Purely Amazing: Jacob Collier’s NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Watch Jacob Collier play “Make Me Cry”, “Feel”, “It Don’t Matter” at the Tiny Desk.

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July 22, 2019 | Collin Marshall — As the the NPR staff gathered to watch his performance, Jacob Collier sprinted full bore down the hallway. It seems the North London 24-year-old can hardly contain his creative energy. It comes out in his wardrobe and most definitely in his music, but it’s not misdirected or out of control. These are intricate and precise compositions, like a ship in a bottle made of thousands of planks of wood, yet light enough to sail in a breeze. It’s on a scale you wouldn’t imagine. Here’s an example: This year he covered Henry Mancini and Johnny Mercer’s “Moon River” by recording himself 5,000 times and working in 144 other vocal submissions, and then he printed and sold signed copies of his Logic Pro audio session for fans while on tour. Though this is is a regular day for Jacob, his output continues to astonish everyone around him, both in its quality and sheer quantity. This year alone, he’s putting out a project called Djesse with four distinct and complete volumes. Many of the songs are being written along the way, including one crafted specifically for the Tiny Desk called “It Don’t Matter.”

The whole Tiny Desk Concert has a lot to unpack. Check my math, but by my count Jacob plays seven instruments, if you include his singing. And you should — Jacob’s stamp has always been to use voice in his compositions like a Swiss army knife, and virtually every combination of band members harmonizes at some point in the show. It’s reflective of his philosophy on music as a connecting tool, to use the instrument we all possess, which drew me to his art in the first place. And as if to make good on those beliefs and bring all of us into one moment, he invited the crowd to sing the final lyrics of the concert together. It was the end of the show, but not even close to the limit of Jacob’s imaginative bounds. He obsessed over leaving us a gift: a fake ID fashioned out of a passport photo and an Oyster Card — London’s public transit fare card — which now sits on the hallowed shelves of the Tiny Desk. Extra credit if you can spot it in future episodes.

SET LIST
“Make Me Cry”
“Feel”
“It Don’t Matter”

MUSICIANS
Jacob Collier: vocals, piano, guitar, bass, melodica, cymbal; Becca Stevens: vocals, acoustic guitar, charango; Christian Euman: vocals, drums, percussion; MARO: vocals, acoustic guitar, keys; Robin Mullarkey: vocals, bass, percussion

CREDITS
Producers: Colin Marshall, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Kara Frame, Beck Harlan; Associate Producer: Bobby Carter; Production Assistant: Paul Georgoulis; Photo: Claire Harbage/NPR

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:22:16am

What a band.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:22:54am

youtube.com
Steve Lookner on mass shooting in El Paso.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:37:58am

Since Texas is open carry why not just let all the good guys with guns handle it?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:42:19am

re: #3 Skip Intro

Since Texas is open carry why not just let all the good guys with guns handle it?

Maybe that’s what happened. There are consistent but unconfirmed reports of very high casualty numbers. Will not link without confirmation.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:46:05am

JFC

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:47:05am

re: #5 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

JFC

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:48:04am

“Suspects”

There are nearly always what turn out to be false reports of multiple shooters immediately after a mass shooting. These seem to be more solid than usual though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:48:38am

re: #3 Skip Intro

Since Texas is open carry why not just let all the good guys with guns handle it?

They could just as easily be “active shooters” right now.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:52:14am

re: #5 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Fucking Avenatti is more likely to be in prison in time for the November 2020 election than running for anything.

Another egotistical fucknut.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:52:45am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure could. How do you tell them apart?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:54:39am

re: #10 Skip Intro

Sure could. How do you tell them apart?

It would explain “multiple shooters” being rounded up.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:55:02am

Check off the excuses - it’s Texas. It’s an open carry state. Easy access to guns.

Not a single one of those things stopped the mass shooting, lessened the death toll, or the costs and carnage.

The GOP and NRA will insist that only more guns and easy access will prevent shootings, and yet all the empirical evidence says nope - they’re fucking on the wrong side of history.

Every state that has strong gun laws has a lower per capita gun death rate. That means fewer shootings, mass shootings, and lower death toll. It means lower health care costs and criminal justice costs from fewer shootings. Every country with strong gun control has fewer mass shootings.

Trump will ignore the mass shooting as he usually does, unless the shooter is a Muslim, black man, or immigrant. That it could be a white guy would undermine his mighty white view on things.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:59:37am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:00:45pm

And of course wingnuts are already claiming it happened because Wal-Mart is a “gun free zone”.

:rolleyes:

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:03:46pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Maybe that’s what happened. There are consistent but unconfirmed reports of very high casualty numbers. Will not link without confirmation.

One guy hears a shot, whips out a pistol, everyone else sees that and the next thing you know it’s the ending of Reservoir Dogs

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:04:50pm

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mmmirele  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:05:30pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Go away

NO. It should be GO THE EVERLOVING FUCK AWAY. I’m tired of these crazies.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:05:35pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:09:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:10:28pm

Fuck

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:11:52pm

Just a reminder who is behind wanting to shut down Antifa—Richard Fucking Spencer!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:12:57pm

re: #21 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just a reminder who is behind wanting to shut down Antifa—Richard Fucking Spencer!

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Yeah maybe you shouldn’t advocate for genocide Dickface but we get it, you’re the real victim.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:13:28pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Any tyrants killed?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:15:20pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

Any tyrants killed?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:17:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:18:03pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:18:38pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Hey Members of the Tiny Penis Club! Send these for the multiple funeral repasts
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:18:44pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

That will happen in 5 4 3 2 1 … /half

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:19:14pm
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retired cynic  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:20:32pm

re: #29 Dr Lizardo

OMG!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:20:44pm

re: #29 Dr Lizardo

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retired cynic  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:21:23pm

I need to play Jacob’s music again. JFC

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:22:47pm

This is becoming an almost daily occurrence.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:23:08pm

re: #33 Dr Lizardo

This is becoming an almost daily occurrence.

Yeah but it’s too soon to talk about guns.:/

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:24:14pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Sure, Boris. Tucker Carlson’s “White Power Hour” blog is left wing.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:24:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:25:09pm

FUCK THE NRA AND ALL THEIR ENABLERS WITH A GIANT, RUSTY SPIKE!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:25:58pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Sure, Boris. Tucker Carlson’s “White Power Hour” blog is left wing.

Lol

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:27:34pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Sure, Boris. Tucker Carlson’s “White Power Hour” blog is left wing.

Folks please report that troll since @jack blocks me from reporting any right winger!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:27:56pm

re: #29 Dr Lizardo

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:28:48pm

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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So is Governor Ironside to chicken to utter the usual “thoughts and prayers” shit?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:29:59pm

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Can’t say I’m surprised. That seems to be in the age demographic for mass shooters.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:30:30pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:30:54pm

“El Paso” is at the top of Twitter’s worldwide trends.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:31:36pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“El Paso” is at the top of Twitter’s worldwide trends.

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Watch Trump and his allies blame Beto for this.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:32:14pm

re: #41 Joe Bacon 🌹

So is Governor Ironside to chicken to utter the usual “thoughts and prayers” shit?

Gov. Abbot just released a statement.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:34:03pm

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Gov. Abbot just released a statement.

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They keep that statement on file. All they have to do is change the name of the city when the next one happens.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:34:26pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:34:49pm

The numbing sameness of today is heartbreaking. I should be horrified and emotionally crushed by this but I find myself barely able to respond anymore.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:35:15pm

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Gov. Abbot just released a statement.

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Just as expected. More ‘thoughts and prayers’ bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:35:28pm

re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White

The numbing sameness of today is heartbreaking. I should be horrified and emotionally crushed by this but I find myself barely able to respond anymore.

They’re becoming regular. That’s the scary thing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:35:29pm

re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White

The numbing sameness of today is heartbreaking. I should be horrified and emotionally crushed by this but I find myself barely able to respond anymore.

I feel you.

But we can’t give up this fight. We can’t afford to become apathetic towards mass violence.

As tempting as it may be sometimes.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:35:35pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:36:20pm

Also, compare and contrast O’Rourkes response to that bullshit release from Abbott.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:36:28pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:37:02pm

We know that sick freak Wayne LaPierre is having yet another orgasm from the latest mass shooting.

It’s time for the New York AG to use her legal power to put the Tiny Penis Club out of business.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:37:24pm

re: #55 Skip Intro

That reminds me, add “it could never happen here” to that list of phrases I find annoying.

Just about anything can happen anywhere given the right set of circumstances.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:38:20pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

I rather have a Beto O’Rourke and his reaction. The thoughts and prayers statement has been used so much it has no meaning.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:39:01pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:40:54pm

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Gov. Abbot just released a statement.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:41:20pm

And Putin opens up another case of Cristal in the Kremlin so his pals can toast another triumph of the NRA they finance.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:41:24pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He’s such a shitheel. Worse than Perry and Bush.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:42:06pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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Yet another spectacular self own by Mitchell.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:43:43pm

Conservative writer weighs in.

Because it’s “too soon” and your omnipotent god is powerless in the face of feckless conservative grasping for power.

If not now, when? Right now seems a damn good time to get religion out of politics and a discussion of guns going.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:44:03pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Because the FIRST information out of a mass shooting or other similar event is always the most reliable…..

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:44:49pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Gov. Abbot, you’re an ass.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:45:04pm

It’s going to be another white guy, isn’t it?

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Danack  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:45:10pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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In custody.

So he’s white then.

(I think we need a double /s for when you’re being sarcastically sarcastic)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:45:25pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Conservative writer weighs in.

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Because it’s “too soon” and your omnipotent god is powerless in the face of feckless conservative grasping for power.

If not now, when? Right now seems a damn good time to get religion out of politics and a discussion of guns going.

They love bringing politics in when they blame Engle v Vitale for school shootings.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:45:28pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My responses:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:45:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:46:13pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

Definitely a young white dude.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:46:49pm

re: #67 Skip Intro

It’s going to be another white guy, isn’t it?

So it would seem.

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:47:18pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

Because the FIRST information out of a mass shooting or other similar event is always the most reliable…..

