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ibob  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:15:57pm

My frustration and anger are overwhelming. The number of COVID cases in our hospital is now 10x what it was a little over 2 weeks ago. On Friday, our number of COVID patients was 32. Today it is 47. Nine are on a ventilator and 11 are on BIPAP.

I kept track of the number of unvaccinated patients vs vaccinated patients one day last week. Less than 30% of my patients that day were vaccinated. Was almost jumping for joy today when I realized I saw 3 patients in a row that were vaccinated.

Both the American College of Ob/Gyn and the CDC recommend all pregnant and nursing women receive the vaccine. This information does not seem to persuade any of the unvaccinated.

Have to admit I am not as polite by the end of the day when I hear some of the excuses as I am in the morning. However, by the end of the day I have just had it with these people.

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austin_blue  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:17:42pm

Y’all really need to read this:

stonekettle.com

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austin_blue  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:20:04pm

re: #1 ibob

My frustration and anger are overwhelming. The number of COVID cases in our hospital is now 10x what it was a little over 2 weeks ago. On Friday, our number of COVID patients was 32. Today it is 47. Nine are on a ventilator and 11 are on BIPAP.

I kept track of the number of unvaccinated patients vs vaccinated patients one day last week. Less than 30% of my patients that day were vaccinated. Was almost jumping for joy today when I realized I saw 3 patients in a row that were vaccinated.

Both the American College of Ob/Gyn and the CDC recommend all pregnant and nursing women receive the vaccine. This information does not seem to persuade any of the unvaccinated.

Have to admit I am not as polite by the end of the day when I hear some of the excuses as I am in the morning. However, by the end of the day I have just had it with these people.

Where are you?

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:28:13pm
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austin_blue  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:28:28pm

Sorry. I killed the thread.

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calochortus  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:29:35pm

re: #4 DodgerFan1988

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When did they go after Trump?

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Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:30:58pm
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austin_blue  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:33:30pm

re: #6 calochortus

When did they go after Trump?

They didn’t. There was so much bullshit bring vomited that it was almost impossible to fact check the daily blasts much less the tweets.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:33:44pm

re: #345 plansbandc

His action on this, having the balls to quit instead of pushing it on to another administration? Makes me admire him even more.

But, at the same time, the balls to do this probably killed his or any Dems chances of winning the next Presidential election.

So, hello DeSantis or tRump, or whatever sociopath the R’s decide should be President.

I sincerely hope I’m not around for it.

You’re overreacting. The number of Americans that will care about this next year will be smaller than the number people who care about Hunter’s laptop.

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ibob  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:36:20pm

I’m in Alabama.
Mo Brooks is my congressman to give an idea of what it like here. He ran unopposed in the last election.
This is serious Trump country. I was a little worried when we put out a Biden/Harris sign in our yard before the election. However, once ours was out, there were three nearby neighbors who had Biden/Harris signs out.

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:37:22pm
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BigPapa  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:37:37pm

re: #7 Dave In Austin

That song was already silky smooth tiramisu lusciousness… and he made it mo funky.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:39:04pm

re: #7 Dave In Austin

I still can’t play the bass line for that at speed.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:40:18pm

re: #12 BigPapa

Prodigy….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:45:20pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:53:54pm

re: #9 Belafon

You’re overreacting. The number of Americans that will care about this next year will be smaller than the number people who care about Hunter’s laptop.

Indeed. After all, we remember how Obama lost reelection in 2012 over outrage about leaving Iraq.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:54:29pm
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plansbandc  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:55:44pm

re: #9 Belafon

I hope you’re right.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Aug 16, 2021 • 8:59:43pm
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austin_blue  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:00:13pm

re: #14 Dave In Austin

Prodigy….

Wait, was that the original bass line for the tune, or did the player amp it up to show off?

In any case, the original bass line took up at least three channels on the final track.

What? You thought that the Beatles made all that noise on A Day In The Life without multi-tracking?

