New Report: Trump Pressured Rex Tillerson to Get the DOJ to Drop Charges Against a Client of Rudy Giuliani

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Well, we already knew former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson considered Donald Trump “a fucking moron,” but now we know another of the reasons why Tillerson bailed out sooner than most of Trump’s cronies: because Trump pressured him to get the DOJ to drop charges against a Turkish money launderer who just happened to be a client of, wait for it, Rudy Giuliani.

President Donald Trump pressed then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to help persuade the Justice Department to drop a criminal case against an Iranian-Turkish gold trader who was a client of Rudy Giuliani, according to three people familiar with the 2017 meeting in the Oval Office.

Tillerson refused, arguing it would constitute interference in an ongoing investigation of the trader, Reza Zarrab, according to the people. They said other participants in the Oval Office were shocked by the request.

Tillerson immediately repeated his objections to then-Chief of Staff John Kelly in a hallway conversation just outside the Oval Office, emphasizing that the request would be illegal. Neither episode has been previously reported, and all of the people spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the conversations.

I’m finding it difficult to keep up with all of this criming by the president* of the US.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:08:42pm

It would be shocking if Trump did something legal.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:14:09pm

Why has Tillerson been sitting on this?

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:14:09pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:14:54pm
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:18:08pm

re: #2 jaunte

DT has “the goods” on him.

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Egregious Philbin  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:18:20pm

Rex is gonna be such a fun witness during the impeachment hearings…

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:19:09pm
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DodgerFan1988  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:19:48pm

The cruelty is the point.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:23:20pm

The Amazing Jellyfish That Owned A Dancing Horse

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KGxvi  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:25:15pm

re: #3 Patricia Kayden

Interesting bits from that poll…

GOP approval rating - 40-55
Rudy Guiliani approval - 31-53
McConnell - 26-49

Do you think the Trump Administration is more corrupt, less corrupt, or about as corrupt as past administrations? 51-27-18 (Crazification factor on less corrupt!)

List of confidence in people and institutions:
FBI 69-28
Supreme Court 68-30
CIA 66-31
Media 47-51
Congress 45-53
Trump 43-56

Only 38% think the economy is getting better. 37% think it’s getting worse, and 20% saying it’s staying about the same.

Only 26% are not at all concerned about Trump’s dealings with Ukraine. 51% are very or extremely concerned.

Also, among the 43% that don’t think he should be impeached and removed, there’s 8% that think he should be impeached but not removed. Meaning pro-impeachment trial is closer to 55% overall.

What’s more important to Trump, doing what’s best for him or what’s best for the country? Best for him 55-39

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TedStriker  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:26:13pm

re: #7 Patricia Kayden

Impeachment defense strategy: commit so many crimes that it’s impossible to investigate and prosecute them

— RegicidalHat (@Popehat) October 9, 2019

“Flood the zone”, indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:27:11pm

re: #8 DodgerFan1988

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The cruelty is the point.

I would love for a Kurd to remind him that his family wasn’t at Normandy or any battle.

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KGxvi  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:28:10pm

re: #10 KGxvi

Also, the numbers may be worse for Trump, the party ID in that poll was 48/40/12 D/R/I. Not sure that’s a particularly accurate party breakdown in 2019.

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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:28:28pm
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sizzzzlerz  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:30:44pm

re: #9 jaunte

So whatcha gonna do, Mittster? Wring your hands and do nothing or participate in our democracy?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:32:38pm

re: #15 sizzzzlerz

So whatcha gonna do, Mittster? Wring your hands and do nothing or participate in our democracy?

Hey Mitt is very concerned. He might even be disappointed.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:33:13pm

One now needs to wonder what the blowback will be from the Kurdish genocide as initiated by Trump. Our reputation is in the shitter and I wonder if it will even be possible to clean it up.

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garzooma  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:33:52pm

More details from Bloomberg:

Zarrab was being prosecuted in federal court in New York at the time on charges of evading U.S. sanctions against Iran’s nuclear program.

Translation: Trump was sabotaging efforts to contain Iran’s nuclear program by trying to spring Zarrab, thus encouraging others to evade U.S. sanctions.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:34:46pm
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sizzzzlerz  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:35:59pm

re: #8 DodgerFan1988

And the deaths? Merely an added courtesy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:37:08pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:37:41pm

ConcernBot 4.0 is concerned. Start voting or seriously talking about dealing with Trump Mitt and maybe I’ll start paying attention to the blather you emit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:40:42pm

Folks claim that Trump didn’t have a plan for the Kurds.

Now we know he DID have a plan and it’s…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:41:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:42:37pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She doesn’t care do u?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:42:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:44:28pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:44:47pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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I’d argue that what’s driving these polls isn’t so much people concerned about his crimes per se, but is instead his rants and increasingly unhinged behavior in response to the impeachment inquiry. The average American is a cognitive disaster, and it’s much easier for them to react to the spectacle of an angry lunatic madman mentally falling apart in response to stress than it is for them to digest the minutia of the actual controversy.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:45:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:45:57pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He literally called for Trump to be impeached today but reading is hard and watching TV where Trump isn’t getting the Dear Leader treatment is harder.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:46:24pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

I’d argue that what’s driving these polls isn’t so much people concerned about his crimes per se, but is instead his rants and increasingly unhinged behavior in response to the impeachment inquiry. The average American is a cognitive disaster, and it’s much easier for them to react to the spectacle of an angry lunatic madman mentally falling apart in response to stress than it is for them to digest the minutia of the actual controversy.

I definitely think Trump fatigue is a real thing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:47:04pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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If it was a difficult decision, he wouldn’t have decided it on a whim with Erdogan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:48:33pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:48:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:50:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:51:39pm

O_o

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:52:29pm

re: #34 Ace-o-aces

I guess this is what happens when you hump Trump too often. His stupid rubs off.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:52:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:52:52pm

re: #34 Ace-o-aces

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And I can claim Lou Dobbs sleeps with a Trump blow up doll.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:53:35pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Zagar and Evans.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:54:04pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ben of the Corn I recognize, who’s the blonde?

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:55:17pm

re: #41 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ben of the Corn I recognize, who’s the blonde?

How could you not recognize someone SO iconic? //
I think it is meghan McCain

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:55:25pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

And your claim is 100% true.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:55:51pm

To lighten the mood…. My dog loves discovering chipmunk holes. She shoves her nose in them, and then, if I let her, she starts to dig. I only let her if we’re off in the woods somewhere. One of her first discoveries was about 20 feet from our front door last year. Every walk begins with an inspection of that hole.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:55:53pm

re: #42 Jebediah, RBG

She’s John McCain’s daughter.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:56:00pm

re: #42 Jebediah, RBG

How could you not recognize someone SO iconic? //
I think it is meghan McCain

Considering that I don’t worship at the altar of the infinitely wise God-Emperor, none of the right-wing dipshits are what I’d call “iconic”.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:56:12pm

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:57:59pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

We’ll get upset about tan suits and mustard on hamburgers again.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:58:45pm

re: #44 Barefoot Grin

Please tell Ridge that the business owners in Manayunk also put out water bowls for the dogs. The dogs and their owners love it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:59:15pm

thecrimson.com

I confess I didn’t know about this but it does seem that the Kurds did in fact help the allies during WWII. More than Trump’s father did.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 9, 2019 • 4:59:23pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:00:29pm

re: #45 Ace Rothstein

She’s John McCain’s daughter.

Are you sure?
I only ask because I have never heard her mention that herself.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:00:45pm

re: #45 Ace Rothstein

She’s John McCain’s daughter.

I honestly didn’t recognize Meaghan. I only know Ben since he’s got one of the most punchable faces ever.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:01:22pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

I honestly didn’t recognize Meaghan. I only know Ben since he’s got one of the most punchable faces ever.

Still a distant second behind Ted Cruz.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:01:28pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

I honestly didn’t recognize Meaghan. I only know Ben since he’s got one of the most punchable faces ever.

His picture is next to the dictionary entry for backpfeifengesicht.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:01:43pm

re: #51 Ace-o-aces

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The I’m trying to be casual but I’m still an uptight douche who doesn’t tip waitstaff.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:02:25pm

re: #55 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

His picture is next to the dictionary entry for backpfeifengesicht.

He was made for that word. Someone in Germany must have known Ben’s doppelgänger.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:03:26pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

Here’s one not about Trump;

Look at this lineup, that’s some scattershooting.

Oh, and, every story until 6 months after his death will be about Trump….

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:03:41pm

re: #54 Feline Fearless Leader

Still a distant second behind Ted Cruz.

Al Franken: “I liked Ted Cruz more than his Republican colleagues, and I hated Ted Cruz.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:03:44pm

re: #54 Feline Fearless Leader

Still a distant second behind Ted Cruz.

Oh yeah and both add to it with their voices. Seriously conservatives it’s okay to admit Ben Shapiro’s a douche canoe. I do it for Bill Maher.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:04:08pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

In one of the Tom Baker “Dr. Who” episodes, he and his companion are being chased by Evil Henchmen on something like a moving sidewalk, except it works by accelerating you without giving you momentum.

The Doctor gets to the end and jumps off, and says to his companion, “I think the Conservation of Momentum is an important law and not to be trifled with, don’t you?”, so he dicks around with the mechanism and the Evil Henchmen don’t stop at the end of the slidewalk, but rather are thrown into the wall, knocking them out.

I always think of that when I’m on the slidewalks in airports…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:04:27pm

JFC

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:04:59pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

thecrimson.com

I confess I didn’t know about this but it does seem that the Kurds did in fact help the allies during WWII. More than Trump’s father did.

He was probably wondering whether he could change his name back to “Drumpf” if the Germans won.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:05:47pm

Looks like Trump has put an end of the US being part of foreign military alliances for a generation or two.

Good things the fine folks in Western Asia have short memories….

//

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Belafon  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:06:03pm

re: #7 Patricia Kayden

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:06:17pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:07:09pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Bill Maher, President Bush is on his show this week.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:07:22pm

re: #63 Blind Frog Belly White

He was probably wondering whether he could change his name back to “Drumpf” if the Germans won.

Probably. Meanwhile my German born Great Grandfather served on the rations board. Navy wouldn’t take my Grandfather due to an injury unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:08:26pm

re: #67 Ace Rothstein

Speaking of Bill Maher, President Bush is on his show this week.

That will be interesting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:09:23pm

Authorities say Maricopa County Assessor Paul Petersen’s fraudulent adoption enterprise left a trail of forged documents and violated U.S. and international laws.

Petersen operates an adoption law firm. For years, he has connected American families seeking to adopt with women from the Marshall Islands — but state and federal prosecutors say Petersen falsified documents and lied about the mothers’ residency so he could enrich himself.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:09:53pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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It’s really hard to even pretend to a decent person for him isn’t it?

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:11:10pm
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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:11:46pm

re: #67 Ace Rothstein

Speaking of Bill Maher, President Bush is on his show this week.

Why? Is he selling a new book of his “art” or is he raising funds for some soldiers that he got maimed?

Maher is a wuss, he only picks on people with less power than him, it will be a suckfest with one mildy tough question that Bush will swat away.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:13:42pm

re: #72 Disloyal Archangel

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They’re the wrong kind of Christians. Not Evangelical and they’re brown too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:14:47pm
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Belafon  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:14:55pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

I’d argue that what’s driving these polls isn’t so much people concerned about his crimes per se, but is instead his rants and increasingly unhinged behavior in response to the impeachment inquiry. The average American is a cognitive disaster, and it’s much easier for them to react to the spectacle of an angry lunatic madman mentally falling apart in response to stress than it is for them to digest the minutia of the actual controversy.

Ukraine, and now the Kurds, is something easy for them to understand.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:15:51pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

They’re the wrong kind of Christians. Not Evangelical and they’re brown too.

But I think that the Evangelical Bible Bingo had the Kurds alive and on the side of the good guys before Jesus comes back and kills everybody there?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:16:36pm

re: #77 b.d. (It’s all true)

But I think that the Evangelical Bible Bingo had the Kurds alive and on the side of the good guys before Jesus comes back and kills everybody there?

Ahhh true.

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Jay C  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:18:05pm

re: #18 garzooma

More details from Bloomberg:

Translation: Trump was sabotaging efforts to contain Iran’s nuclear program by trying to spring Zarrab, thus encouraging others to evade U.S. sanctions.

No, I think it was simply cronyism/corruption: Enforcing sanctions on financial dealings with Iran was a fundamental principle of US policy. Except when such dealings involved a client of the President’ pal. Tillerson just seemed slow to get the message. Or maybe too quick, which is why he bolted….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:18:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:19:12pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Brad needs to be arrested. This is so fucked up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:20:14pm

Gowdy climbed on board, right before the “Trump asked the SecState to get the AG to tell the DOJ to go easy on his buddy’s client” story broke.

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Belafon  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:20:49pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

Read my computer books.
Double up on Spanish.
Learn Arabic.
Learn bass music theory.
Write a book.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:21:10pm

re: #82 Blind Frog Belly White

Gowdy climbed on board, right before the “Trump asked the SecState to get the AG to tell the DOJ to go easy on his buddy’s client” story broke.

Could mean Rudy is going to go under the yuuuge bus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:21:17pm

re: #83 Belafon

Read my computer books.
Double up on Spanish.
Learn Arabic.
Learn bass music theory.
Write a book.

Do more work….

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:22:50pm

Overheard tonight:
[Translated] “He deserves to be vivisected for what he’s done to them. I hope he’ll burn alive.”
The speaker: a far-right Israeli and former Trump enthusiast.
The topic: Trump’s betrayal of the Kurds.
That’s how far he’s crossed the line with this act - he’s lost most on the Israeli right in a handful of days. No one in political power is trying to even remotely back him up, certainly not any of the politicians who were former military leaders. And it’s not like the left ever supported the MFer.
In this single act, he’s basically lost the whole country.

