Trump Corruption Watch: Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross at Nexus of Trump’s Russian Deal

Rachel Maddow connects the dots
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This is some very good reporting work by Rachel Maddow, on yet another disturbing connection between Trump and his gang and the Russian oligarchy. Follow the money.

With a line that runs through newly confirmed Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Rachel Maddow connects the dots between a billionaire Russian oligarch and a Donald Trump deal worth tens of millions of dollars.

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260 comments

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:48:55pm

I’ll start attending Church regularly if this comes to fruition.

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:49:51pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:50:24pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Isn’t this what Holocaust deniers usually say?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:50:50pm

re: #1 Dr. Matt

I’ll start attending Church regularly if this comes to fruition.

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Louise retains an incredibly Pollyanna view of conservative honor and integrity. It’s adorable.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:51:30pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:52:56pm

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:53:11pm

“Trump suggests Jewish community is spreading anti-Semitic threats”

🙄

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:53:43pm

re: #3 thedopefishlives

Isn’t this what Holocaust deniers usually say?

True, though notably Trump did not say that.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:54:13pm

re: #5 Anymouse

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Don’t forget Daily Stormer’s alleging the same thing.

A consensus seems to be building here.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:54:14pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:54:38pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Louise retains an incredibly Pollyanna view of conservative honor and integrity. It’s adorable.

Too true. It is now completely clear that Trump could strangle a 5 year old white girl to death on the white house lawn on live video and this wouldn’t change his polling among Republicans very much.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:54:51pm

Just a reminder that someone is always wrong on the Internet.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:55:42pm

re: #12 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just a reminder that someone is always wrong on the Internet.

Insert obligatory link to xkcd here.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:56:39pm

re: #13 thedopefishlives

Insert obligatory link to xkcd here.

I mean, we can all spend hours arguing over who exactly it is, but I have other things to do with my time today so I figured I’d just cut to the chase.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:56:48pm

I pre-ordered Horizon Zero Dawn, gonna go home and play that instead.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:56:51pm

re: #8 Nyet

True, though notably Trump did not say that.

A fair distinction, and I have never really been on board with calling Drumpf and his team out-and-out Nazis, though it is clear that they have been deliberately courting the support of the out-and-out Nazis.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:57:12pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

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I pre-ordered Horizon Zero Dawn, gonna go home and play that instead.

I’m curious about that. Post a review once you’ve gotten at least a few hours in.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:57:12pm

re: #8 Nyet

True, though notably Trump did not say that.

And Geo. W. Bush didn’t say “liberals are traitors” in regards to the Iraq War.

He just said “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.”

Words matter.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:57:32pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

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I pre-ordered Horizon Zero Dawn, gonna go home and play that instead.

For me, it’s going to be wheels-up on Elder Scrolls Online for a few hours.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:57:37pm

re: #18 Anymouse

Words matter.

Indeed.

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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:58:26pm

re: #16 thedopefishlives

A fair distinction, and I have never really been on board with calling Drumpf and his team out-and-out Nazis, though it is clear that they have been deliberately courting the support of the out-and-out Nazis.

A distinction without a difference, IMO.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:58:29pm

re: #19 thedopefishlives

For me, it’s going to be wheels-up on Elder Scrolls Online for a few hours.

My issue with that is that the “pick up all the things” gameplay style I carry over doesn’t work well without handing them money for the limitless crafting item inventory option.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:59:49pm

My planned fun for the evening is editing Chapter 2 of my sister’s thesis, with bonus time reviewing the rest of it to make sure I didn’t miss anything.

And then my own copy-edits, if there’s still leftover time.

I know you’re all exceedingly jealous.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:59:50pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

I think John Oliver had a good rant during the campaign that included that point.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:59:54pm

re: #16 thedopefishlives

A fair distinction, and I have never really been on board with calling Drumpf and his team out-and-out Nazis, though it is clear that they have been deliberately courting the support of the out-and-out Nazis.

Richard Spencer and Ann Coulter through Nazi salutes at a rally, Trump goes around to “victory rallies,” Nazis support him, he won’t denounce his Nazi supporters.

Yeah, I’m gonna call them all Nazis. It’s a distinction without a difference.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:59:55pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

A distinction without a difference, IMO.

Okay, let me be more blunt: I do not think Drumpf is Hitler. Is he a racist shitbag, yeah. Does he plan to massacre more than six million people outright and try to exterminate an entire identity from the face of the earth, I don’t quite think so.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:00:41pm

re: #22 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My issue with that is that the “pick up all the things” gameplay style I carry over doesn’t work well without handing them money for the limitless crafting item inventory option.

My problem with Elder Scrolls, in particular, is that they pose moral choices that are incredibly soul-searching for a character of Lawful Good alignment. Drives me fucking nuts.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:01:06pm

Watch Trump bloviate for over an hour, or blow up enemy tanks in War Thunder.

Decisions, decisions…

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:01:10pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

Okay, let me be more blunt: I do not think Drumpf is Hitler. Is he a racist shitbag, yeah. Does he plan to massacre more than six million people outright and try to exterminate an entire identity from the face of the earth, I don’t quite think so.

No one thought Hitler would do it either.

The New York Times wrote an op-ed back in the Thirties noting that what they saw in Hitler’s speeches was simply “political rhetoric” that would be tempered once he attained office.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:01:15pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

A distinction without a difference, IMO.

If you think that there is no difference between bug-eyed antisemitism which is alleged here (though not in any way proven) and the no less bug-eyed anti-left-wing-protester claim, well, you’re entitled to this opinion, as we all are.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:02:48pm

re: #18 Anymouse

And Geo. W. Bush didn’t say “liberals are traitors” in regards to the Iraq War.

He just said “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.”

Words matter.

Which really only demonstrates the fact that Trump took Bush’s ground level low bar and managed to turn it into buried treasure. I mean, “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” was just simply appalling in its binary, simplistic, reactionary view of conflict & reality. The fact that the Republicans managed to inflict something far worse upon us is actually kind of an amazing accomplishment in terms of the difficulty level involved.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:03:00pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

I think the saying goes…History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:03:18pm

re: #32 JordanRules

I think the saying goes…History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

History repeats itself. Historians repeat each other.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:03:41pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Which really only demonstrates the fact that Trump took Bush’s ground level low bar and managed to turn it into buried treasure. I mean, “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” was just simply appalling in its binary, simplistic, reactionary view of conflict & reality. The fact that the Republicans managed to inflict something far worse upon us is actually kind of an amazing accomplishment in terms of the difficulty level involved.

It’s rather hard to believe that we’ll one day consider “with us or against us” the high point of Republican subtlety.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:04:05pm

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:05:22pm

Dem members in attendance should suddenly catch a bad cough…

Trump claim XYZ

Dems: *cough cough BULLSHIT cough*

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:05:34pm

Perhaps Trump is Alt Hitler.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:05:39pm

re: #29 Anymouse

No one thought Hitler would do it either.

