Tech Note: A PHP Function to Strip Specific HTML Tags and Attributes

Parse those tags, mama
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Every once in a while I come up with a bit of code that does something well enough I think it’s worth sharing, especially if it performs a function commonly used by lots of programmers, with a method that doesn’t already have hundreds of results in a Google search. And here’s one of those bits; maybe this will come in handy to another coder out there on the Internets, searching in vain for a good routine to parse tags and attributes.

For a long time I’ve been using a function to “sanitize” user input (e.g. comments and LGF Pages) to ensure no malicious code ever gets posted either on purpose or by accident. But I also allow certain HTML tags, and certain attributes for those tags.

The problem with the function I was using is that it employed regular expressions to parse the HTML, and that’s just a big freaking headache — inflexible and fragile. If you search a site like Stack Overflow for info on parsing HTML with regular expressions you’ll see tons of comments telling you “DO NOT DO THIS.” But the code worked well enough for a long time — until I started needing to allow HTML5 “data” attributes inside some tags.

Data attributes typically look like this:

data-conversation="none"

The word “data” is followed by a hyphen and then a variable name for the type of data involved. And that’s where my old attribute parsing function started to become a real hassle to use, because it was unable to deal with that variable part of the name easily, and I needed to add every type of data attribute I used to a list as they came up.

So today I came up with a vastly improved function that uses PHP’s DOMDocument library to actually build a Document Object Model out of the HTML code, then find the tags and attributes the right way instead of the bad old regex way, and remove everything except the tags and attributes I want to leave in place.

The new approach lets me use a regular expression only to match all types of data attributes — not to to find those attributes inside a big pile of HTML code. The task of finding the tags and attributes is handled by the XPath syntax of PHP’s DOMDocument methods.

Without further explanation, here’s that new function. It takes a string of HTML to “sanitize” and two arrays as parameters; the arrays are a list of the allowed tags, and a list of the allowed attributes. Note that if “href” or “src” attributes are allowed, the function checks to see if the value of the attribute is Javascript code, and changes it to “#” if so.

<?php
function stripTagsAttributes($html, $allowedTags = array(), $allowedAttributes = array('(?:a^)')) {
	if (!empty($html)) {
		$theTags = count($allowedTags) ? '<' . implode('><', $allowedTags) . '>' : '';
		$theAttributes = '%' . implode('|', $allowedAttributes) . '%i';
		$dom = @DOMDocument::loadHTML(
			mb_convert_encoding(
				strip_tags(
					$html,
					$theTags
				),
				'HTML-ENTITIES',
				'UTF-8'
			)
		);
		$xpath = new DOMXPath($dom);
		$tags = $xpath->query('//*');
		foreach ($tags as $tag) {
			$attrs = array();
			for ($i = 0; $i < $tag->attributes->length; $i++) {
				$attrs[] = $tag->attributes->item($i)->name;
			}
			foreach ($attrs as $attribute) {
				if (!preg_match($theAttributes, $attribute)) {
					$tag->removeAttribute($attribute);
				} elseif (preg_match('%^(?:href|src)$%i', $attribute) and preg_match('%^javascript:%i', $tag->getAttribute($attribute))) {
					$tag->setAttribute($attribute, '#');
				}
			}
		}
		return (
			trim(
				strip_tags(
					html_entity_decode(
						$dom->saveHTML()
					),
					$theTags
				)
			)
		);
	}
}
?>

There are a couple of gotchas with using PHP’s DOMDocument library I should mention:

  1. If you're parsing a fragment of HTML code instead of an entire page, and it doesn't have a character encoding tag, DOMDocument will assume the text is encoded in ISO-8859 instead of the much preferred UTF-8. So this function uses the mb_convert_encoding function (line 7) to convert any Unicode characters into HTML entities before loading the code fragment, then uses html_entity_decode (line 32) to convert the entities back into characters when the parsing is finished.
  2. The second gotcha is that when you're parsing an HTML fragment, DOMDocument always adds a DOCTYPE, <html> and <body> tags to the fragment, and you can't disable this "feature." So after parsing, my function uses strip_tags a second time to remove those extra unneeded tags.

Oh yes, and one more thing; this is what the two arrays of tags and attributes look like for our comments; notice that the last item in the $commentAttributes array is a simple regular expression that matches any type of data attribute:

<?php
$commentTags = array(
	'b',
	'i',
	'a',
	'strong',
	'em',
	'blockquote',
	'div',
	'p',
	'br',
	'strike',
	'del',
	'sup',
	'sub',
	'code',
	'pre',
	'span',
	'img',
	'button',
);
$commentAttributes = array(
	'href',
	'rel',
	'target',
	'src',
	'width',
	'height',
	'class',
	'data-\S*'
);
?>

There are more sanitization measures in place when comments are posted, by the way; for example, images can only be embedded in comments if they’re uploaded and hosted at LGF, otherwise they’re transformed into links to the external images. This is to prevent anyone posting malicious images that contain code, porn, etc.

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458 comments

1
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:43:01pm

You have just made it up to cover up the brutal suppression of the Hamster Revolt! Confess!

2
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:44:00pm

re: #1 Nyet

You have just made it up to cover up the brutal suppression of the Hamster Revolt! Confess!

FOR THE HAMSTERS! NEVER FORGET!

3
thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:44:53pm

re: #2 klys (maker of Silmarils)

FOR THE HAMSTERS! NEVER FORGET!

HAMSTERGATE!

4
Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:45:17pm

re: #3 thedopefishlives

HAMSTERGATE!

What did Charles know and when did he know it?!

5
Danack  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:45:35pm

Hillary’s lead is slipping in the SC count - it’s barely +50% now……

6
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:45:38pm

re:#3thedopefishlives HAMSTERGATE! Out of solidarity with the hamsters all formatting has been removed from this post.

7
jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:46:00pm

re: #3 thedopefishlives

REGEXGHAZI!

8
thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:46:42pm

re: #7 jaunte

REGEXGHAZI!

WE NEED CHARLES’S EMAILS! I BET HE USES A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER!!!

9
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:47:33pm

WHY IS HILLARY SPIKING THE FOOTBALL??!?!?!?!??!

10
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:48:06pm

Another diary by a black Kossack:

dailykos.com

11
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:48:36pm

re: #10 Nyet

Another diary by a black Kossack:

dailykos.com

It is ludicrous for Bernie Sanders to expect that he would be able to get the levels of support that will apparently need after being physically ​absent from out communities for 50 years only to come back for a vote.

12
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:48:37pm

re: #5 Danack

Hillary’s lead is slipping in the SC count - it’s barely +50% now……

Yet media will continue to say SC a Hillary win.

//

13
stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:48:52pm
If you’re parsing a fragment of HTML code instead of an entire page, and it doesn’t have a character encoding tag, DOMDocument will assume the text is encoded in ISO-8859 instead of the much preferred UTF-8. So this function uses the mb_convert_encoding function (line 7) to convert any Unicode characters into HTML entities before loading the code fragment, then uses html_entity_decode (line 32) to convert the entities back into characters when the parsing is finished.
The second gotcha is that when you’re parsing an HTML fragment, DOMDocument always adds a DOCTYPE, and tags to the fragment, and you can’t disable this “feature.” So after parsing, my function uses strip_tags a second time to remove those extra unneeded tags.

Clickbait.
/

14
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:49:19pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

WE NEED CHARLES’S EMAILS! I BET HE USES A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER!!!

Huge if true.

15
Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:49:59pm

re: #11 Nyet

Hey now, Cornel West dubbed Bernie the heir to MLK’s legacy! Killer Mike said he’s bigger than Jesus!!

16
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:50:24pm

Hillary now begging Wall Street billionaires for money, asking people to go website and donate.

////

17
Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:50:32pm

How Hillary Clinton won South Carolina

Former secretary of state embraced Barack Obama’s legacy, vowed to protect it

Hint to Democrats running in 2016. Why not try this instead of running away from it and getting your asses kicked?

18
jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:50:57pm

Trump’s success has encouraged the KKK.

19
Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:51:54pm

re: #5 Danack

Hillary’s lead is slipping in the SC count - it’s barely +50% now……

Sanders is doing “well” in the upstate (44% of the vote in Anderson County, 42% in Pickens, 39% in Oconee) and upscale suburban counties (36% in Lexington County outside Columbia, 33% in Horry County/ Myrtle Beach, 31% in York over the border from Charlotte). On the other hand, several black belt counties have Hillary over 90%.

20
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:51:59pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

dailykos.com

Denise Oliver Velez

You know I don’t care who you support or don’t support. Though too many people on here make assumptions about you.

What is more important is that you have been saying what you’ve been saying for a long time — my problem is that I don’t know whether some folks can or will hear you, me, or anybody else who is speaking from a black perspective — and before someone comes in to say “well you don’t speak for all black folks” — that’s true too. Every black person in America has a pov — we will see an aggregate of those SC pov’s in a few hours.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:52:06pm

re: #18 jaunte

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Trump’s success has encouraged the KKK.

Yeah, but Obama’s to blame for Trump, so it’s all good.

22
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:52:21pm

re: #17 Skip Intro

How Hillary Clinton won South Carolina

Hint to Democrats running in 2016. Why not try this instead of running away from it and getting your asses kicked?

What kind of craziness is this?

//

23
Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:53:47pm

re: #22 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What kind of craziness is this?

//

I know. It’s like string theory. You just can’t wrap your mind around it.

24
Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:54:04pm

Behold the narrative for the next 9 months:

25
Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:54:38pm

Hillary has started the general election campaign against Trump tonight.

26
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:54:49pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Chuck off, Todd.

27
Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:54:58pm

I posted this last thread & it was missed. Or ignored by choice :(

Check out this twitter moments.

28
Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:55:03pm

CNN has updates its exit poll. They now expect Hillary to win 74-26, winning the white vote now and pushing her black margin to 87-13.

29
MsJ  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:55:19pm

Five Bernie emails in less than an hour. Stop. Just stop.

30
Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:55:28pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Behold the narrative for the next 9 months:

[Embedded content]

Did the Toad say that about Trump and Cruz or Trump and Rubio?

Move those goal posts, rah, rah, rah!!!

31
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:55:37pm

re: #29 MsJ

Five Bernie emails in less than an hour. Stop. Just stop.

Oh no, I haven’t checked.

32
jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:56:34pm

Bernie fan just wants the world to burn.

33
Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:56:53pm

re: #29 MsJ

Five Bernie emails in less than an hour. Stop. Just stop.

Killer Mike konnte nicht genügend Kräfte für einen Angriff massieren. Der Angriff Killer Mikes ist nicht erfolgt.

34
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:56:57pm
35
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:57:26pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Behold the narrative for the next 9 months:

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Oh for the love of mike!

36
Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:57:37pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Behold the narrative for the next 9 months:

[Embedded content]

He has a point. What are all these people going to do when Bernie’s not in the running anymore? I don’t see a lot of moderate positioning in the D camp, people seem to be either Hillary supporters or young folks who have bought into the “BERNIE = JESUS, HILLARY = SATAN” headspace.

Left-wing 20-somethings: Breeding contempt and revulsion among everybody who isn’t them, since the invention of left wings…

37
thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:57:40pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Bernie fan just wants the world to burn.

Even the Nazis don’t deserve Trump. I wouldn’t inflict him on a country full of Stalins.

38
Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:58:25pm

re: #34 Nyet

Damn her! Doesn’t she know she has to let Bernie win some to not piss off his followers? Doesn’t she listen to ChuckTodd at all?

39
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:59:08pm
phenry Feb 28 * 01:31:05 AM
MSNBC: Clinton wins black voters 65+ by 93 points. That’s… impressive.

DEMonrat ankle biter phenry Feb 28 * 01:33:54 AM
yes and I liked the commentary that they “..have seen a lot, remember a lot…”

phenry DEMonrat ankle biter Feb 28 * 01:35:29 AM
EXACTLY. Bernie’s millenials… not so much.

40
HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:59:09pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Bernie fan just wants the world to burn.

I really hate this fucking attitude so much.

41
Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:59:10pm

re: #36 Pawn of the Oppressor

He has a point. What are all these people going to do when Bernie’s not in the running anymore? I don’t see a lot of moderate positioning in the D camp, people seem to be either Hillary supporters or young folks who have bought into the “BERNIE = JESUS, HILLARY = SATAN” headspace.

Left-wing 20-somethings: Breeding contempt and revulsion among everybody who isn’t them, since the invention of left wings…

They are a pretty tiny segment of the electorate, and frequently don’t bother to vote anyway.

42
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:59:15pm

re: #37 thedopefishlives

Even the Nazis don’t deserve Trump. I wouldn’t inflict him on a country full of Stalins.

All the updings!!!

43
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:59:28pm

Hillary campaigned with Travon Martin’s mother. Mentions family of other African Americans killed by police.

Rage Furby probably spewing foam out his nostrils right now.

44
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:00:25pm

re: #36 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’ve been reading too much hockey news lately. It took a moment to remember that left-wings in this context were not forwards.

45
b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:00:26pm

re: #38 Skip Intro

Damn her! Doesn’t she know she has to let Bernie win some to not piss off his followers? Doesn’t she listen to ChuckTodd at all?

Agreed! If HRC doesn’t let Bernie win some then I’ll not vote for her!!

//

46
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:00:30pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

I know. It’s like string theory. You just can’t wrap your mind around it.

Maybe this makes sense, but I think I’ll shell out millions of dollars to consultants to tell me something else.
/

47
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:00:34pm

re: #39 Nyet

Inkan1969
phenry Feb 28 * 01:41:00 AM
There you go. Sanders boasted that he walked beside MLK. African American voters old enough to have walked beside MLK as well chose Hillary instead.

48
Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:00:43pm

re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hillary campaigned with Travon Martin’s mother. Mentions family of other African Americans killed by police.

Rage Furby probably spewing foam out his nostrils right now.

He has rabies?

RBS

49
Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:00:52pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Bernie fan just wants the world to burn.

