Neil Finn - One Step Ahead (Live With Strings, Auckland 2015)

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Yesterday’s post of a Neil Finn performance by LGF contributor Thanos was really popular, so here’s another excellent song from the same concert.

Neil Finn performing “One Step Ahead” at Auckland Town Hall, New Zealand, 18th July 2015.
Listen to RNZ National’s recording of the concert at http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/nat-music/audio/201779585/neil-finn-live-at-the-auckland-town-hall
Recorded and mixed by Andre Upston. Video by Kontent, directed by Simon Mark-Brown.
String arrangements by Victoria Kelly.
Percussion: Chris O’Connore.
Song originally on the Split Enz album, “Waiata”, aka “Corroborree”.
See over 200 videos and play all Neil’s albums in full at http://www.neilfinn.com

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:40:36am

From the bottom….

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Jayleia  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:42:48am

I did the dead thread thing. Go ME!

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:43:29am

re: #1 Dave In Austin

The rare opportunity to upding something more than once…

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:44:33am

Facebook Video

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Mattand  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:48:44am

Got a dump-and-run question here, apologies: what does Jill Stein get out of forcing these recounts? IIRC, didn’t she say at one point if she didn’t win, she preferred Trump?

My Google-fu has been pitiful on this one. TIA for any help.

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Mattand  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:49:53am

Also, thanks to these last two posts, I’ve got Split Enz “I Got You” ear worming right to my cerebral cortex.

There are much worse songs to be trapped in a loop in you skull.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:53:50am
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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:55:59am
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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:56:21am

re: #5 Mattand

Got a dump-and-run question here, apologies: what does Jill Stein get out of forcing these recounts? IIRC, didn’t she say at one point if she didn’t win, she preferred Trump?

My Google-fu has been pitiful on this one. TIA for any help.

She’s using the Pyrrhic recounts as a money raiser for the Green Party, it also keeps them & her in the news longer.

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:57:36am

re: #9 Thanos

She’s using the Pyrrhic recounts as a money raiser for the Green Party, it also keeps them & her in the news longer.

Don’t forget all the names and emails she gets for future campaigns.

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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:57:58am

re: #6 Mattand

Split Enz - History Never Repeats

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:59:22am

Check this absolutely EPIC Rant. Share it with everyone.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 11:59:22am

re: #10 calochortus

Don’t forget all the names and emails she gets for future campaigns.

…and she may be having second thoughts about the “all the same” theory, even if she’d never say it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:00:00pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:00:25pm

re: #4 Dave In Austin

This is a powder keg ready to go off. We’re looking at a rerun of Kent State and the societal meltdown from that all over again.

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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:04:10pm

Liam also has a channel for those who might want to sub:

youtube.com

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:11:03pm

re: #11 Thanos

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God I love this song (and band)!

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:14:11pm

re: #5 Mattand

Got a dump-and-run question here, apologies: what does Jill Stein get out of forcing these recounts? IIRC, didn’t she say at one point if she didn’t win, she preferred Trump?

My Google-fu has been pitiful on this one. TIA for any help.

In 2000, the Libertarian and Green Parties challenged the vote in Ohio, causing a recount, which uncovered two state elections officials that went to jail for trying to “affect” the recount.

After numerous statisticians released a paper stating it seemed that the stated vote count was different than what was recorded in the three states, she launched the recount.

All three GOP states tried various methods to block her recount, which is her right to ask for. In Wisconsin, they claimed she had no standing (she does, she is a candidate). In Michigan, the claim was it could not be conducted before the Electoral College meets, and they took her to court. Her claim in court was if the state could not conduct a proper recount within the time allotted then there is a fact a problem with Michigan’s electoral system.

In Pennsylvania, the people within the state called for a recount, as is permitted under Pennsylvania law. When the state tried to stall, she took the state to court in state court. The Trump team demanded a ten million dollar bond from the Stein campaign, the court ordered her campaign to put up one million dollars.

Since it is not the Stein campaign (directly) calling for the recount, but voters in Pennsylvania, Stein dropped the case in state court and moved to Federal court, arguing that individual voters don’t have the kind of money the state is demanding, that it is their absolute right under Pennsylvania law to request a recount, and that their Constitutional rights were being violated by the Pennsylvania government.

Pennsylvania and Michigan are both claiming Dr. Stein is stalling the count, when in fact it is those state governments stalling the counting.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:17:20pm

re: #5 Mattand

Got a dump-and-run question here, apologies: what does Jill Stein get out of forcing these recounts? IIRC, didn’t she say at one point if she didn’t win, she preferred Trump?

My Google-fu has been pitiful on this one. TIA for any help.

She got to fleece a lot of suckers!

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:20:31pm

Victoria Kelly did a shit-hot job on those strings arrangements, didn’t she?

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:20:39pm

re: #9 Thanos

She’s using the Pyrrhic recounts as a money raiser for the Green Party, it also keeps them & her in the news longer.

The Green Party says it will not keep any extra money, it will be donated to charitable causes if there is any left.

As for keeping her in the news, that worked for Donald Trump. Does the Green Party have to play by different rules than the Republican Party? Moreover, she is not getting in the news for outrageous Twitter statements and bald-faced lies; she is getting in the news for exercising her rights.

In the case of Pennsylvania, it is state voters in each precinct applying for a recount, which the Green Party supports, and they are exercising their rights.