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William Lewis  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:23:06pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

I’ll go back to work on my theology book “Orthopraxy”.

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Cheechako  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:24:04pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

American productivity will massively increase as workers spend less time on their computers monitoring the trump fire.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:27:26pm
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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:29:52pm

re: #8 DodgerFan1988

As bad as Trump is, his supporters and the GOP are demonstrably worse.

They voted for the corruption, complicity, and continue to cover for Trump because they think Trump’s furthering their agenda. McConnell is covering for Trump daily, helping Trump evade the consequences of his actions, all while McConnell uses Trump’s judicial picks to pack the courts with the right wing extremists that are determined to undo decades of progress and protections.

But even Trump’s know nothing base is starting to realize that Trump’s actions are impeachable - that he engages in so much criminality he was bound to get impeached.

It’s going to take decades to redress the wrongs perpetrated by the GOP and Trumpworld.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:30:44pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:30:57pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:32:14pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I will be drinking and doing my best to ignore that he’s only 25 miles away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:32:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:32:25pm

The children of the future will ask you if you opposed this madness.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:33:56pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

We’ll have books, movies and tv shows revolving around Trump, recycled Hitler stories.

MAGA folks going to Brazil to raise a bunch of Trump cloned children.

Trump secretly escaped DC and is hiding in Paraguay.

Trump had a secret stash of gold hidden on his way to one of his MAGA rallies and the quest to find it!

How Trump was actually an ancient alien, etc. etc.

etc.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:34:11pm

This is a clear abrogation of Trump’s oath of office.

IS is a clear and present danger to the nation. It’s one of the reasons we’ve continued to have a presence in Syria, and why we are continuing military actions across the Middle East.

Releasing thousands of these detainees into the region would quickly enable IS to reconstitute itself and pose a threat to the US, Israel, Iraq, Syria, Kurds, Turkey, and everyone else in the region.

Trump is putting everyone in mortal peril with every awful decision he makes, and the one laughing all the way to the bank is Putin, who watches the US fritter away its power and influence under Trump who is retreating into a shell of stupidity to the cheers of his isolationist white nationalist base.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:34:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:35:34pm

re: #96 b.d. (It’s all true)

We’ll have books, movies and tv shows revolving around Trump, recycled Hitler stories.

MAGA folks going to Brazil to raise a bunch of Trump cloned children.

Trump secretly escaped DC and is hiding in Paraguay.

Trump had a secret stash of gold hidden on his way to one of his MAGA rallies and the quest to find it!

How Trump was actually an ancient alien, etc. etc.

etc.

Scholars are going to have a lot to study.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:36:44pm

re: #97 lawhawk

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This is a clear abrogation of Trump’s oath of office.

IS is a clear and present danger to the nation. It’s one of the reasons we’ve continued to have a presence in Syria, and why we are continuing military actions across the Middle East.

Releasing thousands of these detainees into the region would quickly enable IS to reconstitute itself and pose a threat to the US, Israel, Iraq, Syria, Kurds, Turkey, and everyone else in the region.

Trump is putting everyone in mortal peril with every awful decision he makes, and the one laughing all the way to the bank is Putin, who watches the US fritter away its power and influence under Trump who is retreating into a shell of stupidity to the cheers of his isolationist white nationalist base.

Someone should let his eurofascist allies know that.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:36:48pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Yeah, but that other guy didn’t have to lie about his crowd size.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:36:58pm

re: #96 b.d. (It’s all true)

We’ll have books, movies and tv shows revolving around Trump, recycled Hitler stories.

MAGA folks going to Brazil to raise a bunch of Trump cloned children.

Trump secretly escaped DC and is hiding in Paraguay.

Trump had a secret stash of gold hidden on his way to one of his MAGA rallies and the quest to find it!

How Trump was actually an ancient alien, etc. etc.

etc.

Obviously Trump is burying his gold horde under Melania’s new White House Tennis Court She Shed.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:37:53pm

re: #97 lawhawk

It’s really depressing to consider how much damage he’s doing in such a short time to US credibility that’s taken a century to build.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:38:04pm
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garzooma  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:38:07pm

re: #86 Disloyal Archangel

Overheard tonight:
“He deserved to be vivisected for what he’s done to them. I hope he burns alive.”
The speaker: a far-right Israeli and former Trump enthusiast.
The topic: Trump’s betrayal of the Kurds.
That’s how far he’s crossed the line with this act - he’s lost most on the Israeli right in a handful of days. No one in political power is trying to even remotely back him up, certainly not any of the politicians who were former military leaders. And it’s not like the left ever supported the MFer.
In this single act, he’s basically lost the whole country.

.

Wait until they find about him trying to spring an Iran sanctions buster.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:38:58pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

It’s really depressing to consider how much damage he’s doing in such a short time to US credibility that’s taken a century to build.

I weep for my niece and her generation.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:41:09pm

re: #105 garzooma

Wait until they find about him trying to spring an Iran sanctions buster.

Yeah that’ll lose him the Israeli right for good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:41:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:43:25pm
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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:44:37pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

It’s really depressing to consider how much damage he’s doing in such a short time to US credibility that’s taken a century to build.

Trump has accomplished what he set out to do. The world will never trust us again and our influence around the world is diminished for generations, at least. Trump wants the USA to focus on the USA and that is what we will have to do since we no longer have a credible voice on the world stage.

Sadly, Trump’s idea of focusing on the USA revolves around focusing on hating immigrants, people of color, poor people, sick people, folks that just think wrongly and doing drastic things about it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:48:01pm
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Jay C  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:50:19pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

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TBH, this seems like positive news: if Trump is having to call Moscow Mitch repeatedly to (one supposes) shore up GOP Senate “support” - by which I’m guessing they mean (in order of desirability):

1. Preemptive derailment of any Bill of Impeachment
2. Stonewalling of same to the same effect.
3. Vigorous blocking/delaying tactics if it comes to a Senate trial.
4. Promise of a bloc “No” Vote at trial
5. Promise of minimalized “Yes” votes as long as they don’t get to 67

The WH must have realized they’re screwed in the House, and are likely getting desperate to ensure an “exoneration” in the Senate.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:50:53pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lol, my guess is that Queen will make him take this down within the hour too.

The Minneapolis rally will be a sh*tshow, wait until he starts talking about how lousy the Kurds really were all of the time….

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:51:12pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

We’re going to be hearing about the damage Trumpworld did for years to come. Every time a court rolls back rights and protections. Every time we learn how much Trumpworld damaged the institutions of government. All the corruption and criminality that we’re prosecuting and continuing to uncover among Trumpworld figures…

But yeah, to have a normal president who does normal things. To not wake up in the morning watching dozens of Trump derp spewed while criming in full view.. that would be nice.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:51:18pm

Lre: #110 b.d. (It’s all true)

Trump has accomplished what he set out to do. The world will never trust us again and our influence around the world is diminished for generations, at least. Trump wants the USA to focus on the USA and that is what we will have to do since we no longer have a credible voice on the world stage.

Sadly, Trump’s idea of focusing on the USA revolves around focusing on hating immigrants, people of color, poor people, sick people, folks that just think wrongly and doing drastic things about it.

We were the biggest functioning democratic government in the world. He destroyed all that because he hated that Obama won and then walked and chewed gum and mocked him in the same night that the Seals got Bin Laden. Trump would be trying to make a deal with Osama by now.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:52:13pm
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mmmirele  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:52:13pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Utah has charged Petersen with crimes too:

sltrib.com

His clients were supposedly Mormons. I suspect Petersen is too, but I do not know. If you were running a racket like this, doing it among your fellow religionists is the way to go.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:53:11pm

re: #114 lawhawk

We’re going to be hearing about the damage Trumpworld did for years to come. Every time a court rolls back rights and protections. Every time we learn how much Trumpworld damaged the institutions of government. All the corruption and criminality that we’re prosecuting and continuing to uncover among Trumpworld figures…

But yeah, to have a normal president who does normal things. To not wake up in the morning watching dozens of Trump derp spewed while criming in full view.. that would be nice.

To just know the WH is in hands that care about the nation’s interests and not the pockets of its residence. To not see the same lying sacks of shit justifying the unjustifiable.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:54:11pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

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The Hamburglar is also present as is Colonel Sanders and maybe the cow from Chik a Fila.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:54:22pm

re: #112 Jay C

TBH, this seems like positive news: if Trump is having to call Moscow Mitch repeatedly to (one supposes) shore up GOP Senate “support” - by which I’m guessing they mean (in order of desirability):

1. Preemptive derailment of any Bill of Impeachment
2. Stonewalling of same to the same effect.
3. Vigorous blocking/delaying tactics if it comes to a Senate trial.
4. Promise of a bloc “No” Vote at trial
5. Promise of minimalized “Yes” votes as long as they don’t get to 67

The WH must have realized they’re screwed in the House, and are likely getting desperate to ensure an “exoneration” in the Senate.

PELOSI HELD A FAKE IMPEACHMENT VOTE, I WAS NEVER IMPEACHED AND THE SENATE PROVED THAT. NANCY IS A PHONY. I WAS NEVER IMPEACHED, I AM THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER AND I WAS NEVER IMPEACHED.

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Jay C  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:56:54pm

re: #120 b.d. (It’s all true)

PELOSI HELD A FAKE IMPEACHMENT VOTE, I WAS NEVER IMPEACHED AND THE SENATE PROVED THAT. NANCY IS A PHONY. I WAS NEVER IMPEACHED, I AM THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER AND I WAS NEVER IMPEACHED.

Upding for this quote. When I read it out loud, I can perfectly visualize the straitjacket…

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 5:58:58pm

re: #121 Jay C

Upding for this quote. When I read it out loud, I can perfectly visualize the straitjacket…

lol, that will be his stance, mark my words….

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:00:48pm

re: #114 lawhawk

May we live in interesting times, amirite?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:01:52pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

May we live in interesting times, amirite?

In a world where Boris Johnson and Brexit is the craziest thing actually happening…

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:03:38pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

May we live in interesting times, amirite?

Indeed.

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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:03:53pm

re: #90 lawhawk

As bad as Trump is, his supporters and the GOP are demonstrably worse.

They voted for the corruption, complicity, and continue to cover for Trump because they think Trump’s furthering their agenda. McConnell is covering for Trump daily, helping Trump evade the consequences of his actions, all while McConnell uses Trump’s judicial picks to pack the courts with the right wing extremists that are determined to undo decades of progress and protections.

But even Trump’s know nothing base is starting to realize that Trump’s actions are impeachable - that he engages in so much criminality he was bound to get impeached.

It’s going to take decades to redress the wrongs perpetrated by the GOP and Trumpworld.

This. Trump is too far gone in his own megalomania to see what he is and does.

So the real problem is every pig-person that voted for him, every pig-person that still supports him, and, above all, the motherfucking GOP establishment and machine that made Trump absolutely inevitable.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:04:45pm

Oh yeah, Trump was going to eliminate the debt in 8 years.

Trump’s increased the debt 68% in just 3 years. In a growing economy. This is due almost exclusively to his idiotic tax scam.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:04:58pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:06:54pm

re: #113 b.d. (It’s all true)

lol, my guess is that Queen will make him take this down within the hour too.

The Minneapolis rally will be a sh*tshow, wait until he starts talking about how lousy the Kurds really were all of the time….

Why the fuck can this shitbird hold a second hate-rally in a city where he hasn’t even paid the bills from his earlier hate-rally?

The local cops should threaten to put his ass in jail until he pays everything he owes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:08:13pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

Why the fuck can this shitbird hold a second hate-rally in a city where he hasn’t even paid the bills from his earlier hate-rally?

The local cops should threaten to put his ass in jail until he pays everything he owes.

Actually, that’s exactly why - because America has laws preventing us from putting debtors into prison. It’s a sound practice, but it leads to shit like this. And then the Mayor calls him out and the local Trump-humper population goes batshit.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:09:39pm

this is sooooo pitiful

I AM SO CLOSE TO BEING PRESIDENT JUST LIKE THAT FEVER DREAM OF GOD TALKING TO ME SAID, DON’T SCREW IT UP!!

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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:09:39pm

re: #127 lawhawk

Oh yeah, Trump was going to eliminate the debt in 8 years.

Trump’s increased the debt 68% in just 3 years. In a growing economy. This is due almost exclusively to his idiotic tax scam.

This is the one part of the shit show of the last 3 years that has nothing at all to do with Trump. This bit of stupid budget-busting is all on the Republican party.

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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:10:55pm

re: #130 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Actually, that’s exactly why - because America has laws preventing us from putting debtors into prison. It’s a sound practice, but it leads to shit like this. And then the Mayor calls him out and the local Trump-humper population goes batshit.

I agree that debtor prisons are a bad idea, but letting a known deadbeat rack up additional bills that will never be paid is also all kinds of fucked up.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:12:34pm

OH YES THE ATONEMENTS ARE DONE WE HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:12:39pm

re: #132 EPR-radar

But the lie is all Trump’s.

Trump campaigned on being able to eliminate the debt and to grow the economy at a rate above 3%.

His trade war has slowed the growth, and caused a recession in manufacturing.
The tax scam is on the GOP, but Trump claimed it would eliminate the debt with higher economic activity. That was a lie.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:13:14pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

Why the fuck can this shitbird hold a second hate-rally in a city where he hasn’t even paid the bills from his earlier hate-rally?

The local cops should threaten to put his ass in jail until he pays everything he owes.

Surely there are some vagrancy laws on the book that they can use?

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:13:20pm

re: #134 The Pie Overlord!

OH YES THE ATONEMENTS ARE DONE WE HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN.

