Election Night Open Thread 4
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BREAKING: Donald Trump is elected president of the United States. pic.twitter.com/yJpgfsAbc6
— The Associated Press (@AP) November 9, 2016
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I just can’t…
I can only imagine what it’s like tonight to be Latino, Black, female, Muslim, LGBT, or even Jewish.
How do I explain to my daughter that her grandmother voted the dude who would see me in prison for being queer, & having had an abortion?
— Athena Hollow (@athenahollow) November 9, 2016
The popular vote is closing, slowly, as our SoS reports votes from CA.
There are probably 3 million more Clinton votes left to be reported from California, and about half that for Drumpfskind.
Which means that Hillary ought to win the popular vote by about a million. Maybe more, especially as more WA votes come in .
My paltry lift-me-up:
Congratulations @realDonaldTrump! Please please PLEASE don’t use nuclear weapons while you’re president. And be nice, asshole.
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 9, 2016
Main BBC website has crashed. Getting an “Error 500” message.
Rudy earlier compared Trump’s win to that of Andrew Jackson, which led many to immediately bring up his actions towards the Native Americans. My first thought was to Jackson’s establishment of the “spoils system” which still exists (in modified form) to this day, rewarding those who supported the candidate with various government positions and preferential treatment. It seems fitting that Rudy would compare Trump’s victory to that of a man whose lasting political legacy was a system of corruption and bribery that typifies “the establishment” today.
Well, faithless electors could save us from this hell.
Not holding breath.
re: #8 Dr Lizardo
Main BBC website has crashed. Getting an “Error 500” message.
It’s back online now.
Trump lied a minimum of 5-6 times more than Clinton at both debates. He has run schemes from steaks to universities to foundations.
— Elon James White (@elonjames) November 9, 2016
So clearly this election wasn’t about fucking trustworthiness or turnout. It was about misogyny, racism & the White folks who co-signed it.
— Elon James White (@elonjames) November 9, 2016
HEH, Chris Matthews on NBC. “There has to be a pony in this crap pile.”
This really is the end of America being Leader of the Free World. We started slipping from that position under W, but we had a shot of regaining it under Obama. Now? Forget it. Game over.
I am really stunned that we have this many stupid, hateful people in this country.
Our Presidency is now an international joke.
Reprinted from the last thread, ‘cause I really would like to know some answers:
A question that I don’t think has been considered: Do the Clintons and Obamas need to flee the country? I don’t necessarily think Trump will merely put them in jail. I think there’s a not-insignificant chance he’ll just kill ‘em. :(
Trump has sworn to get revenge on a lot of prominent people. If you’re working for a major newspaper, you’ve got to ask if your employer will still be in business. What happens to journalists who’ve reported on Trump? What happens to Katy Tur? What happens to Mark Cuban? What happens to Jeff Bezos? What happens to entertainers and comedians who Trump has decided to dislike?
There aren’t many places you can flee to. The UK is almost as insane as we are. The Australians are closing in fast. The French are already incredibly racist and won’t need much of a push to jump into fascism. Canada and the Nordic countries seem pretty sane, but I doubt they can handle everyone who needs to get out.
@democraticbear @mdmjkl He hasn’t even taken office yet and is already starting to cause a world economic crash.
— jim (@jlcoffeecup) November 9, 2016
BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin sends Donald Trump a telegram of congratulation on winning the US presidential election.
— The Associated Press (@AP) November 9, 2016
The entire world tuned into the ‘04 elections and wondered the next day how tens of millions of Americans could be so stupid as to reelect Dubya.
One can only imagine the headlines for tomorrow.
Just thinking, “I better find me a Czech woman to marry lickety-split so I can retain my permanent residency here!”
re: #20 Dr Lizardo
Just thinking, “I better find me a Czech woman to marry lickety-split so I can retain my permanent residency here!”
“Hey gorgeous, how’s about you and me get hitched so I don’t have to go back to America?”
re: #20 Dr Lizardo
I’m sure if you explain your dilemma, you’ll find some kind-hearted woman to help you out.
re: #3 Blind Frog Belly White
I can only imagine what it’s like tonight to be Latino, Black, female, Muslim, LGBT, or even Jewish.
One of my artist friends on Twitter…
I’m transgender, I’m Latina (Mexican no less), and American Indian; and I will survive, and my voice will not be intimidated.
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 9, 2016
If anyone should be scared right now it should be me. But I won’t be & they won’t make me. The fight is uphill but it always has been.
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 9, 2016
I have the power of my ancestors & the peoples of these lands. This is a huge storm but not one we can not overcome. Stand with me now!
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 9, 2016
Bc while we may not have fully predicted the election, we knew of so many horrors within the country that you dismissed when we spoke.
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 9, 2016
Fuck me. I just woke up and was really hoping this news was part of some nightmare where I just DREAMED I woke up.
re: #18 teleskiguy
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“Congratulations on the success of Operation Orange Storm. Stand by and await further instructions.”
America elected a reality TV show mafia don as it’s warlord. A xenophobic, racist, misogynist, know-nothing shitstain on this world.
— Anonymous (@YourAnonNews) November 9, 2016
Someone in the crowd just shouted ‘Kill Obama’ as Trump was accepting victory. #electionnight
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) November 9, 2016
re: #24 Dr Lizardo
LOLOL
but I’m cryin’ on the inside
The sad thing is that I was serious. If I were a single woman & someone needed saving from having to live under Trump, I would do it.
Donald Trump could very plausibly appoint 3-4 Supreme Court justices.
— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) November 9, 2016
re: #30 Flavia
The sad thing is that I was serious. If I were a single woman & someone needed saving from having to live under Trump, I would do it.
Well, thanks for that. :)
re: #32 teleskiguy
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Great, as if i didn’t have enough industrial-grade nightmare fuel as it was…
re: #32 teleskiguy
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Actually, I think Mr. Coppins meant to type “The Heritage Foundation”.
re: #32 teleskiguy
Donald Trump could very plausibly appoint 3-4 Supreme Court justices.
— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) November 9, 2016
This is where is gets quite scary for millions of Americans. Gay marriage, abortion, freedom from religion … our path is set. https://t.co/vQph1Ey6K0
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 9, 2016
So…these court cases he has coming up.
What happens if they don’t go his way?
re: #38 harlequinade
So…these court cases he has coming up.
What happens if they don’t go his way?
President Mike Pence.
*shudders*
I lay down for a nap Tues evening and woke up to a nightmare. Somebody pinch me.
re: #18 teleskiguy
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Somewhere in the Kremlin a pudgy little man with minimal hair and saggy man-boobs is dancing naked and shrieking “America! Fuck yeah!”
re: #26 Whack-A-Mole
Fuck me. I just woke up and was really hoping this news was part of some nightmare where I just DREAMED I woke up.
You slept? It’s 4:07 and I can’t sleep. At all.
re: #38 harlequinade
He is immune from prosecution as President.
They are put on hiatus until we can get rid of him.
Saw this on my FB feed regarding Trump’s victory. LOL
The real winner of tonight’s election is the Voyager space probe, launched in 1977, which is currently traveling at 62,137 km per hour away from the Earth into interstellar space…
re: #26 Whack-A-Mole
I was working the polls & came home to the news. So I haven’t been to sleep yet. Not sure when I will be able to sleep at all.
re: #43 Flavia
He is immune from prosecution as President.
They are put on hiatus until we can get rid of him.
Already? Even in this 72 day period?
re: #42 MsJ
I went to bed a little before 9 CST or so. I have to get up at 5:30 for work. Didn’t expect to wake up to this news. I just really, really didn’t. I’m actually kind of dumbstruck by the news.
Hate is an easier sell than hope I guess.
re: #47 Whack-A-Mole
Male is an easier sell than female, for sure.
re: #46 harlequinade
Already? Even in this 72 day period?
I wonder, but I believe that until he takes the oath of office he’s not protected.
Donald Trump could very plausibly appoint 3-4 Supreme Court justices.
— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) November 9, 2016
He could plausibly appoint as many as GOP legislators allow, by having GOP Congress execute nuclear option & adding seats via Judiciary Act. https://t.co/pOwIeb5Kpg
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 9, 2016
I was going to joke about the left coast seceding, but I fucking can’t even anymore. Things are going to get really bad for a lot of vulnerable people, and I have no idea how we can stop it.
re: #39 Archangelus
President Mike Pence.
*shudders*
He’ll be president in all but name anyway. Trump signs stuff. He doesn’t work.
A Czech political commentator wrote this:
You wake up, you turn on the TV or the computer, watching footage of Trump triumph? Back in the shadows, with a bit of imagination, you can see the ominous silhouette of a satisfied Vladimir Putin, who just lurks at his next chance to try to restore the Soviet empire. With Trump it will go easier. He will have no qualms with him on “many ways” to agree.
The Czechs get it. That’s why so many of my students are now so very concerned.
Slept early (well, more like tried to sleep early) and woke up at 3AM local time to watch the results come in with other Democrats, as I did in 2008 and 2012. Left at 7AM ahead of the messy morning traffic when it became clear that things weren’t looking good and the final result came in just as i made it back home.
Nervousness has been replaced by anger, exhaustion and such a sense of disgust that I can’t even put into words.
re: #47 Whack-A-Mole
I went to bed a little before 9 CST or so. I have to get up at 5:30 for work. Didn’t expect to wake up to this news. I just really, really didn’t. I’m actually kind of dumbstruck by the news.
Hate is an easier sell than hope I guess.
Hate and fear. Fear is powerful.
The saddest thing is we are now far less safe than we were eight hours ago.
re: #51 freetoken
I wonder, but I believe that until he takes the oath of office he’s not protected.
That’s better :D That’s what I wanted to hear. Could that have the potential to stop him coming President?
re: #27 Targetpractice
“Congratulations on the success of Operation Orange Storm. Stand by and await further instructions.”
BTW I stole this for Facebook. Possibly my last post there.
Still have a 2nd tab open in chrome on the FB “Deactivate Your Account” page. Haven’t decided yet.
re: #57 BeachDem
I can’t sleep and I can’t stop crying.
I haven’t started crying. I’m not sure I could stop.
re: #59 harlequinade
That’s better :D That’s what I wanted to hear. Could that have the potential to stop him coming President?
Only if a Republican House and Senate decided that it was an impeachable offense.
Tonight’s result affects me none because I’m rich, white and male. Yet, it’ll be a long time until I’m able to sleep peacefully.
— Brandon McCarthy (@BMcCarthy32) November 9, 2016
re: #59 harlequinade
That’s better :D That’s what I wanted to hear. Could that have the potential to stop him coming President?
As much as that would be karma exacting it’s revenge on him, Mike Pence in that role officially does not sound any better.
re: #59 harlequinade
That’s better :D That’s what I wanted to hear. Could that have the potential to stop him coming President?
Actually, the electors could fuck trump (see Washington state and two refusing to give votes to Clinton). But then we would have a civil war.
re: #56 Archangelus
Also despair. Quite a bit of that.
I don’t know how much damage tRump can in fact inflict in the end, but I sure as hell was hoping not to have to find out…
I work with people with disabilities and people with limited English proficiency. We’ve has SCOTUS on our side to ensure civil rights. Not sure what will happen now, but it doesn’t look good.
re: #54 MsJ
He’ll be president in all but name anyway. Trump signs stuff. He doesn’t work.
Yes, THIS is the TRUE nightmare.
Hey, Charles you may want to change the that pop up to say that LGF is dedicated to holding the Kumquat to account.
Some one has to.
re: #66 Archangelus
I’m hoping its like Bojo in London, he was too lazy to fuck things up hard.
re: #70 Apocalypse
Hey, Charles you may want to change the that pop up to say that LGF is dedicated to holding the Kumquat to account.
Some one has to.
At least until Puppet President Mike Pence shuts down the Internet sites critical of the Kumquat.
Just spent the last hour comforting my wife. She’s visiting me here in Canada.
She’s disabled, poor, dependent on Medicaid, in public housing. She’s going to lose all of it.
All I can think of to comment on this horrific event is a passage from H. Beam Piper’s Space Viking.
You had a great civilization here. You could have done anything with it. But it’s too late now. The gates are down and the barbarians are in.
re: #70 Apocalypse
One of the things that worries me most is that there’s going to be little protection under Trump’s ‘rule of law’ for dissenters.
The popular vote is now only separated by about 400k.
There is a comfortable 2 million vote margin still waiting to come in from the west coast for Clinton. Maybe 100k in MI too.
So now we have to explain again why the person who wins the popular vote does not end up being President.
#NowPlaying Carnivore > Retaliation > Jesus Hitler https://t.co/pdr02ixI1K
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 9, 2016
There are some people who are very, very happy about a Trump Presidency. (No worries. Link goes to a satire page on Facebook.)
re: #51 freetoken
I wonder, but I believe that until he takes the oath of office he’s not protected.
Even after. Remember Paula Jones? Civil suits against a sitting a president are absolutely allowable.
Until the Republican congress suddenly changes their minds about that and passes a new law.
So it’s official. President Fuckface von Clownstick.
Words fail.
Millions of fucking white bigots have elected a grossly unqualified man to be POTUS. The only way we don’t end up in WWIII or with Russian military jets flying in formation over DC at five minute intervals is if the GOP establishment somehow manages to put a leash on Trump and keep it there, which is highly unlikely.
Even if Trump gets put on a leash, GOP control of all three branches of federal government is going to be disastrous on all issues.
I’m not reaching across the aisle to work with white nationalists, misogynists, bigots and racists @Gus_802
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 9, 2016
Huffington Post speaking of this as a nightmare, but also trying to absolve its part in promotion of Mr. Trump.
re: #73 Romantic Heretic
That’s nice to hear. ///// The barbarians are us.
No, I’m in the same boat—SSI, public housing, Medicaid. I type here while pretending to be a useful person, ignoring that I’m 53 and have never had a full-time job and perhaps never will. I have so many friends and colleagues in that situation. I wish I had better words for your wife. Or for us all.
Many had hopes for turning TX, but alas, it wasn’t even close.
Drumpf got almost the same number of votes as Romney did.
Hillary did improve on Obama’s numbers by about 300k or so, but that was nowhere near enough.
re: #81 Anymouse
Huffington Post speaking of this as a nightmare, but also trying to absolve its part in promotion of Mr. Trump.
I don’t think the Huffington Post has ever written one kind word about Trump.
re: #81 Anymouse
Huffington Post speaking of this as a nightmare, but also trying to absolve its part in promotion of Mr. Trump.
They are not forgiven.
Neither is cable news, the broadcast networks, the print media that waited until the nomination was sewn up before even *beginning* to investigate anything about him, the other Republican contenders who didn’t do any oppo….
re: #71 Apocalypse
Did BoJo have Pence. Or ALEC?
re: #85 sagehen
They are not forgiven.
Neither is cable news, the broadcast networks, the print media that waited until the nomination was sewn up before even *beginning* to investigate anything about him, the other Republican contenders who didn’t do any oppo….
My local newspaper withheld endorsement of anyone, claiming “both-siderism.”
He will be in the history books along side the likes of Jefferson, Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy, Obama. POTUS means nothing anymore.
To everything that has already been written.
1. I guess one can kiss the mere possibility of a democratic Russia goodbye now.
2. I don’t see this leading to anything but demoralization. “Revolution”? “Galvanizing the movement”? Pfft. Considering the demographics, I don’t expect anything good for 6-8 years.
3. This affects all of us. But I’m glad, in a shamefully egoistic manner, that I’m not an American right now.
4. Maybe building up NSA etc. only to give it to Trump was not a good idea? “Imagine the possibilities”.
5. The only ray of hope is if he cynically lied through his teeth the whole time about the more bigoted stuff and the older, saner Donald will return. Pretty improbable, I know, plus often the mask (if there is one) simply grows on you.
re: #83 freetoken
Many had hopes for turning TX, but alas, it wasn’t even close.
Drumpf got almost the same number of votes as Romney did.
Hillary did improve on Obama’s numbers by about 300k or so, but that was nowhere near enough.
Nationally, Trump got the same number of voters as McCain. Hillary got 10 million fewer than Obama ‘08.
Sigh… Car Thief is still ahead.
I’m more disappointed in that then most anything else.
In a state where even Orange County is being carried by Clinton, the richest man in Congress who made his money based on his experience as a car thief is getting re-elected.
Trump is not the President of the United States. Vladimir Putin is.
Though the media certainly abandoned most, if not all of their responsibilities in favor of chasing quick clicks and bucks throughout the election, placing the blame on them is a cheap and easy (dare I say Trumpian) way out.
The fault rest squarely on the American people. The American people knew exactly what kind of bigoted, xenophobic, unqualified, and irrational person they were voting for. They chose this, the hate over the hope, the promise of the quick fix over the true solution. The American people own this and will be paying the bill for a very long time to come.
The most significant receipt to come out of 2016 pic.twitter.com/O5XMMfcnpj
— MistyKnightsTwistOut (@Steph_I_Will) November 9, 2016
WTH black men voting for the lunatic? https://t.co/ZnY4f7Wwvj
— LiberalPhenom (@LiberalPhenom) November 9, 2016
OK maybe trying a little bit too hard but here goes:
Trump’s #1 job is to get re-elected. I think he’ll try to walk a fine line between tearing the country apart and just trying to do his MAGA schtick. By that I mean he won’t go whole hog after immigrants during his first term because he’s going to be busy truing to keep the economy from imploding. Congress will approve infrastructure spending because 1. Republican governments increase the debt, 2. the only reason they didn’t approve infrastructure eight years ago was because they were trying to keep the country in recession because Obama, and 3. they’re going to have to save the country from the depression that Trump starts.
Well, I think that’s how they’ll start out out but by 2018 they’ll be looking for scapegoats for domestic problems and saying it was all building since Obama was prez (and the willing idiots will buy it).
Internationally, we’re just screwed. Trump will still blame it all on Obama (and the idiots will buy it again). At least ISIS won’t care about us anymore (as if that were ever really an issue).
And we have to listen to the goons crow for years to come.
Nope, I can’t even polish this turd a little.
re: #87 Anymouse
As did the Boston Herald. They endorsed Johnson. They are on my shit-list. Our governor in Massachusetts, Charlie Baker, left his ballot blank. He is one of the very few Republican governors to stay out of trouble, mostly by doing nothing. A lot of people think he has an advantage since he declined to support Trump very early on. Who knows, though?
@smoothkobra this is shit storm is so uncharted I do hope you are right about the markets but the war part is also very real
— Peace4all (@Peace4all17) November 9, 2016
Markets will crash tomorrow, Trump protectionism could mean recession soon. https://t.co/JvahRQC8C7
— Marcus Hassan (@smoothkobra) November 9, 2016
The fact that driving up the oil price is exactly what Putin needs him to do to boost Russia’s economy WON’T be a coincidence. @smoothkobra
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 9, 2016
re: #81 Anymouse
Huffington Post speaking of this as a nightmare, but also trying to absolve its part in promotion of Mr. Trump.
They were better than most.
re: #84 BeachDem
I don’t think the Huffington Post has ever written one kind word about Trump.
I don’t either. They took him as a joke from day 1 putting his articles on their entertainment pages.
re: #94 MsJ
White fear and resentment. That explains it.
re: #94 MsJ
The lack of female support for Clinton is, I hope, a wake-up call to the DNC and all those who think America is ready for a candidate that the masses will label “feminist”.
re: #101 Dr Lizardo
White fear and resentment. That explains it.
The white bigots of America have elected one of their own as president.
re: #102 freetoken
The lack of female support for Clinton is, I hope, a wake-up call to the DNC and all those who think America is ready for a candidate that the masses will label “feminist”.
I’m sorry, these white women should know better. Hopefully we’re not all the way into The Handmaid’s Tale before they get a goddamn clue.
re: #103 EPR-radar
The white bigots of America have elected one of their own as president.
And now they’re gonna go on a tear. After all, one of their own is now POTUS.
re: #103 EPR-radar
Today they have, but I think we should remember that this isn’t solely an American phenomena. The brand Trump represents has been on the rise throughout the West for years now.
re: #95 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
OK maybe trying a little bit too hard but here goes:
Trump’s #1 job is to get re-elected. I think he’ll try to walk a fine line between tearing the country apart and just trying to do his MAGA schtick. By that I mean he won’t go whole hog after immigrants during his first term because he’s going to be busy truing to keep the economy from imploding. Congress will approve infrastructure spending because 1. Republican governments increase the debt, 2. the only reason they didn’t approve infrastructure eight years ago was because they were trying to keep the country in recession because Obama, and 3. they’re going to have to save the country from the depression that Trump starts.
Well, I think that’s how they’ll start out out but by 2018 they’ll be looking for scapegoats for domestic problems and saying it was all building since Obama was prez (and the willing idiots will buy it).
Internationally, we’re just screwed. Trump will still blame it all on Obama (and the idiots will buy it again). At least ISIS won’t care about us anymore (as if that were ever really an issue).
And we have to listen to the goons crow for years to come.
Nope, I can’t even polish this turd a little.
That’s all assuming he’d give a shit about running for re-election. He wanted to win. He won. I doubt he’d even want to run again, so he has four years to do massive damage and then he’ll just walk off into the sunset.
I still can’t wrap my brain around it. And I really need to go to sleep, but just can’t.
I imagine then that a sane, non-clown, non-grabby racist would have won in a landslide.
re: #107 Whack-A-Mole
Today they have, but I think we should remember that this isn’t solely an American phenomena. The brand Trump represents has been on the rise throughout the West for years now.
Very true. It’s been building for about a decade or more now, quietly, just under the surface.
It’s the return of fascism, or a variant thereof.
re: #109 Nyet
I imagine then that a sane, non-clown, non-grabby racist would have won in a landslide.
Don’t underestimate the appeal of clowns.
As we look at the big causes of Trump, don’t forget the damn emails https://t.co/6jAJRtYVqn
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 9, 2016
re: #110 Dr Lizardo
Very true. It’s been building for about a decade or more now, quietly, just under the surface.
It’s the return of fascism, or a variant thereof.
The first half of the 21st century had better not rhyme with the first half of the 20th century. If it does, the nukes will start flying and that will be the end.
Remember these people voted out of hatred. Hatred for Hillary, hatred of Mexicans, hatred of Muslims, hatred of the LGBT community, hatred of journalists. They’re truly are the defination of deplorable.
Hatred and racism prevails on this cold, dark evening in America.