The New York Times wrote an op-ed back in the Thirties noting that what they saw in Hitler’s speeches was simply “political rhetoric” that would be tempered once he attained office.

I just have trouble with the Hitler/Nazi comparisons. On the one hand, yeah, the similarities are disturbing. On the other, well, I guess that’s my personal bias toward American goodness talking.

With that, I will withdraw to a safe distance and don my asbestos-scale suit.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:06:30pm
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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:07:01pm

:)

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:07:21pm

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:08:30pm

Bannon Harkonnen and other lepertarians think it’s “edgy” and “dark” to play footsie with outright Nazis.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:09:11pm

re: #42 Shiplord Kirel

Bannon Harkonnen and other lepertarians think it’s “edgy” and “dark” to play footsie with outright Nazis.

I had to do a double-take at Bannon Harkonnen. You get an upding for that one alone.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:09:44pm

Well, once the meme is out there, you can’t kill it. Doesn’t matter left or right.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:11:08pm

re: #30 Nyet

If you think that there is no difference between bug-eyed antisemitism which is alleged here (though not in any way proven) and the no less bug-eyed anti-left-wing-protester claim, well, you’re entitled to this opinion, as we all are.

Well, I’m going to bail out of this particular discussion … you are now deliberately ignoring what has been presented to you (David Duke, Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, Steve Bannon, &c &c &c).

It is no different than “let’s give Mr. Trump a chance” or “he’s still learning the job.” He’s been at this all his life - it’s not like there is no history of Mr. Trump being convicted for racist rental practices or taking out a full-page advert calling for the execution of the (innocent) Central Park Five.

And now he is the most powerful politician in the world.

But we’re supposed to sit back and wait? Like Pol Pot? Like Stalin? Rwanda perhaps?

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. - Maya Angelou.

From that November 1922 New York Times article:

But, several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as bait to catch messes of followers, and keep them aroused, enthusiastic and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.

A sophisticated politician credited Hitler with peculiar political cleverness for laying emphasis and over emphasis on anti-Semitism, saying: “You can’t expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims. You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas like anti-Semitism. It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you really are leading them.”

Yeah, I’m not going to wait for him to implement a plan of genocide - that immigration order was only the first step.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:11:50pm

re: #41 thedopefishlives

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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:13:13pm
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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:13:21pm

re: #45 Anymouse

Well, I’m going to bail out of this particular discussion … you are now deliberately ignoring what has been presented to you (David Duke, Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, Steve Bannon, &c &c &c).

Throwing out red herrings and then complaining about ignoring them. Typical.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:13:38pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

Too true. It is now completely clear that Trump could strangle a 5 year old white girl to death on the white house lawn on live video and this wouldn’t change his polling among Republicans very much.

I think we’re past that. He could fuck a 5 year old boy on camera and they’re be OK with it. Bryan Fisher would cite examples from the Bible, Ryan would quote Ayn Rand, Pence would scrunch his nose. And then smile it away. Everyone else on the Republican side would start doing it as a trend. We’d have a national holiday shortly thereafter.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:14:48pm

re: #46 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:14:55pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

I’m just going to smoke a little* and maybe plug the ‘65 guitar into the ‘67 amp.

*ETA: “little” can be a very flexible word.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:15:14pm

re: #14 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I mean, we can all spend hours arguing over who exactly it is, but I have other things to do with my time today so I figured I’d just cut to the chase.

I need to go feed the dogs because I’d have sworen you said “cut the cheese”.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:16:20pm

re: #48 Nyet

Throwing out red herrings and then complaining about ignoring them. Typical.

Oooh, now I’m typical.

I’ve never been accused of being typical.

I’m not throwing out red herrings and you know it.

I’m bailing out of a bigotry-apologetics session. I find it reprehensible and not worthy of further discussion.

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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:16:39pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

Okay, let me be more blunt: I do not think Drumpf is Hitler. Is he a racist shitbag, yeah. Does he plan to massacre more than six million people outright and try to exterminate an entire identity from the face of the earth, I don’t quite think so.

If Bannon and other fringe nutjobs decide to exterminate a significant fraction of humanity for some addle-pated reason, would Trump and the Republicans oppose this at all?

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:17:16pm

re: #23 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My planned fun for the evening is editing Chapter 2 of my sister’s thesis, with bonus time reviewing the rest of it to make sure I didn’t miss anything.

And then my own copy-edits, if there’s still leftover time.

I know you’re all exceedingly jealous.

Was it the blank expression that gave me away?

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:17:25pm

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ipsos  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:17:29pm

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:17:48pm

re: #53 Anymouse

Oooh, now I’m typical.

It’s turtles comprehension problems all the way down.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:18:04pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:18:28pm

Trump is not Hitler, but………………………If you don’t want people to think you’re an ass, don’t act like one.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:18:43pm

re: #59 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:18:49pm

re: #55 Jebediah, RBG

Was it the blank expression that gave me away?

But Excel spreadsheets! I know you can’t contain your excitement over those!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:19:14pm

re: #62 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But Excel spreadsheets! I know you can’t contain your excitement over those!

OOH! OOH! …No!

And if you even utter the acronym “VBA”, you die. Horribly.

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ausador  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:19:47pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

It’s rather hard to believe that we’ll one day consider “with us or against us” the high point of Republican subtlety.

Bullet or Gas?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:20:04pm

re: #61 thedopefishlives

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:20:47pm

re: #63 thedopefishlives

OOH! OOH! …No!

And if you even utter the acronym “VBA”, you die. Horribly.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:21:07pm

re: #58 Nyet

It’s turtles comprehension problems all the way down.

Yup. You seem not to comprehend that Mr. Trump is an anti-Semitic bigot, surrounds himself with anti-Semitic bigots, re-tweets anti-Semitic bigots from anti-Semitic blogs, and holds anti-Semitic rallies.

But I have the comprehension problem here. You really are wedded to this idea, aren’t you?

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:21:08pm

re: #65 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:22:16pm

I’m out for now … bye y’all.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:22:45pm

LET IT GO. LET IT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:23:16pm

re: #66 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:24:20pm

re: #71 thedopefishlives

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:24:53pm

I guess the whole rounding up ladies at the hospital with brain tumors ain’t playing as well as they hoped…

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:27:36pm
I’m bailing out of a bigotry-apologetics session. I find it reprehensible and not worthy of further discussion.

BTW, I’ve had a deja vu. Here’s some broader context:

littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

My Gold Star Family Button was spit on by a Nazi, and you want to support Nazi supporters?

I need to take a break from Little Green Footballs for a few days. Perhaps that is why I sent my money to Wonkette yesterday. They don’t make special snowflake arguments for Nazi apologists.

That was written to klys BTW. There’s a pattern there.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:29:17pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Louise retains an incredibly Pollyanna view of conservative honor and integrity. It’s adorable.

No kidding. Trump could molest Paul Ryan’s daughter and the GOP would say that it’s a private matter and of no concern to them.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:29:29pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

Okay, let me be more blunt: I do not think Drumpf is Hitler. Is he a racist shitbag, yeah. Does he plan to massacre more than six million people outright and try to exterminate an entire identity from the face of the earth, I don’t quite think so.

