Overnight Podcast: The Bob & Chez Show, 2/9/16

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Tonight’s program on our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

Big Beautiful Dick: Big Announcement from Bob; The Hilariously Ridiculous GOP Debate; Marco Rubio Crashes and Burns; The New Hampshire Primary; Trump Calls Cruz the P word; Hillary Scolding Millennials; Alex Jones Attacks Bernie Supporters; Best SNL Episode in a Long Time; and much more.

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488 comments
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ObserverArt  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:10:45pm

Over and out. Good comments to a very strange election process with even stranger candidates.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:10:46pm

See you all tomorrow.

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austin_blue  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:11:25pm

Topping tonight’s headlines: Trump busted the polls, getting 35% of the vote when his highest projection was 31%.

Granted, margin of error, but that’s a big number.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:12:20pm

re: #4 austin_blue

Topping tonight’s headlines: Trump busted the polls, getting 35% of the vote when his highest projection was 31%.

Granted, margin of error, but that’s a big number.

That really should scare us all.

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allegro  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:17:08pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

That really should scare us all.

All of the GOP candidates scare me. Doesn’t matter which one gets the nomination. That the top two now are both, I think, really disliked by the majority of Republicans is the best thing to hope for. Maybe they’ll be less interested in voting in November.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:17:59pm

re: #4 austin_blue

Topping tonight’s headlines: Trump busted the polls, getting 35% of the vote when his highest projection was 31%.

Granted, margin of error, but that’s a big number.

Rumors of his demise after Iowa were greatly exaggerated. Can’t say I’m shocked. Donald did get second in iowa and NH is a state without a big RR presence which I think was his undoing in NH.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:18:46pm

re: #6 allegro

All of the GOP candidates scare me. Doesn’t matter which one gets the nomination. That the top two now are both, I think, really disliked by the majority of Republicans is the best thing to hope for. Maybe they’ll be less interested in voting in November.

That is a very good thing. Hopefully it will make them not turn out for the other elections too and we can at the very most really weaken their Congress control too.

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austin_blue  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:19:44pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

That really should scare us all.

I guarantee you it is scaring the fuck out of the Koch brothers. Where is their $1 billion going to go? They unleashed the beast of Big Money and it has been co-opted by a megalomaniac.

The schadenfreude is making me laugh my fucking ass off.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:20:44pm

re: #9 austin_blue

I guarantee you it is scaring the fuck out of the Koch brothers. Where is their $1 billion going to go? They unleashed the beast of Big Money and it has been co-opted by a megalomaniac.

The schadenfreude is making me laugh my fucking ass off.

It’s hilarious to watch. The funniest was seeing Jeb say he wanted to get rid of Citizens United. Awww you loved it when it was helping you out.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:22:48pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Rumors of his demise after Iowa were greatly exaggerated. Can’t say I’m shocked. Donald did get second in iowa and NH is a state without a big RR presence which I think was his undoing in NH.

RR = Religious Right?

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Snarknado!  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:23:00pm

I’ve heard “anyone but Trump” from quite a few Republicans being interviewed. We’ll see how that plays out if he gets the nomination (and really, absent a brokered convention, he looks like The One).

Yes, I have plenty of popcorn — and am likely to guzzle it compulsively as an antidote to terror, when I consider the possibility of a Republican’s winning.

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austin_blue  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:23:25pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

It’s hilarious to watch. The funniest was seeing Jeb say he wanted to get rid of Citizens United. Awww you loved it when it was helping you out.

Exactly. Big Money was the key to success until the proles revolted.

Popcorn!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:23:47pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

RR = Religious Right?

Yeah, sorry. I think ti’s been Trump’s weakness from the start though it didn’t totally ruin him in iowa.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:23:54pm

Johnny probably can’t get a boost from his “win”:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:24:16pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Exactly. Big Money was the key to success until the proles revolted.

Popcorn!

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of jerks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:25:04pm

re: #15 freetoken

Johnny probably can’t get a boost from his “win”:

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Yeah I see Kasich getting even less momentum from this win than Rubio did. Kasich benefited from the fact that the NH Republican electorate is fairly insane as opposed to completely.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:27:10pm

re: #12 Snarknado!

National Racists Online editor Ponnuru, who also dumps stuff for Bloomberg, ponders:

What’s the Anti-Trump Strategy Now?

[…]

Is his support instead about immigration? He certainly did markedly better among the 15 percent of Republicans who picked it — rather than the economy, terrorism or government spending — as their top issue. But he won among the people who picked each of those other issues, too. (A majority of New Hampshire voters said they favored offering legal status to illegal immigrants. Trump won 23 percent of those who favor making this offer.)

[…]

If only Ramesh would read the comments at his own outlet he’d know exactly why Trump is winning.

But that might be expecting too much from Ramesh, who still wants to think that hatred of brown people has no play in the current GOP politics.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:30:07pm

re: #18 freetoken

National Racists Online editor Ponnuru, who also dumps stuff for Bloomberg, ponders:

What’s the Anti-Trump Strategy Now?

If only Ramesh would read the comments at his own outlet he’d know exactly why Trump is winning.

But that might be expecting too much from Ramesh, who still wants to think that hatred of brown people has no play in the current GOP politics.

They just can’t bring themselves to admit that WFB’s race baiting in the 60’s is a big reason why the GOP resembles George Wallace’s American Independence Party of 1968 more than the GOP of that year. They wanted bigots to vote Republican and they got it. Well the bigots have been empowered and want to control it. NRO’s going to have to come to terms with their own past if they want to destroy Frankenstein’s monster instead of acting like the left is just as bad. Of course, I’d be happy if Lowry shut down the dumb and gave the rent space for a homeless shelter for LGBT immigrants.

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austin_blue  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:31:48pm

I would like to thank the Republican voters of New Hampshire for putting a stake in Chris Christie’s campaign tonight. Well done, and entirely appropriate.

Adios, fatuous fat fucker!

(See what I did there?)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:32:39pm

Night. Still can’t stop laughing at Rubio. Au Revoir sucker.

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teleskiguy  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:35:25pm

re: #20 austin_blue

Adios, fatuous fat fucker!

(See what I did there?)

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austin_blue  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:39:57pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

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As always, spot on.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:43:37pm

So, let me see if I have this correct (and I may not): In NH, Clinton gets only 38% of the vote to Sanders’ 60%, but Clinton gets the majority of the delegates.

Correct?

If so, tell me again how democracy works?

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retired cynic  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:48:39pm

re: #24 freetoken

I don’t have the numbers, but Bernie gets the bigger number out of NH. Clinton got a bigger number out of IA, and she has a huge lead in Super Delegates.

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guachi  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:50:02pm

Given the vote, Sanders will probably win 5-3 in each of the delegate categories. There are 24 delegates up for grabs, 8 in each of the 2 Congressional districts and 8 state wide.

I think Sanders wins 5-3 in each of those categories so he will win 15-9.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:50:29pm

Contrary to Punnuru’s assertion that there isn’t a signal among the noise, in the NH polling, the NYT found the obvious (and about which Punnuru is in denial):

Primary Exit Polls Show Terror Fears Aided Trump and Youth Helped Sanders

Two-thirds of New Hampshire Republican primary voters agree with Donald J. Trump’s proposal to temporarily bar Muslims from entering the United States. And they overwhelmingly express fear of another terrorist attack.

Trump wins because Trump explicitly plays the bigot card to a crowd of bigots.

NRO can’t dare admit that, even though the commenters on their own site clearly tell them that.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:51:47pm

re: #25 retired cynic

re: #26 guachi

It all strikes me as being very arcane.

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austin_blue  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:51:55pm

re: #24 freetoken

So, let me see if I have this correct (and I may not): In NH, Clinton gets only 38% of the vote to Sanders’ 60%, but Clinton gets the majority of the delegates.

Correct?

If so, tell me again how democracy works?

If a State has one huge city that accounts for 55% of the delegates and I win it by one vote, I get 55% of the delegates. If I get waxed in the rest of the State by 80% to 20%, the other guy gets 45% of the delegates.

It’s America, and the States decide on how votes are apportioned within the State.

Granted, odd.

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teleskiguy  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:53:10pm

Huh?!?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:53:29pm

re: #27 freetoken

Contrary to Punnuru’s assertion that there isn’t a signal among the noise, in the NH polling, the NYT found the obvious (and about which Punnuru is in denial):

Primary Exit Polls Show Terror Fears Aided Trump and Youth Helped Sanders

Trump wins because Trump explicitly plays the bigot card to a crowd of bigots.

NRO can’t dare admit that, even though the commenters on their own site clearly tell them that.

Precisely.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:54:29pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

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Huh?!?

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Ban all Muslim immigrants isn’t a policy statement. Okay…..

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austin_blue  Feb 9, 2016 • 9:58:59pm

Night all! Sweet scaly dreams.

What a cluster fuck this election cycle is turning into, eh?

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 10:00:03pm

Politico leads with a not-innocent headline:

How Much Trouble Is Hillary Clinton In?
10 political gurus assess what HRC’s big New Hampshire loss means for her campaign.

It’s so kind of them to express some concern.

‘A stunning blow’
Spencer Zwick, chair of America Rising PAC

America Rising is a hit squad for the Republican party. It’s so kind of Politico to reach out and try to find objective analysts.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 10:04:57pm

What is it with women’s interests in Trump’s testes?

The brashness, though, is what his voters like. Exit polls showed 57 percent of voters wanted someone outside the political establishment.

“He’s [Trump’s] not a politician; he’s got balls,” said voter Cindi Tuite of Kingston, N.H. “No one else is saying it like he is.”

As I noted yesterday, in primates, studies have shown that is it the more promiscuous, less faithful, females who seek out males with larger than average testes.

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guachi  Feb 9, 2016 • 10:05:57pm

Whom should I fear more - bankers or Muslims?

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 10:07:30pm

re: #36 guachi

Whom should I fear more - bankers or Muslims?

Muslim bankers?

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guachi  Feb 9, 2016 • 10:09:00pm

Muslim bankers might mean you get Trump AND Bernie voters. An unbeatable coalition of fear mongering.

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teleskiguy  Feb 9, 2016 • 10:13:07pm

re: #35 freetoken

As I noted yesterday, in primates, studies have shown that is it the more promiscuous, less faithful, females who seek out males with larger than average testes.

I’ve been told on a number of occasions that I have big balls. I’m too good at keeping them in my pants so all those women who saw them only got to see them once, all those times in a hot tub after 1 a.m.

/

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 10:59:07pm

Nothing a little carpet-bombing can’t solve, eh?

Syria, already a catastrophe, seems on the verge of an uncontrollable disaster

[…]

U.S. ties have become strained with partners closer to the conflict. These allies fear the Obama administration has been blinded to the threat from Russia and Iran by its desire to believe they can be swayed by diplomatic reason and appeals to shared worries about expansion of the Islamic State.

One senior official from a close partner nation described the negotiation track as a farce. The official said that it was unrealistic to expect the opposition to come to the table when its forces are being decimated on the ground and civilians are being starved by Russian bombing and the government gains it has enabled, in violation of United Nations resolutions that Moscow agreed to in order to get the talks started. The official, who said that U.S. leadership is still essential if the war is to end, did not want to be identified by name or nationality in order to speak candidly.

[…]

I’m sure Trump will be able to exploit this.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 11:02:26pm

Classic chairborne response in the comments:

Ronnie Baker
10:52 PM PST
Its a mess. Of course we could fix it. Stop it in one day.

Drop a 25 mile radius tactical nuclear bomb in the middle of the uninhabited desert. Issue a warning to ALL parties. Now see this,you are now being ask to quit fighting and start rebuilding. Make peace. If you don’t, we will start taking out one city at a time until you submit.

The real facts and the moral of the story,is we do have the power to change it,stop it with little effort. Big power bombs. We get no respect because we will not use them. The world wide observation of one in the desert would impact a few unbelievers,real quick.

I’m not sure “tactical” and “25 mile wide” belong in the same sentence, unless one is talking about inter-planetary warfare.

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Targetpractice  Feb 9, 2016 • 11:09:33pm

re: #41 freetoken

Classic chairborne response in the comments:

I’m not sure “tactical” and “25 mile wide” belong in the same sentence, unless one is talking about inter-planetary warfare.

Yeah, great idea, convince the rest of the world that America’s run by a fucking psycho prepared to begin nuking population centers until it gets its way. This is from the same nutters who think that Obama has destroyed our alliances and isolated us.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 11:12:56pm

Arguing over the meaning of words while people die:

UN: 4.5 million people in Syria are not ‘besieged’ — they are ‘hard to reach’

More than one million Syrians are trapped in besieged areas, a new report says in a challenge to the United Nations, which estimates just half that amount and has been accused by some aid groups of underplaying a crisis.

[…]

The new Siege Watch report, issued Tuesday by the Netherlands-based nonprofit PAX and the Washington-based Syria Institute, comes a month after images posted online of emaciated children and adults led to an international outcry and rare convoys of aid to a handful of Syrian communities.

[…]

The Siege Watch report says 1.09 million people are living in 46 besieged communities in Syria, far more than the 18 listed by the U.N. It says most are besieged by the Syrian government in the suburbs of Damascus, the capital, and Homs. In the eastern city of Deir el-Zour, about 200,000 people are besieged by both the Islamic State group and the Syrian government. The report lists two communities besieged by armed opposition groups.

[…]

The United Nations places an estimated 4.5 million Syrians into a separate category called “hard to reach,” a step below besieged. It defines that as “an area that is not regularly accessible to humanitarian actors for the purpose of sustained humanitarian programming as a result of denial of access.”

Doctors Without Borders said it doesn’t use that distinction, “as the medical consequences for both types of region are similar.” Medical supplies are almost never allowed in, it said, and medical evacuations are rarely allowed out.

[…]

Because if you’re dying, being “besieged” or “hard to reach” doesn’t really matter.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 11:17:48pm

Trump as a Kaiju:

Godzilla Trump, stomping his way across the state. How dominant was Trump? He tied John Kasich for the most support among people who think undocumented immigrants should receive amnesty. Given Trump’s hard-line immigration stances, that’s basically like saying that Donald Trump won voters who identify as not wanting to Make America Great Again. But they asked about that, too. Among voters who think that the next generation will be better off than today, the generation that will live through Trump’s great America, he won 4 in 10 votes.

This electorate has become irrational. We know longer need to expend energy to try and make sense of it.

Trump is a monster.

And people love their monsters.

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 11:42:35pm

The last tweet from Carson was over 7 hours ago, thanking his supporters in NH.

The next previous tweet, a few hours earlier, sounded sort of delusional:

Then again:

Ben Carson: I’m Open to Being Donald Trump’s Vice President

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 11:46:59pm

Oh look, it’s Trump and his all-American family:

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freetoken  Feb 9, 2016 • 11:48:07pm

That’s the best transportation money can buy.

It’s also the best family money can buy.

Looks like an ad for a fraternity or sorority.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 12:19:11am

Betters are still heavily going this morning for Hillary to win it all:

betfair.com

Contra all those doom and gloom headlines from American media outlets.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:02:31am

Who is this Dickinson guy? Seems a little slow.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:05:35am

re: #30 teleskiguy

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Huh?!?

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How the hell does Josh know that?!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:18:18am

re: #49 Ace-o-aces

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Who is this Dickinson guy? Seems a little slow.

Given the company that he keeps …

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:38:42am

The meme rolls:

Analysis: Trump proves GOP establishment can’t stop him

The current and former chiefs of the state Republican Party condemned him. New Hampshire’s only two Republican members of Congress refused to endorse him. The conservative owner of the state’s largest newspaper called him “a con man” on the front page.

Donald Trump won anyway — big time.

[…]

These kind of stories just play into Trump’s campaign strategy.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:07:40am

Why Christie might have well given up - he wasn’t going to be given another chance to beat up on Rubio on national TV:

CBS News announces Republican debate criteria

[…]

In order to qualify for this debate, candidates will have to meet one of the following criteria:

1) Place among the top five candidates ranked according to the popular vote in the New Hampshire Republican primary on Feb. 9, 2016;

2) have placed among the top three candidates ranked according to the popular vote in the Iowa Republican caucuses on Feb. 2, 2016;

3) place among the top five candidates in an average of national and South Carolina Republican presidential polls conducted over a four-week period starting on Jan. 15, 2016 and recognized by CBS News; and receive a minimum of 3 percent in the Iowa, New Hampshire results or the South Carolina or national polls. To be included, polls must be conducted and released to the public before 12 p.m. ET on Feb. 12, 2016.

[…]

Coming in 6th was just one notch too low.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:41:16am

Sanders winning New Hampshire, while fairly predictable, is a pretty big deal. The first Jewish candidate to do so. Openly socialist in a time of such hyper-partisanship that, using the yardstick established in previous primary elections, you’d have been able to confidently predict a more moderate candidate’s victory instead.
It’s a pretty good indication of the degree to which the previously politically unengaged have swung about. To me it’s still the sort of people who can afford to be aloof in off-year elections, but still…

I’m happy for him…

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:38:33am

Folks calling Jesus a socialist are exactly as clueless as the ones calling him a free-market capitalist.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:39:41am

Messaging:

Hillary Clinton sounded a lot like Bernie Sanders after losing to Bernie Sanders

After getting blown away in Tuesday’s Democratic primary in New Hampshire, Hillary Clinton in her address to supporters sounded a bit like the candidate who trounced her.

Sure, there were the usual talking points — equal pay for women, her readiness for “all parts of the job,” and her lifelong commitment to public service, among them. But Clinton also made clear that going forward, she wants in on the message that is serving Bernie Sanders so shockingly well in this campaign.

[…]

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:40:03am

re: #55 Nyet

Just don’t call him a “mythicist”.

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William Lewis  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:44:50am

re: #55 Nyet

Folks calling Jesus a socialist are exactly as clueless as the ones calling him a free-market capitalist.