— Nathan Obral 🍁😸🍁 (@myronfalwell) November 9, 2016
re: #94 MsJ
33% of Latino men went for Trump according to this. Must’ve been some kind of shy Tory principle at work. It must’ve been many people did not say they were voting for Trump (for whatever reason) but did.
re: #114 DodgerFan1988
Remember these people voted out of hatred. Hatred for Hillary, hatred for Mexicans, Muslims, LGBT, journalists. They’re truly are deplorable.
Trump’s election win is like watching old video of racists demonstrating against desegregation by threatening little kids, and realizing that this time the bigots won.
The markets look like investors are seeing good opportunities emerged and are stabilizing both equity and futures markets.
Once the shock wears off and the reality sets in, the dubious US Senate will try to take over trade policies. I suspect that all the talk by Drumpf about this or that trade treaty will be proven to be just hot air. I do believe that the BigAg states’ Senators will do what they always do (regardless of party) and make sure import/export stuff is protected from Drumpf’s wild imaginations.
Climate negotiations, though, are toast.
The inner circle of Beltway defense establishment will attempt to rein in any Drumpf foreign policy. Good luck with that.
re: #116 Amory Blaine
Remember, exit polling is of people who voted.
What the numbers are telling us is that large numbers of expected voters did not do what they were expected to do - vote.
What a cruel joke! That’s evil empowered #3,451.
An even crueler joke will be the death of the idea that people will be armed. UNLESS, of course they are friends with Trump, associates of Trump, or owners of Trump. How soon before the NRA signs a contract with the administration?
Imagine what’ll happen if we get a significant terrorist attack now.
re: #119 freetoken
Remember, exit polling is of people who voted.
What the numbers are telling us is that large numbers of expected voters did not do what they were expected to do - vote.
I have no sympathy for anyone who voted for Obama in 2012 who sat this one out.
re: #121 Amory Blaine
Imagine what’ll happen if we get a significant terrorist attack now.
The word “pogrom” springs to mind.
re: #121 Amory Blaine
Imagine what’ll happen if we get a significant terrorist attack now.
Martial law and pogroms vs. Muslims all over the country, within hours.
re: #121 Amory Blaine
Imagine what’ll happen if we get a significant terrorist attack now.
Their terrorists or ours?
re: #121 Amory Blaine
Imagine what’ll happen if we get a significant terrorist attack now.
Hmmmm…that raised an interesting question for me.
(Not-so) Hypothetical scenario: The Bundy Bunch acts up again. How does an authoritarian like Trump respond to such a direct challenge to the authority of his administration and government?
Next: Marie Le Pen in France. Then Germany, the Netherlands, etc., etc., etc.
re: #104 EPR-radar
I really think hyperbole isn’t the way to go. The WW3 stuff, the rounding up of millions of immigrants, even building the wall will never happen for a lot of reasons. What winds up happening is that the opposition winds up looking like a bunch of hysterical crybabies. I know it sounds mean, but the idiots who voted for Trump have this ridiculous notion of our side that galvanizes them. Instead of a post racial world people hoped for with Barack Obama’s election, it is actually a post reality world, where the fate of nations rides on the hysteria of the masses.
Objectivity lost to hysteria this time because the people who should have been objective lost focus. I’ll try to put up a page this weekend about it, but millions(billions) of people have been blindsided by something they probably should have seen coming, but instead of focusing on the oncoming storm, they would up denying reality themselves. I tried to sound this horn here last year, but even so, I allowed myself to believe people wouldn’t be this stupid. The sad fact is this election wasn’t even close. The only silver lining is the empty popular vote margin, meanwhile Republicans won elections allover the country again.
It’s going to take more than just courage and well thought out comments to fight back, it’s going to take brains, and I’m going to challenge this community to get its shit together.
Unfortunately, I’m about to work three straight fourteen hour days, so I’m sure y’all be holding your breath :p
re: #110 Dr Lizardo
Very true. It’s been building for about a decade or more now, quietly, just under the surface.
It’s the return of fascism, or a variant thereof.
More than a decade.
Recall that President Reagan laid a wreath at the tombs of SS soldiers in Germany.
I was livid, but unfortunately could not speak out publicly (I was in the Navy then).
re: #106 Dr Lizardo
And now they’re gonna go on a tear. After all, own of their own is now POTUS.
I don’t think the GOP is interested in throwing us a bone.
re: #126 Whack-A-Mole
Hmmmm…that raised an interesting question for me.
(Not-so) Hypothetical scenario: The Bundy Bunch acts up again. How does an authoritarian like Trump respond to such a direct challenge to the authority of his administration and government?
My prediction is that these anti-federal freaks in the US west will calm down significantly. There’s an obvious partisan pattern to their activities. I’m sure that Cliven will never pay his bills, but a Trump administration seems likely to find a way to let that slide.
Gore beat Bush by about 500k votes.
Hillary will possibly double that, maybe triple that, over Drumpfskind.
re: #126 Whack-A-Mole
Hmmmm…that raised an interesting question for me.
(Not-so) Hypothetical scenario: The Bundy Bunch acts up again. How does an authoritarian like Trump respond to such a direct challenge to the authority of his administration and government?
“The Trump Administration has dismissed the head of the BLM. In a statement, secretary of the Interior (OK, which RWNJ? ///) remarked that the BLM should react an accommodation with the armed group, who have occupied the federal reserve.
“The administration will work with the private sector to hire the armed band.”
re: #108 BeachDem
That’s all assuming he’d give a shit about running for re-election. He wanted to win. He won. I doubt he’d even want to run again, so he has four years to do massive damage and then he’ll just walk off into the sunset.
I still can’t wrap my brain around it. And I really need to go to sleep, but just can’t.
His only foreign policy priority is bribing and/or strong-arming Turkey, India, Azerbaijan, etc to drop pending criminal cases against the Trump-brand real estate projects he’ll get royalties from.
His only domestic policy priorities are eliminating the inheritance tax, and punishing every media outlet that said anything unkind about him. Jeff Bezos and Kurt Eichenwald are in for a world of hurt.
Thing is, it appears that raging conspiracy theories and lies get results. Facts are wayyy over there…..somewhere.
re: #128 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
What was that Maya Angelou said: Oh yes, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”
Democracy is always one election from extinction.
You are aware that “Periods for Pence” is still going on over at Facebook, with the woman who started it still calling the governor’s office every day to report on the women who posted details about their flows?
re: #108 BeachDem
That’s all assuming he’d give a shit about running for re-election. He wanted to win. He won. I doubt he’d even want to run again, so he has four years to do massive damage and then he’ll just walk off into the sunset.
I still can’t wrap my brain around it. And I really need to go to sleep, but just can’t.
There exist easy-to-find before/after pics of most modern US presidents, so I serioulsy doubt he will want a second term. Or that he truely wants even one term.
re: #134 Sherlock Hound
- Mr. President, our Bundy friends are in an armed standoff with the BLM.
- Shoot the fucking BLM terrorists.
- Yes, sir.
[later]
- Wait, I thought you meant the Black Lives Matter thugs. Never mind.
re: #128 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
I really think hyperbole isn’t the way to go.
I agree.
The reality is that a reality TV star and huckster did what good workers (in the carny sense) always do: work the people.
Governing is another issue.
I do very much believe that the US Senate will be in the drivers seat for much of American policy. At the very least, expect that they will demand to vet every political appointee that Drumpf will want to make, ahead of publicly being announced.
re: #141 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Speaking of the House of Horrors, I wonder if my idea of putting the new ballroom of the SW corner of the property may come to pass?
re: #138 unproven innocence
There exist easy-to-find before/after pics of most modern US presidents, so I serioulsy doubt he will want a second term. Or that he truely wants even one term.
I’d point and laugh at Trump as being the best example ever of the stupid dog that finally caught the car, but this is no joke.
People are going to get injured or killed by GOP policies and by increased hate and bigotry from the Trump movement.
One of the many things that bothers ms about this is the hatred of ‘elites’, by which they mean ‘people who actually know stuff’. As bad as Azimov thought the anti-intellectual strain in America WAS, it has now won the White House by essentially denying the value of knowledge, the value of fact, the very idea that what’s actually true matters at all.
People, do any of you remember a pundit who rewrote news stories in the style of BBC foreign correspondents? Something like, “A group of warlords occupied a nature preserve in Burns, a town in the province of Oregon.”
That’s not funny anymore!
re: #110 Dr Lizardo
This is a case of hyperbole that I’m referring to. The people who voted for Trump don’t see themselves as fascists. They see our side as freeloaders, queers, whatever, who rule over them using weapons like political correctness and use this tyranny to force them to get gay married and bake cakes. Hard to penetrate that mindset, but it’s there and it’s real, and they will refuse to believe that they’re fascists until the end of time.
Heck, Priebus, Conway, et al probably love it when you call Trump a fascist because it plays right into their hands. Sort of like the deplorable thing. We know they were deplorable, but it galvanized them and they loved calling themselves the deplorables.
This is where Obama was smart and Clinton wasn’t. He didn’t get personal. Anyway, I gotta go.
re: #144 Blind Frog Belly White
One of the many things that bothers ms about this is the hatred of ‘elites’, by which they mean ‘people who actually know stuff’. As bad as Azimov thought the anti-intellectual strain in America WAS, it has now won the White House by essentially denying the value of knowledge, the value of fact, the very idea that what’s actually true matters at all.
It is the triumph of the paranoid style in American politics. The Birchers weren’t crazy……they were just ahead of the curve.
re: #144 Blind Frog Belly White
One of the many things that bothers ms about this is the hatred of ‘elites’, by which they mean ‘people who actually know stuff’. As bad as Azimov thought the anti-intellectual strain in America WAS, it has now won the White House by essentially denying the value of knowledge, the value of fact, the very idea that what’s actually true matters at all.
The GOP has been trending this way for some time as a whole, but Trump is the distilled essence of “my ignorance is just as valid as your knowledge” attitude.
That attitude, if sufficiently widespread, is enough to doom any democracy.
re: #146 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Magic balance fairy argument. There is only one group of fascists; the party that laid a wreath on the graves of SS soldiers.
On the plus side, with the GOP in control of all three branches of government, the NRA no longer has a boogeyman to whip up the masses into a gun-buying frenzy. Maybe now, with everyone already armed to the teeth and no artificially induced panic forcing them to buy more, the gun industry finally collapses.
Gotta try to be positive, lol
re: #146 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
You claim it is hyperbole, but your reasoning boils down to ‘it’s not fascism because they don’t know what that word means’. We are literally going by the promises Trump made, that the Republicans have a majority in both houses to uphold, and a buttload of judicial nominees to approve, including the Supreme Court. What is with the magical checks and balances thinking? Trump got them a win, why would they stop him? Please don’t say concern for the country, because they have no concern for anybody not white, straight, and christian.
re: #146 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
This is a case of hyperbole that I’m referring to. The people who voted for Trump don’t see themselves as fascists. They see our side as freeloaders, queers, whatever, who rule over them using weapons like political correctness and use this tyranny to force them to get gay married and bake cakes. Hard to penetrate that mindset, but it’s there and it’s real, and they will refuse to believe that they’re fascists until the end of time.
Heck, Priebus, Conway, et al probably love it when you call Trump a fascist because it plays right into their hands. Sort of like the deplorable thing. We know they were deplorable, but it galvanized them and they loved calling themselves the deplorables.
This is where Obama was smart and Clinton wasn’t. He didn’t get personal. Anyway, I gotta go.
Sure, calling people fascist and deplorable isn’t likely to win them over. However, there
are two counter-points:
1) No other arguments seem to be effective at persuading RWNJs and RWNJ-leaners.
2) It’s the simple truth.
re: #128 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Bunch of folks though so in 1933 too. I’m not going to wait until they’re rounding up people like CL.
We must be like the Danes and every decent American must be Mexican and Muslim the way they all wore the yellow star.
Wear a white rose and resist at every chance.
re: #149 Anymouse
First, there is no such thing as a MBF argument. An argument has a premise and a conclusion. If you’re going to use terms like this, you really should know how to use them. If you’re complaining somehow that I’m equating Clinton’s use of “deplorables” with Trump’s racebaiting, I would argue that we need to drag/coax/enlighten some of these nitwits back to our side. We have to use our heads.I already made the argument (complete with premise and conclusion) that Clinton made a mistake when she used that word. While we can certainly agree with the characterization, the key here is that we are dealing with politics, and political campaigns aren’t won with debate points. It’s all about, and only about, winning support for your side.
re: #154 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
While we can certainly agree with the characterization, the key here is that we are dealing with politics, and political campaigns aren’t won with debate points. It’s all about, and only about, winning support for your side.
and not galvanizing support for the other side
re: #146 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
If I take that argument, it would imply that I’m a fascist for working in my town’s disability commission to secure the rights of people with disabilities. I say this because I have been accused of being a special interest group seeking special rights. To hear the right-wing media discuss it, I am a fascist for insisting that some store or office should accommodate a disabled person. It isn’t that I’ve heard that many times.
I’m sure my neighbors and friends who voted for Trump, to a person, deny being fascists or bigots. We don’t excuse bigotry by saying that we are bigots ourselves (even if it’s true), but we call it and fascism out for what it is.
re: #135 sagehen
His only foreign policy priority is bribing and/or strong-arming Turkey, India, Azerbaijan, etc to drop pending criminal cases against the Trump-brand real estate projects he’ll get royalties from.
His only domestic policy priorities are eliminating the inheritance tax, and punishing every media outlet that said anything unkind about him. Jeff Bezos and Kurt Eichenwald are in for a world of hurt.
Oh, and the DeutschBank thing.
He owes them hundreds of millions of dollars. They’re currently in settlement negotiations with the DoJ for various Serious.Financial.Crimes. Fines were expected to be in the tens of billions. But I’ll bet Trump has an idea in mind for a “great deal” where the bank doesn’t have to pay the fines, and he doesn’t have to pay his debts, and both of them end up very happy.
re: #143 EPR-radar
I’d point and laugh at Trump as being the best example ever of the stupid dog that finally caught the car, but this is no joke.
People are going to get injured or killed by GOP policies and by increased hate and bigotry from the Trump movement.
I know that already. My daughter knows that. Her boyfriend knows that. Her boyfriend’s best guy friend may not know that. He was shot to death on Nov 1. He was a black guy, age 30, who was living in a shed, within walking distance of here.
With Sheriff Joe Arapaio now defeated in Maricopa County, Arizona, and a very early Trump supporter, Mr. Trump is now free to appoint Mr. Arapaio as head of ICE.
A Trump speech, verbatim.
Unedited, verbatim— Donald Trump on smart people at his rally in Iowa: pic.twitter.com/1HoDEpLxw1
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 28, 2016
A small consolation for myself and my family is that we got everything we voted for/against here in Oregon, just not Hillary. I’m interested in the repercussions that are going to be coming because, while they are going to be slow in arriving, they are coming.
re: #161 Anymouse
With Sheriff Joe Arapaio now defeated in Maricopa County, Arizona, and a very early Trump supporter, Mr. Trump is now free to appoint Mr. Arapaio as head of ICE.
Just when I thought there was one small silver lining…
I just can’t
re: #154 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
I’m not sure the whole “deplorable” thing played a very big part in this campaign.
Clinton lost because she lost WI and PA.
She got less voters in WI than Obama did. Post election analysis will tell us why, but it appears to have been not enough younger people turning out.
In PA the loss is more difficult to explain. Clinton will end up with about what Obama did in 2012. However, Drumpfskind is doing much better than Romney.
The question is why? Did Romney’s Mormonism hurt him in traditionally Protestant PA? Or was it the Rust Belt of western PA that bought the spiel about MAGA and industry coming back to the area?
Those two states are what did Hillary in. She would have won with them.
Meanwhile, in FL, it appears as if enough Cuban voters stayed with the Republican party. This is telling. But Drumpf did well in other parts of the state. Perhaps all the old people in Florida just were not ready for a women leader?
Anyway, there will be much to digest. But for now, I do not think that calling out the bigots as such was that big a deal.
re: #161 Anymouse
Arpaio is caught up in court.
Of course Drumpfskind could just pardon him and get around that.
Will be funny if the LAT poll was actually the most exact one.
Trying to distract myself by buying pants. And no one has the pants I want in my size. :/
re: #169 scottslemmons
Trying to distract myself by buying pants. And no one has the pants I want in my size. :/
Look on the bright side. At least Levi’s 501’s aren’t three fucking times as expensive in the USA as they are here in Europe. (Provided you’re in the USA, of course)
*smh*
As far as analysts go, all failed in some way, but Silver was the best of the bunch.
Well, I taught my classes, hoping that Clinton would somehow pull it off. But I learned midway through my last class that Trump was now the POTUS-elect and Clinton had conceded the race. I’m not sure how effective I was as a teacher during that last hour, as demoralized as I was. And still am.
I know the nation will survive Trump. There are enough Democrats in Congress to hopefully slow down a Republican takeover, but that will depend on a Democrat Party that is organized and committed as a unit to oppose Trumpism. I’m not real confident about that aspect. The economy is going to suffer in the short term. Foreign powers like China and Russia are going to gain influence in the world’s affairs. Civil liberties may be eroded. But I doubt seriously Trump will be able to build a wall, deport millions of people, bring back coal (even to states that never had coal mining), or any of that other BS he spewed.
More worrisome is the permission his election will give all the racists and sexists who until now have lived on the fringes of society. They have seen someone publicly be racist and sexist, and be rewarded for it. It’s going be like 1950 all over again, a nice decade to be nostalgic about, but not one in which I’d care to live as an adult. [As a baby, I had no real choice.]
I am in shell shock now, sitting here drinking a glass of red wine* and in some ways grateful I work outside the USA so I can be spared the worst of the aftermath, but also very sad to see the great progress we achieved under Obama go down the toilet.
* I got a free bottle of French wine with an online food shipment on Monday. Some of the items I had ordered were out of stock, so the store manager sent a complimentary bottle of red by way of an apology. So, there’s that.
re: #154 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
First, there is no such thing as a MBF argument. An argument has a premise and a conclusion. If you’re going to use terms like this, you really should know how to use them. If you’re complaining somehow that I’m equating Clinton’s use of “deplorables” with Trump’s racebaiting, I would argue that we need to drag/coax/enlighten some of these nitwits back to our side. We have to use our heads.I already made the argument (complete with premise and conclusion) that Clinton made a mistake when she used that word. While we can certainly agree with the characterization, the key here is that we are dealing with politics, and political campaigns aren’t won with debate points. It’s all about, and only about, winning support for your side.
Sure there is such a thing as a magic balance fairy argument: “I won’t vote for either candidate, they are equally bad.” That would be my (ex-)boss who voted for Vermin Supreme.
You can’t drag people back who willingly went there. I’m not on Facebook nor Twitter, so I can’t make those arguments.
Wanna wade into 4chan or 8chan or Reddit or any of a number of Pepe forums on Facebook and make your arguments? Have at it, Hoss.
The two sides are not the same, and Clinton did not call everyone “deplorable.” She was referring to those on the so-called alt-right (those folk that elected Senator-elect David Duke). You want to try to reason with the majority of Louisiana voters that wanted a Klansman as a senator?
My military disability hangs on a caveat that I can be recalled to active duty. Do you really think there is no difference between what the alt-right wants to do with the military and what Mrs. Clinton would do?
On good news though, my Canadian money is worth a whole lot more tonight. Might need it soon.
re: #170 Dr Lizardo
Look on the bright side. At least Levi’s 501’s aren’t three fucking times as expensive in the USA as they are here in Europe. (Provided you’re in the USA, of course)
*smh*
I dunno, everybody I know in the states has switched to Lee or Wrangler.
re: #172 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
More worrisome is the permission his election will give all the racists and sexists would until now have lived on the fringes of society. They have seen someone publicly be racist and sexist, and be rewarded for it. It’s going be like 1950 all over again, a nice decade to be nostalgic about, but not one in which I’d care to live as an adult. [As a baby, I had no real choice.]
I am in shell shock now, sitting here drinking a glass of red wine* and in some ways grateful I work outside the USA so I can be spared the worst of the aftermath, but also very sad to see the great progress we achieved under Obama go down the toilet.
Yeah, I’m feeling the same way. My students are in shock, and given Trump’s close ties to Putin, they’re worried what this means for the Czech Republic’s future.
I can’t imagine what the Baltic States must be thinking right now. They’re right in Putin’s crosshairs.
re: #174 Single-handed sailor
I dunno, everybody I know in the states has switched to Lee or Wrangler.
Those are ungodly expensive here as well. Seriously - a pair of Wrangler’s can fetch up to the equivalent of $150 here. Same with Lee’s.
re: #150 Whack-A-Mole
On the plus side, with the GOP in control of all three branches of government, the NRA no longer has a boogeyman to whip up the masses into a gun-buying frenzy. Maybe now, with everyone already armed to the teeth and no artificially induced panic forcing them to buy more, the gun industry finally collapses.
Gotta try to be positive, lol
Just you wait. I have a friend on FB who is scared of Muslims and Sharia Law, even though she won’t encounter any follower of Islam in her little historic neighborhood.
She’s white. Perfect demographic.
FWIW, Drumpf is doing worse here in CA than Romney did.
Clinton is even winning Orange county.
So don’t blame us - The Republic of California tried to keep y’all from committing national seppuku.
re: #151 Bass Reeves
Please don’t say concern for the country, because they have no concern for anybody not white, straight, and christian.
And male.
I also gotta ask: how many of those polls are actually fake? And before you think I’m going all tinfoil, recall the Research 2000 debacle.
re: #181 Nyet
Or the people who responded lied?
re: #176 Dr Lizardo
Those are ungodly expensive here as well. Seriously - a pair of Wrangler’s can fetch up to the equivalent of $150 here. Same with Lee’s.
I had a workmate that would load up a suitcase or two of Levis to take and sell in Australia on his vacation, he’d make enough to buy a fresh wardrobe down there.
re: #165 freetoken
I’m not sure the whole “deplorable” thing played a very big part in this campaign.
Clinton lost because she lost WI and PA.
She got less voters in WI than Obama did. Post election analysis will tell us why, but it appears to have been not enough younger people turning out.
In PA the loss is more difficult to explain. Clinton will end up with about what Obama did in 2012. However, Drumpfskind is doing much better than Romney.
The question is why? Did Romney’s Mormonism hurt him in traditionally Protestant PA? Or was it the Rust Belt of western PA that bought the spiel about MAGA and industry coming back to the area?
Those two states are what did Hillary in. She would have won with them.
Meanwhile, in FL, it appears as if enough Cuban voters stayed with the Republican party. This is telling. But Drumpf did well in other parts of the state. Perhaps all the old people in Florida just were not ready for a women leader?
