Judge’s Ruling Shows the Sleazy Extent of the Center for Medical Progress Conspiracy

A slimy, dishonest smear campaign revealed
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Planned Parenthood has released the ruling issued by federal Judge William Orrick that prohibits the Center for Medical Progress from releasing videos they obtained illegally at National Abortion Federation meetings, and the document is incredibly revealing. The 42-page judgment describes in detail the CMP’s conspiracy to smear and libel Planned Parenthood for political purposes, with the ultimate goal of banning legal abortion in the United States.

In order to perpetrate their fraud, David Daleiden and his accomplices created fake identities and fake California driver’s licenses, registered a dummy corporation and signed non-disclosure agreements they had no intention of honoring. This was an amazingly sleazy, dishonest operation; by no stretch of the imagination could it be called “investigative journalism.” Journalists who break laws and sign agreements with the intent of breaking them are subject to the same legal penalties as any other US citizen who commits crimes and violates signed agreements.

It’s very clear that Judge Orrick sees the Center for Medical Progress for what it is: a criminal enterprise formed for the express purpose of defrauding and deceiving the public into believing lies about Planned Parenthood and their partners. Here are some excerpts from the injunction:

“I have reviewed those transcripts and recordings and find no evidence of actual criminal wrongdoing. That defendants did not promptly turn over those recordings to law enforcement likewise belies their claim that they uncovered criminal wrongdoing, and instead supports NAF’s contention that defendants’ goal instead is to falsely portray the operations of NAF’s members through continued release of its ‘curated’ videos as part of its strategy to alter the political landscape with respect to abortion and the public perception of NAF’s members.

“Moreover, a report submitted by NAF of an analysis of many of the ‘highlight’ and ‘full’ videos released by CMP concluded that the ‘curated’ or highlight Project videos were ‘misleading’ and suggests that the ‘full’ videos defendants released along with their ‘highlights’ were also edited.

“Defendants engaged in repeated instances of fraud, including the manufacture of fake documents, the creation and registration with the state of California of a fake company, and repeated false statements to a numerous NAF representatives and NAF members in order to infiltrate NAF and implement their Human Capital Project. The products of that Project – achieved in large part from the infiltration – thus far have not been pieces of journalistic integrity, but misleadingly edited videos and unfounded assertions (at least with respect to the NAF materials) of criminal misconduct. Defendants did not – as Daleiden repeatedly asserts – use widely accepted investigatory journalism techniques. Defendants provide no evidence to support that assertion and no cases on point.”

The full ruling:

Scribd Document

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202 comments

1
Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:46:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:48:48am
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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:50:09am

I wish ACORN had been defended half as staunchly. Did the CMP break the law more severely, or did we just learn some lessons last go-around?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:55:18am

re: #3 Testy Toad T

I wish ACORN had been defended half as staunchly. Did the CMP break the law more severely, or did we just learn some lessons last go-around?

O’Keefe used deceptive tactics and dishonest editing in his ACORN sting videos, but he didn’t go as far as the CMP - he didn’t create fake driver’s licenses and sign non-disclosure agreements, etc. The CMP went way over the line into outright criminal acts.

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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:55:24am

The leading Republican candidate for president.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:55:50am

re: #3 Testy Toad T

I wish ACORN had been defended half as staunchly. Did the CMP break the law more severely, or did we just learn some lessons last go-around?

NAF and PP learned something from ACORN. NAF is also a private company, and has the resources that ACORN did not.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:57:13am

re: #1 Kragar

Anti-choice group vows to put spies in every abortion clinic in the country t.co
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) February 10, 2016

Glad they are advertising this. Now health care providers can prepare and implement appropriate measures and more extensive vetting processes.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:00:20am

OT:

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:00:52am

re: #8 ausador

Thus, Trump.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:02:33am

re: #8 ausador

It’s just couched in terms of economics, such as “those ‘others’ are getting something I’m not.”

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:04:43am

Surprisingly, given how anti-abortionism has become such a central plank in what is today’s Republicanism, we haven’t heard much about these films in the last couple of debates.

Fiorina has tried to perpetuate the farce, but no one is listening to her and she’s shut out of the next debate.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:07:21am

The true nature of Donald Trump, through an artist’s eye:

WARNING!
Once seen this cannot be unseen:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:07:47am
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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:08:26am
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nines09  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:08:38am

re: #11 freetoken

Surprisingly, given how anti-abortionism has become such a central plank in what is today’s Republicanism, we haven’t heard much about these films in the last couple of debates.

Fiorina has tried to perpetuate the farce, but no one is listening to her and she’s shut out of the next debate.

Why would they call attention to the fact it was all bogus? That the perps are indicted? That it was all a huge lie? Let some time pass and then jump back on the con.

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:09:12am

‘Afternoon, Lizards.

The Book. Throw it at them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:09:13am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:09:18am

re: #12 freetoken

The true nature of Donald Trump, through an artist’s eye:

WARNING!
Once seen this cannot be unseen:

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Refresh your browser to put it back under cover.

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nines09  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:09:47am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ah. Moderate.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:11:26am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not about to associate Kasich with his priest. I didn’t do it with Barack Obama and Reverend Wright.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:14:18am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

“…this is what the new fascism looks like [his emphasis], all dressed up under the guise of enlightened tolerance, and its sick influence is growing at an alarming rate. We Christians had better wake up and hear the sound of the jackboots. Otherwise our necks will be under them sooner or later. This is very, very disturbing and it is a call for us to be politically vigilant, even as we ask the Lord to forgive these enemies of the cross and to heal them.”