I’d like to say yes and no to that. As someone who is both religious and a socialist, I find many of my values reflected both ways. So of course you are right in that you can hardly ascribe to Him a socioeconomic ideology of the present. That said, I’d dearly like to afford one of those shirts to thumb my nose at those who ignore the bits like Micah 6:8 and the last section of Matthew 25.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:46:06am

re: #57 freetoken

One might think that an apocalyptic preacher expecting the end of the world within the still living generation would be least of all concerned about what socio-economic system people would establish in the remaining few years until the Son of Man comes to judge the nations.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:50:44am

re: #58 William Lewis

Rules of personal conduct v. a socio-economic system. The most hardcore wingnut can do charity, doesn’t make them a socialist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:55:17am

re: #24 freetoken

So, let me see if I have this correct (and I may not): In NH, Clinton gets only 38% of the vote to Sanders’ 60%, but Clinton gets the majority of the delegates.

Correct?

If so, tell me again how democracy works?

This is not democracy, it is a political party’s candidate selection process that uses, but does not depend entirely on voting results.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:55:49am

re: #59 Nyet

One might think that an apocalyptic preacher expecting the end of the world within the still living generation would be least of all concerned about what socio-economic system people would establish in the remaining few years until the Son of Man comes to judge the nations.

Being good to the poor =/= socialist, given the timeline did not allow for a proletariat to emerge.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:58:22am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Superdelegates are anti-democratic.

But the parties are not obliged to have internal democracy…

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William Lewis  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:58:35am

re: #60 Nyet

Rules of personal conduct

Yes, exactly. That’s all either is in the end.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:58:53am

re: #48 freetoken

Betters are still heavily going this morning for Hillary to win it all:

betfair.com

Contra all those doom and gloom headlines from American media outlets.

Seeing as how she’s leading Bernie big in the polls everywhere voting here on out, and the GOP is close to nominating Trump for President, that’s looking like a really good bet.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:02:03am

re: #56 freetoken

Messaging:

Hillary Clinton sounded a lot like Bernie Sanders after losing to Bernie Sanders

Even though Hillary will be the nominee, Bernie has moved her to the left, which in and of itself is a significant victory for his ideas, if not for him personally.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:06:03am

re: #66 Big Beautiful Door

Even though Hillary will be the nominee, Bernie has moved her to the left, which in and of itself is a significant victory for his ideas, if not for him personally.

I dunno who will be the nominee (and I’m all for Clinton), but as somebody noted, this is an election where our candidates don’t run from words like liberal and progressive, but embrace them, even fight for them. While there will be a certain journey to the center during the general, the starting point is good.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:07:04am

Considering how American election cycles tend to dictate, to a large extent, the tone of international politics and even politics within a given nation (such as mine), I might even go so far as to say that if in democracies, America decides the consensus, we outlanders should at least have a vote (3/5ths seems reasonable) as to whom leads.

Whomever the D candidate happened to be would likely landslide all over the shiz.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:07:34am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is not democracy, it is a political party’s candidate selection process that uses, but does not depend entirely on voting results.

results.

Naive me, thinking an organization calling itself the “Democratic” party might indeed be so.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:09:54am

re: #67 Nyet

I dunno who will be the nominee (and I’m all for Clinton), but as somebody noted, this is an election where our candidates don’t run from words like liberal and progressive, but embrace them, even fight for them. While there will be a certain journey to the center during the general, the starting point is good.

I agree; I just don’t think the word “socialist” is going to play well in the upcoming Southern primaries.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:11:05am

re: #69 freetoken

Preselection in parliamentary democracies for seats is an exercise in obscurantism and I’ve never participated in one. I would kill for an open caucus or primary. It’s the major reason I’m an American-style republican.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:11:06am

Your viewing schedule for later today, when Trump gloats:

LIVE STREAM: Donald Trump at Clemson University - February 10, 2016

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:12:05am

re: #69 freetoken

Even worse, the USA calls itself a democratic country, yet the man who gained fewer votes in 2000 became President.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:13:10am

re: #73 Nyet

Supreme Court.
Gracious Loser.

Sigh.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:14:08am

re: #74 Alyosha

None of that.
Electoral college.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:15:24am

EC is undemocratic. Shocka!

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:16:55am

re: #75 Nyet
Yes, the Electoral College determines the statewide count, but ultimately it was the Supreme Court that ruled?
Okay, giving Bush the desired counties.

I see your point…

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:17:58am

re: #75 Nyet

But nnnnnNader….. lol

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:19:39am

re: #77 Alyosha

There are grave doubts as to whether a recount would have helped Gore.
The question of those 600 or whatever votes wouldn’t have come up in an actually democratic election system in the first place. Gore had more votes. What is there to discuss? Only in America… half-/

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William Lewis  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:20:30am

re: #78 Alyosha

But nnnnnNader….. lol

Didn’t help matters but in the end, Al ran a snoozefest of a campaign and too many voters stayed away.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:20:30am

re: #78 Alyosha

But nnnnnNader….. lol

Nader made the bad situation worse. He’s not off the hook. But…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:20:43am

re: #63 Nyet

Superdelegates are anti-democratic.

But the parties are not obliged to have internal democracy…

The parties are voluntary organizations, not governing bodies. They are like the Kiwanis clubs. If I don’t like the rules and results, I can change parties or start my own.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:21:27am

NADER
SANDERS

Holy shit! If you delete the redundancies you get:

SS!!!

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:22:42am

re: #82 Decatur Deb

The parties are voluntary organizations, not governing bodies. They are like the Kiwanis clubs. If I don’t like the rules and results, I can change parties or start my own.

With blackjack and hookers.

On second thought: forget the parties…

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Danack  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:23:53am

Can anyone even outline how the GOP nomination could proceed in a way that doesn’t end in a Trump nomination?

Even if Christie, Carson, Fiorina and Kasich drop out - that is going to make absolutely no difference.

When one of Bush or Rubio drops out - the other should get a lot of their supporters…..which again makes no difference.

About the only paths I can see that don’t end in Trump being the nominee are:

I) Cruz dropping out because of a scandal - which sounds incredibly unlikely - and all of his supporters going to not Trump, which sounds even more unlikely.

ii) Cruz picking up a huge proportion of Carson’s and then everyone else’s supporters. But he is such an asshole that that sounds quite unlikely also…..and in fact there are people in the GOP establishment who have openly said they would prefer a Trump candidacy.

Actually, probably the most likely path is for Trump to get bored once he’s picked up enough delegates to become the nominee, but before the convention……and then turn round and say that the GOP don’t deserve a candidate as luxurious as himself.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:24:06am

Holy shit shit!

You literally cannot spell Sanders without NADER!

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:24:46am

This is already well established, isn’t it…

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:25:24am

re: #81 Nyet

Nader made the bad situation worse. He’s not off the hook. But…

Indeed. If anything, Nader took away more votes from Gore than the Bush. It’s not a stretch of the imagination that if he wasn’t on the ticket, Florida would have probably went to Gore. Nonetheless, the moral of the story: when Ds stay home, look what happens. Sadly, Democratic Party voters forget this story nearly every election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:27:08am

re: #69 freetoken

Naive me, thinking an organization calling itself the “Democratic” party might indeed be so.

They did make their selection process a bit more democratic and transparent, but never really abolished the “smoke-filled rooms”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:28:08am

We could at least make Congress more democratic without amending the Constitution by increasing the size of the House and making a large proportion of the representatives elected on an at-large basis. This would create room for third parties in America, and I think make Congress work again because many representatives would no longer be elected by the angriest constituents of a party primary, and with more than one party Congress would not be polarized between “us” and “them.” Of course breaking the monopoly on power of the two parties is exactly why this reform won’t happen, barring a significant crisis forcing change.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:28:09am

This is what zero sense of self-awareness looks like:

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:28:20am

re: #33 austin_blue

Night all! Sweet scaly dreams.

What a cluster fuck this election cycle is turning into, eh and it will just get scarier?!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:29:16am

re: #85 Danack

Can anyone even outline how the GOP nomination could proceed in a way that doesn’t end in a Trump nomination?

Even if Christie, Carson, Fiorina and Kasich drop out - that is going to make absolutely no difference.

When one of Bush or Rubio drops out - the other should get a lot of their supporters…..which again makes no difference.

About the only paths I can see that don’t end in Trump being the nominee are:

I) Cruz dropping out because of a scandal - which sounds incredibly unlikely - and all of his supporters going to not Trump, which sounds even more unlikely.

ii) Cruz picking up a huge proportion of Carson’s and then everyone else’s supporters. But he is such an asshole that that sounds quite unlikely also…..and in fact there are people in the GOP establishment who have openly said they would prefer a Trump candidacy.

Actually, probably the most likely path is for Trump to get bored once he’s picked up enough delegates to become the nominee, but before the convention……and then turn round and say that the GOP don’t deserve a candidate as luxurious as himself.

Trump will withdraw in a huff after a few loses and establishment attacks prick his pride. There’s always a topless roller derby league to start. It’ll be yuuuge.

If he does get the nom, all the better. A realistic POS like Kasich is far more of a threat.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:31:05am

re: #85 Danack

Most primaries will distribute delegates roughly proportionately, by congressional district. In the GOP case I think the top two vote getters in each district get delegates.

It is quite possible that Trump could win the majority of the primaries and still not reach the minimum delegate count to win.

At the conventions, the RNC can manipulate the process. Now if Trump is really close to the majority, it may not matter. But if he’s a couple of hundred delegates short, then maybe the RNC can manipulate things so that Trump doesn’t get the nomination.

But I can’t see Cruz giving up willingly. Cruz is going to have a lot of delegates, even if he has fewer than Trump.

So if the convention gets stuck, who knows what will happen. I suppose the RNC could just take a vote to free up all the delegates to vote for their conscious, freeing them of their assigned candidate.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:31:29am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Trump will withdraw in a huff after a few loses and establishment attacks prick his pride. There’s always a topless roller derby league to start. It’ll be yuuuge.

If he does get the nom, all the better. A realistic POS like Kasich is far more of a threat.

Yes-but. It’s a dangerous game to play.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:31:29am

re: #85 Danack

Can anyone even outline how the GOP nomination could proceed in a way that doesn’t end in a Trump nomination?

Even if Christie, Carson, Fiorina and Kasich drop out - that is going to make absolutely no difference.

When one of Bush or Rubio drops out - the other should get a lot of their supporters…..which again makes no difference.

About the only paths I can see that don’t end in Trump being the nominee are:

I) Cruz dropping out because of a scandal - which sounds incredibly unlikely - and all of his supporters going to not Trump, which sounds even more unlikely.

ii) Cruz picking up a huge proportion of Carson’s and then everyone else’s supporters. But he is such an asshole that that sounds quite unlikely also…..and in fact there are people in the GOP establishment who have openly said they would prefer a Trump candidacy.

Actually, probably the most likely path is for Trump to get bored once he’s picked up enough delegates to become the nominee, but before the convention……and then turn round and say that the GOP don’t deserve a candidate as luxurious as himself.

Cruz has a significant chance of winning by consolidating the religious right vote, which is a huge constituency in the GOP. But I agree its difficult to see how Kasich, Bush or Rubio get the nomination, other than doing just well enough to prevent either Cruz or Trump from earning a majority of the delegates, then stealing it from those two in a chaotic brokered convention. What fun that would be!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:33:02am

re: #94 freetoken

Most primaries will distribute delegates roughly proportionately, by congressional district. In the GOP case I think the top two vote getters in each district get delegates.

It is quite possible that Trump could win the majority of the primaries and still not reach the minimum delegate count to win.

At the conventions, the RNC can manipulate the process. Now if Trump is really close to the majority, it may not matter. But if he’s a couple of hundred delegates short, then maybe the RNC can manipulate things so that Trump doesn’t get the nomination.

But I can’t see Cruz giving up willingly. Cruz is going to have a lot of delegates, even if he has fewer than Trump.

So if the convention gets stuck, who knows what will happen. I suppose the RNC could just take a vote to free up all the delegates to vote for their conscious, freeing them of their assigned candidate.

Could be wrong on this, but don’t the delegates automatically free up after the first (failed) vote?

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:33:24am

re: #47 freetoken

It’s also the best family money can buy.

Looks like an ad for a fraternity or sorority.

What the hell is going on with the guy to tRump’s left? Seriously, who stands like that?

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:33:45am

re: #91 Dr. Matt

Well, she didn’t make it above the bar for the next debate.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:33:49am

re: #94 freetoken

Most primaries will distribute delegates roughly proportionately, by congressional district. In the GOP case I think the top two vote getters in each district get delegates.

It is quite possible that Trump could win the majority of the primaries and still not reach the minimum delegate count to win.

At the conventions, the RNC can manipulate the process. Now if Trump is really close to the majority, it may not matter. But if he’s a couple of hundred delegates short, then maybe the RNC can manipulate things so that Trump doesn’t get the nomination.

But I can’t see Cruz giving up willingly. Cruz is going to have a lot of delegates, even if he has fewer than Trump.

So if the convention gets stuck, who knows what will happen. I suppose the RNC could just take a vote to free up all the delegates to vote for their conscious, freeing them of their assigned candidate.

That automatically happens after the first ballot.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:33:56am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Trump will withdraw in a huff after a few loses and establishment attacks prick his pride. There’s always a topless roller derby league to start. It’ll be yuuuge.

If he does get the nom, all the better. A realistic POS like Kasich is far more of a threat.

And to think that that space was Rubio’s only a few days gone. If he can memorize fifteen-second canned-soundbites as a remediation of his disastrous SOTU reply, what’s to keep him from learning again.
IV drip.
Mmm.. Scat poetry?

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:34:48am

re: #100 Big Beautiful Door

That automatically happens after the first ballot.

The rules can still be changed. Really, the RNC can vote new rules. If need be they can change their bylaws to allow for changing the rules.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:35:52am

re: #102 freetoken

The rules can still be changed. Really, the RNC can vote new rules. If need be they can change their bylaws to allow for changing the rules.

I can just imagine the howls of outrage from the Right. Sweet, sweet music.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:37:50am

re: #95 Nyet

Yes-but. It’s a dangerous game to play.

Always. And we won’t see a calm, quiet election until earth-shaking events* break the deadlock in our voters’ minds.

*megadeaths

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:38:04am

re: #98 Le Lapin Tueur

What the hell is going on with the guy to tRump’s left? Seriously, who stands like that?

Frat-boy who wants to look tough in a picture.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:38:55am

re: #98 Le Lapin Tueur

What the hell is going on with the guy to tRump’s left? Seriously, who stands like that?

British viscounts of the 19th century, while being painted.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:39:13am

re: #100 Big Beautiful Door

That automatically happens after the first ballot.

It would be hilarious if that happened, and Rubio, who never places above 3rd in any state, ends up winning the nomination.

The Alex Jones types in the GOP would go ballistic.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:40:09am

re: #99 freetoken

Well, she didn’t make it above the bar for the next debate.

I guess she doesn’t have anything better to do. Or she is angling for a promised Cabinet position before she drops out and endorses someone.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:40:13am

re: #106 Decatur Deb

British viscounts of the 19th century, while being painted.

Is tRump’s family properly in-bred to be a viscount? Asking for a friend.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:41:15am

re: #109 Le Lapin Tueur

Is tRump’s family properly in-bred to be a viscount? Asking for a friend.

I think the term is “Herren” where they’re from.

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Alyosha  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:42:24am

re: #109 Le Lapin Tueur

Is tRump’s family properly in-bred to be a viscount? Asking for a friend.

If Trump’s statements about the comeliness of his own daughter is not the result of a series of election-induced fever dreams then I’d have to say: not from a want of desire.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:42:44am

re: #107 freetoken

It would be hilarious if that happened, and Rubio, who never places above 3rd in any state, ends up winning the nomination.

The Alex Jones types in the GOP would go ballistic.

This is when we start speculating that Mitt rides in to the rescue.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:43:41am

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

This is when we start speculating that Mitt rides in to the rescue.

The Dem version of that is “Draft Biden”.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:46:48am

Fitting headline. Fitting pic.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:15:36am

One last story in the Kim Davis saga. Judge Bunning has ruled that the marriage licenses her office issued in which she removed her name are likely valid under Kentucky law, so she doesn’t have to re-issue them. This likely ends the controversy, except for the inevitable denial of her appeals.

kentucky.com

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:18:30am

HA! See what he did there….

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:27:04am

Morning…I think. It feels more like an extension of last night.

Anyway…to the discussion about voter turnout.

Politically speaking:

Republicans are dogs.

Democrats are cats.

Dogs are loyal…sometime to a fault.

Cats are, well cats. Good luck getting them to follow anything…sometimes to a fault.

Dogs do sometimes bite their owners. Cats often times seem to be plotting…something. And they can scratch and claw.

I do not know what all this means. That is the nature of the political animals.

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Kent Dorfman  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:28:53am

Cats rule and dogs drool…

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Timothy Watson  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:31:30am

Here’s a summary of the Isaac Asimov story I referred to yesterday:

Stephen Byerley is a man, who lost his wife at a young age. He was the victim of a car accident, in which he was severely wounded. After a slow recovery, he has returned to public life. Currently, he is a lawyer, a successful, middle-aged prosecutor, a humanitarian who never presses for the death penalty. He runs for mayor of a major American city (implied to be Chicago), but Francis Quinn’s political machine smears him. They claim that the real Stephen Byerley, rather than having recovered, was permanently disfigured and crippled by the accident, and the Byerley who appears in the public is a humanoid robot, that is, a machine built to look like a human being, created by Stephen Byerley to be what he himself could be no longer. If this is true, the “Frankenstein complex” hysteria will ruin his campaign, as only human beings are allowed to run for office. Quinn approaches U.S. Robots and Mechanical Men corporation, the world’s only supplier of positronic robot brains, and attempts to persuade them that Byerley must be a robot. No one has ever seen Byerley eat or sleep, Quinn reports.

en.wikipedia.org

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Bubblehead II  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:32:01am

re: #118 Kent Dorfman

Cats rule and dogs drool…

Which goes far in explaining the Pavlovian response of tRump supporters.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:32:26am

Somehow, in the middle of nearly every passably legible think piece about how scary Trump truly is I always seem to come across floating nuggets of observed wisdom such as this bit below that causes me to truly wonder about where I actually fit into in this society.

