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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:41:20pm

That Lucian Wintrich thing…not excusing what he did at ALL but I am somewhat confused as to why the girl randomly grabbed his notes.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:41:54pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:41:57pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

That Lucian Wintrich thing…not excusing what he did at ALL but I am somewhat confused as to why the girl randomly grabbed his notes.

Probably just to be a dick… Which deserves a reaction, but not a physical one.

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electrotek  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:43:20pm

This needs to be torn down pronto:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:44:03pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

That Lucian Wintrich thing…not excusing what he did at ALL but I am somewhat confused as to why the girl randomly grabbed his notes.

To fuck with him. It definitely though doesn’t excuse it at all obviously. So he had his notes taken. That doesn’t justify violence at all.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:46:50pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

To fuck with him. It definitely though doesn’t excuse it at all obviously. So he had his notes taken. That doesn’t justify violence at all.

If it were me, I would totally go off-script and riff off the fact my notes had been stolen. I would not feel obliged to slap a girl. But, hey, what can I say, I’m a librul, obviously I’m not with the times.///////////////////////////

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Stanley Sea  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:46:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:47:29pm

re: #6 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If it were me, I would totally go off-script and riff off the fact my notes had been stolen. I would not feel obliged to slap a girl. But, hey, what can I say, I’m a librul, obviously I’m not with the times.///////////////////////////

I mean I would have been pissed but it doesn’t justify it at all.

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jaunte  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:48:09pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

To fuck with him. It definitely though doesn’t excuse it at all obviously. So he had his notes taken. That doesn’t justify violence at all.

You know when a Very Important Conservative Lecturer has his notes taken by a woman, that’s tantamount to emasculation.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:48:50pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

I mean I would have been pissed but it doesn’t justify it at all.

It would have rattled me. I like to be organized. But in the end, given the choice between giving an impromptu speech and not giving one at all, I would have winged it in the end, and I would have done a halfway decent job of it. I would have been nervous as hell, and pissed as hell, but I would have got through it in the end, without committing assault.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:49:07pm

I honestly hate that dipshits like him are what College Republican chapters think are worth inviting. Really says a lot and it’s why I deeply worry about the Millennial right. There was a wrong hope that young conservatives of today would be more open minded than their parents and grandparents but guys that just isn’t true.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:52:21pm

I mean when I was in high school and even college. Yeah our college Republicans were jerks but the Republicans and the right have gone from the Country Club assholes (Assholes but relatively harmless) to Swastika and CSA apologizing assholes. And I get that there’s always been that element in the right but the right has grown worse and more and more reactionary minded.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:52:39pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I honestly hate that dipshits like him are what College Republican chapters think are worth inviting. Really says a lot and it’s why I deeply worry about the Millennial right. There was a wrong hope that young conservatives of today would be more open minded than their parents and grandparents but guys that just isn’t true.

While cult media, including FOX and the epistemic closure afforded by social media, remains active and unchallenged, the cult will only increase in size and degenerate further. Being young is not enough protection. People of all ages, intelligence levels, and classes are vulnerable to cult indoctrination.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:55:32pm

Obama hasn’t been President for almost a year now and the RWNJs still can’t let him go.

Donald Trump is not a President. He’s just a loud, vile, walking collection of GOP talking points.

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retired cynic  Nov 28, 2017 • 8:58:26pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Obama hasn’t been President for almost a year now and the RWNJs still can’t let him go.

Donald Trump is not a President. He’s just a loud, vile, walking collection of GOP talking points.

Plus his own neuroses and inhumanness.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:03:54pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I mean when I was in high school and even college. Yeah our college Republicans were jerks but the Republicans and the right have gone from the Country Club assholes (Assholes but relatively harmless) to Swastika and CSA apologizing assholes. And I get that there’s always been that element in the right but the right has grown worse and more and more reactionary minded.

Happy, I remember the Teen Republicans in High School who swooned all over Nixon in 1972 especially when he won the mock election 2-1 against McGovern. Then I was active in Colllege Young Dems where we had to share the same Student Union room as the College Republicans whose majority supported Ford in 1976. But in the last year of undergrad school (1977), they started moving into the Reagan column. The main engine of the move Right was speared first by the churches, then talk radio, next came Jesus TV, then Fox and that opened the door for every right wing asshole to get on a platform AM radio, “ministries” and then the net.

This is the direct consequence of Pruneface Reagan dismantling the FCC with the repeal of the Equal Time Rule and Fairness Doctrine. All of these came together to become the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine that Louis Powell proposed in his infamous 1970 memorandum.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:20:33pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, I remember the Teen Republicans in High School who swooned all over Nixon in 1972 especially when he won the mock election 2-1 against McGovern. Then I was active in Colllege Young Dems where we had to share the same Student Union room as the College Republicans whose majority supported Ford in 1976. But in the last year of undergrad school (1977), they started moving into the Reagan column. The main engine of the move Right was speared first by the churches, then talk radio, next came Jesus TV, then Fox and that opened the door for every right wing asshole to get on a platform AM radio, “ministries” and then the net.

This is the direct consequence of Pruneface Reagan dismantling the FCC with the repeal of the Equal Time Rule and Fairness Doctrine. All of these came together to become the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine that Louis Powell proposed in his infamous 1970 memorandum.

I erally despise Reagan.

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retired cynic  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:27:34pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

I erally despise Reagan.

I do, too. He ruined us, personally. But he didn’t do it by himself.

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petesh  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:29:00pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

That Lucian Wintrich thing…not excusing what he did at ALL but I am somewhat confused as to why the girl randomly grabbed his notes.

In order to read, mark, learn and inwardly digest his eternal wisdom, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:29:44pm

I think what makes me hate Reagan is he divided people but he did it with all smiles and not too many people to this day see what damage he caused. Someone like Nixon? Yeah Nixon was destructive but Nixon I guess wasn’t as subtle about what a sob he really was. Reagan, he’d smile at you and remind you of your kind Grandpa while he weakened the labor unions and middle class. I guess what I also really hate about Reagan is how two faced he was. He’d talk rightfully about the USSR’s tyranny in Eastern Europe but then have our money go to right wing totalitarians in Latin and South America. He’d talk about how wonderful our country was while using winks and nudges to the people still not over Civil Rights. I really hope one day that historians see beyond the Gipper cult and see a flawed man that I think was a big part of why we have Trumpism today.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:30:02pm

re: #18 retired cynic

I do, too. He ruined us, personally. But he didn’t do it by himself.

He definitely had help.

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The Major  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:34:32pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think what makes me hate Reagan is he divided people but he did it with all smiles and not too many people to this day see what damage he caused.

When anyone of these brainwashed folks start screaming BENGAZI!!!!, I ask them if they were just as outraged at St. Ronnie when The Lebanese Embassy was attacked by terrorists, killing over 300….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:37:02pm

re: #22 The Major

When anyone of these brainwashed folks start screaming BENGAZI!!!!, I ask them if they were just as outraged at St. Ronnie when The Lebanese Embassy was attacked by terrorists, killing over 300….

We had no hearings about that iircand Reagan/Schultz was not called a murderer the way Obama/Clinton was. Btw it was a barracks not an embassy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:37:26pm

re: #22 The Major

When anyone of these brainwashed folks start screaming BENGAZI!!!!, I ask them if they were just as outraged at St. Ronnie when The Lebanese Embassy was attacked by terrorists, killing over 300….

It sure is amazing that the Republicans who called for Hillary to be jailed for Benghazi are absolutely silent about the deaths in Niger…

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petesh  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:38:48pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

We had no hearings about that and Reagan/Schultz was not called a murderer the way Obama/Clinton was. Btw it was a barracks not an embassy.

Also, it was long ago in a distant age, and you need rose-tinted glasses to see it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:40:42pm

re: #24 Joe Bacon 🌹

It sure is amazing that the Republicans who called for Hillary to be jailed for Benghazi are absolutely silent about the deaths in Niger…

What pisses me off about Benghazi to this day Joe is how the Congressional GOP in fact voted to weaken embassy/consulate security funding. And Romney, I’ll never forgive for this saying Obama sympathized with the attackers and that arrogant smirk he had thinking he’d use those four dead men to punch his ticket to the WH. Romney too bears responsibility for Trump. Mitt had no problem with Trump until Trump wanted Mitt’s party.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:56:25pm

Here’s the poster for Lucian Wintrich’s little racist lecture tour.

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retired cynic  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:57:14pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Here’s the poster for Lucian Wintrich’s little racist lecture tour.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ha gasp

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:57:17pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off about Benghazi to this day Joe is how the Congressional GOP in fact voted to weaken embassy/consulate security funding. And Romney, I’ll never forgive for this saying Obama sympathized with the attackers and that arrogant smirk he had thinking he’d use those four dead men to punch his ticket to the WH. Romney too bears responsibility for Trump. Mitt had no problem with Trump until Trump wanted Mitt’s party.

Yes, the RepubliKKKlans deliberately cut embassy security because they wanted a Benghazi attack to pin on Obama. And as for Fucking Romney he’s just another asshole RepubliKKKlan who craves power and will lie, cheat and steal his way to getting it. Romney will never forgive Trump for out lying, cheating and stealing him.

And what really pissed me off about Romney is how evangelicals embraced his candidacy. Fundamentalists embraced putting a Mormon in the White House—a religion that fundamentalists despise as heresy. But they held their nose to get that black guy out of the Oval Office.

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retired cynic  Nov 28, 2017 • 9:57:45pm

re: #28 retired cynic

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ha gasp

They gave him a chin!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:00:13pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Here’s the poster for Lucian Wintrich’s little racist lecture tour.

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Are those thigh high stockings?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:01:19pm

re: #29 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, the RepubliKKKlans deliberately cut embassy security because they wanted a Benghazi attack to pin on Obama. And as for Fucking Romney he’s just another asshole RepubliKKKlan who craves power and will lie, cheat and steal his way to getting it. Romney will never forgive Trump for out lying, cheating and stealing him.

And what really pissed me off about Romney is how evangelicals embraced his candidacy. Fundamentalists embraced putting a Mormon in the White House—a religion that fundamentalists despise as heresy. But they held their nose to get that black guy out of the Oval Office.

And with Trump, they embraced a man whose life is a living mockery of what they claim is moral. The RR are frauds.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:03:04pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Was he auditioning to be a member of the Village People during their renaissance phase?

He’d fit right in…
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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:04:03pm

re: #33 Joe Bacon 🌹

Was he auditioning to be a member of the Village People during their renaissance phase?

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This is the kid without irony founded Twinks for Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:06:02pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

This is the kid without irony founded Twinks for Trump.

Now I just wonder what the Radical Xtians would do to L’il Lucien and his pals Jim and Milo when they institute their Jay-Zuss Police State?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:07:48pm

Despite what wingnuts say. I ain’t ashamed to be white. I’m ashamed when people try to say being white makes me superior to people with different skin colors because that’s bull. My burning in the August sun disproves that immediately. Joking aside, I’m proud to be American but I’m also proud of the groups that have literally made me, well me but I also respect other cultures I may not have lineage in but whose food, music, culture, etc I enjoy. I love being part Irish but I’d muxh rather eat Latin or Middle Eastern or Indian food.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:08:27pm

re: #35 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now I just wonder what the Radical Xtians would do to L’il Lucien and his pals Jim and Milo when they institute their Jay-Zuss Police State?

That’s a good question. Probably jail em. Their use would be done.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:19:21pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off about Benghazi to this day Joe is how the Congressional GOP in fact voted to weaken embassy/consulate security funding. And Romney, I’ll never forgive for this saying Obama sympathized with the attackers and that arrogant smirk he had thinking he’d use those four dead men to punch his ticket to the WH. Romney too bears responsibility for Trump. Mitt had no problem with Trump until Trump wanted Mitt’s party.

I don’t know they actually wanted an attack in Libya, but they sure were happy to take advantage of that (and ignore the one in Cairo the same time).

