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dangerman  Dec 15, 2018 • 5:59:35pm

More in inclusive vs exclusive from the last thread

Dems:
a) affordable health care
b) equal treatment under the law for everyone
c) affordable education
d) clean air, clean water and safe food
e) the right to worship (or not), no matter the religion

We improve by improving the lives of others.
We don’t stop people from voting.

Republicans have to lie. They can’t run on the truth about their goals because their goals sum up as making the rich richer and repealed everything related to the New Deal

They cheat and when they cheat they are cheating you.

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Belafon  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:03:35pm

I can’t wait for Thile’s performance with Machine Head.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:04:54pm

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Belafon  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:06:06pm

I was trying to find the band’s name, and I ran across this:

96-Yyear-Old Holocaust Escapee Fronts Death Metal Band:

Inge Ginsberg is 96 years old. The night before World War II began, she escaped the Holocaust to a refugee camp in Switzerland. Once the war ended, she and her husband, Otto Kollmann, moved to Hollywood and made a career writing songs for iconic artists such as Nat King Cole, Doris Day and Dean Martin, among others.

After leaving Hollywood, she began writing poetry. At age 93 she was introduced to metal and has been using heavy music as a new way to be heard; as she says, “In American, and even European culture, old people are excluded from life….Nobody really cares what you have to say.” But at age 96, she’s learned a new way to get people to care, or at least take notice: she performs with musicians Lucia Caruso and Pedro da Silva, who are also known as the TritoneKings.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:08:45pm
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jaunte  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:17:44pm
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Belafon  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:19:26pm

re: #6 jaunte

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“I mean, look at all the indictments!”

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:20:32pm

re: #6 jaunte

CuriousLurker posted the gross stuff all the time here, so we’d know. I always replied with this, and I always got updinged. PBUH

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:21:16pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

CuriousLurker posted the gross stuff all the time here, so we’d know. I always replied with this, and I always got updinged. PBUH

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Have an upding on CL’s behalf. God bless her, I miss her.

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:21:19pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

“The penguins vomit, but the caravan moves on.”

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:25:13pm

re: #9 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Have an upding on CL’s behalf. God bless her, I miss her.

She taught me a lot about internet etiquette, mainly *where* the line is and proper times to stay behind or cross it, and how that kind of thing is fluid on the internet. She was amazing, one of the kindest folk I’ve never met. She is missed.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:27:06pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

She taught me a lot about internet etiquette, mainly *where* the line is and proper times to stay behind or cross it, and how that kind of thing is fluid on the internet. She was amazing, one of the kindest folk I’ve never met. She is missed.

She is definitely missed. I know lots of Lizardim were closer to her than I was, but yet even I still remember when I logged on and learned of her untimely passing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:27:32pm

re: #6 jaunte

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He’s right. Except he means no administration has done more to piss off the American people. He hasn’t done shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:28:01pm

Left hanging on the last thread because I’m slow:

re: #250 TedStriker

She seems like a BangBros type of girl.

/sorta

Troma.

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:29:12pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

But he’s always shattering new precedents:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:29:23pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

She is definitely missed. I know lots of Lizardim were closer to her than I was, but yet even I still remember when I logged on and learned of her untimely passing.

She was a great poster. Liked her stories about being a cab driver and how she would call shit out if people made crappy remarks about Muslims but she treated everyone with respect regardless of their religious or lack there of beliefs.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:30:35pm

re: #15 jaunte

But he’s always shattering new precedents:

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Haw haw

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:31:26pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

She was a great poster. Liked her stories about being a cab driver and how she would call shit out if people made crappy remarks about Muslims but she treated everyone with respect regardless of their religious or lack there of beliefs.

It’s kinda funny, because around here, 90% of the cab drivers are Somali. Most of the racist idjits around these parts complain about black people rather than Muslims.

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TedStriker  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:31:32pm

re: #9 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Have an upding on CL’s behalf. God bless her, I miss her.

re: #11 teleskiguy

She taught me a lot about internet etiquette, mainly *where* the line is and proper times to stay behind or cross it, and how that kind of thing is fluid on the internet. She was amazing, one of the kindest folk I’ve never met. She is missed.

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

She is definitely missed. I know lots of Lizardim were closer to her than I was, but yet even I still remember when I logged on and learned of her untimely passing.

re: #16 HappyWarrior

She was a great poster. Liked her stories about being a cab driver and how she would call shit out if people made crappy remarks about Muslims but she treated everyone with respect regardless of their religious or lack there of beliefs.

To absent friends.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:31:48pm

re: #19 TedStriker

To absent friends.

Slainte.

[Drinks.]

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:34:00pm

re: #19 TedStriker

To absent friends.

I’ll drink to that.

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wrenchwench  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:34:16pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

She was amazing, one of the kindest folk I’ve never met

She worked at being kind. Not because it was difficult, but because the work was worth it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:34:18pm

re: #19 TedStrikerre: #16 HappyWarrior

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

re: #11 teleskiguy

I will always miss my internet sister. A soul heaven should cherish.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:34:59pm

re: #18 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s kinda funny, because around here, 90% of the cab drivers are Somali. Most of the racist idjits around these parts complain about black people rather than Muslims.

Most of ours are Middle Eastern but a father of a friend of my brother’s from Ghana also drove one for a long time as did my own Dad when I was really young.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:35:29pm

re: #23 Unshaken Defiance

I will always miss my internet sister. A soul heaven should cherish.

You talked with her son IIRC. I hope he’s doing well. She also had a brother whom I believe she was close with as well.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:37:15pm

re: #23 Unshaken Defiance

I will always miss my internet sister. A soul heaven should cherish.

I believe we will both see that soul again someday. Hopefully later rather than sooner, for us, but still.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:39:40pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

She is definitely missed. I know lots of Lizardim were closer to her than I was, but yet even I still remember when I logged on and learned of her untimely passing.

It was such a shock when I heard of her passing; she felt like a real friend though I never knew her IRL. Her posts were thoughtful and provocative. I miss her.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:39:54pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

You talked with her son IIRC. I hope he’s doing well. She also had a brother whom I believe she was close with as well.

Yes, I did and her boss who gave me the news. Life is so precious, so easily lost.
I was not gonna post about this, but why not. Almost lost mother in law yesterday. the memorial for my dear friend and boss of 34 years is tomorrow.
Every Day Is Precious.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:42:19pm

re: #28 Unshaken Defiance

Yes, I did and her boss who gave me the news. Life is so precious, so easily lost.
I was not gonna post about this, but why not. Almost lost mother in law yesterday. the memorial for my dear friend and boss of 34 years is tomorrow.
Every Day Is Precious.

Picked up the ashes of my dog earlier in the week. It was tough. It’s just a reminder of how life is. You just hate saying goodbye to those we love. It’s never easy.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:42:25pm

Wisdom!!

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:43:30pm

CL Aminah of course would not drink alcohol, but would appreciate her friends toasting her in our own fashion.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:44:26pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

Imagine being only famous for having the privilege to get away with posing with a gun like a criminal lecturing a person who has actually earned their living. You’re a moron Kaitlin and your right wing sugar daddies are going to get get tired of you sooner rather than later.

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:45:19pm

re: #31 Unshaken Defiance

CL Aminah of course would not drink alcohol, but would appreciate her friends toasting her in our own fashion.

Giphy

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:45:24pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Picked up the ashes of my dog earlier in the week. It was tough. It’s just a reminder of how life is. You just hate saying goodbye to those we love. It’s never easy.

We always have the good memories, and that’s the thing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:46:09pm

re: #34 Unshaken Defiance

We always have the good memories, and that’s the thing.

Yep. Memories and sharing them. I think that’s one of those things that makes being human so unique.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:46:29pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

The threads are hilarious! This one has a Kaitlin/Raman pitch…..

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:46:34pm

And now, of course, I’m remembering friends whom I have never disclosed to you, who were lost before I met you. To absent friends, slainte.

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:47:36pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

Wisdom!!

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Ah, the ever-popular wingnut talking point that “Anything that does not directly benefit me is ‘theft.’”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:47:48pm

re: #36 Dave In Austin

The threads are hilarious! This one has a Kaitlin/Raman pitch…..

I think it’s pretty rich of her to lecture Daou about anything considering the health care she has is most definitely due to still being able to stay on her parents plan per ACA rules but then again her spiritual sister Tomi Lahren loves to say crap about liberals while still living with her folks.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:48:45pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

Ah, the ever-popular wingnut talking point that “Anything that does not directly benefit me is ‘theft.’”

No one ever called the wasteful DoD spending the GOP has no problem with “theft.” Taxes are only “theft” when it’s social spending.

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:49:23pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

“steal from some to give to others because you’re too lazy to get out your own wallet”

The old “civilization is socialism” argument.

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:50:39pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

Ah, the ever-popular wingnut talking point that “Anything that does not directly benefit me is ‘theft.’”

Remember N.W.A.’s “Fuck Tha Police” from way back in the day? If conservatives are so high IQ and the most creative motherfuckers ever why haven’t we heard the dope rap record “Fuck Government Handouts” from these assholes?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:50:47pm

re: #41 jaunte

The old “civilization is socialism” argument.

It’s a pretty lame one and totally unoriginal.

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:51:09pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

No one ever called the wasteful DoD spending the GOP has no problem with “theft.” Taxes are only “theft” when it’s social spending.

Not even that, it’s “theft” when they don’t see direct benefits to them. They love the idea of SS and Medicare/Medicaid, they just hate that they have to share it with “those people.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:51:56pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Not even that, it’s “theft” when they don’t see direct benefits to them. They love the idea of SS and Medicare/Medicaid, they just hate that they have to share it with “those people.”

Which to Bernie keeping score at home, that’s a big part of why we “lost” the white working class voters.

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:51:58pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

“Hey, Fire Department, I’ll take care of my own damn blazes thankyouverymuch.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:53:11pm

re: #46 jaunte

“Hey, Fire Department, I’ll take care of my own damn blazes thankyouverymuch.”

People never see it that way. You’re not mooching if you’re the one benefiting. It’s fucking shit how Republicans push this crap on people. But people like Kaitlin are the ones who keep it going by believing the bullshit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:55:35pm

‘Prophet’ Jeremiah Johnson Prays That Good Things Happen As Trump’s ‘Grip Tightens on the Nation’

Today on “The Jim Bakker Show”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:55:56pm

I love how these conservative assholes just automatically assume that none of us, you know, don’t mind chipping in to help pay for the care of others.

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:57:21pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

I GOT MINE, FUCK YOU!

That’s how millions of Americans think. It’s a cultural rot.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:58:02pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

I love how these conservative assholes just automatically assume that none of us, you know, don’t mind chipping in to help pay for the care of others.

When they see celebrities chipping in to help take care of others they scream WHY DON’T THOSE HOLLYWOOD LEFTIES GIVE AWAY EVERYTHING THEY OWN & LIVE IN THE STREET!!!!!! as though everyone has to be either a greedy fuck or destitute homeless.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 6:59:45pm

re: #27 Hecuba’s daughter

It was such a shock when I heard of her passing; she felt like a real friend though I never knew her IRL. Her posts were thoughtful and provocative. I miss her.

I regret that I only came here shortly before she passed away. One thing I learned from her we have in common a love of guinea pigs.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:00:32pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

When they see celebrities chipping in to help take care of others they scream WHY DON’T THOSE HOLLYWOOD LEFTIES GIVE AWAY EVERYTHING THEY OWN & LIVE IN THE STREET!!!!!! as though everyone has to be either a greedy fuck or destitute homeless.

Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:01:32pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

I love how these conservative assholes just automatically assume that none of us, you know, don’t mind chipping in to help pay for the care of others.

I tell you this much. I’d much rather know my tax money was going to people being able to improve their lives than to military waste because a Congressman needed to please his donors. Social spending benefits us all.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:02:21pm

Possible troll just registered.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:02:47pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I think it’s pretty rich of her to lecture Daou about anything considering the health care she has is most definitely due to still being able to stay on her parents plan per ACA rules but then again her spiritual sister Tomi Lahren loves to say crap about liberals while still living with her folks.

She’s on that libertarian “taxation is theft” thing, along with not understanding how insurance works.

No one took anything for the ACA, any more than they did requiring car insurance to drive on the road.

Wingnuts seem to have this idea that requiring insurance is some kind of “gotcha.” The answer of course is “okay, single payer.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:03:33pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

She’s on that libertarian “taxation is theft” thing, along with not understanding how insurance works.

No one took anything for the ACA, any more than they did requiring car insurance to drive on the road.

Wingnuts seem to have this idea that requiring insurance is some kind of “gotcha.” The answer of course is “okay, single payer.”

She’s a moron who is only famous for one thing.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:03:35pm

re: #41 jaunte

It does make one wax a bit nostalgic considering what changes by the hour anymore.

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:04:29pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Possible troll just registered.

It’s times like these that I wish I had the Master Spy open.

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:04:41pm

re: #58 Dave In Austin

They all talk about “seasteading”, but I don’t see anyone jumping into a rowboat.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:04:50pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

Wisdom!!

Kaitlin Bennett
@KaitMarieox
Imagine being a political party whose burning mission it is to call it compassionate to steal from some to give to others because you’re too lazy to get out your own wallet, and then accusing those who disagree of being racist.

Peter Daou

@peterdaou
Imagine being a political party whose burning mission is to take health care away from sick peoole because a black president gave it to them. #ACA #Obamacare

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Hopefully one day when she is older, she will be wiser and will regret these words. When my generation was young and foolish, we were fortunate not to have a Twitter or FB that would immortalize our foolishness for all time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:05:40pm

re: #41 jaunte

The old “civilization is socialism” argument.

Yup, because everyone has a couple hundred thousand dollars sitting in the bank to pay for their own heart surgery, or treatment after being shot by one of her friends.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:05:53pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

She’s on that libertarian “taxation is theft” thing, along with not understanding how insurance works.

No one took anything for the ACA, any more than they did requiring car insurance to drive on the road.

Wingnuts seem to have this idea that requiring insurance is some kind of “gotcha.” The answer of course is “okay, single payer.”

What’s really odd is my high school sweetheart/first husband is a libertarian and always has been. He is not against taxes and recognizes that they are necessary for us to enjoy the things we have, like infrastructure, etc. It seems like all the other libertarians are weird about taxes…like this shit just grows on trees or magically appears.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:05:53pm

re: #61 Hecuba’s daughter

Hopefully one day when she is older, she will be wiser and will regret these words. When my generation was young and foolish, we were fortunate not to have a Twitter or FB that would immortalize our foolishness for all time.

Some learn, others don’t unfortunately. I don’t hate her TBH. I feel bad for her that she got undeserved fame for proving that privilege exists about gun ownership and being too full of herself to realize it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:05:57pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Possible troll just registered.

Oh please oh please oh PLEEEEEASE boss let us play for a little bit before dropping the banhammer pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:06:52pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

She’s on that libertarian “taxation is theft” thing, along with not understanding how insurance works.

No one took anything for the ACA, any more than they did requiring car insurance to drive on the road.

Wingnuts seem to have this idea that requiring insurance is some kind of “gotcha.” The answer of course is “okay, single payer.”

As we learned all those years ago when Ron Paul was asked if a person without insurance should be left to die to the roaring approval of the wingnut audience, they truly believe that if you’re not wealthy enough to afford full coverage insurance, then the alternative is to die quietly in a corner away from where they can see you.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:07:07pm

Yup, troll. Registered two accounts with South Korean IPs, immediately tried to post a page. Buh bye.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:07:43pm

re: #65 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh please oh please oh PLEEEEEASE boss let us play for a little bit before dropping the banhammer pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

It’s been a long time since we have had a troll barbecue.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:07:44pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Yup, troll. Registered two accounts with South Korean IPs, immediately tried to post a page. Buh bye.

