Neil Finn - Don’t Dream It’s Over (Live With Strings, Auckland 2015)

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Neil Finn performing ‘Don’t Dream It’s Over’ at Auckland Town Hall, New Zealand, 18th July 2015.
Listen to RNZ National’s recording of the concert at radionz.co.nz
Recorded and mixed by Andre Upston. Video by Kontent, directed by Simon Mark-Brown.
String arrangements by Victoria Kelly.
Song originally on the 1986 Crowded House album, ‘Crowded House’.
See over 200 videos and play all Neil’s albums in full at neilfinn.com

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312 comments
1
retired cynic  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:24:50am

I’m really a fan!

2
Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:49:10pm

This is so good.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:50:46pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

This is so good.

Another first-rate performance. Perhaps you should be a music scout, Mr. Johnson.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:52:43pm

I just learned that a friend and former teaching colleague of mine died a few days ago. He was in his 70s. His only real health issue AFAIK was diabetes, which he had well under control for decades. Had a heart attack Monday morning, and died in hospital. He was a dedicated, erudite and gifted teacher of history. Stu is survived by his wife, Anne, another fine teacher and human being.

Fuck 2016.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:54:56pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

I just learned that a friend and former teaching colleague of mine died a few days ago. He was in his 70s. His only real health issue AFAIK was diabetes, which he had well under control for decades. Had a heart attack Monday morning, and died in hospital. He was a dedicated, erudite and gifted teacher of history. Stu is survived by his wife, Anne, another fine teacher and human being.

Fuck 2016.

My sincere condolences on the loss of your friend.

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calochortus  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:55:01pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

Sorry to hear that. I suspect we’re all hoping for a better 2017.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:55:54pm

Beautiful

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:55:54pm

This is better than the original.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:58:04pm

Perfection. Made me weep.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:58:35pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

Condolences……. No more pain and no more Trump

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 7:58:40pm

Van Morrison last year on his 70th birthday in Cyprus Park, Belfast, just hangin’ in the old neighb
(Corrected link)

Youtube Video

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:04:10pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:05:52pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

This is so good.

Love it.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:07:37pm

Love how they remake those hits into beautiful acoustic arrangements.
Reminds me of when I saw Mike Peters of the Alarm (anybody remember them?) play the House of Blues in Vegas years ago. There were probably at most 30 to 40 people in the whole place. He was playing all by himself with just a microphone and his acoustic guitar. I was funny because we’d say hey play sixty eight guns or whatever song we could think of, and he would sing them. It was really cool.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:08:14pm

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:08:52pm

re: #10 Dave In Austin

Condolences……. No more pain and no more Trump

My Facebook feed is filled with remembrances from his colleagues and former students, whom he treated with only the greatest respect and care. He died in Arizona yesterday, where he was living in semi-retirement (aside from editing books and stuff) with his wife Anne. AZ lizards might be on the lookout for his obit (Stu Cipinko).

As I am now coming up on age 61, I realize that I’ll be losing more of my older (and at times younger) friends to the vicissitudes of age. Doesn’t make it any easier when one of them dies unexpectedly.

Here’s a photo of Stu. Anne has shared it widely on FB, so I think it’s OK here.

RIP my friend Stu Cipinko
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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:10:37pm

re: #16 wheat-dogg

With song playing in the background, & reading your tribute.

Plus the strings.

So sad.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:11:12pm

Heh…. I’ll be here all night.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:12:08pm

re: #16 wheat-dogg

Phx or Tucson?

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:14:28pm

I was going to make a nasty but imo true observation about how meh Don Was’ production is of the new Rolling Stones record, but remembered Was also produced Michelle Shocked’s very nice “Arkansas Traveler” lp, so I’ll just say you’re a boring old get, Mick Jagger. End of rant, maybe.

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calochortus  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:15:13pm

Good night all. I’m spending the rest of the evening with a Midsomer Murders DVD and some embroidery.
Hasta mañana,

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:15:39pm

re: #18 Dave In Austin

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more. No less.

The only other thing to remember is to never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:16:02pm

re: #19 Dave In Austin

Phx or Tucson?

Tucson

He had a blog for a while, if anyone wants to check it. ichbinedukator.wordpress.com

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:18:17pm

re: #21 calochortus

Good night all. I’m spending the rest of the evening with a Midsomer Murders DVD and some embroidery.
Hasta mañana,

A couple of hours ago I watched the episode “The Made To Measure Murders” for the first time. ★★★

Happy sleuthing!

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:23:01pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I just made that line (with proper attribution) my principal E-mail signature line. The bastards won’t win without a fight.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:26:56pm

re: #23 wheat-dogg

Tucson

He had a blog for a while, if anyone wants to check it. ichbinedukator.wordpress.com

Just thought I’d butt in and point out that seeing two online comments in a row that don’t misspell Tucson as Tuscon is an extremely rare occurrence and suggest a possible rift in The Force.

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Thanos  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:27:19pm

He still has quite a set of pipes after all this time.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:28:26pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:31:38pm

Thanos. Just caught that you posted this.

Seriously, this one has taken me there. I’ve watched twice, shared on twitter & am interacting with someone who watched & is reacting same.

I’ve cried a few times lately. This made it large.

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retired cynic  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:34:25pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

Thanos. Just caught that you posted this.

Seriously, this one has taken me there. I’ve watched twice, shared on twitter & am interacting with someone who watched & is reacting same.

I’ve cried a few times lately. This made it large.

Me, too.

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Quiet Storm  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:36:50pm

OT: don’t know if you have seen this. It was just posted on my FB wall by a friend who is keeping an eye on changes to civil liberties since the election. rawstory.com

Just made me so angry. I will see if I can find something to do to chill. Night all.

Wheat, so sorry to hear about your friend.

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JasonA  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:37:26pm

Loved the cold open tonight.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:37:29pm

Benjamin Schwartz

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:37:54pm

re: #26 De Kolta Chair

Just thought I’d butt in and point out that seeing two online comments in a row that don’t misspell Tucson as Tuscon is an extremely rare occurrence and suggest a rift in The Force.

Indeed. It should be “Tuskon.”

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:37:54pm

re: #31 Quiet Storm

OT: don’t know if you have seen this. It was just posted on my FB wall by a friend who is keeping an eye on changes to civil liberties since the election. rawstory.com

Just made me so angry. I will see if I can find something to do to chill. Night all.

Wheat, so sorry to hear about your friend.

Thanks.

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:40:33pm

re: #26 De Kolta Chair

Just thought I’d butt in and point out that seeing two online comments in a row that don’t misspell Tucson as Tuscon is an extremely rare occurrence and suggest a rift in The Force.

What’s this about Twoson?

< whistles innocently >

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:42:52pm

My wife just finished her new dress. She tried it on for my opinion.

My opinion is we need to go to bed. /s Good night, y’all.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:42:58pm

re: #34 Anymouse

Indeed. It should be “Tuskon.”

There’s a Fleetwood Mac pun in there somewhere…

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:48:32pm

re: #26 De Kolta Chair

Natives…….

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:48:53pm
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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:52:11pm

God loves fracking more than Catholics, just saying

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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:52:42pm

re: #40 jaunte

The horrific tile/marble flooring = trump tower. Before the SS procession to Long Island.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:52:58pm

So, I said downstairs I had only lost one former student to suicide. Now it is two.

I haven’t been on Facebook for quite a while, and today learned not only my friend Stu had died, but a former student had taken his own life last month. He was 34, a bright, friendly, caring young man.

Shit.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:53:06pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:55:08pm

Fuck…..

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:55:58pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

The horrific tile/marble flooring = trump tower. Before the SS procession to Long Island.

The diver scallops with caramelized cauliflower and caper-raisin emulsion on the floor was the give-away, oui?

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:56:27pm

re: #44 Kragar

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Charles beat you to it downstairs. But it is a hoot. I can’t wait to see the bomb and baby groot in context.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:56:42pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

I’m so sorry for your loss.

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JasonA  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:58:08pm
re: #44 Kragar

I have mad respect for Bautista for giving that role all he’s got.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:58:14pm

re: #43 wheat-dogg

:( I don’t know what to say. Sorry. Very very sorry.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:58:46pm

re: #46 De Kolta Chair

The diver scallops with caramelized cauliflower and caper-raisin emulsion on the floor was the give-away, oui?