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JOE 🥓  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:01:29pm

I remember when Mom told me about this awful thing. I was shocked…

Black people were denied vanilla ice cream in the Jim Crow south - except on Independence Day

theguardian.com

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retired cynic  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:02:40pm

re: #20 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Twitter won’t let us click through any more. Very Sad/Mad Face. Could you possibly post the link to Slavitt’s thread?

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JOE 🥓  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:14:04pm

re: #2 austin_blue

Y’all really need to read this:

stonekettle.com

Jim tells the truth.

Trump’s plan after he lost was to sabotage Afghanistan as yet another FUCK YOU to Joe and The Wicked Trump Of Florida let his Flying Monkey Stenographers go after Joe en masse.

And once again, I am reminded that my brainwashed son died for nothing.

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austin_blue  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:14:18pm

Well, I’m off for the rack.

It’s obvious that Trump made a deal with the Taliban that would handcuff Biden.

Everyone from the Trump Admin is crawfishing saying that Biden is weak.

Biden jumped up and admitted his responsibility for what happened.

Guess who is going to come out looking like the reasonable guy in the room next week?

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JOE 🥓  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:17:41pm

re: #25 austin_blue

Well, I’m off for the rack.

It’s obvious that Trump made a deal with the Taliban that would handcuff Biden.

Everyone from the Trump Admin is crawfishing saying that Biden is weak.

Biden jumped up and admitted his responsibility for what happened.

Guess who is going to come out looking like the reasonable guy in the room next week?

And now Republicans are saying when they take over the House they will impeach Joe over this…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:20:39pm

re: #23 retired cynic

Twitter won’t let us click through any more. Very Sad/Mad Face. Could you possibly post the link to Slavitt’s thread?

threadreaderapp.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:21:40pm

Video is actually only 3 minutes

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austin_blue  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:21:43pm

re: #26 JOE 🥓

And now Republicans are saying when they take over the House they will impeach Joe over this…

Based on what High Crimes and Misdemeanors?

Never mind, it’s obviously rhetorical.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:22:49pm

re: #29 austin_blue

Based on what High Crimes and Misdemeanors?

Never mind, it’s obviously rhetorical.

THey’re already replaying the Benghazi playbook.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:32:58pm

re: #26 JOE 🥓

And now Republicans are saying when they take over the House they will impeach Joe over this…

They’re going to impeach him over the tan suit. I suspect polling is going to show people support it, and then the GOP will try to write a new web page that will talk about how glorious it was that they pushed Biden to get out of Afghanistan and he should have done it in May.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:46:00pm

The other day I caught the last few minutes of a movie called All My Life. The ending consisted of a woman watching a video of a man talking to her through the camera. Afterwards, the voice over of her is talking about being happy to have been with the guy in the video, and it cuts to real life footage (made black and white to distinguish from the movie) of two people obviously in love.

After digging, the movie was based on the true story of the two people named in this article: thestar.com. Shortly after he asked her to marry him, he was diagnosed with liver cancer that spread through his body. They married in Spring, 2015 and he died in August.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 9:50:38pm

I have put 1000 miles on the stationary bike i bought back in March:

I would bike 500 mile and I would bike 500 more

I was hoping it would roll over since it was using the 4th digit as a tenths place, but it just dropped it, so I have 9 more five month system to go.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:09:28pm
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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:10:06pm
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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:13:26pm

re: #35 Belafon

MSNBC was banging the war drums all day, and not just the men. Mika and Andrea were on their high horses too.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:15:57pm

I guarantee you the $3.5T infrastructure second bill will totally overshadow the Afghan Withdrawal.

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piratedan  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:22:03pm

re: #35 Belafon

well Engel has just now found himself out of a job… he’s the war zone correspondent and now that we’re leaving Afghanistan, there’s no war to cover that has a direct US involvement. His entire gig has now been made unnecessary. Sure, I can understand his anger at how this has unfolded but imho its entirely misplaced…

Once the US started pulling people out, it was up to the Afghan Government and military to step up and step in, apparently they’ve been bought off, by whom? and for how long…. he’s been on the ground there for years, if he had an inkling about this, why hasn’t he reported it? did he have a book deal to protect?