I’m all for getting in the news for exercising your rights rather than for lying to the media and the media lapping it up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:27:42pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:28:51pm

Apparently #SewerRatBarbie is now a thing.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:30:31pm

Moreover, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has weighed in on the issue of computer hacking of the Democratic Party on the side of the Democrats. He is concerned for the security of the vote regardless of whether alleged cheating helped the GOP or not (this has not made him a real fan to Donald Trump or other Republicans).

Donald Trump and Reince Preibus have both claimed there was massive voter fraud without evidence. (They also conveniently sidestep the issue that voter fraud could benefit the Republicans, the GOP assumption is that fraud must benefit Democrats even though those caught in illegal voting schemes this year were all Republicans).

The only way to determine if there was voter fraud is to conduct hand recounts (the claim of both the statisticians and the Green Party). If there is evidence of fraud, surely the GOP would want that? Especially if that fraud helped the Democrats?

All of the whining is coming from the GOP, which is painting a narrative that Dr. Stein is a sore loser and wasting state funds (a: no, b: her donors are paying for it so also no).

If the recounts show that Mr. Trump won in those states by pretty much the margins posted, that would strengthen the GOP’s claim that he won. So why is it the GOP that’s doing all the whining here? And why are those who are not GOPers buying the GOP narrative without thinking about what the GOP is saying?

As for the donors, it’s their money. They did not have to donate to Dr. Stein’s recount effort. Had they not, then Dr. Stein likely could not have launched it at all. Is the claim here that someone cannot donate their own money where they wish?

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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:30:54pm

Here’s another noteworthy compilation if you have Pink Floyd fans to shop for xmas for:

itunes.apple.com

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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:35:22pm

The way that the fringes win is by marginalizing our institutions to minimize their effectiveness. There are many ways to do this, including making people doubt that elections are fair and not rigged. Donald is doing it his way, and Jill is doing it hers. Peas in a pod.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:36:10pm

This is an absolute must to include in the Split Enz retrospective.

Split Enz: Pioneer/Six Months In A Leaky Boat

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:37:56pm

The Neil Finn piece presented here was very good, though I have to say I liked yesterday’s better. (It cheered my wife up; she jumped on to YouTube and hunted down and played it about half-a-dozen times.)

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:42:04pm

re: #26 Thanos

The way that the fringes win is by marginalizing our institutions to minimize their effectiveness. There are many ways to do this, including making people doubt that elections are fair and not rigged. Donald is doing it his way, and Jill is doing it hers. Peas in a pod.

It is Dr. Stein’s absolute right to request a recount if she is paying for it. It is the Pennsylvania voters absolute right under state law to do the same.

If the recount is largely the same as the original count, then how does this undermine the system? The same people who counted it the first time are counting it again (albeit with lawyers watching as well).

Moreover, the Clinton campaign has also lent lawyers to the recount effort - are you suggesting that Hillary Clinton is trying to undermine confidence in the vote?

Again, the only people whining is the GOP. They are the ones banging the “voter fraud” drum, not the Greens or Democrats. The Greens say they want to verify the integrity of the vote (a famous GOP politician once said “trust but verify” - now one of their saints). If the vote is in fact secure, then the Greens have undermined nothing. If it is substantially different than what was originally reported, do you want to ignore that?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:43:17pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

Buoy that with the realization that NBC is owned by Comcast.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:43:29pm
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EmmaAnne  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:44:03pm

re: #12 Dave In Austin

Check this absolutely EPIC Rant. Share it with everyone.

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#RESIST!

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:44:26pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Followed by CNN ignoring Brian Stelter and going back to repeating same.

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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:46:10pm

re: #28 Anymouse

I’m also resurrecting some old anthems to keep me going… there’s this one from All American Rejects, which is not nearly as inspirational — indeed it’s even grim… does keep you moving. I’ll be playing it for four years:

The All-American Rejects - Move Along

I’ll also be dedicating this to my wingnut friends who voted for Trump at every single opportunity:

The Who - Won’t Get Fooled Again

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:46:19pm

re: #21 Anymouse

The Green Party says it will not keep any extra money, it will be donated to charitable causes if there is any left.

As for keeping her in the news, that worked for Donald Trump. Does the Green Party have to play by different rules than the Republican Party? Moreover, she is not getting in the news for outrageous Twitter statements and bald-faced lies; she is getting in the news for exercising her rights.

In the case of Pennsylvania, it is state voters in each precinct applying for a recount, which the Green Party supports, and they are exercising their rights.

I’m all for getting in the news for exercising your rights rather than for lying to the media and the media lapping it up.

Here, here!

There, there!

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Mattand  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:46:32pm

re: #18 Anymouse

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Some really strong points there.

I guess I’m just having a hard time believing that Stein is doing this for reasons other than she thinks she still has a shot at the White House.

Again, I thought she was in the “Vote Trump and burn it all down, fuck the people who this monster will hurt” camp.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:46:44pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:48:13pm

Brand new anthem:

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Stand Up / Stand N Rock #NoDAPL (Official Video)

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:49:07pm

re: #12 Dave In Austin

Check this absolutely EPIC Rant. Share it with everyone.

WOW!

(I went on an E-mail rant yesterday, but it was nowhere near as direct, and Mr. Trump is not on my E-mail list. My rant essentially went along the lines of anyone who voted for the Orange Fascist cannot be my friend. I am not friends with fascist apologists and supporters. - No one in my family was stupid enough to vote for him; I talked the only one considering it out of that this summer, and she threw in with Mrs. Clinton - even put up a yard sign for her in Michigan.)