It is undeniably enjoyable watching Trump. He’s red-faced, discursive, funny, angry, strange, unpredictable, and real. He speaks without filter and tweets with reckless abandon. The Donald Trump phenomenon is a riotous union of candidate ego and voter id. America’s most skilled political entertainer is putting on the greatest show we’ve ever seen.

I don’t get that at all. It is quite the opposite for me, almost physically painful. When I watch him speak first I’m just saddened and amazed by the kinds of people that are so stupid and hateful to buy into his blatant lies, insultingly simplistic “solution” and pathetic fear mongering. Then I’m fearful for the inevitable victims of his grotesque racist scapegoating and deeply angered that someone so obviously and amazingly psychotic, narcissistic and deranged is likely to be a major party Presidential candidate. Literally none of these feelings is enjoyable.

I just fucking don’t understand people at all. I mean, there obviously must be some discernible reason that this goddamned smoldering, malignant sociological teratoma masquerading as a political campaign seems to resonate within this same Bizarro universe version of America that finds “reality” television entertaining. I’m just afraid that reason is that this country is epically and irredeemably boned.

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Teukka  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:39:51am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Somehow, in the middle of nearly every passably legible think piece about how scary Trump truly is I always seem to come across floating nuggets of observed wisdom such as this bit below that causes me to truly wonder about where I actually fit into in this society.

I don’t get that at all. It is quite the opposite for me, almost physically painful. When I watch him speak first I’m just saddened and amazed by the kinds of people that are so stupid and hateful to buy into his blatant lies, insultingly simplistic “solution” and pathetic fear mongering. Then I’m fearful for the inevitable victims of his grotesque racist scapegoating and deeply angered that someone so obviously and amazingly psychotic, narcissistic and deranged is likely to be a major party Presidential candidate. Literally none of these feelings is enjoyable.

I just fucking don’t understand people at all. I mean, there obviously must be some discernible reason that this goddamned smoldering sociological teratology masquerading as a political campaign seems to resonate within this Bizarro universe version of America that finds “reality” television entertaining. I’m just afraid that reason is that this country is epically and irredeemably boned.

I don’t know what to say (being across the pond and all), but some people simply enjoy watching the world burn…
And no, I don’t enjoy the thought of any of the GOP lineup winning the presidential election either. I simply cannot see that ending well for the world as a whole :(
I also have a nagging suspicion that the GOP has fallen prey for foreign influences with other things than the best interests of the US in mind (See “Putin Wages Hybrid War on Germany and West”)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:46:31am

re: #119 Timothy Watson

Asimov did a good job delving into the consequences of developing robots with AI abilities. If in fact we could develop such machines, would they be eligible for citizenship? Would assembly and boot up within the USA qualify them as being born in the USA? And if so, could they run for office?

Given the right wing’s reaction to a human guy with a Kenyan father and a childhood spent partly in Indonesia, one can only imagine their reaction to a humanoid robot running for office.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:51:50am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Trump, who won decisively last night is going off on the Daily News and Politico for trashing him as a clown and catering to racists.

Predictably, the racists come out of hiding to support Trump and wonder what’s wrong with being a white supremacist.

But since this nitwit decided to mention @Beyonce, I figured this is a good reminder that she’s doing more to help Flint than most GOPers, including Gov. Snyder:

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:52:53am

re: #122 Teukka

One of the reasons I’m suspicious of Bernie is the way he framed Putin’s regime as legitimate, “grownup” potential partner in Syria etc.

This misses the reality of this wholly corrupt, increasingly unstable, medieval and fascist right-wing gang whose capo should be given no quarter.

USSR has always been the Achilles’ heel of the Western ultra-left progressives, and I really hope Bernie is not about to fall into this old trap.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:57:53am

Sure, DMX had an “asthma attack”. If you believe that, I have some land west of Miami to sell you.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:58:56am

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Asimov did a good job delving into the consequences of developing robots with AI abilities. If in fact we could develop such machines, would they be eligible for citizenship? Would assembly and boot up within the USA qualify them as being born in the USA? And if so, could they run for office?

Given the right wing’s reaction to a human guy with a Kenyan father and a childhood spent partly in Indonesia, one can only imagine their reaction to a humanoid robot running for office.

We seem to be about to give AIs driver’s licenses:

U.S. regulator: A Google computer could qualify as car driver

Should autonomous vehicles be restricted by Asimov’s 3 laws?

computerworld.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:59:16am

re: #125 Nyet

One of the reasons I’m suspicious of Bernie is the way he framed Putin’s regime as legitimate, “grownup” potential partner in Syria etc.

This misses the reality of this wholly corrupt, increasingly unstable, medieval and fascist right-wing gang whose capo should be given no quarter.

USSR has always been the Achilles’ heel of the Western ultra-left progressives, and I really hope Bernie is not about to fall into this old trap.

One example of Sanders’ poor understanding of foreign affairs. He’s one of those pols who has a laser-like focus on one aspect of public policy, and virtually no focus on anything else.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:01:19am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

We seem to be about to give AIs drivers licenses:

U.S. regulator: A Google computer could qualify as car driver

Should autonomous vehicles be restricted by Asimov’s 3 laws?

computerworld.com

In that case, a car might never leave the driveway.

“Dad, can I have the car keys? I want to go to the mall.”
“OK with me, junior, but you’d better ask the car.”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:02:23am

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In that case, a car might never leave the driveway.

“Dad, can I have the car keys? I want to go to the mall.”
“OK with me, junior, but you’d better ask the car.”

Definitely take the fun out of submarine races.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:04:44am

I just barely heard the report this morning (I just turned on the radio) that Russian opposition leader Mikhail Kasyanov was “attacked with cake” by about 10 “non-slavic” men today (?). Comes after Kadyrov (sp?) released video of Kasyanov shown through a sniper’s scope. Gangland.

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Teukka  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:06:54am

re: #125 Nyet

One of the reasons I’m suspicious of Bernie is the way he framed Putin’s regime as legitimate, “grownup” potential partner in Syria etc.

This misses the reality of this wholly corrupt, increasingly unstable, medieval and fascist right-wing gang whose capo should be given no quarter.

USSR has always been the Achilles’ heel of the Western ultra-left progressives, and I really hope Bernie is not about to fall into this old trap.

Yeah, some people on the left seem to think that leftist are automatically immune to becoming fascist, which isn’t the case. And whether or not the Soviet Union was true to the Communist ideology is another can of worms, I personally think that the Soviet Union betrayed the proletariat with Stalin coming to power at the latest.

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One example of Sanders’ poor understanding of foreign affairs. He’s one of those pols who has a laser-like focus on one aspect of public policy, and virtually no focus on anything else.

Yeah, that’s one of the things which put me off with Sanders :(

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Teukka  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:08:56am

re: #131 Barefoot Grin

I just barely heard the report this morning (I just turned on the radio) that Russian opposition leader Mikhail Kasyanov was “attacked with cake” by about 10 “non-slavic” men today (?). Comes after Kadyrov (sp?) released video of Kasyanov shown through a sniper’s scope. Gangland.

Yeah, his description of what happened contains language which makes it hard to believe, tho I think that it is entirely possible he got the custard pie treatment.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:11:17am

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Definitely take the fun out of submarine races.

Bill and Sue, in Dad’s autonomous car.

“Bill, I get the creepy feeling that someone is watching us. Are you absolutely sure you put the car in sleep mode?”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:11:46am

From 538’s “Significant Digits”:

117 boxes
A Girl Scout who set up shop outside of a marijuana dispensary sold 117 boxes of cookies in two hours. [The Los Angeles Times]

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:12:50am

re: #135 Decatur Deb

From 538’s “Significant Digits”:

117 boxes
A Girl Scout who set up shop outside of a marijuana dispensary sold 117 boxes of cookies in two hours. [The Los Angeles Times]

Probably repeat customers, too.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:13:16am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

We seem to be about to give AIs driver’s licenses:

U.S. regulator: A Google computer could qualify as car driver

Should autonomous vehicles be restricted by Asimov’s 3 laws?

computerworld.com

No. Asimov’s three laws, while interesting, were a vehicle for him to explore the meaning of humanity. The whole idea was to see where the limits of a finite set of rules would reach.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:13:35am

re: #131 Barefoot Grin

He was attacked by about 20 Chechens, yes.

Such things also happened regularly to Nemtsov. Then he was murdered (apparently on Kadyrov’s orders).

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:14:03am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bill and Sue, in Dad’s autonomous car.

“Bill, I get the creepy feeling that someone is watching us. Are you absolutely sure you put the car in sleep mode?”

“I’m sorry, Bill. I’m afraid you can’t do that.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:16:08am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

“I’m sorry, Bill. I’m afraid you can’t do that.”

Said in Ben Carson’s voice.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:16:31am

re: #133 Teukka

His description is fully credible.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:17:19am

re: #125 Nyet

One of the reasons I’m suspicious of Bernie is the way he framed Putin’s regime as legitimate, “grownup” potential partner in Syria etc.

This misses the reality of this wholly corrupt, increasingly unstable, medieval and fascist right-wing gang whose capo should be given no quarter.

USSR has always been the Achilles’ heel of the Western ultra-left progressives, and I really hope Bernie is not about to fall into this old trap.

I agree but I was also thinking about a conversation you and I had about how these types have economics dominate their train of thought to the point where issues like homophobia, sexism, and racism aren’t an as big priorities. I mean Bernie does have a good record on gay rights, women’s right, and race related issues but I don’t think he really sees them outside an economic prism. He just seems to see racism as being economic in its causes when it’s much more complicated about. Agree about that blindspot regarding the USSR. I have seen that with people I know.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:20:08am

re: #132 Teukka

Yeah, some people on the left seem to think that leftist are automatically immune to becoming fascist, which isn’t the case. And whether or not the Soviet Union was true to the Communist ideology is another can of worms, I personally think that the Soviet Union betrayed the proletariat with Stalin coming to power at the latest.

Yeah, that’s one of the things which put me off with Sanders :(

The thing about that is these types have this notion that because the US did a lot of shitty things during the Cold War that it means the right hyped the totalitarianism and control of other countries the USSR had. I’m honestly worried if Bernie is the nominee, it’s going to be even more red baiting than we saw with Obama and Bernie actually had his honeymoon in the USSR. I just think so many of Sanders’ weaknesses as a candidate are overlooked because purity is valued more than actual leadership skills.

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withak  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:21:00am

Hopefully, yesterday’s results mean we will soon see campaign suspensions from Carson, Christie, Fiorina, and Gilmore. (Vermin Supreme got more votes than Gilmore. Vermin Supreme!)

I know Fiorina says she’s still in it, for whatever reason, but she has one delegate and Carson has three. When they do drop out, what happens to their delegates?

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:21:15am

While I have yet to see credible evidence that Putin orders to bump his purely political opponents off, he certainly bears full responsibility for actions of his proteges, such as Kadyrov, Turchak and many others.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:22:33am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

It was what, 1988? There was more democracy then than now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:25:41am

re: #146 Nyet

It was what, 1988? There was more democracy then than now.

I think it was the Gorbachev years. I really don’t care personally but I can see that as something that would become a non stop line of attack. BERNIE SANDERS HAS HONEYMOON IN TOTALITARIAN HELLHOLE. I don’t think most Americans or frankly most people are aware of the fact that the Soviet Union of the late 80’s was a different place than the Soviet Union of Stalin, Khruschev, and Brezhnev. I mean don’t get me wrong. I think it should be a non issue but it’s something I can see the Republican Super-PACs praying on old fears of communism.
-Checked, it was 1988.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:28:31am

It would have been an issue for me had that happened earlier, e.g. in the Brezhnev era. In the era of perestroika and glasnost it was a normal thing to do though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:30:39am

re: #148 Nyet

It would have been an issue for me had that happened earlier, e.g. in the Brezhnev era. In the era of perestroika and glasnost it was a normal thing to do though.

Ah okay. Maybe I’m reading too much into it then. As I said, it’s something I don’t care about but you know how many of my countrymen and women are about nuance.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:31:17am

Doing his Trump impersonation:

Netanyahu Says Fences Needed to Keep Out `Beasts of Prey’

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, under mounting criticism of his government’s handling of security threats, promised to encircle the country in an uninterrupted strip of barriers.

The multiyear project will cost billions of shekels and “surround the entire State of Israel with security fences to protect ourselves in the current and projected Middle East,” Netanyahu said Tuesday while touring a fence being built on the border with Jordan.

“In the surroundings in which we live, we have to defend ourselves against beasts of prey,” he said.

[…]

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:34:31am

Meanwhile I can’t get over how fascist the GOP electorate basically is. Two thirds of Republican voters last night polled agreed with Donald’s call to prohibit all Muslim immigration. I mean goddamn it feels like not a damned thing has been learned from the past.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:34:32am

Heh.

Jeb would have been better off cutting every one of those voters $100 bucks; he might have gotten more votes that way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:36:02am

re: #152 lawhawk

Heh.

[Embedded content]

Jeb would have been better off cutting every one of those voters $100 bucks; he might have gotten more votes that way.

Please clap BECAUSE YOU’RE GETTING 100 BUCKS!

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:39:16am

re: #152 lawhawk

Heh.

[Embedded content]

Jeb would have been better off cutting every one of those voters $100 bucks; he might have gotten more votes that way.

YOU’RE GETTING 100 BUCKS…YOU’RE GETTING 100 BUCKS…THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS GETTING 100 BUCKS.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:40:07am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile I can’t get over how fascist the GOP electorate basically is. Two thirds of Republican voters last night polled agreed with Donald’s call to prohibit all Muslim immigration. I mean goddamn it feels like not a damned thing has been learned from the past.

If you think the past is awesome, what are you going to learn from it? These are the same people who believe we could have “won” Iraq if we’d only stayed longer.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:42:07am

So what happened, in a few words:

Kasyanov was sitting in a restaurant. A couple of people approached him, one of them threw a cake at him with force, basically “beating” him with a cake, there is a video.

Afterwards they left the restaurant and joined a mob of ca. 20 Chechens outside, who were shouting open threats towards K. for about an hour, leaving before the police arrived. The police arrested (and then set free) three Chechen policemen who, ahem, just happened to be near the restaurant (what a coincidence).

The police refused to open a criminal case, despite the attack and the threats. The case is purely administrative. If anything further happens to Kasyanov, it will probably CIA agents wishing to discredit Russia, Putin and Kadyrov. Nothing to see here. Move along.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:42:13am

re: #155 Belafon

If you think the past is awesome, what are you going to learn from it? These are the same people who believe we could have “won” Iraq if we’d only stayed longer.

That’s a great point. I heard the other day that Cruz was oozing nostagia about the early years of our country. I wonder what part he liked most, the slavery, no protections for wives and children who were abused, or the non-existent labor protections. I’m sure if you found any sane person in the past and offered them a chance to live in our era, they’d take it though they of course would want and need some classes heh.

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darthstar  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:46:29am

Mornin’ everyone. Hell of a primary last night. There were wins by both a Jew and a Nazi.

Seriously, though…I know Trump isn’t a Nazi, he just sympathizes with them. I still can’t believe he’s the GOP front runner. I expected him to hang around and be a constant reminder of how fucked up the Republican party is. I just didn’t expect them to surrender to Trump.

On the sane side of the aisle, we had a great illustration why Sanders did so much better than expected (expectations were that he’d win, but that Hillary would be close enough to keep the narrative under control). If you look at the speeches by Hillary and Bernie (yes, Bernie’s is long but you only have to watch a few minutes of it to see what I’m talking about) the differences between the two candidates couldn’t be further apart.

In her speech, she said, “I will fight for you.” and “I will work hard” and “I will” “I will” “I will” “I will” while in his speech, Bernie almost exclusively said “We will”. He offers a vision and a goal. There are things he wants to achieve. She offers to fight.

This is similar to 2008 when Hillary tried the 3am call and said she would be there to answer the phone and Obama said to us, “This isn’t about me. It’s about you, the voters.”

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:49:44am

Counting the “I“‘s used to be the wingnuts’ favorite pastime.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:51:19am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

That’s a great point. I heard the other day that Cruz was oozing nostagia about the early years of our country. I wonder what part he liked most, the slavery, no protections for wives and children who were abused, or the non-existent labor protections. I’m sure if you found any sane person in the past and offered them a chance to live in our era, they’d take it though they of course would want and need some classes heh.

Maybe polio was his best friend.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:51:49am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

…. smoldering, malignant sociological teratoma masquerading as a political campaign …

There is something beautifully poetic about this clause. It should be inscribed in calligraphy upon a fragment of his skin and framed as a warning to future people with similar ideals.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:51:57am

re: #160 Belafon

Maybe polio was his best friend.

Heh.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:52:13am

re: #146 Nyet

Where was all this democracy in 1988?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:52:39am

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Asimov did a good job delving into the consequences of developing robots with AI abilities. If in fact we could develop such machines, would they be eligible for citizenship? Would assembly and boot up within the USA qualify them as being born in the USA? And if so, could they run for office?

Given the right wing’s reaction to a human guy with a Kenyan father and a childhood spent partly in Indonesia, one can only imagine their reaction to a humanoid robot running for office.

If it was a white robot pre-programmed with RW talking points, they would have no problem at all.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:54:01am

re: #160 Belafon

Maybe polio was his best friend.

To be more serious, I think, even beyond the whole “straight white Christian men should run everything” line, I get this feeling that deep down, they think we’re not afraid of dying enough to turn to God, that a good case of dying children, suffering through the hard diseases, will make us all run to the pulpit.

Then we can share the plague together. (No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t keep the sarcasm out.)

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Botsplainer  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:56:35am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

There’s always a topless roller derby league to start.

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to be added to your mailing list…

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:57:46am

re: #158 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Hell of a primary last night. There were wins by both a Jew and a Nazi.

Seriously, though…I know Trump isn’t a Nazi, he just sympathizes with them. I still can’t believe he’s the GOP front runner. I expected him to hang around and be a constant reminder of how fucked up the Republican party is. I just didn’t expect them to surrender to Trump.

