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1 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 5:15:16pm
2 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 5:18:05pm
3 Great White Snark  May 4, 2015 5:18:26pm
4 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 5:18:47pm
5 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 5:23:54pm

They are connecting Geller & Spencer to Breivik on CNN right now.

6 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 5:23:57pm

Thanks for the Foo Fighters tonight, Charles. It’s a good break from Geller all day. I’ve done what I could to oppose her spawn at NPR and right now some rock from one of the best damn bands in the biz helps a lot.

Make me want a Chris Shiflett Telecaster Deluxe though ;D

7 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 5:25:11pm
8 Justanotherhuman  May 4, 2015 5:28:58pm

Later, Lizards!

9 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 5:32:39pm

Had a very strange cinematic dream last night. I was riding a horse on a beach on a summer day, and the sky suddenly turned dark and the ocean waves started getting higher and higher, crashing on the beach. Then the water started freezing as the waves were breaking, creating these huge ice mountains towering over the beach. I was spurring the horse to ride faster and faster, trying to outrun this bizarre icy ocean, and suddenly saw a staircase leading up a cliff away from the beach. I jumped off the horse and sort of floated up the stairs, and found myself in a neighborhood of Japanese-style houses, packed tightly together.

It went on from there, but got murkier and harder to remember. I woke up and just laid there thinking, “Woah.”

10 Decatur Deb  May 4, 2015 5:36:08pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Did this somehow involve new improved feminine hygiene products?

11 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2015 5:37:17pm
12 HappyWarrior  May 4, 2015 5:38:35pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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Absolutely and it’s not supporting Islamic terrorism to call that hatred out. Yes, Geller and Spencer do have the right of free speech but we have the right of free speech to call them hateful bigots who spread insidious lies about Muslims.

13 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 5:41:34pm
14 A Cranky One  May 4, 2015 5:42:49pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

For some strange reason I’ve got The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway going through my head now.

15 HappyWarrior  May 4, 2015 5:43:40pm

If one wants to know how much Geller and Spencer really value free speech, one only needs to look at their Euro fascist allies. Pam and Spence are willing to team up with anyone including outright Neo-Nazis that opposes rights for Muslims in Western society. This woman is no different from the LePens, Haiders, Griffins, etc that have played a heavy role in Eurofascism.

16 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 5:48:22pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Had a very strange cinematic dream last night. I was riding a horse on a beach on a summer day, and the sky suddenly turned dark and the ocean waves started getting higher and higher, crashing on the beach. Then the water started freezing as the waves were breaking, creating these huge ice mountains towering over the beach. I was spurring the horse to ride faster and faster, trying to outrun this bizarre icy ocean, and suddenly saw a staircase leading up a cliff away from the beach. I jumped off the horse and sort of floated up the stairs, and found myself in a neighborhood of Japanese-style houses, packed tightly together.

It went on from there, but got murkier and harder to remember. I woke up and just laid there thinking, “Woah.”

Huge surf right now, tomorrow in OC 12’ (hopefully)

You ended up in Little Saigon.

Just my interpretation.

17 RadicalModerate  May 4, 2015 5:50:41pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

If one wants to know how much Geller and Spencer really value free speech, one only needs to look at their Euro fascist allies. Pam and Spence are willing to team up with anyone including outright Neo-Nazis that opposes rights for Muslims in Western society. This woman is no different from the LePens, Haiders, Griffins, etc that have played a heavy role in Eurofascism.

Speaking of this, why hasn’t the fact that a genuine European fascist was Geller’s guest of honor at the Garland, TX event, namely Geert Wilders?

18 HappyWarrior  May 4, 2015 5:52:11pm

re: #17 RadicalModerate

Speaking of this, why hasn’t the fact that a genuine European fascist was Geller’s guest of honor at the Garland, TX event, namely Geert Wilders.

I have no idea. But the ties Geller and Spencer have to European fascism need to be talked about. That these aren’t exactly peaceful people.

19 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 5:53:33pm
20 Jenner7  May 4, 2015 5:54:41pm
21 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 5:56:58pm

Stanley Sea’s nightly post a thon!!

Who watches Mad Men? Who missed my post from this morning?

Peggy for the win

(was waiting for Octopus pleasuring woman to trend, alas)

22 HappyWarrior  May 4, 2015 5:57:47pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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Says the guy who went to the JFK assassination museum posing with the rifle like he killed Kennedy.

23 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2015 6:00:46pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I have no idea. But the ties Geller and Spencer have to European fascism need to be talked about. That these aren’t exactly peaceful people.

We’ve covered plenty of Geert Wilders here before. The fact that people still downplay his incredibly disturbing connections and associations still amazes me.

24 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 6:01:49pm
25 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2015 6:03:16pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Not to mention that he tweeted that he was planning something big for her commencement.
I’m sure Columbia will definitely not be pleased with a disruption there.

26 HappyWarrior  May 4, 2015 6:04:43pm

re: #23 thedopefishlives

We’ve covered plenty of Geert Wilders here before. The fact that people still downplay his incredibly disturbing connections and associations still amazes me.

I think we sometimes don’t realize is how widespread and how nasty the hatred towards Muslims really is in parts of this country. So, sadly it doesn’t surprise me that people will overlook Pam associating with someone like Willders.

27 RealityBasedSteve  May 4, 2015 6:04:47pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Haven’t met a dog yet that could drive a stick shift. /True

28 stpaulbear  May 4, 2015 6:05:00pm

Not a big Foo Fighter’s fan. Grohl started out as part of something really special, but after a couple FF albums, he figured out how to make catchy corporate garage pop that could sell like crazy, and he hasn’t varied from the formula since.

There’s not a millisecond of anything out of place in that video other than Grohl’s hair, and the audience looks too old and placated to handle anything raw anyways.

I hate everything. Excuse me while I put a Parquet Courts LP on…

29 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 6:06:00pm

And, I experienced the psyche of an office today when I gave my notice.

Stunned silence with basic platitudes (manager) I was quick, sweet and out the door
Sadness and super cool praise from the salesperson I work with the most
You’re kidding? from my partner, the dude who calls in sick every 4 days =loser
Silence from the other 5 salespeople who are wondering about their estimates.
One of the women had tears, we love your quirks! I’m like, who am I gonna quirk now?????
Owner of Co, correct, nice email.
My best work friend who knew about it all - watching intensely.

All good.

Onward !11ty!!

30 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2015 6:06:43pm

re: #29 #FergusonFireside

And, I experienced the psyche of an office today when I gave my notice.

Stunned silence with basic platitudes (manager) I was quick, sweet and out the door
Sadness and super cool praise from the salesperson I work with the most
You’re kidding? from my partner, the dude who calls in sick every 4 days =loser
Silence from the other 5 salespeople who are wondering about their estimates.
One of the women had tears, we love your quirks! I’m like, who am I gonna quirk now?????
Owner of Co, correct, nice email.
My best work friend who knew about it all - watching intensely.

All good.

Onward !11ty!!

Life marches on. Good luck to you.

31 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 6:07:16pm

Don’t know, but if I’m going to be nostalgic over_anything_ from the 60’s it’s the Velvet Underground. This, I believe, is from the Paris concerts in 1993 which means this is the last time they played this as the whole original band. It is arguably the best version they ever set down. Be sure to be amazed at Mo’s drumming style…

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32 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2015 6:07:37pm

niterz, all!

33 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 4, 2015 6:08:05pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I have no idea. But the ties Geller and Spencer have to European fascism need to be talked about. That these aren’t exactly peaceful people.

There’s a thread on Jalopnik with the Garland SWAT team posing for a photo with Wilders.

This Is Who Would Have Met The Garland Gunman If They Made It Inside

34 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 6:08:38pm

re: #28 stpaulbear

Not a big Foo Fighter’s fan. Grohl started out as part of something really special, but after a couple FF albums, he figured out how to make catchy corporate garage pop that could sell like crazy, and he hasn’t varied from the formula since.

There’s not a millisecond of anything out of place in that video other than Grohl’s hair, and the audience looks too old and placated to handle anything raw anyways.

I hate everything. Excuse me while I put a Parquet Courts LP on…

What! SIR! I challenge you to a duel. Telecasters & Marshal Full Stacks at 10 paces!

35 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 6:09:10pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

Life marches on. Good luck to you.

Ya know, there’s a study about how you check out when you give your notice. I’m not going to read it, I’m going to experience it. And I hope overcome it. Tres difficile.

36 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 6:12:06pm

If you are inclined, watch Anderson Cooper on CNN. Forum on the police.

