paying them (the RWNJs) the slightest bit of attention. Their support only comes from a comparatively small fraction of the population.

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 21, 2014 7:09:20pm
38 PhillyPretzel  Sep 21, 2014 7:10:34pm

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

Mmm. They look great.

39 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 7:12:59pm

Speaking of totally sane, not crazy people

Howard-Browne told “Trunews” host Rick Wiles that America today is no different than Germany under Nazi rule: “We’ve been taken over. We are living in occupied territory. It’s like Nazi Germany in 1933 right now in America. People say, ‘That’s just crazy.’ But no it’s not, it’s fact.”

Howard-Browne claimed that the U.S. government is now building concentration camps and gas chambers “right before our eyes,” including one gas chamber that is currently under construction in Kentucky, as a result of a United Nations/Agenda 21 plot to pave the way for a “one world government” and “the rise of the Antichrist.”

Remember, this is the same televangelist who organized a month-long conservative prayer gathering in Washington this year and led a 2012 Republican National Convention prayer rally, both of which drew top GOP and Religious Right figures.

40 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 21, 2014 7:14:01pm

re: #39 Kragar

Speaking of totally sane, not crazy people

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41 Aye Pod  Sep 21, 2014 7:17:35pm

Star Wars Throne Room scene minus the music - sooo hilariously lame!

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42 teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2014 7:20:41pm

re: #39 Kragar

People like that should be out in the street yelling at cars all day. But this guy is friends with Ted Cruz Louie Gohmert. Ye Gods!

*spit*

43 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 7:22:01pm

re: #41 Aye Pod

Star Wars Throne Room scene minus the music - sooo hilariously lame!

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I can beat that!

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44 ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2014 7:27:28pm

re: #1 hamptonroads

If there were 97%+ consensus that trickle-down economics was great, and that banning abortion was great, and ending the minimum wage was great, conservative hacks would be shouting that shit from the rooftops.

But because combating climate change means that rich fucks will necessarily have to make less money and/or their preferred pollutants will virtually need to go out of business…nope, that +/- 3% or so, man, we’ve got to make sure those opinions are given the same thoughtful, concerned, reasoned weight as that loud, obnoxious 97%.

These people literally do not give a single fuck about anyone but themselves and their wallets.

Your last sentence should be troubling to everyone that is a denier. Caring about your wallet right now is one thing, Not caring about anyone else also must mean not caring for extended family, relatives, future family , etc.

Because if it is going to screw up earth for humans, then it is going to screw up earth for ALL humans…meaning you and yours.

That is some mega denial.

And how does it all fit in with traditional conservative thought? Let’s take defense for example…one of the areas conservatives are willing to spend to protect themselves and the country.

What could be a better defense than to be proactive about sciences and future threats they point out?

Ronnie Raygun spent trillions to bury a future threat, Russia, by spending them into collapse. Why wouldn’t they want to take on climate change as a defense?

So?

45 Aye Pod  Sep 21, 2014 7:30:23pm

From yesterdays Times :

surprise surprise

A quick look at tomorrow’s headlines has more confirmation that the ‘Better Together’ camps last-minute devolution promises are falling to pieces already. A lot of ‘no’ voters starting to realise they were fooled:

bbc.co.uk

Next referendum can’t come soon enough. Seriously, I don’t think it will be long.

46 teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2014 7:36:12pm

This quadracopter footage speaks for itself.

Youtube Video

47 Aye Pod  Sep 21, 2014 7:37:20pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

This quadracopter footage speaks for itself.

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Video

Makes me miss NY.

48 Lidane  Sep 21, 2014 7:38:37pm

That sound you hear is my irony meter going ‘splodey:

49 bratwurst  Sep 21, 2014 7:42:11pm

re: #45 Aye Pod

From yesterdays Times :

I am going to get back to you as soon as I complete a thorough review of the special guide for men about how to keep the weight off over 40.

50 Aye Pod  Sep 21, 2014 7:43:50pm

re: #49 bratwurst

I am going to get back to you as soon as I complete a thorough review of the special guide for men about how to keep the weight off over 40.

Damned internet! lol

Good to see you btw :)

51 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 21, 2014 7:44:14pm

re: #39 Kragar

Is this the guy who says the gas chambers are in Kentucky?

52 teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2014 7:48:14pm

re: #47 Aye Pod

Makes me miss NY.

I never been to NYC. I have a lot of friends that live there, they’ve been pestering me for years to get me to visit. I always say “It’s not like I don’t see you” as most, if not all of them visit every winter to go skiing.

53 Aye Pod  Sep 21, 2014 7:50:17pm

Going to try to get to sleep again.

Night folks :)

Youtube Video

54 Bear  Sep 21, 2014 7:51:03pm

re: #45 Aye Pod
Perhaps there will be enough time for detailed investigation of facts necessary to answer the NO voters concerns. One of the first thoughts I had when first hearing about the separation was can the Scotch really support them without outside help.

Good wishes to you.

55 teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2014 7:53:19pm

This was retweeted by one of my skiing heroes Chris Davenport (@SteepSkiing)

Now, I find Andy Borowitz’s brand of satire pretty stupid. But he nails it here. Broken clock adage applies.

56 BeachDem  Sep 21, 2014 8:03:43pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

My stomach has been upset all day, and now you spring a giant Newthead on me. I consider that cruel and unusual.

57 freetoken  Sep 21, 2014 8:07:01pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The worst thing about this is that Koonin actually worked himself into a high position in the federal government with this BS. And people wonder why we’re in deep shit.

One of the major results of the gigantic incestuous (private-media-gov’t) monster called “The Beltway” is that nothing really significant gets done in government without the prior approval of the vested parties. Vested parties meaning those with all the money.

58 freetoken  Sep 21, 2014 8:09:48pm

It’s been over 40 years since the Nixon administration first started to tackle America’s addiction to fossil fuels.

And here we are, over 40 years later, consuming more.

You might argue on a per capita basis we don’t consume more, but the atmosphere doesn’t care about “per capita.”

59 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 8:11:17pm

re: #58 freetoken

It’s been over 40 years since the Nixon administration first started to tackle America’s addiction to fossil fuels.

And here we are, over 40 years later, consuming more.

You might argue on a per capita basis we don’t consume more, but the atmosphere doesn’t care about “per capita.”

But if we do anything about it, it would be years before we see any results!

Now just imagine how far along we would be if we had started 40 years ago.

60 teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2014 8:14:27pm

Color me shocked!

61 BeachDem  Sep 21, 2014 8:17:29pm

Let us not forget:

Jimmy Carter installed 32 solar panels on the White House roof when he was president in the late 1970s. When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, one of his first actions as president was to have the panels, which his chief-of-staff allegedly said Reagan felt were “just a joke,” removed.

thinkprogress.org

62 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 8:18:25pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Color me shocked!

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87%, Agnostic

63 Single-handed sailor  Sep 21, 2014 8:18:34pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Color me shocked!

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13/15, atheist.

64 teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2014 8:23:05pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

13 out of 15 correct.

Atheist.

65 teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2014 8:25:07pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

The questions I got wrong:

Which Bible figure is most closely associated with remaining obedient to God despite suffering?

I answered Abraham, it’s actually Job.

And

Which one of these preachers participated in the period of religious activity known as the First Great Awakening?

I answered Charles Finney, it’s actually Jonathan Edwards.

66 jaunte  Sep 21, 2014 8:26:29pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

15 of 15, but I guessed on Jonathan Edwards.

67 TedStriker  Sep 21, 2014 8:27:06pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Color me shocked!

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15 for 15, baby!

Lapsed Methodist.

68 Belafon  Sep 21, 2014 8:27:10pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

87%, atheist. The last one was a guess, and I got the Sabbath one wrong.

69 ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2014 8:27:46pm

re: #61 BeachDem

Let us not forget:

Jimmy Carter installed 32 solar panels on the White House roof when he was president in the late 1970s. When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, one of his first actions as president was to have the panels, which his chief-of-staff allegedly said Reagan felt were “just a joke,” removed.

thinkprogress.org

Hmmm. Being reminded about Carter and solar panels makes me think of the ultimate Obama executive order.

He orders the White House be turned into the Green House and installs solar, wind, geothermal and all kinds of other technologies as they come on board in every square inch of space of property all the way out to the Mall and makes the whole shebang self sufficient and enough power to generate the Capitol and the entire Washington Mall all the way to lighting Lincoln!

Now that would send a bunch of messages and turn heads into explodey things.

70 TedStriker  Sep 21, 2014 8:28:01pm

re: #66 jaunte

15 of 15, but I guessed on Jonathan Edwards.

Yeah, I made an educated guess on that one myself; otherwise, I was sure of my answers.

71 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 8:30:03pm

Missed the Sabbath and the Great awakening question. Brain farted on the Nirvana question

72 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 21, 2014 8:30:48pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Color me shocked!

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15 of 15. That’s simpler than the civics one they do every so often.
Eta: Very active high church anglo-catholic Episcopalian.

73 Belafon  Sep 21, 2014 8:30:59pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

“It’s rigged! Most of the questions are not religious!” - Wingnut

74 TedStriker  Sep 21, 2014 8:32:19pm

re: #69 ObserverArt

Hmmm. Being reminded about Carter and solar panels makes me think of the ultimate Obama executive order.

He orders the White House be turned into the Green House and installs solar, wind, geothermal and all kinds of other technologies as they come on board in every square inch of space of property all the way out to the Mall and makes the whole shebang self sufficient and enough power to generate the Capitol and the entire Washington Mall all the way to lighting Lincoln!

Now that would send a bunch of messages and turn heads into explodey things.

Thing is, a bunch of that was already done…by W:

But as famous as the Carter installation — and subsequent Reagan removal — was, it was George W. Bush administration that installed the first active solar electric system at the White House (Carter’s panels were largely symbolic, though they were used for heating water). In 2002, multiple solar grids were installed on the White House grounds. The installation was done quietly, with far less fanfare than Carter’s, but the panels provided energy to several White House operations. According to a New York Times article from 2003, “a grid of 167 solar panels on the roof of a maintenance shed has been delivering electricity to the White House grounds. Another solar installation has been helping to provide hot water. Yet another has been keeping the water warm in the presidential pool.”

I never knew about this; I wonder if the main reason it was done to little fanfare was so that the Big Oil wing of the party wouldn’t give him major shit about it.

75 BongCrodny  Sep 21, 2014 8:33:19pm

14/15.

Somewhere between agnostic and atheist, except when I’m playing poker.

“Please, God…”

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 21, 2014 8:33:31pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

14/15
atheist

Missed the 50/50 guess on the Great Awakening question. Knew the rest of the answers.

