Gilroy Garlic Festival: Another Mass Shooting by a White Supremacist

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In America’s latest incident of horrific gun violence, it turns out that the 19-year old gunman who killed three people and wounded at least a dozen at the Gilroy Garlic Festival yesterday was a white supremacist.

Santino William Legan, who was shot dead by police Sunday before he could do more damage, posted online about an 1890 racist manifesto, “Might is Right or The Survival of the Fittest,” NBC News confirmed.

“Read Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard,” Legan posted on his Instagram page. He then used a slurs against mixed-race people and misogynistic descriptions of white Silicon Valley workers, complaining about “hordes” of them “overcrowding” towns.

Redbeard, which was a pseudonym, argued that only strength and violence determined what is morally right. The work, which is filled with misogynistic and anti-Semitic rhetoric, is a staple among neo-Nazis and white supremacists on extremist sites.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 29, 2019 • 4:45:50pm

Another teen radicalized by an extremist website, I’d bet money on it. Where else would he have heard of this book? I’ve never heard of it before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 4:48:33pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 29, 2019 • 4:51:02pm

Move over, Equifax - It’s Capital One’s time in the barell….

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2019 • 4:53:53pm

Motivations with a hint of racially tinged happenstance.

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mmmirele  Jul 29, 2019 • 4:54:36pm

re: #3 Eric The Fruit Bat

Move over, Equifax - It’s Capital One’s time in the barell….

Can some other bank step up for its turn in the financial barrel? We’re coming up on three years in the barrel.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2019 • 4:54:55pm

So, another weakling who thinks that by killing people he became strong. ‘Like evolution says.’

It is not the strongest of the species that survives but the one most adaptable to change. - Charles Darwin

This asshole couldn’t adapt and now he is extinct.

Pity the rest of his ignorant ilk are still around,

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 4:57:51pm
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plansbandc  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:06:11pm
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Kilroy was here  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:08:13pm

Another bit of gold from twitter…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:08:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:08:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:14:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:17:15pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If Obama did this, it would be proof he wanted Sharia Law. Trump does it and not a breath from the Pamela Gellers of the world.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:18:39pm

re: #3 Eric The Fruit Bat

Move over, Equifax - It’s Capital One’s time in the barell….

It’s as though no matter how security I keep my personal account information, some bank will get hacked and my data will get into the wrong hands.

These companies think it’s the cost of doing business. For those hit with the data breaches, it’s their very financial futures that are harmed. That’s the problem.

Even the Equifax deal isn’t sufficient to compensate everyone harmed. If the money set aside isn’t sufficient to cover everyone seeking claims, everyone will see less than the $125 announced.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:19:12pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

If Obama did this, it would be proof he wanted Sharia Law. Trump does it and not a breath from the Pamela Gellers of the world.

I don’t know what Pam is saying and I don’t want to Google her blog or look her up on Twitter. Let her scream into the void.

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:20:19pm

re: #14 lawhawk

It’s as though no matter how security I keep my personal account information, some bank will get hacked and my data will get into the wrong hands.

These companies think it’s the cost of doing business. For those hit with the data breaches, it’s their very financial futures that are harmed. That’s the problem.

Even the Equifax deal isn’t sufficient to compensate everyone harmed. If the money set aside isn’t sufficient to cover everyone seeking claims, everyone will see less than the $125 announced.

We need Warren.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:20:56pm

re: #15 The Pie Overlord!

I don’t know what Pam is saying and I don’t want to Google her blog or look her up on Twitter. Let her scream into the void.

I don’t either. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of all the people who freaked out because Obama didn’t arrest the House of Saud on sight giving a pass to Trump when he enables them repeatedly.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:21:38pm

Another mass shooting. That was two this weekend - the other being in NYC. We know that the CA shooter was able to buy the assault weapon in Nevada, avoiding the more stringent laws in California. We know he was radicalized and had white supremacist views.

We know Trump peddles white supremacist claptrap.
We know Trump is a stochastic terrorist.

Trump remains profoundly silent about this latest mass shooting because the shooter is white and not Muslim or a minority or an illegal immigration. Only then would Trump tweet endlessly about how minorities and illegals are killing Americans and that it has to stop - with a wall or stopping Muslims from coming here.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:24:58pm
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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:25:37pm

re: #14 lawhawk

It’s as though no matter how security I keep my personal account information, some bank will get hacked and my data will get into the wrong hands.

