Sunday Jam: Charlie Hunter, “Who Put You Behind the Wheel”

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This track actually made me laugh out loud in a couple of spots, it’s so goofy. And yes, Charlie Hunter’s playing both bass and guitar at the same time on that odd-looking seven-string instrument.

From the upcoming album “Everybody Has A Plan Until They Get Punched In The Mouth” by Charlie Hunter. Album available worldwide now.

Digital: http://smarturl.it/HunterEverybody_iTu
Physical: http://store.groundupmusic.net/products/everybody-has-a-plan-until-they-get-punched-in-the-mouth
Amazon: http://smarturl.it/HunterEverybody_Amz

Charlie Hunter: 7-String Guitar
Bobby Previte: Drums
Curtis Fowlkes: Trombone
Kirk Knuffke: Cornet

www.CharlieHunter.com
www.GroundUPMusic.net

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:29:20pm

The title of the album is great.

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:31:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:34:34pm

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Unabogie  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:35:45pm

My current musical obsession is this British singer “Lapsley”. Amazing 20 year old songwriter.

Låpsley - Station (Live at Electric Lady Studios)

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:38:17pm

Quite the effective glissando by the trombone player.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:40:52pm

Charles-

What is that seven string he’s playing? EADG on the bottom and the three highest bass strings on the top?

That horn break to finish the piece was hilarious and great at the same time. Good session guys are golden.

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Kragar  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:52:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:52:48pm

what a crybaby

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:54:12pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

what a crybaby

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Yeah good luck with that.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 20, 2016 • 3:57:26pm

Dammit all. SEK over at Lawyers, Guns and Money is in a pain medication coma tonight and not expected to wake up. He met with family and doctors this morning and declined further life support.

This fucking year cannot end soon enough.

His series with Oldman Cat was always the highlight of my day.

OLDMAN CAT: I love you and want to cuddle with your face-hole.

SEK: I love you too but do you smell that?

OLDMAN CAT: Smell what I love you.

SEK: Trash.

OLDMAN CAT: What is “trash” I love you.

SEK: It’s the thing that lives in the bucket downstairs.

OLDMAN CAT: What is “bucket” I love you.

SEK: If I go downstairs what am I going to find?

OLDMAN CAT: Nothing never leave me I love you.

SEK: I’m going to regret going downstairs aren’t I?

OLDMAN CAT: It was already broken I love you.

SEK: What was “already broken”?

OLDMAN CAT: What is “broken” I love you.

SEK: “Broken” is when a thing was once one thing and is now many.

OLDMAN CAT: Look into my purring eyes I love you.

SEK: God damn it.

OLDMAN CAT: Done.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:09:00pm

Lumpy with a sad.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:12:13pm

re: #11 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Lumpy with a sad.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:13:20pm

I soooo love Jim Wright. Been chillaxin’ all day, hadn’t checked anyone’s timeline since last night, found these gems (among numerous others) in Jim’s timeline. Putting ‘em in a spoiler tage in case you don’t want to have to scroll through all of them:

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BTW, you’ll notice in one of the tweets he’s got a new post up—I’m off to go read it.

TTYL, lizards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:13:52pm
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Snoop Dogg’s reaction to Kanye’s rant last night

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Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:14:25pm

re: #11 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Lumpy with a sad.

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I don’t get it. All of Fox Nuz is acting.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:16:23pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hoot!

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:17:01pm

re: #16 retired cynic

Hoot!

Woot! Foshizzle!

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:17:49pm

Y’all know why Snoop Dogg wears a rain jacket, right? For drizzle.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:18:07pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

I don’t get it. All of Fox Nuz is acting.

Everyone but Hannity I guess.

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nines09  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:20:57pm

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Yep….. use your head.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:25:51pm
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Kragar  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:31:27pm
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Nyet  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:40:27pm

Reading Shaul Stampfer’s article (intro here) that argues that the Khazar conversion to Judaism (which is otherwise more or less generally accepted at least in what concerns the elites) never happened. Interesting stuff.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:42:02pm

How stupid are the Trumpets? Take a look, but put a pillow on your desk before you do, or you’ll need stitches:

cbc.ca

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:42:42pm

re: #20 nines09

Yep….. use your head.

Click to Reveal

I’m in a similar situation with a band I’ve only been in for a couple of months. I recently visited the other guitar player’s Facebook page, and he’s a full-on Infowars dude, fully convinced that Hillary Clinton is about to be indicted any day now and will spend the rest of her life in a federal prison.

He seems like a smart enough guy, but every time he opens his mouth I have a hard time taking anything he says the least bit seriously, knowing that he’s either gullible or stupid enough to believe the shit that Alex Jones and his ilk are shoveling.

And he over-plays like a motherfucker, which to me is almost worse than being an Alex Jones fan. He’s one of those dudes who has to cram every solo with every riff and note he’s got rattling around in his head.

So I’m taking Thanksgiving week to think about the situation. I may end up just bailing and finding something else to do, because this Alex Jones thing just irks the shit out of me.

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:42:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:48:36pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:50:43pm

Pehaps the next dem ticket could feature a female running mate?

I was thinking a woman VP might help pave the way for a female President.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:52:45pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Pehaps the next dem ticket could feature a female running mate?

I was thinking a woman VP might help pave the way for a female President.

Ask John McCain how that worked for him.

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:53:14pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

Ask John McCain how that worked for him.

And Walter Mondale.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:53:28pm

I remember the first time I saw the Charlie Hunter Trio - he was still playing the 8 string (Dropped the low string as he never used it that much). I was at the back of the room looking at the stage and I kept wondering who was laying down the bass line. Finally walked up to be close enough to see and was blown away by his technique.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:54:50pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

Ask John McCain how that worked for him.

Well Mccain picked a terrible running mate and with the shitstain of an economy we had at the time, just about anyone the GOP had run would have been beat.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:54:54pm

re: #30 Interesting Times

And Walter Mondale.

I just think there’s too much sexism in the center of the country for a woman President or VP candidate to overcome, right now. Too many men still view women as the “little woman”, and too many women reject feminism as overstepping female authority.

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nines09  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:55:17pm

re: #25 makeitstop

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:56:00pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Pehaps the next dem ticket could feature a female running mate?

I was thinking a woman VP might help pave the way for a female President.

Fuck that. Tammy Duckworth/some dude 2020

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:57:00pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Pehaps the next dem ticket could feature a female running mate?

I was thinking a woman VP might help pave the way for a female President.

It would help if the top of the ticket wasn’t led by The Most Hated Woman In America™.

Don’t get me wrong. I was absolutely With Her, but she was so damaged goods after 24 years of the right-wing rage machine beating and beating and beating on her.

Now, I hear there’s a new Senator from Illinois named Duckworth…

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nines09  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:59:35pm

Have to go out a bit. Later. thanks.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2016 • 4:59:36pm

How to shut down a fool claiming that Trump isn’t racist.

Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie and R Emmett Tyrrell: Full debate - BBC Newsnight

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:01:00pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck that. Tammy Duckworth/some dude 2020

Yes! I heard one talking head make a comment to the effect of, Americans like to choose a president who’s the exact opposite of the last one - so, Dubya/dolt > Obama/smart, Obama/classy black guy > trump/racist white buffoon.

If that’s indeed the case, who better to be the opposite of trump than a disabled Asian-American female war hero?

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Joe Bacon  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:02:54pm
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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:03:05pm

re: #36 austin_blue

She was the most respected woman in the world for a lot of those 30 years.

Not that I don’t love Duckworth. I do! And am proud she is my senator. And she would be better than T or P right now. But I want her to keep learning about the levers of power. Maybe she will be ready in 2 years to start a run, but I think it may just be too early. The same worries me about the Castro brothers.

I want the best person we can get, and if it is a white male, than I’m all in. We obviously are going to need someone with a lot of stage presence and ability to connect, and that ain’t easy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:03:11pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

Yes! I heard one talking head make a comment to the effect of, Americans like to choose a president who’s the exact opposite of the last one - so, Dubya/dolt > Obama/smart, Obama/classy black guy > trump/racist white buffoon.

If that’s indeed the case, who better to be the opposite of trump than a disabled Asian-American female war hero?

Duckworth/Warren.

although it is almost unheard of that we have a ticket comprised of two candidates of the same gender, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:04:36pm
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Nyet  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:06:27pm

OK, so did Romney kiss Trump’s ehhh “ring”? (Is that what you kids call it nowadays? //)

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:07:29pm

Instagram

President Trump’s first State of the Union

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:08:06pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:10:34pm

re: #41 retired cynic

She was the most respected woman in the world for a lot of those 30 years.

Not that I don’t love Duckworth. I do! And am proud she is my senator. And she would be better than T or P right now. But I want her to keep learning about the levers of power. Maybe she will be ready in 2 years to start a run, but I think it may just be too early. The same worries me about the Castro brothers.

I want the best person we can get, and if it is a white male, than I’m all in. We obviously are going to need someone with a lot of stage presence and ability to connect, and that ain’t easy.

Obama was in the IL State Legislature and then a 1-term senator.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:12:52pm

re: #41 retired cynic

She was the most respected woman in the world for a lot of those 30 years.

Not that I don’t love Duckworth. I do! And am proud she is my senator. And she would be better than T or P right now. But I want her to keep learning about the levers of power. Maybe she will be ready in 2 years to start a run, but I think it may just be too early. The same worries me about the Castro brothers.

I want the best person we can get, and if it is a white male, than I’m all in. We obviously are going to need someone with a lot of stage presence and ability to connect, and that ain’t easy.

They’re so used to the percentage points they gain by running against a black man or a woman, I don’t think they realize that’s what’s happening. Run a white male and that advantage would evaporate—and they’d be taken completely by surprise.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:13:10pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now that he’s gotten what he wanted, he’s going to throw them aside like so much trash.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:13:53pm

re: #25 makeitstop

And he over-plays like a motherfucker,

Ugh!
I am a fan of tasteful playing, leave lots of space between notes when it is called for! A great guitarist can break your heart with just a few notes…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:14:02pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:15:10pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck that. Tammy Duckworth/some dude 2020

Touche.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:15:15pm

I typed the longest comment on my phone. Poof. Damn it.

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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:15:41pm

re: #33 thedopefishlives

Rewritten for 2007:

I just think there’s too much sexismracism in the center of the country for a womanblack President or VP candidate to overcome, right now. Too many menwhite people still view womenblack people as the “little woman”other, and too many women reject feminism as overstepping female authorityblack people believe the country isn’t ready, either.

We’ve seen a woman serve as Speaker of the House. We’ve had a lot of women serve as governors (and many in red states in the middle of the country) and cabinet secretaries, not to mention in the Senate. We’ve had women run major, publicly traded corporations.

I think the country would be fine with a woman in the Oval Office. But Clinton carried a uniquely bad history. 30 years in the public eye and often with negative favorability. I suspect there was a lot of “just not that woman” among voters.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:15:51pm

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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:16:25pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

Y’all know why Snoop Dogg wears a rain jacket, right? For drizzle.

Part of me feels like that deserves a downding on principle. But I’ll refrain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:18:15pm
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Will Trump allow waterboarding? “We’re going to have a president who will never say what we’ll never do,” says Gov. Mike Pence.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:19:37pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:19:45pm

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

Obama was in the IL State Legislature and then a 1-term senator.

Agree, but IMO, he is a once-in-a-lifetime person!

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thedopefishlives  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:20:05pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, we can scratch a Churchill impression off of Drumpf’s list.

/Never give up, never surrender

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:20:22pm

Does anyone remember the movie “The Contender” from 1999 I believe?

A liberal President (played by Jeff Bridges) has to appoint a new VP because of the death of the VP. He nominates a female senator and the conservative opposition loses their fucking minds. They meet to make a plan to stop her by spreading fake news and rumors. One line that has always stayed with me “If you want to stab someone, drive the knife straight into the belly button. Gut that bitch in the belly.”

Of course it’s a movie and goodness prevails, unlike real life.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:21:34pm

re: #62 The Vicious Babushka

Does anyone remember the movie “The Contender” from 1999 I believe?

A liberal President (played by Jeff Bridges) has to appoint a new VP because of the death of the VP. He nominates a female senator and the conservative opposition loses their fucking minds. They meet to make a plan to stop her by spreading fake news and rumors. One line that has always stayed with me “If you want to stab someone, drive the knife straight into the belly button. Gut that bitch in the belly.”

Of course it’s a movie and goodness prevails, unlike real life.

Never saw but remember hearing it was good.

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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:22:13pm

re: #49 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re so used to the percentage points they gain by running against a black man or a woman, I don’t think they realize that’s what’s happening. Run a white male and that advantage would evaporate—and they’d be taken completely by surprise.

Ultimately, campaigns are driven by the candidate. I don’t know how much the gender and/or ethnicity of the candidate matters (it probably does in some places), I mean Nikki Haley, an Indian-American woman is the governor of South Effing Carolina and Bobby freakin’ Jindhal was governor of Louisiana. If the candidate can connect with voters and get them excited to vote for them, they have a good chance of winning. Trump connected with Republican voters and that’s why the nominated him. Clinton couldn’t excite the same voters that Obama did, and that’s why she lost.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:22:58pm

Oh, yeah, while I’m thinking about it: Fishfolk were in town this weekend to help out with taking care of us while Mrs. Fish is still under restrictions. They, of course, were all over the map with political crap, and I think a little bit of my dad’s concealed racism was coming out. Aaaaaaaaaaargh. I long for the day where I can speak freely and not be castigated as an ebil librul.

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scottslemmons  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:22:59pm

re: #10 Scottishdragon

Dammit all. SEK over at Lawyers, Guns and Money is in a pain medication coma tonight and not expected to wake up. He met with family and doctors this morning and declined further life support.

This fucking year cannot end soon enough.

His series with Oldman Cat was always the highlight of my day.

That’s deeply saddening. He’s been one of my favorite writers over there, and his scripts of all the bizarre things that happen to him — weird neighbors, students screwing in his office, all the cats — are glorious fun to read. :(

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:24:09pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF. (It needed capital letters, HW!) How about if D said he would never say if he would follow the law or not? Cool, huh?

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:24:12pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:25:24pm

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thedopefishlives  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:26:35pm

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You got elected to a public office, you fucking goon. Take your lumps like a man.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:30:04pm

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Noticing that the outraged tweeter retweeted that fake news WITHOUT saying it was fake, but whines at you for giving it attention. What a hypocrite.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:38:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:39:18pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

Noticing that the outraged tweeter retweeted that fake news WITHOUT saying it was fake, but whines at you for giving it attention. What a hypocrite.

He’s getting even worse now. As usual. Every exchange I have with a right winger always follows the same arc.

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Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:40:27pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

The “worse”? I guess when you’re lying Grammer is the least of your problems (and why does my iPad insist on capitalizing things I don’t want capitalized?)

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:52:36pm

re: #81 Interesting Times

Interesting how it’s quite literally “middle America” that went for trump the most. I would’ve expected the reddest spots to be in the deep south.