And they tend to forget a couple things:

a) Embassy duty is frickin’ dangerous.
b) No hearings during the Bush Administration about far more embassy attacks during his administration, almost as if it’s Okay if You’re a Rebublican.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:22:29pm

I know I’m late to the party and probably not the first to think of this but …

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:22:55pm

re: #22 The Major

When anyone of these brainwashed folks start screaming BENGAZI!!!!, I ask them if they were just as outraged at St. Ronnie when The Lebanese Embassy was attacked by terrorists, killing over 300….

Well, it was a hotel converted to use as an embassy.

I had the unpleasant duty of going from Navy work-ups in the Caribbean Sea to immediately go to Lebanon to help with the evacuations and to cover the duties of carrier stationed there. A five-day tour turned into three months.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:39:47pm

I have no words. I mean, we are fucked.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:44:03pm

ICYMI

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:45:31pm
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allegro  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:46:14pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

I have no words. I mean, we are fucked.

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That can’t be for real. Can it?

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:47:28pm

re: #44 allegro

That can’t be for real. Can it?

It’s real.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:50:22pm

the the

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allegro  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:51:06pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

It’s real.

That’s as terrifying as the Trump Christmas Walk to Hell.

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nicdanger  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:53:24pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

WTF?

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2017 • 10:53:42pm

Obvious Russian bot is obvious.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:01:03pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

It’s real.

That so looks like a SNL fake commercial. It’s difficult to believe that the people who made the ad are actually serious.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:04:26pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

They’re literally wrapping themselves in the American flag…

Fuck it, New California Republic, here I come.

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allegro  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:08:52pm

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

Seriously. Take your teddy bear for a ride on the Harley? Take it golfing?

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:09:21pm

re: #51 Kragar

They’re literally wrapping themselves in the American flag…

Fuck it, New California Republic, here I come.

This is apparently a hot topic on certain sites, including pro-Trump sites. They speculate that the person marketing the product decided it can be sold to everyone: the pro Trumpers will buy it because it supports their God Emperor; and the anti Trump majority will consider the product a spoof mocking the President and buy it for that reason. The objective is to earn money.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:12:37pm

re: #53 Hecuba’s daughter

Did they remember to factor in the bit where they are fucking idiots?

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Cheechako  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:14:39pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Obama hasn’t been President for almost a year now and the RWNJs still can’t let him go.

Donald Trump is not a President. He’s just a loud, vile, walking collection of GOP talking points.

Time we were honest with ourselves….trump is nothing more than a fake president.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:15:02pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

It’s real.

Why do they only show old people cuddling with it but no children? Little tots all ran away screaming?

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:16:08pm

If you got a Twitter, lots of block-able accounts in Charles’ mentions right now. They’re all bent out of shape about Lucian Wintrich.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:16:17pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Obama hasn’t been President for almost a year now and the RWNJs still can’t let him go.

Donald Trump is not a President. He’s just a loud, vile, walking collection of GOP talking points.

They can’t let Hillary go either — and she wasn’t even elected President, thanks to the toxic Electoral College.

— edited to correct typo

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:16:53pm

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

That so looks like a SNL fake commercial. It’s difficult to believe that the people who made the ad are actually serious.

Remember Big Mouth Billy Bass, the animatronic singing fish? Nobody ever went broke underestimating the personal tastes of modern Americans.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:21:01pm

Also, JESUS H. FUCKING CHRIST, THE ANSWER IS NO!

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Cheechako  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:24:42pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Remember Big Mouth Billy Bass, the animatronic singing fish? Nobody ever went broke underestimating the personal tastes of modern Americans.

Pet Rocks?

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:26:12pm

re: #61 Cheechako

Pet Rocks?

Ch-Ch-Ch-Chia! The pottery that grows!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:32:32pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Remember Big Mouth Billy Bass, the animatronic singing fish? Nobody ever went broke underestimating the personal tastes of modern Americans.

Trumpy Bear — the perfect Gag gift!!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:37:28pm

re: #63 Hecuba’s daughter

Trumpy Bear — the perfect Gag gift!!

I won’t spend $40 on a gag gift. Instead, send a link to the commercial — like, Stanley Sea, I have no words. That’s because I was laughing too hard to talk.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:48:57pm

re: #55 Cheechako

Time we were honest with ourselves….trump is nothing more than a fake president.

Well, not fake per se, as the process of the election as set forth by law and the Constitution regurgitated him.

Unfortunately, the USA has the oldest constitution in the world currently active, and fifty states’ laws all differing in procedures plus a largely-unregulated social media system made it possible to corrupt the election by other actors (both in and outside the country).

The solution would seem to be to run our elections as other nations do (by the national government) and reign in the power of independent corporations to influence elections by taking freakin’ rubles for advertising whilst keeping their data bases secret on everyone’s information.

Since I’m not on social media, I expect eventually to be rounded up by the corporate state as a subversive.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:50:27pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Remember Big Mouth Billy Bass, the animatronic singing fish? Nobody ever went broke underestimating the personal tastes of modern Americans.

See also Pet Rocks and Beanie Babies.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:50:54pm

The uncut audio of the WaPo reporter ensnaring James O’Queef’s employee is so damning. I’d call it amateur hour but that would be an insult to real amateurs.

I also finally watched the videos posted downstairs of another WaPo reporter talking to James O’Queef juxtaposed with his edited video. That guy is a lying scumbag.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:52:58pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

WaPo journalists are awesome these days.

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Cheechako  Nov 28, 2017 • 11:59:00pm

re: #65 Anymouse 🌹

Well, not fake per se, as the process of the election as set forth by law and the Constitution regurgitated him.

Unfortunately, the USA has the oldest constitution in the world currently active, and fifty states’ laws all differing in procedures plus a largely-unregulated social media system made it possible to corrupt the election by other actors (both in and outside the country).

The solution would seem to be to run our elections as other nations do (by the national government) and reign in the power of independent corporations to influence elections by taking freakin’ rubles for advertising whilst keeping their data bases secret on everyone’s information.

Since I’m not on social media, I expect eventually to be rounded up by the corporate state as a subversive.

Yes, I understand trump is a lawfully elected real President, but the way he’s acted is not like any of the previous “real” Presidents. Therefore, if he’s not “real” then he must be “fake”.

And that’s my twisted logic for the day.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:02:34am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:03:26am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

“Still Life with Douchebag”.

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:09:57am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

Backpfeifengesicht.

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:13:10am

What a stiff joyless looking young man. His parents must’ve been real pieces of work, after all they named him Lucian.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:15:14am

re: #73 teleskiguy

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What a stiff joyless looking young man. His parents must’ve been real pieces of work, after all they named him Lucian.

Actually, sort of.

Wintrich was born Lucian Einhorn in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:16:00am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know why he goes by the last name he does, maybe he disowned his parents?

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:17:51am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

Uh, I think you’re reading a little too deeply in a poorly sourced Wikipedia article about a con artist.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:21:35am

re: #76 teleskiguy

Uh, I think you’re reading a little too deeply in a poorly sourced Wikipedia article about a con artist.

That could be. I could also be some of his fans wrote it (Wikipedia does have trouble with that on some of their articles).

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:29:45am

NO. FUCKIN’. WAY.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:31:42am

Bedtime … . trip to Cheyenne tomorrow.

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:41:37am

re: #78 teleskiguy

Red Bull bankrolls some of the most gonzo shit.

Shane McConkey was wearing clothing and protective gear that had Red Bull’s logo emblazoned on it when he died.

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:45:34am

re: #80 teleskiguy

When I was a young man - aged 13ish to mid 20s - I thought Shane McConkey was the coolest dude who ever lived. I still miss him, a man I never met.

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:48:10am

I didn’t start listening to Frank Zappa’s music until after he was dead. And I miss that dude, a man I never met.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:49:00am

re: #82 teleskiguy

I didn’t start listening to Frank Zappa’s music until after he was dead. And I miss that dude, a man I never met.

Never got to see him live, which I regret.

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:54:02am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Never got to see him live, which I regret.

Dweezil does an excellent job playing his pops’ music, seen him a half dozen times. Last time I saw Dweezil with his band was at Red Rocks two summers ago. They took a break from FZ songs and played a very impressive 80s music medley.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:58:56am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Self-parody. You could not make a funnier poster if you tried.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 1:03:09am

KRFE owner Wade Wilkes certainly knows which side the radio bread is buttered on. (Link goes to Facebook page. I did not use the image directly because it includes phone numbers.)

Wade has appeared on these pages before:
Lubbock Radio Host: Orlando Victims Were ‘Getting Lit, Using Illegal Drugs and Spreading STDs’

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 1:08:06am

You all know what to do.

PS. Trump is leading

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2017 • 2:01:19am
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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 2:02:06am

re: #88 Amory Blaine

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 2:05:28am

re: #88 Amory Blaine

Apparently, it is not alien in origin, per another news story.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2017 • 2:10:22am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

Aww.

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 2:13:29am

Okay, this has me laughing really hard.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 2:14:02am

re: #91 Amory Blaine

Aww.

From Slate, the microorganisms probably came from Earth on one of the supply ships or even from a visiting astronaut.

What is clear, though, is that nobody should really take Shkaplerov seriously. From the outset, Russian state media is far from trustworthy, usually acting as a propagandist arm of the government. And Russian scientists have previously made similarly strange and unsubstantiated claims of life clinging to the ISS hull before, like that there’s sea plankton hanging on the station, which there is not.

slate.com

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 2:48:55am

A 64-year-old inmate of a private prison in Colorado got beat to death. He sustained his injuries on the 20th, and died on Sunday. It’s being reported now, Wednesday morning the 29th.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 3:00:15am

re: #94 teleskiguy

A 64-year-old inmate of a private prison in Colorado got beat to death. He sustained his injuries on the 20th, and died on Sunday. It’s being reported now, Wednesday morning the 29th.

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and I am certain that there is no way the prison company can be called to account for this in any meaningful way…because they were thugs who deserved what they got, right?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 3:03:09am

re: #93 wheat-dogg

From Slate, the microorganisms probably came from Earth on one of the supply ships or even from a visiting astronaut.

slate.com

I think the Russians are getting tuned up to officially deny the reality of the Apollo Moon landings. Their conspiracy media are trending that way and their American collaborators are already there. If so, they will join the Taliban as the second national government to dispute the landings’ authenticity. This will happen once the Trump gambit has run its course, particularly if it fails spectacularly.

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 3:05:29am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and I am certain that there is no way the prison company can be called to account for this in any meaningful way…because they were thugs who deserved what they got, right?

With numbers like this …

… private prisons will have the run of the mill, as it were. With the current leadership in the United States, I see nothing but more violence by “authority.”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 3:21:38am

As soon as a new Democratic President takes office with a Democratic Congress, he or she should immediately institute a massive legislative and judicial program, similar to FDR’s 100 days, to bring Republican criminals to account and undo as much of their damage as possible. Private prison executives and lobbyists should be at the top of the target list, followed closely by politicized churches, health care quacks and unregistered foreign agents.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 3:36:32am

re: #98 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As soon as a new Democratic President takes office with a Democratic Congress, he or she should immediately institute a massive legislative and judicial program, similar to FDR’s 100 days, to bring Republican criminals to account and undo as much of their damage as possible. Private prison executives and lobbyists should be at the top of the target list, followed closely by politicized churches, health care quacks and unregistered foreign agents.

I still agree with Keith Olbermann that it could take decades to recover from Trump - I would generally say at least one year for every month of his administration…

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meteor  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:05:13am

re: #49 teleskiguy

WTAF lol

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:07:17am

Matt Lauer OUT.

wptv.com

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Lupin  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:07:24am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still agree with Keith Olbermann that it could take decades to recover from Trump - I would generally say at least one year for every month of his administration…

I beg to differ. I see this sort if like what happened to France, Britain, etc., after world war I. You will never recover or become again what you used to be. I don’t mean the future will necessary be grim, I just mean, say good-bye forever to the US of A as you knew it.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:11:28am

Whoa!

