Bolton Is “Prepared to Testify” in Trump’s Impeachment Trial

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Former national security adviser and rabid war-hawk Islamophobe John Bolton is now saying he’s willing to testify in the Senate impeachment trial… if he’s subpoenaed.

The House has concluded its Constitutional responsibility by adopting Articles of Impeachment related to the Ukraine matter. It now falls to the Senate to fulfill its Constitutional obligation to try impeachments, and it does not appear possible that a final judicial resolution of the still-unanswered Constitutional questions can be obtained before the Senate acts.

Accordingly, since my testimony is once again at issue, I have had to resolve the serious competing issues as best I could, based on careful consideration and study. I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify.

This could be bad news for Donald Trump, depending on how much ill will Bolton has toward him. On the other hand, it wouldn’t be the least bit surprising if he does testify but does his best to whitewash Trump’s crimes.

UPDATE at 1/6/20 10:25:04 am by Charles Johnson

Adam Schiff weighs in:

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286 comments

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:18:20am

Its a tarp.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:21:08am

If Bolton’s willing to testify for the Senate after getting a subpoena, he sure as fuck can testify before the House as to the same.

But this is about pressuring the GOP controlled Senate to allow witnesses, and if he doesn’t testify in the Senate, you can be sure that the House will set up counterprogramming with Bolton’s testimony front and center.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:21:50am

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Its a tarp.

TARP? That’s a successful bailout.

A trap? That’s what happens when you have a know-nothing running the US foreign policy into the ground to the benefit of foreign powers.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:27:17am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:32:38am

re: #3 lawhawk

TARP? That’s a successful bailout.

A trap? That’s what happens when you have a know-nothing running the US foreign policy into the ground to the benefit of foreign powers.

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

this is a tarp

It’s a tarp!
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:34:09am

That’s it, I’m giving up stand up.

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Jay C  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:34:12am

re: #3 lawhawk

TARP? That’s a successful bailout.

A trap? That’s what happens when you have a know-nothing running the US foreign policy into the ground to the benefit of foreign powers.

1. I think IWPNT was being sarcastic (“it’s a tarp” is a common Internet joke)

2. This could be a trap, in fact: that Bolton’s testimony could be “damning” to Trump is a pretty common assumption, though with this gang of cretins, the idea of “pulling a fast one” - where Bolton gets up and testifies that Trump did absolutely nothing wrong, etc - and then Mitch McConnell and the Senate GOP rush a vote to dismiss all charges and hip hooray - shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand.
Not that they WILL do it, of course: but I’m sure the IDEA has been floated in the WH by some imbecile or other.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:34:59am

I’ll believe what the mustachioed motherfather says when he testifies before the House Intelligence Committee.

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garzooma  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:35:08am

re: #181 makeitstop

[from previous thread]
I’d love to see them play hell with Trump properties - not necessarily property damage, but […]

Property damage would be useless, since his properties burst into flames on their own (see here). :-)

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:37:25am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:37:33am

re: #9 garzooma

Property damage would be useless, since his properties burst into flames on their own (see here). :-)

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:39:46am

as to the op,

once you’ve stated that you’re willing to speak and not pre-claim any sort of exec priv, then you dont get to decide whose legal demand for testimony you will honor or whose you will ignore

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:44:55am

re: #7 Jay C

I doubt that Bolton’s going to say that Trump didn’t do anything wrong, when Hill’s testified to the fact Bolton had her come forward because he thought Trump did something wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:46:02am

re: #13 lawhawk

I doubt that Bolton’s going to say that Trump didn’t do anything wrong, when Hill’s testified to the fact Bolton had her come forward because he thought Trump did something wrong.

Have to agree and I can’t see Bolton having any sort of loyalty to Trump at all.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:47:15am

Okay so why is it he would not testify to congress? Or had his guy fight the very idea?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:47:46am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Have to agree and I can’t see Bolton having any sort of loyalty to Trump at all.

Trump’s Pulpit Pimps are gonna have to double down on the praying to JC and his Sonshine Band when Bolton goes public!

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:49:24am

re: #15 Rightwingconspirator

Okay so why is it he would not testify to congress? Or had his guy fight the very idea?

His excuse on not testifying to the House is that he needed a subpoena, which Trump was challenging through the courts. It will be the same issue with the Senate.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:49:47am

Have we really reached such a fucked up point in American politics where our hopes are riding on John Bolton and his horrible mustache to tip the scales against Trump?

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:51:14am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Have we really reached such a fucked up point in American politics where our hopes are riding on John Bolton and his horrible mustache to tip the scales against Trump?

I’m not hoping for anything related to Bolton. I’m almost entirely focused on the elections this fall. Anything that brings Trump down before then will be bonus.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:52:56am

re: #11 Joe Bacon 🌹

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:54:35am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Have we really reached such a fucked up point in American politics where our hopes are riding on John Bolton and his horrible mustache to tip the scales against Trump?

Yes.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:54:53am

Wow, instant pile-on by Ricky Gervais fans for that one.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:55:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:57:58am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Wow, instant pile-on by Ricky Gervais fans for that one.

I really liked his most recent series, “After Life”, in which he plays a complete asshole, but I think he forgot to hang up the role when the series ended.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2020 • 10:59:37am

The country is in a crisis and he’s demanding a subpoena. Fuck Bolton.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:05:25am

don’t hold back, John!

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William Lewis  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:05:43am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Wow, instant pile-on by Ricky Gervais fans for that one.

Is it a bad thing that I googled his name and still don’t have a clue who he is or why I should give a fuck what he thinks?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:05:56am

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really liked his most recent series, “After Life”, in which he plays a complete asshole, but I think he forgot to hang up the role when the series ended.

That wasn’t an act.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:06:53am

uh wut?

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:07:18am

re: #27 William Lewis

Is it a bad thing that I googled his name and still don’t have a clue who he is or why I should give a fuck what he thinks?

He was in charge of the Museum in the Night at the Museum movies. He was also the host at the Golden Globes last night.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:08:36am

re: #25 jaunte

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The country is in a crisis and he’s demanding a subpoena. Fuck Bolton.

Money!! Book sales!! Book sales!!