It’s pretty much all white in that area. Not only does the south have way more minorities, there are quite a few progressive areas.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:54:31pm

re: #85 Belafon

It’s pretty much all white in that area. Not only does the south have way more minorities, there are quite a few progressive areas.

Probably a fair number of northerners more liberal folks moving down there for jobs and retirement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:55:44pm

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:56:35pm

re: #87 retired cynic

Probably a fair number of northerners more liberal folks moving down there for jobs and retirement.

I’m going on record now as conceding that Clinton’s baggage was too much.

Now look at Georgia, and think of what a better Democrat could do. Think if what could happen if Republicans attempt to gut Medicare.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:57:05pm

re: #41 retired cynic

She was the most respected woman in the world for a lot of those 30 years.

Too bad she wasn’t for the head of the UN, eh?

Not that I don’t love Duckworth. I do! And am proud she is my senator. And she would be better than T or P right now. But I want her to keep learning about the levers of power. Maybe she will be ready in 2 years to start a run, but I think it may just be too early. The same worries me about the Castro brothers.

Tammy already has more experience in DC than Obama did in ‘08. We’ll she how she does in the Senate as a minority member. She’s a smart cookie, and I think she’ll do well. As to the Castro’s, I think they’ll concentrate on Texas for the next few years. They’re young and the demographics are coming to them.

I want the best person we can get, and if it is a white male, than I’m all in. We obviously are going to need someone with a lot of stage presence and ability to connect, and that ain’t easy.

I agree, but Obama came out of nowhere.

True story.

In July, 2004, a dear friend of She Who Must Be Obeyed, the late, great, Val Phillips (Sen. Al Gore Sr’s. ex Press Sec) visited us and said that she and her long-time companion Bob “Little” Mann (Ted Kennedy’s ex Press Sec) had signed on to sponsor a fund raiser at Gary Mauro’s house for a guy who was running for a Senate seat in Illinois with “the ridiculous name of Barack Hussein Obama”. Would we throw a hundred bucks in the pot and co-sponser?

Of course, we said, anything for you, Val.

The next month, he had a keynote at the Dem Convention. A favor for a friend turned out to be a pretty good idea. In September, we met the Candidate, I shared a smoke with him (I had a tin of Altoids! Be prepared!) and I gave him money every year, which got us Christmas cards, so I got to watch the girls grow up.

It’s a small world, but you wouldn’t want to paint it.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:57:09pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:57:55pm

re: #86 Belafon

If it’s not at a pool beer hall, it’s not legitimate.

FTFY

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:59:05pm

re: #90 austin_blue

I envy you that experience! I just followed him from afar from his time in state government here in Illinois.

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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2016 • 5:59:13pm

re: #90 austin_blue

I agree, but Obama came out of nowhere.

True story.

In July, 2004, a dear friend of She Who Must Be Obeyed, the late, great, Val Phillips (Sen. Al Gore Sr’s. ex Press Sec) visited us and said that she and her long-time companion Bob “Little” Mann (Ted Kennedy’s ex Press Sec) had signed on to sponsor a fund raiser at Gary Mauro’s house for a guy who was running for a Senate seat in Illinois with “the ridiculous name of Barack Hussein Obama”. Would we throw a hundred bucks in the pot and co-sponser?

Of course, we said, anything for you, Val.

The next month, he had a keynote at the Dem Convention. A favor for a friend turned out to be a pretty good idea. In September, we met the Candidate, I shared a smoke with him (I had a tin of Altoids! Be prepared!) and I gave him money every year, which got us Christmas cards, so I got to watch the girls grow up.

It’s a small world, but you wouldn’t want to paint it.

I remember watching Obama’s keynote speech in 2004, while in law school and a bit more to the right than I am now. As soon as he finished, my first thought was “that man will be president of the United States.” I didn’t think it’d happen that quickly, but hey…

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:01:12pm

re: #85 Belafon

It’s pretty much all white in that area. Not only does the south have way more minorities, there are quite a few progressive areas.

True. And Anymouse did always tell us how his Nebraska district was labeled “most likely to go to trump.” That map does indeed confirm what he’s been saying about how Democrats are pretty much dead in the water in that region :/

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:02:20pm

Sound guy crosses tunnel opening before Vikings game…doesn’t end well for sound guy.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:03:17pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…WTH did that woman think the play was about?

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Trump’s marketing presentation to diplomats at the hotel
Meeting with his Indian partners
Ivanka selling her trinkets after 60 Minutes
Jared’s brother’s business investor, Thiel
Trump’s Chinese loans
Trump’s taxes
Trump not setting foot in DC where his new JOB is
etc. etc.

Nope—let’s spend another week on Hamilton.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:08:19pm

re: #92 makeitstop

FTFY

I will continue to think/hope that all of Trump’s nominations involved the contestants fighting over a broken pool cue.

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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:08:39pm

re: #97 BeachDem

How many days of a story are they going to make this idiotic Hamilton bullshit? Shouldn’t they be covering:
Trump’s marketing presentation to diplomats at the hotel
Meeting with his Indian partners
Ivanka selling her trinkets after 60 Minutes
Jared’s brother’s business investor, Thiel
Trump’s Chinese loans
Trump’s taxes
Trump not setting foot in DC where his new JOB is
etc. etc.

Nope—let’s spend another week on Hamilton.

The fist reality TV president deserves reality TV press… or something…

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:10:46pm

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Targetpractice  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:11:33pm

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:11:34pm

re: #85 Belafon

It’s pretty much all white in that area. Not only does the south have way more minorities, there are quite a few progressive areas.

Black people.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:15:12pm

re: #51 Jebediah, RBG

Ugh!
I am a fan of tasteful playing, leave lots of space between notes when it is called for! A great guitarist can break your heart with just a few notes…

Neil Young “This Note’s For You”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:19:49pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:21:18pm

Should we also classify as “Fake News” media sources (*cough* NYT *cough*) that emphasize trivia (like the “Hamilton” brouhaha) over hard news (like the massive conflict of interest)

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Weaselone  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:23:05pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

Should we also classify as “Fake News” media sources (*cough* NYT *cough*) that emphasize trivia (like the “Hamilton” brouhaha) over hard news (like the massive conflict of interest)

Would there be any news sources left if that was one of the criteria?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:23:48pm

Starting to read of a crackdown on the DAPL protests this evening. Honestly, I can’t say I’m surprised. 😞

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:25:36pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:26:31pm

re: #110 Weaselone

Would there be any news sources left if that was one of the criteria?

Very few.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:27:31pm

re: #94 KGxvi

I remember watching Obama’s keynote speech in 2004, while in law school and a bit more to the right than I am now. As soon as he finished, my first thought was “that man will be president of the United States.” I didn’t think it’d happen that quickly, but hey…

Mauro requires that everyone who does a fundraiser at his house make a stump speech. Literally.

He’s got a three-foot tall, four-foot in diameter oak stump he makes candidates stand on and preach to the crowd. Obama did a cut-down version of the Convention speech. Gary’s backyard was packed. He was already a phenom. It was also 102 degrees that day. The Candidate first took off his suit coat, then his tie. He was streaming sweat.

I thought he was going to strip down to his skivvies. People kept a steady supply of ice water going to the stump. You know what? He loved it. We loved it, and him. He was just so fucking genuine and real and logical and cool.

Despite the ears that looked like a VW with the doors open. He is the best President of my life, and I am so proud of what he has been able to accomplish against a horde of mouth breathing gaspers and their minions.

Well done, sir.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:32:19pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Mauro requires that everyone who does a fundraiser at this house make a stub speech. Literally.

He’s got a three-foot tall, four-foot in diameter oak stump he makes candidates stand on and preach to the crowd. Obama did a cut-down version of the Convention speech. Gary’s backyard was packed. He was already a phenom. It was also 102 degrees that day. The Candidate first took off his suit coat, then his tie. He was streaming sweat.

I thought he was going to strip down to his skivvies. People kept a steady supply of ice water going to the stump. You know what? He loved it. We loved it, and him. He was just so fucking genuine and real and logical and cool.

Despite the ears that looked like a VW with the doors open. He is the best President of my life, and I am so proud of what he has been able to accomplish against a horde of mouth breathing gaspers and their minions.

Well done, sir.

Your comment make me want to go out and press for changing the laws so he can run again!

I’d vote for him. I think a lot of people would.

Special vote due to mitigating circumstances…Nut in The House.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:32:30pm

First, there was the Bush portrait made of pictures of sphincters…now we get dick Donald.

dangerousminds.net

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:35:36pm

Just saw this on the Wonkette & The Daily Kos:

I Will NOT Be Tolerant…
By Unknown

I listened as they called my President a Muslim.
I listened as they called him and his family a pack of monkeys. I listened as they said he wasn’t born here.
I watched as they blocked every single path to progress that they could.
I saw the pictures of him as Hitler.
I watched them shut down the government and hurt the entire nation, twice.
I watched them turn their backs on every opportunity to open worthwhile dialogs.
I watched them say that they would not even listen to any choice for Supreme Court no matter who the nominee was.
I listened as they openly said that they will oppose him at every turn. I watched as they did just that.
I listened.
I watched.
I paid attention.
Now, I’m being called on to be tolerant.
To move forward.
To denounce protesters.
To “Get over it.”
To accept this…

I will not.

I will do my part to make sure this great American mistake becomes the embarrassing footnote of our history that it deserves to be.
I will do this as quickly as possible every chance I get.
I will do my part to limit the damage that this man can do to my country.
I will watch his every move and point out every single mistake and misdeed in a loud and proud voice.
I will let you know in a loud voice every time this man backs away from a promise he made to them.
Them. The people who voted for him.
The ones who sold their souls and prayed for him to win.
I will do this so that they never forget.
And they will hear me.
They will see it in my eyes when I look at them.
They will hear it in my voice when I talk to them.
They will know that I know who they are.
They will know that I know what they are.
Do not call for my tolerance. I’ve tolerated all I can.
Now it’s their turn to tolerate ridicule.
Be aware, make no mistake about it, every single thing that goes wrong in our country from this day forward is now Trump’s fault just as much as they thought it was Obama’s.
I find it unreasonable for them to expect from me what they were entirely unwilling to give.”

Author Unknown

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:40:58pm

Today I printed off letters & mailed to my 2 Senators & my Congress rep. They are all (D) so I hope I get an answer.

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DAMN them!

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:51:10pm

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

Today I printed off letters & mailed to my 2 Senators & my Congress rep. They are all (D) so I hope I get an answer.

Both of us have called our two Senators (Cruz and Cornyn) and told them of our pleasure with Prince Rebus and our horror with Bannon. Apparently, phone calls are more heavily weighted than snail mail and much more than e-mails. Go figure.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:54:45pm

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I wish I didn’t have a fucking conscience. I’d make so much money off fucking Trump supporters.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:56:17pm

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:57:23pm

re: #130 darthstar

I wish I didn’t have a fucking conscience. I’d make so much money off fucking Trump supporters.

Dude, just go for it. Make them suffer. The meek may inherit the earth, but only after they have been bled dry by Capitalists.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:57:36pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 6:58:05pm

re: #126 retired cynic

DAMN them!

Yup. This is getting ugly.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:02:30pm

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Gah, I’d better go back to my books for now… 😡

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:02:56pm

re: #135 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Who is in charge there? Is there no one up the chain of command that can tell them to quite that?

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:03:41pm

Wait—Melania’s going to work with an interior designer of her choice (at our expense, I’m sure) to add “personal style” (oy) to a place where she refuses to live?

Mkay.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:04:34pm

re: #138 BeachDem

Wait—Melania’s going to work with an interior designer of her choice (at our expense, I’m sure) to add “personal style” (oy) to a place where she refuses to live?

Mkay.

Vomit.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:07:12pm

re: #138 BeachDem

Wait—Melania’s going to work with an interior designer of her choice (at our expense, I’m sure) to add “personal style” (oy) to a place where she refuses to live?

Mkay.

Balkan chic. Can’t wait. Maybe they’ll use Yugos for limos.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:10:49pm

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Does he have any strings he can pull?

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:11:56pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

I finally watched Selma last night, after buying it months ago. Seeing this so soon afterwards makes me furious because it’s so fresh in my mind.

Gah, I’d better go back to my books for now… 😡

I had started a new book for some escape—Jodi Picoult’s new one—about a labor and delivery nurse—only to read two chapters, one of which was a history of the growth of a white militia group. NOPE. Not right now.

Switched to read Barbara Kingsolver’s “Flight Behavior.” Much more soothing—and I’d forgotten how much I like her writing. (Must admit, I’m probably in the minority, but “Poisonwood Bible” was my least favorite of all her books—yeah, I’m a weirdo.)

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:13:36pm

re: #143 retired cynic

Does he have any strings he can pull?

I wish I knew. I wish I knew…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:16:37pm

re: #144 BeachDem

I had started a new book for some escape—Jodi Picoult’s new one—about a labor and delivery nurse—only to read two chapters, one of which was a history of the growth of a white militia group. NOPE. Not right now.

Switched to read Barbara Kingsolver’s “Flight Behavior.” Much more soothing—and I’d forgotten how much I like her writing. (Must admit, I’m probably in the minority, but “Poisonwood Bible” was my least favorite of all her books—yeah, I’m a weirdo.)

I have the Ghostbusters reboot in my Netflix queue.

Also reading a bunch of Linwood Barclay mysteries. He’s a Canadian author but sets all his stories in upstate NY or CT. His writing is similar to Harlan Coben, if Coben’s NJ upscale yuppies were hit hard by recession.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:18:43pm

re: #141 austin_blue

Balkan chic. Can’t wait. Maybe they’ll use Yugos for limos.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:22:56pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

My hair is already white. But if it wasn’t….

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:25:05pm
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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:26:56pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

I have the Ghostbusters reboot in my Netflix queue.

Also reading a bunch of Linwood Barclay mysteries. He’s a Canadian author but sets all his stories in upstate NY or CT. His writing is similar to Harlan Coben, if Coben’s NJ upscale yuppies were hit hard by recession.

Going to look him up right now. Was so excited when the new Harlan Coben book appeared on my kindle machine, only to discover it was a Myron Bolitar book and I’m just not crazy about those. Disappoint.

Waiting impatiently for the final book in the Greg Iles series—I think February? Pre-ordered it months ago.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:30:08pm

Chemtrails?

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:35:04pm

re: #154 Single-handed sailor

Chemtrails?

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:42:10pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

I have the Ghostbusters reboot in my Netflix queue.

Also reading a bunch of Linwood Barclay mysteries. He’s a Canadian author but sets all his stories in upstate NY or CT. His writing is similar to Harlan Coben, if Coben’s NJ upscale yuppies were hit hard by recession.

OK—just downloaded “Never Look Away” and “No Time for Goodbye.” Looks like all but a few series are standalones, so hope it doesn’t matter what order I read them…

Thanks for the name—always looking for new/different authors.

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:44:02pm

I didn’t even know this was a thing, but I guess it is.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:45:09pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

He’s got a million distractions in the pipeline.