“So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
— Jackboots 7:12

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:14:39am

re: #15 nines09

Why would they call attention to the fact it was all bogus? That the perps are indicted? That it was all a huge lie?

They wouldn’t. They could just spin the whole thing about how PP is doing this or that, without talking about the judge’s ruling or the indictment.

Or, they could spin it as victimizing the Christian warrior who is fighting against evil.

I suspect the reason abortion is not being discussed much is that the RNC management knows that Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and even Bush’s position on abortion is quite a bit out of the mainstream of America. Even if most Americans don’t want late term abortions, a position like Cruz’s is so hardline that it exposes him as a religious fanatic.

And that, as far as politics is concerned, is much worse for selling a candidate, than some activist breaking the law.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:14:58am

re: #11 freetoken

The candidates have largely stayed away from social issues like abortion and marriage equality because they really are losing issues with mainstream America.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:15:10am

re: #20 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m not about to associate Kasich with his priest. I didn’t do it with Barack Obama and Reverend Wright.

This is tricky for me. There’s a difference between quote and policy/theology. If Kasich’s priest said something dumb, I’m not going to hammer it fifty times. If his priest teaches something consistently, if Kasich sticks with the guy then that is absolutely a mark of tacit approval.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:15:16am

re: #20 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m not about to associate Kasich with his priest. I didn’t do it with Barack Obama and Reverend Wright.

Since Kasich took office, he has included Maney in a number of official events. Last year, he appointed him to the Advisory Board of the Governor’s Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. Maney delivered a prayer at Kasich’s presidential campaign kickoff last summer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:18:22am

#IStandWithDavid a horrific hashtag full of unhinged hate and insanity

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:19:27am

re: #20 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m not about to associate Kasich with his priest. I didn’t do it with Barack Obama and Reverend Wright.

I understand that, but I think a potential President should be connected to their religious leader, especially if they claim it as a moral compass for the job.

Now that means doing it in a truthful way, and not to a caricature of a person created to replace what Rev. Wright really was about.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:19:59am

re: #5 Skip Intro

The leading Republican candidate for president.

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That hood of his needs to be white.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:20:25am
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nines09  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:20:48am

re: #22 freetoken

They spin anyway, every day. Just my observation. Carly was shown to be lying. And that never stopped them. This is a bit different. This is proof they fabricated and lied, and it’s about to be shown in a court of law. So if the media actually picks up on it, and has the balls to stop politicians who lie on their shows… yeah. right.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:21:20am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:22:56am
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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:23:16am

Based on the early script version of the play coming out around the same time.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:24:25am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A smug prick that you feel compelled to punch?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:25:50am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like a great primary target /////////.

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nines09  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:25:56am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

So he’s running for the office of Tomás de Torquemada.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:26:32am

re: #36 nines09

So he’s running for the office of Tomás de Torquemada.

You can’t Torquemada anything!

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nines09  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:27:04am

re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

You can’t Torquemada anything!

What is this face he speaks of?

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:28:40am

Shocker!!!

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:29:12am

LOLWUT

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:30:24am

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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What is dead may never die. Vote LUAPNOR ‘16!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:30:33am

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

#IStandWithDavid a horrific hashtag full of unhinged hate and insanity

In your face, fanatics.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:31:38am

re: #39 blueraven

Shocker!!!

//

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I’m sure this will get a lot of mentions on one of MJs Face Book post.

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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:32:03am

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

Goldbugs are goddamn morons. A commodity backed currency would be a failure in 2016.

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nines09  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:32:22am
Come forward and let me lay my hands upon you. Behold my Candleabra!
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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:32:53am

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

MANY HISTORIANS!

Only names one in his article.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:33:54am

re: #46 Kragar

MANY HISTORIANS!

Only names one in his article.

David Barton?
(Forbes won’t let me read the article because I won’t disable the ad blocker)

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:34:51am

I mean, why specifically gold? Why not the Underpants Standard?

1. Collect underpants
2. Go on the Underpants Standard
3. Profit!!!!

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:37:24am

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

David Barton?
(Forbes won’t let me read the article because I won’t disable the ad blocker)

Some Italian from 1995, talking specifically about the gold standard prior to 1914, but not how it would scale into today’s global economy

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:38:06am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

I mean, why specifically gold? Why not the Underpants Standard?

1. Collect underpants
2. Go on the Underpants Standard
3. Profit!!!!

I understand the premise behind using gold, but it won’t work in reality. The premise is that everyone agrees that it’s valuable, and you can’t make more of it. But it shows that these people have a limited reasoning ability.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:38:27am

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

#IStandWithDavid a horrific hashtag full of unhinged hate and insanity

Time to start posting images to that hashtag, I think.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:38:32am

re: #49 Kragar

Some Italian from 1995, talking specifically about the gold standard prior to 1914, but not how it would scale into today’s global economy

Whenever I see the Gold Standard mentioned on Twitter I send out this meme==>

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withak  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:39:16am

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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I’ll wait for the Teve Torbes endorsement before I make up my mind on that.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:41:51am

re: #51 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Dr. Tiller’s killer.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:42:23am

re: #52 The Vicious Babushka

Whenever I see the Gold Standard mentioned on Twitter I send out this meme==>

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Image: GoldlineGlennBeck4.jpg

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:44:05am

Except I’m not feeling the Bern.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:45:41am

re: #56 freetoken

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Except I’m not feeling the Bern.

I scored even with Hillary and Bernie, I just don’t like Bernie all that much.

