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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2019 • 8:54:04pm
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Belafon  Apr 1, 2019 • 8:59:37pm
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Belafon  Apr 1, 2019 • 9:00:08pm

Now I am just really curious of who Flores is and how long she’s been around Democratic circles:

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 1, 2019 • 9:20:19pm

re: #2 Belafon

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 1, 2019 • 9:33:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2019 • 10:26:40pm

re: #3 Belafon

Now I am just really curious of who Flores is and how long she’s been around Democratic circles:

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Tons of people are overreacting on both sides of this discussion, it’s bait and I’m not falling for it. I refuse to get super invested in any particular candidate this far out and am not about to start shitting on some woman and questioning her motives just because she’s a strong Bernie supporter. This shouldn’t be fatal to Biden and anybody who’s been in politics as long as he has needs to learn deal with the inevitable baggage anyway.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 1, 2019 • 10:42:59pm
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A hollow voice says, Oringes...  Apr 1, 2019 • 10:49:13pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

Tons of people are overreacting on both sides of this entire goddamned discussion, it’s bait and I’m not falling for it. I refuse to get super invested in any particular candidate this far out and am not about to start shitting on some woman and questioning her motives just because she’s a strong Bernie supporter. This shouldn’t be fatal to Biden and anybody who’s been in politics as long as he has needs to learn deal with the inevitable baggage anyway.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.

Agree. I will add, though, that, “I was never inappropriate,” is not a good response. If they were made uncomfortable, it was inappropriate.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2019 • 10:53:52pm

re: #8 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

Agree. I will add, though, that, “I was never inappropriate,” is not a good response. If they were made uncomfortable, it was inappropriate.

Yeah, it was definitely a missed opportunity. He should have apologized for how his actions were perceived and vowed to be more physically circumspect going forward.

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plansbandc  Apr 1, 2019 • 10:56:37pm

re: #5 Patricia Kayden

I can’t handle the cuteness!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 1, 2019 • 11:04:20pm

How many Mexican countries do you suppose there are, Fauxters? Look it up. It’s not rocket surgery, you know.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 2, 2019 • 12:28:42am

Harry Potter among books burned by priests in Poland

Catholic priests in Poland have burned books that they say promote sorcery, including one of JK Rowling’s Harry Potter novels, in a ceremony they photographed and posted on Facebook.

Three priests in the northern city of Koszalin were pictured carrying the books in a large basket from inside a church to a stone area outside. The books were set alight as prayers were said and a small group of people watched on. A mask, various trinkets and a Hello Kitty umbrella were also visible in the pictures of the makeshift bonfire.

Superstition profiteers don’t like the competition.

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 12:36:04am

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Harry Potter among books burned by priests in Poland

Superstition profiteers don’t like the competition.

“Dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen,” or “Where books are burned, in the end, people will also be burned.”
— Heinrich Heine (1823)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 2, 2019 • 12:42:34am

re: #13 Teukka

“Dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen,” or “Where books are burned, in the end, people will also be burned.”
— Heinrich Heine (1823)

And just who might be behind this revival of superstition-driven book burning? From the same Guardian article:

It is not the first occasion in which the hugely popular Harry Potter series has attracted the ire of religious zealots, some of whom believe the books are inspired by evil spirits and could lead children astray. Kids Against The Sorcerers, a 2016 cartoon film promoted by a number of Russian government agencies, featured a nefarious western plot backed by Nato and Harry Potter to subvert and corrupt Russian schoolchildren.

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 1:04:53am

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

And just who might be behind this revival of superstition-driven book burning? From the same Guardian article:

And it isn’t an original idea on their side… This quote is from “Studies in Prejudice,” Vol. V, pp. 12-13:

1. ECONOMIC GRIEVANCES. The agitator roams freely over every area of economic life. He may begin anywhere at all. Too much help is being extended to foreign nations. “If we have any money to offer for nothing,or to loan, or to give away, we had better give it to our own first. Of course, that is old fashioned. “Not only are foreigners taking our money, they also threaten our jobs. “People born in America have to commit suicide because they have nothing to eat while refugees get their jobs.” Behind such injustices stand “The International Bankers, who devised and control our money system, [and] are guilty of giving us unsound money.” Such situations constitute a danger to the American way of life, for “what is more likely to follow many years of Nudeal communistic confiscatory taxation, wool-less, metal-less, auto-less regimentation and planned scarcities than our finally becoming stripped by necessity to Nudism?”

2. POLITICAL GRIEVANCES. International commitments by the United States government jeopardize political liberties. “Like Russia, the United States is suffering from the scourge of internationalism.” The American people are warned: “Be not duped by the internationalists who dwell amongst us.” Of course it is only reasonable that “treaties and agreements … shall be reached with other nations, but … we want no world court and no world congress made up of a few Orientals and a few Russians and a few Europeans and a few British … to make laws for us to obey … From within, this country is threatened by radicalism, which prepares strikes that are “dress rehearsals for a forthcoming general strike that is meant to paralyze the Nation. …”We face both the danger of a “Soviet America …where… an Austrian-born Felix Frankfurter presides over an unending ‘Moscow trial.’.” and the rule of “tyrannical bureaucrats” who if they “could have their way completely” would institute a “dictatorship in America as merciless as anything on earth.”’

3. CULTURAL GRIEVANCES. The agitator is greatly disturbed because the media of public information are in the hands of enemies of the nation. “…the Hollywood motion picture industry is being exploited by Russian Jewish Communists determined to inject their materialistic propaganda into the fresh young minds of our children…” Hollywood is “largely dominated by aliens who have appropriated to their own use the inventions and discoveries of native citizens and who now specialize in speculation, indecency and foreign propaganda.” “The American press will never be free” until control “is removed from racial, religious and economic pressure groups.”

4. MORAL GRIEVANCES. The enemies of the agitator are notoriously lax in morals: they engage in luxury consumption, they are a “crowd of Marxists, refugees, left-wing internationalists who enjoy the cream of the country and want the rest of us to go on milkless, butterless, cheeseless days while they guzzle champagne.” And what is most galling of all is that “we gentiles are suckers.” For “while we were praying they had their hands in our pockets.”