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:50:07pm
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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:50:22pm

re: #29 Anymouse

Sure it’s her right, she should just go exercise it, it’s not going to change a damned thing but every bit of this election theater does shore up Trump’s charges, it just diminishes average voter’s faith in our systems.

Jill and Donald both know that if only the fringes vote and only the fringers show up at the meetings then that’s how they win, and they are only exercising their rights. I get it, I’m not stopping Jill, I’m just criticizing.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:51:02pm

re: #36 Mattand

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Some really strong points there.

I guess I’m just having a hard time believing that Stein is doing this for reasons other than she thinks she still has a shot at the White House.

Again, I thought she was in the “Vote Trump and burn it all down, fuck the people who this monster will hurt” camp.

That was Susan Sarandon.

The Greens went down the recount road before, with the Libertarians, as I noted above, and shook out two fraudsters in Ohio (unsurprisingly, Republican election officials).

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Mattand  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:53:01pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I want to believe this person is being sarcastic, but the egg avatar says otherwise.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 12:56:48pm

re: #41 Thanos

Sure it’s her right, she should just go exercise it, it’s not going to change a damned thing but every bit of this election theater does shore up Trump’s charges, it just diminishes average voter’s faith in our systems.

Jill and Donald both know that if only the fringes vote and only the fringers show up at the meetings then that’s how they win, and they are only exercising their rights. I get it, I’m not stopping Jill, I’m just criticizing.

And though I did not send her any money, I am supporting. I guess we’ll have to “agree to disagree” here (I hate that phrase).

Drilled into us repeatedly in the Navy was the phrase “if you do not use your benefits you will lose them.” In my opinion the same applies to your rights.

I only see two outcomes from a recount:
a) Recount largely confirms the original count. System strengthened because proof was provided it works as it should.
b) Recount shows significant errors in the counting. System strengthened because proof exists it is not working right so it can be fixed.

One of the issues in the Wisconsin recount is that Wisconsin is still using voting machines banned by other states because of the ease of manipulation of those machines.

One of the issues in Michigan (which uses optical scanners) is that many ballots were returned that showed straight Democratic tickets with no vote for President. Software and hardware engineers have weighed in on the issue of optical scanners and noted that they can miss marks on documents if they do not go through absolutely correctly. A hand recount in Michigan would verify the scanners are working as they should.

Trust, but verify. - Ronald Reagan.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:01:35pm

Just turned on MSNBC. Looks like the N. Dakota pipeline is off the reservation, and will not cross the Missouri River

The good guys won!!

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:01:35pm

re: #41 Thanos

Sure it’s her right, she should just go exercise it, it’s not going to change a damned thing but every bit of this election theater does shore up Trump’s charges, it just diminishes average voter’s faith in our systems.

Jill and Donald both know that if only the fringes vote and only the fringers show up at the meetings then that’s how they win, and they are only exercising their rights. I get it, I’m not stopping Jill, I’m just criticizing.

And let’s not forget for a minute that Jill has been a guest of Trump’s BFF Putin.

I trust her about as far as I could throw her.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:06:05pm

Wow, here we go. This is the pizza place that’s the focus of the crazy right #PizzaGate fake story.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:06:37pm

US election recount: Greens change tactics in Pennsylvania bid

The US Green Party led by Jill Stein has changed its strategy in seeking a state-wide recount in Pennsylvania.

The campaign says it will go to the federal courts, hours after dropping an appeal in a Pennsylvania state court.

The party had earlier said voters could not afford the $1m (£785,000) bond ordered by the state court.

My bold because I was unaware that the VOTERS were paying the $1m; that’s what she is supposedly raising money for (she has raised a little over $7m according to her fundraiser page right now).

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:07:16pm

re: #45 Dave In Austin

Just turned on MSNBC. Looks like the N. Dakota pipeline is off the reservation, and will not cross the Missouri River

The good guys won!!

That’s good if true. I guess 2000 veterans were going to be trouble.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:07:19pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Wow, here we go. This is the pizza place that’s the focus of the crazy right #PizzaGate fake story.

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What the hell is going on there to earn such a huge police presence?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:08:23pm

re: #50 makeitstop

What the hell is going on there to earn such a huge police presence?

man with a gun.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:09:05pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

man with a gun.

Fuck.

Thanks, Trump.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:09:13pm

re: #50 makeitstop

What the hell is going on there to earn such a huge police presence?

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:09:38pm

re: #45 Dave In Austin

Just turned on MSNBC. Looks like the N. Dakota pipeline is off the reservation, and will not cross the Missouri River

The good guys won!!

Really? Kewl!

re: #46 makeitstop

And let’s not forget for a minute that Jill has been a guest of Trump’s BFF Putin.

I trust her about as far as I could throw her.

Well, she isn’t counting the votes.

The only recount I am intimately familiar with is my village board recount in 2014, where I beat the gun-shop owning Republican candidate by four votes for my reëlection.

He’s a nice enough fellow, but had trouble believing the resident leftie in this village could have pulled that off, and he said so to my wife when she was in his shop on library business.

I went over to his shop, where he told me he wanted to launch a recount of the village board vote but did not know how to do it. I told him I would get him that information as quickly as I could (he has no Internet service like everyone else in town, and the county was not particularly helpful).

My wife and I dug around on the Internet, called the state attorney, dug up all the information for him (including the necessary forms and filing fee requirements). He filed, the vote came back that I beat him by four votes (no difference).

He still isn’t a big fan of my politics, but his opinion of my integrity shot up, as I helped him get the information he needed to launch a recount even though I won the election.