I’ve always thought that when people report “multiple shooters”, they’re probably mistaking gunfire echo for multiple fireams being used.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:48:22pm

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always thought that when people report “multiple shooters”, they’re probably mistaking gunfire echo for multiple fireams being used.

Either that or the shooter is moving quickly as he goes. Thus, witnesses hear gunfire from two different directions and assume multiple shooters.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:48:24pm

Just waiting for the background of this white trash punk to come out showing him linked to the alt-right, nazis, kkk, proud boys, spencer…

Yes I am not going to capitalize any of those republican thugs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:48:47pm

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always thought that when people report “multiple shooters”, they’re probably mistaking gunfire echo for multiple fireams being used.

Echoes, irregular patterns of shots, shooter moving around, and, of course, panic.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:49:05pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

Wearing hearing protection.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:49:11pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m glad he remembered to protect his ears. That’s important.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:50:55pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

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Dweebie looking little shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:51:48pm

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Dweebie looking little shit.

I hate to speculate in such instances but he seems to me like someone who has “incel” written all over him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:52:03pm

re: #67 Skip Intro

It’s going to be another white guy, isn’t it?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:52:12pm

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Dweebie looking little shit.

Like one of them incel types.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:52:46pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I really hope the seven year old didn’t see that.

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BigPapa  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:52:50pm

re: #79 Skip Intro

I’m glad he remembered to protect his ears. That’s important.

Yeah, that’s sorta weird. Wasn’t thinking of dying.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:53:36pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate to speculate in such instances but he seems to me like someone who has “incel” written all over him.

sickening.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:53:40pm

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

Like one of them incel types.

GMTA.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:54:11pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:55:18pm

re: #85 BigPapa

Yeah, that’s sorta weird. Wasn’t thinking of dying.

Also, and it could just be the less than-perfect image resolution, it looks like he’s wearing shooter’s yellow safety glasses.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:56:26pm

re: #70 lawhawk

It would appear this is the largest mass shooting since Las Vegas.

We are now gauging mass shootings against previous mass shootings.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:56:46pm

It’s another white supremacist mass murder, folks.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:56:50pm

re: #88 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I saw rumors the suspect posted a manifesto on 4-chan and 8-chan.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:57:45pm

His manifesto is out there now, and he rants about the “Hispanic invasion of Texas” and applauds the Christchurch massacre.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:58:01pm

Has President Asshole chimed in with the T&P bullshit?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:59:43pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

They’re already in there parsing the photo claiming he’s not “white.”

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 12:59:52pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Oy Vey this is sickening.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:00:07pm

re: #94 Joe Bacon 🌹

Has President Asshole chimed in with the T&P bullshit?

He’s golfing, though the press says he’s been informed.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:00:07pm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:01:11pm

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

I saw rumors the suspect posted a manifesto on 4-chan and 8-chan.

Same. I didn’t post that because I didn’t recognise the person who said it was sent to him from someone who found it on 8ch.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:01:34pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Not surprised at all. It’s what I expected to find out about that little twerp.

Did they take him to Wendy’s to chow down on a burger after he was arrested like they did with that prick Dylan?

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:01:45pm

How did we fail this poor kid?

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:01:51pm

re: #85 BigPapa

Yeah, that’s sorta weird. Wasn’t thinking of dying.

He expects to be pardoned after the race war.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:02:04pm

This guy is describing/quoting what appears to be the manifesto. Yes, white supremacist, anti-immigrant.

Assuming it’s real, of course.

But hey - let’s make sure all 2 dozen Antifa assholes in Portland are officially a Terrorist Organization.

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BigPapa  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:02:19pm

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Also, and it could just be the less than-perfect image resolution, it looks like he’s wearing shooter’s yellow safety glasses.

That’s what I thought as well.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:02:20pm
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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:03:16pm

Remember people, it is the Anti-Fascists that are the real terrorists.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:03:38pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

This guy is describing/quoting what appears to be the manifesto. Yes, white supremacist, anti-immigrant.

Assuming it’s real, of course.

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But hey - let’s make sure all 2 dozen Antifa assholes in Portland are officially a Terrorist Organization.

To be fair, there are probably a couple of dozen in Seattle as well. //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:04:24pm

re: #107 Teddy’s Person

To be fair, there are probably a couple of dozen in Seattle as well. //

Or maybe they commute?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:06:03pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

That was the guy I didn’t post here, because I am unaware of who he is.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:07:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:07:36pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:08:22pm

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That was the guy I didn’t post here, because I am unaware of who he is.

Yeah. I posted with caveats for that very reason. But I trust the folks here to evaluate info carefully. I would NOT post this to FB.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:09:03pm

re: #106 b.d.

Remember people, it is the Anti-Fascists that are the real terrorists.

So says Ted Cruz.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:10:54pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. I posted with caveats for that very reason. But I trust the folks here to evaluate info carefully. I would NOT post this to FB.

Honestly, I’m not surprised if he posted some screed on 8-chan; 8-chan is basically Stormfront with kiddie porn.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:11:17pm

The lying libertarians at Quillette weigh in:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:14:00pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:15:07pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

And now back to my golf game, rudely interrupted by my presidential duty to send a tweet.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:15:42pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:16:57pm

We were actually wondering when some “patriot” would be inspired to launch a pogrom against Hispanics. Looks like this is it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:18:36pm

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And now back to my golf game, rudely interrupted by my presidential duty to send a tweet.

“Aw, c’mon! I sent a tweet! I’m on the green in 2 strokes..”

“Four strokes, sir.”

“TWO strokes! And I’ve got 3 holes yet to play, and I’m 3 under par!”

“10 over par, sir”

“THREE UNDER!”

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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:18:54pm

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And now back to my golf game, rudely interrupted by my presidential duty to send a tweet.

George Bush “Now, Watch This Drive”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:19:00pm

No god did that; a mass-murderer did.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:19:38pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We were actually wondering when some “patriot” would be inspired to launch a pogrom against Hispanics. Looks like this is it.

If that manifesto turns out to be real then Trump, the entire GOP and the people who support and enable them have blood on their hands, they are responsible for this.

Enough.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:22:07pm

Now wingnuts are trying to claim it’s gang related … that’s flooding Twitter now from multiple accounts within seconds of each other.

Aside from gun safety regulations, we need Twitter regulations.

As for 8ch, there’s not much that can be done about it as long as it’s based in The Philippines. Duterte isn’t going to do crap about it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:23:05pm
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steve_davis  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:24:54pm

re: #29 Dr Lizardo

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this would not surprise me. i heard a piece of the press briefing and the sheriff’s p.r. flack was saying multiple people had gone to hospital, but no count on possible fatalities. if the injuries were non-life threatening, that would be an easy piece of info to give out. otherwise, they have to hold everything up while relatives are contacted.

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:26:13pm

re: #43 lawhawk

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Nra Mitch works just as well as Moscow mitch

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:26:25pm

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Now wingnuts are trying to claim it’s gang related … that’s flooding Twitter now from multiple accounts within seconds of each other.

Aside from gun safety regulations, we need Twitter regulations.

As for 8ch, there’s not much that can be done about it as long as it’s based in The Philippines. Duterte isn’t going to do crap about it.

“flooding Twitter now from multiple accounts within seconds of each other” isn’t wing nuts; it’s Russians.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:26:26pm

Probably good advice.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:28:00pm

re: #128 sagehen

“flooding Twitter now from multiple accounts within seconds of each other” isn’t wing nuts; it’s Russians.

Why not both?

Gang, thug, Antifa, liberal, Hispanic, atheist, all the same to them.

Plus they’re getting plenty of help from Bill Mitchell, Quillette, and Daily Caller.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:28:13pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Sometimes it is better to wait for something than to get it half done. I believe there is more to this story than meets the eye.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:29:50pm
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mmmirele  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:30:36pm

I ate breakfast this morning and it was carb-heavy. Then I went out to get gas and drive over to my mother’s house. By the time I got here, I was shaking. I carry my glucometer with me so I checked my blood sugar. It was borderline low, which for me is crazy, especially when I ate cereal for breakfast. Not sure what the heck is going on…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:31:05pm

re: #131 PhillyPretzel

Sometimes it is better to wait for something than to get it half done. I believe there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Yup. In any tragedy or disaster, the first information to come out is often incorrect, especially if it’s not properly vetted for accuracy first.

News outlets quoting other news outlets is also not proper vetting of information.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:31:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:33:36pm

One yike.

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steve_davis  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:34:26pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

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jesus. wearing headphones because gunfire is loud as shit and you don’t want to be discomforted.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:34:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:34:39pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

We’ve had a gun problem for a long time, and we’ve had a nutcase problem for some time, but now we’ve also got a violent racism problem, stoked by the idiot in the White House.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:35:32pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:36:33pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Yeah it happens everywhere. But not here. Not El Paso. I am truly devastated. God cover our city with your blood. And take care of those who need your love the most today..

There is no place in this country it can’t happen.

There are only places it hasn’t happened yet.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:36:47pm

So it’s another white supremacist fuckwad. Sigh.

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:38:00pm

re: #131 PhillyPretzel

Sometimes it is better to wait for something than to get it half done. I believe there is more to this story than meets the eye.

There usually is

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:38:02pm

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Question: “What do you call it when someone attacks noncombatants for political, religious, or other ideological reasons in hopes of bringing about political change?”

Response: “Was he white?”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:38:52pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:40:45pm

I’m kind of wondering if, when the full story comes out, we’re going to find out that some of the casualties at this Walmart were shot by ‘good guys with guns’ that never had any training.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:44:19pm

Plenty of this out there as well.

You absolutely can (agitprop, stochastic terrorism, &c).

It will never change until the moment it does.

God doesn’t fix anyone, or this wouldn’t have happened. (Problem of evil, problem of omnipotence, problem of omniscience). The difference between whatever that god is she claims to pray to and me, is if I was in a position to stop a mass-murderer and I could, I would at least try.

All these “only God can fix people” worship the idea of a god who says “I’m going to let you murder and wound all those people, and when you die sometime in the future, I’ll punish you then.”