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Oh noes. MOAR BAD STUFFS happened today didn’t it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:13:48pm

re: #110 b.d. (It’s all true)

Trump has accomplished what he set out to do. The world will never trust us again and our influence around the world is diminished for generations, at least. Trump wants the USA to focus on the USA and that is what we will have to do since we no longer have a credible voice on the world stage.

Sadly, Trump’s idea of focusing on the USA revolves around focusing on hating immigrants, people of color, poor people, sick people, folks that just think wrongly and doing drastic things about it.

The only actor in this drama is Putin. Trump is just a dumb tool whose tendencies toward bigotry, grifting, crime and corruption have no more agency behind them than tropisms in plants, like roots growing down or leaves growing toward light.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:14:11pm

re: #133 EPR-radar

I agree that debtor prisons are a bad idea, but letting a known deadbeat rack up additional bills that will never be paid is also all kinds of fucked up.

Yeah. If you’re a freelancer in any industry, you know better than this. You don’t do more work until you get paid.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:15:55pm

He probably doesn’t realize it but Trump has started a blood feud between the Kurds and the Republican Party. Such feuds are serious business indeed in that part of the world. For example, the one between Turks and Armenians has gone on for a century and still claims lives every year.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:19:15pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:19:33pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

He probably doesn’t realize it but Trump has started a blood feud between the Kurds and the Republican Party. Such feuds are serious business indeed in that part of the world. For example, the one between Turks and Armenians has gone on for a century and still claims lives every year.

Wouldn’t it be a shame if the Republican party got targeted blowback along those lines for the next century or so.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:20:37pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

The only actor in this drama is Putin. Trump is just a dumb tool whose tendencies toward bigotry, grifting, crime and corruption have no more agency behind them than tropisms in plants, like roots growing down or leaves growing toward light.

I regret that I won’t be around in 150 years or so to read books about what Putin really did.

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wrenchwench  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:22:14pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

He probably doesn’t realize it but Trump has started a blood feud between the Kurds and the Republican Party. Such feuds are serious business indeed in that part of the world. For example, the one between Turks and Armenians has gone on for a century and still claims lives every year.

Kurds have much more experience with this sort of thing than Republicans do.

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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:23:40pm

re: #112 Jay C

TBH, this seems like positive news: if Trump is having to call Moscow Mitch repeatedly to (one supposes) shore up GOP Senate “support” - by which I’m guessing they mean (in order of desirability):

1. Preemptive derailment of any Bill of Impeachment
2. Stonewalling of same to the same effect.
3. Vigorous blocking/delaying tactics if it comes to a Senate trial.
4. Promise of a bloc “No” Vote at trial
5. Promise of minimalized “Yes” votes as long as they don’t get to 67

The WH must have realized they’re screwed in the House, and are likely getting desperate to ensure an “exoneration” in the Senate.

Another possibly useful point is this — who could talk to Trump frequently and not get pissed off by his rampant stupidity? For the Demon Turtle, Trump is nothing but a tool, and irritating tools do get thrown out.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:24:04pm

re: #137 The Pie Overlord!

Oh noes. MOAR BAD STUFFS happened today didn’t it.

Yes…. including a terror attack in Germany against a shul and a Turkish restaurant.

At least two people have been killed in shootings at a number of locations in Germany, including near a synagogue in the city of Halle.

Local police have arrested one person but told people to “remain vigilant” on Wednesday afternoon.

Shootings were reported outside the synagogue, where an attacker attempted to break down the doors, at a nearby Turkish kebab shop and in a town about 10 miles away.

The alleged gunman in Halle broadcast his attack on the Twitch live-streaming video platform.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:27:31pm

Why would Trump ask Tillerson at the State Dept. to try and interfere with something at the Justice Dept.?

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:28:11pm

Too subtle?
From my FB

There is no truth to the rumor in California that the Trump administration will be distributing free rakes in wildfire zones that are under electricity blackouts. Free rakes would be socialism, not permitted.

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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:28:37pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:29:29pm

re: #147 Ace Rothstein

Why would Trump ask Tillerson at the State Dept. to try and interfere with something at the Justice Dept.?

Because he hadn’t totally corrupted Justice back then.

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William Lewis  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:30:27pm

re: #149 gocart mozart

New Who

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Video

Damn, those 2 still have it going good. Ringo jr is good on the drums too.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:30:41pm

It looks the shooter killed two random people when he couldn’t get inside the synagogue.

The synagogue that I have attended for 30 years now has a lock code on the doors which used to be open to everyone.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:30:48pm

re: #147 Ace Rothstein

Why would Trump ask Tillerson at the State Dept. to try and interfere with something at the Justice Dept.?

Because Jeff Sessions wouldn’t listen to Trump? Maybe Sessions was the most ethical of the whole gang?

Don’t make me say good things about that racist assh*le.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:31:12pm

re: #152 The Pie Overlord!

It looks the shooter killed two random people when he couldn’t get inside the synagogue.

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The synagogue that I have attended for 30 years now has a lock code on the doors which used to be open to everyone.

damn

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Decatur Deb  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:32:10pm

The improvisation of this return leg of the March of Folly has taken an unfortunate turn. We find the expedition camped a few hundred yards from the Mississippi. The plan to rush through to the Pensacola beaches for a few days of staring at the Gulf is no more-local schools have scheduled Fall Break, and all campsites are filled. Thus we find ourselves stuck here, two miles from the French Quarter, with no way to occupy the next two days.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:32:54pm

re: #152 The Pie Overlord!

Our shul has had a keyless entry system for the past few years. We have had police stationed outside for the holiday and other major events. But this year we even had a cop inside the building.

Fuck the right wing domestic terrorists and fuck Trump who enables this with his stochastic terrorism on a near daily basis.

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NetworkKed  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:33:35pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

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Of course Twitter has given Trump access to their shiny new tools. He’s their biggest draw right now, driving the most revenue. It’s just like the clusterfuck with Facebook’s ad policy being carved out to allow Trump to spend $millions every week to promote lies.

I’m not someone who thinks the “internet giants” should be broken up - maybe some closer monopoly regulation in some spaces but that’s a different animal - and I don’t like rules stomping down on end-user freedom of speech online. But the social media platforms are completely broken right now, with financial incentives directly opposed to social responsibility.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:33:52pm

THE PRESS IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!!!

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plansbandc  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:35:52pm

re: #151 William Lewis

The new tunes are really good. Dude likes them too. Very recognizably Who, but modern and different enough to be interesting. Good stuff.

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TedStriker  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:36:02pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Th improvisation of this return leg of the March of Folly has taken an unfortunate turn. We find the expedition camped a few hundred yards from the Mississippi. The plan to rush through to the Pensacola beaches for a few days of staring at the Gulf is no more—Local schools have scheduled Fall Break, and all campsites are filled. Thus we find ourselves stuck here, two miles from the French Quarter, with no way to occupy the next two days.

Maybe go into the French Quarter and also to the French Market, then eat, drink, and be merry?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:37:28pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
I think that blood feud won’t target Republicans as much as it puts a contract on the House of Trump - after all, not all Republicans are backing the president’s* actions.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:38:08pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:38:41pm

re: #160 TedStriker

Maybe go into the French Quarter and also to the French Market, then eat, drink, and be merry?

If it is to be our burden.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:38:52pm


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sagehen  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:40:18pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

He probably doesn’t realize it but Trump has started a blood feud between the Kurds and the Republican Party. Such feuds are serious business indeed in that part of the world. For example, the one between Turks and Armenians has gone on for a century and still claims lives every year.

I hope it’s just the Republican Party; I hope they don’t blame all of America.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:40:20pm

re: #162 Dread Pirate

Who wouldn’t trust her with eyes like that?

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TedStriker  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:40:23pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

If it is to be our burden.

I know, I’ve been there…It’s hard, it really is.

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makeitstop  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:40:28pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:40:47pm

re: #147 Ace Rothstein

Why would Trump ask Tillerson at the State Dept. to try and interfere with something at the Justice Dept.?

Multiple reasons, but probably mostly just because the prosecution involved a foreign national. Also the meeting reportedly happened in the second half of 2017, which would put it after Preet Bharara had been fired for refusing to take a call from Trump and after Rosenstein had appointed Mueller. Trump wanted to lean on SDNY but given how Preet left was probably aware at this point that calling Berman wasn’t a great idea. He was also furious that Sessions had recused himself from the Russia investigation and probably wasn’t feeling super confident about Rosenstein’s loyalty given the Mueller appointment. So, he reached out to Rex, who wisely said no fucking way.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:41:39pm

re: #162 Dread Pirate

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Guys who bomb a prison, sounds like someone we’d want to suck up to.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:43:57pm

re: #147 Ace Rothstein

Why would Trump ask Tillerson at the State Dept. to try and interfere with something at the Justice Dept.?

Because he doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:43:58pm

re: #168 makeitstop

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unsolicited admission of a crime, even Lou stumbled a bit at that one.

one of his hairs almost turned grey!

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:47:04pm

re: #124 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In a world where Boris Johnson and Brexit is the craziest thing actually happening…

I just want the queen to go all medieval on his ass, come out on the balcony of the palace and yell “Off with his head!”.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:48:02pm

...

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:49:26pm

re: #174 Eventual Carrion

I just want the queen to go all medieval on his ass, come out on the balcony of the palace and yell “Off with his head!”.

I’m sure MI6 has a spare double-0 lying about she could send On Her Majesty’s Secret Service…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:49:38pm

re: #175 The Pie Overlord!

A deepfake.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:49:48pm

re: #175 The Pie Overlord!

Fake, but accurate.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:50:34pm

re: #175 The Pie Overlord!

Think that’s a fake.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:51:57pm

re: #162 Dread Pirate

Operation Jericho, aka the Amiens Prison Raid
This was a broad daylight attack by RAF Mosquitoes and Typhoons on the Amiens prison in France during World War II. The idea was to breach the walls, allowing imprisoned French resistance fighters to escape. It worked but losses were high, including many prisoners, local civilians and RAF aircrew. It was serious derring-do at the time. Today it would be simple, especially if you didn’t particularly care if some of the inmates were killed in the process.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:52:26pm

Trump’s reaching Nixon levels of public support for impeachment and removal faster than Nixon did once the tapes became known.

Mazel tov. Trump’s done something no one else in our history has done (besides the treasoning from the WH itself).

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:53:40pm

Remember when Trump changed the policy after the outrage about those sick kids that were going to be deported to certain death? That policy hasn’t been changed.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:53:51pm

FLOTUS plays tennis while Kurds die.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:53:53pm

Yes he is a moron but he is a freaking evil moron.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:57:45pm

At this point, he’s just daring us to impeach him.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 6:58:21pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

Yes he is a moron but he is a freaking evil moron.

So, umm, let’s see… The obstructionist Republican Congress your predecessor was forced to work with had nothing to do with that?

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:00:03pm

re: #185 Ace-o-aces

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At this point, he’s just daring us to impeach him.

It’s going to get worse if he is impeached and not removed.

I’m going to do what I want to now, what are they going to do? Impeach me again?

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:01:06pm

re: #185 Ace-o-aces

Germany didn’t help us in WW2 either.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:01:47pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:01:54pm

re: #181 lawhawk

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Trump’s reaching Nixon levels of public support for impeachment and removal faster than Nixon did once the tapes became known.

Mazel tov. Trump’s done something no one else in our history has done (besides the treasoning from the WH itself).

And the fun hasn’t even really begun. Just imagine what his numbers will be after the House Judiciary Committee has Ambassadors Yavanovich and Taylor testify in public hearings.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:02:02pm

re: #188 Ace Rothstein

Germany didn’t help us in WW2 either.

He’s used that to attack Germany too.

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Belafon  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:02:07pm

re: #188 Ace Rothstein

Germany didn’t help us in WW2 either.

And we all know about the French. ///////

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:02:22pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

He’s used that to attack Germany too.

Especially after Chancellor Merkel showed him up.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:02:28pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

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Resign and go to a retirement home.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:02:34pm

FYI

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:03:29pm

re: #185 Ace-o-aces

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At this point, he’s just daring us to impeach him.

Donald, you know who didn’t help us in Vietnam?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:03:53pm

re: #193 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Especially after Chancellor Merkel showed him up.

Someone should really bring up that the Kurds have done more military service alongside our armed forces than anyone named Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:04:22pm

re: #196 b.d. (It’s all true)

Donald, you know who didn’t help us in Vietnam?

No, no, they totally did, you just don’t know it. Those Soviet pilots were sandbagging, they were pulling their punches so Americans could win, you’ll see!

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sagehen  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:04:30pm

re: #188 Ace Rothstein

Germany didn’t help us in WW2 either.

Same for Italy, Brazil, Japan, and Turkey…

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:04:41pm

re: #195 Ace-o-aces

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Meanwhile Fred Trump apparently never got drafted

FYI

Bone spurs run in the family

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:04:57pm

re: #185 Ace-o-aces

He’s apparently getting talking points from Kurt Schlichter.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:04:58pm

re: #196 b.d. (It’s all true)

Donald, you know who didn’t help us in Vietnam?

How about someone he repeatedly wishes we were friends with who was North Vietnam’s patron. I guess that was the Kurds too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:05:46pm

re: #201 lawhawk

He’s apparently getting talking points from Kurt Schlichter.

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Kurts wrong anyhow. And it’s irrelevant.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:05:58pm

My grandfather was a B-2 pilot instructor during WW2. He easily could’ve been called to go to Europe and do bombing runs. He and my grandmother sacrificed. I have two photos of them on my mantle; grandpa in his Army uniform, grandma looking radiant. They were the finest people I have ever known. If they were alive today, I can’t even imagine what they would say about this motherfucker. Actually, I can.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:05:59pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:06:56pm

re: #196 b.d. (It’s all true)

Donald, you know who didn’t help us in Vietnam?