Anyway, there will be much to digest. But for now, I do not think that calling out the bigots as such was that big a deal.
I think the Comey thing was big. It was during voting and reinforced perceptions especially amongst younger voters who were already skeptical.
re: #179 freetoken
I have Facebook friends who cheer on The Crusades.
Really.
Careful what you wish for! We have something in common with the Crusades era: A demobilized, and discontented army that needed a war to fight. They found one, to our everlasting regret.
re: #170 Dr Lizardo
Look on the bright side. At least Levi’s 501’s aren’t three fucking times as expensive in the USA as they are here in Europe. (Provided you’re in the USA, of course)
*smh*
Foo, I’m too fat to wear jeans. I have to wear khakis, and there aren’t many styles that fit me right.
Anyway, I didn’t sleep any. I just kept thinking of more things to make me worried. The jobs I’ve been looking for have generally been at universities — and if the Kansas Experiment goes nationwide, a lot of colleges and universities are going away. :(
re: #175 Dr Lizardo
Yeah, I’m feeling the same way. My students are in shock, and given Trump’s close ties to Putin, they’re worried what this means for the Czech Republic’s future.
I can’t imagine what the Baltic States must be thinking right now. They’re right in Putin’s crosshairs.
I have only anecdotal evidence, but I get the feeling the young people of China were in Clinton’s court, while the older generation (and especially the Party leaders) were more for Trump. My freshmen anyway understood my mood in that last hour. TBH, I’ve been disappointed by election results before (Reagan, Bush I and II) but not crushed emotionally as I am now. The USA I have grown to appreciate over these last 60 years is, AFAIC, mostly gone. I had hoped the American public would realize what a shyster Trump was and at least not vote for him if they couldn’t bear Clinton, but I should have never underestimated the stupidity of the American voter. They swallowed Trump’s bait hook, line and sinker. I can only hope that sometime within the next year or so they realize what a colossally idiotic choice they made.
And yeah, the eastern European states have the right to be worried. Trump would probably refuse to join with NATO in resisting Russian incursions, even though the USA is bound by treaty to do so.
re: #175 Dr Lizardo
Aren’t you closer to SE Asia than us? How could the jeans be more expensive, as they are physically made closer to you? O_o
If Mr. Trump were to put together some sort of “round ‘em up” national deportation force, who do you think he is going to use for that?
There is no way you could simply hire enough people to do those house to house searches under ICE director Joe Arapaio.
It will be the military. And since there aren’t even enough of those, it will be people like me who can be recalled to active duty.
You wanna know what a real god damn moral dilemma is? If I were to get such an order (report for duty) - I affirmed to uphold and defend the Constitution, and the government about to take power was legitimately elected.
re: #184 MsJ
I think the Comey thing was big. It was during voting and reinforced perceptions especially amongst younger voters who were already skeptical.
Oh yeah. The Comey Effect played a big part in the election results, no doubt about it.
That nothingburger’s start and end couldn’t have been more perfectly timed - inflicting as much damage as possible at the start of early voting and convincing minds at the very end of the campaigns while retracting after the damage had been done so as to provide the appearance of legitimacy…
re: #186 scottslemmons
Foo, I’m too fat to wear jeans. I have to wear khakis, and there aren’t many styles that fit me right.
Anyway, I didn’t sleep any. I just kept thinking of more things to make me worried. The jobs I’ve been looking for have generally been at universities — and if the Kansas Experiment goes nationwide, a lot of colleges and universities are going away. :(
I have not worn blue jeans since my 50th birthday, still have a pair of black and a pair of white jeans.
re: #188 Amory Blaine
Aren’t you closer to SE Asia than us? How could the jeans be more expensive, as they are physically made closer to you? O_o
I don’t know about Levi’s and Rustler, but my Wranglers are made in Mexico..
re: #186 scottslemmons
Anyway, I didn’t sleep any. I just kept thinking of more things to make me worried. The jobs I’ve been looking for have generally been at universities — and if the Kansas Experiment goes nationwide, a lot of colleges and universities are going away. :(
They won’t go away, they will just be privatized…
I just can’t
Another thing to consider: MN, which ought to be a gimme, looks like it will be very close. Clinton looks to carry it by a slim margin.
But here is the important part: She is losing all over the state except in the urban area (Minneapolis city proper, and the county that includes St. Paul) and the far NE (which, after all, is almost Canada.)
Yet in those same parts of the state, voters are sending back Democratic congressmen.
This, I propose, is where those large “negatives” of Clinton came into play. I don’t know if it was the Comey thing or not that reinforced “criminal” Hillary in the minds of voters.
The Democratic Congressmen are winning by very small margins. But at least they are winning.
re: #192 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I don’t know about Levi’s and Rustler, but my Wranglers are made in Mexico..
Probably a Trump brand then.
Wisconsin is a lost cause for progressives. Finished.
re: #196 Nyet
Or simply didn’t bother to vote.
Or voted for purity fairy Stein or Vermin Supreme or wrote in some other favourite “not Clinton”
re: #188 Amory Blaine
Aren’t you closer to SE Asia than us? How could the jeans be more expensive, as they are physically made closer to you? O_o
American brands like Levi’s, Wrangler’s and Lee’s are considered prestige labels here, like designer jeans; thus, they command an exorbitantly high price.
re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I have only anecdotal evidence, but I get the feeling the young people of China were in Clinton’s court, while the older generation (and especially the Party leaders) were more for Trump. My freshmen anyway understood my mood in that last hour. TBH, I’ve been disappointed by election results before (Reagan, Bush I and II) but not crushed emotionally as I am now. The USA I have grown to appreciate over these last 60 years is, AFAIC, mostly gone. I had hoped the American public would realize what a shyster Trump was and at least not vote for him if they couldn’t bear Clinton, but I should have never underestimated the stupidity of the American voter. They swallowed Trump’s bait hook, line and sinker. I can only hope that sometime within the next year or so they realize what a colossally idiotic choice they made.
And yeah, the eastern European states have the right to be worried. Trump would probably refuse to join with NATO in resisting Russian incursions, even though the USA is bound by treaty to do so.
Makes sense. Trump won’t be as supportive of Japan. For all of his bluster about China, he’ll be easier for the leadership to manage.
re: #194 freetoken
Another thing to consider: MN, which ought to be a gimme, looks like it will be very close. Clinton looks to carry it by a slim margin.
But here is the important part: She is losing all over the state except in the urban area (Minneapolis city proper, and the county that includes St. Paul) and the far NE (which, after all, is almost Canada.)
Yet in those same parts of the state, voters are sending back Democratic congressmen.
This, I propose, is where those large “negatives” of Clinton came into play. I don’t know if it was the Comey thing or not that reinforced “criminal” Hillary in the minds of voters.
The Democratic Congressmen are winning by very small margins. But at least they are winning.
There is a couple who normally vote for Democrats in my parish. They voted for Trump out of hatred and fear of Clinton.
~30 years of propaganda takes a toll on truth.
re: #197 Amory Blaine
Wisconsin is a lost cause for progressives. Finished.
So, how did that happen?
Sure, I know Joe McCarthy came from the state and the rural areas can be very rural up north, but is that enough to explain it?
re: #201 William Lewis
~30 years of propaganda takes a toll on truth.
Yup.
Baked-in.
Never to be removed.
re: #203 freetoken
Yup.
Baked-in.
Never to be removed.
And those would be the people the person up the thread argued we should try to get to see the light and leave the party which now has crowned racists and bigots as supreme.
re: #202 freetoken
As a Wisconisnite, it’s more than just ‘up north’ that’s rural. Most everything outside of Milwaukee and Madison proper is rural, at least in mindset. Even the Fox Valley, which is built up enough to be considered urban, has a rural mindset.
I really believe it has to do with a lack of exposure to minorities and people different than themselves.
re: #197 Amory Blaine
Wisconsin is a lost cause for progressives. Finished.
There’s that fifty-state strategy working again.
I suppose that is why my representative won 100% of the vote: he ran unopposed.
Looking at our ballot measures out here:
Californians still love their death penalty.
They love weed even more.
They don’t love plastic bags.
They like their porn without condoms. (To be fair, it was a wacky measure.)
re: #208 freetoken
Looking at our ballot measures out here:
Californians still love their death penalty.
They love weed even more.
They don’t love plastic bags.
They like their porn without condoms. (To be fair, it was a wacky measure.)
Porn is about fantasy, and nobody fantasizes about having sex with a condom…even while having sex with one on.
re: #208 freetoken
Looking at our ballot measures out here:
Californians still love their death penalty.
They love weed even more.
They don’t love plastic bags.
They like their porn without condoms. (To be fair, it was a wacky measure.)
They love weed but reject plastic baggies? Man, things must have changed a lot in the drug scene since I was a teenager. /
Final vote in my precinct (Broadwater):
REP Donald J. Trump and Michael R. Pence 128 86.49%
DEM Party Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine 10 6.76%
LIB Party Gary Johnson and Bill Weld 8 5.41%
PET Party Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka 2 1.35%
Total Votes 148 100%
One precinct in my county went 100% for Mr. Trump.
We were third highest for Mr. Trump.
Statewide, the death penalty reinstatement referendum won by 61-39%.
re: #211 Anymouse
Final vote in my precinct (Broadwater):
Statewide, the death penalty reinstatement referendum won by 61-39%.
Americans love to kill people.
Even here in California.
Wow, an honest journalist:
Simon Maloy
salon.com, Salon political writer
I am sorry. In my capacity as a media figure, I too often treated Trump as a joke, a bumbling incompetent, someone who obviously could not be treated seriously as a legitimate candidate for the presidency. Now I can only think that I was too hidebound by conventional wisdom, too comfortably out of touch to see what was in front of me. I succumbed to the sideshow element of this awful race more times than I can be comfortable with. I own this failure too.
Good news: Car Thief has fallen behind Applegate.
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re: #212 freetoken
Americans love to kill people.
Even here in California.
We repealed the death penalty. Gov. Ricketts vetoed the bill, the Unicameral overrode his veto.
Gov. Ricketts then financed out of his own pocket a referendum to place on the ballot (it is very hard to organise a ballot referendum here), then helped finance the death penalty repeal-repeal PAC that was set up.
This is what you get when you have billionaires running government. He could buy the restoration of the death penalty.
Morning Lizards. We’re fucked. Have a good day.
Week after week, the press kept saying Hillary had a 90+% chance of winning.
re: #217 Amory Blaine
Week after week, the press kept saying Hillary had a 90+% chance of winning.
Which gave purity fairies the permission they needed to vote for ponies and others to stay home and say “she’s got this.”
As they say, the only poll that matters is the one on Election Day.
re: #217 Amory Blaine
Week after week, the press kept saying Hillary had a 90+% chance of winning.
I never seriously worried about it, just about the size of her mandate…
1. The White Evangelical Christian vote was Trump’s from the get-go. This is a solid 30% of the country. If they are not happy with Trump’s first month in office in supporting their specific religious vendetta they will quickly start impeachment to place Pence in the Oval Office.
More importantly however,
2. Trump usurped the language of traditional Democratic union protectionist rhetoric and made the Republican Party out to be the ones who will throw up trade barriers in order to force manufacturing to set up shop here. This is traditional Democrat territory up until the 1990s and Pres Clinton (irony). Traditional manufacturing states flipped to Trump and expect him to follow through. The Democrat Party has been succefully branded by the GOP as the Party of Wall Street. It’s hard to argue with this as both parties dance to the tune.
The big Takeway:
Prices for common goods, esp technology are going to rise dramatically. TV’s, iPhones, cheap clothing, all going to rise as trade barriers are built. Interest Rates are going to rise quickly as he follows through on his own sense of monetary policy. If you plan to buy a house or Refi, do it quickly. Civil Rights will fall low low low on the totem pole of concerns. World despots will danc with glee as Youtube is filled with American police officers flagrantly violating civil rights with no repurcussions. Obamacare is going away, in its place…. nothing. I’ve got mine. Screw you.
.@NateSilver538 Yes. You were right that there was far more uncertainty than we were accounting for. I apologize. Gonna stick to punditry.
— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) November 9, 2016
Looking at my local races, I’m glad to see several of the people for whom I voted are winning, or at least getting seats on local boards.
re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Wow, an honest journalist:
salon.com, Salon political writer
I am sorry. In my capacity as a media figure, I too often treated Trump as a joke, a bumbling incompetent, someone who obviously could not be treated seriously as a legitimate candidate for the presidency. Now I can only think that I was too hidebound by conventional wisdom, too comfortably out of touch to see what was in front of me. I succumbed to the sideshow element of this awful race more times than I can be comfortable with. I own this failure too.
Only after-the-fact. Salon made just as much money off Trump with clicks as every other traditional and non-traditional media outlet.
I’ll bet he’s even more sorry if there isn’t a Salon in four years.
Hillary has taken the lead in the popular vote.
But CNN hasn’t updated their “winner” checkmark by Drumpfskind.
Probably they hand code these things on the web page?
I’ll admit that I voted third-party in a very Red state (SC), since I knew that a vote for Hillary would go nowhere in the EC, and I hoped that breaking 5% would get some campaign money from the government into their hands.
Did I do this wrong?
re: #224 freetoken
Hillary has taken the lead in the popular vote.
But CNN hasn’t updated their “winner” checkmark by Drumpfskind.
Probably they hand code these things on the web page?
Popular vote does not win elections. Electoral votes do.
You can win the election by ten million votes or more in the popular vote and still lose.
In a half hour my work night is done. I am going to go home and get into the beer and Famous Grouse. If my coherencey drops and my anger increases, well, you’ll know why…
re: #225 taserian
I’ll admit that I voted third-party in a very Red state (SC), since I knew that a vote for Hillary would go nowhere in the EC, and I hoped that breaking 5% would get some campaign money from the government into their hands.
Did I do this wrong?
No, not really though in a winner take all system, that 5% is just for show. But I will give BernieBros crap for years to come.
re: #225 taserian
I’ll admit that I voted third-party in a very Red state (SC), since I knew that a vote for Hillary would go nowhere in the EC, and I hoped that breaking 5% would get some campaign money from the government into their hands.
Did I do this wrong?
Yes.
We lost our only Democratic representative from our state because of third-party voters.
The Constitution, though it does not specify parties, is set up so that elections are first past the post. Every vote for a non-viable third party candidate is a vote for the one who is ahead.
In the case of the Presidential election, presuming for the sake of argument that McMullin, Stein, and Johnson could have taken electoral votes, and no one won the election, it is decided in the Current House of Representatives, where each state gets one vote and the Speaker is Acting President until that is decided.
re: #232 Joe Bacon
Ayn Rand has won.
Well, she did say the Libertarian Party was mostly poseurs. The real Rand acolytes have always been the Republican Party.
re: #228 Anymouse
You can win the election by ten million votes or more in the popular vote and still lose.
Not in practice, though.
Bush lost to Gore by only 500k votes.
But what we’re going to see here is a noticeably larger margin.
The mechanics of the US Constitution are one thing. Popular opinion is another. Regardless of the magical thinking of the religious right about how every jot and tittle of the Constitution is to be followed as if the Word of God, in the larger picture our society is slowly changing.
Drumpfskind winning is a victory for style over substance.
But this is a luxury we have when our economy is good.
Too many Americans this time thought they had the luxury of sitting this one out.
That may not be true in 2 or 4 years.
And this is where the popular vote counts - it really does reflect that a majority of people who cared to vote really did not choose Drumpf, and it is unlikely they will change their minds in 2 or 4 years.
The kids are not alright.
Young whites, ages 18-29, seem to have opted for Trump, per exits 48%-42%. (That wasn’t something we saw in the polling …)
— Asma Khalid (@asmamk) November 9, 2016
re: #235 freetoken
Not in practice, though.
Bush lost to Gore by only 500k votes.
But what we’re going to see here is a noticeably larger margin.
The mechanics of the US Constitution are one thing. Popular opinion is another. Regardless of the magical thinking of the religious right about how every jot and tittle of the Constitution is to be followed as if the Word of God, in the larger picture our society is slowly changing.
Drumpfskind winning is a victory for style over substance.
But this is a luxury we have when our economy is good.
Too many Americans this time thought they had the luxury of sitting this one out.
That may not be true in 2 or 4 years.
And this is where the popular vote counts - it really does reflect that a majority of people who cared to vote really did not choose Drumpf, and it is unlikely they will change their minds in 2 or 4 years.
Yeah, next up is the 2018 mid-terms, and the Democrats desperately need to get back to the 50-state strategy.
re: #236 Nyet
The kids are not alright.
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That is a surprise. A most unpleasant and disturbing one.
re: #235 freetoken
I’m still trying to decide what to do if ICE Director Joe Arapaio decides to begin kicking in doors for his roundup and I am recalled to active duty.
re: #236 Nyet
Again, exit polling only polls those who voted.
The big problem, I suspect, is that a lot of young people just didn’t show up to vote (and thus would not have been exit polled.)
But do you know which young person group would show up? Fundamentalist Christians, who went to vote against abortion.
re: #238 Dr Lizardo
It really doesn’t surprise me. This is a generation that grew up on the internet, exposed to trolls every day. It doesn’t shock me that they would not be fazed by political campaign that is the real-world equivalent of an internet troll.
re: #239 Anymouse
You keep going on about Arpaio but not only was he kicked out of office, he still had legal problems.
re: #16 scottslemmons
The French are already incredibly racist and won’t need much of a push to jump into fascism.
No they’re not and no they won’t.
The French are somewhat racist, and there is no conceivable way that Marine Le Pen will ever be elected.
France has a two round electoral system, the biggest winners of the first round go onto a second round. Marine can pick up up to 6-7 million votes in the first round but she needs another 7-8 million to win the second round. There is no available reservoir of votes for her — If she is in the second round it’s against a candidate from the “republican” right and there is no way Marine would pick up enough votes from the left.
re: #243 The Vicious Babushka
Day 1 of 1000 Years of Darkness.
Even though we’ve all grown up with the comforting myth that the good guys always win, history proves that’s not always such a sure bet.
re: #242 freetoken
You keep going on about Arpaio but not only was he kicked out of office, he still had legal problems.
Arapaio has been one of Trump’s strongest supporters, and the erstwhile sheriff is only facing a misdemeanour charge. You don’t suppose Attorney General Rudy Giuliani would recommend a pardon to Mr. Trump?
re: #240 freetoken
Good point. But in practical terms non-voters are useless.
re: #244 John Hughes
No they’re not and no they won’t.
The French are somewhat racist, and there is no conceivable way that Marine Le Pen will ever be elected.
France has a two round electoral system, the biggest winners of the first round go onto a second round. Marine can pick up up to 6-7 million votes in the first round but she needs another 7-8 million to win the second round. There is no available reservoir of votes for her — If she is in the second round it’s against a candidate from the “republican” right and there is no way Marine would pick up enough votes from the left.
The way the French system works, it’s almost impossible for Le Pen to win. In any event, she makes it to the second round, the Left and the “republican” Right will unite to keep her out. They did that to her father, IIRC.
re: #239 Anymouse
I’m still trying to decide what to do if ICE Director Joe Arapaio decides to begin kicking in doors for his roundup and I am recalled to active duty.
Tell them, “No. I do not follow illegal orders.”
If told, “Such actions have been made legal,” reply, “Then I do not do evil things.”
“there is no conceivable way that Marine Le Pen will ever be elected.”
Just like Trump.
I have to put my game face on and be happy I’m starting a new job today. Who knows how long it will last?
Under Obama I was able to put away a retirement nest egg, now who knows how long it will last?
re: #248 Nyet
Good point. But in practical terms non-voters are useless.
Which presents the real challenge, and purpose, of a political party.
The Democratic party has to figure out how to engage new voters, and to convince young people to tear away from whatever they are doing long enough to go vote.
re: #244 John Hughes
No they’re not and no they won’t.
The French are somewhat racist, and there is no conceivable way that Marine Le Pen will ever be elected.
France has a two round electoral system, the biggest winners of the first round go onto a second round. Marine can pick up up to 6-7 million votes in the first round but she needs another 7-8 million to win the second round. There is no available reservoir of votes for her — If she is in the second round it’s against a candidate from the “republican” right and there is no way Marine would pick up enough votes from the left.
That’s how Louisiana’s system works, and that’s what they said about Senator-elect David Duke (and his felony conviction for attempting to overthrow a sovereign nation).
Never underestimate the power of bigots in large numbers. Hitler was a minor party candidate. Pol Pot lived in the forest in Cambodia for how many years? &c &c
History is replete with underestimating horrible politicians.
So when does Putin play his hand? Does he go soon, or will he wait it out until November?
re: #254 Anymouse
Duke only got 3% of the vote. He ended up way down the list.
re: #255 GlutenFreeJesus
So when does Putin play his hand? Does he go soon, or will he wait it out until November?
He’ll wait until Trump is sworn in. Then he makes his move.
Baltic States first? Or maybe take the rest of Ukraine.
So many opportunities have just opened up for him.
He’s not my president. He will never be my president. I want him to fail.
re: #257 Dr Lizardo
Yup. My thoughts as well.
Looks like the total popular vote will be about 120 million.
This is down 5% from 2012.
Which means the turnout will be below 50%.
Which is pretty damn low for a Presidential election.
re: #256 freetoken
Duke only got 3% of the vote. He ended up way down the list.
I was under the impression he won.
I must have gotten bad information. I went to the Louisiana Sec’y of State Website.
The winner was John Kennedy (R) with 25% of the vote.
re: #258 Dr. Matt
He’s not my president. He will never be my president. I want him to fail.
I seem to recall Republicans saying that about President Obama.
I do not want him to fail, because a failure of the Presidency affects everyone. (See James Buchanan)
I am not hopeful, but I would like to see him staff his offices with competent people to make up for his stunning lack of knowledge of governance.
re: #259 GlutenFreeJesus
Yup. My thoughts as well.
Trump won’t do shit to stop him. And when that happens, NATO won’t be worth a damn thing - it’ll be every man for himself. Hell, Turkey’s Erdogan has been cozying up to Putin for the last couple months or so. I personally thought that was a big mistake, but maybe Erdogan has a more subtly instinctive grasp of politics than I gave him credit for.
The previous low for a turnout was… Bill Clinton’s re-election, with a VAP of 49%.
I suspect this year’s VAP will be around 47%.
Well, time for me to get ready for work.
Despite the loss and my extreme disappointment in my fellow citizens, life and America continue.