I watch The Today Show many mornings.

Today they started the show out with an announcement that Matt Lauer has been fired for some kind of sexual infraction with a staffer.

I guess the rest of them just found out right before the shows start.

I kind of wondered if Lauer would have problems. There have been some rumors he had affairs with coworkers in the past.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:15:40am

Trump is retweeting anti-Muslim accounts purportedly showing Muslims beating up kids.

haaretz.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:22:01am

re: #102 Lupin

I beg to differ. I see this sort if like what happened to France, Britain, etc., after world war I. You will never recover or become again what you used to be. I don’t mean the future will necessary be grim, I just mean, say good-bye forever to the US of A as you knew it.

I do also fear that we might no longer have the wherewithal to fully recover.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:26:51am

re: #103 ObserverArt

Whoa!

I watch The Today Show many mornings.

Today they started the show out with an announcement that Matt Lauer has been fired for some kind of sexual infraction with a staffer.

I guess the rest of them just found out right before the shows start.

I kind of wondered if Lauer would have problems. There have been some rumors he had affairs with coworkers in the past.

Trump predictably is crowing about it on Twitter.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:27:56am
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Lupin  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:29:55am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, arguably, England as a much better place without its empire and delusions of (tho I think it’s still suffering from some of that), and the US in, say, 2050 might be as different as the England of 1950 (compared to 2010 and 1910) but still be a better place.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:34:45am
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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:35:47am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

I wonder if at some point we could go from gawking at the perpetrators of this shit and start asking how we could raise boys and create places that teach how wrong this shit is and why. I know I’m impatient, and I see the conversation in some places now, but not nearly enough. Lots of salacious details and hand wringing over how shocking it all is won’t fix a thing.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:48:03am

re: #110 A Mom Anon

Sadly I think it’s only going to get worse before gets better. We first have to weed out the old guard, i.e. the men have been in power for decades who thought they were invincible. Second, Dotard is emboldening a new generation of racist misogynists.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:49:34am

re: #109 Dr. Matt

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It’ll grow the economy…

Most every reputable economists have said the opposite, that this tax bill will lead to another recession.

It’ll result in higher wages…

Businesses across the spectrum have admitted they’re not going to raise wages, but instead buy back stock and increase automation.

Families will see tax savings…

That will be eaten up by everything from higher insurance costs to higher fees for services that will need funding as a result of tax revenues dropping.

WELL TRUMP SUPPORTS IT!

Thanks for your honesty.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 4:51:53am

Moore will get elected, tax bill will pass and the USA will take that much longer to recover

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:04:02am

re: #110 A Mom Anon

I wonder if at some point we could go from gawking at the perpetrators of this shit and start asking how we could raise boys and create places that teach how wrong this shit is and why. I know I’m impatient, and I see the conversation in some places now, but not nearly enough. Lots of salacious details and hand wringing over how shocking it all is won’t fix a thing.

Many boys are/were taught what is right and wrong. The problem is many chose to ignore those teachings and do what they do anyway.

I think some of it comes from men getting together and learning how to ignore all that teaching and doing what they want anyway. That is a powerful thing. Men can be tough on each other and many weaker men follow along and then it becomes a thing they do.

Apparently learning the hard way is going to be what is needed.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:09:17am

Trump has now lost Prison Planet dude

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makeitstop  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:11:00am

NBC has canned Matt Lauer.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:13:25am

One of the NBC reports is saying Lauer’s issue was from 2014.

It would not surprise me if one of his co-stars is behind the allegations. I remember seeing stuff on the ‘net alleging his messing around with one years ago. I am not going to mention the name as it is ‘net speculation. I figure all of this will be revealed in the next few days or so.

Three big “stars” from three big networks all are gone now. That has got to send reverberations all through TV news and other programming. We already have Hollywood on edge. Next up the Big Business world and sports.

This is a huge boulder rolling downhill.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:15:26am

Wow, just think of all the extra time ol Matt now has to go golfing with his Republican pals…

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jeffreyw  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:18:17am

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Good morning!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:20:58am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:24:33am

Has anyone here read Luke Harding’s book Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win? Does he make an effective and realistic case against the traitor in the White House?

—edited to correct title

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:27:14am

re: #103 ObserverArt

Whoa!

I watch The Today Show many mornings.

Today they started the show out with an announcement that Matt Lauer has been fired for some kind of sexual infraction with a staffer.

I guess the rest of them just found out right before the shows start.

I kind of wondered if Lauer would have problems. There have been some rumors he had affairs with coworkers in the past.

It has to be more than affairs, doesn’t it? Certainly, consensual relationships wouldn’t be a problem; if they were, Mika and Joe would have to go — or at least Joe.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:27:29am

Good thing that NBC hired Megan Kelly for backup.

//

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:28:06am

re: #114 ObserverArt

Many boys are/were taught what is right and wrong. The problem is many chose to ignore those teachings and do what they do anyway.

I think some of it comes from men getting together and learning how to ignore all that teaching and doing what they want anyway. That is a powerful thing. Men can be tough on each other and many weaker men follow along and then it becomes a thing they do.

Apparently learning the hard way is going to be what is needed.

In terms of sheer contact-hours, men do not teach boys much of anything. Sister Mary Claver knew how to raise boys. You wouldn’t like it.

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fern01  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:32:58am

re: #117 ObserverArt

One of the NBC reports is saying Lauer’s issue was from 2014.

….

Three big “stars” from three big networks all are gone now. That has got to send reverberations all through TV news and other programming. We already have Hollywood on edge. Next up the Big Business world and sports.

We also have politicians on edge. I would hope the next up would be the other man on the Access Hollywood tape - Billy Bush has already been fired.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:34:20am

re: #122 Hecuba’s daughter

It has to be more than affairs, doesn’t it? Certainly, consensual relationships wouldn’t be a problem; if they were, Mika and Joe would have to go — or at least Joe.

Whatever it is, they have the definite goods on him. The announcement said the complaint was only made Monday night, and he is already gone. Good riddance.

I have no sympathy whatever for someone who gets fired from a multi-million dollar job for acting like a pig. He has reported on these issues for years, but he was arrogant enough to think the rules did not apply to him. Looks like they do after all.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:35:20am

Was wondering what the Prison Planet guy was referring to above.

‘Donald Trump retweeted a video posted by a far-right street activist that ‘says Islamist mob pushes teenage boy off roof and beats him to death!’

thedailybeast.com

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:37:18am

look what I found on Hammity’s timeline.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:37:25am

re: #117 ObserverArt

One of the NBC reports is saying Lauer’s issue was from 2014.

It would not surprise me if one of his co-stars is behind the allegations. I remember seeing stuff on the ‘net alleging his messing around with one years ago. I am not going to mention the name as it is ‘net speculation. I figure all of this will be revealed in the next few days or so.

Three big “stars” from three big networks all are gone now. That has got to send reverberations all through TV news and other programming. We already have Hollywood on edge. Next up the Big Business world and sports.

This is a huge boulder rolling downhill.

Yep. What we’ve seen so far is only the beginning.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:37:51am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

While women do raise and formally educate young people more than males, there is still a big drive to fit in and be as manly as the self proclaimed alphas. I agree that women need to look at what we do to enable this, but we can only do so much alone. The most powerful messages have to come from men. Because men who do this shit don’t care what women think and they minimize us as lying, hysterical or overly emotional and weak. They’re only going to listen to men in positions of power and men close to them who call them on their shit.

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fern01  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:40:54am

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Deficits only matter when a democrat is in the WH.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:40:57am

Hey, Today!

Why not hire Billy Bush?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:42:58am

re: #130 A Mom Anon

While women do raise and formally educate young people more than males, there is still a big drive to fit in and be as manly as the self proclaimed alphas. I agree that women need to look at what we do to enable this, but we can only do so much alone. The most powerful messages have to come from men. Because men who do this shit don’t care what women think and they minimize us as lying, hysterical or overly emotional and weak. They’re only going to listen to men in positions of power and men close to them who call them on their shit.

Now contemplate the powerful male role models available to boys from the media: gunners, fuckers, and fast with the fists. How many punches and killings per week on the ‘tube? Mr Rogers is dead.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:44:52am

CBS fires Charlie, NBC fires Matt.

Oh please let Fox fire Doocy and Kilmeade next!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:46:29am

re: #131 fern01

Deficits only matter when a democrat is in the WH.

Only because the GOP uses deficits as a cudgel to destroy programs that help the poor, the working class, and the middle class; i.e. the non-rich.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:50:04am

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Only because the GOP uses deficits as a cudgel to destroy programs that help the poor, the working class, and the middle class; i.e. the non-rich.

Hmmmm, wonder if foreigners stop buying Treasury notes to finance the RepubliKKKlan Red Ink Orgy. Next step—the world dumps the dollar as the reserve currency…

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:52:28am

re: #134 Joe Bacon

CBS fires Charlie, NBC fires Matt.

Oh please let Fox fire Doocy and Kilmeade next!

When do we fire Trump?

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:53:10am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Yep. So the culture has to shift and change. It has to start with all of us rejecting this whole alpha vs cuck nonsense. I personally think guys like Cernovich should be ridiculed publicly on video as much as possible. They hate it, and since shame isn’t something they care about, embarrassment is about the best weapon. They may make a show about it not hurting but it does.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:53:15am

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:55:05am
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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:57:10am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

If there’s another recession, my family won’t survive it. We haven’t recovered from the last one. Our 401k died in 07/08. We had to start over. That 1200 dollars we’re supposed to gain won’t fix a fucking thing. Fuck these rich fucks.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:58:48am

Hmmm, so the Loving Couple given the soft gloves treatment by the Screw York Times both got fired. And Wingnut Welfare is coming to their aid…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 5:59:29am

re: #138 A Mom Anon

Yep. So the culture has to shift and change. It has to start with all of us rejecting this whole alpha vs cuck nonsense. I personally think guys like Cernovich should be ridiculed publicly on video as much as possible. They hate it, and since shame isn’t something they care about, embarrassment is about the best weapon. They may make a show about it not hurting but it does.

First we would have to reach a consensus on what we want the culture to change to. Want to go Amish? Like the Mormon model? Directed culture change has its downside—ask the Apache.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:02:07am

NY Post:
Matt Lauer allegedly sexually assaulted staffer during Olympics

Matt Lauer allegedly sexually assaulted a female NBC staffer during the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014, sources told Page Six.

An NBC insider said Lauer’s alleged victim complained to HR on Monday, “This happened so quickly. She didn’t go to the media, she made a complaint to NBC’s human resources, and her evidence was so compelling that Matt was fired on Tuesday night. The victim says she has evidence that this has also happened to other women, but so far we don’t have evidence of that.”

As suspected, there were some warnings:

Lauer’s firing comes amid rumors that several news outlets were working on stories about his alleged sexual misconduct.

Reporters for The New York Times had been investigating Lauer for several weeks, according to sources who had been contacted by the paper, CNN reported.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:05:47am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Matt Lauer got shitcanned for being a sex harasser with a history of harassment.

Took way too long for that to happen.

So of course Trump had to weigh in on that too.

Trump’s accused of being a serial sex predator who has admitted to sex assaults. The GOP elected him to the WH. He has no standing to talk about anything relating to sex harassment or sex abuse, unless it’s to admit he was criminally liable and will resign on those grounds.

But we all know he’d never do that. He’s a sex predator whose entire history is littered with criminal and suspect actions.

Everyone will wonder now what NBC will do at the Today show. I have an idea - put the woman who Lauer helped run off back in charge: Ann Curry.

All of this does link back to how the media treated Hillary - and it does show how misogyny, harassment, and sex predators helped shape the narrative against Hillary (and those folks are starting to be outed as sex predators and held accountable for longstanding harassment and abuse).

