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S'latch  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:06:16pm

It’s a fascinating interpretation of the Constitution. It’s entirely possible. It’s highly unlikely. We should strive to make it happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:12:59pm
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bratwurst  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:19:12pm

Jack Shafer, Politico’s “senior media writer” has a dumbass take on the O’Reilly boycott.

Not in Defense of Bill O’Reilly
But against calls for advertiser boycotts.

His argument boils down to:

The O’Reilly boycott is a bad idea. Even if you hate the guy, think of it this way: It may end up energizing calls for advertising boycotts against the on-air talent you like, inspiring timidity among ad buyers who are already too timid.

Here is the thing: if it becomes clear that on-air talent I like is a serial sexual harasser I will not like them anymore.

“Already too timid” ad buyers had no problem with Billo when he was only accused of sexually harassing one employee 13 years ago and, more recently, assaulting his wife. I will go ahead and roll the dice that advertisers will not desert someone of higher personal integrity who happens to have an unpopular opinion.

Edit:

His final advice is this:

If you don’t like O’Reilly and want to protest his alleged behavior, here’s my advice: Don’t watch his rotten show.

I never visit Breitbart or Infowars…but my ignoring them didn’t prevent them from helping an orange colored sociopathic misogynist from getting elected POTUS.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:19:28pm

New election? No thanks. You don’t move ahead by looking back. Say this guy resigns or gets impeached. The quietude of a lame duck President and Republican party till 2020 has a certain appeal at least in comparison to the circus shit show of another election that a court might or might not hold as legit.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:20:53pm

re: #3 bratwurst

Because conservatives never boycotted anyone before. I guess the Dixie Chicks were unavailable for comment.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:22:01pm

Anyone else occasionally look into what people like John Schindler, Rick Wilson, and Tom Nichols post? I had been warned about Schindler. Now that the “revelations” about Susan Rice unmasking have come out and the chemical attacks in Syria have taken place they are unhesitant to use it to attack Susan Rice and Obama to try to keep their conservative cred. Rice apparently was loathed by IC because she was coarse and asked for border-line (unspecified) illegal things (so she warrants an investigation); Trump has something on the accusation about Obama leaving a mess for him….

Fuck ‘em.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:23:16pm

In general I’m not crazy about boycotts either. But in the case of Breitbart News and Bill O’Reilly it’s literally the only way to hold them accountable.

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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:23:54pm

re: #3 bratwurst

Everyone’s got a take on these boycotts.

These businesses look at the bottom line. They think their brands are harmed by associations with O’Reilly now and going forward.

They didn’t have a problem before, when those accusations were swirling about, let alone Fox News’ Ailes and all of his sex harassment actions going on.

They didn’t have problems with Fox News embroiled in multiple sex harassment suits, or the ensuing settlements.

It was all business as usual.

So what changed that these businesses decided that O’Reilly’s actions were above and beyond what they’d be willing to accept?

I’m not sure.

But then again, I’m not sure why they didn’t act sooner. Patterns of sex harassment at Fox have been visible for a while, and their coverup/settlement mode has been documented for a while.

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KGxvi  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:24:16pm

Olbermann is wrong a major point. Though he’s right on two other points. I wrote a page about it a while back.

First, he’s wrong about relying on Article II, Section 1, Clause 6. Section 1 of the 25th Amendment makes it very clear:

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

The Tyler Precedent is the constitutional mandate now.

Second, he’s right about a new law being necessary to deal with succession beyond the Vice President. As I mentioned in that page above, the Presidential Succession Act of 1792 allowed for a special election in the even of a vacancy in the President and Vice-President. It’s possible something like that law could pass, if things go completely sideways - but it would take veto proof majorities in both houses to pass (and Ryan, who would benefit from the removal of both Trump and Pence, to agree to let it go forward).

Third, he’s right that it’s the next election that matters.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:24:45pm

Long thread, around 24 tweets, some double numbered, and a few .5 tweets. Last appears to be #19

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:25:15pm

re: #3 bratwurst

Jack Shafer, Politico’s “senior media writer” has a dumbass take on the O’Reilly boycott.