77 jaunte  Sep 21, 2014 8:33:36pm
78 ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2014 8:35:38pm

re: #74 TedStriker

Thing is, a bunch of that was already done…by W:

I never knew about this; I wonder if the main reason it was done to little fanfare was so that the Big Oil wing of the party wouldn’t give him shit about it.

That’s good to know. But to get heads to really explode in an Obama way, it would need to be ramped up big and made as big a news story as possible.

/ I’m being devilish…

79 jaunte  Sep 21, 2014 8:37:12pm

re: #71 Kragar

Missed the Sabbath and the Great awakening question. Brain farted on the Nirvana question

I blame the Gingrich photo.

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 21, 2014 8:41:48pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

The Recipe

Looking at that and tempted but I don’t have a mixer. Think a smaller batch might be doable by hand?

81 BeachDem  Sep 21, 2014 8:42:08pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Color me shocked!

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13/15 atheist. Most surprising was how few Christians knew that a school teacher could read from the Bible in a literature course.

82 freetoken  Sep 21, 2014 8:42:40pm

I wonder what American socio-political thought will be like in 50 years.

50 years ago, 1964, public life was churning over civil rights, especially of blacks but in general. Pop music was making the turn toward counter-culture. Political parties were in the process of trading their bases.

Now 50 years later we are still arguing over civil rights but with more experience. Nevertheless, progress has been made even with the throwbacks trying to undo that.

50 years from now will the politics of, say, climate change look like today?

If I were to simply guess I’d say we’ll be in an even more reactionary mood than we were immediately post-9/11.

83 KingKenrod  Sep 21, 2014 8:43:25pm

15/15, most would call me agnostic since I’ve rejected religion, but I was raised Southern Baptist, then straight evangelical, then Seventh-day Adventist.

84 allegro  Sep 21, 2014 8:44:11pm

re: #81 BeachDem

13/15 atheist. Most surprising was how few Christians knew that a school teacher could read from the Bible in a literature course.

They don’t want to know that. Kinda messes up their martyr thing. If they ain’t oppressed, they ain’t happy.

85 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2014 8:50:22pm

I got 12 of 15. I’m a Christian (Pentecostal).

86 BeachDem  Sep 21, 2014 8:54:01pm

re: #69 ObserverArt

Hmmm. Being reminded about Carter and solar panels makes me think of the ultimate Obama executive order.

He orders the White House be turned into the Green House and installs solar, wind, geothermal and all kinds of other technologies as they come on board in every square inch of space of property all the way out to the Mall and makes the whole shebang self sufficient and enough power to generate the Capitol and the entire Washington Mall all the way to lighting Lincoln!

Now that would send a bunch of messages and turn heads into explodey things.

Baby steps—Actually, George W. Bush administration installed the first active solar electric system at the White House. In 2002, multiple solar grids were installed on the White House grounds. The panels provided energy to several White House operations.

The Obama administration announced in Oct. 2010 that it would install 20 to 50 solar panels on the residence after a campaign headed by 350.org and solar company Sungevity urged the president, along with other world leaders, to add solar panels to government buildings…

the White House official said the panels will help which will help “demonstrate that historic buildings can incorporate solar energy and energy efficiency upgrades,” and that the panels are estimated to pay for themselves in energy savings within eight years.

87 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2014 8:56:29pm

My feelings on it are, as I’ve stated many times before: Even you are a Christian the Bible makes clear that God expects us to be good stewards of the Earth. Also Jesus speaks at length about loving others and not doing them harm.

Also, throw out the discussion about WHAT is causing the climate change. Just accept that it’s happening and we can ALL do something about it.

88 HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2014 9:18:21pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Color me shocked!

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14/15. Only got the question about Jewish Sabbath wrong. I self ID as agnostic.

89 HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2014 9:19:02pm

re: #81 BeachDem

13/15 atheist. Most surprising was how few Christians knew that a school teacher could read from the Bible in a literature course.

I think so many have bought the myth spread by the RR that you can’t read a Bible in school.

90 BeachDem  Sep 21, 2014 9:31:06pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

I think so many have bought the myth spread by the RR that you can’t read a Bible in school.

Yep—also, for all the bleating they do about the ten commandments, there were an awful lot of them who didn’t know that the golden rule isn’t among the 10. Oops.

91 HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2014 9:31:36pm

re: #90 BeachDem

Yep—also, for all the bleating they do about the ten commandments, there were an awful lot of them who didn’t know that the golden rule isn’t among the 10. Oops.

that’s really bad.

92 BeachDem  Sep 21, 2014 9:39:52pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

that’s really bad.

67% of white evangelicals knew (that the golden rule isn’t one of the 10 commandments)
49% white mainline protestants and 49% black protestants
(62% Jews and atheists; 81% Mormons)

On the “According to rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court, is a public school teacher permitted to read from the Bible as an example of literature, or not?” (correct answer, yes)
26% white evangelicals; 21% white mainline protestants

93 HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2014 9:41:48pm

re: #92 BeachDem

67% of white evangelicals knew (that the golden rule isn’t one of the 10 commandments)
49% white mainline protestants and 49% black protestants
(62% Jews and atheists; 81% Mormons)

On the “According to rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court, is a public school teacher permitted to read from the Bible as an example of literature, or not?” (correct answer, yes)
26% white evangelicals; 21% white mainline protestants

As I said, so many have convinced themselves that the Supreme Court bans the Bible. They also believe you can’t pray in a public school. Obviously, they never have heard of Algebra pop quizzes.

94 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 9:44:03pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

As I said, so many have convinced themselves that the Supreme Court bans the Bible. They also believe you can’t pray in a public school. Obviously, they never have heard of Algebra pop quizzes.

You can pray all you want.

You just can’t do it as an official school activity or coerce people to do so.

95 HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2014 9:45:18pm

re: #94 Kragar

You can pray all you want.

You just can’t do it as an official school activity or coerce people to do so.

Exactly. Of course the leadership of the RR knows this but feeds on lies and fears.

96 BeachDem  Sep 21, 2014 9:50:56pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Of course the leadership of the RR knows this but feeds on lies and fears.

That’s pretty much their whole playbook. Bunch of losers.

97 HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2014 9:52:40pm

re: #96 BeachDem

That’s pretty much their whole playbook. Bunch of losers.

Oh no doubt about it. Whether it’s claiming allowing same sex couples to marry will result in concentration camps for conservative Christians or flat out lying about the effects of abortion, the RR’s whole playbook is nothing but fear and lies. Always has been going way back.

98 ausador  Sep 21, 2014 9:58:58pm

re: #4 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

How about presenting a realistically proportional number of climatologists for every hack?

No one posted the John Oliver “Last Week Tonight” clip where he did that?

Youtube Video

99 Kragar  Sep 21, 2014 10:02:55pm
100 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 21, 2014 10:09:54pm

So, I have a new toy — a set-top box that gives me hundreds of TV channels from all over the world through my Internet connection. Cost me 900 yuan (About $145) including the first year subscription to premium channels. My Internet at the uni is free, and my connection speed more than ample.

Right now, I’m listening to a jazz program from Spain.

101 lostlakehiker  Sep 21, 2014 10:27:34pm

re: #1 hamptonroads

If there were 97%+ consensus that trickle-down economics was great, and that banning abortion was great, and ending the minimum wage was great, conservative hacks would be shouting that shit from the rooftops.

But because combating climate change means that rich fucks will necessarily have to make less money and/or their preferred pollutants will virtually need to go out of business…nope, that +/- 3% or so, man, we’ve got to make sure those opinions are given the same thoughtful, concerned, reasoned weight as that loud, obnoxious 97%.

These people literally do not give a single fuck about anyone but themselves and their wallets.

Sadly, it’s worse than that. Combating climate change does not mean that the rich will have to make less money. What’s bad for the climate is bad for everyone, and vice versa. There’s money to be made in wind, solar, nuclear, efficiency, and even adaptation.

There’s less money to be made in shelling out insurance compensation for hundred-year floods that seem to come every 40 years. Or more often.

102 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 21, 2014 10:45:43pm

re: #101 lostlakehiker

Sadly, it’s worse than that. Combating climate change does not mean that the rich will have to make less money. What’s bad for the climate is bad for everyone, and vice versa. There’s money to be made in wind, solar, nuclear, efficiency, and even adaptation.

There’s less money to be made in shelling out insurance compensation for hundred-year floods that seem to come every 40 years. Or more often.

If there were no money in solar energy, the Chinese would not be making PV panels and rooftop water heaters by the thousands.

103 Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2014 10:49:58pm

I scored 100%; I identify as Sufi Muslim.

104 sagehen  Sep 21, 2014 11:40:32pm

another 15/15, but I admit I guessed the last one.

And a hearty tsk tsk to everyone who got the Jewish Sabbath question wrong.

105 wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2014 1:15:54am

re: #76 Feline Fearless Leader

14/15
atheist

Missed the 50/50 guess on the Great Awakening question. Knew the rest of the answers.

Same here. Can’t be expected to get the Great Awakening question right at 2 AM.

106 KiTA  Sep 22, 2014 1:54:30am

Welp. Home, safe and sound and making white rice for dinner.

It’s frightening how easy it was to break into my house.

107 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 2:01:42am

re: #104 sagehen

another 15/15, but I admit I guessed the last one.

And a hearty tsk tsk to everyone who got the Jewish Sabbath question wrong.

tricky question, It is Saturday but begins at sundown on Friday. I only know that from a Jewish woman I played music with.

108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 2:13:05am

re: #101 lostlakehiker

Sadly, it’s worse than that. Combating climate change does not mean that the rich will have to make less money. What’s bad for the climate is bad for everyone, and vice versa. There’s money to be made in wind, solar, nuclear, efficiency, and even adaptation.

There’s less money to be made in shelling out insurance compensation for hundred-year floods that seem to come every 40 years. Or more often.

There is a pervasive attitude that our wealth and prosperity are reflected directly in the amount of resources we consume, not in the quality of life we derive from them.

And conservationists are portrayed as “environmental whackos” who hug trees, live in lean-tos and wipe their butts with toilet paper.

I just want to see a system in which the true costs of extracting and using a particular form of energy are reflected in the cost, and not hidden by subsidies, secured through military intervention or overlooked by lax regulation.

109 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 2:20:23am

re: #60 teleskiguy

15/15, with the last question a lucky guess.
Epistemological atheist, ontological agnostic about both God and Santa.

110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 2:21:39am

re: #109 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

15/15, with the last question a lucky guess.
Epistemological atheist, ontological agnostic about both God and Santa.

I also got 15 with a coupla “educated” correct guesses. Herre also a lapsed Catholic, ontological agnostic and registered Lutheran (long story about that)

Well, if America is doing so poorly at religious knowledge, the only solution is to TEACH MORE RELIGION IN THE SCHOOLS!!!

