New From Keith Olbermann: So, You Wanna Have a New Election?
It would be wild and dangerous, but so are these times
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It’s a fascinating interpretation of the Constitution. It’s entirely possible. It’s highly unlikely. We should strive to make it happen.
After defending O’Reilly, what will Trump do next for Sexual Assault Awareness Month? Give Bill Cosby the Presidential Medal of Freedom?
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) April 6, 2017
Jack Shafer, Politico’s “senior media writer” has a dumbass take on the O’Reilly boycott.
Not in Defense of Bill O’Reilly
But against calls for advertiser boycotts.
His argument boils down to:
The O’Reilly boycott is a bad idea. Even if you hate the guy, think of it this way: It may end up energizing calls for advertising boycotts against the on-air talent you like, inspiring timidity among ad buyers who are already too timid.
Here is the thing: if it becomes clear that on-air talent I like is a serial sexual harasser I will not like them anymore.
“Already too timid” ad buyers had no problem with Billo when he was only accused of sexually harassing one employee 13 years ago and, more recently, assaulting his wife. I will go ahead and roll the dice that advertisers will not desert someone of higher personal integrity who happens to have an unpopular opinion.
Edit:
His final advice is this:
If you don’t like O’Reilly and want to protest his alleged behavior, here’s my advice: Don’t watch his rotten show.
I never visit Breitbart or Infowars…but my ignoring them didn’t prevent them from helping an orange colored sociopathic misogynist from getting elected POTUS.
New election? No thanks. You don’t move ahead by looking back. Say this guy resigns or gets impeached. The quietude of a lame duck President and Republican party till 2020 has a certain appeal at least in comparison to the circus shit show of another election that a court might or might not hold as legit.
re: #3 bratwurst
Because conservatives never boycotted anyone before. I guess the Dixie Chicks were unavailable for comment.
Anyone else occasionally look into what people like John Schindler, Rick Wilson, and Tom Nichols post? I had been warned about Schindler. Now that the “revelations” about Susan Rice unmasking have come out and the chemical attacks in Syria have taken place they are unhesitant to use it to attack Susan Rice and Obama to try to keep their conservative cred. Rice apparently was loathed by IC because she was coarse and asked for border-line (unspecified) illegal things (so she warrants an investigation); Trump has something on the accusation about Obama leaving a mess for him….
Fuck ‘em.
In general I’m not crazy about boycotts either. But in the case of Breitbart News and Bill O’Reilly it’s literally the only way to hold them accountable.
re: #3 bratwurst
Everyone’s got a take on these boycotts.
These businesses look at the bottom line. They think their brands are harmed by associations with O’Reilly now and going forward.
They didn’t have a problem before, when those accusations were swirling about, let alone Fox News’ Ailes and all of his sex harassment actions going on.
They didn’t have problems with Fox News embroiled in multiple sex harassment suits, or the ensuing settlements.
It was all business as usual.
So what changed that these businesses decided that O’Reilly’s actions were above and beyond what they’d be willing to accept?
I’m not sure.
But then again, I’m not sure why they didn’t act sooner. Patterns of sex harassment at Fox have been visible for a while, and their coverup/settlement mode has been documented for a while.
Olbermann is wrong a major point. Though he’s right on two other points. I wrote a page about it a while back.
First, he’s wrong about relying on Article II, Section 1, Clause 6. Section 1 of the 25th Amendment makes it very clear:
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
The Tyler Precedent is the constitutional mandate now.
Second, he’s right about a new law being necessary to deal with succession beyond the Vice President. As I mentioned in that page above, the Presidential Succession Act of 1792 allowed for a special election in the even of a vacancy in the President and Vice-President. It’s possible something like that law could pass, if things go completely sideways - but it would take veto proof majorities in both houses to pass (and Ryan, who would benefit from the removal of both Trump and Pence, to agree to let it go forward).
Third, he’s right that it’s the next election that matters.
Long thread, around 24 tweets, some double numbered, and a few .5 tweets. Last appears to be #19
2/NSA conducts foreign intelligence surveillance. NSA generally “masks” US person identities when it produces intelligence reports.
— Carrie Cordero (@carriecordero) April 6, 2017
re: #3 bratwurst
Jack Shafer, Politico’s “senior media writer” has a dumbass take on the O’Reilly boycott.
Not in Defense of Bill O’Reilly
But against calls for advertiser boycotts.His argument boils down to:
Here is the thing: if it becomes clear that on-air talent I like is a serial sexual harasser I will not like them anymore.