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ipsos  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:47:44pm

Can anyone explain to me why Disney’s lawyers haven’t managed to get that ABC News dot com dot co fake-news site shut down? Surely they know it’s there. Surely they know it’s infringing their trademarks. So…WTF?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:49:02pm

Re: the DAPL disgrace:

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2016 • 7:51:46pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:04:42pm
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@Tonya_Song is a good friend of mine (and worthy of a follow, IMO).

Words fail to properly express just how goddam sick I am right now.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:05:36pm

re: #163 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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@Tonya_Song is a good friend of mine (and worthy of a follow, IMO).Words fail to properly express just how goddam sick I am right now.

I don’t have the connections, but I am sick with you!

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:05:39pm

Contact info:

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:09:38pm

re: #165 Interesting Times

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I just called all four numbers. All four disconnect, are out of service, mailbox full, accepting no calls.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:11:22pm

He did say chemtrails!

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:13:20pm

re: #166 retired cynic

Damn them.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:20:36pm

re: #166 retired cynic

I just called all four numbers. All four disconnect, are out of service, mailbox full, accepting no calls.

Why am I not fucking surprised at this?

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:22:20pm

re: #169 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The National Guard says hang on to choose a selection, then disconnects. The Governor’s office says leave a number and says the mailbox is full. Gee, you’d think they don’t want to hear from us!

I have minor surgery in the morning, and need to get some sleep, but this has me so angry….

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:24:38pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:26:58pm

re: #170 retired cynic

The National Guard says hang on to choose a selection, then disconnects. The Governor’s office says leave a number and says the mailbox is full. Gee, you’d think they don’t want to hear from us!

I have minor surgery in the morning, and need to get some sleep, but this has me so angry….

Good luck with the surgery. I am utterly dumbfounded. God forbid what will happen under Fuckface von Clownstick.

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:29:43pm

re: #144 BeachDem

I had started a new book for some escape—Jodi Picoult’s new one—about a labor and delivery nurse—only to read two chapters, one of which was a history of the growth of a white militia group. NOPE. Not right now.

Switched to read Barbara Kingsolver’s “Flight Behavior.” Much more soothing—and I’d forgotten how much I like her writing. (Must admit, I’m probably in the minority, but “Poisonwood Bible” was my least favorite of all her books—yeah, I’m a weirdo.)

I looked for and downloaded two “funny cozy mysteries”, myself.

We watched Weiner-Dog last night. Like 2016 didn’t already suck? Definitely skip that horrible flick. We both desperately needed some laughter and light after that. Finding Dory delivered.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:30:15pm

re: #172 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Thank you. Just cataract surgery. EZ. But sleeping may not be.

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allegro  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:33:05pm

What are the laws involved WRT the president intervening? I cannot believe this is going on.

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:33:12pm

re: #153 BeachDem

Going to look him up right now. Was so excited when the new Harlan Coben book appeared on my kindle machine, only to discover it was a Myron Bolitar book and I’m just not crazy about those. Disappoint.

Waiting impatiently for the final book in the Greg Iles series—I think February? Pre-ordered it months ago.

OMG, I didn’t know that was a Bolitar book. I love those!!

Bye. Off to get a Myron fix!

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:34:59pm

re: #172 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Good luck with the surgery. I am utterly dumbfounded. God forbid what will happen under Fuckface von Clownstick.

To be clear, the POTUS has no standing with the Governor of ND, the Morton County Sheriff’s office, or the ND National Guard. Sorry, I feel for these people, truly, but Obama has no standing to stop these actions.

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electrotek  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:35:38pm

Welp, I finally grew some balls on FB.

I saw a friend that I’ve known since high school for almost 18 years share a link to Pamela Geller’s site. I told him that I do not wish to be in touch with anyone who cites a deranged woman cited in a Norwegian terrorist’s manifesto, and bid him my trademark: “gurl, bye”.

Deleted and blocked.

This wasn’t a zero-tolerance measure either. I let his bullshit pass by, and even called him out on sharing posts by Britain First, in hopes of him seeing the errors of his ways. But he didn’t learn, and he kept on going. Well homie, hope it’s worth losing an almost 2 decade long friendship because you kept exhibiting your hatred for all to see. Gave you plenty of chances for atonement, but you didn’t take heed. You made your own bed, hope it’s worth it.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:36:50pm

re: #177 austin_blue

To be clear, the POTUS has no standing with the Governor of ND, the Morton County Sheriff’s office, or the ND National Guard. Sorry, I feel for these people, truly, but Obama has no standing to stop these actions.

I was afraid of that. State’s Rights!

Even if it involves an Indian reservation?

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:40:15pm

re: #179 retired cynic

I was afraid of that. State’s Rights!

Even if it involves an Indian reservation?

Not if it involves an issue associated with eminent domain as declared by the State. That Trumps (heh) all else.

Edited to fix eminent. I’m a dumbass.

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:42:07pm

re: #177 austin_blue

To be clear, the POTUS has no standing with the Governor of ND, the Morton County Sheriff’s office, or the ND National Guard. Sorry, I feel for these people, truly, but Obama has no standing to stop these actions.

Er…even if the police decided to outright massacre the protestors? And to be clear, they’re assaulting them with water cannons in sub-freezing temperatures, which could cause hypothermia to set in within minutes. This is torture at best, attempted murder at worst.

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geosherman  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:44:29pm

A little something to temper all the anxiety producing comments….

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Pt. Mugu State Park May 2015 - Plummers Mariposa Lily.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:44:50pm

re: #181 Interesting Times

Er…even if the police decided to outright massacre the protestors? And to be clear, they’re assaulting them with water cannons in sub-freezing temperatures, which could cause hypothermia to set in within minutes. This is torture at best, attempted murder at worst.

That’s what galls me. Those LEOs want another Kent State because fuck the protesters.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:47:10pm

I realized about two minutes in that Charlie Hunter is soundtracking the inside of my head. This track feels like my thought process on a typical day.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:48:45pm

re: #181 Interesting Times

Er…even if the police decided to outright massacre the protestors? And to be clear, they’re assaulting them with water cannons in sub-freezing temperatures, which could cause hypothermia to set in within minutes. This is torture at best, attempted murder at worst.

Then the Chain of Command, from the Governor’s office, through the National Guard, down to a lowly Morton County Trooper, should be charged with assault, attempted murder, and reckless endangerment by the Justice Department after the fact.

That might teach State’s that their actions have consequences. But ordering them to stand down tonight?

Pffft. No standing, no relief. It really really sucks, doesn’t it?

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2016 • 8:56:46pm

In case you weren’t sure, the Cowboys are a religion: Dallas Cowboys Fans Watch the Team Play Against Ravens on Big Screen During Church Service:

Sunday is a holy day for Christians to worship and praise to the Lord. But if you’re in Dallas, it’s a day to keep track of Cowboys game score no matter where you are, and that includes church.

The kickoff for today’s Ravens-Cowboys game was at 1 p.m. ET, but Dallas is located within the Central Time zone. Therefore, the 12 p.m. kickoff coincided with the time of this Dallas, Texas church service. Since the Cowboys have the league’s best record (9-1), someone in this church’s clergy thought that instead of people sneaking peeks at their smartphones while sitting in the pews, why not just have them look up at a big screen behind the pulpit to show the game? Great idea for the service’s attendants who may have nodded off to sleep during the sermon without the game on display.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:04:09pm

re: #182 geosherman

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electrotek  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:05:54pm

So will we see Trumpkins trash their 2 decade old copies of Dookie in protest of Green Day denouncing Trump on the AMA’s?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:08:50pm

re: #188 electrotek

So will we see Trumpkins trash their 2 decade old copies of Dookie in protest of Green Day denouncing Trump on the AMA’s?

Only a problem if they completely ignored American Idiot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:12:04pm

re: #181 Interesting Times

Does Obama have the power to send in the National Guard?

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:12:56pm

re: #190 Eclectic Cyborg

I think it is the ND National Guard that is involved. ??

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:14:20pm

re: #191 retired cynic

I think it is the ND National Guard that is involved. ??

Right.

Army Reserve: Obama.

ND National Guard: Governor of ND.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:14:22pm

re: #190 Eclectic Cyborg

Does Obama have the power to send in the National Guard?

National Guard is already there under the Governor’s orders. Obama could, in theory, federalize them but I doubt that’s going to happen.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:15:36pm

re: #193 Timothy Watson

National Guard is already there under the Governor’s orders. Obama could, in theory, federalize them but I doubt that’s going to happen.

It is a case of wishful thinking.

I get why. I do.

I will be less sympathetic when this whole thing is cast as Obama’s fault and a reason to sit out elections again going forward, because the Democrats are just as bad. (And you know it’s coming.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:18:16pm

Well even IF lives are at risk I don’t see Obama has many options.

As much as that sucks.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:19:54pm

re: #192 austin_blue

Right.

Army Reserve: Obama.

ND National Guard: Governor of ND.

The Kent State massacre happened because Ohio Governor James Rhodes sent in the Ohio National Guard… who opened fire on the protestors with next to no warning.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:20:27pm

re: #186 Belafon

In case you weren’t sure, the Cowboys are a religion: Dallas Cowboys Fans Watch the Team Play Against Ravens on Big Screen During Church Service:

Yup. Texas serves two gods: Jeezus and Football.

One of the smaller megachurches, a couple of towns over from where I used to live, hangs a forty-foot banner advertising their football-friendly Sunday service which is timed specifically to be over before the game.

I don’t live there anymore. I am glad.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:22:29pm

re: #197 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yup. Texas serves two gods: Jeezus and Football.

One of the smaller megachurches, a couple of towns over from where I used to live, hangs a forty-foot banner advertising their football-friendly Sunday service which is timed specifically to be over before the game.

I don’t live there anymore. I am glad.

They’re not the only state that does this. My mom’s family is from WI, and green and gold Sundays are a thing. In the smaller towns, like where she grew up, if the pastor rides circuit (preaches in multiple churches on Sunday morning - hers was an early, middle, late schedule), if the late service would interfere with the game, it was cancelled and folks drove to go to one of the earlier ones.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:22:48pm

re: #197 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yup. Texas serves two gods: Jeezus and Football.

One of the smaller megachurches, a couple of towns over from where I used to live, hangs a forty-foot banner advertising their football-friendly Sunday service which is timed specifically to be over before the game.

I don’t live there anymore. I am glad.

Whatever it takes to get them in the door and a dollar in the bucket.

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:26:21pm

re: #192 austin_blue

Right.

Army Reserve: Obama.

ND National Guard: Governor of ND.

Obama can federalize the National Guard.

On September 24, 1957 President Dwight D. Eisenhower federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard in order to ensure the safe entry of the Little Rock Nine to Little Rock Central High School the following day. Governor Orval Faubus had previously used members of the guard to deny the students entry to the school.

He could do likewise here however being a lame duck to a racist, that could precipitate a wider violent confrontation.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:28:21pm

re: #176 MsJ

OMG, I didn’t know that was a Bolitar book. I love those!!

Bye. Off to get a Myron fix!

I’m not a Bolitar fan, but thought it was pretty good, so you’ll probably love it.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:28:48pm

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It is a case of wishful thinking.

I get why. I do.

I will be less sympathetic when this whole thing is cast as Obama’s fault and a reason to sit out elections again going forward, because the Democrats are just as bad. (And you know it’s coming.)

I’m a bit more worried about the likelihood that what is happening here is no doubt being looked over and studied by Pence and Bannon.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:34:26pm

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Look at that bloody skunk stripe right down the center, in the middle of Fuck-You-Nowhere. That… is really something.

And I’m pleased to see my county, and even the counties of South Carolina just across the river, lean filthy liburl. HUH. Interesting

Fun fact: Voter turnout in my county of GA was 73.1%.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:36:24pm

re: #183 Myron Falwell (no relation)

That’s what galls me. Those LEOs want another Kent State because fuck the protesters.

I know it’s not much, but I just sent them a donation—at least to let them know people are out here. It is really sad and infuriating—and kind of a harbinger of what’s to come.

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Kragar  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:37:55pm

Water is falling from the sky.

The End Times are upon us.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:38:48pm

re: #202 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m a bit more worried about the likelihood that what is happening here is no doubt being looked over and studied by Pence and Bannon.

Ferguson. Baltimore. Not to mention all the historical precedents. (And we know how they love them some historical precedents.)

What precedent I’m really not keen on is presidential overreach of authority. I’m sure they’re already happily looking for any and all examples. We don’t need to hand them a blatant one.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:39:04pm

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It is a case of wishful thinking.

I get why. I do.

I will be less sympathetic when this whole thing is cast as Obama’s fault and a reason to sit out elections again going forward, because the Democrats are just as bad. (And you know it’s coming.)

It’s not just coming, it’s already being voiced other places. Think I need to go to bed.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:39:11pm

re: #176 MsJ

OMG, I didn’t know that was a Bolitar book. I love those!!

Bye. Off to get a Myron fix!

I thought you were talking about me for a fleeting moment! 🙀

// 😸

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:40:42pm

re: #207 BeachDem

It’s not just coming, it’s already being voiced other places. Think I need to go to bed.

I know. That’s what prompted my comment in the first place.

I get it. I do. I really would like someone to swoop in and fix everything right now. I would be 100% there for that.

But that’s not the reality I live in.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:46:26pm

The AMA show was on TV, I guess, but I’ll have to watch it later when it’s available here in China — if it isn’t already. Bruno Mars performed, and the guys dancing with him here are the Jabbawockeez, out of LA IIRC. Caught this on Twitter.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:46:53pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:49:45pm

re: #209 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I know. That’s what prompted my comment in the first place.

I get it. I do. I really would like someone to swoop in and fix everything right now. I would be 100% there for that.

But that’s not the reality I live in.

Part of that is the reason I’m angry, and why others should be. SteinBots were already spinning that narrative for months and months.

I do wish that there was more people trying to properly explain the separation of powers, because there’s some stuff that I learned about tonight on here for the first time (and others my memory got really foggy on).

He really shouldn’t have to do it, but it may be incumbent on President Obama to explain why he can’t do anything within his Constitutional limits, if also to place the blame where it belongs, on the state.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 9:57:36pm

re: #206 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ferguson. Baltimore. Not to mention all the historical precedents. (And we know how they love them some historical precedents.)

What precedent I’m really not keen on is presidential overreach of authority. I’m sure they’re already happily looking for any and all examples. We don’t need to hand them a blatant one.

For that (and now understanding the limits of authority), I concur.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:00:16pm

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Sunscreen. Water. Parasols. Snake-bite kits. Protein bars. Just in case.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:02:15pm

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:05:37pm

re: #213 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Part of that is the reason I’m angry, and why others should be. SteinBots were already spinning that narrative for months and months.

I do wish that there was more people trying to properly explain the separation of powers, because there’s some stuff that I learned about tonight on here for the first time (and others my memory got really foggy on).

He really shouldn’t have to do it, but it may be incumbent on President Obama to explain why he can’t do anything within his Constitutional limits, if also to place the blame where it belongs, on the state.

There is a time for explaining, unfortunately in the heat of the moment no one is going to listen.