I can understand the anger, the people who were supposed to be in charge betrayed their office and their trust, oodles of blame to be passed around and while being pissed off and being mad is certainly acceptable but being mad at Biden for cutting losses is simply a context free take that he should know better about. Don’t understand why his anger at THIS development is any more relevant than what people on the ground are reporting about with our own self-inflicted wounds over the handling of the pandemic and the anger expressed there by medical professionals having to deal with a health crisis brought on by political cowardace.

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ckkatz  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:22:16pm
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piratedan  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:23:46pm

re: #36 No Malarkey!

the usual suspects, it’s how MSNBC attempts to play “we’re not a liberal version of Fox”. More applicable is how Brian Williams, Rachel Maddow and Joy Read address it.

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ckkatz  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:31:51pm

Interesting thread:

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:32:17pm

re: #37 Belafon

I guarantee you the $3.5T infrastructure second bill will totally overshadow the Afghan Withdrawal.

It will all depend on how the evacuation from Afghanistan ultimately plays out. If our military succeeds in saving those who worked with us — tens of thousands of Afghans — and brings them and their families here, then this outrage may quiet down. If somehow the Taliban decide that it’s better to let these people exit (maybe because we bribe them with the frozen Afghan assets) instead of butchering them, this may not be quite the disaster as it now appears.

Let’s remember how the GOP used Benghazi to so damage Hillary that it made her vulnerable in the 2016 election. The GOP (Hypocrisy is Us) will use that as a model to damage Biden and all Democrats. If we’re lucky, there will be sufficient Democrats who will fight back with an alternative narrative. The one thing that will be deadly is losing the House in 2022 — because then the GOP will be free to conduct nonstop “investigations” to promote their lies.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:35:19pm
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ckkatz  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:40:21pm

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

My guess has been that one motivator was that if we were to withdraw, it was better to leave early in his term.

With the expectation(and hope) that other events will consume the public’s attention.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:40:42pm

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

It will all depend on how the evacuation from Afghanistan ultimately plays out. If our military succeeds in saving those who worked with us — tens of thousands of Afghans — and brings them and their families here, then this outrage may quiet down. If somehow the Taliban decide that it’s better to let these people exit (maybe because we bribe them with the frozen Afghan assets) instead of butchering them, this may not be quite the disaster as it now appears.

Let’s remember how the GOP used Benghazi to so damage Hillary that it made her vulnerable in the 2016 election. The GOP (Hypocrisy is Us) will use that as a model to damage Biden and all Democrats. If we’re lucky, there will be sufficient Democrats who will fight back with an alternative narrative. The one thing that will be deadly is losing the House in 2022 — because then the GOP will be free to conduct nonstop “investigations” to promote their lies.

Sadly, though, Hillary had a few things going against her:
1. Woman
2. Clinton: No dynasty!
3. Bill
4. Lots of time in politics

Biden might suffer from the last, but he also has white male. He also just sat there and said things so bluntly that Republicans are going to have a hard time making him look like a liar or weak.

We need to stop worrying about this kind of stuff and tell every one of those people to shove it. The fear really does feed back on itself, amplifying it.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:42:35pm

re: #43 JOE 🥓

I’m not sure what it takes to amend the California constitution, but the fact that Republicans can use it to replace someone that won the popular vote with someone that doesn’t even have to get a fifth of the electorate needs to be fixed.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 16, 2021 • 10:48:02pm

re: #46 Belafon

I’m not sure what it takes to amend the California constitution, but the fact that Republicans can use it to replace someone that won the popular vote with someone that doesn’t even have to get a fifth of the electorate needs to be fixed.