Meanwhile, Trump’s also tweeted actual goddamned Nazi accounts to push his Muslim ban yet again, including linking to videos that are suspect.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:07:42am

This is the Twitter account that Trump is RT’ing:

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:12:02am

re: #143 Decatur Deb
How about women being human beings in charge of their own bodies and sexuality. Nothing extreme about that.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:12:26am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:16:23am

re: #147 A Mom Anon

How about women being human beings in charge of their own bodies and sexuality. Nothing extreme about that.

That’s a given. It doesn’t reduce what is being called toxic masculinity in the next generation.

“The dose makes the poison.”

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:16:39am

re: #114 ObserverArt

Many boys are/were taught what is right and wrong. The problem is many chose to ignore those teachings and do what they do anyway.

I think some of it comes from men getting together and learning how to ignore all that teaching and doing what they want anyway. That is a powerful thing. Men can be tough on each other and many weaker men follow along and then it becomes a thing they do.

Apparently learning the hard way is going to be what is needed.

I don’t think you’re quite remembering history correctly. How long has it actually been wrong for men to make sexual passes at women? How long has it actually been the man’s responsibility to check himself? And how long have we actually been properly teaching men to do the right thing, and by properly I mean not just saying the words but condemning it in the things we see around us?

And I know, someone’s going to say we shouldn’t have to teach men that. But shouldn’t and don’t have to are two different things. I personally wonder why so many people have trouble with simple tasks on their computers but I still help them figure it out.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:17:26am

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:17:35am

re: #142 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hmmm, so the Loving Couple given the soft gloves treatment by the Screw York Times both got fired. And Wingnut Welfare is coming to their aid…

I hope GoyFundMe is a misspelling.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:17:57am

Read an important article on vox.com this morning. A graduate student from Sweden infiltrated an alt-right group called the London Forum. While undercover he traveled to the US and participated in the Charlottesville march. These people are literal Nazis; racism and anti-Semitism are at the core of their beliefs, and they want to use violence to overthrow liberal democracy and replace it with a Nazi dictatorship. They have been emboldened by their electoral success in the US and Europe and are growing.

vox.com

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freetoken  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:19:36am

Speaking as a man: it’s rather obvious when one is being too aggressive to another person (female or male.)

Those who can’t tell this have something wrong with them. Whether they’re sociopaths, psychopaths, or just lacking in intelligence.

Trying to flirt with someone is not harassing them.

Trying to flirt with someone over whom you have some authority/power adds the element of the possibility of harassing them, which is why responsible men avoid this type of situation.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:19:39am

re: #62 teleskiguy

Ch-Ch-Ch-Chia! The pottery that grows!

They’re still out there. Groot chia

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:19:52am

re: #148 lawhawk

who the hell are you guys? Heh. It’ll be interesting to see how they do in straight drama.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:21:16am

re: #154 freetoken

Speaking as a man: it’s rather obvious when one is being too aggressive to another person (female or male.)

Those who can’t tell this have something wrong with them. Whether they’re sociopaths, psychopaths, or just lacking in intelligence.

Trying to flirt with someone is not harassing them.

Trying to flirt with someone over whom you have some authority/power adds the element of the possibility of harassing them, which is why responsible men avoid this type of situation.

Bingo; this is not difficult to understand, if you want to understand. These people aren’t getting fired for flirting with peers; they are predators abusing their power.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:23:25am

re: #157 Big Beautiful Door
Predator is the right word and an important distinction that’s not being made enough.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:29:36am

Trump’s new source Britain First.

Mos Eisley

Support by Donald Trump
In November 2017, Britain First attracted headlines after the US President Donald Trump re-broadcasted several of the group’s tweets. Fransen responded enthusiastically, saying “God Bless you Trump! God Bless America!” Unite Against Fascism condemned the retweeting, saying it “beggars belief that the most powerful person in the world is re-tweeting Ms Fransen’s vile views”.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:30:56am

re: #158 A Mom Anon

Predator is the right word and an important distinction that’s not being made enough.

Men are taught a more-or-less mild inhibition against being predators and a very strong inhibition against being prey. Look to our Forever War as one of the big drivers of misplaced power, sex, and violence.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:31:07am

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

That so looks like a SNL fake commercial. It’s difficult to believe that the people who made the ad are actually serious.

This is Hilarious! It almost makes me want to buy it.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:33:07am

Don’t know why #160 caught up the italicization from the leading comment. Trying to get away from a similar glitch is how I “broke” an LGF thread a few nights ago.

Addendum: The comment that picked up italicization also shows as a blank text field in “Spy” mode.

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makeitstop  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:33:12am

I don’t understand why the media is playing dumb as to the timing of the North Korea missile launch yesterday. They’re all so mystified that ‘they launched in the middle of the night.’

Come on. They know why they launched when they did - to dominate the US news cycle.

This is their goddamn business, they understand it. I don’t get why they’re acting like they don’t.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:33:15am

re: #152 Belafon

I hope GoyFundMe is a misspelling.

My Gawd, it actually is goyfundme.com. That was not a misspelling.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:33:55am

re: #164 Belafon

My Gawd, it actually is goyfundme.com. That was not a misspelling.

Soul of wit, these nazis.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:34:25am

The perceptive, though fake, comrades at DPRK News weigh in:

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:38:23am

re: #94 teleskiguy

A 64-year-old inmate of a private prison in Colorado got beat to death. He sustained his injuries on the 20th, and died on Sunday. It’s being reported now, Wednesday morning the 29th.

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I heard Trump plans to detain lots of undocumented immigrants in new private prisons. American concentration camps for “undesirables.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:38:41am

re: #156 William Lewis

I must be depressed by the daily news. My first thought was they can’t save us from ourselves, just near omnipotent aliens. //

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:39:36am

How else are they going to get Megyn Kelly on the Today Show? //

Not an excuse for Matt, just maybe an opening.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:42:11am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do also fear that we might no longer have the wherewithal to fully recover.

We recovered from the Civil War. Of course we still haven’t reached the point where African-Americans are accorded the full rights of citizenship, and the GOP is working to pull us backward. Things are always changing, but that doesn’t mean we can’t eventually make things better.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:44:05am

Get on the phone. Now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:47:17am

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Only because the GOP uses deficits as a cudgel to destroy programs that help the poor, the working class, and the middle class; i.e. the non-rich.

Yep, on January 20, 2021 when a Democrat is sworn in as President, the GOP will in unison start demanding deep budget cuts due to the irresponsible deficit spending the President is engaging in.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:47:17am

re: #170 Big Beautiful Door

We recovered from the Civil War. Of course we still haven’t reached the point where African-Americans are accorded the full rights of citizenship, and the GOP is working to pull us backward. Things are always changing, but that doesn’t mean we can’t eventually make things better.

There are plenty of people in this country accepting of the changes that are happening. I think the problem is that we forgot to take into account those that don’t like the changes. And I don’t mean accepting their point of view. We just thought we could just change the laws and everything would be fine. We let our guard down and have allowed them to get into a position where they can fuck things up. We have to get back into control, fix the things they’ll break, and strengthen it so that they can’t undo progress.

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sagehen  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:49:48am

re: #172 Big Beautiful Door

Yep, on January 20, 2021 when a Democrat is sworn in as President, the GOP will in unison start demanding deep budget cuts due to the irresponsible deficit spending the President is engaging in.

quicker than that

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makeitstop  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:50:05am

I’ve never watched Stephanie Ruhle before. She is amazing - very sharp, clearly enthused by her work, asks all the right questions.

And she just announced the death of a former colleague in tears. She is anything but your average newsbot.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:50:25am

re: #171 GlutenFreeJesus

Get on the phone. Now.

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Unfortunately here in VA, both my Senators are Democrats who are opposed to the bill. And with such a furor being kicked up by this bill, a lot of Republican senators are likely to restrict calls/messages to their constituents instead of out-of-towners.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:51:51am

re: #174 sagehen

quicker than that

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Nah, they won’t outright demand slashing. They’ll instead talk about “entitlement reform,” about the need to bump up retirement ages, higher co-pays, reduced benefits, “block grants,” etc, etc.

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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:52:05am

re: #173 Belafon

There are plenty of people in this country accepting of the changes that are happening. I think the problem is that we forgot to take into account those that don’t like the changes. And I don’t mean accepting their point of view. We just thought we could just change the laws and everything would be fine. We let our guard down and have allowed them to get into a position where they can fuck things up. We have to get back into control, fix the things they’ll break, and strengthen it so that they can’t undo progress.

The problem seems to be that it’s easier to destroy rather than create. Much like pointed out regarding the Project Veritas scams: we have to be lucky every time, they only have to be lucky once. IOW, scaling the mountain toward progress can be swiftly undone every time the GOP gains power, and we’ve seen that with the precipitous backslide in just 10 months. Undoing it will take generations, and that’s generations that they can still return to power and tear down everything at rapid pace once more.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:53:21am

re: #177 Targetpractice

Nah, they won’t outright demand slashing. They’ll instead talk about “entitlement reform,” about the need to bump up retirement ages, higher co-pays, reduced benefits, “block grants,” etc, etc.

The deficits created by the bill will force an automatic cut of $25 bn in Medicare, without Congress even having to take a vote.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:54:25am

re: #170 Big Beautiful Door

We recovered from the Civil War. Of course we still haven’t reached the point where African-Americans are accorded the full rights of citizenship, and the GOP is working to pull us backward. Things are always changing, but that doesn’t mean we can’t eventually make things better.

America dies every night, and a new one is there in the morning. What we do with it is our responsibility.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:54:29am

Twitter has debunked two of the anti-Muslim videos retweeted by Trump.

The “Muslim” beating up the kid on crutches was not a Muslim, and he was arrested.

The video of some people pushing a kid off a roof happened in Egypt in 2013. Arrests there, too.

Waiting on provenance of the third, showing an alleged imam stealing or breaking a statue of the Virgin Mary. But I’m sure it’s fake news, too.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:54:57am

re: #179 Big Beautiful Door

The deficits created by the bill will force an automatic cut of $25 bn in Medicare, without Congress even having to take a vote.

Cue Republican promises to “save” Medicare come next year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:55:40am

He’s still going at it:

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:56:30am

re: #175 makeitstop

I’ve never watched Stephanie Ruhle before. She is amazing - very sharp, clearly enthused by her work, asks all the right questions.

And she just announced the death of a former colleague in tears. She is anything but your average newsbot.

I used to watch her on Bloomberg. She’s sharp, and does not take shit from anyone. We will never see Trump submit to an interview with her for those reasons.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:57:31am

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s still going at it:

“Hey, Donald, let’s treat all accusations of sexual harassment and assault as firing offenses, OK?”

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2017 • 6:59:03am

re: #168 Unshaken Defiance

I must be depressed by the daily news. My first thought was they can’t save us from ourselves, just near omnipotent aliens. //

Oh, isn’t that the way the story always goes? Yet, it’s those stories - the complex ones that still manage to end up with a bit of hope in the end - that help us keep going.

One of the things I liked best about Rouge One was how by the end everyone was talking of hope again, leading into “A New Hope”. We have a nasty mess in this nation right now and it’s hard to to deal with. But it’s even more impossible to deal with without hope.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:00:53am

I found a new leader of tomorrow to follow.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:05:52am

re: #186 William Lewis

Optimism is the foundation of courage. - Nicholas M. Butler

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:07:58am

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s still going at it:

Today is the day that Trumpy became….

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:09:05am

re: #122 Hecuba’s daughter

It has to be more than affairs, doesn’t it? Certainly, consensual relationships wouldn’t be a problem; if they were, Mika and Joe would have to go — or at least Joe.

What I read on the ‘net was called affairs. I am thinking it may not have been all that consensual. With the breaking of all of these allegations and revelations maybe the person involved finally found the strength to come out with the details about it all happened on the job.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:09:22am

re: #181 wheat-dogg

Twitter has debunked two of the anti-Muslim videos retweeted by Trump.