Commentators over at Sam Wang’s blog are equal parts conspiracy theory (the election was stolen) or throwing Sam under the bus (you lied to us)
Ok let’s not take it to the extremes. Occupation has to be manageable. Baltics are right out. Parts of Ukraine, Belarus, Abkhazia, Transnistria.
re: #266 Anymouse
Sam was wrong.
Plain and simple.
His reanalysis will be something to behold.
Anyway, demographic models failed. They did not account for the deep negatives of the candidates enough.
I wonder what tonight’s South Park episode will be like.
re: #268 Nyet
Ok let’s not take it to the extremes. Occupation has to be manageable. Baltics are right out. Parts of Ukraine, Belarus, Abkhazia, Transnistria.
Then the Sudetenland and Danzig.
re: #267 Amory Blaine
I was way off.
littlegreenfootballs.com
A lot of us were. And so were a lot of pollsters, statisticians, analysts, etc. There was more enthusiasm for Trump than I’d imagined and I didn’t anticipate that, combined with what appears to be historically low voter turnout for a presidential election cycle.
I hand over the mantle to @RealDonaldTrump! Many congratulations. You have fought a brave campaign. pic.twitter.com/txD3RFMQ2l
— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) November 9, 2016
Tweet isn’t displaying correctly in Firefox, a video of Donald Trump talking with Nigel Farage.
Farage tweeted:
I hand over the mantle to Donald Trump. Many congratulations. You fought a brave campaign.
Investors see no let up to market bloodbath if Trump wins presidency https://t.co/575JSjz4Jz pic.twitter.com/1dEzPfCGzk
— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) November 9, 2016
re: #278 Archangelus
Today-the 9th of November-marks the anniversary of the beginning of Kristallnacht. You know, when a fascist party began its directed action against a group of people who were deemed unworthy of even basic human decency.
re: #30 Flavia
The sad thing is that I was serious. If I were a single woman & someone needed saving from having to live under Trump, I would do it.
I’m not a single woman and I am considering the same thing. A long with chain migration, my dad has tech skills. Do ya’ll think someone can learn to code in 90 days?
I couldn’t sleep at all last night.
Hillary should have chosen Kim Kardashian as her running mate.
re: #282 Lancelot Link
Here’s something i never thought i would endorse; not in a million years.
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Fuck me.
I’m saving this for future use for when Republican voters realize how much they screwed up - and reckon i’ll be using it rather sparingly:
I guess I am not getting any work done today.
re: #289 Emptor scriptor Remorse
I guess I am not getting any work done today.
Welcome to the club… :—I
I haven’t even checked the news. Went to FB and figured it out very quickly. My post this morning:
So, I guess I don’t even have to get on the news to see what happened. I’m sick and disgusted. I feel so sad for my husband who is going to have a lot of very frightened students. I feel for my daughters who are going to have to deal with some very freaked out friends and fellow students. If you voted for Trump, unfriend me now, because I want nothing to do with you, ever. Do it now because if I find out after the fact, I’ll do it for you. If you were in a battleground state where your vote could have prevented this, but you wanted to make a statement by voting third party, fuck you, and unfriend me, too, because your “principles” apparently mean more than real lives do. So yeah, fuck you, too.
I think I’m going to stay off any social media for now.
I don’t know what Obama can get done between now and his last day in office, but I say he should go all out with whatever initiatives, executive orders and what not he can push till the very end…
Mini-Drumpf surrogate already warming up to Big-Drumpf:
With Trump win, ‘clean slate’ for PH-US ties - Pimentel
The victory of Donald Trump as the next US president gives the Philippines and its oldest ally a chance to start on a “clean slate,” Senate President Aquilino PImentel III said on Wednesday, November 9.
Pimentel said in an interview with reporters that the incoming US administration has not yet criticized the Duterte intensified war on drugs, which is supposedly at the root of the Philippine leader’s anti-US rants.
“Since this is a new administration or a new leader, we could always start with a clean slate. We have a new US president who was not yet negatively commented on a program of the Philippine government so clean slate,” the Senate leader said.
[…]
Since the so-called Freedom Caucus absolutely despises Rep. Paul Ryan and were mulling ousting him, I wonder who they would put forward as a replacement for Ryan?
Darryl Issa if he wins? Louie Gohmert?
Google for:
Wired Sam Wang unsung hero
Boy did that article age poorly in just one day.
re: #238 Dr Lizardo
That is a surprise. A most unpleasant and disturbing one.
The GOP has been throwing shit on Clinton for 25 years…and Millennials kept saying they absolutely hated her.
That being said…I didn’t expect that either.
re: #297 Scottishdragon
The GOP has been throwing shit on Clinton for 25 years…and Millennials kept saying they absolutely hated her.
That being said…I didn’t expect that either.
Well, those that hate her will get their wish. Expect prosecutions (Trump promised that too)
I never drink. Last night I drank a half-bottle of rum (mixed with Coca-Cola) and fell asleep. I’m on vacation for the next 12 days, but wouldn’t you know it, I woke up at the same time I do every day to go to work (5:10 am). I have a headache. I am gobsmacked.
Tasks for today:
* Get appointment with Dr. ShrinkyDink (psychiatrist) for another prescription for Ativan. It’s been a few years, but I don’t think I can stay calm, not with that …
* File the paperwork for a passport.
Tomorrow my brother is going on a well-deserved vacation and I am going to be caring for my elderly mother. Yesterday I was reminded what that included—cleaning up after her accidents. But I was very insistent—go, go, I said. So I’ll deal. Just like I’ll deal with the short-fingered vulgarian.
At least we’re getting rid of Joe Arpaio.
I would like to wish The Vicious Babushka (Alouette) a very happy first day of work!
It just hit me. I am now over qualified to be President of The U.S.
Wow.
re: #262 Anymouse
I seem to recall Republicans saying that about President Obama.
I do not want him to fail, because a failure of the Presidency affects everyone. (See James Buchanan)
I am not hopeful, but I would like to see him staff his offices with competent people to make up for his stunning lack of knowledge of governance.
That terrifies me.
Those competent people are going to do really fucking bad things.
They already announced they will get rid of all the civil service protection rules and gut the government to reinstate a form of the spoils system.
He will fire any military officer who says what he doesn’t want to hear. Giuliani as AG will persecute Trump’s critics and foes and protect Trump. Black Lives Matter may well be labeled as a terror group and members prosecuted under federal laws. Newspapers will be bankrupted under libel law interpretations and publishers will be investigated by federal agents.
These are things he actually said he wanted to do.
As expected, Hillary presently leading the popular vote over tRump by 137752 votes and rising.
The damned electorate college needs to go the way of the dodo.
re: #300 Emptor scriptor Remorse
I would like to wish The Vicious Babushka (Alouette) a very happy first day of work!
That is one thing to be happy about! Another—Sheriff Joe Arpaio finally lost an election.
re: #298 Anymouse
Well, those that hate her will get their wish. Expect prosecutions (Trump promised that too)
Obama can issue a blanket pardon or the Clintons need to make preparations to flee the country as political refugees.
I said that last summer and it looks pretty damned likely that an AG Giuliani will try to have them both in a federal prison.
This didn’t take long:
Well, George Wallace didn’t get elected, but it appears Wallace 2.0 did, with a bad hair upgrade.
re: #303 Archangelus
As expected, Hillary presently leading the popular vote over tRump by 137752 votes and rising.
The damned electorate college needs to go the way of the dodo.
Every state should have proportional results. That would mean the EC would hew a lot closer to the popular vote and every state would matter for campaigning.
Speaking of which.
Yes there is no absolute way to test one-time probabilistic predictions, true. One could say e.g. that the analysts weren’t wrong, Trump just got lucky with his 1 to 30% probability etc.
But the point of running simulations is to test all available combinations of results taking into account the polling margins of error. Basically then the predictions are based on the variability. And we can actually assess variability by comparing polls to the actual results. So this is basically a test for all the models: who better predicts variability on which the resulting prediction is based. And it is now clear who was right about the variability in this election.
re: #306 freetoken
I am sure we will be hearing quite a bit about Putin and Russia for the next few years.
Mexican Peso now up 8.38% in less than twelve hours.
Canadian Dollar up 1.17.
The US Dollar is getting pummelled. I’m glad I don’t have any savings to lose, as the markets are getting destroyed.
On the other hand, the GOP can move to abolish the VA and good-bye disability.
re: #308 Scottishdragon
National Vote Compact. We can forget about it.
re: #311 Anymouse
There is no reason to believe the VA will be abolished.
It will just continue underfunded as always.
re: #308 Scottishdragon
Every state should have proportional results. That would mean the EC would hew a lot closer to the popular vote and every state would matter for campaigning.
Not a chance the Electoral College will ever be abolished. (Hurdle for amendments is too high.)
The only way to get a popular vote would be with the National Popular Vote Compact, and that seems dead too. (That compact would bind states to vote for the national popular vote winner when enough states have adopted it to reach 270 electoral votes. About a third of the necessary votes have signed up to the compact.)
What will happen:
1) International treaties under current negotiation will be upended;
2) the USSC will be stacked with anti-abortionists;
3) ACA will be gutted, if not completely revoked.
That’s pretty much all I see out of this.
Oh, and a lot of despots around the world will feel free to do whatever, knowing the US isn’t going to shine a light on them.
re: #314 Eventual Carrion
Outright fraud unlikely, but rampant voter suppression was evident.
re: #258 Dr. Matt
He’s not my president. He will never be my president. I want him to fail.
We are now in an alternative reality: he can fail bigger as President than he ever did as a businessman and will be lauded for it while other take the blame.
I just can’t…
I am SS disability and medicare. My substitute teaching is a sideline since disability doesn’t cover all the bills.
I will likely loose both of them if Ryan has his way.
Those are the immediate stakes this election had for me.
re: #314 Eventual Carrion
I blame massive voter fraud.
Seems unlikely. Too many different diffuse systems used by the fifty states and DC. Individuals who count votes who are supervised by observers from both parties.
Nope, much more likely we just have a bunch of fascist wannabes in the country. As I mentioned in the last thread, democratic governance is always only one election from extinction.
Apparently, there were more than enough people in the right places that wanted to extinguish democracy.
Perhaps Rev. Martin Luther King was wrong about which way his moral arc of the universe bends.
The US just let Bannon and the “Alt Right” (rebranded white nationalists) into our White House.
re: #309 Nyet
The final 538 model gave Drumpf a nearly 30% chance of winning.
Mostly, the electoral college dynamics were there all the time. That one candidate would end up with the EVs and the other with the popular vote was also a topic that Silver kicked around quite a bit.
re: #308 Scottishdragon
Every state should have proportional results. That would mean the EC would hew a lot closer to the popular vote and every state would matter for campaigning.
I think it should be retained but only for the case that no candidate gains a clear majority of popular votes
Huffington Post is overwhelmed with commentators gloating over a Trump victory and Stein and Bernie-or-Busters saying it’s the Democrats fault that Trump was elected.
Gaaa. (I can’t imagine Deadbart’s commentary section, or Steve Bannon as the director of the Broadcasting Board of Governors - Voice of America and Radio Free Europe.)
The news writers are at it again, with their headlines:
How Donald Trump put together such a strong showing
But in reality Drumpf didn’t get any more popular vote than Romney.
What happened is that Hillary lost about 4 million votes in key states, compared to Obama.
re: #320 Anymouse
Perhaps Rev. Martin Luther King was wrong about which way his moral arc of the universe bends.
Dr King was staggeringly wrong about that, and I am sick to death of people who keep repeating that line.
There is no moral arc to the universe, and there is no guaranteed march of history towards enlightenment, justice or peace.
Hobbes had it right:
“For the laws of nature (as justice, equity, modesty, mercy, and, in sum, doing to others as we woud be done to) of themselves, without the terror of some power, to cause them to be observed, are contrary to our natural passions, that carry us to partiality, pride, revenge and the like.
***
“During the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that conditions called war; and such a war, as if of every man, against every man.
“To this war of every man against every man, this also in consequent; that nothing can be unjust. The notions of right and wrong, justice and injustice have there no place. Where there is no common power, there is no law, where no law, no injustice. Force, and fraud, are in war the cardinal virtues.
“No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.”
re: #323 freetoken
Lots of partisans don’t like nuance, they need one clear number to hang their hopes on. Silver was too nuanced for many, so they had to accuse him of unskewing, of putting his finger on the scale to help the horse race narrative (because ESPN) and of other desperate CTs.
re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I think it should be retained but only for the case that no candidate gains a clear majority of popular votes
What’s a “clear majority of popular votes?” 1? 10? 1,000? 100,000?
Even a million is only a third of one percent of the population (though not of the voters)
re: #322 Dr. Matt
If this stands, the Dems have yet another election while winning the popular vote
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I shared that graphic with a student of mine, and right now she’s all like “WTF?!!”
Steve Bannon, an outright white supremacist, will be a White House staffer. Unreal.
re: #326 freetoken
The news writers are at it again, with their headlines:
How Donald Trump put together such a strong showing
But in reality Drumpf didn’t get any more popular vote than Romney.
What happened is that Hillary lost about 4 million votes in key states, compared to Obama.
Trump vastly overperformed Romney in many rural counties throughout the rustbelt. Places that Romney carried by 12 in Pennsylvania were going by more than 40 points for Trump. That overwhelmed the blue precincts n Philly etc,
re: #327 Scottishdragon
Thanks, but I’ll still stick to Locke over Hobbes.
re: #329 Nyet
Oh, Nate was definitely into the horse race narrative.
It’s just that he was also the least wrong in how things turned out.
re: #330 Anymouse
What’s a “clear majority of popular votes?” 1? 10? 1,000? 100,000?
Even a million is only a third of one percent of the population (though not of the voters)
I should say “incontestable” rather than “clear”, and it would not have applied in either 2000 or 2016
Here’s what our governor says:
boston.cbslocal.com
Fuck him diagonally. Trump will.
re: #327 Scottishdragon
Actually Hobbs was wrong because I ad inadequate knowledge of anthropology and other cultures.
Do you really think MLK didn’t know about setbacks?
re: #334 William Lewis
Thanks, but I’ll still stick to Locke over Hobbes.
Hobbes and Locke were certainly on the minds of the Founders who tried to make a system that kept the “man on a horse” from taking the country.
That system failed last night, and both of those estimable gentlemen would not have been surprised.
I’m still in shock.
Haven’t slept much.
What do I tell my kids?
Husband doesn’t give a shit. Just another day.
I am heartbroken.
re: #333 Scottishdragon
I meant nationally, as far as total vote.
But you bring up a good point about rural PA. This was something that I think the DNC overlooked. In this regards I think the Democrats have to take stock of what they really consider their goals as far as constituencies.
Upstream (and downstairs) I’ve ranted on about rural America and how the divide has grown in what some like to use the term “the two Americas”.
The Democrats have to find a way to get back on the “jobs, jobs, jobs” train to reach out to the rural rust belt.
re: #332 Dr. Matt
Steve Bannon, an outright white supremacist, will be a White House staffer. Unreal.
How about Milos for Press Secretary?
I didn’t sleep much. I’m angry. I’m literally terrified of my own country. And mostly I’m heartsick. We’ve gone from one of the most optimistic, uplifting presidents of my lifetime to a malignant narcissist and sexual predator. Unreal.
I honestly have to wonder if I’ve ever had a place in my own country at all. It sure as shit doesn’t feel like it.
re: #325 Anymouse
Huffington Post is overwhelmed with commentators gloating over a Trump victory and Stein and Bernie-or-Busters saying it’s the Democrats fault that Trump was elected.
Gaaa. (I can’t imagine Deadbart’s commentary section, or Steve Bannon as the director of the Broadcasting Board of Governors - Voice of America and Radio Free Europe.)
A woman I just unfriended gave me shit because I listen to the VOA on shortwave and browse its website. “Government propaganda!”
…..
I’m not going to even unpack that one.
re: #335 freetoken
That’s because there was a horse race.
re: #346 Nyet
That’s because there was a horse race.
Of course, every 4 years.
But websites exist to be seen, and there were a lot of rather unsubstantive posts put up constantly to drive traffic.
re: #338 baileylamb
Actually Hobbs was wrong because I ad inadequate knowledge of anthropology and other cultures.
Do you really think MLK didn’t know about setbacks?
The Fall of Rome wasn’t a setback…it was the beginning of seven hundred years of night.
There are no guarantees. America as a going concern may well not survive this century. Democracy does not have to be the last word in human governance (and likely will not if history is a guide)
If the universe bends towards anything, it is death and loss. We fight against entropy.
If its any consolation to anyone, the US has never elected four Presidents to two consecutive terms in a row. So its unlikely that Trump will be more than a one termer, especially considering the amount of damage he’s likely to inflict over the next four years.
re: #333 Scottishdragon
Trump vastly overperformed Romney in many rural counties throughout the rustbelt. Places that Romney carried by 12 in Pennsylvania were going by more than 40 points for Trump. That overwhelmed the blue precincts n Philly etc,
I suppose part of this was after a while that folk on the coast continuing to deride the middle of the country, calling us hicks and rednecks and uneducated and such was just enough for Donald Trump to grab on and wrestle into a victory last night.
I might have opinions about voters in Alabama or Texas or Massachusetts whatnot, but I never, ever put them on line or tell others those opinions.
I don’t know how long I’ve heard the “flyover country” remarks and the others I listed above. Eventually people get tired of hearing it (hence the remarks about “liberal elites”).
Not sure what happens now, but being a liberal in fly-over country that has been so long ignored by my liberal brethren on the coasts, I guess hiding looks good. (I don’t expect to be reëlected in two years now.)
re: #347 freetoken
You may be confusing unsubstantive (it’s in the eye of the beholder) with dishonest, which is what Silver was accused of.
Is it too early to begin referring to the United States as the 4th Reich? ///
I have to pack myself a lunch but the thought of eating anything just makes me nauseous.
re: #350 Big Beautiful Door
If the white supremacist coalition holds, emboldened by this, not even economic woes might help…
re: #351 Anymouse
I suppose part of this was after a while that folk on the coast continuing to deride the middle of the country, calling us hicks and rednecks and uneducated and such was just enough for Donald Trump to grab on and wrestle into a victory last night.
I might have opinions about voters in Alabama or Texas or Massachusetts whatnot, but I never, ever put them on line or tell others those opinions.
I don’t know how long I’ve heard the “flyover country” remarks and the others I listed above. Eventually people get tired of hearing it (hence the remarks about “liberal elites”).
Not sure what happens now, but being a liberal in fly-over country that has been so long ignored by my liberal brethren on the coasts, I guess hiding looks good. (I don’t expect to be reëlected in two years now.)
That would be the JD Vance and Rod Dreher factor
Those coastal elites hate us and we are going to cut our own nose off just to show them what’s what!
re: #350 Big Beautiful Door
If its any consolation to anyone, the US has never elected four Presidents to two consecutive terms in a row. So its unlikely that Trump will be more than a one termer, especially considering the amount of damage he’s likely to inflict over the next four years.
Wrong: Franklin Delano Roosevelt (elected four times), followed by Harry Truman.
re: #355 Nyet
If the white supremacist coalition holds, emboldened by this, not even economic woes might help…
Well it was a very tight race, and Clinton won the popular vote, so it would take only a small shift to put a Democrat back in the White House.
re: #352 Nyet
You may be confusing unsubstantive (it’s in the eye of the beholder) with dishonest, which is what Silver was accused of.
I know, some people are always trying to find some sort of sinister motive in the likes of Silver.
I don’t think it was sinister. Just opportunistic, a way to make out with the game that was presented.
re: #354 The Vicious Babushka
I have to pack myself a lunch but the thought of eating anything just makes me nauseous.
Do you have any airline booze bottles? /s
re: #358 Big Beautiful Door
Well it was a very tight race, and Clinton won the popular vote, so it would take only a small shift to put a Democrat back in the White House.
It would take a big shift in some ways, actually, since Dems are compacted in cities and a very few liberal states. All those extra California votes were wasted.
re: #357 Anymouse
Wrong: Franklin Delano Roosevelt (elected four times), followed by Harry Truman.
That’s only five terms. Four presidents X2 terms each would be eight consecutive terms. Its never happened.
re: #348 Scottishdragon
And so, the nihilist are right. Why try of it all goes to dust anyway. Trump Clinton what does it matter? Segregation integration what’s the difference.
I’m sorry my yes rolled so far back at your post.
Yes we are upset, sad and afraid. And yes I’m looking to leave for a while, but these are the times that test our mettle.
Your attitude could lead to a life where one stops a caring or stops trying to do good.
If I leave it is only to come back and rebuild I and my children will never stop fighting for a more perfect union. This is our country, no orange fascist and his minions can take that away from us.
re: #357 Anymouse
Wrong: Franklin Delano Roosevelt (elected four times), followed by Harry Truman.
I thought Truman served only one term after he succeeded FDR and finished out his term.
The lower house of Russian parliament broke into applause on word Trump won. Meanwhile, our real allies are expressing fear NATO will die.
— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) November 9, 2016
re: #361 Scottishdragon
It would take a big shift in some ways, actually, since Dems are compacted in cities and a very few liberal states. All those extra California votes were wasted.
But Trump didn’t win Michigan and Pa by large margins. When he fails to produce the jobs he promised and unemployment goes up instead, there goes his margin of victory.
re: #362 Big Beautiful Door
There’s always a first time. These are exceptional times.
“Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country,” Trump said, to applause from the crowd. “I mean that very sincerely.”“Now it’s time for Americans to bind the wounds of divisions,” he said. “It is time for us to come together as one united people.”
SO WE SHOUTED LOCK HER UP LOCK HER UP FOR NOTHING? THE SYSTEM REALLY IS RIGGED!1!1!
re: #362 Big Beautiful Door
That’s only five terms. Four presidents X2 terms each would be eight consecutive terms. Its never happened.
I misunderstood; re-reading it I see what you meant. (A president elected twice, followed by another elected twice, &c.)
re: #366 Big Beautiful Door
But Trump didn’t win Michigan and Pa by large margins. When he fails to produce the jobs he promised and unemployment goes up instead, there goes his margin of victory.
Too fucking late for that.
re: #365 JasonA
So we have a real-life Manchurian Candidate?
re: #362 Big Beautiful Door
That’s only five terms. Four presidents X2 terms each would be eight consecutive terms. Its never happened.
Uhhhh…you’re assuming the 2020 (and 2018 elections, for that matter) will be anything close to fair :( Don’t you think, now that GOPers have a stranglehold on power and can appointment whatever rightwing whackjob judges they want, that voter suppression in Democratic areas will reach exponential levels?
re: #351 Anymouse
I don’t know how long I’ve heard the “flyover country” remarks and the others I listed above. Eventually people get tired of hearing it (hence the remarks about “liberal elites”).