Aww. We never get any fun toys these days. They always try to hide instead of engaging directly.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:08:14pm

re: #63 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

What’s really odd is my high school sweetheart/first husband is a libertarian and always has been. He is not against taxes and recognizes that they are necessary for us to enjoy the things we have, like infrastructure, etc. It seems like all the other libertarians are weird about taxes…like this shit just grows on trees or magically appears.

I actually have a few libertarian friends. Some are more reasonably minded than others. But yeah, it’s this idea that shit is just gonna fund itself though libertarians to be fair are more forthright about it than conservatives are. I think libertarians are good on some issues to the point where I’d rather the left take that approach i.e. drug laws but on fiscal policy, they’re clueless because their whole philosophy is just less government is great which is really naive IMO.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:08:24pm

re: #65 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh please oh please oh PLEEEEEASE boss let us play for a little bit before dropping the banhammer pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

Can’t do that any more, because they’re trying to post phishing links. Gotta shut em down before they can do that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:08:44pm

re: #68 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

It’s been a long time since we have had a troll barbecue.

Yeah can’t remember the last time we had a real troll.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:08:51pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

As we learned all those years ago when Ron Paul was asked if a person without insurance should be left to die to the roaring approval of the wingnut audience, they truly believe that if you’re not wealthy enough to afford full coverage insurance, then the alternative is to die quietly in a corner away from where they can see you.

And they are too dumb to realize that they are the ones who are expected to go off and die quietly in a corner.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:09:28pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Can’t do that any more, because they’re trying to post phishing links. Gotta shut em down before they can do that.

Yeah, I remember when you had 15 “Microsoft India Support Links” pages in your sidebar. I understand. Gotta shut ‘em down before any real damage is done. Still, it’s been a while since we’ve had a real chew toy to play with. :(

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:10:09pm

re: #63 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

What’s really odd is my high school sweetheart/first husband is a libertarian and always has been. He is not against taxes and recognizes that they are necessary for us to enjoy the things we have, like infrastructure, etc. It seems like all the other libertarians are weird about taxes…like this shit just grows on trees or magically appears.

There is a meme among Libertarians (image Google “MUHROADS”) that promotes the belief that roads, bridges, & the like just “build themselves” because GUBMIT HIRE PRIVATE CONTRACTERS TO BUILD TEH RODES!!!!!

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:10:26pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I actually have a few libertarian friends. Some are more reasonably minded than others. But yeah, it’s this idea that shit is just gonna fund itself though libertarians to be fair are more forthright about it than conservatives are. I think libertarians are good on some issues to the point where I’d rather the left take that approach i.e. drug laws but on fiscal policy, they’re clueless because their whole philosophy is just less government is great which is really naive IMO.

Well, the man I’m talking about got a degree in economics, but then again, he still didn’t think naively about it before he got the degree. I think some people just don’t think things through.

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:10:42pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

When they see celebrities chipping in to help take care of others they scream WHY DON’T THOSE HOLLYWOOD LEFTIES GIVE AWAY EVERYTHING THEY OWN & LIVE IN THE STREET!!!!!! as though everyone has to be either a greedy fuck or destitute homeless.

The holy scripture of the Church of Rand declares that there are only two types of people in the world: “the producers” and “parasites.” And since the faithful absolutely refuse to believe themselves to be “parasites,” they all lie to themselves that they’re “the producers” even as scream bloody murder about “KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:10:43pm

re: #73 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

And they are too dumb to realize that they are the ones who are expected to go off and die quietly in a corner.

We have too much of our society who is conditioned to hate the worker more who wants better wages, benefits, and working conditions than the employer denying him that. It’s fucked up. I get that unions are imperfect but I trust unions to fight for employees well beings far more than any businessman especially one who has no personal connection to the men and women he/she employees.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:10:56pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Yeah can’t remember the last time we had a real troll.

Ah, the good ol’ days.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:11:06pm

Thank you Charles…….

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Charles Johnson  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:11:19pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The first time those spammers hit, they managed to post almost FIVE HUNDRED links like that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:11:23pm

re: #79 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Ah, the good ol’ days.

Back in the days when trolls actually trolled, instead of using registration as a conduit to phishing. Oy vey.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:11:41pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

There is a meme among Libertarians (image Google “MUHROADS”) that promotes the belief that roads, bridges, & the like just “build themselves” because GUBMIT HIRE PRIVATE CONTRACTERS TO BUILD TEH RODES!!!!!

There is just so much stupidity there. In a way, I think libertarians are similar to Marxists in a way they’ll never comprehend since they’re too self absorbed with theory at the expense of real life reality.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:12:02pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Can’t do that any more, because they’re trying to post phishing links. Gotta shut em down before they can do that.

Thanks for looking out so well. We don’t need that stink around here

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:12:17pm

re: #79 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Ah, the good ol’ days.

Indeed, the days when the trolls were more free-range and we got to play with them like cats playing with a mouse before their ultimate date with the banhammer.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:12:29pm

re: #61 Hecuba’s daughter

Hopefully one day when she is older, she will be wiser and will regret these words. When my generation was young and foolish, we were fortunate not to have a Twitter or FB that would immortalize our foolishness for all time.

I doubt it, as social media reinforces your own beliefs. Algorithms from those companies drive more of the same at you. (YouTube is famous for it.)

I don’t see a whole lot of libertarians moving to Somalia. No gun regulations (nor much of any other regulation).

My understanding is she went to college at Kent State (a state-run college).

She’s desperately seeking attention, but conservatives have already moved on from her.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:12:30pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

There is a meme among Libertarians (image Google “MUHROADS”) that promotes the belief that roads, bridges, & the like just “build themselves” because GUBMIT HIRE PRIVATE CONTRACTERS TO BUILD TEH RODES!!!!!

Off to go check that out (anything, really, to avoid working).

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:12:32pm

UCCH

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:13:19pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

The first time those spammers hit, they managed to post almost FIVE HUNDRED links like that.

Dayum, dude. I mean, I knew it was bad because I’m an early morning lizard and I saw how many spam links they got on the front page before they got banhammered, but that’s about an order of magnitude bigger than I imagined. They don’t fuck around, do they.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:13:22pm

re: #76 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Well, the man I’m talking about got a degree in economics, but then again, he still didn’t think naively about it before he got the degree. I think some people just don’t think things through.

In my observations of them, I think it’s their belief that the government should completely be hands off in some matters which is something I can get behind on some issues means the government should completely be hands off. As I’ve articulated my basic economic philosophy. Some things should be government run, some things should be up to the market, some should have both, and some should have neither.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:14:11pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

There is a meme among Libertarians (image Google “MUHROADS”) that promotes the belief that roads, bridges, & the like just “build themselves” because GUBMIT HIRE PRIVATE CONTRACTERS TO BUILD TEH RODES!!!!!

In college, I attended a debate between a socialist and a libertarian. Most libertarians haven’t learned anything since then; they really seemed to follow the Ayn Rand model of the wealthy get all the toys and protection and the poor deserve nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:14:27pm

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

UCCH

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I don’t see it. He’s not going to have HRC to pound on and he’s actually going to have to defend his record rather than acting like he knows what he’s doing. Being an incumbent benefits most Presidents, being one won’t benefit Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:16:04pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Indeed, the days when the trolls were more free-range and we got to play with them like cats playing with a mouse before their ultimate date with the banhammer.

Spammers are not fun. They don’t engage in conversation and they can fuck up your site really bad. Charles is absolutely correct to block them immediately.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:16:27pm

re: #63 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

What’s really odd is my high school sweetheart/first husband is a libertarian and always has been. He is not against taxes and recognizes that they are necessary for us to enjoy the things we have, like infrastructure, etc. It seems like all the other libertarians are weird about taxes…like this shit just grows on trees or magically appears.

My wife was a Libertarian Party member (when she was a whole lot richer than we are today), even serving as the campaign treasurer for a candidate for the US House from Colorado.

After the housing market downturn wiped out her stock portfolio, her employer went belly up, her own start-up software company failed, and a bank essentially stole her IRA, she came across homeless me.

She now lives on a tiny fraction of the money she used to have, and sees the inherent flaws of libertarian theology.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:16:43pm

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:18:14pm

re: #95 I Would Prefer Not To

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It’s the Bedrock annual swingers party.

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:18:51pm

re: #95 I Would Prefer Not To

The PRE-BIRTH of Christ!

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:19:02pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

Spammers are not fun. They don’t engage in conversation and they can fuck up your site really bad. Charles is absolutely correct to block them immediately.

True, spammers should be immediately banned without exception. But back in the Bad Ol’ Days, they were generally the exception rather than the rule when it came to dealing with trolls in the comment sections.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:20:32pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

Kaitlin went to Kent STATE University. Where does she think it gets its operating budget from?

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:21:09pm

re: #99 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Kaitlin went to Kent STATE University. Where does she think it gets its operating budget from?

Like I said downstairs, she’s a fucking moron.

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:21:31pm

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

UCCH

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Author seriously buries the lede:

But if Trump can find a way to broaden his voter appeal, eat into the Democratic advantage on healthcare and shine a big spotlight on the Democratic Party’s cantankerous ways in Congress now that they have the House back, Trump will be a two term president.

If anything, Trump’s voter appeal continues to shrink, he offers absolutely nothing on the subject of healthcare and is likely to be hated even more as he gleefully prays aloud for the ACA to be abolished via the courts, and he’s already started off his sparring with the House DNC by staking a position that he kept for all of a day before beginning to back down.

Unless he finds himself running against a McGovern or Mondale, he’s gonna be out on his ass come 2021.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:23:21pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Author seriously buries the lede:

If anything, Trump’s voter appeal continues to shrink, he offers absolutely nothing on the subject of healthcare and is likely to be hated even more as he gleefully prays aloud for the ACA to be abolished via the courts, and he’s already started off his sparring with the House DNC by staking a position that he kept for all of a day before beginning to back down.

Unless he finds himself running against a McGovern or Mondale, he’s gonna be out on his ass come 2021.

OR a Bernie or Tulsi…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:24:10pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Author seriously buries the lede:

If anything, Trump’s voter appeal continues to shrink, he offers absolutely nothing on the subject of healthcare and is likely to be hated even more as he gleefully prays aloud for the ACA to be abolished via the courts, and he’s already started off his sparring with the House DNC by staking a position that he kept for all of a day before beginning to back down.

Unless he finds himself running against a McGovern or Mondale, he’s gonna be out on his ass come 2021.

I love the Trump hypothetical. A lot of them are contingent on Trump being totally different than the orange troll he is.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:24:13pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I don’t see it. He’s not going to have HRC to pound on and he’s actually going to have to defend his record rather than acting like he knows what he’s doing. Being an incumbent benefits most Presidents, being one won’t benefit Trump.

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

UCCH

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My sister believes that will happen because she doesn’t see anyone among the Democratic candidates who will excite the base and get sufficient votes. She looks at Trump as the Teflon candidate whose base excuses him for behaviors that would destroy anyone else. And we also have the problem of the “progressives” who refuse to play with anyone else.

I don’t share these views but the efforts of Republicans nationwide to suppress votes and disenfranchise voters could indeed lead to that outcome.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:24:38pm

re: #102 Joe Bacon 🌹

OR a Bernie or Tulsi…

Bernie or Tulsi are McGovern Mondales :).

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:24:58pm

re: #95 I Would Prefer Not To

300 million years of Conifers!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:25:32pm

re: #104 Hecuba’s daughter

My sister believes that will happen because she doesn’t see anyone among the Democratic candidates who will excite the base and get sufficient votes. She looks at Trump as the Teflon candidate whose base excuses him for behaviors that would destroy anyone else. And we also have the problem of the “progressives” who refuse to play with anyone else.

I don’t share these views but the efforts of Republicans nationwide to suppress votes and disenfranchise voters could indeed lead to that outcome.

I just don’t see how anyone could have a glass half empty feeling after the midterms.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:25:45pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Author seriously buries the lede:

If anything, Trump’s voter appeal continues to shrink, he offers absolutely nothing on the subject of healthcare and is likely to be hated even more as he gleefully prays aloud for the ACA to be abolished via the courts, and he’s already started off his sparring with the House DNC by staking a position that he kept for all of a day before beginning to back down.

Unless he finds himself running against a McGovern or Mondale, he’s gonna be out on his ass come 2021.

Hey, let’s not compare a real war hero and great Senator like George McGovern with the likes of Fritz Mondale. I mean, I voted for him and all, but JFC, what a toad.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:26:06pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Bernie or Tulsi are McGovern Mondales :).

Hey, I _liked_ Mondale!

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:26:25pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

I love the Trump hypothetical. A lot of them are contingent on Trump being totally different than the orange troll he is.

Ayep, basically “Trump can totally win reelection!” runs under the assumption that he’s going to be…well, anybody but Trump. Or that the Dem nominee will be so far out to the left that Donny can run as he is and seem “reasonable” by comparison.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:26:52pm

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

UCCH

The writer pretty much covered his bets on Trump.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:26:56pm

re: #108 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hey, let’s not compare a real war hero and great Senator like George McGovern with the likes of Fritz Mondale. I mean, I voted for him and all, but JFC, what a toad.

Hey!

I voted for both of them.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:27:07pm

re: #95 I Would Prefer Not To

It is an unwritten law in broadcast TV land that every series MUST have a Christmas show, no matter how forced the tie-in could be. Usually the Christmas episodes are painful to watch, as the writers try to weave in Christmas festivities into shows where the character’s religions are rarely if ever mentioned and cultural references to the “real world” are often subdued to keep the plots and characters “in universe.” *

Star Trek, as a SF show, escaped that particular curse, though.

* The CW’s The Flash, though, does manage to mention both Star Wars and Star Trek on occasion, as well as classic movies unknown to the visitors from the multiverse worlds. Its writers manage to insert Christmas into the show without it being too awkward.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:27:20pm

My belief is this. Trump benefited heavily from how much people hated HRC. I can’t state that enough. Plus I think he’s going to struggle big time actually having to defend himself. And honestly we’re due. We’ve only had four two term Presidents in a row once in our history and that was years ago when the electorate was much smaller. Plus I think Trump’s economic fuck ups are going ot be more apparent by 2020 that a Dem candidate can ask if voters were ebtter off in 2016 versus 2020.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:28:37pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Plus Comey. Plus the Russians.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:29:03pm

Speaking of trolling

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:29:32pm

re: #115 retired cynic

Plus Comey. Plus the Russians.

It really was The Perfect Shitstorm.
(Now streaming on MSNBC)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:29:48pm

re: #115 retired cynic

Plus Comey. Plus the Russians.

Yeah. And honestly we’re ready for the fucker this time.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:29:58pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

It really was The Perfect Shitstorm.
(Now streaming on MSNBC)

It really was.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:31:50pm

re: #116 Dave In Austin

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Mrs. Cornyn doesn’t look happy to be there.

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:32:30pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:32:53pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Yeah. And honestly we’re ready for the fucker this time.

It took 20 years to realize what was going on and effectively fight back after the Lee Atwater election in 1988. Hopefully it’ll only take four to counter tRumpism—it is much less subtle after all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:33:54pm

re: #109 retired cynic

Hey, I _liked_ Mondale!

I voted for him in 1984 against Ronald Reagan.

