Jon Stewart Gets Serious on the Charleston Church Shooting
A powerful statement from someone known for his comedy, unable to be anything but serious this time.
A powerful statement from someone known for his comedy, unable to be anything but serious this time.
1 | Kragar Jun 19, 2015 9:36:12am |
Brian Kilmeade broadcasts at least six hours a day: http://t.co/jARWPHw9nc pic.twitter.com/lMrmqKt9KU
— Eric Hananoki (@ehananoki) June 19, 2015
2 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:37:33am |
I’m going to miss Jon when he steps down. He’s one of the funniest people out there but he’s also one of the best in tragedy too. To paraphrase him, the CSA flag flies over South Carolina’s capitol and the roads are named for Confederate generals and white people are worried about losing their country? ISIS. Al Queda, they’re not shit when we consider the damage that we do to each other. And he’s sadly right.
3 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 9:39:00am |
re: #2 HappyWarrior
I’m going to miss Jon when he steps down. He’s one of the funniest people out there but he’s also one of the best in tragedy too. To paraphrase him, the CSA flag flies over South Carolina’s capitol and the roads are named for Confederate generals and white people are worried about losing their country? ISIS. Al Queda, they’re not shit when we consider the damage that we do to each other. And he’s sadly right.
Nobody in the GOP is about to call out the wingnuts on that point, in fact, they have come to embrace it fully.
4 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:39:20am |
re: #1 Kragar
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The NRA said the same fucking stupid shit that it wouldn’t have happened if everyone was armed. First off, that’s such crap. Secondly, it’s not as if he came in guns a blazing, he actually sat down with their prayer group before he started killing people. Fox, the NRA, and anyone else pushing this tragedy to cry about how guns aren’t allowed in churches needs a healthy dosage of go fuck yourself. We need less not more guns in this country.
5 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:39:55am |
re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Nobody in the GOP is about to call out the wingnuts on that point, in fact, they have come to embrace it fully.
That’s because the wingnuts and the GOP are one now. In the past, the GOP merely pandered to the wingnuts. Now they are one.
6 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 9:42:03am |
7 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:42:23am |
I guarantee you Brian Kilmeade and most of the talking heads on the right that love to talk up guns have either seldom used a gun in their lives or wouldn’t know what to do with one if they were in a stressful situation. But they love to talk up guns because that’s the party line.
8 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 9:43:00am |
re: #1 Kragar
Kilmeade Adds That Shooter “Probably Wouldn’t Have Went In” If Someone In The Church Was Armed
Seriously? Is that how these people want to live? Do they not understand that even in full-on combat zones there are places where you don’t carry weapons?
9 | piratedan Jun 19, 2015 9:43:16am |
and exactly how would the shooter have known if the Bible Study group was packing, should they have posted a sign on the door, Packing for our Lord and Savior?
what kind of insipid tripe is this to blame the fucking victims for not being armed?
what an incredibly disingenuous fuckstick Brian Kilmeade is
10 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 9:43:38am |
Another gun fucker in my time line
@makeliberalscry @FurlingtonJeff @FACTSoverFEELS She was a trained LE professional not some random doofus with a gun.
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) June 19, 2015
11 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:45:02am |
re: #8 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Seriously? Is that how these people want to live? Do they not understand that even in full-on combat zones there are places where you don’t carry weapons?
As I said Higgs, I don’t think most of your talking heads who love to talk up guns actually understand guns. I’ll be the first to admit that I myself do not and have only fired a weapon once my whole life but I really do think most of these people like Kilmeade love to talk up guns because that’s the party line.
12 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 9:46:27am |
re: #11 HappyWarrior
As I said Higgs, I don’t think most of your talking heads who love to talk up guns actually understand guns. I’ll be the first to admit that I myself do not and have only fired a weapon once my whole life but I really do think most of these people like Kilmeade love to talk up guns because
that’s the party line.it seems to fill in a space in that dreary vacuum they call a “soul”
FTFY
13 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:46:30am |
I don’t want to live in a country where everyone feels the need to be armed everywhere and at all times. I mean it. I’d move to Europe or Canada if our country ever became like that.
14 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 9:48:20am |
What a fucking idiot.
@FurlingtonJeff @viciousbabushka @FACTSoverFEELS or someone who owns a gun store ?Or someone who builds guns? They are all equally qualified
— #1Infidel (@makeliberalscry) June 19, 2015
15 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 9:49:09am |
re: #13 HappyWarrior
I don’t want to live in a country where everyone feels the need to be armed everywhere and at all times. I mean it. I’d move to Europe or Canada if our country ever became like that.
In Germany (where the police have killed all of eight people in the past two years) they are considering introducing police cameras to help prevent violence against policemen.
16 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:49:14am |
Want a gun for self-protection at home? Sure, go for it but please if you have children keep them out of their reach or whims.
Want to go hunting on the weekends with your buds since you enjoy hunting? Sure knock yourself out.
Enjoy target shooting as a hobby? Go for it.
But need a gun with you while you’re in church, school, at the bar, your daughter’s ballet recital, son’s high school graduation, etc. Get a grip.
17 | SteveMcGaziBolaGate Jun 19, 2015 9:49:38am |
The problem isn’t the people without guns. The problem is the people with guns.
19 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:50:36am |
re: #14 The Vicious Babushka
What a fucking idiot.
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Building guns or owning a store that sells guns does not qualify you for stressful situations. Being able to use a gun is one thing. I am sure with the right training even I could be a decent shot in a vaccum but what separates professionals like Jeanne and the average fucker like is that she is trained to handle stressful situations. Your average gun fuck yahoo isn’t for that.
20 | #FergusonFireside Jun 19, 2015 9:50:55am |
Ya’ll, the NAACP / Cornel Brooks, just gave a kick ass speech. Hope you caught it.
21 | Feline Fearless Leader Jun 19, 2015 9:50:58am |
re: #18 Varek Raith
Welcome to America.
Unless you’re a foreigner looking for a job. In that case, get out!
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22 | Eclectic Cyborg Jun 19, 2015 9:51:14am |
It’s pretty telling when one of the best and most sensible takes on this situation comes from the host of a COMEDY SHOW!
That bit about the highways being named for Confederate Generals and the part about how do more shit to ourselves than ISIS could ever dream of? FUCKING nailed it!
Think about it: In America, the News shows have become more like Comedy shows and the Comedy shows have been become more like News shows.