Funny thing is, in my 50+ years as a Californian i don’t think I’ve ever actually heard the phrase “flyover country” except from some aggrieved political figure trying to manipulate people against the “coastal elites”.
re: #377 JasonA
Welp, we can’t say no one warned us.
And I won’t stop saying that to the trumpistas. “Whatever happens from now on will be all your fault.”
re: #374 Lancelot Link
Funny thing is, in my 50+ years as a Californian i don’t think I’ve ever actually heard the phrase “flyover country” except from some aggrieved political figure trying to manipulate people against the “coastal elites”.
You answered your statement. You live in California. That phrase isn’t directed at you, it is directed at us.
While I am not on social media (other than here), it is frequently directed at me in E-mails or such, usually couched in a phrase such as “why do you people in flyover country vote against your own interests?”
re: #364 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I thought Truman served only one term after he succeeded FDR and finished out his term.
Have you never heard of “Dewey defeats Truman”? Truman famously won in an upset for reelection in 1948.
re: #366 Big Beautiful Door
But Trump didn’t win Michigan and Pa by large margins. When he fails to produce the jobs he promised and unemployment goes up instead, there goes his margin of victory.
This is what cheers me somewhat. While we did not get the Clinton landslide we had hoped for, neither did the Trumpistas. Clinton and Trump pretty much divided the popular vote 50-50 and Trump got a majority of the EVs, but not an overwhelming majority. So, as they say in politics, he did not get a mandate from the entire nation. If he fucks up, which given his track record is entirely possible, whatever support he had will fade away. He’s a real maverick, and he’s as likely to disappoint the GOP as much as the Democrats.
Downding me if you think this is out of order, but this comment popped up in a chat I participate in:
Is trump going to be sworn into office by putting his hand on a pussy?
re: #380 De Kolta Chair
Three words: electoral college revolt
Two words: Civil war.
There is no realistic way of getting out of this.
re: #380 De Kolta Chair
Three words: electoral college revolt
Not a chance.
While the Electoral College was put in place precisely to prevent an insane election result, the GOP got the result it wanted. There will be no EC revolt.
I never thought I would live to see the day that the Party of Reagan would openly support Russia’s preferred candidate, throw our military alliances away, &c.
It is surreal.
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re: #385 Anymouse
Not a chance.
While the Electoral College was put in place precisely to prevent an insane election result, the GOP got the result it wanted. There will be no EC revolt.
I never thought I would live to see the day that the Party of Reagan would openly support Russia’s preferred candidate, throw our military alliances away, &c.
It is surreal.
What happened is one of the reasons Finland abolished electoral colleges.
re: #382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
This is what cheers me somewhat. While we did not get the Clinton landslide we had hoped for, neither did the Trumpistas. Clinton and Trump pretty much divided the popular vote 50-50 and Trump got a majority of the EVs, but not an overwhelming majority. So, as they say in politics, he did not get a mandate from the entire nation. If he fucks up, which given his track record is entirely possible, whatever support he had will fade away. He’s a real maverick, and he’s as likely to disappoint the GOP as much as the Democrats.
GOP: Mandate when the popular vote is 50% plus one vote.
Democrats: Never a mandate no matter how many more votes (see President Obama)
re: #382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
This is what cheers me somewhat. While we did not get the Clinton landslide we had hoped for, neither did the Trumpistas. Clinton and Trump pretty much divided the popular vote 50-50 and Trump got a majority of the EVs, but not an overwhelming majority. So, as they say in politics, he did not get a mandate from the entire nation. If he fucks up, which given his track record is entirely possible, whatever support he had will fade away. He’s a real maverick, and he’s as likely to disappoint the GOP as much as the Democrats.
Except that we now live in an alternate media reality. DT can screw up bigger than he ever did as a businessman and he will be praised for it, while scapegoats are found to take the blame…
re: #388 Anymouse
GOP: Mandate when the popular vote is 50% plus one vote.
Democrats: Never a mandate no matter how many more votes (see President Obama)
Yes, those are the rules exactly as written in the Constitution.
re: #388 Anymouse
GOP: Mandate when the popular vote is 50% plus one vote.
Democrats: Never a mandate no matter how many more votes (see President Obama)
No, the GOP will claim a mandate even though Trump only got 47% of the popular vote. And he has a mandate, because the only mandate that really matters is unified party control of the federal government, and the GOP has that.
re: #383 Teukka
Downding me if you think this is out of order, but this comment popped up in a chat I participate in:
Is trump going to be sworn into office by putting his hand on a pussy?
Only if one of the two Corinthians on which he will swear will be Ryan.
re: #381 Big Beautiful Door
Have you never heard of “Dewey defeats Truman”? Truman famously won in an upset for reelection in 1948.
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FDR died in 1945, and was supposed to serve until 1948. Truman finished out that term, and then ran for election in his own right as president. Technically he was not re-elected as president.
I knew my country hated me. But this much?
— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) November 9, 2016
What have we done?
re: #393 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
FDR died in 1945, and was supposed to serve until 1948. Truman finished out that term, and then ran for election in his own right as president. Technically he was not re-elected as president.
If that is what you meant, I stand corrected. I thought you meant Truman didn’t win his own term of office.
Huffington Post has dropped the editor’s note it was putting on its Donald Trump articles now.
re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Except that we now live in an alternate media reality. DT can screw up bigger than he ever did as a businessman and he will be praised for it, while scapegoats are found to take the blame…
Maybe, maybe not. Whatever fuck -ups he does will be much more public than his failed business ventures and bankruptcies, to which only fellow businessmen and bankers paid attention. The RW media will spin any failures like tops, but the rest of the media (the WaPo and the NYT, one hopes) will report on them — I hope.
TBH, I’m not even convincing myself with these words. I fear we will see the beginning of the corporate dystopia featured in so many SF novels and movies.
re: #396 Anymouse
Huffington Post has dropped the editor’s note it was putting on its Donald Trump articles now.
self-preservation
re: #14 Flavia
This really is the end of America being Leader of the Free World. We started slipping from that position under W, but we had a shot of regaining it under Obama. Now? Forget it. Game over.
I am really stunned that we have this many stupid, hateful people in this country.
the good news for me is that at least they’re no longer showing up in my Facebook page…..
re: #395 Big Beautiful Door
If that is what you meant, I stand corrected. I thought you meant Truman didn’t win his own term of office.
The OP was that we have never elected more than four presidents each to two terms in office. Like I said, technically Truman was only elected president once, as his first term was a Constitutional succession.
While we may not see a two-term Trump (he’d be 74 in 2020), we could see Pence run for election and win. That scares me more than Trump, who is basically not a Bible-thumper.
re: #402 Big Beautiful Door
As did Julian.
With all that that implies.
re: #401 GlutenFreeJesus
Wikileaks will be defunct very soon.
Clinton’s Pied Piper Strategy (use media contacts to promote Trump) has backfired spectacularly. PDF of our leak: https://t.co/DAmWNq9K0f pic.twitter.com/R49V3TfMXC
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) November 9, 2016
Morning Lizards, Saw the writing on the wall last night and slept like shit. Better buckle up because this is going to be a crazy ride.
So how long until Trump uses tactical nukes in Syria?
I guess within 3 months of inauguration.
re: #397 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
TBH, I’m not even convincing myself with these words. I fear we will see the beginning of the corporate dystopia featured in so many SF novels and movies.
If my conjecture is correct - that Drumpf will have to rely on others to really deal with (domestic and foreign) policy, while he sticks to ceremonial stuff like traveling the world, the “others” including Senators who are play-makers in the Senate, then your vision may see some evidence soon.
Each Senator is funded by big interests of one sort or another. And said interests will have outsized influence on the policy making.
re: #82 Sherlock Hound
That’s nice to hear. ///// The barbarians are us.
No, I’m in the same boat—SSI, public housing, Medicaid. I type here while pretending to be a useful person, ignoring that I’m 53 and have never had a full-time job and perhaps never will. I have so many friends and colleagues in that situation. I wish I had better words for your wife. Or for us all.
I’m mostly sheltered from this shit, adjuncting while looking after my Dad rent-free at his house. And most of my IRA either got turned into cash 10 years ago or got turned into my car after the fucking head-gasket blew on the Nissan. So I’ll get to watch mostly from the sidelines as we enter a Japan-like recession that never ends. But the only way I’ve been able to afford health insurance is through ACA, and I don’t have the luxury of paying for it up front and then getting a a tax credit 15 months later. So I too didn’t fall asleep until roughly 4 in the morning, and now I get to try to run two classes on minimal shut-eye.
re: #408 Anymouse
A good example of be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
Exit polls say Trump did better with Latinos than Romney did. 65%-29% vs. 71%-27%
— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) November 9, 2016
I just don’t get it.
ELI5
re: #413 steve_davis
I’m mostly sheltered from this shit, adjuncting while looking after my Dad rent-free at his house. And most of my IRA either got turned into cash 10 years ago or got turned into my car after the fucking head-gasket blew on the Nissan. So I’ll get to watch mostly from the sidelines as we enter a Japan-like recession that never ends. But the only way I’ve been able to afford health insurance is through ACA, and I don’t have the luxury of paying for it up front and then getting a a tax credit 15 months later. So I too didn’t fall asleep until roughly 4 in the morning, and now I get to try to run two classes on minimal shut-eye.
Well, my wife and I own our house and car free-and-clear (we paid cash for both), but our medical care is dependent on Tricare (which the GOP has already targeted for reductions and privatisation) and my VA treatment (the GOP wants to get rid of the VA).
Well, I don’t know what to say. Or do. I’m horrified. Had to turn it off at midnight when CNN started panning to Trump Headquarters.
This is almost my worst nightmare.
I have other thoughts, not all of them coherent, which are probably not fitting to share at this time.
re: #412 Jenner7
Will Hillary be in jail in 2017?
No, we still have a court system, and she can afford the very best lawyers. In fact I seriously doubt she will even be prosecuted; the case is too weak.
Ted Cuck Cruz affirmed his lapdog status:
.@tedcruz posts to Facebook congratulating “President-elect Trump on an amazing victory for the American worker.” https://t.co/LqceyDFjBy pic.twitter.com/vdrDeZwZnZ
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) November 9, 2016
re: #419 Sir John Barron
Well, I don’t know what to say. Or do. I’m horrified. Had to turn it off at midnight when CNN started panning to Trump Headquarters.
This is almost my worst nightmare.
I have other thoughts, not all of them coherent, which are probably not fitting to share at this time.
The thought of seeing any more of those stupid red MAGA hats and green evil pepe frogs is enough to make me never want to leave the house again. Or turn on the TV or Internet. Other than for LGF.
The lower house of Russian parliament broke into applause on word Trump won. Meanwhile, our real allies are expressing fear NATO will die.
— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) November 9, 2016
Congratulations America, you’ve just unwon the Cold War. https://t.co/6e6iHMUnoL
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) November 9, 2016
Trump Win, Republican Victories in Congress May Spell Big Changes
In 2013, Democrats changed the Senate rules, allowing nominations for federal judges (except for the U.S. Supreme Court) and for executive branch posts to be approved with 51 votes instead of requiring 60.
Now, that change will allow Trump essentially to pick whomever he wants for circuit and appeal courts and to his cabinet.
Sources close to the real-estate mogul have told NBC News that he is considering ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich for secretary of state and ex-New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for attorney general. Democrats are most likely going to strongly oppose such selections, but would not be able to use the filibuster against them.
I wonder if the reason why the fireworks display were canceled because the Clinton campaign internal polls were showing what we see now?
re: #417 JasonA
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ELI5
Exit polling of minority groups has been shown to be highly unreliable. Did they have many spanish speaking exit polling questioners?
re: #424 Dr. Matt
Ted Cuck Cruz affirmed his lapdog status:
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The guy’s father was accused of killing JFK by Trump and he kisses his ass. Well Ted, you can’t blame Obama forever, try actual governing oh wait.
Reince did an autopsy on the corpse of the republican party and found the democratic party instead.
re: #430 De Kolta Chair
If we survived Dubya we can survive this. Feck ‘em.
4,424 Americans did not survive in Iraq, over 30k were wounded, and who knows how many Iraqis actually were lost.
re: #430 De Kolta Chair
If we survived Dubya we can survive this. Feck ‘em.
Trump is going to be a lot worse.
re: #332 Dr. Matt
Steve Bannon, an outright white supremacist, will be a White House staffer. Unreal.
This. Policy differences I can handle. I can live with that.
But this. The Lock Her Up philosophy gaining government power.
I’m depressed. I’ve been in some deep depressions before and I’ve overcome them. I’m not giving in to despair. The abyss can go fuck itself.
— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) November 9, 2016
Moving to Canada. That is, if there’s a neighborhood in NYC named Canada, and it’s a place where i can work to fix this mess in ‘18 and ‘20.
— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) November 9, 2016
Has someone checked on Ziggy Tardis this morning?
I have not seen any of my Muslim friends (save one who splits time between Jordan and the US) saying they are going to leave. All of them are staying and resisting the hate-wave.
That has pulled me back slightly, but I am also Autistic. I will no longer be able to get Health Care, and I am worn out fighting my own head, so I don’t want to fight anymore. I am still mulling over leaving the US.
re: #439 Ziggy_TARDIS
I have not seen any of my Muslim friends (save one who splits time between Jordan and the US) saying they are going to leave. All of them are staying and resisting the hate-wave.
That has pulled me back slightly, but I am also Autistic. I will no longer be able to get Health Care, and I am worn out fighting my own head, so I don’t want to fight anymore. I am still mulling over leaving the US.
Glad you’re with us.
re: #430 De Kolta Chair
If we survived Dubya we can survive this. Feck ‘em.
Dubya was merely incompetent, not actively anti-American.
re: #440 The Vicious Babushka
I am probably going to be much more into my faith now, as I can feel the warmth from it again, for the first time in 11 years.
re: #430 De Kolta Chair
If we survived Dubya we can survive this. Feck ‘em.
dubyah: the last time America rejected commonsense, the last time a president was elected and lost the popular vote, the last time America elected an outright ideologue who campaigned on division and surrounded himself with some of the most unsavory characters. Now, multiple that by 100 and we have Trump.
Hillary Clinton’s Loss Triggers Leadership Crisis for Democrats
Hillary Clinton’s stunning loss to Donald Trump created a power vacuum at the top of the party and a crisis of confidence among its remaining standard bearers.
I would hope so.
re: #439 Ziggy_TARDIS
I have not seen any of my Muslim friends (save one who splits time between Jordan and the US) saying they are going to leave. All of them are staying and resisting the hate-wave.
That has pulled me back slightly, but I am also Autistic. I will no longer be able to get Health Care, and I am worn out fighting my own head, so I don’t want to fight anymore. I am still mulling over leaving the US.
They won’t repeal the ACA immediately. The repeal will probably allow it to operate through next year while they try to figure out a replacement.
re: #408 Anymouse
They really think this is something special. They can go away now. The fact we have seen NOTHING from them about any Republicans is all anyone needs to know.
World markets still collapsing. Mexican Peso now taking a major dive, South Korea appears to have intervened to stabilise its currency, and the dollar is collapsing against the Japanese yen. Stocks aren’t being hit quite as bad in Europe, but it appears that investment may shift there in the stock markets over our own.
re: #397 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Maybe, maybe not. Whatever fuck -ups he does will be much more public than his failed business ventures and bankruptcies, to which only fellow businessmen and bankers paid attention. The RW media will spin any failures like tops, but the rest of the media (the WaPo and the NYT, one hopes) will report on them — I hope.
TBH, I’m not even convincing myself with these words. I fear we will see the beginning of the corporate dystopia featured in so many SF novels and movies.
Exactly. Trumps nomination was evidence that the American Idiocracy has dawned, his election pretty much proves it…
re: #445 freetoken
Hillary Clinton’s Loss Triggers Leadership Crisis for Democrats
I would hope so.
It’s all open for 2020 now. That will be a hard fought primary and determine where the party will go.
re: #449 Anymouse
World markets still collapsing. Mexican Peso now taking a major dive, South Korea appears to have intervened to stabilise its currency, and the dollar is collapsing against the Japanese yen. Stocks aren’t being hit quite as bad in Europe, but it appears that investment may shift there in the stock markets over our own.
Yeah, right now European markets are probably starting to look like a safe haven.
re: #447 Big Beautiful Door
They won’t repeal the ACA immediately. The repeal will probably allow it to operate through next year while they try to figure out a replacement.
They tried to repeal it how many times already? Yup, they’ll repeal it right away or they’ll get skinned alive by their constituents.
They never had a plan to replace it, so why figure out one now?
On the bright side, I’ve been sorely disappointed by Obama’s lack of tawdry yet entertaining scandals and with Trump and his cronies we’ll get one every hour on the hour.
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re: #453 Anymouse
They tried to repeal it how many times already? Yup, they’ll repeal it right away or they’ll get skinned alive by their constituents.
They never had a plan to replace it, so why figure out one now?
They have no plan to replace the ACA. The GOP’s only priority is to get rid of it, come hell or high water.
re: #445 freetoken
Hillary Clinton’s Loss Triggers Leadership Crisis for Democrats
Hillary Clinton’s stunning loss to Donald Trump created a power vacuum at the top of the party and a crisis of confidence among its remaining standard bearers.
I would hope so.
Schumer was a great fighter during the invasion of Iraq, I am sure he is suiting up right now to do battle. Just don’t get in between Chuck and a camera.
Now that the Democrats are completely neutered, there will be zero investigations into Russia, Wikileaks, and all external meddling.
If there’s any “consolation” in all this, this campaign has emotionally exhausted me. I’m relieved it’s over.
I’ll figure out how to be the loyal opposition at some point. But for now, I’m spent. Gonna back off social media.
re: #457 Dr. Matt
Now that the Democrats are completely neutered, there will be zero investigations into Russia, Wikileaks, and all external meddling.
That task will now fall onto investigative journalists.
I will never forget this chart for as long as I live. pic.twitter.com/x6UaMZ1Ivz
— Eche Madubuike (@echemadubuike) November 9, 2016
re: #441 William Lewis
Dubya was merely incompetent, not actively anti-American.
and his immigration policy was the one thing about him that I actually supported
re: #453 Anymouse
They tried to repeal it how many times already? Yup, they’ll repeal it right away or they’ll get skinned alive by their constituents.
They never had a plan to replace it, so why figure out one now?
Because before it was just talk. Now they are actually going to be held responsible for 20 million people losing their health insurance.
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Surreal doesn’t begin to cover this.
I skipped out last night because I had work early in the morning, but couldn’t sleep knowing that the words President-elect Trump were awaiting me given what I was seeing.
I’ve been posting to twitter all morning long, but wanted to go long form here.
I was a member of the loyal opposition who voted for McCain in 2008 when Barack Obama won. I wished Obama all the luck I could muster and that the nation comes first and that we will work on issues that will make the nation a better place, all the more important given the Great Recession we were enduring at the time of the election.
In the years since, I went from the opposition to active supporter for Obama. I’ve also come to loath and worry about the direction of the GOP. Trump’s ascendancy reinforces those views. Trump won the EC on the backs of hate, fear, and ignorance. White voters turned out in droves. In fact, record levels of white voters in rural areas voted for Trump. They went for Trump on supposedly economic grounds, even though areas that had the biggest economic recoveries since 2010 went for Trump. This was never about economic insecurity, but about power.
Trump tapped into the GOP’s fear of losing the demographics of the nation - with more people of color, more minorities, and even multiple sexual orientations having equal rights and protections. Trump dog whistled his way through the election, and the result was a win in the electoral college.
I will support Trump as I supported Obama before him - when he does right by the nation, but I will stand opposed to him when he attempts to restrict civil and voting rights, when he seeks to repeal Obamacare and the safety net with vaporware, and enables the GOP, including Speaker Ryan, to run roughshod over the Constitution and the General Welfare clause so Trump and the GOP can bring about a second Gilded Age, which is appropriate given Trump lives in a gilded penthouse in the sky.
That’s what the loyal opposition does.
Maybe it’s an antiquated version of politics and how things should be, especially since Trump and his supporters are truly as deplorable as they come. Trump’s unleashed a level of hate and bigotry that isn’t going to stop when he takes office.
And I feel a tinge of sorriness for all those white folks in Middle America who think that Trump will help them or bring back coal jobs or manufacturing jobs. They’ve been conned, and don’t know it.
They wont realize how badly they screwed themselves and everyone else for a while.
In the meantime, it’s not too soon to think about 2018. Because if the Democrats want to get back in the game and set things straight, they’ve got ALOT of work to do.
If that means fixing the DNC and the various campaign committees (NDCC NDSC, etc.), then get cracking. There’s a reason that the GOP has dominated at the state and local level for so long. Now, they control the levers of the federal government.
But it also means that the GOP now owns the entirety of the mess they’ll create. They will have no one to blame but themselves.
re: #453 Anymouse
I give it till the end of January. Then millions of Americans will lose their coverage, with no options for replacement.
I just hope BCBS doesn’t dump my dad because of his dementia, diabetes, glaucoma…
re: #447 Big Beautiful Door
They won’t repeal the ACA immediately. The repeal will probably allow it to operate through next year while they try to figure out a replacement.
It’ll be about the third item on the agenda.
1) kill the filibuster
2) pass a law forbidding local gun control laws (supremacy clause)so that the various assault weapon bans and california’s new ammo law are toast.
(this is another reason conservative blue dogs hate Hillary - the really believe the gun grabber crapola. If Democrats want to win election, that’s a dead issue. )
3) repeal ACA. There will be no replacement. “Poor? Die already.”
This will be the first week in January.
re: #457 Dr. Matt
Now that the Democrats are completely neutered, there will be zero investigations into Russia, Wikileaks, and all external meddling.
Trump U as well.
Also, the polls, almost all of them, were spectacularly wrong. Never seen it this bad.
re: #449 Anymouse
World markets still collapsing. Mexican Peso now taking a major dive, South Korea appears to have intervened to stabilise its currency, and the dollar is collapsing against the Japanese yen. Stocks aren’t being hit quite as bad in Europe, but it appears that investment may shift there in the stock markets over our own.
I’ll bet the French and German markets will continue to climb as money flows out of Britain and the US.
re: #447 Big Beautiful Door
They won’t repeal the ACA immediately. The repeal will probably allow it to operate through next year while they try to figure out a replacement.