I sooo want to engage because I’ve been following Cassandra for a long time. She’s just too invested to be rational.

Not going to though. Not worth it. I’ll just watch with pursed lips.

50
Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:00:55pm

re: #45 b.d.

Agreed! If HRC doesn’t let Bernie win some then I’ll not vote for her!!

//

Catch-2016

51
HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:00:58pm

re: #39 Nyet

I have to agree with that comment about Bernie’s millennial supporters and I’ll even add the caveat that two of them are my own brothers whose hearts are in the right place but I don’t think have had the education or experience to understand the complexity of politics.

52
MsJ  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:01:05pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

I posted this last thread & it was missed. Or ignored by choice :(

Check out this twitter moments.

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That was both awesome and frightening. I hope he wins, whatever letter he puts behind his name.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:01:15pm

re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hillary campaigned with Travon Martin’s mother. Mentions family of other African Americans killed by police.

Rage Furby probably spewing foam out his nostrils right now.

You bet.

54
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:01:30pm

Hillary quoting Bible scripture. Proves she’s a secret Muslim.

///

55
HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:01:57pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

I sooo want to engage because I’ve been following Cassandra for a long time. She’s just too invested to be rational.

Not going to though. Not worth it. I’ll just watch with pursed lips.

It’s tough for me because these are my peers. White under 30’s liberals.

56
Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:02:05pm

re: #41 Big Beautiful Door

They are a pretty tiny segment of the electorate, and frequently don’t bother to vote anyway.

That’s what keeps getting lost in all that talk about how Hillary now will have to keep them happy, that most of them probably would have bothered to show up in November anyway, so all the whining about how they’re just gonna stay home or vote third party is idle threats.

57
Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:02:28pm

re: #41 Big Beautiful Door

They are a pretty tiny segment of the electorate, and frequently don’t bother to vote anyway.

Yeah, that.

58
HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:02:56pm

Honestly if you’re constantly threatening to vote third party if you don’t get your pony, you’re not part of the Democratic base.

59
b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:03:41pm

I can’t believe that that 1937 blurry black and white of Bernie working for civil rights wasn’t enough for him to change the tide.

//

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:03:54pm

re: #47 Nyet

doc2 phenry Feb 28 * 01:52:31 AM
I have never seen anyone win any demographic by 93 points. Hillary is doing better than Obama ever did with black people. I think that in the end a lot of the Bernie phenomenon was due to the fact that our first two voting states are completely fucking white.

61
Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:03:54pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Honestly if you’re constantly threatening to vote third party if you don’t get your pony, you’re not part of the Democratic base.

Odd how the “bases” of both parties are the first to threaten to leave.

62
HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:03:59pm

I admit I’m more of a pragmatist than most my age since I’ve already been disillusioned before. I also knew who Bernie Sanders was 10 years ago. Yes I was a weird 18 year old.

63
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:04:06pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Honestly if you’re constantly threatening to vote third party if you don’t get your pony, you’re not part of the Democratic base. just an asshole.

FTFY

64
Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:04:20pm

Good speech. I’m feeling very good about the election. Compare that to the shit Trump spews.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:04:23pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I admit I’m more of a pragmatist than most my age since I’ve already been disillusioned before. I also knew who Bernie Sanders was 10 years ago. Yes I was a weird 18 year old.

You hipster.///

66
Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:04:24pm

re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hillary campaigned with Travon Martin’s mother. Mentions family of other African Americans killed by police.

Rage Furby probably spewing foam out his nostrils right now.

I’m sure George Zimmerman is a Trump supporter. He should be added to the list.

67
FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:04:25pm
68
HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:04:29pm

re: #63 Blind Frog Belly White

FTFY

Well yeah.

69
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:04:36pm

Hillary with some good comments tonight, talked about the need for America to be made “whole again”, rather than GRATE AGAIN!!!11.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:04:44pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Honestly if you’re constantly threatening to vote third party if you don’t get your pony, you’re not part of the Democratic base.

A lot of these are old Ron Paul idiots who will be looking for their next saviour soon.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:05:12pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

You hipster.///

Quasi-hipster, I’m a quasi-hipster which means I like obscure music but I would be happy if it became more popular. My beard’s not douchey either.

72
Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:05:30pm

re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hillary campaigned with Travon Martin’s mother. Mentions family of other African Americans killed by police.

Rage Furby probably spewing foam out his nostrils right now.

Rage Furby is still boasting he’s going to “take down” Hillary - as soon as she wins the nomination. He’s “got the goods” on her. LOL

73
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:05:31pm

re: #66 Skip Intro

I’m sure George Zimmerman is a Trump supporter. He should be added to the list.

I’m sure he’s typing out some well-balanced and thoughtful material on his Twitter page tonight.

///

74
HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:05:53pm

re: #70 b.d.

A lot of these are old Ron Paul idiots who will be looking for their next saviour soon.

There is some truth to that. My one brother was briefly enamored with Ron Paul though his own economic beliefs are totally anathema to Ron Paul’s.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:06:01pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Rage Furby is still boasting he’s going to “take down” Hillary - as soon as she wins the nomination. He’s “got the goods” on her. LOL

I heard her husband has some skeletons in his closet.

76
Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:06:06pm

re: #64 Big Beautiful Door

Good speech. I’m feeling very good about the election. Compare that to the shit Trump spews.

Missed it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:06:19pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Rage Furby is still boasting he’s going to “take down” Hillary - as soon as she wins the nomination. He’s “got the goods” on her. LOL

I guess he never got to used his magic bullet on Jeb!, huh?

78
Danack  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:07:42pm

re: #67 FormerDirtDart

Ladies and gentlemen, the GOP front-runner.

/What an a-hole.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:07:51pm

One new poll today… Trump rulz Massachusetts:

Looks like the only contest will be for the silver medal.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:08:01pm

re: #36 Pawn of the Oppressor

Hillary IS the moderate position, and she’s walking away with it tonight.

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MsJ  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:08:09pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Quasi-hipster, I’m a quasi-hipster which means I like obscure music but I would be happy if it became more popular. My beard’s not douchey either.

I’m ok with douchey beards. What’s wrong with that?

//(I love beards of all kinds)

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:08:15pm

Hillary is just crushing Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:08:27pm

Here’s the thing though and why I don’t want to be too hard on the young people who support Sanders. I really think genuinely their hearts are in the right place. I’ve been there. I’ve been that idealist. But I’ve also realized that ideas alone don’t always win the debate. The most effective President on Civil Rights was LBJ.

84
BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:08:29pm

re: #19 Brian J.

Sanders is doing “well” in the upstate (44% of the vote in Anderson County, 42% in Pickens, 39% in Oconee) and upscale suburban counties (36% in Lexington County outside Columbia, 33% in Horry County/ Myrtle Beach, 31% in York over the border from Charlotte). On the other hand, several black belt counties have Hillary over 90%.

And as a reminder, Horry was the only county Clinton won in 2008.

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:09:02pm

re: #79 freetoken

One new poll today… Trump rulz Massachusetts:

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Looks like the only contest will be for the silver medal.

I notice that 18% of the sample expects Hillary to win the White House (22% of those with an opinion).

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:09:05pm

This right here is the problem:

Coccydynia Feb 28 * 01:33:12 AM
I look at it this way. Just as African Americans have not participated in the vaunted Obama recovery, they will continue to lag under Hillary. Eventually they, too, will learn to stop voting against their own interests. But I suspect that’s a generation away, now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:09:20pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Hillary is just crushing Bernie.

Embedded Image

Man not even close. He’s in for a rough Tuesday because it’s not going to get any easier for him from here. She’s firmly in the drivers seat now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:09:24pm

re: #67 FormerDirtDart

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Heel!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:10:27pm

re: #86 Nyet

This right here is the problem:

Yep, same patronizing bullshit that you see on the right.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:11:08pm

re: #86 Nyet

This right here is the problem:

Berniesplaining, i.e. white folks trying to tell black folks why voting for Bernie is the only way they’ll get ahead.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:11:19pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Man not even close. He’s in for a rough Tuesday because it’s not going to get any easier for him from here. She’s firmly in the drivers seat now.

Clinton always was.

Bernie was a way to get a bit of dynamics into the race, to have just enough conflict to get some attention from the media onto the Democratic race.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:11:25pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Yep, same patronizing bullshit that you see on the right.

Only thing missing is the P-word.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:11:38pm
NoFortunateSon Feb 28 * 01:34:04 AM
Clearly, what Sanders needed was MOAR CORNELL WEST.

Bush Bites NoFortunateSon Feb 28 * 01:35:34 AM
Who told Bernie that was a good idea, anyway?

jrooth Bush Bites Feb 28 * 01:39:21 AM
Probably Cornell West did.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:11:47pm

re: #91 freetoken

Clinton always was.

Bernie was a way to get a bit of dynamics into the race, to have just enough conflict to get some attention from the media onto the Democratic race.

True that.

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:12:02pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Rage Furby is still boasting he’s going to “take down” Hillary - as soon as she wins the nomination. He’s “got the goods” on her. LOL

Well, she should be worried. Look what he did to Jeb! Bush.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:13:07pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Here’s the thing though and why I don’t want to be too hard on the young people who support Sanders. I really think genuinely their hearts are in the right place. I’ve been there. I’ve been that idealist. But I’ve also realized that ideas alone don’t always win the debate. The most effective President on Civil Rights was LBJ.

As I’ve said before, I was a Sanders supporter, but I think we need someone tough and crafty in office. Hillary will cut a bitch. Sanders will just continue to proclaim that the economy is rigged and go take a nap.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:13:07pm

re: #95 Skip Intro

Well, she should be worried. Look what he did to Jeb! Bush.

Allowed him to take part in debates and speak in public?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:13:13pm

The Guardian’s Lil’ Hillary has been doing a lot of spray painting this evening

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:13:15pm

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

Only thing missing is the P-word.

Yep or “free stuff.” Really that read just like what I’ve read conservatives say about the African-American bloc. What Clinton has done very well with the African-American community is to LISTEN. It’s not sexy like great promises like overhauling the entire health care system but it matters to a lot of people who deal with this crap.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:13:16pm

I talked last night about watching The People v OJ & how the memories came back. I just found the mother lode of re-reading.

Dominick Dunne’s full reporting of the trial for Vanity Fair.

Vanity Fair’s special correspondent, whose career covering murder trials began after his daughter was killed, was one of only two journalists with a guaranteed seat for every day of the O.J. Simpson trial. He was the conscience of the courtroom, a confidant to players on both sides of the case, and an inimitable, irresistible chronicler of the proceedings. Revisit his dispatches in this archival treasury.

vanityfair.com

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:13:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:13:58pm

re: #96 Schroedinger’s Dog

As I’ve said before, I was a Sanders supporter, but I think we need someone tough and crafty in office. Hillary will cut a bitch. Sanders will just continue to proclaim that the economy is rigged and go take a nap.

I was too. I think she’s just more prepared for the job than he is. I feel confident even though he may be to her left, she’d get just as much if not more accomplished than he will.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:14:08pm

Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupts in violence; three stabbed, 13 arrested

Three people were stabbed, including one who was critically wounded, and 13 were arrested when a Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupted in violence Saturday, police said.

A small group of people representing the Klan had announced that it would hold a rally at Pearson Park at 1:30 p.m., police said. By 11 a.m., several dozen protesters showed up at the park to confront the Klan.

About an hour later, several men in black garb with Confederate flag patches arrived and were escorted by police around the edge of the park.

Violence erupted and some of the protesters could be seen kicking a man whose shirt read “Grand Dragon.” At some point, a protester collapsed on the ground bleeding, crying that he had been stabbed.

A Klansman in handcuffs could be heard telling a police officer that he “stabbed him in self-defense.” Several other people were also handcuffed.

[…]

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:14:09pm

Stopped by Fark, which has seen a Sandbagger infestation in recent weeks in its Politics section. And already the crying into beer has begun about how “mean” Hillary has been to them, how she’s “slandered” them, and how they’re now going to stay home or vote against her because she didn’t coddle them enough.

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Tigger2  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:14:54pm

re: #86 Nyet

This right here is the problem:

Voters will do that under any Dem president it’s been going on for years.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:16:03pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

Stopped by Fark, which has seen a Sandbagger infestation in recent weeks in its Politics section. And already the crying into beer has begun about how “mean” Hillary has been to them, how she’s “slandered” them, and how they’re now going to stay home or vote against her because she didn’t coddle them enough.

Don’t you get the feeling that the Sanders coterie are just a bunch of special snowflakes that got weaned a bit too early.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:16:36pm

re: #88 Big Beautiful Door

Heel!

That’ll do pig,
That’ll do.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:17:11pm

Could it be that the Bernie youths voted on a twitter poll and thought that was it? /dripping

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:17:28pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

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Worst part for me is the ups and downs. At noon, I felt pretty good, considering. Offered to drive the Younger Boy to his GF’s house. Luckily, that fell through, because by 1:30 I was feeling pretty ragged. Then at 4:00 I was feeling well enough to make myself a grilled cheese and a bowl of soup. Now? I’m not even sure I could eat the soup.

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:17:48pm

re: #86 Nyet

This right here is the problem:

January 2009: Black unemployment rate 12.7%
March 2010: Black unemployment rate 16.8%

January 2016: Black unemployment rate 8.8%

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:18:00pm

re: #106 Schroedinger’s Dog

Don’t you get the feeling that the Sanders coterie are just a bunch of special snowflakes that got weaned a bit too early.

That’s been my impression for awhile, that too many of them are the special little snowflakes who got brought up being told that the only thing that matters is how they feel. It’s why one of the common things I hear from Sandbaggers is declarations that they don’t care if voting third party or staying home means a Trump presidency, because their conscience will be “clear.”

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:18:13pm

I saw Hillary’s victory speech and thought she had the best line..We don’t need to make America Great again, it never stopped being great.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:18:36pm

I missed the Trump live speech in Tennessee… maybe I should watch the recording?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:19:04pm

re: #113 freetoken

I missed the Trump live speech in Tennessee… maybe I should watch the recording?