re: #43 JOE 🥓

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Given there are 46 candidates to replace Newsom, someone could win with far less than 15% of the vote. It’s an absolutely ridiculous provision — and it’s been there since 1911. But it appears that it wasn’t weaponized until the 21st Century GOP.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2021 • 11:05:43pm

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

It will all depend on how the evacuation from Afghanistan ultimately plays out. If our military succeeds in saving those who worked with us — tens of thousands of Afghans — and brings them and their families here, then this outrage may quiet down. If somehow the Taliban decide that it’s better to let these people exit (maybe because we bribe them with the frozen Afghan assets) instead of butchering them, this may not be quite the disaster as it now appears.

Let’s remember how the GOP used Benghazi to so damage Hillary that it made her vulnerable in the 2016 election. The GOP (Hypocrisy is Us) will use that as a model to damage Biden and all Democrats. If we’re lucky, there will be sufficient Democrats who will fight back with an alternative narrative. The one thing that will be deadly is losing the House in 2022 — because then the GOP will be free to conduct nonstop “investigations” to promote their lies.

A major difference between Afghanistan and Benghazi is that the casualties in Benghazi were Americans. Frankly, not many voters will care about the Taliban killing Afghans, especially when the GOP so manifestly doesn’t give a shit about foreigners.

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ckkatz  Aug 16, 2021 • 11:16:00pm

This is reportedly a popularized version of King James V’s courtship of and marriage to Madeleine de Valois. He came to see the woman he was betrothed to in disguise, and went on to meet the princess, who fell in love with him.

Pentangle - Willy O Winsbury (Set Of Six ITV, 27.06.1972)

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 16, 2021 • 11:23:57pm

re: #45 Belafon

Sadly, though, Hillary had a few things going against her:
1. Woman
2. Clinton: No dynasty!
3. Bill
4. Lots of time in politics

Biden might suffer from the last, but he also has white male. He also just sat there and said things so bluntly that Republicans are going to have a hard time making him look like a liar or weak.

We need to stop worrying about this kind of stuff and tell every one of those people to shove it. The fear really does feed back on itself, amplifying it.

John Kerry was a white male who fought in combat in Vietnam and the GQP successfully made him look like a liar and weak, compared to Bush 43 who bravely “defended” Texas from Oklahoma. Clinton was a white male who got impeached for lying about a consensual relationship with an adult woman. The GQP can demonize anyone for anything, without breaking a sweat.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2021 • 11:49:25pm

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

John Kerry was a white male who fought in combat in Vietnam and the GQP successfully made him look like a liar and weak, compared to Bush 43 who bravely “defended” Texas from Oklahoma. Clinton was a white male who got impeached for lying about a consensual relationship with an adult woman. The GQP can demonize anyone for anything, without breaking a sweat.

They utterly failed to demonize Joe Biden last year, due in large part I think because he is an affable white guy people feel like they know from his eight years as VP.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 16, 2021 • 11:54:51pm
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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2021 • 11:58:19pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:01:21am

re: #51 No Malarkey!

They utterly failed to demonize Joe Biden last year, due in large part I think because he is an affable white guy people feel like they know from his eight years as VP.

He was the one candidate Trump feared because Trump knew he was the only one capable of defeating him. OTOH There are tens of millions of Americans who do not believe that Biden is the legitimate President — they believe he is senile — that others are pulling his strings — that he is corrupt. The lies from Faux News and Noisemax are spreading everywhere. Unless the new voter suppression laws are repealed, it won’t matter if a majority of Americans are not taken in by GOP lies, because the minority will control this nation for years to come.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:09:11am

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

He was the one candidate Trump feared because Trump knew he was the only one capable of defeating him. OTOH There are tens of millions of Americans who do not believe that Biden is the legitimate President — they believe he is senile — that others are pulling his strings — that he is corrupt. The lies from Faux News and Noisemax are spreading everywhere. Unless the new voter suppression laws are repealed, it won’t matter if a majority of Americans are not taken in by GOP lies, because the minority will control this nation for years to come.