Are you kidding? They’re going to repeal it immediately. Who’s going to stop them? The Republicans have the Presidency, and both houses of Congress now. They’ll reshape the court for decades.
Say goodbye to every bit of social progress we’ve made. Republicans are about to undo it all.
re: #462 Big Beautiful Door
Because before it was just talk. Now they are actually going to be held responsible for 20 million people losing their health insurance.
Do you think they care? That responsibility will come only “after” they repeal it.
Then when constituents lose insurance, they’ll blame it on Obama.
re: #459 Dr Lizardo
That task will now fall onto investigative journalists.
Yep. Both of them, until they are either imprisoned or threatened into silence.
re: #466 Dr. Matt
They are a dying breed.
Sad, but true. The only thing far too many journalists seem interested in investigating is the latest goings-on with the Kardashians.
re: #462 Big Beautiful Door
Because before it was just talk. Now they are actually going to be held responsible for 20 million people losing their health insurance.
So? They. Don’t. Care. The Speaker of the House worships at the altar of Ayn Rand not the Christian Lord.
re: #471 Anymouse
Do you think they care? That responsibility will come only “after” they repeal it.
Then when constituents lose insurance, they’ll blame it on Obama.
And they’ll probably win too.
re: #468 Sir John Barron
Also, the polls, almost all of them, were spectacularly wrong. Never seen it this bad.
They didn’t allow us the opportunity to be prepared. I thought I was prepared for the worst, but I was not.
re: #472 Weaselone
Yep. Both of them, until they are either imprisoned or threatened into silence.
I hope Katy Tur has a way out… .
re: #464 GlutenFreeJesus
I give it till the end of January. Then millions of Americans will lose their coverage, with no options for replacement.
I just hope BCBS doesn’t dump my dad because of his dementia, diabetes, glaucoma…
That’s silly. There is zero chance of that happening; Congress won’t even be able to get a repeal law to Trump’s desk that quickly. Coverage won’t end until January 2018.
re: #463 lawhawk
Sorry, I understand what you’re saying but:
1) He is not now and never will be _my_ president.
2) All that matters until regime change happens is resistance by all means possible.
3) Wear a white rose to let people know what you think of him
re: #474 William Lewis
So? They. Don’t. Care. The Speaker of the House worships at the altar of Ayn Rand not the Christian Lord.
One fiction, another fiction, both used to control voters. Really not seeing a difference here.
re: #474 William Lewis
So? They. Don’t. Care. The Speaker of the House worships at the altar of Ayn Rand not the Christian Lord.
In case you haven’t noticed, Paul Ryan is not the only member of the House.
re: #478 Big Beautiful Door
That’s silly. There is zero chance of that happening; Congress won’t even be able to get a repeal law to Trump’s desk that quickly. Coverage won’t end until January 2018.
Half a dozen Congressmembers already probably have one drawn up. Watch how fast it can sail through required committees with no discussion and a sudden GOP interest in “clean bills.”
re: #481 Big Beautiful Door
Yup. There are many more members even worse than he is. And they now have full control of our country.
re: #481 Big Beautiful Door
In case you haven’t noticed, Paul Ryan is not the only member of the House.
He controls enough of the house that the rest don’t matter.
Republicans are suddenly going to stop worrying about deficits, federal spending, hiring government employees, and teleprompters.
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) November 9, 2016
re: #249 Dr Lizardo
They did that to her father, IIRC.
Yes. He got a bit over 5 million votes in the first round. Needed around 10 million more to win the second round.
He got 700,000 more than the first round. Chiraq, widely detested, won with over 80% of the votes.
Marine might do better, but she cannot win.
re: #482 Anymouse
Half a dozen Congressmembers already probably have one drawn up. Watch how fast it can sail through required committees with no discussion and a sudden GOP interest in “clean bills.”
I would be happy to wager you any amount of money you care that coverage will not end in January next year.
re: #454 De Kolta Chair
On the bright side, I’ve been sorely disappointed by Obama’s lack of tawdry yet entertaining scandals and with Trump and his cronies we’ll get one every hour on the hour.
That’s one thing that really should be left to the private sector
re: #481 Big Beautiful Door
In case you haven’t noticed, Paul Ryan is not the only member of the House.
Yup. There’s Louie Gohmert, and Raul Labrador, and (maybe) Darryll Issa, &c &c &c.
There is a majority of Republican anti-science and pro-Ayn Rand worshippers.
Polling errors were highest in states where white non-college grads made up most white voters.
— (((Harry Enten))) (@ForecasterEnten) November 9, 2016
Not that it matters but the GOP is on track to lose the popular vote for president for the sixth out of seventh election.
— Glenn Kessler (@GlennKesslerWP) November 9, 2016
Popular vote is one thing, but as Civics 101 teaches, it’s about the Electoral College, and Clinton failed - mostly because the rural white vote went landslide for Trump.
The people who will benefit the least from a Trump win but think they have the most to gain, went for Trump overwhelmingly. Wrap your head around that.
re: #488 Big Beautiful Door
I would be happy to wager you any amount of money you care that coverage will not end in January next year.
In January no. Coverage already signed up for this year will go for the term of the insurance policy.
There won’t be any ACA for next year’s sign up.
As my grandfather always said, “hope for the best, plan to be worst”.
re: #490 Anymouse
Yup. There’s Louie Gohmert, and Raul Labrador, and (maybe) Darryll Issa, &c &c &c.
There is a majority of Republican anti-science and pro-Ayn Rand worshippers.
And there is also a Senate bills have to get through. It takes time to pass laws; coverage will not immediately end upon Trump’s nomination.
re: #480 Anymouse
One fiction, another fiction, both used to control voters. Really not seeing a difference here.
Perhaps but I find comfort in the teachings in that latter one that at least tries to get people to live better lives.
re: #488 Big Beautiful Door
I would be happy to wager you any amount of money you care that coverage will not end in January next year.
July would be my guess.
Health care will be block grants to the states to use as they wish.
re: #492 Anymouse
In January no. Coverage already signed up for this year will go for the term of the insurance policy.
There won’t be any ACA for next year’s sign up.
That’s exactly what I said.
re: #494 Big Beautiful Door
And there is also a Senate bills have to get through. It takes time to pass laws; coverage will not immediately end upon Trump’s nomination.
I already responded to that.
It takes no time at all to pass a bill if you really want it passed. They really want that one passed.
Well, we certainly didn’t see that one coming.
Good morning everyone. Keep breathing. Take some time away from knee-jerk pontificators. All 59 million of us who voted for Hillary can’t self-deport…and won’t.
re: #498 Anymouse
One of the first things to happen in the new Congress will certainly be an ACA repeal bill, or at least one that modifies the ACA greatly, such as take out the insurance mandate and penalties.
A large segment of “Americans” just couldn’t get over that we elected a Black man as President. These “Americans” actually believe Trump is some sort of “revenge”.
re: #495 William Lewis
Perhaps but I find comfort in the teachings in that latter one that at least tries to get people to live better lives.
Science texts do that. Bibles that glorify rape, slavery, and oppression do not.
Remember how Republicans were bellyaching for every Muslim in the entire world to condemn the very few radicals in their midst?
I’ll bet you a plugged nickel we won’t see those condemnations from US Christians. We saw plenty from Muslims, but I’m betting Christians by and large will be silent.
re: #492 Anymouse
In January no. Coverage already signed up for this year will go for the term of the insurance policy.
There won’t be any ACA for next year’s sign up.
The problem with that? They’ll end the tax credit. Without that 90% of the policies will be unaffordable for the people that need them. So they’ll drop the policies because they can’t afford the enormous bills. It won’t matter that it’s still there if you can’t afford it.
unemployment rate in Iowa earlier this year was 3.5% (!!!!)…..but “economic anxiety.”
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) November 9, 2016
re: #504 William Lewis
The problem with that? They’ll end the tax credit. Without that 90% of the policies will be unaffordable for the people that need them. So they’ll drop the policies because they can’t afford the enormous bills. It won’t matter that it’s still there if you can’t afford it.
Not sure exactly how they would go about it. Republicans specifically ran on a campaign of “repeal.” My own unopposed representative certainly did.
re: #503 Anymouse
I’ll bet you a plugged nickel we won’t see those condemnations from US Christians. We saw plenty from Muslims, but I’m betting Christians by and large will be silent.
Because a Christian terrorist is not a True Christian whereas any Muslim who is not a terrorist is not a True Muslim
re: #505 Dr. Matt
“Economic anxiety” my ass. More like “white anxiety”.
re: #508 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Because a Christian terrorist is not a True Christian whereas any Muslim who is not a terrorist is not a True Muslim
Something like that would be the argument.
Both of them think of us atheists as evil, Satan-worshippers, immoral, &c &c (despite the fact we have the lowest divorce rates, lowest crime rates, lowest teen pregnancy rates, &c)
What Senate seats are up in “18? We can’t let that one slip.
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re: #512 Dave In Austin
What Senate seats are up in “18? We can’t let that one slip.
Dems are defending more seats in Republican states than vice versa:
en.wikipedia.org
(List of seats up for election in 2018)
So I guess climate change isn’t going to be a big priority.
re: #512 Dave In Austin
What Senate seats are up in “18? We can’t let that one slip.
25 Democrats and 8 Republicans. We’re pretty much guaranteed a major fucking over in the Senate given all the Billionaires on their side.
re: #506 Jenner7
Obama’s legacy is gone. Gone.
Maybe, probably.
This is a hard pill to swallow, but Obama was probably not enough of an ideological warrior.
re: #509 Dr Lizardo
“Economic anxiety” my ass. More like “white anxiety”.
Trump won a two-to-one victory in counties where the unemployment rate has improved the most since 2010. pic.twitter.com/PoTFlKxcaH
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) November 9, 2016
2018:
23 Dem seats
8 GOP seats
2 Independent seats (Leiberman and Sanders)
One Republican expected to retire.
re: #509 Dr Lizardo
“Economic anxiety” my ass. More like “white anxiety”.
They overlap. These are the people who were bypassed by the economic recovery and blame it on immigrants
re: #515 baileylamb
So I guess climate change isn’t going to be a big priority.
US policy will be that climate change is not happening and if it is nothing can be done because “JOBS” “TAXES” and “SOVEREIGNTY” are far more important…
re: #478 Big Beautiful Door
That’s silly. There is zero chance of that happening; Congress won’t even be able to get a repeal law to Trump’s desk that quickly. Coverage won’t end until January 2018.
They already have something lined up.
re: #524 freetoken
Thought he’d get more than that.
re: #515 baileylamb
So I guess climate change isn’t going to be a big priority.
Are you kidding? Inducing more climate change is a major Trump priority!
Today is going to be a shit mental health day for so many of us. Here’s what you can do:
— L.D. Lapinski (@ldlapinski) November 9, 2016
Worth looking at the whole thread.
re: #506 Jenner7
Obama’s legacy is gone. Gone.
The hell it is. Think Trump’s going to repeal and replace Obamacare? Of course he isn’t. That was just red meat for his rally crowds which he knew as much as any was filled with people who just wanted a good show. Trump has said on a few occasions that Obamacare worked. Think he’s going to gut solar and environmental policy? He may be a sleazeball of a business man but he recognizes a positive balance sheet when he sees one, and the green economy is a big part of our future. As for the stimulus? Trump will be asking congress for (and getting because he’s not black) money for infrastructure which we desperately need.
And as for “the wall?” That’s more easily walked back than any of his campaign promises. He’ll simply say something like “You want to pick your own lettuce?” and all the Republicans will laugh and a ‘permanent guest worker’ bill will appear out of nowhere…maybe even with a path to citizenship.
No, Obama’s legacy isn’t gone. It’s just going to get a big fucking gold T stamped on it so Trump can take credit.
re: #531 darthstar
The hell it is. Think Trump’s going to repeal and replace Obamacare? Of course he isn’t. That was just red meat for his rally crowds which he knew as much as any was filled with people who just wanted a good show. Trump has said on a few occasions that Obamacare worked. Think he’s going to gut solar and environmental policy? He may be a sleazeball of a business man but he recognizes a positive balance sheet when he sees one, and the green economy is a big part of our future. As for the stimulus? Trump will be asking congress for (and getting because he’s not black) money for infrastructure which we desperately need.
And as for “the wall?” That’s more easily walked back than any of his campaign promises. He’ll simply say something like “You want to pick your own lettuce?” and all the Republicans will laugh and a ‘permanent guest worker’ bill will appear out of nowhere…maybe even with a path to citizenship.
No, Obama’s legacy isn’t gone. It’s just going to get a big fucking gold T stamped on it so Trump can take credit.
Not even I’m that optimistic!
re: #499 darthstar
Well, we certainly didn’t see that one coming.
Good morning everyone. Keep breathing. Take some time away from knee-jerk pontificators. All 59 million of us who voted for Hillary can’t self-deport…and won’t.
To paraphrase Michael Bolton (from Office Space)
Why should we self deport, they are the ones that suck!
oh wow, i totally forgot about this https://t.co/ch2Fh3pCUR
— Rosie Gray (@RosieGray) November 9, 2016
So did the Trump voters. Or they didn’t care. Like all the other malfeasance Trump proffered throughout campaign. https://t.co/Bg3rygcEcq
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 9, 2016
And yes, that’s Trump going to court later this month to deal with the Trump University scam school case in NY.
re: #534 lawhawk
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And yes, that’s Trump going to court later this month to deal with the Trump University scam school case in NY.
Yeah, that’s the RICO trial coming up.
re: #531 darthstar
Hey, and along with all the good things you expect from trump, you won’t have to listen to Hillary’s “strident” voice anymore!
re: #531 darthstar
There’s always an optimist in a crowd….
re: #531 darthstar
I’m with you only part way. Trump is not an ideologue like most of the GOP leadership. He’s a maverick who used to be a Democrat and ran as a Republican because that was the easiest way to get elected. He’s going to do what he’s going to do, especially if he thinks it polishes his ego and legacy.
The thing is, we have no idea what he stands for or what he will do, other than his half-hearted repetition of the GOP platform. It’s chaos theory as applied to the executive office.
re: #531 darthstar
Ah, that was a good laugh. Thanks for the joke.
Looking at the electoral map, far too many states let hate, fear, and bigotry win. Yeah, Trump voters, that’s what you wrought & support.
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 9, 2016
re: #531 darthstar
The hell it is. Think Trump’s going to repeal and replace Obamacare? Of course he isn’t. That was just red meat for his rally crowds which he knew as much as any was filled with people who just wanted a good show. Trump has said on a few occasions that Obamacare worked.
Doesn’t matter. Fifty-six was it attempts already? It’s gone. As for replace? The GOP never intended to replace it; that is why they never presented a plan when they said they would “repeal and replace” it.
Think he’s going to gut solar and environmental policy? He may be a sleazeball of a business man but he recognizes a positive balance sheet when he sees one, and the green economy is a big part of our future.
And where Republicans control state governments they are already doing that too (suit against Obama’s Clean Power Plan, states imposing fees or taxes on people with solar power, &c)
As for the stimulus? Trump will be asking congress for (and getting because he’s not black) money for infrastructure which we desperately need.
Nope. Money for the DOD, not infrastructure.
And as for “the wall?” That’s more easily walked back than any of his campaign promises. He’ll simply say something like “You want to pick your own lettuce?” and all the Republicans will laugh and a ‘permanent guest worker’ bill will appear out of nowhere…maybe even with a path to citizenship.
That was the centerpiece of his campaign. His supporters would kill him; he ain’t walking that back. When a person shows you who they are, believe them the first time. What physical wall can’t be built can easily be filled with wingnuts with guns.
No, Obama’s legacy isn’t gone. It’s just going to get a big fucking gold T stamped on it so Trump can take credit.
Trump’s (and the GOP’s) legacy is precisely eliminating every thing President Obama has accomplished. They didn’t get to make him a one-term president, but all those court seats they held vacant? The Supreme Court seat? You don’t think they’ll put people in those as fast as they can to start reversing whatever they can?
You’re more optimistic than I am.
re: #529 lockjawcanbefun
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Well, I’ve gotten an appointment with my psychiatrist for Friday. And I filled out the passport application. I’m going to get the pictures and go file the application today.
Can the Democrats and forces of Tolerance come back from this?
re: #532 Big Beautiful Door
Not even I’m that optimistic!
Trump’s inheriting a healthy economy - just as Bush did - and while he’s no stranger to pissing away his inheritance, I don’t think (or at least I hope) he won’t go all George Bush with it and claim he has some kind of mandate to flush it down the toilet.
No, we need to do what we can to discredit, undermine him. Have your buddy Mark Burnette release Trump’s racist Apprentice tapes @mcuban
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) November 9, 2016
Low voter turnout killed us. Maybe high polling for Hillary caused many to assume she’d win and stay home. But white women, WTF?
Unreal.
re: #544 mmmirele
Mine is good until 2018. I will stay here until August at least, then I might leave.
re: #545 Ziggy_TARDIS
Can the Democrats and forces of Tolerance come back from this?
With nonstop work and a lot of effort. Plus doing enough to get redistricting in 2020 to be more favorable (that helps reduce/alter the gerrymandering that has benefited the GOP in the 2010s).
Uh. Donald Trump is now, officially the fucking President of the US of A.
That both sucks & blows.
re: #551 lawhawk
Do you think it is plausible that this will happen?
re: #552 (alpuz)
Uh. Donald Trump is now, officially the fucking President of the US of A.
That both sucks & blows.
Barack Hussein Obama is still officially the President of These Here United States.
re: #549 BigPapa
Low voter turnout killed us. Maybe high polling for Hillary caused many to assume she’d win and stay home. But white women, WTF?
Unreal.
There’s a substantial number of white women who are not feminists, and think Trump’s attitude toward women is perfectly normal. Anyone who thought Hillary had captured the white women bloc was hallucinating.
re: #540 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
The thing is, we have no idea what he stands for or what he will do, other than his half-hearted repetition of the GOP platform. It’s chaos theory as applied to the executive office.
I was watching Chris Matthews last night. Rachel was all doom and gloom and Chris kept saying, “We don’t know a thing about this guy or how he’ll act as president.” But nobody else on the set wanted to hear that, apparently. But Chris is right. We don’t know anything about him because this wasn’t an election about policy. It was an election about personality, and now we have one as president.
re: #549 BigPapa
Low voter turnout killed us. Maybe high polling for Hillary caused many to assume she’d win and stay home. But white women, WTF?
Unreal.
They believed all the hate and lies. I’ve seen several otherwise sensible and decent white women how go utterly insane at the mention of Clinton. They’d vote for Old Scratch incarnate before her.
re: #550 Ziggy_TARDIS
Mine is good until 2018. I will stay here until August at least, then I might leave.
We just got ours last year.
My wife went to bed worrying “certain people’s” passports might be cancelled.
Good news, my Canadian cash is worth quite a bit more today.
re: #549 BigPapa
Low voter turnout killed us. Maybe high polling for Hillary caused many to assume she’d win and stay home. But white women, WTF?
Unreal.
This is 2000 all over.
Well the upside to this is I don’t have to spend the next 4 years defending Hillary against the inevitable investigations and BS that would come her way. I will enjoy telling my trump supporting friends “I told you so” when the wall doesn’t get built, muslims aren’t banned and they are in even worse shape economically thanks to the trade war that will make Wal mart too expensive.
re: #545 Ziggy_TARDIS
Can the Democrats and forces of Tolerance come back from this?
Yes they can. Trump was not elected President for Life. Clinton lost by a very small margin.
re: #560 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Well the upside to this is I don’t have to spend the next 4 years defending Hillary against the inevitable investigations and BS that would come her way. I will enjoy telling my trump supporting friends “I told you so” when the wall doesn’t get built, muslims aren’t banned and they are in even worse shape economically thanks to the trade war that will make Wal mart too expensive.
With Hillary Clinton now out of the race and endless wingnut outrage over Benghazi and E-mail, stand by for a whole bunch more investigatin’. You only think it’s over: Remember Mr. Trump essentially promised to punish his political enemies.
The GOP lined up behind him.
You don’t think they won’t?
re: #560 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Well the upside to this is I don’t have to spend the next 4 years defending Hillary against the inevitable investigations and BS that would come her way. I will enjoy telling my trump supporting friends “I told you so” when the wall doesn’t get built, muslims aren’t banned and they are in even worse shape economically thanks to the trade war that will make Wal mart too expensive.
I’d rather defend but I do have a little bit of “You assholes wanted this, okay here it is, have a nice fucking life, don’t blame us when things go wrong.” But of course, it won’t work that way. Trump and the GOP will blame Obama and the Democrats for whatever troubles he has.
re: #556 darthstar
I was watching Chris Matthews last night. Rachel was all doom and gloom and Chris kept saying, “We don’t know a thing about this guy or how he’ll act as president.” But nobody else on the set wanted to hear that, apparently. But Chris is right. We don’t know anything about him because this wasn’t an election about policy. It was an election about personality, and now we have one as president.
And yet, Chris Mathews and the cable media did a lot to make Trump seem legitimate.
re: #560 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Well the upside to this is I don’t have to spend the next 4 years defending Hillary against the inevitable investigations and BS that would come her way. I will enjoy telling my trump supporting friends “I told you so” when the wall doesn’t get built, muslims aren’t banned and they are in even worse shape economically thanks to the trade war that will make Wal mart too expensive.
I hear ya; yeah, that trade war will make Wal-Mart’s prices look like Bergdorf Goodman or Bloomingdale’s all of sudden.
The sad part - they’ll blame President Obama.
re: #562 Big Beautiful Door
Yes they can. Trump was not elected President for Life. Clinton lost by a very small margin.
Presumes they’ll surrender power or even allow real elections again. Given the lessons of history (Italy, Germany & Spain in the mid 20th Century), I have major doubts about that.
re: #545 Ziggy_TARDIS
Can the Democrats and forces of Tolerance come back from this?
Yes, and will.
New nic & avatar btw.
re: #546 darthstar
Trump’s inheriting a healthy economy - just as Bush did - and while he’s no stranger to pissing away his inheritance, I don’t think (or at least I hope) he won’t go all George Bush with it and claim he has some kind of mandate to flush it down the toilet.
Well the fact is the GOP’s rightwing constituency will go absolutely apeshit if they don’t repeal the ACA, so I’m very confident its a goner. Studies show politicians actually try to keep their promises, so I’m also confident that Trump will reverse all federal attempts to reduce carbon emissions. Now the Congressional GOP supports free trade, so I have doubts about his ability to start trade wars with Mexico and China. It would be stupid, so we’ll see on that.
re: #562 Big Beautiful Door
Yes they can. Trump was not elected President for Life. Clinton lost by a very small margin.