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:45:58pm

re: #137 steve_davis

jesus. wearing headphones because gunfire is loud as shit and you don’t want to be discomforted.

He’s white, knows the odds are he’ll be taken alive, and doesn’t want to get tinittus at the tender age of 21.

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:47:18pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Conservative writer weighs in.

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Because it’s “too soon” and your omnipotent god is powerless in the face of feckless conservative grasping for power.

If not now, when? Right now seems a damn good time to get religion out of politics and a discussion of guns going.

Made me laugh out loud. Assholes

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:47:45pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:48:08pm

re: #146 stpaulbear

Odds are that if this indeed happened, it will be covered up, because Texas….

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:48:25pm

Manifesto is confirmed now. The name matches the shooter, and it was posted to 8chan before the shooting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:48:59pm

Can confirm….

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:49:17pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

Definitely a young white dude.

Lone wolf. Mental illness. Hoonoo

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:49:48pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

Manifesto is confirmed now. The name matches the shooter, and it was posted to 8chan before the shooting.

BUT there will be a lot of folks out there, primarily on the Right, who will always remember it as having been a hoax.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:50:56pm

re: #154 Old Liberal

Lone wolf. Mental illness. Hoonoo

“We failed him”.

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:51:17pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The open carry tools think seeing someone carrying a gun should seem normal

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:51:38pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

Manifesto is confirmed now. The name matches the shooter, and it was posted to 8chan before the shooting.

And now the RWNJ’s are gonna go into overdrive to try to hand-wave this away.

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steve_davis  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:52:12pm

re: #133 mmmirele

I ate breakfast this morning and it was carb-heavy. Then I went out to get gas and drive over to my mother’s house. By the time I got here, I was shaking. I carry my glucometer with me so I checked my blood sugar. It was borderline low, which for me is crazy, especially when I ate cereal for breakfast. Not sure what the heck is going on…

i have an office mate who has an overactive pancreas that doctors think they may have to just kill. he’s producing so much insulin that he was having to have half-a-pound of sugar dripped into him daily in order to keep his blood sugar up to a level allowing for normal function. you just would never think that having an overly efficient pancreas would be a bad thing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:52:29pm

re: #156 Skip Intro

“We failed him”.

We failed him by not making it harder for him to get guns, and by allowing a racist to be elected President.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:52:41pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:53:11pm
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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:53:50pm

Because apparently the white house is working on a health care plan and a September announcement

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:54:12pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:54:16pm

re: #146 stpaulbear

I’m kind of wondering if, when the full story comes out, we’re going to find out that some of the casualties at this Walmart were shot by ‘good guys with guns’ that never had any training.

I’ve wondered the same thing, and also whether “good guys with guns” might account for the confusion about multiple shooters.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:55:08pm

re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:55:25pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

4-chan and 8-chan are Stormfront with kiddie porn and hentai.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:57:35pm

That’s because there’s no lettuce lobby which buys conservatives.

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:58:36pm

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

4-chan and 8-chan are Stormfront with kiddie porn and hentai.

Aannnnnnd, I just learned a new word

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 1:59:22pm

re: #169 DangerMan

Aannnnnnd, I just learned a new word

And it has nothing to do with either poultry or cravats.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:00:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:01:16pm

re: #157 Old Liberal

The open carry tools think seeing someone carrying a gun should seem normal

I live in an open carry state, and no one does the same crazy shit they do in Open Carry Texas and other such groups.

The only time I ever see a gun in public is the sheriff or state patrol, or the occasional hunter, or a farmer or rancher with a varmint gun on their farm or ranch.

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:02:26pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

And it has nothing to do with either poultry or cravats.

I googled it and then clicked images
My innocence has been taken

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:04:19pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

This guy is describing/quoting what appears to be the manifesto. Yes, white supremacist, anti-immigrant.

Assuming it’s real, of course.

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But hey - let’s make sure all 2 dozen Antifa assholes in Portland are officially a Terrorist Organization.

Well antifa made him do it ///

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:04:27pm

re: #169 DangerMan

Aannnnnnd, I just learned a new word

But have you ever claimed to have been aware of all internet traditions?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:05:17pm

Thread

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:05:33pm

re: #173 DangerMan

I googled it and then clicked images
My innocence has been taken

Oooh, dear.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:05:43pm
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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:06:54pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

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Where was god while the shooting was going on, drumpf

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:07:23pm

::: headed to the corner to watch “Pride and Prejudice” ::: Hopefully that will help me to feel better.

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:08:23pm

re: #175 A Three Hour Tour

But have you ever claimed to have been aware of all internet traditions?

Not even close
Except for here and a few other places I’m an incurious technically competent luddite

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:08:42pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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No god did that; a mass-murderer did.

She means the protective blood of jesus. Which apparently was missing earlier, maybe because jeebus hates brown people too

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:08:48pm
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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:09:47pm

re: #179 Old Liberal

Where was god while the shooting was going on, drumpf

Watching trump cheat at golf

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:12:18pm

re: #133 mmmirele

I ate breakfast this morning and it was carb-heavy. Then I went out to get gas and drive over to my mother’s house. By the time I got here, I was shaking. I carry my glucometer with me so I checked my blood sugar. It was borderline low, which for me is crazy, especially when I ate cereal for breakfast. Not sure what the heck is going on…

Mine always defies expectations. Little rhyme nor reason.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:14:58pm

Time to call it a night. Later, Lizards.

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:15:55pm

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Again with the “good things come outof mass murders” bullshit. I hate that.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:16:28pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:18:36pm
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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:19:18pm

Time to say it again but the 2nd Amendment is not a death pact.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:19:18pm

Back from the general store.

I won the lotto! (on a $5 state ticket, I won six free tickets and $4)

Profit!

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:20:06pm

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yay! I am happy for you. :)

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:22:14pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

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We have a gun control problem. But only one side in this country is using it to attempt to enforce their idology.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:22:42pm

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Back from the general store.

I won the lotto! (on a $5 state ticket, I won six free tickets and $4)

Profit!

We all would share with you if we won.

just sayin….

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:23:00pm

Another reason the press should not name mass-murderers in free-fire states, especially right after a mass-murder.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:24:34pm

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Plenty of this out there as well.

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You absolutely can (agitprop, stochastic terrorism, &c).

It will never change until the moment it does.

God doesn’t fix anyone, or this wouldn’t have happened. (Problem of evil, problem of omnipotence, problem of omniscience). The difference between whatever that god is she claims to pray to and me, is if I was in a position to stop a mass-murderer and I could, I would at least try.

All these “only God can fix people” worship the idea of a god who says “I’m going to let you murder and wound all those people, and when you die sometime in the future, I’ll punish you then.”

I’m sure bin Laden is comforted by this realization.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:25:26pm

re: #173 DangerMan

I googled it and then clicked images
My innocence has been taken

Should have asked me about it first. I would have warned you. /s

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:25:39pm

re: #193 Belafon

We also have a gun responsibility and accountability problem.
And most of that stems from those selling trading or giving away as a business or personally

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:26:33pm

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Back from the general store.

I won the lotto! (on a $5 state ticket, I won six free tickets and $4)

Profit!

I picked up $40 on 3 Mega Million tickets last week

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:28:01pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Should have asked me about it first. I would have warned you. /s

Who knew? It coulda been about food

BTW got my first bottle of Hp sauce today. Local Publix had it in the int’l section. Can’t wait to test drive it

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:29:05pm

I clicked on the El Paso hashtag not too long after the shooting was reported—several people were immediately claiming the guy had a “Mexican-American” name (Mendez).

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:29:27pm

2nd White Supremacist mass shooting this week.

Can you imagine the state of this country if they happened to have been Muslim instead?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:30:19pm

re: #187 Old Liberal

Again with the “good things come outof mass murders” bullshit. I hate that.

So do I. And we’re going to see a bunch of it in the coming days. I’m rather surprised at the Epilepsy Foundation; they don’t usually weigh in on stuff like this (but that was the Texas chapter).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:30:42pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Should have asked me about it first. I would have warned you. /s

Saturday morning cartoons will never be the same….

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:31:59pm

re: #204 Blind Frog Belly White

Saturday morning cartoons will never be the same….

“Go speed racer” takes on a whole new meaning

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:33:41pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

BUT there will be a lot of folks out there, primarily on the Right, who will always remember it as having been a hoax.

That is by design of the trolls and apologists and gundamentalists. They kept throwing different stories out there (even in direct contradiction to each other) to foul the waters.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:35:39pm

I’ve known about hentai for a while. And, when I’m in a good mood, the Spanish word for people, gente, sounds the same to me and makes for a rather funny mental image when I have to use it while practicing.

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:36:02pm

Well if only the Democrats would stop blocking the wall it wouldn’t drive white people to random violence—coming to a New York Times opinion piece soon.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:37:54pm

re: #200 DangerMan

Who knew? It coulda been about food

BTW got my first bottle of Hp sauce today. Local Publix had it in the int’l section. Can’t wait to test drive it

Enjoy! I use it on lots of stuff, not just beef. French fries, chicken, pork, potato chips… .

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:40:02pm

re: #200 DangerMan

Who knew? It coulda been about food

BTW got my first bottle of Hp sauce today. Local Publix had it in the int’l section. Can’t wait to test drive it

Dad had to have HP on burgers and steaks. Then he discovered how good it went with rotisserie chicken…

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:41:33pm

re: #137 steve_davis

jesus. wearing headphones because gunfire is loud as shit and you don’t want to be discomforted.

This is why junior is lobbying to legalize silencers.

Shall we take a moment to consider how many more fatalities there’d have been if it took mall-goers an couple minutes to realize there was a shooting? And how much longer it would have taken the cops to pinpoint his location?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:42:21pm

“… Kozlowski’s wife, Therese Kozlowski, had reportedly told officials that she had grown suspicious of her husband in July after she began to experience blurred vision and other symptoms shortly after drinking coffee that had been prepared by her husband.

As a result, Therese Kozlowski said she installed cameras in the kitchen of her and her husband’s home. After viewing the footage, she said that she saw her husband had spiked her coffee with diphenhydramine multiple times.

