The Latest Idea From the National Review Brain Trust: Stop Hillary by Impeaching Her Now

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Here’s today’s measure of the derangement that has the conservative movement in a death grip, as National Review “intellectual” Andrew McCarthy tries to argue that Hillary Clinton should be impeached before she’s even elected.

The Constitution does not limit impeachment to incumbent officials. Article I endows the House of Representatives with the “sole Power of Impeachment” — i.e., the power to file articles of impeachment. It further empowers the Senate with “the sole Power to try all Impeachments.” Significantly, in prescribing the standard for conviction in the Senate, Article I, Section 3 states that “no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present” (emphasis added).

Note carefully: The Constitution does not say the impeached person must be a current officeholder. As we shall see, that makes perfect sense: The point of impeachment is to deny power to any person — not necessarily an incumbent official — whose high crimes and misdemeanors have demonstrated unfitness for a high public trust.

One thing conservatives are great at: coming up with hare-brained schemes to nullify the voters of the Democratic Party. With Barack Obama they tried to do it by spreading conspiracy theories that he wasn’t even a US citizen. But this new concept of impeaching the Democratic nominee before she’s even elected — well, that wins our Right Wing Derangement Prize of the Day.

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:14:13pm

I wonder why they don’t suggest doing that to Trump? Didn’t they put out an entire issue dedicated to showing why he is unfit for the job?

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:16:00pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

I wonder why they don’t suggest doing that to Trump? Didn’t they put out an entire issue dedicated to showing why he is unfit for the job?

This is part of their pivot to the general election.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:18:05pm

Since he knows the Senate wouldn’t come close to enough votes to convict Hillary, the clear purpose of implementing his proposal would be to generate a mountain of negative publicity for her leading up to the election.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:18:14pm
The point of impeachment is to deny power to any person — not necessarily an incumbent official — whose high crimes and misdemeanors have demonstrated unfitness for a high public trust.

They’ve fallen so far down the rabbit hole of “All Democrats are corrupt criminals!!” that they can’t see daylight any more. Nobody but Republicans can be allowed to rule. Ever. Because reasons.

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austin_blue  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:18:26pm

re: #2 lawhawk

This is part of their pivot to the general election.

Is that a pivot or is that just water swirling around the drain?

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Lidane  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:18:37pm

Because the goal here is for the GOP to look like the Party of Stupid, right?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:18:45pm

Wow. That’s just…wow.

But it’s like I say anytime a wingnut says, “Why hasn’t Obama been impeached?”: On what charge, and based on what evidence.

And BENGHAZII!!! doesn’t count as a criminal charge.

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TedStriker  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:18:51pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

I wonder why they don’t suggest doing that to Trump? Didn’t they put out an entire issue dedicated to showing why he is unfit for the job?

Because Trump’s their guy now, they have no choice but to basically suck his Atomic Cheeto dick, along with the rest of the conservatwit media, all the way to the general.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:21:00pm

re: #3 Big Beautiful Door

Since he knows the Senate wouldn’t come close to enough votes to convict Hillary, the clear purpose of implementing his proposal would be to generate a mountain of negative publicity for her leading up to the election.

Dear Andrew McCarthy,

Remember the 1998 election, when the Noot told you guys that impeaching Clinton was a surefire way to increase your majorities in the House and Senate? How’d THAT work out for you?

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Lidane  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:21:51pm

Benghazi didn’t work.

The 11 hour interrogation on live TV failed.

No one gives a shit about Hillary’s emails. At worst, she comes across like a clueless grandma about email. That’s not an impeachable offense.

The FBI cleared Hillary of wrongdoing.

Despite her having a cough, which never ever ever happens to people who spend a lot of time on the road talking to people, she’s relatively healthy.

All the GOP has left is impeaching her before she takes office. WOW.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:22:30pm

We can get a head start on the aftermath of next year’s Trump-inspired civil war by trying the NRO for sedition, espionage, conspiracy, and incitement now.

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:25:32pm

re: #2 lawhawk

This is part of their pivot to the general election.

The real reason is they know that a Republican House and Senate wouldn’t impeach Pol Pot if he were the GOP presidential candidate.

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scottslemmons  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:25:47pm

I’m prepared to file Articles of Impeachment against Andrew McCarthy for Unlawful Turkey Boinking.

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:27:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:29:29pm

re: #14 Jenner7

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“Sure, Pam, I’m happy to make this donation! Because you’re my FRIEND, and FRIENDS help FRIENDS, know what I’m sayin’?”

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Kragar  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:29:48pm
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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:31:22pm
The Constitution does not limit impeachment to incumbent officials.

That’s some rather impressive legal gymnastics, since the Constitution also says this:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

-Article II, Section 4.

I’m fairly certain that a plain reading of that bit makes it clear that impeachment can only be invoked for sitting officers/judges. Especially since impeachment does not protect against criminal liability:

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

-Article I, Section 3

Beyond that, there’s the whole problem of them not being able to get 67 votes in the Senate (even assuming they could pass articles of impeachment in the House). All this would do is fire up Democratic voters, turn off independents and moderates, and likely demoralize Republican voters.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:33:23pm

re: #17 KGxvi

That’s some rather impressive legal gymnastics, since the Constitution also says this:

-Article III, Section 4.

I’m fairly certain that a plain reading of that bit makes it clear that impeachment can only be invoked for sitting officers/judges. Especially since impeachment does not protect against criminal liability:

-Article I, Section 3

Beyond that, there’s the whole problem of them not being able to get 67 votes in the Senate (even assuming they could pass articles of impeachment in the House). All this would do is fire up Democratic voters, turn off independents and moderates, and likely demoralize Republican voters.

So win, win, win is what you’re saying….

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dangerman  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:33:55pm

re: #16 Kragar

Thank you to all of our amazing military families, service members, and veterans. #ImWithYou pic.twitter.com

except for muslim families who lost loved ones while serving

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:33:59pm

re: #17 KGxvi

That’s some rather impressive legal gymnastics, since the Constitution also says this:

-Article III, Section 4.

I’m fairly certain that a plain reading of that bit makes it clear that impeachment can only be invoked for sitting officers/judges. Especially since impeachment does not protect against criminal liability:

-Article I, Section 3

Beyond that, there’s the whole problem of them not being able to get 67 votes in the Senate (even assuming they could pass articles of impeachment in the House). All this would do is fire up Democratic voters, turn off independents and moderates, and likely demoralize Republican voters.

It’s especially funny coming from a guy who probably calls himself a Constitutional Originalist. It’s one of the more blatant cases of seeing what he wants to see that I’ve ever observed from somebody who wasn’t a Sovereign Citizen.

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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:34:55pm

re: #18 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So win, win, win is what you’re saying….

I almost ended it with “please don’t throw me in the briar patch” but I don’t know how many people get that reference any more.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:38:07pm

re: #21 KGxvi

I almost ended it with “please don’t throw me in the briar patch” but I don’t know how many people get that reference any more.

That would be sad, if B’rer Rabbit fell down the memory hole.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:39:17pm
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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:40:27pm

re: #22 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That would be sad, if B’rer Rabbit fell down the memory hole.

I only know it because I remember seeing Song of the South before Disney decided not to make it available in the State anymore.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:41:48pm

This kind of behavior by young people is actually something of a tradition in some Amish communities, “Rumspringa.” It is part of the process of exploring whether they want to commit to the community and its lifestyle, or go out into the larger world (though not usually to jail).

Police raid Amish party in Ohio field and arrest 73 people

MILLERSBURG, Ohio (AP) - Authorities in the heart of Ohio’s Amish country say they arrested more than 70 people in a raid at a weekend party in a field that was expected to attract hundreds of Amish youth.

More than 40 officers converged Saturday on the Hardy Township field after concerned parents notified the Holmes County sheriff’s office of a large party expected to attract over 1,000 Amish from Ohio and neighboring states.

Investigators say 73 people, including 35 juveniles, were taken into custody and charged with underage consumption of alcohol.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:42:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:43:27pm

You know, this whole ‘Pre-Impeachment” idea, after what happened the last time they tried impeaching a Clinton, reminds me of Rocky and Bullwinkle -

“Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat!”

“That trick NEVER works!”

“THIS TIME, FOR SURE!!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:43:50pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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It’s probably an improvement over Hannity’s talking.

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Lidane  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:44:16pm

re: #23 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ohio’s top Republican political operatives refuse to help Trump’s campaign: report

The best part about that is that Kasich’s team has nothing to lose. Kasich is term limited and can’t run for re-election in 2018.

They’re just refusing to help Trump out of spite. Haha.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:44:33pm

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

This kind of behavior by young people is actually something of a tradition in some Amish communities, “Rumspringa.” It is part of the process of exploring whether they want to commit to the community and its lifestyle, or go out into the larger world (though not usually to jail).

Police raid Amish party in Ohio field and arrest 73 people

I guess they really put the RUM in Rumspringa!

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Lidane  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:45:07pm

re: #27 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, this whole ‘Pre-Impeachment” idea, after what happened the last time they tried impeaching a Clinton, reminds me of Rocky and Bullwinkle -

“Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat!”

“That trick NEVER works!”

“THIS TIME, FOR SURE!!”

Charlie Brown, Lucy and the Football

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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:45:31pm

re: #27 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, this whole ‘Pre-Impeachment” idea, after what happened the last time they tried impeaching a Clinton, reminds me of Rocky and Bullwinkle -

“Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat!”

“That trick NEVER works!”

“THIS TIME, FOR SURE!!”

Bullwinkle’s Hat Trick- All 4 animals

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:45:31pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

I guess they really put the RUM in Rumspringa!

Now for the ‘spring’ing.

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dangerman  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:47:03pm

to extend the absurd example - what would be the point?

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

indictment trial etc is still on the table - why not just go there?

cant be removed from office you arent holding

the issue of whether the presidency is an “office… under the united states” is far from settled. wait… they’re really going try and interpret this to mean….

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:47:16pm

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

This kind of behavior by young people is actually something of a tradition in some Amish communities, “Rumspringa.” It is part of the process of exploring whether they want to commit to the community and its lifestyle, or go out into the larger world (though not usually to jail).

Police raid Amish party in Ohio field and arrest 73 people

Parents: “OK, kids, go see what the world’s like.”
Kids: “We sure will.”
Parents: “Call the cops before they do anything stupid.”

Reminds me of the beginning of Hotel Transylvania where Dracula sets up the town for his daughter to visit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:50:45pm

re: #32 KGxvi

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:51:07pm

Ha!

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:52:04pm

You can’t make this shit up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2016 • 1:57:18pm

Should Hillary be impeached on grounds of suspicion of tuberculosis?