For the love of god, WHY?

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:19:07pm

re: #113 freetoken

I missed the Trump live speech in Tennessee… maybe I should watch the recording?

It sounded better in the original German.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:19:14pm

re: #112 Schroedinger’s Dog

I saw Hillary’s victory speech and thought she had the best line..We don’t need to make America Great again, it never stopped being great.

It’s a good line. Trump’s line really shows how cynical he is and why I don’t think he’s got a good chance. He’s a negative asshole.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:19:24pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:19:35pm

re: #112 Schroedinger’s Dog

I saw Hillary’s victory speech and thought she had the best line..We don’t need to make America Great again, it never stopped being great.

She seems to be already setting things up for her general election run, portraying herself as the anti-Trump. Sounds like a winning strategy to me.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:19:56pm

re: #114 Blind Frog Belly White

For the love of god, WHY?

It was another airport gig… where Trump rolls up on the tarmack and gets to show off how big his dick airplane is.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:20:00pm

The Revolution will not be.

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Nojay UK  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:20:45pm

re: #115 Schroedinger’s Dog

It sounded better in the original German.

s/German/Mongolian/

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:20:55pm

Christie road the place with him, as you saw in the Vine earlier.

LIVE Donald Trump Tennessee Millington FULL SPEECH HD Paul LePage Regional Jetport February 27 ✔

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:21:31pm

Hillary Clinton has administered quite a thrashing to Bernie Sanders in SC. A 50-point spread. Yikes. And HUGE support among African Americans. That’s gotta be a wake-up call to Bernie’s campaign. Killer Mike and Cornel West aren’t doing the trick.

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bratwurst  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:21:36pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Behold the narrative for the next 9 months:

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Odd that the people who were so concerned about New Hampshire are also concerned by the margin tonight.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:21:49pm

Can you say: out of touch?

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:22:33pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Hillary Clinton has administered quite a thrashing to Bernie Sanders in SC. A 50-point spread. Yikes. And HUGE support among African Americans. That’s gotta be a wake-up call to Bernie’s campaign. Killer Mike and Cornel West aren’t doing the trick.

West is probably doing the opposite.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:22:35pm

Christie was doing a good stump speech for Trump. He makes quite a mouthpiece.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:22:50pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:23:08pm

re: #114 Blind Frog Belly White

For the love of god, WHY?

Freetoken does it so we don’t have to.

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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:23:40pm

Fuck Chuck Todd. Both on general principles for being a gigantic asshat. And specifically for nattering on about FBI INVESTIGATION—CLINTON 11TY!!

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:24:01pm

re: #128 FormerDirtDart

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Something about Bernie seems to have pissed South Carolinians off.

What a rout.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:25:01pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Hillary Clinton has administered quite a thrashing to Bernie Sanders in SC. A 50-point spread. Yikes. And HUGE support among African Americans. That’s gotta be a wake-up call to Bernie’s campaign. Killer Mike and Cornel West aren’t doing the trick.

If NV was any indication, Bernie will just get nastier and his surrogates louder, while he continues his entrenchment in the caucus states which are almost universally whiter than SC.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:25:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:25:16pm

re: #131 b.d.

Something about Bernie seems to have pissed South Carolinians off.

What a rout.

Was it really him or did they like Clinton that much more? Clinton lost NH to him where she had won there in 2008. I think so many Sanders supporters don’t respect the fact that a lot of Democrats do genuinely like Hillary Clinton and don’t see her as “settling.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:25:49pm

re: #133 Nyet

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Nah that won’t stop them.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:26:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:26:11pm

How much longer does Bernie realistically have?

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:26:26pm

A nice analysis of the twists and turns of the insane site Free Republic.

Free Republic is now almost fully in the Trump camp. Rubio supporters who were barely tolerated before are now zotted on sight, and Cruz supporters are getting their threads pulled, posts erased, and accounts temporarily suspended, while the most vile attacks on Cruz are passively encouraged by administration. Despite assurance otherwise, Jim Robinson has made his decision, and it is only a matter of time before Cruz fans will need to evolve or be purged.

The Free Republic birther evolution is both hilarious and indicative of how Free Republic is a 1984ish pseudo society. Free Republic was the heart of birtherism, with thousands of birther articles and breathless discussions with thousands of posts about every stupid filing and Orly blog post. The birther banner was on top of the forum for easy access, and anyone who questioned birthers a little too much was on thin ice.

But sometime in late 2014, Free Republic realized that Cruz will be running and suddenly Jim Robinson declared that birtherism was no longer welcome. People who were pushing the same tired “2 citizen parents” crap for 6 years, have suddenly found themselves outside the emperors favor. There was never an explanation, or rationalization, just a declaration of the new party line and a zot to anyone who didn’t fall in line without questions. 99% of birthers simply obeyed, the few that tried to reason or fight it were unceremoniously purged. The birther banner on top of forum simply disappeared one day.

But with Trumps ascendancy and his repeated use of birther rhetoric, Jim Robinson changed his mind yet again. Now all the birthers are out of the woodwork again, using arguments against Cruz that would have gotten them banned several months ago. Birther posts and racist dog whistles are all over every presidential politics thread and encouraged by administration.

In order to survive on Free Republic you do not need to be super conservative, in fact it is pretty obvious that current favorite Trump is a politically centrist authoritarian with a long history of supporting left wing causes and candidates. Rather to avoid the zot, one must ALWAYS be in tune with what management thinks and support it unquestionably and enthusiastically. Nothing can be more Orwellian than this “Free” Republic.

This has happened nearly every election when “Hell No Jim Robinson” changes his mind and all of his earlier positions are wiped from the memory bank. Woe be to any Freeper who forgets this.

thefogbow.com

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:26:41pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:27:17pm

One thing I don’t think I’ve seen before in an exit poll. Thirty-five percent of voters trust Hillary more than Bernie to deal with race relations. Hillary won their votes unanimously.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:27:34pm
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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:27:47pm

re: #130 BeachDem

Remember that Todd is more than just the host of the anchor Sunday NBC show. He heads up their political news section. So all that magical balance fairy stuff you see on NBCU is indeed part of his work.

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bratwurst  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:27:56pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

How much longer does Bernie realistically have?

If he doesn’t win anywhere coming up other than Vermont in the next 3 weeks, it is over.

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lawhawk  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:28:15pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Hillary Clinton has administered quite a thrashing to Bernie Sanders in SC. A 50-point spread. Yikes. And HUGE support among African Americans. That’s gotta be a wake-up call to Bernie’s campaign. Killer Mike and Cornel West aren’t doing the trick.

Hillary just cemented the nomination tonight. Super Tuesday is the coronation. There’s not much favoring Bernie from here on out. The numbers/demographics don’t favor him, and this kind of thrashing is only going to get the superdelegates to fall in line with Hillary.

Bernie’s going to need the rest of the weekend to figure out treating the burn.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:28:19pm

Hillary has dipped below 75% in South Carolina for the first time this evening, Bernie is building momentum, and clearly has her on the run!!!

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:28:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:28:22pm

Whoa. Killer Mike doesn’t seem to be helping Bernie much.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:28:28pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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Twenty Dollar Popcorn

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:30:11pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

Whoa. Killer Mike doesn’t seem to be helping Bernie much.

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Looks like Mike killed Bernie just fine.

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:30:19pm

re: #142 freetoken

Remember that Todd is more than just the host of the anchor Sunday NBC show. He heads up their political news section. So all that magical balance fairy stuff you see on NBCU is indeed part of his work.

Funny Todd isn’t worried about Trump’s attacks on Rubio being a problem down the road for him. The sellout at NBC must go all the way to the top.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:30:24pm

I suppose this is also huge for the superdelegates.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:31:01pm

I’m watching a documentary on the 1600’s wars between Holland and England. Great stuff on the sea tactics of that time, and the politics and alliances that formed.

RBS

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bratwurst  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:31:07pm

Ouch

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:31:09pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:31:55pm

Hillary must be doing better with the black vote than Obama, because she is married to the first black president. ////

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:32:10pm

re: #150 Skip Intro

Funny Todd isn’t worried about Trump’s attacks on Rubio being a problem down the road for him. The sellout at NBC must go all the way to the top.

You do remember that Trump’s show was one of NBCU’s more successful small ventures?

The parent company, Comcast, would love to have more of their people at FCC… to be sure to not stop them in future acquisitions.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:32:43pm

re: #138 Skip Intro

A nice analysis of the twists and turns of the insane site Free Republic.

This has happened nearly every election when “Hell No Jim Robinson” changes his mind and all of his earlier positions are wiped from the memory bank. Woe be to any Freeper who forgets this.

thefogbow.com

Yep, I’ve been watching that, how the mood and views have changed over the last few months. I’m loving it.

RBS

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sizzzzlerz  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:32:51pm

In what passes for a little humor amongst the programming glitterati, I offer the following:

Sally had a problem.
Sally decided to use regular expressions to solve her problem.
Now, Sally has two problems.

Thank you. I’ll be here all night. Be sure to tip your waiter and try the veal!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:33:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:33:42pm

Apparently I’m not supposed to notice that Bernie brought out Killer Mike to appeal to African Americans.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:33:46pm

Sanders is now officially screwed, blewed and tattooed-if not now, then Super Tuesday will be the final nail in the coffin.

The only thing that can stop Clinton is an FBI indictment over Emailgate.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:34:03pm

- Hello, would you like to know about the Messiah?

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:34:18pm

re: #158 sizzzzlerz

In what passes for a little humor amongst the programming glitterati, I offer the following:

Thank you. I’ll be here all night. Be sure to tip your waiter and try the veal!

Randall Munroe used that joke on xkcd but started with a few more problems.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:35:34pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Apparently she didn’t get the sarcasm:

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:36:00pm

The Escalator of Destiny

Pondering titles of a Trump biography.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:36:05pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Apparently I’m not supposed to notice that Bernie brought out Killer Mike to appeal to African Americans.

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Berniacs are going to be obnoxiously butthurt over every single thing and it will get worse after Tuesday.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:36:25pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:36:26pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:36:27pm

re: #154 goddamnedfrank

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Sandbaggers seem to have taken the wrong lesson from ‘08, which was not that youth voters took Obama to the White House, but that they came out in such numbers was a major shock when traditionally they’ve stayed home on Election Day. John McCain won the white vote in ‘08 and still lost the election. The people who gave SC to Hillary today are the ones who put Obama in the White House.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:37:11pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Apparently I’m not supposed to notice that Bernie brought out Killer Mike to appeal to African Americans.

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Sounds like a disillusioned Bernie fan who’s butthurt over him losing badly.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:37:17pm

Just heard Andrea Mitchell suggest nobody on the Clinton Campaign wants to go up against Trump. To which my response is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:37:18pm

re: #168 GlutenFreeJesus

Seems reasonable.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:37:23pm

Trump supporter has Trump hair.

Listen to the whole short thing.

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:37:46pm

re: #156 freetoken

Yes, I remember that. I also remember NBC “firing” Trump supposedly over something he said. He then attacked NBC.

Within a week he was all over NBC again, and has never left.

Very similar to his “feud” with Fox, now that I think of it.

Trump is playing his followers for the fools they are, while assuring the people in his financial class that it’s all a show and they’re all going to make a shitload of money out of it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:39:22pm

re: #172 jaunte

Exactly why many of them will just sit at home.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:40:18pm

re: #168 GlutenFreeJesus

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But the Iraq War vote!!!

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:41:11pm

The Signing of Form A

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:44:25pm

About the only state where I’ve seen Bernie polling similarly to how Hillary did in SC and possibly replicating the same sort of trouncing is Vermont. Everywhere else, his lead is at best in the single digits. After tonight, even those states might start falling like dominoes.

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Tigger2  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:44:52pm
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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:46:28pm

re: #145 FormerDirtDart

Hillary has dipped below 75% in South Carolina for the first time this evening, Bernie is building momentum, and clearly has her on the run!!!

Example of pie in the sky thinking on Berners’ parts—Bamberg County. The Berners were delirious when Justin Bamberg, the State rep from that county endorsed Bernie; it will be HUGE they said (ignoring that Bakari Sellers, a much bigger name in the SCDP who had that seat for a decade endorsed and spoke for Hillary.)

Current #s in Bamberg county:

Hillary 88%
Sanders 10%

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:46:39pm
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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:47:40pm

re: #60 Nyet

I think that is because that same audience saw Hillary in 2008 as better than Bernie in 2016. In 2008, they saw Obama and Hillary as ranked more closely. I don’t think it is because they like Hillary 2016 better than Obama 2008.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:48:44pm

Lil’ Hillary just waiting on Saluda County now…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:48:52pm

I really don’t need to be the target of a pile-on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:49:39pm

re: #183 FormerDirtDart

Lil’ Hillary just waiting on Saluda County now…

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Get your broom out, looks like a clean sweep.

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Tigger2  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:50:23pm

hahaha

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:51:20pm

A lot of butthurt on the intertoobz tonight.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:51:36pm

re: #180 BeachDem

Example of pie in the sky thinking on Berners’ parts—Bamberg County. The Berners were delirious when Justin Bamberg, the State rep from that county endorsed Bernie; it will be HUGE they said (ignoring that Bakari Sellers, a much bigger name in the SCDP who had that seat for a decade endorsed and spoke for Hillary.)

Current #s in Bamberg county:

Hillary 88%
Sanders 10%

State rep owns county? His G-G-Grandpa started it? Amaze, the South.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:52:45pm

re: #187 Not a Sparkly Vampire

A lot of butthurt on the intertoobz tonight.

I don’t have much sympathy for the group of Berniac arsonists who have been poisoning the Democratic Party’s well lately.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:53:44pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Get your broom out, looks like a clean sweep.