First time i saw that dinner menu my thought was ‘after this campaign, who would believe in the pedigree of a scallop served at a Trump property?’

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JasonA  Dec 3, 2016 • 8:59:29pm

re: #43 wheat-dogg

I am so sorry.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:01:37pm

re: #48 Romantic Heretic

I’m so sorry for your loss.

I’m gonna play some tunes, mark some papers and avoid FB for the rest of the day.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:03:37pm

re: #43 wheat-dogg

So, I said downstairs I had only lost one former student to suicide. Now it is two.

I haven’t been on Facebook for quite a while, and today learned not only my friend Stu had died, but a former student had taken his own life last month. He was 34, a bright, friendly, caring young man.

Shit.

That is horrible, Mr. Wheat-Dogg. I am so sorry for your loss.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:06:00pm

re: #44 Kragar

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:08:15pm
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retired cynic  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:09:01pm

re: #56 jaunte

Absolutely!

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SteveMcG RN  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:12:11pm

If you want to call yourself a populist, shouldn’t you at least win the popular vote?

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:12:22pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

So sorry to hear, wheat-dogg. I understand where you are coming from. I’ll be 61 next month and i’m coming to that time of the year when my favorite uncle, Mom, Dad and my oldest sister passed away. I’ve lost many of my college friends and even more classmates from high school. Brings a reminder to me that time is slipping away. I may not be guaranteed tomorrow so I’ve got to make each day count.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:15:00pm

re: #40 jaunte

Damn, I wish I got my hands on some Kryptonite…

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:17:23pm
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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:17:28pm

re: #59 Joe Bacon

So sorry to hear, wheat-dogg. I understand where you are coming from. I’ll be 61 next month and i’m coming to that time of the year when my favorite uncle, Mom, Dad and my oldest sister passed away. I’ve lost many of my college friends and even more classmates from high school. Brings a reminder to me that time is slipping away. I may not be guaranteed tomorrow so I’ve got to make each day count.

I’m sorry for your losses as well, Mr. Bacon.

As for time slipping away, I’d rather face my future plans than my future demise. I am already the second-oldest person in all my family (only my mother is older) and the oldest man in anyone’s memory in my family. I’d rather think about good stuff coming up.

I’m glad you’re around to keep this young’un straight (56).

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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:17:28pm

I plugged in my old ipod.

The Cars, It’s all I can do.

I’m still crying. I’m not being dramatic. The USofA is scaring the shit out of me.

FYI my next shuffle = Driver 8, REM

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:18:27pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

I plugged in my old ipod.

The Cars, It’s all I can do.

I’m still crying. I’m not being dramatic. The USofA is scaring the shit out of me.

FYI my next shuffle = Driver 8, REM

Is an iPod a fancy phonograph? I have that LP.

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Alyosha  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:18:46pm
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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:21:57pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

I plugged in my old ipod.

The Cars, It’s all I can do.

I’m still crying. I’m not being dramatic. The USofA is scaring the shit out of me.

And your answer is to listen to “All Mixed Up”???

////////////////////////////

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:23:55pm

re: #65 Alyosha

For anyone who might need it.

Video

Also, “Mood for a Day” by Steve Howe of

Yes

. Originally performed on “Fragile,” this is a live performance, which also shows how he plays the song (with a close-up of the fretboard of the guitar).

Youtube Video

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:25:53pm

Damn.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:26:06pm

re: #62 Anymouse

Thank you, friend.

When you are young you begin to realize death when great grandparents and grandparents pass away. Then when you get into high school, a classmate or two do not make it to graduation. You graduate from college, then an uncle or aunt passes on. You’re starting a career and notice a couple more relatives passing away. Then you’re established and your parent passes on. You go home and it breaks your heart to see the town you grew up in dying. Time passes and then a brother or sister passes on. That’s when it really sinks in that time grows shorter for you. You start to think about Jimmy Durante singing this classic…

September Song Jimmy Durante 1955

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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:27:53pm

re: #66 De Kolta Chair

And your answer is to listen to “All Mixed Up”???

////////////////////////////

Next. RIP Ben Orr.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:29:30pm

re: #66 De Kolta Chair

And your answer is to listen to “All Mixed Up”???

////////////////////////////

The Cars - All Mixed Up - Live 1978

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:32:32pm

re: #69 Joe Bacon

Thank you, friend.

When you are young you begin to realize death when great grandparents and grandparents pass away. Then when you get into high school, a classmate or two do not make it to graduation. You graduate from college, then an uncle or aunt passes on. You’re starting a career and notice a couple more relatives passing away. Then you’re established and your parent passes on. You go home and it breaks your heart to see the town you grew up in dying. Time passes and then a brother or sister passes on. That’s when it really sinks in that time grows shorter for you. You start to think about Jimmy Durante singing this classic…

Much of that was delayed for me. My paternal maternal great-grandmother and her daughter (my father’s mother) both died in 1984. My last great-great-grandmother died in 1978 when I was eighteen. My mother’s mother’s mother died in 1993 (I was given emergency leave from the Navy for her funeral at my family’s request). My mother’s mother died in 2005.

No man older than me lived beyond 1974 (when I was a teenager). Only since 2005 has it sunk in that I’m near the top of the list.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:34:36pm

re: #66 De Kolta Chair

I’m immune to /////

Obviously.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:37:02pm
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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:39:36pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

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Video

Works for me. ;0)

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:40:28pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

I plugged in my old ipod.

The Cars, It’s all I can do.

I’m still crying. I’m not being dramatic. The USofA is scaring the shit out of me.

FYI my next shuffle = Driver 8, REM

You need a little JB

I have prayed for America
I was made for America
I can’t let go till she comes around
Until the land of the free
Is awake and can see
And until her conscience has been found

Jackson Browne - For America

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:41:46pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:44:11pm

re: #76 BeachDem

You need a little JB

I have prayed for America
I was made for America
I can’t let go till she comes around
Until the land of the free
Is awake and can see
And until her conscience has been found

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Next. I’m listening to Africa now.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:47:04pm

So my ipod & bose system needs to be upgraded.

Shuffle just played

It’s Different For Girls - Joe Jackson

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:50:54pm

Madonna covered Britney Spears’s “Toxic” with a Donald Trump theme:

Madonna - Toxic (Live Tears of a clown)

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:54:09pm

re: #69 Joe Bacon

Thank you, friend.

When you are young you begin to realize death when great grandparents and grandparents pass away. Then when you get into high school, a classmate or two do not make it to graduation. You graduate from college, then an uncle or aunt passes on. You’re starting a career and notice a couple more relatives passing away. Then you’re established and your parent passes on. You go home and it breaks your heart to see the town you grew up in dying. Time passes and then a brother or sister passes on. That’s when it really sinks in that time grows shorter for you. You start to think about Jimmy Durante singing this classic…

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Video

Good night, Mrs Calabash, wherever you are.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:57:09pm

re: #45 Dave In Austin

Fuck…..

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Every Republican that votes to confirm Rohrabacher should be called a Putin Puppet.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:57:24pm

re: #69 Joe Bacon

Thank you, friend.

When you are young you begin to realize death when great grandparents and grandparents pass away. Then when you get into high school, a classmate or two do not make it to graduation. You graduate from college, then an uncle or aunt passes on. You’re starting a career and notice a couple more relatives passing away. Then you’re established and your parent passes on. You go home and it breaks your heart to see the town you grew up in dying. Time passes and then a brother or sister passes on. That’s when it really sinks in that time grows shorter for you. You start to think about Jimmy Durante singing this classic…

[Embedded content]

Video

I did not know until now - Willie Nelson wrote September Song.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 9:57:28pm

Aaaaand for today’s quota of barf:

Director of “Last Tango in Paris” Says Famous Rape Scene in Movie Was Not Consensual

In an interview, he describes the rape scene between Marlon Brando and Maria Schneider as an actual rape.

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retired cynic  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:01:18pm

re: #83 BlueSpotinAL

I did not know until now - Willie Nelson wrote September Song.

No. By Kurt Weille with lyrics by Maxwell Anderson, in 1938 musical Knickerbocker Holiday.

EDIT! Weill!

