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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:36:08am

blaming detention camp overcrowding and filth on “democrats” lacks even the usual measure of gop plausibility

denying that it exists and also trying to blame it on “democrats” strains it even further

declaring that the bad conditions are intended to discourage immigration, but that they don’t exist, but they are the fault of “democrats”, and believing all three, is a prodigy of doublethink that apparently 27% of american voters are perfectly capable of

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:43:13am
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Mescalero09  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:47:15am

CURSE WORDS

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:47:36am

re: #2 Dread Pirate

Awwww… It’s cute when they try to grow a soul.

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BigPapa  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:48:01am

I’ve only recently come to the realization that many of the most pious only use it as a justification for their depravity.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:48:02am

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BigPapa  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:49:28am

re: #3 Mescalero09

The play by play is as good as the crime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:50:11am

re: #2 Dread Pirate

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:51:38am

Proud Boys waiting for Senior Hours at the House of Schnitzel.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:51:48am

re: #2 Dread Pirate

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Mescalero09  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:52:00am

re: #7 BigPapa

The play by play is as good as the crime.

That gull was working that corner all day I suspect. Not his first rodeo.

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:03:41pm

re: #1 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

blaming detention camp overcrowding and filth on “democrats” lacks even the usual measure of gop plausibility

denying that it exists and also trying to blame it on “democrats” strains it even further

declaring that the bad conditions are intended to discourage immigration, but that they don’t exist, but they are the fault of “democrats”, and believing all three, is a prodigy of doublethink that apparently 27% of american voters are perfectly capable of

Their thinking pretty much goes like this: “Since Dems won’t fix the laws that let these people enter our country without immediately being sent back, we have no choice but to make things as horrible as possible for those that come here! We can’t just let them go, they’ll disappear and we’ll never find them again! So cramming them into increasingly smaller spaces is not our fault, it’s the Dems for not adopting our viewpoint that these people need to be kicked out!”

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:04:57pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:08:01pm

oops 2nd tweet

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:10:32pm

re: #13 Dread Pirate

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Gee I’m glad we have Trump in charge.//

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:11:25pm

It took a while, but some of the RC bishops are getting on board with the effort to stop the torture at the border:

BE GOLDEN: Do Unto Others•All Others…Be part of the movement that’s bringing “The Golden Rule” back to our community.

You are invited to join with the Archdiocese of Louisville for a Lights for Liberty Vigil to End Human Detention Camps. Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, President of the U S Conference of Catholic Bishops, and Bishop Joe Vásquez, Chairman of the USCCB Committee on Migration, are calling us to action because of our government’s inhumane treatment of our immigrant brothers and sisters:

“We join with our Holy Father- Pope Francis” in immense sadness, having seen the horrific images of Oscar Martinez and his daughter-“Angie Valeria” who drowned in the Rio Grande Valley while attempting to flee persecution and enter the United States. This image cries to heaven for justice. This image silences politics. Who can look on this picture and not see the results of the failures of all of us to find a humane and just solution to the immigration crisis? Sadly, this picture shows the daily plight of our brothers and sisters. Not only does their cry reach heaven. It reaches us. And it must now reach our federal government.”

To reach our federal government, the Archdiocese of Louisville invites you to attend…A Vigil to End Human Detention Camps. This event will feature music, local speakers impacted by our government’s immigration policies, a call to action and the lighting of candles and a few moments of silence to express our concern and solidarity with those detained in the inhumane conditions found on our southern border.

Sent from Gmail Mobile

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:13:14pm

Of course, to enforce this idea that there’s a “crisis” that can only be solved through draconian measures, the wingnuts also have to discount others facts.

Point out that better than 90% of asylum seekers appear for their hearings? “It’s not 100% because some know they’ll be sent back, so they go into hiding to avoid deportation!”

How about that the system is overburdened because more money is spent on housing “illegals” than on judges and counsel? “There wouldn’t be a shortage if laws didn’t tie their hands by giving ‘illegals’ so many protections!”

Bring up that many of the refugees come from failing democracies? “They need to go back where they came from and fix their problems! It’s not our fault they came from shitholes!”

US drug policies and history of supporting strongmen in the “War on Drugs”? “We gotta keep those drugs out of America! Now GTFO, I need another dose of Oxycontin.”

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wrenchwench  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:17:55pm

re: #14 Dread Pirate

oops 2nd tweet

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We can’t be frens with Kurds and Turks at the same time. Certain Turkish people don’t like it. To get back at us, they’re being frens with Russia.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:23:08pm

A friend on FB (same one who says, “Trump is a pig, but I like his policies”) posted this:

Mitch McConnell, “You know, once again I find myself in the same position as President Obama, we both oppose reparations, and both are the descendants of slave holders,”
Boom!

we

So, I asked him what he thought was the ‘Boom!’ moment. He, of course, didn’t have an explanation - “It’s just funny!”

Pretty sure he didn’t realize that MOST American blacks, especially those descended from slaves, had slaveholder ancestors. I posted an article from Henry Louis Gates, about ancestry.com and others’ DNA results on American blacks, showing an average ot 20-30% European ancestry, AND about 1 in 3 black men having a European-derived Y chromosome.

That last is staggering, because it actually UNDERrepresents the percentage of black men with a white male ancestor. You’d only have that with unbroken male to male to male descent. One female in that chain and your Y would come from somebody else.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:23:58pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

It took a while, but some of the RC bishops are getting on board with the effort to stop the torture at the border:

Some but not all. You continue to have Catholic bishops marching lockstep with their Republican pals.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:26:22pm

I saw something saying that Trump’s ICE raids may “hearten his base”, which really drives home how execrable they are - they’re heartened that he’s making America whiter.