At this point I’m withholding judgement. ICE is looking to reopen some prison in TX and elsewhere. Do I think they will gas humans? No. Do I think humans will die at their hands? Absolutely. Perhaps we can say Hitler lite. That’s splitting nano hairs.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:30:01pm

re: #67 Anymouse

But I have the comprehension problem here.

Unfortunately.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:33:13pm

re: #73 FormerDirtDart

I guess the whole rounding up ladies at the hospital with brain tumors ain’t playing as well as they hoped…

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Walkback coming in 3…2…1…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:34:07pm

when does his campaign speech to Congress start?
I’ll take one for the team and turn on CSPAN.

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Scout  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:35:24pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

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Maybe I’m overreacting here, but the way I read that: Violence against Americans is bad, implying that violence against non-Americans — like those two Indian victims — is fine.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:35:38pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brave soul!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:36:11pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

A distinction without a difference, IMO.

I’d argue that the distinction matters because what Trump represents, whether intentional or not, is the more effective thin wedge end of antisemitism. He started out subtle, pretending not to know who David Duke was, co-opting previous antisemitic attacks and memes for use against Muslims, etc.

Then the wedge got pounded in a little more, so they felt safe refusing to mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, doubling and tripling down on that decision until they were forced to issue an anemic statement condemning all forms of discrimination including antisemitism.

Then the wedge got pushed in a bit further, when Trump irrationally blew up at that Jewish reporter for a perceived personal attack when no rational observer would’ve interpreted his question that way.

Taking so long to address the uptick in antisemitism and bomb threats is just the latest invasion of the Trump’s wedge. Phrasing his response so as to include the statement “sometimes it’s the reverse” can only be inferred to justify the possible interpretation of current events casting Jews (or their liberal allies) as false flag perpetrators instead of the victims.

So I’d argue the distinction does have a difference, in that it works more insidiously and effectively towards making antisemitic concepts palatable within public discourse.

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Interesting Times  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:36:24pm

re: #78 Eclectic Cyborg

Walkback coming in 3…2…1…

Or, he’s figured out the time-honored GOP technique of saying the “moderate” thing to make beltway pundits swoon while doing the extremist crap they meant to all along.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:36:43pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

when does his campaign speech to Congress start?
I’ll take one for the team and turn on CSPAN.

9:00 eastern.

And thanks. I’ll be reading here. I can’t tolerate his voice or slaying the English language.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:37:01pm

re: #80 Scout

Maybe I’m overreacting here, but the way I read that: Violence against Americans is bad, implying that violence against non-Americans — like those two Indian victims — is fine.

That’s how I read it.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:38:10pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

when does his campaign speech to Congress start?
I’ll take one for the team and turn on CSPAN.

9:00.

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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:39:16pm

The rest David Remnick

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ausador  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:39:55pm

re: #73 FormerDirtDart

I guess the whole rounding up ladies at the hospital with brain tumors ain’t playing as well as they hoped…

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Trump already recently said he was open to something like the “gang of eight” immigration reforms that were proposed…uhh, six years ago maybe? I remember because Anne Coulter threw a fit about it on twitter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:40:17pm

re: #84 MsJ

re: #86 makeitstop

Thanks…lots of storms tonight.
Maybe my power will go out and I’ll be spared…

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:40:30pm

Well, at least Geller & Co. can be counted on to be reliably consistent in their bigotry & lies. When she’s not busy claiming attacks on mosques/Muslims are false flags, she’s (still) busy trying to convince the Western world that Muslims, not Christians, were and always have been the source of antisemitism in Europe. She still hasn’t quite figured out how to make us guilty Hitler & the Holocaust, but she keeps working on it.

Oh, and she’s VERY annoyed at the stupid Jewicidal Jews who fall for it every time Muslims try to reach out to them. They’re all so blind—they refuse to see that Muslims aren’t reaching out to help out of any sense of shared distress, humanity or empathy, nope—it’s nothing more than cold, calculating exploitation for PR gain. Kinda weird how she makes Muslims sound sneaky, greedy and underhanded just like European antisemites made Jews sound, huh?

I can’t believe human beings are still so STUPID as to be toying around with this lethal shit. “Never again,” my ass—it’s more like “Never ME & MINE again, the rest? Meh.”

Excuse me while I go find something to throw across the room that won’t break anything… 😡😡😡

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:42:44pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks…lots of storms tonight.
Maybe my power will go out and I’ll be spared…

The wife and I have a 7:30 appointment, after which we’re going to catch a late dinner.

Hopefully we’ll get lucky and the place we’re going will have hockey games on the TVs. Otherwise, we’ll have to either eat really fast or lodge an objection with management.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:42:45pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

Excuse me while I go find something to throw across the room that won’t break anything… 😡😡😡

Well, that excludes the cat.

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darthstar  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:43:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:44:11pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

hug one of your wee minons.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:45:46pm

re: #63 thedopefishlives

OOH! OOH! …No!

And if you even utter the acronym “VBA”, you die. Horribly.

I can neither confirm nor deny familiarity with this thing you call “VBA”.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:45:48pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

Streicher famously liked publishing stories about the (alleged) Jewish sexual assaults on “Aryan” women.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:48:28pm

re: #85 MsJ

That’s how I read it.

Me too.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:51:49pm


After Outcry, Arizona GOP Kills Bill That Would’ve Treated Protesters Like Terrorists

“People need to know we are not about limiting people’s rights,” Arizona House Speaker J.D. Mesnard said.

Even though that’s exactly what the bill did. Try again next year when the police state is better established.

huffingtonpost.com;

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Mike Lamb  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:52:28pm

re: #58 Nyet

I don’t understand why this is the hill you’re choosing to die on. When he first made the statement, I admit I had trouble comprehending what the fuck he was talking about at all. To the extent he’s referencing false flag operations, the idea that we should a) assume he meant liberals in the context of violence/threatened violence against Jews seems an odd step to make (it’s like asking us to assume that he meant Jews if the target of the threats/violence was a bunch of regional Democratic Party offices) and/or b) assume that the statement was not vague enough to be a dog whistle to his anti-Semitic followers.

Furthermore, you seem to think that you have cornered the clear-eyed, logical interpretation of the statement, and ask that the entire incident be divorced from everything we know about Trump, his prior comments, his various appointments, etc. etc. There is no basis to grant him the benefit of the doubt here and I think it’s you that are straining the bounds of logic to assert to firmly that there weren’t significant anti-Semitic undertones with his statement.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:52:58pm

re: #96 Nyet

Streicher famously liked publishing stories about the (alleged) Jewish attacks on “Aryan” women.