Mondale took the worst shellacking in history.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:34:50pm

re: #122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It took 20 years to realize what was going on and effectively fight back after the Lee Atwater election in 1988. Hopefully it’ll only take four to counter tRumpism—it is much less subtle after all.

I really think 2016 was the last stand of the assholes. But then again, I thought no way Trump would win but I do think I definitely did underestimate how many people were as eager to vote against HRC. And tbh maybe some of us do underestimate Sanders as a nominee but o the other hand, I think he’s more overrated as what he’d actually accomplish as President so the idea that Bernie is “electable” doesn’t mean a damn thing to me.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:35:51pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

I think the economy is going to tank before 2020. Trump and his Randian gnome advisors mis-calculated the Great Robbery, aka tax cuts, possibly because they actually believe their own voodoo dogma to some extent, but mostly because they are the economic JV and they simply don’t expect the inflationary spiral to set in so quickly or be so severe.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:36:06pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

Like I said downstairs, she’s a fucking moron.

Is the website “Hot or Not?” still around? Kaitlin for me would be a “Not.” Or a swipe left on Tinder. She’s still trying to find her niche audience. Gun lovers already have Dana Loesch, so that job is filled. Owning the libz at universities has Milo, Ben Shapiro, and others, so the market is saturated. Her lame-ass “interviews” on the campus she supposedly graduated from are simply painful to see, so being a talking head/vlogger is not in the cards. Now she’s trying cheesecake photos + guns to get attention, and I’m sorry honey, you’re not that cute.

If she’s still living at home, and if I were her dad, I’d give her a month to find a real job and then move out, or else start paying rent. She seems awfully concerned about people pulling their own weight, after all.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:36:22pm

re: #112 retired cynic

Hey!

I voted for both of them.

So did I but, after the Eagleton fiasco, it was clear that the odds were against McGovern, especially given his less than charismatic personality. In any case, Edmund Muskie should have been the candidate in 1972 and perhaps the results would have been different.

Reagan had charisma and was able to overcome a terrible debate performance in 1984 that suggested he might have been losing his mental capacity. Like McGovern, Mondale had no charisma. I actually supported John Glenn but that was in the day when his interviews were less than stellar — and more of a Bush word salad style.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:37:37pm

re: #127 Hecuba’s daughter

Yep. Muskie was my guy, and that was a dirty, dirty trick.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:40:17pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

There is a meme among Libertarians (image Google “MUHROADS”) that promotes the belief that roads, bridges, & the like just “build themselves” because GUBMIT HIRE PRIVATE CONTRACTERS TO BUILD TEH RODES!!!!!

Oh, my. LOL.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:41:09pm

re: #128 retired cynic

Yep. Muskie was my guy, and that was a dirty, dirty trick.

Muskie’s daughter was a family friend of my cousin’s mother. Don’t know too much about him tbh but I think he could have given Nixon a run for his money in ‘72 without the CREEP assholes. McGovern was a great man, a patriot but he was a terrible idea for a nominee.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:42:11pm

re: #126 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

….

If she’s still living at home, and if I were her dad, I’d give her a month to find a real job and then move out, or else start paying rent. She seems awfully concerned about people pulling their own weight, after all.

I would fine if she returned to school to get the advanced degrees needed to get a position in her field of biology.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:42:31pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

My belief is this. Trump benefited heavily from how much people hated HRC. I can’t state that enough. Plus I think he’s going to struggle big time actually having to defend himself. And honestly we’re due. We’ve only had four two term Presidents in a row once in our history and that was years ago when the electorate was much smaller. Plus I think Trump’s economic fuck ups are going ot be more apparent by 2020 that a Dem candidate can ask if voters were ebtter off in 2016 versus 2020.

When a conservative is failing, he starts a war to distract from his failures, then blames liberals for being anti-American for opposing it.

Considering the hyper-fear mongering going on over potential asylees in Mexico, and claims Mexico isn’t doing anything about it (because it is not illegal in Mexico for them to be there), I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump launched a war against Mexico.

Who in the world would stop him? Threats against the USA from other countries would be empty. No one is going to impose sanctions against us.

Lots of protests would be lodged, but that would be it.

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Belafon  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:44:08pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

Wisdom!!

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No compassion for the wealthy:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:46:37pm

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

When a conservative is failing, he starts a war to distract from his failures, then blames liberals for being anti-American for opposing it.

Considering the hyper-fear mongering going on over potential asylees in Mexico, and claims Mexico isn’t doing anything about it (because it is not illegal in Mexico for them to be there), I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump launched a war against Mexico.

Who in the world would stop him? Threats against the USA from other countries would be empty. No one is going to impose sanctions against us.

Lots of protests would be lodged, but that would be it.

True but I think this would backfire on him in an ugly way.

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Belafon  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:46:48pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

Ah, the ever-popular wingnut talking point that “Anything that does not directly benefit me is ‘theft.’”

It’s even worse because it doesn’t benefit most of them.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:47:35pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I think the economy is going to tank before 2020. Trump and his Randian gnome advisors mis-calculated the Great Robbery, aka tax cuts, possibly because they actually believe their own voodoo dogma to some extent, but mostly because they are the economic JV and they simply don’t expect the inflationary spiral to set in so quickly or be so severe.

I’ve been reading Ray Dalio’s study of big debt crises in history, and his recount of the events leading up to the Great Depression sounded exactly what Trump has been doing since he took office, particularly raising tariffs sharply, backing out of trade agreements, and deregulating industries. However, there is one big difference between now and then: the US and most of the developed world were on the gold standard, which Dalio explains limited their abilities to respond to recessions and inflation. Even so, the pattern of events leading up to the stock market crash of ‘29 and the government response to it reminds me a lot of our current situation. And Hoover was one or two standard deviations smarter than Trump.

Here’s the Amazon link, but it’s also available for free if you hunt for it. Dalio made it available as a free PDF.

amazon.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:47:52pm

re: #135 Belafon

It’s even worse because it doesn’t benefit most of them.

In a way it does. I’ve always tied a better educated population to a more prosperous country. You help the little guy now and he does well for himself later. Kind of like you know student loans.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:50:25pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

My belief is this. Trump benefited heavily from how much people hated HRC. I can’t state that enough. Plus I think he’s going to struggle big time actually having to defend himself. And honestly we’re due. We’ve only had four two term Presidents in a row once in our history and that was years ago when the electorate was much smaller. Plus I think Trump’s economic fuck ups are going ot be more apparent by 2020 that a Dem candidate can ask if voters were ebtter off in 2016 versus 2020.

Actually, if Trump were reelected, it would be the 1st time in history the US had four consecutive presidents reelected.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:50:27pm

re: #36 Dave In Austin

The threads are hilarious! This one has a Kaitlin/Raman pitch…..

Of course the interwebtubes has already provided a pictorial representation of that….

Ramen hair
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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:52:16pm

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

I would fine if she returned to school to get the advanced degrees needed to get a position in her field of biology.

I mean she’s free to post her opinions on Twitter but she is beyond fucking clueless. It’s clear that she hasn’t any education about politics or has read anything beyond right wing talking points.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:52:45pm

re: #138 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Actually, if Trump were reelected, it would be the 1st time in history the US had four consecutive presidents reelected.

You’re right. It would be. I had forgotten that Quincy Adams was not re-elected.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:54:47pm

re: #139 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Of course the interwebtubes has already provided a pictorial representation of that….

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I saw the original image downstairs. One of you had a great observation of what someone posted, “A gun isn’t a personality.” She has no real personality that she shows. She’s like a breathing version of those stupid gun strawmen that VB used to find in the Sandy Hook aftermath.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:55:37pm

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

I would fine if she returned to school to get the advanced degrees needed to get a position in her field of biology.

I feel somewhat sorry for her — somehow she learned the lesson that women succeed only through their appearance and not real accomplishments. Too many conservative men judge women only on their looks (yes - I know progressives can be equally bad) and that’s the community she has joined. She is a lost soul.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:56:33pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Muskie’s daughter was a family friend of my cousin’s mother. Don’t know too much about him tbh but I think he could have given Nixon a run for his money in ‘72 without the CREEP assholes. McGovern was a great man, a patriot but he was a terrible idea for a nominee.

Why does it seem that someone in your family knows everyone!?! LOL.

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Belafon  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:56:48pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

In a way it does. I’ve always tied a better educated population to a more prosperous country. You help the little guy now and he does well for himself later. Kind of like you know student loans.

Sorry, I mean that most of the things they’re calling theft aren’t things being stole from them, so there’s no benefit to giving whatever it is back. They actually get hurt by “undoing” the “theft.”

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:57:29pm

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

When a conservative is failing, he starts a war to distract from his failures, then blames liberals for being anti-American for opposing it.

Considering the hyper-fear mongering going on over potential asylees in Mexico, and claims Mexico isn’t doing anything about it (because it is not illegal in Mexico for them to be there), I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump launched a war against Mexico.

Who in the world would stop him? Threats against the USA from other countries would be empty. No one is going to impose sanctions against us.

Lots of protests would be lodged, but that would be it.

I think WE would stop him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:58:26pm

re: #143 Hecuba’s daughter

I feel somewhat sorry for her — somehow she learned the lesson that women succeed only through their appearance and not real accomplishments. Too many conservative men judge women only on their looks (yes - I know progressives can be equally bad) and that’s the community she has joined. She is a lost soul.

I do too. She has no idea that cynical people are using her to push an agenda that she has no idea about but eventually you do have to learn to think for yourself. Maybe she has a moment she realizes she’s being used. I just hope we’re not seeing her in 20-25 yaars spouting out the same shit like Ann Coulter and the spiritual bigoted wingnut grandmama, Phyills Schlafly who always amused me for railing against women being outside the home while being outside the home.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:59:14pm

re: #144 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Why does it seem that someone in your family knows everyone!?! LOL.

Well when you grow up in the DC area, you know Washington people. My grandfather’s protege even has a wikipedia page.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:59:36pm

re: #138 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Actually, if Trump were reelected, it would be the 1st time in history the US had four consecutive presidents reelected.

Just remember a candidate could win 60+% of the popular vote and lose the election courtesy of the electoral college. Gerrymandering and voter suppression are much more sophisticated today than prior generations.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:59:44pm

re: #145 Belafon

Sorry, I mean that most of the things they’re calling theft aren’t things being stole from them, so there’s no benefit to giving whatever it is back. They actually get hurt by “undoing” the “theft.”

Ahhh I think I got ya now.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 7:59:45pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

In a way it does. I’ve always tied a better educated population to a more prosperous country. You help the little guy now and he does well for himself later. Kind of like you know student loans.

Yes, we see that, but they don’t. They never will. Being educated is being elitist. Can’t have the poor things made to feel that they are inadequate because of an educated populace.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:00:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:01:13pm

re: #129 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Oh, my. LOL.

It costs real money to maintain our dirt and sand streets to keep them from becoming quagmires. To a libertarian, roads come from the road fairy or something.

In a libertarian paradise where roads are run by private corporations or something, there would be a toll booth at the end of your driveway.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:01:21pm

re: #152 Single-handed sailor

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TBH if he were younger, he’d be the perfect candidate to take on Trump because he could compare his record to Trump’s and it would be a giant check mate.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:01:49pm

re: #151 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Yes, we see that, but they don’t. They never will. Being educated is being elitist. Can’t have the poor things made to feel that they are inadequate because of an educated populace.

We’re so weird about elites too.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:01:58pm

re: #143 Hecuba’s daughter

I feel somewhat sorry for her — somehow she learned the lesson that women succeed only through their appearance and not real accomplishments. Too many conservative men judge women only on their looks (yes - I know progressives can be equally bad) and that’s the community she has joined. She is a lost soul.

The thing is that she’s not all that hot. She’s cute, but in a cute way like I was when I was her age. Nothing to write home about, though. I’d have been embarrassed to do what she does.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:02:37pm

re: #152 Single-handed sailor

WSJ sez “leaves behind structural problems.” Bless their hearts.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:04:15pm

re: #156 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

The thing is that she’s not all that hot. She’s cute, but in a cute way like I was when I was her age. Nothing to write home about, though. I’d have been embarrassed to do what she does.

I certainly wouldn’t call her ugly or unattractive but she’s not stunning. She got their attention simply by posing with the gun and I think it’s sad that she doesn’t realize that or if she does, she’s a very cynical person. That whole image she posted to me proved that gun ownership in this country is privilege. If she had been a black girl posing with the same gun in the same pose, the right wingers who lauded her would have lost their shit. FWIW I hate gun posing photos whoever does it. I think it’s fucking lame and makes you look stupid rather than tough.

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Belafon  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:04:35pm

re: #152 Single-handed sailor

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So, it sounds like they’ve got their finances in order, and it’s time to solve some of the other problems. I would start with buying buying Arizona and making companies spread their operations.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:05:03pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

TBH if he were younger, he’d be the perfect candidate to take on Trump because he could compare his record to Trump’s and it would be a giant check mate.

Yep, and my 1st ex-husband, the libertarian? Thinks Jerry Brown has done a fantastic job in California. Go figure.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:05:23pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

We’re so weird about elites too.

In what way?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:05:31pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

I do too. She has no idea that cynical people are using her to push an agenda that she has no idea about but eventually you do have to learn to think for yourself. Maybe she has a moment she realizes she’s being used. I just hope we’re not seeing her in 20-25 yaars spouting out the same shit like Ann Coulter and the spiritual bigoted wingnut grandmama, Phyills Schlafly who always amused me for railing against women being outside the home while being outside the home.

Phyllis Schlafly and Ann Coulter were both attorneys; they actually got advanced degrees and used them for their twisted benefit. Kaitlen doesn’t have that educational accomplishment in her resume. Maybe Melania is serving as a role model to the new generation of conservative women — snag a rich guy by dressing skimpily and appealing to his vanity.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:05:35pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

I voted for him in 1984 against Ronald Reagan.

Mondale took the worst shellacking in history.

my first presidential vote

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:05:45pm

re: #157 retired cynic

WSJ sez “leaves behind structural problems.” Bless their hearts.

He could have fixed that too, but some assholes voted for term limits.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:06:34pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

I certainly wouldn’t call her ugly or unattractive but she’s not stunning. She got their attention simply by posing with the gun and I think it’s sad that she doesn’t realize that or if she does, she’s a very cynical person. That whole image she posted to me proved that gun ownership in this country is privilege. If she had been a black girl posing with the same gun in the same pose, the right wingers who lauded her would have lost their shit. FWIW I hate gun posing photos whoever does it. I think it’s fucking lame and makes you look stupid rather than tough.

Yep, if you have to open carry or post pictures of you with your gun, there is something fundamentally wrong with you.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:07:14pm

re: #161 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

In what way?

A lot of ways but I was thinking about how we love elite athletes but we hate the idea of an intellectual elite in politics. We want “the guy we can have the beer with” rather than the guy who has actually taken the time to study all the complex problems that we face as a people. There’s a lot about populism that really rubs me the wrong way. The whole “regular guy knows best” and “common sense” really bugs me because frankly as a regular guy, I don’t always know best and I don’t always have common sense.

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William Lewis  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:07:28pm

Oh the crimes of radio in america.

Remember the Nick Lowe track “Cruel to be Kind”? Got that slick radio ready track in your mind?

Here’s what it started off as in the UK… Insanely better

Nick Lowe - “Cruel To Be Kind (Original Version)” (Official Audio)

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:07:53pm

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

Phyllis Schlafly and Ann Coulter were both attorneys; they actually got advanced degrees and used them for their twisted benefit. Kaitlen doesn’t have that educational accomplishment in her resume. Maybe Melania is serving as a role model to the new generation of conservative women — snag a rich guy by dressing skimpily and appealing to his vanity.