Thanks, Stein voters! This is fine.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:26:57pm

re: #20 Joe Bacon 🌹

Some but not all. You continue to have Catholic bishops marching lockstep with their Republican pals.

Baby steps.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:28:04pm

re: #22 Decatur Deb

Baby steps.

Baby locksteps?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:33:38pm

re: #20 Joe Bacon 🌹

Some but not all. You continue to have Catholic bishops marching lockstep with their Republican pals.

Wife’s archbishop (Mobile) has been thunderously silent. She’s about 3 FaceBook posts from an auto da fe’.

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:34:19pm

re: #20 Joe Bacon 🌹

Some but not all. You continue to have Catholic bishops marching lockstep with their Republican pals.

Wonder why the Pope hasn’t called in Ambassador Calista Gingrich for a meeting?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:36:02pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Wife’s archbishop (Mobile) has been thunderously silent. She’s about 3 FaceBook posts from an auto da fe’.

Why do I have the nagging suspicion if those kids were white those Bishops would be screaming?

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:36:04pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw something saying that Trump’s ICE raids may “hearten his base”, which really drives home how execrable they are - they’re heartened that he’s making America whiter.

Thanks, Stein voters! This is fine.

Of course. That’s what the “crisis” really is about: The threat of “hordes” of brown people to the future of “white America.”

If a war broke out tomorrow in Eastern Europe and there were millions of white European refugees banging on our door, these same assholes worrying about the “crisis” at our Southern border would every bit as adamant that we have room enough for all those Europeans. They’d even be willing to overlook their “merit-based” BS in favor of taking in old folks and children by the bushel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:36:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:36:20pm

re: #25 Old Liberal

Wonder why the Pope hasn’t called in Ambassador Calista Gingrich for a meeting?

That’s a hell of a thing, isn’t it? Blow a married Speaker Of The House, then marry him after his second divorce, and you get to be Ambassador to the Vatican.

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:37:52pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As noted yesterday, the only interest these assholes have is in listening to the camp guards and their “struggle.” The people they’re keeping packed like livestock in a factory farm? “Oh, they’re doing fine, there’s no worry!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:38:03pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We spent no time listening to any of the brave young men who traveled hundreds of miles on foot, risking everything including their lives, to try to build a better life for their families, because, you know, they’re brown.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:39:16pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:39:30pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Wife’s archbishop (Mobile) has been thunderously silent. She’s about 3 FaceBook posts from an auto da fe’.

Auto da fe’? What’s an auto da fe’?

/

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:40:17pm

re: #26 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why do I have the nagging suspicion if those kids were white those Bishops would be screaming?

The US Catholic population is turning brown at a pretty fast pace. The integrating mechanism is the fact that parishes are rigidly geographic entities. You are born or move into your parish, you don’t select it.

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:40:40pm

re: #29 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s a hell of a thing, isn’t it? Blow a married Speaker Of The House, then marry him after his second divorce, and you get to be Ambassador to the Vatican.

With god all things are possible

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:40:55pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

Auto da fe’? What’s an auto da fe’?

/

Heretic on a stick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:41:29pm

re: #35 Old Liberal

With god utter shamelessness all things are possible

Fixed.

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:42:38pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

“We spent no time listening to any of the brave young men who traveled hundreds of miles on foot, risking everything including their lives, to try to build a better life for their families, because, you know, they’re brown.”

Of course they visited a men’s prison to reinforce the scary hordes of rapists meme

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:43:17pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Heretic on a stick.

Heretic, theretic, everywheretic tic.
Torquemada had a rack,
EEE! AY! EEE AY! Oooooooo….

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:45:02pm

Did a basic look into the way the camps were handled by the Reich during WWII. And one thing of note was that they were actually fairly high-turnover, particularly because the guards assigned to any duties involving executions tended to burn out quickly from emotional stress. The SS actually had to constantly monitor camp morale and pull men off guard duty if they felt it was getting too much for them. Surprisingly, they also tried to monitor for the exact opposite, namely guards who took too much pleasure in wanton cruelty and murder, removing them largely because most prisoners were viewed as vital wartime labor and unnecessary injury or execution was a drain on resources.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:45:04pm

re: #29 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s a hell of a thing, isn’t it? Blow a married Speaker Of The House, then marry him after his second divorce, and you get to be Ambassador to the Vatican.

I’m sure she already got a Papal Indulgence as a reward for bringing Tooty Frooty Newty into the fold!

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plansbandc  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:45:38pm

re: #3 Mescalero09

I guffawed.

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calochortus  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:46:24pm

Anyone know what the peak moment of perfection for western European culture was? Everyone has been complaining it’s in decline. Was it before the Romans got there? The Vikings? Maybe while they were burning witches? In granddaddy’s time?
I need a date that we can aim back towards.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:47:40pm

re: #43 calochortus

Anyone know what the peak moment of perfection for western European culture was? Everyone has been complaining it’s in decline. Was it before the Romans got there? The Vikings? Maybe while they were burning witches? In granddaddy’s time?
I need a date.

When the first Cro Magnon and Neanderthal had it off. It’s all been downhill since.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:47:41pm

re: #43 calochortus

Anyone know what the peak moment of perfection for western European culture was? Everyone has been complaining it’s in decline. Was it before the Romans got there? The Vikings? Maybe while they were burning witches? In granddaddy’s time?
I need a date.

1969

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:47:50pm

re: #43 calochortus

Anyone know what the peak moment of perfection for western European culture was? Everyone has been complaining it’s in decline. Was it before the Romans got there? The Vikings? Maybe while they were burning witches? In granddaddy’s time?
I need a date.