Well hell, I guess since Hillary is formerly a Senator of the Great State of New York it’ll be OK to use Mr. Met

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:53:50pm

re: #183 FormerDirtDart

Lil’ Hillary just waiting on Saluda County now…

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Bernie might still turn this thing around LOL.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:54:36pm

re: #188 Stanley Sea

State rep owns county? His G-G-Grandpa started it? Amaze, the South.

Not sure but young Bamberg actually sounds like an impressive guy. He’s my age and was the family attorney for Walter Scott’s.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:54:58pm

re: #189 b.d.

I don’t have much sympathy for the group of Berniac arsonists who have been poisoning the Democratic Party’s well lately.

Word. They’re going to be insufferable.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:55:31pm

re: #190 FormerDirtDart

Well hell, I guess since Hillary is formerly a Senator of the Great State of New York it’ll be OK to use Mr. Met
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Fine with me, the Mets are the NY baseball team I hate least.

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:55:50pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Get your broom out, looks like a clean sweep.

And Saluda comes in all at once, 84-16 for Hillary.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:56:14pm
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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:56:42pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Fine with me, the Mets are the NY baseball team I hate least.

Sigh… I’m a Braves fan, but I can suspend my Mets-hatred (or Mets-contempt) for special occasions, and this is one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:57:12pm

Not seeing anything on my Facebook from those I know. I think they knew this was a bad state for them but the margin probably shocks en.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:58:14pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

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Very well written piece.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:58:23pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Not seeing anything on my Facebook from those I know. I think they knew this was a bad state for them but the margin probably shocks en.

Only thing I saw was a friend of mine who was at Bernie’s rally in Austin this morning. That was today, right? Or was that yesterday?

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:59:12pm

I’m trying to envision the first Trump vs. Clinton debate… not going to be pretty.

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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:59:24pm

re: #183 FormerDirtDart

Lil’ Hillary just waiting on Saluda County now…

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Bernie’s best showing percentage-wise was Pickens County, and he still lost that one by 11 points.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 5:59:49pm

re: #202 BeachDem

Bernie’s best showing percentage-wise was Pickens County, and he still lost that one by 11 points.

What is Pickens County like?

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:01:32pm

I think I’m going to watch Mortdecai this evening. Looks like a good cast, hopefully it’s a good tongue in cheek caper flick. I need some light entertainment this evening.

RBS

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:01:43pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

What is Pickens County like?

Per Wikipedia.

The racial makeup of the county was 90.27% White, 6.82% Black or African American, 0.16% Native American, 1.18% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 0.70% from other races, and 0.85% from two or more races. 1.70% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 27.9% were of American, 11.8% English, 11.6% Irish, 10.3% German and 5.0% Scotch-Irish ancestry according to Census 2000.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:01:44pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:01:58pm

re: #195 Brian J.

And Saluda comes in all at once, 84-16 for Hillary.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:02:07pm

re: #67 FormerDirtDart

Knew it. Trump paid him a good sum of $ to basically be his bully.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:02:20pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

Per Wikipedia.

Thanks. So overwhelmingly white.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:02:26pm

re: #201 freetoken

I’m trying to envision the first Trump vs. Clinton debate… not going to be pretty.

I’m afraid that Hillary telling Trump to ‘Stop lying’ is going to be the new ‘Obama knows exactly what his doing’.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:02:39pm

re: #201 freetoken

Hopefully HRC will tell off that Trump person in no uncertain terms. And still do it in a very lady-like fashion. That would be great.

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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:02:40pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Not sure but young Bamberg actually sounds like an impressive guy. He’s my age and was the family attorney for Walter Scott’s.

Oh, he is. He’s a great guy, and I’m really glad he won the seat. But they were acting like that endorsement was going to be everything and a bag a chips for Bernie.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:03:17pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

What is Pickens County like?

It’s not very Berned

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:03:38pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Thanks. So overwhelmingly white.

And yet still far more diverse than New Hampshire, which the national media sold as some kind of fucking bellwether.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:03:53pm

re: #212 BeachDem

Oh, he is. He’s a great guy, and I’m really glad he won the seat. But they were acting like that endorsement was going to be everything and a bag a chips for Bernie.

Right. Hope he has a future. Seems like a great guy. As I’ve said respectful people can agree to disagree on Bernie vs Clinton.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:04:10pm

Looks like the Bernie fans’ talking point is going to be that all the African Americans who voted for Clinton were over 65 years old.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:04:20pm

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

And yet still far more diverse than New Hampshire, which the national media sold as some kind of fucking bellwether.

Right.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:04:33pm

re: #201 freetoken

Trump supporters: HE KICKED THAT BITCH’S ASS!!!!

Hillary Supporters: She did well!

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:04:44pm

Over at The Regurgitant, Son of Erick whines:

Yes, Trump voters are right. If Donald Trump gets the Republican nomination for President and conservatives sit it out, Hillary Clinton will get elected.

That is the point of getting the disclosure out there in the primary that we won’t vote for Donald in the general. Trump voters need to understand that a Hillary Presidency will be on them. If they want to gamble that they can get Donald across the finish line without us, let them. It is their choice.

[…]

No, it really doesn’t make sense. But it is Son of Erick and he loves to whine about his victimhood.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:05:12pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

As if that means anything. Everyone’s vote counts, regardless of age.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:05:30pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Looks like the Bernie fans’ talking point is going to be that all the African Americans who voted for Clinton were over 65 years old.

Well one person, one vote unless they agree more with Bork’s interpretation than Bill Brennan’s….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:06:15pm

re: #220 GlutenFreeJesus

As if that means anything. Everyone’s vote counts, regardless of age.

Right, nothing’s stopping 18-30 year olds from registering.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:07:43pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Looks like the Bernie fans’ talking point is going to be that all the African Americans who voted for Clinton were over 65 years old.

In other words, the revolution is not happening because the revolutionaries are sitting at home and sulking.

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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:07:48pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

What is Pickens County like?

It’s where Clemson is.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:08:33pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Right, nothing’s stopping 18-30 year olds from registering.

My Bernie friend’s saying that the reason Bernie isn’t winning is because kids aren’t registering and voting. Nothing to do at all with the fact that Bernie is completely unspectacular and that his campaign kicked off with a rather negative impression from some of his followers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:09:53pm

re: #225 thedopefishlives

My Bernie friend’s saying that the reason Bernie isn’t winning is because kids aren’t registering and voting. Nothing to do at all with the fact that Bernie is completely unspectacular and that his campaign kicked off with a rather negative impression from some of his followers.

As I said nothing is stopping em. I’ve been registered since I was 18.

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Danack  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:10:39pm

(stolen from dailykos)

Clearly, this contest would’ve ended differently had there been more Bernie-splaining to black voters. /s

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:11:29pm

If there was any doubt who Rachel was in the tank for, it has been wiped away tonight:

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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:11:48pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

As I said nothing is stopping em. I’ve been registered since I was 18.

Same here. I registered rather enthusiastically because my first Presidential election was Bush’s second term. Ah, my young and foolish wingnut phase.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:11:55pm

Bernie is what Bernie is.

This nomination cycle was all about making Clinton the nominee. The DNC took one from the playbook of the RNC here - nominate the next one in line.

If it were any other time I think this would be disastrous. But the GOP looks like they are quite capable of tearing themselves apart, so the Democrats may skate by this time.

But I worry about one thing - eventually there will be another recession. Probably in the next President’s first term. Even if Hillary wins (and she can beat Trump), the midterm election may see a reversal of fortunes and we’ll be right back to where we’ve been the last two years, with an obstructionist Republican Congress and a Democratic President seen as Satanic by a large share of Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:12:40pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

If there was any doubt who Rachel was in the tank for, it has been wiped away tonight:

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Come on Rachel. You’re smarter than that.

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:12:57pm

re: #208 GlutenFreeJesus

Knew it. Trump paid him a good sum of $ to basically be his bully.

Just like Palin. He needed to get Rubio out of the news yesterday and he did it.

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Franklin  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:13:37pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

If there was any doubt who Rachel was in the tank for, it has been wiped away tonight:

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Ahh. the old “running up the score” complaint. This isn’t youth soccer Rachel.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:14:06pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

If there was any doubt who Rachel was in the tank for, it has been wiped away tonight:

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WTF?

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:14:59pm

re: #233 Franklin

Ahh. the old “running up the score” complaint. This isn’t youth soccer Rachel.

Ayep, followed by “She needs to heal the party” bit:

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:16:00pm

re: #234 retired cynic

WTF?

She works for NBC. NBC is in the tank for Trump. Hence Hillary must be destroyed.

It’s just that simple. They’re all in on the take on the cable channels.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:16:26pm

‘Gen. Hayden, who had been an adviser to the presidential campaign of Jeb Bush, said the military would be required to refuse to obey these orders if Mr. Trump handed them down from the White House.

‘“You are required not to follow an unlawful order,” Gen. Hayden said. Some of Mr. Trump’s proposals “would be in violation of all the international laws of armed conflict.”’

blogs.wsj.com

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:16:51pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

If there was any doubt who Rachel was in the tank for, it has been wiped away tonight:

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Wow, really?

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:16:54pm

re: #236 Skip Intro

She works for NBC. NBC is in the tank for Trump. Hence Hillary must be destroyed.

It’s just that simple. They’re all in on the take on the cable channels.

Well, not entirely that simple. Maddow works for NBC, but she’s been a pretty clear Bernie booster for weeks now. She just picked tonight to go Full Sandbagger.

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lawhawk  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:17:29pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Looks like the Bernie fans’ talking point is going to be that all the African Americans who voted for Clinton were over 65 years old.

You mean voters.

Bernie’s support was vocal but thin. Not exactly a winning combination.

You win elections by GOTV. That’s what Hillary accomplished.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:17:34pm
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Franklin  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:18:14pm

re: #240 lawhawk

You mean voters.

Bernie’s support was vocal but thin. Not exactly a winning combination.

You win elections by GOTV. That’s what Hillary accomplished.

Yes, it’s volume vs volume. The loud ones don’t necessarily get to decide.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:19:42pm

Of course, now the pundits are preparing to swap out their “Democrats in Disarray” stories for “Clinton in Disarray” stories.

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:19:53pm

The delegate count for tonight will be 39-14 for Hillary, giving her a 91-65 lead among those earned in the primaries and caucuses, and a 538-82 lead including the dreaded superdelegates.

There are 878 delegates to be decided in three days.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:20:22pm

re: #237 retired cynic

‘“You are required not to follow an unlawful order,” Gen. Hayden said.

This is one of the ways Trump’s business experience has left him unprepared to be commander in chief.

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:20:30pm

re: #239 Targetpractice

Well, not entirely that simple. Maddow works for NBC, but she’s been a pretty clear Bernie booster for weeks now. She just picked tonight to go Full Sandbagger.

Funny then that she said the same thing that ChuckTodd did. It’s almost like it was scripted.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:20:52pm

shellacking
: a decisive defeat : drubbing

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:22:46pm

re: #246 Skip Intro

Funny then that she said the same thing that ChuckTodd did. It’s almost like it was scripted.

It is scripted. It’s the same script from ‘08, just earlier in the season because she’s already begun to pull away from Bernie when 8 years ago it was still a pretty hard fought race. Now will begin all the talk about how she, like Obama before her, has to “bring the party together” and make sure that Bernie’s supporters feel needed so they don’t just sit home or vote third party.

The fact that nobody is saying this shit about Trump speaks louder, i.e. nobody really expects Republicans to sit at home and pout on Election Day.

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:24:35pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

Maybe Bernie needs to bring the party together by actually joining it.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:25:15pm

re: #237 retired cynic

‘Gen. Hayden, who had been an adviser to the presidential campaign of Jeb Bush, said the military would be required to refuse to obey these orders if Mr. Trump handed them down from the White House.

‘“You are required not to follow an unlawful order,” Gen. Hayden said. Some of Mr. Trump’s proposals “would be in violation of all the international laws of armed conflict.”’

blogs.wsj.com

That is something that was drilled into me in basic training, and each year after that, what you could and could not do. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump wasn’t getting the sage consult of Alan West.

Same as Trump seems to have no problems vowing to simply ignore other treaties and agreements that the US has entered into. And you know he thinks that he can just ‘do it’.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:25:39pm

re: #249 Skip Intro

Maybe Bernie needs to bring the party together by actually joining it.

Couldn’t help to campaign for Dems.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:25:39pm
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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:26:04pm

re: #249 Skip Intro

Maybe Bernie needs to bring the party together by actually joining it.

I think he has a responsibility to pull his weight in reconciling his followers to the winning campaign.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:26:12pm

Just a facial expression can say so much.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:27:28pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

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I learned something from this. Which is good.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:27:48pm

re: #249 Skip Intro

Maybe Bernie needs to bring the party together by actually joining it.

That’s just it, we Hillary supporters have just been taken for granted by the Sandbaggers, the assumption that if he won the nomination then we’d fall in line and vote for him. Not a one has ever tried to make a serious effort to bridge the gap. In their minds, either you vote Bernie or you’re not a “true” progressive. Any Hillary supporters who opposed him might as well be Republicans or a shill for “corporate interests.”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:28:57pm

re: #212 BeachDem

Oh, he is. He’s a great guy, and I’m really glad he won the seat. But they were acting like that endorsement was going to be everything and a bag a chips for Bernie.

How does he have the same name as the county? Curious. (going back to see if I missed something)

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:29:14pm

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

It’s like that cartoon, where the older white man says he will crawl over broken glass to vote, and the white young woman wants to know if she can vote on Facebook.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:29:26pm

re: #253 retired cynic

I think he has a responsibility to pull his weight in reconciling his followers to the winning campaign.

And this is probably the biggest hidden burden on a losing candidate: You can’t let your failure to win fracture the party.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:29:56pm

re: #254 jaunte

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Just a facial expression can say so much.

Awwww!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:30:07pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

That’s just it, we Hillary supporters have just been taken for granted by the Sandbaggers, the assumption that if he won the nomination then we’d fall in line and vote for him. Not a one has ever tried to make a serious effort to bridge the gap. In their minds, either you vote Bernie or you’re not a “true” progressive. Any Hillary supporters who opposed him might as well be Republicans or a shill for “corporate interests.”