I won’t vote for him in the primary, but I’ll support whoever ends up being the Democrat candidate

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:46:52am
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:47:38am

re: #54 lawhawk

Dr. Tiller’s killer.

Exactly. Given Daleiden and his cohorts’ level of dishonesty and fanaticism, it’s a perfect opportunity to reiterate who associates themselves with their movement, and the fact that they are more than willing to resort to violent acts to advance their beliefs.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:49:17am

re: #57 Kragar

isidewith.com
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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:50:41am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

The candidates have largely stayed away from social issues like abortion and marriage equality because they really are losing issues with mainstream America.

Maybe on the campaign trail for the most part. But Kasich, while in NH, was getting ready to sign the “defund Planned Parenthood bill” in Ohio, and saying he had all the info (which was wrong.)

Kasich: Yeah, I just think it’s an organization that’s totally discredited itself. And when it comes to…

Q: Was it they that discredited themselves or was it a sting video that’s been discredited?

plunderbund.com

Yeah, his mind was made up and he knew what was up, but, the next week:

Questioner: “Are you embarrassed that Daleiden tricked you, and your stumping to defund Planned Parenthood is based on a lie?”

Kasich: “Who?”

Questioner: “David Daleiden.

Kasich: “I don’t know who that is.”

Questioner: “He was just indicted by the Texas Supreme Court for…”

Kasich (interrupting): “Well I never met the guy. I don’t know anything about him. Yes, sir?”

Another Questioner: “That’s the guy who took the videos that deflated Planned Parenthood. That’s what’s going on.”

Kasich: “Well I don’t know anything about him.”

plunderbund.com

Such informed
Very president
Much moderate

Spit.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:53:36am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Taking credit for “marriage equality”??

I guess it depends upon what is meant by “we” in “We’ve gotten a heck of a lot done…”

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:53:49am

Meanwhile, across the pond… House of Lords cuts costs by no longer printing acts on goat skin

The ancient tradition of printing laws on vellum will come to an end in March after 1,000 years, the House of Lords has confirmed.

Switching from goat and calf skin to archival paper, which can survive for up to 500 years, is expected to save around £80,000 a year.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:55:57am

re: #56 freetoken

Wow, I was 99% #FeelTheBern and 98% #ImWithHer

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:56:09am
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:56:55am

re: #63 De Kolta Chair

Meanwhile, across the pond… House of Lords cuts costs by no longer printing acts on goat skin

Who knows…they may start using a printing press in another hundred years instead of hiring monks to illuminate each manuscript by hand.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:56:59am

re: #56 freetoken

89% with Hillary
88% with Bernie
86% with Green Party Jill Stein…

And then Kasich and the rest of the clown car start at 64%.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:58:36am
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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:00:20pm

Anti-Beyonce Protest Rally Planned Outside of NFL HQ (Feb 16)

“…There is a section of white america that would like to believe that police brutality doesn’t exists, even though black people have been shot in the back, beat, killed, abused by cops for centuries now.

Instead of trying to weed out the crooked cops and correct the problem, they come up with stuff like this.”
blacksportsonline.com

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:01:12pm
“The unnamed organizer writes in the EventBrite description: ” Join us as we demonstrate on the block of the NFL Headquarters building. Are you offended as an American that Beyoncé pulled her race-baiting stunt at the Superbowl? Do you agree that it was a slap in the face to law enforcement? Do you agree that the Black Panthers was/is a hate group which should not be glorified? Come and let’s stand together. Let’s tell the NFL we don’t want hate speech & racism at the Superbowl ever again!”
billboard.com

Sounds a lot like Michelle Malkin.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:01:42pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:02:30pm

This idiot is an insult to idiots and Obama is the lamest dictator ever===>

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:02:37pm

re: #71 Kragar

Why didn’t you @ him….oh yeah, nevermind.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:05:41pm
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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:05:51pm

re: #64 Franklin

Wow, I was 99% #FeelTheBern and 98% #ImWithHer

That’s exactly how I scored.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:06:46pm

re: #56 freetoken

The Hills got it flat out.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:07:57pm

Clearly I’m in the pocket of Big Vagina.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:08:17pm

re: #75 BeachDem

That’s exactly how I scored.

It’s been an interesting 3.5 years since I voted for Rmoney. This is probably how I would have scored in college, but 9/11 put me on the xenophobic hate train to loonyville.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:09:32pm

I like how it says I agree with Trump on “no major issues” yet he’s still there at 19%.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:09:47pm

re: #57 Kragar

I scored even with Hillary and Bernie, I just don’t like Bernie all that much.

I won’t vote for him in the primary, but I’ll support whoever ends up being the Democrat candidate

I’m 97% Bernie, 93% Hillary, 90% Jill Stein (Libertarian?) 55% Kasich

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:10:10pm

re: #69 jaunte

Anti-Beyonce Protest Rally Planned Outside of NFL HQ (Feb 16)

This shit is just pathetic. A friend of mine had a great post yesterday. White America is angry about how Cam Newton handled his press conference but silent on Snyder doing the same when it came to poison water. I am getting really sick of white conservatives and their constant bitching at African-Americans for daring to be upset about issues that effect their community.

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:10:32pm

re: #78 Franklin

It’s been an interesting 3.5 years since I voted for Rmoney. This is probably how I would have scored in college, but 9/11 put me on the xenophobic hate train to loonyville.

Glad you caught the train back to sanity.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:11:25pm
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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:11:55pm

Do they all say “suspended” so they can keep the war chest?