Probably when Mel Brooks sang about the Inquisition…

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:48:36pm

re: #43 calochortus

Anyone know what the peak moment of perfection for western European culture was? Everyone has been complaining it’s in decline. Was it before the Romans got there? The Vikings? Maybe while they were burning witches? In granddaddy’s time?
I need a date.

Depends who you ask. Just pack a lunch, because you’re in for a very long airing of grievances.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:49:48pm

re: #43 calochortus

Anyone know what the peak moment of perfection for western European culture was? Everyone has been complaining it’s in decline. Was it before the Romans got there? The Vikings? Maybe while they were burning witches? In granddaddy’s time?
I need a date.

Romans had organization, roads, technology, but they also had slavery and political oppression.

19th Century Europe saw the spread of democracy and massive technological process, but also colonialism.

I think that what they have constructed since WW2 has been admirable in most all respects.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:49:52pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

Auto da fe’? What’s an auto da fe’?

/

Somethin’ you oughtn’t a-do, but you do anyway.

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:51:21pm

Really, I’d say Western Europe started trending downhill after 1945, largely because the few countries that still had colonial holdings either lost them due to war-time considerations or the immediate post-war independence movements. Britain only really came out on top because they managed to turn most of their holdings into “dominions” before the locals could launch revolutions. The French? The 20th century was not kind to them…at all.

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plansbandc  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:52:30pm

This dog is way better than I am at this sport:

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calochortus  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:52:31pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #45 Decatur Deb

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

re: #47 Targetpractice

See? No agreement. We can’t move back to being lords of the universe unless we agree on when that was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:53:31pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Romans had organization, roads, technology, but they also had slavery and political oppression.(snip)

“All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:54:43pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Did a basic look into the way the camps were handled by the Reich during WWII. And one thing of note was that they were actually fairly high-turnover, particularly because the guards assigned to any duties involving executions tended to burn out quickly from emotional stress. The SS actually had to constantly monitor camp morale and pull men off guard duty if they felt it was getting too much for them. Surprisingly, they also tried to monitor for the exact opposite, namely guards who took too much pleasure in wanton cruelty and murder, removing them largely because most prisoners were viewed as vital wartime labor and unnecessary injury or execution was a drain on resources.

Once the Nazis committed to their labor/death camps, they went about it in a very German way - systematically, to maximize results. I’ve always thought this was one of the most horrifying things about the Third Reich, that they were not insane. They weren’t just ravening out-of-control murderers. Everything they did was rational, planned, even scientific.

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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:55:27pm

re: #43 calochortus

Anyone know what the peak moment of perfection for western European culture was? Everyone has been complaining it’s in decline. Was it before the Romans got there? The Vikings? Maybe while they were burning witches? In granddaddy’s time?
I need a date.

Each country had a different peak moment.

Which irritates the hell out of American racists, who seem to have trouble understanding that Spanish and French, Italian and Greek, German and Dutch, do not consider themselves to be the least bit interchangeable. Not in the same category. Centuries of shooting at each other and slitting each other’s throats.

Which ought to be obvious, seeing as how each has their very own super-identifiable language, cuisine, music, religion, visual arts, breed of dog, and every other possible criteria of a “culture”, but there you have it. Obvious doesn’t work for American racists.

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calochortus  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:56:09pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #50 Targetpractice

It was not actually a serious question, but it seems those people who are “concerned” about our perfect (white) culture being destroyed by brown people are going to have trouble with the fact that we’ve all come a long way since those selfsame brown people have influenced our culture.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:56:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:56:35pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Once the Nazis committed to their labor/death camps, they went about in a very German way - systematically, to maximize results. I’ve always thought this was one of the most horrifying things about the Third Reich, that they were not insane. They weren’t just ravening out-of-control murderers. Everything they did was rational, planned, even scientific.

I always think of that when wingnuts rattle on about the wonders of Western Civilization - it gave us democracy and the most ruthlessly efficient mass murder in world history.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:59:12pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mel Brooks sang about the Inquisition

Indeed.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:59:41pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Europe is still dealing with the aftershocks of WWI and WWII.

The expulsion of the Sudeten Germans at the end of the Second World War is still a source of occasional controversy here in Czech Republic from time to time. Not long ago, about one week ago actually, the widow of an expelled Sudeten German got back the family property - and that court decision (from a Czech court, no less) ignited a shitstorm of controversy.

There’s real fear (among Czechs) that one of these days, the Beneš Decrees are either going to be overtuned by the European Court of Justice or by the Czech Constitutional Court. And the fear is that could open the country to having to pay untold billions in restitution…..or hand back the property itself.

So the 20th century’s aftershocks are far from gone.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:59:59pm

Tell me I’m paranoid. PLEASE.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:01:08pm

re: #57 Chrysicat

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It is time to make clear to the Worker-bee SS that they need to worry about us, not an outside justice system. Time to start filling in names on the ICE/BP organization charts.

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wrenchwench  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:04:01pm

I was on a train back to Athens after touring the Peloponnese for a week, studying all about the various bits of civilization fighting the other bits within reach. A man returning to Athens after visiting his mother decided to practice his limited English with me, and we shared what we had each been doing last week. After my tale, he sighed and said something about the glorious Greek culture of old, ‘And now, we just fight each other.’
Somebody missed something, somewhere.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:06:28pm

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

Europe is still dealing with the aftershocks of WWI and WWII.

The expulsion of the Sudeten Germans at the end of the Second World War is still a source of occasional controversy here in Czech Republic from time to time. Not long ago, about one week ago actually, the widow of an expelled Sudeten German got back the family property - and that court decision (from a Czech court, no less) ignited a shitstorm of controversy.