I wish I could blast that Stewart rant out to every screen, speaker and monitor in the country because it’s about the best take I’ve heard on the whole situation.
23 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:53:05am |
re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg
It’s pretty telling when one of the best and most sensible takes on this situation comes from the host of a COMEDY SHOW!
That bit about the highways being named for Confederate Generals and the part about how do more shit to ourselves than ISIS could ever dream of? FUCKING nailed it!
Think about it: In America, the News shows have become more like Comedy shows and the Comedy shows have been become more like News shows.
I wish I could blast that Stewart rant out to every screen, speaker and monitor in the country because it’s about the best take I’ve heard on the whole situation.
It made me think and I know you probably have even more of it down in Mississippi about how for years we celebrated Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee on the same day that we celebrated Martin Luther King. Two slaveowners and men who returned captured black Union soldiers to slavery being celebrated equally with the man who arguably did the most for Civil Rights in this country. And this was not the 60’s or even the 80’s, this was the 90’s.
24 | SteveMcGaziBolaGate Jun 19, 2015 9:53:22am |
It’s pathetic how cowardly the tough guys are.
25 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 9:53:57am |
re: #24 SteveMcGaziBolaGate
It’s pathetic how cowardly the tough guys are.
They’re not so tough at all. As I said, real freedom to me is going out knowing that I don’t need to be armed to the teeth and paranoid about the people around me.
26 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 9:54:32am |
re: #11 HappyWarrior
As I said Higgs, I don’t think most of your talking heads who love to talk up guns actually understand guns. I’ll be the first to admit that I myself do not and have only fired a weapon once my whole life but I really do think most of these people like Kilmeade love to talk up guns because that’s the party line.
The words of William Faulkner. Leigh Brackett. and Jules Furthman, in the script for “The Big Sleep,” sum it up for me:
My, my — such a lot of guns around town, and so few brains. You’re the second guy I’ve met today who seems to think a gat in the hand means the world by the tail.
27 | Eclectic Cyborg Jun 19, 2015 9:56:35am |
Ironically enough, my state is the only one in the Union that still has the Confederate Flag in its official state flag:
I still don’t understand a whole lot about the U.S. Civil War, but I find it fascinating how determined some folks are to hold on to that flag as some kind of symbol. I have questions, but I’m afraid to ask them because I figure all I will get are biased answers. I’ve openly wondered whether it is appropriate to take pride in the fact you had a relative who fought and died for the Confederacy.
At this point, I’m convinced I will never fully understand this stuff.
28 | Charles Johnson Jun 19, 2015 9:57:17am |
There’s so much idiocy going on at right wing blogs and media today about Charleston, it’s just mind-boggling.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 19, 2015
29 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 9:59:45am |
When you tell a wingnut that only specially trained professionals (not all police & military have this training) are qualified to take down an active shooter they change the subject.
30 | freetoken Jun 19, 2015 9:59:57am |
31 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:00:38am |
Reporters are now stating that Dylann Roof is in solitary confinement next to Officer Slager, who killed #WalterScott. #CharlestonShooting
— deray mckesson (@deray) June 19, 2015
32 | No Country For Old Haters Jun 19, 2015 10:00:49am |
re: #29 The Vicious Babushka
When you tell a wingnut that only specially trained professionals (not all police & military have this training) are qualified to take down an active shooter they change the subject.
It doesn’t fit their foolish agenda.
33 | Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing Jun 19, 2015 10:01:07am |
The full interview with Malala is also great
(sorry if this has already been posted, just been watching it elsewhere)
34 | Eclectic Cyborg Jun 19, 2015 10:01:13am |
re: #1 Kragar
“Probably wouldn’t have went in if he knew some in the Church were armed.”
This right here shows the man knows nothing about tactics. For me as the shooter, it’s a question of how much damage I can do. Even IF most of the church members are armed, it stands to reason that with the element of surprise, I can still take several out before they’d even have a chance to stop me. Also, by sitting and praying with them for an hour, I have a great opportunity to effectively “case the joint” and determine my best approach, all without revealing myself to them as a “bad guy”.
These people seem to think it’s just to easy for the “Good guys with guns” (tm) to pick out and stop the bad guy.
But here’s the real fucked up thing: Even if someone at that church HAD stopped Roof before Roof killed anyone, THAT person would probably be, at this very moment, dismissed as a “thug” or “gang member” or other variety of criminal. Hell, the police would probably be beating up and charging a black man for murder.
35 | Ace-o-aces Jun 19, 2015 10:01:28am |
When you have to tell people you're not an idiot, you're probably an idiot. #chuckcjohnson @WesleyLowery
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) June 19, 2015
Considering this is CCJ’s lawyer, I’m surprised he didn’t say what is IQ was.
36 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:02:18am |
re: #30 freetoken
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EW Jackson: Charleston Shooting Result Of Anti-Christian Climate Created By Gays, Obama
Ladies and Gentlemen, the 2013 Virginia Republican nominee for Lt Governor.
37 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:03:12am |
re: #32 No Country For Old Haters
It doesn’t fit their foolish agenda.
HURR HURR U THINK EVERYBODY AT THAT CHURCH SHOULD OF JUST LAY DOWN & DIED!!!! IS THAT WHAT U THINK LIBTARD!!!!!
HURR HURR U KNOW WHO TEH TRAINED PROFESSIONALS WERE LIBTARD!!! TEH SS WAS TEH TRAINED PROFESSIONALS HURR HURR!!!!!
38 | No Country For Old Haters Jun 19, 2015 10:03:29am |
re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg
With the element of surprise you can chain the doors and torch the place. Guns can’t save anyone from a determined enemy.
39 | Ace-o-aces Jun 19, 2015 10:04:01am |
re: #36 HappyWarrior
Ladies and Gentlemen, the 2013 Virginia Republican nominee for Lt Governor.
You sure where quick to blame teh gays though. @ewjacksonsr
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) June 19, 2015
40 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 10:04:10am |
re: #30 freetoken
EW Jackson: Charleston Shooting Result Of Anti-Christian Climate Created By Gays, Obama
Despite Roof’s Rhodesian and SA flag patches, his statements that he hated blacks and wanted to kill them.
Denial is strong in this one, Obi-Wan…
41 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:04:59am |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
Senate Majority Leader Calls for Passage of Gun Control
Now that would boggle my mind. Lamentably, the things you mentioned have become business as usual. Social media and blogs empower everyone impartially.