37 stpaulbear  May 4, 2015 6:15:14pm

re: #34 William Lewis

What! SIR! I challenge you to a duel. Telecasters & Marshal Full Stacks at 10 paces!

I was a drummer and I already have permanent tinnitus, so I’ll have to concede in advance. I still have my drums but I had to quit playing.

38 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 6:16:00pm

re: #31 William Lewis

Don’t know, but if I’m going to be nostalgic over_anything_ from the 60’s it’s the Velvet Underground. This, I believe, is from the Paris concerts in 1993 which means this is the last time they played this as the whole original band. It is arguably the best version they ever set down. Be sure to be amazed at Mo’s drumming style…

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I’ll hit play, but I already have the song in my head just from seeing the post.

39 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 6:16:32pm

Ah, turn on Anderson Cooper ya’ll.

40 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2015 6:16:32pm

re: #37 stpaulbear

I was a drummer and I already have permanent tinnitus, so I’ll have to concede in advance. I still have my drums but I had to quit playing.

I mix sound for our church band now. One of our other sound guys came up to me after a service and told me, “You used to be a drummer, didn’t you?” I asked him how he knew. He said, “You always make the drums sound so much better than the rest of us do, so I just kinda guessed.”

41 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2015 6:18:24pm

If any of you lizards live in Arkansas… O_O

Also, leaving this here for Sergey:

42 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 6:20:36pm

re: #37 stpaulbear

Had I known that history, I’d have found a different way to joke about our difference of opinion.

43 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2015 6:20:51pm

re: #35 #FergusonFireside

Best of luck with the new job.

Later, lizards.

44 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 6:22:48pm

re: #38 #FergusonFireside

I’ll hit play, but I already have the song in my head just from seeing the post.

( smiles ) I always love listening to Lou. He reminds me that being a good rhythm player is far harder than lead/solo in rock and makes me practice that far more.

45 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 6:24:33pm

re: #41 CuriousLurker

Nice fishy. Sit!

46 stpaulbear  May 4, 2015 6:24:52pm

re: #42 William Lewis

S’ok. I should have gone along with the joke.

I’m in kind of a pissy mood this evening. I should just lurk instead…

47 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 6:27:05pm

re: #46 stpaulbear

S’ok. I should have gone along with the joke.

I’m in kind of a pissy mood this evening. I should just lurk instead…

If you wish, but if not, I won’t mind. You always offer good things to the blog in your comments.

48 thedopefishlives  May 4, 2015 6:30:02pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Nice fishy. Sit!

SWIM, SWIM, HUNGRY…

/Oh wait, not me

49 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2015 6:33:05pm

re: #41 CuriousLurker

Okay, had to come back because I forgot to tell you guys something in case you have Amazon Prime. I watched a documentary last night about trappers who live in Siberia. It was pretty interesting.

Happy People: A Year in the Taiga

Deep in the Siberian wilderness, a mere 300 people inhabit the village of Bakhtia. It can only be reached in two ways: boat and helicopter. Co-directed by Werner Herzog, Happy People tells the incredible story of a society untouched by modernity.

CL Really leaving now….

50 Lidane  May 4, 2015 6:47:30pm

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51 bratwurst  May 4, 2015 6:52:23pm

Pass mustard?

52 RealityBasedSteve  May 4, 2015 6:53:57pm

re: #41 CuriousLurker

If any of you lizards live in Arkansas… O_O

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Watch him take this piece of chicken from between my lips…..

RBS

53 Eventual Carrion  May 4, 2015 6:54:22pm

re: #51 bratwurst

Pass mustard?

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It’s a gas that is truly SBD.

54 The Pie Mother  May 4, 2015 6:54:34pm

re: #51 bratwurst

Pass mustard?

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Whut, they put ketchup on their hot dogs? That’s just gross.

55 stpaulbear  May 4, 2015 6:54:49pm

re: #51 bratwurst

Pass mustard?

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Well at least he didn’t agree that they don’t cut the cheese…

56 electrotek  May 4, 2015 6:55:38pm

Alright so who is this Bosch Fawstin dude? Some say he was a former Muslim, so was he a former poster here? And what’s his story on embracing anti-Muslim extremism?

57 The Pie Mother  May 4, 2015 6:56:41pm

re: #56 electrotek

Alright so who is this Bosch Fawstin dude? Some say he was a former Muslim, so was he a former poster here? And what’s his story on embracing anti-Muslim extremism?

Just another Euro-fascist

58 electrotek  May 4, 2015 6:58:45pm

re: #57 Lord Of The Pies

Just another Euro-fascist

Just did some quick digging. He’s of Albanian descent? Does he not realize that his counter-jihadi heroes don’t really like Albanians to begin with, especially Breivik. Talk about self-hatred.

59 Lidane  May 4, 2015 6:59:50pm

re: #51 bratwurst

Pass mustard?

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Let’s be honest. Mustard’s a bit of a douche:

60 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 7:00:14pm
61 The Pie Mother  May 4, 2015 7:02:14pm

Trump’s Twitter has been hacked.

62 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 7:10:53pm

Geller dissed Donald’s most recent wife.

Who the fuck knows, but I bet you 100 it’s personal.

63 Kragar  May 4, 2015 7:13:34pm

re: #61 Lord Of The Pies

Seems very likely

64 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 7:14:15pm

re: #63 Kragar

Seems very likely

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hacked du jour

65 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2015 7:14:39pm

re: #33 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

There’s a thread on Jalopnik with the Garland SWAT team posing for a photo with Wilders.

This Is Who Would Have Met The Garland Gunman If They Made It Inside

As far as the two ISIS terrorists were concerned, that event was a deathtrap: Their chances of actually reaching Geller and Wilders were effectively zero. And the Garland PD’s security plan shows a critical maxim in terms of countering-terrorism: “The enemy surprise attack you effectively plan and train to counter isn’t a surprise at all.”

66 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 7:14:49pm

LOL fine.

67 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 4, 2015 7:17:49pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

As far as the two ISIS terrorists were concerned, that event was a deathtrap: Their chances of actually reaching Geller and Wilders were effectively zero. And the Garland PD’s security plan shows a critical maxim in terms of countering-terrorism: “The enemy surprise attack you effectively plan and train to counter isn’t a surprise at all.”

Are they really affiliated with ISIS, or is this one of those “grab all the fish in the river” things?

68 danarchy  May 4, 2015 7:24:45pm

re: #61 Lord Of The Pies

Trump’s Twitter has been hacked.

I saw him saying the essentially the same thing on some morning show this morning, so I am pretty sure not hacked.

69 stpaulbear  May 4, 2015 7:27:01pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

As far as the two ISIS terrorists were concerned, that event was a deathtrap: Their chances of actually reaching Geller and Wilders were effectively zero. And the Garland PD’s security plan shows a critical maxim in terms of countering-terrorism: “The enemy surprise attack you effectively plan and train to counter isn’t a surprise at all.”

Umm, the first cop they ran into was a traffic cop with a pistol who managed to take them both out. The high-test swat teams wound up babysitting a bunch of religious bigots.

70 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 7:28:19pm
71 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2015 7:30:29pm

re: #67 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Are they really affiliated with ISIS, or is this one of those “grab all the fish in the river” things?

The leader of the two, Elton Simpson, pledged loyalty to ISIS before carrying out his attack. He even posted the hashtag ‘texasattack’ that he hoped would be used while he and his cohort were murdering people.

So we can call them ‘ISIS-inspired’ if you’d prefer, but like the terrorist who hit the Jewish Grocery store during the manhunt aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo attack, these scum clearly saw their murderous deeds as being in furtherance of the goals of ISIS, and the so-called ‘Islamic State’ embraced the scumbag in January. i don’t know if they’ve said anything in support of these latest two slimeballs.

72 Belafon  May 4, 2015 7:31:42pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Speaking of white supremacists (though I used ancestor instead of descendant, everyone got it):

Edit: Not quote sure how the dates are working. My comment is older than his.

73 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2015 7:31:44pm

re: #69 stpaulbear

Umm, the first cop they ran into was a traffic cop with a pistol who managed to take them both out. The high-test swat teams wound up babysitting a bunch of religious bigots.

I’m glad they weren’t needed, but its better to have layers of security you don’t need that to need layers of security you don’t have.

74 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 4, 2015 7:32:09pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

The leader of the two, Elton Simpson, pledged loyalty to ISIS before carrying out his attack. He even posted the hashtag ‘texasattack’ that he hoped would be used while he and his cohort were murdering people.