“Already too timid” ad buyers had no problem with Billo when he was only accused of sexually harassing one employee 13 years ago and, more recently, assaulting his wife. I will go ahead and roll the dice that advertisers will not desert someone of higher personal integrity who happens to have an unpopular opinion.
UPDATE: 50 advertisers have dropped Bill O’Reilly over charges of sexual harassment https://t.co/FQ1h8efyg2 pic.twitter.com/6iFhZtVVFa
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) April 6, 2017
re: #4 Unshaken Defiance
New election? No thanks. You don’t move ahead by looking back. Say this guy resigns or gets impeached. The quietude of a lame duck President and Republican party till 2020 has a certain appeal at least in comparison to the circus shit show of another election that a court might or might not hold as legit.
If Trump resigns or is impeached, Pence’s best case scenario is Gerald Ford. Be good enough to not let the entire republic collapse, but know you’re screwed in the next election.
There’s no way that there isn’t 7+ candidates on the GOP side if Trump is tossed before 2020. Half the GOP base will be in open revolt. The other half will be too ashamed to admit they’re Republicans. And even if Pence gets to the general, he’ll likely be trounced by whoever the Dems nominate.
@seanhannity Yah, right. By the way, when are you going to get waterboarded for charity like u promised a decade ago? Were you lying or just a coward?
— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) April 5, 2017
On the Senate floor, Al Franken speaking now against the Gorsuch nomination, but starts his comments about the gas attack in Syria.
NYT: Bannon threatened to quit https://t.co/ZlzndQ2TyK pic.twitter.com/Fd9B7cx4pG
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) April 6, 2017
GTFO then
re: #15 Stanley Sea
With all the anonymous sources in stories about the chaos that is the Trump Administration, I gotta say… the political memoirs that will come in 4 years time are going to be fascinating.
@Nate_Cohn GOP Mailer in the GA-06 pic.twitter.com/RrObu3uFQ2
— peyton edwards (@peytoned) April 5, 2017
re: #15 Stanley Sea
NYT: Bannon threatened to quit nytimes.com pic.twitter.com
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) April 6, 2017
GTFO then
Oh please, please, please….
re: #5 Timothy Watson
Because conservatives never boycotted anyone before. I guess the Dixie Chicks were unavailable for comment.
But when they did comment, they won all the Grammys!
re: #12 KGxvi
If Trump resigns or is impeached, Pence’s best case scenario is Gerald Ford. Be good enough to not let the entire republic collapse, but know you’re screwed in the next election.
There’s no way that there isn’t 7+ candidates on the GOP side if Trump is tossed before 2020. Half the GOP base will be in open revolt. The other half will be too ashamed to admit they’re Republicans. And even if Pence gets to the general, he’ll likely be trounced by whoever the Dems nominate.
The thing about the Ford comparison is…Ford became VP after Agnew fell on his sword and resigned. He wasn’t a factor when Watergate went down, leaving him with fairly clean hands by the time he became pres, right? Pence was right part of the campaign. There’s little chance that this happened without him knowing or being involved either. How do you rope in Trump without involving Pence in some way either? He’s easily complicit in some sense.
re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth
@seanhannity Yah, right. By the way, when are you going to get waterboarded for charity like u promised a decade ago? Were you lying or just a coward?
— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) April 5, 2017
Please, please, let it be confirmed.
If Lumpy was talking to a known Russian agent, and someone with clearance and a need to know requested the name of the American stooge who had been caught in the net, it is legal.
re: #3 bratwurst
Jack Shafer, Politico’s “senior media writer” has a dumbass take on the O’Reilly boycott.
Not in Defense of Bill O’Reilly
But against calls for advertiser boycotts.His argument boils down to:
Here is the thing: if it becomes clear that on-air talent I like is a serial sexual harasser I will not like them anymore.
“Already too timid” ad buyers had no problem with Billo when he was only accused of sexually harassing one employee 13 years ago and, more recently, assaulting his wife. I will go ahead and roll the dice that advertisers will not desert someone of higher personal integrity who happens to have an unpopular opinion.
His is one of those arguments that sounds plausible in theory but tends to fall apart in practice. The fact is that the commercial drivers behind most of our culture trend towards liberal values. Conservatives have tried dozens of times to boycott companies like Disney, Target, Starbucks, etc for promoting liberal values and each time those boycotts have failed. Conversely the consumer boycotts of North Carolina, Breitbart, O’Reilly have actually driven advertisers away and had a real effect on profitability.