This was written in the late 40’s to early 50’s. Only the name of the bogeymen have changed, from “internationalists” to “globalists”, from “Marxists” to “socialists” or “lefties”. It’s the same ol’ shit, just refurbed, rebadged and given a new snazzy paint job to cover the brown color. “Birch meadows” doesn’t ring a bell until you say it in German…

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 1:37:18am

re: #15 Teukka

And it isn’t an original idea on their side… This quote is from “Studies in Prejudice,” Vol. V, pp. 12-13:

This was written in the late 40’s to early 50’s. Only the name of the bogeymen have changed, from “internationalists” to “globalists”, from “Marxists” to “socialists” or “lefties”. It’s the same ol’ shit, just refurbed, rebadged and given a new snazzy paint job to cover the brown color. “Birch meadows” doesn’t ring a bell until you say it in German…

And made a tweetstorm outta it :)

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LastYearsMan  Apr 2, 2019 • 2:55:16am

Yadda yadda yadda.

Oh, nevermind. Comment deleted.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2019 • 3:16:47am

re: #8 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

Good Morning.
My take here as well.
An awful lot of bushwhacking going on out there. I’m not falling for any of it

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2019 • 3:37:56am

re: #15 Teukka

Creepy how that sounds like present day rightwing propaganda. It’s like reading the playbook for Alex Jones, Breitbart or Fox News. They haven’t changed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 4:36:03am

re: #15 Teukka

“Birch meadows” doesn’t ring a bell until you say it in German…

Or “Beech Forest”

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 2, 2019 • 4:36:55am
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dharmamark  Apr 2, 2019 • 4:38:15am

Morning all,

Been lurking on here for the last couple of years due to life’s crazy. Lost my sister to cancer, got married, dealing with family drama, etc. Decided to bail on Facebook for a while because it’d become too toxic. Just a little toxic I can handle, but… Anyway, I’ve been an LGF subscriber for a while and a daily reader of current posts and think I’m now ready to jump back in and contribute instead of just sponging off of all the great big brains on here.

So, cheers!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 4:40:24am

re: #22 dharmamark

I don’t to politics on FB. I came here around ten years ago, back when the site was a lot more conservative but the tone was decent and the arguments were reasonable on both sides of the issues.

The political alignment has changed but the tone is still quite affable.

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jeffreyw  Apr 2, 2019 • 4:57:04am

Doves are Drama Queens

Good morning!

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:00:31am

re: #21 Sufficient unto the day…

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Morning!

This Chris L dude is one smug asshole. It is scary how many of these know-it-all, excusers-of-everything, let-people-be-dude types exist. They all have some hard lessons coming.

How do they explain what all happened in Europe during the early to mid-20th Century? It’d be interesting to see how they downplay all of that because I have a feeling Chris L would.

I guess as long as you have no direct threat today, the past for others never happened.

But hey, he has the look down!

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:01:34am

re: #22 dharmamark

Morning all,

Been lurking on here for the last couple of years due to life’s crazy. Lost my sister to cancer, got married, dealing with family drama, etc. Decided to bail on Facebook for a while because it’d become too toxic. Just a little toxic I can handle, but… Anyway, I’ve been an LGF subscriber for a while and a daily reader of current posts and think I’m now ready to jump back in and contribute instead of just sponging off of all the great big brains on here.

So, cheers!

Good to see you back. The more comments the merrier!

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:10:30am

I got this in my ACM news yesterday. Palintir won a contract to develop a battlefield intelligence system, being the first non-defense contractor to do so. According to the article, they are liked in the national security circles, but then I also saw this:

The Army’s decision to go with Palantir, which was co-founded by Peter Thiel, the billionaire investor and sometimes adviser to President Trump, brings to a close the latest chapter in a fierce competition.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:12:11am

re: #27 Belafon

I got this in my ACM news yesterday. Palintir won a contract to develop a battlefield intelligence system, being the first non-defense contractor to do so. According to the article, they are liked in the national security circles, but then I also saw this:

that name rung a bell…what else are they (in)famous for?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:14:56am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that name rung a bell…what else are they (in)famous for?

Something about Count Dracula…

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:17:07am

re: #21 Sufficient unto the day…

This fucking guy.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:18:59am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that name rung a bell…what else are they (in)famous for?

The Palintir was the “crystal ball” used in TLOTR.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:20:30am

re: #31 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The Palintir was the “crystal ball” used in TLOTR.

This I am aware of, but the name of the company has also come up in the news before…as one of those rather cryptic data-processing companies with connections to the US government…

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:22:23am

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This I am aware of, but the name of the company has also come up in the news before…as one of those rather cryptic data-processing companies with connections to the US government…

According to the article, the intelligences services like the company.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:22:50am

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This I am aware of, but the name of the company has also come up in the news before…as one of those rather cryptic data-processing companies with connections to the US government…

Maybe the idea that Palintir is not unlike Cambridge Analytics?
bloomberg.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:40:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:42:06am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

NEW: Pres. Trump says Republicans should wait to vote on a plan to repeal and replace Obamacare until after the 2020 election.

They will not give up until they have deprived millions of affordable health care…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:46:14am

Know your Mexicos….

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:46:35am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

“If we vote now, we’re going to get screwed, so we’ll do it when it won’t cost us as much.”

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:46:57am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

ABC News ✔
@ABC
NEW: Pres. Trump says Republicans should wait to vote on a plan to repeal and replace Obamacare until after the 2020 election. abcn.ws

9:39 AM - Apr 2, 2019

The Democrats just need to remind everyone the reason Trump is asking to hold off is because he knows what he and the Republicans want to do will destroy healthcare and will cost them in the 2020 election.

Remind America it is all a political ploy, don’t believe them for a second and vote for Democrats because we are the party that changed healthcare and want to improve upon what was started and has been damaged by the Republicans under Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:47:38am

OH SHIT

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:50:51am

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

There have been at least 20 reported in Hong Kong so far this year. Several centered around HK International Airport. South China Morning Post reported a pilot for Cathay Pacific was flying after being diagnosed with measles. The flight attendants union is none too pleased at Cathay’s handling of the infections.

Measles is not a disease to be complacent about. It’s much more contagious than even whooping cough or the flu.

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:51:12am
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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:53:26am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will not give up until they have deprived millions of affordable health care…

Someone must have told him that doing it before the election would result in a complete ass-kicking.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2019 • 6:57:00am

re: #39 ObserverArt

Seems like a great commercial: “Trump and the GOP want to take away your health care, but they know you won’t like it. So they’re going to wait until you can’t do anything about it.”

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uncah91  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:00:08am

re: #30 MsJ

The former is great, the latter needs complete destruction

Sorry for maybe butting in as I’m not a regular commenter.