These companies think it’s the cost of doing business. For those hit with the data breaches, it’s their very financial futures that are harmed. That’s the problem.

Even the Equifax deal isn’t sufficient to compensate everyone harmed. If the money set aside isn’t sufficient to cover everyone seeking claims, everyone will see less than the $125 announced.

The $125 isn’t just a joke, it’s a slap in the face. And yes, I’m one of the people “eligible” for this pittance.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:26:16pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wish the media would just acknowledge that no Republicans “stood up” to Trump, they voted for resolutions they knew would not survive a veto so they’d have a vote they could use to insulate themselves next year from accusations of being Donny’s puppets.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:29:32pm
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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:31:42pm

Who’s surprised?

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:32:30pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

I wish the media would just acknowledge that no Republicans “stood up” to Trump, they voted for resolutions they knew would not survive a veto so they’d have a vote they could use to insulate themselves next year from accusations of being Donny’s puppets.

Selling nukes to the people who attacked us on 9/11.

How’s that for optics?

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:35:14pm

re: #24 MsJ

Selling nukes to the people who attacked us on 9/11.

How’s that for optics?

Hey now, didn’t you know? It was Iraq that attacked us on 9/11…or was it Iran? Either way, the Saudis are totally our bestest buds in the region! Dear Leader has said so!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:36:25pm
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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:37:22pm

re: #24 MsJ

Trump and the Saudis:

Push to give Saudis nuclear reactors.
Push to give Saudis munitions factory to build weapons they’re using in Yemen conflict; they aren’t just going to buy from American factories, but would build them in Saudi Arabia - jobs that Americans can’t get thanks to Trump.

In both cases, the Saudi regime isn’t trustworthy or sturdy enough against rebels or insurgencies. They exported extremists when things got too hot for them - al Qaeda being but one of those groups. Now, why would a terror group go elsewhere when they could infiltrate or capture nuclear materials and/or munitions built at factory in Saudi Arabia. Trump makes things more dangerous for the US. Again.

It’s his thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:38:28pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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Great character witness.//

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:39:26pm

re: #23 MsJ

Who’s surprised?

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Evil assholes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:39:48pm

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Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:40:20pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Whatever it was, it’s already gone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:41:21pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

Whatever it was, it’s already gone.

Trump did some pardons. One was for a Kentucky guy with weapons convictions…pardoned because he has “good character”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:41:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:43:22pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah this is crap. He wasn’t a kid. When I was 19, I had finished a year of community college. Not as mature as I am now but I’m more mature now than I was when I was 29 too.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:43:41pm

re: #27 lawhawk

Trump and the Saudis:

Push to give Saudis nuclear reactors.
Push to give Saudis munitions factory to build weapons they’re using in Yemen conflict; they aren’t just going to buy from American factories, but would build them in Saudi Arabia - jobs that Americans can’t get thanks to Trump.

In both cases, the Saudi regime isn’t trustworthy or sturdy enough against rebels or insurgencies. They exported extremists when things got too hot for them - al Qaeda being but one of those groups. Now, why would a terror group go elsewhere when they could infiltrate or capture nuclear materials and/or munitions built at factory in Saudi Arabia. Trump makes things more dangerous for the US. Again.

It’s his thing.

I’m gonna take a wild guess that the Saudis played him like a fool by “suggesting” that if they couldn’t make the sale with the US, they’d happily take their money to those that would sell to them *couRussiagh*. And like the used car salesman that he is, he found that his former hardline stance was “flexible.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:45:35pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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You and others must really be getting under Matt’s skin if he has to answer to this by grabbing a character witness of…questionable character.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:54:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:56:12pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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What gets me is Republican Congressmen and women keep on getting more and more hateful and wacko.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:56:53pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Donald Trump is 74 years old and he has no impulse control.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:58:11pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 29, 2019 • 5:59:41pm

That lime coconut scent really sucks.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:00:12pm

re: #40 The Pie Overlord!