There’s real fear (among Czechs) that one of these days, the Beneš Decrees are either going to be overtuned by the European Court of Justice or by the Czech Constitutional Court. And the fear is that could open the country to having to pay untold billions in restitution…..or hand back the property itself.

So the 20th century’s aftershocks are far from gone.

One of my German cousins was telling me about a fringe German right wing movement that rejects the German Republic, sees the US as occupiers, & only accepts the old empire as legitimate. Would be a great Vice documentary imo. The more I learn about the World Wars, the more I abhor modern nationalism.

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plansbandc  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:09:45pm

This is fucking awesome.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:11:06pm

re: #65 plansbandc

This is fucking awesome.

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Oh my god, yes.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:12:40pm

re: #65 plansbandc

Just perfect.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:16:37pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Yeah, the “Reich Citizens’ Movement”, the Reichsbürgerbewegung.

en.wikipedia.org

Analogous to the Sovereign Citizen nutjobs in the US.

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Mescalero09  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:18:23pm

The Masters of Time and Space

Maceo Parker - Make it funky

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:20:34pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Once the Nazis committed to their labor/death camps, they went about it in a very German way - systematically, to maximize results. I’ve always thought this was one of the most horrifying things about the Third Reich, that they were not insane. They weren’t just ravening out-of-control murderers. Everything they did was rational, planned, even scientific.

This is streaming now on Netflix, and probably Prime. There are lessons…

The Photographer of Mauthausen
distractify.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:20:38pm

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, the “Reich Citizens’ Movement”, the Reichsbürgerbewegung.

en.wikipedia.org

Analogous to the Sovereign Citizen nutjobs in the US.

Yeah. Great analogy. I was telling her about the CSA nutters. She’s been to the US but to Michigan and Ann Arbor at that. Was happy to discover she and her family are small letter l- liberal. Her father’s great great grandmother and mine were sisters. Mine left in 1882 with my Great Grandfather who was a child at the time.

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ericblair  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:24:13pm

re: #57 Chrysicat

The trial at the Hague is gonna be lit af

I don’t think this is the case. The US isn’t a signatory to the International Criminal Court, and in any case it’s really only for those accused of international crimes that couldn’t be prosecuted in their own country for some reason or another.

And as a plug for The Hague, it’s worth a visit. It’s the working capital of the Netherlands: it’s got nice beaches, the Girl with the Pearl Earring, and it’s got a very impressive car museum (the Louwman Museum). The traffic sucks, but what else is new.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:28:40pm
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steve_davis  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:29:44pm

re: #2 Dread Pirate

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that is what a man does with his arms when he is terrified of accepting what he is seeing. you never see a man with his arms like that unless he is completely rejecting the thing he is experiencing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:35:16pm

re: #74 steve_davis

That’s why it’s one of Trumps favorite poses.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:37:06pm

Also: ICE raids begin tomorrow.

Get ready for a shitshow.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:37:52pm

re: #72 ericblair

I don’t think this is the case. The US isn’t a signatory to the International Criminal Court, and in any case it’s really only for those accused of international crimes that couldn’t be prosecuted in their own country for some reason or another.

And as a plug for The Hague, it’s worth a visit. It’s got nice beaches, the Girl with the Pearl Earring, and it’s got a very impressive car museum (the Louwman Museum). The traffic sucks, but what else is new.

Like I said in the tweet: I really don’t think it matters that the US isn’t currently a signatory because I think Trump has put himself in a position where if he’s re-elected, they almost have to fight and lose WWIII, at which point any pre-war law won’t have the force binding two sheets of graphite.

And if you really think that either “accused of international crimes” or “can’t be prosecuted in their own country” doesn’t apply to ICEstapo, I’d love for you to tell me how they’ll ever be tried for crimes against humanity by this country.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:38:39pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Also: ICE raids begin tomorrow.

Get ready for a shitshow.

I’d actually heard they began today and that there was a failed one in the Bronx already—or was it Brooklyn?—according to MSNBC.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:39:19pm

Good night; have fun, Lizards.

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steve_davis  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:39:39pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Did a basic look into the way the camps were handled by the Reich during WWII. And one thing of note was that they were actually fairly high-turnover, particularly because the guards assigned to any duties involving executions tended to burn out quickly from emotional stress. The SS actually had to constantly monitor camp morale and pull men off guard duty if they felt it was getting too much for them. Surprisingly, they also tried to monitor for the exact opposite, namely guards who took too much pleasure in wanton cruelty and murder, removing them largely because most prisoners were viewed as vital wartime labor and unnecessary injury or execution was a drain on resources.

hitler kept vital trains of supplies and men from reaching the western campaign in order to prioritize jews heading east. camp commandants may have removed aggressive guards for reasons having to do with unit cohesion, but I’d doubt it was third reich policy.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:39:53pm

re: #78 Chrysicat

I’d actually heard they began today and that there was a failed one in the Bronx already—or was it Brooklyn?—according to MSNBC.

Espontaneos.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:40:39pm

re: #78 Chrysicat

I’d actually heard they began today and that there was a failed one in the Bronx already—or was it Brooklyn?—according to MSNBC.

“While rank-and-file cops have been given strict orders not to assist with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids expected to take place early Sunday, at least one police union leader said cops should chip in and protect ICE agents if they are in danger.”

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steve_davis  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:45:44pm

re: #57 Chrysicat

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I swear to God, my wet dream is a world where these bastards are at the hague and the judge is reading sentences: “Death by hanging, death by hanging, for extreme acts of callousness resulting in mass deaths, death by torture….” Sadly, or possibly for the best, we do not live in my world.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:46:31pm
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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:52:48pm

re: #80 steve_davis

hitler kept vital trains of supplies and men from reaching the western campaign in order to prioritize jews heading east. camp commandants may have removed aggressive guards for reasons having to do with unit cohesion, but I’d doubt it was third reich policy.