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:12:05pm

She’s done.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:12:15pm

re: #78 Franklin

It’s been an interesting 3.5 years since I voted for Rmoney. This is probably how I would have scored in college, but 9/11 put me on the xenophobic hate train to loonyville.

We all make mistakes. I was 99% with Bernie, 97% with Jill Stein, and 95% with Clinton. The thing is though I’m also a bit of a pragmatist too.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:12:30pm

re: #84 Franklin

Do they all say “suspended” so they can keep the war chest?

That way they can still collect donations to pay bills.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:12:30pm

re: #56 freetoken

The test said I side with Hillary, but the table below shows a stalemate between her and Bernie at 90%.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:12:36pm

So Fiorina and Christie gone.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:12:58pm

re: #88 Nyet

The test said I side with Hillary, but the table below shows a stalemate between her and Bernie at 90%.

That’s not a real surprise to me. They voted together 93% of the time in Congress.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:13:08pm

re: #87 Belafon

That way they can still collect donations to pay bills.

I can’t imagine who would give Carly money at this point.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:13:14pm

re: #84 Franklin

It’s so that they can repay their campaign debts.

Of course, some are more successful at that than others. Newt’s still paying off his debts to vendors from 2012. He still owes vendors $4.5 million. Deadbeat.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:13:29pm

I imagine Kasich was everyone’s number one Republican too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:14:36pm

Oh and by far I scored least with Carson. Thought for sure it might be Cruz. Trump being a little higher than both isn’t a real surprise since his entire platform isn’t batshit but where it is batshit, ti is batshit.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:15:16pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I imagine Kasich was everyone’s number one Republican too.

Nah, he was my 5th.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:16:04pm

So who will benefit from Christie voters? Jeb, Kasich?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:16:10pm

re: #95 Nyet

Nah, he was my 5th.

Jeb higher?

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:16:28pm

re: #61 BeachDem

Maybe on the campaign trail for the most part. But Kasich, while in NH, was getting ready to sign the “defund Planned Parenthood bill” in Ohio, and saying he had all the info (which was wrong.)

Kasich: Yeah, I just think it’s an organization that’s totally discredited itself. And when it comes to…

Q: Was it they that discredited themselves or was it a sting video that’s been discredited?

plunderbund.com

Yeah, his mind was made up and he knew what was up, but, the next week:

Questioner: “Are you embarrassed that Daleiden tricked you, and your stumping to defund Planned Parenthood is based on a lie?”

Kasich: “Who?”

Questioner: “David Daleiden.

Kasich: “I don’t know who that is.”

Questioner: “He was just indicted by the Texas Supreme Court for…”

Kasich (interrupting): “Well I never met the guy. I don’t know anything about him. Yes, sir?”

Another Questioner: “That’s the guy who took the videos that deflated Planned Parenthood. That’s what’s going on.”

Kasich: “Well I don’t know anything about him.”

plunderbund.com

Such informed
Very president
Much moderate

Spit.

It looks like now that Ohio Johnny has got some big attention he is under the process of having the public starting to look what is in his closets, kitchen and bathroom cabinets, in the chair and couch cushions and under the rugs.

I hope people nationally rip his house apart and find all kinds if dickishness that help the people of Ohio understand what kind a creep he is.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:16:47pm

re: #96 blueraven

So who will benefit from Christie voters? Jeb, Kasich?

Hard to say really since Christie polled so low in both states that it’s hard to get an idea where he was getting support from.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:17:00pm

Maybe Carly will join the Center for Medical Progress.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:17:11pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Yes, he’s my first. Then Rubio, Trump, Johnson.

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:17:13pm
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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:17:27pm

Since she’s so passionate about the issue.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:17:31pm

Ding Dong The CENSORED Is Dead!

Bye, Carly! You didn’t get a golden parachute this time!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:18:08pm

re: #101 Nyet

Yes, he’s my first. Then Rubio, Trump, Johnson.

Oh Rubio didn’t even show up in my results.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:18:58pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Did you click “show all candidates”?

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:19:08pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I imagine Kasich was everyone’s number one Republican too.

Not for me.

Jeb! is my bro’.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:19:30pm

I don’t underestimate Kasich at all but he did benefit from a sizable amount of Republican voters in NH describing themselves as moderates. Won’t be like that in SC and many other states.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:19:39pm

So, Carly dropped out. Who gets her one vote? Who’ll seek her endorsement? CMP?

That seems like her only logical move at this point. She’s so heavily invested in those videos, that she might as well go all in on the BS.

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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:20:04pm

re: #85 lawhawk

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She’s done.

About time.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:20:23pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Hard to say really since Christie polled so low in both states that it’s hard to get an idea where he was getting support from.

Yes, but when there is only one percent between 3rd, 4th, and 5th place, and Christie was polling at 7.5%, it matters.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:20:38pm

I also like how so far I’m seeing at most a 4 percent difference in agreement between Bernie and Hillary and yet I see supporters of each one acting like they couldn’t possibly vote for the other in a general election. This country is full of fucking lunatics.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:20:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:21:16pm

re: #106 Nyet

Did you click “show all candidates”?

Yeah see it now. Rubio for me is 21% in between Trump 25% and Fiorina 20%.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:21:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:22:08pm

re: #111 blueraven

Yes, but when there is only one percent between 3rd, 4th, and 5th place, and Christie was polling at 7.5%, it matters.

It does matter. Well I guess my question did Christie really do particularly well with a certain income group, religion,?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:23:08pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

I also like how so far I’m seeing at most a 4 percent difference in agreement between Bernie and Hillary and yet I see supporters of each one acting like they couldn’t possibly vote for the other in a general election. This country is full of fucking lunatics.