Here’s my take though, if conservatives want to equate money with free speech under the Citizen’s United ruling then that sword cuts both ways. On top of that people have a basic 1st Amendment right beyond speech, that of free association. There’s no more pure exercise of one’s civil rights than making it known what you will and will not support not only in terms of speech and protest but in terms of what you will and won’t pay for. This is in fact one of the few if only levers the masses have over our corporations and billionaires who abusively wield their money under current law in the manner of the Japanese term “Oni ni kanabo,” which means to give an ogre an iron club.
Sunsetting oh sunsetting
Trump says Elijah Cummings told him, “You will go down as one of the great presidents in the history of our country” https://t.co/mfSqaTmuzv pic.twitter.com/m5oRMutOgS
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) April 6, 2017
re: #24 Stanley Sea
Should I rent a backhoe for the shit storm? Or just get a big shovel?
Of course I am being sarcastic and of course a cynic but this is getting really messy.
re: #24 Stanley Sea
It was probably Ben Carson who said that and trump didn’t know the difference…
re: #21 Citizen K
The thing about the Ford comparison is…Ford became VP after Agnew fell on his sword and resigned. He wasn’t a factor when Watergate went down, leaving him with fairly clean hands by the time he became pres, right? Pence was right part of the campaign. There’s little chance that this happened without him knowing or being involved either. How do you rope in Trump without involving Pence in some way either? He’s easily complicit in some sense.
He’s in it up to his (cold, dead) eyeballs. Remember, it was Manafort who was Pence’s big cheerleader.
re: #15 Stanley Sea
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GTFO then
I made mention in the other thread that Bannon might resign.
I went on to say maybe Bannon would then turn on Trump and start to bring him down along with the help of Jeff Sessions. I based it on the story about Bannon and Sessions picking Trump to be the candidate they could use in their master plan of deconstructing the government.
One thing for sure, I wouldn’t trust Bannon out of my sight.
re: #15 Stanley Sea
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GTFO then
If you threaten to quit if something happens, and it happens, and you don’t quit, your boss knows you are a pushover, and he’ll lose all respect for you.
re: #24 Stanley Sea
Sunsetting oh sunsetting
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THAT could qualify as one of the most ridiculous things he’s said. I cannot imagine Cummings saying that, unless it was a punchline to a joke that the yam didn’t understand.
re: #21 Citizen K
The thing about the Ford comparison is…Ford became VP after Agnew fell on his sword and resigned. He wasn’t a factor when Watergate went down, leaving him with fairly clean hands by the time he became pres, right? Pence was right part of the campaign. There’s little chance that this happened without him knowing or being involved either. How do you rope in Trump without involving Pence in some way either? He’s easily complicit in some sense.
There’s a couple of ways this plays out. One is that Pence really didn’t know anything, which is possible but not probable, let alone likely. Maybe he was actually frozen out of the inner circle because Trumpsters believed him to be a shill of the GOP establishment they had been fighting.
The second way, assuming Ryan is still Speaker, is that either members of the House or members of the Senate decide, “oh, fuck that guy, we don’t want him as president.” That’s entirely plausible, even possible. I could see Democrats in the Senate going to Pence and saying something like “we have the votes to remove you, but in order to keep Ryan out of the office, you’re going to nominate Jerry Brown as your vice president - sell it as a unity ticket - and neither of you are running in 2020.”
re: #7 Charles Johnson
In general I’m not crazy about boycotts either. But in the case of Breitbart News and Bill O’Reilly it’s literally the only way to hold them accountable.
Is it still a boycott if you never read/watch them in the first place?
12. The only companies willing to buy ads on @oreillyfactor involve old white dudes in golf carts. Of course. pic.twitter.com/Ydt2LwX1zn
— Yashar (@yashar) April 6, 2017
@seanhannity Chuck C Johnson aka “Rage Furby” Sean, really? @JoeNBC was right. You have reached new lows.
— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) April 6, 2017
re: #31 KGxvi
There’s a couple of ways this plays out. One is that Pence really didn’t know anything, which is possible but not probable, let alone likely. Maybe he was actually frozen out of the inner circle because Trumpsters believed him to be a shill of the GOP establishment they had been fighting.
The second way, assuming Ryan is still Speaker, is that either members of the House or members of the Senate decide, “oh, fuck that guy, we don’t want him as president.” That’s entirely plausible, even possible. I could see Democrats in the Senate going to Pence and saying something like “we have the votes to remove you, but in order to keep Ryan out of the office, you’re going to nominate Jerry Brown as your vice president - sell it as a unity ticket - and neither of you are running in 2020.”