When is his book ready to be published? Maybe Nancy should delay until reporters have access to the first draft of his magnum opus.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:09:04am

He was also the boss in the British version of The Office.

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William Lewis  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:10:02am

re: #30 Belafon

He was in charge of the Museum in the Night at the Museum movies. He was also the host at the Golden Globes last night.

IOW a meaningless actor who I don’t know because I never bothered to watch the so called comedies he was in? Gotcha.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:15:31am
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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:15:32am

re: #32 Belafon

He was also the boss in the British version of The Office.

Also one of the hosts of a show called An Idiot Abroad, where they took some yob and sent him to various spots around the globe.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:17:43am

Re: Bolton. Despite his other sins — and they are legend — he wants America to bestride the world like colossus, and Trump is succeeding in reducing our nation to an ineffectual laughing stock. So a real conflict for him: he desires war with Iran but hates Trump for his damage to our status in the world. What to do? what to do?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:20:41am
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Weaselone  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:21:30am

What exactly did Gervais do that goes beyond his general I’m an equal opportunity a-hole schtick?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:22:23am

re: #34 jaunte

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Somebody forgot about how silent Trump and the Republicans got after 4 servicemen were slaughtered in Niger…Note how Republicans just conveniently forgot to hold hearings about that????

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VegasGolfer  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:23:18am

Fuck Ricky Gervais. He doesn’t use anything made in Chinese sweat shops right? And his butt licking followers didn’t twitter in any devices made in China right?
And him playing an asshole in his roles is him just being himself

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Jay C  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:26:52am

re: #39 Joe Bacon 🌹

Somebody forgot about how silent Trump and the Republicans got after 4 servicemen were slaughtered in Niger…Note how Republicans just conveniently forgot to hold hearings about that????

So maybe the House Armed Services Committee ought to be looking into the Kenyan attack? And the Niger one? With maybe a few pointed reminders about why these incidents haven’t been publicized by the Admin/DoD/GOP??

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:28:56am
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Mattand  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:30:55am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Have we really reached such a fucked up point in American politics where our hopes are riding on John Bolton and his horrible mustache to tip the scales against Trump?

Yep.

The same John Bolton who probably has had a days-long orgasm over the fact that we are on the brink of war with Iran.

It’s also entirely possible that Bolton would sandbag any potential impeachment testimony if the end result meant Trump staying in power and murdering millions of civilians by nuking Iran.

I think his desire for the wholesale annihilation of Iran outweighs any lingering animosity he harbors towards Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:32:14am

re: #41 Jay C

So maybe the House Armed Services Committee ought to be looking into the Kenyan attack? And the Niger one? With maybe a few pointed reminders about why these incidents haven’t been publicized by the Admin/DoD/GOP??

I remember Rep Wilson and a war widow being mocked because Trump was completely unsympathetic since she was a family friend of the deceased. Then Trump did something else.

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aatharuv  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:33:55am

I highly suspect that he’s “Prepared to Testify” because he knows McConnell isn’t going to call him as a witness, especially, since he’s apparently saying through backchannels that he’s going to have some damning testimony against Trump.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:35:48am

President Donald Trump is on the Rush Limbaugh show now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:38:30am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:40:52am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s a creepy dick.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:41:51am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:44:35am
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aatharuv  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:45:05am

re: #41 Jay C

The Niger attack on American soldiers was a direct consequence of Trump’s Muslim travel ban — it occurred after Chad (which was cooperating with us on anti-Boko Haram operations in West Africa), pulled its troops out and stopped cooperating with us after being placed on the list.

newsweek.com

theatlantic.com

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steve_davis  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:45:11am

re: #3 lawhawk

TARP? That’s a successful bailout.

A trap? That’s what happens when you have a know-nothing running the US foreign policy into the ground to the benefit of foreign powers.re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Have we really reached such a fucked up point in American politics where our hopes are riding on John Bolton and his horrible mustache to tip the scales against Trump?

I don’t have any confidence in Bolton. I have full confidence, though, in his mustache to tell the truth.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:49:25am

re: #52 steve_davis

Do you have to subpoena John Bolton’s mustache separately?!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 11:51:11am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So The Tory Twit agrees with Milo…

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Semper Fi  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:05:15pm

re: #53 Shropshire Slasher

Do you have to subpoena John Bolton’s mustache separately?!

Bolton must be starving…mustache sweeps everything off the fork before he can get it in his mouth.

/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:06:17pm

And look who else now wants to be a spoiler for 2020!

Former 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Lincoln Chafee is taking another shot at the White House, this time as a member of the Libertarian Party.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:08:26pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:10:32pm

Bolton is demanding a subpeona so he can testify AND keep his GOP cred. With a subpoena he can be like: “Hey look guys, I’m sorry. They made me do this.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:12:02pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:18:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:19:29pm

Ricky Gervais fans are still coming at me on Twitter. They seem to think Gervais didn’t know his rant was going to appeal to the right.

He knew.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:20:41pm

re: #60 I Would Prefer Not To

Trump’s going to claim success in his claim that he got the US out of Iraq.

Never mind that he was given the boot, or that he ended anti-ISIS operations in a snit, or that he abandoned our Kurdish allies to be slaughtered by ISIS and Turkish forces, or that abandoning Iraq means Iran has greater sway, or that Russia fills the vacuum left by the US leaving (just as Russia entered and took over bases we abandoned in Syria).

This is about Trump branding failure as success and knowing his base wont give a shit either way.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:20:51pm

re: #61 Dread Pirate

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So where are those troops going to move?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:21:39pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon 🌹

So where are those troops going to move?

Yeah….that’s what I’m wondering.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:27:02pm

re: #60 I Would Prefer Not To

from the AP

U.S.-led coalition tells Iraqi military it will withdraw from Iraq: letter.

re: #61 Dread Pirate

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:29:14pm
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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:29:19pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Trump’s going to claim success in his claim that he got the US out of Iraq.

Never mind that he was given the boot, or that he ended anti-ISIS operations in a snit, or that he abandoned our Kurdish allies to be slaughtered by ISIS and Turkish forces, or that abandoning Iraq means Iran has greater sway, or that Russia fills the vacuum left by the US leaving (just as Russia entered and took over bases we abandoned in Syria).