On the sane side of the aisle, we had a great illustration why Sanders did so much better than expected (expectations were that he’d win, but that Hillary would be close enough to keep the narrative under control). If you look at the speeches by Hillary and Bernie (yes, Bernie’s is long but you only have to watch a few minutes of it to see what I’m talking about) the differences between the two candidates couldn’t be further apart.

In her speech, she said, “I will fight for you.” and “I will work hard” and “I will” “I will” “I will” “I will” while in his speech, Bernie almost exclusively said “We will”. He offers a vision and a goal. There are things he wants to achieve. She offers to fight.

This is similar to 2008 when Hillary tried the 3am call and said she would be there to answer the phone and Obama said to us, “This isn’t about me. It’s about you, the voters.”

Who is this “We Will” you speak of ? the same “We Will” people Obama had that didn’t show up to help much after he was elected. hell they couldn’t even show up to vote in the midterms.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:57:49am

re: #165 Belafon

To be more serious, I think, even beyond the whole “straight white Christian men should run everything” line, I get this feeling that deep down, they think we’re not afraid of dying enough to turn to God, that a good case of dying children, suffering through the hard diseases, will make us all run to the pulpit.

Then we can share the plague together. (No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t keep the sarcasm out.)

Never thought about it like that but it fits with how much Calvinism and suffering plays in to this mindset. Honestly, with the younger ones namely a lot of the libertarian types I know, I think there’s not a lot of appreciation for how much progress we’ve made on these sort of things. I cannot begin to tell you how many times I’ve heard this from someone who has no idea about what blue collar workers go through “Unions once had a use but we don’t need them anymore.” After reading what happened at the mine owned by Don Blankenship, I’m convinced that we still need labor protections more than ever. The big problem for me is the government has shifted from instead of being an impartial role towards labor to favoring management. As a grandson of a former NLRB lifer, that’s not what the government’s role should be.

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KGxvi  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:58:19am

re: #4 austin_blue

Topping tonight’s headlines: Trump busted the polls, getting 35% of the vote when his highest projection was 31%.

Granted, margin of error, but that’s a big number.

Trump and Cruz combined for 47% of the vote. That suggests that if it was a three man race (which isn’t going to happen now), if the third man was an establishment candidate, he’d be favored. Just looking for silver linings.

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darthstar  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:00:52am

re: #167 Tigger2

Who is this “We Will” you speak of the same “We Will” Obama had that didn’t show up to help much after he was elected. hell they couldn’t even show up to vote in the midterms.

Americans’ apathy will be there after the election regardless. The question is, do you want a president who has no expectations or one who has goals and, like Obama, may not get everything they want, but will do what they can?

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darthstar  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:02:33am

Not sure who is behind this account, but it can be funny.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:03:23am

re: #170 darthstar

Americans’ apathy will be there after the election regardless. The question is, do you want a president who has no expectations or one who has goals and, like Obama, may not get everything they want, but will do what they can?

I want a President that can get something done, I don’t see that in Bernie.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:04:02am

re: #158 darthstar

How much did she lose by? I understood the pre-primary spread was something like 16.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:04:16am

A President with great election period rhetoric, or a President who will get shit done? Hmm.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:04:20am

re: #173 Tigger2

I want a President that can get something done, I don’t see that in Bernie.

Really. In an ideal world, Bernie would be my man. But in the flawed real world we live in, HRC is the most viable choice.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:04:25am

re: #159 Nyet

Counting the “I“‘s used to be the wingnuts’ favorite pastime.

Now that they have their own messiahs it isn’t as useful to them.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:05:57am

re: #173 Tigger2

Without getting enough Democrats into Congress - turning the House and/or Senate blue, whoever is President - Bernie or Hillary - will face an impossible task of trying to get anything accomplished from their campaign promises.

The race for the WH is tied to GOTV and making sure that Democrats can turn the House or Senate blue. That’s got to be the goal. Winning the WH is important, but that’s a starting point. Then maintaining and growing the GOTV for midterms and off-year elections to keep rolling back the extreme right wing agenda.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:11:53am

re: #170 darthstar

Americans’ apathy will be there after the election regardless. The question is, do you want a president who has no expectations or one who has goals and, like Obama, may not get everything they want, but will do what they can?

See that’s the flaw in the Political Revolution Bernie talks about “apathy” his Revolution would die out pretty fast after the election. We saw that after Obama was elected.

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KGxvi  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:14:30am

re: #178 lawhawk

There is a possibility that the Dems can retake the Senate in 2016. They’ll probably have to hold Nevada and Colorado. But wins in Florida, Illinois, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin aren’t out of the realm of possibilities. That’d put them at 51 if they ran the table. Depending on who is running North Carolina and Ohio could also be in play.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:15:10am

re: #178 lawhawk

Without getting enough Democrats into Congress - turning the House and/or Senate blue, whoever is President - Bernie or Hillary - will face an impossible task of trying to get anything accomplished from their campaign promises.

The race for the WH is tied to GOTV and making sure that Democrats can turn the House or Senate blue. That’s got to be the goal. Winning the WH is important, but that’s a starting point. Then maintaining and growing the GOTV for midterms and off-year elections to keep rolling back the extreme right wing agenda.

I’m old I have seen the Party try and get people out to vote in the midterms, no matter what they try it has never worked. That is a bad problem in the party.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:19:12am

For me, it’s pretty simple. The president wears a number of hats:
1. The Chief Executive
2. The Commander in Chief
3. The final decider on bills
4. Appointer to other offices

The third one is what most people who support Sanders argue in favor of. But here’s the deal, most of the time, like 93%, the two of them are the same.

As for the others, it goes like this:
1. Sanders thinks most things have an economic lens. Not everything does. Minority and women’s rights have a non-economic point to them, and I’m still not convinced he sees that.
2. We’ve seen how weak Sander is on this area.
4. They’re a wash to me, other than I don’t know how focused Sanders would be on making sure appointees represent women and minorities in their proportion to the population.

Thus, two out of four are a wash, and two, to me, highly favor Clinton.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:21:23am

re: #180 KGxvi

I have doubts that we will manage to retake the Senate given the current race projections.

Another thing to note, Republican primary voters in both Iowa and New Hampshire outnumbered Democratic party voters.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:25:26am

Frum’s computer is pseudo-randomly generating ersatz analyses again:

Democracy Won in New Hampshire

The tight grip of oligarchy upon the American political system slipped a little last night in New Hampshire.

On the Democratic side, voters cast their ballots for one of the most implausible candidates in modern presidential history—less because his rhetoric was so mesmerizing or his program so inspiring than as a protest against an expected winner perceived as a lavishly compensated servitor of organized wealth.

[…]

On the Republican side, the upset was, if possible, even more stunning. For 20 years and more, Republican presidential contests have operated as a policy cartel. Concerns that animate actual Republican voters—declining middle-class wages, immigration, retirement security—have been tacitly ruled out of bounds. […]

This year’s Republican contest, however, has proved a case study of Sigmund Freud’s “return of the repressed.” […]

Frum tries, really hard.

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KGxvi  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:25:35am

re: #181 Tigger2

Midterm turnout has been lower than presidential elections since the 1840s.

My guess is it is mostly due to the fact that there’s no galvanizing top of the ticket election. This article shows that states in 2014 that had either gubernatorial or senate elections (or both) actually saw an increase in turnout from 2010 to 2014. So maybe there’s something to that.

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KGxvi  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:29:51am

re: #183 ausador

I have doubts that we will manage to retake the Senate given the current race projections.

Another thing to note, Republican primary voters in both Iowa and New Hampshire outnumbered Democratic party voters.

To turn the “Sanders will have no coattails” issue on the Republicans, does anyone believe that any of the GOP contenders will have coattails? Because of the states I listed, only North Carolina and Ohio have a favorable Republican rating, and they are both under R+3 I believe.

Running the table in that scenario isn’t easy. But I have a feeling that this presidential election, as weird as it’s been, is going to see two nominees with limited coattails. So if there are “good” nominees in the Senate elections, it could help. Of course, with the limited coattails, I think we could also be looking at historic low voter turnout too, in which case I will return to my default position regarding this election: fuck if I know.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:32:13am

re: #186 KGxvi

To turn the “Sanders will have no coattails” issue on the Republicans, does anyone believe that any of the GOP contenders will have coattails? Because of the states I listed, only North Carolina and Ohio have a favorable Republican rating, and they are both under R+3 I believe.

Running the table in that scenario isn’t easy. But I have a feeling that this presidential election, as weird as it’s been, is going to see two nominees with limited coattails. So if there are “good” nominees in the Senate elections, it could help. Of course, with the limited coattails, I think we could also be looking at historic low voter turnout too, in which case I will return to my default position regarding this election: fuck if I know.

I think the Senate candidates are really important.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:33:52am

re: #185 KGxvi

Midterm turnout has been lower than presidential elections since the 1840s.

My guess is it is mostly due to the fact that there’s no galvanizing top of the ticket election. This article shows that states in 2014 that had either gubernatorial or senate elections (or both) actually saw an increase in turnout from 2010 to 2014. So maybe there’s something to that.

I hope that keeps up, to really change the country it’s going to have to be at the local and state levels.Then you can build up from that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:35:59am

re: #188 Tigger2

I hope that keeps up, to really change the country it’s going to have to be at the local and state levels.

Indeed the state legislatures are so important and yet the elections for those has the lowest turnout. He who wins the turnout battle is really important.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:38:51am

I wonder if the turnout will be very low this year. Maybe Trump can bring a larger turnout, but I can’t imagine the other GOP possibilities doing anything but turning off entire voter blocs.

Hillary - I just don’t see her motivating people to vote. Sure, she will have supporters, but again, she has many detractors too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:40:02am

re: #190 freetoken

I wonder if the turnout will be very low this year. Maybe Trump can bring a larger turnout, but I can’t imagine the other GOP possibilities doing anything but turning off entire voter blocs.

Hillary - I just don’t see her motivating people to vote. Sure, she will have supporters, but again, she has many detractors too.

I dunno. Maybe I’m overseeing it but I think a lot of women will be excited to have a woman at the top of the ticket like African-Americans were with Obama.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:46:22am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

I dunno. Maybe I’m overseeing it but I think a lot of women will be excited to have a woman at the top of the ticket like African-Americans were with Obama.

According to a study I saw, it’s estimated that Obama’s support from whites was about 2-3% lower than it would have been if he was white.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:47:51am

re: #192 Belafon

According to a study I saw, it’s estimated that Obama’s support from whites was about 2-3% lower than it would have been if he was white.

Interesting.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:51:50am

So it seems that Trump’s solution for North Korea is to get China to make him disappear:
dailykos.com

“I would get China to make that guy disappear in one form or another very quickly,” Trump said on “CBS This Morning.” He didn’t clarify whether disappearing was equivalent to being assassinated but said, “Well, I’ve heard of worse things, frankly.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:52:45am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

I dunno. Maybe I’m overseeing it but I think a lot of women will be excited to have a woman at the top of the ticket like African-Americans were with Obama.

and misogynists from coast to coast will be commenting on it…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:53:04am

re: #194 Belafon

So it seems that Trump’s solution for North Korea is to get China to make him disappear:
dailykos.com

Sheehs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:53:24am

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and misogynists from coast to coast will be commenting on it…

Yeah I’m sure they will be just like the racists were with Obama. Fuck em.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:53:28am

re: #194 Belafon

So it seems that Trump’s solution for North Korea is to get China to make him disappear:
dailykos.com

Yes. Because it is capital-P Presidential to make open threats to another world leader.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:53:42am

re: #192 Belafon

According to a study I saw, it’s estimated that Obama’s support from whites was about 2-3% lower than it would have been if he was white.

It would be encouraging if that’s true.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:54:11am

re: #199 Decatur Deb

It would be encouraging if that’s true.

I always thought Obama under-performed in the Rust Belt due to racism.

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withak  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:54:36am

re: #194 Belafon

So it seems that Trump’s solution for North Korea is to get China to make him disappear:
dailykos.com

Yes, because a 33-year-old’s iron grip on that country is the only thing keeping them from changing from a dystopian dictatorship into a prosperous, free democracy.

Even when you strip away one level of cluelessness, there’s more underneath. Vote Trump!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:55:06am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

I always thought Obama under-performed in the Rust Belt due to racism.

too busy clinging to their guns and Bibles to go vote for him…

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:55:09am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

I always thought Obama under-performed in the Rust Belt due to racism.

More accurate.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:55:55am

re: #201 withak

Yes, because a 33-year-old’s iron grip on that country is the only thing keeping them from changing from a dystopian dictatorship into a prosperous, free democracy.

Even when you strip away one level of cluelessness, there’s more underneath. Vote Trump!

He’ll build a wall all across the DMZ. Oh…never mind.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:57:20am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:57:27am

re: #203 Franklin

More accurate.

I know but I brought up the RB since that’s an area where Obama struggled where even Gore and Kerry who under performed him as a whole did better.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:57:47am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

too busy clinging to their guns and Bibles to go vote for him…

For sure.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:57:58am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

I know but I brought up the RB since that’s an area where Obama struggled where even Gore and Kerry who under performed him as a whole did better.

I know :) Was being tongue-in-cheek!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:59:29am

re: #208 Franklin

I know :) Was being tongue-in-cheek!

A-ha. Anyhow I think my hypothetical is this. Each party’s candidate should get around 45% each.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:00:08am

re: #205 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Supreme Court Deals Blow to Obama’s Efforts to Regulate Coal Emissions

And how is everyone this morning?

It’s been said here and elsewhere already, but that is what’s on the line in this election. Shaping the SCOTUS for the next 30 years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:00:50am

re: #208 Franklin

I know :) Was being tongue-in-cheek!

I have also been like that as long as I can remember. I also recall that our family were always making jokes and cracks.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:01:04am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

I dunno. Maybe I’m overseeing it but I think a lot of women will be excited to have a woman at the top of the ticket like African-Americans were with Obama.

I’m amazed at the number of women I talk to who “don’t like her”.

It reminds me of the comments made by the comments made by women in the preview audience for the Star Trek pilot back in the 1960’s when they viewed female Yeoman on the Bridge — “who does she think she is?”

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:01:15am

re: #192 Belafon

According to a study I saw, it’s estimated that Obama’s support from whites was about 2-3% lower than it would have been if he was white.

2-3% nationwide, but 5-7% in some states.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:01:51am

re: #210 Franklin

It’s been said here and elsewhere already, but that is what’s on the line in this election. Shaping the SCOTUS for the next 30 years.

yup!

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:03:24am

re: #212 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’m amazed at the number of women I talk to who “don’t like her”.

Seconded. And none of them have yet been willing to tell me why.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:04:17am

Wait. Wut?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:04:28am

re: #215 Testy Toad T

Seconded. And none of them have yet been willing to tell me why.

Queen Bee Syndrome —IMHO

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:05:08am

re: #216 lawhawk

Wait. Wut?

[Embedded content]

tax churches!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:05:11am

re: #216 lawhawk

Wait. Wut?

[Embedded content]

Another ram down throat? And man those teeth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:05:27am

re: #210 Franklin

It’s been said here and elsewhere already, but that is what’s on the line in this election. Shaping the SCOTUS for the next 30 years.

And the point is that the GOP is full of people who want to turn back the gains we have made in personal freedoms as well as LGBT, women’s, consumer and minority rights.

Not to mention the (a;ready eroded) gains made in employee rights safety and the environment.

And a GOP president putting his stamp on the Supreme Court would be a big setback on all fronts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:06:01am

re: #212 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’m amazed at the number of women I talk to who “don’t like her”.

It reminds me of the comments made by the comments made by women in the preview audience for the Star Trek pilot back in the 1960’s when they viewed female Yeoman on the Bridge — “who does she think she is?”

It happens unfortunately.. I just know though if she’s nominated and elected, we’re going to see the same derpage of sexism that we have with racism under Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:07:07am

It’s not just the Supreme Court but also the circuit courts too. Another reason why I have more faith in Clinton than Sanders at this point is i bet you good money that she already has a good idea at who she would like to see on the court.

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withak  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:07:28am
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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:07:35am
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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:08:05am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

The thing about that is these types have this notion that because the US did a lot of shitty things during the Cold War that it means the right hyped the totalitarianism and control of other countries the USSR had. I’m honestly worried if Bernie is the nominee, it’s going to be even more red baiting than we saw with Obama and Bernie actually had his honeymoon in the USSR. I just think so many of Sanders’ weaknesses as a candidate are overlooked because purity is valued more than actual leadership skills.

You are the first person I’ve seen mention Bernie being married in the USSR. Do you or anyone here at LGF have any links to that information.

If that is the case, I hope Bernie supporters realize the Republicans are going to use some info like that to cause all kinds of scary Bernie Commie stories.

This could be another Lee Harvey Oswald type story all over again. The old “what was he doing in Russia” while he was there slime tactic.

In a way, I am surprised that hasn’t been mentioned by the Clinton people. It may very well may be used as this race heats up.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:09:10am

re: #223 withak

Christie is done.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:10:15am

re: #115 Big Beautiful Door

One last story in the Kim Davis saga. Judge Bunning has ruled that the marriage licenses her office issued in which she removed her name are likely valid under Kentucky law, so she doesn’t have to re-issue them. This likely ends the controversy, except for the inevitable denial of her appeals.

kentucky.com

Are there still personal lawsuits pending against her?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:10:16am

re: #223 withak

Christie is done.

It’s unfortunate he chose to be a giant fiery hard-right douche in addition to being an asshole and a bully. I’m not totally convinced the republican party he wants to inhabit is one that is anywhere near this radical, and in another era, I can imagine him being a person who genuinely tried to work for the citizens who elected him (although not in directions I necessarily agreed with).

But we’re in 2016, and he chose primary electability over whatever personal beliefs he might have. See ya, chump.

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plansbandc  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:10:17am

Another ditty from my FB.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:10:54am

WORST. MUSLIM. EVER.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:11:24am

re: #225 ObserverArt

You are the first person I’ve seen mention Bernie being married in the USSR. Do you or anyone here at LGF have any links to that information.