Prosecutors said the last cup of coffee her husband prepared for her was found to have contained 127 milliliters of diphenhydramine. …”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:43:04pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dad had to have HP on burgers and steaks. Then he discovered how good it went with rotisserie chicken…

First time Dad and I went to “RB’s” (The original name for Arby’s), came home, Dad put the Horsey Sauce on the beef…dipped the fries in HP…from then on Dad used DP with the fries, too!

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:43:15pm

re: #207 Belafon

I’ve known about hentai for a while. And, when I’m in a good mood, the Spanish word for people, gente, sounds the same to me and makes for a rather funny mental image when I have to use it while practicing.

Unnecessary trivia of the day: a Japanese slang term for sex is “etchi”; “etchi” is how some thought the letter ‘h’—the first letter in romanized “hentai”—is pronounced.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:43:56pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:44:01pm

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Well, at least he didn’t try to vote while on parole.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:45:07pm

Another artist crosses the rainbow bridge…

D.A. Pennebaker, a champion of the cinéma-vérité approach to documentary, which emphasized intimate portraits of its subjects, died Thursday from natural causes, Rolling Stone has confirmed. He was 94.

rollingstone.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:45:08pm
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plansbandc  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:45:11pm

Monsoon, it’s raining in my room, the dog is freaking out, the power blinked out.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:45:50pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

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The GOP is pandering to the likes of that shooter and won’t dare say anything that will upset them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:46:52pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:47:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:49:27pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah Kavanaugh is nothing to be proud of.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:49:46pm

I’ve seen a couple of copies of the photograph of the alleged mass-murderer which have been darkened to make the suspect appear more stereotypically Hispanic in the last few minutes.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:50:27pm

re: #221 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I would love that Ratcliffe is “battered”.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:50:33pm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:52:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:52:39pm

re: #225 Belafon

I would love that Ratcliffe is “battered”.

Will he be deep-fried next?

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:52:44pm

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’ve seen a couple of copies of the photograph of the alleged mass-murderer which have been darkened to make the suspect appear more stereotypically Hispanic in the last few minutes.

because the rubes associate dark skin with crimes but they aren’t racist

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:55:14pm

re: #221 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:56:24pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:57:09pm

This is seriously fucking disturbing

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:58:01pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 2:59:04pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:00:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:05:37pm

I prefer the term mass murder, not mass shooting. The NRA was squealing a couple years ago about the press’s use of the word “gunman” to describe such people. Their argument was two-fold; a) there is not a word “gunwoman” (duh, women almost never do this) and 2) it vilified the gun and not the shooter. Their preferred term was “shooter,” and a lot of the press went along with the NRA framing.

You can also shoot a bow-and-arrow, but they are vanishingly rare in mass shootings.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:12:34pm

And they’re fond of making it two syllables.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:14:43pm

re: #237 Belafon

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And they’re fond of making it two syllables.

It is God’s plan. Not really what you want to hear after a loved one dies or is diagnosed with a terminal illness.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:18:34pm

re: #237 Belafon

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Name a word, phrase, or figure of speech that you can’t stand.

And they’re fond of making it two syllables.

Has anyone said “Good Samaritan” yet?

Every time anyone does something half way humanly decent the news trots out that phrase.

What is wrong with “Good Citizen”, “Good Person”, “Decent Chap”, “Non-Douchebag” or just noting that someone did something that should be reflexive rather than biblicaly notable?

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:21:05pm

re: #239 b.d.

Has anyone said “Good Samaritan” yet?

Every time anyone does something half way humanly decent the news trots out that phrase.

What is wrong with “Good Citizen”, “Good Person”, “Decent Chap”, “Non-Douchebag” or just noting that someone did something that should be reflexive rather than biblicaly notable?

And if we were using it correctly, we would also need to point out the assholes that walked by and did nothing.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:22:57pm

Available from Kentucky Democrats

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:23:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:23:57pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

It is God’s plan. Not really what you want to hear after a loved one dies or is diagnosed with a terminal illness.

Especially if you’re not a Christian.

I’ve heard that here about my very ill step-father and they know I’m an atheist.

Even worse than “It is God’s plan” is when someone is in a state of fear or grief and they swoop in for proselytisation.

That happened to me during prep for my last hand surgery at the VA. I’d already been given drugs for preparation to be anesthetised, and the hospital chaplain came by my bed.

He had a list of people to visit with personal info on a clipboard, and he did not ask me if I wanted to pray. He asked me if I wanted to talk, or if there was something he could do for me.

I thanked him and said I didn’t need to talk, but asked if he would be kind enough to check on my wife in the waiting lounge. (My wife later told me he did check with her, and while he sat with others to pray or give religious comfort, he did not do that with my wife.)

Then the surgeon came by and told me “It’s my custom to offer prayer for my patients before we start. Do you have any special request for prayer?”

I told him I put my trust in his experience and long years of study. That was enough for me. He was sort of taken aback by that, but thanked me before I was wheeled out.

In recovery, one of the nurses told me he’d never seen that doc so upset by what he regarded as a refusal to pray with him before.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:24:25pm

Here it is if you want to read it. Be warned, it’s very disturbing.

Scribd Document

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:29:23pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Here it is if you want to read it. Be warned, it’s very disturbing.

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Stephen Miller could have written that.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:30:33pm

Yeah, fuck off alleged fraudster Dan Patrick.

Why don’t you ask the white supremacists from Dallas to stay out of El Paso? You can’t, they’re a critical part of your party’s voting base.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:35:40pm

re: #246 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yeah, fuck off alleged fraudster Dan Patrick.

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Why don’t you ask the white supremacists from Dallas to stay out of El Paso? You can’t, they’re a critical part of your party’s voting base.

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Hey Dan. If the Anti-Fascists do show up they can use whatever bathroom they please, that’s what really pisses you off.

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rhuarc  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:36:29pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

On top of being a coward by targeting unarmed people, in the end he was too much of a coward to end his own life despite saying he did not want to come out of this alive. What a pathetic piece of shit all around.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:36:43pm

re: #246 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yeah, fuck off alleged fraudster Dan Patrick.

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Why don’t you ask the white supremacists from Dallas to stay out of El Paso? You can’t, they’re a critical part of your party’s voting base.

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Gaslighting douches

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:38:20pm

And now the conspiracy theorists are already swarming Twitter, claiming things like “the Deep State working with the CIA orchestrated this so the Democrats can initiate their gun-grabbing agenda.”

Our nation is in real trouble if thirty percent of our population lives in delusions.

I’m expecting the “crisis actors” trope next. The only crisis actors are conservatives and their fear of gun-grabbing liberals and hordes of brown people swarming their towns.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:39:40pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Here it is if you want to read it. Be warned, it’s very disturbing.

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The right is going to insist his criticism of corporations and the GOP means he’s a lefty

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:40:05pm

re: #248 rhuarc

On top of being a coward by targeting unarmed people, in the end he was too much of a coward to end his own life despite saying he did not want to come out of this alive. What a pathetic piece of shit all around.

He now gets to play martyr in court.

And all it takes is one juror who agrees with him to result in a mistrial.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:45:24pm

re: #246 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yeah, fuck off alleged fraudster Dan Patrick.

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Why don’t you ask the white supremacists from Dallas to stay out of El Paso? You can’t, they’re a critical part of your party’s voting base.

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Antifa flyer somehow found by this conservative, of something that might happen in the future, involving weapons those claiming to be part of the group don’t use. “Don’t look at this guy as being a white person who’s inspired by Trump. Look at Antifa as arglebargle.”

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:47:56pm

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹🎃

He now gets to play martyr in court.

And all it takes is one juror who agrees with him to result in a mistrial.

It’s Texas. They so enjoy state sponsored murder that they’ll even kill whites. He’ll end up pleading out to avoid the death penalty.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:49:35pm

Terrorism expert Kayyem expresses complete disgust with El Paso mass shooting: Just ‘another American weekend’ (Goes to Raw Story)
(interview with Wolf Blitzer video included)

“You know me, Wolf, I don’t shy away from having this discussion,” said Kayyem. “Weaponry that can kill people very quickly is a purely American phenomenon. And so that’s something I’m looking at, in terms of what was the weaponry, and obviously what was the legal status of that weaponry. But that’s a lot of people down very quickly. Generally, that is not a handgun.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:51:02pm

re: #254 William Lewis

It’s Texas. They so enjoy state sponsored murder that they’ll even kill whites. He’ll end up pleading out to avoid the death penalty.

Or if he’s really committed to this, he’ll make himself a martyr. Others who have done things like this have also done so.

We’ll have to see.

The state may also choose not to allow a plea agreement and go for a trial, because Texas loves itself some death penalty.

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fern01  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:52:41pm

misread that

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:52:47pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:52:55pm

re: #243 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Then the surgeon came by and told me “It’s my custom to offer prayer for my patients before we start. Do you have any special request for prayer?”

I told him I put my trust in his experience and long years of study. That was enough for me. He was sort of taken aback by that, but thanked me before I was wheeled out.

In recovery, one of the nurses told me he’d never seen that doc so upset by what he regarded as a refusal to pray with him before.

Protip: Piss off the surgeon after he closes. Otherwise, whatever makes him calm and collected.

Same rule in daily life—don’t talk politics with a Southern barber until he’s returned the straight razor to the sterilizer.

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BlueGrl21  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:55:57pm

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Or if he’s really committed to this, he’ll make himself a martyr. Others who have done things like this have also done so.

We’ll have to see.

The state may also choose not to allow a plea agreement and go for a trial, because Texas loves itself some death penalty.

We’ll kill him unless he can prove insanity and it will take a lot to pull that off.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:56:53pm

Thread: Breitbart is already spreading the “gang violence” nonsense, fake accounts are appearing on social media with the alleged mass-murder’s name (thanks, media, for putting his name out there in your rush for $$$), &c.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 3:59:47pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:01:44pm

Time for the sweet meteor of death to come in from the Oort cloud, do some cleansing, and leave the planet to go through another evolutionary reset.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:01:58pm

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Or if he’s really committed to this, he’ll make himself a martyr. Others who have done things like this have also done so.