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On the same day said paedophile decides to go to the net to defend his paedophilia by suggesting that the laws need to be “updated.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:02:26pm

re: #41 The Pie Overlord!

That lime coconut scent really sucks.

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This really isn’t surprising, both hotels I’ve worked at changed to such within the past two years. It’s a bit of a pain if housekeeping isn’t diligent or a guest goes crazy with how much they use at a time, but it also means families that decide to pack their rooms like clown cars aren’t constantly calling the front desk to beg for more mini-bottles.

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mmmirele  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:05:48pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Charles, I thought Dersh said he didn’t have access to a computer. What about the one in his pocket…oh wait.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:05:50pm

re: #41 The Pie Overlord!

That lime coconut scent really sucks.

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I love it, myself. And there’s enough to actually wash my super thick hair.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:10:11pm

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mmmirele  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:11:00pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

This really isn’t surprising, both hotels I’ve worked at changed to such within the past two years. It’s a bit of a pain if housekeeping isn’t diligent or a guest goes crazy with how much they use at a time, but it also means families that decide to pack their rooms like clown cars aren’t constantly calling the front desk to beg for more mini-bottles.

This was pretty much the case in Japan. I think even the ryokan we stayed at had this setup. Three large bottles in a rack in the shower/tub area. I actually prefer it but yeah, some of the scents are icky. This reminds me of how much I want a Japanese tub/shower room.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:12:33pm

To my (total lack of) surprise, the NYT article is not about IHG taking some totally unprecedented step that is a complete shock for the hotel industry…it’s their using something most of the major hotel chains have already been doing to score some good press. And NYT trying to suggest that it is in some way “controversial,” when really the only reason the average goober will bitch is because it’s being framed by hotel companies as a “green” move when really it’s a cost-saving measure.

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retired cynic  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:13:36pm

No, of course I didn’t have your white rooster in my mouth. Why do you ask?

The rooster was offended, but not hurt. The purp was not innocent, but was adorable.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:13:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:15:25pm

re: #50 MsJ

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Accurate

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:16:58pm

Spinning bulk shampoo dispensers as a “green” effort is the same as your boss telling you that corporate is going “green” by cutting back the number of reports you’re supposed to print out daily. It’s not so much “green” as it is exploiting data storage technology to cut back on a business expense (i.e. printer paper).

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:17:03pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:19:05pm

re: #50 MsJ

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Don’t forget “While looking for a ‘mental illness’ angle to explain why white guy with white supremacist views was totally a ‘lone wolf.’”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:20:37pm

It’s funny to see the people who see Communism behind anything that isn’t a corporate giveaway complaining about McCarthyism too.

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mmmirele  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:20:52pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Spinning bulk shampoo dispensers as a “green” effort is the same as your boss telling you that corporate is going “green” by cutting back the number of reports you’re supposed to print out daily. It’s not so much “green” as it is exploiting data storage technology to cut back on a business expense (i.e. printer paper).

My employer has an app that pops up annoying “are you sure you want to print this out?” messages if you send more than one page to the printer. In between the print monitor and Blue Coat and God only knows what else is on my work box, it’s no wonder I use my personal cell phone for web surfing.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:21:17pm

re: #54 DodgerFan1988

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Does anyone wanna remind Mitch that Donny has spent the better part of the last three weeks attacking four women as “unpatriotic” and “unAmerican”…and all Mitch has done is offer excuses for why that doesn’t count as racism?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:22:12pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Does anyone wanna remind Mitch that Donny has spent the better part of the last three weeks attacking four women as “unpatriotic” and “unAmerican”…and all Mitch has done is offer excuses for why that doesn’t count as racism?

He doesn’t care. Him and Elaine are living the good life courtesy of the US taxpayer.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:23:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:26:56pm

re: #60 MsJ

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They really are the Trumpers of the left.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:27:20pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:27:33pm

re: #60 MsJ

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They suggested the same tactic in 2016, that they were gonna go to the convention with enough delegates to “contest” the nomination, then work the superdels until they agreed to crown him.

He’s gonna do nothing of the sort, just act as he did then by using whatever measure of delegates he captures to try to extort the party into giving him final approval of the platform.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:27:54pm

re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹

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That’s the action of a guy who has nothing to hide.//

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:28:30pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

They suggested the same tactic in 2016, that they were gonna go to the convention with enough delegates to “contest” the nomination, then work the superdels until they agreed to crown him.