That would be delicious….pretty much a Hail Mary long shot with the GOP the way it is right now, but totally delicious.
Heartbroken and outraged by the images coming out of Syria following the atrocious chemical attack yesterday.
— Ivanka Trump (@IvankaTrump) April 5, 2017
if only someone were in a position to do something about the people who need to leave and can’t https://t.co/gH7AomcRjR
— andrea grimes (@andreagrimes) April 6, 2017
re: #33 teleskiguy
And mail-order catheters and pills for limp dickitus.
ok it is time again for that pup dancing to totos africa it is timehttps://t.co/w8wZNLtqNX
— darth:™ (@darth) October 21, 2016
Hey guys. Just got done hosting a virtual townhall for Perirello here. Have to say I was very impressed and I think this is a guy that hopefully has a future in the Democratic Party.
Liberals started calling him President Bannon just to troll Trump and cause trouble and it worked. https://t.co/GMIyMZMYrM pic.twitter.com/ixkeYRwt8f
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) April 6, 2017
1-900-Blame-a-Negro
YAAAAAS?
This is the Donald, I need a Negro to blame. You got any other than Obama?
Sure, Here’s Susan Rice….#boybye— Michael W. Twitty (@KosherSoul) April 6, 2017
re: #39 HappyWarrior
Hey guys. Just got done hosting a virtual townhall for Perirello here. Have to say I was very impressed and I think this is a guy that hopefully has a future in the Democratic Party.
Good for you Happy.
Was the turnout good size? Any Republicans?
re: #40 FormerDirtDart
I really hope this is true.
re: #43 ObserverArt
Good for you Happy.
Was the turnout good size? Any Republicans?
Nah all Dems. It was a house party so to speak with 10-12 guests. I’ve never hosted really before outside a couple pre-gaming parties in college.
re: #42 HappyWarrior
Next up, President Kushner and President Ivanka.
The press should start writing stories that start with “Today, President Trump, I mean Secretary Kushner…”
And I know a lot of us myself honestly included aren’t really big Sanders fans but don’t let that scare you away from Perriello, he has a lot of Obama and Clinton people too. I like him because he can be populist without being a demagogue.
The Expanse…….
Yes! What a great series this has been.
Just a reminder Assad used chemical weapons against civilians and then bombed the hospital treating them, and we got a ‘boy I don’t know’
— Loren D. Schulman (@LorenRaeDeJ) April 6, 2017
Just remembered that trump signed the EO putting Bannon on NSC without reading the EO or knowing Bannon was included in the EO.
I’ve got a big announcement for everyone (even you, Barack).
I’ve got a big announcement for everyone (even you, Barack).pic.twitter.com/cnpwck45cq
— Late Night Donald (@LateNightDonald) April 4, 2017
re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth
Just remembered that trump signed the EO putting Bannon on NSC without reading the EO and knowing Bannon was included in the EO.
Can you imagine the reaction if Obama or any Democrat had done something like this?
No new election. We better retake the senate. Or house. Or both next year or it’s all over. If we do, we can make the Trump cabal totally illegitimate and they can take a hike in 2020 if most of them aren’t in prison by then. I’d be totally ok with that.
Then the next President (Dem of course) can undo all of Trump’s bullshit with executive orders just to rub it all in.
Yup.
My strong suspicion is that Trump has no idea who Susan Rice is; could not identify a photo of her or describe her career at all.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) April 6, 2017
McConnell: ‘Nuclear option’ helps Senate. McCain: ‘Whoever says that is a stupid idiot.’
But of course the Makebelieve Maverick will vote right along with him.
And we’ll just sit back with our popcorn.
@maggieNYT The timing of your story comes as a reliable conservative tells me it is increasingly obvious Cohn and Kushner are being sabotaged by Bannon
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) April 6, 2017
re: #55 BeachDem
McConnell: ‘Nuclear option’ helps Senate. McCain: ‘Whoever says that is a stupid idiot.’
But of course the Makebelieve Maverick will vote right along with him.
A stupid idiot you’ve voted for Majority Leader many a time Senator. McCain’s a fraud when it comes to being a maverick. Someone raised a great question about it when one of my college friends called him out on it, when is the last time McCain bucked his party in a way that actually cost his party?
re: #57 Stanley Sea
And we’ll just sit back with our popcorn.