Keep in mind that these are the clear-headed members of the GOP; the ones who have already resigned themselves to the inevitability that their candidate cannot gain a majority of votes after alienating minorities and women, and are already looking to weakening and de-legitimizing HRC.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:00:13pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:03:54pm

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Should Hillary be impeached on grounds of suspicion of tuberculosis?

Keep in mind that these are the clear-headed members of the GOP; the ones who have already resigned themselves to the inevitability that their candidate cannot gain a majority of votes after alienating minorities and women, and are already looking to weakening and de-legitimizing HRC.

Facts not in evidence, your honor.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:05:45pm

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Should Hillary be impeached on grounds of suspicion of tuberculosis?

Keep in mind that these are the clear-headed members of the GOP; the ones who have already resigned themselves to the inevitability that their candidate cannot gain a majority of votes after alienating minorities and women, and are already looking to weakening and de-legitimizing HRC.

I think they actually want a fucking civil war. I’m not sure what other conclusions can be drawn if the House were to essentially void the election of the POTUS. It would be the actual end of the Republic in her present form if the legislature took to upending election results and replacing them with their own guy.

The goddamned libtards didn’t get the message! WE OWN THE WHITEHOUSE and Hillary fucking Clinton is going to rot in jail before she ever sets foot in it again!!

It would also mean American cities would burn…and I would be cheering them (and joining) in that case. Our democracy would be effectively dead.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:06:54pm

Odd factoid: 1928 was the last time the GOP won a presidential election without Nixon or a Bush on the ticket.
Check it out:

1952: Eisenhower/Nixon
1956: Eisenhower/Nixon
1968: Nixon/Agnew
1972: Nixon/Agnew
1980: Reagan/Bush
1984: Reagan/Bush
1988: Bush/Quayle
2000: Bush/Cheney
2004: Bush/Cheney

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:08:25pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

Odd factoid: 1928 was the last time the GOP won a presidential election without Nixon or a Bush on the ticket.
Check it out:

1952: Eisenhower/Nixon
1956: Eisenhower/Nixon
1968: Nixon/Agnew
1972: Nixon/Agnew
1980: Reagan/Bush
1984: Reagan/Bush
1988: Bush/Quayle
2000: Bush/Cheney
2004: Bush/Cheney

And both names are pretty much radioactive now….

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:12:04pm

re: #44 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And both names are pretty much radioactive now….

For his part, Quayle is actually younger than Trump but has vanished into the mists of history.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:13:45pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

“Sure, Pam, I’m happy to make this donation! Because you’re my FRIEND, and FRIENDS help FRIENDS, know what I’m sayin’?”

But wait—I thought it was a donation to some KS non-profit that went to the wrong address…or something, something.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:14:26pm

The con/grift continues:

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:19:27pm

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

I really kind of thought Quayle should run again last year. It would have been an opportunity to redeem his reputation: He was a laughingstock in the 80s but he would have come off like Winston fucking Churchill compared to the latest GOP primary mob.

Actually, Quayle made one of the most cogent remarks of the 2000 election campaign:
He appeared on he Tonight Show just after his own hopeless primary campaign had ended and Jay Leno asked him why he had given up. The audience laughed but Quayle answered, “We just could not match the Bush money machine.”

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:23:14pm

One m

ore reason (as if you need it) to love Big Papi.

Retiring Red Sox slugger David Ortiz slams Donald Trump on his way out

rawstory.com

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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:24:37pm

re: #46 BeachDem

But wait—I thought it was a donation to some KS non-profit that went to the wrong address…or something, something.

It’s now all over NPR; leading the news and with a major feature. Heh.

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Snarknado!  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:27:26pm

re: #50 retired cynic

It’s now all over NPR; leading the news and with a major feature. Heh.

Better late than never. Sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:29:14pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

Odd factoid: 1928 was the last time the GOP won a presidential election without Nixon or a Bush on the ticket.
Check it out:

1952: Eisenhower/Nixon
1956: Eisenhower/Nixon
1968: Nixon/Agnew
1972: Nixon/Agnew
1980: Reagan/Bush
1984: Reagan/Bush
1988: Bush/Quayle
2000: Bush/Cheney
2004: Bush/Cheney

And I expect that streak to continue. Pretty amazing though. Maybe in 2020, the GOP should run Jenna Bush with one of Tricky Dick’s grandsons.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:30:01pm

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

For his part, Quayle is actually younger than Trump but has vanished into the mists of history.

He briefly considered a run in 2000. My Dad remembers because his manager was really excited about it for some odd reason and my Dad just had to laugh. He said he stopped laughing when W became the GOP standard bearer though and later won twice.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:31:54pm

re: #49 BeachDem

One m

ore reason (as if you need it) to love Big Papi.

Retiring Red Sox slugger David Ortiz slams Donald Trump on his way out

rawstory.com

Okay, I normally don’t like Papi (I’m an Orioles fan okay and Papi’s been a thorn for years) but respect on this. He’s an example of an immigrant making it successful in this country, the exact kind of person that Trump and his hateful base despise. So props to David. Still hope the RS miss out on the playoffs though but props to him for not being a hateful asshole like his former teammate, Schilling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:33:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:34:02pm

Re: The OP topic. NRO can stop acting like they’re the smart ones anyday now. They really are a pathetic excuse for a publication and nowhere near as intellectual as WFB thought they were and as Lowry and Goldberg continue to think. They’re basically Stormfront for right wing assholes who think they’re superior to the less well off bigots because they have degrees, live in nice houses, and can write in English without always using racial slurs.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:36:09pm

Apparently that new CNN poll that had Trump ahead 2 drastically undersampled 18-34 year olds and Democrats. And even with that, Trump still ahead by only 2?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:39:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:40:43pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

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Coughing, clearly she’s deadly ill. Trump relying on a quickly written note by a quack and proclaiming he has the best health of any presidential candidate ever, nah.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:42:21pm
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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:44:14pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting that in his then/now “They had uniforms. We had uniforms” memory, he seems to skip over Vietnam—as Tom Paxton described it:

Every night the local gentry
Slip out past the sleeping sentry
They go to join the old V see
In their nightly little dramas
They put on their black pajamas
And come lobbing mortar shells at me

But then, Trump was fighting his own personal Vietnam at Studio 54.
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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:48:14pm

Report: Trump wasn’t in NYC on 9/11 as he’s claimed, but was in Florida?

The source, who did not want her name used because she feared being targeted by Trump supporters, saw his remarks and offhandedly said to her daughter-in-law: “Well, I know he didn’t see that happening from his window because he wasn’t even in New York. He was in Florida with Neal and Tolly.”

Her friends Neal Travis—founding editor of the New York Post’s Page Six—and his wife, Tolly, were at Trump’s Palm Beach getaway, Mar-a-Lago. The source says she knew this because Neal called her from Florida after the attacks and asked whether there was any information about when planes would be allowed to land in the city again. Neil said, “Here’s Donald; talk to him,” she recalled to me last week. “Then I just heard this brusque voice going, ‘Have you heard anything?’ And I’m thinking, ‘Why are you asking me?’ I told him the same thing: I saw something in the [New York] Times about easing up on plane traffic.”

The article she saw, published online on Sept. 13, 2001, announced that commercial air traffic had resumed that morning “on a case-by-case basis.” If Trump were in Florida on 9/11, Sept. 13 would have been the first day he could have returned to New York. Indeed, the first visual evidence I’ve seen of Trump in New York City post-9/11 was on Sept. 13, 2001. He gave an interview near Ground Zero to a German television station.

Crain’s looked into the source’s claim, but Neil Travis passed away in 2002 and we were unable to reach Tolly, who the source said does not remember the details of that day clearly. We compiled a list of aircraft owned by Trump or his businesses and sent the information to FlightAware. The flight-tracking company told us that none of those planes were in Florida at that time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:51:30pm

Matt Yglesias wrote an article suggesting that emails are more like phone conversations than letters and should be treated like we treat phone calls, and is now getting pummelled on Twitter as Orwellian.

But to me, it makes sense. So much of even my work email is comprised of brief conversations, bits of snark, etc. Sure, we also send each other data and analyses, because it’s easier to do that and present it as a piece than to try and find someone and show them a few sheets of paper, but still. You email what you’d say in a phone call, but with email, you don’t have to worry about whether the person is there and has time to talk, or whether YOU’LL have time to talk when they return your call.

We don’t feel entitled to listen to every phone conversation within a government, and the law similarly won’t give us access to them. So why are we entitled to all the emails?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:54:13pm
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Brian J.  Sep 6, 2016 • 2:57:30pm

re: #50 retired cynic

It’s now all over NPR; leading the news and with a major feature. Heh.

Sadly, the press most people actually read and listen to won’t cover it. They’re in full-on advocacy mode for their white male hero.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:00:17pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:00:47pm

Oh, about that CNN/ORC poll==>

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:00:57pm

Mrs. FBW posted a pic at a local Taco Truck, and captioned it ‘Tacos for Hillary’, which happens to be her name (Hillary, not Tacos), so I can’t tell whether she meant HRC, or herself, or more likely both.

I bet she didn’t get me one.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:01:10pm

re: #44 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And both names are pretty much radioactive now….

Rush Limbaugh pointed out today that Phyllis Schlafly had supported Nixon early in his administration but split with him over the ERA. Of all the evil this woman did, her almost single-handed defeat of the ERA might well be the worst.

Actually, there had been an earlier split: Schlafly first came to national prominence when she led a “revolt” against the civil rights plank of the GOP platform at the 1960 party convention. She reminded the delegates that the GOP had not received a majority of the “negro” vote since 1928, and they were alienating a (then) much larger southern segregationist vote by trying for it. The plank stayed but Nixon and the party did come around to Schlafly’s view in 1968. As such, Schlafly was a very early and crucial instigator of the southern strategy. Like anti-feminism, this remains a bedrock component of the Republican strategy to this day.

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Brian J.  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:01:15pm

re: #14 Jenner7

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Mr. Farenthold deserves our pity, being one of the few journalists who’s actually trying to perform journalism, and who admits when his cases don’t quite pan out. Sadly, the Trumpbart Post is the wrong platform for him, but I’m not sure a right platform exists anymore.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:01:47pm

Another reason to support Hillary. Would this not be cool at the inauguration?
Of course I’m for Hillary Clinton…When she wins by a landslide, I could gather together the Dixie Chicks, Billy Corgan and everybody who’s ever sung a version of “Landslide.”


nytimes.com
Stevie Nicks, y’all. (I can’t believe she’s 68)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:02:08pm

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

Oh, about that CNN/ORC poll==>

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Aw, geez. Let’s not start unskewing! That way, madness lies.