Not in Defense of Bill O’Reilly
But against calls for advertiser boycotts.

His argument boils down to:

Here is the thing: if it becomes clear that on-air talent I like is a serial sexual harasser I will not like them anymore.

“Already too timid” ad buyers had no problem with Billo when he was only accused of sexually harassing one employee 13 years ago and, more recently, assaulting his wife. I will go ahead and roll the dice that advertisers will not desert someone of higher personal integrity who happens to have an unpopular opinion.

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KGxvi  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:28:49pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

New election? No thanks. You don’t move ahead by looking back. Say this guy resigns or gets impeached. The quietude of a lame duck President and Republican party till 2020 has a certain appeal at least in comparison to the circus shit show of another election that a court might or might not hold as legit.

If Trump resigns or is impeached, Pence’s best case scenario is Gerald Ford. Be good enough to not let the entire republic collapse, but know you’re screwed in the next election.

There’s no way that there isn’t 7+ candidates on the GOP side if Trump is tossed before 2020. Half the GOP base will be in open revolt. The other half will be too ashamed to admit they’re Republicans. And even if Pence gets to the general, he’ll likely be trounced by whoever the Dems nominate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:29:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:30:04pm

On the Senate floor, Al Franken speaking now against the Gorsuch nomination, but starts his comments about the gas attack in Syria.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:33:57pm

GTFO then

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KGxvi  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:36:32pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

With all the anonymous sources in stories about the chaos that is the Trump Administration, I gotta say… the political memoirs that will come in 4 years time are going to be fascinating.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:36:42pm
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TedStriker  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:37:22pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

NYT: Bannon threatened to quit nytimes.com pic.twitter.com

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) April 6, 2017

GTFO then

Oh please, please, please….

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:38:23pm

re: #5 Timothy Watson

Because conservatives never boycotted anyone before. I guess the Dixie Chicks were unavailable for comment.

But when they did comment, they won all the Grammys!

Dixie Chicks - Not Ready To Make Nice

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Skip Intro  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:38:43pm

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Citizen K  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:38:48pm

re: #12 KGxvi

If Trump resigns or is impeached, Pence’s best case scenario is Gerald Ford. Be good enough to not let the entire republic collapse, but know you’re screwed in the next election.

There’s no way that there isn’t 7+ candidates on the GOP side if Trump is tossed before 2020. Half the GOP base will be in open revolt. The other half will be too ashamed to admit they’re Republicans. And even if Pence gets to the general, he’ll likely be trounced by whoever the Dems nominate.

The thing about the Ford comparison is…Ford became VP after Agnew fell on his sword and resigned. He wasn’t a factor when Watergate went down, leaving him with fairly clean hands by the time he became pres, right? Pence was right part of the campaign. There’s little chance that this happened without him knowing or being involved either. How do you rope in Trump without involving Pence in some way either? He’s easily complicit in some sense.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:38:53pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Please, please, let it be confirmed.
If Lumpy was talking to a known Russian agent, and someone with clearance and a need to know requested the name of the American stooge who had been caught in the net, it is legal.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:39:52pm

re: #3 bratwurst

Jack Shafer, Politico’s “senior media writer” has a dumbass take on the O’Reilly boycott.

Not in Defense of Bill O’Reilly
But against calls for advertiser boycotts.

His argument boils down to:

Here is the thing: if it becomes clear that on-air talent I like is a serial sexual harasser I will not like them anymore.

“Already too timid” ad buyers had no problem with Billo when he was only accused of sexually harassing one employee 13 years ago and, more recently, assaulting his wife. I will go ahead and roll the dice that advertisers will not desert someone of higher personal integrity who happens to have an unpopular opinion.

His is one of those arguments that sounds plausible in theory but tends to fall apart in practice. The fact is that the commercial drivers behind most of our culture trend towards liberal values. Conservatives have tried dozens of times to boycott companies like Disney, Target, Starbucks, etc for promoting liberal values and each time those boycotts have failed. Conversely the consumer boycotts of North Carolina, Breitbart, O’Reilly have actually driven advertisers away and had a real effect on profitability.