I endorse the idea of implacable opposition to Nazism, white supremacy and ethno-nationalism. The various fuckwits on the right who are playing footsie with that shit, saying the quiet parts out loud, or just openly embracing it are making a vile brew.

I think you might be getting sucked into make some bad arguments. You are debating on ground more favorable to him when you start in on endorsing, or seeming to endorse, killing people because of what they believe. That’s akin to McCarthyism, which is also a a reactionary, conservative, ideology.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:02:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:02:40am

re: #41 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

There have been at least 20 reported in Hong Kong so far this year. Several centered around HK International Airport. South China Morning Post reported a pilot for Cathay Pacific was flying after being diagnosed with measles. The flight attendants union is none too pleased at Cathay’s handling of the infections.

Measles is not a disease to be complacent about. It’s much more contagious than even whooping cough or the flu.

I never had measles as a kid and came down with it for my 18th birthday. Sick with fever for a week. I had one spot from my forehead to my navel, and was totally tired and wiped out for a week after I had recovered from the worst of it.

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:05:52am

re: #45 uncah91

Sorry for maybe butting in as I’m not a regular commenter.

I endorse the idea of implacable opposition to Nazism, white supremacy and ethno-nationalism. The various fuckwits on the right who are playing footsie with that shit, saying the quiet parts out loud, or just openly embracing it are making a vile brew.

I think you might be getting sucked into make some bad arguments. You are debating on ground more favorable to him when you start in on endorsing, or seeming to endorse, killing people because of what they believe. That’s akin to McCarthyism, which is also a a reactionary, conservative, ideology.

We are watching these ideas put into action. We have children dying in cages, we are imprisoning and dehumanizing people because they’re brown. People can believe anything they want, but when actions like this take place and people support those actions, that is not just “what they believe”. It’s way past that.

And you don’t have to be a regular to discuss. Welcome!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:07:38am
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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:08:35am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I never had measles as a kid and came down with it for my 18th birthday. Sick with fever for a week. I had one spot from my forehead to my navel, and was totally tired and wiped out for a week after I had recovered from the worst of it.

I had German measles as a kid…my temp went to 106 and I was hospitalized, sleeping on a bed of ice for three days. Ice baths thrown in because I wasn’t quite solid yet.

The ice was worse than the incredibly vivid dreams I was having.

I don’t think I ever had Measles itself. I did get a shot as a kid. Didn’t seem to help me not get Rubella.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:09:54am

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

“They physically harmed migrants, forced them to stand for prolonged periods, & deprived them of sleep & access to medical care, & failed to provide them w/ adequate food & water.” They did this all out in the open. Now moved to an undisclosed location.

They did this in the open to send a message of deterrence to anyone else who would think of doing the same.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:11:35am

My daughter just got her baby vaccinated before they come here.

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retired cynic  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:31:41am

re: #50 MsJ

I had German measles as a kid…my temp went to 106 and I was hospitalized, sleeping on a bed of ice for three days. Ice baths thrown in because I wasn’t quite solid yet.

The ice was worse than the incredibly vivid dreams I was having.

I don’t think I ever had Measles itself. I did get a shot as a kid. Didn’t seem to help me not get Rubella.

Yeah, I had both kinds, and chicken pox, before there were vaccines. Had to be in a darkened room, and the worst of all: couldn’t read! I remember it as a miserable time. My mother had already had all of them at least twice, so it must have taken a real gut check for her to nurse my brother and me through them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:33:19am

re: #53 retired cynic

Yeah, I had both kinds, and chicken pox, before there were vaccines. Had to be in a darkened room, and the worst of all: couldn’t read! I remember it as a miserable time. My mother had already had all of them at least twice, so it must have taken a real gut check for her to nurse my brother and me through them.

I had chicken pox twice, but only relatively mild cases. It has come back to haunt me twice now with cases of the shingles. Both mild but unpleasant and mostly just physically exhausting.

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retired cynic  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:36:19am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had chicken pox twice, but only relatively mild cases. It has come back to haunt me twice now with cases of the shingles. Both mild but unpleasant and mostly just physically exhausting.

One of my cousins is going through shingles right now. It has been rough, and hanging on for weeks. I sent word to her to see a specialist, if she isn’t already. UGH! My grandfather had them in his 50s, and then again in his 80s, and they lasted until he died in his 90s. The fear of that sort of thing led me to pay a bunch to get the shingles shot for my husband and I. I sure didn’t want it, and he was so frail, it was the last thing he needed. UGH!

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:36:57am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had chicken pox twice, but only relatively mild cases. It has come back to haunt me twice now with cases of the shingles. Both mild but unpleasant and mostly just physically exhausting.

I had no idea you could get chicken pox twice. How is that possible? Don’t you build up an immunity after you have it?

I had it once as a kid and got the shingles shot a few years ago. The thought of getting that is terrifying since some people have it for months.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:40:22am

Oh hell.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:40:38am

re: #56 MsJ

Most people are immune after one round. Most.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:43:13am

re: #56 MsJ

I had no idea you could get chicken pox twice. How is that possible? Don’t you build up an immunity after you have it?

I had it once as a kid and got the shingles shot a few years ago. The thought of getting that is terrifying since some people have it for months.

my first case was rather mild, I guess, and not enough to build up full immunity.

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uncah91  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:45:46am

re: #48 MsJ

We are watching these ideas put into action. We have children dying in cages, we are imprisoning and dehumanizing people because they’re brown. People can believe anything they want, but when actions like this take place and people support those actions, that is not just “what they believe”. It’s way past that.

And you don’t have to be a regular to discuss. Welcome!

Absolutely we should oppose the actions, and I adamantly do. I’d like to hope, without having much hope, that criminal cases could be made against those who promulgated these policies, as I bet, in many cases, they did so in an extrajudicial manner.

But I still don’t support summary execution by vigilantes for anyone who is deemed by “us” to support these actions. I don’t think that is what you are actually endorsing, either.

This is a debate trap. They want you to lure you into professing support for doing “the most” to oppose these things, which they can then use to attempt to invalidate your entire argument.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:47:51am

alt-right was all about making Fascism and White Supremacism mainstream enough to present themselves as valid points on the political spectrum and remove the stigma of the past when they were seen as anathema to everything America stood for, and even fought wars to prevent.

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Citizen K  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:49:47am

I just…I can’t fucking even with these motherfuckers.