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:04:34pm

re: #83 BlueSpotinAL

I did not know until now - Willie Nelson wrote September Song.

Kurt Weill wrote that song, I believe. Willie did a very nice version of it, though.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:07:04pm

re: #45 Dave In Austin

It’s interesting reading the replies that are outright delusional. One accused McMullin of receiving money from Soros. Another declared Russia our ally.

Either they’re all impersonators, or the party really is under Russia’s control.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:16:20pm

re: #84 Anymouse

Aaaaand for today’s quota of barf:

Director of “Last Tango in Paris” Says Famous Rape Scene in Movie Was Not Consensual

In an interview, he describes the rape scene between Marlon Brando and Maria Schneider as an actual rape.

There needs to be an award for that sort of behavior. I suggest it be an anatomically-correct doll (“Show me on the doll..”) named after (Woody) Allen, (Roman) Polanski, or Mr. Bertolucci himself.
Mr. Trump can hand it out at the Oscars.

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ozharas  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:28:14pm

Not sure if you can watch this outside Australia but this is last week’s concert by Crowded House at Sydney Opera House, to mark the 20 year anniversary of their Farewell to the World concert - they were just inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame as well.

Great viewing.

iview.abc.net.au

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:29:39pm

re: #86 makeitstop

Kurt Weill wrote that song, I believe. Willie did a very nice version of it, though.

I was about to say, that song is a lot older than Willie. Durante in that clip was singing in the early 1960s, and September Song was a classic even then.

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:30:14pm

I guess the big party must have ended early, because the yam is busy critiquing SNL. (How fucking presidential. spit)

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:30:53pm

re: #89 ozharas

Not sure if you can watch this outside Australia but this is last week’s concert by Crowded House at Sydney Opera House, to mark the 20 year anniversary of their Farewell to the World concert - they were just inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame as well.

Great viewing.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:38:11pm

Yup, Floor-Shitter Rage Furby isn’t behind Malik Obama’s Twitter account one bit. No siree.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:40:47pm

re: #91 BeachDem

I guess the big party must have ended early, because the yam is busy critiquing SNL. (How fucking presidential. spit)

SNL needs to use this as a stamp of approval. “Trump hates it, that means you gotta see it!”

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:44:53pm
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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:45:44pm

Bed time, night y’all. It’s a pleasure to hang with informed and interesting people such as those found here. (We’ll try flattery, though it’s still true.)

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SteveMcG RN  Dec 3, 2016 • 10:54:31pm

re: #96 Anymouse

I’ll take some of the credit, even though I was just lurking.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 11:21:38pm
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Lupin  Dec 3, 2016 • 11:46:38pm

re: #55 De Kolta Chair

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Have you noticed how many of the racist speeches Stan put in the mouth of the Hate-Monger in FANTASTIC FOUR or Roy Thomas in the Sons of the Serpent in AVENGERS are now part of the mainstream political debate?
I’m too lazy to make scans but it’s scary.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 11:50:38pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 11:52:13pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2016 • 11:57:19pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2016 • 11:57:44pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:03:10am

re: #103 teleskiguy

He’s got Toady Von Pence to handle those minor details

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Bass Reeves  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:04:01am

re: #103 teleskiguy

We also don’t want him in contact with world leaders. Let him watch SNL and forget to go to inauguration, I’m cool with it.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:07:20am

Normalization continues unabated.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:20:28am

re: #104 Dave In Austin

He’s got Toady Von Pence to handle those minor details

Keeping in schedule for when he’ll bow out the night before the inauguration for some stupid reason, handing Pence the keys right out of the gate.

I would add the // … but with this moron, who knows by now.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:21:54am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:22:20am

re: #102 Dave In Austin

Ha.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:30:20am

Russian governor Viktor Nazarov:

“It turns out that United Russia won the elections in America.” Mr. Nazarov said this in a radio interview in Russia.

More at CBS:

cbsnews.com

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Alyosha  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:36:40am

Reading Simon Sebag Montefiore’s treatment of the Romanov dynasty. It’s only 1632, and the tsar’s father has engineered a war against the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania which had imprisoned him.
It’s distant enough a historical event that although it has been foreshadowed that tragedy will strike, I’m rooting for the plucky Russians.
Modern-day, not so much…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:44:42am
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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:57:18am

re: #107 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Keeping in schedule for when he’ll bow out the night before the inauguration for some stupid reason, handing Pence the keys right out of the gate.

I would add the // … but with this moron, who knows by now.

Tell you what Myron, my feeling is that within a year Pubes will impeach Trump on easy self induced charges to get Pence in the drivers seat, then all will be well in Pubeville.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:09:10am

Fuck you, Amercia. David Frum? Mmm OK. I draw the line at Sarah Palin being right though.

/me cuddled in a ball

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:15:19am

OK, so both Stranger Things and Black Mirror turned out to be mind-blowingly good.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:19:18am

re: #116 Nyet

Get out of my head.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:20:59am

That perfect ending though. (Spoilers.)

San Junipero | Ending Scene (Black Mirror) ᴴᴰ

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:27:14am
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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:43:43am
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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:54:28am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:13:42am

re: #118 Nyet

That’s a bit different from the usual dystopian Black Mirror stuff.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:19:39am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

One of the best eps.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:26:24am
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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:11:46am

This, is (another) switch from 3rd to 1st shift. Rotating shifts, every day for over 10 years.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:17:06am

Me and Sat had the shittiest shedule here.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:20:02am

re: #119 Amory Blaine

Swell. Yet another TV series I need to watch. ;-)

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:21:02am

re: #126 Amory Blaine

Me and Sat had the shittiest shedule here.

Whatever happened to Sat? Did he flounce or something? I missed it if he did.

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Alyosha  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:23:40am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

Whatever happened to Sat? Did he flounce or something? I missed it if he did.

I think he just stopped showing up. I kinda miss him.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:23:46am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

IDK about flouncing. He split for sure though. RW guy who had a baaad schedule like me.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:27:12am

re: #126 Amory Blaine

Me and Sat had the shittiest shedule here.

I can enjoy mine because it’s always third shift. None of that swing insanity.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:29:53am

re: #131 William Lewis

I can enjoy mine because it’s always third shift. None of that swing insanity.

I’ve lucked out having jobs that never required third shift. I don’t know how people handle swing shifts or changing from one shift to another. I guess it would be a lot like jetlag.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:31:17am
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Alyosha  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:33:49am

re: #130 Amory Blaine

re: #131 William Lewis

re: #132 wheat-dogg

Well mine starts in about seven hours so I gotta get :)

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:42:11am

I got Shanghai’d into my spot AFAIC.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:44:44am

re: #135 Amory Blaine

I got Shanghai’d into my spot AFAIC.

Bambou Gainsbourg - Shanghai - Made In China ‘89

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:49:26am

re: #136 Nyet

Dude, I can’t stop laughing.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 4:03:13am
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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 4:28:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 4:53:43am

He’s awake and ranting:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 4:57:54am

re: #130 Amory Blaine

IDK about flouncing. He split for sure though. RW guy who had a baaad schedule like me.

Hope he’s alright. I don’t think he was a bad guy. I remember recommending my alma mater when his son was looking at schools but I think he ultimately chose an in state school.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2016 • 4:58:36am

Donald hates Free Trade

Donald loves Content-Free Tirade

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:02:06am

Seriously though? He’s complaining about SNL again? If I’m SNL, I go meta and mock him for his complaining. Really this is the MRA’s “Alpha”, a man who can’t handle SNL poking fun without going on Twitter to whine?

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:02:27am

His followers are so fucking stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:03:47am

Man I never liked Bush but pop culture portrayed him as an absolute moron and I don’t recall him complaining much if at all, in fact I believe he had a sense of humor about it.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:12:41am

re: #116 Nyet

OK, so both Stranger Things and Black Mirror turned out to be mind-blowingly good.

OK, this one is next then.

Utopia Opening Scene

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:14:34am
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John Carter  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:24:27am

re: #16 wheat-dogg

My Facebook feed is filled with remembrances from his colleagues and former students, whom he treated with only the greatest respect and care. He died in Arizona yesterday, where he was living in semi-retirement (aside from editing books and stuff) with his wife Anne. AZ lizards might be on the lookout for his obit (Stu Cipinko).