As I said, their arrogance is to assume people are “settling” for Clinton rather than often genuinely thinking she’s a great choice.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:30:37pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:31:28pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

How much longer does Bernie realistically have?

With the money he has been raising he can keep running for quite awhile. Realistically, Hillary will build up a virtually insurmountable lead on Tuesday.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:32:42pm

Ben Carson is sending out email invites to his “gathering” in Lexington KY on Monday Morning. KY Republican Caucuses are in a week.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:32:59pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

As I said, their arrogance is to assume people are “settling” for Clinton rather than often genuinely thinking she’s a great choice.

Yep, we’re seen as “settling” for her or allowing the “establishment” to choose the candidate for us. We’re just too dumb or lazy to realize how great a guy Bernie is, that if we just took five minutes to read up on him then we’d be an instant supporter of his. And the only reason we’d have not to support him after reading up on him is because we’re somehow against progress.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:33:01pm

America on the whole really isn’t so much into a guy who has spent most of his life in politics but wants to be called a “Socialist”.

And that is just how it is.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:34:03pm

re: #264 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I’m surprised Rand, who partially paid for that thing, has not arranged for the KY caucus to follow what Colorado did.

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:35:25pm

re: #263 Big Beautiful Door

With the money he has been raising he can keep running for quite awhile. Realistically, Hillary will build up a virtually insurmountable lead on Tuesday.

Don’t count on that being true. Bernie spent nearly $35 million in January while raising $21 million. He ended the month with $14.7 million cash on hand, down from $28.3 million on December 31.

At that Bern rate (sorry), his campaign will be broke within a week.

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MsJ  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:35:47pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Couldn’t help to campaign for Dems.

Bernie’ll campaign for Dems if/when he’s feeling it. Right now he’s feeling the burn.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:36:16pm
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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:36:18pm

re: #267 freetoken

I’m surprised Rand, who partially paid for that thing, has not arranged for the KY caucus to follow what Colorado did.

Republicans and prostitutes will only do so much for money.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:36:51pm

Just a friendly reminder:

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:37:42pm

re: #271 Brian J.

Republicans and prostitutes will only do so much for money.

Prostitutes maybe.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:40:06pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:40:17pm

re: #272 b.d.

Just a friendly reminder:

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See that tag next to his name? Yeah, that’s right. Nobody took him seriously when he ran, but he’s quickly turned into a respectable politician.

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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:40:24pm

re: #239 Targetpractice

Well, not entirely that simple. Maddow works for NBC, but she’s been a pretty clear Bernie booster for weeks now. She just picked tonight to go Full Sandbagger.

I turned it off about 20 minutes after they called it—they were all obnoxious, particularly Chuck Todd (of course) and Tweetie and “I’m the only person who’s ever lived in Massachusetts, so let me mansplain things to you” Lawrence O’Donnell.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:41:04pm

re: #268 Brian J.

Don’t count on that being true. Bernie spent nearly $35 million in January while raising $21 million. He ended the month with $14.7 million cash on hand, down from $28.3 million on December 31.

At that Bern rate (sorry), his campaign will be broke within a week.

Yeah, I’ve noticed that his campaign is no longer boasting about how much money it’s taking in from small donations, or really at all. The obvious answer would be that the donations are beginning to drop off just as the heaviest period of campaigning begins.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:44:51pm

Rubio going full 8 year old against Trump:

What the hell? Is he going to talk that way about Putin?

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:45:47pm

re: #275 thedopefishlives

See that tag next to his name? Yeah, that’s right. Nobody took him seriously when he ran, but he’s quickly turned into a respectable politician.

He has done a fine job.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:48:03pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Looks like the Bernie fans’ talking point is going to be that all the African Americans who voted for Clinton were over 65 years old.

In other words, people who actually come out to vote on election day.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:50:05pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:50:43pm

re: #230 freetoken

Bernie is what Bernie is.

This nomination cycle was all about making Clinton the nominee. The DNC took one from the playbook of the RNC here - nominate the next one in line.

If it were any other time I think this would be disastrous. But the GOP looks like they are quite capable of tearing themselves apart, so the Democrats may skate by this time.

But I worry about one thing - eventually there will be another recession. Probably in the next President’s first term. Even if Hillary wins (and she can beat Trump), the midterm election may see a reversal of fortunes and we’ll be right back to where we’ve been the last two years, with an obstructionist Republican Congress and a Democratic President seen as Satanic by a large share of Republicans.

Highly likely. But at least she will be there to wield a veto pen.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:52:41pm

Curious as to whether the final count will mean that turnout in SC was the same or lower than ‘08. Since the narrative for weeks now has been that Democrats are in trouble because they’re not bringing out the numbers they need, I’m curious if SC will continue that or will buck it.

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:54:25pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

Curious as to whether the final count will mean that turnout in SC was the same or lower than ‘08. Since the narrative for weeks now has been that Democrats are in trouble because they’re not bringing out the numbers they need, I’m curious if SC will continue that or will buck it.

Lower. By a lot. CNN’s count shows about 370,000 votes cast, compared to over 500,000 in 2008.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:55:12pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

Curious as to whether the final count will mean that turnout in SC was the same or lower than ‘08. Since the narrative for weeks now has been that Democrats are in trouble because they’re not bringing out the numbers they need, I’m curious if SC will continue that or will buck it.

2008 was a battle of the Titans and, no offense Berniacs and the horse race loving media, 2016 is really not a competitive turnout producing race.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:55:32pm

I changed and voted for Clinton. But no one is saying the obvious: Bernie was never going to play in a state where “socialist” equals cloven feet and horns. It’s a bit funny for me to hear all the “bernie bros are this” and “DK is that” when the comments here are increasingly little different in analytical tone. I don’t know a damn thing about Killer Mike, and I’ve long thought Cornell West, who early on may have had some important things to say, but I think a fool for his jealous sanctimony over “Brother” Obama, but plenty of other thoughtful and important black leaders have come out for Bernie. This idea that he’s picked up Killer Mike as a cynical ploy is beyond stupid.

He may be a one-message candidate (and that’s why I ultimately can’t support him), but that message is important. I hope it pushes HRC past her comfort zone. God knows I love Obama, but even his administration has done little to curb the growth of the financial services influence. So, Go Bernie! Push the agenda so that our candidate Clinton can speak in the general to those concerns as if they were natural.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Feb 27, 2016 • 6:58:07pm

re: #278 b.d.

Rubio going full 8 year old against Trump:

What the hell? Is he going to talk that way about Putin?

The pathetic, sad thing is:

this sort of crap is how the Republican “establishment” is going to fight Trump. By acting like watered-down Trump.

Because they already know the base only wants fear, arrogance, and rage, because they used to work the street corner Trump now controls.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:00:24pm

Good evening, Lizards. Wow, what a win for Hillary. I noticed MSNBC didn’t waste any time to change the subject, because now Trump is on with Chris.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:01:33pm

re: #286 Barefoot Grin

Bernie has done a great job of bringing up important issues and keeping HRC as left as possible. I thank him for that but a certain number of his supporters and his campaign seem to either be Bernie or Bust and that is just skullfuckingly stupid and deserves to be openly mocked.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:01:45pm
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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:03:29pm

re: #287 Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis

Man every time I talk about Trump versus mainstream GOP, it immediately spirals into a metaphor about seedy, marginal moneymaking schemes. Snake oil, cooch dancing, and dealing…I guess I haven’t dropped a reference to Ginger Jake yet.

Eventually one of my comments is just going to be a transcription of the film “New Jack City.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:05:16pm

re: #237 retired cynic

‘Gen. Hayden, who had been an adviser to the presidential campaign of Jeb Bush, said the military would be required to refuse to obey these orders if Mr. Trump handed them down from the White House.

‘“You are required not to follow an unlawful order,” Gen. Hayden said. Some of Mr. Trump’s proposals “would be in violation of all the international laws of armed conflict.”’

blogs.wsj.com

“I was just following orders” defense didn’t work at Nuremberg, and it wouldn’t work now. You have to disobey orders to engage in illegal torture and to kill civilians.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:07:11pm

re: #278 b.d.

Rubio going full 8 year old against Trump:

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What the hell? Is he going to talk that way about Putin?

This. I’m kinda half expecting one of them to say “I’m rubber you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you! Neener-neener-neener…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:07:14pm

Just back from the Bernie houseparty/votewatch. I tried to console them all with Frascati, but I had to card a few.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:08:44pm

My boss just sent me an article about Trump’s WWII heroes, Patton and MacArthur:

reuters.com

Pretty revealing, I think. America liked Ike. America appreciated, but didn’t like grandiose blowhards and momma’s boys.

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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:08:52pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

That’s just it, we Hillary supporters have just been taken for granted by the Sandbaggers, the assumption that if he won the nomination then we’d fall in line and vote for him. Not a one has ever tried to make a serious effort to bridge the gap. In their minds, either you vote Bernie or you’re not a “true” progressive. Any Hillary supporters who opposed him might as well be Republicans or a shill for “corporate interests.”

And some of the kos berniacs are gigantic drama queens:

And to see this good man, this exceptional human being within the constellation of political personalities being maligned within the Democratic Party for no reason other than that his hopeful vision stands in the way of another Democrat’s personal career ambitions, it creates a feeling of moral outrage within me that I cannot contain…

But what I am seeing is that this man and his extraordinary character and wisdom need to be defended from the calumny that has been voiced against him…

I want to see ultimate justice for Bernie and his story, period. That cause resonates with every fiber in my political body. I want to loudly proclaim his virtuous mind and soul to all the naysayers, beginning with those in the Dem Party.

dailykos.com

moral outrage and columny and his virtuous mind and soul you guys!

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:09:39pm

This guy is starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob…

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thedopefishlives  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:10:27pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

This guy is starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob…

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Says the guy whose own party is swerving so far to the right, they might as well be going left.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:11:47pm

re: #296 BeachDem

My favorite was always ‘I can barely type through my tears’. That was a big one at FDL.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:12:45pm

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re: #297 CuriousLurker

This guy is starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob…

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He should worry about his own party.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:12:53pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

This guy is starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob…

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He’s starting to look like Herbert Lom’s character in the Pink Panther movies.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:13:24pm

re: #296 BeachDem

Excuse me while I go get my barf bag…. They sound just like the wingnuts.

Drama Llama
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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:15:35pm

re: #1 Nyet

You have just made it up to cover up the brutal suppression of the Hamster Revolt! Confess!

Of course. The Hamster Revolt had to be suppressed, the Feline Overlords demanded it. I should know, as I was the one who oversaw the delivery of the leading hamsters of Illinois and Wisconsin to the Feline Overlords to be devoured.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:16:03pm

re: #299 stpaulbear

My favorite was always ‘I can barely type through my tears’. That was a big one at FDL.

Seriosly? People actually said without sarcasm?

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:16:11pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:16:14pm

re: #294 Decatur Deb

Just back from the Bernie houseparty/votewatch. I tried to console them all with Frascati, but I had to card a few.

We’re they irrational in defeat? Or proper Dems in solidarity?

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:17:14pm

re: #304 CuriousLurker

Seriosly? People actually said without sarcasm?

A lot. That’s why it’s my favorite cliche.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:17:35pm

Trump tells Christie to get on a plane and go home: Hot Mic

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:18:03pm

Also, anyone have video of Rachel’s comments on Hillary?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:18:29pm

re: #306 Stanley Sea

We’re they irrational in defeat? Or proper Dems in solidarity?

Brave troopers, preparing one last phone blitz for the Alabama primary on Super Tuesday. They let me make my “Whoever wins…” pitch.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:19:25pm

Never do a Bean Boozled Jelly Bean challenge. We almost had the four of us puking. I got a dog food jelly bean.

::barf::

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:19:26pm

re: #309 Jenner7

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Also, anyone have video of Rachel’s comments on Hillary?

Was just reading that

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:20:41pm

re: #309 Jenner7

So when are they introducing Afternoon Joe?

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:21:25pm

re: #296 BeachDem

I want to see ultimate justice for Bernie and his story, period. That cause resonates with every fiber in my political body.

I’ve been looking for a breakfast cereal with a little more political body fiber.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:21:44pm

re: #313 stpaulbear

So when are they introducing Afternoon Joe?

All Day Joe

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:21:53pm

re: #313 stpaulbear

So when are they introducing Afternoon Joe?

Soon every cable news network will be some version of Fox News. Because only crotchety old people watch cable news.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:22:24pm

re: #296 BeachDem

Just started reading through the comments and it’s already the usual list of excuses: “She’s only winning in red states,” “People don’t understand how great Bernie is,” “She spiked the football!,” and so forth. The people who two weeks ago were dancing in the aisles and suggesting Hillary needed to quit the race “for the good of the party” are now breaking out the cheese and whine about how the primaries aren’t “fair” to Bernie.

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Tigger2  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:23:25pm

re: #309 Jenner7

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Also, anyone have video of Rachel’s comments on Hillary?

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Brian J.  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:23:36pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

Just started reading through the comments and it’s already the usual list of excuses: “She’s only winning in red states,” “People don’t understand how great Bernie is,” “She spiked the football!,” and so forth. The people who two weeks ago were dancing in the aisles and suggesting Hillary needed to quit the race “for the good of the party” are now breaking out the cheese and whine about how the primaries aren’t “fair” to Bernie.

Iowa isn’t red, and Nevada isn’t red, Joni Ernst and Brian Sandoval aside.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:24:18pm
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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:25:19pm

re: #307 stpaulbear

A lot. That’s why it’s my favorite cliche.