The old political saw comes up again: If you’re explaining, you’re losing.

Civics classes would do wonders for trying to explain the separation of powers, but right now all you’ll see is the protesters complaining “why isn’t President Obama doing something” and opponents complaining about the protesters. Neither side is going to listen to reasoned explanations. Neither side is even listening to each other.

As much as I support the protest going on now, they are going to lose. North Dakota is going to keep piling in forces until the protesters are removed or dead.

As for someone prosecuting the state governor or the police for assault or whatnot, that won’t happen. Aside from asking who would do it, the police and the National Guard are under the orders of the state governor anyway.

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:09:17pm

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It is a case of wishful thinking.

I get why. I do.

I will be less sympathetic when this whole thing is cast as Obama’s fault and a reason to sit out elections again going forward, because the Democrats are just as bad. (And you know it’s coming.)

And both sides will do it in this case. The right will claim the lawlessness of the left under the Democrats, the left will claim the Democrats didn’t do anything. They will blame both sides, never mind that President Obama has no authority to do anything and the governor of North Dakota is a Republican.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:09:59pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:13:48pm

re: #218 Anymouse

And both sides will do it in this case. The right will claim the lawlessness of the left under the Democrats, the left will claim the Democrats didn’t do anything. They will blame both sides, never mind that President Obama has no authority to do anything and the governor of North Dakota is a Republican.

Considering how much my brain melted down over hearing “both sides do it” used improperly over the past few months, I hope you’re okay with me reading it as “it’s nothing but a lose-lose proposition.”

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:14:43pm

re: #220 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Considering how much my brain melted down over hearing “both sides do it” over the past few months, I hope you’re okay with me reading it as “it’s nothing but a lose-lose proposition.”

No shit.

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:15:10pm

Four or Five Novels to Prepare You for Life in Trump’s America Like Anything Could Prepare You for That

(Goes to Wonkette)

On their list, I’ve only read one (“It Can’t Happen Here”). Perhaps I should get the others before they are banned or something.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:15:54pm

re: #220 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Considering how much my brain melted down over hearing “both sides do it” used improperly over the past few months, I hope you’re okay with me reading it as “it’s nothing but a lose-lose proposition.”

At the moment, reality does feel like a lose-lose proposition.

At least sometimes.

Tonight’s one of those nights.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:17:53pm

re: #223 klys (maker of Silmarils)

At the moment, reality does feel like a lose-lose proposition.

At least sometimes.

Tonight’s one of those nights.

Without a doubt.

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:18:08pm

I stand corrected: I also have read “Handmaid’s Tale.” (brrr. Not looking forward to all those wingnuts from The Family moving into the government.)

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:31:02pm

re: #225 Anymouse

I stand corrected: I also have read “Handmaid’s Tale.” (brrr. Not looking forward to all those wingnuts from The Family moving into the government.)

Chilling dystopias make for the creepiest late night reading. That one made me go into a fetal position.

The vast majority of Americans don’t know what the real Dominionist plan for the future of our Republic is, and would run shrieking from it if they did, as if Cthulhu was hot on their tails.

So! Good times await us all. All hail Lord Pence! We shall be his minions to initiate the end times. Who’d have thought that Charlie Stross was a prophet?

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:36:37pm

re: #227 austin_blue

Chilling dystopias make for the creepiest late night reading. That one made me go into a fetal position.

The vast majority of Americans don’t know what the real Dominionist plan for the future of our Republic is, and would run shrieking from it if they did, as if Cthulhu was hot on their tails.

So! Good times await us all. All hail Lord Pence! We shall be his minions to initiate the end times. Who’d have thought that Charlie Stross was a prophet?

Well, we already know Dominionists (and their so-called pro-life allies) want to abolish not only safe abortion, but contraception and marriage equality as well. On top of that, that is why Focus on the Family set itself up next to the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs and started subverting the staff there.

At the New York Review of Books, Masha Gessen wrote Autocracy: Rules for Survival - a worthwhile read of her experience in Russia.

Make no mistake, if this merry band of wingnuts carries out a portion of what they said on the campaign trail we are in for a world of hurt. Even liberal oases like California or Massachusetts won’t be safe.

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 10:57:14pm

re: #227 austin_blue

Chilling dystopias make for the creepiest late night reading. That one made me go into a fetal position.

The vast majority of Americans don’t know what the real Dominionist plan for the future of our Republic is, and would run shrieking from it if they did, as if Cthulhu was hot on their tails.

So! Good times await us all. All hail Lord Pence! We shall be his minions to initiate the end times. Who’d have thought that Charlie Stross was a prophet?

One of the commentators over at Wonkette is a teacher, and notes that she gave a choice for reading assignments, one of which was “A Handmaid’s Tale.”

A girl in the class chose that book, and shortly thereafter Mom came piling into the classroom to object to that particular book. (Seventh Day Adventist)

The objection to the book was not the oppressive theocratic society, but the single dullest sex scene in all of fiction that is in that book.

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Kragar  Nov 20, 2016 • 11:02:29pm

Got the scheme down for my Thousand Sons now

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 11:04:36pm

re: #230 Anymouse

One of the commentators over at Wonkette is a teacher, and notes that she gave a choice for reading assignments, one of which was “A Handmaid’s Tale.”

A girl in the class chose that book, and shortly thereafter Mom came piling into the classroom to object to that particular book. (Seventh Day Adventist)

The objection to the book was not the oppressive theocratic society, but the single dullest sex scene in all of fiction that is in that book.

Good point. Atwood would never have made a good porn writer. No “roman pillars of manhood”, no “quivering loins”, or “convulsive throes of ecstasy”. Not even a pearl necklace.

Just Nobel-worthy fiction. What was that teacher thinking?

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 11:06:44pm

re: #232 austin_blue

Good point. Atwood would never have made a good porn writer. No “roman pillars of manhood”, no “quivering loins”, or “convulsive throes of ecstasy”. Not even a pearl necklace.

Just Nobel-worthy fiction. What was that teacher thinking?

I wouldn’t even make a good porn writer, and I edit the stuff. (::

Now I wonder if I should have used my real name in editing. It’s on the Internet and they can come looking for me.

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 11:17:26pm

Who’d’ve thought that a Presidential campaign would turn out like Mel Brooks’s “The Producers?”

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 11:24:43pm

re: #234 Anymouse

Who’d’ve thought that a Presidential campaign would turn out like Mel Brooks’s “The Producers?”

Yup. They’re the dog that caught the car and are thinking, their teeth locked onto the number, “Now what?”.

Actually governing is tough. What a fucking cluster fuck of a shit show we’re in for over the next two years.

Save us, Flying Spaghetti Monster! Save us from ourselves!

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 11:29:00pm

With all the C Street wingnuts set to move into positions of power in the administration, I am reminded of this. Though I am an atheist, I would note to my Christian acquaintances here that these folk have already been described in the past.

“And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty … And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon…”

~ Revelations 16:12-16 KJV

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Anymouse  Nov 20, 2016 • 11:36:45pm

re: #160 ipsos

Can anyone explain to me why Disney’s lawyers haven’t managed to get that ABC News dot com dot co fake-news site shut down? Surely they know it’s there. Surely they know it’s infringing their trademarks. So…WTF?

Perhaps Disney doesn’t know. I’m not sure how to inform them, though.

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austin_blue  Nov 20, 2016 • 11:46:09pm

re: #236 Anymouse

With all the C Street wingnuts set to move into positions of power in the administration, I am reminded of this. Though I am an atheist, I would note to my Christian acquaintances here that these folk have already been described in the past.

Well, I’ve always thought, (and I spent two years in a Jesuit high school) that the purported writer of Revelations, John-Boy, found some high powered psychotropic cacti in some uninhabited desert while writing that particular screed. Why it got included in the modern New testament while the Apochrypha and Gnostics got trashed is beyond me.

In any case, adios, adieu, I’m off for the rack, and this reality we are in still sucks a little teeny Trump sized tallywacker.

I keep thinking I’ll wake up and things will be different.

Fortunately, time wounds all heels.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 12:23:47am

Trump fans mistake Ontario’s Hamilton Theatre for the musical “Hamilton” and open fire on Twitter against Ontario’s oldest theatre company:

thestar.com (Goes to the Toronto Star)

Hamilton Theatre Inc. received dozens of angry tweets over the weekend, but not because they’d done something wrong.

Many angry Americans had mistaken the Ontario theatre company’s Twitter handle — @HamiltonTheatre — for that of Hamilton, the hit Broadway musical (@HamiltonMusical), the cast and crew of which had criticized Donald Trump’s running mate Mike Pence Friday night.

Riane Leonard, a member of the Canadian company’s production team and manager of its Twitter account, first noticed the online activity on Friday night and thought it was just audience members talking about enjoying The Toxic Avenger, the show now being staged by the Steeltown troupe. She said Sunday that once she read the tweets — one said the company “should be held accountable for their human rights violations” — she thought, “What could we possibly have done to deserve this?”

Leonard managed to piece together what had happened by looking at what was trending on social media.

The article continues at the newspaper linked above.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2016 • 1:21:00am

re: #238 austin_blue

Well, I’ve always thought, (and I spent two years in a Jesuit high school) that the purported writer of Revelations, John-Boy, found some high powered psychotropic cacti in some uninhabited desert while writing that particular screed. Why it got included in the modern New testament while the Apochrypha and Gnostics got trashed is beyond me.

In any case, adios, adieu, I’m off for the rack, and this reality we are in still sucks a little teeny Trump sized tallywacker.

I keep thinking I’ll wake up and things will be different.

Fortunately, time wounds all heels.

IIRC, the Book of Revelations was considered rather dubious by some early Christians. In any event, I’ve often chalked up John of Patmos’ visions the result of unwittingly consuming a particular type of mushroom one fine evening. Either that, or he had one hell of a nightmare, inspired by Old Testament/Judaic apocalyptic literature, and interpreted it as some manner of divine message. Back in the day when I read the Bible as a kid, my take it on it was it’s simply your usual end-of-the-world potboiler stuff and just as many cultures out there have their myths of a beginning of all things, many have an end to all things as well.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 1:26:14am

Well, folks, I’m off to bed. Gotta get some sleep to plan my next liberal subversion of freedom.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 1:29:43am

re: #240 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, it’s the OT apocalypticism in repaired clothes. Plus the clever use of allegories to refer to contemporaries, which probably means the author, whoever it was, was sober when he was writing.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:37:50am

re: #165 Interesting Times

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Scout  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:01:32am

Forgive me if you folks have already seen this story, but as I type this it’s the No. 1 trending story on the NY Times site:

Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump’s Election With a Salute: ‘Heil Victory’

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:18:16am

re: #153 BeachDem

Going to look him up right now. Was so excited when the new Harlan Coben book appeared on my kindle machine, only to discover it was a Myron Bolitar book and I’m just not crazy about those. Disappoint.

Waiting impatiently for the final book in the Greg Iles series—I think February? Pre-ordered it months ago.

I thought “The Bone Tree” was a big disappointment. Apart from the fast that it took him 10 years to write (it’s set in 2005, right after Hurricane Katrina) it also rambles and wanders through 50-year-old JFK assassination conspiracy land.

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Weaselone  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:22:08am

re: #239 Anymouse

Trump fans mistake Ontario’s Hamilton Theatre for the musical “Hamilton” and open fire on Twitter against Ontario’s oldest theatre company:

thestar.com (Goes to the Toronto Star)

The article continues at the newspaper linked above.

The article is also inaccurate. The Hamilton cast did not criticize Pence.

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Lupin  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:53:27am

A small ray of light: yesterday French voters rejected the wannnabe Drumpf Sarkozy in the first round of the Open Primaries. With only 20% of the vote, he as grounded and announced he was retiring from politics.

Fillion won with 44% and will wrestle against Juppé (28%) in the second round. Fillion’s program is more conservative (by French standards) than Juppé, but left-leaning voters (about 15% of total) found him more personally palatable than Juppé, seen as old and belonging to the “old guard.”

Sarkozy had bet on an overall lower participation and and increased % of “racist vote” but the exact opposite happened, hence his trouncing.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:08:58am

This should be alarming:

Powerful Japanese lawmaker urges re-evaluation of U.S. relationship with Trump taking office

Japan must undertake a major review of the way its decades-long alliance with the United States works and adopt a more proactive approach toward its top ally after Donald Trump takes office in January, a veteran Diet member said Monday in Tokyo.

Come next year, “Japan can’t just sit back and do what it’s told to do by the United States. We must make active proposals and swiftly reform our foreign policy where necessary. Otherwise, we shouldn’t try and embark on what will become a very tough negotiation” on various issues with the U.S. under Trump, Shigeru Ishiba, a heavyweight in the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, said at the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of Japan.

Ishiba, a former defense minister and LDP secretary-general, met with Michael Flynn, […]

“He had a very accurate understanding of how important the Japan-U.S. alliance is,” Ishiba said of Flynn. But this is not to say, Ishiba emphasized, that the two were complacent about the Japan-U.S. relationship. In fact, Ishiba said, they had a shared understanding that it “cannot remain as it is.”

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Ishiba can be very Trump-y in his authoritarianism:

Secrecy law protests ‘act of terrorism’: LDP secretary-general

Citizens demonstrating against the controversial state secrets bill are committing “an act terrorism,” according to Liberal Democratic Party Secretary-General Shigeru Ishiba.

In a blog post Friday, he wrote: “If you want to realize your ideas and principles, you should follow the democratic principles, by gaining as much support as you can. I think the strategy of merely shouting one’s opinions at the top of one’s lungs is not so fundamentally different from an act of terrorism.”

In a speech Sunday in Toyama Prefecture, Ishiba maintained his criticism of the rallies being held outside the prime minister’s office. More than 1,000 people gathered there last Tuesday when the ruling coalition rammed the state secrets bill through the Lower House.

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Ishiba can be a real nut case in some aspects, such as his UFO-ology.

He’s also for Japan having a nuclear weapons deterrent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:17:48am

re: #246 Weaselone

The article is also inaccurate. The Hamilton cast did not criticize Pence.

In the larger, truthier sense, they did. And our Prez Elect says they did, so they did. Stop arguing with the inevitable Post Truth of things.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:50:08am

re: #230 Anymouse

The objection to the book was not the oppressive theocratic society, but the single dullest sex scene in all of fiction that is in that book.

That got a massive snork out of me, very apt description, too.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:54:35am

re: #238 austin_blue

Why it got included in the modern New testament while the Apochrypha and Gnostics got trashed is beyond me.

The bible has an agenda as assembled. Revelation helped advance it, the Apochrypha and Gnostics, not so much. Knowledge and questioning is bad, ya know.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:55:47am

re: #251 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The bible has an agenda as assembled. Revelations helped advance it, the Apochrypha and Gnostics, not so much. Knowledge and questioning is bad, ya know.

I thought the acid trip is called “Revelation” (singular) not “Revelations”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:57:09am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

I thought the acid trip is called “Revelation” (singular) not “Revelations”

You are correct. I am not very bibley. Fixed. The ‘s’ made sense, though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:03:14am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

I thought the acid trip is called “Revelation” (singular) not “Revelations”

Book of Revelations, though

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sagehen  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:04:57am

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…WTH did that woman think the play was about?