As I am now coming up on age 61, I realize that I’ll be losing more of my older (and at times younger) friends to the vicissitudes of age. Doesn’t make it any easier when one of them dies unexpectedly.

Here’s a photo of Stu. Anne has shared it widely on FB, so I think it’s OK here.

[Embedded content]

RIP my friend Stu Cipinko

Sorry for your loss and theirs. Sounds like he was a great guy.

Btw, he was healthy and had a good quality of life up into he passed suddenly? That is the best way to kick it IMO.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:29:51am
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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:29:55am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2016 • 5:39:58am

re: #93 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I really hope that we don’t have to see that Idiot’s mug throughout Trump’s presidency. I am going to spend the next four years missing the hell out of the Obamas and don’t need to be reminded about a bitter half-brother who we only know about because of his familial connection to the current POTUS.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:14:31am

re: #146 Nyet

Oh yes. Utopia is great.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:16:36am

re: #148 John Carter

Sorry for your loss and theirs. Sounds like he was a great guy.

Btw, he was healthy and had a good quality of life up into he passed suddenly? That is the best way to kick it IMO.

Thanks. Yes, as far as I know, he was pretty healthy up to his heart attack Monday. He was a diabetic, but held to a rigorous exercise and diet routine that probably kept him in very good shape for an older gentleman. When I worked with him years ago, he’d lift heavier weights than most of the high school boys, despite being only about five and half feet tall. He was built like a gymnast or a Greco-Roman wrestler. So hearing he had a heart attack was a big surprise.

I agree with you. We all have to go sooner or later. I’d rather it be quick, and not some long drawn-out affair that could bankrupt my family. Of course, I’m hoping to postpone that event as long as possible!

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:26:47am

So, snow, temps right around freezing and roads as slick as park grass covered in goose droppings… thrill.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:02:56am
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DuckDharma  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:06:50am

thread

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:08:23am

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

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We now return to Baby in Chief.

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Varek Raith  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:11:14am
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Varek Raith  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:16:14am

re: #156 DuckDharma

thread

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And what policy should be changed?

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:17:47am

re: #156 DuckDharma

Trump still hasn’t brought his own manufacturing back to the US.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:20:19am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:33:36am

re: #127 wheat-dogg

Black Mirror is awesome.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:50:01am

CATO Institute, 2011:

“…Remember “TARP,” “Too Big to Fail,” “Government Motors,” “pay czar,” the buzzwords of the Bush-Obama era? They reflected a disturbing trend toward presidential interference in economic life.

Forty years ago this week, President Richard Nixon showed us just how dangerous unchecked executive power can be to the free-enterprise system.”
cato.org

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:51:56am

re: #164 jaunte

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CATO Institute, 2011:

And I bet many of the right wing think tanks will be silent about this because team GOP/right wing matters more than principles.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:59:15am

re: #164 jaunte

The difference between 2008-2009 and now is that the economy was colapsing back then. And after things recovered, the government released control. Trump will have to constantly monitor every company, even those that he’s made deals with.

Edit: the stuff the government did back then we’re large scale bankruptcy proceedings. What’s going on with Trump is very much like Nixon’s price controls.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:59:38am
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mmmirele  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:11:05am

re: #164 jaunte

I mean, what’s being proposed here is reminiscient of state-planned economies, i.e., the worst aspects of Stalinism returned? I’m not happy about US jobs going offshore—last month, upper management at my evil, too big to fail financial employer decided to fill a job vacancy (left by someone who moved to another division) by going to the Philippines. I let my manager and her manager know how I feel about it (American jobs should stay in the USA, basically). But even I am opposed to the president of the United States micromanaging companies and employment.

I never, ever thought I’d see someone labeled “Republican” trying to bring state planning and call it keeping jobs in the USA. Never.

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Jayleia  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:15:48am

re: #168 mmmirele

And its not even “planning”. At least planning has the benefit of…y’know, planning.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:16:21am

IOKIYAR

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:21:00am

I think he’s talking out of his hat to please his deplorables — furthermore, he’s talking about doing it all himself, which is impossible.

(Imagine if he saves 800 jobs a week for four years… that’s more than 150,000 jobs!)

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:27:58am
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:31:31am

re: #4 wheat-dogg

Missed your post earlier, very sorry. Loss of a friend shrinks our lives some. Sounds like a good life worth celebrating in remembrance.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:32:47am

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Being a hipster is not very romantic.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:35:21am

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:41:59am

re: #164 jaunte

.@mike_pence: Donald Trump will make decision to intervene with companies talking of moving jobs overseas “on a day-by-day basis.”

You get a subsidy, and you get a subsidy…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:47:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:48:25am

Reince Priebus: “It’s possible” millions of people voted illegally

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DuckDharma  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:50:53am

re: #159 Varek Raith

apparently, “be more like Trump”

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DuckDharma  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:52:46am

“Did millions vote illegally?” “Are Jews people?” The Just Asking Questions era proceeds apace.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:53:17am

re: #168 mmmirele

I mean, what’s being proposed here is reminiscient of state-planned economies, i.e., the worst aspects of Stalinism returned? I’m not happy about US jobs going offshore—last month, upper management at my evil, too big to fail financial employer decided to fill a job vacancy (left by someone who moved to another division) by going to the Philippines. I let my manager and her manager know how I feel about it (American jobs should stay in the USA, basically). But even I am opposed to the president of the United States micromanaging companies and employment.

I never, ever thought I’d see someone labeled “Republican” trying to bring state planning and call it keeping jobs in the USA. Never.

I’d be a lot more impressed if he (or anyone in DC) started proposing subsidizing the costs of going to foreign trade shows, promoting American products overseas. It’s been done before to some success. Certain costs are half covered. Help with the carnet to get demo goods in and out. etc.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:57:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:04:07am
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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:05:15am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

A question: considering how we treated blacks in most of the 20th century, wasn’t our country acting a bit totalitarian even then?

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:06:11am

re: #86 makeitstop

Kurt Weill wrote that song, I believe. Willie did a very nice version of it, though.

Thanks, retired cynic and makeitstop. I misunderstood teh series of tubes.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:08:32am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

I was about to say, that song is a lot older than Willie. Durante in that clip was singing in the early 1960s, and September Song was a classic even then.

In my defense, Willie Nelson is quite old.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:09:50am

BBC just sent a news flash that the Alt-Right lost in Austria.

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Jayleia  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:10:28am

re: #185 Belafon

I think I’d call it authoritarian, but without necessarily being totalitarian (i.e. lots of control, but without a dictator-figure, although I may have the wrong terms)

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:11:24am

re: #188 Joe Bacon

BBC just sent a news flash that the Alt-Right lost in Austria.

Yeah, it looks like Hofer has been defeated. That’s some good news. Still waiting on the results of the Italian referendum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:11:31am

re: #188 Joe Bacon

BBC just sent a news flash that the Alt-Right lost in Austria.

Yes, Hofer conceded. There’s a statement on his FB page.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:11:40am

re: #189 Jayleia

I think I’d call it authoritarian, but without necessarily being totalitarian (i.e. lots of control, but without a dictator-figure, although I may have the wrong terms)

You’re probably closers to right.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:12:51am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Seriously though? He’s complaining about SNL again? If I’m SNL, I go meta and mock him for his complaining. Really this is the MRA’s “Alpha”, a man who can’t handle SNL poking fun without going on Twitter to whine?

They need to do a scene of him tweeting like mad from high on Trump tower while the country around him is suffering from nuclear fallout.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:12:57am

Gott sei Dank für kleine Gefallen.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:15:49am

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Then we better audit the whole thing.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:15:55am
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Jayleia  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:16:48am

re: #193 GlutenFreeJesus

I’d rather not see SNL become the prophets of our time, so I’d like them to NOT do that skit…

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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:17:18am

Gabe, my Brittany pup, is finally catching on to the bird hunting thing.

YouTube

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:17:33am
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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:19:44am

re: #194 Nyet

Gott sei Dank für kleine Gefallen.

Absolutely!

We just had our first snow of the year. Huge (not yuge) lazy flakes drifting straight down. Didn’t last long, but It Has Started. And I can hear squirrels romping merrily through my attic, and we thought we had them shut out. Oh, joy.