This is one of the reasons FDR refused to bomb the camps or even the rail lines; he pretended to be unaware of them, told a delegation of Jewish leaders that they were drama queens and shouldn’t believe the reports they’d heard. But really… it was because it kept the Nazis partially distracted from the Western Front.

(it later came out that the OSS had all kinds of proof, including aerial photographs, pretty early on, and FDR’s lie was thus super-obvious. This is why my dad always hated FDR, and loved Eisenhower. It’s why I was raised in a Republican household.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:55:15pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Really, I’d say Western Europe started trending downhill after 1945, largely because the few countries that still had colonial holdings either lost them due to war-time considerations or the immediate post-war independence movements. Britain only really came out on top because they managed to turn most of their holdings into “dominions” before the locals could launch revolutions. The French? The 20th century was not kind to them…at all.

Since 1945 most European nations have come to have democracy, relatively stable economic growth without oppressive poverty and no major wars save the Balkan wars of the early 90’s.

I would call that a pretty good record.

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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:55:16pm

re: #83 steve_davis

I swear to God, my wet dream is a world where these bastards are at the hague and the judge is reading sentences: “Death by hanging, death by hanging, for extreme acts of callousness resulting in mass deaths, death by torture….” Sadly, or possibly for the best, we do not live in my world.

I’d much prefer we have a moral government here in the future, and do our own laundry. It would be embarrassing as hell if the rest of the world has to do it for us.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:56:25pm

re: #87 sagehen

I’d much prefer we have a moral government here in the future, and do our own laundry. It would be embarrassing as hell if the rest of the world has to do it for us.

We’ve got 15 months to make that possible.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:58:21pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:59:26pm

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

Europe is still dealing with the aftershocks of WWI and WWII.

So the 20th century’s aftershocks are far from gone.

I mentioned that I do translations for a former German Aristocrat who lost all his property to the Soviets directly after WW2. After reunification, it was ruled that property confiscated by the GDR would be recompensed but anything seized by Soviet authorities was lost and gone forever.

The fellow has been fighting this ruling and lost at every instance, and is now turning into a raving freier Reichsbürger, questioning the very legitimacy of the German State.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:02:00pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Two words: Fire Hazard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:02:20pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

One of my German cousins was telling me about a fringe German right wing movement that rejects the German Republic, sees the US as occupiers, & only accepts the old empire as legitimate. Would be a great Vice documentary imo. The more I learn about the World Wars, the more I abhor modern nationalism.

Those freie Reichsbürger again. Yes, the German state as we know it was formed under unique and somewhat historically unprecedented conditions, being comprised of three Allied Zones of Occupation (which later simply annexed the Eastern Zone)

But to deny its legitimacy as a sovereign state is just a bunch of idiot right-wing bufoonnery

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:09:19pm
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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:09:20pm

re: #84 Chrysicat

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Her response, which is being scrubbed unless you specifically click “let me see offensive replies”, was “God willing. Yes.”

I’m completely unsurprised that I was right in pegging her as blaming the Dems inasmuch as “there should be no need for konzentrationläger, because the die Ausländere irgendwo anders sein sollen”.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:10:40pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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Mescalero09  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:11:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:14:01pm

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those freie Reichsbürger again. Yes, the German state as we know it was formed under unique and somewhat historically unprecedented conditions, being comprised of three Allied Zones of Occupation (which later simply annexed the Eastern Zone)

But to deny its legitimacy as a sovereign state is just a bunch of idiot right-wing bufoonnery

For sure. But yeah to deny the legitimacy is just absurd. Right wingers are weird fuckers though.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:14:22pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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This is why she’s better than Bernie. Reason #4446765.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:14:27pm

I felt this

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plansbandc  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:15:40pm

I cannot stress enough how good a President Elizabeth Warren would be. And yet, there’s no way this country will elect her.

It hurts my heart.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:16:08pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

I felt this

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Oh, that’s a broken ankle. Still a better price to pay for attempted “Klout” than the ones the #TamperingChallenge crew will be paying, though.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:17:08pm

re: #100 plansbandc

I cannot stress enough how good a President Elizabeth Warren would be. And yet, there’s no way this country will elect her.

It hurts my heart.

I hear ya.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:22:00pm

re: #100 plansbandc

I cannot stress enough how good a President Elizabeth Warren would be. And yet, there’s no way this country will elect her.

It hurts my heart.

at least make sure she gets a role in the next administration

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:36:16pm

re: #85 sagehen

This is one of the reasons FDR refused to bomb the camps or even the rail lines; he pretended to be unaware of them, told a delegation of Jewish leaders that they were drama queens and shouldn’t believe the reports they’d heard. But really… it was because it kept the Nazis partially distracted from the Western Front.

(it later came out that the OSS had all kinds of proof, including aerial photographs, pretty early on, and FDR’s lie was thus super-obvious. This is why my dad always hated FDR, and loved Eisenhower. It’s why I was raised in a Republican household.)

The #1 reason why I respect Ike is because he insisted on going into those camps and seeing the atrocities. Ike was counseled not to do that but he told those folks to shove it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:37:19pm

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

at least make sure she gets a role in the next administration

I don’t know if that will really come about.

At least from looking at my Facebook timeline, seems that the Trumper contingent isn’t going anywhere.