So we can call them ‘ISIS-inspired’ if you’d prefer, but like the terrorist who hit the Jewish Grocery store during the manhunt aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo attack, these scum clearly saw their murderous deeds as being in furtherance of the goals of ISIS, and the so-called ‘Islamic State’ embraced the scumbag in January. i don’t know if they’ve said anything in support of these latest two slimeballs.

Fair enough. I know there are enough nutballs swirling around there that it’s not a clear line.

75 Kragar  May 4, 2015 7:33:01pm

re: #51 bratwurst

Pass mustard?

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Reminds me of this:

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76 ipsos  May 4, 2015 7:34:56pm

If I intended to talk politics on FB, I’d have posted something political, not something about David Letterman. Sheesh…

Also, I NEVER talk politics on FB.

77 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 7:35:00pm

Dark, I typed 3 responses to your 65. Deleted.

78 Great White Snark  May 4, 2015 7:35:10pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

I’m glad they weren’t needed, but its better to have layers of security you don’t need that to need layers of security you don’t have.

One guy with a pistol got it done. Gotta wonder where he trained.

79 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2015 7:35:15pm

re: #67 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Are they really affiliated with ISIS, or is this one of those “grab all the fish in the river” things?

I was just sitting here wondering the same thing. IMO, calling them “ISIS terrorists” gives them a higher status (in their jihadi world) than they deserve. Watching a few ISIS videos on YouTube & tweeting about how awesome you think they are doesn’t qualify as being anything more than ISIS-inspired. They were a couple of lowlife losers, criminals, nothing more.

Giving them such designations is free advertising for groups like ISIS & Boko Haram, and all the attention may very well appear glamorous to others who might have similar inclinations. America really needs to start being smarter about handling this crap.

For the media it’s all about clickbait & sound bites in a 24-hour news cycle—and they get away with it because the public rewards them for it, the same way they eat up the stupid “reality” shows. It’s disgusting and embarrassing.

80 Great White Snark  May 4, 2015 7:39:00pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

I think the way to say it might be “self declared” or “claim to be”. That way we include the thin facts with the state of information we have at this time.

81 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 7:39:13pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

I was just sitting here wondering the same thing. IMO, calling them “ISIS terrorists” gives them a higher status (in their jihadi world) than they deserve. Watching a few ISIS videos on YouTube & tweeting about how awesome you think they are doesn’t qualify as being anything more than ISIS-inspired. They were a couple of lowlife losers, criminals, nothing more.

Giving them such designations is free advertising for groups like ISIS & Boko Haram, and all the attention may very well appear glamorous to others who might have similar inclinations. America really needs to start being smarter about handling this crap.

For the media it’s all about clickbait & sound bites in a 24-hour news cycle—and they get away with it because the public rewards them for it, the same way they eat up the stupid “reality” shows. It’s disgusting and embarrassing.

It falls right into the pitiful American fear since 911.

So obvious, and so weak.

82 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 7:40:37pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

I was just sitting here wondering the same thing. IMO, calling them “ISIS terrorists” gives them a higher status (in their jihadi world) than they deserve. Watching a few ISIS videos on YouTube & tweeting about how awesome you think they are doesn’t qualify as being anything more than ISIS-inspired. They were a couple of lowlife losers, criminals, nothing more.

Giving them such designations is free advertising for groups like ISIS & Boko Haram, and all the attention may very well appear glamorous to others who might have similar inclinations. America really needs to start being smarter about handling this crap.

For the media it’s all about clickbait & sound bites in a 24-hour news cycle—and they get away with it because the public rewards them for it, the same way they eat up the stupid “reality” shows. It’s disgusting and embarrassing.

Oh and fucking bravo this comment in full. (I responded to the ISIS IS HERE IN AMERICA bs.)

83 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 4, 2015 7:41:43pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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I noticed he’s praising Derbyshire’s essays.

84 stpaulbear  May 4, 2015 7:43:39pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

I’m glad they weren’t needed, but its better to have layers of security you don’t need that to need layers of security you don’t have.

And I guess the point I wanted to make is that it’s not great to romanticize the militarization of the police force to the point that we need to provide overwhelming protection for every event. This TX event had hired on extra protection because they knew they were being provocotive assholes, but when you look at the shit that’s going on in Baltimore, we’re not talking democracy any more. More security is sometimes a lot more dangerous than less (ie: Kent State 40 years ago today).

85 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2015 7:43:48pm

re: #80 Great White Snark

I think the way to say it might be “self declared” or “claim to be”. That way we include the thin facts with the state of information we have at this time.

Yeah, I mean it’s my understanding that the one guy (the first one whose name was released—can’t think of it at the moment) wanted to go to Somalia to join up with al-Shabab or whoever, but never got there.

I haven’t heard anything about the second guy, something Soofi, having gone overseas where he might have received actual training.

86 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 4, 2015 7:45:01pm

I’ve updated the CCJ Dossier with his latest revelations.

87 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 7:46:20pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Yet without Geller & Spencer, they’d still be thrashing around unable to figure out what to do. Geller is as evil as they are. Period.

88 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 7:47:46pm

re: #78 Great White Snark

Did he? I don’t trust any of the stories out of this mess and probably won’t for months.

89 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2015 7:48:32pm

re: #77 #FergusonFireside

Dark, I typed 3 responses to your 65. Deleted.

Stanley, I despise Geller and Wilders quite throughly, and they fact that those two jackals and their hyena friend Robert Spencer are feel vindicated by this failed terrorist attack bothers me, it bothers me a good deal.

I’ll admit that my being pleased with how good preparations and an alert and very capable police officer stopped the terrorists is on some levels me avoiding the negative feelings I have about Geller et al., but on other, more important levels I think I’m not wrong to be pleased:

The two terrorists were killed, and no one else was severely wounded. The security plan put in place worked and in the aftermath of the attack the police showed good discipline and procedure in dealing with the possible threat of IEDs (a threat the turned out not to exist, but the police were right to act as if it did). The police did their duty well, and the terrorists were vanquished. I wish that damn event had never taken place, but I’m glad those who wanted it to end in mass murder were defeated.

90 Great White Snark  May 4, 2015 7:49:26pm

re: #88 William Lewis

FWIW-My source.

A traffic officer working after-hours as security for the event and armed only with a service pistol killed both men, who were wearing body armor and carrying assault rifles, Garland Police Department spokesman Joe Harn told reporters Monday.
cnn.com

91 Thanos  May 4, 2015 7:50:59pm

What will be interesting is to see if any of the GOP contenders attempt to cozy up to Geller to exploit this. Let’s watch the next few days.

92 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2015 7:53:03pm

re: #90 Great White Snark

FWIW-My source.

Which is truly remarkable if true (I think it is, but I need to include the caveat). One man with a pistol normally does not win against to men with rifles, so this police officer is literally The Man Who Brought a Pistol to a Rifle Fight and Won. That’s the kind of feat of arms legends are made of, which is why it needs to be confirmed.

93 Kragar  May 4, 2015 7:54:39pm

I just learned this show exists and I demand to know why you all hid it from me:

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94 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 7:54:46pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

DF the “preparations” only happened because Geller & co were intentionally provoking this kind of response. There is nothing good about it because it was built by evil to support evil. I don’t know if you can see that from your place in this world; I pray that you can. There is nothing touched by Geller that is in anyway shape or form other than evil. If two people died you can bet that she was trying to make dozens die.

Sometimes it really is that simple. The Lord said that by their fruits you shall know them; that works both ways and Geller’s fruits are pure evil. The rest of us must spend every day of our lives fighting against these kind of scum.

95 Great White Snark  May 4, 2015 7:55:32pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

I think the possibility has real merit given the pretty good odds it was the trained vs the inept or untrained.

96 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2015 7:55:55pm

re: #91 Thanos

What will be interesting is to see if any of the GOP contenders attempt to cozy up to Geller to exploit this. Let’s watch the next few days.

I’m dreading it. I hope none of them are so stupid or have such huge egos that they believe they can play with fire and not get burned. Look what happened with McCain & Palin—the shit that woman stirred up was beyond ugly.

97 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 7:57:03pm

re: #90 Great White Snark

FWIW-My source.

See, I find several things in that statement hard to reconcile: service weapon, body armor and two bad guys dead and only one lightly wounded (other) good guy.

This “story” stinks to high heaven at this point.

98 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 7:58:01pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Which is _exactly_ why I refuse to believe it at this point. “Too Good To Be True” is the phrase that comes to mind.

99 CuriousLurker  May 4, 2015 7:58:49pm

Okay, I need to get some shut-eye. TTYL.