If that is the case, I hope Bernie supporters realize the Republicans are going to use some info like that to cause all kinds of scary Bernie Commie stories.

This could be another Lee Harvey Oswald type story all over again. The old “what was he doing in Russia” while he was there slime tactic.

In a way, I am surprised that hasn’t been mentioned by the Clinton people. It may very well may be used as this race heats up.

It’s actually pretty benign IMO but that won’t stop the Republicans who want to lump every socialist who has ever lived in with Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.
politifact.com

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:11:29am

re: #229 plansbandc

Embedded Image

Another ditty from my FB.

It’s useful for things like this to happen now and then. They’re excellent signals for who needs to be pruned from my facebook lists.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:12:07am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

It’s not just the Supreme Court but also the circuit courts too. Another reason why I have more faith in Clinton than Sanders at this point is i bet you good money that she already has a good idea at who she would like to see on the court.

Great point.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:12:13am

re: #229 plansbandc

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Another ditty from my FB.

Beyonce was so racist that she had the very white band, Coldplay perform with her. I am so sick of this whiny right wing crap.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:13:15am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

WORST. MUSLIM. EVER.

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If I was Obama I would come on TV eating a Ham and Bacon club sandwich just to troll the wingnuts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:13:16am

re: #233 Franklin

Great point.

I could make the same argument about other offices too. There’s a lot of things to said about Hillary Clinton but I think anyone even her greatest detractors should be able to agree that she’s prepared.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:13:25am

re: #225 ObserverArt

You are the first person I’ve seen mention Bernie being married in the USSR. Do you or anyone here at LGF have any links to that information.

If that is the case, I hope Bernie supporters realize the Republicans are going to use some info like that to cause all kinds of scary Bernie Commie stories.

This could be another Lee Harvey Oswald type story all over again. The old “what was he doing in Russia” while he was there slime tactic.

In a way, I am surprised that hasn’t been mentioned by the Clinton people. It may very well may be used as this race heats up.

From this point the race should start to cool down:

It Gets Harder From Here For Bernie Sanders

fivethirtyeight.com

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:14:08am

Chris Matthews: ‘There is a troll-like quality to Cruz — he operates below the level of human life’

Following Donald Trump’s win in the New Hampshire Republican presidential primary, a panel on MSNBC speculated that Cruz could be the billionaire’s biggest challenger in the weeks to come.

“There’s a troll-like quality to Cruz,” Matthews explained to co-host Joe Scarborough. “He operates below the level of human life.”

“That’s a little tough!” Scarborough interrupted. “You have not gotten sleep. We’re going to try that again.”

“Can I not have an opinion?” Matthews shot back.

“Not that opinion,” Scarborough insisted.

“I think he appeals to people’s negativity rather than their joy,” Matthews observed. “I don’t think people feel good about voting for Cruz.”

Whoa, Matthews had a moment of clarity yesterday.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:14:14am

re: #223 withak

Christie is done.

Hasta.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:14:20am

re: #229 plansbandc

Embedded Image

Another ditty from my FB.

THOSE EVIL BLACK PANTHERS:

At its inception on October 15,[4] 1966, the Black Panther Party’s core practice was its armed citizens’ patrols to monitor the behavior of police officers and challenge police brutality in Oakland, California. In 1969, community social programs became a core activity of party members.[5] The Black Panther Party instituted a variety of community social programs, most extensively the Free Breakfast for Children Programs, and community health clinics. (link)

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:14:53am

re: #229 plansbandc

I suspect it wouldn’t be very hard to find groups of white people with their fists up. And if those were the uniforms of the Black Panther ladies, then where does this white man sign up.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:14:55am

re: #237 Decatur Deb

From this point the race should start to cool down:

It Gets Harder From Here For Bernie Sanders

fivethirtyeight.com

Yep. In the context of being an extremely strong supporter of Clinton over Sanders, I am wary but not exactly panicking.

SMDH, Democratic Party. Could you possibly have two less representative states lead off your selection process? It’s fucking ridiculous.

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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:15:12am

WTFITS:

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:15:31am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Hasta.

Show some respect, speak Joisey.

It’s: “AMF”.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:15:45am

re: #240 Franklin

THOSE EVIL BLACK PANTHERS:

black men with gunz are always bad

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:16:34am

Also, the Clinton camp played a very stupid campaign in 2008. Anybody who doesn’t think she and her advisors learned anything from that experience is engaging in wishful/paranoid thinking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:16:44am

re: #229 plansbandc

Embedded Image

Another ditty from my FB.

how anyone can look at all the booty and see only politics is beyond me…

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:16:50am

re: #240 Franklin

THOSE EVIL BLACK PANTHERS:

Cops don’t need to be monitored unless they are trying to arrest white people.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:16:58am

re: #229 plansbandc

Embedded Image

Another ditty from my FB.

I always unfriend anyone that is so blindly obtuse. My last mass unfriending occurred after Huckabee’s Chick-fil-A hatefest day. My feed is much more peaceful now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:17:18am

re: #240 Franklin

THOSE EVIL BLACK PANTHERS:

My Dad has always brought up their breakfasts when he’s talked about the Black Panthers. They also did a lot to keep drugs off the streets of their neighborhoods. A lot of people don’t understand why Huey Newton felt the need to found the Panthers in the first place. There was understandably a lot of frustration for how the Civil Rights Movement was progressing. Honestly the way the Civil Rights protesters were treated in the American South resembled something out of totalitarian dictatorship and not a democracy but you don’t see wingnuts talking about that when they patronize Black Americans today for “not doing what MLK would have wanted.”

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gwangung  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:17:52am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

how anyone can look at all the booty and see only politics is beyond me…

And what, exactly, was bigoted about Beyonce’s routing OR song?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:18:44am

re: #251 gwangung

And what, exactly, was bigoted about Beyonce’s routing OR song?

I noticed nothing at all at the time. But some people are obviously more sensitive to being outraged than I am

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:19:26am

re: #249 Dr. Matt

I always unfriend anyone that is so blindly obtuse. My last mass unfriending occurred after Huckabee’s Chick-fil-A hatefest day.

I grew tired of purging so I deleted my FB entirely.

Having to do that reminded me of “Why should I change, he’s the one who sucks”

Michael Bolton

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:20:33am

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Show some respect, speak Joisey.

AMF

No hablo Jersey.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:20:44am

re: #251 gwangung

And what, exactly, was bigoted about Beyonce’s routing OR song?

She said “negro.” If white’s can’t say it, then blacks can’t. //

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:21:24am

re: #253 Franklin

I grew tired of purging so I deleted my FB entirely.

Having to do that reminded me of “Why should I change, he’s the one who sucks”

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Video

Yeah, but if I deleted Facebook where would I see pics of my friend’s kids going off to school and updates about people heading to and/or leaving the gym?

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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:21:34am

re: #242 Testy Toad T

SMDH, Democratic Party. Could you possibly have two less representative states lead off your selection process? It’s fucking ridiculous.

I despise the current setup we have. No offense to any Lizards who are in Iowa or New Hampshire, but neither state is relevant to the eventual general election.

If I had my way, We’d have a series of mutli-state primaries starting on February 1 until everyone’s voted. A minimum of 5 states per week for ten weeks. Hell, keep Super Tuesday just to shorten the process. Then start the general election on July 1 through Election Day. No more of this bullshit where candidates waste a year in Iowa and New Hampshire before anyone votes.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:21:54am

re: #251 gwangung

And what, exactly, was bigoted about Beyonce’s routing OR song?

It criticized police actions and supported the BLM movement. It’s so fucking funny seeing the people who insist that people these days offend way too easily well offending way too easily. Maybe if Beyonce called Obama a tyrant who deserves to be shot into the sun , she’d make wingnut fans.

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gwangung  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:22:02am

re: #255 Belafon

She said “negro.” If white’s can’t say it, then blacks can’t. //

I think that might be one of them. But, that sorta ignores the two tons of irony she laid over it….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:22:25am

re: #257 Lidane

I despise the current setup we have. No offense to any Lizards who are in Iowa or New Hampshire, but neither state is relevant to the eventual general election.

If I had my way, We’d have a series of mutli-state primaries starting on February 1 until everyone’s voted. A minimum of 5 states per week for ten weeks. Hell, keep Super Tuesday just to shorten the process. Then start the general election on July 1 through Election Day. No more of this bullshit where candidates waste a year in Iowa and New Hampshire before anyone votes.

I like this idea.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:22:34am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Yeah, but if I deleted Facebook where would I see pics of my friend’s kids going off to school and updates about people heading to and/or leaving the gym?

I thought that was what FB was for, not about discussing politics. I occasionally put up the occasional post without comment (like the post upthread about saving our throats for Jesus)

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:22:54am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

No hablo Jersey.

“I gotcher majority right here, Christie.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:24:20am

re: #259 gwangung

I think that might be one of them. But, that sorta ignores the two tons of irony she laid over it….

Well shit dude, remember how they flipped out over Obama using the n-word in that one interview. Wingnuts are just intentionally some of the most obtuse motherfuckers you’ll meet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:25:30am

re: #262 Decatur Deb

“I gotcher majority right here, Christie.”

i prefer Pittsburghnese. A much more elegant East Coast language.

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gwangung  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:26:59am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

It criticized police actions and supported the BLM movement.

Let’s just say that this is a strain that underlies the white left, too. See how some Sanders fans don’t understand why BLM has been cool to Sanders….economic inequality has to take a back seat to basic survival, after all….

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:27:36am

re: #158 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Hell of a primary last night. There were wins by both a Jew and a Nazi.

Seriously, though…I know Trump isn’t a Nazi, he just sympathizes with them. I still can’t believe he’s the GOP front runner. I expected him to hang around and be a constant reminder of how fucked up the Republican party is. I just didn’t expect them to surrender to Trump.

On the sane side of the aisle, we had a great illustration why Sanders did so much better than expected (expectations were that he’d win, but that Hillary would be close enough to keep the narrative under control). If you look at the speeches by Hillary and Bernie (yes, Bernie’s is long but you only have to watch a few minutes of it to see what I’m talking about) the differences between the two candidates couldn’t be further apart.

In her speech, she said, “I will fight for you.” and “I will work hard” and “I will” “I will” “I will” “I will” while in his speech, Bernie almost exclusively said “We will”. He offers a vision and a goal. There are things he wants to achieve. She offers to fight.

This is similar to 2008 when Hillary tried the 3am call and said she would be there to answer the phone and Obama said to us, “This isn’t about me. It’s about you, the voters.”

I see what you are saying, but that is all just talk. What about all the concerns about how “we” are going to proceed to achieve Bernie’s ideas of heavy change in our economic system which in his thinking touches all aspects of modern American life.

I’ve got no problem with we. I just want to really understand how we are going to do this, and so far there are a lot of questions by some pretty sharp people that are also wondering how we are going to get ‘er done.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:27:36am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

i prefer Pittsburghnese. A much more elegant East Coast language.

Kid gave me a gift card to our Stillers bar, so we could watch them in the Super Bowl.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:29:02am

re: #265 gwangung

Let’s just say that this is a strain that underlies the white left, too. See how some Sanders fans don’t understand why BLM has been cool to Sanders….economic inequality has to take a back seat to basic survival, after all….

Well there you have in a nutshell why Bernie’s struggling with minority voters. But yeah, I’ve been very upset with the condescension I’ve seen directed at the movement from them. They just don’t get it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:29:49am

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Kid gave me a gift card to our Stillers bar, so we could watch them in the Super Bowl.

Nice. Too bad they didn’t make it.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:30:18am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

The political spectrum, like time, is a flat circle (of DERP).

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:30:41am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:30:43am

Somehow “safe space” just doesn’t mean the same thing in Ferguson and Bennington.

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gwangung  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:32:21am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Well there you have in a nutshell why Bernie’s struggling with minority voters. But yeah, I’ve been very upset with the condescension I’ve seen directed at the movement from them. They just don’t get it.

And Sanders’ meeting with Sharpton is pure pandering (not to mention a bit out of touch; black community has other leaders they follow far more than Sharpton). This is opposed to Clinton’s visit and attention paid to Flint (which drew boos from the Sanders HQ).

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:32:36am

re: #172 darthstar

Not sure who is behind this account, but it can be funny.

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Are you spiking the ball this morning?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:32:42am

re: #270 Franklin

The political spectrum, like time, is a flat circle (of DERP).

Tis true. I think the big difference here though is they mean pretty well but they think they can just point to Bernie’s voting record as a means of getting people enthused and it’s crap. Plus I saw here yesterday that they used a prominent DREAM activist’s name on a list of Latino Sanders supporters in Nevada and that turned out not to be true. Hillary’s got her problems with my generation I’ll be the first to admit that it’s a real problem she has but Bernie’s Bernhards need to admit that Bernie has a problem with racial minorities and I don’t want to hear condescending crap that they’re juts not familiar with him.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:32:55am

Assholes…
Moar wingnut outrage ahead.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:33:13am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Somehow “safe space” just doesn’t mean the same thing in Ferguson and Bennington.

In Texas, it’s where you put the thing to hold your guns.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:33:18am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

i prefer Pittsburghnese. A much more elegant East Coast language.

They like to drink Yuengling beer.

I have heard that is is still a family business, one of the brothers has opened a brew pub in he serves his specialty: bay-leaf beer.

Which has a weird effect, some combination of the laurel oils, hops and alcohol totally numbs the tongue, making it hard to talk.

So to keep people entertained, he has employed clowns, jugglers and acrobats to entertain the guests who otherwise cannot entertain each other by conversing.

And he calls it the…

…wait for it…

Yuengling Brothers Bar Numb on Bay Leaves Circus

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:33:48am

re: #276 ausador

Assholes…
Moar wingnut outrage ahead.

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Nobody but the fringe gave a shit about this story even when it was fresh. Good luck getting more people to care a month later, wingnuts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:33:55am

re: #273 gwangung

And Sanders’ meeting with Sharpton is pure pandering (not to mention a bit out of touch; black community has other leaders they follow far more than Sharpton). This is opposed to Clinton’s visit and attention paid to Flint (which drew boos from the Sanders HQ).

Clinotn’s visit showed much more leadership. They can call it all they want but if Bernie had gone to Flint, they would have praised it as they should have. They shouldn’t be salty about that.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:34:48am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

OK. Time to ride the hamster bike.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:35:06am

re: #182 Belafon

For me, it’s pretty simple. The president wears a number of hats:
1. The Chief Executive
2. The Commander in Chief
3. The final decider on bills
4. Appointer to other offices

The third one is what most people who support Sanders argue in favor of. But here’s the deal, most of the time, like 93%, the two of them are the same.

As for the others, it goes like this:
1. Sanders thinks most things have an economic lens. Not everything does. Minority and women’s rights have a non-economic point to them, and I’m still not convinced he sees that.
2. We’ve seen how weak Sander is on this area.
4. They’re a wash to me, other than I don’t know how focused Sanders would be on making sure appointees represent women and minorities in their proportion to the population.

Thus, two out of four are a wash, and two, to me, highly favor Clinton.

I likes your thinking…defiant little goat avie and all!

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gwangung  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:35:27am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Clinotn’s visit showed much more leadership. They can call it all they want but if Bernie had gone to Flint, they would have praised it as they should have. They shouldn’t be salty about that.

Actually, nothing’s stopping Bernie from going to Flint right now….(and it REALLY fits into his platform).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:35:28am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They like to drink Yuengling beer.

I have heard that is is still a family business, one of the brothers has opened a brew pub in he serves his specialty: bay-leaf beer.

Which has a weird effect, some combination of the laurel oils, hops and alcohol totally numbs the tongue, making it hard to talk.

So to keep people entertained, he has employed clowns, jugglers and acrobats to entertain the guests who otherwise cannot entertain each other by conversing.

And the call it the…

…wait for it…

Yuengling Brothers Bar Numb on Bay Leaves Circus

Iron City or Rolling Rock. I think Yungeling’s more for Philadelphia.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:35:31am

re: #277 Belafon

In Texas, it’s where you put the thing to hold your guns.

And now I have a better one:

In Texas, it’s how many guns you can own before you start having to “give” them to your kids.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:36:39am

re: #283 gwangung

Actually, nothing’s stopping Bernie from going to Flint right now….

Exactly, he can and still should go. And I would not fault him in the slightest. That’s the thing. Anything Clinton does and she gets accused of pandering. Got news for em but Bernie panders too. They all fucking pander. Bernie’s not some snowflake who is different in that regard.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:36:42am

I see John McCain was on Finding Your Roots last night. Will go watch it and see what happens:

pbs.org

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Snarknado!  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:36:51am

re: #212 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’m amazed at the number of women I talk to who “don’t like her”.

It reminds me of the comments made by the comments made by women in the preview audience for the Star Trek pilot back in the 1960’s when they viewed female Yeoman on the Bridge — “who does she think she is?”

If you’re talking about the first pilot, she wasn’t a yeoman, she was the first officer (played by Majel Barret).

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Joe Bacon  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:36:57am

re: #216 lawhawk

Wait. Wut?

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Pulpit Pimp says WHAT?????

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:37:02am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Iron City or Rolling Rock. I think Yungeling’s more for Philadelphia.

Jeez, now I’m gonna be up all night come up with Iron City/Rolling Rock puns…

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:37:02am

re: #283 gwangung

Actually, nothing’s stopping Bernie from going to Flint right now….(and it REALLY fits into his platform).

There’s no Wall Street in Flint. There’s no bern to feel. Why bother?

I’m only half kidding. I am growing extraordinarily irritated with grumpy gramps.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:37:21am

re: #287 freetoken

I see John McCain was on Finding Your Roots last night. Will go watch it and see what happens:

pbs.org

I really should start watching that show given my interest in genealogy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:37:37am

re: #290 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Jeez, now I’m gonna be up all night come up with Iron City/Rolling Rock puns…

Yinz got time.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:38:51am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Clinotn’s visit showed much more leadership. They can call it all they want but if Bernie had gone to Flint, they would have praised it as they should have. They shouldn’t be salty about that.