The “Muslim” beating up the kid on crutches was not a Muslim, and he was arrested.

The video of some people pushing a kid off a roof happened in Egypt in 2013. Arrests there, too.

Waiting on provenance of the third, showing an alleged imam stealing or breaking a statue of the Virgin Mary. But I’m sure it’s fake news, too.

Wait, you mean Trumpy retweeted a BS tweet without verifying it? I’m shocked, just shocked.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:10:05am

re: #191 Sir John Barron

Wait, you mean Trumpy retweeted a BS tweet without verifying it? I’m shocked, just shocked.

That’s how he rolls in the Shire. All he does is lie and his bigot base regurgitate the lies willingly.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:12:16am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

In terms of sheer contact-hours, men do not teach boys much of anything. Sister Mary Claver knew how to raise boys. You wouldn’t like it.

Are you forgetting my own Catholic education…all 12 years…elementary through high school.

Sister Evarista gave the boys the low-down.

And still guys I went to school with sloughed that all off and went with what the ‘guys’ on the playground and after school were already saying and doing.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:12:28am

re: #191 Sir John Barron

Wait, you mean Trumpy retweeted a BS tweet without verifying it? I’m shocked, just shocked.

I know. I am positively floored.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:15:46am

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s still going at it:

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Goddamn does he ever shut the fuck up?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:17:07am

באבד רשעים רנה

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:17:48am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Goddamn does he ever shut the fuck up?

No

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:18:25am

re: #197 Sir John Barron

No

Every day that this freak is President, every day I swear.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:18:56am

re: #197 Sir John Barron

No

It’s Trump’s daily temper tantrum. Seriously, I’m pretty sure there’s toddlers in their terrible-two’s who are less ill-mannered.

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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:25:54am

re: #114 ObserverArt

Many boys are/were taught what is right and wrong. The problem is many chose to ignore those teachings and do what they do anyway.

I think some of it comes from men getting together and learning how to ignore all that teaching and doing what they want anyway. That is a powerful thing. Men can be tough on each other and many weaker men follow along and then it becomes a thing they do.

Apparently learning the hard way is going to be what is needed.

people generally learn and/or know right from wrong

they do what they think they can get away with

speeding, cheating on taxes, lying, behavior towards women, treatment of employees, bribery, petty blackmail, payoffs with nda’s, on and on and on

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Bass Reeves  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:28:55am

I just can’t with Trump trying to call people out with the ish we know about him. And fork his voters and Roy Moore voters talking about Hollywood. Shirtballs, the lot of them.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:29:37am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

באבד רשעים רנה

Wow. Add this to “Couldn’t convince Hollywood that 2017 would be a believable script.”

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:30:43am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

באבד רשעים רנה

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Nice to know that a prisoner can get some lethal af poison while just hanging around in his cell.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:30:47am

re: #150 Belafon

I don’t think you’re quite remembering history correctly. How long has it actually been wrong for men to make sexual passes at women? How long has it actually been the man’s responsibility to check himself? And how long have we actually been properly teaching men to do the right thing, and by properly I mean not just saying the words but condemning it in the things we see around us?

And I know, someone’s going to say we shouldn’t have to teach men that. But shouldn’t and don’t have to are two different things. I personally wonder why so many people have trouble with simple tasks on their computers but I still help them figure it out.

Moving through the thread trying to catch up.

I was talking about my own experiences. Again, Catholic school educated by the nuns who pressed these issues a lot. I was in 7th grade in 1967, graduated 8th grade in ‘68. This was the era of hippies, free love, birth control, sexual enlightenment, etc.

The nuns rode hard on all that due to the times. Many of the guys were already ignoring it all.

Chances are others, like you, may have completely different experiences.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:32:14am

re: #203 bill d. (b.d.)

Nice to know that a prisoner can get some lethal af poison while just hanging around in his cell.

Happened at Nuremberg with Goring.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:33:04am

re: #175 makeitstop

I’ve never watched Stephanie Ruhle before. She is amazing - very sharp, clearly enthused by her work, asks all the right questions.

And she just announced the death of a former colleague in tears. She is anything but your average newsbot.

Big fan.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:34:15am

re: #158 A Mom Anon

Predator is the right word and an important distinction that’s not being made enough.

Well, I mentioned this a little bit yesterday. Some here have called Al Franken a predator. I was trying to find the line between predator and offender.

I thought calling Franken a predator. with what we know at this point, was going to far.

Roy Moore seems to fit predator.

Trump defined himself as a predator.

I think all of this needs to be defined like all other levels of crimes in degrees of offense.

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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:44:41am

re: #207 ObserverArt

Well, I mentioned this a little bit yesterday. Some here have called Al Franken a predator. I was trying to find the line between predator and offender.

I thought calling Franken a predator. with what we know at this point, was going to far.

Roy Moore seems to fit predator.

Trump defined himself as a predator.

I think all of this needs to be defined like all other levels of crimes in degrees of offense.

i think they are pretty well defined
i dont think that changes because people on the internet (gasp) or elsewhere choose to misuse or morph or outright twist the definitions so they can make their personal arguments stronger

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John Carter  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:54:00am

I was once a bartender in a restaurant. I did not think of it as a position of power but if you are a new waitress a bartender can slow your drink order enough and hassle you while you pick it up and really make life difficult.

That is not something I knew, it is something I learned. I was very attracted to this girl Dana. She was very flirty with me and others I guess - we were all college students. I asked her out after several rounds of flirting and she turned me down. I persisted in my flirting, I was young, until I saw a look in her eye. It was dread as she approached the bar.

It was like a smack in the face. Up until that moment I did not realize the power I had over her and that she had no other place to go to get her table’s drinks and how it affected her pay.

I was aghast over the situation. I felt a sense of revulsion of what I must be putting her through. Normally I would say “Needless to say” but it is necessary to say that I stopped immediately and made it clear to her that I would not pursue her anymore and that I would be professional.

To this day I can see the look she gave me even as I type this. I do not think it was her first time encountering that sort of thing.

We remained friends, she even began flirting again when she became more comfortable with me. I was really smitten by her but I kept my distance out of sheer confusion.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:55:49am

Ok, who didn’t close the italics button?

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2017 • 7:57:20am

Anyway, it’s long overdue for NBC, CNN, etc. to do some real in-depth reporting on the harassment and assault allegations against Trump. I’d say he’s welcoming the attention and they’d better get to it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:00:19am

Trump’s lost Piers Morgan.
Donald Trump retweets far-right group’s videos (BBC)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:01:21am

re: #211 Barefoot Grin

Anyway, it’s long overdue for NBC, CNN, etc. to do some real in-depth reporting on the harassment and assault allegations against Trump. I’d say he’s welcoming the attention and they’d better get to it.

Weren’t they reported on extensively during the election campaign?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:01:22am

re: #212 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump’s lost Piers Morgan.
Donald Trump retweets far-right group’s videos (BBC)

Next up? Trump ragetweets, demanding that Piers be deported.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:03:45am

re: #175 makeitstop

I’ve never watched Stephanie Ruhle before. She is amazing - very sharp, clearly enthused by her work, asks all the right questions.

And she just announced the death of a former colleague in tears. She is anything but your average newsbot.

I like her a lot. Where did you see her, I’d like to try to find video of her comments?

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:05:24am

re: #176 Targetpractice

Unfortunately here in VA, both my Senators are Democrats who are opposed to the bill. And with such a furor being kicked up by this bill, a lot of Republican senators are likely to restrict calls/messages to their constituents instead of out-of-towners.

I just fired off another missive to Rob Portman here in Ohio. I wonder if my comments even make it to him anymore as I’ve written him probably 20 times or more this year alone. Had to do it anyway.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:10:18am

re: #216 ObserverArt

I just fired off another missive to Rob Portman here in Ohio. I wonder if my comments even make it to him anymore as I’ve written him probably 20 times or more this year alone. Had to do it anyway.

I’m sure most Senators have staff to sift through them.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:13:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:17:24am

re: #203 bill d. (b.d.)

Nice to know that a prisoner can get some lethal af poison while just hanging around in his cell.

Worked for Hermann Göring

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:21:25am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:21:34am

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sure most Senators have staff to sift through erase or shred them

FIFY!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:25:34am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart

Trump is just not politically correct like all those Brit cucks. MAGA!

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:25:43am

re: #152 Belafon

I hope GoyFundMe is a misspelling.

Nope. They are an actual thing. Lots of talk about liberty, blah, blah, blah.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:26:48am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart

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It literally is one thing after the other with this shitface. First the Codetalkers. Gah I wish we could get rid of him and everyone associated with him.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:28:29am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart

Trump on non-Fox News media:
NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN are all the Fake News! Investigate! Should be banned!

Trump on other “news” sources:
Here is this tweet I found that I’m sure is totally fact shows video of Muslim here look I retweet if you agree!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:29:22am

re: #225 Sir John Barron

Trump on non-Fox News media:
NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN are all the Fake News! Investigate! Should be banned!

Trump on other “news” sources:
Here is this tweet I found that I’m sure is totally fact shows video of Muslim here look I retweet if you agree!

The guy calls CNN and NBC fake while he gets his news from Fox and Friends and Alex Jones.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:32:08am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:33:49am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

The guy calls CNN and NBC fake while he gets his news from Fox and Friends and Alex Jones.

And Britain First, or whatever it is.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:34:14am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

It literally is one thing after the other with this shitface. First the Codetalkers. Gah I wish we could get rid of him and everyone associated with him.

And it’s only Wednesday. In Trumpy’s first year.

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:35:46am

re: #142 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hmmm, so the Loving Couple given the soft gloves treatment by the Screw York Times both got fired. And Wingnut Welfare is coming to their aid…

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The Rude Pundit chimes in…

rudepundit.blogspot.com

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:37:57am

It’s alternate facts again

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:39:53am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart

It’s alternate facts again

Fuck these people. They’ll push anything to justify their hate of Muslims.

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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:40:18am

re: #230 retired cynic

The Rude Pundit chimes in…

rudepundit.blogspot.com

The issue here is not the quotidian banality of Hovater’s evil…. It’s that Hovater is evil, as in legitimately, objectively evil in a way that is almost universally defined as “evil,” and Fausset and the Times let him off the hook for his evil.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:41:01am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart

It’s alternate facts again

Sweet fancy Moses.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:42:06am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart

Sarah Sanders: “I’m not talking about the nature of the video. I think you’re focusing on the wrong thing. The threat is real, and that’s what the President is talking about.” pic.twitter.com

— NBC News

I’m still trying to process this..

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:42:38am

re: #230 retired cynic

The Rude Pundit chimes in…

rudepundit.blogspot.com

Great take. The Times ought to be ashamed.

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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:42:59am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart

It’s alternate facts again

Sarah Sanders: “I’m not talking about the nature of the video. I think you’re focusing on the wrong thing. The threat is real, and that’s what the President is talking about.”

this one time i’m changing my view that a simply and direct follow up easily could be asked.

this one time the response should have been “are you high?”

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:43:00am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart

It’s alternate facts again

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Goebbels would be so proud.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:43:18am

re: #235 Sir John Barron

I’m still trying to process this..

Anything that can be used to say the same racist tropes they keep coming back to.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:44:18am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart

It’s alternate facts again

Huck Sanders (probably): Sure, James Okeefe’s bullshit scam job about accusers of Roy Moore was a big fat lie but you’re focusing on the wrong thing, the issue is that some of these women might be making things up and the Wash Post might print false stories.

//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:46:34am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart

Amid questions about inaccurate details provided with the anti-Muslim videos that Pres. Trump retweeted, the White House says focus of the president’s retweets should be that the “threat is real,” not “whether it’s a real video.”

There are Higher Truths and the video, though fake, is valid because it supports the narrative.

Until our press starts to do its job and starts to totally call out and shut down bullshit like this, our democracy is fucked.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:50:34am

“ZOMG! These videos show we need a ban!”

“These videos are fabrications or half-truths.”