42 | Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing Jun 19, 2015 10:05:11am |
Charleston shooting suspect Dylann Roof told police he “almost didn’t” kill nine people at Emanuel AME Church Wednesday night “because everyone was so nice” to him, according to a report in NBC News. Eventually, though, Roof decided he had to “go through with his mission.”
Report: Roof Almost Abandoned Shooting “Because Everyone Was So Nice”
43 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jun 19, 2015 10:05:50am |
re: #29 The Vicious Babushka
When you tell a wingnut that only specially trained professionals (not all police & military have this training) are qualified to take down an active shooter they change the subject.
This why EVERYONE must be required to own gunz and take shooting lessons and be expert shooters!!!!1
44 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:06:04am |
re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg
Ironically enough, my state is the only one in the Union that still has the Confederate Flag in its official state flag:
I still don’t understand a whole lot about the U.S. Civil War, but I find it fascinating how determined some folks are to hold on to that flag as some kind of symbol. I have questions, but I’m afraid to ask them because I figure all I will get are biased answers. I’ve openly wondered whether it is appropriate to take pride in the fact you had a relative who fought and died for the Confederacy.
At this point, I’m convinced I will never fully understand this stuff.
It is a little complicated since family lore is so much. Tales get passed down from generation to generation about how great great granddad fought bravely against the Yankee invader. And honestly it’s hard even for me to be too hard on those people even if I find their cause disgusting. What truly bothers me is the attempts to white wash the history, i.e. claiming the war was not about slavery when the facts show when the war was actually going on that they explicitly said it was about slavery, plus there’s also the hypocrisy of the CSA government which thought they themselves had a right to secede from the Union but put down secessionist movements within the CSA, and perhaps the grandest scam of all (blaming Lincoln for the war). Lincoln wasn’t even president when most of the states of the CSA seceded.
45 | piratedan Jun 19, 2015 10:06:06am |
re: #39 Ace-o-aces
because they’re so busy inventing some new ones, those facts aren’t quite ready yet, they have to be passed through the appropriate focus groups
46 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jun 19, 2015 10:06:26am |
re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing
Report: Roof Almost Abandoned Shooting “Because Everyone Was So Nice”
But then he remembered gay marriage and how Obama hates Christians and …..
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47 | Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jun 19, 2015 10:07:17am |
re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Despite Roof’s Rhodesian and SA flag patches, his statements that he hated blacks and wanted to kill them.
Denial is strong in this one, Obi-Wan…
Those flag patches, and probably the shooting itself, are false flag, but killings result of gay tyranny and Obama.
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48 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:07:55am |
Jeb Bush: 'I Don't Know' If Charleston Shooting Was Racially Motivated @TPM http://t.co/Zt7LQg36Ka
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 19, 2015
49 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:08:08am |
re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
This why EVERYONE must be required to own gunz and take shooting lessons and be expert shooters!!!!1
Just like taking art lessons will make you an artist.
50 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:08:49am |
re: #39 Ace-o-aces
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Yeah he really really hates gay people. I am still furious that he got a higher percentage of the vote here than Creigh Deeds did running for governor. I am in hindsight grateful that Va has its elections in odd years because I really think we would have a GOP governor (Cuccinnelli) today if our election had been in 2014.
51 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 10:09:44am |
re: #44 HappyWarrior
They like to remind you that most CSA soldiers did not even own slaves but neglect to mentioned that anyone who owned more than 10 slaves was exempt from military service, he had to stay home and tend to his chattels (and protect the womenfolk from them).
52 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:09:51am |
re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg
Ironically enough, my state is the only one in the Union that still has the Confederate Flag in its official state flag:
I still don’t understand a whole lot about the U.S. Civil War, but I find it fascinating how determined some folks are to hold on to that flag as some kind of symbol. I have questions, but I’m afraid to ask them because I figure all I will get are biased answers. I’ve openly wondered whether it is appropriate to take pride in the fact you had a relative who fought and died for the Confederacy.
At this point, I’m convinced I will never fully understand this stuff.
Only a minority of Southerners actually owned slaves but, like the 1% of today, they manipulated the rest of the white population into fighting and dying for them, while they themselves stayed out of the battlefield.
53 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 10:10:49am |
re: #48 The Vicious Babushka
Jeb Bush: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Charleston Shooting Was Racially Motivated
yep, seems that Dubya really is the smarter of the two…
54 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:11:10am |
re: #48 The Vicious Babushka
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Oh really Jeb. And they call you the “smart” Bush brother. God this is a really bad dream. It’s like Republicans are just so programmed to deny racism these days. You know who the hell would have seen the racism in this? Abraham Lincoln.
55 | Timothy Watson Jun 19, 2015 10:11:10am |
56 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:11:35am |
re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
They like to remind you that most CSA soldiers did not even own slaves but neglect to mentioned that anyone who owned more than 10 slaves was exemp from military service, he had to stay home and tend to his chattels (and protect the womenfolk from them).
It was a typical poor man fighting a rich man’s war.
57 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:11:57am |
re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
yep, seems that Dubya really is the smarter of the two…
Ha! Great minds.
58 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:12:12am |
re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
yep, seems that Dubya really is the smarter of the two…
Looks like Ma Bush threw a bad litter.
59 | Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing Jun 19, 2015 10:12:24am |
re: #44 HappyWarrior
And honestly it’s hard even for me to be too hard on those people even if I find their cause disgusting.
I grew up in Texas and lived in SC for five years before moving to the People’s Republic of Illinois (thanks, Chicago!), and I have no problem condemning everyone who has one of those stars and bars emblems. Fuck ‘em. You can’t bother to read up, learn the truth, you deserve all the shame heaped upon you.
60 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 10:12:49am |
re: #56 HappyWarrior
It was a typical poor man fighting a rich man’s war.
The Union also allowed rich citizens to buy their way out of service. Which did not prevent Grover Cleveland from going on to be elected President.
Sounds vaguely familiar…
61 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 10:13:23am |
re: #58 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Looks like Ma Bush threw a bad litter.
She just failed to keep them out of politics.
62 | EPR-radar Jun 19, 2015 10:13:24am |
re: #44 HappyWarrior
It is a little complicated since family lore is so much. Tales get passed down from generation to generation about how great great granddad fought bravely against the Yankee invader. And honestly it’s hard even for me to be too hard on those people even if I find their cause disgusting. What truly bothers me is the attempts to white wash the history, i.e. claiming the war was not about slavery when the facts show when the war was actually going on that they explicitly said it was about slavery, plus there’s also the hypocrisy of the CSA government which thought they themselves had a right to secede from the Union but put down secessionist movements within the CSA, and perhaps the grandest scam of all (blaming Lincoln for the war). Lincoln wasn’t even president when most of the states of the CSA seceded.