This is about Trump branding failure as success and knowing his base wont give a shit either way.

You’re forgetting Trump threating to stay if Iraq didn’t pay up.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:29:30pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

Re-deploy to Saudi Arabia, perhaps? Of course, that could be problematic as well.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:30:56pm

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

Re-deploy to Saudi Arabia, perhaps? Of course, that could be problematic as well.

Al Qaeda’s list of grievances started with US forces being stationed in KSA.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:32:02pm

McConnell is whining on TV. Fuck him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:32:10pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:32:31pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Al Qaeda’s list of grievances started with US forces being stationed in KSA.

Precisely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:34:22pm

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

Re-deploy to Saudi Arabia, perhaps? Of course, that could be problematic as well.

the troops from Ft Bragg are being sent to Kuwait, so that’s a possibility

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:35:23pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:35:49pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

the troops from Ft Bragg are being sent to Kuwait, so that’s a possibility

Yeah, maybe Kuwait.

What a clusterfuck this has all ended up being. And I’d be willing to bet a dollar or two that right now, Putin is smiling from ear to ear.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:36:21pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon 🌹

So where are those troops going to move?

KSA, probably. After all, they pay cash.

//

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:39:04pm

Gosar is a punk.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:39:13pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Amazing to see what a prostitute Turley is.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:39:24pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:43:45pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon 🌹

So where are those troops going to move?

I hear there are some Trump properties that have a few empty rooms…

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:44:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:44:34pm

re: #78 makeitstop

Gosar is a punk.

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Wasn’t he the dude whose own family aired a PSA against him?

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:45:37pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Wasn’t he the dude whose own family aired a PSA against him?

That’s the guy. The dentist who claims to be a body language expert.

Punk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:45:38pm
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sagehen  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:46:00pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

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16/10.

They’re all good dogs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:46:56pm

re: #55 Semper Fi

Bolton must be starving…mustache sweeps everything off the fork before he can get it in his mouth.

/

You joke, but I had a friend who would let is beard and mustache grow for 6 months between trimming. When he ate soup, the mustache would take some of each spoonful and dribble it down his beard. It was really disturbing to watch. On the plus side, he showered daily, so at least he cleaned the food out on a regular basis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:47:38pm

O_o

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:48:20pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

Nope, Mitch. Not going to work that way.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:49:01pm

re: #89 Belafon

Nope, Mitch. Not going to work that way.

In others words, I’m being investigated, lets start a war.

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Jay C  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:50:02pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Sure, Mitch: “National unity”??
Good idea: canvass your caucus to vote to remove the Orange Anus: and get Sen. Schumer to go along to make it 100-0.
How’s THAT for “unity”??

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:50:11pm

re: #89 Belafon

Nope, Mitch. Not going to work that way.

If he wanted unity, maybe he should have told Trump to brief everyone on his bonehead move.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:50:12pm

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ll believe what the mustachioed motherfather says when he testifies before the House Intelligence Committee.

That’s where I am. All the fuckers that ignored the first subpoenas should be subpoenaed again. The court has spoken.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:52:09pm

re: #93 Eventual Carrion

That’s where I am. All the fuckers that ignored the first subpoenas should be subpoenaed again.

Only this time the subpoenas should also come with a free swarm of BEES!

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:53:09pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:53:30pm

Fuck, this is the 1st week back and we gotta deal with this Bullshit?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:56:39pm

re: #96 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Fuck, this is the 1st week back and we gotta deal with this Bullshit?

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Andy never heard of Ron Jeremy…

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 6, 2020 • 12:57:18pm

re: #97 Joe Bacon 🌹

Andy never heard of Ron Jeremy…

Or John Holmes.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:00:50pm

Well, time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:02:44pm

Random thought:

What exactly is the point of organic 200 proof culinary solvent (iow pure food grade ethanol) ?

I mean compared to regular, how the fuck is any meaningful level of pesticide in the corn surviving that level of distillation?

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Jay C  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:04:50pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Random thought:

What exactly is the point of organic 200 proof culinary solvent (iow pure food grade ethanol) ?

I mean compared to regular, how the fuck is any meaningful level of pesticide in the corn surviving that level of distillation?

It isn’t: but then, that’s what you’re paying your whatever-percent “organic” premium for: to be sure.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:07:12pm

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

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garzooma  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:08:15pm

re: #38 Weaselone

What exactly did Gervais do that goes beyond his general I’m an equal opportunity a-hole schtick?

I didn’t see what Gervais did, but here’s an article that discusses it from The Atlantic:

In a generally sour speech—Gervais had earlier emphasized how little he cared about the Golden Globes, and had suggested that Dame Judi Dench licks her nether regions—this was the acid-bomb climax. There was no conciliation, no wink in Gervais’s voice. It’s tempting to call this his moment of moral clarity, and it was likely aimed to be played on loop by Fox News and other outlets that make a habit of questioning Hollywood’s pieties. The passage is so close to saying the necessary thing about those pieties: that they’re often directed at broad causes rather than specific situations stars might actually have the power to change. But Gervais instead devolved into something more incoherent and regressive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:12:43pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Only this time the subpoenas should also come with a free swarm of BEES!

WASPS! because, unlike bees, wasps can sting over and over and over again/

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:13:03pm

Yep, it’s a shitshow alright

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:13:31pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Dude who admitted he buries almost any legislation Dems send to his desk complains about a lack of Unity.

Sure, Jan.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:15:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:16:09pm

re: #103 garzooma

I didn’t see what Gervais did, but here’s an article that discusses it from The Atlantic:


Ricky Gervais Tells Hollywood to “F— Off” in Expletive-Filled Golden Globes Monologue

video at the link

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:19:08pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

Sigh. This is what happens when a bunch of your top officials leave and the President doesn’t consult his advisers before making decisions.

NO ONE knows what the fuck is going on. Jesus H. Christ.

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:19:54pm
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sagehen  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:20:02pm

re: #95 gocart mozart

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the woman in the leopard-print, standing behind the woman in pink, looks like Michael Jackson.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:21:31pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon 🌹

So where are those troops going to move?