/

111 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 2:23:39am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Which they should. Secularly.

112 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 2:25:54am

re: #111 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Which they should. Secularly.

There is the root of the problem. No matter how they teach it, it will not be enthusiastically zealous enough for some or neutral and objective enough for others.

113 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 2:31:42am
114 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 2:36:27am
115 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 2:46:20am

Ron Paul is evil.

ronpaulinstitute.org

116 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 2:56:00am

Interesting, but predictable, variation…

I’ll go with No.#6 personally.

117 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 2:58:08am

re: #116 ausador

% of whom? They should have presented the results by gender.

118 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 3:03:40am

I know you’re as shocked as I am…

Psychology Today: Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists

“… the associations between sadism and GAIT (Global Assessment of Internet Trolling) scores were so strong that it might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists.”

119 Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2014 3:23:17am

I was watching my local owned-and-operated Fox affiliate for their nightly news last night and they had video of some security consultant or commentator, presumably from Fox News Channel, saying (more or less) Obama should take his security more serious have the Secret Service blow away anyone that violates security barriers.

Yeah, because the reason Obama has more security threats that Bush has nothing to do with the right-wing media ginning up hatred for a black guy.

Any can you imagine the OUTRAGE!!1! if the Secret Service had killed a mentally ill military veteran on the White House lawn?

120 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 3:28:20am

First World problems: Spending several minutes writing a long rebuttal to a Randian post on a BBS, only for your power to die to the sound of a muffled boom from down the street just as you prepare to hit the “send” button.

Thanks, Dominion Power./////

121 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 3:28:38am

re: #119 Timothy Watson

Any can you imagine the OUTRAGE!!1! if the Secret Service had killed a mentally ill military veteran on the White House lawn?

Just another version of the OUTRAGE!!1!ty that we see every day Obama wakes up as President of the USofA

122 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 3:30:50am

re: #119 Timothy Watson

I was watching my local owned-and-operated Fox affiliate for their nightly news last night and they had video of some security consultant or commentator, presumably from Fox News Channel, saying (more or less) Obama should take his security more serious have the Secret Service blow away anyone that violates security barriers.

Yeah, because the reason Obama has more security threats that Bush has nothing to do with the right-wing media ginning up hatred for a black guy.

Any can you imagine the OUTRAGE!!1! if the Secret Service had killed a mentally ill military veteran on the White House lawn?

It’s a safe bet that, had Secret Service shot the guy dead on the White House lawn, the crowd presently portraying Michael Brown as a raging homicidal maniac would have gone apeshit over a soldier being shot dead and demanded the President answer for it.

123 Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2014 3:32:05am

re: #120 Targetpractice

First World problems: Spending several minutes writing a long rebuttal to a Randian post on a BBS, only for your power to die to the sound of a muffled boom from down the street just as you prepare to hit the “send” button.

Thanks, Dominion Power./////

If you’re in Virginia, I could say: It could be worse, you could have Rappahannock Electric Cooperative.

124 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 3:34:54am

re: #123 Timothy Watson

If you’re in Virginia, I could say: It could be worse, you could have Rappahannock Electric Cooperative.

This is the second time in two weeks that the power has died mid-morning to the sound of something blowing its top down the street, only to come back within half an hour. Of course, it’s only affecting my street, as the streets on either side remained online, so I get the feeling it’s an equipment issue that just doesn’t rate high enough to do more than fix the faults when they cause service to fail.

125 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 3:40:29am

re: #124 Targetpractice

Now you know how Doc Brown’s neighbors felt.

126 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 3:41:05am

Cool, wonder who it was that rated a larger tomb than Alexander’s father?

127 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 3:42:22am

re: #126 ausador

Prolly some Lich-King. Let’s loot.

128 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 3:44:00am

Send in Laura Croft!!!

129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 3:44:42am

BTW, it’s almost 2015. Where are the frakking flying cars?

130 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 3:51:57am

re: #127 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Prolly some Lich-King. Let’s loot.

Too busy playing Destiny to gear up for a dungeon quest right now…

131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 4:01:07am

re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

BTW, it’s almost 2015. Where are the frakking flying cars?

Skip the cars, I want a hoverboard!!!

132 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 4:02:05am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Skip the cars, I want a hoverboard!!!

Fuck, somebody must’ve messed with the timeline again.

articles.chicagotribune.com

133 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 4:02:21am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Skip the cars, I want a hoverboard!!!

Maybe Michael J. Fox will let you borrow his?

134 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 4:08:53am

re: #132 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Fuck, somebody must’ve messed with the timeline again.

articles.chicagotribune.com

The Back to the Future films used to be my favorite movies growing up as a kid. Watching them now, I just feel old looking at what the 80s thought the future would look like. It’s a bit like people in the 50s thinking that we’d have moon colonies in the 1990s but people would still dress in suits and ties for everyday events.

135 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 4:09:52am

It’s interesting how the Russian far-right have been divided by the Ukrainian question. E.g. in this poll, where about 13000 people have voted, the plurality support the “Slavic unity” against the “chauvinist vatniks”, where “vatniks” are those who support the bandits in DNR-LNR. That is, the plurality of the right nationalists are against Putin’s war, which is very surprising.

33% support “Novorossiya” though. The schism is palpable.

vk.com

136 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 4:11:28am

re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

BTW, it’s almost 2015. Where are the frakking flying cars?

I blame video games, all of our best and brightest are either wasting precious flying car inventing time by playing or making them!

/

137 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 4:17:26am

Cheney: Lies! That picture is really of the Baghdad climate march, the Iraqis will welcome us with hugs and flowers! ///
(also contracts for Halliburton)

138 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 4:19:27am

re: #137 ausador

Cheney: Propaganda! That picture is really of the Baghdad climate march! ///

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Now how can that be? I was sure that the Iraqi people were looking for us to come and save them from ISIS. Are you saying they’d rather we didn’t start sending thousands of US troops back to Iraq to do the fighting for them?!

//

139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 4:20:23am

re: #138 Targetpractice

Now how can that be? I was sure that the Iraqi people were looking for us to come and save them from ISIS. Are you saying they’d rather we didn’t start sending thousands of US troops back to Iraq to do the fighting for them?!

//

They just miss having someone to pelt with flowers.

140 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 4:23:39am

Of course, you can be sure that if the US media does touch on such protests in Iraq itself, they’ll either be granted a split-second mention as “concerns” or instead spun as “extremists” who don’t speak for the majority of Iraqis who desperately want the US to come back. God forbid they actually report that the guy on the street in Baghdad was happy when we left and isn’t looking for the President to undo his “mistake.”

141 ausador  Sep 22, 2014 4:28:21am
142 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 4:32:06am

re: #141 ausador

I’m not against IDs in theory, but if the politicians have allowed elections to be held without such IDs all this time, they can’t start demanding them now, all of a sudden. If they want the IDs, they should specify a long period - say 15 years - during which every voter should get a completely free ID. Only then will they be able to demand them without it being disenfranchisement.

143 Alyosha  Sep 22, 2014 4:36:34am

re: #134 Targetpractice

The Back to the Future films used to be my favorite movies growing up as a kid. Watching them now, I just feel old looking at what the 80s thought the future would look like. It’s a bit like people in the 50s thinking that we’d have moon colonies in the 1990s but people would still dress in suits and ties for everyday events.

A vote for the Gingrich Hegemony is a vote for Nineties-era moonbase activation.

144 darthstar  Sep 22, 2014 4:40:47am

This is what happens when you let your fantasy militia activities roll over into college football season.

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 4:50:08am

I got 15/15 on that religion quiz but I had to take a wild-eyed guess at the “Great Awakening” question

147 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 4:52:15am

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

I got 15/15 on that religion quiz but I had to take a wild-eyed guess at the “Great Awakening” question

As did nearly everybody here.

148 darthstar  Sep 22, 2014 4:56:00am

re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

BTW, it’s almost 2015. Where are the frakking flying cars?

1974 Scaramanga had one.

149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 4:56:24am

re: #142 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’m not against IDs in theory, but if the politicians have allowed elections to be held without such IDs all this time, they can’t start demanding them now, all of a sudden. If they want the IDs, they should specify a long period - say 15 years - during which every voter should get a completely free ID. Only then will they be able to demand them without it being disenfranchisement.

I would be in favor of a (free of charge) ID for every US citizen (for voting purposes) and all legally registered aliens residing there (for purposes of registering a car, using social services, schools, etc.).

It would make things considerably easier for preventing voter fraud and in controlling the flow undocumented immigrants

Any takers out there?

150 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 5:01:24am

I’m pissed at Best Buy. I bought a dishwasher from them on Aug 31. The first installation had to be rescheduled because we had a power outage, but then they randomly rescheduled TWICE. I just called the hotline and said “We have the installation scheduled for TODAY and that means I want it delivered and washing dishes TODAY! Do not randomly reschedule without even asking what is convenient for ME.”

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 5:02:49am

Wingnuts are jealous that they couldn’t get a crowd like this for their MARCH ON TEH WHITE HOUSE TO OVERTHROW TEH KENYAN MUSLIM USURPER!!!!!!!

152 Danny  Sep 22, 2014 5:04:27am

re: #124 Targetpractice

Are there lots of squirrels in your neighborhood?

153 darthstar  Sep 22, 2014 5:05:39am
154 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 5:09:40am

re: #152 Danny

Are there lots of squirrels in your neighborhood?

Not that I’ve seen recently. But then again, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn one of the little critters was to blame.

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2014 5:11:57am

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are jealous that they couldn’t get a crowd like this for their MARCH ON TEH WHITE HOUSE TO OVERTHROW TEH KENYAN MUSLIM USURPER!!!!!!!

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156 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 5:13:52am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

HURR HURR WE HAS JRRBS U LIBTARDS!!!!!!

Climate Change Action march was on a Sunday

HURR HURR WEEKENDS IS TEH YOONYUN COMMIE PLOT!!!!!!!!

157 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 5:14:56am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

A pro-Ukrainian anti-war rally in today’s dictatorial Moscow gathers tens of thousands. Wingnuts can’t gather 20 people in a democratic country.

158 darthstar  Sep 22, 2014 5:15:24am
159 Danny  Sep 22, 2014 5:15:31am

re: #154 Targetpractice

Yeah I once lived on a street where squirrels would blow the breakers pretty often. Could also be a bad drop wire somewhere nearby but the linemen usually check for that before replacing the breakers.

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2014 5:16:23am

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR WE HAS JRRBS U LIBTARDS!!!!!!

Climate Change Action march was on a Sunday

HURR HURR WEEKENDS IS TEH YOONYUN COMMIE PLOT!!!!!!!!

The Lord’s Day!!11!!!

HEATHENS!!!!11!!!