When that didn’t work out, Sore Loser Bernie demanded an end to superdelegates…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:28:34pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

They suggested the same tactic in 2016, that they were gonna go to the convention with enough delegates to “contest” the nomination, then work the superdels until they agreed to crown him.

He’s gonna do nothing of the sort, just act as he did then by using whatever measure of delegates he captures to try to extort the party into giving him final approval of the platform.

He’s in for a rude surprise.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:28:43pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

To my (total lack of) surprise, the NYT article is not about IHG taking some totally unprecedented step that is a complete shock for the hotel industry…it’s their using something most of the major hotel chains have already been doing to score some good press. And NYT trying to suggest that it is in some way “controversial,” when really the only reason the average goober will bitch is because it’s being framed by hotel companies as a “green” move when really it’s a cost-saving measure.

I’m okay with green. I travel a lot, I take the remains in the little bottles with me so they won’t go to waste — and I’m swamped with little bottles. I now take my own shampoo with me because I don’t want any more (probably not recyclable) little bottles. Shampoo dispensers rock!

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:29:02pm

re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹

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A guy who went around the other week insisting he’d only slept with one woman and challenging to the lawyer representing his accusers to say the same thing under oath is now out there arguing that statutory rape laws are “outdated.”

Something tells me he’s got a conga line of skeletons just waiting to burst out of his closet.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:29:51pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

A guy who went around the other week insisting he’d only slept with one woman and challenging to the lawyer representing his accusers to say the same thing under oath is now out there arguing that statutory rape laws are “outdated.”

Something tells me he’s got a conga line of skeletons just waiting to burst out of his closet.

BUT

He did keep his Pampers, er, Underpants on…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:30:26pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:31:14pm

I strongly suspect that, by the time this is all over, ol’ Alan is gonna be up on the stand, arguing the definition of “sex” to explain why an underage girl giving him a blowjob doesn’t count.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:33:55pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

They suggested the same tactic in 2016, that they were gonna go to the convention with enough delegates to “contest” the nomination, then work the superdels until they agreed to crown him.

He’s gonna do nothing of the sort, just act as he did then by using whatever measure of delegates he captures to try to extort the party into giving him final approval of the platform.

He’s going to fuck over whomever the candidate is. Just like he did Clinton.

I hate him almost as much as I hate trump.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:34:34pm

re: #67 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Donate any you have to a woman’s shelter.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:35:15pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

A guy who went around the other week insisting he’d only slept with one woman and challenging to the lawyer representing his accusers to say the same thing under oath is now out there arguing that statutory rape laws are “outdated.”

Something tells me he’s got a conga line of skeletons just waiting to burst out of his closet.

Epstein. He knows he’s in deep trouble.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:36:08pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Spinning bulk shampoo dispensers as a “green” effort is the same as your boss telling you that corporate is going “green” by cutting back the number of reports you’re supposed to print out daily. It’s not so much “green” as it is exploiting data storage technology to cut back on a business expense (i.e. printer paper).

I leave the used towels on the floor. Fuck their stupid guilt trip.

BTW I also leave a $20/day tip for housekeeping.

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garzooma  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:37:15pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

[…] is now [emphasis added] out there arguing that statutory rape laws are “outdated.”

I believe we’re talking about an op-ed from 1997.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:37:43pm

re: #72 MsJ

He’s going to fuck over whomever the candidate is. Just like he did Clinton.

I hate him almost as much as I hate trump.

I hate what he’s done to so many young people.

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gwangung  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:38:25pm

re: #72 MsJ

He’s going to fuck over whomever the candidate is. Just like he did Clinton.

I hate him almost as much as I hate trump.

Meh. This is political hardball. I actually have no problem with that.

The problem is that he’s not very good at gathering his forces, whether it’s under his banner or someone else. He’s not very efficient, he’s very sloppy and he doesn’t believe in coalitions.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:38:28pm

re: #76 garzooma

I believe we’re talking about an op-ed from 1997.

We’re talking about his current defense of an op-ed from 1997 that he wrote.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:42:11pm

re: #76 garzooma

I believe we’re talking about an op-ed from 1997.