I agree that family lore relating to ancestors that fought for the CSA need not be trashed without cause. However, the CSA really was one of the worst causes ever. Note that the Confederates went to war because they were pissed off that Lincoln won the election of 1860 and thought the Republicans would interfere with the expansion of slavery into the territories.
63 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:13:34am |
re: #52 The Vicious Babushka
Only a minority of Southerners actually owned slaves but, like the 1% of today, they manipulated the rest of the white population into fighting and dying for them, while they themselves stayed out of the battlefield.
Right. That’s an excellent analogy.
64 | Shiplord Kirel Jun 19, 2015 10:14:36am |
re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg
Ironically enough, my state is the only one in the Union that still has the Confederate Flag in its official state flag:
I still don’t understand a whole lot about the U.S. Civil War, but I find it fascinating how determined some folks are to hold on to that flag as some kind of symbol. I have questions, but I’m afraid to ask them because I figure all I will get are biased answers. I’ve openly wondered whether it is appropriate to take pride in the fact you had a relative who fought and died for the Confederacy.
At this point, I’m convinced I will never fully understand this stuff.
It has to do with the pernicious myth of the “Lost Cause,” a set of falsehoods and distortions that were promoted after the Civil War. Much of this was done in the supposed interest of reconciliation and national unity, but the cost was catastrophic and there is no end in sight. The Lost Cause myth is perhaps most familiar in works like Gone With the Wind, book and movie alike. It is pervasive throughout the south, though, including public school history texts until very recently.
Lost Cause of the Confederacy
The Lost Cause is also intimately intertwined with the rise of militant fundamentalism in the south.
Book Review - Baptized in Blood: The Religion of the Lost Cause, 1865-1920, by Charles Reagan Wilson
65 | Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing Jun 19, 2015 10:14:48am |
I should add that I had ancestors who fought for the CSA. My family was among the poors. I still don’t think it’s right to fly that flag.
66 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:15:10am |
re: #59 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing
I grew up in Texas and lived in SC for five years before moving to the People’s Republic of Illinois (thanks, Chicago!), and I have no problem condemning everyone who has one of those stars and bars emblems. Fuck ‘em. You can’t bother to read up, learn the truth, you deserve all the shame heaped upon you.
I hear ya. It’s just hard for me to sell someone flat out that their great great grandfather fought for a treasonous and evil cause. Now if someone waves the CSA flag, I am right there with you with the condemning.
67 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:16:15am |
re: #62 EPR-radar
I agree that family lore relating to ancestors that fought for the CSA need not be trashed without cause. However, the CSA really was one of the worst causes ever. Note that the Confederates went to war because they were pissed off that Lincoln won the election of 1860 and thought the Republicans would interfere with the expansion of slavery into the territories.
We 110% agree.
68 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:16:34am |
re: #64 Shiplord Kirel
It has to do with the pernicious myth of the “Lost Cause,” a set of falsehoods and distortions that were promoted after the Civil War. Much of this was done in the supposed interest of reconciliation and national unity, but the cost was catastrophic and there is no end in sight. The Lost Cause myth is perhaps most familiar in works like Gone With the Wind, book and movie alike. It is pervasive throughout the south, though, including public school history texts until very recently.
Lost Cause of the Confederacy
The Lost Cause is also intimately intertwined with the rise of militant fundamentalism in the south.
Book Review - Baptized in Blood: The Religion of the Lost Cause, 1865-1920, by Charles Reagan Wilson
Well I know what I am reading next after I finish my book on Thomas Meagher.
69 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:16:56am |
re: #52 The Vicious Babushka
Only a minority of Southerners actually owned slaves but, like the 1% of today, they manipulated the rest of the white population into fighting and dying for them, while they themselves stayed out of the battlefield.
Roughly 6% of the population owned slaves, with 3% owning the majority of them. “It’s a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight,” was a commonly held belief among southern recruits.
70 | Feline Fearless Leader Jun 19, 2015 10:17:22am |
re: #64 Shiplord Kirel
It has to do with the pernicious myth of the “Lost Cause,” a set of falsehoods and distortions that were promoted after the Civil War. Much of this was done in the supposed interest of reconciliation and national unity, but the cost was catastrophic and there is no end in sight. The Lost Cause myth is perhaps most familiar in works like Gone With the Wind, book and movie alike. It is pervasive throughout the south, though, including public school history texts until very recently.
Lost Cause of the Confederacy
The Lost Cause is also intimately intertwined with the rise of militant fundamentalism in the south.
Book Review - Baptized in Blood: The Religion of the Lost Cause, 1865-1920, by Charles Reagan Wilson
Southern chivalry ground down by Grant the Butcher and his hordes of immigrant Irish and Germans.
:p
71 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:18:09am |
re: #65 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing
I should add that I had ancestors who fought for the CSA. My family was among the poors. I still don’t think it’s right to fly that flag.
Oh no doubt. I was just saying it would be hard for me to condemn you if you had been brought up hearing stories passed down from generation to generation about those forefathers. Let me clear, the CSA flag has no place in modern society and it definitely does not belong flying over our state capitols for damn sure.
73 | Kryptik Jun 19, 2015 10:18:58am |
And the surprise of no one but the despair of many (including myself), we as a country seem prepared to either learn nothing from this or learn the exact wrong lessons, because accepting the idea that racism is a real thing and leads to dangerous, eliminationist things is just too scary and impossible to consider coming from a nice white majority.
This country is fucking racist to its core, and every fucking day convinces me even further. The right wing and the GOP truly fucking own this country from top to bottom and it’s not even close.
74 | Feline Fearless Leader Jun 19, 2015 10:19:22am |
re: #72 De Kolta Chair
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How much is that particular Jewish folk hippie scribble worth?
75 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:19:29am |
re: #70 Feline Fearless Leader
Southern chivalry ground down by Grant the Butcher and his hordes of immigrant Irish and Germans.
:p
And my German great great grandfather.
76 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:19:39am |
re: #69 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Roughly 6% of the population owned slaves, with 3% owning the majority of them. “It’s a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight,” was a commonly held belief among southern recruits.