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Brian J.  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:03:14pm

re: #72 Blind Frog Belly White

Aw, geez. Let’s not start unskewing! That way, madness lies.

At this point, madness lies in all directions. CNN clearly intended to give their hero a bump. Time to make it known we’re onto their tricks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:04:04pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Rush Limbaugh pointed out today that Phyllis Schlafly had supported Nixon early in his administration but split with him over the ERA. Of all the evil this woman did, her almost single-handed defeat of the ERA might well be the worst.

Actually, there had been an earlier split: Schlafly first came to national prominence when she led a “revolt” against the civil rights plank of the GOP platform at the 1960 party convention. She reminded the delegates that the GOP had not received a majority of the “negro” vote since 1928, and they were alienating a (then) much larger southern segregationist vote by trying for it. The plank stayed but Nixon and the party did come around to Schlafly’s view in 1968. As such, Schlafly was a very early and crucial instigator of the southern strategy. Like anti-feminism, this remains a bedrock component of the Republican strategy to this day.

Huh. I only new her as a horrible person from the anti-ERA stuff in the 1970s. I didn’t realize she’d been horrible for a long time before that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:05:56pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

The only poll that matters is the one on November 8. In the meantime, we all have to act like it’s a dead heat and work to get Hillary elected.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:06:40pm

Well, fuck me sideways. The GOP “establishment” plans on obstructing and shitting all over the U.S.A. in a fit of petulance and frustrated rage, because their policies are despised by the majority of the electorate, yet they refuse to change them because … um … the geriatric paranoid dumbass base would stop voting for them?

Yeah. But no.

thenib.com



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gocart mozart  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:06:40pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:11:42pm

re: #73 Brian J.

At this point, madness lies in all directions. CNN clearly intended to give their hero a bump. Time to make it known we’re onto their tricks.

I’m loath to ascribe malice. I’m just curious what their LV screen is, and why this sample looks so different from the 2 previous months in party affiliation. It LOOKS LIKE their sample skewed far more Republican than previous months, and the LV screen took voters from Clinton almost exclusively, according to what I’ve read.

Another poll came out to day with Clinton +6 among RV, so there’s also that datapoint.

Overall, it would not be surprising to find the race narrowing considering just how hard the media have been working to find any signs of a pivot from Trump, and how much has been made of nothing on the Clinton Foundation side, with the NYT’s “This raises new questions” from Eric Lichtblau being especially execrable.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:13:59pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

Huh. I only new her as a horrible person from the anti-ERA stuff in the 1970s. I didn’t realize she’d been horrible for a long time before that.

Gay marriage and the alleged danger of unisex restrooms were key talking points for Schlafly’s anti-ERA campaign; over 40 years ago. She was decades ahead of the base in many respects and it is no exaggeration to say that the Republican Party as we know and loathe it today was her creation more than anybody else’s.

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Brian J.  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:14:57pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m loath to ascribe malice. I’m just curious what their LV screen is, and why this sample looks so different from the 2 previous months in party affiliation. It LOOKS LIKE their sample skewed far more Republican than previous months, and the LV screen took voters from Clinton almost exclusively, according to what I’ve read.

Another poll came out to day with Clinton +6 among RV, so there’s also that datapoint.

Overall, it would not be surprising to find the race narrowing considering just how hard the media have been working to find any signs of a pivot from Trump, and how much has been made of nothing on the Clinton Foundation side, with the NYT’s “This raises new questions” from Eric Lichtblau being especially execrable.

Given CNN’s actions in reporting in the last few weeks, such as Tussisologist* Newt Gingrich on this afternoon, along with the other recent actions by the major media, I think we’re at the point where we can no longer ascribe their actions to stupidity. They (and the AP, Fox News, MSNBC, NY Times, etc.) want President Trump to appoint them as the Official Media of his State. Why they haven’t figured out how quickly he tires of his toys I don’t know, but it’s stupidity they demand that we all pay for.

*Tussisology = expect in the field of coughing, from Latin tussis or cough.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:18:44pm

re: #79 Shiplord Kirel

Gay marriage and the alleged danger of unisex restrooms were key talking points for Schlafly’s anti-ERA campaign; over 40 years ago. She was decades ahead of the base in many respects and it is no exaggeration to say that the Republican Party as we know and loathe it today was her creation more than anybody else’s.

Laid out explicitly in this article (also linked on the previous thread):

[…]

“A Choice” was nominally a book in support of Barry Goldwater’s presidential bid. But it was really a broadside against the Republican establishment. In it, she accused “a small group of secret kingmakers” of denying conservatives opportunities in the GOP for thirty years. Party elites, she argued, had used newfangled advertising techniques to manipulate voters into picking the establishment’s preferred candidate. And the goal of all this backroom dealing? To enact their “hidden policy of perpetuating the Red empire in order to perpetuate the high level of Federal spending and control” that would fill their personal coffers.

As the dust-up with National Review showed, it wasn’t just the Republican establishment Schlafly was fighting. She was intent on battling conservatives who sought to “clean up” conservatism by policing the movement’s boundaries. As Buckley and other editors at National Review sought to purge the Birchers after Goldwater’s loss - fearing that the group’s nutty conspiracism was tainting the entire conservative cause - Schlafly continued to support the society. If Buckley was intent on dividing conservatives between “responsibles” and “irresponsibles,” Schlafly was siding with the latter.

If those fissures sound familiar, they should: They’re visible, and widening, […]

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:24:02pm

Thing that make you want to gargle razor blades, part the infinity—
Drudge actually has a “Complete timeline of 2016 coughing fits…”

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:28:54pm

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

This kind of behavior by young people is actually something of a tradition in some Amish communities, “Rumspringa.” It is part of the process of exploring whether they want to commit to the community and its lifestyle, or go out into the larger world (though not usually to jail).

Police raid Amish party in Ohio field and arrest 73 people

Ohio Amish have had a few situations over the years that wouldn’t be considered typical Amish behavior. Several of them have involved alcohol and younger people.

Amish go wild!!!

Oh yeah, Millersburg is like ground zero for the Amish in Ohio. It is a town made for “the English” to visit and get their Amish experience. If you go in about a 60/80 mile radius all around Millersburg on the back roads you will see real Amish farms and small communities…like Shreve. Some areas around there look like the early 1900s. I think I’ve mentioned it before, but Ohio has more Amish folks than Pennsylvania…something explained to me by Mennonites.

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:29:59pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:34:16pm

And Baby Whiplash chimes in with incoherent bullshit==>

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:35:06pm

re: #29 Lidane

The best part about that is that Kasich’s team has nothing to lose. Kasich is term limited and can’t run for re-election in 2018.

They’re just refusing to help Trump out of spite. Haha.

Spite. That is so John Kasich.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:35:57pm

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:36:28pm

I am finding that a simple discussion of the facts of Phyllis Schlafly’s career puts a strain on my “don’t speak ill of the dead” policy.

Even so, the woman was a historical figure, even more significant in my opinion than is commonly realized today. Her influence is everywhere. A stroll through any inner-city neighborhood will reveal the subtle effects of the southern strategy. I, personally, raised two female scientists. The failure of the ERA figured in that process, and not in a positive way.
The real nature and pervasive influence of her activism is a legitimate; indeed, very necessary; subject for discussion.

Given all she has done, the only way to avoid speaking ill of this person would be to assume a false neutrality, or to abandon my own principles.

I understand, and respect, that she was someone’s beloved grandmother (and great grandmother) but that does not give her a pass for the monstrous damage she has done to this society over the last 50 years.

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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:38:05pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

Odd factoid: 1928 was the last time the GOP won a presidential election without Nixon or a Bush on the ticket.
Check it out:

1952: Eisenhower/Nixon
1956: Eisenhower/Nixon
1968: Nixon/Agnew
1972: Nixon/Agnew
1980: Reagan/Bush
1984: Reagan/Bush
1988: Bush/Quayle
2000: Bush/Cheney
2004: Bush/Cheney

I was born in 1978, 2012 was the first (and thus far, only) presidential election in my life time where neither a Bush nor a Clinton ran for president/vice-president.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:38:41pm

re: #71 BeachDem

Another reason to support Hillary. Would this not be cool at the inauguration?
Of course I’m for Hillary Clinton…When she wins by a landslide, I could gather together the Dixie Chicks, Billy Corgan and everybody who’s ever sung a version of “Landslide.”

nytimes.com
Stevie Nicks, y’all. (I can’t believe she’s 68)

Not one damned thang wrong with being 68, or anywhere either side of that.

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William Lewis  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:39:33pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

We can no more not speak ill of her than we can any other one of the evil personalities that shaped the 20th Century. If she had ever had real power, I have no doubt she would have been as deadly as the leaders of the far too many dictatorships of the past 100 years.

She was pure and simply evil and the world is a better place now that she has gone back to her master in hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:41:17pm

re: #77 gocart mozart

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:43:57pm

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:44:25pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not one damned thang wrong with being 68, or anywhere either side of that.

As someone who is 68, I totally agree (just wish I looked as good as Stevie)

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:45:33pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

I am finding that a simple discussion of the facts of Phyllis Schlafly’s career puts a strain on my “don’t speak ill of the dead” policy.

Even so, the woman was a historical figure, even more significant in my opinion than is commonly realized today. Her influence is everywhere. A stroll through any inner-city neighborhood will reveal the subtle effects of the southern strategy. I, personally, raised two female scientists. The failure of the ERA figured in that process, and not in a positive way.
The real nature and pervasive influence of her activism is a legitimate; indeed, very necessary; subject for discussion.

Given all she has done, the only way to avoid speaking ill of this person would be to assume a false neutrality, or to abandon my own principles.

I understand, and respect, that she was someone’s beloved grandmother (and great grandmother) but that does not give her a pass for the monstrous damage she has done to this society over the last 50 years.

Ditto.

She was the topic of my first political argument (that I recall) between my mother and me. Mom said that one should ALWAYS vote for the woman. I asked, ‘Even if it were Phyllis Schlafley?’ Mom said yes. I said, ‘That’s ridiculous. There are plenty of men who are more feminist than she is.’ Mom’s position was that people needed to see women in positions of power. I saw my mom in a position of stupidity. Now I can see her point, but I still disagree, and Mom has only grown more stupid, in my humble and totally disrespectful opinion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 3:51:45pm

re: #94 BeachDem

As someone who is 68, I totally agree (just wish I looked as good as Stevie)

You and me both, sis…
(and if I can’t look as good as her, god (that hateful old fart) could have at least endowed me with the ability to sing half as well as she does…)

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:00:01pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Which will still somehow manage to include more policy detail than an entire Trump speech.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:01:36pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:06:17pm

Reportedly, when asked how he feels about Impeachment, Trump responded that he usually prefers pears.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:07:40pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Reportedly, when asked how he feels about Impeachment, Trump responded that he usually prefers pears.