Yet the purity ponies that claim to be “Democrat”, at least the ones I come across online, seem quite willing to just not vote if their favorite (mostly Bernie) is not nominated.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:37:45pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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I can see it now…they do a remake that combines The Towering Inferno with The Swarm…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:40:39pm

uh…this ain’t reassuring…

When the magnitude 7.1 earthquake ruptured the earth in the Mojave Desert, it packed the energy of 45 nuclear bombs of the type that fell on Hiroshima.

ktla.com

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plansbandc  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:42:08pm

I’m pretty certain through cheating and whatever horseshit, that the fat orange tyrant is going to get another term. And when he does, we’re done. I have zero optimism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:43:03pm

re: #108 plansbandc

I’m pretty certain through cheating and whatever horseshit, that the fat orange tyrant is going to get another term. And when he does, we’re done. I have zero optimism.

He still has a lot of aces up his sleeve…he has not been backed far enough into a corner yet to feel the need to pull them out, and that is scary

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:47:40pm

re: #108 plansbandc

I’m pretty certain through cheating and whatever horseshit, that the fat orange tyrant is going to get another term. And when he does, we’re done. I have zero optimism.

I don’t know that any cheating will be necessary. Americans will vote for the second term enthusiastically.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:49:18pm

re: #110 Renaissance_Man

I don’t know that any cheating will be necessary. Americans will vote for the second term enthusiastically.

No doubt the MAGATS will crawl over broken glass to get to the ballot box for their God. We have to whip up everyone else to get their butts to the polls!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:49:57pm

Hey cool, John Hodgman liked my termite joke.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:50:06pm

re: #110 Renaissance_Man

I don’t know that any cheating will be necessary. Americans will vote for the second term enthusiastically.

“I don’t like Trump but I will vote for him because of the economy.”

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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:50:14pm

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

The #1 reason why I respect Ike is because he insisted on going into those camps and seeing the atrocities. Ike was counseled not to do that but he told those folks to shove it.

Not just going into those camps himself; he rounded up all the Germans who lived within 15 miles and made them march past it and see for themselves too. He also insisted on extensive documentation; film, photographs, ledgers and schedules from the camp offices, etc.

He knew even then there’d be people wanting to deny it ever happened, people who’d want to pretend it was Jewish propaganda. He made absolutely certain there’d be mountains of proof.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:50:18pm

I feel so validated now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:51:02pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Hey cool, John Hodgman liked my termite joke.

You have arrove.

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ThomasLite  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:51:09pm

re: #107 Joe Bacon 🌹

uh…this ain’t reassuring…

When the magnitude 7.1 earthquake ruptured the earth in the Mojave Desert, it packed the energy of 45 nuclear bombs of the type that fell on Hiroshima.

ktla.com

Okay, so that sort of bullshit comparison really just doesn’t mean much. A club sandwich has something like double the energy available for the same weight that a block of semtex has, the semtex just releases it really quickly when tickled just the right way.
Same here. There’s going to be a *lot* of energy pent up in two really big bits of the Earth’s crust straining against each other - over a good couple hundred miles, and released in many seconds, rather than the fraction of a second of a nuclear weapon.

It’s just bad, sensational bullshit reporting that doesn’t actually mean anything.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:51:11pm

re: #108 plansbandc

I’m pretty certain through cheating and whatever horseshit, that the fat orange tyrant is going to get another term. And when he does, we’re done. I have zero optimism.

Our chances are slightly better than 50-50, allowing for a lot of ratfuckery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:54:09pm

re: #114 sagehen

Not just going into those camps himself; he rounded up all the Germans who lived within 15 miles and made them march past it and see for themselves too. He also insisted on extensive documentation; film, photographs, ledgers and schedules from the camp offices, etc.

He knew even then there’d be people wanting to deny it ever happened, people who’d want to pretend it was Jewish propaganda. He made absolutely certain there’d be mountains of proof.

and even with the proof, we still have an entire Denial Industry

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plansbandc  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:54:33pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Thank you so damn much for this site. You and the great people who populate it have helped me deal with the hell that is politics in this country. I am so happy to be a part of this sanity. Thank you Charles. Thank you so much.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:56:25pm

re: #120 plansbandc

Thank you so damn much for this site. You and the great people who populate it have helped me deal with the hell that is politics in this country. I am so happy to be a part of this sanity. Thank you Charles. Thank you so much.

I came here back when the place was a lot more conservative, but even then it was a place where you could find sane conservatives to argue with.

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stpaulbear  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:06:13pm

re: #100 plansbandc

I cannot stress enough how good a President Elizabeth Warren would be. And yet, there’s no way this country will elect her.

It hurts my heart.

Here’s another good thing about Elizabeth Warren. She’s helping local candidates.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:12:49pm

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

“I don’t like Trump but I will vote for him because of the economy.”

There may be more of these people than we’d like. Their 401(k)s are doing well and Trump constantly boasts that he alone is the source of the continued stock market rise. Their only retirement funds are through the market since traditional pensions are obsolete. As Carville said in 1992, “It’s the economy, stupid”. The fact that the continued healthy economy is due to policies implemented during the Obama years is irrelevant. It’s what’s happening now that informs voters decisions.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:14:57pm

re: #120 plansbandc

Thank you so damn much for this site. You and the great people who populate it have helped me deal with the hell that is politics in this country. I am so happy to be a part of this sanity. Thank you Charles. Thank you so much.

You’re very welcome, thanks for your support!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:15:33pm

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I came here back when the place was a lot more conservative, but even then it was a place where you could find sane conservatives to argue with.