Proving that Dersh has been a naughty little scamp for the past 22 years…

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:42:22pm

re: #72 MsJ

He’s going to fuck over whomever the candidate is. Just like he did Clinton.

I hate him almost as much as I hate trump.

I’m not as worried right now largely because he’s been losing ground in the polls and there’s months to go before IA/NH. With the larger field that’s running, the odds that he’s gonna carry enough delegates to the convention to have any real leverage are shrinking.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:43:17pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

I’m not as worried right now largely because he’s been losing ground in the polls and there’s months to go before IA/NH. With the larger field that’s running, the odds that he’s gonna carry enough delegates to the convention to have any real leverage are shrinking.

With some exceptions, most people I know who supported him last time are looking at other people.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:43:48pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

I’m not as worried right now largely because he’s been losing ground in the polls and there’s months to go before IA/NH. With the larger field that’s running, the odds that he’s gonna carry enough delegates to the convention to have any real leverage are shrinking.

I want to see him get crushed in Iowa and especially New Hampshire.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:48:18pm

re: #76 garzooma

I believe we’re talking about an op-ed from 1997.

But this is from today.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:49:21pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

With some exceptions, most people I know who supported him last time are looking at other people.

Warren is definitely garnering a lot of the support he enjoyed last go, but Kamala Harris is also seeing love in those circles. Joe not so much, but he’s not really playing for them as much as he is the moderate vote. Bernie’s only real selling point ‘16 was that he was the only real opposition to Hillary, and he doesn’t have that this go around. The news coming from his campaign about staffer pay, union disagreements, and general disorganization is stuff that you didn’t see in ‘16 until after he’d all but been wiped out of the running.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:49:53pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Warren is definitely garnering a lot of the support he enjoyed last go, but Kamala Harris is also seeing love in those circles. Joe not so much, but he’s not really playing for them as much as he is the moderate vote. Bernie’s only real selling point ‘16 was that he was the only real opposition to Hillary, and he doesn’t have that this go around. The news coming from his campaign about staffer pay, union disagreements, and general disorganization is stuff that you didn’t see in ‘16 until after he’d all but been wiped out of the running.

Agreed

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:51:15pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:51:46pm

re: #73 MsJ

Donate any you have to a woman’s shelter.

I like the thought, but what I bring home is about enough to wash your hair twice. The women’s shelter would benefit more from one single full-sized bottle of shampoo. (In fact, I donate to the food bank for my “local” charity.)

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:54:46pm

re: #84 MsJ

But this is from today.

[the issue presents a constitutional conundrum worthy of discussion]

There is a conundrum between Dersh’s ears. There is no conundrum in a human of any age having the right to appropriate medical care.

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DangerMan  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:55:56pm

re: #19 The Pie Overlord!

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If the argument is he was “only 19” then he shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun

Anyone legally allowed to buy must take total personal responsibility for controlling their weapon at all times. <——- full stop

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gwangung  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:57:25pm

re: #90 DangerMan

If the argument is he was “only 19” then he shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun

Anyone legally allowed to buy must take total personal responsibility for controlling their weapon at all times. <——- full stop

Agreed.

But, it’s not an argument ammosexuals actually agree with.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:57:55pm

Oh, by the way? That Atlantic article is from back in April, before the first Dem debate when the polls began seriously shifting and Bernie went from a solid 2nd place to either trailing or breaking even with Warren.

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Old Liberal  Jul 29, 2019 • 6:58:15pm

re: #90 DangerMan

If the argument is he was “only 19” then he shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun

Anyone legally allowed to buy must take total personal responsibility for controlling their weapon at all times. <——- full stop

Yes, buy OR borrow OR operate/possess in any manner.

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DangerMan  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:01:59pm

re: #72 MsJ

He’s going to fuck over whomever the candidate is. Just like he did Clinton.

I hate him almost as much as I hate trump.

Imo He’s gonna have less effect this time

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DangerMan  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:04:53pm

re: #91 gwangung

Agreed.

But, it’s not an argument ammosexuals actually agree with.

Yup
All the rights
None of the responsibility

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DangerMan  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:06:13pm

re: #93 Old Liberal

Yes, buy OR borrow OR operate/possess in any manner.