The only time I’ve ever cried over politics is when Obama won in 2008—partly out of happiness for what he symbolized (not only for blacks, but for all minorities), and partly out of immense relief that Dubya & Cheney et al were finally gone and we wouldn’t have to deal with a war mongering GOP administration for another four years.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:25:41pm

re: #295 Barefoot Grin

My boss just sent me an article about Trump’s WWII heroes, Patton and MacArthur:

reuters.com

Pretty revealing, I think. America liked Ike. America appreciated, but didn’t like grandiose blowhards and momma’s boys.

I don’t think Trump would have been as magnanimous as Douglas MacArthur was in that famous photo leading the article: The two generals standing behind MacArthur are Gen. Jonathan M. Wainwright, whom MacArthur had been forced to leave in charge of the US forces in the Philippines and be overwhelmed by the Japanese when FDR ordered him to Australia in 1942, and General Sir Arthur Percival, the British general who had been defeated at Singapore. Donald Trump would have dismissed both such men as losers.

Hell, Trump would have mocked MacArthur had footage existed of MacArthur diving into a ditch in New Guinea after Japanese mortar fire started landing nearby when in fact MacArthur was just being prudent and had directed those around him to take cover as well.

Donald Trump would be barely fit to shine Douglas MacArthur’s shoes.

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:26:25pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:27:20pm

re: #319 Brian J.

Iowa isn’t red, and Nevada isn’t red, Joni Ernst and Brian Sandoval aside.

Yeah, and in those states he did “better than expected.” They’re doing what always screws over Democats in election years: Writing off the South and focusing on the North because they figure there’s no way to win those states.

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:28:50pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:28:50pm

re: #319 Brian J.

Iowa isn’t red, and Nevada isn’t red, Joni Ernst and Brian Sandoval aside.

They’re purple, though both Clinton and Trump had major organizational advantages in Nevada. But making use of your connections to get casino employees on your side and at the caucus isn’t unethical, its just smart politics.

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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:29:13pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

Just started reading through the comments and it’s already the usual list of excuses: “She’s only winning in red states,” “People don’t understand how great Bernie is,” “She spiked the football!,” and so forth. The people who two weeks ago were dancing in the aisles and suggesting Hillary needed to quit the race “for the good of the party” are now breaking out the cheese and whine about how the primaries aren’t “fair” to Bernie.

And then there were the “South Carolina doesn’t have indoor plumbing” and this gobsmacking, “I don’t think any Bernie supporter is surprised. A state with a long tradition of institutionalized bigotry is not going to have a huge number of citizens who support a white Jewish man from the north. “

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:29:57pm

re: #321 CuriousLurker

The only time I’ve ever cried over politics is when Obama won in 2008—partly out of happiness for what he symbolized (not only for blacks, but for all minorities), and partly out of immense relief that Dubya & Cheney et al were finally gone and we wouldn’t have to deal with a war mongering GOP administration for another four years.

I cried on that day too. Actually quite a few of Obama’s speeches have brought a tear or two. I also cried on the day that same sex marriage became law in Minnesota. That was a great day.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:30:18pm

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

P.S.: The truck used to drive the hamsters to their doom was driven, loaded and unloaded by union labor of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters. Employed of course by Koch Transportation.

I don’t think Trump would have been as magnanimous as Douglas MacArthur was in that famous photo leading the article: The two generals standing behind MacArthur are Gen. Jonathan M. Wainwright, whom MacArthur had been forced to leave in charge of the US forces in the Philippines and be overwhelmed by the Japanese when FDR ordered him to Australia in 1942, and General Sir Arthur Percival, the British general who had been defeated at Singapore. Donald Trump would have dismissed both such men as losers.

Hell, Trump would have mocked MacArthur had footage existed of MacArthur diving into a ditch in New Guinea after Japanese mortar fire started landing nearby when in fact MacArthur was just being prudent and had directed those around him to take cover as well.

Donald Trump would be barely fit to shine Douglas MacArthur’s shoes.

MacArthur was a complex man. He allowed New Dealers to help shape the occupation of Japan (thus its constitution with Article 9, vast land redistribution, support for unions until China started to turn communist), but he would have hated much of what he tolerated in Japan at home.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:31:49pm

re: #327 BeachDem

And then there were the “South Carolina doesn’t have indoor plumbing” and this gobsmacking, “I don’t think any Bernie supporter is surprised. A state with a long tradition of institutionalized bigotry is not going to have a huge number of citizens who support a white Jewish man from the north. “

Do they explain how that same state has an Indian-American governor and an African-American senator?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:32:40pm

re: #295 Barefoot Grin

My boss just sent me an article about Trump’s WWII heroes, Patton and MacArthur:

reuters.com

Pretty revealing, I think. America liked Ike. America appreciated, but didn’t like grandiose blowhards and momma’s boys.

Blood and Guts Patton was not nearly as well-liked as his image suggests. The biggest eye-opener I’ve read on Patton came from, believe it or not, Andy Rooney, in his book “My War” - a great book, by the way.

One-line takeaway: A bloodthirsty general is not a friend to the soldiers who have to do the fighting and dying.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:34:02pm

re: #331 Pawn of the Oppressor

Blood and Guts Patton was not nearly as well-liked as his image suggests. The biggest eye-opener I’ve read on Patton came from, believe it or not, Andy Rooney, in his book “My War” - a great book, by the way.

One-line takeaway: A bloodthirsty general is not a friend to the soldiers who have to do the fighting and dying.

My grandfather always spoke more highly of Bradley. He wasn’t a WWII vet- Korea but still.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:34:46pm

re: #331 Pawn of the Oppressor

Blood and Guts Patton was not nearly as well-liked as his image suggests. The biggest eye-opener I’ve read on Patton came from, believe it or not, Andy Rooney, in his book “My War” - a great book, by the way.

One-line takeaway: A bloodthirsty general is not a friend to the soldiers who have to do the fighting and dying.

No, but his aggression was something America needed at the time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:35:18pm

Baby Whiplash admits he hates Hillary so much he will vote for a flaming bag of dog shit==>

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:35:29pm

re: #327 BeachDem

And then there were the “South Carolina doesn’t have indoor plumbing” and this gobsmacking, “I don’t think any Bernie supporter is surprised. A state with a long tradition of institutionalized bigotry is not going to have a huge number of citizens who support a white Jewish man from the north. “

Again, what it tells me is that Sandbaggers just take me and my vote for granted. That the only consideration they give me is if I’m a supporter of his or not. If I am, then I’m some civilized man amongst the savages. If I’m not, then I might as well be a Republican.

That’s not a way to win the White House. But it is a great way to go down in flames.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:35:50pm

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash admits he hates Hillary so much he will vote for a flaming bag of dog shit==>

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He’d vote for himself?

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:37:05pm

So I heard the former wingnut AZ governor, Jan Brewer, endorsed Trump. Imagine my shock & surprise. //

I wonder what took her so long? Arpaio endorsed him a month ago.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:38:44pm

Pleasant dreams.

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Tigger2  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:39:19pm

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash admits he hates Hillary so much he will vote for a flaming bag of dog shit==>

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:39:59pm

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think Trump would have been as magnanimous as Douglas MacArthur was in that famous photo leading the article: The two generals standing behind MacArthur are Gen. Jonathan M. Wainwright, whom MacArthur had been forced to leave in charge of the US forces in the Philippines and be overwhelmed by the Japanese when FDR ordered him to Australia in 1942, and General Sir Arthur Percival, the British general who had been defeated at Singapore. Donald Trump would have dismissed both such men as losers.

Hell, Trump would have mocked MacArthur had footage existed of MacArthur diving into a ditch in New Guinea after Japanese mortar fire started landing nearby when in fact MacArthur was just being prudent and had directed those around him to take cover as well.

Donald Trump would be barely fit to shine Douglas MacArthur’s shoes.

Hah! I’d like to see who would be braver in the brothels of Manhattan where the Donald experienced “combat.”/

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:40:11pm

re: #338 jaunte

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Pleasant dreams.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:40:21pm

re: #338 jaunte

LMAO

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:41:12pm

re: #335 Targetpractice

Again, what it tells me is that Sandbaggers just take me and my vote for granted. That the only consideration they give me is if I’m a supporter of his or not. If I am, then I’m some civilized man amongst the savages. If I’m not, then I might as well be a Republican.

That’s not a way to win the White House. But it is a great way to go down in flames.

What’s a Sandbagger? It sounds like whatever they are they’re jonesing for a Martyr Cookie.

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Lancelot Link  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:41:33pm

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

He’s a Republican. He’d vote for a flaming bag of dog crap no matter what.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:42:15pm

re: #339 Tigger2

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thousands of people would deliver that to his doorstep in order to save him the trip to the voting booth. We’re helpful types.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:42:25pm

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

What’s a Sandbagger? It sounds like whatever they are they’re jonesing for a Martyr Cookie.

LGF term for the Bernie supporters who act effectively like Tea Partiers.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:44:30pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

No, but his aggression was something America needed at the time.

Also, much of the Pacific Theater was won by others in places like Midway, right?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:45:29pm

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash admits he hates Hillary so much he will vote for a flaming bag of dog shit==>

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They have hated the Clintons with a burning passion for decades because they brought the Democrats back from the outer fringes to America’s political center, where they have stayed ever since. That is also why the far left despise the Clintons as well.

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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:46:44pm

re: #126 Nyet

West is probably doing the opposite.

Cornel West is his own caricature.

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:47:09pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Honestly if you’re constantly threatening to vote third party if you don’t get your pony, you’re not part of the Democratic base.

Indeed. You are part of the Democratic base if you will crawl over broken glass to vote against the Republicans at every opportunity.

That is how the GOP base is defined (with parties switched), and there’s no reason to define the (D) base any differently.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:47:54pm

re: #340 Big Beautiful Door

Hah! I’d like to see who would be braver in the brothels of Manhattan where the Donald experienced “combat.”/

MacArthur wasn’t the type to stray, though he did live in the Waldorf-Astoria after leaving the Army. The suite he and his wife shared (and that she continued to stay in until she died a few years ago) was on the floor right below the suite occupied by Herbert Hoover, the man who had made MacArthur Army Chief of Staff.

A more relevant comparison is that while Donald Trump did somewhat well in a military-style high school, Douglas MacArthur graduated from West Point with no demerits, at the time one of only three cadets to accomplish that feat (Robert E. Lee was one of the other two). So looking at it from that angle Trump is left in the shade again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:50:14pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

MacArthur wasn’t the type to stray, though he did live in the Waldorf-Astoria after leaving the Army. The suite he and his wife shared (and that she continued to stay in until she died a few years ago) was on the floor right below the suite occupied by Herbert Hoover, the man who had made MacArthur Army Chief of Staff.

A more relevant comparison is that while Donald Trump did somewhat well in a military-style high school, Douglas MacArthur graduated from West Point with no demerits, at the time one of only three cadets to accomplish that feat (Robert E. Lee was one of the other two). So looking at it from that angle Trump is left in the shade again.

I didn’t know that about MacArthur. So who was the third?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:51:46pm
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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:52:34pm

re: #347 Barefoot Grin

Also, much of the Pacific Theater was won by others in places like Midway, right?

Yes, but that shouldn’t be held against MacArthur. He knew as well as anyone that the one critical task of the Pacific Theater he could not take the lead on was the elimination of the Imperial Japanese Navy, and he accepted this. But at the same time, he was correct in believing that his Return to the Philippines on Leyte in October of 1944 would prompt the IJN to give battle and thus hand the uSN the chance to finish the Japanese off. So it proved when the USN triumphed in the 4-part Battle of Leyte Gulf, but it was a narrow run thing.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:53:05pm

re: #352 Big Beautiful Door

I didn’t know that about MacArthur. So who was the third?

I honestly don’t know, let me check.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:54:26pm

re: #353 Timothy Watson

Three?? Damn.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:55:41pm

re: #353 Timothy Watson

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Crap. Not too far.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 7:57:00pm

I may have been wrong about MacArthur at West Point, but a man named Charles Mason did graduate there with no demerits.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:00:27pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

No, but his aggression was something America needed at the time.

Until it wasn’t.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:03:32pm

re: #341 Targetpractice

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I retweeted it. dgaf

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:05:06pm

re: #359 Stanley Sea

Until it wasn’t.

That’s why they’re called soldiers, must be put under civilian control, and civilians must understand that the purpose of a soldier is to be the last one standing.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:05:09pm

Kevin Drum over at Mother Jones is basically saying it’s lights our for Bernie:

Did Bernie really lose 30 points of support in the past two weeks? That’s what the polls seem to show. But why? And how did the press not pick up on this? Most of the coverage I’ve seen has suggested that, sure, Hillary is going to win, but she’s really being pressed in the black community and Bernie could do better than expected. But according to the exit polls, she ended up winning 84 percent of the black vote. And perhaps even more worryingly for Bernie, she even crushed him among voters who agree that our economic system favors the wealthy. That’s his wheelhouse, and he won only 30 percent of their vote.

We’ll know more after Tuesday, but this doesn’t look good for Sanders. If Hillary racks up a big win on Super Tuesday, she’ll be so far ahead in the delegate count she’ll be almost mathematically unbeatable. At that point, it will be pretty hard for him to justify staying in the race.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:05:16pm

re: #359 Stanley Sea

Until it wasn’t.

Yes, but that’s always true. During war some individuals who would never get far in the peacetime military may rise to great heights. British Admiral David Beatty was another such man.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:06:05pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:06:25pm

re: #315 FormerDirtDart

All Day Joe

Won’t it be a medical issue if Trump gets serviced for more than 4 hours continuously?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:07:21pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

MacArthur wasn’t the type to stray, though he did live in the Waldorf-Astoria after leaving the Army. The suite he and his wife shared (and that she continued to stay in until she died a few years ago) was on the floor right below the suite occupied by Herbert Hoover, the man who had made MacArthur Army Chief of Staff.

A more relevant comparison is that while Donald Trump did somewhat well in a military-style high school, Douglas MacArthur graduated from West Point with no demerits, at the time one of only three cadets to accomplish that feat (Robert E. Lee was one of the other two). So looking at it from that angle Trump is left in the shade again.