Trump Hotel, Istanbul.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:21:45pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

Another old and out of touch guy named Joe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:23:43pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

Okay, can I have a show of hands of ANYONE who’s surprised by “Even-The-Liberal-Joe” Lieberman praising this shit?

Anyone?

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:26:01pm

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

Dude who admitted he buries almost any legislation Dems send to his desk complains about a lack of Unity.

Sure, Jan.

Merrick Garland.

Can’t repeat this often enough. Merrick Garland.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:26:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:28:55pm
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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:30:35pm

Holy shit, these people are fucking stupid.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:34:18pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

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So is taking a shit in the middle of the floor of the Vatican front foyer, doesn’t mean it is right.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:39:13pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:41:06pm

re: #120 lawhawk

$50 says it wasn’t a mistake.

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Citizen K  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:41:23pm

Reminder: This is exactly the reason why CNN hired Cillizza in the first place. They want such sterling analysis like this, because somehow, it’s supposed to make them look nice and unbiased and hopefully draw conservative viewers in.

The fact that it hasn’t doesn’t matter, it’ll just take a little more kowtowing and Dem-punching and for sure, conservative viewers will take them seriously!!

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:41:42pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, it’s accurate alright - but everyone is so fucking incompetent that they’re falling over themselves because no one knows what they’re doing and messaging and lying and dissembling is what they do.

It’s incompetence on display.

Could it mean that someone wanted to show exactly what Trump was thinking with the draft and released it before it was made official? Yeah - embarrass Trump and get him away from thinking of doing this?

Like that worked so well when offered the opportunity to whack Suleimani?

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:44:08pm

Does anybody know when Colbert is back?

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:44:31pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

“He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things — terrible, yes, but great.” - Garrick Ollivander

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:45:49pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

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LIEberman rises from the grave…

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:46:40pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

They had to find a (male) Democrat somewhere that would agree.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:48:39pm

re: #118 makeitstop

Holy shit, these people are fucking stupid.

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Gen. Milley went on to state that he really likes his job and would prefer not to get a tweet from the WH announcing his “retirement.”

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Citizen K  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:49:28pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

re: #126 Joe Bacon 🌹

LIEberman rises from the grave…

Lieberman is exactly the kind of person I point to when I hear the laughable shit about how Dems keep going rightward and have gone further right than ever before. It’s like…motherfuckers, you haven’t even seen Blue Dogs in the party since the dumbasses wiped themselves out in 2010 by abandoning Obama en masse. Lieberman’s retirement alone centers the party further left than any post-9/11 point.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:49:52pm

Trump’s Asses are in full hole-ing mode!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:53:56pm

re: #129 Citizen K

Lieberman is exactly the kind of person I point to when I hear the laughable shit about how Dems keep going rightward and have gone further right than ever before. It’s like…motherfuckers, you haven’t even seen Blue Dogs in the party since the dumbasses wiped themselves out in 2010 by abandoning Obama en masse. Lieberman’s retirement alone centers the party further left than any post-9/11 point.

Seriously if the most right wing idea you have for a Dem is Biden, you ain’t seen nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:55:09pm
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Citizen K  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:56:04pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Seriously if the most right wing idea you have for a Dem is Biden, you ain’t seen nothing.

I mean…I still have huge concerns about Biden as it is. Nowhere near enough that I wouldn’t vote for him in the general, because hell no I’m letting that happen. But yeah, like…anything analyzing how far left or right the Dem party has gone without mentioning the names Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller, or the words “Blue Dogs” is fucking null and void to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:57:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:58:33pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 1:59:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:01:11pm

re: #133 Citizen K

I mean…I still have huge concerns about Biden as it is. Nowhere near enough that I wouldn’t vote for him in the general, because hell no I’m letting that happen. But yeah, like…anything analyzing how far left or right the Dem party has gone without mentioning the names Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller, or the words “Blue Dogs” is fucking null and void to me.

Exactly

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aatharuv  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:01:15pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s blatantly illegal under the treaties passed to grant the United Nations headquarters its special status — The US must provide visas to people working at UN head quarters or UN member states official staying at the UN, even if they’re limited to free transit between the UN, and limited to travelling into the US through JFK.

I half wonder if Donnie wants to somehow acquire the land where the UN HQ lives…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:01:45pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fuck

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:02:15pm

re: #138 aatharuv

That’s blatantly illegal under the treaties passed to grant the United Nations headquarters its special status — The US must provide visas to people working at UN head quarters or UN member states official staying at the UN, even if they’re limited to free transit between the UN, and limited to travelling into the US through JFK.

It’s cute how you think this Admin gives a shit about laws.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:02:26pm
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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:02:31pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just what the Wingers want.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:02:32pm

re: #138 aatharuv

That’s blatantly illegal under the treaties passed to grant the United Nations headquarters its special status — The US must provide visas to people working at UN head quarters or UN member states official staying at the UN, even if they’re limited to free transit between the UN, and limited to travelling into the US through JFK.

You say illegal. I’m having trouble finding what he’s done that is legal.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:02:51pm

Leaving aside for the moment the obvious reality that the “draft letter” didn’t end up in the hands of the media without somebody involved in its creation giving it to them, the obvious question is “Why write such a letter if you have no intent on following through with it?” Think it’s pretty obvious that somebody(s) within the Pentagon are sending a clear message that their CinC is out of his gourd and they’re not prepared to fight WWIII.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:03:14pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey it looks comfy enough.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:04:05pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s cute how you think this Admin gives a shit about laws.

/

“He’s the President! He can do whatever he likes under Article II because that was the intent of the Founders! NOBODY CAN QUESTION HIS ACTIONS!”

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aatharuv  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:04:56pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t have any illusions to the slightest, but Zarif has entered the US at times post Trump subject to the traditional restrictions on Iranian diplomats, consular, and other government officials in the US since the Islamic revolution (no more than a certain miles from the UN HQ, or the Iranian interests section in DC)..

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:05:07pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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really mitch?
exactly why should there be a moment for national unity?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:07:07pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:08:30pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is juvenile level shit. “Go ask your Father.” “Go ask your Mother.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:09:41pm

JFC

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:09:48pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The buck stops with anywhere but here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:10:37pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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It can’t be forgotten that this is still happening.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:11:02pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

It can’t be forgotten that this is still happening.

they aren’t even pretending anymore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:12:18pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:13:07pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dear Iraq,

Disregard letter, sent in error.