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Jared and Bannon deserve each other’s misery.
re: #57 Stanley Sea
Kushner has privately expressed concerns about Bannon, saying he appeals to Trump’s worst instincts. https://t.co/LfdlQIGt0a
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) April 6, 2017
My read of this: Kushner is concerned that Bannon might convince Fuckface Von Clownstick to start a nuclear war. Ye Gods! https://t.co/f41UFvz2yw
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) April 6, 2017
re: #59 HappyWarrior
Jared and Bannon deserve each other’s misery.
That’s the yam’s talent. Making his underlings go all lord of the flies.
re: #61 Stanley Sea
That’s the yam’s talent. Making his underlings go all lord of the flies.
It’s exactly what he wants. His underlings to fight for his love and affection.
re: #57 Stanley Sea
And we’ll just sit back with our popcorn.
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Well, we know that “reliable conservative” is a unicorn-like myth, so Erick Son of Erick is full of shit. But Maggie should really get on that romance novel that is burning in her throbbing chest, rather than play at being a “journalist.”
Goddamn this stuff just reads out of a Shakespeare play about a bigly incompetent monarch. Question for British history buffs. Who does Trump remind you of? My quick choice is Richard II.
re: #58 HappyWarrior
A stupid idiot you’ve voted for Majority Leader many a time Senator. McCain’s a fraud when it comes to being a maverick. Someone raised a great question about it when one of my college friends called him out on it, when is the last time McCain bucked his party in a way that actually cost his party?
McCain is, and always has been, full of shit.
re: #65 BeachDem
McCain is, and always has been, full of shit.
He really is. I almost have more respect for someone like Cruz than McCain at this point. McCain talks a big game but when push comes to shove, he’s nothing but a fraud.
re: #66 FormerDirtDart
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Garrison’s cartoon is stupid. It’s not Obama’s fault that Trump surrounds himself with members of the American Putin Fanclub.
re: #68 Belafon
The tie’s too short; the gut’s too small.
Yeah he actually looks like he’s in shape.
re: #67 HappyWarrior
He really is. I almost have more respect for someone like Cruz than McCain at this point. McCain talks a big game but when push comes to shove, he’s nothing but a fraud.
Well, I wouldn’t go THAT far…
re: #66 FormerDirtDart
Sometimes, I really wonder how much of a reality we share with these folks. Like…do they really see Trump cutting the kind of action hero physique they keep portraying him as? Are we really fucking seeing the same person here?
re: #71 BeachDem
Well, I wouldn’t go THAT far…
Yeah too much but I think you get what I mean. I have no respect for McCain’s total fake act.
Stolen from Balloon Juice:
Coolest visualization you’ll see this week: the Mercer-Bannon-Trump web ‘o money, via @zubakskees/@publici https://t.co/KggQ5MN0fs pic.twitter.com/T57k2TllyT
— Dave Levinthal (@davelevinthal) April 4, 2017
re: #72 Citizen K
Sometimes, I really wonder how much of a reality we share with these folks. Like…do they really see Trump cutting the kind of action hero physique they keep portraying him as? Are we really fucking seeing the same person here?
They see him as presidential, Nuff said.
At approximately 11:00am tomorrow, the Senate will proceed to a roll call vote on the motion to invoke cloture on the Gorsuch nomination.
— Senate Cloakroom (@SenateCloakroom) April 6, 2017
re: #74 Belafon
Stolen from Balloon Juice:
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I think in a nutshell you just showed why Citizens United needs to be overturned. Sick of millionaire puppet masters out there.
re: #4 Unshaken Defiance
New election? No thanks. You don’t move ahead by looking back. Say this guy resigns or gets impeached. The quietude of a lame duck President and Republican party till 2020 has a certain appeal at least in comparison to the circus shit show of another election that a court might or might not hold as legit.
If you watch the video, that’s pretty much what Olbermann concludes too. A new election is probably not in the cards, even though it SHOULD BE when something as horrible as this happens.
re: #79 Charles Johnson
If you watch the video, that’s pretty much what Olbermann concludes too. A new election is probably not in the cards, even though it SHOULD BE when something as horrible as this happens.
I wanted it in November, 2016!
re: #74 Belafon
This why people in their income bracket need to be taxed at 95%. They don’t create jobs with their money, they create oligarchies.
While he won’t explicitly say it, Kelly doesn’t like that Canada has no problem with welcoming refugees
Senators tried three times to get Trump’s homeland security chief to express concern about the Canadian border. He wouldn’t do it: pic.twitter.com/NoqSCCSx4n
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 6, 2017
re: #82 Skip Intro
This why people in their income bracket need to be taxed at 95%. They don’t create jobs with their money, they create oligarchies.