“You’re focused on the wrong thing, what matters is that we need the ban!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:57:33am

What is it about Britain First that even wingnuts find messed up by the way?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:57:39am

Twitter seriously needs to ban Dotard. If anyone else behaved like he has, they would have been booted long ago.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:58:26am

Every day now feels like this country is going to hell faster and faster.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:58:55am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

Twitter seriously needs to ban Dotard. If anyone else behaved like he has, they would have been booted long ago.

They won’t. He’s good for business.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 8:59:48am

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

Ok, who didn’t close the italics button?

Think I caught the problem in the wild this time. (See #162). My cursor has opened inside the italicized quoted text, and everything gets italicized though no hyper command is given. I installed Firefox v.57 about the time the first instance happened.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:00:01am

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Every day now feels like this country is going to hell faster and faster.

I know what you mean. It’s going to take a truly great leader to fix this damage he’s created.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:00:55am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

What is it about Britain First that even wingnuts find messed up by the way?

they are starting to catch on that this looks bad on the Presidential Twitter feed

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:01:40am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they are starting to catch on that this looks bad on the Presidential Twitter feed

Yeah but why this and why now? He’s RTed Neo-Nazis too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:01:52am

Every day the GOP lets that asshole stay in office is another black mark against them.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:03:07am

Target audience reached
SO MUCH WINNING

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:03:44am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:05:36am

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

They won’t. He’s good for business.

Also…..well, he’s the President of the United States. Sad but true, no one is going to ban him, no matter how outrageous the bullshit he tweets or posts.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:06:12am

I’m starting to feel sick. Need to focus on other, better things. Time to put Tommy Keene back on through my earbuds and check out. RIP, Tommy. You left us some of the good stuff.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:06:46am

re: #253 Ace-o-aces

Even Watson (who’s a Brit himself, IIRC) knows that Britain First is toxic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:06:47am

re: #254 Dr Lizardo

Also…..well, he’s the President of the United States. Sad but true, no one is going to ban him, no matter how outrageous the bullshit he tweets or posts.

President or not, Twitter has no obligation to give him a platform.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:07:03am

re: #253 Ace-o-aces

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This is the world we’re in. Where the people who peddled conspiracy theories think Trump may have gone too far in pushing something.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:07:11am

re: #252 FormerDirtDart

Target audience reached
SO MUCH WINNING

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Fuck you Duke.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:07:28am

Here’s some food for thought: If the Internet didn’t exist Trump would probably had never become President.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:07:44am

re: #256 Dr Lizardo

Even Watson (who’s a Brit himself, IIRC) knows that Britain First is toxic.

I didn’t know Watson was a Brit. It’s interesting that some of the biggest “America first” wingnuts are Brits. Milo and to throw an old name, Derbyshire.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:08:12am

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s some food for thought: If the Internet didn’t exist Trump would probably had never become President.

Easily. I’d amend that to say Twitter though.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:08:42am

re: #257 Eclectic Cyborg

President or not, Twitter has no obligation to give him a platform.

That’s true, but from their corporate POV, they won’t do it. There’s a lot of libertarian dudebro types in tech.

They probably figure having POTUS on Twitter = $$$ for Twitter.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:09:50am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

I didn’t know Watson was a Brit. It’s interesting that some of the biggest “America first” wingnuts are Brits. Milo and to throw an old name, Derbyshire.

Hell, Nigel Farage.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:10:30am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

That’s true, but from their corporate POV, they won’t do it. There’s a lot of libertarian dudebro types in tech.

They probably figure having POTUS on Twitter = $$$ for Twitter.

There really is too many libertarian dudebros out there in general. I feel like my youngest brother has become one in some ways. My other brother though, we see eye to eye on a lot of things though I think he’s more radical left than me but the good thing about him is I know he has his heart in the right place. I think our youngest brother is more intelligent than both of us but doesn’t have as much empathy. Go figure.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:10:41am

re: #264 Dr Lizardo

Hell, Nigel Farage.

Yep.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:10:49am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

That’s true, but from their corporate POV, they won’t do it. There’s a lot of libertarian dudebro types in tech.

They probably figure having POTUS on Twitter = $$$ for Twitter.

Exactly. Trump is the best marketing guy Twitter has ever had.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:10:57am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:13:13am

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly. Trump is the best marketing guy Twitter has ever had.

I’m pretty sure the guys at Twitter’s HQ probably all look at the wall clock, or their wristwatches, or whatever and say, “Here we go folks! Get ready - Trump’s about to start tweeting!” every morning

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:14:53am

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s some food for thought: If the Internet didn’t exist Trump would probably had never become President.

Might cost us the country, but we got some great cat memes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:15:38am

I do think in a sense that though the label was off, Sullivan may have been to something about so called South Park Republicans.

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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:16:42am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Might cost us the country, but we got some great cat memes.

mostly,

YouTube

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gocart mozart  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:16:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:16:55am
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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:17:44am

Twitter dumping, because today has been kind of a mess, and it’s barely noon.

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gocart mozart  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:17:53am

re: #268 Dr. Matt

Professional courtesy

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:17:55am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Okay Sarah, then I’m free to post a video of you fucking a goat because there’s always the threat of you screwing a goat. See, how that works.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:19:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:20:31am
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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:20:49am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:21:51am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Says a guy who literally creates fake news. GFY Jimmy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:22:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:23:48am
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bratwurst  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:27:11am

Will soon be easier to name prominent men in media NOT guilty of sexual impropriety.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:27:41am

Deafening silence from the GOP on the Trump tweets.

Will Trump EVER learn that actions of consequences?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:29:38am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

Deafening silence from the GOP on the Trump tweets.

Will Trump EVER learn that actions of consequences?

Nope.

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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:30:40am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

Deafening silence from the GOP on the Trump tweets.

Will Trump EVER learn that actions of consequences?

Of course he won’t learn that. We have a system that precisely inoculates GOP politicians from consequences, and blameshifts them toward Dems, on a constant basis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:30:45am
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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:30:54am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

Deafening silence from the GOP on the Trump tweets.

Will Trump EVER learn that actions of consequences?

the first statement makes the second irrelevant

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:31:48am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

Deafening silence from the GOP on the Trump tweets.

Will Trump EVER learn that actions of consequences?

Consequences? I don’t see any consequences that affect trump or the GOP, do you?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:33:08am

As long as the GOP base continues to support Trump, the GOP elected officials will coddle him. Some of them and I think most of them may not even like Trump but they know the game. They know that Trump is much more popular with their base than they are so it’s either abandon Trump, face being primaried. Don’t make it seem like I have sympathy for htem. I have none but that’s their end game.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:33:36am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

Deafening silence from the GOP on the Trump tweets.

Will Trump EVER learn that actions of consequences?

Maybe when we get some actual hard consequences. Until then, he is going on like the Fake President he is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:35:40am

re: #290 Skip Intro

Consequences? I don’t see any consequences that affect trump or the GOP, do you?

No and that makes me sick, because it’s sending a terrible message to our kids.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:37:16am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:37:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:37:41am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump has crossed a line with his Britain First retweets. He cannot now be welcomed on an official visit to the UK. No ifs and no buts.

But the threat is real!!!

/

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:38:12am

The video Trump RTed. That wasn’t even Muslims attacking the boy was it?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:38:39am

I swear Trump had he been around in the 19th and early 20th century would probably push the Protocols of Elders of Zion.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:39:07am

re: #284 bratwurst

Will soon be easier to name prominent men in media NOT guilty of sexual impropriety.

Yunno, I pretty much stopped watching TV in the 70’s and other than the occasional blockbuster, hardly follow Hollywood cinema. I am glad that has allowed most of this to wash over me, although I was always a big fan of Prairie Home Companion.

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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:39:24am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

No and that makes me sick, because it’s sending a terrible message to our kids.

Considering how we currently have a new generation of Neo-Nazi and white supremacy surging, I think that message has already been well and sent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:41:06am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

The video Trump RTed. That wasn’t even Muslims attacking the boy was it?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:41:17am

re: #300 Citizen K

Considering how we currently have a new generation of Neo-Nazi and white supremacy surging, I think that message has already been well and sent.

That’s what’s been killing me the most inside. We also I hate to say have a lot of unpractical young lefties who I think have had the well poisoned in a different way by Sanders. There ain’t much room for a center left liberal like me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:41:37am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Thanks BWS.

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TedStriker  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:47:50am

re: #284 bratwurst

Will soon be easier to name prominent men in media NOT guilty of sexual impropriety.

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Matt Lauer, now Garrison Keillor…that’s just who I’m aware of who’s gotten canned for behaving very badly so far today.

Damn, 2017 has certainly become a watershed year and for all the wrong reasons, ain’t it?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:47:50am

re: #268 Dr. Matt

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:49:11am

re: #305 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Of course. That would make sense.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:50:00am

re: #305 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

OFFS.

It’s just a continous circle jerk of hate with these people isn’t it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:50:15am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:51:00am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

THREE OF DEPUTY LEADER JAYDA FRANSEN’S TWITTER VIDEOS

Kneel before Zod

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:51:04am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:51:10am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jim Crow for the 21st century.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:51:51am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huck Sanders: Yeah, but, the bad person in the video could have been Muslim, so…

/

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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:52:04am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mr. Cox has only one thing wrong: Trump isn’t trying to legitimize the far-right in the UK. He’s using the far-right in the UK to legitimize it back home, all for his own sake.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:52:42am

re: #312 Sir John Barron

Huck Sanders: Yeah, but, the bad person in the video could have been Muslim, so…

/

Everyone has the potential to be Muslim so it’s real! //

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:53:03am

re: #284 bratwurst

Will soon be easier to name prominent men in media NOT guilty of sexual impropriety.

Ugh

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:53:04am

re: #313 Citizen K

Mr. Cox has only one thing wrong: Trump isn’t trying to legitimize the far-right in the UK. He’s using the far-right in the UK to legitimize it back home, all for his own sake.

You’re 100% correct.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:53:13am
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Alephnaught  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:53:26am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

White House press secretary says it doesn’t matter if the racist videos Trump tweeted are real or fake

“Whether it’s a real video, the threat is real.”

Isn’t this like when you get these idiots on social media giving you a quote from a famous person in an attempt to do an Argument From Authority manouvre on you, but thanks to your Google-fu, you can determine that it’s a fake quote. You respond to them to this effect, with links as evidence, and they respond along the lines of: “It’s doesn’t matter if the quote is fake!!! THE POINT IT MAKES IS REAL!!!!!!!!1!!ELEVENTY!!!

Oh do you bloody think so? a) If it’s real, why use a fake quote? b) The only thing that’s clear from this exchange is that it’s a fake quote. So there’s no guarantee that the issue you are talking about is real. It’s not like you’re actually checking if the “evidence” you’re using bears any resemblance to the real world.

(Usually they block me after this point.)

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:54:20am

Jennifer Rubin’s newest column tells the Democrats to stand strong:

washingtonpost.com

All of this takes place in the shadow of the tax-bill negotiations (more about that later today), but it’s indicative of Republicans’ desire to have their candy first (tax cuts) before figuring out how to pay for it and addressing competing interests on taxes. It would be a shame if, as in the 2013 shutdown, Republicans demonstrated their own ineptitude and caused widespread hardship for Americans. On the other hand, emergency spending (including national security) would continue and the debt ceiling is not an issue at this time. If shutting down the government for a few days is the price to pay for forcing Trump to retreat and to give way on DACA and CHIP, Democrats may figure it’s worth it.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:54:24am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

Deafening silence from the GOP on the Trump tweets.