Best.
US Military

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:14:19pm

:D

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:15:09pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:16:11pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #156 Targetpractice

::: crossed eyes :::
No one has any idea of what it going on not even DT.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:17:32pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:17:40pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

The buck stops with anywhere but here.

The buck stops uhhhh….somewhere….maybe….to be honest I don’t really know.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:19:19pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

The buck stops uhhhh….somewhere….maybe….to be honest I don’t really know.

I miss sane leadership. This has been a flustering three years.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:19:28pm

I know a lot of RWNJs are confused about the withdrawal issue because they assumed that Obama didn’t have to respect the agreement on draw-down that the Bush administration signed. He respected Iraq’s wishes and in the aftermath ISIS gained force, so the right blamed Obama for the creation of ISIS (and it was dumb to call them “JV” to be fair). Anyway, they are operating under the same set of assumptions.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:19:52pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I miss sane leadership. This has been a flustering three years.

And we might have five more left but God, I hope not.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:20:04pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

The buck stops uhhhh….somewhere….maybe….to be honest I don’t really know.

It goes wherever McConnell puts the House bills.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:20:18pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

when we work on unreleased drafts we print “DRAFT” all over the effing thing
- centered
- as a large watermark
- semi-obscuring the text
- on every goddamned page

so there’s no confusion
ever

fucking amateurs

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:23:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:24:54pm

re: #166 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

when we work on unreleased drafts we print “DRAFT” all over the effing thing
- centered
- as a large watermark
- semi-obscuring the text
- on every goddamned page

so there’s no confusion
ever

fucking amateurs

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Yeah I don’t believe for one second that it was a draft. That shit got sent.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:26:04pm

re: #163 Barefoot Grin

I know a lot of RWNJs are confused about the withdrawal issue because they assumed that Obama didn’t have to respect the agreement on draw-down that the Bush administration signed. He respected Iraq’s wishes and in the aftermath ISIS gained force, so the right blamed Obama for the creation of ISIS (and it was dumb to call them “JV” to be fair). Anyway, they are operating under the same set of assumptions.

The excuse I was always given for why Obama had “retreated” was that Iraq was obviously wanting us to “renegotiate” Dubya’s agreement and the WH hadn’t taken that seriously. But even if Iraq had really wanted us out, we could just ignore the agreement and their stated intent in the name of “protecting” them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:26:36pm

Amateur hour from top to bottom.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:29:36pm

Civil War medical museum prepares to amputate Confederate flag from logo

The National Museum of Civil War Medicine, a quirky and fascinating repository of battlefield medical artifacts including skull saws and rusty scalpels, is amputating the Confederate flag from its logo.

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BigPapa  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:31:41pm

Amazing that’s it’s been a year since Trump was impeached. As if we all forgot.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:32:13pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Civil War medical museum prepares to amputate Confederate flag from logo

Just make it white, the only Confederate flag we recognize.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:35:53pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Civil War medical museum prepares to amputate Confederate flag from logo

Neither here nor there, but I was once called to school to pick up my then 5th grader because he passed out when a teacher showed a photo of a Civil War battlefield operating tent with the attendant carnage. I wasn’t angry but it does seem like the kind of thing you might not show 5th graders without some preparation.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:38:24pm

Here we go again. Media holding women candidates to higher standards.

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bratwurst  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:39:11pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:39:19pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Amateur hour from top to bottom.

worse imo
clueless incompetents who think they’re brilliant

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:39:30pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:40:48pm
Reprint from moronmajority.com

Following the killing of Iranian military General Qassem Soleimani, Iran has issued an $80 million bounty on Donald Trump’s head.

According to White House sources, Trump is infuriated with this latest move out of Iran. No, not that a bounty was placed on him, but because of the low dollar amount.

“I’m the most powerful man on the face of the Earth and this is all I’m worth?” Trump supposedly said. “They should be talking billions, not millions.”

When Iran’s Supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, heard of Trump’s remarks, he made the “leader of the free world” a new offer. “Show us your tax returns and we will reconsider the bounty offer.”

Unfortunately for Trump, he will not be able to comply with the Ayatollah’s demand as his returns are currently under audit.

Warning - this could be “fake” nooze

dailykos.com

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:41:03pm

re: #176 bratwurst

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“It was an honest mistake that this letter we never intended to send just happened to get sent out! Totally honest mistake! …please don’t fire us.”

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plansbandc  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:42:00pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t think kitty wants to be President.

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John Hughes  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:42:19pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

What exactly is the point of organic 200 proof culinary solvent

Makes no difference to how much pesticide you are exposed to, but does reduce the amount of pesticide in the environment.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:45:41pm

It may have been an “honest mistake” but that mistake was actually sent to the Iraqis. That’s not how drafts work, except in college.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:46:41pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Two of the cats were in the office just now and were very interested in Sheba’s message. :)

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:47:26pm

Looking at the TPM article, the “honest mistake” according to Milley appears to be that the letter was “poorly worded.” That it’s his insistence that Seely meant to convey that US troops will not be leaving, but will instead be moved to new positions within Iraq.

Or, for those taking notes, Milley is making a valiant effort to keep Seely from being drawn and quartered by a frothing mad CinC.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:48:27pm

Never forget!

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:49:53pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:49:53pm

re: #186 Joe Bacon 🌹

Never forget!

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‘Why can’t we have Norwegians move here instead of from shithole countries?’

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:55:49pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2020 • 2:56:05pm

re: #188 Barefoot Grin

‘Why can’t we have Norwegians move here instead of from shithole countries?’

Plot twist: Trump is doing everything he can to turn us into a shithole country.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:01:04pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:01:13pm

Think it’s pretty clear from Seely’s letter that the DoD does not want another Fall of Saigon, does not want to have to un-ass without a plan or prep in what would be a truly embarrassing display. And that they recognize that Trump’s position that they will not leave under any circumstances is not sustainable, that if they don’t go willingly then they’ll be kicked out at gunpoint.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:01:27pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:04:13pm

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

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Just remember the assholes who are really calling the shots in this administration!