It’ll never happen. But i don’t disagree.
I call Chuck C. Johnson “Rage Furby” & it sounds funny. But there’s nothing funny about Chuck. He’s involved in a lot of horrible stuff.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 6, 2017
re: #84 HappyWarrior
It’ll never happen. But i don’t disagree.
It did happen, before you were born. There were loopholes, of course, but were nothing like the giveaways to the rich we have now.
re: #80 HappyWarrior
Must confess I’ve not read any Sartre. Bad English minor, HW, bad English minor.
It’s the only thing of his that I can recall reading. It was a required text for a class but it made an impression.
re: #87 Skip Intro
It did happen, before you were born. There were loopholes, of course, but we’re nothing like the giveaways to the rich we have now.
I should have clarified, it’ll never happen again. We’ve got too many damn people who believe “taxation is theft” rather than taxation is something we can use to invest in our nation’s people.
re: #88 stpaulbear
It’s the only thing of his that I can recall reading. It was a required text for a class but it made an impression.
Would have to say so. I did read Camus’s The Stranger. It weirded me out but I was in 12th grade and not nearly as a mature reader as I am now.
And we shouldn’t just brush him off as an ineffectual clown. He’s working hard to spread evil bullshit in this country.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 6, 2017
And he obviously has support from very influential people like @seanhannity. He’s not just a joke.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 6, 2017
.@seanhannity It’s a huge mistake to think you can just ignore people like Cernovich and Chuck C. Johnson.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 6, 2017
.@seanhannity These people are incredibly obsessive about promoting their horrible regressive ideas, and ignoring them HELPS them do it.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 6, 2017
re: #82 Skip Intro
This why people in their income bracket need to be taxed at 95%. They don’t create jobs with their money, they create oligarchies.
Great point. I will remember that for an argument: You don’t like the wealthy controlling the government, how about forcing them to put that money towards the rest of the country.
Going off of what Charles is saying. We were told to ignore people like Limbaugh too.
re: #90 HappyWarrior
Would have to say so. I did read Camus’s The Stranger. It weirded me out but I was in 12th grade and not nearly as a mature reader as I am now.
My 11th grade son read the Stranger over Christmas.
re: #89 HappyWarrior
I should have clarified, it’ll never happen again. We’ve got too many damn people who believe “taxation is theft” rather than taxation is something we can use to invest in our nation’s people.
And maybe it’s time we gave them the other side: “We either tax the wealthy and use it to improve the country or we let them own the country.”
re: #97 Belafon
My 11th grade son read the Stranger over Christmas.
Did he like it? I must confess I pretty much read only non-fiction in high school but I think The Stranger was a tough read for me because I found Meursault to be such an unlikable protagonist.
re: #98 Belafon
And maybe it’s time we gave them the other side: “We either tax the wealthy and use it to improve the country or we let them own the country.”
You talk like that and you get accused of “class warfare” even though the right wing engages in it everyday when they demand “wasteful social programs” be cut to pay for their wealthy friends’ tax cuts.
@realDonaldTrump
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!https://t.co/XGOQPHywrt pic.twitter.com/B5Qbn6llzE
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 6, 2017
Criticized for going off on strange tangents, Trump tweets the mantra the GOP wants to hear. https://t.co/fyG0HPttgm
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) April 6, 2017
Obviously, it was a perfectly crafted message the first time…
@POTUS
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!https://t.co/blq753IwPR pic.twitter.com/AXInsnXatf
— President Trump (@POTUS) April 6, 2017
I’m not one to retweet whole tweet storms. Thing is this human demon fuck named Chuck C. Johnson needs to be marginalized, he’s sick.
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) April 6, 2017
re: #92 Charles Johnson
re: #93 HappyWarrior
And actually, I think it’s high time to stop calling these evil people trolls.
This is a troll:
What The Rage Furby, Cernovich, Coulter, and their Left Wing bomb-throwing compatriots like Glenn Greenwald are…..
….are Seagulls.
What are the key characteristics of Seagulls?
(1) They fly in from out of nowhere
(2) They make a lot of unwanted noise
(3) They shit of everything
(4) They make more noise
(5) They shit some more
(6) They fly away
(6) They repeat this cycle without warning.
So it’s time we restore the honorable troll and start naming these horrible people what the really are….SEAGULLS!