He does seem impeared at times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:11:16pm

O. M. G.

Federal, state and local authorities are investigating the cause of Saturday’s natural gas pipeline explosion that killed five adults and five children and left two other people in critical condition in southeast New Mexico.

The victims, members of two extended families, were camping early Saturday morning near the Pecos River, about 200 to 300 yards from the below-ground explosion.

The two adult survivors were in critical condition in a Lubbock, Texas hospital.

The 30-inch pipeline exploded around 5:30 a.m. Saturday, and left a crater about 86 feet long, 46 feet wide and 20 feet deep. Police say the resulting fire probably lasted 30 to 40 minutes. It reportedly was visible about 20 miles to the north in Carlsbad, N.M.

Authorities said one end of the ruptured line became a virtual flame-thrower, showering fire on the victims camped beneath a bridge about 200 yards away.

“The evidence out there at the scene indicates it was horrendously hot,” State Police Capt. John Balderston said. “It incinerated everything in its path. If it burned for as long as we think it burned, that explains the extensive damage to the vehicles and to the property and people.

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gocart mozart  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:15:25pm
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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:16:20pm

Trump crushing on Russia right now. But didn’t he say, at his forum, that Russia is on Assad’s side?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:18:54pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

O. M. G.

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Fuck this company:

Could Have Been Anything

Dunn said the explosion could have been touched off by anything — from a spark generated by rocks striking each other, someone lighting a cigarette or coal from a barbecue.

The pipeline supplies gas to power plants in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California, she said. Somerholder said crews were working today to get the line back in service because it is a major supply line.

Somerholder said the line was installed in 1950, but said there did not appear to be any correlation between the age of the pipeline and the explosion.

“Most of our pipelines in this age range are in very good shape,” he said.

Dunn said the line was last checked Aug. 2.

“could have been touched off by anything”???

“rocks striking each other”????

umm…why are they not asking something really obvious like WHY THE FUCK WAS THERE NATURAL GAS LEAKING ENOUGH TO EXPLODE LIKE A FLAMETHROWER????????

The damned pipeline is older than me. There is no fucking way it’s in any kind of “very good shape for its age”.

Sorry for yelling, but jesus christ on a pogo stick…

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:20:56pm

Trump going through FBI report by lying and making shit up.

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:22:23pm

“Who uses 13 phones in 4 years?”

You’re a fucking idiot.

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:22:45pm

“She never talks about policy…”

Jeebus.

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scottslemmons  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:25:41pm

re: #107 Jenner7

“She never talks about policy…”

Jeebus.

Reporters: “Well, he says she never talks about policy. We have no choice but to believe him and to report it as fact. Tell us what other facts we should report, Daddy Trump!”

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:26:06pm

Let it happen.

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:26:41pm

“Is he living?” — The guy who set up Clinton’s server

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:27:29pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Happened 16 years ago. Fuck those who publish without dates.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:29:27pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

O. M. G.

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I think this happened in 2000:
August 19, 2000

(A) 30-inch diameter El Paso Natural Gas pipeline rupture and fire near Carlsbad, New Mexico killed 12 members of an extended family camping over 600 feet (180 m) from the rupture point. The force of the escaping gas created a 51-foot (16 m)-wide crater about 113 feet (34 m) along the pipe. A 49-foot (15 m) section of the pipe was ejected from the crater, in three pieces measuring approximately 3 feet (0.91 m), 20 feet (6.1 m), and 26 feet (7.9 m) in length. The largest piece of pipe was found about 287 feet (87 m) northwest of the crater. The cause of the failure was determined to be severe internal corrosion of that pipeline. On July 26, 2007, a USDOJ Consent Decree was later entered into by the pipeline owner to perform pipeline system upgrades to allow better internal pipeline inspections.

Two of the victims died later, one in Lubbock University Medical Center and the other at the Shriner’s Burn Institute in Galveston.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:30:09pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yup. Happened in 2000. Under Gary Johnson’s watch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:32:18pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel

My bad…
But still…omg…

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darthstar  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:33:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:33:53pm

re: #102 gocart mozart

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That’s funny coming from the transphobic little drama queen.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:34:14pm

re: #107 Jenner7

“She never talks about policy…”

Jeebus.

Projection like an IMAX.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:34:25pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

My bad…
But still…omg…

And I was going to defend Gary Johnson as not having been responsible, really, but his party favors lifting of regulations on private companies, so I’m withholding my defense.

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darthstar  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:34:44pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:34:48pm

re: #103 Jenner7

Trump crushing on Russia right now. But didn’t he say, at his forum, that Russia is on Assad’s side?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:35:15pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

And I was going to defend Gary Johnson as not having been responsible, really, but his party favors lifting of regulations on private companies, so I’m withholding my defense.

It’s exactly that sort of thing that keeps me from seeing the LP as a viable aprty.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:36:13pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fuck this company:

“could have been touched off by anything”???

“rocks striking each other”????

umm…why are they not asking something really obvious like WHY THE FUCK WAS THERE NATURAL GAS LEAKING ENOUGH TO EXPLODE LIKE A FLAMETHROWER????????

The damned pipeline is older than me. There is no fucking way it’s in any kind of “very good shape for its age”.

Sorry for yelling, but jesus christ on a pogo stick…

It was an accident, is what he meant. Nothing to see here. This is fine. Move along….

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:37:31pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel

I think this happened in 2000:
August 19, 2000

Two of the victims died later, one in Lubbock University Medical Center and the other at the Shriner’s Burn Institute in Galveston.

A big fricking hole had rusted through the 50-year-old pipe, rupturing it and and sending a giant jet of high pressure gas spewing over hell and gone. The pressure had to have been down for some time before the major rupture but nobody noticed. I remember this so well because a friend of mine, a doctor who also happens to be a volunteer firefighter, worked the scene. He said most of the victims were literally cremated where they stood, or lay, since some of them were asleep when the blast hit. ID was by dental records, since the heat had destroyed every trace of DNA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:37:53pm

something to keep in mind…

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gocart mozart  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:39:09pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:40:07pm

re: #115 darthstar

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:40:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:40:48pm

re: #125 gocart mozart

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It’s too bad that Rudy got sick in 2000 because otherwise HRC would have ended his relevancy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:41:43pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

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Given the way she threw the UK’s Green Party (largest percentage of voters by party that voted to remain in the EU in the referendum) under the bus when she excused Brexit, I doubt Stein cares.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:42:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:46:01pm

In Cincinnati tonight:

#FuckCancer (I’ll say it because WKRC can’t…)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:47:34pm
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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:49:42pm

Skew/unskew the CNN poll.

The CNN poll is problematic on so many levels, the first being that it’s an outlier on its face - 5-7 points in favor of Trump when all the others show Trump down by 3-5 points. That’s how he ends up with a narrow lead.

So the crosstabs show that CNN’s pollster picked an electorate that is outside what one would consider to be expected in 2016. In fact, it favors Trump because it’s whiter than what other pollsters expect.

I wouldn’t go so far as to claim that the adjusted figures are legit - only that the poll itself is not legit because it’s based on faulty assumptions. It’s the faulty assumptions that drove the results, and trying to rectify those results could introduce other errors/issues.

It’s an outlier. Treat it as such. And watch as all the rest of the polls continue to reinforce a 3-5 point lead for Clinton. Or more. And then the first debate will throw all that out the window.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:51:50pm

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Thanos  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:52:34pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

I am finding that a simple discussion of the facts of Phyllis Schlafly’s career puts a strain on my “don’t speak ill of the dead” policy.

Even so, the woman was a historical figure, even more significant in my opinion than is commonly realized today. Her influence is everywhere. A stroll through any inner-city neighborhood will reveal the subtle effects of the southern strategy. I, personally, raised two female scientists. The failure of the ERA figured in that process, and not in a positive way.
The real nature and pervasive influence of her activism is a legitimate; indeed, very necessary; subject for discussion.

Given all she has done, the only way to avoid speaking ill of this person would be to assume a false neutrality, or to abandon my own principles.

I understand, and respect, that she was someone’s beloved grandmother (and great grandmother) but that does not give her a pass for the monstrous damage she has done to this society over the last 50 years.

1. a day has passed
2. Some people are so bad that you can only state the truth or shut up - so in those instances you are quiet for at least a day.
3. Some people are so intrinsically evil that you can say things about them the day they die. E.G. I had no problem cranking out “the Death of an Evil Man” posts immediately following terrorist deaths. Phyllis was in a grey zone between “bad” and “intrinsically evil”.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:53:25pm

re: #133 lawhawk

Skew/unskew the CNN poll.

The CNN poll is problematic on so many levels, the first being that it’s an outlier on its face - 5-7 points in favor of Trump when all the others show Trump down by 3-5 points. That’s how he ends up with a narrow lead.

So the crosstabs show that CNN’s pollster picked an electorate that is outside what one would consider to be expected in 2016. In fact, it favors Trump because it’s whiter than what other pollsters expect.

I wouldn’t go so far as to claim that the adjusted figures are legit - only that the poll itself is not legit because it’s based on faulty assumptions. It’s the faulty assumptions that drove the results, and trying to rectify those results could introduce other errors/issues.

It’s an outlier. Treat it as such. And watch as all the rest of the polls continue to reinforce a 3-5 point lead for Clinton. Or more. And then the first debate will throw all that out the window.

In fewer words:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:53:35pm

Got an RNC/TRUMP PAC Make America Great Again stupid survey thing in the mail.

There is a postage-paid return envelope.

BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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SteelPH  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:54:30pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Got an RNC/TRUMP PAC Make America Great Again stupid survey thing in the mail.

There is a postage-paid return envelope.

BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You should write that on every page and send it back.

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William Lewis  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:55:17pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

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Thank you. I dropped that in a hot bed of Jillbots - it’ll be interesting to hear the screams of anger at the messenger.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:55:39pm

re: #138 SteelPH

You should write that on every page and send it back.

Oh…I’m not sending the survey back….

BWAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

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scottslemmons  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:55:43pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Got an RNC/TRUMP PAC Make America Great Again stupid survey thing in the mail.

There is a postage-paid return envelope.

BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Tape it to a brick. Or fifty bricks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:58:02pm

Right now I am furiously designing a YUGE check payable in “TrumpBucks”….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 4:59:08pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Got an RNC/TRUMP PAC Make America Great Again stupid survey thing in the mail.

There is a postage-paid return envelope.

BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Yet our mail-in ballots can’t be postage-paid because that would be “buying votes”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:02:43pm

re: #133 lawhawk

Skew/unskew the CNN poll.

The CNN poll is problematic on so many levels, the first being that it’s an outlier on its face - 5-7 points in favor of Trump when all the others show Trump down by 3-5 points. That’s how he ends up with a narrow lead.

So the crosstabs show that CNN’s pollster picked an electorate that is outside what one would consider to be expected in 2016. In fact, it favors Trump because it’s whiter than what other pollsters expect.

I wouldn’t go so far as to claim that the adjusted figures are legit - only that the poll itself is not legit because it’s based on faulty assumptions. It’s the faulty assumptions that drove the results, and trying to rectify those results could introduce other errors/issues.

It’s an outlier. Treat it as such. And watch as all the rest of the polls continue to reinforce a 3-5 point lead for Clinton. Or more. And then the first debate will throw all that out the window.

This poll is an excellent argument for polling compilations, vs individual polls, especially the ones that don’t throw out outliers, because throwing out an outlier assumes you know what the reality being measured is.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:03:08pm

re: #135 Thanos

1. a day has passed
2. Some people are so bad that you can only state the truth or shut up - so in those instances you are quiet for at least a day.
3. Some people are so intrinsically evil that you can say things about them the day they die. E.G. I had no problem cranking out “the Death of an Evil Man” posts immediately following terrorist deaths. Phyllis was in a grey zone between “bad” and “intrinsically evil”.

Phyllis brings to mind this quote from CS Lewis:

Hence Theocracy is the worst of all governments. If we must have a tyrant a robber baron is far better than an inquisitor. The baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point may be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing wrong he may possibly repent. But the inquisitor who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us infinitely more because he torments us with the approval of his own conscience and his better impulses appear to him as temptations.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:03:36pm

I had heard that the poll dramatically underpolled 18-34 year olds and Democratic voters. Meh one poll. Not too worried.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:06:13pm

re: #145 Scottishdragon

Phyllis brings to mind this quote from CS Lewis:

The thing that I don’t get is when people want people not to speak ill of the dead is that in this case the dead was fine with speaking ill of people. I mean this isn’t even Margaret Thatcher, another person whom the attempted whitewashing of their negative legacy bothered me. This is someone who was a racist and sexist and made a career of it. My thoughts go out to her family for their loss but she really was a hateful person and I’m not sorry for saying that the world of politics will be better off without her contribution.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:06:25pm

Yesterday was birthday number 49. We made 80 delicious cheesy meat filled enchiladas. With refried beans on the side. I ate myself sick on them last night, and I am going to do again shortly.

I’ll be smiling the entire time…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:07:11pm

:(

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:07:20pm

Drudge being Drudge:

Who is he? USSS security detail. That’s from when a person tried to rush the stage at an event a few weeks back.

Why is this even an issue? Because Trump and the right wing has gone bugnuts insane and conspiracies and more are all they have left.

And it’s already gone insane - thanks to the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:08:21pm

re: #150 lawhawk

Drudge being Drudge:

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Who is he? USSS security detail. That’s from when a person tried to rush the stage at an event a few weeks back.

Why is this even an issue? Because Trump and the right wing has gone bugnuts insane and conspiracies and more are all they have left.

And it’s already gone insane - thanks to the GOP.

Drudge is a despicable little shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:09:30pm
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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:09:49pm

Thank god for Joy Reid…..

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:10:27pm

re: #148 Scottishdragon

Yesterday was birthday number 49. We made 80 delicious cheesy meat filled enchiladas. With refried beans on the side. I ate myself sick on them last night, and I am going to do again shortly.

I’ll be smiling the entire time…

Happy birthday! And many more (birthdays, not enchiladas)!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:11:30pm

Asshole alert:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:11:35pm

re: #148 Scottishdragon

Yesterday was birthday number 49. We made 80 delicious cheesy meat filled enchiladas. With refried beans on the side. I ate myself sick on them last night, and I am going to do again shortly.

I’ll be smiling the entire time…

Oh noes, Mexican food! Seriously though. Happy belated. That sounds like a delicious birthday dinner.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:11:48pm

re: #148 Scottishdragon

Happy Birthday! And I disagree with WW. Enchiladas until the end!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:12:13pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

Asshole alert:

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Ryan makes Boehner look like a man of honor.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:13:05pm

Lunch today was good. Veggie Vietnamese spring rolls with Thai Iced tea and Ham Banh Mis.

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:13:24pm

He’s implying Clinton had him killed, like the bazillion others she killed. Duh.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:14:01pm

re: #160 Jenner7

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He’s implying Clinton had him killed, like the bazillion others she killed. Duh.

He needs to be called out on this shit. Really fuck Trump and those who enable him.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:15:02pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Happy birthday! And many more (birthdays, not enchiladas)!

But I want both… :)

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:15:20pm

re: #150 lawhawk

Drudge being Drudge:

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Who is he? USSS security detail. That’s from when a person tried to rush the stage at an event a few weeks back.

Why is this even an issue? Because Trump and the right wing has gone bugnuts insane and conspiracies and more are all they have left.

And it’s already gone insane - thanks to the GOP.

But where in the Drudge “Complete 2016 Cough Timeline” does his appearance fit? WE HAVE QUESTIONS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:15:57pm

re: #163 BeachDem

But where in the Drudge “Complete 2016 Cough Timeline” does his appearance fit? WE HAVE QUESTIONS!

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Scottishdragon  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:16:05pm

re: #160 Jenner7

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He’s implying Clinton had him killed, like the bazillion others she killed. Duh.

Oh good God Trump is here in my city again tonight?

I thought something smelled foul…

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:18:58pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Heh. I love Harlan Coben.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:19:16pm
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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:20:12pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:20:21pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fucker knows he’s not going to win so he’s going to cast legitimacy on any Clinton win. What’s the matter, Donald? Scared?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:20:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:21:19pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:22:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:23:06pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That guy may top Todd Akin on the scumbag level. Nice to see that the GOP has learned so much about respecting women. Oh wait, nope.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:23:55pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Coben lives a few towns over from us. He regularly does book signings in Ridgewood. I hear he’s a really nice guy but haven’t run in to him (at least I don’t think I have).

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:24:24pm

STALKING THE ELUSIVE, EXTREMELY RARE, ENDANGERED WILD PIVOT

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:24:45pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Did he get a six year old to write it for him?

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Mattand  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:25:05pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

We know people who live in West Deptford, NJ. This POS is a fucking anomaly.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:26:12pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

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Mattand  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:26:29pm

re: #165 Scottishdragon

Oh good God Trump is here in my city again tonight?

I thought something smelled foul…

I think he’s slithering back into Philly tomorrow. If all of the cheesesteaks in a 20 mile radius go bad, now you know why.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:28:02pm

re: #150 lawhawk

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:28:37pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Did he get a six year old to write it for him?

To be fair, his handwriting is better than mine.

(I got Ds in Penmanship all the way through grade school. My writing is atrocious, and my signature a mere scrawl. I don’t think it has anything to do directly with fine motor control, or I wouldn’t be able to fix watch movement smaller than a dime. )

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:28:51pm

re: #178 lawhawk

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:30:50pm

I just can’t even

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:31:10pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

To be fair, his handwriting is better than mine.

(I got Ds in Penmanship all the way through grade school. My writing is atrocious, and my signature a mere scrawl. I don’t think it has anything to do directly with fine motor control, or I wouldn’t be able to fix watch movement smaller than a dime. )

Mine’s awful. Always shocked when someone can read it. It’s partially being on the spectrum but alot of the males in my family have bad handwriting. Thank goodness for typing.

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A Cranky One  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:31:47pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Did he get a six year old to write it for him?

Hey, he’s proudly a member of the RePUbLICAN PARtY.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:31:56pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even

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It really is infuriating how he gets away with so many damn lies. Really, in an ideal world, he’d lose in a landslide but because so many people in this country are hateful and stupid assholes, he’s got a fighting chance.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:34:39pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:34:49pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

It also over-sampled Republicans, and under-sampled Democrats and Independents.

The poll was put out to get eyeballs, nothing more.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:35:11pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:36:07pm

re: #63 Blind Frog Belly White

It might be Orwellian, but it is true. He is simply stating the obvious.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:36:08pm

re: #188 Ziggy_TARDIS

It also over-sampled Republicans, and under-sampled Democrats and Independents.

The poll was put out to get eyeballs, nothing more.

Yep as I said. I’m not worried. Trends are when you worry about polls. Likewise, while that Texas poll was nice to see, I’m not taking it seriously until I see a series of polls with Clinton inside the MOE in Texas.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:36:44pm

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

And the electorate could be even more minority heavy this time.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:37:10pm

re: #179 Mattand

If he is coming to Philly it will mess up traffic something horrible.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:37:41pm

re: #193 PhillyPretzel

If he is coming to Philly it will mess up traffic something horrible.

He messed up Tahoe traffic when he went there. My brother was on the way to work the day he had a rally there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:38:23pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even

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I cannot, cannot, cannot understand how anyone can listen to him and not hear that all he’s doing is blathering. Nothing he says makes any sense, and he so clearly doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s going on.

What. The. Fuck. is wrong with this country?

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:39:31pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What totally irritates me is why do they even fucking waste time asking these idiotic questions in the first place?

What the Short-fingered vulgarian said about Clinton’s looks does not require any further discussion past something like, “Donald Trump is a short-fingered vulgarian who has nothing to say, so insults his opponent’s looks. Now that we have that out of the way, let’s talk about something that actually fucking matters.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:40:33pm

re: #196 BeachDem

What totally irritates me is why do they even fucking waste time asking these idiotic questions in the first place?

What the Short-fingered vulgarian said about Clinton’s looks does not require any further discussion past something like, “Donald Trump is a short-fingered vulgarian who has nothing to say, so insults his opponent’s looks. Now that we have that out of the way, let’s talk about something that actually fucking matters.”

The media enables it in the worst way. They’re so afraid of being called “liberal” that they refuse to call Trump out on a lot of his bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:43:18pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

I cannot, cannot, cannot understand how anyone can listen to him and not hear that all he’s doing is blathering. Nothing he says makes any sense, and he so clearly doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s going on.

What. The. Fuck. is wrong with this country?

Idiocracy…the documentary…

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:45:05pm

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

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Couldn’t finish reading that cornswaggle—it was truly vomit-inducing. (But thanks for sharing!)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:46:29pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

There were a few polls earlier that showed Hillary within 3-5 here. Not impossible, but it is unlikely.