Some of the Sanders supporters criticisms of Clinton going to Flint sound exactly to me, as a Black man, like many of the GOP criticisms of why Black people overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:39:36am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

TAQIYYA - proofs he is muzlim infillititraitor

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:39:43am
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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:39:54am

Christie got no love from NH, despite spending all his time there. He now returns to NJ, where he gets no love either.

Heckuva job there Chris!

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:39:56am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I really should start watching that show given my interest in genealogy.

I’ve watched all the episodes now for all three seasons, except for last night. PBS streams online for a few weeks then locks an episode away and you have to buy the DVD or be one of those paying members.

Gates spins American history - the show weaves family history into the larger historical narratives - and most people like the show.

Some people complain that Gates brings up slavery too often.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:40:14am

re: #205 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Supreme Court Deals Blow to Obama’s Efforts to Regulate Coal Emissions

And how is everyone this morning?

Cold. Confused.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:40:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:40:52am

re: #297 lawhawk

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Christie got no love from NH, despite spending all his time there. He now returns to NJ, where he gets no love either.

Heckuva job there Chris!

He hugged Hillary, and like Vince Foster, he pays the price…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:41:06am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Iron City or Rolling Rock. I think Yungeling’s more for Philadelphia.

That’s “Arn City”.
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:41:20am

re: #294 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Some of the Sanders supporters criticisms of Clinton going to Flint sound exactly to me, as a Black man, like many of the GOP criticisms of why Black people overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.

Appreciate your perspective on this. The condescending bullshit just drives me nuts. The one i’ve seen and really hate is pointing out Bernie’s participation as a Freedom Rider and really props to him for doing that, I want to think had I been a young man in the 60’s, I would have been brave enough to do that but then the lame attacks on Clinton who was a teenager supporting Goldwater. I mean she sure as hell was wrong but I’ll be damned if I don’t call it utterly crass to attack someone for what they supported at 16 and this from someone who was very much a lefty activist type at that age,.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:42:14am

re: #276 ausador

Iran publishes new pictures showing American navy crying while captured by Iranians: t.co pic.twitter.com
— ilhan tanir (@WashingtonPoint) February 10, 2016

I probably shouldn’t give Sarah Palin et al. and ideas, but I’m sure it will go something like:
The sailors are crying because Obummer is the Commander in Chief!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:43:34am

re: #304 Dr. Matt

I probably shouldn’t give Sarah Palin et al and ideas, but I’m sure it will go something like:
The sailors are crying because Obummer is the Commander in Chief!

Or because Obama has corrupted American manliness and turned even our soldiers and sailors into whimpering pussies…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:43:40am

re: #298 freetoken

I’ve watched all the episodes now for all three seasons, except for last night. PBS streams online for a few weeks then locks an episode away and you have to buy the DVD or be one of those paying members.

Gates spins American history - the show weaves family history into the larger historical narratives - and most people like the show.

Some people complain that Gates brings up slavery too often.

That sounds like what I’m interested in. See, in my research, I’m constantly trying to imagine the bigger American picture. I wonder about why my family chose to go to certain places and I wonder about their place in all the change that has occurred throughout the centuries. I’m pretty stoked at how my research is goiing though. The DNA test got me in touch with a distant cousin whose great grandparents very likely had a boarding house where my great grandfather first lived when he emigrated.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:43:46am

Bill O’Reilly was on an episode of FYR this season.

The DNA test brought up something ironic…

He is a not-too-distant cousin to fellow Irish descendant Bill Maher, who is in the same episode, which Maher found hard to stomach.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:44:35am

re: #300 Tigger2

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:44:40am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:45:21am

re: #298 freetoken

I’ve watched all the episodes now for all three seasons, except for last night. PBS streams online for a few weeks then locks an episode away and you have to buy the DVD or be one of those paying members.

Gates spins American history - the show weaves family history into the larger historical narratives - and most people like the show.

Some people complain that Gates brings up slavery too often.

I need to watch that show.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:46:32am

re: #283 gwangung

Actually, nothing’s stopping Bernie from going to Flint right now….(and it REALLY fits into his platform).

If Bernie went now it would undercut all his Twitter followers complaining about Hillary pandering. She just can’t catch a break with some folks, every single thing she does is seen with the utmost cynicism. Apparently her only motivation in life is to make money and to help the rich get richer according to some. Which to me just proves that they don’t know a damn thing about what makes people go into politics.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:46:36am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Appreciate your perspective on this. The condescending bullshit just drives me nuts. The one i’ve seen and really hate is pointing out Bernie’s participation as a Freedom Rider and really props to him for doing that, I want to think had I been a young man in the 60’s, I would have been brave enough to do that but then the lame attacks on Clinton who was a teenager supporting Goldwater.

It ties into a broader feeling to me (and this is hard to articulate) that Sanders is running on his past in a little bit more of a checklist-y sort of way. So often, a nuanced question about [topic] receives a circle-back answer to [achievement].

What’s your plan on Syria? Well I voted against the Iraq war!
What’s your plan on how to deal with growing income inequality? Well Glass-Steagall!
What’s your plan on a growing awareness of systemic police violence focused on black people? Freedom Rider!

In fairness, this is probably coming much more from Sanders’ supporters than the candidate himself.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:46:37am

re: #309 Charles Johnson

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That sounds like something a terrorist would say before murdering a hostage.

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Snarknado!  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:47:57am

re: #309 Charles Johnson

And sure enough they did — they banned you, Chuckie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:48:39am

re: #312 Testy Toad T

It ties into a broader feeling to me (and this is hard to articulate) that Sanders is running on his past in a little bit more of a checklist-y sort of way. So often, a nuanced question about [topic] receives a circle-back answer to [achievement].

What’s your plan on Syria? Well I voted against the Iraq war!
What’s your plan on how to deal with growing income inequality? Well Glass-Steagall!
What’s your plan on a growing awareness of systemic police violence focused on black people? Freedom Rider!

In fairness, this is probably coming much more from Sanders’ supporters than the candidate himself.

Yeah that’s true and I have seen some of the even more obnoxious Bernie supporters I know say that they shouldn’t attack her for the Goldwater Girl status. I just think yeah there’s way too much on the past and not about the future. I am glad he voted correctly about all those things and that makes me think he’d be a great legislator and one I’d honestly be lucky to have compared to the one I have now who made her bones in the Clinton years trying to bring down Bill.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:48:43am

re: #298 freetoken

I’ve watched all the episodes now for all three seasons, except for last night. PBS streams online for a few weeks then locks an episode away and you have to buy the DVD or be one of those paying members.

Gates spins American history - the show weaves family history into the larger historical narratives - and most people like the show.

Some people complain that Gates brings up slavery too often.

More than likely, you are either a descendent of a slave, the descendent of the owner of slaves, or the descendent of someone who fought against slavery. Genealogy is history, and American genealogy is American history.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:49:04am

re: #310 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I need to watch that show.

The only thing I don’t like about it is that Gates makes genealogy look too easy, and indeed makes history in general look too easy.

That’s the problem with all these shows that tend to mostly (or sometimes only) show the “answer” and not the process. FYR does cover a little bit of “process”, but the supplemental material is really better for that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:49:10am

re: #309 Charles Johnson

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Like Boone in Animal House, when all the cops are holding him down - “Okay, now I’m REALLY mad!”

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:50:31am

re: #316 Belafon

Yeah, until I took over the family tree I hadn’t realized that I too had slave-owning ancestors. It’s hard to be an American who has Colonial era ancestors and not have ancestors who were involved in slavery to some extent.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:50:42am

re: #317 freetoken

The only thing I don’t like about it is that Gates makes genealogy look too easy, and indeed makes history in general look too easy.

That’s the problem with all these shows that tend to mostly (or sometimes only) show the “answer” and not the process. FYR does cover a little bit of “process”, but the supplemental material is really better for that.

Well the process doesn’t make for good television I guess heh. You do make a good point though. As for the slavery, I think it’s perfectly reasonable of Professor Gates to focus on that given its role in our history. You just can’t hide from it and as Belafon just said so many African-Americans are direct descendants of slaves and or slave owners.

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CarolJ  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:51:17am

Mostly True, but it was part of a Sister Cities Program

However, he narrated a documentary on Eugene Debs as well. Eugene Debs, who nobody current remembers, was a Socialist candidate for President in the nineteens.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:51:23am

re: #309 Charles Johnson

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Rage Furby is still acting like a jilted lover over Twitter. One of his followers needs to tell Rage Furby that Twitter is just not into him.

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:51:40am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

As for the slavery, I think it’s perfectly reasonable of Professor Gates to focus on that given its role in our history.

But Beyoncé.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:51:44am

re: #316 Belafon

More than likely, you are either a descendent of a slave, the descendent of the owner of slaves, or the descendent of someone who fought against slavery. Genealogy is history, and American genealogy is American history.

My family all arrived after the Civil War, so we are exempt.

For that, I grew up in Gary, Indiana in the late 1960’s. My widowed mom could not afford to join the other white families in fleeing to the suburbs, so we remained a minority white family in our neighborhood.

So I have very little patience with “racial realists” who have never shared a neighborhood or even a public facility with a black person.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:52:17am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I am glad he voted correctly about all those things and that makes me think he’d be a great legislator and one I’d honestly be lucky to have compared to the one I have now who made her bones in the Clinton years trying to bring down Bill.

Here’s the thing: so few of Sanders’ achievements (for lack of a better word) illustrate to me that he weighed a complex set of variables with care and circumspection and made the right challenging choice.

If you vote against every military action, and then you vote against Operation Iraqi Freedom, does that mean you were right about being suspicious about WMD evidence, or concerned about igniting a broader conflict in the region, or an inability to set up a better replacement government to replace the Saddam power vacuum? Or does it just mean you vote against every military action?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:53:01am

re: #319 freetoken

Yeah, until I took over the family tree I hadn’t realized that I too had slave-owning ancestors. It’s hard to be an American who has Colonial era ancestors and not have ancestors who were involved in slavery to some extent.

Either on the owning side or trading side. So yeah just because you might have nothing but Yankee roots, don’t think that means you got a get out of slaveowner ancestor jail free card but at the same time if you’ve got Southern roots, don’t think that means your forefathers were necessarily slave owners. People moved around. A lot of people don’t know that Jefferson Davis’s father was from…………………..Philly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:54:19am

re: #325 Testy Toad T

Here’s the thing: so few of Sanders’ achievements (for lack of a better word) illustrate to me that he weighed a complex set of variables with care and circumspection and made the right challenging choice.

If you vote against every military action, and then you vote against Operation Iraqi Freedom, does that mean you were right about being suspicious about WMD evidence, or concerned about igniting a broader conflict in the region, or an inability to set up a better replacement government to replace the Saddam power vacuum? Or does it just mean you vote against every military action?

That’s fair. But I’m just saying that I’d rather have him than Barbara Comstock.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:55:28am

re: #321 CarolJ

Mostly True, but it was part of a Sister Cities Program

However, he narrated a documentary on Eugene Debs as well. Eugene Debs, who nobody current remembers, was a Socialist candidate for President in the nineteens.

As I said pretty benign stuff but I don’t think that would stop the Republicans. I’m sure they’ll spin it that he honeymooned in Moscow and got a tour of the Lubaynka building.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:56:09am

re: #212 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’m amazed at the number of women I talk to who “don’t like her”.

It reminds me of the comments made by the comments made by women in the preview audience for the Star Trek pilot back in the 1960’s when they viewed female Yeoman on the Bridge — “who does she think she is?”

Do you have any personal feeling as to why women are so reluctant. Is it a competition thing, a she-thinks-she-is-better-than-us type of thinking, jealousy…what?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:57:26am

Right out of the onion: Florida Man Strikes Again

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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:58:17am

re: #297 lawhawk

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Christie got no love from NH, despite spending all his time there. He now returns to NJ, where he gets no love either.

Heckuva job there Chris!

So who will Gov. Bridgegate endorse?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:58:48am

re: #331 Lidane

So who will Gov. Bridgegate endorse?

That’s a good question.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 8:59:41am

re: #257 Lidane

I despise the current setup we have. No offense to any Lizards who are in Iowa or New Hampshire, but neither state is relevant to the eventual general election.

If I had my way, We’d have a series of mutli-state primaries starting on February 1 until everyone’s voted. A minimum of 5 states per week for ten weeks. Hell, keep Super Tuesday just to shorten the process. Then start the general election on July 1 through Election Day. No more of this bullshit where candidates waste a year in Iowa and New Hampshire before anyone votes.

I like the idea of low-population states starting us off with some retail politics, give those with low budgets and/or low name recognition a chance to prove themselves. But Iowa and New Hampshire are so non-representative, I’d rather two different states.

Rhode Island has cities and suburbs, all economic strata, ethnic and religious diversity. Montana has small towns, rural/agricultural types, and a surprisingly diverse range of industries and environmental interests.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:00:00am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

It’s actually pretty benign IMO but that won’t stop the Republicans who want to lump every socialist who has ever lived in with Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.
politifact.com

Sister Cities. Ways for politico’s to travel for free. Bet the city paid for his honeymoon.

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andres  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:00:43am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Appreciate your perspective on this. The condescending bullshit just drives me nuts. The one i’ve seen and really hate is pointing out Bernie’s participation as a Freedom Rider and really props to him for doing that, I want to think had I been a young man in the 60’s, I would have been brave enough to do that but then the lame attacks on Clinton who was a teenager supporting Goldwater. I mean she sure as hell was wrong but I’ll be damned if I don’t call it utterly crass to attack someone for what they supported at 16 and this from someone who was very much a lefty activist type at that age,.

I read the other day about a period of time that Hillary rarely mentions, when she was working undercover investigating whether Southern States were using the private school system to keep the segregation alive. She can probably get a lot of mileage from that, and yet she’s not exactly talking about it on every opportunity.

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plansbandc  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:00:45am

It is incredible that Alex Jones spews what is essentially mainstream Republican points now. Would prefer to never hear his voice again. Need some cuteness…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:00:50am

re: #333 sagehen

I like the idea of low-population states starting us off with some retail politics, give those with low budgets and/or low name recognition a chance to prove themselves. But Iowa and New Hampshire are so non-representative, I’d rather two different states.

Might as well ask the Catholic Church to change its dress code for the College of Cardinals.

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CarolJ  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:01:23am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Slave owners had overseers, traders, and transporters of slaves. Any one of those positions (usually held by men) added to the interracial gene pool. Not to mention some courtesans (polite term) and the “high yellow” folks who passed in order to gain relief from a segregated life. Probably far more white Americans have at least distant slave relatives, especially those who came here before 1865.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:02:32am
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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:03:05am

re: #331 Lidane

I can see him going for Trump, with hope he gets a job in the Admin down the line.

He also has to realize that Cruz is nuts, though he might think he’s got an Admin slot there too. So I guess it’s possible he goes that route, though I doubt it.

Rubio, Kasich, and the rest have no path to the nomination, and Jeb’s just going to run through all his campaign funds to burn out after SC.

He doesn’t have many options on who to support, or he could simply wait until the nomination sorts out.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:03:18am

re: #339 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton
Bernie Sanders is not Barack Obama
— Agent P (@Mr25Smith) February 10, 2016

Donald Trump is an asshole

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:04:01am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:04:50am

re: #334 Stanley Sea

Sister Cities. Ways for politico’s to travel for free. Bet the city paid for his honeymoon.

Yeah. I think it’s pretty benign honestly after really looking at it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:05:43am

re: #340 lawhawk

I can see him going for Trump, with hope he gets a job in the Admin down the line.

He also has to realize that Cruz is nuts, though he might think he’s got an Admin slot there too. So I guess it’s possible he goes that route, though I doubt it.

Rubio, Kasich, and the rest have no path to the nomination, and Jeb’s just going to run through all his campaign funds to burn out after SC.

He doesn’t have many options on who to support, or he could simply wait until the nomination sorts out.

I’ve heard that him and Trump are friends. Not sure if that’s true or not but even still, he’d be the first governor to endorse Trump.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:07:04am

If Sanders wins, and Republicans call him a communist, I give him permission to use the “I know you are, but what am I?” defense.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:07:07am

Still getting derped by folks who think Trump has support from minorities. All because Trump says so - based on the BS poll we exposed here.

Trump touts a poll that had all of 10 African Americans sampled. 4 went for Trump.

That’s hardly a valid sample size, and the outfit that conducted the poll is as shady as they come.

This is Trump’s fan base - ignorant, shady, and racist.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:07:57am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Exactly, he can and still should go. And I would not fault him in the slightest. That’s the thing. Anything Clinton does and she gets accused of pandering. Got news for em but Bernie panders too. They all fucking pander. Bernie’s not some snowflake who is different in that regard.

He does have snowflake hair…way white and always swirling around in the wind.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:08:30am

re: #347 ObserverArt

He does have snowflake hair…way white and always swirling around in the wind.

Ha!

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:08:45am

re: #287 freetoken

I see John McCain was on Finding Your Roots last night. Will go watch it and see what happens:

pbs.org

It’s everything McCain could have wanted, and would have been worth 4 more points if he’d had it done before his presidential campaign.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:09:27am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This was on the 30-minute stupid/funny sound bite on my NPR station (WAMU) this morning.

His mother, Linda James, told WPTV his action was a “stupid prank”.

Emphasis on the stupid part.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:11:40am

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s “Arn City”.
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See…right there is the difference between Pittsburgh and Columbus. There are hills in Pittsburgh and Columbus in flatlands.

It would be more like I-earn here in Oha.

: )

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:13:10am

re: #346 lawhawk

Still getting derped by folks who think Trump has support from minorities. All because Trump says so - based on the BS poll we exposed here.

Trump touts a poll that had all of 10 African Americans sampled. 4 went for Trump.

That’s hardly a valid sample size, and the outfit that conducted the poll is as shady as they come.

This is Trump’s fan base - ignorant, shady, and racist.