I am cautiously optimistic that the new laws are not especially well crafted by the GOP, and will hurt their own low propensity non-college educated white voter turnout. IOW, don’t despair when no voting rights act is passed by Congress; it just means Democrats must work hard to turn out their vote.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:15:36am

hi

I’m glad to see Decatur Deb is back. I hope his mailbox is safe.

Here’s what happens when the IRS doesn’t punish churches that violate the Johnson Amendment and endorse candidates for political office: They keep breaking the rule. By allowing them to maintain their tax-exempt status despite playing politics, the government is incentivizing having their cake and eating it too. As I noted earlier this month, only one church has been audited — and none punished — for endorsing candidates from the pulpit since 2008 even though thousands of churches did just that and dared the IRS to investigate them.

Pastor Holds Campaign Event for GOP Candidate Larry Elder During Church Service (Friendly Atheist)

All denominations are guilty of campaigning from the pulpit, and all participate in so-called “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” where they record themselves explicilty campaigning for candidates or resolutions, then mail the recordings to the IRS.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:16:47am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:18:45am

re: #35 Belafon

There’s something about Biden’s decision that does not sit right with people who even think of themselves as “liberal”.

Remember my tweet to Prof. Stavrakopoulou:

A couple of Brits took objection to my reply.

Anyway, what has happened is that Afghanistan demonstrates once again that the liberal minded “West” will often fail at imposing some enlightened thinking upon the the masses of the backwards.

In other words, the worldview of many (including atheists like the Professor above) is getting run over by the idea that a group as backwards as the Taliban can win in this world.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:26:41am

The following bits of reality (that is demonstrated too clearly by Afghanistan) is what is bothering many, including those who think they are enlightened about this world:

1) Democracy is not inevitable;
2) Equality between people (e.g. between men and women) is not inevitable;
3) Theocratic authoritarianism has long-term viability in this world.

This is also why the nattering intelligentsia didn’t take Trump seriously. The fancy-party attendees of Manhattan and London and DC live in a world that is isolated from how ordinary people think.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:34:16am

Speaking of Stavrakopoulou, she’ll be on Aron Ra’s Youtube channel today:

Matter Of Fact Science ep9 - Prof. Stavrakopoulou

..

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:37:28am
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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:40:22am

So apparently I missed the announcement from Twitter that they were making their service even less user-friendly to non-users by barring you from reading replies to tweets unless you create an account.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:42:26am

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

It will all depend on how the evacuation from Afghanistan ultimately plays out. If our military succeeds in saving those who worked with us — tens of thousands of Afghans — and brings them and their families here, then this outrage may quiet down. If somehow the Taliban decide that it’s better to let these people exit (maybe because we bribe them with the frozen Afghan assets) instead of butchering them, this may not be quite the disaster as it now appears.

Let’s remember how the GOP used Benghazi to so damage Hillary that it made her vulnerable in the 2016 election. The GOP (Hypocrisy is Us) will use that as a model to damage Biden and all Democrats. If we’re lucky, there will be sufficient Democrats who will fight back with an alternative narrative. The one thing that will be deadly is losing the House in 2022 — because then the GOP will be free to conduct nonstop “investigations” to promote their lies.

FOX is already going in on the equivalent of “migrant caravans” regarding to the people being rescued.

Racism always plays well to conservatives. It is their self-interest; it’s why they vote for racists; it’s why they fought a civil war over racism.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:43:43am

re: #58 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Professor there bitching about what is, without offering up some other alternative.

Don’t see her volunteering to fight in a military force either.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:48:34am

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I gather that many Brits are more upset about Biden’s decision than Americans.

Sure, the MAGAts and neocons in the US are screaming, the former because the “fall” of Afghanistan is a tool to get Trump back, and the latter because the “fall” of Afghanistan demonstrates the lie of neoconservatism’s view of America the great savior.