Got some bad financial news yesterday, and since I am alone, the overkill our society does on Christmas is really leaving me in a funk this year. Rats!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:21:07am

He actually calls POTUS “boy”

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:22:13am

re: #196 Nyet

At least he has some class:

Alexander Van der Bellen gratuliere ich zu seinem Erfolg und bitte alle Österreicher, zusammen zu halten und zusammen zu arbeiten.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:23:04am

re: #202 Nyet

At least he has some class:

At least the Austrians did better than we did. :<

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:23:25am

re: #197 Jayleia

I’d rather not see SNL become the prophets of our time, so I’d like them to NOT do that skit…

At least do it once he’s ousted or pulls a Palin and simply quits.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:24:27am
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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:25:05am

re: #203 retired cynic

And that was a re-do after a really close election. This one wasn’t close.

Der 72-Jährige kommt laut einer ORF-Hochrechnung vom Sonntag auf 53,6 Prozent der Stimmen. Der Kandidat der europa- und ausländerkritischen FPÖ, Norbert Hofer (45), erreicht 46,4 Prozent. Die Schwankungsbreite betrug 1,2 Prozent. Damit lag er laut Hochrechnung uneinholbar vorn.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:26:03am

re: #206 Nyet

Ours wasn’t really close, either. Just the blessed EC in the way.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:26:48am

re: #203 retired cynic

At least the Austrians did better than we did. :<

They saw what we did.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:26:57am

re: #207 retired cynic

Have a re-do too. ///

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:27:58am

re: #199 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ana Navarro

@ananavarro

If we’re just gonna invent crap out of thin air…It’s possible millions of big-eyed, purple Martians voted in this election.
[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]


12:06 PM - 4 Dec 2016

273 273 Retweets
529

How long will Ana be a Republican? And if she stays, how long before she goes full on harsh party critic?

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:32:26am

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is insane policy on so, so, so many levels.

Yes, we import a lot of goods… but we are also the world’s second largest exporter (behind China, not counting the EU’s extra-union trading). You start slapping tariffs on goods from outside the country, the products we sell in other countries are going to get hit in retribution. Meaning you’re going to do a lot of damage to American businesses as a result of this stupid, stupid policy.

Second, it’s not taxes and regulations that drive businesses out of markets - that’s why the allegedly “anti-business” California has outpaced the nation for 25 years in job creation and even outpaced Texas for 20 years. There is so much more to the calculations.

Third, businesses aren’t going to be paying the tariffs at the end of the day. They are going to pass those costs on to consumers, meaning: higher prices. Higher prices for consumer goods usually means… wait for it… INFLATION, which we haven’t dealt with in a real sense in 25 years.

Fourth, do we really want to destabilize the world economy? Because it’s not like that’s ever led to major wars or anything.

This is some very basic shit, of which I would expect a congressional intern to have at least a rudimentary understanding. Instead, the next president of the United States is talking about leading us headlong into a legitimate (potentially worldwide) depression. No wonder the rest of the world turns their lonely eyes to China (seriously, China of all fucking places) to promote stability and globalization.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:34:02am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

He actually calls POTUS “boy”

His blatant obvious racism overpowers any resentment he holds against Trump after falling for his continuous con jobs.

This is the GOP’s main weakness in a nutshell. They are just as dysfunctional as Trump, if not more so.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:35:55am

re: #212 Myron Falwell (no relation)

His blatant obvious racism overpowers any resentment he holds against Trump after falling for his continuous con jobs.

This is the GOP’s main weakness in a nutshell. They are just as dysfunctional as Trump, if not more so.

He just wants attention. Don’t give it to him.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:38:50am

re: #213 Stanley Sea

He just wants attention. Don’t give it to him.

Oh, I blocked that loser a long time ago. Would never have known about this otherwise.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:40:28am

re:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:41:20am

Glad the Austrian alt-right lost. Gives me hope for Germany and Merkel.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:43:06am

Chilly, rainy, sloppy day in Houston. It’s wonderful! (Yeah, I’m weird.) Looking forward to an afternoon of snuggling in with hot rum-spiked spiced cider and sportsball. Realized that if I stole a couple of fat chicken thighs from Buddy’s freezer stash (yes, I cook for my dog) that I had everything I needed for some hot, homemade chicken noodle soup to make the day even better.

Fuck Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:43:07am

re: #207 retired cynic

Ours wasn’t really close, either. Just the blessed EC in the way.

Yeah but California and New York and voter fraud. Really, it’s really goddamn irresponsible for Preibus and Trump to say there was voter fraud when they have zero proof of all of it. It’s bad enough these assholes won. It’s even worse that they’re trying to de-legitimize the real fact that they lost the popular vote and only won due to the very outdated EC>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:43:18am

“Citing no evidence, Priebus defends Trump’s claim of millions of illegal voters”

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:43:18am

Saw this earlier when checking my ATT/Yahoo email.

Yahoo News - Exclusive: Snowden says Petraeus disclosed ‘far more highly classified’ secrets ‘than I ever did’

In an exclusive interview with Yahoo Global News Anchor Katie Couric, Edward Snowden says that former CIA Director Gen. David Petraeus — under consideration to be President-elect Donald Trump’s secretary of state — disclosed “information that was far more highly classified than I ever did” and yet never “spent a single day in jail.”

The fugitive former NSA contractor told Couric that Petraeus’ case is evidence that “we have a two-tiered system of justice in the United States, where people who are either well connected to government or they have access to an incredible amount of resources get very light punishments.”

Snowden’s comments came in an exclusive interview with Couric in Moscow at a crucial moment for him. His lawyers in the United States, fearing that a Trump administration will take an unyielding hard line against him, are seeking either to get him a last-minute pardon from President Obama or to negotiate a plea bargain that would allow him to return to the country without spending a significant amount of time in federal prison for disclosing tens of thousands of classified government documents.

Asked by Couric what sort of plea bargain he might accept, Snowden, who is charged with multiple felonies for theft of government property and violations of the Espionage Act, argued that there were cases “where the government goes, ‘This person was acting in good faith. They were trying to do right by the American people. But they did break the law.’ No charges are ever brought, or they’re brought very minimally.”

Snowden did not cite any examples. But he immediately brought up Petraeus. “Perhaps the best-known case in recent history here is Gen. Petraeus — who shared information that was far more highly classified than I ever did with journalists,” he said. “And he shared this information not with the public for their benefit, but with his biographer and lover for personal benefit — conversations that had information, detailed information, about military special-access programs, that’s classified above top secret, conversations with the president and so on.”

“When the government came after him, they charged him with a misdemeanor,” Snowden continued. “He never spent a single day in jail, despite the type of classified information he exposed.”

- - CUT - - more in the story

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:44:32am

re: #210 ObserverArt

How long will Ana be a Republican? And if she stays, how long before she goes full on harsh party critic?

I thought it was pretty funny?/interesting? that the New Albany speaker series replaced Cokie Roberts with Ana Navarro in November.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:44:57am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

We really do live in a post-fact reality. Man it’s going to be a long next four years.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:45:43am

re: #210 ObserverArt

How long will Ana be a Republican? And if she stays, how long before she goes full on harsh party critic?

I dunno. I’ve been wondering that too. I’ll give Ana credit though. She hasn’t backed down at all since Trump was elected.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:46:26am

re: #211 KGxvi

This is insane policy on so, so, so many levels.

Yes, we import a lot of goods… but we are also the world’s second largest exporter (behind China, not counting the EU’s extra-union trading). You start slapping tariffs on goods from outside the country, the products we sell in other countries are going to get hit in retribution. Meaning you’re going to do a lot of damage to American businesses as a result of this stupid, stupid policy.

Second, it’s not taxes and regulations that drive businesses out of markets - that’s why the allegedly “anti-business” California has outpaced the nation for 25 years in job creation and even outpaced Texas for 20 years. There is so much more to the calculations.

Third, businesses aren’t going to be paying the tariffs at the end of the day. They are going to pass those costs on to consumers, meaning: higher prices. Higher prices for consumer goods usually means… wait for it… INFLATION, which we haven’t dealt with in a real sense in 25 years.

Fourth, do we really want to destabilize the world economy? Because it’s not like that’s ever led to major wars or anything.