We’ll have to see.

The state may also choose not to allow a plea agreement and go for a trial, because Texas loves itself some death penalty.

The urge to kill another person will rub up against the urge to make this white person killing because of racism get out of the news.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:04:04pm

re: #263 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Time for the sweet meteor of death to come in from the Oort cloud, do some cleansing, and leave the planet to go through another evolutionary reset.

I’m not letting humans off that easy. If they’re going down, it’s going to be their fault, not nature.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:06:15pm

Sorry, Governor. It was not senseless.

We know exactly how white supremacists or any other terrorist is radicalised on line through agitprop.

Rather than senseless, it is almost certain.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:08:04pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:08:20pm

Meanwhile back on Planet Wingnut;

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:09:07pm

re: #265 Belafon

I’m not letting humans off that easy. If they’re going down, it’s going to be their fault, not nature.

Well, between climate change and dipshit’s destruction of societal norms and treaties, it could be the fault of the hairless apes; I live at a ground zero, a nuclear strike and I go up in a puff of smoke, no post-apocolyptic life for me. That works, too.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:11:40pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Not quite the “typical” RWNJ—he puts a lot of text to anti-corporate and environmental rant. That sort of thing shows up occasionally on Freep, but it’s not classical freakazoid.
OTOH, there is a strong flavor of shielding the RW in the admission. Need to know more about The Great Replacement.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:12:26pm

re: #269 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well, between climate change and dipshit’s destruction of societal norms and treaties, it could be the fault of the hairless apes; I live at a ground zero, a nuclear strike and I go up in a puff of smoke, no post-apocolyptic life for me. That works, too.

I’m surrounded by ICBMs so I’ll get quite a fireworks show.

I imagine every one of them is targeted in return. They’re not hidden (you can even find the locations on Wikipedia).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:12:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:14:04pm

This.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:14:59pm

re: #271 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m surrounded by ICBMs so I’ll get quite a fireworks show.

I imagine every one of them is targeted in return. They’re not hidden (you can even find the locations on Wikipedia).

Relax—they’re targeted several times over. Even our small tactical nuke command in Italy had two 500KT IRBMs assigned from Hungary.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:16:32pm

re: #272 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Great, a shield volcano turning into an explosive one. Lots of luck to everyone live near it in Hawaii.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:18:07pm

And in Southeast Wingnut:


Florida’s new Board of Education chairman: “I won’t support any evolution being taught as fact at all in any of our schools.
(BoingBoing)

A surefire way to tell if someone is a liar and/or ignorant about science is if they say a scientific theory is “only a theory,” like it’s a guess or a hypothesis and not a factual framework. That’s exactly what Florida’s new Board of Education chairman, a citrus farmer named Andy Tuck, said about the theory of evolution when he was the vice-chairman:

“As a person of faith, I strongly oppose any study of evolution as fact at all. I’m purely in favor of it staying a theory and only a theory. I won’t support any evolution being taught as fact at all in any of our schools.”

Tuck was appointed by Florida Governor Rick Scott.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:19:22pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Relax—they’re targeted several times over. Even our small tactical nuke command in Italy had two 500KT IRBMs assigned from Hungary.

My wife’s plan is to set up lawnchairs and popcorn if the ICBMs around here go up.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:19:39pm

No targets here but we’re directly downwind from the Dakota missiles. It’ll be a shitty death from the fallout induced radiation sickness.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:19:41pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

Obviously the GOP thinks we fought on the wrong side in WWII.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:20:29pm

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife’s plan is to set up lawnchairs and popcorn if the ICBMs around here go up.

Playlist: (It’s short.)

The Grateful Dead - Morning Dew with Clarence Clemons- 06-21-1989 - Shoreline - Mountainview, Ca

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:22:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:25:32pm

re: #278 William Lewis

No targets here but we’re directly downwind from the Dakota missiles. It’ll be a shitty death from the fallout induced radiation sickness.

Well, maybe Yellowstone will get us first.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:25:53pm
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fern01  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:29:14pm

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Sorry, Governor. It was not senseless.

We know exactly how white supremacists or any other terrorist is radicalised on line through agitprop.

Rather than senseless, it is almost certain.

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Democratic Governors/Presidents are always considered fair game when they refuse to face reality. GOP governors just carry on regardless knowing they will always get the RW vote.

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fern01  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:32:30pm

re: #283 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And how many of them own guns? How many are willing to fight for gun control?

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Archangelus  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:33:24pm

Couldn’t decide on curse levels at first - language I wanted to use originally would probably have gotten me suspended…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:35:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:37:20pm

re: #286 Archangelus

Couldn’t decide on curse levels at first - language I wanted to use originally would probably have gotten me suspended…

+1 for the gif.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:38:07pm
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Archangelus  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:40:33pm

re: #288 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That one’s too good not to put to use.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:43:35pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:45:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:47:12pm

re: #291 Dave In Austin

They could at least let him sweat for awhile.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:49:49pm

A question during the El Paso press conference referred it to a “right wing manifesto”.

Good, finally, the deplorable snowflake ceiling might finally be broken.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:51:20pm

re: #294 b.d.

A question during the El Paso press conference referred it to a “right wing manifesto”.

Good, finally, the deplorable snowflake ceiling might finally be broken.

And Abbott pivots to mental illness…….

Here come the lone wolves…….

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:51:23pm

My dad has really started watching Faux in the last year or so, goes so far as to record “The Five” on weekdays to watch later.

While I was catching up on this thread, I made mention of this shooting as he’s in the middle of watching something on NatGeo tonight.

First question? “What color was the shooter?”

“White.”

He seemed to think a sec. “Mental illness.”

In my best dry sarcasm, I responded “Sure are a lot of white guys with mental illness running around with guns.”

He didn’t hesitate to tell me “There’s a lot of mentally ill people out there, doesn’t matter what color they are.”

*siiiiiiiiiiigh*

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:52:52pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

And the white ones are killing people at stores, concerts, and churches.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:53:42pm
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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:54:24pm

re: #298 Belafon

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damn

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:55:43pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:56:44pm

re: #246 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yeah, fuck off alleged fraudster Dan Patrick.

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Why don’t you ask the white supremacists from Dallas to stay out of El Paso? You can’t, they’re a critical part of your party’s voting base.

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“Don’t politicize this!” ///

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:57:07pm

[…]

The State of Texas will be seeking Capital Murder charges against the suspect. Emerson Bowie, the FBI Special Agent in Charge says the FBI is investigating all evidence to determine if the shooting will be considered a possible hate crime.

[…]

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:57:10pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

And there are mentally ill people in other countries.

a) They don’t have mass shootings
b) It stigmatises the mentally ill, who are far more often the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:57:26pm

I guarantee if the terrorist was Hispanic, there would be a call by Fox News, Brietbart, Daily Wire, and Prager U to purge America of it’s Hispanic population.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:58:12pm

Probably the book cited in the shooter’s manifesto as he turning point in his thinking:

en.wikipedia.org

Also echoes the Charlottesville nazis’ “Will not replace us” chant.
Addendum: The title was also the title of the Christchurch killer’s manifesto.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:58:58pm

re: #298 Belafon

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 4:59:28pm

Sorry, my swiss cheese memory left out the part that came before the declaration of “mental illness,” namely that my dad initially shook his head and sighed when he heard about another shooting. Then I told him about the manifesto, that it declared there was an “Hispanic invasion” and the white dude had to do something about it. That was what prompted the declaration of “mental illness.”

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:00:22pm

re: #304 DodgerFan1988

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I guarantee if the terrorist was Hispanic, there would be a call by Fox News, Brietbart, Daily Wire, and Prager U to purge America of it’s Hispanic population.

That’d be tough in El Paso. After local law enforcement purges all the civilians, they’ll have to call in some Feds to purge all the local law enforcement.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:00:39pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:01:17pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Probably explains the reports of “multiple shooters in custody.”

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:01:39pm

re: #298 Belafon

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I’m not sure what kind of book could change the entire nation’s thinking on the gun issue but I am sure that Stephen King could write it.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:02:25pm

re: #305 Decatur Deb

Probably the book cited in the shooter’s manifesto as he turning point in his thinking:

en.wikipedia.org

Also echoes the Charlottesville nazis’ “Will not replace us” chant.
Addendum: The book title was also the title of the Christchurch killer’s manifesto.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:03:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:03:26pm

Other than Twitter, no official word from the Very White House yet.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:03:42pm
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Dave In Austin  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:04:52pm

re: #304 DodgerFan1988

Laid or Never Been Laid???

That will be a big question….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:06:10pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:09:29pm

I can’t say I’m surprised that wingnuts have been conditioned to reflexively believe that acts of violence motivated by the very things they constantly scream about…are the result of mental illness. I just wish they’d practice a little self-realization and acknowledge they’re all mentally ill when they push shit like there being an “Hispanic invasion.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:10:08pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:12:53pm

re: #317 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Cue wingnut screaming about calling a white guy a terrorist.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:13:04pm

re: #304 DodgerFan1988

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I guarantee if the terrorist was Hispanic, there would be a call by Fox News, Brietbart, Daily Wire, and Prager U to purge America of it’s Hispanic population.

Nobody would be talking about “mental illness”.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:13:53pm

This f*cking *sshole. The terrorist’s manifesto sounds exactly like Congressman’s Tweets about “Hispanic invasion.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:15:50pm

re: #304 DodgerFan1988

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I guarantee if the terrorist was Hispanic, there would be a call by Fox News, Brietbart, Daily Wire, and Prager U to purge America of it’s Hispanic population.

If he were Hispanic, they’d be calling these the first shots in an “invasion.”

If he were black, they’d be blaming the shooting on Antifa, BLM, and/or gang violence.

And if he were Arabic, they’d immediately call it terrorism.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:18:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:18:47pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:19:02pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

Cue wingnut screaming about calling a white guy a terrorist.