But it seems the many Brits are really upset because, i propose, that the UK followed the US has now exposed that following US foreign policy may not work out for the UK.

Also, I wonder if many in the UK are simply looking for a way to externalize their angst (over Brexit, Covid), and now they can blame the US.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:51:07am

Long list of resources, including forms for US citizens wanting to leave Afghanistan, the safe passage programme, and more.

(more)

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:52:49am

re: #58 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

IMO, it’s another variant of “the White Man’s Burden” trope.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2021 • 12:53:47am

re: #58 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

There’s something about Biden’s decision that does not sit right with people who even think of themselves as “liberal”.

Remember my tweet to Prof. Stavrakopoulou:

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A couple of Brits took objection to my reply.

Anyway, what has happened is that Afghanistan demonstrates once again that the liberal minded “West” will often fail at imposing some enlightened thinking upon the the masses of the backwards.

In other words, the worldview of many (including atheists like the Professor above) is getting run over by the idea that a group as backwards as the Taliban can win in this world.

Yeah, I’m rather tired of this 21st century rendition of “White Man’s Burden.” We are not obligated to go across the globe and “civilize” the “savages.” Perhaps those asshats need to be reminded that on the Gravestone of Empires which sits upon Afghan soil, their nation is two pegs above ours.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:01:11am

LOL

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:04:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:11:17am

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

John Kerry was a white male who fought in combat in Vietnam and the GQP successfully made him look like a liar and weak, compared to Bush 43 who bravely “defended” Texas from Oklahoma. Clinton was a white male who got impeached for lying about a consensual relationship with an adult woman. The GQP can demonize anyone for anything, without breaking a sweat.

And just think about what they are going to do to Kamala when they turn their rage on her

Kamala = (Hillary +Obama + Benghazi)²

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:14:46am

re: #68 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’m rather tired of this 21st century rendition of “White Man’s Burden.” We are not obligated to go across the globe and “civilize” the “savages.” Perhaps those asshats need to be reminded that on the Gravestone of Empires which sits upon Afghan soil, their nation is two pegs above ours.

It is more about how we go and colonize and exploit these “savages”, destabilize their politics and societies and then complain when refugees come to us seeking shelter.

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:16:35am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Nah, the bigger lie is here:

We don’t know how many boots were on the ground past 2017 because the DoD mysteriously stopped reporting those numbers as Q1 2018. Where’s the 2,500 figure really from? Donny sending out an order as of last November to have the total number deployed in Afghanistan drawn down to 2,500 by Jan 15th.

And no deaths in the last 18 months? That’s easy to figure out: The Taliban had received notice that we were leaving and waited us out. Why give us an excuse to surge more troops back in and prolong the fight if they can just take over the country as soon as we’re gone?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:24:29am

re: #73 Targetpractice

The point is that Biden should resign in dishonor and concede the steal and reinstate Trump along with a GOP majority in House and Senate.

Only then will justice be done to our fallen warriors!

/

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:26:32am

bigger..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:28:04am

“game trailer”: for transporting dead animals you have hunted or for transporting D&D figures?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:36:19am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Perhaps “grocery” is euphemism for “road kill”???

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JC1  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:37:34am

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

John Kerry was a white male who fought in combat in Vietnam and the GQP successfully made him look like a liar and weak, compared to Bush 43 who bravely “defended” Texas from Oklahoma. Clinton was a white male who got impeached for lying about a consensual relationship with an adult woman. The GQP can demonize anyone for anything, without breaking a sweat.

John Kerry didn’t fight back and decided to go wind surfing instead. Not the best visual. Bush was also a wartime president.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:43:51am

re: #78 JC1

John Kerry didn’t fight back and decided to go wind surfing instead. Not the best visual. Bush was also a wartime president.

Kerry was outmaneuvered by an evil genius of political publicity, Karl Rove.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:44:28am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“game trailer”: for transporting dead animals you have hunted or for transporting D&D figures?