The way the hate blogs make it sound, European women can no longer leave their homes without being accosted by violently sexually predatory Muslim men at every turn. 😒

I don’t doubt there are rapists & sexual deviants among Muslim men—there are rapists & sexual deviants among ALL men (and women), regardless of culture & religion. The idea that…. GAH. Never mind, I’m just going to end up pissing myself off if I think about it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:56:02pm

re: #98 Skip Intro

Exactly. That was just a test case to see how much they could get away with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:56:46pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

The way the hate blogs make it sound, European women can no longer leave their homes without being accosted by violently sexually predatory Muslim men at every turn. 😒

I don’t doubt there are rapists & sexual deviants among Muslim men—there are rapists & sexual deviants among ALL men (and women), regardless of culture & religion. The idea that…. GAH. Never mind, I’m just going to end up pissing myself off if I think about it.

European women, much like women elsewhere, are more likely to be assaulted in their own homes, at their workplace, or going about any other daily activity.
And most likely by someone they already know.

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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:59:01pm

“The fiend who set off the bomb does not have the sympathy of the white population in the South; in fact, he set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically as to raise the question whether in fact the explosion was the act of a provocateur - of a Communist, or of a crazed Negro. Some circumstantial evidence lends a hint of plausibility to that notion, especially the ten-minute fuse (surely a white man walking away form the church basement ten minutes earlier would have been noticed?). And let it be said that the convulsions that go on, and are bound to continue, have resulted from revolutionary assaults on the status quo, and a contempt for the law, which are traceable to the Supreme Court’s manifest contempt for the settled traditions of Constitutional practice.”

National Review October 1, 1963 issue of their biweekly Bulletin

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:00:09pm

re: #95 Timothy Watson

I can neither confirm nor deny familiarity with this thing you call “VBA”.

I spent my time in VBA hell. Thankfully, I never had to support an application built using it - I merely toyed around with it as an attempt at automating a data migration. It was horrendous.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:01:38pm

re: #80 Scout

re: #85 MsJ

That’s how I read it.

re: #97 Eclectic Cyborg

Me too.

Me three. I burst into tears earlier today listening to the widow of the guy that was killed. For some reason they somehow don’t seem to be counted as fully human & deserving of sympathy as others. The video is about halfway down in the article.

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SirMixALot  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:04:33pm

re: #1 Dr. Matt

I’ll start attending Church regularly if this comes to fruition.

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Has she followed up with her tweet this weekend claiming the Russians hacked into Weiner’s computer planted Hillary’s e-mails with the help of Breitbart staff? I’m waiting for that shoe to drop. Has she given an update? *fingers crossed*

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:04:43pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:07:02pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

Totally depends on how white they are/were.

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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:07:49pm

re: #84 MsJ

9:00 eastern.

And thanks. I’ll be reading here. I can’t tolerate his voice or slaying the English language.

I’m going to watch a movie and check in after the fact—just don’t even want to know what’s going on in real time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:09:21pm
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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:10:30pm

re: #99 Mike Lamb

I don’t understand why this is the hill you’re choosing to die on.

I promise you I’m not figuratively dying any time soon. I’m gonna go to bed soon though.

the idea that we should a) assume he meant liberals in the context of violence/threatened violence against Jews seems an odd step to make (it’s like asking us to assume that he meant Jews if the target of the threats/violence was a bunch of regional Democratic Party offices)

I’m at a loss as to why you find it odd. Trump is being personally blamed for the wave of hatred his rhetoric has unleashed, incl. antisemitic incidents. He knows he is being blamed. His first instinct is to deflect the blame on someone else. He wouldn’t deflect it on the Jews themselves (they are not Muslims, deflecting on them can only backfire, and he knows it and he hasn’t shown this particular type of antisemitism before), so the next best thing is to blame the liberal left protesters who want to set him up. Which is what his adviser happens to have said too.

Furthermore, you seem to think that you have cornered the clear-eyed, logical interpretation of the statement, and ask that the entire incident be divorced from everything we know about Trump,

I interpret the statement in light of everything we know about Trump. The “he blamed the Jews” thesis simply does not fit the big picture. Well, unless one goes with a simplistic “Trump is a Nazi”, like my previous opponent here, in which case yeah, he’s probably already secretly signed the Final Solution order. Otherwise, not so much.

There is no basis to grant him the benefit of the doubt here

There is no basis to grant the antisemitic interpretation a significant weight in the first place, so we don’t even get to discussing benefit of the doubt.

and I think it’s you that are straining the bounds of logic to assert to firmly that there weren’t significant anti-Semitic undertones with his statement.

It can be called effectively antisemitic, insofar as it dismisses Jewish concerns about antisemitism.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:11:36pm

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

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I told this one to Mrs. Fish, who just stared at me blankly and went, “…That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.”

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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:13:13pm

re: #93 darthstar

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Really, that’s it in a nutshell—the fact that some gooper has to PLEAD with him gives it all away. Particularly when he jumped on twitter immediately after Orlando and that thing with the bomb in the trash can in NY to proclaim how HE WAS RIGHT!!11TY. (and, of course, he wasn’t) but he’s hedging his bets on the Olathe shooting and the anti-
Semitism stuff because it involves his peeps.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:13:24pm

How any serious Christian could compare the gates of Heaven to Drumpf’s Wall of Shame, I will never understand. Apparently, they don’t get that the gates of Heaven are wide open to anyone who is willing to come in.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:13:41pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

It’s not without problems, since the men come from deeply patriarchal cultures. But there is no chaos on the streets or rapes on every corner except in the wingnuts’ imaginations.

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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:13:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:21:04pm

re: #116 gocart mozart

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See, this is why I respect Ellison. he lost DNC chair but instead of being petty against Perez, he’s going after the administration.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:21:17pm

re: #105 CuriousLurker

I kept looking at this guy today thinking “THIS is the white American master race??? The “alpha” male with the best DNA? Srsly?”

There’s some serious insecurity/inferiority complex underlying this nonsense. Trump recognizes it & speaks to it because he suffers from it also.




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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:21:54pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:22:46pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

I kept looking at this guy today thinking “THIS is the white master race??? The “alpha” male with the best DNA? Srsly?”

There’s some serious insecurity/inferiority complex underlying this nonsense. Trump recognizes it & speaks to it because he suffers from it also.

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He’s definitely a Trump supporter.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:24:04pm

re: #111 Nyet

There types of anti-Semitism?

And are you suggesting that Trump is a rational actor?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:24:57pm

re: #29 Anymouse

Exactly. We have no idea how far Trump will go. Look how he has behaved in under 2 months of being inaugurated. Things are only going to get much worse.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:25:13pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

More power to you and thanks for taking one for the team. You and the others.

Is rather shove a meat thermometer into my ear.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:26:28pm

re: #124 MsJ

More power to you and thanks for taking one for the team. You and the others.

Is rather shove a meat thermometer into my ear.

This is why video games exist: To provide an escape from reality when reality is just too shit to handle.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:26:39pm

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

Bannon’s the one we should be watching. He knows how to bring out the worst in Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:26:41pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

You’re definitely taking one for the team because I can’t watch him lying for over one hour with zero push back. My blood pressure couldn’t handle it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:27:52pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:28:12pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

I kept looking at this guy today thinking “THIS is the white master race??? The “alpha” male with the best DNA? Srsly?”