One of the reasons is because I’m a real asshole when it comes to trolls, racists, etc. Or so they tell me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:17:13pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

One of the reasons is because I’m a real asshole when it comes to trolls, racists, etc. Or so they tell me.

yes, you even threatened to kick me out when I got too hyperbolic at one point

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plansbandc  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:21:15pm

It’s raining!!! YESSSSS

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Mescalero09  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:31:01pm
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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:37:55pm
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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:40:26pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, DangerMan!!!!

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Got it thanks!

I was out digging and bailing in the poolpond project all day

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:44:02pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:45:47pm

re: #5 BigPapa

I’ve only recently come to the realization that many of the most pious only use it as a justification for their depravity.

The Lord uses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord.

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stpaulbear  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:45:53pm

I’ve got a lump in the pit of my stomach. Yesterday afternoon I noticed that water was draining very slowly out of my basement laundry sink. The last time I had this problem was back in 2006.

The drainage sewers in my very old neighborhood are carved into the bedrock under the city. At the edge of my property is a drill hole that goes down about 30 feet through the bedrock and connects to an individual tunnel that then connects to the main sewer tunnel under the middle of the street. The drill hole doesn’t have a liner once it’s below the frost line. It’s just raw bedrock. At some point in 2006, a piece of stone fell over and almost completely blocked the drill hole.

The city of St. Paul has a policy that if a drill hole is damaged, it must be replaced with a new drill hole. The city said that the cost to have this done is around $20,000 (in 2006). When I told them I didn’t have that kind of money, they told me that the city offered low-cost financing (which didn’t make things any better).

The sewer company that came out told me that they would have brought their drill out to my house except that if they were caught by a city inspector, he’d be shut down and I’d have to get the new drill hole. Instead, the sewer company bashed the rock with a metal rod until they’s gotten the hole about 50% clear. Everything had seemed fine until yesterday.

I’ve always though of it as a ticking time bomb and have often considered selling the house because of it. I’m hoping that when the same sewer company comes out next Monday that they can find a way to open it up again. This just sucks bigly.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:50:07pm

re: #131 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is so cool the way the tectonic plates are outlined.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:51:46pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:52:16pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They knew what they were getting into when they took the job

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John Hughes  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:56:34pm

re: #13 Dread Pirate

You piss on Turkey and you’re surprised they kick back?

The only real question is who is a bigger threat to NATO, Erdogan or Trump?

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:04:30pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:08:20pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Yes, I like underage girls but not THAT underage. I’m not one of THOSE guys.”

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:10:07pm
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Alephnaught  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:10:20pm

Charles, I’m unable to access this site from my phone because of some rogue advert, which, when I load a page, redirects my phone to loompasplace (dot) com with the fake alert, overlaid over the LGF page:

Congratulations!

You have a chance to get a special reward!

[Close]

… and of course, if you select “Close” (or indeed, anywhere), it takes the browser to the advert landing page, and the only way you can get out of it is going back the LGF home page.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:11:45pm

re: #141 Alephnaught

You might need to clear your browser data and start fresh.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:19:21pm

re: #141 Alephnaught

Charles, I’m unable to access this site from my phone because of some rogue advert, which, when I load a page, redirects my phone to loompasplace (dot) com with the fake alert, overlaid over the LGF page:

… and of course, if you select “Close” (or indeed, anywhere), it takes the browser to the advert landing page, and the only way you can get out of it is going back the LGF home page.

Ugh, sorry. I’m only using the most reputable ad servers but this stuff still keeps slipping through their approval process. The spammers deliberately make it hard to track down where they’re coming from, but our ad servers are usually pretty quick at finding and blocking them.

I can report it to Google Adsense, but that’s a fairly useless endeavor.

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:22:20pm
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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:31:48pm

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:35:39pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:37:36pm

re: #146 jaunte

Clearly it’s time to turn New York off and back on again.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:40:13pm

re: #146 jaunte

This will be ugly…… Prolly an underground switching vault
Or a cyber-attack on the grid. Closing the wrong tie-breakers can cause major issues.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:42:59pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Our chances are slightly better than 50-50, allowing for a lot of ratfuckery.

Second prize is both houses of Congress, which would at least contain the damage.

But I’m not going with the 50-50. We’re way too far out to have a good idea what the odds are. Just keep plugging away with whatever you can do and hope for a good outcome (Mouse tells us Nebraska is now a swing state.)

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:49:11pm

re: #146 jaunte

Yup. Blackout reported in Midtown Manhattan, with more than 27,000 customers affected, including major hotels, Broadway, and other attractions.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:49:18pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:52:55pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:53:33pm

re: #150 lawhawk

Yes. NYC has a power outage. It is mentioned on yahoo news. I hope it does not spread. news.yahoo.com

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:56:44pm

re: #153 PhillyPretzel

It’s probably a substation issue.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:59:40pm

re: #154 lawhawk

Yes. It looks like that. Well PECO will be happy to help Con-Ed get back online.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:59:41pm

re: #154 lawhawk

And most of them are underground.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:01:14pm

ABC News (Channel 7): No official word on what has caused the power outage, but there are reports of a transformer fire at 64th street and West End Avenue.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:04:04pm

re: #152 Dread Pirate

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It doesn’t “feed perceptions”, it “exposes the fact” that this admin is chaos.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:11:34pm
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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:15:10pm

re: #152 Dread Pirate

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:21:18pm

re: #160 lawhawk

That, and Trump surrounds himself with corrupt, ass kissing yes men.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:22:38pm
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jaunte  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:26:26pm
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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:26:35pm

re: #162 Dread Pirate

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:36:10pm

re: #1 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

blaming detention camp overcrowding and filth on “democrats” lacks even the usual measure of gop plausibility

denying that it exists and also trying to blame it on “democrats” strains it even further

declaring that the bad conditions are intended to discourage immigration, but that they don’t exist, but they are the fault of “democrats”, and believing all three, is a prodigy of doublethink that apparently 27% of american voters are perfectly capable of

They don’t give it shit, so any excuse will do, no matter how little sense it makes.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:42:01pm

This is kind of funny because my wife and I just saw “Yesterday” this afternoon and because we don’t live in Manhattan and aren’t affected.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:43:26pm

Of course its all about the theater

Former ICE chief says raids announced for political gain, endangering migrants, agents
“I think it’s frankly inexcusable to promote this operation before it happens,” said John Sandweg, former acting director of the agency.
nbcnews.com

John Sandweg, who worked for the Department of Homeland Security from 2009 to 2014, including a stint as acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, was critical of the Trump administration’s continued broadcasting of Sunday’s ICE enforcement action against an estimated 2,000 families with members said to be the subject of deportation orders.