As I said, they voted over 90% of the same way in Congress and that’s somewhat because of Bernie voting the way he does on gun issues. The real difference between Clinton and Sanders is style.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:24:29pm
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nines09  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:24:32pm

Completely off topic………..

Fish slaps face of reporter covering storm

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:24:50pm

isidewith.com

95% with Bernie and 94% with Hillary. Not bad.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:25:01pm

re: #118 jaunte

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Someone equipped for microsurgery.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:25:08pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

And stereotyping. “Baggage”.

Of course, the moonbats will represent her as some neocon Goldman Sachs incarnate, while the wingnuts will demonize her as an Israel-hating (remember Suha?) ultra-left witch. And so it goes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:25:43pm

re: #113 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:26:33pm

re: #122 Nyet

And stereotyping. “Baggage”.

Of course, the moonbats will represent her as some neocon Goldman Sachs incarnate, while the wingnuts will demonize her as an Israel-hating (remember Suha?) ultra-left witch. And so it goes.

Yep. Funniest thing though is out there are Stein supporters who insist that Jill is the true progressive and Bernie is a fake.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:27:26pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Yep. Funniest thing though is out there are Stein supporters who insist that Jill is the true progressive and Bernie is a fake.

The only Stein supporter I have met (online) was a 9/11 truther…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:28:20pm

What I don’t like is the idea that Clinton is promising nothing. I think she’s right to tell people to have realistic expectations. It may not be popular to say it but you know what, the last thing I want to see is this sub-generation of younger voters voting excitedly for Bernie and than flipping their shit when he inevitably won’t get his way on an issue. I saw that mistake made by far too many people with Obama and it’s why we have the Republicans controlling Congress today and numerous state legislatures.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:28:44pm

re: #125 Nyet

The only Stein supporter I have met (online) was a 9/11 truther…

Doesn’t shock me. I think I might know one.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:28:46pm

My wingnut cousin supports/ed Carson and Fiorina. Fiorina’s out. Can Carson be far behind?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:28:46pm

I could really go for some Bernie Sandwiches right now.

Youtube Video

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:29:46pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

I could really go for some Bernie Sandwiches right now.

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Video

I prefer mine not berned, thanks.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:29:54pm
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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:30:02pm

In other news, Guernsey’s in NYC is holding an auction of guitars.

About 300 guitars, including instruments associated with Eric Clapton, Elvis Presley and Eddie Van Halen, are heading to a New York City auction.

Also on tap at the Guernsey’s sale Feb. 27 are acoustic guitars from the late 1800s and one played by actor Robert Blake in the film “In Cold Blood.”

Among the top highlights is a 1952 Gibson Super 400 CES 7-string made for the late studio guitarist Tony Mottola that could bring as much as $100,000. Mottola worked with such music greats as Frank Sinatra, Perry Como, Johnny Mathis and Rosemary Clooney.

There are two “In Cold Blood” guitars. One was used by Blake in the role of killer Perry Edward Smith in the 1967 Academy Award-winning movie based on the blockbuster book by Truman Capote, and the other is the actual guitar owned by Smith. They are being offered as one lot with a pre-sale estimate of $150,000 to $200,000.

A yellow-and-black Charvel guitar, customized for Eddie Van Halen in the 1980s, could bring $60,000 to $80,000. The original bill of sale made out to Van Halen is included.

A 1959 Gibson owned by Franny Beecher, the lead guitarist for the rock-and-roll band Bill Haley & His Comets, could fetch $20,000 to $25,000. It’s one of only 57 made in 1959 in the natural finish.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:30:38pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

I also like how so far I’m seeing at most a 4 percent difference in agreement between Bernie and Hillary and yet I see supporters of each one acting like they couldn’t possibly vote for the other in a general election. This country is full of fucking lunatics.

The Hillary-Bernie spread for me is 9 points, favoring the latter. I’m not sure which settings caused that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:30:48pm

So yeah I have no problem with people voting their hearts content for Bernie but at the same time I want them to be smart and not pigheaded if he is nominated and elected and doesn’t get his way. I also do have real concerns about how Bernie views FP and I do think he needs to see societal problems as a whole not just in an economic context. I’m NOT suggesting economic inequality isn’t an issue at all but there are other problems too.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:31:21pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

It does matter. Well I guess my question did Christie really do particularly well with a certain income group, religion,?

Not sure but I would suspect voters who believe Christie is a “moderate” and prefer executive experience to outsiders and senators.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:31:37pm
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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:32:57pm

Feel the bern yet? Maybe you should get it treated? //

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:33:02pm

re: #78 Franklin

It’s been an interesting 3.5 years since I voted for Rmoney. This is probably how I would have scored in college, but 9/11 put me on the xenophobic hate train to loonyville.

So, it was you!

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:33:47pm

re: #96 blueraven

So who will benefit from Christie voters? Jeb, Kasich?

I’m betting Kasich.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:33:55pm

re: #138 ObserverArt

So, it was you!

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I cut my teeth here at LGF (was gm33).

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SROHRH  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:34:10pm

re: #102 wrenchwench
For anyone wondering if this has something to do with Bundys—no. I believe that these are horses belonging to the Portland Police Mounted Patrol Unit.

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:35:23pm

re: #132 lawhawk

In other news, Guernsey’s in NYC is holding an auction of guitars.