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Jayleia  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:12:55am

re: #255 sagehen

So, a not-so thinly veiled metaphor for our president elect

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:25:08am

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Timothy Watson  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:25:36am

Virginia Republicans not happy with losing this year continue their voter suppression efforts:

The Republican chairman of the House of Delegates elections committee has introduced a bill to tighten rules governing voter registration drives after multiple cases of potential fraud leading up to the presidential election.

Del. Mark L. Cole, R-Spotsylvania, prefiled a bill that would add stricter paperwork and reporting requirements for nongovernmental groups that canvass neighborhoods and events to register Virginians to vote.

Cole’s legislation, which will be considered when the legislature reconvenes in January, would require every individual employee or volunteer working with outside groups to register with the state and submit logs of their activity.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:26:09am

re: #248 freetoken

This should be alarming:

Powerful Japanese lawmaker urges re-evaluation of U.S. relationship with Trump taking office

Ishiba can be very Trump-y in his authoritarianism:

Secrecy law protests ‘act of terrorism’: LDP secretary-general

Ishiba can be a real nut case in some aspects, such as his UFO-ology.

He’s also for Japan having a nuclear weapons deterrent.

It is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:28:13am

re: #258 Timothy Watson

Virginia Republicans not happy with losing this year continue their voter suppression efforts:

richmond.com

They just can’t accept this has become a light blue state and they can’t handle it. Gubernatorial race is going to be very important here next year. I may volunteer for Nortam’s campaign.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:29:12am
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Timothy Watson  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:33:12am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

They just can’t accept this has become a light blue state and they can’t handle it. Gubernatorial race is going to be very important here next year. I may volunteer for Nortam’s campaign.

Me too.

I’ve already thrown some money to the Democratic Party of Virginia and Herring’s committee.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:33:32am

re: #251 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The bible has an agenda as assembled. Revelation helped advance it, the Apochrypha and Gnostics, not so much. Knowledge and questioning is bad, ya know.

In my study, it was less that than the fact that apocalyptic literature has always been popular (see Daniel) and was very popular at the time the Canon was finalized. They needed an apocalypse and John’s was the least insane of the ones available at the time.

The battle over the gnostics and their hidden knowledge theme had already been fought and won by those who did not see Christianity (right or wrong) as just another mystery religion ala Mithras or the Bacchanalia despite the mythic level similarities between the three.

I’m just glad that the old synagogue sermon that was ascribed to James the Just was included in the final canon of the Bible. Lots of good bits therein.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:47:24am

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jeffreyw  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:50:54am

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Birth Control Works  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:51:58am

It Can’t Happen Here

eerily, I recently read this.

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Jayleia  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:53:13am

re: #263 William Lewis

In my study, it was less that than the fact that apocalyptic literature has always been popular (see Daniel) and was very popular at the time the Canon was finalized. They needed an apocalypse and John’s was the least insane of the ones available at the time.

The battle over the gnostics and their hidden knowledge theme had already been fought and won by those who did not see Christianity (right or wrong) as just another mystery religion ala Mithras or the Bacchanalia despite the mythic level similarities between the three.

I’m just glad that the old synagogue sermon that was ascribed to James the Just was included in the final canon of the Bible. Lots of good bits therein.

LEAST INSANE?! The Acid Trip of St. John the Divine was THE LEAST CRAZY OPTION THEY HAD!?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:55:15am
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:56:09am

re: #258 Timothy Watson

Were there actual cases of potential fraud?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:57:32am

re: #270 Belafon

Were there actual cases of potential fraud?

There were some dead people who were registered in Charlottesville and some complaint in Arlington that I never heard details about.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:02:49am

re: #271 Timothy Watson

There were some dead people who were registered in Charlottesville and some complaint in Arlington that I never heard details about.

I remember reading about the Myth of the Dead voter paper(by Brennan Center maybe?)

How if studied, dead people who are registered were alive when the registered, and died after. But people would have to investigate and not actually be trying to use this issue to deny more people the ability to vote.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:04:31am

re: #268 Jayleia

LEAST INSANE?! The Acid Trip of St. John the Divine was THE LEAST CRAZY OPTION THEY HAD!?

Yeah. If you ever want to see bug fuck crazy there are about 10 other ones out there that were passed over by the people putting together Constantine’s “Official” bible. Several have a gnostic theological basis and that really gets weird when you get doomsday on top of that.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:12:19am

re: #272 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I remember reading about the Myth of the Dead voter paper(by Brennan Center maybe?)

How if studied, dead people who are registered were alive when the registered, and died after. But people would have to investigate and not actually be trying to use this issue to deny more people the ability to vote.

They were registered to vote after they had died:
richmond.com

(Sorry, it was Harrisonburg, not Charlottesville.)

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:16:39am

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:18:09am

Michigan: Florida, but with shitty weather

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:25:39am

The “Liberal Media” is still confused why Trump chose Jeff Sessions. Hahaha.

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Jayleia  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:26:54am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:32:37am

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:35:33am

I don’t blame Melania trying to protect her son. I still think spouses and children of Presidents are “hands off”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:40:01am

re: #281 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I don’t blame Melania trying to protect her son. I still think spouses and children of Presidents are “hands off”.

juvenile and teen children of presidents in any case, but once they get out and start acting and engaging themselves politically as adults, then the story changes.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:54:00am

What the hell is wrong with people?

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Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? Nothing Trump has done since winning the election suggests that he’s doing anything different - same level of incompetence, ignorance of the Constitution, picking extremists, and otherwise engaging in the same actions that the media downplayed throughout the campaign.

Then again, it is possible that the GOP is flocking to him now that he’s won, because their dream agenda is about to become a reality.

At the same time, it’s amazing how Trump’s war against Hamilton overshadowed Trump settling his scam school suit for $25 million. And wouldn’t you know it, but the media’s covered for him on that too.

Take the NYT, which gave it above the fold billing, but in the least obtrusive and visible manner, while any coverage of Clinton’s emails got the top spot with above the fold on the right half of the paper. This way, the Times can claim it gave coverage to both, but there’s coverage, and then there’s actively and passively pushing an editorial agenda. Here, once again, the Times and other media outlets are downplaying Trump conflicts of interest, fraud, graft, and corruption even before he takes office.

Did I mention fraud, graft, and corruption? Because it appears that Trump’s busy cooking up deals with foreign leaders and countries even as he’s president elect - despite the clear conflict of interests and that he’s doing the very things that he claimed Clinton did with the Foundation (she didn’t, but facts were never Trump’s strong suit).

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:54:33am

Rice Prbus is defending Sessions.
“I do not misspell Rice Prbis on purpose. I just truly do not know how to spell his name, know matter how many times I look it up.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:56:24am

re: #284 Belafon

Kurtz compares the “Don’t Normalize” voices to the birther movement. Thinks both are attempts to delegitimize a president. Staggering.

I accept DT as our legally elected President, which is more than he and the birthers did for Obama.

But I refuse to see any of his current words, actions or personnel choices as “normal”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:56:59am

re: #285 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Rice Prbus is defending Sessions.
“I do not misspell Rice Prbis on purpose. I just truly do not know how to spell his name, know matter how many times I look it up.”

Rancid Prius is easier to remember

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:57:04am
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Should it surprise anyone that SMOTI makes a very special appearance in the case study?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:03:41am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

BUT EMAILS!!!!1!!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:11:09am

re: #216 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d fly my ass out there to have a face-to-face meeting with the governor of ND.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:11:43am

The cultural war in which we are embedded has been fought on several fronts over the past several centuries.

One of these fronts is science - by which I mean the entire development of the scientific method as well as the resultant data and knowledge gathered.

Given the rise of Trumpism and the attempt to main-stream the alt-right view of the world we should not be surprised that the various atavistic factions in our society are charging forward with more bravado.

And that includes their attack on scientists.

An example: City Journal recently published, and put online yesterday, a long screed by right-winger John Tierney with the DARVO-like title of:

The Real War on Science

It’s the usual stuff about leftists being the real ones against truth, in particularly about science.

But digging down a few paragraphs we get to the heart of the matter:

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The Left’s most rigid taboos involve the biology of race and gender, as the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker chronicles in The Blank Slate. The book takes its title from Pinker’s term for the dogma that “any differences we see among races, ethnic groups, sexes, and individuals come not from differences in their innate constitution but from differences in their experiences.” The dogma constricts researchers’ perspective—“No biology, please, we’re social scientists”—and discourages debate, in and out of academia. Early researchers in sociobiology faced vitriolic attacks from prominent scientists like Stephen Jay Gould, who accused them of racism and sexism for studying genetic influences on behavior.

Studying IQ has been a risky career move since the 1970s, when researchers like Arthur Jensen and Richard Herrnstein had to cancel lectures (and sometimes hire bodyguards) because of angry protesters accusing them of racism. […]

The Blank Slate dogma has perpetuated a liberal version of creationism: the belief that there has been no evolution in modern humans since they left their ancestral homeland in Africa some 50,000 years ago. Except for a few genetic changes in skin color and other superficial qualities, humans everywhere are supposedly alike because there hasn’t been enough time for significant differences to evolve in their brains and innate behavior. This belief was plausible when biologists assumed that evolution was a slow process, but the decoding of the human genome has disproved it, as Nicholas Wade (a former colleague of mine at the New York Times) reported in his 2015 book, A Troublesome Inheritance.

”[…] Yet social scientists go on denying the very existence of races. The American Anthropological Association declares race to be “a human invention” that is “about culture, not biology.” The American Sociological Association calls race a “social construct.” Even biologists and geneticists are afraid of the R-word. More than 100 of them sent a letter to the New York Times denouncing Wade’s book as inaccurate, yet they refused to provide any examples of his mistakes. They apparently hadn’t bothered to read the book because they accused Wade of linking racial variations to IQ scores—a link that his book specifically rejected.

Some genetic differences are politically acceptable on the left, […]

[…]

Tierney is trying to carry the water for his less literate mouth-breathers on the hate right, but it’s still the same story.

Tierney just last week published an article in City Journal about how refreshing Trump’s views on science are, compared to Obama’s.

Welcome to the new normal.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:17:03am

re: #292 freetoken

A lot of people, including scientists, including us, are going to have to move out of our comfort zones, sitting at work and home and thinking that doing our job will make things better, and realize that we’re going to have to be heard as well. Bill Nye and Neil Tyson need a lot more peers to step up and be heard.

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Jayleia  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:17:21am
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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:20:16am

re: #283 lawhawk

This happens to “winners”.

People want to be on the winning side.

This is strongly exploited by Trump. His carefully crafted campaign events were designed to show him, literally show him with visual tricks, as the “winner”. He told his audiences they were “winners”. That they are the “smart” people.

This is part of the general art of crowd manipulation. It’s why Trump was/is enamored with Vince McMahon.

This is the heart of those who know how to make money off of “fashion”.

Election bounces aren’t that strange to me. Obama had very high approval ratings when first polled after he was first elected. Higher than his victory margin.

It’s the nature of the beast.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:21:11am

We have to make sure that we let our country know that, racism, Anti Semitism, anti women, anti Muslim, anti men and anti everyone, is not welcome in our home.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:22:15am

Yeah, I gave up on trying to spell.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:23:06am

re: #297 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Yeah, I gave up on trying to spell.

Pants Rumpus

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:23:15am

re: #289 GlutenFreeJesus

Gee. Why didn’t we hear this stuff, ohhh I don’t know. DURING THE CAMPAIGN?’

Well we did hear about it, but it was reported by those extreme liberals, Mother Jones and Washington Post. Who can trust them?//

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:26:06am

re: #293 Belafon

Well, as I’ve repeated myself over and over here for several years, I do think what we’re in is best characterized as religious worldview warfare.

It has been noted by many, of various persuasions, that American’s opinions on some matters are hardening.

In a movement like this I suspect that most people directly employed in scientific endeavors will not want to rock the boat very much. Most science is funded by tax money. The energy sector, pharmaceuticals and medical device manufacturers cover most of the rest of funding.

Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Ag - they are the principal non-governmental investors in science.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:26:08am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Are we going to be subjected to Kellyanne Conway for four years???

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:27:06am

Put more succinctly: we should not look to the scientists to be the voices to cry out, but rather we should look to the artists.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:27:12am

Does anyone else think Martin Shkreli could be appointed head of the FDA?

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:32:33am

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

Does anyone else think Martin Shkreli could be appointed head of the FDA?

Oh please no.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:34:03am

where are all the sweet, cuddly, huggable politicians?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:34:20am

re: #284 Belafon

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Oh fuck off Howie. One is a legitimate question of a guy’s behavior and actions and the other is outright racism. Stop it with the MBF bullshit. BTW where the fuck were you when the birtherism was going on?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:43:09am

Morning Joe: Trump already ‘on the precipice’ of disaster if he keeps picking unqualified ‘henchmen’

Oh look, multimillionaire, Dead Intern Joe is concerned now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:43:23am

re: #304 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Oh please no.

Bear in mind that MAKING LIBTARD HEADS EXPLODE!!!!!! is a desired quality for choosing heads of government agencies.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:44:33am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck off Howie. One is a legitimate question of a guy’s behavior and actions and the other is outright racism. Stop it with the MBF bullshit. BTW where the fuck were you when the birtherism was going on?

Oh please no. Lets not start fights here. “Let Love rule”

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:45:13am

re: #309 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Oh please no. Lets not start fights here. “Let Love rule”

Please sweetheart.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:46:51am

re: #267 Birth Control Works

It Can’t Happen Here

eerily, I recently read this.

Too late. It already has.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:48:09am

re: #309 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Oh please no. Lets not start fights here. “Let Love rule”

I’m talking about Kurtz. No fight with anyone here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:48:49am

re: #310 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Please sweetheart.

I’m good. Just tired of the media’s bullshit. Criticizing “normalizing” Trump is not remotely the same as birtherism and Kurtz knows it.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:50:18am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

I’m talking about Kurtz. No fight with anyone here.

I know, but still, I see so much hate now. I just know, you are a sweetheart.
We are going to see a lot of ass holes. Just remember, you are not one.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:52:07am

re: #314 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I know, but still, I see so much hate now. I just know, you are a sweetheart.
We are going to see a lot of ass holes. Just remember, you are not one.

It’s really not hate. More frustration. We can’t normalize Trump. That’s all. Don’t read my swearing as anger. It’s how I talk.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:52:43am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

It’s really not hate. More frustration. We can’t normalize Trump. That’s all. Don’t read my swearing as anger. It’s how I talk.

I know.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:53:10am

re: #309 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Oh please no. Lets not start fights here. “Let Love rule”

We all know who he’s talking to. And right now, being angry at Kurtz is a good thing. He’s contributed to the current situation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:54:27am

re: #316 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I know.

Okay. Just blowing off some steam. I’m actually feeling quite good this morning. Got some good music on and doing some research.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:54:48am

re: #317 Belafon

We all know who he’s talking to. And right now, being angry at Kurtz is a good thing. He’s contributed to the current situation.