100 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 4, 2015 7:59:15pm

re: #98 William Lewis

Did you lose the Barnett? Or am I insane?

101 Varek Raith  May 4, 2015 7:59:47pm
102 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2015 8:01:20pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

One man with a pistol normally does not win against to men with rifles, so this police officer is literally The Man Who Brought a Pistol to a Rifle Fight and Won.

They weren’t shooting at him.

That’s the kind of feat of arms legends are made of, which is why it needs to be confirmed.

Seriously, could you maybe not do this right now. It’s gross and lame. A cop got the drop one two inept douche-bags who only managed to wing the unarmed target they were actually aiming at.

103 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 8:02:07pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

My only rebuttal at this point is you need to tone down the fear mongering ISIS is in America part of your post.

There is a huge population, suspect to fear. You do well for the calm conservative to not feed it.

104 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 8:02:38pm

re: #100 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Did you lose the Barnett? Or am I insane?

Barnett, much as I honor the name, was my ex-wife’s family name. Our divorce decree said that we were allowed to take over our pre-marriage names so this was one step in my slow return to being the

William Andrew Lewis III

that is on my birth certificate.

I would prefer not to change my name but such is life…

105 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 8:02:51pm

re: #91 Thanos

What will be interesting is to see if any of the GOP contenders attempt to cozy up to Geller to exploit this. Let’s watch the next few days.

Oh yeah.

My common sense doubts it.

But..

106 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 4, 2015 8:03:50pm

re: #104 William Lewis

Barnett, much as I honor the name, was my ex-wife’s family name. Our divorce decree said that we were allowed to take over our pre-marriage names so this was one step in my slow return to being the

William Andrew Lewis III

that is on my birth certificate.

I would prefer not to change my name but such is life…

Hey no problem, I was just noticing because I enjoy seeing your comments here, and wanted to make sure it was the same. :)

107 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 8:03:59pm

re: #94 William Lewis

+++++++++++++

108 psddluva4evah  May 4, 2015 8:04:23pm

this is heartbreaking.

the family still hasn’t been able to bury this baby yet.

Tamir Rice’s Body Still Isn’t Buried Because the Criminal Investigation Keeps Dragging On

newrepublic.com

109 prairiefire  May 4, 2015 8:06:13pm

re: #105 #FergusonFireside

I don’t think there will be any loud denouncing of her. Whistling past the graveyard, nothing to see here.

110 palomino  May 4, 2015 8:08:38pm

re: #94 William Lewis

DF the “preparations” only happened because Geller & co were intentionally provoking this kind of response. There is nothing good about it because it was built by evil to support evil. I don’t know if you can see that from your place in this world; I pray that you can. There is nothing touched by Geller that is in anyway shape or form other than evil. If two people died you can bet that she was trying to make dozens die.

Sometimes it really is that simple. The Lord said that by their fruits you shall know them; that works both ways and Geller’s fruits are pure evil. The rest of us must spend every day of our lives fighting against these kind of scum.

Geller and her fellow provocateurs are little different from the Georgia preacher who burns Qurans in public ceremonies during his spare time. They want violent confrontation, as they believe their religions are superior and thus Islam must be defeated, one way or another.

The terrorists in Garland, like the Tsarnaevs in Boston, are horrible indeed. But so are those who crave an apocalyptic religious war between the West and the Middle East, regardless of their religion.

111 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2015 8:09:06pm

re: #103 #FergusonFireside

We could also just say “hey thanks Bush for totally destabilizing the Middle East and creating a perfect incubator for ISIS. Dealing with the aftermath of that has been fucking awesome!”

re: #109 prairiefire

I don’t think there will be any loud denouncing of her. Whistling past the graveyard, nothing to see here.

True, I’m also not seeing any “Je suis crazy alcoholic lady” posts or people changing their Twitter avi to pics of Pam. It must drive her mad that she’s not getting the mileage out of this she thinks she deserves.

112 Great White Snark  May 4, 2015 8:09:33pm

re: #98 William Lewis
re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Well it’s not un named sources. Nor bystanders. It’s a police statement about the incident, so it’s a little above the usual noise and speculation. To me the easy explanation is a well trained guy v un trained. Think pro MMA guy vs a couple big dumb drunks.

113 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2015 8:09:55pm

re: #103 #FergusonFireside

My only rebuttal at this point is you need to tone down the fear mongering ISIS is in America part of your post.

There is a huge population, suspect to fear. You do well for the calm conservative to not feed it.

I’m not fear mongering, I’m just glad for having something I can call a clear win and a case where the cops did their duty clearly and well.

There’s been a lot of cases recently where I’ve had to fault the police and that doesn’t come naturally or easily to me, so in this case I’m glad to be able to do the opposite. I understand complexity, and I know this is a flawed situation, but sometimes I just need to stand up and applaud a job well done. I hope you understand.

114 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 8:10:05pm

re: #109 prairiefire

I don’t think there will be any loud denouncing of her. Whistling past the graveyard, nothing to see here.

A report on CNN did tie her to Breivik. I’m not looking up the spelling of his name, we can deal.

115 stpaulbear  May 4, 2015 8:10:12pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

The two terrorists were killed, and no one else was severely wounded.

I wonder what might have happened if the swat forces indoors had kicked into full offensive mode. How many people who just happened to be walking or driving through the neighborhood would have gotten shaken down or arrested (or shot)? How much of a perimeter would have to be secured before they felt they had things under control?

All this while the conventioneers are screaming “There’s another one! Kill him!!

I’m really glad that the two morons got picked off within seconds or we’d still be scratching out heads wondering what the hell happened in that neighborhood.

116 palomino  May 4, 2015 8:11:36pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Which is truly remarkable if true (I think it is, but I need to include the caveat). One man with a pistol normally does not win against to men with rifles, so this police officer is literally The Man Who Brought a Pistol to a Rifle Fight and Won. That’s the kind of feat of arms legends are made of, which is why it needs to be confirmed.

Arms legends? DF, that’s really kinda creepy. Your love of guns seems to have an erotic element to it. Might want to have that checked out.

117 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 8:11:55pm

Je suis crazy alcoholic lady

Ah Frank. I will give you LGF for the day.

118 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2015 8:12:34pm

re: #112 Great White Snark

Well it’s not un named sources. Nor bystanders. It’s a police statement about the incident, so it’s a little above the usual noise and speculation. To me the easy explanation is a well trained guy v un trained. Think pro MMA guy vs a couple big dumb drunks.

Also, like I said, it’s not that hard to get inside pistol range and shoot two assholes when they’re preoccupied with trying to shoot an unarmed third party with rifles. The one serious drawback to rifles is it’s easy to lose awareness of your surroundings when aiming down the sights.

119 Varek Raith  May 4, 2015 8:12:44pm

re: #116 palomino

Arms legends? DF, that’s really kinda creepy. Your love of guns seems to have an erotic element to it. Might want to have that checked out.

Would you like to see my gunblade???

120 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 8:13:03pm

re: #112 Great White Snark

Do you have links? I’m not aware of any trustworthy sources.

121 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 8:13:40pm

re: #119 Varek Raith

Would you like to see my gunblade???

S u r e

122 palomino  May 4, 2015 8:14:12pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

I’m not fear mongering, I’m just glad for having something I can call a clear win and a case where the cops did their duty clearly and well.

There’s been a lot of cases recently where I’ve had to fault the police and that doesn’t come naturally or easily to me, so in this case I’m glad to be able to do the opposite. I understand complexity, and I know this is a flawed situation, but sometimes I just need to stand up and applaud a job well done. I hope you understand.

This has always been your intellectual flaw: you see a pretty tree, then miss the entire forest that surrounds it.

123 CleverToad  May 4, 2015 8:15:38pm

re: #108 psddluva4evah

Unconscionable.
That poor family, going through this unending torment.

124 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2015 8:16:12pm

re: #116 palomino

Arms legends? DF, that’s really kinda creepy. Your love of guns seems to have an erotic element to it. Might want to have that checked out.

I said it was “the kind of feat of arms legends are made of”. My praise was for the cop, not his gun.

125 Kragar  May 4, 2015 8:17:47pm

I almost forgot a moment of pure comedy on my drive home this evening.

Local radio RWNJ said the best thing about Fiorina and Carson announcing their campaigns was that liberals wouldn’t be able to talk about the GOP’s war on women or bring up “Black Lives Matter” anymore.

How these people make it thru the day without seriously injuring themselves is truly amazing.

126 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 8:19:41pm

re: #125 Kragar

I almost forgot a moment of pure comedy on my drive home this evening.