The Beecher guitar is the only one I’d be interested in - not to mention the only one that I could remotely afford.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:35:49pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

This shit is just pathetic. A friend of mine had a great post yesterday. White America is angry about how Cam Newton handled his press conference but silent on Snyder doing the same when it came to poison water. I am getting really sick of white conservatives and their constant bitching at African-Americans for daring to be upset about issues that effect their community.

Happy, you know what is really sad? The whole Flint water issue is being seen by so many as a Black and White thing. I bet there are some poorer white folks caught up in the mess too.

It really is about the whole Flint community.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:36:41pm

heh…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:36:43pm

I ended up in a tie between HRC and Bernie. And it told me that “Where Voters Side With You…” is right where I already live.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:36:44pm

re: #135 blueraven

Not sure but I would suspect voters who believe Christie is a “moderate” and prefer executive experience to outsiders and senators.

That sounds right. It’s tough though then to figure since Kasich and Jeb are far from outsiders are you can get.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:37:23pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

My wingnut cousin supports/ed Carson and Fiorina. Fiorina’s out. Can Carson be far behind?

Someone should wake him up and ask.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:37:25pm

re: #132 lawhawk

Pretty! guernseys.com

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:37:29pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

is right where I already live.

Same here, so it’s bullshit, because I’m not in the US ;)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:37:50pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

Happy, you know what is really sad? The whole Flint water issue is being seen by so many as a Black and White thing. I bet there are some poorer white folks caught up in the mess too.

It really is about the whole Flint community.

Exactly. Everyone should be pissed off about this. White, black, everyone should be able to have safe drinking water. The news out of Flint reminded me of the old time industrial cities. And from what I read there’s lots of other cities where this is a problem not just Flint.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:37:51pm

Well, what the hell am I supposed to do with this….

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:38:46pm

re: #141 SROHRH

For anyone wondering if this has something to do with Bundys—no. I believe that these are horses belonging to the Portland Police Mounted Patrol Unit.

Welcome, hatchling.

I’ve never seen a cop horse with an English saddle on. And I’ve seen Portland mounted police. (And heard them harassed with ‘so that’s what happens when they get demoted.’)

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:39:05pm

re: #109 lawhawk

So, Carly dropped out. Who gets her one vote? Who’ll seek her endorsement? CMP?

That seems like her only logical move at this point. She’s so heavily invested in those videos, that she might as well go all in on the BS.

What was her campaign about anyway, other than shrieking about how she’d be Hillary’s worst nightmare?

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:39:17pm

re: #142 makeitstop

There’s a bunch more through the various live auction sites:

liveauctioneers.com

Some of the pricing is affordable (at least to start).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:39:25pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

I ended up in a tie between HRC and Bernie. And it told me that “Where Voters Side With You…” is right where I already live.

Heh I think I got the district right across the river in Maryland. Our NOVA elected Dem Congressmen are more moderate than liberal. The Maryland DC burbs though are more liberal.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:39:47pm

re: #141 SROHRH

For anyone wondering if this has something to do with Bundys—no. I believe that these are horses belonging to the Portland Police Mounted Patrol Unit.

Defiantly not western saddles.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:40:03pm

And by the way, “moderate”, “establishment lane” Rubio says Obama is purposely destroying the country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:40:49pm

re: #151 Dr. Matt

Well, what the hell am I supposed to do with this….

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I don’t even know who I side with because when I clicked on the show results button, it cogitated for a very long time and then took me back to the quiz page to fill out again.
Guess I went with “your other stance” too many times instead of the Yes/No or other canned answers.
I didn’t bother taking the quiz a second time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:40:54pm

re: #153 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What was her campaign about anyway, other than shrieking about how she’d be Hillary’s worst nightmare?

I honestly have no clue. I think Carly revealed how out of depth she was when she bragged about how many votes she got running against Boxer. Well yeah you’re in a large state.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:41:22pm

re: #23 Dr. Matt

The candidates have largely stayed away from social issues like abortion and marriage equality because they really are losing issues with mainstream America.

Or because they’re all so alike on those issues it doesn’t distinguish them from each other.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:43:00pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchling.

I’ve never seen a cop horse with an English saddle on. And I’ve seen Portland mounted police. (And heard them harassed with ‘so that’s what happens when they get demoted.’)

Also couldn’t be related to the Bundy gang because there’s no snow in the photo.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:43:41pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

I also like how so far I’m seeing at most a 4 percent difference in agreement between Bernie and Hillary and yet I see supporters of each one acting like they couldn’t possibly vote for the other in a general election. This country is full of fucking lunatics.

You really are seeing Clinton supporters that wouldn’t vote for Bernie if he is the Dem candidate? Is that in the Twitter world?

I sure wish people really understood politics and all its aspects. But I know I am asking too much. They’ve dumbed down civics and history in our education so much this is the natural outcome…a stupid electorate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:43:56pm

re: #160 sagehen

Or because they’re all so alike on those issues it doesn’t distinguish them from each other.

Yeah there’s not a single pro choice or pro gay marriage GOPer running. Now there are subtle differences. Rubio doesn’t want to completely change the USSC over the decision but he’s just as anti-gay marriage and condescending to gay couples as Cruz is. There’s actually a video of him talking down to a gay New Hampshire man and “Moderate Marco” has the balls to tell the guy “Well if you don’t like it, change the law.” Earth to Rubio bot, they did change the law and your party thinks it’s okay for the Kim Davis’s of the world to not to do their job because they opopse it. Lot of laws I oppose too but I’m not a servant of the state.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:45:44pm

re: #115 Kragar

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After last night, it’s really a race between Cruz and Trump for the position of representing the party’s unbridled id. Rubio’s best hope is the VP slot.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:46:08pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

I also like how so far I’m seeing at most a 4 percent difference in agreement between Bernie and Hillary and yet I see supporters of each one acting like they couldn’t possibly vote for the other in a general election. This country is full of fucking lunatics.