Trust me when I tell you, I know.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:54:50am

re: #317 Belafon

We all know who he’s talking to. And right now, being angry at Kurtz is a good thing. He’s contributed to the current situation.

Kurtz is one of the wurtz. *Ducks for terribly bad pun.*

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:56:59am

Someone needs to challenge Sanders in 2018. I’m tired of his bullshit.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:57:20am

I think I’m just trying to be too positive and nice. And trying to make people feel better.Which I know is not always a good thing.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:57:42am

re: #79 teleskiguy

In that county level map of percentage of votes for Mr. Trump, it is awfully easy to find the Nebraska Panhandle. (You can even see the shape of Nebraska around Colorado by the uber-bright magenta of red voting counties here… .)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:58:37am

re: #321 Jenner7

Someone needs to challenge Sanders in 2018. I’m tired of his bullshit.

The only name I know is Al Giordano. What’s he doing now? You know what, it just frustrates me with him. I have no problem with him contributing his ideas to the debate but he’s not part of the party and he really needs to either join it or let the Democrats make their own destiny. He’s not the only Indy in the senate, Angus King doesn’t attempt to tell the Dems how to run their party.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:59:37am

re: #322 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I think I’m just trying to be too positive and nice. And trying to make people feel better.Which I know is not always a good thing.

You’re good. No sweat. Just know I’m not always necessarily angry when I rant like that or curse even. I’m actually in a pretty good mood this morning.

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:01:01am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

I follow Al on twitter, but not sure what he’s doing. It’s probably a lost cause anyway, Bernie is too popular there.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:02:18am

re: #321 Jenner7

Someone needs to challenge Sanders in 2018. I’m tired of his bullshit.

He’s a petulant child.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:03:01am

re: #326 Jenner7

I follow Al on twitter, but not sure what he’s doing. It’s probably a lost cause anyway, Bernie is too popular there.

No, I meant what is Bernie doing this morning in particular? You said you were tired of his bs. But yeah it’s probably a lost cause and not something I’d invest a lot of time and money on since the goal ought to be make gains in the Senate with the hope of hopes of regaining it but I hear ya with Bernie. He just frustrates me how he simply does not get it.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:03:33am

re: #326 Jenner7

I follow Al on twitter, but not sure what he’s doing. It’s probably a lost cause anyway, Bernie is too popular there.

Maybe, but it never hurts to challenge someone in the primaries.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:03:53am

Screw Kurtz. and that’s obscene as I get. Hahaha.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:06:36am

re: #330 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Screw Kurtz. and that’s obscene as I get. Hahaha.

There’s always this - a more indirect way of critiquing someone.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:06:57am

re: #329 Belafon

Maybe, but it never hurts to challenge someone in the primaries.

Well he’s not a Democrat so that wouldn’t go. Honestly, the best we can hope for is Bernie learns that there’s more than just economics/class that causes problems in this country before he retires and then someone good like Al replaces him.

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:07:08am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:07:27am

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

There’s always this - a more indirect way of critiquing someone.

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I liked the follow up, This Fuckwit, Come the Hell On?

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Lupin  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:08:05am

When we left the US after the 2004 election, I thought it would only get worse. Then Obama came and I thought we’d taken a step back from the edge of cliff. Now I realize we’ve taken two steps forward after that one step back.

At the time I wrote on Billmon’s much regretted Whiskey Bar blog (any former patrons here?) that I saw the US evolve towards a Putin-stye kleptocracy, but looking more like Brazil in terms of lifestyle. And I think it’s irreversible, no matter what. We’ll just have to adapt.

Some of this zeitgeist has been well captured/anticipated by a variety of TV shows from LAST SHIP to DESIGNATED SURVIVOR (I suspect), as well as WALKING DEAD and (I also suspect) WESTWORLD. Hell, even ARROW recognizes the advent of the kleptocracy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:08:08am

re: #333 Jenner7

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He just doesn’t get it. So frustrating and infuriating.

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calochortus  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:09:30am

re: #333 Jenner7

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So, get rid of your interest in your group and support my group?

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:09:48am

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

There’s always this - a more indirect way of critiquing someone.

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Yes but you have a better talent. I’m still working on mine. I’m getting better. With the help of a French friend. Haha.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:10:34am

What a loss to the culture

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:11:41am

The thing is WE are a pro working class party. We support minimum wage increases. Even here in Virginia which historically is far from union friendly had a pro-union ballot initiative supported by the Democratic Party. I just don’t know why Bernie doesn’t see we can understand the issues important to the working class while also acknowledging the issues of racism, sexism, and homophobia.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:11:59am

re: #339 Timothy Watson

What a loss to the culture

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Sucks to be him.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:16:15am

re: #272 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I remember reading about the Myth of the Dead voter paper(by Brennan Center maybe?)

How if studied, dead people who are registered were alive when the registered, and died after. But people would have to investigate and not actually be trying to use this issue to deny more people the ability to vote.

South Carolina spent 18 months and dog knows how much money looking into ZOMBIE VOTERS and came up with nothin’ (except voter
ID restrictions, which was the whole point of the exercise.)

free-times.com

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:17:38am

re: #342 BeachDem

South Carolina spent 18 months and dog knows how much money looking into ZOMBIE VOTERS and came up with nothin’ (except voter
ID restrictions, which was the whole point of the exercise.)

free-times.com

Greg Abbott, as Attorney General, searched for voter fraud, and found nothing significant. And Texas passed voter restrictions.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:18:57am

re: #335 Lupin

Some of this zeitgeist has been well captured/anticipated by a variety of TV shows from LAST SHIP to DESIGNATED SURVIVOR (I suspect), as well as WALKING DEAD and (I also suspect) WESTWORLD. Hell, even ARROW recognizes the advent of the kleptocracy.

Quite a bit of fantasy/futuristic entertainment in the US has been about dystopias of one sort or another. Part of that I ascribe to our hyper-religious heritage and obsession with apocalypses.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:19:10am

Honestly, I’d like Bernie to stare in the eyes of gay couples who had their legal marriage licenses denied by Kim Davis to “stop” engaging in identity politics and support the working class. I’d like Bernie to tell the many middle class African-Americans who get harassed by police the same. Or the transgendered people being scapeegoated by people like McGrory. Maybe Bernie should tell the working class to stop caring about things like racial minorities, sexual identity, and those sort of things. I’m sorry but this is exactly why I don’t respect Bernie Sanders. He’s got his heart in the right place on some issues but on others, he’s as clueless as many Republicans are and in a way it’s worse since he should know better as someone who ran for the Dem nomination.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:20:38am

re: #338 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Yes but you have a better talent. I’m still working on mine. I’m getting better. With the help of a French friend. Haha.

I found that image here, actually. I have no problems using strong language, personally; one of my all-time favorite quotes is from the Czech author Jaroslav Hašek:

Those who boggle at strong language are cowards, because it is real life which is shocking them, and weaklings like that are the very people who cause most harm to culture and character. They would like to see the nation grow up into a group of over-sensitive little people - masturbators of false culture of the type of St. Aloysius, of whom it is said in the book of the monk Eustachius that when he heard a man breaking wind in a most thunderous fashion, he immediately burst into tears and could only be consoled by prayers.

People like that proclaim their indignation in public but take the most unusual pleasure in going to public lavatories to read obscene inscriptions on the walls.

In using a few strong expressions in my book, I have done nothing more than affirm en passant how people actually talk.

We cannot expect the inn-keeper Mr. Palivec to speak with the same refinement as Mrs. Laudová, Doctor Gurth, Mrs. Olga Fastrová* and a whole series of others who would like to turn the whole Czechoslovak Republic into a vast salon with parquet flooring, where people go about in tail-coats, white ties and gloves, speak in choicest phrases and cultivate the refined behaviour of the drawing-room. But beneath this camouflage these drawing-room lions indulge in the most appalling vices and excesses.

*[people of Hašek’s time who wrote on morals and behavior]

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:21:08am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So we now enter DAY 3 of the very important policy discussion of Hamilton. Sigh.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:23:02am

re: #333 Jenner7

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I’d say the Black and Latino working class feel pretty comfortable in the Democratic party, especially considering the alternative.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:23:48am

re: #348 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I’d say the Black and Latino working class feel pretty comfortable in the Democratic party, especially considering the alternative.

That’s what he always ignores, Smith. Always.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:23:55am

re: #344 freetoken

Trump’s latest move to have a “victory tour” is straight out of the Hunger Games.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:25:25am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I’d like Bernie to stare in the eyes of gay couples who had their legal marriage licenses denied by Kim Davis to “stop” engaging in identity politics and support the working class. I’d like Bernie to tell the many middle class African-Americans who get harassed by police the same. Or the transgendered people being scapeegoated by people like McGrory. Maybe Bernie should tell the working class to stop caring about things like racial minorities, sexual identity, and those sort of things. I’m sorry but this is exactly why I don’t respect Bernie Sanders. He’s got his heart in the right place on some issues but on others, he’s as clueless as many Republicans are and in a way it’s worse since he should know better as someone who ran for the Dem nomination.

Put simply, it’s not ‘Identity Politics’ if your identity, defined for you by others, is used as a means to deny you equal protection.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:27:11am

re: #351 Blind Frog Belly White

Put simply, it’s not ‘Identity Politics’ if your identity, defined for you by others, is used as a means to deny you equal protection.

Well said.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:27:14am

re: #350 lawhawk

Trump’s latest move to have a “victory tour” is straight out of the Hunger Games.

And who is paying for this?

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:28:08am

re: #305 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

where are all the sweet, cuddly, huggable politicians?

I’m here. Come get me. (::

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Lupin  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:28:20am

re: #344 freetoken

Yeah but I’d argue that lately it’s been more frequent, successful —and focused. This is not the 50s or 70s apocalypses, the post-nuclear holocaust stories. This is the world outside your window, as Marvel used to say when selling their New Universe. I don’t know if it helped Trump or harmed him — but (to borrow another comics slogan, that one from Kirby) it’s the world that’s coming.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:28:23am

Identity Politics:

White folks who don’t give a damn about non-white folks legitimate concerns in American life caused by them not being white folks

Edit to include other non-racial minority identities(in number or in power)

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:28:42am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

We are, of course.

And if you’re not willing to pay, Trump will concoct a pain amplifier for you and yours. /sarc not sarc.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:29:04am

Honestly, it’s not that I don’t think class issues are important. It’s that I think we need to focus on other things. If you can’t get people to accept people as their equals despite of race, sexual orientation, place of origin, how are you going to get them to understand wealth inequality? I suppose this is the problem socialists like Bernie have always encountered.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:29:53am

re: #357 lawhawk

We are, of course.

And if you’re not willing to pay, Trump will concoct a pain amplifier for you and yours. /sarc not sarc.

Remember the fauxrage from the last 8 years every time President Obama breathed too deeply and the media and right-wing wanted to know who was paying for said deep breath? So, we are now stuck paying for Herr Trump’s “victory” rallies? WTF.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:31:32am

re: #359 Dr. Matt

Remember the fauxrage from the last 8 years every time President Obama breathed too deeply and the media and right-wing wanted to know who was paying for said deep breath? So, we are now stuck paying for Herr Trump’s “victory” rallies? WTF.

Maybe he can call it the “Triumph of the Will” victory tour.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:32:35am

Heh.

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:32:42am
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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:32:43am

re: #355 Lupin

I agree that Trump exploited brilliantly (thanks again, Vince McMahon) entertainment memes. He’s so much more tuned into the popular genres than most politicians his age.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:33:41am

re: #333 Jenner7

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The guy who lost because he couldn’t realize how tone deaf his campaign was argues that his supporters should embrace tone deafness as a way to win.

But he probably still thinks he lost because “rigging.”

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Jayleia  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:34:12am

re: #333 Jenner7

Working class IS MY identity
GLBT is MY identity
non-Christian is MY identity

GODDAMIT BERNIE!!!

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:34:56am

You think you’ve got problems? Here in south by dog carolina, they’re talking about a Tim Scott/Trey Gowdy ticket for gov/lt gov in 2018, as preparation for Tim running for president in 2020 (well, I guess then it will be everybody’s problem.)

Another Republican who has thrown her hat in the ring (and has some big buck backers) is someone whose only political experience is two appointments by Haley (which she screwed up royally) and background as an anti-union lawyer.

“It’s a great day in South Carolina” as Nikki would say. Although, if the latest rumor is true about her being considered as SoS, she might be saying that about the whole world. Gag me with a spork.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:35:14am

re: #350 lawhawk

Trump’s latest move to have a “victory tour” is straight out of the Hunger Games.

Of course, everyone in their collective bubble is forgetting just how the Hunger Games ended.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:35:26am

re: #362 Jenner7

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Okay, this is why he’s a jerk. The implication that racial minorities just expect people to vote for them because they’re that race. Hispanics in Florida especially were critical of Rubio’s about face on immigratoin reform. African-Americans in my neighbor of Maryland voted for Ben Cardin over Michael Steele for Senate. The man just doesn’t get it. And sadly I don’t think he ever will.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:36:05am

re: #362 Jenner7

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Oh my dog he’s a phuckin eediot

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:36:29am

re: #366 BeachDem

You think you’ve got problems? Here in south by dog carolina, they’re talking about a Tim Scott/Trey Gowdy ticket for gov/lt gov in 2018, as preparation for Tim running for president in 2020 (well, I guess then it will be everybody’s problem.)

Another Republican who has thrown her hat in the ring (and has some big buck backers) is someone whose only political experience is two appointments by Haley (which she screwed up royally) and background as an anti-union lawyer.

“It’s a great day in South Carolina” as Nikki would say. Although, if the latest rumor is true about her being considered as SoS, she might be saying that about the whole world. Gag me with a spork.

I’d expect Lt Gov would be a demotion for Gowdy. Don’t know why he’d do that.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:37:27am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Kurtz is one of the wurtz. *Ducks for terribly bad pun.*

Bad jokes about sausage are always the wurst.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:38:06am

If people were just voting based off race as Bernie thinks, Donna Edwards beats Chris Van Hollen but Van Hollen ahd a lot of support from African-Americans in both elected politics and the electorate.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:38:44am

re: #362 Jenner7

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:38:47am

re: #371 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Bad jokes about sausage are always the wurst.

FRANKly, my dear I don’t give a damn :).

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:40:18am

I voted for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama in the 2008 primary. If I only voted on race, it would have gone the other way. Damn, in this way he is worse than a Republican. He should know better.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:41:13am

re: #373 Targetpractice

Shorter Sanders: “I don’t care what you look like, so long as you assume that all of America’s problems boil down to the problems that white voters insist are the only ones that matter. If you’re black and you run against police brutality, that’s ‘identity politics.’ Latino and run for immigration reform, that’s ‘identity politics.’ Gay and run for equality, ‘identity politics.’ The only thing that isn’t ‘identity politics’ are the things that white people are worried about.”