(He is now on our village board; the board appointed him to fill a seat that went vacant when a board member moved away.)

He still hates my moustache and long hair, but we get along a lot better than we used to.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:09:49pm

In other news, looking for more confirmation on this, but:

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:10:28pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

US election recount: Greens change tactics in Pennsylvania bid

My bold because I was unaware that the VOTERS were paying the $1m; that’s what she is supposedly raising money for (she has raised a little over $7m according to her fundraiser page right now).

In Pennsylvania, the money she raised was for the lawyers and court filing fees. The voters aren’t paying for that.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:11:36pm

re: #26 Thanos

The way that the fringes win is by marginalizing our institutions to minimize their effectiveness. There are many ways to do this, including making people doubt that elections are fair and not rigged. Donald is doing it his way, and Jill is doing it hers. Peas in a pod.

With the difference that the recount will produce hard evidence for or against, but Donald is just running his mouth. (I think only hard-core Donald supporters would take his word for anything.)

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:11:55pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:13:40pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

The only information that I can add/give is that if the difference between the winner and the loser is close (i.e.: 10,000 votes in the mayor’s race here in Philly) an automatic recount is done. In this case I too was not aware that the Green Party or the voters has to pay. I always thought the the automatic recount was at tax payer expense.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:13:52pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:15:37pm

re: #55 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In other news, looking for more confirmation on this, but:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:15:59pm

re: #56 Anymouse

In Pennsylvania, the money she raised was for the lawyers and court filing fees. The voters aren’t paying for that.

Her fundraising page says otherwise. It specifically says filing fees for a recount in Pennsylvania.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:16:45pm

re: #62 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:16:55pm

re: #36 Mattand

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Some really strong points there.

I guess I’m just having a hard time believing that Stein is doing this for reasons other than she thinks she still has a shot at the White House.

Again, I thought she was in the “Vote Trump and burn it all down, fuck the people who this monster will hurt” camp.

I really don’t care what her motives are (she has the right), and didn’t much care about the recount until all the Rethuglicans in the room started squawking. Now I’m all for it.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:18:15pm

Here we go.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:18:47pm

I should be going out and doing a 5 mile run today but my cough sounds like I’m tossing rocks around in my chest. Which, to be fair, is how it’s sounded for a while, but it’s a little more active today so I will just take some meds and hope that it’s fine so I can run 12 miles tomorrow.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:19:19pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

Her fundraising page says otherwise. It specifically says filing fees for a recount in Pennsylvania.

When she originally put the page up, it was to raise money for filing fees (and any associated legal fees).

The state stalled until the time passed where she could legally launch a recount.

However, individuals in each precinct under Pennsylvania law can also ask for recounts (I am not sure how many it takes), and they have more time under the law.

Since the recount petitions went in to the state, the state tried to slap the giant fee (though ten times less than what Donald Trump asked for). The state is continuing to stall, hence the Federal court case.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:22:21pm

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:22:50pm

re: #67 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I should be going out and doing a 5 mile run today but my cough sounds like I’m tossing rocks around in my chest. Which, to be fair, is how it’s sounded for a while, but it’s a little more active today so I will just take some meds and hope that it’s fine so I can run 12 miles tomorrow.

Don’t do what Hillary Clinton did and let pneumonia settle in. Stay healthy for us, Ms. Klys.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:22:53pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Here we go.

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Jesus.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:24:32pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Here we go.

Mr. Johnson, where did this Pizzagate nonsense originate? I understand the basic (bs) claim, but who started it? Is this an Alex Jones op, or just some wingnut on Twitter or Facebook that is just making crap up?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:24:47pm

re: #70 Anymouse

Don’t do what Hillary Clinton did and let pneumonia settle in. Stay healthy for us, Ms. Klys.

I actually went to the doctor about this on Tuesday, since the cough has been since the Japan trip. I have the list of things to watch for as a sign that it’s more problematic, but it’s likely just post-nasal drip getting into my lungs and making life difficult. I have no symptoms other than the cough and the occasional morning sore throat/slightly stuffy nose, so she’s not too worried.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:25:47pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Take is easy. And I hope you feel better tomorrow.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:25:48pm

re: #26 Thanos

The way that the fringes win is by marginalizing our institutions to minimize their effectiveness. There are many ways to do this, including making people doubt that elections are fair and not rigged. Donald is doing it his way, and Jill is doing it hers. Peas in a pod.

Donald is claiming the election had millions if illegal votes. Not doing a recount to prove it’s false is what is really going to cause the people to doubt the election and allows Republicans to try to enact legislation to “fix” it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:27:11pm

Army Corps Denies Easement and Blocks the Dakota Access Pipeline

The Army Corps of Engineers has denied the easement needed to complete the Dakota Access Pipeline, according Colonel Henderson, who first notified Veterans for Standing Rock co-organizer Michael A. Wood Jr.

More than 3,000 veterans had converged at the Standing Rock camp to support the Sioux in their ongoing opposition to the building of a $3.7 billion pipeline that would cross through disputed land managed by the Army Corps of Engineers.

“This is history,” Wood said, upon learning the news.

Veterans from all branches of the United States Armed Forces arrived on 4 December 2016 by way of chartered buses, cars and planes to offer their support to the tribe in its months-long demonstration to protect its drinking water and sacred sites. The pipeline would have crossed land the tribe says the project violates a treaty that grants them the land and that they have opposed the project from the beginning.