@funnsylvania @seanhannity I could not possibly disagree more. This attitude is what gave us a president named Trump.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 6, 2017
re: #86 Eric The Fruit Bat
Hmmmm…..This seems like as more plausible scenario:
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Here’s hoping he’ll be out LONG before that prophecy comes into play.
Just made me wanna rewatch B5 all over again (which i’ll probably do). That show should really be mandatory viewing as far as i’m concerned.
Also, I can’t watch anything Londo related nowadays without reimagining the Morden/Vir dialog with so many prominent political enablers.
As someone wrote elsewhere in that regard:
“Hannity: If Making America Great Again means nothing to you, what does? What do you want?
Vir: I’d like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off our head and stick it on a pike, as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this….Can you and your associates arrange that for me?”
re: #99 HappyWarrior
Did he like it? I must confess I pretty much read only non-fiction in high school but I think The Stranger was a tough read for me because I found Meursault to be such an unlikable protagonist.
My kid said he liked it and he says he connected with Meursault, just because the character’s so blah. If you knew my son you would know why.
re: #103 Eric The Fruit Bat
So it’s time we restore the honorable troll and start naming these horrible people what the really are….SEAGULLS!
Sort of an insult to our Stanley, though.
re: #105 Archangelus
“Who are you?”
“What do you want?”
re: #106 Belafon
My kid said he liked it and he says he connected with Meursault, just because the character’s so blah. If you knew my son you would know why.
Ah ha. I need to give it another read. I read The Metamorphosis that same year and didn’t like it but re-read it 6 years later as an English minor as well as Kafka’s The Trial and appreciated both. Still prefer more linear structure and more conventional stories but it wasn’t WTF THIS GUY’S A BUG!
re: #103 Eric The Fruit Bat
And actually, I think it’s high time to stop calling these evil people trolls.
This is a troll:
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What The Rage Furby, Cernovich, Coulter, and their Left wing compatriots like Glenn Greenwald are…..
….are Seagulls.
What are the key characteristics of Seagulls?
(1) They fly in from out of nowhere
(2) They make a lot of unwanted noise
(3) They shit of everything
(4) They make more noise
(5) They flay away
(6) They repeat this cycle without warning.So it’s time we restore the honorable troll and start naming these horrible people what the really are….SEAGULLS!
Stanley won’t thank you for that!
“I don’t say anything that I don’t believe.” -“Weird Mike” @Cernovich
Cernovich on Trump in 2006
HT @ChrisWarcraft https://t.co/ib4DDRkgHe pic.twitter.com/dZz1aCBKBp— Vic Berger IV (@VicBergerIV) April 6, 2017
@Citizen_Kryptik Never mind. This one just revealed himself as a Hillary hater. No point going any further.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 6, 2017
re: #113 Eric The Fruit Bat
Hey-Our Stanley is cool. He never fouls up our place like the other Seagulls I mention do. He’s perfect specimen of Seagull behavior as far as I’m concerned.
She.
Reminded once again that there are a lot of people in this country whose heads are completely full of idiotic bullshit.
re: #116 teleskiguy
Yeah, Stanley Sea is a woman.
Believe me, at first I was confused too.
That’s why I lurked for so long. And I still step in it now and again!
re: #117 retired cynic
That’s why I lurked for so long. And I still step in it now and again!
Confession time, I thought Wheatdogg, our Lizard who teaches in China was a woman for a while. D’oh.
re: #119 HappyWarrior
Confession time, I thought Wheatdogg, our Lizard who teaches in China was a woman for a while. D’oh.
Happens to the best of us. Luckily for me, there is no ambiguity as to my gender in my LGF moniker. Heh.
Um I think they knew at least one thing about where it was going pic.twitter.com/0wqqm9CeOs
— Jason Bailey (@jasondashbailey) April 6, 2017
He just opens his mouth and bullshit spills out. It’s like his superpower.
re: #112 Charles Johnson
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The amount of people who want to chalk Hillary up as the end all be all reason that Trump won simply fucking depresses me. God help me how many of my contemporaries have bought into exactly that and remain full on Berniacs.
re: #105 Archangelus
“Hannity: If Making America Great Again means nothing to you, what does? What do you want?
Vir: I’d like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off our head and stick it on a pike, as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this….Can you and your associates arrange that for me?”
I love it. That’s a keeper.