Local radio RWNJ said the best thing about Fiorina and Carson announcing their campaigns was that liberals wouldn’t be able to talk about the GOP’s war on women or bring up “Black Lives Matter” anymore.

How these people make it thru the day without seriously injuring themselves is truly amazing.

That they think this solves anything, shows how fucked everything is.

127 Kragar  May 4, 2015 8:21:27pm

re: #126 #FergusonFireside

That they think this solves anything, shows how fucked everything is.

Looking forward to many conversation like:

“That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.”

“You’re just saying that because liberals are the real racists/hate women!”

“No, I’m saying that because its the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard.”

128 Snarknado!  May 4, 2015 8:23:42pm

re: #127 Kragar

“Can you say ‘token’?”

129 #FergusonFireside  May 4, 2015 8:24:33pm

re: #128 Snarknado!

“Can you say ‘token’?”

Bought & paid for.

130 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 8:25:42pm

re: #122 palomino

That’s a good way to phrase it. Please give it a nice long consideration DF. You’ve shown time and again that you can be a good man; to do so every day of your life, to remember the Lords teaching of Matthew 22:39, is all that remains. I know you want to. So do it…

Even if not, remember this: no matter if we succeed or fail, God loves everyone. Every. Human. Being. Sometimes it’s really that simple.

131 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2015 8:26:26pm

re: #125 Kragar

I almost forgot a moment of pure comedy on my drive home this evening.

Local radio RWNJ said the best thing about Fiorina and Carson announcing their campaigns was that liberals wouldn’t be able to talk about the GOP’s war on women or bring up “Black Lives Matter” anymore.

How these people make it thru the day without seriously injuring themselves is truly amazing.

I might not be quite as dismissive of that shit if actually nominating and electing a black President had shut up talk about the “Democratic plantation.” The truth though is that this kind of statement about Fiorina and Carson’s candidacies just betrays their token status. The GOP views them as magical fetishes intended only to ward off valid criticism, not as genuinely viable options.

132 Great White Snark  May 4, 2015 8:27:55pm

re: #120 William Lewis

I take it CNN is out, citing Garland Officer Hahn? One of these says the one officer “subdued” the two shooters until a SWAT react team engaged, source of fatal shot uncertain.

URGENT - Garland police officers | KLIF-AM
klif.com
(CNN) — Full statement from the Garland Independent School District: “Earlier this evening, during an event at the Curtis Culwell Center, two men exited a vehicle …
Garland police: Suspects were ‘there to shoot people’
wfaa.com
GARLAND — Police in Garland say they believe the two men killed outside a controversial art show Sunday night were there to shoot the approximately 200 …
Police: Garland cop quickly killed 2 gunmen, ‘probably saved …
dallasnews.com
A Garland police officer working security at a Garland ISD events center Sunday night quickly shot and killed two men who opened fire at a controversial …

133 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 8:30:51pm

re: #132 Great White Snark

I don’t have them (CNN) here so I have nothing plus or minus on them. I still want about 24 hours though.

134 palomino  May 4, 2015 8:35:50pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

I said it was “the kind of feat of arms legends are made of”. My praise was for the cop, not his gun.

Which is still kinda weird, especially when one considers the circumstances of the shooters and where they were aiming.

Trying to create an Audie Murphy type legend out of a cop doing his job correctly is useless fluffery for gun strokers.

135 Great White Snark  May 4, 2015 8:40:58pm

re: #134 palomino

OTOH a well worthwhile example of training and tactics, with or without SWAT getting into the fight as may well have happened. it’s a Rorschach test. if you don’t like guns the feat should be treated as near impossible, if you are comfortable with guns as a worthwhile defensive tool in the hands of even just some police it does not seem so unlikely. Thing is though if you have not witnessed what real experts can do, it’s as inexplicable as a man fighting off multiple attackers with his fists. Until you find out he is a martial arts champ or contender. So much changed after that big bank heist, it completely upended police firearms training.

The facts of the shooting have zero regard for our feelings on the matter. what happened happened. The rest is what we make of it or each other.

136 psddluva4evah  May 4, 2015 8:42:29pm

my understanding is that Tamir Rice’s mother has moved into a homeless shelter. cant afford a new home and doesn’t want to live right next to where Tamir was killed

here is a gofundme for the family of Tamir Rice set up by their legal counsel…

gofundme.com

137 Dark_Falcon  May 4, 2015 8:42:47pm

Since SWAt is part of this conversation I’m going to post a link to a relevant report now before stepping away:

Research Report 4: Less-lethal munitions in Ferguson, Missouri

A couple things to point out:

1. Armament Research Services (ARES) is not a wingnut outfit. They are professionals who do first rate work, including work for the UN at times. So this isn’t a report written by a gun-fucker.

2. I’m posting this so folks can see what cops use for crowd control purposes in the USA. I am not seeking to glorify the police who use such munitions nor the munitions themselves. This is posted for those who want to know how the police acted in Ferguson and what sorts of less-lethal devices American police use. Read the report and tell me what you think. Because if some the stuff worries you, I want to know so I can keep my moral bearings properly centered.

138 palomino  May 4, 2015 8:48:22pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

I might not be quite as dismissive of that shit if actually nominating and electing a black President had shut up talk about the “Democratic plantation.” The truth though is that this kind of statement about Fiorina and Carson’s candidacies just betrays their token status. The GOP views them as magical fetishes intended only to ward off valid criticism, not as genuinely viable options.

At least Cain and Bachmann, despite being clowns, had some relevant political experience. She was in the House, and he ran the KC Fed. Neither Carson nor Fiorina is even that qualified.

Carson’s just a retired doctor who spends most of his time removing his foot from his mouth after saying things like prison makes men gay, and Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery. He’s an idiot on things that don’t involve neuroscience.

Fiorina has an up and down record in the business world, like a lot of people. But her only political “accomplishment” was spending $40 million in 2010 to lose badly in a Calif. Senate race. She got only 40% of the vote in a terrible year for Democrats.

Carson and Fiorina are this cycle’s analogs to Cain and Bachmann. People with no chance to win, but who can serve as attack dogs and maintain a pretense that the GOP gives a shit about women and blacks. They’ll drop out once they’ve finished 9th and 10th in a few states…or after they’ve said so much stupid shit they grow tired of spending all their time trying to walk back their moronic utterances.

139 William Lewis  May 4, 2015 8:49:22pm

Good night all.

140 Kragar  May 4, 2015 8:49:41pm

A point I saw earlier which needs restating:

A police officer is not a weapon’s expert. They are certified to carry a firearm while performing their duties, which means they have the necessary skills not to shoot themselves in the foot when they pull their weapons. The vast majority of their duties never even require them to draw a weapon.

Do certain cops hold positions where they receive extra training, marksmen or swat? Of course, that is what their duties cover.

Patrol officers? I think the statistics speak for themselves. They aren’t getting the training they need to protect or serve the community.

141 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2015 8:51:31pm

re: #125 Kragar

I almost forgot a moment of pure comedy on my drive home this evening.

Local radio RWNJ said the best thing about Fiorina and Carson announcing their campaigns was that liberals wouldn’t be able to talk about the GOP’s war on women or bring up “Black Lives Matter” anymore.

How these people make it thru the day without seriously injuring themselves is truly amazing.

I went out to get mr. klys a hamburger for lunch today, after the doctor’s appointment (drained some fluid off the knee, which has been a big help) and got to overhear a conversation between two patrons about this “Dr. Ben Carson, very conservative guy” that the Republicans were talking about and how this would “really get the Democrats in a twist” because the only issue anyone Democrat considers when voting is skin color, apparently.

I ate a bunch of pickles while I waited and reminded myself that this is why I don’t talk politics in public.

142 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 8:52:12pm

how is it now?

144 palomino  May 4, 2015 8:54:24pm

re: #135 Great White Snark

OTOH a well worthwhile example of training and tactics, with or without SWAT getting into the fight as may well have happened. it’s a Rorschach test. if you don’t like guns the feat should be treated as near impossible, if you are comfortable with guns as a worthwhile defensive tool in the hands of even just some police it does not seem so unlikely. Thing is though if you have not witnessed what real experts can do, it’s as inexplicable as a man fighting off multiple attackers with his fists. Until you find out he is a martial arts champ or contender. So much changed after that big bank heist, it completely upended police firearms training.

The facts of the shooting have zero regard for our feelings on the matter. what happened happened. The rest is what we make of it or each other.

Yes, it’s definitely a good thing when cops carry guns and have good aim. I like the idea of cops who are well trained, in using weapons AND everything else.