The event, organized by veterans Michael A. Wood, Jr. and Wes Clark Jr., raised more than $1 million dollars after just two weeks, citing desire to protect the Sioux and demonstrators from violence.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:27:37pm

re: #72 Anymouse

Mr. Johnson, where did this Pizzagate nonsense originate? I understand the basic (bs) claim, but who started it? Is this an Alex Jones op, or just some wingnut on Twitter or Facebook that is just making crap up?

Infowars.

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blueraven  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:27:43pm

re: #72 Anymouse

Mr. Johnson, where did this Pizzagate nonsense originate? I understand the basic (bs) claim, but who started it? Is this an Alex Jones op, or just some wingnut on Twitter or Facebook that is just making crap up?

wikileaks - email hack of John Podesta
RW BS code words

snopes.com

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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:28:21pm

re: #75 Belafon

Donald is claiming the election had millions if illegal votes. Not doing a recount to prove it’s false is what is really going to cause the people to doubt the election and allows Republicans to try to enact legislation to “fix” it.

I doubt that Jill’s intention is to shore up faith in the power of individual votes.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:28:36pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Here we go.

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There needs to be a class action lawsuit against Twitter for enabling these murderous loons.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:31:03pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I actually went to the doctor about this on Tuesday, since the cough has been since the Japan trip. I have the list of things to watch for as a sign that it’s more problematic, but it’s likely just post-nasal drip getting into my lungs and making life difficult. I have no symptoms other than the cough and the occasional morning sore throat/slightly stuffy nose, so she’s not too worried.

Did the doctor check your ears? My awful cough turned out to be secondary to an ear infection after an 11-hour plane ride.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:33:02pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:33:30pm

I’m in lurking mode working on gluing and clamping some broken pieces of trim in my dining room rehab project.

Now that the Army Corp of Engineers has made their decisions I await the artful and reasoned response VIA Twitter from The President Donald.

/ … I have a funny feeling about this…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:34:30pm

re: #84 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Did the doctor check your ears? My awful cough turned out to be secondary to an ear infection after an 11-hour plane ride.

Yep. All was clear. Aside from this cough, I am pretty much the picture of health. (I’ve been keeping up with my training schedule fine, this is probably at least somewhat justification for being lazy on a Sunday morning because lazy.)

I will actually stay on top of the cough meds and anti-allergy stuff for the next few days and see if that makes a difference.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:35:33pm

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DuckDharma  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:35:56pm

re: #55 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am honestly torn on this because to end any further confrontation and violence at this point, it looks like this is necessary. On the other hand, having read the judges order denying an injunction in Sept, the Standing Rock utterly failed to make their case for any “sacred sites” through which the pipeline actually goes through, this on top of their council dropping out of many planned attempts by the company to meet and discuss the issue over the last 2 years as they have done with other tribes which led to important changes along the route. If anyone has yet to read the Judge’s opinion, it contains the background on the controversy and details that haven’t been covered very well since the decision was announced, especially after the water canons came out, when to many it might seem besides the point, but I’m not convinced this was a case of an evil energy corp simply and carelessly defiling Native American land.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:36:46pm

Well, I don’t know if this is true, but it is an interesting observation.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:37:30pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

And this is why I support gun control legislation. These assholes shouldn’t be allowed to have assault rifles to harass innocent people.

Careful. About half the crazies in that thread are yelling about using the correct term for the weapon (“Not a fucking assault rifle; there’s no such thing!”).

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:39:28pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Because I’m totally going to believe someone sporting a Pepe the Frog avatar. Talk about torpedoing your own credibility.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:39:51pm

re: #90 DuckDharma

I’ll admit I really haven’t followed this case at all. My comments should be read more as pulling in some breaking news tweets and less as a statement of my position on the case.

I’ll have to read the judge’s opinion at some point.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:40:03pm

re: #92 Barefoot Grin

Careful. About half the crazies in that thread are yelling about using the correct term for the weapon (“Not a fucking assault rifle; there’s no such thing!”).

God i hate that pedantic shit.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:40:15pm

re: #92 Barefoot Grin

Careful. About half the crazies in that thread are yelling about using the correct term for the weapon (“Not a fucking assault rifle; there’s no such thing!”).

Let them yell. The term has been around for seventy-five years or more.

An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles were first used during World War II. Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept after World War II, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world’s armies, replacing semi-automatic rifles, battle rifles and sub-machine guns in most roles. Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.

The term assault rifle is generally attributed to Adolf Hitler, who for propaganda purposes used the German word “Sturmgewehr” (which translates to “storm rifle” or “assault rifle”), as the new name for the MP43, subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44 or StG 44. Although, other sources dispute that Hitler had much to do with coining the new name besides signing the production order. The StG 44 is generally considered the first selective fire military rifle to popularize the assault rifle concept. Today, the term assault rifle is used to define firearms sharing the same basic characteristics as the StG 44.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:40:30pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

God i hate that pedantic shit.

RIFLES DON’T ASSAULT PEOPLE YOU IGNORAMUS!!!!!

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allegro  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:41:17pm

re: #91 Anymouse

Well, I don’t know if this is true, but it is an interesting observation.

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It was my first thought. The protesters were getting nowhere but in a world of physical abuse and hurt until a bunch of white guys got in on it then suddenly, miraculously the whole thing gets turned around. While I’m glad it has resulted in this decision the why of it has my blood heated. So sick of this shit.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:41:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:42:00pm

re: #97 thedopefishlives

RIFLES DON’T ASSAULT PEOPLE YOU IGNORAMUS!!!!!

it’s just so annoying. Okay, I’ll admit that I don’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of guns but I don’t think you need that to know that people having those guns to menace people isn’t okay. But speaking of this Pizza place, I may give them a visit next time I’m in D.C.