This is some very basic shit, of which I would expect a congressional intern to have at least a rudimentary understanding. Instead, the next president of the United States is talking about leading us headlong into a legitimate (potentially worldwide) depression. No wonder the rest of the world turns their lonely eyes to China (seriously, China of all fucking places) to promote stability and globalization.

Basic shit escapes The President Donald. He seems to suffer from a form of depth perception. Not related to the eyes.

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scottslemmons  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:46:53am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Yeah but California and New York and voter fraud. Really, it’s really goddamn irresponsible for Preibus and Trump to say there was voter fraud when they have zero proof of all of it. It’s bad enough these assholes won. It’s even worse that they’re trying to de-legitimize the real fact that they lost the popular vote and only won due to the very outdated EC>

The goal is a widespread retraction of voter rights. By the end of next year, you won’t be able to vote unless you’re white. They’d prefer to restrict it to only white male property owners, but they probably wouldn’t be able to get that, at least not right away. And of course, they’d prefer to do away with voting altogether.

The press will shrug it off, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:47:43am

re: #225 scottslemmons

The goal is a widespread retraction of voter rights. By the end of next year, you won’t be able to vote unless you’re white. They’d prefer to restrict it to only white male property owners, but they probably wouldn’t be able to get that, at least not right away. And of course, they’d prefer to do away with voting altogether.

The press will shrug it off, of course.

That definitely is the end goal. They want it to be hard as hell for people who aren’t part of the GOP coalition to vote.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:48:28am

re: #221 BeachDem

I thought it was pretty funny?/interesting? that the New Albany speaker series replaced Cokie Roberts with Ana Navarro in November.

Nothing worse than the insider platitudes of Cokie Roberts on NPR on Monday mornings. Why even bother?

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:48:47am

re: #215 BeachDem

Well that didn’t work out very well—let me try again:

The headline says “claim.”
The lead says “suggestion.”
What is should say is “lie, unsupported by any facts or logic.”
WORDS MATTER.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:49:09am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Yeah but California and New York and voter fraud. Really, it’s really goddamn irresponsible for Preibus and Trump to say there was voter fraud when they have zero proof of all of it. It’s bad enough these assholes won. It’s even worse that they’re trying to de-legitimize the real fact that they lost the popular vote and only won due to the very outdated EC>

They’re attempting to feed into the idea that land, and the owners of said land, are the only people that count. We just have to call bullshit. My new line is that I don’t think any state smaller than the DFW are should be allowed to determine the outcome of the election. That would be 18 states. It’s bullshit, but no less than the idea that NY and LA are solely determining whose president.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:51:34am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I’ve been wondering that too. I’ll give Ana credit though. She hasn’t backed down at all since Trump was elected.

I give her a lot of credit too. I love her frankness. The party needs it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:53:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:57:03am

“I will tell you that the president-elect looks at his social media accounts — combined 25 million, probably more at this point, users on Twitter and Facebook — as a very good platform which to convey his messages,” Conway explained. “He’s a unique person who’s been following his instincts and his judgement from the beginning.”

But CNN host Jake Tapper questioned whether Trump’s use of Twitter was “presidential behavior.”

“Well, he’s the president-elect,” Conway shrugged. “So that’s presidential behavior, yes.”

The former campaign manager’s statement provoked gasps from the audience.

“So the things that Bill Clinton did in the Oval Office that you criticized, those were presidential?” Tapper interrupted. “You are saying if the president does it, it’s presidential?”

“I wasn’t saying otherwise,” Conway insisted, prompting laughter in the audience.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:57:52am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I’ve been wondering that too. I’ll give Ana credit though. She hasn’t backed down at all since Trump was elected.

And unlike some of the other NeverTrumpers she publicly stated that she was going to vote for Hillary and urged others to vote for her.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:58:00am

re: #210 ObserverArt

How long will Ana be a Republican? And if she stays, how long before she goes full on harsh party critic?

I think it’s better that she stays in the Republican party. Some people might listen to her who wouldn’t otherwise if she claimed to be a Democrat.

Edit:

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:01:55am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GWBush did something similar with classified information, didn’t he? I vaguely recall him saying something like, if the president says something publicly then it’s no longer classified information and thus the president can’t get in trouble for disclosing classified information.

In the most basic sense, they are both right. But in the much, much larger sense, they are so very, very wrong.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:02:14am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kellyanne is either incredibly dense or a pure sociopath. Possibly both.

But I welcome her unwittingly humiliating herself on a national stage and validating the SNL caricature of her. I hope that she fails to catch on.

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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:03:23am

Mmm… chicken rice soup

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:03:44am

re: #234 Belafon

I think it’s better that she stays in the Republican party. Some people might listen to her who wouldn’t otherwise if she claimed to be a Democrat.

I hope you’re right, but I suspect that she will be run off as a RINO in short order. That’s basically what they do to anyone who deviates too far from the party line on too many issues.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:04:25am

re: #233 Timothy Watson

And unlike some of the other NeverTrumpers she publicly stated that she was going to vote for Hillary and urged others to vote for her.

Yep it wasn’t hollow bullshit like Romney and many in the Congressional GOP who since Trump won have embraced him. Ana’s still staying strong. She’s a Republican but I have a lot of respect for her. One of the few Republicans that I do.

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scottslemmons  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:05:18am

re: #236 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Kellyanne is either incredibly dense or a pure sociopath. Possibly both.

But I welcome her unwittingly humiliating herself on a national stage. I hope that she fails to catch on.

I’ve gotten to where I assume every single person connected with the Trump administration or expressing support for Trump is a sociopath.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:05:36am

re: #225 scottslemmons

The goal is a widespread retraction of voter rights. By the end of next year, you won’t be able to vote unless you’re white. They’d prefer to restrict it to only white male property owners, but they probably wouldn’t be able to get that, at least not right away. And of course, they’d prefer to do away with voting altogether.

The press will shrug it off, of course.

Precisely! The RepubliKKKlans will now pass a Nationwide Voter ID law and they will also implement Kobach’s Crosscheck as well to strike millions of minority voters off of the rolls. Then it will be only amatter of time before they move to the next level to restrict the vote to property owners since that was the “original intent” of the founding fathers…

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allegro  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:05:51am

re: #237 jeffreyw

Mmm… chicken rice soup

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Heh, can’t hurt me today Jeffrey. Even now my house is filled with the savory fragrance of chicken soup simmering on the stove. Nom.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:05:59am

re: #234 Belafon

I think it’s better that she stays in the Republican party. Some people might listen to her who wouldn’t otherwise if she claimed to be a Democrat.

Edit:

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Correct. I also think she brings a lot to the table as a Latina immigrant. My sisters in law are Latina immigrants and they both really like Ana although they’re considerably more liberal in their beliefs than she is. Immigration naturally is a big issue to them which is why we’d be fools to drop the “identity politics”.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:07:13am

re: #238 KGxvi

I hope you’re right, but I suspect that she will be run off as a RINO in short order. That’s basically what they do to anyone who deviates too far from the party line on too many issues.

That’s especially going to happen in the Trump era. I am expecting primaries for prominent Never Trumpers and knowing Trump he’ll either overtly back the challenger or do nothing to help the incumbent. Maybe that will be our window to gain some seats in the midterms.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:07:20am

re: #240 scottslemmons

I’ve gotten to where I assume every single person connected with the Trump administration or expressing support for Trump is a sociopath.

For this there is supporting evidence.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:09:36am

A good diary about the news in the age of trump. I like this from Jack Shafer on what the press should do:

Always pair the latest Trump deception with the news story he’s deflecting attention away from. Feel free to qualify Trump’s thrust by writing something like “in an apparent attempt to bury negative news about his recent proposal” when he tweets his cockamamie best. …

By decoding his misdirections we can make it harder for his administration to impose its bull on the majority that didn’t vote for him. In other words, many times the story isn’t what Trump says but the meta concept behind why and how he’s saying it. …

John Dickerson of Slate and CBS News, whose thinking informs mine on this topic of Trump coverage, suggests that the key to covering a Trump administration will lie in the cabinet departments, the states, the Pentagon, and the courts—venues with entrenched bureaucracies. We can expect gushers of leaks, especially from the agencies, as Trump flexes his authority and they defy him. Obviously, Trump’s lies must be policed, but news consumers will profit more if the press digs harder into what the fake news-generating president is actually trying to do rather than what he’s saying. Let a billion FOIAs bloom!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:11:10am

re: #238 KGxvi

I hope you’re right, but I suspect that she will be run off as a RINO in short order. That’s basically what they do to anyone who deviates too far from the party line on too many issues.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she makes a very public repudiation of the GOP when the RWNJs force the issue.