But this cop was apparently not being shot at, not even a target. The dead terrorists were aiming in another direction at other people. It’s not necessary to turn this guy into some John Wayne/Clint Eastwood superhero.

145 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 8:54:45pm

What does this even mean?

146 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 8:55:16pm

Scientists discover swirling, oxygen-depleted dead zones in North Atlantic

now that is scary!

147 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 8:56:52pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

What does this even mean?

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I think he is trying to say that a label gives a person a license to kill.

Which seems a bit assbackwards to me.

148 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2015 8:57:22pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

What does this even mean?

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Best guess is he’s gearing up to blame the SPL for the attack, because they list SIOA as an anti muslim hate group.

149 Bass Reeves  May 4, 2015 9:00:21pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

A very quick response would be that the cops in Ferguson often used this indiscriminately against people for whom it was absolutely unnecessary. Or did you forget about them gassing tv crews? Or have you missed the reporting from people on the ground who basically said that at a certain time of the night, the cops just started mass gassing the protestors? The large block of protestors and media personnel carrying gas masks so they could exercise their first amendment rights because ‘dispersing large crowds was the priority’? I see at least one image I remember because the police were insisting they had only fired smoke until people started showing them the CS gas they were using. The takeaway that standoff was a key priority means that TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY was not a concern.

Moral compass should be right along the ‘crowd control measures during Ferguson were completely out of hand, but at least they didn’t shoot them’ azimuth.

150 goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2015 9:01:12pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

Best guess is he’s gearing up to blame the SPL for the attack, because they list SIOA as an anti muslim hate group.

LOL, I didn’t even check. His three subsequent retweets confirm this.

151 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 4, 2015 9:02:42pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

What does this even mean?

[Embedded content]

The victims of an attack are at fault, not the gunmen who came to shoot at them.

152 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 9:02:56pm
153 Kragar  May 4, 2015 9:04:51pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

154 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 9:06:34pm
155 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:08:03pm

re: #149 Bass Reeves

Moral compass should be right along the ‘crowd control measures during Ferguson were completely out of hand, but at least they didn’t shoot them’ azimuth.

Stonekettle had a very interesting essay on moral compass:

stonekettle.com

156 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 4, 2015 9:08:13pm

I have reason to believe that the woman GotNewsDotCom has outed as the wife of Garland gunman Nadir H. Soofi is not in fact his wife.

Eleven hours ago, Nadir Soofi was no longer alive.

Also, police said he was sharing an apartment with Elton Simpson in Garland. Both men are from the Phoenix area.

ADDENDUM: Reviewing the account names of the tweets in the GNDC post, I see at least four different @ accounts using the same netname. Shannon Knutsen’s the same dingbat who ID’d the wrong woman in a photo as the Jackie of Rolling Stone/UVa fame.

157 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:10:36pm

In short, according to Wright (Stonekettle), there is no such thing as a moral compass

“Listen, as soon as you say to me ‘the country has lost its moral compass’ you and I are done talking.

“Because you are engaged in a logical fallacy, a fantasy of your own making, and while that may be your right, it’s my right not to participate in your delusion.

“The United States does not now have, nor has it ever had, a ‘moral compass.’

“We haven’t lost ours, we Americans, we never had one.”

158 Bass Reeves  May 4, 2015 9:14:34pm

re: #157 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Umm…his very next sentence?

“Morality is for people, not nations.”

159 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:15:00pm

re: #157 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

In short, according to Wright (Stonekettle), there is no such thing as a moral compass

“Listen, as soon as you say to me ‘the country has lost its moral compass’ you and I are done talking.

“Because you are engaged in a logical fallacy, a fantasy of your own making, and while that may be your right, it’s my right not to participate in your delusion.

“The United States does not now have, nor has it ever had, a ‘moral compass.’

“We haven’t lost ours, we Americans, we never had one.”

I’d love to see the proposed definitions of “moral”

160 A Cranky One  May 4, 2015 9:17:33pm

re: #104 William Lewis

Barnett, much as I honor the name, was my ex-wife’s family name. Our divorce decree said that we were allowed to take over our pre-marriage names so this was one step in my slow return to being the

William Andrew Lewis III

that is on my birth certificate.

I would prefer not to change my name but such is life…

I figured you had sold it to get money for another guitar. ;)

161 darthstar  May 4, 2015 9:17:48pm

Apparently Huckabee doesn’t feed his fucking children and they’re forced to pose as Democrats to find food.

162 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:17:57pm

re: #158 Bass Reeves

re: #159 FemNaziBitch

I couldn’t figure out the context of moral context in the post above. While Stonekettle does say that morals are for people, I remember getting the impression that he also thinks people are pining for a moral compass that never existed (sort of like the good old days).

163 Kragar  May 4, 2015 9:19:17pm
164 darthstar  May 4, 2015 9:19:19pm

re: #160 A Cranky One

I figured you had sold it to get money for another guitar. ;)

I heard the song “Perfectly Good Guitar” by John Hiatt again today…love that fucking song.

…

165 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:19:25pm

re: #159 FemNaziBitch

I’d love to see the proposed definitions of “moral”

I’m trudging through a philosophy class (fricking liberal arts school) and believe me, I don’t want any part of that discussion right now.

167 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:25:06pm

re: #162 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I couldn’t figure out the context of moral context in the post above. While Stonekettle does say that morals are for people, I remember getting the impression that he also thinks people are pining for a moral compass that never existed (sort of like the good old days).

I think morality falls into the Plato/Aristotle/Socrates realm.

Meaning, it is subjective. I’ve yet to see a mathematical equation that sums up right from wrong.

This is the best I’ve found:

All evil and good is petty before Nature. Personally, we take comfort from this, that there is a universe to admire that cannot be twisted to villainy or good, but which simply is.

Vernor Vinge

168 darthstar  May 4, 2015 9:25:58pm

Motorcycles are sxy. (the e isn’t only silent, it’s invisible)
…

169 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:27:13pm

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

I was just worried that we could get into a thang where we started trying to define morality, and I am just too cranky. It’s finals week and I’m just stealing a few minutes for a distraction.

170 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:27:49pm

Crater collapses, lava explodes from Hawaii’s Kilauea

I guess TuTu Pele is pissed for some reason. One could surmise much about good and bad and morality from this event.

:)

171 stpaulbear  May 4, 2015 9:28:02pm

re: #164 darthstar

I heard the song “Perfectly Good Guitar” by John Hiatt again today…love that fucking song.

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I love that song too. That’s one of my go-to CDs for Hiatt. I’d love to know who inspired that song (I don’t think it’s Townsend, and I know that Garth Brooks had some videos with guitar smashing as part of his act about that time. I take some comfort in thinking it’s about Garth ;) ).

172 darthstar  May 4, 2015 9:28:19pm

re: #166 FemNaziBitch

Tesla CEO introduces ‘Powerwall,’ a battery powered by solar energy

See? I could charge that just by walking into the room.

173 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:28:59pm

re: #169 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I was just worried that we could get into a thang where we started trying to define morality, and I am just too cranky. It’s finals week and I’m just stealing a few minutes for a distraction.

I feel the same way. I don’t have the patience for the pomposity of philosophers anymore.

174 Kragar  May 4, 2015 9:32:54pm

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

I think its safe to say that if you consider yourself moral because you adhere to what was written in a book by rote, you don’t have any real morality

175 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:33:19pm
176 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:33:58pm

re: #174 Kragar

I think its safe to say that if you consider yourself moral because you adhere to what was written in a book by rote, you don’t have any real morality

and still eat apples!

it’s the stupid shit that amuses me.

177 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:37:16pm

My morality in a nutshell: Take the Beatitudes and do the best you can.

178 alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  May 4, 2015 9:38:12pm

re: #28 stpaulbear

Gah! …and from a drummer? I saw these guys back in Austin when they played w/ Spearhead at a club that’s long gone.

But yeah, he’s lookin’ a bit haggard in this vid. ;)

…

I love Grohl, and the Foo Fighters bring the goods. He’s karate expert when it comes to playing the game, and he’s been through a shitton.

179 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:38:53pm
180 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:39:25pm

re: #177 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

My morality in a nutshell: Take the Beatitudes and do the best you can.

Do not do to others what is offensive to you —is mine.

181 Charles Johnson  May 4, 2015 9:40:03pm

Here goes this douchebag again.

182 Kragar  May 4, 2015 9:40:20pm

re: #177 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

My morality in a nutshell: Take the Beatitudes and do the best you can.

Don’t be a dick unless the other sumbitch really deserves it.