161 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 5:16:39am

Wow so much Teh Stupids in this meme.
You can get a chicken sandwich at a lot of places that are not Chick Fil-A
Most gasoline by the time it has been refined and taken to the pump, is no longer identifiable by country of origin.
However Marathon, Valero & Citgo sell mostly Venezuelan gas

162 Alyosha  Sep 22, 2014 5:17:03am

re: #142 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The idea that we (ie democracies) ought to make ID specifically for authentication of one’s vote even works just on the level of political awareness. Bestowing the sacred right to vote with a symbol as functional as a card is a great way to introduce a citizen to the political process and kind of create the opportunity for someone to develop an idea of their own personal political identity, outside of the group mentality. I really think a physical reminder that one has a duty to the state of the nation would help with motivation. Plus, obviously, it would eliminate the potential of voter fraud to actually influence the outcome of an election; whether by actual fraud or enacting legislation to restrict voting rights under the pretense that fraud is actually occurring.

Can you imagine the rollout for such a project, though? End-Timers would be so a-froth.

163 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 5:19:52am

re: #144 darthstar

This is what happens when you let your fantasy militia activities roll over into college football season.

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Those wingnuts idea of ‘defense of the border’ failed as badly as the Panthers’ defense did last night. Though I’d wager the Border Patrol might be easier on the wingnuts than the Steelers were on the Panthers.

164 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 5:23:32am

So I’m rewatching BtF II, and the newspaper there mentions Queen Diana. That’s why we can’t have nice flying cars.

165 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 5:27:20am

re: #162 Alyosha

Can you imagine the rollout for such a project, though? End-Timers would be so a-froth.

On both the left and right…

166 Alyosha  Sep 22, 2014 5:30:24am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

When it comes to the conspiracy theories both are spouting, it becomes difficult to differentiate them.

167 Danny  Sep 22, 2014 5:37:37am

re: #162 Alyosha

I’m not really up on the voter ID issue. Is it that hard to get an ID in some states?

168 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 5:39:31am

re: #167 Danny

I’m not really up on the voter ID issue. Is it that hard to get an ID in some states?

Texas voter ID law unfairly burdens minorities, women and the poor.

169 Alyosha  Sep 22, 2014 5:42:30am

re: #167 Danny

I’m not really up on the voter ID issue. Is it that hard to get an ID in some states?

In my country, not so much. Voting is compulsory here; it’s such a socialist hellhole. / obviously

In the US, however things are different. Besides gerrymandering, I’d say voter disenfranchisement is the biggest reason the GOP can maintain a grip on the Legislature.

170 Danny  Sep 22, 2014 5:44:58am

re: #168 Pie-onist Overlord

Thanks. Are IDs expensive or hard to get in Texas? The article doesn’t say.

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2014 5:47:09am

re: #170 Danny

Thanks. Are IDs expensive or hard to get in Texas? The article doesn’t say.

From the article:

About 80 Texas counties have no DPS driver’s license office, which could make it difficult for Texans without a driver’s license to get a Voter ID card. Low income neighborhoods in metro areas also have few DPS offices.

172 Danny  Sep 22, 2014 5:47:13am

re: #170 Danny

Nevermind, I see that it’s a lack of DPS offices.

173 Danny  Sep 22, 2014 5:47:44am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks, yeah I finally got it. Need more coffee!

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 22, 2014 5:48:01am

re: #162 Alyosha

The idea that we (ie democracies) ought to make ID specifically for authentication of one’s vote even works just on the level of political awareness. Bestowing the sacred right to vote with a symbol as functional as a card is a great way to introduce a citizen to the political process and kind of create the opportunity for someone to develop an idea of their own personal political identity, outside of the group mentality. I really think a physical reminder that one has a duty to the state of the nation would help with motivation. Plus, obviously, it would eliminate the potential of voter fraud to actually influence the outcome of an election; whether by actual fraud or enacting legislation to restrict voting rights under the pretense that fraud is actually occurring.

Can you imagine the rollout for such a project, though? End-Timers would be so a-froth.

Oh, but it would be so much fun to program the serial number to be 666+SSN … :D

(Stupid only 200 year old heresy of these idiot “end timers” anyway)

175 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 22, 2014 5:49:45am

re: #164 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

So I’m rewatching BtF II, and the newspaper there mentions Queen Diana. That’s why we can’t have nice flying cars.

Coincidentally, I just watched The Queen on my spiffy new Internet TV set up. The film showed a snippet of an interview Diana did in which she said she doubted she would ever be Queen, because the “establishment” — meaning the Royals* — would never allow it.

* Not the KC Royals, who’d probably be cool with it.

176 Alyosha  Sep 22, 2014 5:55:14am

re: #174 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, but it would be so much fun to program the serial number to be 666+SSN … :D

(Stupid only 200 year old heresy of these idiot “end timers” anyway)

That ‘heresy’ you speak of is the only thing keeping those Mom-n-Pop mega-churches open for business ;)

177 Lidane  Sep 22, 2014 5:55:58am

Making Meet the Press more relevant, one broadcast at a time:

Chuck Todd Splits US Into ‘Starbucks Nation’ And ‘Chick-Fil-A Country’ (VIDEO)

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 22, 2014 5:56:47am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

tricky question, It is Saturday but begins at sundown on Friday. I only know that from a Jewish woman I played music with.

I knew it from comments here by Jewish Lizards and also from the fact that the good falafel place over on 20th Street closes at 3pm on Friday and is open ‘til 6pm on the other days they are open.

;)

179 Mattand  Sep 22, 2014 6:05:21am

re: #60 teleskiguy

Color me shocked!

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Got 14/15 for Team Atheist. Amazingly, the one got wrong was not the Great Awakening question, but the Sabbath one. I’m still kicking myself over that, because I had one of those “I think it’s this, but I’ll bectha it’s that” moments.

180 Mattand  Sep 22, 2014 6:06:20am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #178 Feline Fearless Leader

LOL, didn’t see these comments until about 2 seconds after I posted mine.

181 Mattand  Sep 22, 2014 6:07:22am

re: #177 Lidane

Making Meet the Press more relevant, one broadcast at a time:

Chuck Todd Splits US Into ‘Starbucks Nation’ And ‘Chick-Fil-A Country’ (VIDEO)

Like I said yesterday, the Toddler has one of TV journalism’s most sought-after jobs, and he still acts like he’s auditioning for Fox News.

182 Mattand  Sep 22, 2014 6:09:15am

re: #174 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, but it would be so much fun to program the serial number to be 666+SSN … :D

(Stupid only 200 year old heresy of these idiot “end timers” anyway)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Christianity basically the only religion that gets its mitre in a twist over the number 666; and that no one else gives a rat’s posterior about it?

183 Lidane  Sep 22, 2014 6:10:50am

re: #182 Mattand

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Christianity basically the only religion that gets its mitre in a twist over the number 666; and that no one else gives a rat’s posterior about it?

It’s only certain strains of Christianity. I don’t remember much babble about it when I was growing up Catholic.

184 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:15:22am

re: #182 Mattand

Hmm. No analogies come to mind in other religions, though such probably exist.

185 Mattand  Sep 22, 2014 6:15:29am

re: #183 Lidane

It’s only certain strains of Christianity. I don’t remember much babble about it when I was growing up Catholic.

Weird. I grew up Catholic as well, and I was aware of it. However, it’s entirely possible I first learned about it when the first Omen movie came out in ‘77 or so. Our devoutness as Catholics was barely a notch above “Paying lip service”.

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2014 6:16:34am

Happening now around Amarillo, Texas:

187 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:17:38am

What is somewhat analogous are various numerological beliefs, but they’re usually positive or neutral, not “panicky”, like the 666 belief. I mean various things like finding the number 19 in the Koran, Jewish gematria and so on.

188 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:20:02am

The Torah codes come to mind, that was some laff riot.

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 22, 2014 6:21:15am

re: #182 Mattand

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Christianity basically the only religion that gets its mitre in a twist over the number 666; and that no one else gives a rat’s posterior about it?

Only fundies who have fallen for certain types of end-time fantasies. The proverbial vocal minority.

190 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:22:25am

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

We can only hypothesize what 666 meant, but the usual hypotheses about Nero being the Beast are plausible.

191 Lidane  Sep 22, 2014 6:26:31am

re: #185 Mattand

Weird. I grew up Catholic as well, and I was aware of it. However, it’s entirely possible I first learned about it when the first Omen movie came out in ‘77 or so. Our devoutness as Catholics was barely a notch above “Paying lip service”.

I’m sure I heard about it, but I don’t remember the priests making a big deal about it at Mass, or much talk about it in Sunday school.

And my devoutness as a Catholic went from me being highly literal and wanting to be a priest as a kid to being a notch above lip service by the time I was a freshman in high school. By the time I graduated I was done.

192 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 6:27:02am
193 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 22, 2014 6:30:18am

re: #190 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

We can only hypothesize what 666 meant, but the usual hypotheses about Nero being the Beast are plausible.

The rest of the imagery is so consistent with being about Nero’s Rome that I personally consider it obvious. But Christianity has been infected with it’s eschatological foolishness since probably even before the Romans tied him up to a cross. I say before as there was the earlier strains of it in Jewish thought brought back from Babylon that can still be seen in Daniel for example (which then gets twisted even further by the nuts looking to support their ideas of Revelations, wash, rinse, repeat, ad nausum…)

Dualism is the ultimate curse behind this.

194 Bulworth  Sep 22, 2014 6:30:35am

re:
#177

Chuck Todd Splits US Into ‘Starbucks Nation’ And ‘Chick-Fil-A Country’ (VIDEO)

Why is Obama always dividing the American people again???

///

195 CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2014 6:31:13am

re: #182 Mattand

re: #183 Lidane

666 isn’t a thing in Islam either, at least not that I’ve ever heard of in 20+ years.

196 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:31:22am
197 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 22, 2014 6:33:48am

re: #154 Targetpractice

Not that I’ve seen recently. But then again, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn one of the little critters was to blame.

What about a mental health research institute that recently suffered a mass escape by some of their test animals?

;)

198 darthstar  Sep 22, 2014 6:34:35am

re: #177 Lidane

Making Meet the Press more relevant, one broadcast at a time:

Chuck Todd Splits US Into ‘Starbucks Nation’ And ‘Chick-Fil-A Country’ (VIDEO)

He will forever be Chuck Fil-A now.

199 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 6:39:08am
200 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 22, 2014 6:41:32am

re: #181 Mattand

Like I said yesterday, the Toddler has one of TV journalism’s most sought-after jobs, and he still acts like he’s auditioning for Fox News.

A more useful measure would be Krispy Kreme Kountry vs. Dunkin’ Donuts Domain.