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:04:33pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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I’ll take Option C: Find somebody to take the blame for being forced to order a “retreat,” so that his MAGAt base can keep believing that he’s a messiah who cannot fail but only be failed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:05:18pm

re: #189 gocart mozart

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:05:52pm

This should be fun

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:07:00pm

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

This should be fun

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Esper has gotta be hating life right now.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:07:24pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

Esper has gotta be hating life right now.

Good.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:09:27pm

re: #199 I Would Prefer Not To

Good.

Yep, fuck him. He should have resigned when Trump started pardoning war criminals.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:09:41pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

Esper has gotta be hating life right now.

I don’t believe a word any one of these Acting Assholes say. All they do is lie for Trump!

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:09:54pm
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retired cynic  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:10:04pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Ooooooo, my cat from hell isn’t THAT much of a cat from hell! LOLOL!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:10:09pm

So I guess IraniansdetestSuleimani is trending (not using hashtag). It’s being used to say the Trump is a hero who won’t be forgotten and the Dems support Suleimani. And of course, it’s being glommed onto by Cernovich and the usual suspects. This stupid world.

Edited: but, hell, if this is a real thing then great. All I’m saying is that the Democrats who actually knew of Suleimani detested him too. They were thinking of consequences.

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:17:06pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In case someone hasn’t been keeping score, kicking the UN out of America totally has been a fever dream of the right wing for decades now. This denial of diplomatic standards to Iran increases the pressure on the UN to withdraw at least somewhat on their own. If Trump wins 2020, you can bet the UN will indeed be kicked out and likely the General Assembly moved to Vienna.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:18:41pm

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

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there are no adults / professionals
not one person will push back

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:19:39pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

Esper has gotta be hating life right now.

no sympathy

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TedStriker  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:21:46pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Civil War medical museum prepares to amputate Confederate flag from logo

While I understand the reasoning somewhat, that museum is a place where I can see having the Stars-and-Bars alongside the US flag, even in the logo, because it deals with the how both sides handled battlefield medicine. This (and places like the national battlefields) is exactly a place where I would expect the Stars-and-Bars to be, because it is history; the matter is just relegating it to history everywhere else, where it belongs.

Edit: After reading a paywall-free version of the story, it’s clearer that the logo is the only place the Stars-and-Bars (and also the US flag) is going away from, due to a now-broader mission.

stripes.com

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unproven innocence  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:22:57pm

re: #173 Belafon

Just make it white, the only Confederate flag we recognize.

The Confederate flag isn’t white enough yet.
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:27:17pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Gervais was always a douche. Never found him funny. That’s why I love the American “Office” and have only watched a few episodes of the original British version. Gervais has too much of a high opinion of himself. Like Trump.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:28:19pm

Trump apparently sent an explanation to Congress…Blumenthal ain’t buying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:30:04pm

oh

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retired cynic  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:31:39pm

Charlie Pierce:

You have been informed, Congress. You have been informed, Iran.

No, really. It’s down there below the cat videos.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:32:36pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

If the AncestryDNA test comes back with anything other than American, you’re getting deported.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:35:23pm

re: #204 Barefoot Grin

So I guess IraniansdetestSuleimani is trending (not using hashtag). It’s being used to say the Trump is a hero who won’t be forgotten and the Dems support Suleimani. And of course, it’s being glommed onto by Cernovich and the usual suspects. This stupid world.

Edited: but, hell, if this is a real thing then great. All I’m saying is that the Democrats who actually knew of Suleimani detested him too. They were thinking of consequences.

I checked that out earlier, looks mostly bot-driven.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:40:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:42:16pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:42:23pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Civil War medical museum prepares to amputate Confederate flag from logo

See there is one place I can see it being part of the display/logo. That was part of the war and a place that is dedicated to looking at that war kinda has a reason to have depictions of it.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:42:54pm

Here’s an interesting thread about a private Russian jet - owned by the head of a Russian bank - landing in Florida while Trump was down there on the weekend, staying 22 hours, then going home.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:43:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:44:27pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:45:24pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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I like the chair tho’. My BeautyRest desk chair is nice and comfy too so I won’t complain much.

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unproven innocence  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:48:40pm

re: #219 makeitstop

Here’s an interesting thread about a private Russian jet - owned by the head of a Russian bank - landing in Florida while Trump was down there on the weekend, staying 22 hours, then going home.

Not responding with IDENT signaling from/to airports is a SERIOUS hazard. That’s why it’s fucking illegal.
Air traffic control radar beacon system

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 6, 2020 • 3:54:44pm

re: #101 Jay C

It isn’t: but then, that’s what you’re paying your whatever-percent “organic” premium for: to be sure.

For some folks it is partially for the less-damaging farming practices.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:04:34pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:06:03pm

re: #224 Jebediah, RBG

For some folks it is partially for the less-damaging farming practices.

OrganIc farming has a much higher soul erosion rate than farming techniques that can use low-till and no-till. And organic farming uses pesticides, they are just not made from petrochemicals.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:07:50pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:10:10pm
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BigPapa  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:15:08pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I would do morally questionable things for good brussel sprouts with a quality risotto.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:17:48pm

“I ran out of gas! I got a flat tire! I didn’t have change for cab fare! I lost my tux at the cleaners! I locked my keys in the car! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!”

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:18:47pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:19:30pm

re: #223 unproven innocence

Not responding with IDENT signaling from/to airports is a SERIOUS hazard. That’s why it’s fucking illegal.

Any old Joe Schmoe trying that will have F-16’s dropping by for a friendly visit in short order.

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BigPapa  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:20:26pm

Finally some good news:

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:20:31pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:32:49pm

NRA: “Self-defense!”

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:32:58pm

The Anarchist Daughter of the GOP’s Gerrymandering Mastermind Just Dumped His Maps and Files on Google Drive

The daughter of late GOP gerrymandering mastermind just put all of his files online in a Google Drive for anyone to read.

Thomas Hofeller, who died in 2018, was crucial to the Republican Party’s redistricting efforts across the country: He drew up tons of maps that the party used to make districts easier for them to win — sometimes at the expense of minorities’ voting rights. In an effort to defend their state’s political map in a lawsuit, Republicans had tried to keep Hofeller’s files secret.