183 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:45:49pm

I’m teaching my daughter to drive. Lesson #2, how to flip the bird. Lesson #3, when to flip it.

I’m also trying to teach one of my classmates to drive. Some of it should be self-evident. Like going around a bend. She turns the steering wheel and never really straightened it out. I had to summon all of my patience to say, “You should turn the wheel back to the right”
“Which way is right” (She’s also a nursing student)
“That way. You see where the street goes that way?”
“Uh huh”
“Well you see when you don’t follow the street, that’s why we’re on somebody’s lawn. Can you put it in reverse?”
“Do we have to?”
“Yes. because that tree won’t let us go by”

184 Kragar  May 4, 2015 9:47:25pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Ah yes, because being photographed together means you share the same views.

185 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 9:48:59pm

WOW! Look at Cher.

186 Mich-again  May 4, 2015 9:50:30pm

Some photos from Dave Grohl Alley in Warren Ohio..

187 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:51:10pm

She’s a nice kid, but like my daughter, neither paid any attention when they were passengers in the car. This lady was also with me when I tried to teach her how to play skee-ball. Her mother never let her play such juvenile stuff when she was little, so I set her up and I’m thinking it’s obvious, just roll the ball and try to get into blah blah blah. It happened so fast that all I could do was watch dumbfounded as she made a full windup and throw the ball overhand at the target. It hit the net in front and went flying across the room. I could only cringe and wait for somebody to get hit in the head, but it must have landed safely.

188 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 4, 2015 9:52:46pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

WOW! Look at Cher.

Just between you and me, the first time I heard U2, I thought it was Cher.

189 Mich-again  May 4, 2015 9:57:03pm

One of my favorite nights in these threads was when we hounded Robert Spencer for his ties to Fjordman until he flounced.

190 Jenner7  May 4, 2015 9:59:01pm

re: #186 Mich-again

My Hubby is from Warren. He brags about Dave all the time, it’s annoying. Warren is a shit hole.

Okay, that was mean..

191 Mich-again  May 4, 2015 10:07:26pm

re: #190 Jenner7

While in Warren OH..
Hot Dog Shoppe
Mocha House
Sunrise Pizza

192 Jenner7  May 4, 2015 10:09:02pm

re: #191 Mich-again

Hot Dog Shoppe, yes!

193 Nyet  May 4, 2015 10:14:59pm

re: #41 CuriousLurker

Lenin’s Body Improves with Age

So all those night work-outs help. That, and the blood of the thousand young.

194 Nyet  May 4, 2015 10:17:00pm

re: #56 electrotek

See discussion a coupla threads back.

195 Nyet  May 4, 2015 10:18:17pm

re: #63 Kragar

Because Muslims are wont to mock one of their most significant prophets. You got a point there, Donald Duck.

196 alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  May 4, 2015 10:19:24pm

re: #190 Jenner7

OK. I’ve never been to Warren. But, having played underground music for as long as I could take it, and being in my prime during the whole Nirvana explosion and loving solid drummers, I love me some Dave Grohl.

If you watch the Foo Fighters vids, a bunch of them are hilarious. On top of that, he and his band are making it doing probably what it is they want to do.

Pat Smear played with them for years. That says a bunch.

If there’s a band/family(‘cause at that level, I believe that’s what it is) I’d loved to be a part of, it’s the Foo Fighters. Making money and having fun.

Plus, this is a guy who dealt with the whole Nirvana hype at it’s pinnacle. Tell me that wasn’t completely nuts.

197 Mich-again  May 4, 2015 10:23:44pm

re: #196 alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

This short video explains a lot about Grohl. Fresh Pots!

198 alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  May 4, 2015 10:30:08pm

re: #197 Mich-again

Ha! ‘for realz’.

Yeah, he also played on some Queen of the Stoneage tracks, and the Mike Watt Ball hog or Tugboat album. Which is one of my favorites.

Man, livin’ the life.

199 FemNaziBitch  May 4, 2015 10:31:32pm

bbl

200 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 4, 2015 11:02:53pm

I haz made a page about UpChuck’s latest failure.

littlegreenfootballs.com

201 Kragar  May 4, 2015 11:10:55pm

re: #200 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I haz made a page about UpChuck’s latest failure.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Might want to rework the title. As it is, if you hit Tweet, it just goes to Gotnews

202 Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2015 11:14:02pm

re: #180 FemNaziBitch

Do not do to others what is offensive to you —is mine.

Mine goes like this - If you’re lucky, you get 70-100 years in the world. It’s an amazing place, full of every kind of thing. Have fun, and try to leave it at least no worse than it was when you got here.

There are, of course, corollaries.

203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 4, 2015 11:17:08pm

re: #201 Kragar

Might want to rework the title. As it is, if you hit Tweet, it just goes to Gotnews

Done. Thanks.

205 Ace-o-aces  May 4, 2015 11:20:59pm
206 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 4, 2015 11:22:34pm

re: #205 Ace-o-aces

Consistency is not his strong suit

207 Eclectic Cyborg  May 4, 2015 11:30:04pm

re: #206 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Consistency is not his strong suit

I don’t think anything is his strong suit, except maybe drinking and being a douchebag.

208 Ace-o-aces  May 4, 2015 11:32:26pm
209 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 4, 2015 11:44:11pm

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t think anything is his strong suit, except maybe drinking and being a douchebag.

Reporting basic facts correctly is not one of them, either.

210 thecommodore  May 5, 2015 1:57:51am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Just a refresher, Jim Treacher’s the nitwit who broke the
OBAMA ATE DOG! idiocy after Mitt Romney was criticized for the way he treated his dog.

Check it out here:

dailycaller.com

WARNING: If you value your intestines, I wouldn’t click on this link, because they are bound to spill out of you after your sides split open.

Conservatives are so FUNNY!!!!

211 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 2:12:52am

re: #210 thecommodore

The point with Romney and his dog was that he was trying to seem all homely and “human” and failed miserably.

212 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2015 2:16:10am

Some venting time.

A group of American students and teachers are arriving next Monday to visit our campus and the surrounding area. I’ve asked two people working with this group to tell me their arrival time, so I can help prepare a welcoming party for them.

One person doesn’t know, as he’s with another group in Greece. The lead teacher who *is* coming also doesn’t know, but said they are arriving late afternoon on May 4.

0_o

I emailed her back and suggested she probably meant May 11, and said a more precise time would be helpful for planning on our end.

In her defense, they’re working with a travel agency, which supposedly will transport them from the train station to the hotel. But it would be helpful for the people receiving them to know when they arrive, dontcha think?

213 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 2:25:12am

My girlfriend is off visiting Amsterdam with friends and now there is a nationwide train strike all week in Germany. She should be able to get back at least to Germany as most international connections are still running, but might well get hung up somewhere once she crosses the border.

214 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 2:35:20am

I read that interesting essay by Jim Wright. This is what stands out to me, and what some people probably miss: “The very notion of a national morality is counter to liberty; it is tyrants and the totalitarianism of theocracies and ideologues which attempt to impose morality on the citizenry by force or threat.” Yet, we have always done that.

And that is exactly what some are trying to do in the 21st century. There are thousands of examples, in every walk of life, why it is so. For instance, the woman who doesn’t want to get pregnant on a whim and is denied birth control, for instance, by those whose personal morals say she should be “abstinent” from sex until she’s married and if she gets pregnant, no matter the circumstances, well, tough shit because they don’t think birth control should be available for her, nor abortion. This is anachronistic moralism being foisted on a modern populace.

It’s also a removal of the woman’s liberty to choose for herself, to make her own moral decisions. No decision of law should be made based on anyone’s religious convictions because it would be against the very first tenet of the Constitution: the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Yet, this is the same document that declared that slaves were 3/5 of a human being for purposes of representation and taxation in the “3/5 Compromise”, Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3. In the first example, women weren’t even a consideration of those who wrote the Constitution—they didn’t even have the right to vote or have any say-so in writing it since at the time they were considered an extension, almost property, of men, just as slaves were considered actual property. And those conditions were the moral failings of the men who wrote it.

So you could say that the morality of the 18th century has always tainted US law unti it has been changed by those who see its flaws. And a modern country simply cannot function on the “morality” of another era.

Even though we are a nation of “laws”, those laws didn’t develop in a vacuum. And you certainly can see how the law has developed from the Constitution forward where people’s rights have been denied because of those “morals” which would deny freedoms which everyone should enjoy, and which were overturned because of that denial.