There is only 4% spread when normal people take it. It would be interesting to see what the spread is by a Bernie supported who says they will stay home if Hillary is the nominee. Not just the spread, but I bet the “side with” % for Bernie isn’t 95+%

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:46:25pm

re: #148 De Kolta Chair

Pretty! guernseys.com

Damn. I was expecting cows.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:46:41pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

I like how it says I agree with Trump on “no major issues” yet he’s still there at 19%.

I won’t spend time on something like that, because it will come back with non-zero values for Republican candidates, and I don’t need that irritation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:46:55pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

After last night, it’s really a race between Cruz and Trump for the position of representing the party’s unbridled id. Rubio’s best hope is the VP slot.

I don’t think Rubio’s fragile ego would let him accept that but this could be interesting if the nominee is in fact Trump or Cruz because the establishment is going to push hard for one of theirs to be the VP.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:47:42pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Rubio’s fragile ego would let him accept that but this could be interesting if the nominee is in fact Trump or Cruz because the establishment is going to push hard for one of theirs to be the VP.

Look for Cruz to quickly be dubbed the “establishment” candidate now that he’s the best hope for the party to avoid a Trump nomination.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:48:34pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

Look for Cruz to quickly be dubbed the “establishment” candidate now that he’s the best hope for the party to avoid a Trump nomination.

Yeah true. God this has been nuts so far. It really has been.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:49:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:50:51pm

fivethirtyeight.com
Here’s a good article on 538 about Bernie and what’s to come. Honestly a lot has and for understandable reason been made of Clinton’s struggle with younger voters but not nearly as much ahs been made with how poorly Bernie fares among non-white voters. A crucial difference Obama and Bernie have is that Obama had quite a coalition. It wasn’t just young people and liberals. And let me expand on that a little. The voters Bernie is struggling to get are a crucial part of the Dem base and the article also gets at that Bernie and Clinton even in Bernie’s successful runs in Iowa and New Hampshire being polling even with registered Democrats. That’s another reason why it’s hysterical to suggest that the Democrats are somehow undermining what their base wants. I mean these independent voters, they’re free to vote for who they want but the Democratic base it would seem to me is more partial to Clinton.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:52:04pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

I like how it says I agree with Trump on “no major issues” yet he’s still there at 19%.

You’re both carbon-based life forms. You’re both walking, talking, breathing. You’re both American citizens. You’re both on Twitter.

There’s probably any number of similarities….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:53:18pm

re: #173 sagehen

You’re both carbon-based life forms. You’re both walking, talking, breathing. You’re both American citizens. You’re both on Twitter.

There’s probably any number of similarities….

Trump and I both uh are over 6’0 tall.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:53:38pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:53:48pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

I also like how so far I’m seeing at most a 4 percent difference in agreement between Bernie and Hillary and yet I see supporters of each one acting like they couldn’t possibly vote for the other in a general election. This country is full of fucking lunatics.

To be fair, the real Clinton vs. Sanders difference is not differing positions on the ordinary issues. For everything that is cast as a normal political issue, their positions are nearly the same.

The main difference between the two is in whether or not to confront the US plutocracy head on.

edited to add: I honestly have no idea whether confronting the plutocracy is a good idea at this time or not.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:56:43pm

Okay… :(

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:57:03pm

Dec: “We’ve got such a strong bench! So much choice and diversity!”

Feb: “FUCK!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:57:24pm

re: #177 ausador

Okay… :(

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Goddamnit. (

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:57:55pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Dec: “We’ve got such a strong bench! So much choice and diversity!”

Feb: “FUCK!”

Hahaha seriously.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:59:55pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Hahaha seriously.

Dr. Real Ben Carson is still in the race. He’s excited about the party’s NH primary next month and plans to campaign in the state soon.

//

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:00:23pm

I’m most amused by this notion that Donald Trump isn’t the establishment and is an outsider. Yeah right.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:00:48pm

re: #181 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Dr. Real Ben Carson is still in the race. He’s excited about the party’s NH primary next month and plans to campaign in the state soon.

//

They also have a vampire and robot running too.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:00:56pm

re: #177 ausador

Riding on one of these contraptions is tough enough-riding on one of these with a firearm? I’m surprised it has taken this long for something like this to happen, sad to say.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:01:25pm

The fear is that the GOP might derail aid to fight the Zika virus spreading because some women might opt to abort rather than carry to term given the potential consequences to the developing fetus.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:01:57pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I’m most amused by this notion that Donald Trump isn’t the establishment and is an outsider. Yeah right.

Trump is a member of the ruling class because he’s rich. He is not part of the innermost circle of GOP power brokers.

So whether or not he’s ‘establishment’ depends entirely on the definition of ‘establishment’ being used.

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:03:52pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

To be fair, the real Clinton vs. Sanders difference is not differing positions on the ordinary issues. For everything that is cast as a normal political issue, their positions are nearly the same.

The main difference between the two is in whether or not to confront the US plutocracy patriarchy head on.

FTFMe

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:03:56pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

Trump is a member of the ruling class because he’s rich. He is not part of the innermost circle of GOP power brokers.

So whether or not he’s ‘establishment’ depends entirely on the definition of ‘establishment’ being used.

Yeah very true.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:05:11pm

The Record is reporting that Christie hasn’t officially thrown in the towel on his campaign.