But on Sunday, his daughter, Stephanie, who identifies as an anarchist, tweeted them out. She’d announced her plans to release the files last month and has now made them public on a website: thehofellerfiles.com, which links to a Google Drive full of his emails and documents related to his gerrymandering work.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:33:37pm

re: #233 BigPapa

Finally some good news:

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Well, except that they don’t know how to spell “filet.”

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:34:22pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:37:58pm

Fucking auto-aimer hacks just ruin first person shooter games. Fucking cheats

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:41:00pm

Another failed negotiation.

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Mattand  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:42:12pm

re: #239 Eventual Carrion

Fucking auto-aimer hacks just ruin first person shooter games. Fucking cheats

Which game?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:44:03pm

re: #233 BigPapa

Finally some good news:

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Can whale meat vending machines be far behind? (I have tasted whale; we had a Norwegian exchange student in the early 1970s who revisited us many times over the years; about 20 years ago he smuggled in whale for us to taste. He needn’t have taken the trouble).

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:50:27pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:51:08pm

re: #241 Mattand

Which game?

Unreal Tournament.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:51:47pm

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:52:27pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:55:42pm

On the subject of mustaches—I usually don’t shave over winter break. I made a record of 17 days this year. My wife kind of likes the rugged look for awhile at first, but then she stops kissing me. And since I’m a dilettante, I don’t know how to trim the upper lip. So by yesterday I could feel the heat of my coffee as it soaked into my whiskers. And the itching. Good riddance.

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plansbandc  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:57:04pm

re: #210 Patricia Kayden

He’s one of several popular comedians I find totally unfunny.

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:58:37pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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worth pointing out…

vegan meals also qualify as kosher, halal, and ok for people who have dietary restrictions since their heart disease and/or blood pressure diagnosis.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 6, 2020 • 4:59:18pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:01:27pm

<re: #249 sagehen

worth pointing out…

vegan meals also qualify as kosher, halal, and ok for people who have dietary restrictions since their heart disease and/or blood pressure diagnosis.

In my sister’s household, they may have to be gluten free too!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:01:41pm

re: #239 Eventual Carrion

Fucking auto-aimer hacks just ruin first person shooter games. Fucking cheats

Headshot!
Headshot!
I loved playing that game. Did they update it? You running windows 98?! /

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:04:33pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:05:00pm

Non-life-threatening so no sacrifice for the Tree of Liberty. This time. Even so, surviving a gunshot wound was damned scary and painful for this (then) 33 year old combat veteran when I was accidentally shot in 1982. I can’t imagine what it would be like for an actual child.

Kids, aged 12 and 13, shot by driver after throwing snowballs at passing cars

Two children, ages 12 and 13, were shot after throwing snowballs at passing cars in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, police said.

The pair was hurling snowballs at passing cars with a group of children on Saturday evening, Milwaukee police said in a series of tweets.
One of the snowballs struck a white Toyota, and the driver of the car shot at the children, police said.
Police found the 12-year-old girl and the 13-year-old boy minutes apart. Both of their injuries were non-life-threatening.
Both children are being treated at a local hospital, police said.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:07:19pm

re: #253 Dread Pirate

Nyet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:09:09pm

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Non-life-threatening so no sacrifice for the Tree of Liberty. This time. Even so, surviving a gunshot wound was damned scary and painful for this (then) 33 year old combat veteran when I was accidentally shot in 1982. I can’t imagine what it would be like for an actual child.

Kids, aged 12 and 13, shot by driver after throwing snowballs at passing cars

Hey, non-life-threatening wounds still bleed, don’t they?

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:22:00pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:25:27pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:27:15pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:27:41pm

re: #258 Dread Pirate

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…because he knew that son of a CENSORED saw the pools that he would lose!

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:29:03pm

Unhinged Trumper is my guess.

Suspect in custody for Waukesha County Courthouse bomb threat, sheriff’s department says

The announcement of the arrest comes just a few hours after the Waukesha County Sheriff’s Department released images of a man labeled as a person of interest and his vehicle.

Sheriff Eric Severson said in a news conference shortly before noon that the threat was being treated as serious. He said there was enough information in the threat to warrant the evacuation.

A Milwaukee County K-9 unit swept the buildings. Severson declined to discuss what, if anything, was found.

The evacuation began shortly after a call was received at a local TV news station, WITI, in which an anonymous caller claimed that “five bombs were placed in the courthouse, and the first one was set to go off at 9 a.m.,” Severson said at the news conference, held in the north parking lot along Moreland Boulevard.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:42:10pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:49:56pm

VERY hard to watch, but shows real heroism and humanity.

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retired cynic  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:51:23pm

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

VERY hard to watch, but shows real heroism and humanity.

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tears! good for her!

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:52:10pm

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

There was a DK diary about it yesterday. Sadly, that koala had to be put to sleep due to too many burns.

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retired cynic  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:52:36pm

re: #265 Belafon

There was a DK diary about it yesterday. Sadly, that koala had to be put to sleep due to too many burns.

aahh…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:54:40pm

If I am understanding the numbers correctly (8000 in NSW alone), something like 10% of the entire world koala population has been killed in these fires.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:58:41pm
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bratwurst  Jan 6, 2020 • 5:59:16pm

Bottom line: the priority is for Trump to have a right hand man obsequious enough to please his master for the next 12 months. The Senate majority is in serious trouble with or without Kobach as the candidate.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:00:21pm

The Borowitz Report:

Ayatollah Mystified That He Is the Only Dictator Trump Dislikes

Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is “completely baffled” as to why he appears to be the only dictator whom Donald J. Trump does not like, the autocrat said on Monday.

Speaking to reporters in Tehran, the long-reigning tyrant expressed puzzlement and dismay that Trump had not given him the adulation that he has showered on seemingly every other totalitarian in the world.

“Trump loves Vladimir Putin and Mohammed bin Salman, and he’s even given Kim Jong Un a cute nickname, but, for some mysterious reason, I leave him cold,” the visibly saddened Ayatollah said. “I just don’t get it.”

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Dread Pirate  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:04:44pm
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Renaissance_Man  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:07:03pm

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If I am understanding the numbers correctly (8000 in NSW alone), something like 10% of the entire world koala population has been killed in these fires.