I’m so glad that my young daughters already have the self-esteem enough to not do that.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:08:09pm

re: #163 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

my first presidential vote

Me, too!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:08:51pm

re: #165 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Yep, if you have to open carry or post pictures of you with your gun, there is something fundamentally wrong with you.

In such a posed matter too. Like if she wanted to argue gun politics, sure, I’d welcome that because I think it’s worthy of discussion/debate but her whole thing is “Look at me boys, I’m posing scantily clad with a gun” and a lot of people who know guns better than I have pointed out that she’s not really being smart or safe. They pose with guns like they’re props. They’re not fucking props. They’re fucking guns.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:09:44pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

A lot of ways but I was thinking about how we love elite athletes but we hate the idea of an intellectual elite in politics. We want “the guy we can have the beer with” rather than the guy who has actually taken the time to study all the complex problems that we face as a people. There’s a lot about populism that really rubs me the wrong way. The whole “regular guy knows best” and “common sense” really bugs me because frankly as a regular guy, I don’t always know best and I don’t always have common sense.

Oh, okay. I get where you are coming from now. I thought you meant “we - on the left” and you mean “we - in general.” Makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:10:05pm

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

Phyllis Schlafly and Ann Coulter were both attorneys; they actually got advanced degrees and used them for their twisted benefit. Kaitlen doesn’t have that educational accomplishment in her resume. Maybe Melania is serving as a role model to the new generation of conservative women — snag a rich guy by dressing skimpily and appealing to his vanity.

I am aware. I’m just saying that Phyillis shat on women being outside the home while being outside hthe home. TBH it’s not Melania that is their role model. It’s more so people like Milo. Be outrageous and think you’re “owning the libs” but really making yourself look like a moron.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:12:02pm

re: #171 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Oh, okay. I get where you are coming from now. I thought you meant “we - on the left” and you mean “we - in general.” Makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying!

Not a problem. But yeah. It’s actually something I see more in right wing populism than left wing populism. I think lefty populists value competence more than just platitudes. FWIW I don’t see myself as a populist. I think populism has its uses but I don’t like how it’s used these days.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:12:11pm

re: #167 William Lewis

Oh the crimes of radio in america.

Remember the Nick Lowe track “Cruel to be Kind”? Got that slick radio ready track in your mind?

Here’s what it started off as in the UK… Insanely better

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Video

Yep, that’s completely different!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:13:00pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

I do too. She has no idea that cynical people are using her to push an agenda that she has no idea about but eventually you do have to learn to think for yourself. Maybe she has a moment she realizes she’s being used. I just hope we’re not seeing her in 20-25 yaars spouting out the same shit like Ann Coulter and the spiritual bigoted wingnut grandmama, Phyills Schlafly who always amused me for railing against women being outside the home while being outside the home.

Phyllis Schlafly always claimed she had her husband’s permission.

Her legacy in her son Andrew is “Conservapedia.”

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:13:53pm

I voted for Ross Perot……
There, I said it. I’m out.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:14:37pm

re: #168 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

I’m so glad that my young daughters already have the self-esteem enough to not do that.

I don’t see my niece turning out that way either. I love how confident she is. Sometimes it’s a little arrogant lol but I love that she is confident in her abilities to tell me that she can rock climb better than me and you know what, she definitely can for her age. I’m so glad that my brother and SiL don’t limit her activities by gender constructs. She has some things that are more traditionally girly about her, others more tomboyish or even boyish but they’re letting her be her own individual.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:15:05pm

re: #129 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Oh, my. LOL.

What a load of derp in those images.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:15:47pm

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

Phyllis Schlafly always claimed she had her husband’s permission.

Her legacy in her son Andrew is “Conservapedia.”

What I didn’t know about her is that she started out as a right wing opponent of Ike’s when Ike first ran for President. I knew about there being RW opposition to Ike since he was seen as too close to FDR and Truman by the hardcore anti New Dealers but didn’t know that was Phylllis’s really bad origin story.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:19:30pm

The thing though about populism and “we just need common sense” is we wouldn’t want it in any other field. I don’t want a surgeon or mechanic with “common sense.” I want someone who knows what they’re talking about and can solve my problem whether it be with my vehicle or body. If they’re likable people, that’s a great bonus but it’s not the only thing and frankly a lot of these right wing “common sense” people are assholes who don’t have common sense. Right wing “common sense” is just dumbing down complex issues to a platitude “Drill baby drill”, “Read my lips, no new taxes” or “Mexico will pay for it” are examples of that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:19:32pm

re: #139 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Of course the interwebtubes has already provided a pictorial representation of that….

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May she do the Coach Leroy Fedders thing and drown in a bowl of soup in Mary Hartman’s kitchen

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:20:28pm

re: #176 Dave In Austin

I voted for Ross Perot……
There, I said it. I’m out.

I was going to vote for Ross Perot until he went a little crazy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:21:24pm

Speaking of daughters, my younger one will be here for Christmas.
The older one will stay in Massachusetts, since it’s a major logistical feat to move her entourage around the country (4 children, including two toddlers). Beyond that, my son-in-law is a minister and has to be at his home church for Christmas. Her now-widowed mother will get on her broom a plane and fly up there from her grotto in Oklahoma and no doubt try to monopolize, brainwash, and generally annoy the grandchildren. I will go after the first of the year to remind the children that I exist and that grandparents can be cool after all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:21:44pm

The thing is there are so many of these right wing “celebs” out there whose sole thing is “owning the left.” No, having people tell you that you’re owning the left isn’t owning jack shit. Ben Shapiro has “never owned me.” In fact, I’ve seen more than a few times where he’s been exposed as being the empty suit he is. Tomi Lahren talks all the shit she does about immigrants yet is oblivious to her own family story. Charlie Kirk and Jacob Wohl repeatedly get their facts wrong though obviously they’re trying to mislead.

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makeitstop  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:21:59pm

re: #167 William Lewis

Oh the crimes of radio in america.

Remember the Nick Lowe track “Cruel to be Kind”? Got that slick radio ready track in your mind?

Here’s what it started off as in the UK… Insanely better

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Video

That sounds more like Lowe’s earlier band, Brinsley Schwartz.

Honestly, I prefer the version with Rockpile playing it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:22:59pm

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

It costs real money to maintain our dirt and sand streets to keep them from becoming quagmires. To a libertarian, roads come from the road fairy or something.

In a libertarian paradise where roads are run by private corporations or something, there would be a toll booth at the end of your driveway.

Yeah, but you’re perfectly at liberty (do they still favor the phrase “perfectly at liberty”?) to buy up the right-of-way and build your own road to wherever you want to go and then undercut them on the tolls—because of course they wouldn’t have chosen the shortest, cheapest route in the first place.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:24:45pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

I don’t see my niece turning out that way either. I love how confident she is. Sometimes it’s a little arrogant lol but I love that she is confident in her abilities to tell me that she can rock climb better than me and you know what, she definitely can for her age. I’m so glad that my brother and SiL don’t limit her activities by gender constructs. She has some things that are more traditionally girly about her, others more tomboyish or even boyish but they’re letting her be her own individual.

My youngest is a fantastic rock climber and that girl has absolutely no fear! She is not afraid of falling because she trusts the rope that much. It’s too bad that her dad doesn’t go rock climbing anymore and that she had to stop taking her classes at the climbing gym due to his inability to afford it. She’s been climbing for years!

My other daughter is too funny. She will scramble up rocks much higher than she should without a rope because it’s dangerous, but put a harness and rope on her and she will go about 2 feet above the ground, get scared, and demand to be lowered. I’m in between. The last time I rock climbed, my ex got scared leading and told me I needed to finish it. I hadn’t been climbing in ages and had never actually led, but I jumped up and got the rest of the rope up. I was determined not to fall, and I felt pretty good. It wasn’t really a hard climb…I think 5.7, but for me, that was hard enough because I had to get the rope above the crux and I’m not as tall as my ex. It was fun, though!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:24:57pm

re: #176 Dave In Austin

I voted for Ross Perot……
There, I said it. I’m out.

Ross Perot was very eccentric but I loved his commercials and always respected his business skills. His running mate was in the military and a true hero during the Vietnam war; unlike the Pauls, he was a libertarian who was left on the social issues. I don’t know how Perot would have performed as president, but he was not dishonest. No comparison between him and Trump.

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William Lewis  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:25:04pm

re: #185 makeitstop

That sounds more like Lowe’s earlier band, Brinsley Schwartz.

Honestly, I prefer the version with Rockpile playing it.

Brinsley good point. That’s cool though, I just really enjoy finding the differences like this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:28:24pm

re: #187 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

My youngest is a fantastic rock climber and that girl has absolutely no fear! She is not afraid of falling because she trusts the rope that much. It’s too bad that her dad doesn’t go rock climbing anymore and that she had to stop taking her classes at the climbing gym due to his inability to afford it. She’s been climbing for years!

My other daughter is too funny. She will scramble up rocks much higher than she should without a rope because it’s dangerous, but put a harness and rope on her and she will go about 2 feet above the ground, get scared, and demand to be lowered. I’m in between. The last time I rock climbed, my ex got scared leading and told me I needed to finish it. I hadn’t been climbing in ages and had never actually led, but I jumped up and got the rest of the rope up. I was determined not to fall, and I felt pretty good. It wasn’t really a hard climb…I think 5.7, but for me, that was hard enough because I had to get the rope above the crux and I’m not as tall as my ex. It was fun, though!

It’s a fun hobby. And hey 5.7 is impressive. That’s where I am right now. They’re all different though.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:29:17pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

The thing though about populism and “we just need common sense” is we wouldn’t want it in any other field. I don’t want a surgeon or mechanic with “common sense.” I want someone who knows what they’re talking about and can solve my problem whether it be with my vehicle or body. If they’re likable people, that’s a great bonus but it’s not the only thing and frankly a lot of these right wing “common sense” people are assholes who don’t have common sense. Right wing “common sense” is just dumbing down complex issues to a platitude “Drill baby drill”, “Read my lips, no new taxes” or “Mexico will pay for it” are examples of that.

Well, right wing “common sense” isn’t really common sense. It’s based on absolutely nothing except whatever silliness floats around in their empty skulls. I do want professionals who are well trained in their field, but also have true common sense. I want everyone to have true common sense! Like me!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:29:34pm

re: #181 Joe Bacon 🌹

May she do the Coach Leroy Fedders thing and drown in a bowl of soup in Mary Hartman’s kitchen

“My chicken soup has taken a human life!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:32:18pm

Alright. Going to bed. Learning about the history of post revolutionary Mexico on a podcast . Fascinating stuff.

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makeitstop  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:32:42pm

re: #189 William Lewis

Brinsley good point. That’s cool though, I just really enjoy finding the differences like this.

I hear ya.

One outstanding example is the song ‘Girls Talk’ by Elvis Costello, which Dave Edmunds covered (again, with Rockpile doing the track). Edmunds’ version is very poppish, while Costello’s original is about as different as it can be.

And as much as I love Rockpile, Costello’s version gets my vote.

Elvis Costello - Girls Talk

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:33:48pm

When out and about, one will never know who they will run into:

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:34:35pm

re: #139 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Top Party Girl FUN CALL 299₽/MИH.

She should start a podcast with that psycho Q Girl from Twitter.

20-somethings in the throes of the “I Know Everything” phase are walking tragedies. In the good old days, we were insufferable know-it-all shits WITHOUT spreading it all over the internet….

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:34:44pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Speaking of daughters, my younger one will be here for Christmas.
The older one will stay in Massachusetts, since it’s a major logistical feat to move her entourage around the country (4 children, including two toddlers). Beyond that, my son-in-law is a minister and has to be at his home church for Christmas. Her now-widowed mother will get on her broom a plane and fly up there from her grotto in Oklahoma and no doubt try to monopolize, brainwash, and generally annoy the grandchildren. I will go after the first of the year to remind the children that I exist and that grandparents can be cool after all.

Sounds perfect! You can deprogram them!

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:36:58pm

re: #185 makeitstop

That sounds more like Lowe’s earlier band, Brinsley Schwartz.

Honestly, I prefer the version with Rockpile playing it.

I like that version better as well.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:37:24pm

Oooh, the coyotes are close tonight. Hope my feral kitties are all tucked in with warm bellies. They all scarfed at the supper table tonight.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:41:12pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:43:02pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

It’s a fun hobby. And hey 5.7 is impressive. That’s where I am right now. They’re all different though.

In the past, I’ve been able to consistently climb a 5.7. It’s iffy after that. It’s been almost two years now since I last climbed and before that it was years…so I’ve lost a heck of a lot of strength and I’m getting old at 52.

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:43:10pm

re: #176 Dave In Austin

I voted for Ross Perot……
There, I said it. I’m out.

I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, and that’s one of many egregious votes I’ve made.

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William Lewis  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:45:55pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, and that’s one of many egregious votes I’ve made.

I helped with the Anderson campaign in 1980 which taught me to never do third party again. But I couldn’t vote that year. My first presidential vote was for Reagan’s re-election despite hating him because I couldn’t vote for Mondale after he gutted NASA.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:48:04pm

re: #195 bd(Redacted)

When out and about, one will never know who they will run into:

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OMG! That’s hilarious!

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:49:03pm

re: #199 retired cynic

Oooh, the coyotes are close tonight. Hope my feral kitties are all tucked in with warm bellies. They all scarfed at the supper table tonight.

I love hearing the coyotes yip, yip, yipping away.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:49:54pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, and that’s one of many egregious votes I’ve made.

Mine was John Anderson in ‘80. But I don’t think voting for Carter would have helped him much.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:50:18pm

re: #205 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

I love hearing the coyotes yip, yip, yipping away.

I do, too, and I hate the coyote hunters, out for bounty. But I don’t like it when they get my feral kittens. Something did last week, and picked off three of the little ones. I found one body….

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:53:14pm

re: #207 retired cynic

I do, too, and I hate the coyote hunters, out for bounty. But I don’t like it when they get my feral kittens. Something did last week, and picked off three of the little ones. I found one body….

So sorry to hear that. Life is difficult for the feral cats and their offspring.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:55:05pm

re: #167 William Lewis

Oh the crimes of radio in america.

Remember the Nick Lowe track “Cruel to be Kind”? Got that slick radio ready track in your mind?

Here’s what it started off as in the UK… Insanely better

Took a vote on it at Chez Tumbleweed. I like it better, my wife likes the 1979 version better.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:56:32pm

re: #207 retired cynic

I do, too, and I hate the coyote hunters, out for bounty. But I don’t like it when they get my feral kittens. Something did last week, and picked off three of the little ones. I found one body….

Oh, that part sucks!

Camping out by Area 51 once, we were being shot at by what the local sheriffs said were probably coyote hunters. I call bullshit on that because they had a huge spotlight that highlighted our vehicles and pop-up trailers and they shot right at us. Good thing they sucked, but we got the hell out of there super quick and spent the night at the Little A’Le’Inn. The husbands were camped up in the mountains looking for a cave and there was one guy left in camp. He actually had a weapon, but he took off before we women could gather the babies and the dogs and we found him in the bar!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:56:42pm

re: #206 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Mine was John Anderson in ‘80. But I don’t think voting for Carter would have helped him much.

John Anderson was a good guy and probably would have been the best president of the three but unfortunately it’s tough to run as a third party candidate on the national stage in any event, especially if you are not a billionaire who can self-fund.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 8:58:09pm

re: #208 Hecuba’s daughter

So sorry to hear that. Life is difficult for the feral cats and their offspring.