There was this thing called the “20 n[Clang!] Law” that allowed an owner of 20 or more human beings to be exempt from the CSA army so he could stay at home and “protect the white women”
77 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 10:20:08am |
re: #66 HappyWarrior
I hear ya. It’s just hard for me to sell someone flat out that their great great grandfather fought for a treasonous and evil cause. Now if someone waves the CSA flag, I am right there with you with the condemning.
There is the difference between the valor and honor of individuals who misguidedly believed they were doing the right thing and cynical, exploitative leaders who knew exactly what they were doing.
78 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:21:43am |
re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
There is the difference between the valor and honor of individuals who misguidedly believed they were doing the right thing and cynical, exploitative leaders who knew exactly what they were doing.
Exactly and as I brought up yesterday the reason why the CSA flag flies in Southern capitols today is not because of “pride”, it was a direct response to the Civil Rights movement in the 50’s.
79 | Ace-o-aces Jun 19, 2015 10:22:55am |
Nothing says “Presidential” like quoting a gangster's rationalization of murder from “The Godfather”. @realDonaldTrump @AsherLangton
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) June 19, 2015
80 | Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing Jun 19, 2015 10:23:35am |
re: #71 HappyWarrior
Oh no doubt. I was just saying it would be hard for me to condemn you if you had been brought up hearing stories passed down from generation to generation about those forefathers. Let me clear, the CSA flag has no place in modern society and it definitely does not belong flying over our state capitols for damn sure.
I think I’d warrant your condemnation if I was still clinging to that symbol of hatred. It’s not hard for me to honor my ancestors’ service as “what they thought they had to do” and yet still realize it was a stupid cause and I want nothing to do with it. I think we’re mostly in agreement, I just don’t want anyone to think such ppl, who ignore history and won’t even research the facts, deserve less condemnation. :)
81 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 10:24:23am |
re: #79 Ace-o-aces
Out of hundreds of deals & transactions, I have used the bankruptcy laws a few times to make deals better. Nothing personal, just business.
So he is telling us that he is prepared to use existing laws to stave off US bankruptcy? Genius, pure genius!!!
82 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:26:26am |
re: #80 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing
I think I’d warrant your condemnation if I was still clinging to that symbol of hatred. It’s not hard for me to honor my ancestors’ service as “what they thought they had to do” and yet still realize it was a stupid cause and I want nothing to do with it. I think we’re mostly in agreement, I just don’t want anyone to think such ppl, who ignore history and won’t even research the facts, deserve less condemnation. :)
We’re in violent agreement as they say heh. But yeah it infuriates me that they won’t even research the facts. Here’s another interesting fact though. Every state in the union sent volunteers to protect it. Even Mississippi and South Carolina.
83 | SteveMcGaziBolaGate Jun 19, 2015 10:29:33am |
re: #48 The Vicious Babushka
Papa George would never have said that.
84 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:30:10am |
re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
So he is telling us that he is prepared to use existing laws to stave off US bankruptcy? Genius, pure Genius!!!
Has Trump filed with the FEC or is he just running his mouth organ again?
85 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:30:38am |
Dana keeps derping HURR HURR IT WAS ALREADY ILLEEAGLE FOR HIM TO HAV TEH GUN!!!! while glossing over HOW INSANELY FUCKING EASY it is to obtain a gun.
ICYMI: The ineligibility of thug Roof to legally buy, carry, own a firearm http://t.co/uRapZ5Apad
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) June 19, 2015
86 | Jenner7 Jun 19, 2015 10:32:17am |
Update: Charleston PD deny Roof said he wanted to start a “race war” http://t.co/rO1VzBG0R7 #CharlestonShooting pic.twitter.com/HFQMhdAlFg
— SPLC (@splcenter) June 19, 2015
87 | Shiplord Kirel Jun 19, 2015 10:32:42am |
Like many Appalachian mountain people, my ancestors were Unionists. Internal opposition to the Confederacy was concentrated in the hills for a lot of reasons. There were few slaves in the hills and the hill people had always resented the arrogant lowland planter class and their pretentious ways. It reached the point of violence and open insurrection at times.
The Unionists were given short shrift in history, all in the name of reconciling the former secessionists, and are vilified as “scalawags” and opportunists in the Lost Cause myth.
I have suspected that the social marginalization and vilification of “hillbillies” might be rooted in anger at their pro-Union leanings during the
Civil War. This needs more research but there is little indication of such a well-defined prejudice against hill people before the Civil War. As in most rigidly hierarchical societies, the poor were held in abject contempt everywhere in the south and this makes a specific hillbilly prejudice hard to sort out. It is very clear in the late 19th and throughout the 20th century however.
88 | Jenner7 Jun 19, 2015 10:33:23am |
JUST IN: Police chief: Cincinnati officer killed in shootout with suspect: http://t.co/Rmg0nLjStt - @WCPO pic.twitter.com/yEUgn2sMGm
— ABC News (@ABC) June 19, 2015
89 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:33:44am |
re: #85 The Vicious Babushka
Dana keeps derping HURR HURR IT WAS ALREADY ILLEEAGLE FOR HIM TO HAV TEH GUN!!!! while glossing over HOW INSANELY FUCKING EASY it is to obtain a gun.
Would it be worth your while to ask Dana what she thinks should be done to make sure that the existing laws are more thoroughly enforced?
90 | Eventual Carrion Jun 19, 2015 10:34:40am |
re: #2 HappyWarrior
I’m going to miss Jon when he steps down. He’s one of the funniest people out there but he’s also one of the best in tragedy too. To paraphrase him, the CSA flag flies over South Carolina’s capitol and the roads are named for Confederate generals and white people are worried about losing their country? ISIS. Al Queda, they’re not shit when we consider the damage that we do to each other. And he’s sadly right.
And consider ISIS and al Queda do much of their terror to their fellow citizens and Muslims.
91 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:35:33am |
re: #89 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Would it be worth your while to ask Dana what she thinks should be done to make sure that the existing laws are more thoroughly enforced?
I do not engage Dana directly because the last time I did my timeline was swarmed by Danabots.
92 | gwangung Jun 19, 2015 10:36:56am |
@BU_Tweets @DeanElmore This can't be swept under the rug #WHOATBU pic.twitter.com/jBa9OjiAQH
— David José Castillo (@DavJCastillo) June 19, 2015
93 | Charles Johnson Jun 19, 2015 10:36:59am |
By the way, Chuck’s lawsuit against Gawker has apparently still NOT been filed in Missouri.