He was busy making his sex life his own personal Vietnam.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:06:59pm

Won’t be long before he starts saying the same thing about South Korea that he is currently saying about the Kurds.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:07:43pm

re: #205 Ace Rothstein

My grandfather was a B2 pilot instructor during WW2. He easily could’ve been called to go to Europe and do bombing runs. He and my grandmother sacrificed. I have two photos of them on my mantle; grandpa in his Army uniform, grandma looking radiant. They were the finest people I have ever known. If they were alive today, I can’t even imagine what they would say about this motherfucker. Actually, I can.

I wonder about my grandfather too. I’m named after him. He had mixed feelings about the war in Korea.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:09:21pm

re: #206 DodgerFan1988

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:09:31pm

re: #205 Ace Rothstein

My grandfather was a B2 pilot instructor during WW2. He easily could’ve been called to go to Europe and do bombing runs. He and my grandmother sacrificed. I have two photos of them on my mantle; grandpa in his Army uniform, grandma looking radiant. They were the finest people I have ever known. If they were alive today, I can’t even imagine what they would say about this motherfucker. Actually, I can.

My grandfather repaired B-26 Marauders in England during and after Normandy. I have a photo of him standing next to his commanding officer in the hangar. He probably had friends who flew over the Channel who didn’t come back. I know for sure what he would say about the tangerine wankmaggot.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:09:57pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

re: #205 Ace Rothstein

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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:10:43pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:11:31pm

re: #195 Ace-o-aces

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Yep. Kurds were eyeball deep in the British response to the Iraqi coup during World War II, first as members of locally raised British forces defending British assets from the coup forces, and later in the counter-offensive that overthrew the pro-Nazi regime. Kurdish tribal forces also played a role in containing coup forces around Mosul, which was a center for German and Italian air operations in support of the coup.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:11:54pm

re: #212 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:12:11pm

re: #212 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:14:16pm

re: #215 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:14:52pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:15:21pm

I saw Leningrad Lindsey got in a jab at Obama for “leaving Iraq.” IIRC, Bush and the Iraqi president had an agreement for when the Americans would leave, and all Obama did was honor it, is that correct?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:16:44pm

Quality subtweet.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:18:35pm

re: #152 The Pie Overlord!

It looks the shooter killed two random people when he couldn’t get inside the synagogue.

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The synagogue that I have attended for 30 years now has a lock code on the doors which used to be open to everyone.

Several armed guards were outside and I had to walk thru a metal detector. Why? Because an anonymous asshole made a threat that we’d be gunned down.

Fuck Richard Spencer.

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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:19:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:19:43pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

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It breaks my heart because we already looked the other way when Hussein gassed the Kurds. Despite that, they still worked with us again. And Trump, a man whose life and entire family is devoid of service attacks them for not being involved on D-Day? Hell though, the Kurds despite being stateless did help during WWII and Ireland being neutral during WWII hasn’t stopped Trump from going there.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:22:43pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:35:39pm
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William Lewis  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:38:36pm

re: #179 lawhawk

Think that’s a fake.

Alas, since it needs to be true.

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William Lewis  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:40:12pm

re: #183 DodgerFan1988

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FLOTUS plays tennis while Kurds die.

Let them play tennis!

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Jay C  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:41:09pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

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That gets an upding - Seb Gorka as Lurch is a perfect fit: and the Hungarian accent is an excellent accompaniment to “You rang?”

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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:42:21pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:43:43pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:44:40pm

Super Typhoon Hagibis easily stands out on the satellite image:

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plansbandc  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:45:47pm

re: #203 gocart mozart

Absolutely fabulous!

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DangerMan  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:52:12pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

What are we going to do when every news story isn’t about Donald Trump any more?

It’s gonna be like stepping off a fast moving escalator.

at least you see that coming

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:55:10pm

“Full Swing Impeachment” would be a hell of a progressive band name this year. Just sayin.

Yeah, Racheal is on it tonight.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:57:06pm

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plansbandc  Oct 9, 2019 • 7:58:04pm

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uriel  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:00:33pm

re: #54 Feline Fearless Leader

Still a distant second behind Ted Cruz.

Them’s fighting words!

By which, I mean we should punch both of them a bunch of times and see which one is more satisfying, over all.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:01:21pm

re: #236 plansbandc

Singing does bring me joy, and joy is in such short supply these days.

Indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:02:58pm

re: #237 uriel

Them’s fighting words!

By which, I mean we should punch both of them a bunch of times and see which one is more satisfying, over all.

God almighty gave ya two fists for a reason.

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Belafon  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:04:03pm

re: #229 gocart mozart

Some people are freakin’ dense:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:04:05pm

re: #236 plansbandc

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:06:40pm

Lre: #240 Belafon

Some people are freakin’ dense:

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There’s a lot of sexist double standards that exist.

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Belafon  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:06:55pm

I suspect there will be zero votes changed, including his, but let him try:

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Belafon  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:07:19pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

L

There’s a lot of sexist double standards that exist.

And it’s annoying when women are helping with it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:09:19pm

re: #244 Belafon

And it’s annoying when women are helping with it.

Especially. Saw it tons three years ago.

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uriel  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:09:52pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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DangerMan  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:10:48pm

re: #160 TedStriker

Maybe go into the French Quarter and also to the French Market, then eat, drink, and be merry?

eat fo’ sure

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wrenchwench  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:12:23pm

re: #244 Belafon

And it’s annoying when women are helping with it.

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Especially. Saw it tons three years ago.

I know it usually seems like they are, but women aren’t generally any better at this ‘people’ thing than men are. Or anybody else or otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:14:18pm

re: #246 uriel

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When does David Duke become a honorable co chairman of Trump’s re-election?

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DangerMan  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:16:14pm

re: #188 Ace Rothstein

Germany didn’t help us in WW2 either.

i think i heard somethi ng about italy too.

and a rumor that Japan attacked us! nothing in snopes so…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:18:27pm

re: #246 uriel

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Oh my! wonder if @bobcesca_go wants to comment on that?

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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:20:49pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:24:30pm

re: #51 Ace-o-aces

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She won’t fuck you, Ben.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:28:32pm

just as soon as he can remember his code-word to access the secret server.

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Belafon  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:30:17pm

re: #254 Dread Pirate

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just as soon as he can remember his code-word to access the secret server.

He’s got to remove the “Yes, Mother, may I have another” parts, as well as the parts that make him look bad.

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DangerMan  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:31:57pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:35:25pm
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Dread Pirate  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:37:48pm
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uriel  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:44:39pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

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Ah, yes- the paper kitty roars.

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CleverToad  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:49:38pm

If someone hasn’t linked this yet:

balloon-juice.com

A Few Thoughts On the Betrayal of the Kurds: I’m Ashamed and We Should All Be Ashamed

Gut-wrenching

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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 8:58:52pm
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uriel  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:01:57pm

re: #262 gocart mozart

That panel will never not be hilarious.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:02:52pm

re: #127 lawhawk

Oh yeah, Trump was going to eliminate the debt in 8 years.

Trump’s increased the debt 68% in just 3 years. In a growing economy. This is due almost exclusively to his idiotic tax scam.

It’s the deficit that’s increased by 68% not the debt. And as has been pointed out above, the tax scam was the creation of the Congressional GOP not Trump.

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uriel  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:06:27pm

re: #252 gocart mozart
I’ve said it before:

When Trump OK’d this withdrawal, one of the main “thoughts” in his head was that moment.

And how cool he thought it was.

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gocart mozart  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:19:10pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:23:05pm

re: #264 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s the deficit that’s increased by 68% not the debt. And as has been pointed out above, the tax scam was the creation of the Congressional GOP not Trump.

Just wait till Trump and the GOP default on the debt…

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:24:18pm

re: #265 uriel

I’ve said it before:

When Trump OK’d this withdrawal, one of the main “thoughts” in his head was that moment.

And how cool he thought it was.

Or this is what his master Putin advised him on the appropriate steps to take.

Impeachment is too slow of a process, even if the GOP might convict. The damage he is doing to our country and will continue to inflict while he remains in power is incalculable. He needs to be removed NOW — 4 months will be too late. Of course, it’s already too late but maybe the worst could be mitigated if he were ousted this week. But that won’t happen and the harm to our nation and the world will only escalate with each day he remains in office.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:24:36pm

re: #266 gocart mozart

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The New York Times lied us into a war that killed my son.

FUCK THE NEW YORK TIMES!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:30:32pm

OMG LOL! Jesus, these fucks are so pressed.

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uriel  Oct 9, 2019 • 9:55:40pm

re: #268 Hecuba’s daughter

But that won’t happen and the harm to our nation and the world will only escalate with each day he remains in office.

Yeah, the damage caused by his ignorant lashing out over the combination of impeachment stuff, with the “no-one should ever trust us again, ever” thing he’s doing, and his school-yard-bully mentality is about to rise exponentially.

This whole “ISIS will escape to Europe” thing is just the second wave. He is determined to completely re-shuffle american international relations to favor the despots he loves so well.

I truly don’t think NATO survives another year of his presidency, without MAJOR diplomacy by whoever follows him.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 9, 2019 • 10:12:48pm

re: #17 sizzzzlerz

One now needs to wonder what the blowback will be from the Kurdish genocide as initiated by Trump. Our reputation is in the shitter and I wonder if it will even be possible to clean it up.

It won’t be because everyone will always wonder when the next Republican will be elected President.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 9, 2019 • 10:17:23pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 9, 2019 • 10:41:04pm

Hope that Anymouse returns soon from his latest boycott. The night shift usually tends to be quiet without his presence.

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 9, 2019 • 10:51:11pm

re: #274 Hecuba’s daughter

Hope that Anymouse returns soon from his latest boycott. The night shift usually tends to be quiet without his presence.

I’ll probably be up for the next several hours since I crashed early before 8:30 in the Mythical Time Zone and woke up a little over two hours later. I just wish that I had something useful, important, or entertaining to say tonight. However, the Mad Antics of Emperor Moronicus Rex these past few days have kind of overwhelmed me today.

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Mattand  Oct 9, 2019 • 10:51:27pm

re: #274 Hecuba’s daughter

Hope that Anymouse returns soon from his latest boycott. The night shift usually tends to be quiet without his presence.

What happened?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 9, 2019 • 10:58:53pm

re: #276 Mattand

What happened?

Four days ago he and goddamnedfrank had a heated dispute about the Epoch Times and the Barr-Durham investigation in Italy, which I admit I haven’t been following closely since anything Barr-related is as dishonest as anything Trump-related.

Please, Nancy, can’t you impeach Barr too?

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Mattand  Oct 9, 2019 • 11:03:00pm

re: #275 A Three Hour Tour

I’ll probably be up for the next several hours since I crashed early before 8:30 in the Mythical Time Zone and some up a little over two hours later. I just wish that I had something useful, important, or entertaining to say tonight. However, the Mad Antics of Emperor Moronicus Rex these past few days have kind of overwhelmed me today.

The thing that just struck me a few minutes ago is that this motherfucker has been operating this way his entire life. Literally fucking over anyone who comes within 15 feet of him.

Then factor in how the GOP has so completely gone full Human Centipede on his ass. My entire life, all I’ve heard from conservatives and Republicans is that only they have the moral compass to guide the country. The guy is a walking tower of sin, crime, and debauchery, and they have fallen in line so completely, it makes you realize that this what the GOP has really wanted for decades: a full-on Dear Leader who will grant them as much power as they can steal.

I still can’t wrap my head entirely around it.

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Mattand  Oct 9, 2019 • 11:05:18pm

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

Four days ago he and goddamnedfrank had a heated dispute about the Epoch Times and the Barr-Durham investigation in Italy, which I admit I haven’t been following closely since anything Barr-related is as dishonest as anything Trump-related.

Please, Nancy, can’t you impeach Barr too?

I had to look up what the Epoch Times was. I’m not even going to begin to figure out how that is related to Barr’s excellent Italian adventrue.

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Mattand  Oct 9, 2019 • 11:08:06pm

Okay, 2 AM here in swamps of Jersey*. I’m going to bed.

*While there is an overabundance of swamps in NJ, I have to drive a bit to get to one. For some reason, I like saying that as an exit line.

I turned 53 on Tuesday. Chalk it up to senility.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 9, 2019 • 11:08:31pm

re: #279 Mattand

I had to look up what the Epoch Times was. I’m not even going to begin to figure out how that is related to Barr’s excellent Italian adventrue.

They have become a pro-Trump propaganda “news” outlet.

‘Night all!

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 9, 2019 • 11:13:23pm

re: #280 Mattand

Okay, 2 AM here in swamps of Jersey*. I’m going to bed.

*While there is an overabundance of swamps in NJ, I have to drive a bit to get to one. For some reason, I like saying that as an exit line.

I turned 53 on Tuesday. Chalk it up to senility.

Ah, another 1966-er in the house.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2019 • 11:39:39pm

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

Four days ago he and goddamnedfrank had a heated dispute about the Epoch Times and the Barr-Durham investigation in Italy, which I admit I haven’t been following closely since anything Barr-related is as dishonest as anything Trump-related.

Please, Nancy, can’t you impeach Barr too?

I thought he was being an asshole and said as much, once. Then he flounced in a huff, which he’s done before when other Lizards have called him out, because he can’t handle pushback.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 9, 2019 • 11:54:07pm
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Scout  Oct 10, 2019 • 12:25:22am

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

Four days ago he and goddamnedfrank had a heated dispute about the Epoch Times and the Barr-Durham investigation in Italy, which I admit I haven’t been following closely since anything Barr-related is as dishonest as anything Trump-related.

Please, Nancy, can’t you impeach Barr too?

It’s really easy, unfortunately, to take things to heart just a bit too much. It’s a trap I fall in too often.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 10, 2019 • 12:29:25am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 10, 2019 • 12:36:58am

It’s being reported in Czech media that the attacker in yesterday’s terrorist incident in Germany was a 27-year-old neo-Nazi sympathizer from the small town of Helbra (in Saxony-Anhalt), where he resided with his mother.