It is so cold for those babies, too. They have a snug hole under my deck, another not quite so snug under the ramp to the porch, and I had a very snug little house made, and it has a nice plush bed in it. I can’t catch them. Have tried. Did touch the two youngest as they ate tonight, because I can stroke the older kittens… now young cats. Would love to get them in the house and warm and FIXED, so there aren’t more, and more… No luck so far on that!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:02:56pm

re: #200 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

United States democratic party seeks to mobilize youth against oppressions of Donald Trump.

— DPRK News Service

I thought that was supposed to be a parody account. /s

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:04:53pm

Via John Cole:

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:06:37pm

re: #212 retired cynic

It is so cold for those babies, too. They have a snug hole under my deck, another not quite so snug under the ramp to the porch, and I had a very snug little house made, and it has a nice plush bed in it. I can’t catch them. Have tried. Did touch the two youngest as they ate tonight, because I can stroke the older kittens… now young cats. Would love to get them in the house and warm and FIXED, so there aren’t more, and more… No luck so far on that!

I’ve always hated feral cats because they were messing up my kids’ play area. However, now that I’m renting, I don’t have that for the kids and when I was spending time with first ex-husband after my divorce, he has some ferals that he feeds as well as one who belongs to someone, but who comes over when they are at work and hangs out at his place and he feeds him, too. LOL. There is a small feral cat who comes near me while I’m sitting on my steps. I’ve fed it a few times. I actually need to get some real cat food to put out. Anyway, this little one wouldn’t come near me, but the last few times, actually came up to my open hand and tried to claw me. So maybe it’s starting to get used to me? I couldn’t bring it in the house though because I’m renting and there is a no pets clause.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:07:35pm

re: #211 Hecuba’s daughter

John Anderson was a good guy and probably would have been the best president of the three but unfortunately it’s tough to run as a third party candidate on the national stage in any event, especially if you are not a billionaire who can self-fund.

Now I cannot remember why I favored Anderson over Carter, but I saw him as a far better candidate than Reagan, who was too old and too right-wing to suit me. Anderson now would be anathema in the Republican Party, because he favored the ERA, among other so-called “liberal” ideas.

He was the only third-party candidate I’ve voted for. None of the others have really appealed to me, and I learned from the 1980 campaign that voting for a third-party candidate only steals votes from the Democrats, as nearly every presidential campaign since I turned 18 has pitted a relatively liberal candidate against a relatively conservative candidate. The third party candidates typically rest in between the extremes, and conservative voters never choose even a slightly liberal candidate.

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Targetpractice  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:08:53pm

re: #214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Via John Cole:

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:09:27pm

re: #214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Via John Cole:

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Eye bleach! STAT!

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:11:21pm

re: #214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Via John Cole:

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Okay, you know how I said that I was cute at that age, but not all that? I’ve changed my mind. I was way better than that and have the photos to prove it. LOL. No, I’m not posting them here, either, so don’t ask. ;-)

Shit, if she’s going to pose with that much makeup on her face, she should have put some nylons on to try to make her legs look better.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:11:44pm

re: #203 William Lewis

I helped with the Anderson campaign in 1980 which taught me to never do third party again. But I couldn’t vote that year. My first presidential vote was for Reagan’s re-election despite hating him because I couldn’t vote for Mondale after he gutted NASA.

Except that’s not what happened. Mondale didn’t “gut NASA.” Mondale was involved in an investigation after the Apollo 1 tragedy where he discovered NASA was keeping secret files on contractor performance. Mondale forced the secret files into the open, which had the result of NASA being more open about reports in the future.

He was portrayed in a movie as being against the space programme, when he was not.

en.wikipedia.org (section on NASA investigation)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:14:44pm

re: #219 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Okay, you know how I said that I was cute at that age, but not all that? I’ve changed my mind. I was way better than that and have the photos to prove it. LOL. No, I’m not posting them here, either, so don’t ask. ;-)

Shit, if she’s going to pose with that much makeup on her face, she should have put some nylons on to try to make her legs look better.

She needs to work with a professional studio photographer if she expects to get any traction from her “glamor” photos.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:16:07pm

re: #216 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

….
He was the only third-party candidate I’ve voted for. None of the others have really appealed to me, and I learned from the 1980 campaign that voting for a third-party candidate only steals votes from the Democrats, as nearly every presidential campaign since I turned 18 has pitted a relatively liberal candidate against a relatively conservative candidate. The third party candidates typically rest in between the extremes, and conservative voters never choose even a slightly liberal candidate.

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Perot took votes away from both Democrats and Republicans. I’ve heard a theory that he may have taken votes equally from both parties; Republicans think he cost Bush reelection, but I don’t believe the statistics support that contention. Many Republican voters were irate over Bush betraying his “no new taxes” pledge.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:17:01pm

re: #219 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Okay, you know how I said that I was cute at that age, but not all that? I’ve changed my mind. I was way better than that and have the photos to prove it. LOL. No, I’m not posting them here, either, so don’t ask. ;-)

Spoilsport.

Shit, if she’s going to pose with that much makeup on her face, she should have put some nylons on to try to make her legs look better.

She can start by losing the gun.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:18:12pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

Wisdom!!

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Does she know that those of us who have health insurance have to get out our wallets and pay for it? It’s not free. Idiot.

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retired cynic  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:18:52pm

re: #223 Anymouse 🌹

Spoilsport.

She can start by losing the gun.

She won’t do that. That’s her “personality.”

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:21:26pm

re: #214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:22:43pm

The livestream of Rocket Lab’s Electron launch should start in about 40 minutes, if they don’t postpone again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:26:07pm

re: #224 Patricia Kayden

Does she know that those of us who have health insurance have to get out our wallets and pay for it? It’s not free. Idiot.

And even if it is “free” (such as my Tricare), there are still deductibles.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:26:46pm

re: #206 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Mine was John Anderson in ‘80. But I don’t think voting for Carter would have helped him much.

I also made the fatal mistake of an Anderson vote in 1980. Learned my lesson and NEVER AGAIN!

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teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:26:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:29:11pm

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

I also made the fatal mistake of an Anderson vote in 1980. Learned my lesson and NEVER AGAIN!

It’s y’all’s fault Jimmy Carter wasn’t reëlected. /s

I looked at Anderson and said “naw.”

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piratedan  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:34:29pm

re: #194 makeitstop

and as much as I love Pure Pop for Now People (or Jesus of Cool, depending on if you have the original UK version) I still think Labor of Lust is possibly one of the most underrated LP’s of the 70’s, hard to find much filler on that entire album and Lowe was always willing to incorporate a lyrical hook along with his message that has continued to stand him in good stead these days as he’s been kind of elevated as a Troubadour of Cool these days, still selling out small venues to a devoted fan base….

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:35:11pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:35:48pm

re: #222 Hecuba’s daughter

Perot took votes away from both Democrats and Republicans. I’ve heard a theory that he may have taken votes equally from both parties; Republicans think he cost Bush reelection, but I don’t believe the statistics support that contention. Many Republican voters were irate over Bush betraying his “no new taxes” pledge.

Yeah, and the economy had gone in the tank in a number of key states because of the hangover from the debt craze of the 80s. Bush I did the right thing and raised taxes to try to cut down the deficit, and did some minor trimming to the insane defense budget.

That hit Cali pretty hard in ‘89-90. The naval base at Long Beach got closed, Hughes Aircraft cut jobs, and the resulting layoffs made for the stereotype of the angry white engineer that was played by Michael Douglas in “Falling Down.”

Right up to ‘98, Los Angeles was seen as a hellhole. And then … all the other light manufacturing and service industries started getting traction.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:36:01pm

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

It’s y’all’s fault Jimmy Carter wasn’t reëlected. /s

I looked at Anderson and said “naw.”

Even if we took Anderson’s votes and gave them to Carter, Jimmy still would have had about 3% less of the popular vote than Ronnie. Carter’s problems were many, but the Iran hostage crisis was the deal-breaker. Reagan got to use it as a bludgeon against Carter and the Dems.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:36:51pm

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

It’s y’all’s fault Jimmy Carter wasn’t reëlected. /s

I looked at Anderson and said “naw.”

I set up Kennedy’s 1980 campaign organization in Pennsylvania and worked my butt off for him because the steel industry was in trouble. Carter’s folks used the NRA to really get dirty with their campaign, sending flyers and bumper stickers that said things like “Kennedy in 80 A Blonde In Every Pond” and “Have You Drowned A Polish Girl Lately?”

Pissed me off so much I went over and worked for Anderson.

Then Pruneface got in and I realized I was played for a fool…

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:38:56pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:38:57pm

re: #236 Joe Bacon 🌹

I set up Kennedy’s 1980 campaign organization in Pennsylvania and worked my butt off for him because the steel industry was in trouble. Carter’s folks used the NRA to really get dirty with their campaign, sending flyers and bumper stickers that said things like “Kennedy in 80 A Blonde In Every Pond” and “Have You Drowned A Polish Girl Lately?”

Pissed me off so much I went over and worked for Anderson.

Then Pruneface got in and I realized I was played for a fool…

Seriously? Romanian, wasn’t it?

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:45:27pm

re: #113 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Dr Freakin’ Pimple Popper is having a Christmas episode

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:50:29pm

re: #239 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Dr Freakin’ Pimple Popper is having a Christmas episode

Yet, the RW claims there’s a war on Christmas. Go figger.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:50:52pm

Time to run some errands. BBL.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:54:53pm

Just my opinion but I will always believe that H tanked the 92 election

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:55:07pm

re: #236 Joe Bacon 🌹

I set up Kennedy’s 1980 campaign organization in Pennsylvania and worked my butt off for him because the steel industry was in trouble. Carter’s folks used the NRA to really get dirty with their campaign, sending flyers and bumper stickers that said things like “Kennedy in 80 A Blonde In Every Pond” and “Have You Drowned A Polish Girl Lately?”

Pissed me off so much I went over and worked for Anderson.

Then Pruneface got in and I realized I was played for a fool…

I wasn’t aware of any of that (the NRA working with Carter and nasty bumper stickers). I can’t seem to find any of that on the Intertubz.

ontheissues.org

Carter wanted to ban semiautomatic weapons, register handguns, and add waiting periods for purchases. I find it difficult to believe Carter would be viewed favourably by the NRA. On the other hand, I can see the NRA jumping into a campaign to go after Kennedy and blame Carter for it.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:58:10pm

re: #239 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Dr Freakin’ Pimple Popper is having a Christmas episode

Have that with your eggnog.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 9:59:07pm

re: #244 Dave In Austin

Have that with your eggnog.

I’m having eggnog now. A toast to Aminah.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 15, 2018 • 10:13:42pm

This thread is WOW!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 10:28:08pm

re: #235 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Even if we took Anderson’s votes and gave them to Carter, Jimmy still would have had about 3% less of the popular vote than Ronnie. Carter’s problems were many, but the Iran hostage crisis was the deal-breaker. Reagan got to use it as a bludgeon against Carter and the Dems.

If the abortive rescue in Iran had succeeded, the election results could very well have been different. However, the continuing stagflation could have still led to Carter’s loss.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 10:35:58pm
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 15, 2018 • 10:41:31pm

Has anybody else watched Pine Gap on Netflix? It is a 6 episode drama series about the NRO/NSA Echelon station outside Alice Springs, NT, Australia. Australia has some interesting movies and TV.

P.S. I’ve also enjoyed ‘Happy!’, and ‘Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell’.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 15, 2018 • 10:44:54pm

OK, only one episode in, but, definitely liking Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 10:49:31pm

re: #250 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, only one episode in, but, definitely liking Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor

Yep — really like her but have not been as enthusiastic about all the episodes. There were 4 that I liked — but not completely happy with the writing for the rest. New villains all — no returning adversaries yet.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 10:52:29pm

re: #243 Anymouse 🌹

I wasn’t aware of any of that (the NRA working with Carter and nasty bumper stickers). I can’t seem to find any of that on the Intertubz.

ontheissues.org

Carter wanted to ban semiautomatic weapons, register handguns, and add waiting periods for purchases. I find it difficult to believe Carter would be viewed favourably by the NRA. On the other hand, I can see the NRA jumping into a campaign to go after Kennedy and blame Carter for it.

Carter’s people coordinated with the NRA on the anti-Kennedy bumper stickers and posters. They were distributing them and that’s what turned me full blast against Carter.
I wanted him out after that mudslinging.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 10:59:35pm

Biden/Whoever ‘20

I’m sticking to it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:00:41pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:02:24pm

re: #234 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Up until 1984 Long Beach and San Pedro were solid GOP bastions. Then both the Navy and Army bases closed. Dukakis was the first Democrat to carry both places since FDR.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:02:52pm

re: #253 Dave In Austin

Biden/Whoever ‘20

I’m sticking to it.

For President: The old guy who blurts out the truth no matter how embarrassing vs the old guy who is incapable of telling truth? Of course, it’s not clear that Trump will still be President in 2020; that will certainly affect the dynamics of the race.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:04:05pm

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, 19,000 Texts between Lisa Page and her lover, Peter S of the FBI,…

So he’s just plain given up trying to spell “Strzok”?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:10:35pm

re: #252 Joe Bacon 🌹

Carter’s people coordinated with the NRA on the anti-Kennedy bumper stickers and posters. They were distributing them and that’s what turned me full blast against Carter.
I wanted him out after that mudslinging.

As I said, I couldn’t find anything about that: No images, no articles, nothing. Not saying it didn’t happen, just that I didn’t see it (I was at sea).

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:15:28pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:17:24pm

Good, bad, or indifferent, Donny would prolly know as well as anyone. He’s well connected in NYC society.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:24:25pm

re: #260 Dave In Austin

Good, bad, or indifferent, Donny would prolly know as well as anyone. He’s well connected in NYC society.

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That would be great news if the authorities can unravel his criminal enterprise and impoverish him and his family. Of course, we also have to dispose of Pence — and whatever Pence’s sins, he wasn’t involved in Trump real estate business. Maybe the Russia scandal will unseat Pence or perhaps some other criminal activity on his part that we have yet to learn.

What is infuriating is how these white collar criminals get away with crimes because it’s too difficult to investigate them.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:24:31pm

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

And even if it is “free” (such as my Tricare), there are still deductibles.

You “paid” for your Tricare by your service to our country. That wasn’t “free.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:27:03pm

re: #262 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

You “paid” for your Tricare by your service to our country. That wasn’t “free.”

When living at her senior facility, my late mother always told her “boyfriends” that she couldn’t remarry because she would lose the Tricare coverage she received through my late father.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:32:36pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:38:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:41:35pm

re: #262 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

You “paid” for your Tricare by your service to our country. That wasn’t “free.”

That and I paid taxes while I was in the military. And my wife was never married to me while I was in the Navy, but because she’s my wife she’s covered as well.

We already have single-payer plans (CHAMPUS, Medicare, Medicaid) which work just fine and are way cheaper than private insurance. There is no reason they couldn’t be expanded to all.

I want everyone to have the sort of coverage I have. There is no reason that can’t happen except for small “l” libertarian conservatives constantly complaining taxation is theft, while ignoring private insurance is way more expensive than the taxes necessary to cover healthcare (and eliminate the skimming of insurance companies).

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dangerman  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:46:39pm

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹

That and I paid taxes while I was in the military. And my wife was never married to me while I was in the Navy, but because she’s my wife she’s covered as well.