Any dude that kills 20 people and has a manifesto IS A FUCKING TERRORIST.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:19:36pm
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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:20:01pm

White men= “senseless tragedy”
Dark skin = “thugs criminals illegals terrorists

These right wing assholes are evil.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:20:05pm

If that shooter is insane then so is the President and his cheerleaders.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:20:33pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:20:58pm
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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:21:14pm

F*ck you, you piece of sh*t! White supremacy is a national security issue!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:21:51pm

I regret the events in El Paso, Texas, neighboring town and brother of Ciudad Juarez and our nation. I send my condolences to the families of the victims, both American and Mexican.
The SRE and our consulate are acting and providing support.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:22:16pm

re: #332 DodgerFan1988

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F*ck you, you piece of sh*t! White supremacy is a national security issue!

Yes, Mike

YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE!

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:22:54pm

Wingnuts are quick to claim shootings like this happen due to “mental illness,” but act like a vampire exposed to a silver cross the moment you suggest that there be any real barrier between the mentally ill and firearms.

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austin_blue  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:23:55pm

re: #323 Targetpractice

If he were Hispanic, they’d be calling these the first shots in an “invasion.”

If he were black, they’d be blaming the shooting on Antifa, BLM, and/or gang violence.

And if he were Arabic, they’d immediately call it terrorism.

If this is not terrorism, driving 500 miles from DFW to El Paso to shoot brown people in a Wal-Mart, then what could it possibly be? A road trip for shits and grins?

This is a premeditated act by a fanatic, inspired by ravings of the POTUS and the inaction of the Senate Majoriy Leader. Full stop.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:24:25pm

OUR MULTIPLE RANDOM FANS WHO HAVE BEEN REACTING TO OUR CONSTANT CALL TO ARMS ARE OBVIOUSLY INSANE AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHY…..IT’S PROBABLY THE DEMS FAULT

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:24:41pm

Yep, it’s confirmed.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:24:51pm

re: #325 Charles Johnson

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They immediately rush to smother the horrors of such shootings under a blanket of “thoughts and prayers” so that when you actually suggest they do something about it, they can accuse you of showing “disrespect” to the victims by not waiting an arbitrary period of time. How long is that period of time? However long it takes for the immediate spike of anger and outrage to die back down to the background hum of general disinterest.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:24:54pm
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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:27:33pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

Sorry, my swiss cheese memory left out the part that came before the declaration of “mental illness,” namely that my dad initially shook his head and sighed when he heard about another shooting. Then I told him about the manifesto, that it declared there was an “Hispanic invasion” and the white dude had to do something about it. That was what prompted the declaration of “mental illness.”

I will write a manifesto before robbing your dad’s house making sure to justify it.

//

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:28:01pm

re: #334 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, Mike

YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE!

Plenty of people arguing “lack of spiritual values” or “Christianity” is a problem as well.

They’re moving to blame this on atheists, just as they did with the AME Church shooting and the Sutherland Springs church shooting.

The very thing which outed me publicly here when I refuted a wingnut in the newspaper blaming mass shootings specifically on atheists.

On the other side, I got several phone calls from the area and SE Wyoming along with mailed cards thanking me for my letter. (One person in my town called thanking me for my letter but asked that I keep that person’s lack-of-faith quiet as that person saw what was happening to me and my wife).

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austin_blue  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:29:34pm

re: #339 Targetpractice

They immediately rush to smother the horrors of such shootings under a blanket of “thoughts and prayers” so that when you actually suggest they do something about it, they can accuse you of showing “disrespect” to the victims by not waiting an arbitrary period of time. How long is that period of time? However long it takes for the immediate spike of anger and outrage to die back down to the background hum of general disinterest.

If the rifle manufacturers say the correct period of time is “never”, and if your paycheck depends on agreeing with them, the correct answer is always “never”.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:30:32pm

To give folks a somewhat relevant update, it’s now been months since the shooting here in VA Beach at the seat of our own local gov’t. No new laws or regulations, whether at the state or local level, have even been brought up to address the tragedy that happened. Instead, we’ve had “listening sessions” and “group discussions” that have drawn criticism not for the lack of action…but the cost of conducting them on gov’t time.

And in an indictment of just how little the public thinks of the investigatory powers of law enforcement these days, the city finally had to bow to public pressure and hire a private company to look into the circumstances surrounding the shooting.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:30:38pm

re: #324 Joe Bacon 🌹

But that person is asking for a change in the laws of physics.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:32:22pm

And the ratio on Romney is awesome.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:33:36pm

re: #339 Targetpractice

They immediately rush to smother the horrors of such shootings under a blanket of “thoughts and prayers” so that when you actually suggest they do something about it, they can accuse you of showing “disrespect” to the victims by not waiting an arbitrary period of time. How long is that period of time? However long it takes for the immediate spike of anger and outrage to die back down to the background hum of general disinterest.

More than that: They also deflect the blame to anyone but the hateful religion of conservatism. Liberals. Antifa. Black Lives Matter. Muslims. Mentally ill people. Video games. Atheists. Films. You’re taking statements out of context.

Flood the zone with as much bulkshyte as possible to make it impossible to refute all the claims.

That isn’t foreign interference (though I imagine there is some). That is the Gish Gallop of religious apologetics.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:33:44pm
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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:34:52pm

We’re going to have to have over 40000 people killed in mass shootings per year before anything will happen. Between apathy and stupidity this country is fucked.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:34:56pm

Has Trump Jr. tweeted out anything demeaning the victims yet?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:35:08pm

re: #348 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oooooo!!! I know this one! I know this one!!! Starts with a ‘T’, ends with a ‘rump’!

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:35:27pm

re: #348 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Mitt why don’t you ask the POTUS who has binders full of senseless and vile brutality?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:35:49pm

I also documented the vicious racist hate speech and comments advocating murder and genocide in Breitbart’s comments for years, with dozens of posts at Little Green Footballs. This has been building and getting worse for a long time.

Disqus does nothing about this.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:36:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:36:37pm

re: #346 Belafon

And the ratio on Romney is awesome.

Flipping the script:

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:37:43pm

Black Republicans booth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:38:59pm

There’s this guy who keeps telling people that those coming in are “criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” and we have to stop them because they bring crime and death and drugs and rape. Maybe he’s at least a bit responsible?

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:39:18pm

re: #348 Joe Bacon 🌹

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austin_blue  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:41:12pm

re: #349 Old Liberal

We’re going to have to have over 40000 people killed in mass shootings per year before anything will happen. Between apathy and stupidity this country is fucked.

Well, we already have over forty thousand gun deaths a year between murders and suicides. Doesn’t seem to have gotten Moscow Mitch off the schneid, has it.

But I get your point.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:41:12pm
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Archangelus  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:41:46pm

Crenshaw is such a fvcking hypocrite.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:43:22pm

re: #354 Charles Johnson

Disqus deflects by saying they provide a tool for Websites to use, and it’s their responsibility to moderate.

It is a violation of Di$qu$’$ term$ of $ervi¢e to $pread hate $peech, per$onal atta¢ks, $pam, &c. There is $ome rea$on I ¢an’t quite put my finger on why Di$qu$ won’t kick Deadbart off it$ $ervi¢e.

Over at Wonkette, they actively moderate now after the flood of porn spam, using volunteers at the site (Deep State Operatives).

Conservative and libertarian trolls and sealions whinge about “muh Freeze Peach” when the threat of the banhammer comes out.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:45:31pm

re: #358 b.d.

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He should ask Kris Kobach too.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:45:50pm

re: #362 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Disqus deflects by saying they provide a tool for Websites to use, and it’s their responsibility to moderate.

It is a violation of Di$qu$’$ term$ of $ervi¢e to $pread hate $peech, per$onal atta¢ks, $pam, &c. There is $ome rea$on I ¢an’t quite put my finger on why Di$qu$ won’t kick Deadbart off it’$ $ervi¢e.

Over at Wonkette, they actively moderate now after the flood of porn spam, using volunteers at the site (Deep State Operatives).

Conservative and libertarian trolls and sealions whinge about “muh Freeze Peach” when the threat of the banhammer comes out.

Methinks Koch AND Mercer Money is Manipulating Disqus

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:46:11pm

Should also be pointed out that if the shooter were Arabic, not only would this have been deemed “terrorism” within minutes of his identity being made public, but we’d already be knee-deep in “serious” pundits suggesting arguing for a new round of “anti-terror” laws and travel bans.

But it’s a white guy opening fire in a crowded store, so we can only hope for navel-gazing introspection about “mental illness” and (coming soon) “violent rhetoric” that is the fault of “both sides.”

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Dave In Austin  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:46:11pm

re: #338 Charles Johnson

So what you’re saying is, They are not keeping us safe….. (Where have I heard that before??)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:46:38pm

re: #361 Archangelus

Crenshaw is such a fvcking hypocrite.

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I gave Crenshaw a benefit of a doubt because he’s a disabled vet but he’s a right wing hack.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:49:34pm

OT I just got this e-mail from The Washington Post. The title story is about one woman and the work she did for Cambridge Analytica involving the election of DT.
washingtonpost.com

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Old Liberal  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:50:31pm

re: #359 austin_blue

Well, we already have over forty thousand gun deaths a year between murders and suicides. Doesn’t seem to have gotten Moscow Mitch off the schneid, has it.

But I get your point.

Right. That’s why i say 40000 from mass shootings only. 40000 from all shootings isnt enough. PER YEAR.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:50:41pm

And yeah, look for that to be the talking point making the rounds tomorrow now that it’s pretty much confirmed that this is another shooting by a white guy with a white nationalist manifesto: “Violent rhetoric.” Why? Because the “neutral” press can’t possibly nail down their wingnut guests for pushing racism and bigotry, because those guests would refuse to ever come back. So we’ll get suggestions that “both sides” need to do something about the “violent rhetoric” from their followers, with liberal guests told they need to stop hating so much on Trump in order to “lower the temp/volume/etc.”

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:51:37pm

The bodies are not even cold and this right-wing nutjob double down on the anti-immigrant hate. Go to hell, John!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:53:10pm

re: #371 DodgerFan1988

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The bodies are not even cold and this right-wing nutjob double down on the anti-immigrant hate. Go to hell, John!