Seriously? A small margin? This is Donald Trump - our new fucking President. *sigh*
re: #563 Anymouse
With Hillary Clinton now out of the race and endless wingnut outrage over Benghazi and E-mail, stand by for a whole bunch more investigatin’. You only think it’s over: Remember Mr. Trump essentially promised to punish his political enemies.
The GOP lined up behind him.
You don’t think they won’t?
Who cares? Clinton is the past of the Democratic party. If they want to entertain themselves investigating her more, have at it. I predict that now they won’t bother.
I overestimated the revulsion of white women to Trump. They still went huge for him. Patriarchy is entrenched in men and women.
re: #564 HappyWarrior
I’d rather defend but I do have a little bit of “You assholes wanted this, okay here it is, have a nice fucking life, don’t blame us when things go wrong.” But of course, it won’t work that way. Trump and the GOP will blame Obama and the Democrats for whatever troubles he has.
Well, I can see the writing on the wall for my village board seat (only eight votes for Hillary Clinton in my precinct, which is basically my village). Ah well, a term and a half-term for a job that doesn’t pay anything was a pretty good run for a Democrat here. I don’t see me surviving an election challenge in 2018.
I did get a few progressive things accomplished with my GOP colleagues on the village board though (I’m particularly proud of the significant rise in village employee pay, and 25% increase in funding to the public library - I wonder how long those will last).
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re: #568 William Lewis
Presumes they’ll surrender power or even allow real elections again. Given the lessons of history (Italy, Germany & Spain in the mid 20th Century), I have major doubts about that.
I don’t. This is America; the people won’t stand for a dictatorship. I know I won’t.
re: #575 Emptor scriptor Remorse
The thing with 24 hour trading is that it is possible to absorb changes quickly. The overnight futures took a beating, then came back as people looked for bargains.
re: #578 freetoken
The thing with 24 hour trading is that it is possible to absorb changes quickly. The overnight futures took a beating, then came back as people looked for bargains.
Looks like some bargain hunters moved in.
re: #577 Big Beautiful Door
I don’t. This is America; the people won’t stand for a dictatorship. I know I won’t.
I mentioned this downstairs, but will put it here:
I have Facebook friends, fundamentalists, who are quite ok with The Crusades.
re: #576 SteelPH
We’ve done shit the bed. That’s pretty much it.
re: #518 Dr. Matt
Trump won a two-to-one victory in counties where the unemployment rate has improved the most since 2010.
does not necessarily mean that the people who found new jobs in those regions found ones with comparable wages and benefits…
re: #577 Big Beautiful Door
I don’t. This is America; the people won’t stand for a dictatorship. I know I won’t.
The people just elected a fascist. You sure about that?
The reëlected the majority of the obstructionists in Congress.
This nation has had a long history of flirting with authoritarianism. (America Firsters, &c).
re: #582 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
does not necessarily mean that the people who found new jobs in those regions found ones with comparable wages and benefits…
Good point; they may have only been able to find jobs with shit wages/no bennies. Service sector, etc.
re: #574 Anymouse
Well, I can see the writing on the wall for my village board seat (only eight votes for Hillary Clinton in my precinct, which is basically my village). Ah well, a term and a half-term for a job that doesn’t pay anything was a pretty good run for a Democrat here. I don’t see me surviving an election challenge in 2018.
I did get a few progressive things accomplished with my GOP colleagues on the village board though (I’m particularly proud of the significant rise in village employee pay, and 25% increase in funding to the public library - I wonder how long those will last).
You should take pride that you made a difference in a positive way.
re: #549 BigPapa
Low voter turnout killed us. Maybe high polling for Hillary caused many to assume she’d win and stay home. But white women, WTF?
Unreal.
It was a rural wave election. Big rallies grab headlines and working class people who only catch a few sound bites on the evening news and don’t have time for three hours of tweeting every day digest those sound bites. And there are enough of them out there to offset the population centers and big cities. Trump used that to his advantage. Clinton kept her rallies small and intimate because she was supposed to walk away with this thing. Her only ‘big’ rallies were 11th hour concerts. So she never reached rural areas the way he did - on TV.
I’m not saying that’s why she lost. There are probably 40 or 50 factors that contributed to her blowing this election…(I know, hard verb choice but mistakes were made) or to Trump’s stealing it out from under her. None of them are mutually exclusive.
re: #556 darthstar
I was watching Chris Matthews last night. Rachel was all doom and gloom and Chris kept saying, “We don’t know a thing about this guy or how he’ll act as president.” But nobody else on the set wanted to hear that, apparently. But Chris is right. We don’t know anything about him because this wasn’t an election about policy. It was an election about personality, and now we have one as president.
In many ways, Cruz would have been worse, as he’s a religious ideologue with no perceptible people skills. Cruz as president would have been much worse than Trump, IMO, because he has a definite agenda “from God” and I doubt he’d care what people think of his actions. Trump does care what people think of him. I really believe he’ll do what he thinks will get him great reviews in the press and the history books, even if he has to tell the GOP to fuck off. He has no love for the GOP leadership, and they him, so the Trump presidency is going to be one head-slapping surprise after another.
Hopefully not any fatal surprises for anyone anywhere.
OTOH, Trump is pliable, as Kelly-Anne Con-anyway discovered. If they can manipulate him to do their bidding, then all bets are off, especially if Pence (just a religious as Cruz but several deciles dumber) is the de facto executive. If that happens, we’re doomed.
re: #379 Anymouse
You answered your statement. You live in California. That phrase isn’t directed at you, it is directed at us.
While I am not on social media (other than here), it is frequently directed at me in E-mails or such, usually couched in a phrase such as “why do you people in flyover country vote against your own interests?”
“Flyover country” has been used on LGF. It pissed me off big time. I live in Ohio, Columbus to be exact. I would say people would find Columbus more like LA than whatever the fuck flyover country is supposed to mean.
Oh yeah…good morning…I think. I’m not really sure.
re: #562 Big Beautiful Door
Trump will be out in either 4 or 8 years. But the Republicans in the House and Senate? They’ll be hard at work fixing things so they’ll be secure in their jobs for a great while.
re: #577 Big Beautiful Door
I don’t. This is America; the people won’t stand for a dictatorship. I know I won’t.
The people will absolutely stand for a dictatorship that punishes the other people they want punished.
re: #563 Anymouse
: Remember Mr. Trump essentially promised to punish his political enemies.
The GOP lined up behind him.
You don’t think they won’t?
Especially when they need a media circus to distract from their disasters…
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re: #585 Big Beautiful Door
You should take pride that you made a difference in a positive way.
Thanks. I tried, anyway. I did lose a battle last week (the village was partially subsidising trash collection for many years - it was brought up in the context of eliminating the subsidy - I was voted down 4-1 though I did encourage the other board members not to raise the fee so that the village was profiting off trash collection).
re: #571 (alpuz)
Seriously? A small margin? This is Donald Trump - our new fucking President. *sigh*
One one hand, she actually out-polled him in the popular vote, but as long as Democratic support is concentrated in a few states with large urban areas, the EC will always favor the GOP.
re: #584 Dr Lizardo
Good point; they may have only been able to find jobs with shit wages/no bennies. Service sector, etc.
Which would put them into competition with immigrants…
re: #580 freetoken
I mentioned this downstairs, but will put it here:
I have Facebook friends, fundamentalists, who are quite ok with The Crusades.
Half of America voted against Trump. Moonbats predicted Bush would cancel the 2008 elections and make himself dictator, which was nonsense. RWNJ predicted Obama would as well, and that was nonsense. Trump won’t either, and if he was crazy enough to try, the people wouldn’t let him. I would march on Washington myself, as would tens of millions. That’s why it won’t happen.
Well, it’s a great day to own defense stocks. Everything else, not so much.
We’re going to have wars, beautiful wars, so many wars that you’ll beg “Please President Trump, no more war, we’re sick of war” and he’ll say “off to Gitmo with you, loser.”
re: #577 Big Beautiful Door
I don’t. This is America; the people won’t stand for a dictatorship. I know I won’t.
Millions were told exactly what he wanted to do as dictator and they enthusiastically voted for him. America? It died last night aged 227. A good run historically since democracies and republics don’t tend to last. Perhaps the next one in a millennia or two will do better.
re: #592 BigPapa
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re: #592 BigPapa
Trump is a horrible person and this is a disaster. But fuck if I’m going to crawl under a rock.
But I have refrained from any political postings or discussion on FB for the time being
I just can’t
re: #566 baileylamb
And yet, Chris Mathews and the cable media did a lot to make Trump seem legitimate.
Corporate media spent an inordinate time flogging right-wing talking points and spouting conspiracy theories. Hook, line, and sinker. Rigged indeed.
re: #589 GlutenFreeJesus
Trump will be out in either 4 or 8 years. But the Republicans in the House and Senate? They’ll be hard at work fixing things so they’ll be secure in their jobs for a great while.
If they screw things up bad enough they will be out. Remember 2008?
re: #590 Scottishdragon
The people will absolutely stand for a dictatorship that punishes the other people they want punished.
^^^^^^This.
re: #600 William Lewis
Millions were told exactly what he wanted to do as dictator and they enthusiastically voted for him. America? It died last night aged 227. A good run historically since democracies and republics don’t tend to last. Perhaps the next one in a millennia or two will do better.
Whatever moonbat.
re: #597 Big Beautiful Door
Half of America voted against Trump. Moonbats predicted Bush would cancel the 2008 elections and make himself dictator, which was nonsense. RWNJ predicted Obama would as well, and that was nonsense. Trump won’t either, and if he was crazy enough to try, the people wouldn’t let him. I would march on Washington myself, as would tens of millions. That’s why it won’t happen.
You overestimate the will of many people to get up out of their easy chairs to interrupt a football game.
You also underestimate the desire of the GOP to remove what is left of the Voting Rights Act and other such protections against fouling elections.
re: #597 Big Beautiful Door
More than half voted against Drumpf.
He won because he won PA and WI.
He won WI because Hillary turns out to not have been a popular Democrat candidate. Her turnout in WI was much below Obama’s 2008.
Same in Iowa.
So the Republican victory is the narrowest of one. A combination of super-high negatives for Clinton suppressing the Democrat turnout, and perhaps some religious angle going on in PA and NC. In a super close race it doesn’t take many religious right churches to vote en bloc to swing the whole thing.
re: #597 Big Beautiful Door
The history of the 20th century says you’re wrong.
re: #603 Dr. Matt
Corporate media spent an inordinate time flogging right-wing talking points and spouting conspiracy theories. Hook, line, and sinker. Rigged indeed.
I recall last summer when DT was bragging how his rallies were exciting while people were falling asleep at Jeb! rallies
20 minutes later CNN airs an interview with a woman who had fallen asleep at a Bush rally.
That was when it became clear to me that CNN kills brain cells
Just got my morning paper. The front page is black with Donald Trump’s picture on it.
re: #601 Anymouse
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You won’t be deported. Russia won’t invade Poland. Y’all should quit depressing yourselves with your darkest fantasies; reality is bad enough.
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You deserve this shit, America. https://t.co/Ca1IPhfCqk
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) November 9, 2016
re: #607 Big Beautiful Door
Whatever moonbat.
Sorry to disappoint you, I simply read history. Your rose colored glasses will not change reality. Only real resistance to the fascist regime will.
If the Democrat “Elites” are smarter and more educated than the Rush Republicans, how the hell did we lose?
Our strengths are also our weaknesses.
re: #609 freetoken
More than half voted against Drumpf.
He won because he won PA and WI.
He won WI because Hillary turns out to not have been a popular Democrat candidate. Her turnout in WI was much below Obama’s 2008.
Same in Iowa.
So the Republican victory is the narrowest of one. A combination of super-high negatives for Clinton suppressing the Democrat turnout, and perhaps some religious angle going on in PA and NC. In a super close race it doesn’t take many religious right churches to vote en bloc to swing the whole thing.
Don’t forget Comey coming in at the last minute to poison the well.
re: #613 Big Beautiful Door
You won’t be deported. Russia won’t invade Poland. Y’all should quit deppresing yourselves with your darkest fantasies; reality is bad enough.
When I was in Gdansk last year, Russia put two mechanised divisions and several missile batteries in Kaliningrad, along with fighter-bombers. They are still there.
I heard a little while ago that Franklin County/Columbus was very strong for Hillary and she pulled more votes than Obama did the last two elections.
Unfortunately on the flip side, she didn’t do as well in Cuyahoga County/Cleveland.
Then add in rural and small town Ohio came out big time and there went Ohio.
I’ll be taking an extended break from LGF. I just can’t deal with this right now, and I’m going to concentrate on family and work.
Thank you, Charles, for giving us a place to debate and commiserate.
Be well, everyone, and good luck.
re: #613 Big Beautiful Door
US history is full of time when rights for minorities were rolled back. So most of ya’ll will be okay. Especially if you have the complexion for protection.
I don’t know who will see this so far down in the comments but….
As mortified as I am with a Trump presidency I find some solace in this passage from the Telegraph this morning:
“Trump truly defeated not one but both of America’s political parties, and now Republicans and Democrats alike will have to change, to become more responsive to the country’s needs in the 21st century. It’s long overdue”
re: #609 freetoken
In a super close race it doesn’t take many religious right churches to vote en bloc to swing the whole thing.
Sometimes it only takes two Corinthians…
re: #617 Big Beautiful Door
Whatever moonbat.
Am I supposed to care that someone ignorant of history attempts to insult me?
Most precincts are now in here in CA.
Drumpf won just 1/3rd the vote. This is below Romney’s share.
Overall, it looks like turnout was down, like in many places.
Hillary even carried Orange County.
CA 99.4% precincts:
Hillary Clinton (DEM) 5,458,754 61.4%
Donald J. Trump (REP, AI) 2,958,116 33.3%
re: #612 Anymouse
Just got my morning paper. The front page is black with Donald Trump’s picture on it.
As in black meaning mourning…a black day?
How does that happen in Nebraska, especially the way you have stated it is so anti-liberal? Does not compute.
Maybe I misunderstand. Sure has been happening a lot.
re: #620 ObserverArt
Yes we live in a county full of good people. Founder effect.
re: #607 Big Beautiful Door
Whatever moonbat.
Well, I don’t know that America died as the commentator you responded to seems to think, but why do you think his assessment of the XX Century is wrong?
I lived in the Jim Crow south and went to segregated schools until my mother got my sister and me the hell out of there. When I was in the Navy in the 1980’s Norfolk and Virginia Beach were still fighting integration in the courts.
What makes you think that his assessment is wrong?
re: #619 Anymouse
When I was in Gdansk last year, Russia put two mechanised divisions and several missile batteries in Kaliningrad, along with fighter-bombers. They are still there.
Lets look at this realistically. Russia is a poor country, and its military is severely depleted from the days of the Soviet Union. Did you see the photos of their flagship bellowing smoke? Poland is a huge country, and Russia would wreck itself trying to control it. Trump isn’t going to dissolve NATO; the Republicans around him support it, and he has little interest in actual policy. Quit fantasizing about bizarre scenarios.
The Bernie Bro Told You So’s are already starting up. So we are supposed to believe polling of Bernie beating Trump by a wider margin than Clinton after Clinton polling way ahead of Trump just got blown out of the water.
re: #631 Big Beautiful Door
Lets look at this realistically. Russia is a poor country, and its military is severely depleted from the days of the Soviet Union. Did you see the photos of their flagship bellowing smoke? Poland is a huge country, and Russia would wreck itself trying to control it. Trump isn’t going to dissolve NATO; the Republicans around him support it, and he has little interest in actual policy. Quit fantasizing about bizarre scenarios.
Russia is more concerned with re-establishing the old Russian Empire than it is rebuilding the Soviet Bloc. And do not forget, there are millions of Russians stranded outside the borders of their native countries in the old Soviet republics. Many of them would welcome being annexed.
re: #627 ObserverArt
As in black meaning mourning…a black day?
How does that happen in Nebraska, especially the way you have stated it is so anti-liberal? Does not compute.
Maybe I misunderstand. Sure has been happening a lot.
I’m not sure. I am sure it’s not a printing error.
All through the campaign Nate Silver held my district (NE-3) as the most likely to vote for Mr. Trump. Perhaps the publisher of the Scottsbluff Star-Herald went to press this morning and said “oh shit?”
re: #622 baileylamb
US history is full of time when rights for minorities were rolled back. So most of ya’ll will be okay. Especially if you have the complexion for protection.
Poles aren’t noticeably dark skinned. I do feel for the hispanics, muslims and African-Americans, and hope Trump’s stay in the White House will be brief.
re: #632 BigPapa
Could’ve would’ve should’ve … we all know that game.
There is no way to tell.
Clinton beat Bernie fair and square. A reality that has yet to be accepted.
I will most likely not be appearing here for some time to come. I will be thoroughly immersed in Science Fiction for the foreseeable future.
Reality is just not worth it.
re: #630 Anymouse
Well, I don’t know that America died as the commentator you responded to seems to think, but why do you think his assessment of the XX Century is wrong?
I lived in the Jim Crow south and went to segregated schools until my mother got my sister and me the hell out of there. When I was in the Navy in the 1980’s Norfolk and Virginia Beach were still fighting integration in the courts.
What makes you think that his assessment is wrong?
I’ll add; my grandfather (born in the teens) went to a desegregation highschool. His children went to a segregated school. This was in the same city. Rights for some folks have always fluxuated.
re: #631 Big Beautiful Door
Lets look at this realistically. Russia is a poor country, and its military is severely depleted from the days of the Soviet Union. Did you see the photos of their flagship bellowing smoke? Poland is a huge country, and Russia would wreck itself trying to control it. Trump isn’t going to dissolve NATO; the Republicans around him support it, and he has little interest in actual policy. Quit fantasizing about bizarre scenarios.
Bizarre scenerios? Fantasies?
Like Donald fucking Trump being the President of the US of A?
re: #623 Dizzy
I don’t know who will see this so far down in the comments but….
As mortified as I am with a Trump presidency I find some solace in this passage from the Telegraph this morning:
“Trump truly defeated not one but both of America’s political parties, and now Republicans and Democrats alike will have to change, to become more responsive to the country’s needs in the 21st century. It’s long overdue”
I’m sorry, but that is the writing of a British citizen with no fucking clue about America and the Republican party.
The moderate Republicans went along with the racist crazy ones and helped elect Trump. That there are any pockets of “moderate” resistance left in the GOP is insane.
Also, this person is just not getting that a shit ton of white American males, many with college educations, just said “Fuck you” to the nations’s first black President and what little progress (hampered by Republicans) we’ve made as a country.
I know you mean well, and I’m not trying to extinguish any help, but thinking that somehow the current GOP will somehow realize what they’ve done is not realisitc.
Never Forget. #ElectionNight pic.twitter.com/kMCLdVjCwP
— Travon Free (@Travon) November 9, 2016
A big giant fuck you to every media outlet that normalized Trvmp and treated him like he wasn’t a huge fucking threat to millions of lives. https://t.co/wVdf3gaGId
— Dickens (@deathtodickens) November 9, 2016
re: #639 (alpuz)
cause, uh… that’s just what happened.
re: #625 William Lewis
Am I supposed to care that someone ignorant of history attempts to insult me?
I’m not ignorant of history, but its not always 1932, and not every demagogue is Hitler. The US is not Weimar Germany, and if you think it is, you’re the ignorant one.
re: #548 Ace-o-aces
Why? Who would care? If anything they’ll just make him more popular.
re: #632 BigPapa
The Bernie Bro Told You So’s are already starting up. So we are supposed to believe polling of Bernie beating Trump by a wider margin than Clinton after Clinton polling way ahead of Trump just got blown out of the water.
The Bernie backers need to realize that if a centrist Democrat lost narrowly because this election is seen as a defeat of liberalism/progressive/socialism, etc., then it stands that Bernie would have not been any closer. In fact I think the defeat would have been worse.
re: #631 Big Beautiful Door
Lets look at this realistically. Russia is a poor country, and its military is severely depleted from the days of the Soviet Union. Did you see the photos of their flagship bellowing smoke? Poland is a huge country, and Russia would wreck itself trying to control it. Trump isn’t going to dissolve NATO; the Republicans around him support it, and he has little interest in actual policy. Quit fantasizing about bizarre scenarios.
The Republicans took out of their platform the condemnation of Russia for its invasion of Ukraine and seizure of Crimea.
They seem quite incurious about a person who has several people in his campaign staff with direct ties to Russia. (Note with Jill Stein, General Flynn was also at Russia Today’s XX anniversary party - the photo is available on Stein’s campaign Website).
When a nation is doing poorly, one way to get its people to ignore what is happening is an external threat. Invasions of Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, &c seem to fit right in with that.
Do you think the future President Trump is going to give a damn if NATO members in the Baltics are invaded? They have been asking for assurances and Congress has been blowing them off.
re: #639 (alpuz)
Bizarre scenerios? Fantasies?
Like Donald fucking Trump being the President of the US of A?
I was just about to write that.
Clinton campaign: “Love trumps hate”
American voters: “Yes, we do.”#TheMorningAfter— Interesting Times (@intrstngtimes) November 9, 2016
re: #622 baileylamb
US history is full of time when rights for minorities were rolled back. So most of ya’ll will be okay. Especially if you have the complexion for protection.
Trust me. It does affect white people as well. Many of us white people have family members who are full or part Hispanic, African American, Native American, Asian, Jewish, Polynesian, Middle Eastern, physically and mentally challenged, Atheist, Quaker, Mormon, Muslim, I could go on. That’s my family. I even have know Mexicans and Canadians who were living here undocumented! Just know, there are many white people who are not complete jack asses.
re: #620 ObserverArt
I heard a little while ago that Franklin County/Columbus was very strong for Hillary and she pulled more votes than Obama did the last two elections.
Unfortunately on the flip side, she didn’t do as well in Cuyahoga County/Cleveland.
Then add in rural and small town Ohio came out big time and there went Ohio.
This map fucking makes me ill.
re: #630 Anymouse
Well, I don’t know that America died as the commentator you responded to seems to think, but why do you think his assessment of the XX Century is wrong?
I lived in the Jim Crow south and went to segregated schools until my mother got my sister and me the hell out of there. When I was in the Navy in the 1980’s Norfolk and Virginia Beach were still fighting integration in the courts.
What makes you think that his assessment is wrong?
His assessment of the 21st century is wrong, and posting all your darkest fantasies is just depressing. Lets be a little realistic.