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:42:04pm

re: #92 Barefoot Grin

Careful. About half the crazies in that thread are yelling about using the correct term for the weapon (“Not a fucking assault rifle; there’s no such thing!”).

Oh yah? Then what is this:

YELLOW BUG-A-SALT 2.0

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:42:35pm

re: #98 allegro

It was my first thought. The protesters were getting nowhere but in a world of physical abuse and hurt until a bunch of white guys got in on it then suddenly, miraculously the whole thing gets turned around. While I’m glad it has resulted in this decision the why of it has my blood heated. So sick of this shit.

Amen.

But whatever works.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:42:59pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

God i hate that pedantic shit.

See also: “Pro-life.” Try to get someone who describes themselves that way to support childhood education and welfare, or oppose the death penalty.

Whether adopting a false descriptor (pro-life) or denying a true one (assault rifle), both are propaganda techniques to control a narrative toward your point of view.

See also “make America great again” (implying it is not great now).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:43:27pm

And I am glad DF isn’t here anymore to gunsplain to me on this.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:44:54pm

re: #96 Anymouse

Let them yell. The term has been around for seventy-five years or more.

An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles were first used during World War II. Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept after World War II, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world’s armies, replacing semi-automatic rifles, battle rifles and sub-machine guns in most roles. Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.

The term assault rifle is generally attributed to Adolf Hitler, who for propaganda purposes used the German word “Sturmgewehr” (which translates to “storm rifle” or “assault rifle”), as the new name for the MP43, subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44 or StG 44. Although, other sources dispute that Hitler had much to do with coining the new name besides signing the production order. The StG 44 is generally considered the first selective fire military rifle to popularize the assault rifle concept. Today, the term assault rifle is used to define firearms sharing the same basic characteristics as the StG 44.

Interesting stuff. Apparently Hitler actually did have encyclopedic knowledge of weaponry as he would memorize all manner of detail to BS his generals into thinking he had credibility to make informed decisions on other aspects of war.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:45:04pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

And I am glad DF isn’t here anymore to gunsplain to me on this.

I own a gun (a shotgun), but Mr. Falcon seemed awfully -ah- defensive about them during the short time we were both here.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:45:09pm
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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:45:39pm

re: #105 Barefoot Grin

Interesting stuff. Apparently Hitler actually did have encyclopedic knowledge of weaponry as he would memorize all manner of detail to BS his generals into thinking he had credibility to make informed decisions on other aspects of war.

So Mr. Trump can’t be Hitler, because he can’t even memorise what he said in his previous sentence. /s

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:45:44pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

I’m in lurking mode working on gluing and clamping some broken pieces of trim in my dining room rehab project.

Now that the Army Corp of Engineers has made their decisions I await the artful and reasoned response VIA Twitter from The President Donald.

/ … I have a funny feeling about this…

Trump’s meltdown will be utterly predictable and totally offensive to anyone who’s not an old, angry male WASP.

I’m moreso interested in President Obama’s response. If he had been meaning to stop this but legally couldn’t, now he should have sufficient cover to do so. Remember that he did extend the Alaskan drilling ban for five years about three weeks ago.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:46:08pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

it’s just so annoying. Okay, I’ll admit that I don’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of guns but I don’t think you need that to know that people having those guns to menace people isn’t okay. But speaking of this Pizza place, I may give them a visit next time I’m in D.C.

I was having a conversation with Mrs. Fish last night about guns. Now, understand, I have two young toddlers, 5 and 3 years old. We both have no qualms about owning firearms, provided we take exceptional precautions to keep them secured when not in use. I had the realization, and I informed her as much, that I don’t feel the need to keep a gun in order to use it to defend myself. Mrs. Fish and I are both trained in basic hand-to-hand combat, and I have no problem with keeping whatever guns I may own on complete lockdown, because I won’t ever feel like I simply must get ahold of one in such short notice that the additional security causes an unacceptable delay. It’s just a non-issue for me, and so we both feel that it’s less of a risk for us to own compared to those who want to own one purely for the purpose of shooting a person with it (even if that be in self-defense).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:46:15pm

re: #106 Anymouse

I own a gun (a shotgun), but Mr. Falcon seemed awfully -ah- defensive about them during the short time we were both here.

He’s not even a gun owner owner as I recall. Lots of Lizards own guns but DF is the only Lizard I known to take the NRA line on guns.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:46:30pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

And I am glad DF isn’t here anymore to gunsplain to me on this.

I wish Dark_Falcon would drop in and explain The President Donald.

That would be interesting. I have faith in him, he could do it.

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blueraven  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:47:33pm

re: #99 Dave In Austin

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I despise kelleyanne with the heat of a thousand suns, but this meme is not helpful.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:47:48pm

re: #110 thedopefishlives

I was having a conversation with Mrs. Fish last night about guns. Now, understand, I have two young toddlers, 5 and 3 years old. We both have no qualms about owning firearms, provided we take exceptional precautions to keep them secured when not in use. I had the realization, and I informed her as much, that I don’t feel the need to keep a gun in order to use it to defend myself. Mrs. Fish and I are both trained in basic hand-to-hand combat, and I have no problem with keeping whatever guns I may own on complete lockdown, because I won’t ever feel like I simply must get ahold of one in such short notice that the additional security causes an unacceptable delay. It’s just a non-issue for me, and so we both feel that it’s less of a risk for us to own compared to those who want to own one purely for the purpose of shooting a person with it (even if that be in self-defense).