1 in 14 = 7%. Not nothing, but sending them back doesn’t empty the prisons.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:53:36pm

re: #371 DodgerFan1988

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:53:47pm

re: #371 DodgerFan1988

The bodies are not even cold and this right-wing nutjob double down on the anti-immigrant hate. Go to hell, John!

In that thread there is also a person dogwhistling murder as the answer.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:54:27pm

re: #373 I Would Prefer Not To

1 in 14 = 7%. Not nothing, but sending them back doesn’t empty the prisons.

Conservatives: We were told there would be no math.

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451_Montag  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:58:46pm

re: #355 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Flipping the script:

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That’s absolutely the point. When terrorists attached the U.S. every single republican was asking why Obama didn’t say ‘Islamic Terrorist’ with every breath. Every moment on tv, daytime they spoke.

Why the dems don’t do it. Every time they are asked, just say why isn’t Trump saying ‘White supremacist terrorism’, call it this when talking about it. Even make up an initilalism like WST. Hang the name around the repubs.

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gwangung  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:59:08pm

re: #373 I Would Prefer Not To

1 in 14 = 7%. Not nothing, but sending them back doesn’t empty the prisons.

Not that much higher than the percentage in the population, is it?

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 5:59:19pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:00:47pm

re: #371 DodgerFan1988

Is anyone arguing that convicted criminals who are here illegally get to stay? Nope. Asylum seekers who aren’t breaking the law deserve a hearing before an immigration court. That’s the argument.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:01:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:02:22pm

Dana Loesch all over her feed now doing what she’s paid to do:

a) deflect
b) offer saccharine “God Bless” statements to every angry post.

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:02:27pm

re: #317 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Oh I see this was already posted
Ignore me

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:02:33pm

re: #377 451_Montag

That’s absolutely the point. When terrorists attached the U.S. every single republican was asking why Obama didn’t say ‘Islamic Terrorist’ with every breath. Every moment on tv, daytime they spoke.

Why the dems don’t do it. Every time they are asked, just say why isn’t Trump saying ‘White supremacist terrorism’, call it this when talking about it. Even make up an initilalism like WST. Hang the name around the repubs.

I saw Charles Pierce point out the very reason yesterday: Because the Dem leadership is composed largely people who were either in office or elected in the immediate years after Ronnie won with the help of “Reagan Democrats.” Ever since then, there has been a party-wide aversion to any policies or proposals that would risk angering the “white working class” that the party has desperately been trying to win back. So they won’t go after Trump with such attacks because they greatly fear turning off white voters by doing so.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:02:56pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

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There really isn’t a difference between Stormfront and Breitbart. The former is more honest I guess.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:03:00pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Hispanics/Latinos can be White.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:04:12pm

re: #386 Patricia Kayden

Hispanics/Latinos can be White.

Yep. Hispanic is a cultural designation not racial.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:04:33pm

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:04:52pm

re: #356 Skip Intro

Extremely light skinned Blacks. Lol!

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:05:01pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

There really isn’t a difference between Stormfront and Breitbart. The former is more honest I guess.

It’s really a matter of timing. Stormfront came to be in the early years of the ‘Net, when it was almost like a secret club that you had to know somebody to access. By the time Breitbart came around, there was no need to hide that shit, so long as you knew the right “buzzwords.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:05:35pm

re: #389 Patricia Kayden

Extremely light skinned Blacks. Lol!

Severe melanin deficiency.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:06:00pm

Knock-off effect of conservative hatred:

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:07:52pm

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:08:28pm

re: #356 Skip Intro

Black Republicans booth.

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At least the guy standing outside the booth might get a bit of a tan. That might help.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:09:44pm

re: #392 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Knock-off effect of conservative hatred:

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This is so heartbreaking.

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451_Montag  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:10:24pm

re: #384 Targetpractice

I saw Charles Pierce point out the very reason yesterday: Because the Dem leadership is composed largely people who were either in office or elected in the immediate years after Ronnie won with the help of “Reagan Democrats.” Ever since then, there has been a party-wide aversion to any policies or proposals that would risk angering the “white working class” that the party has desperately been trying to win back. So they won’t go after Trump with such attacks because they greatly fear turning off white voters by doing so.

I’m sure that’s the case, but it is leading to very a uncomfortable place. With Trump something has to be done to just change the idea of a dem response should be.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:10:40pm

re: #393 Patricia Kayden

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Ah yes, I look forward to yet again being told that because I play violent video games on occasion, I’m a ticking time bomb who could snap at any time.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:10:57pm

re: #365 Targetpractice

When it was Fort Hood and the Boston Marathon, individuals radicalized by reading material online and adopting the argument frame of terrorist groups were terrorists.

When it’s white dudes reciting from a recognizable menu of white supremacist talking points used to justify terror acts…it’s mental illness.

Thing is, in a better world I would argue that there’s a lot of nuance in the gulf between the shitty rhetoric and the shitty actor, because a lot of folks adopt external narrative elements to feed something already present inside them (ideology sublimating existing tendencies)…so the line between “fucked up individual thinking” and “terrorist ideology” should be blurry.

But where we stand, there’s a fundamental distinction that’s all bad faith—what kinds of people get to be damaged; what kind of violent rhetoric is a threat unto itself, while another is “free speech” that is acceptably part of the discourse. This is systemic white supremacy at its most visceral, the fruiting body of a general process in which white people are separate and distinct from “the other,” and acts directly driven by whiteness are still individual acts, while any act by “the other” involves collective blame. It doesn’t matter what people say they believe, even what they believe they believe, when these kinds of mycelium…these undergirding assumptions…are at play.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:13:29pm

re: #386 Patricia Kayden

Hispanics/Latinos can be White.

So can Arab Muslims. Jews. Poles. Irish.

White in this country is “favoured group.” Anyone not in “favoured group” is not white.

Some people can never be white, no matter how much they conform or how rich they are.

“Racism” as a word only first appears in print in the XX Century. The concept existed far longer than that. (The reverse is also true: “spaceship” appeared in the XIX Century, a hundred years before we actually had them.)

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:14:03pm
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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:15:22pm
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jaunte  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:15:23pm

Carmine must support Trump for his brilliant trade negotiation skills.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:16:34pm

re: #401 Belafon

LOL

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:18:42pm

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:19:22pm

re: #401 Belafon

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If I chose being a Trekkie as opposed to a political junkie I’d probably be happier and have the same amount of political influence.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:19:45pm

Charles I tried to post the WaPo article about Cambridge Analytica and Brittany Kaiser the whistleblower whose story now come to light. For some reason I could not post the article under the pages section. I kept getting an error message. I will leave it where it is for now.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:20:45pm
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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:20:54pm

re: #406 PhillyPretzel

Charles I tried to post the WaPo article about Cambridge Analytica and Brittany Kaiser the whistleblower whose story now come to light. For some reason I could not post the article under the pages section. I kept getting an error message. I will leave it where it is for now.

Check and see if it has posted. People have been getting that error and resubmitting multiple times, only to see it posted more than once.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:21:42pm

re: #408 Belafon

Yep, it’s there three times. Do a browser refresh or open a new tab.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:21:52pm

re: #400 jaunte

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Any condemnation of white supremacists from a man who has called them “very fine people,” argued the meaning of “white nationalist,” and defended going after four minority women as “unAmerican,” would not in any way be taken seriously. The chance to be seen as not standing with these people came and went, Carmine. It’s time to accept that if you support Trump, you’re a white supremacist or you condone them. And you are judged by the company that you keep.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:22:40pm

re: #408 Belafon

Okay. Someone got to it before me.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:22:48pm

re: #405 b.d.

If I chose being a Trekkie as opposed to a political junkie I’d probably be happier and have the same amount of political influence.

Double dumb ass on you!

/Trekkie

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:24:29pm

It was until a douchecanoe racist drove from Dallas to make it deadly. El Paso has a much lower murder rate than Dallas.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:24:56pm

re: #400 jaunte

Trump is on record praising White Supremacists AFTER they murdered Heather Heyer. It’s too late for him to come out against them. We’re not all deplorable fools.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:25:04pm

re: #406 PhillyPretzel

Charles I tried to post the WaPo article about Cambridge Analytica and Brittany Kaiser the whistleblower whose story now come to light. For some reason I could not post the article under the pages section. I kept getting an error message. I will leave it where it is for now.

Charles, this is about the fourth time someone has had this happen, getting an error when submitting a page.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:25:20pm

re: #409 Belafon

Thanks. I got rid of the other 2. It should only one entry.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:27:12pm
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Cheechako  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:27:32pm

re: #415 Belafon

Charles, this is about the fourth time someone has had this happen, getting an error when submitting a page.

When I post a page I have to refresh my LGF open tab to check and see if the page posted.

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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:27:43pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
I eventually stopped following this stuff because nobody seemed to give a shit. Journalists didn’t care, despite my attempts to get them interested. Even liberals on Twitter were telling me to just ignore it and it would go away.

Now we see how well that plan worked.

I did notice that you posted less about these hate sites. I appreciated hearing about it (thank you), but I probably didn’t respond much because I found those sites too distressing to visit, and I felt helpless as to how to change any of it. I long ago decided that I was never going to be on Twitter, so I feel like I’m not fighting in those trenches. I’m kind of living vicariously through your Twitter feed and others.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:31:50pm

Abbott & Patrick blow it out your ass:

Please pardon the source

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:33:48pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:34:20pm

re: #384 Targetpractice

I saw Charles Pierce point out the very reason yesterday: Because the Dem leadership is composed largely people who were either in office or elected in the immediate years after Ronnie won with the help of “Reagan Democrats.” Ever since then, there has been a party-wide aversion to any policies or proposals that would risk angering the “white working class” that the party has desperately been trying to win back. So they won’t go after Trump with such attacks because they greatly fear turning off white voters by doing so.

It needs to be pointed out to them that it was the overwhelming support of black women who got them across the finish line in 2018.

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BigPapa  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:34:41pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

Hard to stomach how far we’ve come.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:34:52pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:35:01pm
[…]

UPDATE: 6:44 p.m. - Former El Paso Congressman and current U.S. Presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke is on his way to University Medical Center to meet with families of today’s shooting.