At least we in the Northeast now have a definitive reason to kick out New Hampshire.
Actually, did Hillary win NH or not? Now entering Google Mode…
BernieBro going full tilt:
American liberals unleashed the Trump monster
Trump is heading to the Oval Office thanks to the rampant corruption of the US liberal establishment exemplified by Hillary Clinton, the electoral fraud that deprived Bernie Sanders of victory in Democratic primary, and President Obama’s failure to deliver his promised ‘hope and change’ to the millions who elected him.
[…]
re: #640 Mattand
I agree with you mostly, but I’m trying to find some way through this and need to stay positive.
re: #633 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Russia is more concerned with re-establishing the old Russian Empire than it is rebuilding the Soviet Bloc. And do not forget, there are millions of Russians stranded outside the borders of their native countries in the old Soviet republics. Many of them would welcome being annexed.
Right, the Baltic states have reason for concern, especially if Putin sees Trump giving him the green light to start squeezing them. But Poland isn’t going to be invaded by Russia.
re: #643 Big Beautiful Door
I’m not ignorant of history, but its not always 1932, and not every demagogue is Hitler. The US is not Weimar Germany, and if you think it is, you’re the ignorant one.
Actually Benito & Francisco are far closer to a historical model of the threats we face from the new regime. But I’m sure you know that then. And I’m sure you’ll remember it when the new black shirts start killing Mexicans and Muslims. Oh, and “uppity” blacks too.
I’m pretty confident Bernie would have lost much worse than Clinton.
re: #592 BigPapa
re: #632 BigPapa
The Bernie Bro Told You So’s are already starting up. So we are supposed to believe polling of Bernie beating Trump by a wider margin than Clinton after Clinton polling way ahead of Trump just got blown out of the water.
I really wanted Hillary to win, in part, so I would never have to see the words “Bernie Bro” again. They aren’t the reason she lost this election. Bernie may or may not have beaten Trump. He definitely was more in tune with the overall electorate than she was as the polls now so painfully indicate. But was he the right person to beat Trump? I think Biden would have been better, to be honest, but because Hillary was the defacto candidate from the moment she left her post as Secretary of State, Biden didn’t want to have that fight. Neither did Elizabeth Warren. Or any othe Democrat, really. In fact, if it hadn’t been for Bernie, Hillary would have run unopposed.
So ignore people who say “We should’ve had Bernie” as they’re just blowing off steam the same as people shouting ‘fuck you white people’ on Twitter.
re: #650 Myron Falwell (no relation)
This map fucking makes me ill.
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OMG. Well, I can at least have some comfort in knowing Columbus did us right. (I was born there). But it doesn’t surprise me that so much of Ohio went alt right.
re: #643 Big Beautiful Door
I’m not ignorant of history, but its not always 1932, and not every demagogue is Hitler. The US is not Weimar Germany, and if you think it is, you’re the ignorant one.
you wanna bet?
re: #651 Big Beautiful Door
His assessment of the 21st century is wrong, and posting all your darkest fantasies is just depressing. Lets be a little realistic.
His assessment was of the Twentieth, not the Twenty-First.
I am not posting my darkest fantasies. Rep. King in Iowa specifically said the grandchildren of “illegal immigrants” (that would include my Polish family fleeing Danzig just before Germany invaded it) should be rounded up and deported. (That Grandchildren thing, the King and Ann Coulter were on about? That’s the Nuremburg Laws that determined who was a proper Aryan in Germany. Four non-Jewish grandparents born in Germany.)
Bellamy Salutes at his rallies? Nazi flags? All of that was there. The Dixie Swastika was very prominent.
Do you think the USA just elected a moderate conservative? Show your work. Steve Bannon is on his staff. So is Roger Ailes. So is Roger Stone (Nixon tattoo on his back and all.) So is Rudy Giulliani (sp). Newt Gingrich is a supporter.
Where are the non-fascists of which you speak?
re: #639 (alpuz)
Bizarre scenerios? Fantasies?
Like Donald fucking Trump being the President of the US of A?
I’d love you to lay out a realistic scenario of why and how Russia would invade Poland. Its completely nuts.
re: #655 Big Beautiful Door
Right, the Baltic states have reason for concern, especially if Putin sees Trump giving him the green light to start squeezing them. But Poland isn’t going to be invaded by Russia.
They said that in 1939 too.
In NH, Hassan is up 870 votes with 98% reporting.
re: #643 Big Beautiful Door
I’m not ignorant of history, but its not always 1932, and not every demagogue is Hitler. The US is not Weimar Germany, and if you think it is, you’re the ignorant one.
Uhm we need not look to Europe to find a parade of horribles in history. How about Red Summer in the US, or the Tulsa riots, the failure of Reconstruction…
re: #643 Big Beautiful Door
I’m not ignorant of history, but its not always 1932, and not every demagogue is Hitler. The US is not Weimar Germany, and if you think it is, you’re the ignorant one.
The winner of the election ran on a platform of doing things that cannot be done Constitutionally, from deporting millions without hearings, to blocking the immigration of an entire religion, to ordering troops to torture prisoners and murder the families of suspected terrorists. No major candidate for President has EVER promised to so flagrantly violate the Constitution.
Add to that his party, which now controls both houses of Congress, and has blocked the nomination of a Supreme Court Justice and threatened to block ALL nominations if a Democrat won the White House; which has already put in on the Supreme Court Justices who broke the Voting Rights act; which then did everything it could to disenfranchise Americans who disagreed with them, even admitting in open court to taking actions specifically aimed at reducing black voting.
re: #646 Anymouse
The Republicans took out of their platform the condemnation of Russia for its invasion of Ukraine and seizure of Crimea.
They seem quite incurious about a person who has several people in his campaign staff with direct ties to Russia. (Note with Jill Stein, General Flynn was also at Russia Today’s XX anniversary party - the photo is available on Stein’s campaign Website).
When a nation is doing poorly, one way to get its people to ignore what is happening is an external threat. Invasions of Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, &c seem to fit right in with that.
Do you think the future President Trump is going to give a damn if NATO members in the Baltics are invaded? They have been asking for assurances and Congress has been blowing them off.
You just shifted the goalpost from Poland, a huge country, to the Baltic states, small countries with large Russian minorities. I agree they have large reasons to be concerned today. I don’t even expect an attempt to annex them either, though. Instead Putin will use the tools available to him to coerce them back into the Russian sphere of influence and away from the West.
re: #650 Myron Falwell (no relation)
This map fucking makes me ill.
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I’ve always said Ohio is a little like America. It even in a way has a similar shape. I guess we have our own “flyover country.”
By the way, my old birthplace Ohio county is one of those red ones. I am pretty sure I have a happy brother that still lives in it. We had a bit of a falling out over politics and Clinton in 1992. I don’t see him much these days because he can be an ass about politics. I love him, but damn.
Meeting of NATO Provisions Top Priority for Poland Presidential Office
(Goes to Radio Poland)
The priority of Poland is to make sure that the provisions of the July NATO summit are met by US President-elect Donald Trump, said a spokesman for the Polish president.
(Article continues there.)
re: #662 Big Beautiful Door
I’d love you to lay out a realistic scenario of why and how Russia would invade Poland. Its completely nuts.
What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? Donald Trump is now the President of the USA… not a reality show, The fucking United States of America.
Can’t wait for the “Don’t Blame Me, I voted for Bernie!” bumper stickers.
*spit*
re: #655 Big Beautiful Door
Right, the Baltic states have reason for concern, especially if Putin sees Trump giving him the green light to start squeezing them. But Poland isn’t going to be invaded by Russia.
any place with a large Russian minority, however, is fair game. Crimea was just a dry run…without overstretching the analogy, a bit like what annexing Austria was to occupying Czechoslovakia.
re: #660 (alpuz)
you wanna bet?
Any amount you want that there will be a presidential election in 2020 that Trump has a fair chance of losing.
re: #668 Big Beautiful Door
You just shifted the goalpost from Poland, a huge country, to the Baltic states, small countries with large Russian minorities. I agree they have large reasons to be concerned today. I don’t even expect an attempt to annex them either, though. Instead Putin will use the tools available to him to coerce them back into the Russian sphere of influence and away from the West.
Nope, I included all of them. I shifted no goalpost. Lemme see, I believe I mentioned when I was in Gdansk last year, Russia was moving armour, missile batteries, and fighter-bombers into Kaliningrad.
I did not mention Russia closed the land border for Americans to cross from Poland to Kaliningrad (not that I wanted to go there, but they closed it while I was thirty miles away).
re: #661 Anymouse
His assessment was of the Twentieth, not the Twenty-First.
I am not posting my darkest fantasies. Rep. King in Iowa specifically said the grandchildren of “illegal immigrants” (that would include my Polish family fleeing Danzig just before Germany invaded it) should be rounded up and deported. (That Grandchildren thing, the King and Ann Coulter were on about? That’s the Nuremburg Laws that determined who was a proper Aryan in Germany. Four non-Jewish grandparents born in Germany.)
Bellamy Salutes at his rallies? Nazi flags? All of that was there. The Dixie Swastika was very prominent.
Do you think the USA just elected a moderate conservative? Show your work. Steve Bannon is on his staff. So is Roger Ailes. So is Roger Stone (Nixon tattoo on his back and all.) So is Rudy Giulliani (sp). Newt Gingrich is a supporter.
Where are the non-fascists of which you speak?
You’re either a fascist or an enabler of fascists by supporting him or anyone in this upcoming atrocity of a presidential administration.
re: #645 ObserverArt
The Bernie backers need to realize that if a centrist Democrat lost narrowly because this election is seen as a defeat of liberalism/progressive/socialism, etc., then it stands that Bernie would have not been any closer. In fact I think the defeat would have been worse.
The flip is that Bernie would have connected better with the angry white guy vote, but I think Bernie would have lost that cohort because his message was more complicated than Trump’s bash the Other.
re: #674 Big Beautiful Door
Any amount you want that there will be a presidential election in 2020 that Trump has a fair chance of losing.
ok. just fuck off.
re: #676 Myron Falwell (no relation)
You’re either a fascist or an enabler of fascists by supporting him or anyone in this upcoming atrocity of a presidential administration.
I think you were aiming that at the person I was responding to, correct?
re: #668 Big Beautiful Door
You just shifted the goalpost from Poland, a huge country, to the Baltic states, small countries with large Russian minorities. I agree they have large reasons to be concerned today. I don’t even expect an attempt to annex them either, though. Instead Putin will use the tools available to him to coerce them back into the Russian sphere of influence and away from the West.
But then, he’ll stop there? You realize that one reason the USSR was powerful was because it had all those countries under its control, and could use their resources and population, right?
re: #681 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Correct.
Phew. Checking membership cards (nope, no GOP card in there)
What a f—-ing grand time to be alive.
Look at this. Look at how sad this is. pic.twitter.com/wXbTTsmWl2
— Mason (@larkieswiftie) November 9, 2016
re: #643 Big Beautiful Door
I’m not ignorant of history, but its not always 1932, and not every demagogue is Hitler. The US is not Weimar Germany, and if you think it is, you’re the ignorant one.
If you have not read Mein Kampf, then I’d insist that you are ignorant. Weimar Germany had a relatively free press, and over 10 years advanced warning of the the furous one’s plans, at least for those who could afford books. We’ve had the internet and Facebook and Twittter (and LGF) for about that long.
re: #675 Anymouse
Nope, I included all of them. I shifted no goalpost. Lemme see, I believe I mentioned when I was in Gdansk last year, Russia was moving armour, missile batteries, and fighter-bombers into Kaliningrad.
I did not mention Russia closed the land border for Americans to cross from Poland to Kaliningrad (not that I wanted to go there, but they closed it while I was thirty miles away).
Well the tanks will probably be rolling over the border tomorrow then.
re: #682 Anymouse
Phew. Checking membership cards (nope, no GOP card in there)
I may have given up my man card a few times but we should be good.
re: #685 Big Beautiful Door
Well the tanks will probably be rolling over the border tomorrow then.
What moves do you think Russia could make that Trump would oppose? At what point do you think he says ‘This far and no farther?”
re: #684 unproven innocence
If you have not read Mein Kampf, then I’d insist that you are ignorant. Weimar Germany had a relatively free press, and over 10 years advanced warning of the the furous one’s plans, at least for those who could afford books. We’ve had the internet and Facebook and Twittter (and LGF) for abount that long.
Yep, you’re all right. The US is Weimar Germany, Trump is Hitler, and all his enemies will be rounded up into the FEMA camps Obama set up. You all sound just like the RWNJs, and you don’t even realize it.
re: #685 Big Beautiful Door
Well the tanks will probably be rolling over the border tomorrow then.
Maybe not tomorrow. Poland however has repeatedly been overrun by either Germany or Russia.
Poland cannot defend itself, it has a deep-water port with access to the Atlantic (Gdansk), and is a base of heavy industry.
The Polish people do not deserve this.
(Checked the Polish-American group of which I am a member here; they are stunned. Several have received messages from family asking if they can come to Nebraska to stay with them.)
re: #637 Birth Control Works
A good chance of that here too. But please, I don’t think we should stay away for too long. We need each other, I need you all.
re: #687 Blind Frog Belly White
What moves do you think Russia could make that Trump would oppose? At what point do you think he says ‘This far and no farther?”
Trump? Never. All I’m asking is that you look at the real world. How and why in the real world does Russia invade and occupy Poland? Its totally, completely nuts. The bunch if you are just spinning fantasies like the rwnjs do.
re: #688 Big Beautiful Door
Yep, you’re all right. The US is Weimar Germany, Trump is Hitler, and all his enemies will be rounded up into the FEMA camps Obama set up. You all sound just like the RWNJs, and you don’t even realize it.
I guess you didn’t see all the Klansmen and neo-Nazis at Trump’s rallies then. Maybe I need my glasses checked.
Didn’t hear creating a “deportation force.” The endorsements from cuddly bears like Joe Arapio and Richard Spencer. I guess I need my hearing checked too.
re: #653 freetoken
Trump is heading to the Oval Office thanks to the rampant corruption of the US liberal establishment exemplified by Hillary Clinton, the electoral fraud that deprived Bernie Sanders of victory in Democratic primary, and President Obama’s failure to deliver his promised ‘hope and change’ to the millions who elected him.
[…]
Utter bullshit. Obama would have won a third term if it was possible.
re: #688 Big Beautiful Door
Yep, you’re all right. The US is Weimar Germany, Trump is Hitler, and all his enemies will be rounded up into the FEMA camps Obama set up. You all sound just like the RWNJs, and you don’t even realize it.
It sounds like you have not even listened to Trump’s speeches. Get back to me when you’ve reviewed several. If you can trouble yourself that much.
re: #692 Anymouse
I guess you didn’t see all the Klansmen and neo-Nazis at Trump’s rallies then. Maybe I need my glasses checked.
Didn’t hear creating a “deportation force.” The endorsements from cuddly bears like Joe Arapio and Richard Spencer. I guess I need my hearing checked too.
Well you better run for the border then, before the jack-booted thugs arrive to cart you off to the FEMA camp. Or maybe build up your gun arsenal and hide it in a bunker.
re: #694 unproven innocence
It sounds like you have not even listened to Trump’s speeches. Get back to me when you’ve reviewed several. If you can trouble yourself that much.
My own unopposed representative for reëlection thinks I should be deported back to Poland because of my grandparents. (One of whom fought for the US Army in WW2 and died, and the other who served in the WAC.)
One thing the GOP showed is it doesn’t give a diddly damn about veterans or Gold Star Families. Three generations of people in my family served in the US military in various branches and howler monkeys on the right think I am a subhuman Slav.
re: #694 unproven innocence
It sounds like you have not even listened to Trump’s speeches. Get back to me when you’ve reviewed several. If you can trouble yourself that much.
Why don’t you cite the speech where he announced he would become dictator for life, and send all his enemies to concentration camps? I missed that one.
re: #695 Big Beautiful Door
Well you better run for the border then, before the jack-booted thugs arrive to cart you off to the FEMA camp. Or maybe build up your gun arsenal and hide it in a bunker.
Yeah, I think I will ignore your fascist apologetics now. Have a nice day (that’s an order)
re: #688 Big Beautiful Door
Yep, you’re all right. The US is Weimar Germany, Trump is Hitler, and all his enemies will be rounded up into the FEMA camps Obama set up. You all sound just like the RWNJs, and you don’t even realize it.
You’re speaking as if Mitt Romney were elected. Dude, the Tea Party just took over America. We’re no longer talking about a party of rich people who do just enough for the white nationalists to keep them voting Republican. We’re talking about the people who think Sarah Palin ISN’T a total drooling moron.
The one thing I hold onto here is that Trump doesn’t mean anything he says. There’s no certainty that he’ll do any of it. But that means the best case scenario is a bad Republican running the country for 2 years largely unopposed.
re: #691 Big Beautiful Door
Trump? Never. All I’m asking is that you look at the real world. How and why in the real world does Russia invade and occupy Poland? Its totally, completely nuts. The bunch if you are just spinning fantasies like the rwnjs do.
You realize Hitler didn’t invade Poland the moment Hindenburg made him Vice-Chancellor, right? No, he just kept pushing the envelope, a little at a time, depending on everyone else to think “Alright, if we give him this, that will be enough.”
re: #697 Big Beautiful Door
Why don’t you cite the speech where he announced he would become dictator for life, and send all his enemies to concentration camps? I missed that one.
He vowed to deport eleven million people. Can you count that high? I’ll wait.
Honestly @facebook can you not? pic.twitter.com/46v0Z0N2G4
— Jason Sparks (@sparksjls) November 9, 2016
Sorry Facebook, but I’d rather not as well.
re: #697 Big Beautiful Door
Why don’t you cite the speech where he announced he would become dictator for life, and send all his enemies to concentration camps? I missed that one.
i’m still not sure i understand what the fuck it is you are really talking about? you beautiful back door.
re: #704 Big Beautiful Door
Where’s the part where he’ll cancel all future elections and become dictator?
Baby steps. All those court seats the Republicans refused to fill? Watch how fast that happens now.
Voting Rights Act? You think the lines were long in Arizona and all the DMVs shut down in Alabama were the end game?
re: #704 Big Beautiful Door
Where’s the part where he’ll cancel all future elections and become dictator?
I didn’t say that. You inferred that from me calling him a fascist.
I suppose that a fascist might give up power if he lost an election. It hasn’t happened before but I suppose there is always a first time.
re: #704 Big Beautiful Door
Where’s the part where he’ll cancel all future elections and become dictator?
He was the nominee for a political party that aimed to GUT THE F—-ING VOTING RIGHTS ACT. And succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
re: #674 Big Beautiful Door
Any amount you want that there will be a presidential election in 2020 that
Trumppost-impeachment President Pence has a fair chance of losing.
FYFY
re: #708 Myron Falwell (no relation)
He was the nominee for a political party that GUTTED THE F—-ING VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
Thank you(in a sister Mary Elephant voice)
re: #704 Big Beautiful Door
Where’s the part where he’ll cancel all future elections and become dictator?
Apparently you missed Debate #2, in which he declared for the Trumpteenth time that the elections were rigged, and then refused, repeatedly, to abide by the outcome.
re: #705 (alpuz)
i’m still not sure i understand what the fuck it is you are really talking about? you beautiful back door.
What the fuck I’m talking about is the world hasn’t ended, Trump is not Hitler, and we will have an excellent chance of making him a one term President. Democracy did not die yesterday, and America is still America and not Nazi Germany. We will have four years of bad government. Unfortunately a lot of people’s civil rights will be violated. A lot of people will lose the health insurance coverage they need, go hungry and be treated like criminals. I feel sorry for them. But I don’t want this board to become a site for mirror images of rwnjs to spew crazy conspiracy theories in an echo chamber. I come here for realism, not moonbattery.
re: #712 Big Beautiful Door
What the fuck I’m talking about is the world hasn’t ended, Trump is not Hitler, and we will have an excellent chance of making him a one term President. Democracy did not die yesterday, and America is still America and not Nazi Germany. We will have four years of bad government. Unfortunately a lot of people’s civil rights will be violated. A lot of people will lose the health insurance coverage they need, go hungry and treated like criminals. I feel sorry for them. But I don’t want this board to become a site for mirror images of rwnjs to spew crazy conspiracy theories in an echo chamber. I come here for realism, not moonbattery.
reread, then fuck off. I’m done with your dipshitery. See ya in 2020.
re: #712 Big Beautiful Door
[snip]We will have four years of bad government.[snip]
You are such an optimist. /
re: #712 Big Beautiful Door
What the fuck I’m talking about is the world hasn’t ended, Trump is not Hitler, and we will have an excellent chance of making him a one term President. Democracy did not die yesterday, and America is still America and not Nazi Germany. We will have four years of bad government. Unfortunately a lot of people’s civil rights will be violated. A lot of people will lose the health insurance coverage they need, go hungry and be treated like criminals. I feel sorry for them. But I don’t want this board to become a site for mirror images of rwnjs to spew crazy conspiracy theories in an echo chamber. I come here for realism, not moonbattery.
Reposted from the next thread back here:
I just had a delivery driver from FedEx bring a package to my house. He stuck around long enough to gloat about running liberals out of the state.
re: #73 Romantic Heretic
Just spent the last hour comforting my wife. She’s visiting me here in Canada.
She’s disabled, poor, dependent on Medicaid, in public housing. She’s going to lose all of it.
Does Canada have asylum laws? It seems to me she could qualify!
re: #78 sagehen
Even after. Remember Paula Jones? Civil suits against a sitting a president are absolutely allowable.
Oh, I had forgotten!
But I’m not sure that even with all his should-be creditors gong after him that it’s enough to do any good.
re: #611 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I recall last summer when DT was bragging how his rallies were exciting while people were falling asleep at Jeb! rallies
20 minutes later CNN airs an interview with a woman who had fallen asleep at a Bush rally.
That was when it became clear to me that CNN kills brain cells
a year ago:
“He’s probably really bad for America, but he’s good for CBS. Our ratings are up.”
—Les Moonves
re: #685 Big Beautiful Door
Well the tanks will probably be rolling over the border tomorrow then.
Don’t be silly, they’ll wait until January 21.
re: #337 Sherlock Hound
Here’s what our governor says:
boston.cbslocal.comFuck him diagonally. Trump will.
Yep—think how much Trump hates Elizabeth Warren and how much he loves retribution for past slights.
I did see that the charter school bullshit, with all of their outside money, went down in flames, so congrats on that.
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Views: 594 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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