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 22, 2014 6:42:51am

re: #187 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What is somewhat analogous are various numerological beliefs, but they’re usually positive or neutral, not “panicky”, like the 666 belief. I mean various things like finding the number 19 in the Koran, Jewish gematria and so on.

The number ‘19’ also has special significance in the card game of Cribbage.

(It’s the only hand score under 24 that can’t be made. So it’s often used as a ‘joke’ claimed score for a zero hand or crib score.)

202 CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2014 6:42:55am

re: #193 William Barnett-Lewis

The rest of the imagery is so consistent with being about Nero’s Rome that I personally consider it obvious. But Christianity has been infected with it’s eschatological foolishness since probably even before the Romans tied him up to a cross. I say before as there was the earlier strains of it in Jewish thought brought back from Babylon that can still be seen in Daniel for example (which then gets twisted even further by the nuts looking to support their ideas of Revelations, wash, rinse, repeat, ad nausum…)

Dualism is the ultimate curse behind this.

One of the first big differences I found between Islam and what I understood from my (nominally) Catholic upbringing was that while there’s a Satan in Islam, he’s not portrayed as anywhere near as powerful as God.

Regarding Babylon, it wouldn’t surprise me. For me, dualism always immediately brings to mind Zoroastrianism.

203 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:46:00am

re: #193 William Barnett-Lewis

The rest of the imagery is so consistent with being about Nero’s Rome that I personally consider it obvious. But Christianity has been infected with it’s eschatological foolishness since probably even before the Romans tied him up to a cross. I say before as there was the earlier strains of it in Jewish thought brought back from Babylon that can still be seen in Daniel for example (which then gets twisted even further by the nuts looking to support their ideas of Revelations, wash, rinse, repeat, ad nausum…)

Dualism is the ultimate curse behind this.

Oh yeah, Daniel is another example of the very same phenomenon. For the messianic prophecies there actually describe the 2nd century situation, the Maccabean times. With the Anointed One (christos/moschiach) actually being the high priest Onias.

204 HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2014 6:46:45am

re: #177 Lidane

Making Meet the Press more relevant, one broadcast at a time:

Chuck Todd Splits US Into ‘Starbucks Nation’ And ‘Chick-Fil-A Country’ (VIDEO)

This is such astute political analysis by Chuck Todd. A regular Edward Morrow that one is.

205 CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2014 6:46:57am

re: #187 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What is somewhat analogous are various numerological beliefs, but they’re usually positive or neutral, not “panicky”, like the 666 belief. I mean various things like finding the number 19 in the Koran, Jewish gematria and so on.

Yeah, Rashad Khalifa an the “19ers”.

*grimace*

206 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 6:47:49am

I can’t hardly wait for Greenwald and Pierre to bestow a courage in journalism grant to this fine upstanding man.

//

207 darthstar  Sep 22, 2014 6:48:51am

“Fuck it, I quit.” TV host in Alaska quits after story on cannabis access where she admits to being the founder of Alaska’s cannabis club.

Youtube Video

208 aagcobb  Sep 22, 2014 6:51:51am

re: #162 Alyosha

The idea that we (ie democracies) ought to make ID specifically for authentication of one’s vote even works just on the level of political awareness. Bestowing the sacred right to vote with a symbol as functional as a card is a great way to introduce a citizen to the political process and kind of create the opportunity for someone to develop an idea of their own personal political identity, outside of the group mentality. I really think a physical reminder that one has a duty to the state of the nation would help with motivation. Plus, obviously, it would eliminate the potential of voter fraud to actually influence the outcome of an election; whether by actual fraud or enacting legislation to restrict voting rights under the pretense that fraud is actually occurring.

Can you imagine the rollout for such a project, though? End-Timers would be so a-froth.

Then how many people would be disenfranchised because they lost their ID? If the purpose of this was really to combat voter fraud, it could be done an old-fashioned way, ink a finger of each voter with indelible ink so they can only vote once, or a high-tech way, take a digital photograph of each person as they vote. “Problem” solved, and no voters disenfranchised.

209 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 22, 2014 6:56:42am

re: #208 aagcobb

Then how many people would be disenfranchised because they lost their ID? If the purpose of this was really to combat voter fraud, it could be done an old-fashioned way, ink a finger of each voter with indelible ink so they can only vote once, or a high-tech way, take a digital photograph of each person as they vote. “Problem” solved, and no voters disenfranchised.

I could see that digital photos would be a non-starter, given the recent news that the FBI has super-duper facial recognition software. Even Google and Facebook have systems that are pretty darn scary. Voting is supposed to be anonymous, and naysayers could make a reasonable argument that the photos could be correlated to a given result.

Inking the fingers is better, cheaper and already used in many countries, such as India, IIRC.

210 iossarian  Sep 22, 2014 6:59:25am

re: #209 wheat-dogghazi

Inking the fingers is better, cheaper and already used in many countries, such as India, IIRC.

Or, people could accept that the actual incidence of voter fraud is vanishingly small, especially when compared to election fraud of the “boxes of uncounted votes found in Georgia church basement” variety.

It’s just a right-wing Pavlovian response thing. Pull lever, yell “voter fraud”.

211 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 7:02:36am

re: #167 Danny

I’m not really up on the voter ID issue. Is it that hard to get an ID in some states?

The new rules in Alabama are considered ‘mild’ compared to other ALEC-driven state laws. We are working hard at fitting our GOTV to them, and there is definitely going to be a suppressive effect. For instance,interpretations of the application for a ‘free’ voter ID inform people that requesting ID when you have one of the acceptable photo IDs is finable, or even a Class C felony. The burden will certainly fall on the aged, poor, and rural citizens, as well as those bound to jobs and some religious minorities.

Ironically for AL, the law is useless to the TPGOP in most regions—they dominate the voter rolls completely. It might also flash back on them. Some of the minorities it suppressed (the aged) are part of their base.

PDF of the AL rules:

212 Bulworth  Sep 22, 2014 7:03:57am

re:
#210

Or, people could accept that the actual incidence of voter fraud is vanishingly small, especially when compared to election fraud of the “boxes of uncounted votes found in Georgia church basement” variety.

We’re just very concerned about the possibility of voter fraud because it would defraud us of are vote!!!1

213 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 7:07:45am

Weird. The Alabama rules pdf will not show in the comment. Another try:

214 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:09:06am

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Weird. The Alabama rules pdf will not show in the comment. Another try:

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“You’ve reached the bandwidth limit for viewing or downloading files that aren’t in Google Docs format. Please try again later.”

215 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 7:09:56am

re: #214 Pie-onist Overlord

“You’ve reached the bandwidth limit for viewing or downloading files that aren’t in Google Docs format. Please try again later.”

Yeah. Failed in the separate block, too.

216 CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2014 7:10:49am

re: #213 Decatur Deb

It shows fine in both for me.

217 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 7:12:04am

re: #216 CuriousLurker

It shows fine in both for me.

Same here. Showed up in both posts.

218 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:12:35am

re: #216 CuriousLurker

Doesn’t show both here, but shows the second one in the spy for me.

219 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 7:15:26am

re: #216 CuriousLurker

re: #217 Bubblehead II

Well, then you know more than you need about the AL law. Bottom line—so far 1800 ‘free’ IDs have been issued statewide.

Another obstacle is the requirement that women get a new card when changing their name through marriage or divorce. The state doesn’t seem to understand its own rules about invalidating the card when moving in or out of state.

220 iossarian  Sep 22, 2014 7:16:55am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

The state doesn’t seem to understand its own rules about invalidating the card when moving in or out of state.

Unpossible.

221 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 7:19:26am

re: #220 iossarian

Unpossible.

When we encounter young people who say “My vote doesn’t matter”, we can point to the law and say “Then why are they trying so hard to take it away from you?”

222 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 22, 2014 7:22:32am

re: #146 darthstar

At least that guy was plugged in.

Youtube Video

223 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:23:05am

WTF

224 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 7:25:27am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF

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It’s always hilarious to watch the party of “small government” talk up its attempts to regulate abortion clinics out of business.

225 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 7:25:45am

Eric Frein is starting to remind me of Eric Rudolph

226 iossarian  Sep 22, 2014 7:27:29am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF

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I think Perry envisages Texas in 2050 as some kind of weird Matrix-esque complex of 150-year-olds in artificial coma immersion tanks.

WE’LL NEVER LET YOU DIEEEEE……

227 Bulworth  Sep 22, 2014 7:28:21am

re:
#223

Rick Perry claims Texas’ new abortion restrictions could have saved Joan Rivers’ life

I don’t really want to know, do I?

228 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:29:50am

What’s the best airline reservation site?

229 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:30:39am

I’m trying to find tickets from Detroit to Miami for the week between Christmas & New Year

230 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:30:55am

Can’t find anything less than $1000

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 22, 2014 7:36:59am

re: #229 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m trying to find tickets from Detroit to Miami for the week between Christmas & New Year

How long and how much would a train take?

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:38:24am

re: #231 Feline Fearless Leader

How long and how much would a train take?

It would take at least three days to drive, and train is slower than driving.

233 iossarian  Sep 22, 2014 7:39:33am

re: #230 Pie-onist Overlord

Can’t find anything less than $1000

Florida’s a nightmare at that time of year (in terms of tickets). That might just be your best price. Several people I know from your neck of the woods just drive it. Miami’s additionally painful though.

234 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:40:08am

It took 2 days to drive to Alabama last year, and Miami is 18 hours further away.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 7:40:17am

re: #230 Pie-onist Overlord

Can’t find anything less than $1000

Try this:

kayak.com

236 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 7:40:26am
237 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:42:55am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

Try this:

kayak.com

Probably have to suck it for $1000/ticket

Hotels are equally horrific, we’re going to try Air BNB

238 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 7:43:34am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

There goes the Gvt. going after journalists again!

239 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:43:53am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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I see he is using the “Glenn Greenwald” definition of “Journalism”

240 iossarian  Sep 22, 2014 7:44:07am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

Party of law and order, except when it goes against them.

241 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 7:44:29am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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Would be fun to see him being perp walked onto a plane in cuffs after being extradited for contempt.

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2014 7:46:23am

re: #237 Pie-onist Overlord

Probably have to suck it for $1000/ticket

Hotels are equally horrific, we’re going to try Air BNB

If you leave on Christmas Day, US Airways and American have roundtrips starting at under $500.

Plug in your dates here.

244 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 7:47:20am

Chuck is basically admitting he paid a witness to lie. This isn’t going to end well for him.

245 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 7:48:39am

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Chuck is basically admitting he paid a witness to lie. This isn’t going to end well for him.

But rather entertaining for the rest of us.

246 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:51:14am

Aaah if I fly out on Christmas Eve & return on New Year’s Eve I can get flights for less than $500

247 Snarknado!  Sep 22, 2014 7:53:47am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

It took 2 days to drive to Alabama last year, and Miami is 18 hours further away.