They literally treat Puerto Rico like it’s a completely different place and want to starve it since they literally see it as ‘Not America’.

These motherfuckers want to genocide a fucking American territory.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:51:22am

re: #62 Citizen K

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I just…I can’t fucking even with these motherfuckers.

They literally treat Puerto Rico like it’s a completely different place and want to starve it since they literally see it as ‘Not America’.

These motherfuckers want to genocide a fucking American territory.

I really wonder what percentage of Americans in general and especially Trump supporters even know that it is part of the USA and that Puerto Ricans are US citizens who can vote if they elect to leave Puerto Rico and resettle here.

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gwangung  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:52:09am

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

Tons of people are overreacting on both sides of this discussion, it’s bait and I’m not falling for it. I refuse to get super invested in any particular candidate this far out and am not about to start shitting on some woman and questioning her motives just because she’s a strong Bernie supporter. This shouldn’t be fatal to Biden and anybody who’s been in politics as long as he has needs to learn deal with the inevitable baggage anyway.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.

Meh. I think Biden’s actual law making is far more fatal. Far more conservative than his fan thinks and his refusal to own up for his part in the Anita Hill debacle coupled with that just puts him near the bottom of the list for me.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:54:49am
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Ace-o-aces  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:55:12am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:57:38am

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

My theory: Trump actively worked with surrogates of the Russian government. People connected (think oligarchs/friends of Putin etc.), but not the government itself.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:58:35am

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

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It might be simpler: they didn’t need to coordinate with him because they already owned him. They told him they would work with his team and he didn’t have to do anything but continue his campaign and they would handle everything for him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 7:58:48am

re: #67 GlutenFreeJesus

My theory: Trump actively worked with surrogates of the Russian government. People connected (think oligarchs/friends of Putin etc.), but not the government itself.

I can imagine that is what the full wording of the Mueller Report will tell us.

Just do direct collusion between Trump and the Russian government.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:00:48am

re: #57 GlutenFreeJesus

Honestly surprised, based on the looks those other women gave her, that she didn’t get jumped and beat down right there. I have an acquaintance who swears hillary stole the nomination from bernie and went full MAGAtard as a result. It makes no sense whatsoever to me.

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William Lewis  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:01:46am

I and my sister had been vaccinated against measles but in the mid 60’s it wasn’t always effective. So my sister and I both got measles. I know it badly damaged her hearing and I believe it left me infertile.

I still have the stuffed turtle toy I got at that time, when I was about 4. Still my bestest friend :D

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Citizen K  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:01:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:05:32am

re: #72 Citizen K

Puerto Rico IS the USA. Ahhh… the deep stupidity of the President of the United States.

It is a colony, er, um territory of the USA. Residents are full citizens, they just do not have the right to vote in US elections.

To quote Wiki; ” Puerto Rico does not have voting rights in its federal legislature nor in electing its federal head of government. But, in contrast to U.S. states, residents of Puerto Rico are not subject to federal income taxes. The political status of the island thus stems from how different Puerto Rico is politically from sovereign nations and from U.S. states.”

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:10:18am

re: #60 uncah91

Absolutely we should oppose the actions, and I adamantly do. I’d like to hope, without having much hope, that criminal cases could be made against those who promulgated these policies, as I bet, in many cases, they did so in an extrajudicial manner.

But I still don’t support summary execution by vigilantes for anyone who is deemed by “us” to support these actions. I don’t think that is what you are actually endorsing, either.

This is a debate trap. They want you to lure you into professing support for doing “the most” to oppose these things, which they can then use to attempt to invalidate your entire argument.

I am not supporting vigilantism in any way. And exactly how to state in words what I want is difficult because, there are people who are doing it (who should be tried at the ICC, but since we are not a member, that is unlikely) and the likelihood that anything that might be done will not (republicans support killing anything not white and sufficiently christian) - which makes action, any action difficult or simply never gonna happen…and there are people supporting it, calling for it, yearning for it.

We are all dehumanized daily, by right wing pundits, politicians and everything in between (along with all of their followers…bombs away!) Dehumanized to the point that the nuts are actively trying to kill us (bombs away! Yay!) Violence increased hundreds-fold where trump does his nazi rallies. We are living it now.

I suppose a war will fix it all. We’ll all kill the other side and it will all be okie dokie because we’re at war.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:10:43am

re: #72 Citizen K

He’s also stating the amount of damage done by hurricane Maria ($91B) as the amount of disaster relief they received ($1.5B). Is it on purpose? Who knows! Is he evil or stupid? Yes!

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Citizen K  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:11:47am

re: #75 Flying Squirrel Girl

He’s also stating the amount of damage done by hurricane Maria ($91B) as the amount of disaster relief they received ($1.5B). Is it on purpose? Who knows! Is he evil or stupid? Yes!

On purpose or not, it has the same effect, because he and his cohorts would never admit they fucked up. They just double down.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:12:30am

So, they thought Puerto Rico was one of the Mexican countries then?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:13:10am

re: #75 Flying Squirrel Girl

Of course it’s on purpose. He knows his supporters don’t care about the truth.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:16:21am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Republicans don’t control the House so…? What a stupid man we have running this country.

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Jay C  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:21:25am

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

So, they thought Puerto Rico was one of the Mexican countries then?

///

Yep. “Caribbean Mexico”.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:22:55am

re: #57 GlutenFreeJesus

I can’t even watch that. Infuriating!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:25:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:26:26am

moron

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:26:34am

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

So, they thought Puerto Rico was one of the Mexican countries then?

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Sea Mexico.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:28:44am

re: #57 GlutenFreeJesus

Oh hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:30:22am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:30:39am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really wonder what percentage of Americans in general and especially Trump supporters even know that it is part of the USA and that Puerto Ricans are US citizens who can vote if they elect to leave Puerto Rico and resettle here.

I remember in the immediate aftermath of the Ariel Castro kidnapping/sex slavery case, there were quite a few online comments about Mr. Castro being an “illegal immigrant”.

He was originally from Puerto Rico - and there were a whole lotta people out there that were genuinely surprised to discover that Puerto Ricans are American citizens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:33:33am
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danarchy  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:33:34am

re: #75 Flying Squirrel Girl

He’s also stating the amount of damage done by hurricane Maria ($91B) as the amount of disaster relief they received ($1.5B). Is it on purpose? Who knows! Is he evil or stupid? Yes!