You and your wife are responsible. Unfortunately a lot aren’t.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:47:58pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

And I am glad DF isn’t here anymore to gunsplain to me on this.

Speaking of whom, I assumed he would come back to gloat after the Drumpf victory. I don’t want him to feel unwelcome here; no doubt there will still be some ruffled scales, but I hope he finds the courage to come back and contribute.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:48:18pm

re: #112 ObserverArt

I wish Dark_Falcon would drop in and explain The President Donald.

That would be interesting. I have faith in him, he could do it.

Oh he’d be BBL before you could say Trump.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:48:24pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Oh goody, another dumbfuck Gab Nutzi.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:48:43pm
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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:49:33pm
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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:50:00pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Your BLOCKED!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:50:30pm

re: #119 Anymouse

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Flynn is a moronic hothead who doesn’t belong anywhere near power again.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:50:47pm

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Your BLOCKED!!!

They can preëmptively block me since I am not on Twitter. /s

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:51:17pm

re: #90 DuckDharma

I am honestly torn on this because to end any further confrontation and violence at this point, it looks like this is necessary. On the other hand, having read the judges order denying an injunction in Sept, the Standing Rock utterly failed to make their case for any “sacred sites” through which the pipeline actually goes through, this on top of their council dropping out of many planned attempts by the company to meet and discuss the issue over the last 2 years as they have done with other tribes which led to important changes along the route. If anyone has yet to read the Judge’s opinion, it contains the background on the controversy and details that haven’t been covered very well since the decision was announced, especially after the water canons came out, when to many it might seem besides the point, but I’m not convinced this was a case of an evil energy corp simply and carelessly defiling Native American land. [Embedded content]

That order denies a preliminary injunction for not having shown specific sites that would be damaged. Today’s action seems to be the Army Corp of Engineers saying there needs to be more search for another route that doesn’t go under the lake they made.

But, on Sunday? That seems odd.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:51:54pm

I’d like to buy both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Wright a beer or twelve.

Sanity in an insane world.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:52:49pm

re: #98 allegro

It was my first thought. The protesters were getting nowhere but in a world of physical abuse and hurt until a bunch of white guys got in on it then suddenly, miraculously the whole thing gets turned around. While I’m glad it has resulted in this decision the why of it has my blood heated. So sick of this shit.

The prospect of state LEOs opening fire on army veterans would have been a massive disaster beyond all comprehension.

That the state LEOs mistreated the First Nations like abused dogs is something that can never be ignored. Every single one of these inhumane goons needs to be thrown out on their heels all the way up to their crooked governor. Every. Single. One.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:56:35pm

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Trump is everything they’ve accused Obama of being- narcissistic, vicious to his enemies, ignorant, and got to where he got without any skill of his own.

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Interesting Times  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:58:02pm

re: #72 Anymouse

Mr. Johnson, where did this Pizzagate nonsense originate? I understand the basic (bs) claim, but who started it? Is this an Alex Jones op, or just some wingnut on Twitter or Facebook that is just making crap up?

The BBC also has an excellent rundown of the whole sorry mess:

The saga of ‘Pizzagate’: The fake story that shows how conspiracy theories spread

Users of 4chan, a message board known for free speech, extreme content and trollish behaviour, began posting speculation and supposed connections gleaned from internet searches. They trawled Alefantis’ Instagram feed for pictures of children and the modern art which lines his restaurant’s walls, and dreamt up a paedophile sex ring involving prominent politicians and political donors.

You really have to read the whole thing…perhaps several times to fully absorb just how crazy and scary it is.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:58:31pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

That order denies a preliminary injunction for not having shown specific sites that would be damaged. Today’s action seems to be the Army Corp of Engineers saying there needs to be more search for another route that doesn’t go under the lake they made.

But, on Sunday? That seems odd.

The army veteran presence, plus a significant backlash against Wells Fargo on social media (remember that WF already got a lot of heat for their business practices not that long ago, so they can’t afford another major PR hit being tied to this) more than likely played a role.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 1:58:48pm

re: #125 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The prospect of state LEOs opening fire on army veterans would have been a massive disaster beyond all comprehension.

That the state LEOs mistreated the First Nations like abused dogs is something that can never be ignored. Every single one of these inhumane goons needs to be thrown out on their heels all the way up to their crooked governor. Every. Single. One.

And those vets who showed up were upholding the ideal of supporting the protesters’ rights (along with those of us who supported them from far away with support or items or cash)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:00:58pm

In unrelated news, I picked out some gift boxes from Penzey’s for my MIL for Christmas. I need to push a few more buttons but the Christmas shopping for that side is pretty much complete.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:02:37pm

re: #113 blueraven

I despise kelleyanne with the heat of a thousand suns, but this meme is not helpful.

Her beliefs make her an ugly person from the inside out.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:02:48pm

re: #128 Interesting Times

Gaa. Too bad today’s wingnut at the pizza parlour can’t be tied to provocation by 4chan - incitement to violence might be a way to get that swill shut.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:03:30pm

re: #125 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The prospect of state LEOs opening fire on army veterans would have been a massive disaster beyond all comprehension.

That the state LEOs mistreated the First Nations like this is something that can never be ignored. Every single one of these goons needs to be thrown out on their heels all the way up to their crooked governor. Every. Single. One.