Here’s my take though, if conservatives want to equate money with free speech under the Citizen’s United ruling then that sword cuts both ways. On top of that people have a basic 1st Amendment right beyond speech, that of free association. There’s no more pure exercise of one’s civil rights than making it known what you will and will not support not only in terms of speech and protest but in terms of what you will and won’t pay for. This is in fact one of the few if only levers the masses have over our corporations and billionaires who abusively wield their money under current law in the manner of the Japanese term “Oni ni kanabo,” which means to give an ogre an iron club.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:40:07pm

Sunsetting oh sunsetting

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:42:42pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Should I rent a backhoe for the shit storm? Or just get a big shovel?
Of course I am being sarcastic and of course a cynic but this is getting really messy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:44:13pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

It was probably Ben Carson who said that and trump didn’t know the difference…

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:44:54pm

re: #21 Citizen K

The thing about the Ford comparison is…Ford became VP after Agnew fell on his sword and resigned. He wasn’t a factor when Watergate went down, leaving him with fairly clean hands by the time he became pres, right? Pence was right part of the campaign. There’s little chance that this happened without him knowing or being involved either. How do you rope in Trump without involving Pence in some way either? He’s easily complicit in some sense.

He’s in it up to his (cold, dead) eyeballs. Remember, it was Manafort who was Pence’s big cheerleader.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:45:49pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

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GTFO then

I made mention in the other thread that Bannon might resign.

I went on to say maybe Bannon would then turn on Trump and start to bring him down along with the help of Jeff Sessions. I based it on the story about Bannon and Sessions picking Trump to be the candidate they could use in their master plan of deconstructing the government.

One thing for sure, I wouldn’t trust Bannon out of my sight.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:46:33pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

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GTFO then

If you threaten to quit if something happens, and it happens, and you don’t quit, your boss knows you are a pushover, and he’ll lose all respect for you.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:47:42pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Sunsetting oh sunsetting

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THAT could qualify as one of the most ridiculous things he’s said. I cannot imagine Cummings saying that, unless it was a punchline to a joke that the yam didn’t understand.

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KGxvi  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:47:54pm

re: #21 Citizen K

The thing about the Ford comparison is…Ford became VP after Agnew fell on his sword and resigned. He wasn’t a factor when Watergate went down, leaving him with fairly clean hands by the time he became pres, right? Pence was right part of the campaign. There’s little chance that this happened without him knowing or being involved either. How do you rope in Trump without involving Pence in some way either? He’s easily complicit in some sense.

There’s a couple of ways this plays out. One is that Pence really didn’t know anything, which is possible but not probable, let alone likely. Maybe he was actually frozen out of the inner circle because Trumpsters believed him to be a shill of the GOP establishment they had been fighting.

The second way, assuming Ryan is still Speaker, is that either members of the House or members of the Senate decide, “oh, fuck that guy, we don’t want him as president.” That’s entirely plausible, even possible. I could see Democrats in the Senate going to Pence and saying something like “we have the votes to remove you, but in order to keep Ryan out of the office, you’re going to nominate Jerry Brown as your vice president - sell it as a unity ticket - and neither of you are running in 2020.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:50:11pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

In general I’m not crazy about boycotts either. But in the case of Breitbart News and Bill O’Reilly it’s literally the only way to hold them accountable.

Is it still a boycott if you never read/watch them in the first place?

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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:52:42pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:52:58pm
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TedStriker  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:53:13pm

re: #31 KGxvi

There’s a couple of ways this plays out. One is that Pence really didn’t know anything, which is possible but not probable, let alone likely. Maybe he was actually frozen out of the inner circle because Trumpsters believed him to be a shill of the GOP establishment they had been fighting.