Try southwest’s website. They still have some cheap flights left.

248 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 7:54:41am

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Chuck is basically admitting he paid a witness to lie. This isn’t going to end well for him.

Class 1 felony in Ms.

§ 97-9-109 - Bribing a witness

Universal Citation: MS Code § 97-9-109 (2013)

(1) A person commits the crime of bribing a witness if he intentionally or knowingly offers, confers or agrees to confer any benefit upon a witness or a person he believes will be called as a witness in any official proceeding with intent to:

(a) Influence the testimony of that person;

(b) Induce that person to avoid legal process summoning him to testify; or

(c) Induce that person to absent himself from an official proceeding to which he has been legally summoned.

(2) Bribing a witness is a Class 1 felony.

249 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 22, 2014 7:58:21am

re: #248 Bubblehead II

Why do I suspect that Chuck’s defense is going to be that he might have promised payment - but never made payment and never intended to make said payment.
:p

250 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:58:38am

re: #247 Snarknado!

Try southwest’s website. They still have some cheap flights left.

Southwest & Spirit are 2 airlines on my NEVER EVER FLY list

251 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 8:00:58am

re: #249 Feline Fearless Leader

Why do I suspect that Chuck’s defense is going to be that he might have promised payment - but never made it.
:p

He’s still screwed.

(1) A person commits the crime of bribing a witness if he intentionally or knowingly offers, confers or agrees to confer any benefit upon a witness or a person he believes will be called as a witness in any official proceeding with intent to:

Just making the offer is a felony in and of itself. No payment required.

252 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 8:01:06am

re: #224 Targetpractice

It’s always hilarious to watch the party of “small government” talk up its attempts to regulate abortion clinics out of business.

Or “let the market decide”. Convince enough women not to get abortions and the market will cause the clinics to close. But they know they won’t be able to do that in sufficient numbers, so the small government needs to mandate it.

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 22, 2014 8:01:24am

re: #250 Pie-onist Overlord

Southwest & Spirit are 2 airlines on my NEVER EVER FLY list

Spirit Airliner - with new easy passenger drop-off capability!

254 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 8:03:13am

re: #249 Feline Fearless Leader

Why do I suspect that Chuck’s defense is going to be that he might have promised payment - but never made payment and never intended to make said payment.
:p

I WAS LYING TO HIM! THAT MAKES IT LEGAL!

255 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 8:03:52am

Then I got angry tweet from wingnut saying “Do your homework libtard!” with a link to fake quote site.

256 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 8:04:08am

re: #254 b.d.

I WAS LYING TO HIM! THAT MAKES IT LEGAL!

I didn’t actually pay him, so it’s not bribery!!

257 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 8:04:39am

re: #229 Pie-onist Overlord

Kayak will help compare rates, including multi-city. Consider JetBlue separately. Once you see the list on Kayak, I’d go direct through the site of the airline chosen, since that might give you added benefits.

Other things to keep in mind - if you’ve got a loyalty card, you might get additional benefits like priority boarding/free first checked bag, etc.

Not all the airlines break out their fees the same way, so that adds to the complexity of trying to do any kind of search.

Also, you might find savings by having a stopover somewhere, even for a couple of hours, might save you a bunch of money but if you want to avoid potential flight delays due to weather, the stopover may be a bad idea.

258 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 8:05:27am

Can we get Dog the Bounty Hunter to go round up Chuck C?

supdog? You’re going to Mississippi with me dog.

259 1Peter G1  Sep 22, 2014 8:05:37am

re: #238 b.d.

Ironic isn’t it? All this anti-ISIS military activity seems to have something to do with beheading American journalists. There’s no accounting for evil governments is there?

260 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 8:05:41am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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So he is ignoring it rather than go and prove his “journalism”. Must not have much proof of his “journalism” creds. Fucking idiot.

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 8:05:53am

Wingnuts don’t seem to understand that Googling a Fake Quote is not “research” if you find it at sites like brainyquote which have a bunch of fake shit on them.

262 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 8:06:10am

re: #255 Pie-onist Overlord

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Then I got angry tweet from wingnut saying “Do your homework libtard!” with a link to fake quote site.

Last time I tried to trace the alleged quote here at LGF a few weeks or months ago, the earliest source I could find was Neal Boortz’s 1998 book, which not only repeated this alleged quote without the quotation marks, but also did not provide any alleged source.

263 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 8:07:21am

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

I see he is using the “Glenn Greenwald” definition of “Journalism”

I use the quotes also when referring to CCJ and journalism, because what he is doing is so far from actual journalism that you could drive a country between the two.

264 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 8:07:29am

In fact, I’m pretty sure most states consider it bribery if you make the offer, even if you don’t go through with the payment.

265 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 8:07:54am

re: #262 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Last time I tried to trace the alleged quote here at LGF a few weeks or months ago, the earliest source I could find was Neal Boortz’s 1998 book, which not only repeated this alleged quote without the quotation marks, but also did not provide any alleged source.

Here it is:

littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

266 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 8:08:28am

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Chuck is basically admitting he paid a witness to lie. This isn’t going to end well for him.

Pierre & First Look Media really need to cut Chuck C a big fat check so he can fight for teh journalism

267 iossarian  Sep 22, 2014 8:09:14am

A haiku:

Leaves are turning brown
A right-wing hack is running
Fate awaits us all

268 Frenchy  Sep 22, 2014 8:09:20am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

An illegal subpoena? He is really not well.

269 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 8:11:17am

re: #254 b.d.

I WAS LYING TO HIM! THAT MAKES IT LEGAL!

The Fox news defense. Lying isn’t illegal.

270 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 8:11:50am

re: #268 Frenchy

An illegal subpoena? He is really not well.

Wingnutville, were a citizen’s grand jury should be enough to make a president step down but a real subpoena to appear before a real grand jury is illegal.

271 Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2014 8:12:10am

re: #202 CuriousLurker

One of the first big differences I found between Islam and what I understood from my (nominally) Catholic upbringing was that while there’s a Satan in Islam, he’s not portrayed as anywhere near as powerful as God.

Regarding Babylon, it wouldn’t surprise me. For me, dualism always immediately brings to mind Zoroastrianism.

One thing I found fascinating in Islam is that Iblis (aka Azazel) is a djinn.

272 Ryan King  Sep 22, 2014 8:12:12am

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Chuck is basically admitting he paid a witness to lie. This isn’t going to end well for him.

He’s committing journalism in the face of tyrannies and oppreshuns, behold the awesomers.

273 Frenchy  Sep 22, 2014 8:12:36am

re: #265 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I hope you’re not suggesting that Boortz is not a credible source!!1!1

274 Ryan King  Sep 22, 2014 8:13:15am

re: #267 iossarian

A haiku:

Leaves are turning brown
A right-wing hack is running
Fate awaits us all

Like, whoa…

275 Schadenboner  Sep 22, 2014 8:14:14am

But, but, but, we don’t LIKE their religion!

Also, to see a catholic defending this sort of religious discrimination speaks to an astonishing level of historical ignorance.

276 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 8:14:21am

re: #273 Frenchy

I hope you’re not suggesting that Boortz is not a credible source!!1!1

It has nothing to do with credibility. It could have been a famed scholar, but if he doesn’t provide his source, the quote is useless. What I find interesting is that Boortz did not use quotation marks, which indicates paraphrasing at best. Which might mean that the alleged quote started with him.

277 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 8:14:56am

re: #264 Targetpractice

In fact, I’m pretty sure most states consider it bribery if you make the offer, even if you don’t go through with the payment.

I think so. Just like trying to setup a murder for hire. Just the act is a felony even if never enacted or any money changes hands.

278 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 8:16:45am

I’ve commented on the TRAP laws in the past, and how ambulatory surgical centers where outpatient surgeries are performed don’t get scrutinized even though the death rates there are many times higher for the patients who go there than the abortion clinics that have a low complication rate, let alone death rate for the women receiving the procedures.

Instead, Perry gives away the game showing just how nonsensical their position truly is. Texas and many other states ignore what goes on in these ambulatory surgical centers, even though complications are much more frequent, and the mortality rates for the patients is far higher than in abortion clinics. But no one is clamoring to shut down these clinics because they don’t actually care about patient safety. They only want to put the abortion clinics out of business - and that means targeting abortion clinics with the TRAP laws.

279 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 8:18:15am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

280 Snarknado!  Sep 22, 2014 8:19:44am

re: #250 Pie-onist Overlord

I love Southwest … but that’s just me.

281 Bulworth  Sep 22, 2014 8:20:06am

re:
#236

Today I have defied an illegal subpoena issued by AG Jim Hood for committing journalism in California by exposing voter fraud in MSSEN — Chuck C. Johnson

All the LOLs

282 aagcobb  Sep 22, 2014 8:20:26am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF

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I would never have guessed Joan Rivers was pregnant at her age.//

283 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 22, 2014 8:21:38am

re: #279 lawhawk

I think that he has rejected reality and substituted his own. Apparently some variant of Dudebro World where a (white) male may do as he pleases and not worry about consequences.

284 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 8:21:41am

re: #282 aagcobb

Another Republican showing their ignorance in how medical procedures are done. And in the process showing just how much of a double standard they have for abortion providers via the TRAP laws that are supposedly for patient safety but are designed to put clinics out of business.

285 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 8:22:33am

re: #258 b.d.

Can we get Dog the Bounty Hunter to go round up Chuck C?

supdog? You’re going to Mississippi with me dog.

Bring a harmonica. Gonna make you a Blues legend.

286 Frenchy  Sep 22, 2014 8:23:22am

At this rate Rick Perry should be bowing out of the race for the GOP nomination around mid-2015.

287 Bulworth  Sep 22, 2014 8:24:59am

re:
#270

Wingnutville, were a citizen’s grand jury should be enough to make a president step down but a real subpoena to appear before a real grand jury is illegal.

Uh, yeah. So whut’s you’re point?

288 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 8:25:23am

“Committed journalism in CA”. Except that he hasn’t. He paid a person to lie, and then posted about the lie as though it was fact.

That’s misrepresentation. It’s malfeasance, and it ought to be investigated. He doesn’t respond to the subpoena, then he’ll soon learn the inside of a courtroom isn’t a pleasant place to be as a criminal defendant.

289 Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2014 8:27:18am

re: #288 lawhawk

“Committed journalism in CA”. Except that he hasn’t. He paid a person to lie, and then posted about the lie as though it was fact.

That’s misrepresentation. It’s malfeasance, and it ought to be investigated. He doesn’t respond to the subpoena, then he’ll soon learn the inside of a courtroom isn’t a pleasant place to be as a criminal defendant.