Do you know this off the top of your head? If so, you have spent some time studying military things.

And oh no LGF, this is not an invite to pile up on Dark. (see his new avatar & appreciate his perseverance)

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:07:42pm

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

WTF if true?

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:08:30pm

re: #362 Eric The Fruit Bat

Kevin Drum over at Mother Jones is basically saying it’s lights our for Bernie:

That’s what I’ve been seeing and reading, that unless Bernie pulls some rabbits out of his hand come Tuesday, it may be mathematically impossible for him to overcome her lead. But you’ve still got Bernie supporters convinced that the race is going to go all the way to California, and he’ll finally win the nomination with a big win there.

It’s sort of like watching Rubio supporters trying to convince themselves that he could still win enough delegates to contest the nomination in Cleveland.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:08:32pm

re: #362 Eric The Fruit Bat

Kevin Drum over at Mother Jones is basically saying it’s lights our for Bernie:

This article argues Bernie should stay in the race, though not because he can still win the nomination.

Indeed, Sanders’ campaign can serve as a base for other left-wing efforts to shape the Democratic Party. Now is the time to endorse down ballot candidates, pressure less liberal Democrats, build a policy agenda, and lay a foundation for future candidates. In short, now is the time for Bernie Sanders to construct a Sanders-wing of the Democratic Party that will push and advocate for social democracy.

Politics never ends and this Democratic primary is just one battle. If Sanders loses, it doesn’t mean he has to forfeit the war.

slate.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:09:01pm

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

Tone deaf, as usual

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:09:49pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Looks like the Bernie fans’ talking point is going to be that all the African Americans who voted for Clinton were over 65 years old.

Curious why that matters to them. Sanders is not going to get the majority of the AA vote.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:10:10pm

I’m seeing a lot of naive comments like:

This is why people don’t vote. Clinton’s already the winner, she’s about to give a victory speech, AND NOT A SINGLE VOTE HAS BEEN COUNTED YET.

Way to go media and the DNC. You wonder why people don’t vote when they see this kind of stuff?

It seems to me these are young and new people to politics and elections and have no clue how it works.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:11:16pm

re: #372 Jenner7

I’m seeing a lot of naive comments like:

It seems to me these are young and new people to politics and elections and have no clue how it works.

It’s sort of hilarious, the people most apt to want instant gratification whining the loudest that the media called the race before the votes have all been counted.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:11:37pm

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but that shouldn’t be held against MacArthur. He knew as well as anyone that the one critical task of the Pacific Theater he could not take the lead on was the elimination of the Imperial Japanese Navy, and he accepted this. But at the same time, he was correct in believing that his Return to the Philippines on Leyte in October of 1944 would prompt the IJN to give battle and thus hand the uSN the chance to finish the Japanese off. So it proved when the USN triumphed in the 4-part Battle of Leyte Gulf, but it was a narrow run thing.

Good point. I’m a military historian like I am a culinary artist, so I’ll also concede while making hamburgers. I still think his role in WWII was more mop-up artist. But we were lucky to have a MacArthur to take on the role of SCAP in Japan. His analogue in Korea, Hodge, completely fucked up.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:14:46pm

re: #373 Targetpractice

It’s sort of hilarious, the people most apt to want instant gratification whining the loudest that the media called the race before the votes have all been counted.

They ought to get verbally backhanded as Megyn Kelly did to Karl Rove and then schooled on how networks handle calling elections.

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mmmirele  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:14:51pm

I completed a crocheted top today. It’s made out of a DK/sport weight cotton/linen yarn. I made a number of modifications to it, such as making the shoulders wider, and the armholes and neckhole smaller. (I wanted to wear this to work and in its original configuration, I would have been worrying about underwear showing all day long.) I thought it was pretty clever the way I went in and crocheted three rows of fill-in shells in the armholes before attaching the sleeves. But I’m finally glad I found a use for the 10 skeins of cotton/linen yarn I bought on sale years ago.

Crocheted top in shell stitch pattern
Closeup of the neck
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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:15:02pm
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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:15:26pm
‘Unicorn’ leads CHP officers on a nearly four-hour chase

“Initially he thought it might be somebody out there on drugs, seeing things,” said CHP spokesman Josh McConnell. “It was a little unreal to hear calls of a unicorn running around on the roadway.” […]

“The unicorn is in custody,” Boos heard on the police radio. As soon as she heard that, she called to tell her 5-and-a-half-year-old daughter, who rides Juliet. Her daughter, Tatum, had been frantic when Juliet ran away, she said. […]

Quick, someone say something clever about the sandbaggers,

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:16:52pm

re: #377 Stanley Sea

Damn. I googled her name and saw that photo & date, but figured it had to have been last February. Sad that it’s true.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:17:11pm

re: #377 Stanley Sea

That’s terrible. Damn.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:17:29pm

It’s only two primaries, for sure, but the other thing tonight’s primary does is end the “Sanders is leading in the popular vote” theme from the end of Nevada: en.wikipedia.org.

I’m also trying to figure out how to turn this idea into a Daily Kos diary: Real people voted in the primaries and caucuses. People need to watch getting so invested in a theory, such as the Democratic party being owned by Wall Street, that they fail to see that people actually voted.

I’m just a bit too tired to string out long thoughts. I’m in the Rick Perry part of the evening: I can think of two examples, but can’t come up with a third.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:17:39pm

re: #376 mmmirele

I completed a crocheted top today. It’s made out of a DK/sport weight cotton/linen yarn. I made a number of modifications to it, such as making the shoulders wider, and the armholes and neckhole smaller. (I wanted to wear this to work and in its original configuration, I would have been worrying about underwear showing all day long.) I thought it was pretty clever the way I went in and crocheted three rows of fill-in shells in the armholes. But I’m finally glad I found a use for the 10 skeins of cotton/linen yarn I bought on sale years ago.

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Very beautiful. Do you have a website? Etsy? or is this just for you?

lol with screen colors, I can’t tell if it’s gold or blue…..

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:18:27pm

re: #377 Stanley Sea

Oh crap.

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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:18:34pm

re: #346 Targetpractice

LGF term for the Bernie supporters who act effectively like Tea Partiers.

I always thought it derived from when Firedog Lake people went nuts against Obama and were known as Firebaggers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:19:37pm

re: #377 Stanley Sea

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Well that is depressing.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:20:43pm

re: #384 BeachDem

I always thought it derived from when Firedog Lake people went nuts against Obama and were known as Firebaggers.

It prolly is, the ‘fire’ part being replaced with sand(ders).

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:22:39pm

re: #386 CuriousLurker

It prolly is, the ‘fire’ part being replaced with sand(ders).

Yeah, it’s the same thought process, Firebaggers were those “true progressives” who demanded in the same fashion that Tea Partiers did that anybody they supported be “pure.” Many of them have now become Sandbaggers because they believe that Bernie is that “pure” progressive candidate they’ve been waiting for.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:24:08pm

re: #381 Belafon

Real people voted in the primaries and caucuses. People need to watch getting so invested in a theory, such as the Democratic party being owned by Wall Street, that they fail to see that people actually voted.

MP3 Audio

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:24:20pm

re: #387 Targetpractice

Yeah, it’s the same thought process, Firebaggers were those “true progressives” who demanded in the same fashion that Tea Partiers did that anybody they supported be “pure.” Many of them have now become Sandbaggers because they believe that Bernie is that “pure” progressive candidate they’ve been waiting for.

I just call such people “The ‘PURITY NOW!’ Crowd”.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:24:27pm

well, I’m outta here. Have a good evening one and all. I may just go and hit a bucket or two of golf balls tomorrow. Weather should be upper 60’s here, so it will feel good to get out and hit a few.

RBS

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:24:57pm

re: #377 Stanley Sea

Goddammit. Domestic violence call. Another one for the American Blood God.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:26:40pm

re: #388 freetoken

Ha!

I told you I was tired.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:28:20pm

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but that shouldn’t be held against MacArthur. He knew as well as anyone that the one critical task of the Pacific Theater he could not take the lead on was the elimination of the Imperial Japanese Navy, and he accepted this. But at the same time, he was correct in believing that his Return to the Philippines on Leyte in October of 1944 would prompt the IJN to give battle and thus hand the uSN the chance to finish the Japanese off. So it proved when the USN triumphed in the 4-part Battle of Leyte Gulf, but it was a narrow run thing.

I take Mac with a huge grain of salt due to his endless self-promotion, lying via press release, and scapegoating of subordinates for his own failures. A couple of sites that did day-by-day of the PTO over the past five years gave Mac some attention in terms of his various screw-ups. And I haven’t found a decent biography of him yet - _American Caeser_ is not an example of one.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:28:54pm

re: #384 BeachDem

I always thought it derived from when Firedog Lake people went nuts against Obama and were known as Firebaggers.

I think it’s the other way around. Weren’t firebaggers named after the teabaggers? I think the firebaggers were known as PUMAs (party unity my ass) during the first Obama election.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:29:39pm

re: #391 Pawn of the Oppressor

Goddammit. Domestic violence call. Another one for the American Blood God.

She has Watered that Goddamn Tree of Liberty.

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:29:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:31:39pm
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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:32:32pm

Good grief, the lengths some people go to rationalize butthurt.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:32:33pm

Dark_Falcon, love your new avi!

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:32:46pm

So I’m getting ready to go lie down and read, but if anyone’s interested there’s a new book about slavery that looks at its history from a different perspective and it’s on sale right now for $3.99. I grabbed it as it was on my Kindle wish list, but I prolly won’t get to reading it for months:

The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry

The American Slave Coast tells the horrific story of how the slavery business in the United States made the reproductive labor of “breeding women” essential to the expansion of the nation. The book shows how slaves’ children, and their children’s children, were human savings accounts that were the basis of money and credit. This was so deeply embedded in the economy of the slave states that it could only be decommissioned by Emancipation, achieved through the bloodiest war in the history of the United States. The American Slave Coast is an alternative history of the United States that presents the slavery business, as well as familiar historical figures and events, in a revealing new light.

G’nite, lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:33:56pm

What’s always pissed me off about the firebagger wing is that they think they are the only voice in the party. To the point were as TP has already established, anyone else is made out to be a sell out or a corporatist. it’s really off putting frankly. And frankly the people who I see espouse this shit the most are the people who least negatively impacted by right wing policies.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:34:09pm

Took a long walk this afternoon. Was scouting off the usual paths I use in Fairmount Park and ended up over by the entrance of the Philadelphia Zoo. (Which, oddly, I have not visited yet.) My new Fitbit* says I put in about 7 miles of walking today.

Was also trying some settings variations with the camera by the dam on the Schuylkill trying to get good pictures of seagulls flying about. Now I have 40+ pictures of seagulls to sort through. O_o

Here’s the first “art” photo of the set since a Canada goose was gracious enough to pose for me at close range.

* - Company is doing a wellness campaign and I was able to get a Fitbit Flex gratis to use. So I’m tracking steps, activity, etc., which I have wanted to do anyways.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:34:33pm

re: #398 jaunte

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Good grief, the lengths some people go to rationalize butthurt.

Can they name a single way Hillary will “harm” them?

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:35:10pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Apparently we will have corporations.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:35:23pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Can they name a single way Hillary will “harm” them?

SHE’LL GIVE THEM BUTTHURT!!1!!1!1!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:35:53pm

re: #404 jaunte

Apparently we will have corporations.

Oh no.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:36:38pm

re: #398 jaunte

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Good grief, the lengths some people go to rationalize butthurt.

I bet she thinks she’s smart. :^P

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:36:52pm

re: #398 jaunte

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Good grief, the lengths some people go to rationalize butthurt.

No shit, trying to argue Hillary would be worse than Trump in order to justify allowing him to win. Going to write in Bernie’s name and…then what? Kneecap the party entirely by voting third party or other write-ins down the ticket? I’ve tried to rationalize the man’s part in the race as a good thing because he’s helped moved the Overton Window, but it seems his supporters think that the party isn’t helped unless they jam a blade firmly in its back as retribution for his failure.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:37:15pm

re: #404 jaunte

Apparently we will have corporations.

I hear there’s a cream for that.

//

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:38:51pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:38:54pm

re: #398 jaunte

So these enthusiasts want to fight a two front war against both the GOP and the oligarchy simultaneously? This is a recipe for disaster.

The GOP will kill us all a hell of lot faster than the oligarchy will, so perhaps we should wait on the oligarchy issue until the GOP is not such a clear and present danger.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:39:12pm

re: #408 Targetpractice

No shit, trying to argue Hillary would be worse than Trump in order to justify allowing him to win. Going to write in Bernie’s name and…then what? Kneecap the party entirely by voting third party or other write-ins down the ticket? I’ve tried to rationalize the man’s part in the race as a good thing because he’s helped moved the Overton Window, but it seems his supporters think that the party isn’t helped unless they jam a blade firmly in its back as retribution for his failure.

Yep, they were the same way 16 years ago. There was no difference between the Dems and Reps they said. They were both the same corporate party they said. So they voted for Nader, and we got eight years of Dubya.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:40:09pm

re: #412 Big Beautiful Door

Yep, they were the same way 16 years ago. There was no difference between the Dems and Reps they said. They were both the same corporate party they said. So they voted for Nader, and we got eight years of Dubya.

And they were the ones that screamed the loudest when Bush showed how different he was from Gore. I have no patience for them. None.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:41:10pm

re: #400 CuriousLurker

The economy of many colonies and of the early US relied on slave labor.

Relatively few (compared to South America) slaves made it to the 13 colonies or the US, but the population of slaves grew by breeding.

That’s why, on all those TV shows which are modeled on “Maury”, when an African American takes a DNA test they end up with American cousins who distinctly think of themselves as “white”.

All of us with colonial American ancestry probably have very many African American cousins 3rd through 10th or so.

The use of slave labor on Caribbean islands also required quite a bit of breeding… and descendants have also migrated north.