As I suspected, he was a right-wing extremist, motivated by anti-Semitism. And right-wing extremism isn’t hard to find in the former DDR, sad to say - it’s the stronghold of the AfD.

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Scout  Oct 10, 2019 • 1:25:56am

I’m sitting in an office in Tokyo, one subway stop from Nagatacho (Japan’s Capitol Hill, if you will). I can’t help but wonder what the folks over there are saying about the U.S. abandonment of the Kurds.

I bet it’s not pretty.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 10, 2019 • 1:28:48am

sure. no problem.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:03:43am

re: #286 goddamnedfrank

Reminds me of my Boxer when she finds a loose basketball

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:05:36am

Someone should be in rare form for the next few days

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:08:18am

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

I thought he was being an asshole and said as much, once. Then he flounced in a huff, which he’s done before when other Lizards have called him out, because he can’t handle pushback.

True, sadly. It’s become his go to - ‘if you folks disagree with my thoughts on (insert subject of argument), then maybe I should just take an extended leave from this place.’

He posts some good stuff, but the drama gets pretty predictable after a while.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:12:43am

re: #292 makeitstop

True, sadly. It’s become his go to - ‘if you folks disagree with my thoughts on (insert subject of argument), then maybe I should just take an extended leave from this place.’

He posts some good stuff, but the drama gets pretty predictable after a while.

Having been on the receiving end of arguments with him, I have to agree. I like AM. He’s intelligent and has a lot of insight but he can be very pig headed and overly dramatic if he’s disagreed with.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:13:45am

re: #291 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Someone should be in rare form for the next few days

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And Obama thought he didn’t deserve it. Trump meanwhile wants one just to have one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:19:26am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I definitely think Trump fatigue is a real thing.

There are people who have damaging info on him but have been holding back. Have we reached some sort of tipping point?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:22:01am

re: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people who have damaging info on him but have been holding back. Have we reached some sort of tipping point?

I think we’re getting there. Unlike Jacob Wohl, I don’t talk to random strangers and while I have hipster traits, I’m not at a hipster coffee shop but I think it’s only going to get worse for him.

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Florida Panhandler  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:40:20am

re: #77 b.d. (It’s all true)

But I think that the Evangelical Bible Bingo had the Kurds alive and on the side of the good guys before Jesus comes back and kills everybody there?

Not to worry. American Fundamentalist Christianity is always ready and able to re-write their dogma in short order to fit whatever political expediencies pop up. Allies no more, the Kurds now have always been part of Satan’s plan to deceive us and Israel. Watch for this sort of bilge to be bubbling up from the Evangelical swamps any minute now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:58:12am

re: #297 Florida Panhandler

Not to worry. American Fundamentalist Christianity is always ready and able to re-write their dogma in short order to fit whatever political expediencies pop up. Allies no more, the Kurds now have always been part of Satan’s plan to deceive us and Israel. Watch for this sort of bilge to be bubbling up from the Evangelical swamps any minute now.

And those godless PKK commies have to be stopped!

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:59:03am

Thread.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 4:59:43am

re: #299 makeitstop

Thread.

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Good observation.

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:04:09am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Good observation.

Yep. Nikki Haley got caught out yesterday sending a hand-wringing tweet about how horrible the decision was, but no tag.

Graham, too. All show, no go.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:05:37am

re: #299 makeitstop

Not only will they not tag him, they don’t even mention him. I’ve seen many tweets from GOPers that refer to “the administration” or “this administration.” Cowards, all.

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jeffreyw  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:08:17am

Good morning!

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:08:54am

re: #302 Flying Squirrel Girl

Not only will they not tag him, they don’t even mention him. I’ve seen many tweets from GOPers that refer to “the administration” or “this administration.” Cowards, all.

They think they can thread the needle on this by showing concern. They’ve all turned into Twitter Susan Collinses.

OTOH, Trump may be seeing them regardless. That might explain why he’s calling Moscow Mitch multiple times a day, railing about ‘disloyal’ senators.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:28:33am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And those godless PKK commies have to be stopped!

I read something similar to that over on freerepubik dot Com.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:44:54am

re: #271 uriel

Yeah, the damage caused by his ignorant lashing out over the combination of impeachment stuff, with the “no-one should ever trust us again, ever” thing he’s doing, and his school-yard-bully mentality is about to rise exponentially.

This whole “ISIS will escape to Europe” thing is just the second wave. He is determined to completely re-shuffle american international relations to favor the despots he loves so well.

I truly don’t think NATO survives another year of his presidency, without MAJOR diplomacy by whoever follows him.

And what will that person be able to guarantee?

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:48:26am

Good question, Max.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:49:46am

re: #307 makeitstop

Fifteen current Republican senators served in the House or Senate during the Clinton impeachment…. I’d challenge any of them to explain why they deemed Clinton’s behavior so bad and are so unmoved by Trump’s.

Start of a “Best of Lindsey Graham” quotes on the Clinton impeachment…

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:52:11am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

And Obama thought he didn’t deserve it. Trump meanwhile wants one just to have one.

Trump is a badge collector

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:53:02am

re: #305 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I read something similar to that over on freerepubik dot Com.

There were some lame photoshops purported to show the PKK training Antifa.

Need lump those two together

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Jay C  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:57:38am

re: #307 makeitstop

Good question, Max.

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And I’m sure that if any of those fifteen Senators deigned to answer Boot’s question, we would get fifteen garbled disquisitions all boiling down to : “IOKIYAR”.

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sagehen  Oct 10, 2019 • 5:58:35am

re: #307 makeitstop

Good question, Max.

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We already all know the answer, even if these particular senators aren’t willing to say it out loud.

IOKIYAR

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:02:31am

re: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people who have damaging info on him but have been holding back. Have we reached some sort of tipping point?

Maybe it will leak. Like Devin Nunes’ anus.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:03:04am

re: #311 Jay C

re: #312 sagehen

Based on the legal nonsense they’re throwing at the house, I wouldn tbe surprised with “only democratic presidents can be impeached”

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:07:12am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Trump’s asinine unilateral move, which surprised even our own military leaders, was done in consultation with who exactly? Erdogan and Putin? Whose interests do those two have in mind? It’s not the US. It’s furthering their own, and Trump laying the Kurds out for ethnic cleansing is clear and convincing evidence that Trump doesn’t take his oath seriously to protect and defend the constitution or our allies. The Kurds have been our allies for decades; they fought Saddam. They fought ISIS. They fought on our side in WWII.

Trump? He fought to stay out of the military so he could have his personal Vietnam at Studio 54.

Even some GOPers are getting wobbly on Trump because of this (let’s not ignore that they didn’t distance themselves over Trump’s sexual assaults, abrogating the Constitution previously, the obstruction revealed by Mueller, etc.). It’s the Ukraine call and subsequent obstruction that has gotten things rolling to the point that a majority of the nation wants Trump gone, and 30% of GOP polled are now considering impeachment as well.

Trump’s support is wavering, which means he’s going to take ever more extreme and dangerous actions to stay in office. This is how he operates - if he is threatened, he will lie, project, and obstruct even more - or deflect with entirely new crimes and actions.

No one who is innocent obstructs justice to prevent people from testifying if they would in any way clear them of the claims. That’s the problem. Trump deep down knows he’s fucked (legal term) and obstruction is his last refuge. He hopes to run out the clock, as do GOPers who don’t want to make the choice of booting Trump or losing their own Congressional races. The GOP will obfuscate and project like IMAX, all while more crimes are revealed.

The hearings need to be made front and center and media outlets need to headline this above all else.

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:07:26am
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:23:39am

The Trump legacy. Corrupt, more debt, few friends, many betrayed allies and more enemies than ever for America.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:27:50am

Good morning Lizards:

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:30:45am

Pro tip for visitors to California who get caught up in a wildfire prevention blackout. Candles are not an option.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:32:55am

re: #313 Barefoot Grin

Maybe it will leak. Like Devin Nunes’ anus.

There will be some leaks springing and Donald will be totally outraged at this traitorous betrayal…

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:35:22am

Happy Thursday!

Anti-Corruption Donnie & Rudy will be glad to hear this!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:40:51am

How very Trumpian….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:41:59am

re: #322 Eric The Fruit Bat

How very Trumpian….

Turkish President Erdoğan threatens Thursday that Ankara will send 3.6M Syrian refugees in Turkey to Europe if European countries label his country’s
military incursion in Syria as an occupation: “We will open the gates and send 3.6M refugees your way.”

Wow. As if he really wants to Get Even with everyone who ever made fun of him…

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:44:53am

re: #321 b.d. (It’s all true)

Happy Thursday!

Anti-Corruption Donnie & Rudy will be glad to hear this!

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SDNY, gettin’ it done.

Let’s see how fast Barr steps in to fuck it up. You know he’s going to.

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:47:48am

re: #324 makeitstop

SDNY, gettin’ it done.

Let’s see how fast Barr steps in to fuck it up. You know he’s going to.

STATES RIGHTS!!

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:48:30am

re: #324 makeitstop

SDNY, gettin’ it done.

Let’s see how fast Barr steps in to fuck it up. You know he’s going to.

I bet Trump finds his pardoning pen pretty soon.

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lizardofid  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:51:12am

re: #322 Eric The Fruit Bat

How very Trumpian….

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Erdogan’s threat to send fleeing refugees to Europe sorta lines up with Trumps statement that Isis fighters would “escape to Europe”.

politico.eu

Oh, good morning!

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:54:48am

re: #327 lizardofid

Erdogan’s threat to send fleeing refugees to Europe sorta lines up with Trumps statement that Isis fighters would “escape to Europe”.

politico.eu

Oh, good morning!

Trump gives Turkey green light to go after our allies the Kurds.
Trump gives Russia green light to fill vacuum we leave behind.
Turkey threatens everyone with human rights crisis if they carry out the expected ethnic cleansing of the Kurds.

Trump is furthering Putin’s agenda in one fell swoop - NATO chaos, EU chaos, Turkey shifts orbit even closer to Russia, and Trump panders to his white nationalist isolationist base even further.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 6:57:18am

re: #327 lizardofid

Erdogan’s threat to send fleeing refugees to Europe sorta lines up with Trumps statement that Isis fighters would “escape to Europe”.

politico.eu

Oh, good morning!

The refugee crisis has been an ongoing issue between Erdogan & the EU for some time now and Trump has just massively increased his leverage there.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:01:28am

You guys see this one?

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:03:45am

re: #330 Rightwingconspirator

You guys see this one?

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And it even goes after his supporters.

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lizardofid  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:05:02am

re: #328 lawhawk

Trump gives Turkey green light to go after our allies the Kurds.
Trump gives Russia green light to fill vacuum we leave behind.
Turkey threatens everyone with human rights crisis if they carry out the expected ethnic cleansing of the Kurds.

Trump is furthering Putin’s agenda in one fell swoop - NATO chaos, EU chaos, Turkey shifts orbit even closer to Russia, and Trump panders to his white nationalist isolationist base even further.

“Would the last few hundred Americans leaving Turkey each grab a Nuke.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:05:04am

re: #330 Rightwingconspirator

You guys see this one?

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Nope. It’s so infuriating. Here we have an ally in the ME. There aren’t many secular and democratic groups that support us in the ME. And Trump just abandoned them. This wasn’t anti war. This was appeasement because Trump doesn’t listen to anyone. The cabinet and joint chiefs exist for this very reason. Trump doesn’t read whether it be history, briefings, etc but he will watch FNC for his daily tongue bathing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:06:53am

re: #331 Belafon

And it even goes after his supporters.

My mom is finally realizing that Trump’s remain supporters aren’t poor people who were conned but bigots. She’s always hated Trump but she fell for the same crap Mayor Pete was spreading that many of them were victims who had no choice.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:09:23am

re: #327 lizardofid

Erdogan’s threat to send fleeing refugees to Europe sorta lines up with Trumps statement that Isis fighters would “escape to Europe”.

politico.eu

Oh, good morning!

Putin and team write the script. Erdo and Donnie just follow it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:09:52am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

My mom is finally realizing that Trump’s remain supporters aren’t poor people who were conned but bigots. She’s always hated Trump but she fell for the same crap Mayor Pete was spreading that many of them were victims who had no choice.

I grew up in Gary, Indiana, back when there was a lot less “economic anxiety” among the working-class whites, but they were still enormous bigots and racists.

The economic decline just brought it out a lot more into the open and gave people like Trump a scapegoat to point at for them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:13:12am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I grew up in Gary, Indiana, back when there was a lot less “economic anxiety” among the working-class whites, but they were still enormous bigots and racists.

The economic decline just brought it out a lot more into the open and gave people like Trump a scapegoat to point at for them.

Exactly and tbh Hillary was offering a realistic plan. The mines closed in Mom’s parents hometown years ago. We shouldn’t neglect people left behind by changing economics but we shouldn’t make empty promises or return to things proven to be bad for the environment and our health.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:16:09am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Exactly and tbh Hillary was offering a realistic plan. The mines closed in Mom’s parents hometown years ago. We shouldn’t neglect people left behind by changing economics but we shouldn’t make empty promises or return to things proven to be bad for the environment and our health.

they still hearken back to a time when a white man with only a High School degree could get a job in the mines or mills and after 20 years of seniority, enjoy a nearly middle-class standard of living, put his kids through (state) college, own his own home and perhaps also a pool/camper/boat/summer house…

Bruce Springsteen - My Hometown

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:25:02am

re: #328 lawhawk

Trump gives Turkey green light to go after our allies the Kurds.
Trump gives Russia green light to fill vacuum we leave behind.
Turkey threatens everyone with human rights crisis if they carry out the expected ethnic cleansing of the Kurds.