He will be speaking with KTSM after he meets with victims and their families.

UPDATE: 6:11 p.m. - Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador confirmed that three of the 20 victims killed in Saturday’s shooting are Mexican citizens.

[…]

UMC is where they took me when I was hit by a car. I don’t remember that visit, but I’ve seen El Paso before and since.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:35:17pm
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jaunte  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:37:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:37:48pm

re: #421 jaunte

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Yeah that’s not him.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:38:24pm

re: #420 b.d.

Abbott & Patrick blow it out your ass:

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And only 3 of the 11 involved non-white shooters. I’m beginning to sense a pattern…

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:39:14pm

re: #426 Charles Johnson

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I’m not sure how the time signatures work on twitter, but it looks like AMLO beat Trump.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:39:31pm

re: #422 stpaulbear

It needs to be pointed out to them that it was the overwhelming support of black women who got them across the finish line in 2018.

They’re focused right now on not repeating 2016 in winning the PV big but losing the EC in a handful of white-majority counties that carry the election by less than 1% of the vote.

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DangerMan  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:39:41pm
Donald Trump’s presidential golf costs have topped $110 million in his 2 1/2 years in office - more than $4 million more than a conservative group’s estimate for predecessor Barack Obama’s total travel costs over two full terms

(Huffpo)

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:39:48pm

The one truly annoying thing about a shooting like this (and oh, compared to dying this is a first world problem) is that so many winger tweets end up in my timeline because so many people I follow are responding to them.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:44:02pm

re: #421 jaunte

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It’s something hammered out in a hurry by an intern that might as well be a form letter by this point, printed out whenever a new mass shooting happens.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:44:40pm

JFC

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:45:45pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

JFC

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:46:13pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

JFC

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Of course.

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retired cynic  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:46:45pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

JFC

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Now you know why his family came out against him in the last election!

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:47:22pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

JFC

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My brother can be fearless and an army of one, and I wouldn’t give him alcohol, a gun, or endorse him for office.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:48:22pm
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jaunte  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:48:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:49:15pm

re: #441 jaunte

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He’s going to go after Joaquin next.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:52:41pm

re: #441 jaunte

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This is a MAGA killing.

They own this and the blood is on their hands.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:53:56pm

re: #426 Charles Johnson

Did that 8ch post from the alleged mass-murder go up the same night as Donald Trump’s Nuremberg Rally in Cleveland?

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gwangung  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:55:40pm

re: #440 Belafon

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He actually was a good guy with a gun.

But he had his head on straight and made it his priority to get children and other potential victims off to safety.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:55:51pm

re: #400 jaunte

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He won’t.

And Carmine will still vote for him because he’s Republican.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:56:09pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

JFC

They guy who in Arizona a huge chunk of his family made an advert endorsing his Democratic opponent because he’s such an ass.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:56:53pm

re: #427 jaunte

Joaquin Castro did.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:57:45pm

re: #448 Patricia Kayden

Joaquin Castro did.

I really wish his brother was polling better.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:58:19pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:58:40pm

This young man is serving his first term as a city councilperson in the second largest city in NM, which is about 30 miles from El Paso.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 6:59:13pm

re: #424 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’d love to repeal the 2nd Amendment or clarify that it doesn’t mean that every Tom, Dick and Harry is entitled to guns, especially those that can be fired in multiple rounds.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:00:53pm

re: #440 Belafon

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Courage right there.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:02:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:04:00pm

re: #422 stpaulbear

It needs to be pointed out to them that it was the overwhelming support of black women who got them across the finish line in 2018.

The Democratic Party is the party which reflects the diversity of the nation. It’s reflected in our voters, our candidates, and our platform.

Some candidates are better at getting that across than others, but they all should be trying to do that. Listen to what those groups have to say.

Everyone can’t get everything they want every time, but to swipe a conservative phrase and re-focus it:

“A rising tide lifts all boats when our party unties them from the docks.”

We want everyone’s boat to rise, they want to drown most of the boats.

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:13:52pm

re: #405 b.d.

If I chose being a Trekkie as opposed to a political junkie I’d probably be happier and have the same amount of political influence.

One CAN be both.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:19:47pm

re: #456 A Three Hour Tour

One CAN be both.

*raises hand*

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:19:58pm

re: #452 Patricia Kayden

I’d love to repeal the 2nd Amendment or clarify that it doesn’t mean that every Tom, Dick and Harry is entitled to guns, especially those that can be fired in multiple rounds.

Even the Heller case says that states can put limits on what sort of firearms are permitted. Wingnuts read the vindication of a single man in a specific case and claim it’s for everyone.

I want to first change 10 U.S. Code § 246. Militia: composition and classes. That is the law which defines the militia as a) the organised militia, being the National Guard and Naval Militia and and women citizens (only) who are part of the National Guard, and b) the unorganised militia, all men who are citizens or declared they will become citizens aged 17-45.

Statues are easier to change than amendments. The first problem with that section (b) up there is it fails on XIV Amendment equal treatment law regarding sex and gender. Also what about women non-citizen members of the National Guard, they aren’t part of the militia? They aren’t even mentioned in the Naval Militia.

It also fails for unequal treatment by age - by a strict reading of the law, anyone over 45 who is a man, or any woman who is not a member of the National Guard, is not a member of the militia, and therefore has no inherent right to bear arms under the II Amendment.

Men who are declared to become citizens are treated differently than women who have declared the same.

Exemption to membership in the militia is membership in the active duty Armed Forces or Reserves.

That law dates back to 1956 and is the basis of the Heller decision.

Repeal section (b).

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Interesting Times  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:24:15pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:24:40pm

We really need to have an adult discussion on what things do and don’t infringe on the right to bear arms.

You will never fucking convince me that the Founders wanted that Amendment to apply as broadly as Wingnuts say it does.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:26:04pm

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

We really need to have an adult discussion on what things do and don’t infringe on the right to bear arms.

You will never fucking convince me that the Founders wanted that Amendment to apply as broadly as Wingnuts say it does.

Agreed.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:27:33pm

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

We really need to have an adult discussion on what things do and don’t infringe on the right to bear arms.

You will never fucking convince me that the Founders wanted that Amendment to apply as broadly as Wingnuts say it does.

As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t really matter what they think. But we definitely need to have a real conversation about what to do about these killings.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:28:29pm

Or change b) to all citizens over the age of 21 who are enrolled on the militia list. Require removal from list for x y z.

Pass a separate law requiring a physical and psychological evaluation to be enrolled and a reenrollment clause requiring updated evaluations.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:28:35pm

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

We really need to have an adult discussion on what things do and don’t infringe on the right to bear arms.

You will never fucking convince me that the Founders wanted that Amendment to apply as broadly as Wingnuts say it does.

The Founders could never have conceived of the sorts of advanced weaponry we have now. Likewise with the I Amendment, they could not have conceived of the vast expansion of means of communications.

Wingnuts cherry-pick the Constitution the same way religious apologists cherry-pick holy books. “This section MUST be read plainly as I can have any firearm I want, right up to my own suitcase nuke.” That section regarding freedom of religion only applies to Christians.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:31:52pm

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

We really need to have an adult discussion on what things do and don’t infringe on the right to bear arms.

You will never fucking convince me that the Founders wanted that Amendment to apply as broadly as Wingnuts say it does.

I fully believe that they did. They were that scared of 1) standing armies and 2) slave uprisings. That there would be the level of firepower and nutjobs that exist today was what was they could not imagine.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:33:01pm

re: #463 William Lewis

Or change b) to all citizens over the age of 21 who are enrolled on the militia list. Require removal from list for x y z.

Pass a separate law requiring a physical and psychological evaluation to be enrolled and a reenrollment clause requiring updated evaluations.

I down for that.

As for twenty-one, the reason the militia law says seventeen is because a person can join the Armed Forces or National Guard at sixteen years and eleven months (with parental permission) or eighteen (without).

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:35:34pm

re: #463 William Lewis

Or change b) to all citizens over the age of 21 who are enrolled on the militia list. Require removal from list for x y z.

Pass a separate law requiring a physical and psychological evaluation to be enrolled and a reenrollment clause requiring updated evaluations.

All sounds reasonable to me.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:41:00pm

re: #454 Dave In Austin

That is hilarious! Love how French bulldogs look like miniature Boxer dogs.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:42:31pm

re: #462 Belafon

As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t really matter what they think. But we definitely need to have a real conversation about what to do about these killings.

As Jim Wright says, take the NRA’s own safety rules regarding safe handling and care of firearms and make those rules law, with significant penalties for breaking them.

The NRA’s firearms safety rules are actually pretty good. Tell them you’re doing them a favour by recognising all the hard work they did to develop safety rules for safe handling, so much so that those rules should become law.

Second, get rid of the “accidental discharge” myth. Unless the firearm mechanically failed while you were using it in a safe manner, there is no such thing as an accidental discharge, only negligent or reckless discharges or storage. Penalise those.

The March for Our Lives group has taken away the NRA’s chokehold on the conversation. Push them into a corner and make them accept their own rules as law.

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:01:07pm

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

We really need to have an adult discussion on what things do and don’t infringe on the right to bear arms.

You will never fucking convince me that the Founders wanted that Amendment to apply as broadly as Wingnuts say it does.

The Founders wrote that Amendment at a time when we had no standing army, no national guard, no city police departments or county sheriffs or highway patrol… and it would have taken days to get a message to the capitol to summon help.

Back then in absolutely made sense for every house on every farm and in every small town to have firearms — they had no one but themselves and their immediate neighbors to defend against Indians, bears, slave uprisings and Canadians (not necessarily in that order).

But that was then, and this is now.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:06:10pm

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

We really need to have an adult discussion on what things do and don’t infringe on the right to bear arms.

You will never fucking convince me that the Founders wanted that Amendment to apply as broadly as Wingnuts say it does.

If you read their debates over the 2nd amendment, they were more concerned with who would be exempt from militia duty since they didn’t want to create a large standing army.


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