There’s some serious insecurity/inferiority complex underlying this nonsense. Trump recognizes it & speaks to it because he suffers from it also.

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Not much to look at, is he? What’s so disturbing to me is how familiar he looks. I’ve encountered thousands of sullen redneck drunks like this. They are part of the landscape here in Texas, and probably in a good part of the rest of the country as well.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:28:32pm

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

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Where in the Bible does it say that heaven has a gate and a wall? LOL.

Rightwingers are so delusional.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:30:22pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

I kept looking at this guy today thinking “THIS is the white American master race??? The “alpha” male with the best DNA? Srsly?”

There’s some serious insecurity/inferiority complex underlying this nonsense. Trump recognizes it & speaks to it because he suffers from it also.

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Also: serious alcoholism & untreated mental illness. The mental illness sounds like it was exacerbated by a constant stream of Fox News and Hate Radio.

Tell a loser long enough that all his problems are the fault of somebody he already dislikes and fears, and the results are not likely to be fresh-baked cookies and a shoulder rub.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:30:55pm

re: #103 gocart mozart

Good to know that National Review has always been a racist Rightwing rag. They haven’t changed a lick.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:31:16pm

re: #125 thedopefishlives

This is why video games exist: To provide an escape from reality when reality is just too shit to handle.

There’s a good murder show on (Joe Kenda) and then Face Off on our version of SyFy. Then… Who cares. Anything is better.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:31:44pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

So we know what Trump will be opening with tonight, after he brags about his huuuuge victory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:33:17pm

Ordered a rotisserie attachement for our charcoal/wood smoker/grill combo thingie.
It was delivered just in time for winter to return this weekend.
I think we’ll still give it a go…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:34:22pm

re: #134 Skip Intro

So we know what Trump will be opening with tonight, after he brags about his huuuuge victory.

And Sessions’s new get tough plan on violence against police…

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:35:25pm
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petesh  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:38:50pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

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Sadly, I have to meet some friends for dinner half an hour after the Don is scheduled to start. But I would much appreciate a summary …

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:39:56pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Sessions’s new get tough plan on violence against police…

The coming police state just got a huge boost today.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:42:10pm

I’m kind of hoping Trump shows up wearing Mickey Mouse ears and babbling about how he likes to build castles with his own poop, so we can go straight to the 25th Amendment. But I know we won’t be that lucky.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:42:57pm

re: #6 GlutenFreeJesus

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You may have seen the signs saying

OOL
Notice there’s no ‘P’ in our pool.
Keep it that way!

I always wanted a sign that said

L……

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:44:22pm

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

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Child of 1970s Rock that I am, I cannot help thinking of David Bowie when I hear/read the word ‘suffragette’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:44:38pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

I’m kind of hoping Trump shows up wearing Mickey Mouse ears and babbling about how he likes to build castles with his own poop, so we can go straight to the 25th Amendment. But I know we won’t be that lucky.

well, I’m pretty sure you are safe in predicting the babbling part…

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:45:09pm

re: #111 Nyet

I promise you I’m not figuratively dying any time soon. I’m gonna go to bed soon though.

I’m at a loss as to why you find it odd. Trump is being personally blamed for the wave of hatred his rhetoric has unleashed, incl. antisemitic incidents. He knows he is being blamed. His first instinct is to deflect the blame on someone else. He wouldn’t deflect it on the Jews themselves (they are not Muslims, deflecting on them can only backfire, and he knows it and he hasn’t shown this particular type of antisemitism before), so the next best thing is to blame the liberal left protesters who want to set him up. Which is what his adviser happens to have said too.

I interpret the statement in light of everything we know about Trump. The “he blamed the Jews” thesis simply does not fit the big picture. Well, unless one goes with a simplistic “Trump is a Nazi”, like my previous opponent here, in which case yeah, he’s probably already secretly signed the Final Solution order. Otherwise, not so much.

There is no basis to grant the antisemitic interpretation a significant weight in the first place, so we don’t even get to discussing benefit of the doubt.

It can be called effectively antisemitic, insofar as it dismisses Jewish concerns about antisemitism.

Trump sees everything that happens as something that MAKES TRUMP LOOK/FEEL GOOD or something that MAKES TRUMP LOOK/FEEL BAD. If others are harmed, he doesn’t give a shit about them, it is only about TRUMP.

If something bad happens to white people (for example, an attack by Daesh terrorists against white people, even gay white people) THIS MAKES TRUMP LOOK/FEEL GOOD because he has been warning about RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM so therefore TRUMP TOLD YOU SO.

If something bad happens to minorities (Muslims in Quebec, Indians in Kansas City, JCC’s, Jewish cemeteries) who happen to be hated by Trump supporters (and therefore are the primary suspects), THIS MAKES TRUMP LOOK BAD and therefore he will ignore it. If pressed to say something, he will blurt out HOW THIS MAKES TRUMP FEEL.

Attacks on Muslims, immigrants, Jews, gays, etc. are significant only insofar as TRUMP’S FEELINGS ARE AFFECTED.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:45:25pm

Jim Crow was awesome because of CHOICES!
slate.com

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ausador  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:47:41pm

re: #134 Skip Intro

So we know what Trump will be opening with tonight, after he brags about his huuuuge victory.

I got 237 more electoral college votes than George Washington!

Politifact: True…but…uhh…well…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:47:54pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, I’m pretty sure you are safe in predicting the babbling part…

I just want to have him obviously reading the stage directions..

“And with my lovely wife Melania, now our first lady, wait for applause, are sitting three victims of horrible crimes committed by illegal aliens, point to women with flotus, look sad but resolute….”

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:48:14pm

re: #146 ausador

I got 237 more electoral college votes than George Washington!

Politifact: True…but…uhh…well…

I think they need to add a rating for “Not Even Wrong”.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:48:22pm

I don’t know if Trump can be classified antisemitic as it is extremely hard to make that call unless he comes right out with some damning proof.

But I do think he has a hatred of everything not Trump. If you aren’t in the family or a part of his business he most likely views you suspiciously and most likely puts you into some kind of category in his brain.

I bet along with liberals, Blacks and other categories he probably has one for Jews.

That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have Jewish friends and associates. They go into a different category…probably something like Good Jew.

I have an older brother that is as bigoted as they come. He was always nice around my Black friends if they were at my house or at an auto race or something like that. But I know he would be all “those people” and fucking “N-words” at other times.

Trump is most likely similar. The old “I have Black Jewish friends” used to excuse his hate for individuals that don’t fit in the good _________________ (fill in the race/religion) category but are solidly in the bad category.

So, what kind of behavior is that? Is my brother a racist? Is Trump an anti-Semite?

How many people do you need in the bad category in your messed up head to be one?

By the way if Nyet is still around. I did a quick Google search based on “is Trump an anti-Semite” and it appears ‘mouse is not the only person willing to go down that road. I didn’t read any of the links but I saw several from around October 2016 that had a lot of media wondering the same.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:49:12pm

re: #122 Mike Lamb

There types of anti-Semitism?