30%. Between this and chlamydia, the wild koala is likely to go extinct.

The fires in Australia are an extinction-level event. Not just for wildlife, but for the nation as a whole. An area the size of France is burning. 500 million animals or more are gone. Between low population, large land area, and lack of infrastructure, only the cities can really be defended. Any town smaller than 10,000 people or so is simply evacuated and abandoned. And these fires are likely to intensify and continue for the next two months. They will stop when it rains or when there is nothing left to burn.

Australia’s environment has always been uniquely fragile. It is the canary in the coal mine of climate change, which will render it lifeless far more surely than a nuclear holocaust would. It may be the first nation to have its government fall due to climate change - the first of many across the world, which will lead to untold suffering and bloodshed but unfortunately needs to come if humanity is to survive this crisis.

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unproven innocence  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:12:27pm

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Borowitz Report:

Ayatollah Mystified That He Is the Only Dictator Trump Dislikes

IMHO, first-class trolling of Resident Trump. Well done.

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bratwurst  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:13:01pm

Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE de-platform Bret Stephens, Thomas Friedman and Andrew Sullivan already?

I contacted a family friend in his late 70s who is a LONG TIME fan of Friedman this weekend begging him not to email out the last column, that I hate for someone I care about to associate himself with a man so utterly and completely discredited on Middle East matters. Even he conceded that he couldn’t understand where Friedman was coming from at all.

The fact that Friedman’s point of view strikes such a bizarre note even in these batshit insane times we are living in is astounding to me.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:16:50pm

re: #269 bratwurst

Sec. of State Mike Pompeo told Mitch McConnell on Monday that he will not run for the open senate seat in Kansas

He has a date… with RAPTURE!

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:22:35pm

Shit just keeps getting more insane.

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BigPapa  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:28:28pm

we finally got a leader as batshit insane as them

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danarchy  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:28:49pm

re: #249 sagehen

worth pointing out…

vegan meals also qualify as kosher, halal, and ok for people who have dietary restrictions since their heart disease and/or blood pressure diagnosis.

Those are all good reasons to serve vegan food, none of them is why they did though. Apparently they had already set traditional menu and ordered everything and someone at the last moment decided the Globes should make a statement and set an example by going vegan. They sent the kitchen scrambling to develop and source a new menu last minute. The chef said he was happy with the decision and pleased with the results, but I guarantee there was a lot of cursing in that kitchen for while.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 6, 2020 • 6:44:34pm

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I read that over 500 MILLION animals have died in the Australian wildfires. 500 MILLION.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:38:52pm

re: #226 Colère Tueur de Lapin

OrganIc farming has a much higher soul erosion rate than farming techniques that can use low-till and no-till. And organic farming uses pesticides, they are just not made from petrochemicals.

I don’t know anywhere near enough about farming practices to have much of an opinion. I do know that the assumption of less-harmful farming practices contributes to some people’s decision to buy organic. Personally, I would really like to see less pesticide use wherever possible; I am also guilty of assuming that petrochemical-based pesticides might be more harmful than non-petrochemical pesticides.

Does the soul erosion rate indicate that organic farming is Satanic?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:49:58pm

re: #280 Jebediah, RBG

I don’t know anywhere near enough about farming practices to have much of an opinion. I do know that the assumption of less-harmful farming practices contributes to some people’s decision to buy organic. Personally, I would really like to see less pesticide use wherever possible; I am also guilty of assuming that petrochemical-based pesticides might be more harmful than non-petrochemical pesticides.

Does the soul erosion rate indicate that organic farming is Satanic?

Farmer here:
all of these statements:

OrganIc farming has a much higher soul erosion rate than farming techniques that can use low-till and no-till. And organic farming uses pesticides, they are just not made from petrochemicals.

are strawman arguments.

There is no reason for organic farming to be singled out in that statement because ANY traditional farming technique is erosive.

I am an organic farmer because I do not like using poisons. The statement used implies that non-petrochemical pesticides = poison, which is complete balderdash.

I also use several old-school farming methods that mitigate erosion.

OTOH, if organic farming is Satanic, then I guess I’m a heathen.

oh, wait, I am a heathen already.

never mind….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:15:22pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, to be clear, I do not like to use poisons (or GMO crops) because some of them kill bees and other beneficial insects.

I also do not like having them around where children and domestic animals and wildlife can get at it.

also, I do not want poison in my food.

I’m just weird that way

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:22:06pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you for the reply and info!
Re the soul erosion - I guess the relevant question is does it turn regular heathens like us into demons, or are we already as heathen as we are going to get?
Or is it having a bad effect on David Soul specifically?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:24:02pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, to be clear, I do not like to use poisons (or GMO crops) because some of them kill bees and other beneficial insects.

I also do not like having them around where children and domestic animals and wildlife can get at it.

also, I do not want poison in my food.

I’m just weird that way

I must be pretty weird too, then.
The loss of insects (ESPECIALLY bees) has me a bit freaked out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:13:05pm

re: #284 Jebediah, RBG

I’ve been a farmer or work-related to the ag industry most of my life and I usually do not response to provocative (disparaging) posts about organic farming or pro-GMO topics because my initial reactions are not nice.

Farming is my business and I get more than a little prickly when non-farmers butt in with non-supported opinions/sweeping accusations.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:51:31pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve been a farmer or work-related to the ag industry most of my life and I usually do not response to provocative (disparaging) posts about organic farming or pro-GMO topics because my initial reactions are not nice.

Farming is my business and I get more than a little prickly when non-farmers butt in with non-supported opinions/sweeping accusations.

I totally get that.There are times when prickliness is totally appropriate. It doesn’t happen to me as much now that I am back in post-production, but when I was teaching I was informed that teacher’s unions are the problem with education, teachers have it SO easy cuz we usually get out early in the afternoon (which is true - but finishing the work I took home frequently kept me busy until 11 pm,) and that it is a terrible thing that the parents of special needs kids try to get them a proper education. Grrrrr.

Worst I get these days is someone insisting that documentaries are not edited - what you see on the screen is the camera running continuously from start to finish. Or not understanding that deceptive editing exists and can be very effective.


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