Quiet Cat is known for their e-bikes for hunters. There are also Backcou, E-Cells, and another company whose name eludes me at the moment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:48:18am

re: #80 Dread Pirate Ron

Quiet Cat is known for their e-bikes for hunters. There are also Backcou, E-Cells, and another company whose name eludes me at the moment.

so it really is for loading up dead animals that won’t fit draped over the handlebars

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Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:54:40am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point is that Biden should resign in dishonor and concede the steal and reinstate Trump along with a GOP majority in House and Senate.

Only then will justice be done to our fallen warriors!

/

Apparently Cornyn and the rest of the GQP think that their winning strategy is to argue right up to the line of “We should have stayed” but never quite cross it because they want to maintain the fantasy that they ever backed leaving.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 17, 2021 • 1:57:33am

re: #82 Targetpractice

Apparently Cornyn and the rest of the GQP think that their winning strategy is to argue right up to the line of “We should have stayed” but never quite cross it because they want to maintain the fantasy that they ever backed leaving.

And they can’t hint at supporting leaving since that means they should be expressing some loyalty towards allowing evacuated Afghanis who helped the US there to emigrate.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 2:11:25am

Off to jail with you, douchecanoe.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 2:17:35am

Another open atheist in a state legislature around here.

Cranford, NJ—Today, the religious equality organization, American Atheists, announced that Kansas State Representative Brett Parker will be joining the organization in the role of State Policy Manager.

Before joining American Atheists, Brett Parker served as a public school teacher, the Olathe National Education Association (NEA)’s Vice President, and State Representative for District 29 in the Kansas House. During his time in office, he served as Minority Agenda Chair and on the strategic leadership team of the House Minority Caucus. This year, Brett helped to co-found a voter turnout nonprofit called Prairie Roots Kansas, where he has served as Interim Executive Director.

“I am thrilled to join American Atheists’ team and draw on my experience as a public school teacher, political advocate, and legislator,” said Parker. “When you’re an atheist lawmaker in a conservative state, the only way to get things done is to build coalitions and find common ground with people who are different from you. I cannot wait to get started leading American Atheists’ fifty-state strategy to guarantee religious equality for all Americans.”

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Kansas State Representative Brett Parker Joins American Atheists’ Staff (American Atheists)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 2:25:53am

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

State Representative Parker has always been in the closet about his atheism. He has only gone public recently, upon landing the job at American Atheists.

He was first elected in 2016, beating a GOP incumbent. He won by larger margins in 2018 and 2020.

He is retiring from the Kansas House after the end of this legislative session, as he knows that now he has been outed as an atheist, he cannot be reëlected. He was apparently outed by a Democratic staffer.

His new job at American Atheists will be to advocate for atheists and their rights, as well as freedom of religion for everyone and separation of church and state, as State Policy Manager in Kansas.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 2:30:01am

They wouldn’t be doing things like this if they weren’t clearly desperate.

Trump’s Assistant AG Tried to Use Batsh*t Thermometer Theory to Overturn Election (Daily Beast)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 2:33:02am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 2:46:40am

Long thread:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 2:55:12am

A new front opens up in the base of the Republican Party’s civil war.

The GOP waves white flag in the same-sex marriage wars (Politico, August 16, 2021)

To mark the beginning of Pride Month this year, Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel did what party leaders do on these types of occasions: She sent out a tweet.

“Happy #PrideMonth!” she wrote, “@GOP is proud to have doubled our LGBTQ support over the last 4 years, and we will continue to grow our big tent by supporting measures that promote fairness and balance protections for LGBTQ Americans and those with deeply held religious beliefs.”

Inside the RNC, the missive barely registered. McDaniel, after all, had sent out a similar message in years past.

But outside the building, those 265 characters prompted immediate backlash. Not just from Democrats, who accused her of disingenuousness, but from social conservatives too who furiously dialed up McDaniel with complaints. Tony Perkins, leader of the Family Research Council, lambasted her in a scathing blog post and even encouraged people not to donate to the RNC. But the attacks, particularly from the evangelical right, were met with a shrug by the party.