Will Trump EVER learn that actions of consequences?

but tax reform and MAGA

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:55:22am

re: #319 retired cynic

Jennifer Rubin’s newest column tells the Democrats to stand strong:

washingtonpost.com

2017: JRube is a voice of reason and support.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:55:28am

Looking at the AP timeline (I think that’s what twitter calls it) of the Keillor firing, I find it very interesting this happen the same day his op-ed saying Franken should not resign came out. I’m very curious about the details of this.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:55:30am

re: #318 Alephnaught

Isn’t this like when you get these idiots on social media giving you a quote from a famous person in an attempt to do an Argument From Authority manouvre on you, but thanks to your Google-fu, you can determine that it’s a fake quote. You respond to them to this effect, with links as evidence, and they respond along the lines of: “It’s doesn’t matter if the quote is fake!!! THE POINT IT MAKES IS REAL!!!!!!!!1!!ELEVENTY!!!

Oh do you bloody think so? a) If it’s real, why use a fake quote? b) The only thing that’s clear from this exchange is that it’s a fake quote. So there’s no guarantee that the issue you are talking about is real. It’s not like you’re actually checking if the “evidence” you’re using bears any resemblance to the real world.

(Usually they block me after this point.)

I have a wingnut friend whose timeline could be debunked by Snopes. I choose not to deal with him since he’s stuck in his ways that unregulated capitalism is wonderful and that transgender people are awful freaks who should be treated like they’re disturbed. If he wasn’t my friend for over 25 years, I’d honestly would have removed him a long time ago.

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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:56:10am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

I mean, that’s one of the scariest things about Trump since he took office. The rhetorical collateral has just been immense. Just this week you had Libya pouncing on Trump’s casual ‘fake news’ labels to deny the existence of slave trafficking just because CNN Int’l was the one reporting it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:56:14am

re: #319 retired cynic

Jennifer Rubin’s newest column tells the Democrats to stand strong:

washingtonpost.com

A strange new world where Rubin is a voice of reason.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:56:30am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Whether it’s a real video, the threat is real.”

The threat that some 16-year old Dutch boys from town of Edam-Volendam are fucking assholes?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:56:46am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:56:57am

re: #324 Citizen K

I mean, that’s one of the scariest things about Trump since he took office. The rhetorical collateral has just been immense. Just this week you had Libya pouncing on Trump’s casual ‘fake news’ labels to deny the existence of slave trafficking just because CNN Int’l was the one reporting it.

Yep, I saw that. That’s the thing. His rhetoric and actions as you get have goddamn consequences beyond our borders.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:57:23am
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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:58:36am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart

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Only matters [if|if they can] vote. All the billionaires need can be done with the ones who will do what they are told to do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:58:53am

I’m sorry if the cursing seems like it’s over the top but man this guy just frustrates me not only because what he’s doing with our nation but what he’s doing to our world.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:59:25am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart

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Well we (Millenials) do need to vote and show our power as a coalition and not be prone to the political of purity.

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TedStriker  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:59:34am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:59:49am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 9:59:52am
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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:00:20am

The self-demonstrative nature of CDS, and suspicion of women in general, in full.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:00:33am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

That Lucian Wintrich thing…not excusing what he did at ALL but I am somewhat confused as to why the girl randomly grabbed his notes.

Probably just to fuck with a racist. She did good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:01:54am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

I have a wingnut friend whose timeline could be debunked by Snopes. I choose not to deal with him since he’s stuck in his ways that unregulated capitalism is wonderful and that transgender people are awful freaks who should be treated like they’re disturbed. If he wasn’t my friend for over 25 years, I’d honestly would have removed him a long time ago.

I went to look up an old High School acquaintance on FB. had one look at his pro-gun, anti-Hillary timeline posts and decided not to contact him

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:03:06am

re: #336 Citizen K

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The self-demonstrative nature of CDS, and suspicion of women in general, in full.

She wasn’t wrong about the deplorable comment. I do wish in a sense she hadn’t made it but I’m realistic, people especially white men wanted every excuse to hate her guts. She was 100% right about Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:05:51am
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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:06:14am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

She wasn’t wrong about the deplorable comment. I do wish in a sense she hadn’t made it but I’m realistic, people especially white men wanted every excuse to hate her guts. She was 100% right about Trump.

If it wasn’t the deplorable comment, it would have been something else. And as pointed out, there’s no reason that faux pas should have ever been anything close to a nail in the coffin compared to all of Trump’s sins. The only reason it was magnified was because everyone has already been conditioned to treat Hillary as the Great Satan Beyond All Satans.

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plansbandc  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:07:04am

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:07:53am

Funny thing happened to a friend over the weekend.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:08:09am

re: #342 plansbandc

Want

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:08:37am

re: #336 Citizen K

The self-demonstrative nature of CDS, and suspicion of women in general, in full.

If everything else had stayed the same, she would have lost.

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:09:14am

re: #334 FormerDirtDart

Notice that all these right wing trump assholes are young and are going to be with us a very long time.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:10:47am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:10:48am

re: #275 Citizen K

Twitter dumping, because today has been kind of a mess, and it’s barely noon.

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Dump Trump and petition the Queen to take us back.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:11:18am

re: #341 Citizen K

If it wasn’t the deplorable comment, it would have been something else. And as pointed out, there’s no reason that faux pas should have ever been anything close to a nail in the coffin compared to all of Trump’s sins. The only reason it was magnified was because everyone has already been conditioned to treat Hillary as the Great Satan Beyond All Satans.

Yeah, I should have clarified that. If it wasn’t that, it would have been something else. People left and right have been conditioned to treat her as if she’s awful. I was listening to a lecture about Stalin last night as I slept and the academic talking about Stalin couldn’t resist a Hillary dig when talking about how Bill had the innate political touch that HRC lacked in his eyes. And you’re right. Trump goddamned questioned a judge’s ability to be fair to him because of his ethnicity. That’s far worse than anything HRC said and she was right about the deplorables.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:11:19am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:12:05am

re: #348 Big Beautiful Door

Dump Trump and petition the Queen to take us back.

I’m a good small letter r- republican in politics and even I wouldn’t mind that right now.

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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:13:08am

re: #348 Big Beautiful Door

Dump Trump and petition the Queen to take us back.

I’d rather just steal Harry and Meghan for ourselves. After all, he’s likely not going to be King within his lifetime due to succession.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:15:07am

re: #352 Citizen K

I’d rather just steal Harry and Meghan for ourselves. After all, he’s likely not going to be King within his lifetime due to succession.

I wonder how a Prince could apply for US citizenship?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:16:07am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:17:52am

re: #341 Citizen K

If it wasn’t the deplorable comment, it would have been something else. And as pointed out, there’s no reason that faux pas should have ever been anything close to a nail in the coffin compared to all of Trump’s sins. The only reason it was magnified was because everyone has already been conditioned to treat Hillary as the Great Satan Beyond All Satans.

With the razor-thin deficit in a few critical states, it would be true, but useless, to say that any glitch tipped the balance. My personal favorite is that Dems should STFU about guns in rural states until we create a political environment in which sensible control is possible. (That, and quit stiffing their Labor support.)

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:18:00am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:18:31am

Is it sad I can totally see Trump saying he’ll nuke NK if Twitter doesn’t reinstate him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:19:23am

re: #353 Belafon

I wonder how a Prince could apply for US citizenship?

Well he’d have to live here for some time and renounce his titles in the UK.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:21:47am

So of the three anti-Muslim videos Trump retweeted, one was of a white guy beating up a white guy, one was of a guy beating up a statue of the Virgin Mary…yes, a fucking yard ornament, and the third was a gruesome killing.

I didn’t watch any of them. I don’t do murder porn, and my guess is Trump got off on seeing a virgin violated…even if it was plaster.

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:23:56am

Greg Sargent on the absolute surrealism of DT threatening NBC over sexual harassment:

This call for a look into vague allegations against NBC News’ chairman prompted some to marvel at how “brazen” Trump is being, given the sexual charges leveled at him, too. Similar surprise greeted Trump’s willingness to endorse Roy Moore while shrugging that Moore “totally denies” the believable charges against him, as that reminded everyone just how lacking in credibility were his own dismissals of so many equally believable accounts about himself.
But such incredulity misses the deeper significance of this stuff. The brazenness of it is the whole point — his utter shamelessness itself is meant to achieve his goal. In any given case, Trump is not trying to persuade anyone of anything as much as he is trying to render reality irrelevant, and reduce the pursuit of agreement on it to just another part of the circus. He’s asserting a species of power — the power to evade constraints normally imposed by empirically verifiable facts, by expectations of consistency, and even by what reasoned inquiry deems merely credible. The more brazen or shameless, the more potent is the assertion of power.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:26:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:28:04am
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Interesting Times  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:28:14am

re: #360 retired cynic

Greg Sargent on the absolute surrealism of DT threatening NBC over sexual harassment:

Exactly. I don’t remember now who said it, but it was one of the best descriptions of Cheeto Benito I’ve ever seen:

“He acts like he can get away with anything, and so far, it’s worked.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:29:52am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

No and that makes me sick, because it’s sending a terrible message to our kids.

I think the GOP is going to face some consequences next November.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:30:13am

April calls out SHS often.
SHS doesn’t like April.
At all.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:31:33am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

I swear Trump had he been around in the 19th and early 20th century would probably push the Protocols of Elders of Zion.

Without a doubt. He would now, if Ivanka wasn’t married to Jared.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:31:34am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:33:10am

re: #360 retired cynic

In any given case, Trump is not trying to persuade anyone of anything as much as he is trying to render reality irrelevant, and reduce the pursuit of agreement on it to just another part of the circus. He’s asserting a species of power — the power to evade constraints normally imposed by empirically verifiable facts

Well, I would argue he is trying to persuade someone of something, the “someone” of course being his deluded MAGAbot base, and the “something” being that everyone else who isn’t a worshipful MAGAbot is a liar, that only He and his fanatical band of followers are virtuous and truthful. Although “persuade” isn’t the right word exactly; he’s striving to affirm his supporters own sense of belonging.

And these attacks and twitter deluges are an attempt to distract by muddying the waters and overwhelm the public with too much information and stimulation.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:34:05am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:34:05am

re: #366 Big Beautiful Door

Without a doubt. He would now, if Ivanka wasn’t married to Jared.

That’s the only thing that keeps him from going full on Antisemite.

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:34:15am

re: #368 Sir John Barron

Perhaps he is trying to convince himself.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:35:48am

re: #350 darthstar

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:36:05am

re: #368 Sir John Barron

And these attacks and twitter deluges are an attempt to distract by muddying the waters and overwhelm the public with too much information and stimulation.

and very successfully distract us from all the damage that trump’s policies and appointees are doing to the nation’s public institutions

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:38:09am

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:38:52am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart

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Brutal. GOP identification is way behind Democrats and Independents and barely beats “something else.” With millenials, the GOP barely rises above third party status.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:40:07am

the insane road show continues:

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wrenchwench  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:41:02am
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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:41:07am

re: #375 Big Beautiful Door

Brutal. GOP identification is way behind Democrats and Independents and barely beats “something else.” With millenials, the GOP barely rises above third party status.

And meaningless as I point out above. Between gerrymandering, voter suppression and the purity ponies on the left, the GOFascists can say “What millennials?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:41:36am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:43:53am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:45:07am

re: #353 Belafon

I wonder how a Prince could apply for US citizenship?

If we make him King it will just kind of be automatic.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:48:59am
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scottslemmons  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:49:42am

I thought this made a pretty good read, and I hope it gets shared widely.

Facebook Post

Also worth considering how (and if) we’re going to get out of this. I don’t think merely electing a Democrat to the White House is going to get things back to the way they were. But I have no idea how to fix America in its current state.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:50:40am

I’m laughing, I’m crying.
Someone is seriously getting fired

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:53:33am

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

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WTF Poland.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:53:36am

re: #383 scottslemmons

I thought this made a pretty good read, and I hope it gets shared widely.

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Also worth considering how (and if) we’re going to get out of this. I don’t think merely electing a Democrat to the White House is going to get things back to the way they were. But I have no idea how to fix America in its current state.