White working people that is. As if minority working class voters don’t have their own concerns. The man is clueless. And it really disapopints me that so many people my age think this should be our message. It’s not that I don’t believe class issues are unimortant, it’s that I think we need to work on social equality issues before we even consider tackling economics. How are working class whites supposed to view that as a goal when tehy still see their LGBT, racial minority, and other people in the population as not being deserving of the same equality and respect they are? Sanders just doesn’t get it.

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Lupin  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:41:31am

re: #363 freetoken

Isn’t that the chicken and the egg? Which came first?

One could see LA turning into Rio with its favellas, gang wars and hypermilitarized police as early as 2003. (As I said, that’s why we left.) I also felt the Government wouldn’t or couldn’t take care of our people the way they had in 1994 after the Northridge Earthquake (lived 3 miles away) — and then Katrina happened.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:41:33am

re: #363 freetoken

I agree that Trump exploited brilliantly (thanks again, Vince McMahon) entertainment memes. He’s so much more tuned into the popular genres than most politicians his age.

Democrats are going to have to get better at that.

Mrs. Clinton did a fine job of explaining her positions. Unfortunately, if you’re explaining, you’re losing.

Mr. Trump really didn’t explain anything, just gave broad statements.

I am not suggesting we lie to the voters as he clearly did, but we’re going to have to come up with something.

Senator Sanders’s statement of ditching identity politics isn’t it. All people identify with some group, and they will vote for the politician that they think best represents them. It doesn’t matter if the group is immigrants, working class, women, religious, &c.

All politics is identity politics. The trick here is to show how the Democratic Party is more the party of the largest group of people, and its proposals will help them.

I am not a political strategist so I don’t have a clue how to do this. I do know that no policy (as such) proposed by Mr. Trump is going to do a damn thing for my part of my state, yet he overwhelmingly won the vote here. Like it or not, he connected better with the voters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:42:06am

re: #375 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I voted for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama in the 2008 primary. If I only voted on race, it would have gone the other way. Damn, in this way he is worse than a Republican. He should know better.

I really hated the idea in 2008 that African-Americans were just favoring Obama because of his race. It was such horseshit. And many like yourself actually did favor Clinton too.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:43:42am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

I’d expect Lt Gov would be a demotion for Gowdy. Don’t know why he’d do that.

Two years as Lt. Gov, then, when Tim goes for pres, he becomes gov? Just a thought. (Or maybe they’ll flip the ticket, and have Trey for gov/Tim for lt.—who knows. Whatever they decide, they’ll win because it’s south by dog carolina.)

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:44:54am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:46:29am

re: #380 BeachDem

Two years as Lt. Gov, then, when Tim goes for pres, he becomes gov? Just a thought. (Or maybe they’ll flip the ticket, and have Trey for gov/Tim for lt.—who knows. Whatever they decide, they’ll win because it’s south by dog carolina.)

True.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:46:59am

re: #381 lawhawk

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Glad Trump is concerned about all the important issues. But hey if it costs him Alaska’s votes next time…

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:50:25am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

I really hated the idea in 2008 that African-Americans were just favoring Obama because of his race. It was such horseshit. And many like yourself actually did favor Clinton too.

And yet, that doesn’t seem to really have been much of an issue. Likely some voters voted for Barack Obama because he is African-American, just as some voters voted for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman.

Based on the statistics, it would seem that Mrs. Clinton was hurt more in the primary by being a woman:

people-press.org

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:50:28am

The fact that we have poor people of any skin color is the biggest social issue there is in this country.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:53:21am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

People with disabilities don’t know this. No.
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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:53:52am

re: #385 Belafon

The fact that we have poor people of any skin color is the biggest social issue there is in this country.

Yup. Wealthiest nation in the history of the world, and one of the most poverty-stricken in the First World.

That pesky income inequality thing is hard to get across on a bumper sticker though. It would seem much of the electorate, regardless of which party voters support, doesn’t pay much more attention than one line in a speech.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:55:46am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

And who is paying for this?

MEXICO!

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Bass Reeves  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:55:56am

re: #378 Anymouse

Sorry, I missed something. There is a petition going around asking to initiate a recall for you? What’s the reasoning for that? If you don’t resign, and they have an election…is there anyone planning to run against you?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:56:24am

re: #387 Anymouse

That pesky income inequality thing is hard to get across on a bumper sticker though. It would seem much of the electorate, regardless of which party voters support, doesn’t pay much more attention than one line in a speech.

Trump is a master of the tweet and the talking point.

And we all know that in this Great Land of Opportunity, only lazy people are poor.

And the Rich got that way because they are morally superior.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:56:46am

General Flynn changed his mind about Turkey’s coup attempt after his firm got involved:

huffingtonpost.com

He was for the coup originally. Money across the table will do wonders for changing minds.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:57:21am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Glad Trump is concerned about all the important issues. But hey if it costs him Alaska’s votes next time…

Google Search:

Hamilton Trump—51,700,000 results
Trump University settlement—5,020,000
Trump conflict of interest—13,000,000

We certainly know what story the “news” is chasing.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:57:40am

I’m just gonna come out and say it: Bernie is old and thus his ideas are old. He’s trying to act like it’s still 1972 and the DNC needs to move past racial politics and start winning over the “working class.” But the “working class” is not monochromatic, it is as diverse and varied as the population that it supports with its labor. And so the issues that the “working class” deals with are also diverse, with different races and ethnicities dealing with different issues on any given day.

Yeah, the black guy working two shifts to make a house payment would like higher wages and better benefits, but he’d also like to know that his kids have an equal shot at getting into college as those of his white coworkers and that he’s not gonna get hauled off to jail for doing something his white coworker would get a citation for.

The Latino who’s worried about his credit card debt also might worry that getting pulled over by the cops will mean a several hour ordeal where he has to prove he’s a citizen because Officer Dipshit thinks anybody with skin darker than a paper bag is an “illegal.”

The woman working on the line at the auto plant wants equal pay to her male coworkers, but she also wants to know that her health plan will cover contraceptives and abortions if she should ever need them and that her boss’ “religious beliefs” won’t get in the way.

There is no one-size-fits-all strategy for the DNC going forward, we have to be a party of diversity and thus diverse ideas.

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:58:15am

re: #384 Anymouse

I said it after the pneumonia thing. She looked weak. Can’t have a weak woman in the WH.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:58:36am

re: #389 Bass Reeves

Sorry, I missed something. There is a petition going around asking to initiate a recall for you? What’s the reasoning for that? If you don’t resign, and they have an election…is there anyone planning to run against you?

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:59:58am

re: #339 Timothy Watson

What a loss to the culture

Brow Beat @browbeat
After endorsing Trump and criticizing Beyoncé, Kanye West cancels the rest of his US tour: slate.com …
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I sure hope this puts paid to his career.

How long before there is a divorce instigated by Chris Jenner because Kanye will be a drag on Kim’s earnings potential?

Isn’t America great? Ordinary people struggle in this ‘great country of ours’ while complete wastes of time make big bucks for being seen as a reality start personality.

Be seen enough and you too could become President. Empty of anything meaningful or worthwhile, but president!

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:05:09am
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I am so fucking angry. Why did we let this happen????

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:05:45am

Really, when I listen to Bernie now, what I hear is a guy who’s still sore over losing the primaries. He’s not lecturing the DNC on why they lost to Trump, he’s lecturing them on why they were wrong not to embrace him instead of Hillary. He insisted immediately after the election that he wasn’t gonna say he could have won against Trump, but everything he’s said since then has been trying to argue in so many words that he could have won against Trump.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:05:55am

re: #393 Targetpractice

There is no one-size-fits-all strategy for the DNC going forward, we have to be a party of diversity and thus diverse ideas.

I don’t see our direction changing much, or at least very quickly, short of a world war or economic collapse.

Both of which will play into the hands of the authoritarians.

We’re living in a luxurious world compared to our ancestors. We can afford as a society to be frivolous with so much of our built up capital.

All politics is local, as someone once said. Trump’s victory is because of the change in the choices of the electorate in three important Obama states: WI, MI, and PA. Trump flipped those states, thus will win the electoral college. Whatever dynamics in the political landscape in those areas brought this about will have to be changed at the local level. But how hard will Trump have to fail in order to bring about that change?

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:06:10am

Four Police Officers Shot in One Day (Goes to the BBC)

This is not going to help anything here. (Perhaps countries issuing travel warnings against the United States for gun violence getting in the news might. Perhaps the tourism industry, worth billions and billions of dollars, could counter the stranglehold the NRA has on Congress.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:07:23am

re: #397 Jenner7

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I am so fucking angry. Why did we let this happen????

EMAIL!!!!!

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unproven innocence  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:07:24am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

THIS

Simplico: Do you think our president-elect knows what a blind trust is?

Trumpadore: Of course he does. It’s so obvious. You got a lota nerve even asking such a thing.

Simplico: In one of the debates he said, “Is that a blind trust? Maybe. I don’t know.”

Trumpadore: Look, a blind trust is what got him elected! Jesus! Some people are such idiots.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:09:48am

re: #397 Jenner7

What’s this “we let this happen crap”?

It starts with GOP voter suppression efforts to prevent turnout in states they dominate (because they fear people voting - mostly because they’d end up voting against the GOP).

So, while Clinton continues to expand her lead in the popular vote, the EC outcome was assured because Trump won in the states that have done the most to suppress turnout through voter ID and other restrictions - the wages of what happens when the Supreme Court guts the VRA.

And there were enough people around the nation, especially in these same states, that didn’t turn out to vote to protect their civil and human rights. They didn’t think of what happens with the GOP in control of the courts, the nomination process, the whole shebang.

So, while people here were busy warning of what happens if you don’t vote, and don’t vote in every election from primaries and off years to nationals and midterms, not enough people paid heed.

We get a situation where people are more likely to vote in American Idol or waiting in line for hours for a new iPhone or wait for a new Star Wars to be released than to actually vote in the one thing that matters more than all of that combined - who leads the nation for the next four years.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:11:16am

re: #399 freetoken

My understanding on flipping WI, MI, and PA was not so much that the Republicans got more voters to the polls, but a lot of Democrats that voted for President Obama stayed home.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:11:42am

re: #348 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I’d say the Black and Latino working class feel pretty comfortable in the Democratic party, especially considering the alternative.

re: #349 HappyWarrior

That’s what he always ignores, Smith. Always.

You know, it did not hit me until I read both of your comments.

I may be way out to lunch in thinking this, but did many white (Democrats and Independents) abandon voting for the Democratic candidate this election because there was too much mention of Blacks and Latinos/Hispanics and Muslims by the party and Clinton?

Did the white voters go with Trump for the fact that he too promised jobs but he also offered to take care of the problem people that maybe, just maybe a bunch of whites agreed with but were too scared to admit it before they actually voted.

Maybe it is a soft form of racism…they are more concerned about their own situations to spend time worrying about anyone else. Every person for themselves.

It scares me to even think it could occur, but with the emphasis on “race” and “illegals” I wonder if even some Democrats and people that may have voted Clinton ran away from the party thinking the party no longer really represents them ‘enough.’

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:16:23am

bbc.com

Bloomington, Indiana has renamed Good Friday and Columbus Day as “Spring Holiday” and “Fall Holiday” respectively, to be more inclusive.

Cue wingnut outrage. Now we get a War on Christmas and a War on Good Friday.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:22:16am

Some Gentle Advice for the Brave Men and Women of the GOP (goes to Wonkette)

Definitely NSFW. Writer Ali Davis lights into GOP voters.

Dear Republicans,

Hey, you won! Heckuva job. I’m sure it must, in between the fear sweats because you actually got goddamned Trump elected, be exhilarating and sort of fun.

It must be freeing too, because you can stop pretending to be the party that even vaguely cares about what the founding fathers intended. Just drop the whole “Constitutional originalists” façade entirely and get on with whatever it is you really want to do, which I guess is frightening white people, shoveling money up to the super-rich, and trying to figure out how to get everyone else hooked up to those Victorian stair-punishment machines for being poor, only WAIT NO FREE ENERGY, so do that in a way that also means you get to burn coal and tar sands oil, because you’re not truly masters of the planet if you’re not making sure future generations can’t live on it without Dune outfits, right?

(Article continues at Wonkette)

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:22:41am

re: #343 Belafon

Greg Abbott, as Attorney General, searched for voter fraud, and found nothing significant. And Texas passed voter restrictions.

Happens all the time. Way back when, they commissioned research on weed that came back negative for all the evils they wanted to attribute to it. So they ignored the research and went right ahead with their bullshit (proven incorrect) reasons to make it the classification they wanted. Because fuck facts.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:23:11am

re: #378 Anymouse

Democrats are going to have to get better at that.

Mrs. Clinton did a fine job of explaining her positions. Unfortunately, if you’re explaining, you’re losing.

Mr. Trump really didn’t explain anything, just gave broad statements.

I am not suggesting we lie to the voters as he clearly did, but we’re going to have to come up with something.

Senator Sanders’s statement of ditching identity politics isn’t it. All people identify with some group, and they will vote for the politician that they think best represents them. It doesn’t matter if the group is immigrants, working class, women, religious, &c.

All politics is identity politics. The trick here is to show how the Democratic Party is more the party of the largest group of people, and its proposals will help them.

I am not a political strategist so I don’t have a clue how to do this. I do know that no policy (as such) proposed by Mr. Trump is going to do a damn thing for my part of my state, yet he overwhelmingly won the vote here. Like it or not, he connected better with the voters.
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From an objective standpoint, the closest that Hillary’s campaign team came WRT using a meme tactic was this:

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And therein lies the problem. Trump’s social media accounts (and the accounts of his yes-men and sycophants) were enough of a goddam trainwreck that it usurped the meme exploitation phase to become the entertainment meme in and of itself. Almost like a “wag the dog” scenario.

IMO, you should be able to convey a message through social media without having it come off as explaining. President Obama’s campaign team was able to find that perfect balance back in 2008 (his HOPE poster being the quintessential example).

I admit that I could be totally wrong on this assessment.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:23:33am

re: #405 ObserverArt

Maybe it is a soft form of racism…they are more concerned about their own situations to spend time worrying about anyone else. Every person for themselves.

Good question.

No answer.

I’m still, sort of, leaning towards the fear of a female President as the largest single contributor to what happened.

At least since 2008 I’ve thought that Hillary had too much baggage in her metaphorical political cart. When Obama first ran I thought (and posted here) that Clinton would beat him, because of the Clinton machine that could work the system of the party. But I was wrong, and the winsome young Senator from IL charmed himself right past the Clinton machine.

I don’t know if the strong negatives associated with the “Clinton” name played a bigger role than the soft racism of which you inquire.

I’ve not looked at the district-level results here in California. Maybe I should, to see what changed since 2012.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:27:55am

re: #405 ObserverArt

You know, it did not hit me until I read both of your comments.

I may be way out to lunch in thinking this, but did many white (Democrats and Independents) abandon voting for the Democratic candidate this election because there was too much mention of Blacks and Latinos/Hispanics and Muslims by the party and Clinton?