Sandweg said in an interview Friday that the announcements were for political gain and could endanger law enforcement agents, cause felons to hide and discourage immigrants from reporting criminals.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:51:51pm

re: #141 Alephnaught

I find that an ad blocker fixes that problem for me.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:53:32pm

re: #165 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Why would she vote for the man who raped her?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:56:07pm

re: #100 plansbandc

I cannot stress enough how good a President Elizabeth Warren would be. And yet, there’s no way this country will elect her.

It hurts my heart.

Don’t be so sure of that.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:56:12pm
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MsJ  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:56:23pm

re: #169 Patricia Kayden

Why would she vote for the man who raped her?

Conservative logic. As in they have no ability to think logically.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:57:34pm

re: #170 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Don’t be so sure of that.

I love all of you guys but you’re not listened to the women here.

America won’t elect a woman.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:59:28pm

re: #108 plansbandc

I’m pretty certain through cheating and whatever horseshit, that the fat orange tyrant is going to get another term. And when he does, we’re done. I have zero optimism.

That is a defeatist attitude. If we give up now, of course he’ll win. Lots of reason to think he won’t.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:01:01pm
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jaunte  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:01:48pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:02:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:02:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:03:41pm
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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:06:50pm

Already reported this guy for responses he’d dumped earlier (or maybe later; I hate modern Twitter lack-of-timeline) on in the thread (which I’m not going to tell to his face, because I know he’d go looking for stuff he can feed to TwitterCop in order to try to get me banned in return), but I had to publicly call this one out instead just in case my telling a little birdie isn’t enough:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:09:19pm

re: #166 Barefoot Grin

This is kind of funny because my wife and I just saw “Yesterday” this afternoon and because we don’t live in Manhattan and aren’t affected.

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I’m sitting in a park watching a band wearing funny bowl cup wigs and black suits singing some weird song about a yellow submarine.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:12:50pm

re: #173 MsJ

I love all of you guys but you’re not listened to the women here.

America won’t elect a woman.

In 2008 I worried America wouldn’t elect a black man.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:13:01pm

..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:13:19pm
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Sea Mexican  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:14:19pm

Next week will be interesting in Puerto Rico. We started this week with the #TelegramGate:

On Tuesday morning, all hell broke loose on Puerto Rican social media when printed screenshots of a Telegram group chat that included governor Ricardo Rosselló and his inner circle began circulating. With only 11 out of the 889 pages leaked, the public got merely a glimpse of how top members of the Rosselló administration communicate.

Those 11 pages were enough to create a big scandal. These included negative expressions towards a NYC councilwoman and a call for organizing trolls to attack her, coordinating public travels to create difficulties to other members of his own cabinet, and a slew of misogynistic, homophobic and plain bullying comments, These were followed by another set of pages that amplified the scandal.

And today all the pages from the infamous Telegram chat were released. This had lead to many of those in the chat to leave their positions in and/or contracts with the government, others were fired, and Ricky Rossello is trying to resists calls for his resignations from just about everyone.

And that’s ignoring the major corruption scandal involving several members of the current government.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:19:13pm

re: #185 Sea Mexican

Is that the same PR governor who praised Trump’s handling of Hurricane Maria? Not surprised at all by this scandal.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:19:30pm

re: #173 MsJ

I love all of you guys but you’re not listened to the women here.

America won’t elect a woman.

America wouldn’t elect a black man.

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wrenchwench  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:21:55pm

re: #173 MsJ

I love all of you guys but you’re not listened to the women here.

America won’t elect a woman.

3 million voters are not being listened to. We have some bureaucracy to fix. It shall be done. It has already taken a lot of time.

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Sea Mexican  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:23:33pm

re: #186 Patricia Kayden

Is that the same PR governor who praised Trump’s handling of Hurricane Maria? Not surprised at all by this scandal.

Yes, the same one.

It’s even less surprising to some of us. His father, Pedro Rossello, had what was considered at the time the most corrupt cabinet in PR history, with over 40 members going to jail. Many of his cabinet members had connections with his father’s administration.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:24:38pm

re: #182 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In 2008 I worried America wouldn’t elect a black man.

A black MAN with exceptional charisma.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:31:43pm

re: #190 MsJ

A black MAN with exceptional charisma.

Only a fluke kept Clinton from winning in 2016. If Comey hadn’t written that damn letter, I think she would’ve won. Next year, no-one is taking victory for granted, and we know the stakes now.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:49:36pm

re: #190 MsJ

A black MAN with exceptional charisma.

A black man with a Muslim sounding name whose candidacy was derided and opposed by a lot of oldschool lizards, and who ran against a white Republican war hero.

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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:51:17pm

re: #154 lawhawk

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It’s probably a substation issue.

The #28 flower on that map is right on my building. We got power back 10 minutes ago!!! So exciting to have electricity again.


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