Of course. E.g. your average old person repeating stereotypes about Jews and finances is not necessarily the same as David Duke and Adolf Hitler.

Jesse Jackson’s “hymie town” remarks, for example, were antisemitic and reprehensible but did not make him the analog of George Lincoln Rockwell.

And are you suggesting that Trump is a rational actor?

Isn’t suggesting that it was an ingenious dog whistle a suggestion of him being a rational actor?

The man’s got a certain gut instinct, or he wouldn’t be where he is today. When he knew that anti-Muslim rhetoric would bring him dividends, he did not hesitate. And yet so far he has not exhibited this particular conspiratorial type of antisemitism, even if people in his circle have.

And unlike anti-Muslim bigotry, this type of antisemitism is still not a “thing” among the conservative base (the Soros thing is not that explicit and they probably believe they are not being antisemitic running with the Soros theories). So what exactly would he have achieved? Sent a signal to a small part of his base, the alt-right? Why choose this moment? Etc.

One has to make more assumptions than are necessary on this hypothesis, and that goes against Occam’s razor.

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A Cranky One  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:49:41pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

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Thanks for taking one for the team. I can’t stand to listen to the buffoon for any length of time. I tried during the election, feeling it was my duty as a citizen to be informed, but it was just too painful.

Twitler favors torture. Tonight, he intends to torture the nation.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:53:23pm

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:53:40pm

re: #126 Skip Intro

Bannon’s the one we should be watching. He knows how to bring out the worst in Trump.

We’ve been warned about Trump going with the last voice and opinion he hears before decisions time. So, yeah…Bannon is the one we really need to worry about.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:55:50pm

re: #150 Nyet

I don’t necessarily always agree with you, but I do appreciate that you spell out your assumptions and logic so others can follow it and draw their own conclusions.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:56:00pm

re: #151 A Cranky One

Thanks for taking one for the team. I can’t stand to listen to the buffoon for any length of time. I tried during the election, feeling it was my duty as a citizen to be informed, but it was just too painful.

Twitler favors torture. Tonight, he intends to torture the nation.

I can’t stand the sound of his voice, to me it is more agonizing than fingernails on a chalkboard. Although as I have said previously, Bernie Sanders has that same whiny nasal voice but in Bernie’s case it was mitigated somewhat because he could speak in complete sentences.

Some people claimed Hillary had a “shrill cackling voice” which I did not find to be at all the case. She actually has a deep voice for a woman, maybe the result of intensive voice coaching. I know I have a high pitched voice and I can’t stand to listen to me.

That irritating, whiny, nasal voice repeating repeating repeating incoherent gibberish over and over makes me want to stick an ice pick in my ears.

GAAAAHHHHHH

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:56:36pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks…lots of storms tonight.
Maybe my power will go out and I’ll be spared…

Slow him down by 50%.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:57:17pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:57:45pm

re: #154 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t necessarily always agree with you, but I do appreciate that you spell out your assumptions and logic so others can follow it and draw their own conclusions.

This is how rational discussion should proceed. It also explains why trying to discuss matters with those who are not rational is so damn frustrating.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:58:23pm

How Topsy Turvey is the world’s when I agree with Ron freakung Fornier?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 4:59:50pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

I’m kind of hoping Trump shows up wearing Mickey Mouse ears and babbling about how he likes to build castles with his own poop, so we can go straight to the 25th Amendment. But I know we won’t be that lucky.

GAH

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:00:09pm

re: #159 MsJ

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:01:01pm

Germany, for one, compiles reports on migrant-related criminality.

Here are the 2015 report and the core theses for the first half of 2016. In German, of course.

Some interesting stats, incl. by place of origin.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:01:09pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

What the ever-loving fuck is this hippie talk? Government spending on social programs? How un-American! Sad!

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:01:26pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

As expected he’s going to read from a teleprompter and lie. No surprise there.

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nines09  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:01:29pm

I’m just going to drop this here. The 86 year old woman who was shoved by the cop and fell over backwards to the ground in Tucson ? See that? How about the entire video? You thought that was but a one dick act? Hoo hoo hoo…. You blocking traffic, Get outta da street. bitch..

30 minute video. Apparently it went hell real fast. I was counting heads..and how many cops does it take to shove around those nasty women? Was they screaming? Hollaring? BULL HORNS? Get your hands off of the guys bike, pendejo. What a scene. Poor you.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:01:37pm

Well this is weird…

Punches thrown when fight erupts inside Minneapolis Institute of Art; one involved had look of neo-Nazi strib.mn

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:04:13pm

It sounds to me it’s going to be fairly conventional. I don’t trust a damn word he says.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:05:08pm

re: #166 stpaulbear

Well this is weird…

Punches thrown when fight erupts inside Minneapolis Institute of Art; one involved had look of neo-Nazi strib.mn

The Twin Cities, as a thoroughly multi-cultural area, seem to be a breeding ground for Nazi dickheads, too. Sometimes I wish these morons would just fuck themselves right off to some isolated American wasteland where they can hate on others by themselves, but instead, they seem drawn to the places that house the very people they despise.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:06:09pm

re: #168 thedopefishlives

The Twin Cities, as a thoroughly multi-cultural area, seem to be a breeding ground for Nazi dickheads, too. Sometimes I wish these morons would just fuck themselves right off to some isolated American wasteland where they can hate on others by themselves, but instead, they seem drawn to the places that house the very people they despise.

I think I remember reading in the years leading up to WWII, the Twin Cities had a lot of Nazi sympathizers.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:06:35pm

Tweety is weird tonight. He really, really wants Trump to turn into some other person and make magical deals that will bring flowers and pixie dust all over Washington.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:07:12pm

re: #133 MsJ

There’s a good murder show on (Joe Kenda) and then Face Off on our version of SyFy. Then… Who cares. Anything is better.

Heh, I watch Homicide Hunter Joe from time to time too. I like his dry facts delivery yet he is still human and a nice guy.

I’ve always been fascinated by crime and the lengths people go to both commit them and then try to get away with it. Humans are infinitely a good study. And real is many times way more crazy than fiction.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:07:15pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

Since the killer thought his victims were Iranian…

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:07:21pm

Somebody tell Nicole Wallace her moment was over back in 2009.

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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:07:59pm

Try to sound a little less guilty while answering Paulie.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:09:02pm

I would turn on CNN but I would be tempted to stab the tv the moment Jeffrey Lord came on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:09:49pm

re: #170 Scottish Dragon

Tweety is weird tonight. He really, really wants Trump to turn into some other person and make magical deals that will bring flowers and pixie dust all over Washington.

He still believes in the myth he created about Tip and Gip.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:10:28pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

It sounds to me it’s going to be fairly conventional. I don’t trust a damn word he says.

You shouldn’t. No way Paul Ryan allows this. It’s all for sound bites. They’ll say they’re doing stuff for Americans while actually cutting everything.

And the media will give them cover. It’s just how it works.