To paraphrase the Reagan quote, she won’t leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party is leaving her.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:13:54am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

That’s especially going to happen in the Trump era. I am expecting primaries for prominent Never Trumpers and knowing Trump he’ll either overtly back the challenger or do nothing to help the incumbent. Maybe that will be our window to gain some seats in the midterms.

The Dems need to really focus on state legislatures and Congress in the next two cycles. As important as the presidential election will be in 4 years, I’m fairly certain that Trump will be enough of a disaster that the Dems should be favored unless they run another retread. But 2020 is a census year and we will have reapportionment in 2021. I wouldn’t put it past Congressional Republicans to try and screw with the reapportionment law in some incredibly stupid and hamfisted way. And since legislatures typically draw district boundaries, the state races are going to be incredibly important, and can’t wait for 2020.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:14:55am

reuters.com

In addition to passing up daily briefings, DT only has one person named on his transition team to deal with the intelligence agencies.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:15:00am

re: #247 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I wouldn’t be surprised if she makes a very public repudiation of the GOP when the RWNJs force the issue.

To paraphrase the Reagan quote, she won’t leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party is leaving her.

That’s mostly the argument I use when asked why I switched from the GOP to independent.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:15:12am

re: #248 KGxvi

The Dems need to really focus on state legislatures and Congress in the next two cycles. As important as the presidential election will be in 4 years, I’m fairly certain that Trump will be enough of a disaster that the Dems should be favored unless they run another retread. But 2020 is a census year and we will have reapportionment in 2021. I wouldn’t put it past Congressional Republicans to try and screw with the reapportionment law in some incredibly stupid and hamfisted way. And since legislatures typically draw district boundaries, the state races are going to be incredibly important, and can’t wait for 2020.

One problem is that the state house and senate districts are just as gerrymandered as the Congressional seats.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:16:21am

re: #241 Joe Bacon

The goal of the Republican Party is a simple collapse of the federal government so they can rebuild it to their own wants and desires.

Stripping voting rights - and the nationwide societal meltdown that will commence as a result - will ensure such a collapse.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:16:47am

re: #242 allegro

Heh, can’t hurt me today Jeffrey. Even now my house is filled with the savory fragrance of chicken soup simmering on the stove. Nom.

We just had kayu, Japanese rice porridge with napa cabbage (book choi?), carrots, enokidake, and a bit of chicken. It was really good (once I snuck some salt into it).

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:16:52am

re: #251 Timothy Watson

One problem is that the state house and senate districts are just as gerrymandered as the Congressional seats.

Which is why they need to focus on them for multiple cycles.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:19:51am

I really hope Obama gives Trump a stern talking to before the final turnover.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:19:57am

The tweet in question:

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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:22:09am

re: #242 allegro

Heh, can’t hurt me today Jeffrey. Even now my house is filled with the savory fragrance of chicken soup simmering on the stove. Nom.

That reminds me, I need to start the dough for the sammich buns. I’ll need quite a few…

Imgur

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:22:13am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:24:02am

re: #256 Timothy Watson

Because black people don’t know a thing about hate…

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:24:29am

1. Read and learn the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Know that our basic rights are inalienable.

2. Identify and follow many credible sources of news. Be very well informed and learn to discern truth from untruth.

3. Watch every word, decision and action of Trump and his administration extremely closely, like we have never done before in America.

4. Be very vocal in every forum available to us when we observe Trump’s violations of our rights and our democracy. Write, speak, act.

5. Support journalists, artists, academics, clergy and others who speak truth and who inform, inspire and unite us.

6. Build bridges with Americans from the other side of the traditional political spectrum and with members of diverse American communities.

7. Defend others who may be threatened by Trump even if they don’t look, think or believe like us. An attack on one is an attack on all.

8. Organize online and in person with other Americans who understand the danger Trump poses and who are also willing to speak up.

9. Hold members of Congress accountable for protecting our rights and democracy through elections and by making public demands of them now.
(I would add local community and state officials to this group too)

10. And finally, in the words of Abraham Lincoln, have “malice toward none, with charity for all” and never ever lose hope!

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:25:32am
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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:25:50am

I managed to bring myself to watch Meet The Chuck today. He tried hard (for him) to stand up to the Pence BS on Carrier, but ol’ slick still slid out of Chucks grasp. And then of course Chuck backed off.

Iframe

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:26:44am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

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My surprise, etc.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:26:58am

Off to brunch! Have a great day.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:35:08am

To be honest, Ana’s been better than some lefty commentators who want to give water to the economic anxieties bs.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:35:29am

Finally listening to the video now (couldn’t do it last night due to sleeping wife). I’d imagined that iconic Hammond organ solo on the original as rendered by strings before listening to it, and it’s every bit as gorgeous as I’d imagined it to be.

Brilliant song, and Neil sounds as good as the day the song was fresh. Thank you, Thanos.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:37:46am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

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McMullin is another one I respect for staying consistent.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:39:37am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

What could possibly go wrong? He’ll probably ask the militia whackos to help out too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:40:37am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

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Brilliant idea. Have city police departments which have a lot more crimes than smaller areas spend their resources and time hassling people on their immigration status.

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Jayleia  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:41:53am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

So, we have McMullin, Rick Wilson, and Ana…three of them…are there ANY other Republicans on the national stage that aren’t shit?

Yes, we have McMullin/Wilson/Ana’s audience, but 50% or more of their audience is us…

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:42:45am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hope Obama gives Trump a stern talking to before the final turnover.

Heh, I get the feeling that was already done to some degree. I would expect Trump to blow it all off. No one has ever told Trump what to do, and at 70 years of age, no one is going to now.

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CleverToad  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:44:31am

re: #154 William Lewis

So, snow, temps right around freezing and roads as slick as park grass covered in goose droppings… thrill.

Upding for that vivid metaphor ;P

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:45:13am

that place was gorgeous and so much talent on display, now all gone.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:45:28am

re: #270 Jayleia

So, we have McMullin, Rick Wilson, and Ana…three of them…are there ANY other Republicans on the national stage that aren’t shit?

Yes, we have McMullin/Wilson/Ana’s audience, but 50% or more of their audience is us…

Alas true. The people who should be listening to them listen to people like Hannity, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, and Jones.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:50:19am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

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Great advice. The hard part will be that so many people out there are counting on “checks and balances” to keep Trump from doing too much damage. How to get them to resist when they are needed will be a challenge, as it will be for me who are surrounded by a lot of conservatives, who are not the in tune variety. They voted for Trump because they think Clinton was bad, but don’t expect him to really do anything. Trying to talk to them will be a challenge.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:53:08am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

that place was gorgeous and so much talent on display, now all gone.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Damn…Tweet went away and now you have my curiosity.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:59:32am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:02:05am

This is your reminder that the enemy of your enemy might not be your friend.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:04:10am

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

This is your reminder that the enemy of your enemy might not be your friend.

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Yeah good point. Honestly, the way Garland was treated was horrible. But hey somehow Reagan stupidly picking Bork was equivalent even though many Republicans opposed Bork too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:04:44am

re: #276 ObserverArt

Damn…Tweet went away and now you have my curiosity.

It was four photos of The Ghost Ship interiors before the fire.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:07:08am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was four photos of The Ghost Ship interiors before the fire.

Thanks. I’ll do an image search.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:10:14am

re: #281 ObserverArt

Thanks. I’ll do an image search.

here’s another link:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:10:41am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Yeah good point. Honestly, the way Garland was treated was horrible. But hey somehow Reagan stupidly picking Bork was equivalent even though many Republicans opposed Bork too.

The important thing to remember about wingnuts bringing up Bork is that even the ones who bring it up don’t believe it’s in any way applicable. Their only motivation and excuse was because the President is a Ni-*BONG*, and because they could. If you look for any principle beyond power, you’re wasting your time. All of their justifications are simply to fig-leaf their sole principle - power.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:11:30am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth
😿

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:15:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:21:07am
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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:21:08am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

here’s another link:

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Reminds me of some of the homes, apartments, carriage houses, attics, basements, warehouses and even storefronts some of my friends and I have lived in, hung out in, played music in, produced art and discussed life, philosophy, politics and art in over my time in the Columbus arts community.