100%
OR loan to someone else. You have total control over doing that

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DangerMan  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:07:52pm

For no reason at all

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:09:45pm

re: #97 DangerMan

For no reason at all

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Oh the Mother and Child Reunion is only a moment away…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:11:26pm

Die and burn in hell, Wayne LaPierre.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:13:29pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Die and burn in hell, Wayne LaPierre.

Oh, he will, my friend. The problem is, not anywhere near soon enough for us.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:14:22pm

re: #90 DangerMan

If the argument is he was “only 19” then he shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun

Anyone legally allowed to buy must take total personal responsibility for controlling their weapon at all times. <——- full stop

Brains aren’t fully developed until the mid 20s. Why we allow people with undeveloped brains to buy all the guns and ammo they want is a mystery.
(Well, not really. Young men have always been the warriors because they are young, strong, and disposable. Doesn’t work as well in a modern society.)

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:20:23pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:23:01pm

Italian training ship Amerigo Vespucci
Since 1931, Amerigo Vespucci has plied the seas (though mostly the Mediterranean) training Italy’s future naval officers. The sails are traditional canvas and the rigging (30 km of it) is all traditional hemp rope with the exception of synthetic mooring lines required by modern port standards.

While sailing the Mediterranean Sea in 1962, the American aircraft carrier USS Independence flashed the Amerigo Vespucci with the light signal asking: “Who are you?” The full-rigged ship answered: “Training ship Amerigo Vespucci, Italian Navy.” The Independence replied: “You are the most beautiful ship in the world.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:26:15pm

Save for next year:

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makeitstop  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:26:43pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

A guy who went around the other week insisting he’d only slept with one woman and challenging to the lawyer representing his accusers to say the same thing under oath is now out there arguing that statutory rape laws are “outdated.”

Something tells me he’s got a conga line of skeletons just waiting to burst out of his closet.

Pretty sure that’s an old article. The Michael Kennedy scandal - which the article refers to as ‘recent’ - took place in 1997.

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DangerMan  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:26:51pm

re: #102 calochortus

Brains aren’t fully developed until the mid 20s. Why we allow people with undeveloped brains to buy all the guns and ammo they want is a mystery.
(Well, not really. Young men have always been the warriors because they are young, strong, and disposable. Doesn’t work as well in a modern society.)

I’m agreeing

If we let any 19yo buy guns we are saying they are responsible. All of them. Every single one.

If we think they might not be responsible we can’t let them buy guns.

There is no third way

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:28:55pm

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:30:12pm

re: #107 DangerMan

I’m agreeing

If we let any 19yo buy guns we are saying they are responsible. All of them. Every single one.

If we think they might not be responsible we can’t let them buy guns.

There is no third way

I totally agree. I’d come down on the “don’t let them buy guns” side, with a few exceptions (sport shooting, hunting. Not assault style rifles.)

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makeitstop  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:30:25pm

re: #106 makeitstop

Pretty sure that’s an old article. The Michael Kennedy scandal - which the article refers to as ‘recent’ - took place in 1997.

Read further and noticed the defense. Yep, he’s scum.

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sagehen  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:32:38pm

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Save for next year:

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Voting’s like driving a manual transmission — D is to move forward, R for reverse.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:37:10pm

re: #102 calochortus

Brains aren’t fully developed until the mid 20s. Why we allow people with undeveloped brains to buy all the guns and ammo they want is a mystery.
(Well, not really. Young men have always been the warriors because they are young, strong, and disposable. Doesn’t work as well in a modern society.)

If a fully developed brain is the standard, make 25 the age to drink, vote, get drafted, get a credit card, married….

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:43:13pm

I. Just. Can’t. Anymore.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:47:46pm

re: #111 sagehen

Voting’s like driving a manual transmission — D is to move forward, R for reverse. Psst. Automatic. :-)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:48:22pm

Doing the important work of the Republic
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:49:34pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Doing the important work of the Republic
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:50:52pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:52:29pm

Dude’s got scruples! He won’t even spell out the word “hell” anymore. What a guy!

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 7:55:18pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

Dude’s got scruples! He won’t even spell out the word “hell” anymore. What a guy!