I’d read it, but it put a giant swastika on my screen next to a tiny bar of text.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:54:57am

re: #383 scottslemmons

I thought this made a pretty good read, and I hope it gets shared widely.

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Also worth considering how (and if) we’re going to get out of this. I don’t think merely electing a Democrat to the White House is going to get things back to the way they were. But I have no idea how to fix America in its current state.

It’s going to take a lot to fix the mess that electing Trump caused. My worry is when the Democrats inevitably won’t be able to fix it all in one or even two presidential terms, we’ll be suspectable to another Republican con man.

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Teukka  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:55:41am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

WTF Poland.

Nationalism in action.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:56:09am

re: #388 Teukka

Nationalism in action.

Nationalism is a plague.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:57:51am

But we knew this. This is what Tony Schwartz, the real author of The Art of the Deal told us last year in his long apology. The only truth is what happens to be in Trump’s head at any particular moment.

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Interesting Times  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:58:17am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

Been meaning to ask you since it’s long since dropped out of the news - what happened to the VA state house? Still in GOPer control…?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:58:40am

re: #384 FormerDirtDart

I’m laughing, I’m crying.
Someone is seriously getting fired

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I suspect some mad genius hacker did this. Merry Christmas!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:58:56am

re: #390 Barefoot Grin

But we knew this. This is what Tony Schwartz, the real author of The Art of the Deal told us last year in his long apology. The only truth is what happens to be in Trump’s head at any particular moment.

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I believe it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:59:46am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

It’s going to take a lot to fix the mess that electing Trump caused. My worry is when the Democrats inevitably won’t be able to fix it all in one or even two presidential terms, we’ll be suspectable to another Republican con man.

As he said, we will be fighting rightwing authoritarianism for the rest of our lives.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:00:42am

re: #391 Interesting Times

Been meaning to ask you since it’s long since dropped out of the news - what happened to the VA state house? Still in GOPer control…?

Yeah it looks like it’s going to stay in GOP hands unfortunately. However, this is the closest the Dems have been to controlling the HoD in years.
washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:01:18am

re: #394 Big Beautiful Door

As he said, we will be fighting rightwing authoritarianism for the rest of our lives.

Yep, it’s not going away. People like Lucas will be the mainstream right of tomorrow.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:03:54am

re: #383 scottslemmons

He’s right……if indeed Trump loses re-election in 2020, the neo-authoritarian right will indeed ‘lose their goddamned minds’ (or whatever’s left of it).

That could very well be the tipping point into outright political violence.

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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:05:54am

re: #397 Dr Lizardo

A Riot Is an Ugly Thing

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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:08:33am

Take a wild guess on what Snopes says about the video.

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meteor  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:10:07am

Somebody please stop the Italics thing?

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Citizen K  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:11:14am

re: #400 meteor

Somebody please stop the Italics thing?

I don’t think it can be fixed in-thread anymore. Same sort of bug happened a week or so back.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:11:35am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

Nationalism is a plague.

this sort of mindless, reactionary nationalism most certainly is

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:12:38am

re: #400 meteor

Somebody please stop the Italics thing?

I only see them through 365. I guess the new comments since Ioaded the page don’t have the issue.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:12:46am

Should be, but he’s psychological incapable of sensing shame. Dogs have a better grasp of right and wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:12:51am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

this sort of mindless, reactionary nationalism most certainly is

Nationalism in general is. It’s one thing to love your country, it’s another to think other peoples and countries are inferior.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:13:15am

re: #400 meteor

Somebody please stop the Italics thing?

I have an italics issue, does anyone else have it? it is minor, but sometimes when I mark several paragraphs as italic, only the first one appears so, even though the tags are present in the preview. I have to go back in and mark each paragraph individually.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:13:46am

re: #404 Barefoot Grin

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Should be, but he’s psychological incapable of sensing shame. Dogs have a better grasp of right and wrong.

Watch Trump’s lackeys attack him as a “cuck” and not knowing or caring what tragedy has befallen him.

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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:13:53am

re: #390 Barefoot Grin

But we knew this. This is what Tony Schwartz, the real author of The Art of the Deal told us last year in his long apology. The only truth is what happens to be in Trump’s head at any particular moment.

New reports suggest Trump might not be a liar, is actually truly delusional …

ok good. that’s comforting
dodged a real bullet there.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:14:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:16:42am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

Nationalism in general is. It’s one thing to love your country, it’s another to think other peoples and countries are inferior.

that is only one definition of nationalism, but it is the one that is most prevalent in most Right-Wing movements

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:16:58am

re: #409 lawhawk

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Quit your bitching, Creeper.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:17:28am

re: #410 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is only one definition of nationalism, but it is the one that is most prevalent in most Right-Wing movements

That is what nationalism pretty much is. There’s patriotism, I love my country and then there’s nationalism, I love my country, fuck your nation.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:20:14am

re: #409 lawhawk

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Interesting Times  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:21:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:22:13am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

That is what nationalism pretty much is. There’s patriotism, I love my country and then there’s nationalism, I love my country, fuck your nation.

Miriam-Webster sez:

Definition of nationalism

1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:22:30am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:24:46am

re: #415 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Miriam-Webster sez:

Definition of nationalism

1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

Right, my nation is great so fuck your nation. M-W wasn’t going to be as blunt as I am heh. A lot of my undergrad history work was involved in studying nationalism. That combined with genealogical work has made me very anti-nationalism and racism.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:25:10am

re: #416 Kragar

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Moore really is a right wing judicial activist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:26:42am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:27:28am
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jaunte  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:27:42am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

That is what nationalism pretty much is. There’s patriotism, I love my country and then there’s nationalism, I love my country, fuck your nation.

We need another classification for people who think they’re nationalist patriots but support policies that make us all dumber, weaker, and poorer.

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Interesting Times  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:28:54am

re: #421 jaunte

We need another classification for people who think they’re nationalist patriots but support policies that make us all dumber, weaker, and poorer.

The GOP base.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:29:05am

re: #421 jaunte

We need another classification for people who think they’re nationalist patriots but support policies that make us all dumber, weaker, and poorer.

Yahoos?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:29:27am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:30:14am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But I thought it wasn’t a ban based off immigration. Oh wait.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:30:25am

re: #423 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Delusionals?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:31:31am

re: #416 Kragar

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Clear dog whistle. They are registering ni-CLANGS! to vote. That should scare the good, God-Fearing white people of Alabama to the polls for Moore!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:31:36am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump threatens to deport Native Americans in 3…2…1

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:32:24am

re: #426 jaunte

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:32:26am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:32:28am

re: #421 jaunte

We need another classification for people who think they’re nationalist patriots but support policies that make us all dumber, weaker, and poorer.

How about Fascists?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:32:36am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Amazing man. Glad he’s still with us to share his wisdom.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:33:10am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:33:50am

re: #427 Big Beautiful Door

Clear dog whistle. They are registering ni-CLANGS! to vote. That should scare the good, God-Fearing white people of Alabama to the polls for Moore!

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:34:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:34:24am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Right, my nation is great so fuck your nation. M-W wasn’t going to be as blunt as I am heh. A lot of my undergrad history work was involved in studying nationalism. That combined with genealogical work has made me very anti-nationalism and racism.

There is also nationalism in the sense of forming an independent state, as in Scottish or Catalan nationalism, or the original form of German nationalism, namely of the desire to form a single German state out of the patchwork of smaller nations and principalities.

But for the alt-right it is all America, Fuck Yeah!!!

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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:36:21am

re: #429 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:36:22am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:37:42am

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:37:56am

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It took accusing his brother of murder for George to lose support for him. Again, that’s the thing with conservatives. There ain’t no empathy. Scarborough (the brother) wasn’t as this gets at the racism Trump espoused nor the sexism but when he went after Joe, that was it. And George, you’re not going to see a public apology because Trump doesn’t do apologies. But hey glad you finally found out what kind of man he really is.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:38:18am

re: #428 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump threatens to deport Native Americans in 3…2…1

By all means, send them back to their native lands.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:38:29am

meanwhile in Kentucky:

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:39:09am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:40:28am

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

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All cool until it is your ox that gets gored.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:40:31am

re: #443 jaunte

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Lincoln is a Teen Vogue columnist. When did Teen Vogue become one of the best political publications?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:40:46am

re: #445 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Lincoln is a Teen Vogue columnist. When did Teen Vogue become one of the best political publications?

2017

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piratedan  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:41:01am

re: #426 jaunte

depends on what your goals were… if you wanted to eviscerate the middle class, services for the poor and run the state government into a ditch, then yes… mission accomplished.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:41:50am

re: #446 Sir John Barron

2016. They were on the case in 2016.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:42:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:42:34am

re: #445 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Lincoln is a Teen Vogue columnist. When did Teen Vogue become one of the best political publications?

because they do not give a shit about maintaining access to DT and not alienating their aging, white readership base

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:42:44am

re: #443 jaunte

BREAKING: Democrat operatives in Alabama are REGISTERING THOUSANDS OF FELONS all across the state in an effort to swing the US Senate election to Doug Jones! #ALSen al.com

— Judge Roy Moore

Needz moar George Soros, Saul Alinsky, community activists, etc.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:43:32am

re: #443 jaunte

BREAKING: Democrat operatives in Alabama are REGISTERING THOUSANDS OF FELONS all across the state in an effort to swing the US Senate election to Doug Jones! #ALSen al.com

— Judge Roy Moore

Judge, are you retweeting junk from Project Veritas again?

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:47:49am

re: #365 Backwoods_Sleuth

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April calls out SHS often.
SHS doesn’t like April.
At all.

The media should all refuse to attend the stupid Christmas party.

Should.

What a bunch of petty assholes the whole White House is.

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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:47:50am

re: #443 jaunte

A man accused of felony sex crimes thinks he should be allowed to be US SENATOR while some people he doesn’t like convicted of lesser crimes shouldn’t even be allowed to vote against him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:49:01am

re: #454 dangerman

Roy knows that there is nothing illegal going on but hopes it will help galvanize and motivate his base.

and it will probably fucking work because it’s Alabama

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dangerman  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:50:57am

re: #455 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Roy knows that there is nothing illegal going on but hopes it will help galvanize and motivate his base.

and it will probably fucking work because it’s Alabama

yup
how dare citizens who have the right to vote actually register and vote against me

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:51:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:51:53am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:52:17am

re: #454 dangerman

I’ve seen nothing that suggests Moore actually believes in democracy. He’s a theocrat.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:52:47am

re: #458 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, I’m sure hat’s just a coincidence.//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:53:59am
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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:54:40am

re: #400 meteor

Somebody please stop the Italics thing?

Is that only being seen by certain systems? I don’t see all the italics everyone is talking about.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:55:22am

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:55:26am

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

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JFC.

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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:56:31am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:57:46am

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:58:07am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:58:09am

re: #384 FormerDirtDart

BREAKING: American Airlines says computer glitch allowed all pilots to take vacation over Christmas week. Now union says thousands of flights are in jeopardy of cancellation. Americans says they’re offering 1.5x pay for pilots to fill in and expect to resolve the issue.
— Sam Sweeney (@SweeneyABC) November 29, 2017

I have 6 hours flight simulator time on a C-130 and 4 hours on a P-3. I can offer my services to AA for 1.45x pay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:02:23pm

re: #467 FormerDirtDart

Murkowski to vote “yes” on GOP’s tax bill

it’s gonna pass, fer chrissakes…ACA repeal failure was a real moral fillip, but I have given up hope on this one

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:02:51pm

yeah, when they started talking about adding in “triggers” if cuts failed to see growth in revenue I never expected it to lead to tax increases.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:03:59pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:07:33pm

re: #409 lawhawk

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:07:58pm

re: #465 Kragar

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Fake but accurate…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 29, 2017 • 12:22:10pm

re: #470 FormerDirtDart

yeah, when they started talking about adding in “triggers” if cuts failed to see growth in revenue I never expected it to lead to tax increases.

The slaughterings will continue until morale improves.


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