I certainly know those type of people that perished in that fire. May they all Rest In Peace. You brought beauty to an ugly world as artists.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:25:03am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Trump kleptocracy appalls, but does not really trouble me. The time they spend increasing their financial holdings is time they’re not spending on the ruination of the US.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:27:38am

I’m calling it here and now. Roof will never mutter a single word in court. Other than “yes Your Honor” & “I understand”

In a handwritten request, the 22-year-old Roof asks U.S. District Judge Richard Gergel to bring his defense team back on board for the guilt phase of his federal death penalty trial, which begins this week in Charleston.

Roof then says he wants to go back to representing himself for the penalty phase.

Roof’s former defense team expressed concern Friday that Roof may not present evidence that could sway a jury to spare his life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:27:39am

re: #287 ObserverArt

Much as I love what The Ghost Ship looked like before the fire, all I could feel while looking at the photos was anger.
Anger at the man who owned the warehouse and couldn’t be bothered to consider fire safety measures. There were no sprinklers, no smoke detectors, no clear exits (the makeshift stairwell to the second floor was built using pallets).
So much loss for no good reason.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:28:36am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:28:50am

re: #288 We’re Way Beyond Snark

The Trump kleptocracy appalls, but does not really trouble me. The time they spend increasing their financial holdings is time they’re not spending on the ruination of the US.

My concern is that this may be a false dichotomy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:29:26am

re: #292 Blind Frog Belly White

My concern is that this may be a false dichotomy.

Nor are either scenarios mutually exclusive.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:30:35am

re: #288 We’re Way Beyond Snark

The Trump kleptocracy appalls, but does not really trouble me. The time they spend increasing their financial holdings is time they’re not spending on the ruination of the US.

They’re likely to do both simultaneously.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:32:33am

re: #292 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #294 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Great minds run in the same gutter.

Something like that…

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Jayleia  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:33:16am

re: #294 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I would say they’ll ruin the world while they try to enrich themselves, without INTENDING to ruin the world…that would just be a side effect.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:36:13am

re: #296 Jayleia

I would say they’ll ruin the world while they try to enrich themselves, without INTENDING to ruin the world…that would just be a side effect.

Or a distraction - turn Americans against Americans, it’s easier to pick their pockets while they’re fighting.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:38:54am
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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:38:59am

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Jayleia  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:41:05am

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

They’re not that good at planning a con, they go for stupid pointless swindles. Like the one with Ivanka’s deal with a Japanese government-owned company…they could do much bigger things, and yet they do relatively piddly stuff like that.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:42:25am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Much as I love what The Ghost Ship looked like before the fire, all I could feel while looking at the photos was anger.
Anger at the man who owned the warehouse and couldn’t be bothered to consider fire safety measures. There were no sprinklers, no smoke detectors, no clear exits (the makeshift stairwell to the second floor was built using pallets).
So much loss for no good reason.

It reminds me of the Station Nightclub disaster. The found video footage has been used by organizations like the NFPA for both training and awareness of proper fire protection.

What saddens me is that horrible stuff like this has to happen first.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:42:49am

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nor are either scenarios mutually exclusive.

No, but making money on real estate is all Trump really cares about (and probably his offspring). Look to all the surrogates to be working on the “ruination” part.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:44:54am

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

Or a distraction - turn Americans against Americans, it’s easier to pick their pockets while they’re fighting.

The inherent problem is that they are the minority trying to impose tyranny on the majority. Such a tactic has the potential to backfire horribly on them.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:47:45am

re: #303 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The inherent problem is that they are the minority trying to impose tyranny on the majority. Such a tactic has the potential to backfire horribly on them.

Be vigilant. Never miss the opportunity to call them out on their bullshit. Even if it loses you friends. (Easy for me to say, I live in the bluest area of a bright-blue state.)

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:49:41am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was four photos of The Ghost Ship interiors before the fire.

Very creative, but at the same time a tragedy waiting to happen.

I’ve been thinking about that fire all weekend, and I’ve been flashing back to when I was a kid in bands with our own rehearsal spaces. We’d hang layers of carpeting, cardboard egg crates, blankets on the walls in the name of ‘soundproofing,’ and then run sketchy electrical wires over that to light up our equipment. And we all smoked, both cigarettes and weed, inside the room. And come winter, we’d have electrical space heaters to keep us warm, which were essentially heating elements in metal boxes that got ridiculously overheated and pulled so much electricity that they could have easily smoked the fuse box.

And most of the time, our landlords didn’t give a toss what we were doing with the rented space as long as the rent check got there on time every month.

Young people, sadly, see themselves as bulletproof. I reserve the right to say that, because I took part in the same type of behavior as the Ghost Ship kids did. I was just lucky enough not to have it go tragically sideways.

I feel bad for the people who died in the fire. But somehow, I feel even worse for those who survived, because they’ll have to carry that guilt and sadness with them for the rest of their lives.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:55:43am

re: #301 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It reminds me of the Station Nightclub disaster. The found video footage has been used by organizations like the NFPA for both training and awareness of proper fire protection.

What saddens me is that horrible stuff like this has to happen first.

I was involved with the Station Foundation for a number of years, and I met almost all of the survivors of that fire in the course of playing benefit shows and being involved in the ‘Phoenix Rising’ show that was broadcast on VH-1.

This is why I said I almost felt worse for the survivors than those who died. The people I met were nearly crushed by the realization that they were still here while most of their friends were not.

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ipsos  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:02:53pm

re: #198 jeffreyw

Hello from a fellow Brittany owner! Aren’t they awesome pups?

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:05:08pm

re: #300 Jayleia

They’re not that good at planning a con, they go for stupid pointless swindles. Like the one with Ivanka’s deal with a Japanese government-owned company…they could do much bigger things, and yet they do relatively piddly stuff like that.

Never leave a penny on the ground, or in a beggar’s hand.

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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:20:09pm

re: #307 ipsos

Hello from a fellow Brittany owner! Aren’t they awesome pups?

We’ve had them continuously for nearly 40 years except for a short time after the passing of Jack.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:29:09pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Much as I love what The Ghost Ship looked like before the fire, all I could feel while looking at the photos was anger.
Anger at the man who owned the warehouse and couldn’t be bothered to consider fire safety measures. There were no sprinklers, no smoke detectors, no clear exits (the makeshift stairwell to the second floor was built using pallets).
So much loss for no good reason.

I agree Sleuth. But one thing I will point out in my own experience is sometimes the building owner might not be completely aware of what is going on in the building. I knew of several instances of someone put in charge of watching some unoccupied structures for an absentee landlord renting them out without knowledge of the owner. And other such “arrangements.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:31:25pm

re: #310 ObserverArt

Reminds me of some of the homes, apartments, carriage houses, attics, basements, warehouses and even storefronts some of my friends and I have lived in, hung out in, played music in, produced art and discussed life, philosophy, politics and art in over my time in the Columbus arts community.

I certainly know those type of people that perished in that fire. May they all Rest In Peace. You brought beauty to an ugly world as artists.

I agree Sleuth. But one thing I will point out in my own experience is sometimes the building owner might not be completely aware of what is going on in the building. I knew of several instances of someone put in charge of watching some unoccupied structures for an absentee landlord renting them out without knowledge of the owner. And other such “arrangements.”

In this case, the owner did know what was going on in the building.

This article makes me ill:
abc7news.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:05:24pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

In this case, the owner did know what was going on in the building.

This article makes me ill:
abc7news.com

I’m late and it’s a dead thread, but just to be clear: he was the primary holder of the lease on the building, which was actually owned by a Vietnamese woman who has several other holdings in the Bay Area. It is unclear to me if she actually resides in the Bay Area or not; her daughter has apparently appeared on some of the local stations talking about this? (I haven’t seen too much directly on that.)

He apparently sub-leased to several artists and from what I am reading, the parties/concerts were also held to help pay the rent. He is also a complete piece of work. I’ll agree on the utter disgust towards him.


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