Trump is furthering Putin’s agenda in one fell swoop - NATO chaos, EU chaos, Turkey shifts orbit even closer to Russia, and Trump panders to his white nationalist isolationist base even further.

for everyone to see
everyone knows it
and there doesnt appear to be any way to stop him

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:26:26am

Fox News is “FAAAAKE NOOOOZ!”
POS45 has a new favorite ass-kissing propaganda source:

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plansbandc  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:26:37am
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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:28:05am

re: #339 DangerMan

for everyone to see
everyone knows it
and there doesnt appear to be any way to stop him

There would be if the GOP didn’t support it as well.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:32:00am

re: #342 Belafon

There would be if the GOP didn’t support it as well.

thats what i mean

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:34:27am

re: #342 Belafon

There would be if the GOP didn’t support it as well.

We would not have needed a Mueller Report or whistleblowers, Trump’s conflicts of interest, obstruction of justice and violations of the Emoluments Clause are all right there in the open if the GOP were willing to act on them.

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Jay C  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:36:20am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Exactly and tbh Hillary was offering a realistic plan. The mines closed in Mom’s parents hometown years ago. We shouldn’t neglect people left behind by changing economics but we shouldn’t make empty promises or return to things proven to be bad for the environment and our health.

Of course she did: but it’s a sad (if accurate) testimony to the state of our nation that all too many voters didn’t want a “realistic plan” (from Clinton), but rather glory-days revivalism larded with toxic blame-mongering (Trump).
A fundamental principle of American politics in the early-21st Century: Democrats appeal to voters’ interests, Republicans appeal to their prejudices. And we see who wins as often as not….

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:41:57am

re: #340 The Pie Overlord!

Fox News is “FAAAAKE NOOOOZ!”
POS45 has a new favorite ass-kissing propaganda source:

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“Thank you to Cable Access Channel Three for hosting my rally tonight!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:45:42am

re: #345 Jay C

Of course she did: but it’s a sad (if accurate) testimony to the state of our nation that all too many voters didn’t want a “realistic plan” (from Clinton), but rather glory-days revivalism larded with toxic blame-mongering (Trump).
A fundamental principle of American politics in the early-21st Century: Democrats appeal to voters’ interests, Republicans appeal to their prejudices. And we see who wins as often as not….

Trump convinced enough people that we just had to get rid of all those pesky government health, safety and environmental regulations that were suffocating the industry, and well-paid jobs with benefits would come roaring back - without the need of those bothersome unions, either…

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:46:06am

Surprising absolutely… no one… the guys Rudy conspired with to dig up dirt of collusion on the Biden family were themselves corrupt as fuck and are indelibly linked to Trumpworld, including Junior and Rudy personally and directly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:47:17am

re: #348 lawhawk

Surprising absolutely… no one… the guys Rudy conspired with to dig up dirt of collusion on the Biden family were themselves corrupt as fuck and are indelibly linked to Trumpworld, including Junior and Rudy personally and directly.

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But the media still maintain a focus on Biden Corruption because both sides…

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:51:19am

re: #348 lawhawk

Surprising absolutely… no one… the guys Rudy conspired with to dig up dirt of collusion on the Biden family were themselves corrupt as fuck and are indelibly linked to Trumpworld, including Junior and Rudy personally and directly.

Of course. If you turn to guys with some level of integrity, you might end up with nothing.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:52:01am

The bulkshit is hitting the fan. And it’s not even Friday:

Item 1:

Item 2:

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:53:29am

re: #351 lawhawk

The bulkshit is hitting the fan. And it’s not even Friday:

Item 1:

It’s always friday now, at 4:30pm, late enough to do a news dump, too early to drink.

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:56:26am

re: #351 lawhawk

The bulkshit is hitting the fan. And it’s not even Friday:

Item 1:

Love it, though. Sessions is moving to the district containing Waco, to run for the seat being opened by a retiring Republican after losing to Allred last year. It’ll be fun watching this brought up.

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sagehen  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:57:59am

re: #352 Belafon

It’s always friday now, at 4:30pm, late enough to do a news dump, too early to drink.

For the duration of this administration…. it’s never too early to drink.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:58:52am

re: #354 sagehen

For the duration of this administration…. it’s never too early to drink.

Trumpworld is bringing back day drinking in style… except that Trumpworld is now taxing scotch and imported French wines.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:59:33am

re: #355 lawhawk

Trumpworld is bringing back day drinking in style… except that Trumpworld is now taxing scotch and imported French wines.

stick to everclear

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Jay C  Oct 10, 2019 • 7:59:50am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump convinced enough people that we just had to get rid of all those pesky government health, safety and environmental regulations that were suffocating the industry, and well-paid jobs with benefits would come roaring back - without the need of those bothersome unions, either…

Not to mention the standard diatribes about “illegal aliens” “stealing their jobs”…

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sagehen  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:00:04am

re: #355 lawhawk

Trumpworld is bringing back day drinking in style… except that Trumpworld is now taxing scotch and imported French wines.

Buy American (moonshine).

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:02:43am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump convinced enough people that we just had to get rid of all those pesky government health, safety and environmental regulations that were suffocating the industry, and well-paid jobs with benefits would come roaring back - without the need of those bothersome unions, either…

and now the manufacturing sector is in recession, inevitably poised to drag more of the economy down with it. everything’s interconnected

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:04:02am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

stick to everclear

Crown Royal.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:04:19am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

stick to everclear

Rudy apparently has made that a habit…. and it shows.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:05:06am

Mad Dog 20-20. The official beverage of Trumpworld.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:07:28am

re: #362 lawhawk

Mad Dog 20-20. The official beverage of Trumpworld.

and kosher for Passover

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:07:43am

re: #359 DangerMan

and now the manufacturing sector is in recession, inevitably poised to drag more of the economy down with it. everything’s interconnected

As long as “burger flipper” is still considered “manufacturing” in the job counts things won’t look too bad for a while.

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:07:50am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

stick to everclear

I’ve got a couple of jars of moonshine, might be time to break those out…

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:08:57am

re: #86 Disloyal Archangel

Overheard tonight:
[Translated] “He deserves to be vivisected for what he’s done to them. I hope he’ll burn alive.”
The speaker: a far-right Israeli and former Trump enthusiast.
The topic: Trump’s betrayal of the Kurds.
That’s how far he’s crossed the line with this act - he’s lost most on the Israeli right in a handful of days. No one in political power is trying to even remotely back him up, certainly not any of the politicians who were former military leaders. And it’s not like the left ever supported the MFer.
In this single act, he’s basically lost the whole country.

I know he just lost a lot of the US Army. My conservative E6 nephew at Ft Hood called me to vent about Trump selling out the Kurds last night. I gathered he was not the only NCO who was royally pissed. He said his sergeant major predicted this was going to get us into even more wars over the next 40 years because we sold out reliable allies. I talked to more than one soldier yesterday, including officers, who were in near despair.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:09:52am

re: #364 Eventual Carrion

As long as “burger flipper” is still considered “manufacturing” in the job counts things won’t look too bad for a while.

AFAIK, burger flipping is not considered manufacturing despite attempts to classify it otherwise, or else working as a fry cook at a Denny’s would have to count as high-tech engineering…

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:12:17am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

AFAIK, burger flipping is not considered manufacturing despite attempts to classify it otherwise, or else working as a fry cook at a Denny’s would have to count as high-tech engineering…

Yeah, I just remember during the St. Ronnie reign there was talk of propping up the manufacturing job count numbers by classifying a burger flipper as a manufacturing job.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:13:10am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

NAICS code for fast food restaurants is 722513.
Fine dining restaurants is 722511.
Buffet type restaurants is 722514.

These are not classified as manufacturing.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:22:16am

Hillary is definitely upping her online skills.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:24:36am

Republican Genocide.

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Jay C  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:26:43am

re: #366 Scottish Dragon

I know he just lost a lot of the US Army. My conservative E6 nephew at Ft Hood called me to vent about Trump selling out the Kurds last night. I gathered he was not the only NCO who was royally pissed. He said his sergeant major predicted this was going to get us into even more wars over the next 40 years because we sold out reliable allies. I talked to more than one soldier yesterday, including officers, who were in near despair.

So is it likely to affect their voting preferences at all? Or are these military still likely to reflexively pull the (R) lever because Democrats are DFH peacenik flag-burning troop-haters?

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Jay C  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:28:28am

re: #370 lawhawk

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Hillary is definitely upping her online skills.

She’s always been miles ahead of King Orangeanus on that front: Trump’s tweets are flailings with an awkward club: Hillary’s are neat jabs with a rapier (or stiletto).

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:30:26am

re: #371 DodgerFan1988

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Republican Genocide.

That is heartbreaking. Trump has landed us in a world of shit, to keep his name on a fucking hotel.

Spit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:31:39am

re: #372 Jay C

So is it likely to affect their voting preferences at all? Or are these military still likely to reflexively pull the (R) lever because Democrats are DFH peacenik flag-burning troop-haters?

I cannot imagine it will turn many of them Democrat, but maybe they will not turn out in such unprecendented high numbers. That is a big part of GOP strategy, namely counting on their 30% to get out and vote…

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:32:22am

Parnas and Fruman were supposed to testify before the House today. It was expected that they’d both snub the House, but flee the country? That’s one way to try and avoid testifying that what they were doing was entirely legit and perfect as Trump wants his idiot supporters to believe.

Everyone in Trumpworld is dirty, and Rudy is a nexus of this nefarious behavior (fitting since he’s looking more and more like Nosferatu).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:33:42am

re: #376 lawhawk

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested at Dulles International airport last night as they attempted to leave the country, a DOJ official tells Pierre TABC. AG Barr was told last night they were being arrested.

Who helped them try to leave?

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:34:01am

re: #376 lawhawk

How did they know to flee? Hmmmm.

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Jay C  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:35:35am

re: #377 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #376 lawhawk

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested at Dulles International airport last night as they attempted to leave the country, a DOJ official tells Pierre TABC. AG Barr was told last night they were being arrested.

I wonder how pissed Barr was that he only found out after they were arrested….

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:37:45am

I’m guessing they just figured this was how they would make sure they couldn’t be made to testify.

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:39:28am
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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:39:31am

And now for something completely… weird?

Am I being too sensitive in seeing Wilson flashing a white power symbol here, or is there something to this…

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:40:44am

re: #382 lawhawk

And now for something completely… weird?

[Embedded content]

Am I being too sensitive in seeing Wilson flashing a white power symbol here, or is there something to this…

Wilson is a naif. He’s most likely using it as the old-school ‘OK’ sign.

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sagehen  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:41:26am

re: #370 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Hillary is definitely upping her online skills.

Either that, or she just turned her account over to Chelsea.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:43:02am

re: #379 Jay C

I wonder how pissed Barr was that he only found out after they were arrested….

I suspect they never would have been arrested in the first place if Barr had been informed earlier…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:44:14am

re: #383 makeitstop

Wilson is a naif. He’s most likely using it as the old-school ‘OK’ sign.

That is the Magic White Power behind it, the Proud Boys and their ilk can always claim that it was just a harmless “okay!” sign and nod and wink…

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TedStriker  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:44:55am

re: #382 lawhawk

And now for something completely… weird?

[Embedded content]

Am I being too sensitive in seeing Wilson flashing a white power symbol here, or is there something to this…

I guessing that, as old as Wilson is, he’s using it as its pre-coopted meaning of “OK”. Still though, whoever put that advert together surely knows (or should) that the gesture is no longer seen as “OK”, so I put that as a failure of his management/promotions staff (and of Ticketmaster).

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:45:23am

re: #386 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the Magic White Power behind it, they can always claim that it was just a harmless “okay!” sign and nod and wink…

Pretty sure he is just doing an OK sign here.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:47:15am

Given the state of affairs right now, Ticketmaster’s people knew or had reason to know that the symbol is now associated with white nationalists/white supremacists. They ran it anyways. Not good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:47:22am

re: #388 Scottish Dragon

Pretty sure he is just doing an OK sign here.

Yes, AFAIK, Bryan is not any sort of outspoken white supremacist.

Besides, some of his biggest hits were stolen from a black musician…

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:48:25am

It’s only a matter of time before more people are indicted alongside Parnas and Fruman - Rudy being top among them.

Rudy can’t even begin to claim attorney client privilege here either, and SDNY has made extensive use of crime fraud exception to pierce that privilege.

So yeah, this isn’t going to end well for Trump’s criminal cronies.

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Egregious Philbin  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:50:41am

re: #382 lawhawk

He is just letting you know that all of his scuba gear is working OK.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:50:57am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:51:20am

re: #382 lawhawk

And now for something completely… weird?

[Embedded content]

Am I being too sensitive in seeing Wilson flashing a white power symbol here, or is there something to this…

I think it’s innocent. Don’t know Brian’s politics but given his hero is Chuck Berry.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:52:16am
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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:52:56am

Said Alexander[Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN)]: “It’s inappropriate for the president to be talking with foreign governments about investigating his political opponents, but impeachment would be a mistake. An election, which is just around the corner, is the right way to decide who should be president.”

- watch as this becomes an increasingly common argument.
- and while it’s nearly merrick garland territory, it’s actually much worse.
- it’s equating “who should be president” with impeachment/removal for violating the constitution.
- it attempts to invalidate impeachment (trial and removal for cause) as a function at all, regardless of the timing in the 4 year term.

finally, as random disqus poster pointed out:

“Highly flawed logic…Trump’s actions are to interfere with the election. So, election cannot be seen as a fair remedy.”

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makeitstop  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:53:12am

re: #386 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the Magic White Power behind it, the Proud Boys and their ilk can always claim that it was just a harmless “okay!” sign and nod and wink…

Can’t blame that on Wilson, though.