We already have single-payer plans (CHAMPUS, Medicare, Medicaid) which work just fine and are way cheaper than private insurance. There is no reason they couldn’t be expanded to all.

I want everyone to have the sort of coverage I have. There is no reason that can’t happen except for small “l” libertarian conservatives constantly complaining taxation is theft, while ignoring private insurance is way more expensive than the taxes necessary to cover healthcare (and eliminate the skimming of insurance companies).

They are more interested in the principle rather than what would be the lowest out of pocket cost

(Don’t ask why I’m up at 245 am)

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:58:54pm

re: #267 dangerman

They are more interested in the principle rather than what would be the lowest out of pocket cost

(Don’t ask why I’m up at 245 am)

You’re not up at 2:45am (or a few minutes later).

It’s only 12:58am now. You’re clocks must be off. /s

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 15, 2018 • 11:59:30pm

Not even midnight yet in CA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:01:59am

re: #269 Single-handed sailor

Not even midnight yet in CA.

California is beyond the impassible mountains and deserts from me. There be dragons. /s

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:02:43am
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:06:07am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

California is beyond the impassible mountains and deserts from me. There be dragons. /s

Don’t ask Santa where Donner got his name. He’ll tell of that winter in the Sierra in 1846.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:08:12am

re: #267 dangerman

Long rant…

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:08:18am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:09:39am

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

Her BF might even have more embarrassing photos to share than these.

Kaitlin is being played and she doesn’t see it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:11:23am

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

If that were my daughter I would tell her to put on some clothes and stop playing with guns. Oh, and get rid of the scumbag boyfriend and get a job. Cosplay medieval is a bad look for hair too.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:35:15am

Off to bed to try to sleep. Goodnight, all!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 1:54:19am

re: #273 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 2:17:39am

Family Of Migrant Girl Disputes U.S. Officials’ Story Of Her Death (Huffington Post, more at the link):

The family of a 7-year-old Guatemalan girl who died in U.S. Border Patrol custody is disputing an account from U.S. officials who said she had not been given food or water for days.

In a statement released by lawyers, the parents of Jakelin Caal said the girl had been given food and water and appeared to be in good health as she traveled through Mexico with her father, 29-year-old Nery Gilberto Caal Cuz. The family added that Jakelin had not been traveling through the desert for days before she was taken into custody.

Tekandi Paniagua, the Guatemalan consul in Del Rio, Texas, told The Associated Press that he spoke with the Jakelin’s father. The consul said Nery Caal told him the group they were traveling with was dropped off in Mexico about a 90-minute walk from the border.

Border Patrol officials did not immediately respond to the family’s comments.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 16, 2018 • 3:41:43am

re: #41 jaunte

The old “civilization is socialism” argument.

Recall the old “run government like a business” argument. That basically means that expenses like education, health care, environmental and safety protections, infrastructure, etc., are costs to be minimized or cut entirely.

And labor, of course is a commodity, and a disposable one at that, just like toner, staples or copier paper.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 16, 2018 • 3:43:06am

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

“Trump will likely win reelection in 2020”

I hate to say it, but he currently still stands a fair to middlin’ chance…

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Decatur Deb  Dec 16, 2018 • 3:43:08am

re: #253 Dave In Austin

Biden/Whoever ‘20

I’m sticking to it.

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

For President: The old guy who blurts out the truth no matter how embarrassing vs the old guy who is incapable of telling truth? Of course, it’s not clear that Trump will still be President in 2020; that will certainly affect the dynamics of the race.

AnyDem/Whoever 2020

It’s important.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 3:44:26am

I’m off to bed.

I’ll leave you with the wish that we could make Mimeograph machines great again …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 16, 2018 • 3:47:11am

re: #206 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Mine was John Anderson in ‘80. But I don’t think voting for Carter would have helped him much.

I likewise, but I was voting in Arizona, where the GOP was a shoo-in and wanted to help Andersen get 5% of the vote so he would receive some federal campaign support money. (He didn’t)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 3:53:26am

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

Galileo pretty much explained this in the 1600s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 16, 2018 • 4:18:38am

re: #285 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Galileo pretty much explained this in the 1600s.

Flat-earthers and creationists are the new Galileos!!!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 4:22:03am

Not sure if y’all have been following the events at Patreon with respect to alt-right/racist content creators there, but Patreon purged quite a few of them, including Milo and Sargon of Akkad, for violating its TOS. Some Russian coder the created an alternative, SubscribeStar .com, to which a bunch of these losers then flocked. [Similar to the gab ai thing.]

Anyway, PayPal and Stripe just recently told SubscribeStar they would no longer process payments for the service, which has of course got the hate-right all up in arms about social justice warriors, etc., etc.

Normally, I would not even care, because boo-fucking-hoo, but Naomi Wu, the Shenzhen-based Maker and tech queen, was relying on SubscribeStar for part of her income, and now she’s cut off from most of subscribers there. She’s collateral damage, as it were, since she’s got nothing to do with the hate-right at all. I would have avoided SubscribeStar from the very beginning, but she lost her Patreon account because of some bogus copyright infringement claim by Vice Media, so I guess she was desperate. She also has an account with Tipeee, another kind of crowdfunding platform.

Being a Chinese national makes it hard for Naomi to accept international payments, so Tipeee and SubscribeStar were her only alternatives to Patreon.

PayPal and Stripe stopped doing business with SubscribeStar because a lot of its content violates *their* TOS, so the fault lies with SubscribeStar not doing its due diligence and policing its own content. Either it will have to boot the offenders off its platform, or just close up shop.

Here is Naomi’s YT report. The Vice Media backstory is long and complicated, but she has links to it on her YT.

They defunded me on Patreon, now they want SubscribeStar😔

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 4:53:43am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Flat-earthers and creationists are the new Galileos!!!

As if. They sully his name by comparing themselves to him.

Galileo heard most of the same arguments modern-day FlatEarthers present today against a rotating Earth, and he countered each in a logically consistent way. Kepler and Newton added more evidence, so only total idiots would now insist that the earth is flat and stationary in space.

The trouble is most people never really learned some core concepts in physics, since physics is not a required course in high school AFAIK still. Usually, students have to take three credits of science, and physics, if taught in the usual mathematical way, requires math skills not learned till late in high school. And physical science courses are somewhat of a joke, since trying to cram physics, chemistry and geology (etc.) into two semesters means nothing gets covered well at all.

If you can understand the principles of inertia and relative velocity, Galileo’s explanations of a spinning Earth make logical sense.

As for the rotational velocity of the Earth, it has indeed been measured independently many, many times over the last four centuries. We even know that the Earth is gradually slowing down from the tidal effects of the Moon.

Gah!

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2018 • 5:00:16am
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bd(Redacted)  Dec 16, 2018 • 5:18:46am

re: #289 Patricia Kayden

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lol, nice to see Alex struggling. I hope he retires from media and seeks some help.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2018 • 5:19:40am

#WalkAway

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 5:24:35am

Trump’s gonna go apeshit if this pans out:

New York federal prosecutors are looking into potential financial wrongdoing by President Donald Trump’s inaugural committee and Ivanka Trump’s involvement in price negotiations for space rental in the Trump International Hotel in D.C.

According to reporting by WNYC and ProPublica, President Donald Trump’s inaugural committee paid large sums of money to the Trump organization to host events at the Trump-owned property, and the president’s daughter discussed charging $175,000 per day for the space, despite organizers’ concerns that it would look like the Trumps were lining their pockets.

rollingstone.com

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 5:42:42am

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

The Trumps *are* lining their pockets. Donnie has found the perfect grift, or so he thought.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 5:43:49am

re: #291 Patricia Kayden

#WalkAway

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The CJ of the CA Supreme Court left too. Trump isn’t exactly causing people to join the gop. In fact, the opppsite.

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jeffreyw  Dec 16, 2018 • 5:49:13am

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Good morning!

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freetoken  Dec 16, 2018 • 5:51:18am

re: #295 jeffreyw

Looks like the cardinals are surveilling the squirrel, if it’s safe to land.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:05:16am
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:07:03am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

Question: Can her family sue the CBP and ICE for her death even though they’re not U.S. citizens?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:15:22am

re: #298 Patricia Kayden

Question: Can her family sue the CBP and ICE for her death even though they’re not U.S. citizens?

IANAL but I believe that is a definite yes. There is another lawsuit for a prior death.

nytimes.com

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Danack  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:29:59am

re: #297 Patricia Kayden

From the article:

At that rate, nearly 5,000 visas would remain for Irish professionals.

Given that the population of the Republic of Ireland is less than 5 million, that would be close to, if not exceeding the number of visas needed to allow all the Irish people who wanted to work in the US to do so.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:35:31am

re: #272 Single-handed sailor

Don’t ask Santa where Donner got his name. He’ll tell of that winter in the Sierra in 1846.

Do you have a link to that tweet? I can’t find it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:39:13am

I see it’s awake on a Sunday morning and very butthurt about things.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:40:01am

re: #299 Hecuba’s daughter

Thanks. Then I hope her family sues. That may be their only recourse.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:40:09am

re: #297 Patricia Kayden

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The Irish no doubt appreciate it but knowing several Irish nationals, they will see this for what it is, one last pander by a pandering jacksss.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:40:25am

re: #302 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:41:40am

re: #302 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I see it’s awake on a Sunday morning and very butthurt about things.

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SNL goes after Dem Presidents too. Stop fucking whining.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:44:04am

Jim goes on for like 5 Tweets listing all the “defamation & belittlement” that Trump has committed.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:47:30am

He wants to be able to insult but don’t you dare insult him. He’s a classic bully.

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jeffreyw  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:49:09am

re: #296 freetoken

I really don’t know whether birds fear squirrels, or should fear them. I ‘spect they are cautious around them out of the abundance of it I’ve observed in most every wild critter.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:54:08am

re: #309 jeffreyw

I really don’t know whether birds fear squirrels, or should fear them. I ‘spect they are cautious around them out of the abundance of it I’ve observed in most every wild critter.

I think they mostly just avoid eye contact, like people on the NY subway.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 6:59:47am

I liked this for the Game of Thrones reference, which is really quite apt — if we speak metaphorically about heads rolling, anyway.

Anyway, I doubt Trump could even lift a proper beheading sword, much less swing it.

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:00:23am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:05:52am

Jeez. Is the weather bad so Donnie can’t go golfing? Or does he know of some serious shit coming out on Monday?

He’s going to be ranting like this all morning, I bet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:07:32am

I know what I’m making for New Year’s.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:09:02am
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Teddy's Person  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:09:59am

Kent State Gun Girl needs to step up her game.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:10:18am

Start to?!

latimes.com
After nearly two years in the White House, Trump’s lies start catching up with him

Meanwhile, special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has peeled away Trump’s claim that he had “nothing to do with Russia” by revealing that well into his presidential campaign he was seeking to build a luxury tower in Moscow even as he was proposing closer ties between the United States and the Kremlin.

Both investigations — one into campaign finance violations, the other into possible ties between Trump and Russia’s efforts to sway the 2016 election — could produce new evidence of dishonesty as they continue.

“The legal system has provided a dose of reality to Trump’s world that it hasn’t met with in a political context yet,” said Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton during the campaign.

In the policy realm, too, false statements by Trump have begun to lead to consequences. Earlier this month, for example, Trump claimed that he and China’s president, Xi Jinping, had worked out an “an incredible deal” on trade. Within a day, the White House had to back away from that claim, contributing to a sharp decline in the stock market.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:12:35am

Well, time for bed here in the heart of China. Until tomorrow, folks!

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:18:24am

Morning!

Browns won.

And I got to see Kaitlin GunGurl descibed as such: She looks like an uncooked chicken holding a gun…in re: #271 by Ace-o-aces

A great way to add some brightness to a grey day in Oh hi! O.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:21:48am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:26:42am

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

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I liked this better as a Coen Bros dark comedy but if Rudy wants to put a Scorsese/Coppola spin on it, go for it.

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:29:18am

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

That frees Cohen’s lawyers up to finish the sentence, “I told his lawyers there will be no discussion of a pardon.” with the part about obstructing justice,”…if he cooperated with the Special Counsel.”

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:31:24am
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:35:36am

re: #176 Dave In Austin

I voted for Ross Perot……
There, I said it. I’m out.

Guilty of that here also.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:38:13am

re: #310 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

At our feeder, squirrels take precedence over any birds short of a hawk. Some birds will sneak in alongside (nuthatch, chickadee) but once a squirrel is on the feeder, most of our regulars can’t make it move.

Mourning doves will come in three or four at a time and huddle together in a mass and just block everyone else out. No one single bird ever messes with the red-bellied woodpecker, it has a beak like sword and it’s big.

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:41:21am

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

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I see Rudy Gee is on TV again with his can of gas and he is pouring it on The Trump Administration Fire trying to put it out.

Amazing how the Trump folks think he is helping on defense. Must be more of the hiring only the best thing.

Everything Rudy says and does just makes them look more and more guilty.

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:42:49am

re: #325 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

At our feeder, squirrels take precedence over any birds short of a hawk. Some birds will sneak in alongside (nuthatch, chickadee) but once a squirrel is on the feeder, most of our regulars can’t make it move.

Mourning doves will come in three or four at a time and huddle together in a mass and just block everyone else out. No one single bird ever messes with the red-bellied woodpecker, it has a beak like sword and it’s big.

Nice explanation of the current pecking order.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:43:40am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

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nines09  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:57:04am

Start your day off right

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2018 • 7:57:44am
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Belafon  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:01:57am

re: #329 nines09

Start your day off right

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That cat’s got some serious vertical lift.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:02:48am

This is so dumb

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:02:56am

re: #330 darthstar

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Irish Stand is a terrific group. They do great work against the right wing Irish-Americans who push racist and nativist bullshit.

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nines09  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:03:05am

re: #331 Belafon

That cat’s got some serious vertical lift.

Shot out of a cannon lift. I’m crying.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:05:12am

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dangerman  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:05:19am

re: #273 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Long rant…

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i went back to bed after wolfing a pb&j sandwich.
got up at 5 and ran 20 miles before breakfast
just finished eating, it’s now 10:45 and i am happy

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:06:13am

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

I also made the fatal mistake of an Anderson vote in 1980. Learned my lesson and NEVER AGAIN!

IIRC John Anderson’s candidacy was partly a Roger Stone/Paul Manafort ratfuck creation on behalf of Reagan. Speaking of which, has anyone seen Jill Stein around lately?

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jaunte  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:09:23am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:13:29am

re: #337 Barefoot Grin

IIRC John Anderson’s candidacy partly a Roger Stone/Paul Manafort ratfuck creation on behalf of Reagan. Speaking of which, has anyone seen Jill Stein around lately?

It would be delightful if Mueller takes down Jill on his way to finishing Trump.

And for the trifecta — anything happening with Assange? He’s still seems to be ensconced in the embassy.

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William Lewis  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:13:29am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

I know what I’m making for New Year’s.

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Reminds me of how I make a pot roast. Nom nom nom. Red wine is the best sauce base for slow cooked beef and root veggies (carrot, onion, tater manditory. Beets, radish & turnips can be good too.)

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dangerman  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:13:33am

What a grand sub-lede from CNN

Everything the president touches seems to turn to evidence

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:13:50am
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William Lewis  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:15:55am

re: #340 William Lewis

And seriously, folks, if you do red wine in the roast, you want a Good bottle of a very robust wine. I’ve used cheap wine and up to $20 wine and have noticed the difference on a good cut of lean meat.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:15:56am

re: #334 nines09

Shot out of a cannon lift. I’m crying.