Did the white voters go with Trump for the fact that he too promised jobs but he also offered to take care of the problem people that maybe, just maybe a bunch of whites agreed with but were too scared to admit it before they actually voted.

Maybe it is a soft form of racism…they are more concerned about their own situations to spend time worrying about anyone else. Every person for themselves.

It scares me to even think it could occur, but with the emphasis on “race” and “illegals” I wonder if even some Democrats and people that may have voted Clinton ran away from the party thinking the party no longer really represents them ‘enough.’

I think the point Smith and I are trying to make is that the party has no problems with Hispanic and Black working class voters supporting it and yet Senator Sanders wants to act like we have a working class problem. I mean I get his concerns. Honestly, it does sadden me that the demographic that my family was in when they embraced the Democratic party first as immigrants to this country has shifted to the GOP but unlike Senator Sanders, I can see that a big part of that shift is due to that demographics’ own prejudices. I am not saying all of them are racist or none of their concerns are economic but the fact is we do talk about these issues and so many of these voters would rather hear the empty rhetoric Trump showed them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:31:59am

The problem is so many people think in order for a person to be racist or bigoted, they have to be the KKK or Nazi type. There are degrees of prejudice that do exist. Personally, I think this is what Obama meant when he talked about his grandmother’s prejudices. It’s something I actually have seen in older relatives in my own family no less. It doesn’t mean I think they’re terrible people or evil but they definitely do have prejudices. And I guess to an extent we all do in some way.

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:33:55am

re: #409 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I saw that tweet at Donald Trump when she posted it; it certainly got buzz in the news for a day or so.

Mrs. Clinton is not by nature that spontaneous normally. She is very pragmatic, which is what I want in a politician.

Unfortunately, pragmatic didn’t work against a consummate showman like Donald Trump (or for that matter, Ronald Reagan). Pragmatic takes explanation.

Moreover, Mr. Trump was all over the map: By the time someone even saw what he was writing or saying he was on to five other subjects.

Perhaps the Gish Gallop should be renamed the Trump Gallop.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:39:53am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

I think the point Smith and I are trying to make is that the party has no problems with Hispanic and Black working class voters supporting it and yet Senator Sanders wants to act like we have a working class problem. I mean I get his concerns. Honestly, it does sadden me that the demographic that my family was in when they embraced the Democratic party first as immigrants to this country has shifted to the GOP but unlike Senator Sanders, I can see that a big part of that shift is due to that demographics’ own prejudices. I am not saying all of them are racist or none of their concerns are economic but the fact is we do talk about these issues and so many of these voters would rather hear the empty rhetoric Trump showed them.

My comment wasn’t made to say you and Smith25’s Liberal Thighs think any certain way. I made it because what both of you were talking about made me think there may have been an unintended consequence to how Hillary and the Dems ran their campaings.

To put it simply: did too many white people suddenly grow more concerned about their own butts to worry about “other’s” butts?

And then they decided, screw the “others” I got my own problems and maybe Trump makes it better for me and mine. So, they went on a gut/base decision and voted for Trump thinking even if his policies are awful and mean to several groups maybe it opens up more for them. Let Trump do the dirty work and hopefully they benefit from it all.

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:46:00am

re: #405 ObserverArt

You know, it did not hit me until I read both of your comments.

I may be way out to lunch in thinking this, but did many white (Democrats and Independents) abandon voting for the Democratic candidate this election because there was too much mention of Blacks and Latinos/Hispanics and Muslims by the party and Clinton?

Did the white voters go with Trump for the fact that he too promised jobs but he also offered to take care of the problem people that maybe, just maybe a bunch of whites agreed with but were too scared to admit it before they actually voted.

Maybe it is a soft form of racism…they are more concerned about their own situations to spend time worrying about anyone else. Every person for themselves.

It scares me to even think it could occur, but with the emphasis on “race” and “illegals” I wonder if even some Democrats and people that may have voted Clinton ran away from the party thinking the party no longer really represents them ‘enough.’

Bingo, IMO. Except I dunno about the word ‘soft’.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:49:23am

Dear Media,

Could you please take a few minutes away from your Hamilton stories to look into this?

According to a report out of Argentina, when Argentine President Mauricio Macri called President-Elect Trump to congratulate him on his election, Trump asked Macri to deal with the permitting issues that are currently holding up the project.

This comes from one of Argentina’s most prominent journalists, Jorge Lanata, in a recent TV appearance. Lanata is quoted here in La Nacion, one of Argentina’s most prestigious dailies. Said Lanata: “Macri called him. This still hasn’t emerged but Trump asked for them to authorize a building he’s constructing in Buenos Aires, it wasn’t just a geopolitical chat.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:53:19am

re: #414 ObserverArt

My comment wasn’t made to say you and Smith25’s Liberal Thighs think any certain way. I made it because what both of you were talking about made me think there may have been an unintended consequence to how Hillary and the Dems ran their campaings.

To put it simply: did too many white people suddenly grow more concerned about their own butts to worry about “other’s” butts?

And then they decided, screw the “others” I got my own problems and maybe Trump makes it better for me and mine. So, they went on a gut/base decision and voted for Trump thinking even if his policies are awful and mean to several groups maybe it opens up more for them. Let Trump do the dirty work and hopefully they benefit from it all.

I dunno. It’s definitely something worthwhile thinking though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:54:18am

re: #416 BeachDem

Dear Media,

Could you please take a few minutes away from your Hamilton stories to look into this?

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Dear Beach Dem,

Why? He is already elected.

The Media

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:56:41am

therooster.com

The Satanic Temple is reporting its biggest spike in new members ever, courtesy of Donald Trump’s election (primarily as a reaction to theocrats and such being ushered in to the government).

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:59:19am

re: #420 jaunte

One of the things we’ll have to deal with is that Trump just wants to be a oligarch. It’s the rest of his crew that wants to destroy our democracy.

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Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:04:02am

re: #421 Belafon

One of the things we’ll have to deal with is that Trump just wants to be a oligarch. It’s the rest of his crew that wants to destroy our democracy.

On that note, my biggest fear at this moment is an Operation Northwoods-style false flag terrorist attack (how ironic if Mr. 9/11-an-inside-job Alex Jones sees his preferred candidate perpetuate that very thing)

Just think - it would be the perfect pretext for all the anti-Muslim policies Hair Furor proposed, and the lapdog media would revert to its Dubya mode of “you’re either with us or with the terrorists/rally around the flag, criticism of the president is unpatriotic”

I wish it were just a paranoid nightmare scenario, but can we put *anything* past this crew…?

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Anymouse  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:06:04am

Interesting statistic: Only three First Ladies did not live in the White House.

Martha Washington (because it wasn’t built yet)
Anna Harrison (because her husband died before she could take up residence)
and apparently for now Melania Trump (allegedly to keep her son Barron in school)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:06:42am

OT but it made me laugh

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:12:16am

Keith Ellison is saying the right things (Daily Kos link):

“I am giving him a chance. He has selected [Stephen] Bannon, he’s not talking about reform, he’s bringing lobbyists in already,” Ellison — an emerging leader in the Democratic Party who is mounting a bid for Democratic National Committee chair — said in an interview on “New Day.”

“My thing is, yeah, we gave him a chance already. And he put in Bannon, he put in [ret. Lt. Gen. Michael] Flynn, and he put in Jeff Sessions,” the Minnesota lawmaker continued, rattling off a list of hardliners and loyalists whom Trump has named to high-profile administration posts. “To me, he’s already made it pretty clear where he’s going with this thing.”

…

“Let’s focus on what went wrong in the election. Turnout. The problem was turnout. And so that’s what we — we’ve got to get somebody who is good at turnout.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:13:25am

re: #423 Anymouse

Interesting statistic: Only three First Ladies did not live in the White House.

Martha Washington (because it wasn’t built yet)
Anna Harrison (because her husband died before she could take up residence)
and apparently for now Melania Trump (allegedly to keep her son Barron in school)

Wait, you mean Barron isn’t HOMESCHOOLED?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:16:03am

re: #423 Anymouse

Interesting statistic: Only three First Ladies did not live in the White House.

Martha Washington (because it wasn’t built yet)
Anna Harrison (because her husband died before she could take up residence)
and apparently for now Melania Trump (allegedly to keep her son Barron in school)

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Kragar  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:18:27am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:19:33am

Accckkkkk. Laptop battery died there for a bit.

Here is how I kind of look at things now.

To start, yes I have to agree that Hillary Clinton did not have high popularity. But in context, if you were to break that down by race- Hillary Clinton was only unpopular in this Election season with White Americans. African Americans and Hispanics rated her highly, and Asian Americans with slightly more positive than not numbers(don’t remember the exact source off top of my head) So all of the talk about the two most unpopular candidates ever to run for President was all about catering to the White perspective as the default. Hence any talk of white working class voters and their concerns is the default. Black, Hispanic, Asian working class is identity politics and PC culture.

But even beyond that, if you look at where the Electoral College was won and lost. Those areas of Michigan and Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and Iowa. Those rust belt areas full of white working class voters. Well, why did they vote different from their non-white counterparts. Economic anxiety for the working class crossed color lines, but voting behavior did not. Why? Racism is an easy(sometimes correct) answer. So why did some of these communities vote for President Obama in a time (2012) when economic conditions were worse by the numbers? 1. The economy is overall doing well. Stocks are high, Unemployment is low. But the white working class isn’t seeing the benefit(none of the working class are like they should) so it must be Obamas fault. 2. For 40-50 years, the wwc in this country has been bombarded with reasons why the benefits of society are passing them by: Affirmative Action, Immigrants, etc, etc. In 1972, Richard Nixon ran a political ad that implicitly said that half the country is on Welfare and the Blue collar white dude is working his butt off paying for himself, but also all of the Moochers.

1972 Nixon McGovern Welfare

The Southern Strategy didn’t just work in the South, but it did work differently. An ability to blame the other still lies at its heart. It is how a Nixon or George Wallace could run in primaries in the Democratic party in 1968 in places like Indiana or Maryland and gain good measures of support. Reagan Democrats is just another term for White Working Class voters. But these areas also supported Democrats and President Obama(and Bernie Sanders in the primaries)-how? Just my opinion, but these voters represent what happens when there is a group threat dynamic. This group feels threatened by something as the reason why their life is not as it should be. The Republican party has pounced on and IMO exploited these voters group dynamic. These voters can be passionate, and REACTIONARY. Anybody to blame gets voted against.

And something that I don’t want to leave out. Clinton ran probably the most minority-centric national campaign ever. When Trump runs the most White-nationalist campaign in a while, that difference can be at least unconsciously picked up as a reason to or not to vote for an individual.

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:20:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:24:54am

He is “All Things To All Men”

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:25:21am

Eric Bolling Is Trying To Cover His Bigoted Tracks (And Failing)

Erikkk Bolling, a Fox News host who is reportedly discussing a possible position in President-elect Donald Trump’s administration, deleted a five-year-old racist tweet about President Obama immediately after Media Matters unearthed it.

Bolling drew criticism in May 2011 after tweeting that Obama had been “chugging 40’s” in Ireland “while tornadoes ravage” Missouri. Earlier today, Media Matters called attention to that tweet in a post exploring Bolling’s history of making bigoted commentary and pushing conspiracy theories.

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:27:42am
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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:29:35am

re: #433 Jenner7

1) What kind of phone was used for the call;
2) Who else was in the room when call was placed/received;
3) Who leaked original report that this was subject to discussion?

You know - basic reporting stuff.

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Weaselone  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:34:15am

re: #434 lawhawk

1) What kind of phone was used for the call;
2) Who else was in the room when call was placed/received;
3) Who leaked original report that this was subject to discussion?

You know - basic reporting stuff.

Hmmm. I thought basic reporting on this type activity was

1. Smoke
2. Shadows
3. Lack of evidence/contradictory evidence raises questions

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:39:04am
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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:39:23am
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There’s the bipartisanship token.

Just watch.

And it’s a Bernie acolyte at that.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:40:54am
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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:41:22am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:42:59am

re: #437 lawhawk

There’s the bipartisanship token.
Just watch.
And it’s a Bernie acolyte at that.

Media: Clearly Trump is pivoting into Presidential mode.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:44:37am

re: #437 lawhawk

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:50:24am

re: #434 lawhawk

1) What kind of phone was used for the call;
2) Who else was in the room when call was placed/received;
3) Who leaked original report that this was subject to discussion?

You know - basic reporting stuff.

I can only address #3 (and it doesn’t really address who leaked, but tells how it was reported)
talkingpointsmemo.com

And I could sing some Hamilton lyrics (to be topical) for a supposition on #2:

In God we trust
But we’ll never really know what got discussed
Click-boom then it happened
And no one else was in the room where it happened

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:50:51am
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Kragar  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:51:37am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:55:34am
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Kragar  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:55:43am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:56:19am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:57:51am
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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:58:03am

re: #448 Charles Johnson

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ECONOMIC NATIONALIST

Is that what they’re called today.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:58:24am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:58:38am

re: #450 wrenchwench

ECONOMIC NATIONALIST

Is that what they’re called today.

Politically Correct term for “Nazi”.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 10:58:46am

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One of his favorite people is Lenin.

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:00:23am

re: #452 Dr. Matt

Politically Correct term for “Nazi”.

They used to hate political correctness. Thought it was dishonest.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:00:25am

re: #453 Belafon

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One of his favorite people is Lenin.

Let’s look at the labels in his clothes and strip off everything that is not made in the U.S.A.

AVERT YOUR EYES!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:00:34am
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Timothy Watson  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:02:15am

re: #456 Charles Johnson

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What’s the odds on Lester Holt being thrown out of the meeting?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:03:28am

re: #458 gocart mozart

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Voltaire wouldn’t cry. He loved his rich privilege. He was just slightly more self aware than the other wealthys of his time (he did not live to see the French Revolution).

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:03:30am
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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:03:45am

re: #456 Charles Johnson

Are they getting their sub-cranial implants?

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unproven innocence  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:05:52am

re: #444 Kragar

The razor-wire is for protecting the LEOs and military from the terrorists, presumably. I’m sure that’s how it will be reported later.
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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:08:57am

re: #462 freetoken

Are they getting their sub-cranial implants?

Trump’s accountant is going to tell them what share of the grift they’re going to receive.

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sagehen  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:11:25am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pants Rumpus

Just start with RNC PR BS… then add vowels as appropriate.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:12:08am

Drump’s America:

State [of Michigan] says literacy not a right in Detroit

Attorneys for Gov. Rick Snyder and state education officials say no fundamental right to literacy exists for Detroit schoolchildren who are suing the state over the quality of their education.

[…]

“But as important as literacy may be, the United States Supreme Court has unambiguously rejected the claim that public education is a fundamental right under the Constitution. Literacy is a component or particular outcome of education, not a right granted to individuals by the Constitution,” Haynes says.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:35:12am

re: #451 Charles Johnson

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This is their “Kneel Before Zod” meeting.

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sagehen  Nov 21, 2016 • 11:44:32am

re: #428 Kragar

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If it’s such a great joke, why aren’t you sharing it with us? I could use a good joke.


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