He’s one of the greatest composers in American history, but a lifetime of parental abuse, drug use and bad mental counseling have left him a wreck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:53:19am

re: #395 jaunte

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two Ukrainians, set up meetings between Giuliani & Yuri Lutsenko to dig up dirt on the Bidens
They gave $500,000 to pro-Trump groups.
They dined at the White House w/Trump.
They also had breakfast w/ DonaldJTrumpJr
It’s a sewer.

But Biden’s son!!!

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:54:01am

re: #398 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Project-son!

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:54:19am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:54:40am

I’m not going to be shocked if I find out Trump converted to Islam and was born in Kenya. I obviously jest but it’s one projection after another.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:54:43am

re: #397 makeitstop

Can’t blame that on Wilson, though.

He’s one of the greatest composers in American history, but a lifetime of parental abuse, drug use and bad mental counseling have left him a wreck.

yes, I never heard any utterances of his that would indicate White Power sympathy.

Watched Love and Mercy, the BW biopic, found it really moving and well done

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:54:44am

re: #391 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

It’s only a matter of time before more people are indicted alongside Parnas and Fruman - Rudy being top among them.

Rudy can’t even begin to claim attorney client privilege here either, and SDNY has made extensive use of crime fraud exception to pierce that privilege.

So yeah, this isn’t going to end well for Trump’s criminal cronies.

90+% of america (lgf excepted) have never heard of these two.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:55:13am

re: #400 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

And Pence who never served dismisses women in the military.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:55:50am

re: #403 DangerMan

90+% of america (lgf excepted) have never heard of these two.

Well, everyone’s heard of Mayor 9/11, and as this is going to directly implicate him, along with Rep. Pete Sessions, yeah, they’re both in serious trouble here.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:56:19am

re: #393 jaunte

how many pictures of trumps palling around with criminals are there? //

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:56:29am

re: #405 lawhawk

Well, everyone’s heard of Mayor 9/11, and as this is going to directly implicate him, along with Rep. Pete Sessions, yeah, they’re both in serious trouble here.

McCarthy too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:56:49am

re: #406 DangerMan

how many pictures of trumps palling around with criminals are there? //

[Embedded content]

Less than with non crooks.

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 8:57:27am

re: #403 DangerMan

90+% of america (lgf excepted) have never heard of these two.

The same could be said of Stormy Daniels.

It doesn’t really matter their names, though. Ukraine has become the thing that has started getting people thinking Trump shouldn’t be in office. Anything tied to that will be worth bringing up.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:03:27am

click through to see the equivalent for clinton and nixon

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gocart mozart  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:03:42am
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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:06:25am

stacey explaining impeachment to kevin (effing house minority leader!) in one short paragraph

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Targetpractice  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:07:11am

re: #396 DangerMan

- watch as this becomes an increasingly common argument.
- and while it’s nearly merrick garland territory, it’s actually much worse.
- it’s equating “who should be president” with impeachment/removal for violating the constitution.
- it attempts to invalidate impeachment (trial and removal for cause) as a function at all, regardless of the timing in the 4 year term.

finally, as random disqus poster pointed out:

It’s an argument that they’re picking up from the wingnut media in recent days, coinciding with the shift in polling numbers in favor of impeachment. When this all began and polls were still middling or against impeachment, they strutted around and declared the Dems had committed a huge mistake in pursuing impeachment. But two weeks later, they’re scared shitless that this might go all the way to a Senate trial and a final vote on conviction or acquittal. A vote that is looking less like an electoral boon and more like a massive millstone they’ll all have to wear.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:10:47am
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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:11:29am
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gocart mozart  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:12:43am
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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:14:18am

nah. it was because of abortion… //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:15:27am

re: #415 lawhawk

I like this one:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:16:12am

re: #417 DangerMan

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nah. it was because of abortion… //

Yeah allowing ten runs in the first inning had nothing to do with it. FFS learn baseball and stop whining.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:16:36am
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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:16:49am

re: #415 lawhawk

old, white, clueless, fat men

maybe sheer heart attack

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:17:04am

re: #415 lawhawk

Change Gritty to Grifty.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:17:36am

Nifty Grifty Dirt Band

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:17:40am

re: #415 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Too White Crew.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:17:51am

re: #417 DangerMan

[Embedded content]

nah. it was because of abortion… //

So the lack of a magical chant was why they lost. Sounds kinda witchy to me.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:18:13am
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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:18:31am

re: #420 lawhawk

This brings up the question of what exactly were these guys trying to buy?

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:19:28am
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Targetpractice  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:19:36am

re: #412 DangerMan

stacey explaining impeachment to kevin (effing house minority leader!) in one short paragraph

[Embedded content]

The biggest job of the Dems right now is to make clear that this inquiry is the functional equivalent of a grand jury, with the final vote not one of guilt or innocence but whether the House believes enough evidence exists to sustain criminal charges. And then twist the knife by saying that if articles go to the Senate and a trial is not held, it’s no different than a prosecutor allowing a mafia don to walk because of a pay-off.

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:19:48am

re: #426 lawhawk

I don’t have a subscription. Does it say what they supplied?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:20:04am

re: #427 Belafon

This brings up the question of what exactly were these guys trying to buy?

Power and influence as always.

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Targetpractice  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:20:54am

re: #415 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

“The Spin Doctors.”

*whisperwhisper*

Oh, right, they already exist.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:21:18am

re: #419 HappyWarrior

Yeah allowing ten runs in the first inning had nothing to do with it. FFS learn baseball and stop whining.

aside from their believing in some sort of ‘magic’, best comment i read:

How do you expect us to win at sports ball when we can’t racist?

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:21:45am

re: #423 jaunte

Nifty Grifty Dirt Band

I used that here:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:22:19am

re: #433 DangerMan

aside from their believing in some sort of ‘magic’, best comment i read:

It’s so insulting as a lifelong baseball fan.

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BigPapa  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:23:28am

McCarthy knows the House acts as the Grand Jury and the actual trial and if necessary ‘penalty’ phase is in the Senate. He’s banking on most of the base not knowing the difference.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:23:47am

re: #436 BigPapa

McCarthy knows the House acts as the Grand Jury and the actual trial and if necessary ‘penalty’ phase is in the Senate. He’s banking on most of the base not knowing the difference.

Absolutely

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:24:26am

re: #434 lawhawk

Nifty could also be changed to Shifty.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:25:05am

re: #9 jaunte

You need to tweet that to him, Jaunte.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:25:11am

re: #430 Belafon

“Background info”:

From the article:

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ft.com

“I got a quite a bit of background on Hunter Biden from the Chinese,” Mr Pillsbury told the Financial Times.

Mr Trump came under heavy criticism last week after publicly urging China to investigate the Bidens in a move that mirrored his request to the Ukraine’s president in a July phone call that has sparked an impeachment inquiry.

Mr Pillsbury’s comments to the FT came after he revealed on Fox Business that he had raised the issue of the Bidens during a visit to China a week ago.

“I tried to bring up the topic in Beijing,” Mr Pillsbury told the television channel. “I’ve never seen them get so secretive in my entire life. They would discuss ICBM warheads sooner than talk about what Hunter Biden was doing in China with [former] vice-president Biden.”

Mr Pillsbury, a China hawk who was widely seen as far from the mainstream before the Trump administration came to power, shares a similar stance on China to Peter Navarro, a trade adviser to Mr Trump. At a press conference last year, Mr Trump said Mr Pillsbury was “probably the leading authority on China”.

Mr Pillsbury declined to say whether he was asked to raise the issue by the president. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

Mr Trump has continued to push what most critics say are debunked conspiracy theories about Hunter Biden, in an effort to obtain comprising information on the son of Mr Biden, one of the frontrunners for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

The president has faced intense scrutiny about his claims in the two weeks since a CIA whistleblower said Mr Trump had pressured President Volodymyr Zelensky for personal gain, in a move that led White House officials to “lock down” the transcript.

There is no public evidence that Hunter Biden did anything illegal in his business dealings in Ukraine or China. But some critics have said his father should have done more to ensure there was not the perception of a conflict of interest when he was vice-president.

Background doesn’t mean a damned thing. It could be name, age, school, business ties, etc. Not anything illegal or even corrupt.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:25:12am
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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:26:34am

re: #429 Targetpractice

The biggest job of the Dems right now is to make clear that this inquiry is the functional equivalent of a grand jury, with the final vote not one of guilt or innocence but whether the House believes enough evidence exists to sustain criminal charges. And then twist the knife by saying that if articles go to the Senate and a trial is not held, it’s no different than a prosecutor allowing a mafia don to walk because of a pay-off.

agreed, i’d just change the words to active:

“if no trial is held it’s because Mafia Don paid off the prosecutor and the judge”

while the judge part might not be technically true, it’s just an analogy. its simple, easy, and everyone will be able to relate.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:27:09am

re: #415 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

pasted smiles

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:27:51am

re: #440 lawhawk

But some critics have said his father should have done more to ensure there was not the perception of a conflict of interest when he was vice-president.

My parents wish my brother would stop being a pain in the butt as well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:27:51am

Our executive branch is the sixth New York mafia family only with worse taste in fashion, food, & lawyers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:28:37am

re: #442 DangerMan

One my fears is that when an Impeachment trial does reach the Senate, Mcconnell will just Kangaroo Court it and make a complete fucking mockery of the whole damn thing.

Also, I’m STILL not discounting the possibility Trump gets re-elected next year.

This fight is FAR from over, folks.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:28:48am

re: #436 BigPapa

McCarthy knows the House acts as the Grand Jury and the actual trial and if necessary ‘penalty’ phase is in the Senate. He’s banking on most of the base not knowing the difference.

these days it’s hard for me to know when these guys are that clever or actually that ignorant

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:28:51am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Our executive branch is the sixth New York mafia family only with worse taste in fashion, food, & lawyers.

They had to move to DC because they weren’t good enough for New York.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:29:25am

Some Trump supporter or official—Flanigan?—was on NPR saying almost verbatim McCarthy’s lines about cross-examination in the House. When Inskeep explained as Stacey Abrams did above and added historical context, the guy just doubled down. They are determined to bend reality to their will.

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:30:15am

re: #446 Eclectic Cyborg

One my fears is that when an Impeachment trial does reach the Senate, Mcconnell will just Kangaroo Court it and make a complete fucking mockery of the whole damn thing.

Also, I’m STILL not discounting the possibility Trump gets re-elected next year.

This fight is FAR from over, folks.

As the polling for impeaching and removing continues to rise, McConnell doing that would start looking worse and worse for him and the party.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:30:24am

re: #440 lawhawk

“There is no public evidence that Hunter Biden did anything illegal in his business dealings in Ukraine or China. But some critics have said his father should have done more to ensure there was not the perception of a conflict of interest when he was vice-president.

i dont remember back that far

was there a perception of a conflict of interest at the time?

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gocart mozart  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:30:30am
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DodgerFan1988  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:32:01am

Republicans defending the genocide of Kurds.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:32:27am

re: #441 Patricia Kayden

follow the money

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:32:59am
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BigPapa  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:33:31am

re: #447 DangerMan

these days it’s hard for me to know when these guys are that clever or actually that ignorant

I think about that a lot but I’m to the point that the results end up being the same so it starts to not matter. The ignorance and malign motivations seem to be symptoms of a more basic cause: the ends justify the means when promoting or defending the cult.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:34:01am

re: #451 DangerMan

Not as far as I’m aware of.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:35:19am
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Jay C  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:35:39am

re: #442 DangerMan

agreed, i’d just change the words to active:

“if no trial is held it’s because Mafia Don paid off the prosecutor and the judge”

while the judge part might not be technically true, it’s just an analogy. its simple, easy, and everyone will be able to relate.

Except, of course, even though the CJSCOTUS is the “judge” at a Senate impeachment/removal “trial”, he doesn’t actually (IIRC) rule on anything, but is just the “manager” of the process; presumably, to keep the proceedings as decorous as possible.
Though G*d knows what sort of insane circus Trump’s defense team is likely to try to turn it into…..

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sagehen  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:35:48am

re: #440 lawhawk

“Background info”:

From the article:

There is no public evidence that Hunter Biden did anything illegal in his business dealings in Ukraine or China. But some critics have said his father should have done more to ensure there was not the perception of a conflict of interest when he was vice-president.

Would these “some critics” be the same people who see nothing wrong with Ivanka and her husband and her brothers’ receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from Iran and Turkey and Qatar and Saudi and… i’m sure there’s more…

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Targetpractice  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:39:55am

re: #449 Barefoot Grin

Some Trump supporter or official—Flanigan?—was on NPR saying almost verbatim McCarthy’s lines about cross-examination in the House. When Inskeep explained as Stacey Abrams did above and added historical context, the guy just doubled down. They are determined to bend reality to their will.

What you have at this point is the reality that the House Repubs cannot really provide any sort of defense for Trump in that house of Congress because (irony of ironies) most of the powers they would use to gum up the works were ones they stripped from the rules in order to free up their ability to attack Obama. So they’re trying to force a vote in the House so as to argue that, under precedent for prior impeachment proceedings, those powers would be granted back to them.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:40:28am

re: #446 Eclectic Cyborg

One my fears is that when an Impeachment trial does reach the Senate, Mcconnell will just Kangaroo Court it and make a complete fucking mockery of the whole damn thing.

Also, I’m STILL not discounting the possibility Trump gets re-elected next year.

This fight is FAR from over, folks.

i say this with no actual evidence.

- as long as the house doesnt really muck the whole thing up (hard to do with all this info floating around), if/when it gets to the senate it’s gonna be obvious.
- clear as a bell to everyone. what the crimes were. and what the process ought to be now.
- mcconnell and the r’s can play some games. roberts will push back some.
- in the end, too many shenanigans - too much parliamentary maneuvering trying to squash an actual ‘trial’ - is gonna be clear everyone too.

about the election - its way too early to say. a week is a long time in politics. these days, an hour is a week.