Only one thing is absolutely clear to me: That every human being in this country should enjoy the same rights as every other human being, no matter who they are. The “immorality” occurs when it doesn’t happen.

215 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 2:38:13am

re: #214 Justanotherhuman

Only one thing is absolutely clear to me: That every human being in this country should enjoy the same rights as every other human being, no matter who they are. The “immorality” occurs when it doesn’t happen.

I believe that it all falls under “the pursuit of happiness”: the only grounds for infringing a person’s right to do anything is in the event that it interferes with others’ right to do as they please.

216 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 2:42:39am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I believe that it all falls under “the pursuit of happiness”: the only grounds for infringing a person’s right to do anything is in the event that it interferes with others’ right to do as they please.

Yes, but the “pursuit of happiness” is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, which is actually the basis of US law. In the case of the DoI, that “happiness” was only actually applicable to free white men as shown in the Constitution.

217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 2:45:31am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

Yes, but the “pursuit of happiness” is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, which is actually the basis of US law. In the case of the DoI, that “happiness” was only actually applicable to free white men as shown in the Constitution.

I understand, but I see that concept as the basis for defining human rights: What consenting adults do for fun in private and in their spare time is nobody else’s business.

218 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 3:00:12am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I understand what you’re saying; however, the law isn’t based on that document; any justice who relies on it would probably be coming from this perspective:

nccs.net

Those who really understand law,and what it is based on, would say this:

“There is no legitimate way to make the Declaration constitutional law.”

candst.tripod.com

219 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 3:08:14am

re: #218 Justanotherhuman

The Declaration is a statement about basic human rights, the Constitution is about the laws we make to uphold and protect them.

220 darthstar  May 5, 2015 3:21:29am

…

221 darthstar  May 5, 2015 3:22:00am

Earworm delivered.

222 Nyet  May 5, 2015 3:23:35am

re: #221 darthstar

Meh.

…

223 darthstar  May 5, 2015 3:24:05am
224 darthstar  May 5, 2015 3:31:40am
225 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 3:32:34am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Declaration is a statement about basic human rights, the Constitution is about the laws we make to uphold and protect them.

No, the DoI is not that at all. “Basic human rights” only included those white men who wrote it. And the original Constitution and Bill of Rights have been argued over time and amended. The DofI was what it was—a declaration of independence for propertied white men who wanted the yoke of England to be removed so they could pursue their own interests. Hell, we fought a war over it.

Basic human rights include everyone, of every race, sex, gender, etc, and those who wrote the DoI didn’t mean everyone, only themselves. It took 100 years to free slaves. It took 150 yrs for women to get the vote. And that was done yes, through lawsuits which were argued over time and into the modern age, and will be into the future, something those white men would have never considered in the 1700s. So, it’s always been a matter of interpretation, which as the country aged, mitigated in rights for everyone being slowly explored and added. It’s always a fight to get those same rights enjoyed by the Founders at the time who wrote it.

Both might have been documents of very smart white, educated and propertied men at the time, but it took time for the Constitution to be argued for those who were not included in that document’s intent of “liberty for all” when “all” never did include “all” of us until we fought for our rights to be included.

226 darthstar  May 5, 2015 3:33:17am

re: #224 darthstar

That second sentence is key.

Tom Cotton can tweet himself silly. The adults will ignore him.

227 Varek Raith  May 5, 2015 3:37:25am

re: #223 darthstar

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Oy.

228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 3:42:54am

re: #223 darthstar

Embedded Image

a baby harp seal walks into a club…

229 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 3:48:15am

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

I cannot disagree with you, I just want to add that most great human ideas start out small and then spread.

Even though the Magna Carta covered only the rights of the English nobility, it eventually led to the idea that governments should rule only by consent of the governed.

And when Martin Luther said that all men were equal before God and had the right to choose how to worship, he only meant Christian males. It took some time for the idea to spread to apply to all persons of all faiths.

230 darthstar  May 5, 2015 3:50:30am
231 darthstar  May 5, 2015 3:51:21am
232 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 3:53:40am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Many are still trapped by the notion that this is a “christian” country without realizing that religion is a personal matter, not a state one.

233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 4:02:31am

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

Many are still trapped by the notion that this is a “christian” country without realizing that religion is a personal matter, not a state one.

and there is no arguing with them on that account. we can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can cause.

234 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 4:02:45am

Regardless of what some people think, we cannot, and should not, go back in time.

With the human population exponentially increasing, the future is going to be fraught with those who want exactly that. The idea of some being in possession the earth as their own property, whether by individuals or the State, and others being dispossessed, will be the next major human rights question. And many will die because of it—they already are.

235 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 4:14:56am

Seeing the Queen of Hate (who, of course, denies her own responsibilities under the guise of the First Amendment in promulgating that hate) given mucho press exposure, as well as the overall demonization of Islam by the usual suspects. It’s like saying all christians, or all Jews, or all atheists, are alike. Just because a person sounds and appears reasonable, doesn’t make them so.

Run for your lives, America! ///

236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 4:15:11am

re: #234 Justanotherhuman

Regardless of what some people think, we cannot, and should not, go back in time.

With the human population exponentially increasing, the future is going to be fraught with those who want exactly that. The idea of some being in possession of it as their own property, whether by individuals or the State, and others being dispossessed, will be the next major human rights question. And many will die because of it—they already are.

Some things I would not mind going back to:

Jobs that allow a single breadwinner to feed and support a family so that the other partner can afford to stay home and raise a family.

Executive pay that is perhaps 20-30x that of employee pay but not 200-300x.

College tuition rates that do not leave graduates stuck with tens of thousands of dollars in debts.

237 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 4:21:21am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Some things I would not mind going back to:

Jobs that allow a single breadwinner to feed and support a family so that the other partner can afford to stay home and raise a family.

Executive pay that is perhaps 20-30x that of employee pay but not 200-300x.

College tuition rates that do not leave graduates stuck with tens of thousands of dollars in debts.

To me, that’s not going back in time, that’s going forward, esp in that the partner who stays home would be the one making that decision with the other partner, not being forced into it by tradition. I wouldn’t want to live like I did 40 yrs ago. Except that my tuition was only $33 a quarter (the cc was on the quarter system) and students should never have to go into the kind of debt they do today just to be educated. The ratio of CEO pay to line employees could be easily fixed if people had the will to do it. It’s just going to take more education, unfortunately, the kind you don’t necessarily get in school.

BBIAB

238 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 4:26:23am

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

That’s why I said one breadwinner and one partner, not husband and wife.

And when I went to college, state tuition was something like $300 per semester, something that a student could easily cover with a summer job or part-time work.

And executive pay will not stabilize in reasonable figures until people realize that is is not a matter of inherent worth, it is just what these people can convince shareholders to pay.

239 Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2015 4:32:33am

re: #184 Kragar

Ah yes, because being photographed together means you share the same views.

Where is that photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam?

240 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2015 4:46:06am

re: #239 Eventual Carrion

Where is that photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam?

Or Reagan meeting with the Taliban?

241 The Pie Mother  May 5, 2015 4:49:04am

Good Morning Lizardia!

It’s Election Day in Michigan, when voters decide on the single proposal:

SHOULD THE SALES TAX BE RAISED TO FIX THE ROADS??

My answer to Emperor Wingnerd is FUCK NO. Because this has nothing to do with HURR HURR TEH ROADS JUST FIX THEMSELVES!!!!!! but its purpose is getting the sheeple citizenry used to sales tax increase to make up for revenue lost by tax cuts for the rich.

Sales tax, as we all know, is really a tax on Poors since they have to spend more of their meager cash allotments on stuff.

So Fuck Proposal 1

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2015 4:58:14am

Nice Google doodle today for Nellie Bly’s 151st birthday.
I’ve always found her life story to be fascinating, and her investigative reporting of women’s insane asylums was (and still is) brilliant.

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2015 5:08:46am

And today’s clown car contestant:

244 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2015 5:10:58am

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

And today’s clown car contestant:

[Embedded content]

Now, that would be a theocratic president. His morality preached from the Oval Office.

245 Belafon  May 5, 2015 5:30:49am

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

Seeing the Queen of Hate (who, of course, denies her own responsibilities under the guise of the First Amendment in promulgating that hate) given mucho press exposure, as well as the overall demonization of Islam by the usual suspects. It’s like saying all christians, or all Jews, or all atheists, are alike. Just because a person sounds and appears reasonable, doesn’t make them so.

Run for your lives, America! ///

They were just exercising their right to use a second amendment solution.

246 The Pie Mother  May 5, 2015 5:34:49am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, GUN-FUCKING EDITION==>


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