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LOL I mocked one of them and he responded by calling me a “Communist”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:14:28am

re: #346 lawhawk

Still getting derped by folks who think Trump has support from minorities. All because Trump says so - based on the BS poll we exposed here.

Trump touts a poll that had all of 10 African Americans sampled. 4 went for Trump.

That’s hardly a valid sample size, and the outfit that conducted the poll is as shady as they come.

This is Trump’s fan base - ignorant, shady, and racist.

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A voting sample of ten. LMAO. It’d be funny if this guy wans’t as of today the GOP frontrunner

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:15:44am

re: #316 Belafon

More than likely, you are either a descendent of a slave, the descendent of the owner of slaves, or the descendent of someone who fought against slavery. Genealogy is history, and American genealogy is American history.

I am half Slovak. I am a descendant of slaves too. White slaves of Europe.

/

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:17:03am

re: #352 The Vicious Babushka

LOL I mocked one of them and he responded by calling me a “Communist”

Whut?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:18:00am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

A voting sample of ten. LMAO. It’d be funny if this guy wans’t as of today the GOP frontrunner

I mean, in another sense, a voting sample of ten blah people is probably pretty representative of the GOP primaries.

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:22:21am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Appreciate your perspective on this. The condescending bullshit just drives me nuts. The one i’ve seen and really hate is pointing out Bernie’s participation as a Freedom Rider and really props to him for doing that, I want to think had I been a young man in the 60’s, I would have been brave enough to do that but then the lame attacks on Clinton who was a teenager supporting Goldwater. I mean she sure as hell was wrong but I’ll be damned if I don’t call it utterly crass to attack someone for what they supported at 16 and this from someone who was very much a lefty activist type at that age,.

Was Bernie Sanders a Freedom Rider? I know he was at the Washington march and was active in the civil rights movement, but I can’t find him in the Freedom Riders info.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:22:31am

Priorities!

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:23:38am

re: #358 ausador

Priorities!

And pretty much dead if signed since the SCOTUS has already ruled on sodomy.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:24:19am

re: #358 ausador

Priorities!

Michigan is one of the last states to keep an “anti-sodomy” law on the books, which criminalizes oral and anal sex — most states dropped theirs when the Supreme Court ruled that law like these are unconstitutional

.

Damn. I didn’t know I was breaking the law so frequently when I was in highschool.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:24:30am

re: #356 Testy Toad T

I mean, in another sense, a voting sample of ten blah people is probably pretty representative of the GOP primaries.

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If, somehow, this were a valid sample size, the MOE would be 60+%.

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WhatEVs  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:24:37am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Somehow, in the middle of nearly every passably legible think piece about how scary Trump truly is I always seem to come across floating nuggets of observed wisdom such as this bit below that causes me to truly wonder about where I actually fit into in this society.

I don’t get that at all. It is quite the opposite for me, almost physically painful. When I watch him speak first I’m just saddened and amazed by the kinds of people that are so stupid and hateful to buy into his blatant lies, insultingly simplistic “solution” and pathetic fear mongering. Then I’m fearful for the inevitable victims of his grotesque racist scapegoating and deeply angered that someone so obviously and amazingly psychotic, narcissistic and deranged is likely to be a major party Presidential candidate. Literally none of these feelings is enjoyable.

I just fucking don’t understand people at all. I mean, there obviously must be some discernible reason that this goddamned smoldering, malignant sociological teratoma masquerading as a political campaign seems to resonate within this same Bizarro universe version of America that finds “reality” television entertaining. I’m just afraid that reason is that this country is epically and irredeemably boned.

Personally, I don’t get it either. I like some reality competitions like Idol (yes, I like Idol) and Project Runway. I never enjoyed Trump’s reality show (because he is a bully there, too) nor do I understand, even remotely, the thrall of the Kardashians (et al) or any of the redneck reality shows.

I can only guess that people want to have some kind of hope that they, too, might become rich and famous for doing stupid, vapid shit on television…or by having 20 kids or becoming pregnant at 15 or being shamelessly vapid and stupid, or, or, or…. That is the only thing I can think of as to why this stuff is popular.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:24:52am

LOL

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:24:53am

re: #359 Belafon

And pretty much dead if signed since the SCOTUS has already ruled on sodomy.

That is not the point: he wants to prove his moral purity and Biblical intent.

And this is what you get, folks, when you vote GOP.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:25:00am

This meme looks like a Black woman having a white baby, maybe she was raped by the KKK?

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b_sharp  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:25:18am

re: #358 ausador

Priorities!

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Not so fast.

snopes.com

Wrong link, sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:26:27am

re: #357 BeachDem

Was Bernie Sanders a Freedom Rider? I know he was at the Washington march and was active in the civil rights movement, but I can’t find him in the Freedom Riders info.

Let me see on that. I very well could be mistaken.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:26:39am

re: #329 ObserverArt

Do you have any personal feeling as to why women are so reluctant. Is it a competition thing, a she-thinks-she-is-better-than-us type of thinking, jealousy…what?

Hillary’s take on women’s issues are from a time that millennials don’t remember and seem baffled by the idea that that’s even an issue (I guess they never spoke to their mothers and grandmothers?) At the same time, Hillary’s feminist icon campaign surrogates (Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem both stuck their feet in their mouths this week) deeply misunderstand how millennials take for granted the gains that were so hard-fought back in the day.

Black people seem to have sidestepped this particular pothole — they pass down their stories in such detail that even high school kids have a pretty solid grasp of what it was like for their grandparents and great-grandparents.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:28:32am

re: #354 ObserverArt

I am half Slovak. I am a descendant of slaves too. White slaves of Europe.

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Try being Irish and Slovak, pal. Actually I’m not technically Slovak. Yes, they lived in Slovakia but they’re actually Rusyns. Hopefully that nice Slovak bartender I met in Vienna who gave me a shot can forgive that. Always thought it was weird that side of the family was Greek Catholic when as you know most Slovaks are Roman Catholic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:29:50am

re: #354 ObserverArt

I am half Slovak. I am a descendant of slaves too. White slaves of Europe.

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My dad’s side of the family is Slovak, too. Mom’s side from Croatia, all arrived around the turn of the last century.

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:30:11am

re: #358 ausador

Priorities!

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:30:27am

re: #368 sagehen

Hillary’s take on women’s issues are from a time that millennials don’t remember and seem baffled by the idea that that’s even an issue (I guess they never spoke to their mothers and grandmothers?) At the same time, Hillary’s feminist icon campaign surrogates (Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem both stuck their feet in their mouths this week) deeply misunderstand how millennials take for granted the gains that were so hard-fought back in the day.

Black people seem to have sidestepped this particular pothole — they pass down their stories in such detail that even high school kids have a pretty solid grasp of what it was like for their grandparents and great-grandparents.

Sadly, blacks still have to teach their children how to properly act around authority figures, like making sure they’re hands are visible, and that they use the proper words and tones.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:30:37am

re: #368 sagehen

Hillary’s take on women’s issues are from a time that millennials don’t remember and seem baffled by the idea that that’s even an issue (I guess they never spoke to their mothers and grandmothers?) At the same time, Hillary’s feminist icon campaign surrogates (Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem both stuck their feet in their mouths this week) deeply misunderstand how millennials take for granted the gains that were so hard-fought back in the day.

Black people seem to have sidestepped this particular pothole — they pass down their stories in such detail that even high school kids have a pretty solid grasp of what it was like for their grandparents and great-grandparents.

I really think Gloria i nparticular came off very condescending. I agree that a lot of people in my generation take a lot of the gains that were fought hard for back in the day but at the same time, it was really wrong of her to suggest that the young women who support Bernie just want boys to like them. She shouldn’t be reviled because of that of course but I think she really stepped in it big time.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:30:40am

re: #357 BeachDem

Was Bernie Sanders a Freedom Rider? I know he was at the Washington march and was active in the civil rights movement, but I can’t find him in the Freedom Riders info.

His campaign finally confirmed he was NOT at Selma march.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:34:20am

The differences between Hillary and Bernie are as much about style and baggage. Both have different styles, and Hillary’s got a lot more baggage. But at the end of the day, both would be miles better than any of the GOP candidates.

That’s what this is about. I haven’t decided who I’d support in the Democrat primary (and since I’m in NJ, the nomination will be locked in well before I get to cast my ballot). But whoever it is, come November, I know who I will vote for - and it wont be any Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:34:30am

Now that I have looked it up. I haven’t found anything either. Sorry about that error.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:34:58am

re: #375 lawhawk

The differences between Hillary and Bernie are as much about style and baggage. Both have different styles, and Hillary’s got a lot more baggage. But at the end of the day, both would be miles better than any of the GOP candidates.

That’s what this is about. I haven’t decided who I’d support in the Democrat primary (and since I’m in NJ, the nomination will be locked in well before I get to cast my ballot). But whoever it is, come November, I know who I will vote for - and it wont be any Republican.

In the exact same boat.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:38:08am

re: #370 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

My dad’s side of the family is Slovak, too. Mom’s side from Croatia, all arrived around the turn of the last century.

Yep…my grandfather from the Slovak side of the family came to America around 1904. He was recruited by an Ohio company as an engineer to work on pump systems. My father was born in 1907.

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Franklin  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:41:24am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

I’ve heard that him and Trump are friends. Not sure if that’s true or not but even still, he’d be the first governor to endorse Trump.

LOL, Christie was endorsed by MA Governor Baker.

How’s that working out for him?

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bratwurst  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:41:36am

Remember last night how we were told that Bernie’s win was some kind of repudiation of Obama? Moments ago Limbaugh stated that Bernie voters are the same as Obama voters.

Which is it?

Oh, and also…Bernie can look forward to a LOT more of this kind of thing as the first Jewish American ever to win a presidential primary:

Should he be in a position to win the nomination, the anti-Semitic “cuckservative” shaming far right will be repurposing a lot of cartoons from Der Stürmer too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:42:06am

re: #379 Franklin

LOL, Christie was endorsed by MA Governor Baker.

How’s that working out for him?

‘Parently not good. Not familiar with Baker. I think my state neighbor, Governor Hogan of Maryalnd also endorsed him

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:42:09am

re: #379 Franklin

Read that quickly as Christie endorsed by Ma Barker.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:43:37am

re: #380 bratwurst

Remember last night how we were told that Bernie’s win was some kind of repudiation of Obama? Moments ago Limbaugh stated that Bernie voters are the same as Obama voters.

Which is it?

Oh, and also…Bernie can look forward to a LOT more of this kind of thing as the first Jewish American ever to win a presidential primary:

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Should he be in a position to win the nomination, the anti-Semitic “cuckservative” shaming far right will be repurposing a lot of cartoons from Der Stürmer too. Much to look forward to.

Oh uccch, electronicintifada. So not clicking on that pile of shit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:43:38am

re: #380 bratwurst

Remember last night how we were told that Bernie’s win was some kind of repudiation of Obama? Moments ago Limbaugh stated that Bernie voters are the same as Obama voters.

Which is it?

Oh, and also…Bernie can look forward to a LOT more of this kind of thing as the first Jewish American ever to win a presidential primary:

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Should he be in a position to win the nomination, the anti-Semitic “cuckservative” shaming far right will be repurposing a lot of cartoons from Der Stürmer too. Much to look forward to.

I’m afraid of that happening. It’s something that hasn’t gotten much talk but Bernie will win or lose end up being the most successful Jewish person ever to seek the office.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:45:44am

re: #382 lawhawk

Read that quickly as Christie endorsed by Ma Barker.

Always saw the Barkers as Trump supporters more so. Now “Your boss that you hate because he constantly berates you in front of everyone”, he came out strongly for Christie. And that annoying religious neighbor that you hate because he won’t leave you alone about our lord and savior Jesus Christ is for Cruz. But that obnoxious ssshole that you sort of know but won’t shut the fuck up about all the racial groups and insitss he’s just not a politically correct person, he’s in the bag for Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:46:51am

re: #378 ObserverArt

Yep…my grandfather from the Slovak side of the family came to America around 1904. He was recruited by an Ohio company as an engineer to work on pump systems. My father was born in 1907.

Do you happen to know where in Slovakia he was from? My great grandparents on my mom’s mom’s side were from the Northeastern part near the Ukrainian/Polish border. Rusyns as I said.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:47:21am

He’s not a pussy, but he is a complete dick.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:47:26am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

I’m afraid of that happening. It’s something that hasn’t gotten much talk but Bernie will win or lose end up being the most successful Jewish person ever to seek the office.

Of course Baby Whiplash says Bernie is NOT A REAL JUICE!!!1!!!!!

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:48:03am

HaHaHa, There are more comments on the link if you want to read them. The Militants are claiming there are French Mercs on the ground in Berns.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:48:45am

re: #386 Dr. Matt

Looks like we’re going to dispel with candidates that use correct grammar.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:49:01am

Not bad, nothing profound. More just common sense about how the endless attacks and investigations of Hillary have never found any “there” there.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:50:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:50:47am

re: #375 lawhawk

That’s what this is about. I haven’t decided who I’d support in the Democrat primary (and since I’m in NJ, the nomination will be locked in well before I get to cast my ballot). But whoever it is, come November, I know who I will vote for - and it wont be any Republican.

There was a time when I would consider candidates from both major parties, but I cannot conceive of today’s GOP nominating anyone I could even think of voting for.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:51:19am

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

Of course Baby Whiplash says Bernie is NOT A REAL JUICE!!!1!!!!!

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That’s just so fucking disgusting considering that Bernie’s father had family murdered in the Holocaust. Ben really needs to shut the fuck up. He really needs to look at his own friends who are actually Neo-Nazis but I guess they matter more because they share his hatred of liberals and Arabs.

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:52:29am

Wonder why the latest South Carolina polls are from Jan. 28. You’d think they would be polling like crazy, what with the Rep. primary 2/20 and the Dem 2/27 (don’t ask). Actually, I do know the reason. The Dems have pretty strict rules about when the primaries can take place, so whenever the Dem primary is set, the Repubs set theirs a week earlier. So strange, particularly with it being an open primary state.

Edited to add—I know why the primaries are when they are—don’t know why there’s no recent polling.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:54:04am

re: #393 jaunte

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Endangered races don’t increase with the censuses right wing fuckwits. Man if I were black, that would make me want to kick some right wing ass. Of course, they don’t care how utterly bigoted and offensive that is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:54:24am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

That’s just so fucking disgusting considering that Bernie’s father had family murdered in the Holocaust. Ben really needs to shut the fuck up. He really needs to look at his own friends who are actually Neo-Nazis but I guess they matter more because they share his hatred of liberals and Arabs.

Ben decides who is a “Real Joo” while his lips are pressed firmly against Milo’s buttcheeks. Milo has said some pretty disgusting anti-Semitic stuff (which I can’t Google or link to because it’s disgusting and I’m at work) but that doesn’t bother Baby Whiplash at all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:58:12am

re: #398 The Vicious Babushka

Ben decides who is a “Real Joo” while his lips are pressed firmly against Milo’s buttcheeks. Milo has said some pretty disgusting anti-Semitic stuff (which I can’t Google or link to because it’s disgusting and I’m at work) but that doesn’t bother Baby Whiplash at all.

I know, it’s so fucking messed up. And I hope I don’t offend but it’s so fucking wrong ot use the state of Israel as the only barometer of what makes someone a Jew. Bernie’s views on Israel (which I understand isn’t anti Israel at all anyhow) don’t change that he and his ancestors faced Antisemitism. It is Butthurt Benny who is the minority not Bernie. Ben’s a little fascist fuck who thinks by being a hateful fuck that his wingnut pals will overlook that he’s Jewish.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 9:59:29am

re: #342 Tigger2

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freetoken  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:00:24am

re: #388 lawhawk

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:00:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:00:56am
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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:01:12am

re: #170 darthstar

Americans’ apathy will be there after the election regardless. The question is, do you want a president who has no expectations or one who has goals and, like Obama, may not get everything they want, but will do what they can?

So Hillary has no expectations? What makes you think that? Obama tends toward incrementalism, just like Hillary. Bernie may turn out to be all or nothing. I fear it will be nothing. I will take what we can get rather than lose it all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:01:13am
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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:01:24am

re: #400 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, but real Americans oppose the American government. If you support America, then you must oppose America.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:02:02am

re: #400 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How about:

ATTENTION TERRORISTS

Get the FUCK out IMMEDIATELY or face the consequences.

- Grant County

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:04:42am

re: #407 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m guessing that Grant County’s “constitutional” Sheriff Glenn Palmer is pretty peeved right about now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:05:09am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is that because of the super-delegate system? I really don’t like that honestly but I understand why those delegates do exist at the same time since I do think there is some validlity to giving delegates to people who directly impact the policy of the party.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:06:14am

Who exactly gets to decide on who the super-delegates are?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:07:33am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

Is that because of the super-delegate system? I really don’t like that honestly but I understand why those delegates do exist at the same time since I do think there is some validlity to giving delegates to people who directly impact the policy of the party.

Apparently. Clinton got six of NH’s eight superdelegates before the primary.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:08:13am

re: #410 Eclectic Cyborg

Who exactly gets to decide on who the super-delegates are?

I imagine the party itself. From what I recall the super-delegates are people like all the House members, senators, governors, along with former presidents and their spouses I think but I am not sure. As I got at, not exactly 100% too fond of the system but I understand why they have weight.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:09:06am

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently. Clinton got six of NH’s eight superdelegates before the primary.

I think the Democratic Senator there, Shaheen and the Democratic governor Hassan(I think her name is) backed her. Probably the same with the Congress people. Not sure who the others would be though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:09:08am

There’s got to be a better way to sort this shit out. The American political system is far more complex than it needs to be.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:09:57am

Honestly, don’t bitch about that if your candidate can only muster two Congressional endorsements because there clearly is something to be said about how Clinton is killing Sanders at Congressional endorsements and these are people he knows probably as well if not better than her.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:10:07am

re: #414 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s got to be a better way to sort this shit out. The American political system is far more complex than it needs to be.