I am very skeptical @RepCummings told Trump he would be one of the greatest presidents ever. https://t.co/G58PAvBnqf pic.twitter.com/UOdpfZA0Ox
— Kevin Robillard (@PoliticoKevin) April 6, 2017
The best explanation for this highly implausible Elijah Cummings quote is that Trump has mixed up his black people. https://t.co/5kzyOPgowd
— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) April 6, 2017
Incredible images from the brand new GOES-16 weather satellite.
A look at the supercell in eastern Alabama via #GOES16 1-min visible imagery - data preliminary and non-operational #alwx #gawx pic.twitter.com/oO2sKr4bDG
— Dan Lindsey (@DanLindsey77) April 5, 2017
re: #126 teleskiguy
Wow! Gorgeous! (Um, the picture, not the reality!)
re: #109 HappyWarrior
Ah ha. I need to give it another read. I read The Metamorphosis that same year and didn’t like it but re-read it 6 years later as an English minor as well as Kafka’s The Trial and appreciated both. Still prefer more linear structure and more conventional stories but it wasn’t WTF THIS GUY’S A BUG!
Just to give you an idea, my 17 year old loves Daria.
re: #124 Charles Johnson
Cummings probably said Trump would be a prominent historical figure, and he just assumed it was a compliment.
re: #129 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)
Cummings probably said Trump would be a prominent historical figure, and he just assumed it was a compliment.
I was thinking he said something like his presidency would go down in history or something similar. Of course he meant historically disastrous and probably ending with Trump in prison.
@business In other words, none of them?
(Outside of the ones that would find themselves hazed out of the force for “betraying” their fellow cops)— AntiCitizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) April 6, 2017
Because seriously: body cams aren’t going to work unless they’re mandatory. It’s questionable how effective they are in general, but opt-out makes sure they won’t do their job.
Body cams “malfunction”. I propose Ghost in The Shell style implants. :))))
re: #104 Charles Johnson
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The complete, but succinct argument on why ignoring doesn’t work:
Because the right wing, as it stands, has its own culture, and what occurs inside that culture is only dimly connected to the perceptions of the rest of the world. That we ignore a figure within this demimonde does not mean they won’t succeed, attain fame, become influential.
This was true long before the current Derp Days of people like Chuck C Johnson. Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye, Mike Warnke, Carl Raschke. More recently, people like Walid Shoebat and anybody that crops up on RightWingWatch. There’s an entire constellation of culture-figures that don’t register with the rest of the world, whose ideas have become gospel truth inside the enclosed culture, who are deemed scholars and philosophers and geniuses.
Which is pretty much why US conservatism isn’t “conservatism” in any political sense. It’s a cult, because it’s all about maintaining that solidarity of the in-group by connecting with a pantheon of authority figures. Alternate perspectives expressed aloud are attack; alternate thoughts are corruption or delusion; being different is contagious. They delve into conspiracy logic because it maintains that sense of separation, yet also explains why they fail….why they fail to win, why they fail to draw others in, why they fail morally, why they fail to feel a whole and good as they imagine they should.
re: #97 Belafon
My 11th grade son read the Stranger over Christmas.
Be sure to hand him a copy of “The Myth of Sisyphus” . The Stranger makes much more sense then.
It’s funny but I always felt Camus was the better philosopher than Sarte but Sarte was the better literary writer despite that they are considered the other way around.
Good evening everyone. Mr. C. and I just returned from a quick trip south to enjoy some wildflowers. Also, lots and lots of lizards, a gorgeous gopher snake that seemed not to understand that a dirt road wasn’t a great spot to lounge around, and lots of birds.
I wish we had longer, but the schedule just didn’t permit it.
The Carrizo Plain and Temblor Range are in full flower, Soda Lake actually contains water. The photo shows mostly yellow flowers (mostly monolopia, but lots of goldfields as well) but when you are there you also see large patches of violet blue phacelia (which are also extremely fragrant,) layia (creamy with yellow centers,) delphiniums, baby blue eyes, orange amsinkium, some poppies (mostly up in the Temblors) and on and on.
re: #133 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus
You have absolutely nailed it.
re: #133 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus
Sadly, you are correct.
re: #80 HappyWarrior
Must confess I’ve not read any Sartre. Bad English minor, HW, bad English minor.
“Anti-Semite and Jew” is pretty rockin’.
re: #130 allegro
I was thinking he said something like his presidency would go down in history or something similar. Of course he meant historically disastrous and probably ending with Trump in prison.
I said earlier it was probably a punch line to a joke the yam didn’t understand (or, as somebody else said—it was probably Ben Carson, but to Trump “they” all look alike.)
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