Wapo actually has a really good explainer of where the $91 billion dollar number came from. It is $41 billion allocated($11 billion already spent) plus $50 billion long term(20 year) required under some 1988 disaster relief act. So Trump is full of shit, but your numbers are wrong too.

washingtonpost.com

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:35:22am
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:35:34am

I’m so old I recall this headline.
THE STARR REPORT; Full Text of Findings Sent to Congress — Part Five of Thirteen

I bet it’s a lot harder to find a republican lately that remembers the “full text” part…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:36:05am
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dharmamark  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:37:26am

This happened recently in the UK. Gives a bit of hope.

YouTube

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:38:45am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:40:23am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

They do not. Gas is basically free there. Caracas analyst Dimitris Pantoulas: “I really doubt that you can find more than 10 electric cars in Venezuela.”

There’s more electric cars in the city of Ostrava.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:40:58am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:42:54am

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The Party told you to disregard the evidence of your eyes and ears…”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:44:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:46:45am

botany factoids

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:49:56am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

NEW: Pres. Trump says Republicans should wait to vote on a plan to repeal and replace Obamacare until after the 2020 election.

so in a series of tweets he said this:

the Republicans….are developing a really great HealthCare Plan with far lower premiums (cost) & deductibles than ObamaCare. In other words it will be far less expensive & much more usable than ObamaCare. Vote will be taken right after the Election when Republicans hold the Senate & win……….back the House. It will be truly great HealthCare that will work for America. Also, Republicans will always support Pre-Existing Conditions. The Republican Party will be known as the Party of Great HealtCare. Meantime, the USA is doing better than ever & is respected again!

two observations:

- for lower premiums and lower deductibles, it pretty well must cover less. there is no other way.

- holding the vote “right after” the R’s re-win the house is fine with me. That means the plan/legislation would likely have to be complete and ready to go; right? I mean it’s not like the whole thing would be a vaporware lie just to get votes.

SO anyone who doesn’t demand and SEE that plan BEFORE voting for him/them, well you are a ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:50:26am
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Man, DangerMan  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:51:02am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

In 1998, Rep.Jerry Nadler strongly opposed the release of the Starr Report on Bill Clinton. No information whatsoever would or could be legally released. But with the NO COLLUSION Mueller Report, which the Dems hate, he wants it all. NOTHING WILL EVER SATISFY THEM! @foxandfriends

no collusion?

prove it.

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plansbandc  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:54:24am

re: #56 MsJ

My grandma had it twice also. It appears to be more common than I thought.

I’ve never had it, so yea! No shingles for me.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 2, 2019 • 8:56:41am

re: #100 Man, DangerMan

so in a series of tweets he said this:

two observations:

- for lower premiums and lower deductibles, it pretty well must cover less. there is no other way.

- holding the vote “right after” the R’s re-win the house is fine with me. That means the plan/legislation would likely have to be complete and ready to go; right? I mean it’s not like the whole thing would be a vaporware lie just to get votes.

SO anyone who doesn’t demand and SEE that plan BEFORE voting for him/them, well you are a ass.

Unfortunately at least 62 million Americans can be so categorized. There are people with plans that are too expensive now — they are exactly like Charlie Brown and going to fall again for the Lucy “What have you got to lose” football. People are gullible — they hear what they want to hear. They don’t want to admit that they were taken in by a con man so they double down on their support.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:08:09am
BEIJING — A kindergarten teacher has been arrested in eastern China after 23 students were sickened in a suspected act of deliberate poisoning, police said Tuesday.

The teacher, identified by the surname Wang, is believed to have adulterated the children’s food with sodium nitrite, the Jiaozuo city police said on their official microblog.

Overexposure to sodium nitrite can be toxic and possibly fatal. Police said they were still looking for a motive in last week’s incident.

Schoolchildren in China have been the target of often fatal attacks by people bearing grudges or considered mentally ill.

In 2002, 42 people, mostly schoolchildren, died after eating snacks laced with rat poison in the eastern city of Nanjing. The killer, who apparently was jealous of his rivals’ thriving business, was swiftly sentenced to death and executed.

nypost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:12:49am
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Man, DangerMan  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:15:26am

re: #104 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately at least 62 million Americans can be so categorized. There are people with plans that are too expensive now — they are exactly like Charlie Brown and going to fall again for the Lucy “What have you got to lose” football. People are gullible — they hear what they want to hear. They don’t want to admit that they were taken in by a con man so they double down on their support.

yeah, and they’ll probably misquote it too as if GWB said it first…

“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:18:16am

Wow, this troll is sticky…

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darthstar  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:18:44am

Well, I’m at the point already where I don’t care who runs against Trump next year. I wanted Biden in 2016 but alas, fate wouldn’t have it. Bernie would have been a bit of a shit show if he made it and of course if Hillary had won we’d be watching impeachment hearings over some college paper she wrote. We don’t deserve nice things.

Okay, my dream ticket is Harris/O’Rourke - or Klobuchar/O’Rourke. One of those two women at the top and Beto to fill in after they’re done and we’d be headed in the right direction.

But fuck people who want to disqualify Biden for #metoo reasons. He’s from a different age.

My avatar for the last 7 years on Twitter has been from this image:

Yeah, it’s more evidence that he’s got a history of flirtatious playfulness. And yeah, Anita Hill was a bad mark on his history, fine. Point scored for Team No.

Saw this pic on facebook, which is why my panties are in a bunch. It doesn’t help the Biden argument, just adds fuel to the fire:

And yeah, one of the guys he’s schmoozing is Al Franken…who fucked up and resigned from the Senate.

Okay, rant off. I’ll miss seeing Joe in the race…I won’t miss the assholes who want to tear him down because he doesn’t pass their purity test.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:26:06am
North Carolina’s largest political donor and three others, including the chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party, have been indicted on bribery charges.

Greg Lindberg, John Palermo, John Gray and Robin Hayes were indicted last month, but the indictments were unsealed Tuesday. They’re all accused of trying to bribe state Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey.

Hayes is also charged with three counts of making false statements to the FBI.

Hayes is a former congressman and GOP candidate for governor. On Monday, he announced that he wouldn’t seek another term as chairman of the state Republican Party.

wral.com

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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:28:45am

re: #109 darthstar

X2

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:29:52am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:29:52am

re: #84 makeitstop

Sea Mexico.
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Don’t we have a Lizard with the nic of Sea Mexican?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:31:17am

re: #113 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Don’t we have a Lizard with the nic of Sea Mexican?