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nines09  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:11:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:11:39pm

re: #177 MsJ

You shouldn’t. No way Paul Ryan allows this. It’s all for sound bites. They’ll say they’re doing stuff for Americans while actually cutting everything.

And the media will give them cover. It’s just how it works.

Exactly. One big fucking con and the next day he’ll go back to whining about anything negative said about him.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:11:53pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

Child of 1970s Rock that I am, I cannot help thinking of David Bowie when I hear/read the word ‘suffragette’.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:12:00pm

re: #177 MsJ

I want to hear how he’s going to fix the infrastructure by raising the defense budget by $55 billion.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:12:04pm

THIS IS BREATHTAKING BULLSHIT

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:12:30pm

I’d rather watch the video from the rover underwater, today at about 250 meters:

Camera 1: 2017 American Samoa Expedition

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:13:16pm

He’s nothing but a goddamn con man.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:13:32pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I think I remember reading in the years leading up to WWII, the Twin Cities had a lot of Nazi sympathizers.

Via MN Public Radio 2004. “The Twin Cities is one of the top music towns in the nation. But the same local scene that gave birth to Hüsker Dü, Prince, and the Jayhawks has also spawned one of the nation’s biggest labels for “white power” music. Panzerfaust Records operates quietly from its home base in St. Paul, sending out racist CDs and merchandise for more than 300 bands.”

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:14:01pm

re: #162 Nyet

Some points from the core theses for the first half of 2016:

- there were 142500 cases where at least one of the suspects was a migrant
- the number of such crimes decreased from Jan. to June
- about half of all cases had to do with crimes against property
- the crimes “against sexual self-determination” constituted 1,1% of cases
- the crimes “against life” - 0,14%
- there are different tendencies among different groups by origin
- the proportion of suspects among Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis was lower than their proportion among the migrants
- the citizens of the Maghreb states on the other hand were “very strongly” overrepresented
- the migrants from the Balkan states and from Africa (Gambia etc. - non-Maghreb) were “notably” overrepresented
- the crimes “against life” were committed by migrants against migrants of the same nationality in about half of all cases

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:14:22pm

re: #181 Skip Intro

Oh I see my error. He’s going to be rebuilding the military’s infrastructure, not ours.

That makes GOP sense.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:14:33pm

re: #185 stpaulbear

Via MN Public Radio 2004. “The Twin Cities is one of the top music towns in the nation. But the same local scene that gave birth to Hüsker Dü, Prince, and the Jayhawks has also spawned one of the nation’s biggest labels for “white power” music. Panzerfaust Records operates quietly from its home base in St. Paul, sending out racist CDs and merchandise for more than 300 bands.”

Damn, I didn’t know about that. I’ve heard of Panzerfaust Records but didn’t know they were based out of St. Paul.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:14:54pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:15:00pm

re: #185 stpaulbear

Via MN Public Radio 2004. “The Twin Cities is one of the top music towns in the nation. But the same local scene that gave birth to Hüsker Dü, Prince, and the Jayhawks has also spawned one of the nation’s biggest labels for “white power” music. Panzerfaust Records operates quietly from its home base in St. Paul, sending out racist CDs and merchandise for more than 300 bands.”

It just seems so counterintuitive. Especially since a large proportion of the persons in the MN area are Scandinavian, who hardly have any love for the Nazis, for a variety of reasons. But, then again, this state - excepting our refugee/immigrant population - is about as white as they come, so.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:15:09pm

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS BREATHTAKING BULLSHIT

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Breathtaking & the rubes will believe the vaporware.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:15:23pm

1. Rounding up & deporting immigrants will crash the economy by $5 Trilliion
2. Trump’s tax plan raises taxes on the lowest earners, does NOTHING for the middle class and gives the super rich huge tax cuts.
3. The only “replacement” that GOP has for the ACA is MOAR TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.
4. Ivanka’s “child care plan” will cost $500 Billion AND ONLY HELPS THE SUPER WEALTHY.
5. He just signed an EO TO DIRTY UP THE CLEAN WATER.
6. MOAR BULLSHIT & FUCK YOU AMERICA

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:16:53pm

I’m not going to watch. Like VB, I just cannot listen to his voice. It’s so whiny and it’s so full of shit too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:18:06pm

what in the utter fuck
There’s a comma missing.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:18:37pm

The animal living on the stalk of the dead coral is supposedly rare:

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:19:11pm

re: #189 Kragar

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:19:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:19:48pm

re: #189 Kragar

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I can see the bros who are illiterate when it comes to trade liking this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:20:56pm
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freetoken  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:21:25pm

They stoledit:

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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:23:28pm

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

I see this will be something of a science project. “Is it humanly possible to spew, in a single speech, a massive enough amount of bullshit to cause a gravitational singularity?”

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:23:31pm

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

Before the election even. And yet Comey…

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:23:34pm

re: #170 Scottish Dragon

Tweety is weird tonight. He really, really wants Trump to turn into some other person and make magical deals that will bring flowers and pixie dust all over Washington.

Tweety is all about the game and doesn’t care about the results until later. Then he’ll lambaste the politician later for the game having been bad and had he done something different in the game the results would have been different.

Or something.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:24:57pm

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck
There’s a comma missing.

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Can’t wait for the WWC folks to sign up to clean the offices at night.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:25:33pm

re: #190 thedopefishlives

It just seems so counterintuitive. Especially since a large proportion of the persons in the MN area are Scandinavian, who hardly have any love for the Nazis, for a variety of reasons. But, then again, this state - excepting our refugee/immigrant population - is about as white as they come, so.

The Twin Cities’ white-flight suburbs of the 60’s and 70’s could be pretty damned redneck.

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:26:12pm
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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:26:30pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:29:09pm
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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:29:11pm

re: #204 gocart mozart

It means he’s anti-vax.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:29:31pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:29:37pm

re: #206 stpaulbear

The Twin Cities’ white-flight suburbs of the 60’s and 70’s could be pretty damned redneck.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:30:24pm

re: #204 gocart mozart

It means that Marvel Group paid the Trump Foundation $100,000 for the product placement ad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:31:47pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

Can’t wait for the WWC folks to sign up to clean the offices at night.

or go out in the fields to pick fruits and vegetables…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:32:06pm
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nines09  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:32:25pm

re: #165 nines09

I’m just going to drop this here. The 86 year old woman who was shoved by the cop and fell over backwards to the ground in Tucson ? See that? How about the entire video? You thought that was but a one dick act? Hoo hoo hoo…. You blocking traffic, Get outta da street. bitch..

30 minute video. Apparently it went hell real fast. I was counting heads..and how many cops does it take to shove around those nasty women? Was they screaming? Hollaring? BULL HORNS? Get your hands off of the guys bike, pendejo. What a scene. Poor you.

“They was big and loud and they had bullhorns then the 86 year old rushed us. I defended myself, and then sprayed pepper spray at some people. We were outnumbered and I was afraid for my life. It was just to defend my demands.” Afterwards he was heard to mutter, “Loud and scary.” to no one in particular…..