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majii  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:46:41pm

re: #192 Ziggy_TARDIS

“And the electorate could be even more minority heavy this time.”

I’ve read that @ 50,000 Hispanics/Latinos reach age 18 every month. I also read that American Muslims have also begun actively registering voters. Many GOPers, including Trump, seem to think that rally attendance = votes, but it’s a shortsighted and flawed way of counting votes. I read, too, that not everyone who has attended, or will attend, a Trump rally, will vote, and that some of them aren’t even registered to vote.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:48:10pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even

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I thought he was just bragging about the 88 leading military men that were endorsing him just yesterday.

I’m thinking you add up all the crap he has said about the military and he might want to watch it. You don’t want to get on the wrong side of the military in an election. And if by odd chance you do win…you really don’t want to be on the wrong side of the military.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:49:20pm

re: #200 Ziggy_TARDIS

There were a few polls earlier that showed Hillary within 3-5 here. Not impossible, but it is unlikely.

I think what you will see happen in Texas is the best showing by a Dem since Bill Clinton in 1992. I don’t know if Texas will go Dem in 2020 but I think it will in 2024 or 2028.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:49:34pm

re: #201 majii

Some of them are there to watch the train wreck. And some are there to learn about their enemy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:50:21pm

re: #201 majii

“And the electorate could be even more minority heavy this time.”

I’ve read that @ 50,000 Hispanics/Latinos reach age 18 every month. I also read that American Muslims have also begun actively registering voters. Many GOPers, including Trump seem to think that rally attendance = votes, but it’s a shortsighted and flawed way of counting votes. I read, too, that not everyone who has attended, or will attend, a Trump rally, will vote, and that some of them aren’t even registered to vote.

Yeah I’ve heard that too regarding Hispanic voters. I think a lot of minority voters will be eager to vote against Trump.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:50:54pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

What is the likelihood Hillary does a “One and Done?”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:51:30pm

I am a little worried about 2020 but we’ll cross that when we come to it and fortunately if Clinton does win this year, she’ll be shaping the Supreme Court and give it a chance to be the most progressive minded it’s been since Earl Warren retired nearly 50 years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:51:59pm

re: #206 Ziggy_TARDIS

What is the likelihood Hillary does a “One and Done?”

I honestly don’t know. It’s been so long since a President stepped down after one term.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:52:36pm

re: #202 ObserverArt

I thought he was just bragging about the 88 leading military men that were endorsing him just yesterday.

I’m thinking you add up all the crap he has said about the military and he might want to watch it. You don’t want to get on the wrong side of the military in an election. And if by odd chance you do win…you really don’t want to be on the wrong side of the military.

Then again. There are a lot of military that think like him and want to use their toys (weapons) on anyone just because they can.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:53:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:53:59pm

re: #209 GlutenFreeJesus

Then again. There are a lot of military that think like him and want to use their toys (weapons) on anyone just because they can.

I’ve come to realize that veterans are like the rest of the population. They have people with views all over the place though I do concede they lean right as a whole.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:54:56pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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I would hope so too. She will though because if she doesn’t the media and Trump won’t shut up about it even though Turmp as you say he hasn’t showed any respect to anyone.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:55:41pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

I cannot, cannot, cannot understand how anyone can listen to him and not hear that all he’s doing is blathering. Nothing he says makes any sense, and he so clearly doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s going on.

What. The. Fuck. is wrong with this country?

What if your hinges all are rusting?
What if, in fact, you’re just disgusting?

Razzle dazzle ‘em
And they;ll never catch wise!…

Give ‘em the old three ring circus
Stun and stagger ‘em
When you’re in trouble, go into your dance

Though you are stiffer than a girder
They’ll let you get away with murder
Razzle dazzle ‘em
And you’ve got a romance

Chicago- Razzle Dazzle

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:56:29pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

If I were her, I’d put my hand out, and pull it back when he reached out, and brush my hair back. SIKE!

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Interesting Times  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:56:36pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

Agree (knowing him, he’d probably be hiding some gross substance or sharp object). But the media, in their infinite lack of wisdom, would absolutely skewer her for it (oh noes race to the bottom both sides herp derp)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:57:00pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Last one was Rutherford B. Hayes, who left office in 1881.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:57:50pm

re: #216 Ziggy_TARDIS

Last one was Rutherford B. Hayes, who left office in 1881.

Yep in otherwords, I’d be very shocked if she decides not to run again if she wins.

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danarchy  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:58:38pm

re: #216 Ziggy_TARDIS

Last one was Rutherford B. Hayes, who left office in 1881.

Couldn’t LBJ have run again if he wanted to?

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:58:44pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

Right before the debate, she should tweet something to the effect that he’ll sound like he’s reading his own fourth grade level tweets and then stick her hand out to shake his.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:59:08pm

re: #218 danarchy

Couldn’t LBJ have run again if he wanted to?

Yes.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:59:36pm

re: #201 majii

“And the electorate could be even more minority heavy this time.”

I’ve read that @ 50,000 Hispanics/Latinos reach age 18 every month. I also read that American Muslims have also begun actively registering voters. Many GOPers, including Trump, seem to think that rally attendance = votes, but it’s a shortsighted and flawed way of counting votes. I read, too, that not everyone who has attended, or will attend, a Trump rally, will vote, and that some of them aren’t even registered to vote.

Kind of the same problem Bernie had.

Hey—I’m all for them seeing every rally as equivalent to 40,000 door knocks. Let them keep thinking that, while we knock on the 40,000 doors.

We got game—GROUND GAME.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 5:59:47pm

re: #218 danarchy

Couldn’t LBJ have run again if he wanted to?

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:00:36pm

Truman too technically could have in 52 but I was reluctant to include him and LBJ since they had nearly four years and two before they got their full term.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:00:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:01:13pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:01:18pm

re: #219 Belafon

Right before the debate, she should tweet something to the effect that he’ll sound like he’s reading his own fourth grade level tweets and then stick her hand out to shake his.

A DM.

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:01:51pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lawrence had a good short about Native Americans the other day. Good on Reich though. Some of his Bernie cheerleading annoyed me in the primaries but he’s a guy whose heart is in the right place fundamentally.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:02:14pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

She has to be bigger than this. She has to be better than this.

Remind you of someone else?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:02:27pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

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I’d probably be caught off mic saying things about Trump and Pence both.

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gocart mozart  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:03:34pm

It’s irresponsible not to speculate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:03:40pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Idiocracy…the documentary…

I like money….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:06:22pm

I’ve seen this photo in several tweets today and just love it:

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gocart mozart  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:06:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:06:35pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

It’s irresponsible not to speculate.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:06:59pm

re: #220 Belafon

True. But he technically served more than 1 term.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:07:50pm

re: #233 gocart mozart

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:07:52pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

Putin is such a little, little man.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:08:12pm

re: #38 Jenner7

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You can’t make this shit up.

God don’t like ugly!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:08:27pm

re: #233 gocart mozart

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He seriously would be thrown off the whole debate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:08:30pm

re: #237 Ziggy_TARDIS

Putin is such a little, little man.

Yet, I would bet his hands are much much larger than donald’s…

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:08:45pm

re: #209 GlutenFreeJesus

Then again. There are a lot of military that think like him and want to use their toys (weapons) on anyone just because they can.

They also do not want a leader that will throw them under the bus to the public. He is already doing that. He knows more than the generals. He is now saying the military are indiscriminate killers in the middle east. That is not a way to build their support.

And besides…doesn’t everyone know Hillary is the real hawk! ///

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A Cranky One  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:09:47pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

I cannot, cannot, cannot understand how anyone can listen to him and not hear that all he’s doing is blathering. Nothing he says makes any sense, and he so clearly doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s going on.

What. The. Fuck. is wrong with this country?

Some people believe the filthy rich successful businessman hype. They’ve also been conditioned to view the wealthy as more worthy and somehow better. So when the “successful” person tells them their financial problems are someone else’s fault, and he’s got the answers and will fix things, it reduces the cognitive dissonance between “wealthy means good” and “I’m not wealthy”.

When Trump speaks, his sales banter meets a receptive target so blinded by the Trump hype that their brains ignore the obvious fact that the man is barely literate. And when he validates their hates and scapegoating, tells them they’ve been victimized by the evil libruls and POC and reinforces the Fox propaganda, it makes them feel good.

One can only hope that enough people will see Trump for the preening, vain narcissist that he is and vote accordingly.

But it is sad that so many people are falling for the con. Bigly.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:10:18pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. Yeah you’d think this would be on the evening news. But then again. Our media sucks.

nationalobserver.com

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gwangung  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:10:25pm

re: #233 gocart mozart

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That’s even better.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:11:06pm

re: #243 GlutenFreeJesus

Wow. Yeah you’d think this would be on the evening news. But then again. Our media sucks.

nationalobserver.com

I’ll have to share that with my brother. He’s big on environmental and indigenous people issues.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:12:26pm

There’s something funny about the party that knew that Reagan was senile and probably had early onset Alheimers bitching about Clinton’s health.

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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:12:32pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

You and me both, sis…
(and if I can’t look as good as her, god (that hateful old fart) could have at least endowed me with the ability to sing half as well as she does…)

There seem to be a bunch of us in the 68 field.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:12:59pm

re: #243 GlutenFreeJesus

Wow. Yeah you’d think this would be on the evening news. But then again. Our media sucks.

nationalobserver.com

I saw a photo of the little girl who was bitten in the face.
jeebus…

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:13:28pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

They also do not want a leader that will throw them under the bus to the public. He is already doing that. He knows more than the generals. He is now saying the military are indiscriminate killers in the middle east. That is not a way to build their support.

And besides…doesn’t everyone know Hillary is the real hawk! ///

Just to put Trump’s 88 supporters in perspective:

Trump Announces 88 Top Former Military Officials Backing Him. Romney Had 500
motherjones.com

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:14:43pm

Rude Pundit points out that Pam Bondi has dropped investigations in return for campaign contributions before the one she got from Trump.

For instance, Bondi’s predecessor, Bill McCollum, had sued travel agencies like Expedia who were trying to get out of paying certain taxes in Florida. A few junkets and some money funneled through the Republican Attorneys General Association later, and, in 2014, Bondi said that there was no need to continue the lawsuit.

This was part of her cozy relationship with the now-defunct law firm Dickstein Shapiro, which contributed nearly $25,000 to Bondi’s campaign war chest (which seems to be the going rate for her). Bondi didn’t pursue cases against the firm’s clients, like Herbalife and, hey, a for-profit college. Dickstein Shapiro was eventually cleared when it was investigated for trying to buy influence with Bondi, but, shit, if we use Republican standards for what lengthy investigations prove, then everyone involved was guilty as fuck. The Florida press started calling Bondi’s m.o. “pay to look away.”