Yep. Not sure if he or she is still around, but I remember them.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:32:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:32:13am

re: #113 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Don’t we have a Lizard with the nic of Sea Mexican?

andres

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:33:41am

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Not sure if he or she is still around, but I remember them.

he was here the other day:

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:36:25am

re: #103 plansbandc

My grandma had it twice also. It appears to be more common than I thought.

I’ve never had it, so yea! No shingles for me.

Don’t count on that.

Transmission

A person with active shingles can spread the virus when the rash is in the blister-phase. A person is not infectious before the blisters appear. Once the rash has developed crusts, the person is no longer infectious.

The risk is low, but it’s still there.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:39:25am

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chamber of Commerce: Shutdown of border will cost the US economy $1.7 billion per day.

They are opposed to Trump’s shutdown threat.

I’d argue that the costs are even higher than that due to a multiplier effect as a result of just in time affecting manufacturing and finishing of products in the US where components are coming from Mexico. This will not suddenly create new factories in the US. It just means those existing businesses are harmed because Trump doesn’t get how foreign trade works.

Trump the fucking hypocrite knows that having clothing made in China or Mexico pads his bottom line, since he could have had his clothing line made in the US but it would have cost more to do. He purposefully went overseas to have his clothing lines made there - to maximize his profits.

He doesn’t give a shit about working class Americans, and the ones who will be hit hardest by any shutdown over a prolonged period will be… working class Americans - especially those in factories reliant on components shipped from Mexico. Agriculture will also be hard hit since crops wont get picked and therefore ruin the farm owners as crops are left to rot instead of getting picked (those undocumented workers are the ones often picking the crops because they are jobs that Americans wont do - especially at the wages the farmers are paying).

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Citizen K  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:41:11am

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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can't think of a decent username  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:41:53am

re: #62 Citizen K

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I just…I can’t fucking even with these motherfuckers.

They literally treat Puerto Rico like it’s a completely different place and want to starve it since they literally see it as ‘Not America’.

These motherfuckers want to genocide a fucking American territory.

Late to the party, but I’d like to remind everyone that they don’t just want to genocide an American territory. The Republican goal is to kill every non-white person in the country.

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:45:58am

Translated from Spanish by Microsoft

#URGENTE || At this TIME 11:04 AM, Venezuelan of Colombian side of the bridge #SimónBolívar broke PICKET of the GNB to enter #Venezuela with food after flood of the river #Táchira.

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:46:13am

re: #113 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Don’t we have a Lizard with the nic of Sea Mexican?

He is from PR, too.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:46:22am
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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:47:14am

re: #121 can’t think of a decent username

Late to the party, but I’d like to remind everyone that they don’t just want to genocide an American territory. The Republican goal is to kill every non-white person in the country.

I’ve believed for a long time that they want to financially break Puerto Rico, then have Trump and his buddies swoop in and buy all that great beachfront resort property for pennies on the dollar.

Trump Island, y’all.

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:48:22am
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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:50:53am

Amazon testing how to use airships and drones to send you stuff…

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:51:22am

re: #124 lawhawk

For someone who claims that the Mueller report exonerates him (it doesn’t), you’re certainly doing everything to try and bury the report so no one sees it.

Those are not the actions of someone who is exonerated.

Those are the actions of someone with something criminal to hide.

plus, i dont believe he’s seen it and if he has, i am certain he didnt read it

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:51:41am

re: #123 MsJ

He is from PR, too.

That’s what I thought.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:54:15am
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Belafon  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:54:31am

re: #127 lawhawk

Amazon testing how to use airships and drones to send you stuff…

What’s in the pic?

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:55:34am

And again.

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2019 • 9:55:42am

re: #131 Belafon

What’s in the pic?

A mini-blimp, dispensing drones. Creepy.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:00:16am

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Not sure if he or she is still around, but I remember them.

Isn’t Andres Sea Mexican???

He does still post if I have the right person. I think he was around last week.

Edit: I shoulda kept reading. Sleuth was on it!

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Marsupial  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:00:46am

re: #109 darthstar

This is the only place I feel like I can “safely” comment on this.

Twitter is an absolute trash fire right now of Joe Biden horror stories. At least, that’s what it looks like. But, a lot of it is women with horrifying #MeToo stories that were brought to mind by this coverage of JB. I understand that these women have been through nightmarish experiences, but NONE of them, AFAIK, started by having Joe Biden rub their shoulders, or kiss the back of their heads. That wasn’t him! Joe Biden is NOT your father’s friend who liked to hang around your room; he’s wasn’t your boss who made inappropriate comments to you; he wasn’t the friend-of-the-family who said he wanted to be your gyno. That was something that happened to you, and it’s awful, but I don’t want to alter the present & future based on your experience with someone else!

Even Alyssa Milano came to JB’s defense last night and they turned on her like a pack of wolves!

I’m starting to fear that we are doomed to four more years. We are destroying ourselves from within. (This may be the problem of being the party preference of younger voters — too much purity, not enough pragmatism.)

Rant over!

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:01:10am

re: #132 wrenchwench

And again.

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What’s going on in Houston area? Why these explosions so close to each other?

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:01:25am
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:03:31am

re: #137 lawhawk

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Can Theresa’s government revoke Article 50 without consent of Parliament?

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:04:57am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

What’s going on in Houston area? Why these explosions so close to each other?

Oil, and all the chemicals made from it. Needs more regulation, not less.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:05:02am

re: #138 Hecuba’s daughter

Good question. I’m not sure.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:06:48am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

What’s going on in Houston area? Why these explosions so close to each other?

Large things exploding and catching fire in that area is almost the norm, not the exception. Check out the history going back to the beginning of the 20th century.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:08:28am

re: #121 can’t think of a decent username

Late to the party, but I’d like to remind everyone that they don’t just want to genocide an American territory. The Republican goal is to kill every non-white person in the country.

Not if they are rich. If you are rich, you’re in.

And if your poor, and any color, you are a loser and they want you to go away for ever.

Produce for the rich, they’ll give you some crumbs, or you die by no support from the government.

Republicans only want federal tax money to support the military.

Everything else is up to the states.

That has been a Republican dream since Roosevelt’s New Deal. They wanted no deal.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:09:30am

re: #142 ObserverArt

Not if they are rich. If you are rich, you’re in.

And if your poor, and any color, you are a loser and they want you to go away for ever.

Produce for the rich, they’ll give you some crumbs, or you die by no support from the government.