So yes, it’s not something about which the average American probably spends much time pondering.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:41:39pm

re: #412 Big Beautiful Door

Yep, they were the same way 16 years ago. There was no difference between the Dems and Reps they said. They were both the same corporate party they said. So they voted for Nader, and we got eight years of Dubya.

The “PURITY NOW!” bullshit is why the best we can hope for is to retake the Senate, because the House is gone for at least another 4 years.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:42:28pm

re: #415 Targetpractice

The “PURITY NOW!” bullshit is why the best we can hope for is to retake the Senate, because the House is going for at least another 4 years.

With the gerrymandering maybe another 16+ actually.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:42:33pm

If you watch Dr. Gates’ Finding Your Roots, you will see many African American males who have European Y chromosomes.

Including Dr. Gates.

And that tells the story all by itself.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:43:07pm

re: #411 EPR-radar

So these enthusiasts want to fight a two front war against both the GOP and the oligarchy simultaneously? This is a recipe for disaster.

The GOP will kill us all a hell of lot faster than the oligarchy will, so perhaps we should wait on the oligarchy issue until the GOP is not such a clear and present danger.

And I’m trying to figure out how Clinton = Oligarchy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:43:16pm

re: #414 freetoken

The economy of many colonies and of the early US relied on slave labor.

Relatively (compared to South America) slaves made it to the 13 colonies or the US, but the population of slaves grew by breeding.

That’s why, on all those TV shows which are modeled on “Maury”, when an African American takes a DNA test they end up with American cousins who distinctly think of themselves as “white”.

All of us with colonial American ancestry probably have very many African American cousins 3rd through 10th or so.

The use of slave labor on Caribbean islands also required quite a bit of breeding… and descendants have also migrated north.

So yes, it’s not something about which the average American probably spends much time pondering.

On that note, I think I remember hearing that Obama may have had some distant African-American ancestors on his mother’s side which makes sense given he has colonial American ancestry.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:43:21pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:43:23pm

re: #412 Big Beautiful Door

Yep, they were the same way 16 years ago. There was no difference between the Dems and Reps they said. They were both the same corporate party they said. So they voted for Nader, and we got eight years of Dubya.

Big business interests have far too much influence and power in the Democratic party, IMO.

However, the two parties are not even close to being the same, even on economic issues. On social issues and identity issues the two parties differ dramatically.

So anyone who seriously says the two parties are the same is being an idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:43:53pm

A lot of African-Americans and Southern white Americans have Native-American heritage too.

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No Depression  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:43:56pm

Just when I thought Sandbaggers couldn’t get any more insufferable, I stumble upon this:

Meet the Users of ‘Bernie Singles,’ the Dating Site for Bernie Sanders Supporters

Let’s hear it from a member!

Jocelyn says that obviously one would want to hang out and potentially partner with someone who also appreciates such traits. For her, Sanders supporters tend to be “compassionate yay-sayers … people who give a damn about other humans and the planet, and value honesty.”

She adds, “The last guy I went out with was also an enthusiastic Bernie supporter. We met offline. It didn’t work out between us for the long run, but he is one of the nicest people I know. ‘Does Feel or Does not Feel the Bern’ is one of the most effective filters I know to sift through a whole lot of humans and find a lot of decent ones. It’s shorthand for ‘empathetic, honest person, concerned with the future of the world.’”

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:44:22pm

re: #416 Feline Fearless Leader

With the gerrymandering maybe another 16+ actually.

Ayep. The Sandbaggers are so out of touch with reality, they think revolution will just trickle down. Bernie gets elected, leading to protest elections which will wipe out all of his opposition in Congress so he can pass all the legislation he likes. And the same wave of revolution will then move to the states and turn them into socialist paradises.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:45:31pm

Deleted.

Tweet I posted was 86ed.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:45:32pm

re: #417 freetoken

If you watch Dr. Gates’ Finding Your Roots, you will see many African American males who have European Y chromosomes.

Including Dr. Gates.

And that tells the story all by itself.

What I read is how rape shaped out population.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:45:52pm

There’s no such as a “pure race.” Hell my results indicated that I have some extremely distant Middle Eastern and Central Asian traces in my DNA. I have no idea from which parent or where or when but I have no doubt that I have some ancestors that came from Asia as recently as 1000 years ago or even closer. I’m not “proud” to be white. I’m a European-American with roots in many countries. The roots I do know about I do have pride in the culture but not a “Hey I’m better than you because I’m X and you’re Y.”

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:46:14pm

re: #422 HappyWarrior

A lot of African-Americans and Southern white Americans have Native-American heritage too.

I suspect fewer, though, than their family stories project.

Claiming “Indian” ancestors was a way for someone to “pass” who looked mostly white but had features that didn’t look northern European.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:47:01pm

re: #418 Belafon

And I’m trying to figure out how Clinton = Oligarchy.

Well, you know, speeches to Goldman Sachs and all that. If she’d release the transcripts, her speeches would reveal her pledge of fidelity to her corporate overlords./

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:47:25pm

re: #423 No Depression

Just when I thought Sandbaggers couldn’t get any more insufferable, I stumble upon this:

Meet the Users of ‘Bernie Singles,’ the Dating Site for Bernie Sanders Supporters

Let’s hear it from a member!

You know what, I mocked Conserveopedia and Reaganbook, and I’ll mock this as well. This is fuckin’ stupid. The idea of a whole dating site based off support for a presidential candidate is creepy and stupid.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:47:34pm

re: #423 No Depression

It didn’t work out between us for the long run

There were things about him I just couldn’t put up with.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:49:24pm

re: #428 freetoken

I suspect fewer, though, than their family stories project.

Claiming “Indian” ancestors was a way for someone to “pass” who looked mostly white but had features that didn’t look northern European.

Definitely. Really for much of American history, Northern European in particular Northern European Protestant was the only really accepted group.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:49:54pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

You know what, I mocked Conserveopedia and Reaganbook, and I’ll mock this as well. This is fuckin’ stupid. The idea of a whole dating site based off support for a presidential candidate is creepy and stupid.

Didn’t the Fonz go to an Adlai Stevenson rally to pick up chics?

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:50:18pm

Goin’ for the jugular.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:50:27pm

I mean lest we forget that it still was a big deal when the Catholic Kennedy sought the presidency only 56 years ago. We honestly still in many ways live in a very Anglo-centric country that favors White Protestants of Western/Northern European descent.

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:50:31pm

re: #416 Feline Fearless Leader

With the gerrymandering maybe another 16+ actually.

GOP gerrymanders should not be assumed to be invulnerable. In fact a black swan event like Trump as the GOP nominee is exactly the kind of thing that might put some of those gerrymandered seats in play.

I’m absolutely sure that Hillary Clinton will have people look into this, if she is the nominee, and it would be in character for her to put both money and time into winnable House races.

Sanders does not appear to think along these lines.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:50:52pm

re: #433 Big Beautiful Door

Didn’t the Fonz go to an Adlai Stevenson rally to pick up chics?

Heh I dunno.

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b.d.  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:51:36pm

re: #423 No Depression

Just when I thought Sandbaggers couldn’t get any more insufferable, I stumble upon this:

Meet the Users of ‘Bernie Singles,’ the Dating Site for Bernie Sanders Supporters

Let’s hear it from a member!

Last thing I want after a blind date is to feel the burn.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:52:49pm

re: #431 stpaulbear

There were things about him I just couldn’t put up with.

“He kept on calling me Bernie when we made out.” Heh just teasing. I’m sure these are nice people but I’m sorry but a dating site based off your presidential preference just weirds me out. I really don’t like isolated dating websites anyhow. And full disclosure, I have used an Asperger’s dating website and it was one of the most weird experiences I’ve ever had but that one I do understand given communication.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:54:42pm

re: #434 teleskiguy

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Goin’ for the jugular.

CCJ will be confused. This is his schtick but he’s also a racist fuckwad too so what’s a Cruzaholic to do?

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:55:14pm

re: #436 EPR-radar

GOP gerrymanders should not be assumed to be invulnerable. In fact a black swan event like Trump as the GOP nominee is exactly the kind of thing that might put some of those gerrymandered seats in play.

I’m absolutely sure that Hillary Clinton will have people look into this, if she is the nominee, and it would be in character for her to put both money and time into winnable House races.

Sanders does not appear to think along these lines.

Honestly, I think that’s because Bernie really does view his “revolution” as being about him. You go through his history and you find again and again that the man views everybody who is not on the exact same wavelength as him as an enemy. And he’s made it clear that he doesn’t it as his job to campaign for other progressive candidates, going so far as to threaten the end of an interview in order to avoid answering why he wouldn’t support other progressive candidates. I would not be surprised if, after it becomes mathematically impossible for him to win the nomination, he goes totally scorched earth on the DNC.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:55:21pm
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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:57:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:57:50pm

re: #441 Targetpractice

Honestly, I think that’s because Bernie really does view his “revolution” as being about him. You go through his history and you find again and again that the man views everybody who is not on the exact same wavelength as him as an enemy. And he’s made it clear that he doesn’t it as his job to campaign for other progressive candidates, going so far as to threaten the end of an interview in order to avoid answering why he wouldn’t support other progressive candidates. I would not be surprised if, after it becomes mathematically impossible for him to win the nomination, he goes totally scorched earth on the DNC.

I hope not. I think the best to hope for is that Clinton wins a convincing victory so they can’t claim foul. That is one of my biggest problems with him however though. I am really bothered by the fact he won’t campaign for other candidates. That doesn’t show leadership to me and I think you or someone else pointed out that he raised seven million bucks in a re-election he won easily.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:58:29pm

re: #442 jaunte

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Kid’s eyes say it all.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:58:39pm

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Heh I dunno.

Episode 15 of Season 2. Richie was working for Adlai because a girl he liked was. Fonz liked Ike, but I think he ended up “consoling” a girl crushed because Adlai lost, if I remember the episode correctly.

en.wikipedia.org

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:58:51pm

The gay stuff starts about two minutes in.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 8:59:57pm

re: #446 Big Beautiful Door

Episode 15 of Season 2. Richie was working for Adlai because a girl he liked was. Fonz liked Ike, but I think he ended up “consoling” a girl crushed because Adlai lost, if I remember the episode correctly.

en.wikipedia.org

Aha. I think Adlai would have been a decent President but Ike was quite alright especially for that time. Surprised Trump hasn’t in his infinite arrogance compared his lack of elected experience to Eisenhower yet.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:00:42pm

re: #443 freetoken

What. The. Fuck?!?
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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:03:07pm

re: #444 HappyWarrior

I hope not. I think the best to hope for is that Clinton wins a convincing victory so they can’t claim foul. That is one of my biggest problems with him however though. I am really bothered by the fact he won’t campaign for other candidates. That doesn’t show leadership to me and I think you or someone else pointed out that he raised seven million bucks in a re-election he won easily.

Hillary’s been raising money for the party for months, money that will help down ticket races in vulnerable states where the DNC could make gains not only in the Senate, but potentially in the House.

Bernie’s response so far from inquiries has been (paraphrased) “we’ll see about it once we win the nomination.” He doesn’t seem to consider it his job to worry about anybody but himself.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:04:20pm

re: #449 teleskiguy

It was their attempt to provide an example of how Googling a person’s name can bring up all sorts of spurious results.

They are trying to poison the well of “googling”, after Rubio made a big deal of googling Trump and Polish workers.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:04:32pm

re: #443 freetoken

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They just want a reality TV show.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:04:48pm

re: #444 HappyWarrior

I hope not. I think the best to hope for is that Clinton wins a convincing victory so they can’t claim foul. That is one of my biggest problems with him however though. I am really bothered by the fact he won’t campaign for other candidates. That doesn’t show leadership to me and I think you or someone else pointed out that he raised seven million bucks in a re-election he won easily.

That is one of the reasons I’m supporting Clinton. If a single person could change everything, Obama’s victory plus 60 seats in the Senate should have changed things. Instead, everything was fought for tooth and nail.

As for Sanders supporters, I’m going to call their statements idiotic, but not get too much into the why of those statements. Most Sanders supporters are going to vote for the Democrat. It’s the fact that there’s so little difference between the candidates that makes every perceived slight seem so far out of proportion to the actual event.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:05:20pm

re: #450 Targetpractice

Hillary’s been raising money for the party for months, money that will help down ticket races in vulnerable states where the DNC could make gains not only in the Senate, but potentially in the House.

Bernie’s response so far from inquiries has been (paraphrased) “we’ll see about it once we win the nomination.” He doesn’t seem to consider it his job to worry about anybody but himself.

Exactly and Bernie and his supporters seem oblivious to why those elected officials have been gravitating her way. I don’t know if it’s a purity thing with Bernie or just not understanding that being President is about more than just him but it really makes me question his leadership skills. Bernie wants to re-create the magic that Obama had in 2008 without working with other Democrats to accomplish that. He just wants to be purer than everyone else and it’s not going to work. For that reason alone, I’m glad that Clinton’s about to get in good position on Tuesday.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:05:39pm

Night all.

I’m going to go deep into the Dominick Dunne OJ trial reporting.

Sweet dreams……………………….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:06:07pm

re: #453 Belafon

I’m going to go

That is one of the reasons I’m supporting Clinton. If a single person could change everything, Obama’s victory plus 60 seats in the Senate should have changed things. Instead, everything was fought for tooth and nail.

As for Sanders supporters, I’m going to call their statements idiotic, but not get too much into the why of those statements. Most Sanders supporters are going to vote for the Democrat. It’s the fact that there’s so little difference between the candidates that makes every perceived slight seem so far out of proportion to the actual event.

Right on.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:06:32pm

re: #448 HappyWarrior

Aha. I think Adlai would have been a decent President but Ike was quite alright especially for that time. Surprised Trump hasn’t in his infinite arrogance compared his lack of elected experience to Eisenhower yet.

All Ike had experience in was being Supreme Allied Commander. Just like Trump and his business empire!/

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:08:46pm

GOOGLE IT!


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