The second way, assuming Ryan is still Speaker, is that either members of the House or members of the Senate decide, “oh, fuck that guy, we don’t want him as president.” That’s entirely plausible, even possible. I could see Democrats in the Senate going to Pence and saying something like “we have the votes to remove you, but in order to keep Ryan out of the office, you’re going to nominate Jerry Brown as your vice president - sell it as a unity ticket - and neither of you are running in 2020.”

That would be delicious….pretty much a Hail Mary long shot with the GOP the way it is right now, but totally delicious.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:54:41pm
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TedStriker  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:55:18pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

And mail-order catheters and pills for limp dickitus.

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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:57:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:58:06pm

Hey guys. Just got done hosting a virtual townhall for Perirello here. Have to say I was very impressed and I think this is a guy that hopefully has a future in the Democratic Party.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:58:14pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:58:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:58:53pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart

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Next up, President Kushner and President Ivanka.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2017 • 6:59:55pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Hey guys. Just got done hosting a virtual townhall for Perirello here. Have to say I was very impressed and I think this is a guy that hopefully has a future in the Democratic Party.

Good for you Happy.

Was the turnout good size? Any Republicans?

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Skip Intro  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:00:57pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart

I really hope this is true.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:01:46pm

re: #43 ObserverArt

Good for you Happy.

Was the turnout good size? Any Republicans?

Nah all Dems. It was a house party so to speak with 10-12 guests. I’ve never hosted really before outside a couple pre-gaming parties in college.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:02:33pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Next up, President Kushner and President Ivanka.

The press should start writing stories that start with “Today, President Trump, I mean Secretary Kushner…”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:02:55pm

And I know a lot of us myself honestly included aren’t really big Sanders fans but don’t let that scare you away from Perriello, he has a lot of Obama and Clinton people too. I like him because he can be populist without being a demagogue.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:05:35pm

The Expanse…….
Yes! What a great series this has been.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:06:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:08:50pm

Just remembered that trump signed the EO putting Bannon on NSC without reading the EO or knowing Bannon was included in the EO.

foxnews.com
nymag.com
businessinsider.com

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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:09:46pm

I’ve got a big announcement for everyone (even you, Barack).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:10:24pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just remembered that trump signed the EO putting Bannon on NSC without reading the EO and knowing Bannon was included in the EO.

foxnews.com
nymag.com
businessinsider.com

Can you imagine the reaction if Obama or any Democrat had done something like this?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:12:14pm

No new election. We better retake the senate. Or house. Or both next year or it’s all over. If we do, we can make the Trump cabal totally illegitimate and they can take a hike in 2020 if most of them aren’t in prison by then. I’d be totally ok with that.

Then the next President (Dem of course) can undo all of Trump’s bullshit with executive orders just to rub it all in.

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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:13:01pm

Yup.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:13:29pm

McConnell: ‘Nuclear option’ helps Senate. McCain: ‘Whoever says that is a stupid idiot.’

But of course the Makebelieve Maverick will vote right along with him.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:13:47pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

Yup.

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Oh of course.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:14:46pm

And we’ll just sit back with our popcorn.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:15:16pm

re: #55 BeachDem

McConnell: ‘Nuclear option’ helps Senate. McCain: ‘Whoever says that is a stupid idiot.’

But of course the Makebelieve Maverick will vote right along with him.

washingtonpost.com

A stupid idiot you’ve voted for Majority Leader many a time Senator. McCain’s a fraud when it comes to being a maverick. Someone raised a great question about it when one of my college friends called him out on it, when is the last time McCain bucked his party in a way that actually cost his party?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:16:26pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

And we’ll just sit back with our popcorn.

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Jared and Bannon deserve each other’s misery.

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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:18:57pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:19:39pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Jared and Bannon deserve each other’s misery.

That’s the yam’s talent. Making his underlings go all lord of the flies.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:20:08pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

That’s the yam’s talent. Making his underlings go all lord of the flies.

It’s exactly what he wants. His underlings to fight for his love and affection.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:20:54pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

And we’ll just sit back with our popcorn.