Republicans only want federal tax money to support the military.

Everything else is up to the states.

That has been a Republican dream since Roosevelt’s New Deal. They wanted no deal.

The reason they want to leave it to the states is so they can deny it to whoever they want.

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darthstar  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:11:05am

re: #127 lawhawk

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Amazon testing how to use airships and drones to send you stuff…

I feel sorry for the 700 humans who live aboard that vessel for weeks while it floats around fulfilling orders.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:11:08am

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

mind…blown.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:11:35am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

What’s going on in Houston area? Why these explosions so close to each other?

It’s Texas, and the EPA has been turned off.

We are going to see more and more of this happening. Profit over safety will do this every time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:11:55am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

What’s going on in Houston area? Why these explosions so close to each other?

Houston is, geographically speaking, a stone’s throw from the Gulf of Mexico and a huge Oil hub in a huge Oil state. That much petroleum based industrial activity in a state that loves them some lax regulations is bound to cause problems.

Not sure what is driving the recent trend though.

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darthstar  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:11:57am

re: #144 darthstar

I feel sorry for the 700 humans who live aboard that vessel for weeks while it floats around fulfilling orders.

And that airship is only carrying dildos and penis pills.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:13:28am

LOLWUT

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:13:42am

re: #148 darthstar

And that airship is only carrying dildos and penis pills.

They wanted the test to be a hard one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:13:44am

re: #138 Hecuba’s daughter

re: #140 lawhawk

from the Independent in January:
Revoking Article 50: Everything you need to know about stopping Brexit

The ECJ says the decision to withdraw the notification has to be made in line with the country’s “own national constitutional requirements” - whatever they may be.

Given the UK Supreme Court ruled that Article 50 could only be triggered with a vote of parliament, it is quite likely that it would need to be revoked by a vote of parliament. The court’s advocate general said in his recommendation that it was “logical that the revocation of that notification also requires parliamentary approval” given it was required to trigger the process.

The government’s lawyers appear to have conceded this point: in their submission to the ECJ during the course of this case they said parliament must have “directed the government” to withdraw Article 50.

However, neither of these strong indications actually make it law. Given what’s riding on the question and the ambiguity of the UK constitution, there is likely to be a legal challenge no matter what happens. Only then will we be absolutely certain. But it’s probably a parliamentary vote.

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:13:57am

re: #127 lawhawk

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Amazon testing how to use airships and drones to send you stuff…

We’re going to see that image in the next Star Wars episode.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:14:10am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Can I punch Matt Gaetz? PLEASE???

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:16:45am

re: #145 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

mind…blown.

Colon blow…or scraping, actually.

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darthstar  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:17:18am

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Can I punch Matt Gaetz? PLEASE???

That should be a national tradition.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:21:37am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

What’s going on in Houston area? Why these explosions so close to each other?

What’s going on in Venezuela? Why these explosions all at power plants? 🤔

Could Houston be tit for tat from Russia, or just Russia seeing a window to play?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:23:47am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Won’t stop the New York Times from kissing his ass again and again.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:25:21am

re: #132 wrenchwench

1 dead; 2 injured so far.

65 times cited by OSHA for workplace violations in recent years. Lacking proper respiratory protections, inadequate safety plans, lack of gear.

It’s failed air quality safety rules multiple times. 3 local school districts sheltering in place.

Texas continues to lead the nation in these kinds of events due to lax oversight.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:26:41am
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steve_davis  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:27:38am

re: #15 Teukka

And it isn’t an original idea on their side… This quote is from “Studies in Prejudice,” Vol. V, pp. 12-13:

This was written in the late 40’s to early 50’s. Only the name of the bogeymen have changed, from “internationalists” to “globalists”, from “Marxists” to “socialists” or “lefties”. It’s the same ol’ shit, just refurbed, rebadged and given a new snazzy paint job to cover the brown color. “Birch meadows” doesn’t ring a bell until you say it in German…

VO Key’s Southern Politics in State and Nation is another golden oldie from the 40’s that remains completely relevant, in spite of the fact that none of the southern states have the same political machines or even voting methods that they did at the time. It still talks about, for instance, South Carolina upstate voters being dominated by mill owners and the cracker baptist preachers who keep the voters in line by helping with the weekly n****** baiting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:33:47am

re: #160 steve_davis

VO Key’s Southern Politics in State and Nation is another golden oldie from the 40’s that remains completely relevant, in spite of the fact that none of the southern states have the same political machines or even voting methods that they did at the time. It still talks about, for instance, South Carolina upstate voters being dominated by mill owners and the cracker baptist preachers who keep the voters in line by helping with the weekly n****** baiting.

There’s a scene in Schindler’s List where one of the Nazi commanders of the Concentration Camp casually walks out on to the balcony of his bedroom (which overlooks the prison yard), grabs his gun, kills three of the Jews below and then casually walks back into his bedroom.

To think that one human being could think others are such inferior creatures that they could effortlessly treat said other beings the same you or I would swat a fly or squish a roach is just unconscionable to me, but it seems to be easier and easier for these people to reach that point these days. What the fuck is wrong with us?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:34:44am

Your reminder that Rick Wilson may be anti-Trump but he is not your friend.

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:36:38am
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ericblair  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:40:13am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

Your reminder that Rick Wilson may be anti-Trump but he is not your friend.

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It’s a little different when the entire media ecosystem isn’t ready to kiss your ass and believe every word that dribbles out of your mouth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:40:19am

re: #163 Teukka

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Tell that to my family who believe that JC and his Sonshine Band will rapture them any day now…

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:41:03am

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Can I punch Matt Gaetz? PLEASE???

Get in line. I think it will be a wait too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:41:48am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

Your reminder that Rick Wilson may be anti-Trump but he is not your friend.

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Just what does Rick suggest that the Democrats do with the Puerto Rican voters (who can not vote in national elections) that are being “handed to them”?

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:42:36am

re: #165 Joe Bacon 🌹

Tell that to my family who believe that JC and his Sonshine Band will rapture them any day now…

I would try to use a similar tactic as I began in the tweet I included in #108

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:44:28am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

What’s going on in Houston area? Why these explosions so close to each other?