But, hey, Trump’s spokesjerk says everything is ‘squared away,’ so don’t worry your pointy little heads, mainstream media.
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Belafon  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:16:04pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

I cannot, cannot, cannot understand how anyone can listen to him and not hear that all he’s doing is blathering. Nothing he says makes any sense, and he so clearly doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s going on.

What. The. Fuck. is wrong with this country?

I guarantee that most of the people I work with, who will vote for Trump, have not listened to him. I would not be surprised if a large number of them never pay attention to what he has to say or what he stands for (whatever that is). He’s not Hillary. He’s the Republican.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:16:06pm

re: #250 makeitstop

Rude Pundit points out that Pam Bondi has dropped investigations in return for campaign contributions before the one she got from Trump.

But, hey, Trump’s spokesjerk says everything is ‘squared away,’ so don’t worry your pointy little heads, mainstream media.
/

And Bondi says she’s being bullied by Hillary.

Seriously, that’s the excuse the Housewives use.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:17:18pm

re: #249 BeachDem

Just to put Trump’s 88 supporters in perspective:

Trump Announces 88 Top Former Military Officials Backing Him. Romney Had 500
motherjones.com

Stopped reading when I saw the list had General Boykin who is a crazy nutjob. 538 actally has an article today about Trump’s struggles with veterans compared to past GOP candidates. Honestly I’m amazed that a chickenshit like Romney did as well as he did with vets. Romney was just as dismissive as Trump was when it came to the military IMO. McCain and W Bush and Dole I of course can understand.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:18:57pm
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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:19:26pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea

And Bondi says she’s being bullied by Hillary.

Seriously, that’s the excuse the Housewives use.

And if Pam Bondi had gone the Housewives route, we’d all be better off.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:20:06pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

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Saw that one of my friends is pushing that shit. Sigh.

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gwangung  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:20:28pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Stopped reading when I saw the list had General Boykin who is a crazy nutjob. 538 actally has an article today about Trump’s struggles with veterans compared to past GOP candidates. Honestly I’m amazed that a chickenshit like Romney did as well as he did with vets. Romney was just as dismissive as Trump was when it came to the military IMO. McCain and W Bush and Dole I of course can understand.

Yeah, but I’m almost certain Trump has the whole hearted support of the 101st Chairborne.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:20:54pm

You know what. I had a bad cold earlier in the summer. It fucking happens. We had a president that had Polio that got us through WWII and the Depression. We had another that had Depression that gout us through the Civil War.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:21:12pm

re: #257 gwangung

Yeah, but I’m almost certain Trump has the whole hearted support of the 101st Chairborne.

Ah, the Screeching Eagles, a fine unit.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:21:21pm

re: #255 BeachDem

She’s a fucking Gator. Didn’t go to UF Law tho, Stetson.

Rubio is a Gator too.

Big school = big state. You get your % of a-holes.

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gwangung  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:22:52pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Ah, the Screeching Eagles, a fine unit.

<scratches head> I thought that was the Squealing Quails….but whatever…

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:24:28pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve seen this photo in several tweets today and just love it:

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This is Putin meeting Spain’s 6’6” Prince Felipe (now King Felipe VI) in 2002.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:25:51pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t know. It’s been so long since a President stepped down after one term.

Lyndon Johnson was the last IIRC.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:26:01pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:28:13pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel

This is Putin meeting Spain’s 6’6” Prince Felipe (now King Felipe VI) in 2002.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:28:18pm

To push one of Thanos’s pages, go watch the Daryl’s House video with Elle King.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:32:45pm

re: #265 Shiplord Kirel

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:33:04pm

re: #263 The Vicious Babushka

Lyndon Johnson was the last IIRC.

Yeah I think that’s right.

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gocart mozart  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:36:42pm
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majii  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:37:01pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’ve seen this photo in several tweets today and just love it:”

One of the things I love most about President Obama is that if he has something to say to someone, he doesn’t talk sh*t behind the person’s back, he says it to his/her face. I also love his confidence. I know quite a few people made a lot of noise about China not rolling out the red carpet for him, but I don’t think it matters to him one whit. Why? Because he knows he’s the #1 mf*king leader on the planet, and there’s not a d*mn thing they can do about him except talk sh*t. Duterte has been talking lots of sh*t about the president, but he never expected him to un-invite him to the U.S., but that’s exactly what the president did. Reuters is reporting today that the Philippines is scrambling to “soothe tensions” with America. Duterte is learning soon in his tenure in office that it’s not a good idea to talk sh*t to President Obama. I can’t imagine Trump keeping his cool if Duterte had called him the son of a *hore/b*tch. No way. He’d be on Twitter acting like a two year old, no, make that a newborn.
reuters.com

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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:37:47pm

re: #265 Shiplord Kirel

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:37:48pm

Obama nominated the first Muslim for a federal judge (Daily Kos link):

President Barack Obama made history on Tuesday by nominating the first Muslim person to the federal judiciary, Abid Qureshi.

“I am pleased to nominate Mr. Qureshi to serve on the United States District Court bench,” Obama said in a statement. “I am confident he will serve the American people with integrity and a steadfast commitment to justice.”

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MsJ  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:37:56pm

re: #168 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:38:48pm

re: #272 Belafon

Obama nominated the first Muslim for a federal judge (Daily Kos link):

Good.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:38:58pm

Digging digging digging

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:39:36pm

re: #273 MsJ

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:40:06pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

Digging digging digging

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At the end of this campaign, we might end up with a pretty good separation of those reporters who will actually do their job and those that won’t.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:40:13pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

Digging digging digging

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Of course. But hey he complied with the ADA so ergo he’s good to people with disabilities.

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majii  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:40:42pm

re: #255 BeachDem

Bondi sounds like Alex Jones did a few weeks ago when he pretended the president thinks about him, so he had to tweet a pic of himself holding a big gun. Although Bondi, Trump, Jones, and some others don’t know it, most of us don’t think about them at all, and when we do, it gives us a bad case of indigestion.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:42:23pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Ah, the Screeching Eagles, a fine unit.

The Screeching Eagle Forum

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:42:44pm

There is now an asteroid named after Freddy Mercury.

Freddie Mercury Asteroid

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:43:00pm

re: #280 jaunte

The Screeching Eagle Forum

Ha!

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:45:07pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

The US military which he wants to vote for him because he loves Vets? That military?

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majii  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:45:20pm

re: #272 Belafon

“Obama nominated the first Muslim for a federal judge”

It will be time for some more Muslim fear-mongering. Right-wingers get on my last d*mn nerve with that sh*t. That’s not governing, it’s BS meant to keep their gullible base riled up about things that aren’t even important. If a nominee is qualified, that should be all that matters.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:47:26pm

re: #284 majii

“Obama nominated the first Muslim for a federal judge”

It will be time for some more Muslim fear-mongering. Right-wingers get on my last d*mn nerve with that sh*t. That’s not governing, it’s BS meant to keep their gullible base riled up about things that aren’t even important. If a nominee is qualified, that should be all that matters.

Right, they’ll freak out about that while they ignore that Bush, a man many of them voted for and supported had a Muslim man as Ambassador to the UN and to Afghanistan. They’ll also ignore that Christie too appointed a Muslim judge. Granted neither Christie or Bush are too popular with these types.

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:50:33pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:51:27pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:52:53pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:55:10pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t know. It’s been so long since a President stepped down after one term.

LBJ would be the most recent (since he was elected President only in 1964 - after finishing the last year of Kennedy’s term). He declined to run for re-election in 1968.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:55:35pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a shame how minuscule the media coverage of the ND protests have been. These protests deserve maximum coverage. I believe Sam Seder will be covering them tomorrow on the Majority Report tomorrow.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 6:59:28pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:01:49pm

re: #272 Belafon

O-o. Sharia law!
/s

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:04:12pm

re: #273 MsJ

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:04:17pm

30 DAYS! ISIS WILL BE SO DESTROYED BY OUR WEAK DEPLETED MILITARY SO FAST, IT’LL MAKE YOUR HEAD SPIN!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:04:50pm

re: #293 Patricia Kayden

O-o. Sharia law!
/s

This may be a case of “Use once, you’re a wit; use twice, you’re a halfwit”, but WTH:

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:07:50pm

re: #295 teleskiguy

Trump says he’ll ask top military brass for plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days if he’s elected.

Trump knows lots more about land wars in Asia than Douglas MacArthur.

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allegro  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:09:05pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

I think what you will see happen in Texas is the best showing by a Dem since Bill Clinton in 1992. I don’t know if Texas will go Dem in 2020 but I think it will in 2024 or 2028.

Having been immersed in TX Republican circles (of the highly educated and intelligent variety - yeah, I know, but bear with me) the past weeks, I’m seeing some very interesting dynamics. None of them can tolerate Trump and all acknowledge that the GOP has gone insane, taken over by fringe lunatics. (They also share a disgust of the likes of Cruz, Gohmert, Abbott, etc.) Not a one claims a willingness to vote for top ticket GOP. A couple are supporting Clinton outright, reluctantly of course but hey, cool. Perhaps strangely, those votes are coming from men. It seems the women who hate Clinton REALLY hate Clinton and her husband - they seem to always bring him up when they tell me why they hate Hillary. This is bad news. It’s gut-level and intensely personal.

I’m seeing a definite and increasing lean towards Johnson and a newfound affection for Libertarianism. We have actually been able to find considerable common ground in our debates. They know I’m a strong liberal but as an essential cog in the project we’re working on (if I go, the project craters), they gotta put up with me and be nice and I get to say anything I damn well please. Since I go fucking ballistic when I hear a right wing talking point/CT and they’ve learned they can’t support those against my fact-laden arguments (thanks Lizards! seriously, I could only instantly zap out the bullet point facts thanks to you guys) the discussions now center on issues rather than nebulous Hillary/Democrat hate. It’s kinda wonderful.

So TL:DR… though my sample is very small and doesn’t include knuckle-draggers, I think Hillary does have a real shot at taking Texas. It won’t be due to Republican votes for Clinton, but votes for Johnson if they vote top ticket at all.

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TedStriker  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:09:10pm

re: #296 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This may be a case of “Use once, you’re a wit; use twice you’re a halfwit”, but WTH:

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Feline reincarnation of Johnny Carson’s Carnac the Magnificent?

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:09:53pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

You know what. I had a bad cold earlier in the summer. It fucking happens. We had a president that had Polio that got us through WWII and the Depression. We had another that had Depression that gout us through the Civil War.