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Well, we know that “reliable conservative” is a unicorn-like myth, so Erick Son of Erick is full of shit. But Maggie should really get on that romance novel that is burning in her throbbing chest, rather than play at being a “journalist.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:21:03pm

Goddamn this stuff just reads out of a Shakespeare play about a bigly incompetent monarch. Question for British history buffs. Who does Trump remind you of? My quick choice is Richard II.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:21:45pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

A stupid idiot you’ve voted for Majority Leader many a time Senator. McCain’s a fraud when it comes to being a maverick. Someone raised a great question about it when one of my college friends called him out on it, when is the last time McCain bucked his party in a way that actually cost his party?

McCain is, and always has been, full of shit.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:22:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:24:05pm

re: #65 BeachDem

McCain is, and always has been, full of shit.

He really is. I almost have more respect for someone like Cruz than McCain at this point. McCain talks a big game but when push comes to shove, he’s nothing but a fraud.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:25:29pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart

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The tie’s too short; the gut’s too small.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:25:50pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart

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Garrison’s cartoon is stupid. It’s not Obama’s fault that Trump surrounds himself with members of the American Putin Fanclub.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:26:06pm

re: #68 Belafon

The tie’s too short; the gut’s too small.

Yeah he actually looks like he’s in shape.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:26:27pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

He really is. I almost have more respect for someone like Cruz than McCain at this point. McCain talks a big game but when push comes to shove, he’s nothing but a fraud.

Well, I wouldn’t go THAT far…

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Citizen K  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:28:46pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart

Sometimes, I really wonder how much of a reality we share with these folks. Like…do they really see Trump cutting the kind of action hero physique they keep portraying him as? Are we really fucking seeing the same person here?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:30:14pm

re: #71 BeachDem

Well, I wouldn’t go THAT far…

Yeah too much but I think you get what I mean. I have no respect for McCain’s total fake act.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:30:30pm

Stolen from Balloon Juice:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:30:41pm

re: #72 Citizen K

Sometimes, I really wonder how much of a reality we share with these folks. Like…do they really see Trump cutting the kind of action hero physique they keep portraying him as? Are we really fucking seeing the same person here?

They see him as presidential, Nuff said.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:31:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:31:43pm

re: #74 Belafon

Stolen from Balloon Juice:

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I think in a nutshell you just showed why Citizens United needs to be overturned. Sick of millionaire puppet masters out there.

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stpaulbear  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:33:24pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Goddamn this stuff just reads out of a Shakespeare play about a bigly incompetent monarch. Question for British history buffs. Who does Trump remind you of? My quick choice is Richard II.

When I think of Trump, Bannon and Kushner, I think it must be more like No Exit.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:34:52pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

New election? No thanks. You don’t move ahead by looking back. Say this guy resigns or gets impeached. The quietude of a lame duck President and Republican party till 2020 has a certain appeal at least in comparison to the circus shit show of another election that a court might or might not hold as legit.

If you watch the video, that’s pretty much what Olbermann concludes too. A new election is probably not in the cards, even though it SHOULD BE when something as horrible as this happens.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:35:01pm

re: #78 stpaulbear

When I think of Trump, Bannon and Kushner, I think it must be more like No Exit.

Must confess I’ve not read any Sartre. Bad English minor, HW, bad English minor.

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retired cynic  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:36:21pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

If you watch the video, that’s pretty much what Olbermann concludes too. A new election is probably not in the cards, even though it SHOULD BE when something as horrible as this happens.

I wanted it in November, 2016!

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Skip Intro  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:36:49pm

re: #74 Belafon

This why people in their income bracket need to be taxed at 95%. They don’t create jobs with their money, they create oligarchies.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:36:57pm

While he won’t explicitly say it, Kelly doesn’t like that Canada has no problem with welcoming refugees

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:37:51pm

re: #82 Skip Intro

This why people in their income bracket need to be taxed at 95%. They don’t create jobs with their money, they create oligarchies.

It’ll never happen. But i don’t disagree.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:38:25pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:38:45pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Hmmmm…..This seems like as more plausible scenario:

Londo Mollari Technomage Prophecy

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Skip Intro  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:39:44pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

It’ll never happen. But i don’t disagree.