See: courts.mo.gov
You can search in various ways; I used the info from that petition document (21st Judicial Circuit - Charles C. Johnson) and nothing turns up.
94 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:37:16am |
STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
deepcow: RT DataGenesis: MT jstines3: Yeah, LIBs, tell us again how Obama is SO SMART! #TCOT pic.twitter.com/S4TQU0lBB2 #WakeUpAmerica #PJNET
— Sir_Max (@Sir_Max) June 19, 2015
95 | Feline Fearless Leader Jun 19, 2015 10:38:24am |
re: #93 Charles Johnson
By the way, Chuck’s lawsuit against Gawker has apparently still NOT been filed in Missouri.
See: courts.mo.gov
You can search in various ways; I used the info from that petition document (21st Judicial Circuit - Charles C. Johnson) and nothing turns up.
I guess that filing and Trump’s with the FEC will occur at the same time.
96 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:38:52am |
BTW don’t engage “Sir_Max” it’s just a bot that RTs random memes posted to #tcot
97 | Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing Jun 19, 2015 10:39:58am |
98 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:40:19am |
re: #90 Eventual Carrion
And consider ISIS and al Queda do much of their terror to their fellow citizens and Muslims.
That’s because not enough people in the ME are armed. Guns are hard to get there, sometimes you have to walk hundreds of yards to find one.
100 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:42:14am |
101 | Ian G. Jun 19, 2015 10:43:11am |
By NRA logic, the more heavily armed a society is, the more peaceful it should be. So what’s the most armed-to-the-teeth society in the world? Yemen (pretty sure about this, but maybe double check). You know, the same Yemen in the midst of a civil war that now includes a brutal blockade by Saudi Arabia.
So much fail by the NRA.
102 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:43:29am |
re: #90 Eventual Carrion
And consider ISIS and al Queda do much of their terror to their fellow citizens and Muslims.
Absolutely. I think many Americans especially those who hate Muslims don’t realize that ISIS and Al Queda have killed far more Middle Eastern and South Asian(Afghanistan is not Arab/ME) Muslims than Americans.
103 | Franklin Jun 19, 2015 10:43:44am |
104 | Shiplord Kirel Jun 19, 2015 10:45:46am |
re: #94 The Vicious Babushka
STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
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Flying the F-102 Delta Dagger was no small thing, but it does not in any way qualify one to be president.
105 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:46:17am |
re: #103 Franklin
Yep. Seems to be able to operate one of these as well…
Obama is such a failure. Man it stings me though thinking about what Obama would do with a Congress led by people who respect him as a man.
106 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 19, 2015 10:46:24am |
re: #104 Shiplord Kirel
Flying the F-102 Delta Dagger was no small thing, but it does not in any way qualify one to be president.
Assuming you show up for training in the first place…
107 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:47:30am |
re: #104 Shiplord Kirel
Flying the F-102 Delta Dagger was no small thing, but it does not in any way qualify one to be president.
Absolutely. I think I read somewhere that Einstein never learned to drive a car. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a brilliant scientist. And besides I doubt Reagan knew how to fly a plane either. I won’t knock W’s service but this meme is lame sauce.
108 | Dr. Matt Jun 19, 2015 10:48:02am |
re: #97 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing
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I don’t see a problem here.
The pixels are all different sizes!!!!
109 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:48:04am |
re: #104 Shiplord Kirel
Flying the F-102 Delta Dagger was no small thing, but it does not in any way qualify one to be president.
Two-term President Chuck Yeager has been forgotten already.
110 | GlutenFreeJesus Jun 19, 2015 10:48:21am |
As of July 1, sawed-off shotguns will be legal in Indiana. Smh.
111 | Feline Fearless Leader Jun 19, 2015 10:48:54am |
re: #97 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing
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I don’t see a problem here.
They’re not all packing guns and thus are very vulnerable to just any gunman walking in and killing them all.
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112 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:50:22am |
re: #109 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Two-term President Chuck Yeager has been forgotten already.
Audie Murphy’s presidency was uneventful. I mean it’s obviously a great skill to be able to fly one of those bad boys but where it qualifies you to be president I am missing. Hell Obama could be without his driver’s license and it wouldn’t be an issue to me.
113 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 10:51:32am |
re: #110 GlutenFreeJesus
As of July 1, sawed-off shotguns will be legal in Indiana. Smh.
The perfect sporting arm.
114 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:54:11am |
I still contend that tattoo artists are not only some of the coolest people you meet but nicest on another note.
115 | subterraneanhomesickalien Jun 19, 2015 10:56:03am |
re: #101 Ian G.
Its a very Utopian way of thinking isn’t it?
116 | subterraneanhomesickalien Jun 19, 2015 10:57:39am |
re: #114 HappyWarrior
I’d imagine you must be rather nice, if you are to make a beautiful young woman feel comfortable enough to let you put a tattoo on her upper thigh.
117 | blueraven Jun 19, 2015 10:58:38am |
To those people who, EVERY SINGLE TIME, start up with the bullshit…I dont see how a law could have prevented this particular gun crime.
I say: Just stop that!
Should we not have seat belt laws, speed limits, drunk driving laws, texting while driving laws, child safety seats and so on? Should we not continue to improve on auto and highway safety?
No. One law will not prevent the madness of gun violence. But if we close the gun show loophole, make every single gun purchase…no exceptions, be subject to a background check. Hold adults accountable when children gain easy access to their guns. Require gun owners to take at least a minimal safety course. Require a license and make it renewable just like drivers licenses, limit high capacity ammo sales…And back it all up with hefty fines and or jail time.
Pair this with incentives for innovative safety features by gun manufactures, a strong national PA campaign then maybe, just maybe we could slow this shit down.
It worked to curb the rate of automobile related deaths, it can work for gun deaths too.
118 | Ace-o-aces Jun 19, 2015 10:58:55am |
re: #85 The Vicious Babushka
Dana keeps derping HURR HURR IT WAS ALREADY ILLEEAGLE FOR HIM TO HAV TEH GUN!!!! while glossing over HOW INSANELY FUCKING EASY it is to obtain a gun.
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I notice she has taken pains to use the “t-word” to describe Roof.
SEE LIBTARDS! I USE THE SAME WORD TO DESCRIBE A WHITE MURDERER AS I DO AN UNARMED BLACK TEEN! SO NOW YOU CAN’T CALL ME RACIST!!!!!!!