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Remember back when low UE numbers didn’t matter because the “real” number was in the double digits and that didn’t count all the people who wanted to work full time but couldn’t find anything but part time employment? What changed?

Oh right, the skin color of the guy in the White House…

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:01:37pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:01:49pm

re: #117 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Damn. Apparently someone in his own staff is responsible.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:03:04pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

Kimberly Klacik is a Fox News talking head and GOP analyst.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:05:12pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn. Apparently someone in his own staff is responsible.

I think you read that wrong.

The signature on the letter reportedly doesn’t match those on Gottheimer’s previous letters released by his office.

It follows another letter sent in the past week that claimed to be from one of his staff members.

“I am outraged that a dedicated member of my staff has been dragged into this cowardly attack on me,” Gottheimer said.

It is illegal to impersonate a federal official and to misuse a federal seal.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:14:16pm

re: #123 MsJ

Ahhh, you would be correct.

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Old Liberal  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:20:58pm

re: #116 Belafon

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Damn these fuckers are dumb

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:26:04pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yup.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:27:18pm

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

I. Just. Can’t. Anymore.

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Benjy keeps hopping on the Alt-Right train, he gets thrown off time and time again yet he still hops back on trying his damndest to be one of the Proud Boys.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:27:37pm

re: #60 MsJ

Ragnarok Lobster
@eclecticbrotha
So Bernie’s campaign manager went on TV to call people who watch debates stupid, then bragged about insulating his boss from the media by creating their own propaganda network. When they do, the only people “interviewing” Sanders will be staffers, cult loyalists and sycophants.

So the Bernie team is trying to create a Bernie version of Fox News?

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:29:46pm

re: #128 Hecuba’s daughter

So the Bernie team is trying to create a Bernie version of Fox News?

Apparently it is Facebook, going by my Facebook Newsfeed. //

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:30:17pm

re: #128 Hecuba’s daughter

So the Bernie team is trying to create a Bernie version of Fox News?

Pretty much.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:31:24pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

“…since he was a high school student who worked for me,”

Ever since he bubbled to the surface I have tried to find the background story on CCJ prep school and college access. His family (what can be learned of it) does not seem able to support that kind of elite schooling and I doubt he was getting by on personality.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:33:07pm

Just a little personal note on guns. I have divested from the shooting range and resigned from the BOD. Not over any dispute or politics, I simply don’t have the time what with some small business building to do. I think I will always be an advocate for the right of self-defense as a basic human right, including reasonable means to do so.

Otoh-But so effing tired of white guys with guns causing havoc while the GOP screams about fictionalized brown and black criminality. So done with the NRA, and the burden of Gun Trumpers around talking shit. Enough became enough.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:34:31pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2019 • 8:59:08pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Ever since he bubbled to the surface I have tried to find the background story on CCJ prep school and college access. His family (what can be learned of it) does not seem able to support that kind of elite schooling and I doubt he was getting by on personality.

We can all agree that Mr. Floorpooper flunked out of charm school!

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 29, 2019 • 9:05:15pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

A guy who went around the other week insisting he’d only slept with one woman and challenging to the lawyer representing his accusers to say the same thing under oath is now out there arguing that statutory rape laws are “outdated.”

Something tells me he’s got a conga line of skeletons just waiting to burst out of his closet.

Niggling nitpick deleted as Dersh is still defending his ancient position.

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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2019 • 9:59:09pm

re: #73 MsJ

Donate any you have to a woman’s shelter.

Or see if there’s something similar to Hope House—which keeps a pantry stocked for homeless kids at the high school.

hopehouseofmyrtlebeach.org

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Semper Fi  Jul 29, 2019 • 11:07:57pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Italian training ship Amerigo Vespucci
Since 1931, Amerigo Vespucci has plied the seas (though mostly the Mediterranean) training Italy’s future naval officers. The sails are traditional canvas and the rigging (30 km of it) is all traditional hemp rope with the exception of synthetic mooring lines required by modern port standards.

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24ft draft…that’s a bunch.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 30, 2019 • 4:22:13am

re: #41 The Pie Overlord!

That lime coconut scent really sucks.

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They’d better make sure you can read the labels without your glasses on!


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