It did happen, before you were born. There were loopholes, of course, but were nothing like the giveaways to the rich we have now.

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stpaulbear  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:41:03pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Must confess I’ve not read any Sartre. Bad English minor, HW, bad English minor.

It’s the only thing of his that I can recall reading. It was a required text for a class but it made an impression.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:41:09pm

re: #87 Skip Intro

It did happen, before you were born. There were loopholes, of course, but we’re nothing like the giveaways to the rich we have now.

I should have clarified, it’ll never happen again. We’ve got too many damn people who believe “taxation is theft” rather than taxation is something we can use to invest in our nation’s people.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:42:04pm

re: #88 stpaulbear

It’s the only thing of his that I can recall reading. It was a required text for a class but it made an impression.

Would have to say so. I did read Camus’s The Stranger. It weirded me out but I was in 12th grade and not nearly as a mature reader as I am now.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:43:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:45:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:45:34pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

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Agreed 100%.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:46:45pm
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Belafon  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:47:11pm

re: #82 Skip Intro

This why people in their income bracket need to be taxed at 95%. They don’t create jobs with their money, they create oligarchies.

Great point. I will remember that for an argument: You don’t like the wealthy controlling the government, how about forcing them to put that money towards the rest of the country.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:47:33pm

Going off of what Charles is saying. We were told to ignore people like Limbaugh too.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:48:43pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Would have to say so. I did read Camus’s The Stranger. It weirded me out but I was in 12th grade and not nearly as a mature reader as I am now.

My 11th grade son read the Stranger over Christmas.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:49:39pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

I should have clarified, it’ll never happen again. We’ve got too many damn people who believe “taxation is theft” rather than taxation is something we can use to invest in our nation’s people.

And maybe it’s time we gave them the other side: “We either tax the wealthy and use it to improve the country or we let them own the country.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:49:59pm

re: #97 Belafon

My 11th grade son read the Stranger over Christmas.

Did he like it? I must confess I pretty much read only non-fiction in high school but I think The Stranger was a tough read for me because I found Meursault to be such an unlikable protagonist.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:50:50pm

re: #98 Belafon

And maybe it’s time we gave them the other side: “We either tax the wealthy and use it to improve the country or we let them own the country.”

You talk like that and you get accused of “class warfare” even though the right wing engages in it everyday when they demand “wasteful social programs” be cut to pay for their wealthy friends’ tax cuts.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:51:54pm

@realDonaldTrump
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!

Obviously, it was a perfectly crafted message the first time…

@POTUS
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!

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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:53:43pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:54:47pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

re: #93 HappyWarrior

And actually, I think it’s high time to stop calling these evil people trolls.

This is a troll:

See how cute and adorable I am?

What The Rage Furby, Cernovich, Coulter, and their Left Wing bomb-throwing compatriots like Glenn Greenwald are…..

….are Seagulls.

What are the key characteristics of Seagulls?

(1) They fly in from out of nowhere
(2) They make a lot of unwanted noise
(3) They shit of everything
(4) They make more noise
(5) They shit some more
(6) They fly away
(6) They repeat this cycle without warning.

So it’s time we restore the honorable troll and start naming these horrible people what the really are….SEAGULLS!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:54:51pm
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Archangelus  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:55:03pm

re: #86 Eric The Fruit Bat

Hmmmm…..This seems like as more plausible scenario:

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Video

Here’s hoping he’ll be out LONG before that prophecy comes into play.

Just made me wanna rewatch B5 all over again (which i’ll probably do). That show should really be mandatory viewing as far as i’m concerned.

Also, I can’t watch anything Londo related nowadays without reimagining the Morden/Vir dialog with so many prominent political enablers.
As someone wrote elsewhere in that regard:

“Hannity: If Making America Great Again means nothing to you, what does? What do you want?

Vir: I’d like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off our head and stick it on a pike, as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this….Can you and your associates arrange that for me?”