“10 refineries in the Houston metro process 2.6 million barrels of crude oil per calendar day - 45.1 percent of the state’s total production and 13.8 percent of the nation’s production.”
houston.org

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:45:13am

Land O’ VOCs

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:47:36am
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freetoken  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:48:29am

re: #169 jaunte

I wonder if these problems at plants in the Houston area are due to damage from the floods two years ago, that either went unnoticed or under-repaired.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:49:15am

re: #172 freetoken

I wonder if these problems at plants in the Houston area are due to damage from the floods two years ago, that either went unnoticed or under-repaired.

Would not surprise me if that’s part of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:49:27am
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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:49:34am

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just what does Rick suggest that the Democrats do with the Puerto Rican voters (who can not vote in national elections) that are being “handed to them”?

He’s thinking all of the Puerto Ricans in Florida that voted for Trump just need to be reminded in campaign speeches, ads, etc. the Democrats will take care of PR unlike the Republicans and that will turn the state.

Rick has always been mistaken thinking Trump is the only problem with the GOP. He is not, he came from out of their problems and I doubt Rick will ever own up to that.

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:49:43am

re: #172 freetoken

I think a large part of it is lax enforcement.

“…The facility is currently not compliant with the federal Clean Water Act. It’s been in violation of the Clean Water Act for seven of the last 12 quarters. It’s violated the Clean Air Act three times in the last 12 quarters. Environmental Protection Agency data shows the facility also violated the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act on Feb. 22, 2018. The RCRA regulates how facilities handle hazardous and non-hazardous solid waste.”

The Republican solution is usually to loosen the rules.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:50:08am

re: #175 ObserverArt

Rick has always been mistaken thinking Trump is the only problem with the GOP. He is not, he came from out of their problems and I doubt Rick will ever own up to that.

THIS.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:51:07am

re: #176 jaunte

I think a large part of it is lax enforcement.

Or maybe the company sees the fines as: “just the cost of doing business”.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:55:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:57:26am
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Mike Lamb  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:57:28am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

Your reminder that Rick Wilson may be anti-Trump but he is not your friend.

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I guess I’m not seeing what is problematic about his Tweets in this instance (even though I get that his political views don’t mesh with Dems).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:57:47am

re: #179 Charles Johnson

The Nazis were socialists! It’s right there in the name! Dur hur!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2019 • 10:58:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:00:46am
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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:01:06am

Texas lege currently debating legally protected discrimination.

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:01:24am

re: #163 Teukka

Foxtrot. Uniform. Charlie. Kilo.
Over.

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:01:38am
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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:02:53am

“I was just stoning the infidel.”
“Well ok then, as long as you were sincere.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:02:59am

This appears to be unrelated to whole NC 9th election fraud case

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:04:17am
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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:05:08am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

What’s going on in Houston area? Why these explosions so close to each other?

Capitalism.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:05:12am
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:05:29am

The cult of GOP

A Trump mutiny? Republican prospects warily eye 2020 presidential run
“We want to protect the integrity of the caucuses and give people the ability to make their case,” he said, referring to the balloting that kicks off the election season next February. But, Scheffler went on, there will be zero tolerance for any Republican who comes to Iowa and “starts bashing the president and his policies.”

“That,” he said, “will be dealt with.”

latimes.com

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:05:49am

re: #191 Skip Intro

Capitalism.

“I lubs the smel of friidumb in the marning!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:06:37am
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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:09:04am
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plansbandc  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:09:27am

Grossly unqualified & embarrassing is the Trump administration’s motto.

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:09:31am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:10:12am

re: #171 jaunte

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:11:52am

In Ohio, a six-week abortion ban is having a hearing right now

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:12:38am

re: #197 plansbandc

Grossly unqualified & embarrassing is the Trump administration’s motto.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:14:29am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Ohio, a six-week abortion ban is having a hearing right now

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I wonder what the hearing would be like if only women were allowed to speak…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:16:57am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder what the hearing would be like if only women were allowed to speak…

well, the first speaker was a woman and she was no prize

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:18:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:19:55am

meanwhile in DC:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:23:26am
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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:24:42am
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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:25:12am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:27:45am

So under this Texas bill, if a guy at a restaurant refused to seat customers because they are Gay, that would be perfectly legal?

Isn’t this like Jim Crow for non straight people?

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:30:39am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s legal protection for religious bigots.

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:30:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:32:16am

re: #208 jaunte

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“People of faith…cannot practice their faith openly in the public square.”

I believe there is a quote in the bible addressing that very specific situation and the word is NO.

this is not about the here and now, but about eternity.

got that backwards, IMHO

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:34:23am

Carried upstairs.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:34:51am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

So under this Texas bill, if a guy at a restaurant refused to seat customers because they are Gay, that would be perfectly legal?

Isn’t this like Jim Crow for non straight people?

I’m guessing the bill has a carve our for racial discrimination, but the fact of the matter is that this is the exact same shit we heard to justify separate but equal. Fucking sickening. You hang your shingle to serve the public, you have to serve the fucking public. If you think that serving the public at large would interfere with your religious beliefs, then too goddamn bad. Go live in the woods on your own.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 2, 2019 • 11:47:30am

re: #181 Mike Lamb

I guess I’m not seeing what is problematic about his Tweets in this instance (even though I get that his political views don’t mesh with Dems).

Mostly it’s just him being a doom and gloom asshole by saying that the Democrats aren’t doing anything and predicting we won’t do anything to appeal to Continental US living Puerto Ricans one goddamned day after this blunder. He’s also ignoring the systemic voting rights violations in Florida and the 2018 House flip. But mostly he’s viewing politics through a cynical lens where minority voters are basically cast as idiots who need to be spoon fed.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 2, 2019 • 12:24:33pm

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

So under this Texas bill, if a guy at a restaurant refused to seat customers because they are look Gay, that would be perfectly legal?

Isn’t this like Jim Crow for non straight people?

upthread there was the example of a lawyer ‘refusing to serve” an interfaith couple

- does it depend on the kind of case? or just no interfaith couples?

- and, seriously since they used the word ‘serve’ does that mean this restaurant, like that lawyer, can refuse to seat interfaith couples?

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Old Liberal  Apr 2, 2019 • 12:56:35pm

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

So under this Texas bill, if a guy at a restaurant refused to seat customers because they are Gay, that would be perfectly legal?

Isn’t this like Jim Crow for non straight people?

Jesús never served sinners.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2019 • 12:25:16am

re: #211 Teukka

No badge, no gun, no handcuffs — and no clothes. None of that stopped an off-duty Swedish police officer from making an arrest after noticing that the man sitting next to him in a sauna was a fugitive.

Now there is the plot for a great porno…


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