As I mentioned I saw Hillary back at the end of July here in Columbus on the bus tour right after the convention. She did not cough once. Of course, it was hot, dry day and no where near fall allergy or late summer mold allergy seasons.

So…

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:10:21pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:12:00pm

re: #295 teleskiguy

Uh. Obama asked Republicans to sign an AUMF over a year ago.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:13:26pm

re: #148 Scottishdragon

Yesterday was birthday number 49. We made 80 delicious cheesy meat filled enchiladas. With refried beans on the side. I ate myself sick on them last night, and I am going to do again shortly.

I’ll be smiling the entire time…

Tomorrow is number 55 for me. Don’t know what I will eat.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:15:05pm

if she’s pre impeached she can then be pre aquitted BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T BREAK ANY LAWS

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Snarknado!  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:15:48pm

re: #301 jaunte

Well, the third email I got today from the Clinton campaign (only three? they’re slipping!) Viewed with Great Alarm the CNN poll that put Trump ahead. (This, it says, is how you build momentum. Select a poll that favors your side and use it to get contributions. Therefore send us money at once!)

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SteelPH  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:16:17pm

re: #304 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if she’s pre impeached she can then be pre aquitted BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T BREAK ANY LAWS

You foolish fool, being a Democrat is against the law in wingnutland.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:18:02pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Ryan’s a fucking ass.

He is lying “pork” ass.

I though the Republicans just hated that idea of porking out a bill with all kinds of pet goodies or stuff they want to see changed or gone.

Yeah right.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:19:45pm

re: #304 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if she’s pre impeached she can then be pre aquitted BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T BREAK ANY LAWS

They’re always hyperventilating about Obama suspending the election. Wouldn’t that be a reasonable pretext—one of the major candidates being tried in Congress?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:20:02pm

re: #295 teleskiguy

Trump says he’ll ask top military brass for plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days if he’s elected.

generally speaking his policy suggestions sound like something a twelve year old would come up with

Trump Asks Secretary Of State For 30 Day Plan For World Domination And Bigger Abs

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:21:37pm

re: #309 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

generally speaking his policy suggestions sound like something a twelve year old would come up with

Trump Asks Secretary Of State For 30 Day Plan For World Domination And Bigger Abs

“Military’s plan to defeat ISIS with this one simple trick!”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:23:34pm

re: #308 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re always hyperventilating about Obama suspending the election. Wouldn’t that be a reasonable pretext—one of the major candidates being tried in Congress?

there’s always the trump u fraud case which is due to go to court after the election

does anybody know if it would go ahead if by some mischance he was elected or are public officials at that level immune to fraud prosecutions until out of office?

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:26:34pm

re: #304 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if she’s pre impeached she can then be pre aquitted BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T BREAK ANY LAWS

How about Obama pre pardons her and she is untouchable if she wins. /

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:29:04pm

re: #311 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

there’s always the trump u fraud case which is due to go to court after the election

does anybody know if it would go ahead if by some mischance he was elected or are public officials at that level immune to fraud prosecutions until out of office?

I’d bet that his lawyers would plead sovereign immunity. And if he’s president, most likely everybody would shrug and say ‘okay.’

That’s another reason why Trump cannot become president.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:32:13pm

re: #304 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if she’s pre impeached she can then be pre aquitted BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T BREAK ANY LAWS

Sentence first, verdict after! - The Queen of Hearts

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:38:53pm

re: #309 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

generally speaking his policy suggestions sound like something a twelve year old would come up with

Trump Asks Secretary Of State For 30 Day Plan For World Domination And Bigger Abs

He said in Feb or March (who watches this shit, smart people do) that he himself had a plan, but it was secret. SECRET.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:39:30pm

The use of Mar-a-Lago alone was a donation of some value. Space at the resort is expensive to rent. Trump has charged his own presidential campaign roughly $140,000 an event for use of the resort.

In contrast, the Republican Party of Florida paid only $4,855.65 for the Bondi fundraiser, cutting a check on March 25, 2014. It was a “small event on the lawn … featuring snacks and refreshments, attended by about 50 people,” a Bondi campaign staffer told The Huffington Post.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:41:04pm

re: #316 jaunte

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haha Pam. You fucked.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:42:38pm

re: #317 Stanley Sea

The Trump campaign contributors are really getting screwed.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:43:19pm
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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:43:50pm

re: #315 Stanley Sea

He said in Feb or March (who watches this shit, smart people do) that he himself had a plan, but it was secret. SECRET.

Just like the double secret probation he was on in college.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:44:47pm

re: #318 jaunte

The Trump campaign contributors are really getting screwed.

Isn’t he basically using his campaign as a profit center?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:45:12pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

My Mom grew up there. They were on planks basically back then, but they were surfing.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:47:13pm
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jaunte  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:47:13pm

re: #321 Schroedinger’s Dog

Close to $8 million so far to companies controlled by his family.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:51:16pm

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:52:45pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:54:50pm

re: #313 makeitstop

I’d bet that his lawyers would plead sovereign immunity. And if he’s president, most likely everybody would shrug and say ‘okay.’

That’s another reason why Trump cannot become president.

If he knew there was some legal difficulty coming up that’s so bad he has to become President, it would explain a lot.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:56:11pm

I give up—I refreshed the page and didn’t realize that previous stuff would reappear—but I can’t believe it let me post the same thing twice.

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Mattand  Sep 6, 2016 • 7:57:38pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

The media enables it in the worst way. They’re so afraid of being called “liberal” that they refuse to call Trump out on a lot of his bullshit.

I cannot upvote this enough.

The death of this country is going to be its sick obsession with false balance.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:03:01pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

At a North Carolina rally Trump took aim at his rival’s ‘military adventurism’ and condemned the promotion of democracy oversees: ‘They don’t even want it’

Sounds like something Putin would say he wanted. Go figure. He has a spokesman in Trump.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:06:03pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:08:17pm

Check the defense the Bondi people are giving. Only one complaint against Trump U happened after she got elected to AG. 20 or so before.

This is completely totally a bullshit claim - when you are AG, you take over all cases.

Not just those that appear under your time.

BULLSHIT

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:10:42pm

re: #327 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If he knew there was some legal difficulty coming up that’s so bad he has to become President, it would explain a lot.

Or maybe financial difficulty. Maybe he has to become president so he can get some of those Russian loans forgiven.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:13:05pm

re: #332 Stanley Sea

Check the defense the Bondi people are giving. Only one complaint against Trump U happened after she got elected to AG. 20 or so before.

This is completely totally a bullshit claim - when you are AG, you take over all cases.

Not just those that appear under your time.

BULLSHIT

Year zero we’ll call it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:13:41pm

re: #333 makeitstop

Or maybe financial difficulty. Maybe he has to become president so he can get some of those Russian loans forgiven.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

Some people are saying he’s so deep in hock to the Russian Mafia that he’ll be sleeping with the fishes if he doesn’t get elected. I would never say that, but many people are saying it.

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:15:00pm
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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:19:46pm

re: #336 teleskiguy

That would only be fair and just.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:19:50pm

re: #335 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Some people are saying he’s so deep in hock to the Russian Mafia that he’ll be sleeping with the fishes if he doesn’t get elected. I would never say that, but many people are saying it.

I, too, have heard many people say that.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:21:11pm

Hearing aid? mic from Kellyanne? We only can speculate

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allegro  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:23:08pm

OOoo excellent Hillary ad just now on Tonight Show. “Just one wrong move”. Think it’s the first I’ve seen on teevee. The Big Guns are coming out.

edit: That would be The Daily Show.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:23:29pm

re: #339 Stanley Sea

Hearing aid? mic from Kellyanne? We only can speculate

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I demand radio frequency jammers on stage at all debates.

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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:25:14pm

re: #341 makeitstop

I demand radio frequency jammers on stage at all debates.

Sekrtly. With a high pitch squeal.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:27:27pm

re: #341 makeitstop

I demand radio frequency jammers on stage at all debates.

He’ll come out wearing a wire and be fed answers from backstage. I doubt if there’s even a rule against it, because nobody could ever have imagined such a thing. Nobody will call him on it, but I bet his delivery will be so wooden it’ll be obvious when he’s just parroting. Not to mention when he repeats the answers wrong.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:29:22pm

The perils of floor pooping

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allegro  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:29:47pm

re: #343 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He’ll come out wearing a wire and be fed answers from backstage. I doubt if there’s even a rule against it, because nobody could ever have imagined such a thing. Nobody will call him on it, but I bet his delivery will be so wooden it’ll be obvious when he’s just parroting. Not to mention when he repeats the answers wrong.

I have no doubt that Trump will have a receiver in his ear during the debates, assuming he shows. That’s why he doesn’t feel like he needs to prepare.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:30:25pm

re: #342 retired cynic

Sekrtly. With a high pitch squeal.

But it needs to hold off until a few minutes after the start, in the middle of his first spew. Then hit all frequencies with an ear-bleeding squeal.

“I’m gonna bring back the jobs, okay? okay? Believe m- JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!! WHAT THE FUCK?!?”

“Secretary Clinton? Rebuttal?”

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:31:24pm

re: #344 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The perils of floor pooping

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Let this be a lesson if you’re lurking, Chuck C.

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allegro  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:32:50pm

re: #346 Blind Frog Belly White

But it needs to hold off until a few minutes after the start, in the middle of his first spew. Then hit all frequencies with an ear-bleeding squeal.

“I’m gonna bring back the jobs, okay? okay? Believe m- JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!! WHAT THE FUCK?!?”

“Secretary Clinton? Rebuttal?”

Oh pleeeeeease make it so!

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vgranucci  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:35:33pm

re: #177 Mattand

We know people who live in West Deptford, NJ. This POS is a fucking anomaly.

I lived in West Deptford Township during my teen years. He is most definitely an anomaly.

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vgranucci  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:41:53pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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Or you could go back to the original reason for the handshake, which was to prevent the other guy from using any weapons he might carry in his right hand.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 6, 2016 • 8:44:34pm

re: #350 vgranucci

Or you could go back to the original reason for the handshake, which was to prevent the other guy from using any weapons he might carry in his right hand.

The original Roman handshake was where each guy would clasp the other’s forearm, up near the elbow, to show there were no daggers concealed there.

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meteor  Sep 6, 2016 • 11:03:31pm

re: #326 jaunte

Whoa, we’re getting into Al Capone territory here.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 7, 2016 • 5:49:49am

re: #210 Charles Johnson

Absolutely true, he doesn’t deserve that gesture of respect. But the trump-accommodating media would flip their shit. I think she should shake his hand but give him the same stare prizefighters give each other when they have those weird pre-fight things. Let him know what he’s in for. Maybe he’ll pee his pants just a little.


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