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:55:25pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Did he like it? I must confess I pretty much read only non-fiction in high school but I think The Stranger was a tough read for me because I found Meursault to be such an unlikable protagonist.

My kid said he liked it and he says he connected with Meursault, just because the character’s so blah. If you knew my son you would know why.

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makeitstop  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:56:39pm

re: #103 Eric The Fruit Bat

So it’s time we restore the honorable troll and start naming these horrible people what the really are….SEAGULLS!

Sort of an insult to our Stanley, though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:58:13pm

re: #105 Archangelus

“Who are you?”
“What do you want?”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:58:46pm

re: #106 Belafon

My kid said he liked it and he says he connected with Meursault, just because the character’s so blah. If you knew my son you would know why.

Ah ha. I need to give it another read. I read The Metamorphosis that same year and didn’t like it but re-read it 6 years later as an English minor as well as Kafka’s The Trial and appreciated both. Still prefer more linear structure and more conventional stories but it wasn’t WTF THIS GUY’S A BUG!

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retired cynic  Apr 5, 2017 • 7:59:32pm

re: #103 Eric The Fruit Bat

And actually, I think it’s high time to stop calling these evil people trolls.

This is a troll:

[Embedded content]

What The Rage Furby, Cernovich, Coulter, and their Left wing compatriots like Glenn Greenwald are…..

….are Seagulls.

What are the key characteristics of Seagulls?

(1) They fly in from out of nowhere
(2) They make a lot of unwanted noise
(3) They shit of everything
(4) They make more noise
(5) They flay away
(6) They repeat this cycle without warning.

So it’s time we restore the honorable troll and start naming these horrible people what the really are….SEAGULLS!

Stanley won’t thank you for that!

111
teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:00:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:02:06pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:03:27pm

re: #107 makeitstop

re: #110 retired cynic

Hey-Our Stanley is cool. She never fouls up our place like the other Seagulls I mention do. She’s a perfect specimen of impeccably clean Seagull hygiene behavior and is a valued member of the Lizard brigade as far as I’m concerned.

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retired cynic  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:04:02pm

re: #113 Eric The Fruit Bat

Hey-Our Stanley is cool. He never fouls up our place like the other Seagulls I mention do. He’s perfect specimen of Seagull behavior as far as I’m concerned.

She.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:04:25pm

Reminded once again that there are a lot of people in this country whose heads are completely full of idiotic bullshit.

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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:04:43pm

re: #114 retired cynic

She.

Yeah, Stanley Sea is a woman.

Believe me, at first I was confused too.

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retired cynic  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:05:44pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

Yeah, Stanley Sea is a woman.

Believe me, at first I was confused too.

That’s why I lurked for so long. And I still step in it now and again!

118
Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:06:07pm

re: #114 retired cynic

Corrected.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:06:35pm

re: #117 retired cynic

That’s why I lurked for so long. And I still step in it now and again!

Confession time, I thought Wheatdogg, our Lizard who teaches in China was a woman for a while. D’oh.

120
teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:07:46pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Confession time, I thought Wheatdogg, our Lizard who teaches in China was a woman for a while. D’oh.

Happens to the best of us. Luckily for me, there is no ambiguity as to my gender in my LGF moniker. Heh.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:07:56pm

He just opens his mouth and bullshit spills out. It’s like his superpower.

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Citizen K  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:08:59pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

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The amount of people who want to chalk Hillary up as the end all be all reason that Trump won simply fucking depresses me. God help me how many of my contemporaries have bought into exactly that and remain full on Berniacs.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:10:28pm

re: #105 Archangelus

“Hannity: If Making America Great Again means nothing to you, what does? What do you want?

Vir: I’d like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off our head and stick it on a pike, as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this….Can you and your associates arrange that for me?”

I love it. That’s a keeper.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:11:00pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:13:08pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Alzheimer’s Disease.

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teleskiguy  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:15:26pm

Incredible images from the brand new GOES-16 weather satellite.

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retired cynic  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:18:34pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

Wow! Gorgeous! (Um, the picture, not the reality!)