I think he took a huge leap at a bird flying across.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:16:43am

re: #342 Unshaken Defiance

Sigh. We knew this already right?
Georgia’s Kemp Likely Made Up Dems Hacking Claim, Report Finds

Kemp sounds like a perfect successor for Trump. A lying, crooked, racist, and whiny asshole who threatens people.

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jaunte  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:21:19am

re: #341 dangerman

What a grand sub-lede from CNN

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:22:31am

re: #346 jaunte

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He is more crooked and evil than Nixon was.

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dangerman  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:24:11am

re: #346 jaunte

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While It says trump and family
-the trump organization
- the trump foundation (they hate it when you muck with non profits)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:26:05am

Getting tired of Elizabeth Bruenig using every Sunday to trash Beto O’Rourke for being a “centrist” in the WaPo. This just makes me want the Sanders-Gabbard types to lose even more.

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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:26:40am

re: #252 Joe Bacon 🌹

Carter’s people coordinated with the NRA on the anti-Kennedy bumper stickers and posters. They were distributing them and that’s what turned me full blast against Carter.
I wanted him out after that mudslinging.

I might be wrong, but that sounds like it might have been a campaign decision he knew nothing about.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:27:27am

re: #336 dangerman

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mmmirele  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:27:56am

re: #335 GlutenFreeJesus

This is a hot spring in Unzen, Japan, not far from Nagasaki. Pretty, isn’t it?

Turn around and you see this. It’s a cross memorializing the many Christian martyrs who were basically boiled to death at this site in the 1620s and 1630s.

American Christians don’t know JACK about persecution.

ETA: I was profoundly moved by this site, and the site in Nagasaki where 26 men and boys were crucified in 1597 for being Christians. These were the first two sites I’d ever visited where people had been killed for their religious beliefs. We just don’t have that here in the USA. (Although one might argue that a memorial should be set up at the gas station here in Mesa where the Sikh attendant was killed just after 9/11, for example.)

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jaunte  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:28:17am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

He is more crooked and evil than Nixon was.

And remember, he didn’t get where he is all by himself:

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:28:25am

re: #343 William Lewis

And seriously, folks, if you do red wine in the roast, you want a Good bottle of a very robust wine. I’ve used cheap wine and up to $20 wine and have noticed the difference on a good cut of lean meat.

Heh. After reading your comment I was reminded of this bit NBC Today Show did just the other day.

Humans are often fascinating in how we react to power of suggestion, peer pressure, admittance to the truth, fashions, impressions and how it fits in our reality.

And sometimes something as simple as wine and pizza discussion can bring all that out.

I’m not a wine drinker so to me this wasn’t so much about wine as to more about humans.

And the best part wasn’t boxed versus cork-bottled. It was the test of the two glasses of the same wine. I found knowing prior as the viewer made it fun to watch them explain the two tastes.

Oh how our minds and taste buds work.

Iframe

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:28:56am

re: #350 retired cynic

I might be wrong, but that sounds like it might have been a campaign decision he knew nothing about.

I’m sure he didn’t. TBH while I like Jimmy Carter, there’s a lot of hagiography that goes with him. His post political career is admirable for sure but his own political career wasn’t that innocent. That said, it would be better for our country and world if he had beaten Reagan.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:29:10am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

I know what I’m making for New Year’s.

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What I am making now…

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darthstar  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:29:21am

re: #352 mmmirele

This is a hot spring in Unzen, Japan, not far from Nagasaki. Pretty, isn’t it?

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American Christians don’t know JACK about persecution.

I was about to say, ‘Get nekkid and jump in!’ until I scrolled to your second sentence.

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dangerman  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:29:49am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

He is more crooked and evil than Nixon was.

It’s never been definitive whether Nixon ordered the break-in
He did try to cover it up and orchestrated payoffs and that’s what got him

Trump otoh is the center and in the very beginning of each and every aspect of each of these investigations. No one decided to do any of these machinations without him in the loop or specifically directing and/or approving the plan if not every step of the way

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nines09  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:30:33am

re: #344 Unshaken Defiance

I think he took a huge leap at a bird flying across.

That is exactly what he/she did. I saw that the 2nd time I ran it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:31:54am

re: #358 dangerman

It’s never been definitive whether Nixon ordered the break-in
He did try to cover it up and orchestrated please and that’s what got him

Trump otoh is the center and in the very beginning of each and every aspect of each of these investigations. No one decided to do any of these machinations without him in the loop or specifically directing and/or approving the plan if not every step of the way

Exactly

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mmmirele  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:32:00am

re: #357 darthstar

I was about to say, ‘Get nekkid and jump in!’ until I scrolled to your second sentence.

The water is piped around the city and, after appropriately cooled down, does provide the water for the various hotel onsens (bath houses). So your first instinct wasn’t off. But you really wouldn’t want to jump in right there. Trust me on that.

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dangerman  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:36:08am

re: #351 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:36:26am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

He is more crooked and evil than Nixon was.

re: #358 dangerman

It’s never been definitive whether Nixon ordered the break-in
He did try to cover it up and orchestrated please and that’s what got him

Trump otoh is the center and in the very beginning of each and every aspect of each of these investigations. No one decided to do any of these machinations without him in the loop or specifically directing and/or approving the plan if not every step of the way

Let’s not forget that Nixon interfered with the prospective peace deal with Hanoi back in 1968, which led to an additional 20,000 American deaths and many thousands more Vietnamese deaths. And his bombing in Cambodia was responsible to the eventual victory of Pol Pot which led to a million deaths in that country. So, it’s not really clear that Trump is more evil — though he is definitely more destructive to our nation.

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:36:48am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

He is more crooked and evil than Nixon was.

As is the whole damn Republican party that is holding him up.

It is now way beyond Watergate. Crooked evil all the way down.

So much so, it might be enough to kill the whole idea of using “…gate” at the end of a scandal to explain the depth of the investigation.

It will just be “like Trump” or something. But calling any scandal (scandal)gate will no longer have the punch.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:39:08am

re: #363 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s not forget that Nixon interfered with the prospective peace deal with Hanoi back in 1968, which led to an additional 20,000 American deaths and many thousands more Vietnamese deaths. And his bombing in Cambodia was responsible to the eventual victory of Pol Pot which led to a million deaths in in that country. So, it’s not really clear that Trump is more evil — though he is definitely more destructive to our nation.

I’m aware of that trust me but Trump is going to really screw this country long run. It’s not merely the body count. It’s doing long lasting damage to our country.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:39:45am

re: #364 ObserverArt

As is the whole damn Republican party that is holding him up.

It is now way beyond Watergate. Crooked evil all the way down.

So much so, it might be enough to kill the whole idea of using “…gate” at the end of a scandal to explain the depth of the investigation.

It will jut be “like Trump” or something. But calling any scandal (scandal)gate will no longer have the punch.

There’s that as well.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:41:39am

Trump is damaging long time alliances and friendships in a way Nixon never did. That can’t be exoressed enough.

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dangerman  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:41:42am

re: #363 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s not forget that Nixon interfered with the prospective peace deal with Hanoi back in 1968, which led to an additional 20,000 American deaths and many thousands more Vietnamese deaths. And his bombing in Cambodia was responsible to the eventual victory of Pol Pot which led to a million deaths in that country. So, it’s not really clear that Trump is more evil — though he is definitely more destructive to our nation.

Trump just blatantly breaks/ignores the law more
Pretty much any law

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:42:47am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:43:41am

re: #368 dangerman

Trump just blatantly breaks/ignores the law more
Pretty much any law

Nixon also didn’t bring Julie and Tricia into his crooked web nor did he give white supremacists the idea that potus was their ally. The latter is one of Trump’s worst sins.

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William Lewis  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:44:15am

re: #354 ObserverArt

Heh. After reading your comment I was reminded of this bit NBC Today Show did just the other day.

Humans are often fascinating in how we react to power of suggestion, peer pressure, admittance to the truth, fashions, impressions and how it fits in our reality.

And sometimes something as simple as wine and pizza discussion can bring all that out.

I’m not a wine drinker so to me this wasn’t so much about wine as to more about humans.

And the best part wasn’t boxed versus cork-bottled. It was the test of the two glasses of the same wine. I found knowing prior as the viewer made it fun to watch them explain the two tastes.

Oh how our minds and taste buds work.

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There are good boxes and not so good boxes and down right horrific boxes (the piss the French army receives in their rations is a sad memory to me ). I guess a better way to look at it is that the better the ingredients the better the final product and that may well be what I taste as a difference.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:44:17am

re: #369 Patricia Kayden

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Guess he feels this is how he apologizes for Khashoggi.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:47:29am

re: #369 Patricia Kayden

If Gülen were smart, he’d get the fuck outta the US - and now. He go could to Germany….he still has a lot of supporters there or he should hotfoot it to Canada.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:48:03am

Observer Art and William,

The power of suggestion is indeed powerful, but it is better to use a decent (not great) wine.

Most important is watch the type of wine because of the amount of tannin, which can be bitter when concentrated.

When learning to judge beer (week 3 of my class is tonight), people are surprised even when not tasting blind. I always start with Miller Lite, and then Budweiser. One guy wrinkled his face in disgust, and I reminded him that the “bad” thing about light american lagers is low levels of flavor, not bad flavors. The taste of the grain shines through, and is especially useful to taste after having eaten some malted barley. You really can taste the similarity.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:49:41am

Oh and the planet. Nixon was actually decent on that. Trump is bad even for a Republican on the environment.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:50:18am

re: #371 William Lewis

There are good boxes and not so good boxes and down right horrific boxes (the piss the French army receives in their rations is a sad memory to me ). I guess a better way to look at it is that the better the ingredients the better the final product and that may well be what I taste as a difference.

Black Box makes some good boxed wine, in general.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:51:34am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

If Gülen were smart, he’d get the fuck outta the US - and now. He go could to Germany….he still has a lot of supporters there or he should hotfoot it to Canada.

Canada for sure. I don’t understand why he’s even still here. Is he going to wait to be kidnapped and shipped to Erdogan? Does he think this administration gives a dang about his life? After what happened to Khashoggi, anyone in Gulen’s position should be looking for the exits.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:52:09am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

If Gülen were smart, he’d get the fuck outta the US - and now. He go could to Germany….he still has a lot of supporters there or he should hotfoot it to Canada.

Or he should stay and fight, a lengthy court battle may not go Trump’s way, but again, it’s not my life on the line. I would respect any decision he makes.

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William Lewis  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:55:06am

re: #273 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Long rant…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:56:53am

re: #377 Patricia Kayden

Canada for sure. I don’t understand why he’s even still here. Is he going to wait to be kidnapped and shipped to Erdogan? Does he think this administration gives a dang about his life? After what happened to Khashoggi, anyone in Gulen’s position should be looking for the exits.

Yeah, it’s pretty obvious Trump would sell out anyone if it advances his interests - hell, he’d sell out his own kids if push came to shove (I recall he once told Donnie, Jr. “….don’t trust anyone - not even me”).

Gülen needs to get out and find refuge somewhere else. ASAP.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:58:19am

re: #380 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, it’s pretty obvious Trump would sell out anyone if it advances his interests - hell, he’d sell out his own kids if push came to shove (I recall he once told Donnie, Jr. “….don’t trust anyone - not even me”).

Gülen needs to get out and find refuge somewhere else. ASAP.

He’s a gangster.

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plansbandc  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:59:41am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Oh by far. Nixon was a crook, but he still had loyalty his country. The bloated orange bag is a criminal and doesn’t give a shit about loyalty to this country or anything else, really.

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 8:59:59am

re: #374 BlueSpotinAL

Observer Art and William,

The power of suggestion is indeed powerful, but it is better to use a decent (not great) wine.

Most important is watch the type of wine because of the amount of tannin, which can be bitter when concentrated.

When learning to judge beer (week 3 of my class is tonight), people are surprised even when not tasting blind. I always start with Miller Lite, and then Budweiser. One guy wrinkled his face in disgust, and I reminded him that the “bad” thing about light american lagers is low levels of flavor, not bad flavors. The taste of the grain shines through, and is especially useful to taste after having eaten some malted barley. You really can taste the similarity.

I am certainly no wine expert. I drink very little wine. More beer and scotch/whisky.

I liked the video because of the observation of the people.

The fact it was the exact same wine in both glasses and they had such distinctive taste descriptions for each glass was interesting to me.

Was it because they knew they were doing a filmed test so they pushed themselves to think it was different so the tastes have to be different and then the old brain takes over and out come the words to explain the difference?

I love stuff like that. Truth be told, to me that video test says a lot about politics too. Same people, same thinking.

A lot of us know Trump tastes real bad politically.

A lot of people convinced themselves, and still do…he is the best wine ever.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:02:59am

re: #379 William Lewis

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Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:04:14am

Holy shit Ready Player One is worse than Twilight but somehow has credibility.

Now I feel a need to apologize to Stephanie Meyer and her fandom.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:06:04am

re: #383 ObserverArt

I am certainly no wine expert. I drink very little wine. More beer and scotch/whisky.

I liked the video because of the observation of the people.

The fact it was the exact same wine in both glasses and they had such distinctive taste descriptions for each glass was interesting to me.

Was it because they knew they were doing a filmed test so they pushed themselves to think it was different so the tastes have to be different and then the old brain takes over and out come the words to explain the difference.

I love stuff like that. Truth be told, to me that video test says a lot about politics too. Same people, same thinking.

A lot of us know Trump tastes real bad politically.

A lot of people convinced themselves, and still do…he is the best wine ever.

People will justify their choices, true, just as in politics. A side by side comparison can be done a couple of different ways. What the filmed participants were doing was called forced choice. This means saying the wines were the same was not an option.

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William Lewis  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:06:30am

re: #384 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:08:42am

re: #387 William Lewis

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William Lewis  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:12:53am

re: #388 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:14:16am

Meanwhile, in Brazil…….

A Brazilian faith healer accused of sexually abusing more than 300 women is now considered to be a fugitive.

Joao Teixeira de Faria - known as “John of God”, failed to comply with a court order giving him until 14:00 (1600GMT) on Saturday to turn himself in.

A dozen women have come forward in Brazil to accuse the prominent self-styled spiritual healer of sexually abusing them at his clinic.

He is based in the central town of Abadiania but has followers worldwide.

bbc.com

I’ve read elsewhere that he basically withdrew his life savings, the equivalent of $9 million US Dollars, and he’s on the lam; his whereabouts are currently unknown. Given that he’s got followers all over the world, there’s probably quite a few places he could abscond to. And with nine million bucks at his disposal, I’d think he could stay hidden for awhile.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:15:03am

re: #389 William Lewis

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William Lewis  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:19:39am

re: #391 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

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Teukka  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:20:01am

I hope this hasn’t been posted ad nauseam:

Facebook Post

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TedStriker  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:22:14am

For a little levity:

Dale Irby, a teacher who wore the same outfit for the yearbook photo 40 years in a row.

reddit.com

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mmmirele  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:23:53am

re: #377 Patricia Kayden

Canada for sure. I don’t understand why he’s even still here. Is he going to wait to be kidnapped and shipped to Erdogan? Does he think this administration gives a dang about his life? After what happened to Khashoggi, anyone in Gulen’s position should be looking for the exits.

I’m no fan of Gulen’s, given that his followers have taken advantage of some state legislatures’ predilection to throw tax money at charter schools, but if I were him, I’d head to Canada or somewhere safer than the USA at the moment. The fact that this is being discussed publicly is fairly horrifying.