I’m proud of those veterans for doing the right thing. I should have said that from the beginning. It heartens me to see good people doing good things, standing up for what’s right, protecting those who are weaker and with less of a voice and RESISTING. Bless ‘em. I hope they will continue to stand alongside those who are the most vulnerable to the fucking Nazis coming into power. We need them desperately. My comment was so not directed at them.

It was directed at the Army Corps of Engineers (with whom I have decades long issues and a couple of outright wars) and those goons you reference. I have just so had it with the only voices that count, the only power, being in the hands of white men.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:03:51pm

re: #132 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Her beliefs make her an ugly person from the inside out.

I think she’s an ugly person too but what Blue is objecting too I believe is calling her a Sewer Rat. We didn’t like Trump calling Clinton a “nasty woman.” Kellyanne is awful. She’s a homophobe, she’s an enabler of the worst kind but I can see Blue’s point.

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DuckDharma  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:04:29pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

Which is confusing because Oahe was included as one specific area discussed by the judge.

As previously discussed, Lake Oahe is of undeniable importance to the Tribe, and the general area is demonstrably home to important cultural resources. Even here, though, the Tribe has not met its burden to show that DAPL-related work is likely to cause damage. The Corps and the Tribe conducted multiple visits to the area earlier this year in an effort to identify sites that might be harmed by DAPL’s construction. See Eagle Decl., ¶¶ 13-14; Harnois Decl., ¶ 29. While the Tribe identified several previously undiscovered resources during those visits, these sites are located away from the activity required for the DAPL construction. See Harnois Decl., ¶ 29. Ultimately, the Corps considered these findings and determined that they would not be affected by the permitted activity. Id., ¶ 33. Most importantly, the North Dakota SHPO concurred in this opinion after having toured the site as well.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:04:41pm

re: #131 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In unrelated news, I picked out some gift boxes from Penzey’s for my MIL for Christmas. I need to push a few more buttons but the Christmas shopping for that side is pretty much complete.

The only holiday shopping I need to do is for my wife and my mother. (There are advantages of living in a small family.)

On the other hand, I need to get on mailing cards out to everyone in the village. (I’ve done that since I moved here - I could probably walk them around personally in town in about an hour, but everyone likes to get a card in the mailbox - and it supports the local post office we fought so hard to save).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:06:35pm

re: #137 Anymouse

The only holiday shopping I need to do is for my wife and my mother. (There are advantages of living in a small family.)

On the other hand, I need to get on mailing cards out to everyone in the village. (I’ve done that since I moved here - I could probably walk them around personally in town in about an hour, but everyone likes to get a card in the mailbox - and it supports the local post office we fought so hard to save).

I always swear I’m actually going to mail Christmas cards.

Maybe this year. (Hah.)

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:07:52pm

re: #131 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In unrelated news, I picked out some gift boxes from Penzey’s for my MIL for Christmas. I need to push a few more buttons but the Christmas shopping for that side is pretty much complete.

Actually, on that topic, I completed shopping for Mrs. Fish yesterday; she usually orders for all the rest of the family, and I just take care of finding good gifts for her. This year, we had a family theme of “nerd gifts” for everybody.

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:08:06pm

re: #136 DuckDharma

Which is confusing because Oahe was included as one specific area discussed by the judge.

What would make sense is if there was a reason for the estimated likelihood of damage to go up between the two decisions, but they don’t say that.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:10:46pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

I think she’s an ugly person too but what Blue is objecting too I believe is calling her a Sewer Rat. We didn’t like Trump calling Clinton a “nasty woman.” Kellyanne is awful. She’s a homophobe, she’s an enabler of the worst kind but I can see Blue’s point.

I was in agreement with BlueRaven… beauty is only skin deep. It was moreso a statement on her own internal ugliness beyond any visible looks. Sorry if there was confusion on that…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:11:12pm

re: #141 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I was in agreement with BlueRaven… beauty is only skin deep. It was moreso a statement on her own internal ugliness beyond any visible looks. Sorry if there was confusion on that…

Oh, it’s good.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:12:13pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

I think she’s an ugly person too but what Blue is objecting too I believe is calling her a Sewer Rat. We didn’t like Trump calling Clinton a “nasty woman.” Kellyanne is awful. She’s a homophobe, she’s an enabler of the worst kind but I can see Blue’s point.

My issue isn’t even the sewer rat outside of the insult to rats (which are pretty amazing critters once you understand them). It’s the continuation of judging women based on appearance. It’s the whole Barbi meme - another whole set of destructive messages and brainwashing. It’s just misogynist AF.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:12:44pm

re: #143 allegro

My issue isn’t even the sewer rat outside of the insult to rats (which are pretty amazing critters once you understand them). It’s the continuation of judging women based on appearance. It’s the whole Barbi meme - another whole set of destructive messages and brainwashing. It’s just misogynist AF.

Yeah that too.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:32:06pm

re: #143 allegro

My issue isn’t even the sewer rat outside of the insult to rats (which are pretty amazing critters once you understand them). It’s the continuation of judging women based on appearance. It’s the whole Barbi meme - another whole set of destructive messages and brainwashing. It’s just misogynist AF.

I haven’t seen the SNL skit yet. Were they trying to juxtapose using that line with the “Nasty Woman” attack on Hillary? If they didn’t, then I am disappointed.

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scottslemmons  Dec 4, 2016 • 2:40:24pm

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 3:14:29pm

re: #132 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Her beliefs make her an ugly person from the inside out.

I would say it was her lack of beliefs.


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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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