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:20:44pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Ah ha. I need to give it another read. I read The Metamorphosis that same year and didn’t like it but re-read it 6 years later as an English minor as well as Kafka’s The Trial and appreciated both. Still prefer more linear structure and more conventional stories but it wasn’t WTF THIS GUY’S A BUG!

Just to give you an idea, my 17 year old loves Daria.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:21:05pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Cummings probably said Trump would be a prominent historical figure, and he just assumed it was a compliment.

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allegro  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:23:32pm

re: #129 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Cummings probably said Trump would be a prominent historical figure, and he just assumed it was a compliment.

I was thinking he said something like his presidency would go down in history or something similar. Of course he meant historically disastrous and probably ending with Trump in prison.

131
Citizen K  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:24:59pm

Because seriously: body cams aren’t going to work unless they’re mandatory. It’s questionable how effective they are in general, but opt-out makes sure they won’t do their job.

132
GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:27:10pm

Body cams “malfunction”. I propose Ghost in The Shell style implants. :))))

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:28:09pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

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The complete, but succinct argument on why ignoring doesn’t work:

Because the right wing, as it stands, has its own culture, and what occurs inside that culture is only dimly connected to the perceptions of the rest of the world. That we ignore a figure within this demimonde does not mean they won’t succeed, attain fame, become influential.

This was true long before the current Derp Days of people like Chuck C Johnson. Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye, Mike Warnke, Carl Raschke. More recently, people like Walid Shoebat and anybody that crops up on RightWingWatch. There’s an entire constellation of culture-figures that don’t register with the rest of the world, whose ideas have become gospel truth inside the enclosed culture, who are deemed scholars and philosophers and geniuses.

Which is pretty much why US conservatism isn’t “conservatism” in any political sense. It’s a cult, because it’s all about maintaining that solidarity of the in-group by connecting with a pantheon of authority figures. Alternate perspectives expressed aloud are attack; alternate thoughts are corruption or delusion; being different is contagious. They delve into conspiracy logic because it maintains that sense of separation, yet also explains why they fail….why they fail to win, why they fail to draw others in, why they fail morally, why they fail to feel a whole and good as they imagine they should.

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William Lewis  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:29:14pm

re: #97 Belafon

My 11th grade son read the Stranger over Christmas.

Be sure to hand him a copy of “The Myth of Sisyphus” . The Stranger makes much more sense then.

It’s funny but I always felt Camus was the better philosopher than Sarte but Sarte was the better literary writer despite that they are considered the other way around.

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calochortus  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:33:32pm

Good evening everyone. Mr. C. and I just returned from a quick trip south to enjoy some wildflowers. Also, lots and lots of lizards, a gorgeous gopher snake that seemed not to understand that a dirt road wasn’t a great spot to lounge around, and lots of birds.

I wish we had longer, but the schedule just didn’t permit it.

The Carrizo Plain and Temblor Range are in full flower, Soda Lake actually contains water. The photo shows mostly yellow flowers (mostly monolopia, but lots of goldfields as well) but when you are there you also see large patches of violet blue phacelia (which are also extremely fragrant,) layia (creamy with yellow centers,) delphiniums, baby blue eyes, orange amsinkium, some poppies (mostly up in the Temblors) and on and on.

Carrizo Plain across Soda Lake to the Temblor Range

Delphiniums and goldfields.
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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:33:56pm

re: #133 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

You have absolutely nailed it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 5, 2017 • 8:36:40pm

re: #133 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Sadly, you are correct.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 5, 2017 • 9:30:19pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Must confess I’ve not read any Sartre. Bad English minor, HW, bad English minor.

“Anti-Semite and Jew” is pretty rockin’.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2017 • 10:42:48pm

re: #130 allegro

I was thinking he said something like his presidency would go down in history or something similar. Of course he meant historically disastrous and probably ending with Trump in prison.

I said earlier it was probably a punch line to a joke the yam didn’t understand (or, as somebody else said—it was probably Ben Carson, but to Trump “they” all look alike.)


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