If he doesn’t respond to the subpoena, can’t the court issue a warrant for his arrest?

290 Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2014 8:27:40am

re: #286 Frenchy

At this rate Rick Perry should be bowing out of the race for the GOP nomination around mid-2015.

The GOP presidential field for next year is shaping up to be hilarious. The “moderates” are all either under investigation or already indicted, while the rest of the field is like watching inmates campaign to see who will run the asylum.

291 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 8:31:22am

LOLWUT

292 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 8:33:26am

re: #201 Feline Fearless Leader

The number ‘19’ also has special significance in the card game of Cribbage.

(It’s the only hand score under 24 that can’t be made. So it’s often used as a ‘joke’ claimed score for a zero hand or crib score.)

Upding for the cribbage reference! One of my fav games.

293 Bulworth  Sep 22, 2014 8:33:41am

re:
#236

Today I have defied an illegal subpoena issued by AG Jim Hood for committing journalism in California by exposing voter fraud in MSSEN — Chuck C. Johnson

Rule of Law. /

294 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 8:33:51am

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

Failure by any person, without adequate excuse, to obey a subpoena served upon him may be subject to the penalties provided in Miss. Code Ann. § 11-9-115. Those penalties are minor, but he could be held in contempt of court.

295 Frenchy  Sep 22, 2014 8:34:36am

re: #291 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Shapiro, he’s a really miserable and terrible person. Not funny either.

296 Lidane  Sep 22, 2014 8:36:22am

And here I thought Larry Klayman wanted Obama arrested for treason:

Larry Klayman: Obama Must Follow God’s Will And Nuke ISIS

Notwithstanding the Muslim president’s traitorous acts furthering the planned Islamic caliphate over the last six years, Bush and company sowed the seeds that Obama then exploited to further the insidious plans of his Middle Eastern Muslim brothers to again enslave Jews and now Christians to a world where Shariah law rules the school under the devilish hand of their god, Allah.

So the time has come to return to the strategy of President Truman and face reality. If we really want to destroy ISIS and set an example for other radical Muslims and the Putins of the world to fear us and leave us in peace, we must use the tools that can do this. Put simply, we should employ tactical nuclear weapons to wipe out the enemy. We cannot worry that Islamic civilians will be killed in the process. In the end this strategy, as was true of the Japanese in World War II, saves not just American but Muslim lives as well.

297 Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2014 8:36:42am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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Um, Chucky? When did you become the Supreme Court?

298 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 8:37:04am

re: #208 aagcobb

Then how many people would be disenfranchised because they lost their ID? If the purpose of this was really to combat voter fraud, it could be done an old-fashioned way, ink a finger of each voter with indelible ink so they can only vote once, or a high-tech way, take a digital photograph of each person as they vote. “Problem” solved, and no voters disenfranchised.

Agreed.

I have no problem with requiring an ID for voting. It’s the limitation of the allowable ID that is the problem. A gun license ID is good but a student ID or utility bill is not. All the current ID bullshit is solely to reduce the number of undesirable voters (meaning those who won’t vote the way they want).

299 Frenchy  Sep 22, 2014 8:38:17am

re: #294 lawhawk

If by chance he’s fined, I’m sure he’ll start his usual Twitter begging to try to round up people to pay the fine for him.

300 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 22, 2014 8:38:31am

re: #236 Charles Johnson

Haha, I’m sure that will work out beautifully for him.

A lot of sociologists and psychologists have been for the past 5-ish years asserting that for-real, no-shit, clinically-significant narcissism is becoming an epidemic in American society, and I’m pretty much convinced they’re right.

301 Franklin  Sep 22, 2014 8:38:58am

re: #293 Bulworth

re:
#236

Rule of Law. /

Party of Personal Responsibility™

302 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 8:39:47am

re: #301 Franklin

Party of Personal Responsibility™

It’s Obama’s fault™

303 iossarian  Sep 22, 2014 8:41:54am

re: #298 WhatEVs

Agreed.

I have no problem with requiring an ID for voting. It’s the limitation of the allowable ID that is the problem. A gun license ID is good but a student ID or utility bill is not. All the current ID bullshit is solely to reduce the number of undesirable voters (meaning those who won’t vote the way they want).

Semi-upding. The point is that, if you make it clear that voting twice or otherwise committing voter fraud is a serious crime, and you have at least some credible way of checking who’s voted (by crossing people off a list), then it’s been shown many times that the incidence of such fraud is really, really small. The problem in the US is getting people to vote at all, forget about them voting twice or pretending to be someone else in order to vote.

It’s a non-existent problem in search of a right-wing talking point and vote suppression strategy.

304 Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2014 8:45:36am

re: #288 lawhawk

“Committed journalism in CA”. Except that he hasn’t. He paid a person to lie, and then posted about the lie as though it was fact.

That’s misrepresentation. It’s malfeasance, and it ought to be investigated. He doesn’t respond to the subpoena, then he’ll soon learn the inside of a courtroom isn’t a pleasant place to be as a criminal defendant.

And I’m not going to feel the slightest bit of pity for him.

Youtube Video

305 wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2014 8:46:28am

re: #280 Snarknado!

I love Southwest … but that’s just me.

I’ve only flown on Southwest for the past couple of decades (not very many flights) so I have nothing to compare them to, but I like ‘em fine.

306 Ace-o-aces  Sep 22, 2014 8:46:35am

re: #291 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWUT

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He’s referring to a long discredited denialist talking point that any warming trend is due to fluctuations in solar intensity. This has, of course, been shown to be false multiple times over the course of decades of research.

307 Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2014 8:49:40am

re: #306 Ace-o-aces

He’s referring to a long discredited denialist talking point that any warming trend is due to fluctuations in solar intensity. This has, of course, been shown to be false multiple times over the course of decades of research.

Decades of research by liberal scientists trolling for research funds!

308 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 22, 2014 8:53:35am

re: #291 Pie-onist Overlord

Try to imagine being that guy’s great-grandson. You’re sitting with the love of your life, looking through old photos and other relics of the past with which you have almost no connection. You come across the few stupid articles he wrote, way back when, that your grandparents saw fit to preserve.

You read a few passages aloud to the person sitting with you. The offensive stupidity of it is breathtaking, but yet somehow comical. It’s very much the product of its time, but still conveys the basic and lamentable ugliness of the person who wrote it. If the writer were alive today, you’d feel compelled to help him find his way back to the care center from which he has obviously wandered off.

You sigh. This person is your ancestor, and while you bear no responsibility for his assholism, you understand genetics and heredity well enough to know that some tiny portion of that fool is a part of you.

309 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 8:53:48am

re: #294 lawhawk

Failure by any person, without adequate excuse, to obey a subpoena served upon him may be subject to the penalties provided in Miss. Code Ann. § 11-9-115. Those penalties are minor, but he could be held in contempt of court.

He’s practicably begging them to.

Blogger says he’s defying AG Hood’s subpoena

310 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 8:53:51am

re: #246 Pie-onist Overlord

Aaah if I fly out on Christmas Eve & return on New Year’s Eve I can get flights for less than $500

I do have to say that flying Xmas eve is going to be a clusterf*ck of epic proportions due to everyone flying on that day. If you could fly ON Xmas, flying is a dream. The airports are usually empty.

I flew on Thanksgiving day one year and it was like I was the only person at the airport (ok, not quite, but seriously, I cleared LaGuardia security in seconds) which is virtually unheard of.

FWIW.

311 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 8:55:32am

re: #250 Pie-onist Overlord

Southwest & Spirit are 2 airlines on my NEVER EVER FLY list

Spirit I totally understand, but why not Southwest? I always had a good experience flying them. American is my airline of choice, especially out of DTW, since they only have a few gates. It’s usually easy-peasy to go out of the north terminal vs. the one Delta lives at.

312 wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2014 8:59:08am

re: #308 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

You sigh. This person is your ancestor, and while you bear no responsibility for his assholism, you understand genetics and heredity well enough to know that some tiny portion of that fool is a part of you.

It’s the human condition. I have only to look at my siblings. Not so tiny of a portion. Can’t claim to be the adopted one when we all look alike.

313 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 8:59:09am

I just cancelled the new dishwasher that I bought from Best Buy because they keep freaking rescheduling the installation WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO ASK IF IT’S CONVENIENT FOR ME.

Fuck them.

314 HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2014 9:00:41am

re: #308 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Try to imagine being that guy’s great-grandson. You’re sitting with the love of your life, looking through old photos and other relics of the past with which you have almost no connection. You come across the few stupid articles he wrote, way back when, that your grandparents saw fit to preserve.

You read a few passages aloud to the person sitting with you. The offensive stupidity of it is breathtaking, but yet somehow comical. It’s very much the product of its time, but still conveys the basic and lamentable ugliness of the person who wrote it. If the writer were alive today, you’d feel compelled to help him find his way back to the care center from which he has obviously wandered off.

You sigh. This person is your ancestor, and while you bear no responsibility for his assholism, you understand genetics and heredity well enough to know that some tiny portion of that fool is a part of you.

Can’t choose your ancestors I guess but what one can hope for is that Ben’s descendants aren’t as boneheaded as he.

315 Mattand  Sep 22, 2014 9:01:17am

Cut. In. Freaking. HALF.

Yet the GOP is poised to take over both houses of Congress. This is why I have no faith in American voters.

316 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 9:01:45am

Hmmmm…

After more than a thousand migrant workers have died on the job, tens of thousands more treated like crap and live in virtual indentured servitude in building soccer facilities in Qatar, the FIFA folks that awarded Qatar the 2022 games is finally realizing that it was a bad idea to have them host it in the summer time when temperatures soar well past 100 degrees for weeks at a time?

So, they’ll have built the facilities and the lives are lost - and for what? A sporting venue that may never get used at all, let alone not be used past the events for which they were designed and built in the first place.

What a clusterfuck.

317 HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2014 9:03:34am

re: #315 Mattand

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Cut. In. Freaking. HALF.

Yet the GOP is poised to take over both houses of Congress. This is why I have no faith in American voters.

Yep.

318 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 9:04:04am

re: #315 Mattand

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Cut. In. Freaking. HALF.

Yet the GOP is poised to take over both houses of Congress. This is why I have no faith in American voters.

We can’t lay the entire issue at the feet of the voters. When you’re constantly lied to and journalists like Todd don’t believe that their job is to inform the public, we’re totally and completely screwed. People like us keep up on all things political, the majority of voters do not. They see lies in a barrage of advertisements prior to elections and they are scared out of their wits because of it.

319 Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2014 9:04:46am

re: #308 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

You sigh. This person is your ancestor, and while you bear no responsibility for his assholism, you understand genetics and heredity well enough to know that some tiny portion of that fool is a part of you.

In the case of my recently deceased father I don’t even need to go back that far.