Be careful what you wish for. Complexity is the tool we use to keep explosive populist blowhards like Donald Trump far, far away from the levers of power.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:10:07am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

I think the Democratic Senator there, Shaheen and the Democratic governor Hassan(I think her name is) backed her. Probably the same with the Congress people. Not sure who the others would be though.

From the link:

Two of New Hampshire’s eight superdelegates are uncommitted: state party chairman Ray Buckley and state Sen. Martha Fuller Clark, according to the AP.

Buckley was barred from picking a side until after the primary, and Fuller Clark told The Hill that she remains uncommitted.

“I wanted to ensure that we had a very open and fair process in New Hampshire, and I don’t t believe as an elected officer of the party that I should be choosing between two very fine Democrats who are running for office,” she said.

“For the time being, I continue to hold that position and will wait until closer to the convention to decide.”

Clinton’s superdelegate supporters includes Gov. Maggie Hassan, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, and Rep. Annie Kuster.

She’s also backed by Democratic National Committee members Joanne Dodwell, Billy Shaheen and Kathy Sullivan.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:10:31am

re: #414 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s got to be a better way to sort this shit out. The American political system is far more complex than it needs to be.

No doubt. I still hate the Electoral college. I think so many of our problems go back to the so called good old days.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:10:43am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

I imagine the party itself. From what I recall the super-delegates are people like all the House members, senators, governors, along with former presidents and their spouses I think but I am not sure. As I got at, not exactly 100% too fond of the system but I understand why they have weight.

They can also switch from one candidate to another…a la 2008, from Clinton to Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:11:19am

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

From the link:

Thanks.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:11:22am

re: #415 HappyWarrior

Honestly, don’t bitch about that if your candidate can only muster two Congressional endorsements because there clearly is something to be said about how Clinton is killing Sanders at Congressional endorsements and these are people he knows probably as well if not better than her.

Maybe Congress has a little bit of special insight into who they think they could most effectively work with in order to actually, like, govern? And so maybe they should have some additional say?

Nahhhhhhhh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:11:45am

re: #419 blueraven

They can also switch from one candidate to another…a la 2008, from Clinton to Obama.

John Lewis being among the notable ones that did that yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:12:08am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:13:50am

re: #416 Testy Toad T

Be careful what you wish for. Complexity is the tool we use to keep explosive populist blowhards like Donald Trump far, far away from the levers of power.

I see where you are coming from but having had experience in both systems, I much prefer the Canadian Parliamentary system to the American system.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:13:50am

re: #421 Testy Toad T

Maybe Congress has a little bit of special insight into who they think they could most effectively work with in order to actually, like, govern? And so maybe they should have some additional say?

Nahhhhhhhh.

Yeah I don’t think it’s as sinister as it’s made out to be. One thing’s for damn sure, Bernie having only two people endorse him in a body he works in is frankly sad. and I’m aware that a lot made their endorsements early but as BR just brought up, they can and do switch their endorsements. It’s honestly a little troubling to me that Bernie can’t sell more of his own colleagues that he’s the best choice.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:14:23am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

Do you happen to know where in Slovakia he was from? My great grandparents on my mom’s mom’s side were from the Northeastern part near the Ukrainian/Polish border. Rusyns as I said.

As far as I know it was somewhere toward the Czech Republic and Austria. There was never a lot of talk in our family about the past. I think some of that had to do with WW1 and the fact that much of the area fell under what was called Czechoslovakia.

I don’t think my grandfather was too keen on the politics of all that, and he passed away when I was about 8 or so. I was a very late arrival in our family and everyone seemed to be no longer interested in the family roots as much as trying to get by in the new world.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:15:18am

Oh and you know damn well that if Sanders had more Congressional support, they wouldn’t be bellyaching. It just reeks of sour grapes to me. Your candidate has a weakness. Either fix it, work around it, acknowledge it, or get over it.

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:15:48am

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

Of course Baby Whiplash says Bernie is NOT A REAL JUICE!!!1!!!!!

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Is anyone a real Jew in his little narrow mind?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:16:08am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:16:45am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

No doubt. I still hate the Electoral college. I think so many of our problems go back to the so called good old days.

The Electoral College is a remnant of the biggest compromise that enabled the Constitution to be ratified in the first place. It isn’t just some arcane institution.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:17:08am

Rupert not happy…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:17:12am

Trump listened to the Tea Partiers back when they insisted that they were neither GOP nor Democrat, they simply tended to support GOP candidates who shared their views on government and taxation.

Trump knew that if he came in as a total outsider to the GOP he could scoop up these people and run with them. But they will not be enough to get him over the 50-yard line.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:17:23am

re: #426 ObserverArt

As far as I know it was somewhere toward the Czech Republic and Austria. There was never a lot of talk in our family about the past. I think some of that had to do with WW1 and the fact that much of the area fell under what was called Czechoslovakia.

I don’t think my grandfather was too keen on the politics of all that, and he passed away when I was about 8 or so. I was a very late arrival in our family and everyone seemed to be no longer interested in the family roots as much as trying to get by in the new world.

Ah okay, the other side of me than. From what I understand where my great grandfather lived, you could walk into Poland. Family lore is that he worked in Siberia before coming to America. But yeah in those days, people were more interested in getting by. I’ve only been able to get a comprehensive date on arrival of some of my great grandparents. I think part of that is spelling of names personally.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:17:39am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Oh and you know damn well that if Sanders had more Congressional support, they wouldn’t be bellyaching. It just reeks of sour grapes to me. Your candidate has a weakness. Either fix it, work around it, acknowledge it, or get over it.

Yep. Sanders doesnt have the support because Clinton is a Democrat, and has been an active member of the Democratic Party, while Sanders is an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate. But he is not the active member of the Democratic Party she is. Team unity means something, and Sanders just joined the team.(in a way)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:18:36am

re: #430 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The Electoral College is a remnant of the biggest compromise that enabled the Constitution to be ratified in the first place. It isn’t just some arcane institution.

I’m aware of that. Doesn’t mean I have to like it. The 3/5’s compromise was used to ratify the Constiution and it’s long gone too. I understand. I just can’t wrap my head over on how someone can get more of the popular vote and still lose.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:18:53am

re: #430 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The Electoral College is a remnant of the biggest compromise that enabled the Constitution to be ratified in the first place. It isn’t just some arcane institution.

I think a persuasive argument can be made that the US needs to have some sort of republican (in the small-r sense) system for selecting the chief executive just because of how weirdly the population is distributed.

In particular, I think many Europeans tend not to have a grasp of this. Canadians certainly do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:19:13am

re: #430 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The Electoral College is a remnant of the biggest compromise that enabled the Constitution to be ratified in the first place. It isn’t just some arcane institution.

I would support a Constitutional amendment that retains the EC as an institution that only kicks in if no candidate gains a majority in the popular vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:20:10am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:21:01am

re: #434 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Yep. Sanders doesnt have the support because Clinton is a Democrat, and has been an active member of the Democratic Party, while Sanders is an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate. But he is not the active member of the Democratic Party she is. Team unity means something, and Sanders just joined the team.(in a way)

And it’s absurd to hold that against elected Democrats who favor Hillary in part because of that. I saw an exchange on a friend’s facebook wall where a Sanders fanatic said that Hillary wasn’t a real Democrat and Bernie was and I just wanted to laugh my ass off so hard at the guy since I don’t think I’ve ever seen Bernie campaign for other Democrats. That’s the difference between where Obama was in 2008 and where Bernie is now. Obama built up a ton of good will by campaigning for other Democrats. I remember him being here for Webb and hell I think he may have even came here when Kaine ran in 2005. What I think the die hards for Senator Sanders just don’t see is that politics is a lot about people too. It’s about building relationships.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:21:19am

re: #426 ObserverArt

As far as I know it was somewhere toward the Czech Republic and Austria. There was never a lot of talk in our family about the past. I think some of that had to do with WW1 and the fact that much of the area fell under what was called Czechoslovakia.

I don’t think my grandfather was too keen on the politics of all that, and he passed away when I was about 8 or so. I was a very late arrival in our family and everyone seemed to be no longer interested in the family roots as much as trying to get by in the new world.

My paternal grandmother’s maiden name was Maria Schulz, from the German-speaking part of what is now the Czech Republic. Had she not emigrated before WWI, she probably would have been deported at the end of WWII along with the rest of the ethnic German population.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:21:32am

re: #437 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I would support a Constitutional amendment that retains the EC as an institution that only kicks in if no candidate gains a majority in the popular vote.

That sounds reasonable to me.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:22:48am

re: #440 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

My paternal grandmother’s maiden name was Maria Schulz, from the German-speaking part of what is now the Czech Republic. Had she not emigrated before WWI, she probably would have been deported at the end of WWII along with the rest of the ethnic German population.

My mother’s side of the family was German, with the name Braun changing to Brown shortly after the start of WWI.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:23:19am

In Parliamentary systems the Chief Executive often fails to win a majority, but instead forms a majority coalition in the legislature.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:25:01am

re: #443 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

In Parliamentary systems the Chief Executive often fails to win a majority, but instead forms a majority coalition in the legislature.

…and then sets fire to the Reichstag, blames it on the Communists, declares a state of emergency and seizes power, never to relinquish it until the Red Army is standing over his charred remains in the courtyard of his bunker complex.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:25:11am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:25:35am

re: #444 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

…and then sets fire to the Reichstag, blames it on the Communists and seizes power, never to relinquish it until the Red Army is standing over his charred remains in the courtyard of his bunker complex.

I thought he just liked fucking pigs.Oh wait, wrong Parliamentarian.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:25:37am

I once knew a guy who changed his name to William (his middle name) because his given first name was Adolf. He was born in 1937 and his parents were enamored with you know who.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:25:49am

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’ll make a great Senator.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:26:15am

Sanders picked up a congressional SC state rep endorsement:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:26:20am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

I thought he just liked fucking pigs.Oh wait, wrong Parliamentarian.

yes, the other guy was a vegetarian…

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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:26:31am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:26:44am

re: #358 ausador

Priorities!

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How the hell are they going to monitor that?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:26:52am

Good ol’ Tennesse:

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:27:42am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sanders picked up a congressional endorsement:

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scstatehouse.gov
I think he’s a member of the SC legislature not Congress.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:27:54am

re: #451 Tigger2

If you are living in Iraq there in eastern Oregon, it’s because you brought Iraq with you. Life was just peachy before you shat all over everything.

Stupid fucks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:28:24am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

Good ol’ Tennesse:

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Being gay is an abomination unto the Lord
Being a terrorist is an abomination unto the Lord
ergo
gay = terrorist

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:28:25am

re: #450 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

yes, the other guy was a vegetarian…

Yeah funky little mustache I recall too. Decent artist too but not good enough for the VIenna Academy.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:28:44am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

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I want to upding you for delivering the news, but downding because I don’t like this bit of news. Very disappointing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:29:24am

re: #454 HappyWarrior

scstatehouse.gov
I think he’s a member of the SC legislature not Congress.

yep, I already hit the pencil on that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:29:26am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

Good ol’ Tennesse:

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Someone should let this moron know that Gay Straight Alliances have been around for a long time now. Oh and this guy can bond with Future ISIS of America over their shared hatred of gay people and secularism.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:29:47am

re: #362 WhatEVs

Personally, I don’t get it either. I like some reality competitions like Idol (yes, I like Idol) and Project Runway. I never enjoyed Trump’s reality show (because he is a bully there, too) nor do I understand, even remotely, the thrall of the Kardashians (et al) or any of the redneck reality shows.

I can only guess that people want to have some kind of hope that they, too, might become rich and famous for doing stupid, vapid shit on television…or by having 20 kids or becoming pregnant at 15 or being shamelessly vapid and stupid, or, or, or…. That is the only thing I can think of as to why this stuff is popular.

This article explained a lot to me.

Plus the times are ripe. For many people; white, religious ‘conservatives’ especially; the world is changing far too rapidly. They see their power, their identity, slipping away day by day.

Small wonder people like Trump are so successful.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:29:55am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep, I already hit the pencil on that.

All good. I was just intrigued to see where he was from so I googled him.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:30:00am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

Good ol’ Tennesse:

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thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

Yeah, gay students getting together is exactly the same as taking over federal territory or killing people at abortion clinics. Oh wait, wrong terrorists.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:30:11am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

Good ol’ Tennesse:

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“Ban together”. Another product of homeschooling.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:31:14am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Being a terrorist is an abomination unto the Lord

I don’t think that’s the case, otherwise a lot of people in this country have some explaining to do.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:31:39am

re: #463 Belafon

Yeah, gay students getting together is exactly the same as taking over federal territory or killing people at abortion clinics. Oh wait, wrong terrorists.

What I can’t get over is if these guys ever listened to ISIS and got over the mild disagreements they have, they’d realize HEY WE HATE A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:32:10am

re: #465 Belafon

I don’t think that’s the case, otherwise a lot of people in this country have some explaining to do.

The only terrorists are Aye-rabs who worship Allah!

/

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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:32:14am

Focused on the important issues:

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:32:15am

re: #410 Eclectic Cyborg

Who exactly gets to decide on who the super-delegates are?

The whole super-delegate system was instituted after the 1972 debacle; they took notice that “the base” can get swept away with emotion and nominate someone who can’t possibly win a general.

The SD’s are people who already hold office; members of congress, high-ranking state office-holders, the state’s party chair, etc.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:32:41am

Yes, this. The narrative that Clinton is in trouble with all voting groups is pretty absurd due to results in such homogeneous states as Iowa and NH. NH was a wave for Bernie, this is what happens in a wave election. Part of it is because of his favorite son neighbor status. Let’s see how the vote goes in more diverse states. More conservative democrats in the south etc…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:33:03am

re: #468 Lidane

Focused on the important issues:

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Uh huh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:34:41am

re: #470 blueraven

Yes, this. The narrative that Clinton is in trouble with all voting groups is pretty absurd due to results in such homogeneous states as Iowa and NH. NH was a wave for Bernie, this is what happens in a wave election. Part of it is because of his favorite son neighbor status. Let’s see how the vote goes in more diverse states. More conservative democrats in the south etc…

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Not just ideological diversity but cultural as well. Let’s see how Bernie does in states with large amounts of African-Americans, Hispancis, and Asians. The Democrats in iowa and New Hampshire are really unrepresentative of the party as a whole. Not saying their voices are invalid but this is a diverse party in many ways.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:34:48am

re: #424 Eclectic Cyborg

I see where you are coming from but having had experience in both systems, I much prefer the Canadian Parliamentary system to the American system.

So your Prime Minister is chosen *entirely* by the “super-delegates”.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:37:01am

re: #473 sagehen

So your Prime Minister is chosen *entirely* by the “super-delegates”.

In my new government, there will also be a Composite Minister, who will be the product of two or more Prime Ministers.

(I’ve been wanting to make that lame joke for a couple of days now.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:37:33am

What’s confusing to me and maybe someone can help me out here is how many countries with a parliament and PM also have Presidents. It’s my understanding that the President in many of those countries is more less a figurehead who attends funerals, represents the country, etc. I mean not a puppet but not really someone who really impacts policy on the country.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:37:50am

re: #474 Belafon

In my new government, there will also be a Composite Minister, who will be the product of two or more Prime Ministers.

(I’ve been wanting to make that lame joke for a couple of days now.)

Get out NOW.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:39:18am
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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:40:21am

re: #437 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I would support a Constitutional amendment that retains the EC as an institution that only kicks in if no candidate gains a majority in the popular vote.

So somebody with overwhelming majorities in half a dozen urban, industrialized states could win even if the whole rest of the country can’t stand them? Nah.

The EC (which is not the same compromise at the 3/5 thing) deliberately gives a little extra weight to the voters of rural and wilderness states, so the cities can’t steamroll them. Candidates have to concern themselves with a wider range of issues this way.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:40:24am

Posted without comment:

No, I take that back. Comment: LOLOLOLOLOL

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:44:10am
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Tigger2  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:45:25am

re: #468 Lidane

Focused on the important issues:

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I can understand that my dog like to have anal sex with a cat down the street.///

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:47:39am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sanders picked up a congressional SC state rep endorsement:

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Little side note. Justin Bamberg now has the seat that Bakari Sellers held for 8 years and gave up when he ran for Lt. Gov. Sellers is Team Hillary.

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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:53:09am

re: #126 Timothy Watson

Sure, DMX had an “asthma attack”. If you believe that, I have some land west of Miami to sell you.

Feel the “Berms.”

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b_sharp  Feb 10, 2016 • 10:54:59am

re: #473 sagehen

So your Prime Minister is chosen *entirely* by the “super-delegates”.

Pretty much if you want to equate party members with super delegates.

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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:01:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:33:07am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

What’s confusing to me and maybe someone can help me out here is how many countries with a parliament and PM also have Presidents. It’s my understanding that the President in many of those countries is more less a figurehead who attends funerals, represents the country, etc. I mean not a puppet but not really someone who really impacts policy on the country.

It varies: some presidents have some constitutional power, such as appointing provincial governors, as in Russia, but in Germany the President is an entirely representational figure who gives an annual televised speech. I cannot even recall the name of the current one right now.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 11:51:21am

re: #225 ObserverArt

You are the first person I’ve seen mention Bernie being married in the USSR. Do you or anyone here at LGF have any links to that information.

If that is the case, I hope Bernie supporters realize the Republicans are going to use some info like that to cause all kinds of scary Bernie Commie stories.

This could be another Lee Harvey Oswald type story all over again. The old “what was he doing in Russia” while he was there slime tactic.

In a way, I am surprised that hasn’t been mentioned by the Clinton people. It may very well may be used as this race heats up.

I hope it’s not, because it would be very stupid. It was the time of hope, USSR just began to open up, many Westerners felt the need to support the process. I hate the Soviet commies (that is, what they have become in the end, Stalin’s bastards) and the totalitarian state, and Bernie’s actions in the Soviet Union do not make my antennae twitch.

His talk of Putin as an ally (esp. with his latest actions in Syria) does.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:17:00pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Iron City or Rolling Rock. I think Yungeling’s more for Philadelphia.

Rolling Rock no longer counts. It’s brewed in Newark now.


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