119 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:59:16am |
re: #116 subterraneanhomesickalien
I’d imagine you must be rather nice, if you are to make a beautiful young woman agree to let you put a tattoo on her upper thigh.
Haha, touche but seriously I just keep on thinking about how judgmental some people are when it comes to tats and stuff and I keep on thinking about how cool everyone I’ve met in the business is. These people really are artists. It’s just a different canvas.
120 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 10:59:53am |
HURR HURR ITS A PHOTOSHOP!!!!!
If it’s a “Photoshop” then it shouldn’t be hard to find the original photo.
Flag patches are very stiff and don’t conform to the folds of a softer garment.
If it actually is a “Photoshop” Dylann himself made it.
@LindaSuhler #GunFreeZone #2A #NRA #GunControl #SisterPatriots #PJNET #tcot pic.twitter.com/GCqrrEQue8
— Werner (@Bruwer_) June 19, 2015
121 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 10:59:55am |
re: #117 blueraven
To those people who, EVERY SINGLE TIME, start up with the bullshit…I dont see how a law could have prevented this particular gun crime.
I say: Just stop that!
Should we not have seat belt laws, speed limits, drunk driving laws, texting while driving laws, child safety seats and so on? Should we not continue to improve on auto and highway safety?
No. One law will not prevent the madness of gun violence. But if we close the gun show loophole, make every single gun purchase…no exceptions, be subject to a background check. Hold adults accountable when children gain easy access to their guns. Require gun owners to take at least a minimal safety course. Require a license and make it renewable just like drivers licenses, limit high capacity ammo sales…And back it all up with hefty fines and or jail time.
Pair this with incentives for innovative safety features by gun manufactures, a strong national PA campaign then maybe, just maybe we could slow this shit down.
It worked to curb the rate of automobile related deaths, it can work for gun deaths too.
Word.
122 | subterraneanhomesickalien Jun 19, 2015 11:01:12am |
I’ve never met an asshole who also happens to be a licensed tattoo artist.
I’ve met very tactless, crass, and often hilarious people that are, but never any assholes.
123 | Ace-o-aces Jun 19, 2015 11:01:26am |
re: #94 The Vicious Babushka
STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
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.@Sir_Max your realize GWB hasn't actually flown a plane since they started requiring drug tests for pilots.
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) June 19, 2015
124 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 11:01:39am |
re: #120 The Vicious Babushka
HURR HURR ITS A PHOTOSHOP!!!!!
If it’s a “Photoshop” then it shouldn’t be hard to find the original photo.
Flag patches are very stiff and don’t conform to the folds of a softer garment.
If it actually is a “Photoshop” Dylann himself made it.[Embedded content]
Wasn’t it found on his own Facebook? As Sergey said, if it’s a photoshop, it’s one he did himself. Furthermore, if one was trying to “smear” him as a racist, one wouldn’t use the Rhodesian regime. They’d use an easy to recognize symbol like the Confederate Flag. Even using the South African Apartheid regime to me shows that Dylann Roof was not just a racist but a student of racist ideology.
125 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 11:02:15am |
re: #123 Ace-o-aces
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Don’t expect an answer from Sir_Max, it’s an auto-retweet bot.
126 | Nyet Jun 19, 2015 11:02:48am |
re: #120 The Vicious Babushka
If it’s a “Photoshop” then it shouldn’t be hard to find the original photo.
The original photo was in his facebook.
127 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 11:03:35am |
re: #123 Ace-o-aces
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And just because you’re smart in one area doesn’t mean you’re going to be in others. And perhaps Obama’s never had a desire to learn how to fly a plane. That doesn’t make him stupid or unintelligent. This is just stupid even for TCOT. Could Reagan fly a plane? I didn’t see anyone on the left using the fact that Reagan could not fly a plane as proof that he was unintelligent.
128 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 11:05:28am |
129 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 11:05:35am |
re: #127 HappyWarrior
And just because you’re smart in one area doesn’t mean you’re going to be in others. And perhaps Obama’s never had a desire to learn how to fly a plane. That doesn’t make him stupid or unintelligent. This is just stupid even for TCOT. Could Reagan fly a plane? I didn’t see anyone on the left using the fact that Reagan could not fly a plane as proof that he was unintelligent.
Case in point: Ben Carson.
130 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 11:06:41am |
re: #129 The Vicious Babushka
Case in point: Ben Carson.
Yeah being a world renowned neuro-surgeon doesn’t qualify you to be president. It’s an admirable accomplishment and career he’s had but it doesn’t qualify him to be president and boy does he ever show it.
132 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 11:07:03am |
WHUT, this fake eye socket thing again
What does it mean when the @WashingtonPost publishes this article with NO FACTUAL evidence? pic.twitter.com/Lnw0fQ0kqt
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) June 19, 2015
133 | jaunte Jun 19, 2015 11:08:48am |
re: #120 The Vicious Babushka
GNU-LINUX EDGE DETECT reveals he’s still a racist murderer.
134 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 11:08:54am |
Amuses me that people are seriously claiming the patches are shopped. Really if I were to smear someone as a Communist sympathizer which of these two would I use.
OR
135 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 11:09:36am |
re: #132 The Vicious Babushka
WHUT, this fake eye socket thing again
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Well the eye bone’s connected to the head bone,
And the head bone’s connected to the neck bone…
136 | Nyet Jun 19, 2015 11:09:39am |
re: #132 The Vicious Babushka
WHUT, this fake eye socket thing again
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Well, King chose to bring up the ancient article for some reason.
137 | blueraven Jun 19, 2015 11:09:40am |
re: #120 The Vicious Babushka
HURR HURR ITS A PHOTOSHOP!!!!!
If it’s a “Photoshop” then it shouldn’t be hard to find the original photo.
Flag patches are very stiff and don’t conform to the folds of a softer garment.
If it actually is a “Photoshop” Dylann himself made it.[Embedded content]
This is just so stupid. He is an admittedly proud racist. Who are these people trying to fool? Themselves, I reckon. Nobody else is buying it.
138 | Shiplord Kirel Jun 19, 2015 11:10:41am |
re: #109 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Two-term President Chuck Yeager has been forgotten already.
If being a great pilot was a qualification for leadership, Eric “Winkle” Brown would be King and Prime Minister of the UK and Emperor of all Europe.