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:33:23pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:34:44pm

He’s cucking out. Sad!

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:34:49pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

I don’t know why I always latch onto looks, but the clash between his tie and her dress is enough to set off a migraine!

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:35:43pm

re: #219 retired cynic

Power hungry. Him - power time. Her - power dress.

Their lusts for power are clashing.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:37:10pm

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

How generous of him. ///…

Sorry about the typo.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:37:11pm

Virginia Fox greeting Mitch the turtle. My God she is one package deal of crazy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:37:55pm

This is an impressive coordination of false flags.
//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:38:18pm

This entire circular argument about whom trump meant by “reverse” (liberals, Jews, whoever) is just ridiculous.
trump keeps harping on how his messaging skills are 100%, but when you look at how the vast majority of people heard “reverse” and immediately equated that with “Jews” … well, that dog whistle came through loud and clear.
And the trumpsplainers can go right ahead and make excuses and split hairs about semantics and whatever, but the fact of the matter is that people (left, right, and in the middle of nowhere) heard “Jews are doing this to themselves as a false flag to make trump look bad”.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:38:34pm

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

But it’s got nothing to do with Drumpf’s election, nooooooo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:38:59pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

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*barf*

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:39:11pm

Welp, the plot thickens.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:39:26pm

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Russia, perhaps?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:40:50pm

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

He’s cucking out. Sad!

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What about Puerto Ricans who were born there, are already American citizens, and don’t have a passport?
What about Muslims like Muhammad Ali Jr who were freaking BORN HERE?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:41:35pm

re: #228 thedopefishlives

Nah. Just plain old hatred.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:42:21pm

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

Nah. Just plain old hatred.

Well, the headline said “originated overseas”. It’s the logical assumption to make. Though what benefit Drumpf gains from this, I don’t even know.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:42:45pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

What about Puerto Ricans who were born there, are already American citizens, and don’t have a passport?
What about Muslims like Muhammad Ali Jr who were freaking BORN HERE?

Well, Muslims who were born here should never have been born at all, so NYAH!!!

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:43:23pm

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Welp, the plot thickens.

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They’re all coming from Israel. //

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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:43:41pm

re: #231 thedopefishlives

Well, the headline said “originated overseas”. It’s the logical assumption to make. Though what benefit Drumpf gains from this, I don’t even know.

The question of how Bannon benefits from this is probably more relevant.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:43:52pm

re: #233 Belafon

They’re all coming from Israel. //

[creepy]THE CALL WAS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!![/creepy]

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:44:49pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:45:45pm

Gavel

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:46:11pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

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This is a good move on their part. I hope Connolly and Beyer are doing the same. A lot of immigrants here in NOVA.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:46:18pm

re: #237 Scottish Dragon

Gavel

Bench

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:46:31pm

Here we go…

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:46:37pm

re: #239 Belafon

Bench

… press?

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:47:24pm

re: #239 Belafon

Bench

Judgement!

Guilty.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:47:35pm

I’m still watching the ROV video… a hammerhead shark just went by.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:48:18pm

McCain & Graham looking worried…McCain blows his nose bigly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:49:16pm

Peter King is texting or tweeting on his phone…

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:49:38pm

I wonder how many Republicans were promised that when the gas is released, they will survive and will be part of the new order.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:50:35pm

Cabinet members lining up looking like “wth am I here for?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:51:24pm

Now, why on earth did all of the House and Senate “escorts” come through without the yam?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:51:25pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is the standard poker face.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:51:44pm

So, I’m curious about how his “keep immigrants and refugees out” to save American jobs will play with the business supporters since he’s linked it to higher wages. That implies at some point without competition from lower wage seekers workers will be able to negotiate higher wages, which in turn seems to point to some potential for unions….

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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:52:43pm

re: #246 Belafon

I wonder how many Republicans were promised that when the gas is released, they will survive and will be part of the new order.

Behold the wonders of modern propaganda: All Republicans believe this, yet no promises have been made.

The sharpest torment for Goebbels in Hell is seeing his methods perfected by others on a scale he never dreamed of.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:54:04pm

re: #251 EPR-radar

Behold the wonders of modern propaganda: All Republicans believe this, yet no promises have been made.

The sharpest torment for Goebbels in Hell is seeing his methods perfected by others on a scale he never dreamed of.

“You mean all I had to do was start in America?!”

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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:55:46pm

re: #252 Belafon

“You mean all I had to do was start in America?!”

I don’t think this would have worked in the US earlier. POTUS* Trump is the culmination of a decades-long degeneration of the Republican party into a proto-fascist cesspit of Satan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:57:42pm

Did not see Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Clarence Thomas arrive with the rest of SCOTUS

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:58:38pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did not see Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Clarence Thomas arrive with the rest of SCOTUS

They are not going to be there tonight. Someone else is missing, I forget who.

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Major Tom  Feb 28, 2017 • 5:59:52pm

...

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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2017 • 6:01:11pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

It sounds to me it’s going to be fairly conventional. I don’t trust a damn word he says.

It’s that pivot we’ve heard so much about—it will last all of 5 minutes, but the media will kvell about it for days.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 6:01:44pm

There is nothing in the word “reverse” that identifies the perpetrators of the false flag. Then again, I don’t have the magic decoder ring some seem to possess.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 28, 2017 • 6:06:36pm

It’s amazing how it has happened: the Democrats were the union party; then globalization started to take hold and the American business community tacitly started to allow ever more workers (beyond the migrant field workers) in to take jobs from Americans in jobs like construction, especially to avoid union wages; then NAFTA happened and that probably increased the rate of entry (if the subsidy of American crops that put Mexican farmers out of work didn’t); and then you’d be hard pressed to find a non-immigrant working on a high-worth real estate development anywhere south of the old Mason Dixon line and probably north of that, too. And now Trump wants to get rid of these essential workers. Ok, I have some sympathy for the displaced American worker. But that ignores the host of realities we lefties complain about: by now these workers have been here for a couple of generations and some even have kids in college; they have been paying into the American tax system without the benefits in many cases and all the while sending money back to Mexico to at least help stabilize that economy; I’m tired and have to go to bed, but you see where I’m going with this. At once Trump is traumatizing millions who for all intents and purposes are American and also threatening the economic bases of core parts of our economy while ignoring that any gains he gets in the short term will turn into union activity or workers’ rights activities at some point. He’s cooked.

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majii  Feb 28, 2017 • 6:37:58pm

re: #99 Mike Lamb

Thank you. I’m black and grew up under Jim Crow, and I still would not deny that some blacks are racists. I know they are because I’ve met some of them in my 60+ years. I will not defend the likes of Ben Carson, Allen West, Omarosa Manigault, Larry Elder, Jesse Patterson, etc., when they help spread anti-Semitism, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, and other assorted BS when they either openly agree with those who endorse it by either repeating their claims or by give their consent to it by remaining silent. That they’re black doesn’t figure into the equation when it comes to these types of things because when you’re wrong, you’re wrong.


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