I just tell myself, “Genetics implies. It does not compel.”

320 Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2014 9:06:02am

So, the new Chairman of NATO’s Military Committee will be the current Czech military chief-of-staff General Petr Pavel.

General Petr Pavel, aka “Impossibly Photogenic General”

ceskenoviny.cz

en.wikipedia.org

321 HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2014 9:06:05am

re: #318 WhatEVs

We can’t lay the entire issue at the feet of the voters. When you’re constantly lied to and journalists like Todd don’t believe that their job is to inform the public, we’re totally and completely screwed. People like us keep up on all things political, the majority of voters do not. They see lies in a barrage of advertisements prior to elections and they are scared out of their wits because of it.

Yes, there is that too but I do blame the voters to some degree. They are the ones who claim to be dissatisfied with the Republicans in Congress yet as Matt says, there’s a good chance that come November that the GOP could have a majority in both houses.

322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2014 9:06:06am

re: #316 lawhawk

Hmmmm…

[Embedded content]

After more than a thousand migrant workers have died on the job, tens of thousands more treated like crap and live in virtual indentured servitude in building soccer facilities in Qatar, the FIFA folks that awarded Qatar the 2022 games is finally realizing that it was a bad idea to have them host it in the summer time when temperatures soar well past 100 degrees for weeks at a time?

So, they’ll have built the facilities and the lives are lost - and for what? A sporting venue that will likely not be used past the events for which they were spent in the first place.

What a clusterfuck.

The 2018 World Cup is to be hosted by Russia…

323 Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2014 9:07:14am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

So, the new Chairman of NATO’s Military Committee will be the current Czech military chief-of-staff General Petr Pavel.

General Petr Pavel, aka “Impossibly Photogenic General”

ceskenoviny.cz

en.wikipedia.org

A general with a goatee? Outrageous!

/

324 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 9:07:31am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

So, the new Chairman of NATO’s Military Committee will be the current Czech military chief-of-staff General Petr Pavel.

General Petr Pavel, aka “Impossibly Photogenic General”

ceskenoviny.cz

en.wikipedia.org

Heh, both apostles at once.

325 Lidane  Sep 22, 2014 9:07:58am
326 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 9:08:08am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And it’s widely believed that Qatar and Russia helped the other get their respective bids, even though there were serious questions about the ability to host them.

327 HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2014 9:08:14am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

So, the new Chairman of NATO’s Military Committee will be the current Czech military chief-of-staff General Petr Pavel.

General Petr Pavel, aka “Impossibly Photogenic General”

ceskenoviny.cz

en.wikipedia.org

Muslim Brotherhood member.// Facial hair eleventy o’clock!

328 Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2014 9:11:49am

re: #325 Lidane

*headdesk*

Far-Right Activist: ISIS Part Of The ‘Homosexual Agenda’

That sounds like one of the most serious cases of cranial-rectal inversion I’ve ever heard of.

*headdesk* indeed.

329 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 9:12:12am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Yes, there is that too but I do blame the voters to some degree. They are the ones who claim to be dissatisfied with the Republicans in Congress yet as Matt says, there’s a good chance that come November that the GOP could have a majority in both houses.

I agree. People don’t take responsibility enough (look at 3% turnout in the primary). The problem is that elected officials is becoming more of a popularity contest than anything else. Since when do we want the average guy (Joe the Plumber or Sarah Palin) drafting laws? Since when was it a good thing to vote in a complete moron who can barely follow laws let alone write them?

Name recognition is celebrity. Celebrities do not follow normal reason. And then there’s what I call the FDR factor. Would someone who couldn’t walk well or in a wheelchair be elected POTUS today? I doubt it. Imagine FDR, a Dem, in today’s political arena. He would not be a manly man…he can’t even do the Easter egg hunt! He isn’t healthy enough to be POTUS. He’s too old. He’s too…too…too…Democrap.

330 Bulworth  Sep 22, 2014 9:12:32am

re:
#315

Yet the GOP is poised to take over both houses of Congress. This is why I have no faith in American voters.

Amazing thing is it could have been much worse already.

Crazy Witchy lady Christine O’Donnell beating mainstream GOPer in Delaware Senate primary, Palin’s crazy Missouri Senate candidate “women’s lady parts have a way of just shutting the pregnancy down if raped”, etc. Having a couple of other super wingnutty GOP Senate candidates the past couple cycles.

331 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 9:12:33am

Why do I get the feeling Cameron is toast come next election.

332 HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2014 9:14:04am

re: #329 WhatEVs

I agree. People don’t take responsibility enough (look at 3% turnout in the primary). The problem is that elected officials is becoming more of a popularity contest than anything else. Since when do we want the average guy (Joe the Plumber or Sarah Palin) drafting laws? Since when was it a good thing to vote in a complete moron who can barely follow laws let alone write them?

Name recognition is celebrity. Celebrities do not follow normal reason. And then there’s what I call the FDR factor. Would someone who couldn’t walk well or in a wheelchair be elected POTUS today? I doubt it. Imagine FDR, a Dem, in today’s political arena. He would not be a manly man…he can’t even do the Easter egg hunt! He isn’t healthy enough to be POTUS. He’s too old. He’s too…too…too…Democrap.

Absolutely. Great point about FDR too.

333 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 9:15:34am
334 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 9:15:42am

re: #331 Bubblehead II

Why do I get the feeling Cameron is toast come next election.

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I am surprised that he would fare well Scotland or not. The austerity they implemented did the UK no favors.

335 Bulworth  Sep 22, 2014 9:15:53am

re:
#325

Or is the homosectual agenda part of the ISIS agenda?

//

336 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 9:17:30am

re: #335 Bulworth

re:
#325

Or is the homosectual agenda part of the ISIS agenda?

//

Their agenda is certainly heterosectarian.

337 Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2014 9:17:44am

re: #331 Bubblehead II

Why do I get the feeling Cameron is toast come next election.

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You’re not the only one who’s come to that conclusion. I don’t know about Milliband, the current leader of the Labour Party. He doesn’t exactly come across as much, at least in my opinion.

But in any event, yeah, I think the Tories are toast next year, and that’s likely gonna be because UKIP will split the vote on the right, leading to a Labour victory. Simple electoral math.

338 Bear  Sep 22, 2014 9:19:16am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

I believe that the media of those days made great effort to not show FDR in a wheel chair.

339 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 9:20:24am

Youtube Video

340 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 9:20:49am

I don’t remember which one of you turned me on to this huffingtonpsst.com but THANK YOU.

I don’t know how they get away with that without Arianna Huffington suing them.

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 22, 2014 9:22:09am

re: #338 Bear

I believe that the media of those days made great effort to not show FDR in a wheel chair.

And FDR and his staff took steps to avoid it. He was capable (at least in the 1930’s) of standing and walking a few steps on his own since that was specifically done at one of the party conventions at that time.

Beyond that it was mainly controlling access and having FDR already seated at a desk when the visitors arrived.

342 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 9:22:36am

re: #338 Bear

I believe that the media of those days made great effort to not show FDR in a wheel chair.

They did. But then isn’t now. Now, every 5 year old with daddy’s iPhone can snap pics or vids. And could you imagine the outrage if there were no pictures of our POTUS doing manly man stuff?

343 HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2014 9:24:38am

re: #341 Feline Fearless Leader

And FDR and his staff took steps to avoid it. He was capable (at least in the 1930’s) of standing and walking a few steps on his own since that was specifically done at one of the party conventions at that time.

Beyond that it was mainly controlling access and having FDR already seated at a desk when the visitors arrived.

They’ve covered that in the Burns documentary. It would have been a lot harder if not impossible to get away with it now. I’ve come away watching the Burns documentary having even more admiration for Roosevelt than before. I’ve always been an admirer and he played a big role in why my family on both sides became Democrats but the Burns documentary convinced me especially about his leadership in the years leading up to WWII that he belongs in the top 3 of presidents easily.

344 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 9:26:04am

re: #334 WhatEVs
re: #337 Dr Lizardo

Don’t really follow UK politics, but with the Scottish vote and all the promises made to them I have been trying to pay a bit more attention.

345 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 9:29:53am

re: #339 lawhawk

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I found it and turned the ammo, guns and 50 bricks of pot in to the local authorities.

346 Ace-o-aces  Sep 22, 2014 9:31:33am

re: #309 Bubblehead II

He’s practicably begging them to.

Blogger says he’s defying AG Hood’s subpoena

347 sagehen  Sep 22, 2014 9:33:23am

re: #126 ausador

Cool, wonder who it was that rated a larger tomb than Alexander’s father?

[Embedded content]

Alexander’s boyfriend?

348 WhatEVs  Sep 22, 2014 9:57:26am

re: #344 Bubblehead II

Don’t really follow UK politics, but with the Scottish vote and all the promises made to them I have been trying to pay a bit more attention.

If the hard-core nationalists who are against giving Scotland more say over their own affairs win out, Scotland is going to have another vote and they will wind up wining freedom because of all the things iceweasal has touched on. And from what has been said, giving Scotland more autonomy is something the UK Parliament doesn’t want…its not going to end the way the UK wants.

349 lostlakehiker  Sep 22, 2014 10:27:19am

re: #60 teleskiguy

Color me shocked!

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15/15…though I wouldn’t have bet the ranch on a couple of my answers.


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DHS Public Database Includes Personal Information of Abuse Victims The Trump administration's effort to highlight crimes committed by undocumented immigrants has become a nightmare for immigrant victims of abuse, with the personal information of undocumented victims appearing in a publicly searchable database launched last month by the Department ...
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Heroes - King Crimson Live in Berlin "King Crimson performed Heroes at the Admiralspalast in Berlin as a celebration, a remembrancing and an homage. The concert was thirty nine years and one month after the original sessions at the Hansa Tonstudio overlooking the Berlin Wall. This ...
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President John F. Kennedy’s Civil Rights Address c-span.org I'm old enough that I actually remember watching this live on TV. At the time, I knew even at the tender age of 11 (to be age 12 before the month was out, and my entire world view ...
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Deluxe Cheesecake Recipe - NYT Cooking Ingredients For the crust 1 cup flour (120 grams) ¼ teaspoon sugar 1 teaspoon grated lemon zest ½ cup (1 stick) butter (113 grams), chilled and cubed 1 egg yolk, lightly beaten ¼ teaspoon vanilla For the filling 5 ...
The Vicious Babushka
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Norah Jones - Black Hole Sun (Detroit Fox Theatre 5.23.17)Norah paid tribute to Chris Cornell at Detroit’s Fox Theatre with ‘Black Hole Sun.’ Filmed by: Ed Davis
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GAME of THRONES Season 7 Trailer (2017)Here is the first Trailer for Game of Thrones Season 7
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