Asked about such reports, a spokeswoman for the Christie campaign, Samantha Smith, said “no decision has been made.”

Wayne MacDonald, who was chairman of Christie’s campaign in New Hampshire, said he and Christie traded text messages this morning but did not discuss whether he would end his bid.

Christie had said he wanted to be the biggest vote-getter among the Republican governors in the race. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Ohio Gov. John Kasich both outperformed Christie.

It’s a bridge he hasn’t crossed yet (or he has, but wants to figure out how it could screw up the rush hour commute for his political opponents).

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:06:47pm

re: #184 Eric The Fruit Bat

Riding on one of these contraptions is tough enough-riding on one of these with a firearm? I’m surprised it has taken this long for something like this to happen, sad to say.

Wonder if he had a beer in the other hand at the time…

Father who wasn’t home but who owned the gun was arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm too.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:07:19pm

Joe Scarborough Bragged About Visiting Trump with Mika to Give Debate Tips

Scarborough talked about calling up Trump after the first Republican presidential debate during a discussion before the New York City nonprofit 92nd Street Y. “I’ve actually called him up, and I’ve said ‘Donald, listen, you need to speak in complete sentences in debates.’ And he goes, ‘I’m up 30 points, Joe,’ and I’m like, ‘Good point, Donald,’” he said to laughter.

He went on to say that he and Morning Joe co-host Mika Bzrezinski actually visited Trump in person after the second debate. “I hope we don’t have reporters here,” Scarborough said, before launching into the story.

Watch below, starting @ 55:56.

Peggy Noonan with Joe Scarborough

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:08:45pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Good point. The US plutocracy is in significant part a patriarchy and also instantiates white supremacy. Patriarchy and white supremacy cannot be regarded as incidental features.

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allegro  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:09:26pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

FTFMe

Me too. I will also add that another biggie for me is down ticket/party support. Without that, policy opinions don’t mean so much since it’s only wind. I also think Hillary is showing superior management with her campaign and there’s the demonstrated interest in actually learning and listening that I’m not seeing in Bernie. These things go beyond style for me even if I tend to agree with Bernie more often on certain policies.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:10:48pm

re: #193 allegro

Me too. I will also add that another biggie for me is down ticket/party support. Without that, policy opinions don’t mean so much since it’s only wind. I also think Hillary is showing superior management with her campaign and there’s the demonstrated interest in actually learning and listening that I’m not seeing in Bernie. These things go beyond style for me even if I tend to agree with Bernie more often on certain policies.

This business of getting stuff done in the down ticket races and putting in your dues for the Democratic party are the main reasons I’m presently siding with Clinton over Sanders.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:11:44pm

re: #193 allegro

Me too. I will also add that another biggie for me is down ticket/party support. Without that, policy opinions don’t mean so much since it’s only wind. I also think Hillary is showing superior management with her campaign and there’s the demonstrated interest in actually learning and listening that I’m not seeing in Bernie. These things go beyond style for me even if I tend to agree with Bernie more often on certain policies.

That is one of the big things that pushed me away from Sanders’ campaign. How the hell am I supposed to take you seriously if you’re not going to work to get other people in the party elected? And yes! Great point about actually learning and listening. I’m probably closer ideology to Bernie than I am Clinton honestly but at the same time I have the Obama/Lincoln mindset where I want various opinions and I am glad to see Clitnon has that too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:12:21pm

re: #194 EPR-radar

This business of getting stuff done in the down ticket races and putting in your dues for the Democratic party are the main reasons I’m presently siding with Clinton over Sanders.

But Hillary is a DINO say the supporters of a man who only just joined the Democratic PArty.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:12:39pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

To be fair, the real Clinton vs. Sanders difference is not differing positions on the ordinary issues. For everything that is cast as a normal political issue, their positions are nearly the same.

The difference between the two is in whether or not to confront the US plutocracy head on.

I guess. I’d phrase it as how one weighs policy idealism vs policy pragmatism. In other words heart vs. head.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:16:25pm

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

I guess. I’d phrase it as how one weighs policy idealism vs policy pragmatism. In other words heart vs. head.

Some would call that settling but I’d call it being aware of the reality we have. I remember how hard that health care debate was for Obama who had much more moderate plans than Sanders did and much more of a friendly Democratic Congress. I’m not by any means suggesting that Clinton not try to improve ACA and nothing to me suggests she’ll just leave it as is but Bernie’s idea seems to me to just start from scratch. I’ll be the first to say it. If I were starting a health care system, I’d be more drawn to Bernie’s way but given our existing situation, I think the Clinton approach is correct. Now if you want to feel otherwise fine.

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:25:02pm

re: #154 lawhawk

There’s a bunch more through the various live auction sites:

liveauctioneers.com

Some of the pricing is affordable (at least to start).

Ya had to go and show me that, didn’t ya? :)

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No Country For Old Haters  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:49:41pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:34:09pm

re: #185 lawhawk

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The fear is that the GOP might derail aid to fight the Zika virus spreading because some women might opt to abort rather than carry to term given the potential consequences to the developing fetus.

This is going to become a doctrinal nightmare.

GOP solution? Don’t have sex.

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SROHRH  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:36:41pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchling.

I’ve never seen a cop horse with an English saddle on. And I’ve seen Portland mounted police. (And heard them harassed with ‘so that’s what happens when they get demoted.’)

I can’t be certain, but they look as if they might be riding with dressage saddles. I’ll have to ask. But the horses don’t wear shoes, they wear boots!

And thank you for the welcome.


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