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mmmirele  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:27:07am

re: #390 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in Brazil…….

bbc.com

I’ve read elsewhere that he basically withdrew his life savings, the equivalent of $9 million US Dollars, and he’s on the lam; his whereabouts are currently unknown. Given that he’s got followers all over the world, there’s probably quite a few places he could abscond to. And with nine million bucks at his disposal, I’d think he could stay hidden for awhile.

I’ve known about this guy for a while. Basically, he’s the Brazilian version of a Philippine psychic surgeon. He’s had people here in the US running trips down to get “healed” for well over a decade. And that 300 women are accusing him of sexual assault just says how popular he was, on top of being an evil asshat.

He’s also 78; he won’t live forever.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:30:44am

re: #396 mmmirele

I’ve known about this guy for a while. Basically, he’s the Brazilian version of a Philippine psychic surgeon. He’s had people here in the US running trips down to get “healed” for well over a decade. And that 300 women are accusing him of sexual assault just says how popular he was, on top of being an evil asshat.

He’s also 78; he won’t live forever.

I thought that whole “psychic surgery” BS was pretty thoroughly debunked in the late 70’s.

But then again, there’s people who quite passionately believe the Earth is flat. And that Donald Trump is the most honest President in recent history and that Brexit is an absolutely brilliant idea.

It seems like we’re living in the era of “The 21st Century: The Stupid Strike Back” or something.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:35:20am

re: #395 mmmirele

The fact that this is being discussed publicly is fairly horrifying.

I think this almost daily when it comes to the Trump admin.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:36:13am

re: #350 retired cynic

I might be wrong, but that sounds like it might have been a campaign decision he knew nothing about.

Nope. Ol Hamilton Jrrrrrrrrrdumb was involved with the whole NRA attack.

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terraincognita  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:46:57am

re: #335 GlutenFreeJesus

Postmodern kitsch does not equal Christmas.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:59:51am

re: #399 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope. Ol Hamilton Jrrrrrrrrrdumb was involved with the whole NRA attack.

Iirc the Carter team had some other less than scrupulous attacks in 1976. I think Carter is an excellent former President but he never has been a saint politically either.

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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:04:16am

re: #399 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope. Ol Hamilton Jrrrrrrrrrdumb was involved with the whole NRA attack.

That’s discouraging.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:04:29am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

No former President has.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:05:25am

I saw this in The Onion - it’s a (satirical) response to news that a group of Christian fundies, together with the American Center for Law and Justice, are trying to stop kids from learning about mindfulness, which they’re equating to “Buddhist indoctrination”.

In a 45-minute video posted on Tibetan websites Thursday, Tsuglag Rinpoche, leader of the Buddhist extremist group Kammaṭṭhāna, threatened to soon inflict a wave of peace and tranquility on the West.

Speaking in front of a nondescript altar surrounded by candles, burning sticks of incense, and a small golden statue of the Buddha, Rinpoche did not specify when or where an assault of profound inner stillness would occur, but stated in no uncertain terms that the fundamentalist Buddhist cell plans to target all Western suffering.

“In the name of the Great Teacher, we will stop at nothing to unleash a firestorm of empathy, compassion, and true selflessness upon the West,” said Rinpoche, adding that all enemies of a freely flowing, unfettered state of mind will be “besieged with pure, everlasting happiness.” “No city will be spared from spiritual harmony. We will bring about the end to all Western pain and anxiety, to all destructive cravings, to all greed, delusion, and misplaced desire. Indeed, we will bring the entire United States to its knees in deep meditation.”

“Wisdom and virtue to America!” continued Rinpoche. “Wisdom and virtue to all living things on earth!”

theonion.com

Whoever wrote that needs a raise. LOL it’s brilliant.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:06:15am

re: #403 Eclectic Cyborg

No former President has.

Agreed but Carter has a hagiography that Obama and Clinton don’t have. I’m not hating on him but he was just as ruthless when he wanted to be too.

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:08:38am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

Agreed but Carter has a hagiography that Obama and Clinton don’t have. I’m not hating on him but he was just as ruthless when he wanted to be too.

Carter was able to get away with some of that because of his Opie smile, his Christianity and his aww-shucks demeanor.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:08:53am

re: #352 mmmirele

This is a hot spring in Unzen, Japan, not far from Nagasaki. Pretty, isn’t it?

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American Christians don’t know JACK about persecution.

ETA: I was profoundly moved by this site, and the site in Nagasaki where 26 men and boys were crucified in 1597 for being Christians. These were the first two sites I’d ever visited where people had been killed for their religious beliefs. We just don’t have that here in the USA. (Although one might argue that a memorial should be set up at the gas station here in Mesa where the Sikh attendant was killed just after 9/11, for example.)

Have you read Endo Shusaku’s Silence? It’s about the extermination of Christians.

ETA: it’s really more about crisis of faith in the face of mass suffering, but the setting is that era.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:13:32am

re: #406 ObserverArt

Carter was able to get away with some of that because of his Opie smile, his Christianity and his aww-shucks demeanor.

Right. Don’t get me wrong. Carter is a fine statesman but he wasn’t above ugly politics.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:15:48am
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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:17:17am

re: #408 HappyWarrior

Right. Don’t get me wrong. Carter is a fine statesman but he wasn’t above ugly politics.

If I remember correctly, and maybe others can confirm or tell me I’m wrong, but I think Carter’s staff was called “The Georgia Mafia” during that time in office.

Anyone remember that???

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nines09  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:20:04am

re: #409 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“OK! Now put me in your car!”

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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:23:42am

If you want a pretty decent summary of all of the legal challenges DT faces at the moment (next week it will probably be bigger)…

washingtonpost.com

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:31:39am

re: #412 retired cynic

A very long list. And you are correct it will grow longer still.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:33:04am

re: #406 ObserverArt

Carter was able to get away with some of that because of his Opie smile, his Christianity and his aww-shucks demeanor.

I distrusted Carter because I remember him leading the “ABM” (Anyone But McGovern) forces at the 1972 convention. He was also involved with Democrats For Nixon in 72.

And yes, Carter’s gang in the White House was referred to as the Georgia Mafia. Lance, Powell and Jordan were pretty ruthless. Remember how they stabbed Labor in the back by letting the GOP filibuster and kill common situs picketing.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:38:05am

Alternative hairline.

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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:38:24am

And there are several other WaPo articles this morning that are good summaries.

This one explores the decision of the TX judge who ruled the ACA unconstitutional, and the legal reasons why it is incorrect, and “naked judicial activism.”

washingtonpost.com

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:39:49am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:39:56am

re: #415 Barefoot Grin

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:40:57am

re: #414 Joe Bacon 🌹

I distrusted Carter because I remember him leading the “ABM” (Anyone But McGovern) forces at the 1972 convention. He was also involved with Democrats For Nixon in 72.

And yes, Carter’s gang in the White House was referred to as the Georgia Mafia. Lance, Powell and Jordan were pretty ruthless. Remember how they stabbed Labor in the back by letting the GOP filibuster and kill common situs picketing.

More good history details from Joe.

I wasn’t totally aware of that ‘72 campaign stuff though. Part of the reason was I was just entering art college and that first year was pretty rough. So, school, music, and partying were filling time and politics wasn’t.

One reason I stupidly voted for Nixon. Last time anything like that would happen. I paid attention after that for sure.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:41:02am

re: #417 Dr Lizardo

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nines09  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:41:34am

re: #415 Barefoot Grin

Chia Stephen.
“BUY ONE NOW!”

Chia Donald Trump Freedom of Choice Pottery Planter

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:43:06am
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nines09  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:43:50am

Maybe he’s gotten……SCALP MICROPIGMENTATION?

It’s in DC……

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:47:14am

Just a reminder of Wayne Cochran in action…

Wayne Cochran and the C.C. Riders.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:50:28am

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

“oh my… THEY’RE NOT FIGHTING ! ! !
COVER THE CHILDREN’S EYES ! ! !”

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jeffreyw  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:51:16am

re: #356 BlueSpotinAL

What I am making now…

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Tell me about that smoker. Will it hold a set temp?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:51:28am

moron

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:53:47am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:54:14am

A whole lot of undecideds in that poll
Except for Trump

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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:56:16am

Bomb Squad.

This is the last WaPo article I will inflict on you now. It isn’t as important as the other two, but it is fun to read a review of the books of four never-Trumpers: Charlie Sykes, Max Boot, Rick Wilson and Jeff Flake. The point of it all is to say that they never admit to being at fault THEMSELVES. And Conservatism can’t be at fault (although Boot comes closer there).

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dangerman  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:57:32am

re: #412 retired cynic

If you want a pretty decent summary of all of the legal challenges DT faces at the moment (next week it will probably be bigger)…

washingtonpost.com

if ya don’t wanna read, here’s a nice graphic from CNN:

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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:57:50am

re: #429 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A whole lot of undecideds in that poll
Except for Trump

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They are doing to Nancy what they did to Hillary. Disgusting that people still fall for it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:57:52am

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

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moron

You’re a monster who deserves to rot in a jail cell for punishing people for seeking asylum. Gtfo my country you fascist fuck waffle.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:58:08am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:59:08am

re: #430 retired cynic

Bomb Squad.

This is the last WaPo article I will inflict on you now. It isn’t as important as the other two, but it is fun to read a review of the books of four never-Trumpers: Charlie Sykes, Max Boot, Rick Wilson and Jeff Flake. The point of it all is to say that they never admit to being at fault THEMSELVES. And Conservatism can’t be at fault (although Boot comes closer there).

Read that this morning. It’s spot on. And it really gets Boot for having never actually read what Goldwater was saying.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:59:09am

re: #426 jeffreyw

Pretty reliable at holding a constant temperature. I usually smoke at 200F or so.
It may take a bit of fiddling to get to a chosen temperature, depending on ambient temperature and air flow.

I like it (Landmann 34 in. Gas Single Door Wide Vertical Smoker) because I don’t have to tend it so much.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:59:59am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:02:28am

re: #437 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s gotta be Hair-in-a-Can or something. It’s laughably bad.

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nines09  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:02:35am
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dangerman  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:05:52am

re: #416 retired cynic

And there are several other WaPo articles this morning that are good summaries.

This one explores the decision of the TX judge who ruled the ACA unconstitutional, and the legal reasons why it is incorrect, and “naked judicial activism.”

washingtonpost.com

two comments from the responses to that article:

For the last 20 or so years I have described a conservative as a person who lives in the constant fear that a poor child will go to sleep in a warm bed with a full belly. Now, I will have to add another phase to describe their fear of said child having health care.

someone else:
They would happily take food bought by food stamps out of the mouths of poor people and throw it in the garbage rather than let them eat it…just to “teach” them a lesson.

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nines09  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:08:06am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:08:19am

Time to call it a day; up early for work tomorrow. Later, Lizards.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:12:32am
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:12:44am

re: #415 Barefoot Grin

Alternative hairline.

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Eyebrow pencil.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:14:10am

re: #443 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Though, I can see I may be interpreting that a different way than they meant it

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:23:43am
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DodgerFan1988  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:24:11am
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Teukka  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:27:25am

re: #443 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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My favorites are a tie between these two:

Queen - ‘Who Wants To Live Forever’

Queen - The Show Must Go On (Official Video)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:27:33am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:27:41am

And, some additional advice

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:45:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:48:28am

this defense maneuver seems to be going well…

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:48:59am

re: #301 Belafon

Do you have a link to that tweet? I can’t find it.

no, I had it saved in favorites but cleared it out Friday.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:50:01am

re: #452 Backwoods_Sleuth

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this defense maneuver seems to be going well…

Giuliani sucks as a defense attorney.

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:55:07am

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Giuliani sucks as a defense attorney.

Giuliani sucks.

Period.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:55:35am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:56:11am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:56:43am

re: #455 ObserverArt

Giuliani sucks.

Period.

Yeah I’ve never liked him. Ugly opportunist.

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jaunte  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:57:33am
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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:58:29am

re: #459 jaunte

hahahahahahahahaha!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:59:56am

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s douche in the front and back!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:00:30pm

re: #459 jaunte

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:01:56pm

Apparently occurred at a bar/restaurant
So, probably gas leak

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jaunte  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:11:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:12:59pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:15:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:15:55pm

re: #466 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Not a bad idea, Va:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:16:24pm

re: #452 Backwoods_Sleuth

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this defense maneuver seems to be going well…

Will one patriot please initiate disbarment proceedings against Screwdy?

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jaunte  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:16:44pm

re: #466 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What the hell is going on in New Hampshire?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:18:49pm

thread:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:19:05pm

re: #469 jaunte

What the hell is going on in New Hampshire?

Live free or huff glue.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:20:25pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

thread:

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Great thread.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:22:10pm

good grief

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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:24:59pm

re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Corsi, Blago, & you should share a cell.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:25:39pm

re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now DT is telling us what to watch? Oy Vey. I rather watch Downton Abbey Season 5 Episode 9. That is what is on tonight.
whyy.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:27:43pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:28:41pm

re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:29:12pm

Remember our parents warning us about watching too much TV and how it was bad for you?

Trump watched too much TV.

And still does.

And he is bad for us.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:30:44pm

re: #477 Joe Bacon 🌹

That sounds good too. :)

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TedStriker  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:33:54pm

re: #452 Backwoods_Sleuth

this defense maneuver seems to be going well…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:34:24pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:36:59pm
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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:38:56pm

re: #474 HappyWarrior

Corsi, Blago, & you should share a cell.

That’s pretty hard on Blago…

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ObserverArt  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:40:00pm

re: #482 Joe Bacon 🌹

Heh. I’ve already got a Photoshop for that.

Trump is Golden in the eyes of Fundamentalist Christian.
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HappyWarrior  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:40:10pm

re: #482 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Ah yeah I remember when Obama ran for President in 2016 and employed Michael Cohen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:40:10pm

cutest jack-in-the-box ever.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:41:42pm

re: #484 ObserverArt

Heh. I’ve already got a Photoshop for that.

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Another immortal WORK OF ART!!!!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:46:13pm

he’s askeert

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:48:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:50:06pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:51:16pm
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Belafon  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:52:11pm

re: #378 I Would Prefer Not To

Or he should stay and fight, a lengthy court battle may not go Trump’s way, but again, it’s not my life on the line. I would respect any decision he makes.

If I have to make up an award to give him, he will earn my “willing to stay and fight the fights Americans should fight” award.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 16, 2018 • 12:53:25pm

re: #490 Charles Johnson

President Crime Boss is perfect. Mueller has handled that too.
en.wikipedia.org

Read the Legal Career section.

In 1990 he took charge of the United States Department of Justice Criminal Division, still operating as a United States Assistant Attorney General.[19] During his tenure, he oversaw prosecutions including that of Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, the Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie bombing) case, and of the Gambino crime family boss John Gotti[31].

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Jay C  Dec 16, 2018 • 1:00:33pm

re: #490 Charles Johnson

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Even notice that President Orageanus’s retweets of tweets “defending” him, are almost always mere opinion - from (at best) newspaper columnists; and NOT, one might note, serious (i.e. holding current offcice) legal authorities - except, of course, whatever “Judge” FOX News has hired as a fake on-air authority contributor?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 16, 2018 • 1:03:50pm

he is really on a tear

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retired cynic  Dec 16, 2018 • 1:46:40pm

Hah! A quote from HST found on Driftglass’s blog:

“Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he’d lie just to keep his hand in.”
— Harry S Truman

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 16, 2018 • 2:53:05pm

re: #415 Barefoot Grin

Alternative hairline.

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He regained another of his horcruxes.


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