Captain Brown is still with us, btw, having celebrated his 96th birthday in January.
139 | Nyet Jun 19, 2015 11:10:57am |
re: #137 blueraven
This is just so stupid. He is an admittedly proud racist. Who are these people trying to fool? Themselves, I reckon. Nobody else is buying it.
Aside from the tens of millions who think he attacked them because they were Christians.
140 | No Country For Old Haters Jun 19, 2015 11:11:07am |
141 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 11:12:17am |
re: #139 Nyet
Aside from the tens of millions who think he attacked them because they were Christians.
i don’t think one Republican candidate for president has said what this was yet. Santorum, Graham, and now Bush have either claimed it was an attack on Christians or they “don’t know” if it was racially motivated.
142 | Eventual Carrion Jun 19, 2015 11:12:23am |
re: #110 GlutenFreeJesus
As of July 1, sawed-off shotguns will be legal in Indiana. Smh.
Need to be able to hide it under a trench coat. That way the bunnies and squirrels don’t see you coming with it during small game season.
143 | ramex Jun 19, 2015 11:12:36am |
Stewart is 100% correct. The confederacy absolutely lives and breathes in South Carolina. The confederacy has insinuated itself deeply into right wing culture. I’ve felt for too long now that the war was never won.
144 | Dr Lizardo Jun 19, 2015 11:13:05am |
re: #141 HappyWarrior
i don’t think one Republican candidate for president has said what this was yet. Santorum, Graham, and now Bush have either claimed it was an attack on Christians or they “don’t know” if it was racially motivated.
They’re dancing around this as fast as they can. I’m sure they’re hoping that it’ll just go away.
145 | No Country For Old Haters Jun 19, 2015 11:13:51am |
re: #141 HappyWarrior
i don’t think one Republican candidate for president has said what this was yet. Santorum, Graham, and now Bush have either claimed it was an attack on Christians or they “don’t know” if it was racially motivated.
Liars. Every last one of them.
146 | blueraven Jun 19, 2015 11:14:33am |
re: #136 Nyet
Well, King chose to bring up the ancient article for some reason.
Yeah, I don’t understand that tweet at all. Then again, I don’t do twitter, so maybe I am missing some context.
147 | The Vicious Babushka Jun 19, 2015 11:14:49am |
The designer of the confederate flag describes its meaning as “a heaven ordained supremacy of the white man.” pic.twitter.com/iOBg5OUwo7
— Bipartisan Report (@Bipartisanism) June 19, 2015
149 | Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing Jun 19, 2015 11:16:47am |
The worst part of Photoshop is that it means people can discount any photographic evidence.
150 | HappyWarrior Jun 19, 2015 11:17:16am |
re: #147 The Vicious Babushka
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They didn’t really start to deny what they were until it became pretty unfashionable to defend slavery. The Lost Cause really has its origins in the 1880’s after the death of Lee and Jubal Early’s memoirs which pushed Lee and Jackson to Southern sainthood and pushed an equally great general Longstreet to villainy in large part because Longstreet had questioned Lee’s actions at Gettysburg and he became a supporter of the Republicans/Reconstruction and a Catholic too.
151 | Higgs Boson's Mate Jun 19, 2015 11:17:53am |
re: #142 Eventual Carrion
Need to be able to hide it under a trench coat. That way the bunnies and squirrels don’t see you coming with it during small game season.
Good point, but it makes the old carrot-in-the-muzzle trick harder.
152 | Dr. Matt Jun 19, 2015 11:19:27am |
Iowa Supreme Court: Ban on telemed abortion unconstitutional
Iowa’s Supreme Court ruled Friday that Planned Parenthood of the Heartland may keep using its controversial telemedicine-abortion system.
153 | ObserverArt Jun 19, 2015 11:19:33am |
I’ve been reading that St Louis newspaper article on CCJs lawyer.
All I can say is he got representation that truly is representative!
That is if the suit is ever actually filed. Has there been any indication of that yet today…it is getting late on a Friday? Clock’s ticking.
In a way…this song explain little Chucky’s current plight…he built that ship, it is of his making. He walks the shore in isolation.
On waves of love my heart is breaking
And stranger still my self control I can’t rely on anymore
New tides surprise - my world it’s changing
Within this frame an ocean swells - behind this smile I know it well
Beneath a lover’s moon I’m waiting
I am the pilot of the storm - adrift in pleasure I may drown
I built this ship - it is my making
And furthermore my self control I can’t rely on anymore
I know why - I know why
Crazy on a ship of fools
Crazy on a ship of fools
Turn this boat around - back to my loving ground
Who claims that no man is an island
While I land up in jeopardy - more distant from you by degrees
I walk this shore in isolation
And at my feet eternity draws ever sweeter plans for me
I know why - I know why
Crazy on a ship of fools
Crazy on a ship of fools
Turn this boat around - back to my loving ground
Oh no, oh no - ship of fools —
And even if it doesn’t explain Chuck…it is a damn fine tune, and one I hadn’t thought of until I read about Chuck and his ship of fools suit.
154 | Feline Fearless Leader Jun 19, 2015 11:20:06am |
re: #151 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Good point, but it makes the old carrot-in-the-muzzle trick harder.
Oh, the carrot is a yum-yum veg-e-table!
I always eat as many as I’m able
To snitch from any stand by some fancy slight of hand
Or to purchase from the grocer…if I’m able!When I chew them, they go crunchy, crunchy, crunch!
As a veg-e-table they’re so good to munch
Oh, I’d rather have a carrot, than a zebra or a parrot
‘Cause a carrot is me very favorite lunch!E h h h h h …
What’s up, Doc? What’s cookin’?
What’s up, Doc? Oh, you’re lookin’
For Bugs Bunny bunting…
Elmer’s gone a-hunting
Just to get a rabbit skin…
Oops! The rabbit’s gone again!
What’s up, Doc? What’s cookin’?
Hey!…Look out!…Stop!
You’re gonna hurt someone
With that old shot-gun!
E h h h h … What’s up, Doc?
155 | No Country For Old Haters Jun 19, 2015 11:21:07am |
re: #149 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing
The worst part of Photoshop is that it means people can discount any photographic evidence.
The same is becoming true of video. It’s way too easy to fake evidence these days.
156 | Tigger2 Jun 19, 2015 11:48:36am |
re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing
Report: Roof Almost Abandoned Shooting “Because Everyone Was So Nice”
That’s just pure sick.