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gocart mozart  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:41:00am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:42:57am

She’s 82, and been in Congress since 1989. 20th, 18th, and now NY 17th district (that’s NYC commute districts)

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:43:28am

re: #455 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

no….
i was joking
but they did it anyway. totally on their own
should i not have accepted something they just gave me?

//

(yes. he’d say that. he already has. )

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:45:31am

re: #457 lawhawk

Not as far as I’m aware of.

so it’s similar to clinton’s email server

dems need to be psychic and predict what’s gonna be the thing that’s used against them in the future.

damn, if only E. Warren had ESP back in ‘72

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:45:32am

re: #464 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:45:45am

LOL, Sessions announced last week that he was going to get back into Congress via carpetbagging a district in Central Texas.

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Jay C  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:48:27am

re: #451 DangerMan

i dont remember back that far

was there a perception of a conflict of interest at the time?

I don’t recall any. Do you? Does anyone here?
Up until his name surfaced a couple of months ago in connection with Trump’s dirt-digging smearfest, I would have only recognized “Hunter Biden” because of his last name. And have to wiki it for any data.

And yeah, now that a few more dominoes have clattered to the floor, revealing another Ukraine-related corruption scheme (only this time firmly connected to Trumpworld), the RW media’s whattaboutist whining about the Bidens is going to sound increasingly hollow and lame. Though I’m sure we’ll be hearing a lot of in any case…

Amazing, though, about the Trump regime: virtually every attempt to use government resources to attack their political enemies has, on even preliminary minimal investigation, uncovered their own corruption and criminality.

The Trump Administration: The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Grift Straight.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:50:18am
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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:51:53am

Coward. All of the GOP are fucking cowards who enable Trump to the very end. Why?

Because Trump continues advancing their agenda as much as they caterwaul about the Kurds.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:52:43am

re: #470 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The whole point of Trump’s “legal team” is to conspire to crime by any means necessary and hope that no one knows about the crime fraud exception.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:53:41am

re: #471 lawhawk

Yeah, no points for this. They just know it’s getting to be less toxic to become less supportive of Trump in conservative circles and are jumping on the bandwagon.

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Mescalero09  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:53:48am
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BigPapa  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:54:51am

I’ve read but haven’t been able to confirm that Global Energy Partners has as advisers Lewandowski and that goon Sheriff Ruckus (David Clarke). And, Guilfoyle, Fredo’s squeeze, as an employee.

They all know what was going down and they all know it was wrong.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:58:21am

re: #475 BigPapa

I’ve read but haven’t been able to confirm that Global Energy Partners has as advisers Lewandowski and that goon Sheriff Ruckus (David Clarke). And, Guilfoyle, Fredo’s squeeze, as an employee.

They all know what was going down and they all know it was wrong.

Not the Sheriff too!

Shocked!!

lock them all up!

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gocart mozart  Oct 10, 2019 • 9:59:46am

REM Exhuming McCarthy W/ lyrics

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:03:56am

re: #475 BigPapa

I’ve read but haven’t been able to confirm that Global Energy Partners has as advisers Lewandowski and that goon Sheriff Ruckus (David Clarke). And, Guilfoyle, Fredo’s squeeze, as an employee.

They all know what was going down and they all know it was wrong.

That’s some quality personnel right there!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:06:11am

re: #471 lawhawk

I’ve been wondering if we’d see this kind of psychological displacement. A lot of Republicans never stopped hating Trump, but they can’t allow themselves to be seen siding with Democrats regarding his illegal behavior towards a Democrat, so they’re searching for a way to sublimate that impulse into a form that is more acceptable within their subgroup. The Kurds form a convenient catalyst for this laundering of their feelings from something they can’t allow themselves to express anger over into something they can. Deep down I doubt they give a fuck about the Kurds at all.

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:08:35am

re: #479 goddamnedfrank

Also why we got the claim that there’d be a bunch of Senate GOPers who’d vote to remove if the vote were secret?

They’re all cowards afraid of their own constituents who wanted Trump in the first place, and they don’t care about the lies and criminality, even if the electeds suddenly realize all the criming will take them down too.

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Targetpractice  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:09:28am

re: #479 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

I’ve been wondering if we’d see this kind of psychological sublimation. A lot of Republicans hate Trump, but can’t allow themselves to be seen siding with Democrats regarding his illegal behavior towards a Democrat, so they’re searching for a way to convert their impulse into form more acceptable within their subgroup.

The biggest problem with that is their base is habitually conditioned to take Trump’s side of any topic, so those who once supported the Kurds now see abandoning them as an acceptable trade-off for “leaving” the Middle East. The same morons who were cheering the deployment of troops to Saudi Arabia just a month ago now think pulling out of Syria is about anything but Trump being conned/blackmailed into greenlighting genocide.

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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:09:43am

re: #471 lawhawk

Coward. All of the GOP are fucking cowards who enable Trump to the very end. Why?

Because Trump continues advancing their agenda as much as they caterwaul about the Kurds.

If saving the Kurds will get them to boot Trump, then we’re all going to help save the Kurds. (Note, I’m not saying it helps our side that he abandoned the Kurds. There is no scenario where I will argue that abandoning the Kurds is a good thing.)

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:10:08am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:11:45am

re: #479 goddamnedfrank

Edited to clarify my point better, reload.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:12:56am
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:13:11am

re: #396 DangerMan

- watch as this becomes an increasingly common argument.
- and while it’s nearly merrick garland territory, it’s actually much worse.
- it’s equating “who should be president” with impeachment/removal for violating the constitution.
- it attempts to invalidate impeachment (trial and removal for cause) as a function at all, regardless of the timing in the 4 year term.

finally, as random disqus poster pointed out:

All that, but mainly it’s cowardice. He’d be voting in the impeachment trial. Whichever way he voted would be bad for his re-election chances (2020), the way public opinion is going. (Since he doesn’t have a conscience or patriotism, that’s his only possible consideration — after the time he’s spent in the Senate, he won’t be strapped for cash even if he loses.)

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:15:35am

NATO ally Norway suspends new arms exports to Turkey over Syria offensive

Norway, a NATO ally of Turkey, announces it’s suspending all new arms exports to the country after Ankara launched a military offensive against Kurdish forces in northern Syria.

“Given that the situation is complex and changing quickly, the foreign ministry as a precautionary measure will not handle any new demands for exports of defence material or material for multiple uses… to Turkey,” Norwegian Foreign Minister Ine Eriksen Soreide says in an email sent to AFP.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:16:33am

re: #479 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

I’ve been wondering if we’d see this kind of psychological displacement. A lot of Republicans never stopped hating Trump, but they can’t allow themselves to be seen siding with Democrats regarding his illegal behavior towards a Democrat, so they’re searching for a way to sublimate that impulse into form that is more acceptable within their subgroup. The Kurds form a convenient catalyst for this laundering of their feelings from something they can’t allow themselves to be angry about to something they can. Deep down I doubt they give a fuck about the Kurds at all.

I think you’re on to something. I think this is also why some of them appeared to jump ship after the access Hollywood tape got out too. It should be fun to watch the infighting as Trump becomes more isolated and the fight between Trump toadies like Jordan and opportunists like the leadership becomes apparent. Trump made a united GOP front against impeachment and removal unlikely with this stunt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:16:57am

re: #421 DangerMan

[Embedded content]

old, white, clueless, fat men

maybe sheer heart attack

Pussygrabber Riot

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:17:14am

Finland suspended arms sale to Turkey, Minister of Defense

Finnish Defense Minister Antti Kaikkonen said on Twitter: “The situation is severe. Regarding my area of ​​responsibility, I would say this: Finland does not export defense materials to warring countries or countries that violate human rights.

No new license will be granted to sell arms to Turkey by the Defense Ministry. As for previously approved licenses, the review is under way, the minister said.

The government also made a written statement saying that they support the EU statement. “Finland condemns the Turkish attack on Syria and wants it to end.”

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lawhawk  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:18:11am

Everything still goes back to Manafort (who got Trump to pick Pence as VP).

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:19:34am

re: #474 Mescalero09

[Embedded content]

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:20:30am

re: #485 jaunte

Rudy G right now:

Bender shits bricks

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:21:17am

We are going to spend decades trying to unravel all the corruption, graft and criminality of Trump and his crime family…and we almost certainly will never find the true extent of it.

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gocart mozart  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:22:51am
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Belafon  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:24:28am

re: #494 Scottish Dragon

We are going to spend decades trying to unravel all the corruption, graft and criminality of Trump and his crime family…and we almost certainly will never find the true extent of it.

Trump is exposing a big spot in the grift world that had been kept secret for a long time. If we get people like the NY AG going after him, and the next administration pursues it, we could uncover things we didn’t know existed. It won’t uncover everything, but Trump is exposing routes that were unknown until now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:25:50am

re: #496 Belafon

Trump is exposing a big spot in the grift world that had been kept secret for a long time. If we get people like the NY AG going after him, and the next administration pursues it, we could uncover things we didn’t know existed. It won’t uncover everything, but Trump is exposing routes that were unknown until now.

it was his own initiative over Biden/Ukraine that stirred up the current hornet’s nest…

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:25:52am
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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:26:42am

re: #471 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Coward. All of the GOP are fucking cowards who enable Trump to the very end. Why?

Because Trump continues advancing their agenda as much as they caterwaul about the Kurds.

The Kurds are just the latest “kids in cages”

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:28:33am

re: #475 BigPapa

I’ve read but haven’t been able to confirm that Global Energy Partners has as advisers Lewandowski and that goon Sheriff Ruckus (David Clarke). And, Guilfoyle, Fredo’s squeeze, as an employee.

They all know what was going down and they all know it was wrong.

And what energy expertise do they each bring to the table?

501
Targetpractice  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:29:17am

re: #492 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

Time to bring back an oldie, but goodie:

“Twenty twenty twenty four hours to go
I’m gonna be indicted
Nothing to do, no quid to to pro quo
I’m gonna be indicted

Just get me to the airport, put me on a plane
Hurry hurry hurry, my dad has gone insane
He can’t control his tweeting, he’s afraid of a little rain
Oh oh oh oh oh oh”

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:31:41am

re: #471 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Coward. All of the GOP are fucking cowards who enable Trump to the very end. Why?

Because Trump continues advancing their agenda as much as they caterwaul about the Kurds.

I’m waiting to hear this from someone who’s not retiring.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:33:15am
504
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:35:26am

One of three things can happen that the Trump Org is fearing:

1) Trump will be called on to give sworn testimony

= he will wind up contradicting either himself of other sworn testimony within minutes

2) Tax returns will be subpoenaed or leaked

= there will be no question of just how deep DT is in certain people’s pockets

3) Other nasty kompromat will be leaked

= actually more distracting than damaging at this point unless it involves minors or animals…

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:36:16am

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Story: Trump is calling Mitch McConnell as often as three times a day. [Embedded content]

Trump is trying to not be impeached, convicted, indicted, tried and convicted.

McConnell is hoping Trump can hang on long enough to appoint another US Supreme Court judge.

The Evangelicals are hoping Trump can hang on long enough to overturn Roe v. Wade and repeal the Johnson amendment.

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DangerMan  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:40:09am

re: #505 BeenHereAwhile

Trump is trying to not be impeached, convicted, indicted, tried and convicted.

McConnell is hoping Trump can hang on long enough to appoint another US Supreme Court judge.

The Evangelicals are hoping Trump can hang on long enough to overturn Roe v. Wade and repeal the Johnson amendment.

and while we certainly hope not, imagine that
- within a year of an election
- and worse, while under an impeachment inquiry

what’s that mitch rule? oh, only for D presidents

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:44:43am

re: #352 Belafon

It’s always friday now, at 4:30pm, late enough to do a news dump, too early to drink.

Gotta disagree with that part. In trump times, “too early to drink” ends with the sunrise…

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wrenchwench  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:45:32am

re: #501 Targetpractice

Time to bring back an oldie, but goodie:

“Twenty twenty twenty four hours to go
I’m gonna be indicted
Nothing to do, no quid to to pro quo
I’m gonna be indicted

Just get me to the airport, put me on a plane
Hurry hurry hurry, my dad has gone insane
He can’t control his tweeting, he’s afraid of a little rain
Oh oh oh oh oh oh”

I instantly heard Joey as I read that.

509
Acemarilllion  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:50:23am

re: #415 lawhawk

Shifty Grifty Dirt Bagz

510
BeenHereAwhile  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:50:52am

re: #149 gocart mozart

New Who

[Embedded content]

Video

I started the day today by listening to:
(selected album cuts compiled on my handheld)

3 Quadrophenia
6 I’m One
8 Helpless Dancer
9 Is It In My Head
10 I’ve Had Enough

Still good after 48 or so years.

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stpaulbear  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:56:33am

re: #487 jaunte

NATO ally Norway suspends new arms exports to Turkey over Syria offensive

Norway, a NATO ally of Turkey, announces it’s suspending all new arms exports to the country after Ankara launched a military offensive against Kurdish forces in northern Syria.

“Given that the situation is complex and changing quickly, the foreign ministry as a precautionary measure will not handle any new demands for exports of defence material or material for multiple uses… to Turkey,” Norwegian Foreign Minister Ine Eriksen Soreide says in an email sent to AFP.

What are the odds that Trump tweets about this. NORWEY CAN WITHHOLD WEAPONS FROM TURKEY AND IT’S OK. WHY CAN’T I WITHHOLD WEAPONS FROM THE UKRANE!!!

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plansbandc  Oct 10, 2019 • 10:59:31am

re: #365 makeitstop

The jealousy. It burns.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 10, 2019 • 11:52:05am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Our executive branch is the sixth New York mafia family only with worse taste in fashion, food, & lawyers.

Albeit the ones I dealt with were from New Jersey, but they would have never made Trump because “he talks too much.”


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