McDaniel’s willingness to brush aside complaints would have been unthinkable not too long ago, Republicans say. The evangelical right remains the most committed part of the party, and the Family Research Council leader is among its most powerful figures. But the GOP has, in recent years, undergone a quiet but consequential evolution: Party leaders still exhibit strong opposition to transgender rights and the top legislative priorities of the LGBTQ community. But on the most prominent battlefield of the past few decades, same-sex marriage, they’ve all but conceded defeat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:02:16am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Here’s where I will speak with a lot of confidence: Americans, on the whole, seem to be steadfastly ignorant and stubborn to employ critical thinking on the Middle East.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:06:21am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:07:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:09:42am

Again remember that women used to enjoy a lot of freedoms in Afghanistan until 1980 under the old government that the Soviets came in to support - and which we helped topple.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:09:53am

More of our media offering non-constructive criticism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:13:58am

Trump would have executed the greatest, most perfect military withdrawal in history! Would have made Corregidor look like a stroll in the park!!!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:19:09am

Scoring political points?

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Nojay UK  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:19:11am

re: #65 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

But it seems the many Brits are really upset because, i propose, that the UK followed the US has now exposed that following US foreign policy may not work out for the UK.

France, Sweden, Turkey, Germany and another fifteen or so countries “followed” America into Afghanistan, not because they thought it was a good idea but because they were all part of NATO, a treaty organisation and America invoked Clause 5 of that treaty. They are usually overlooked by the US press and people because, well, USA!!! USA!!! Rah rah rah!!!

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

In contrast the “Coalition of the Willing” invaded Iraq and most of the NATO treaty countries told the US to bugger off when invited to contribute to that particular clusterfuck. You may recall phrases like “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” and “Freedom Fries” being thrown around, all the time French troops were protecting the USA from Bin Laden and his Saudi nutters in Afghanistan.

Britain has a special relationship with the US, it’s tighter than any other relationship the US has with any other country — for example the US doesn’t rent nuclear-capable ballistic missiles to any other nation other than the UK. The US allowed the UK to fire off nukes in its weapons test sites, not a privilege accorded to any other nation. A lot of military development work is carried out between the UK and the US, the UK has spent about ten billion dollars building and operating spare aircraft carriers for the USN so they can go sabre-rattling in the South China Sea and so on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:22:46am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“If I had a new bicycle like that, I wouldn’t leave it lying on the grass to get rusty!”

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steve_davis  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:23:25am

re: #9 Belafon

You’re overreacting. The number of Americans that will care about this next year will be smaller than the number people who care about Hunter’s laptop.

oh malarkey. the american people overwhelmingly support getting out of afghanistan. and most are smart enough to understand the rightness in debates of him saying, ‘it was time for us to get out. no more blood and treasure in a country that can’t stand and fight for the principles that put us there in the first place.’

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:24:01am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:24:52am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Here I so want to go on the rant about people who call Afghanistan the “Middle East”.

Geography is not American’s strong suit.

But I’m tired so no long missive.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:26:20am

re: #102 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Here I so want to go on the rant about people who call Afghanistan the “Middle East”.

Geography is not American’s strong suit.

But I’m tired so not long missive.

I find it striking the number of people who do not know Israel is in Asia.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:28:05am

People are awfully quick to give the Taliban a pass.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:30:28am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“This is the day the Taliban became presidential.” /s

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:31:32am

re: #98 Nojay UK

Britain has a special relationship with the US, it’s tighter than any other relationship the US has with any other country — for example the US doesn’t rent nuclear-capable ballistic missiles to any other nation other than the UK.

Yeah, and the British once burned the White House.

Time moves on, and relationships change.

Militarily the US and UK have been close for 80 years now. That was due to the Russian revolution and communism more than anything else.

And inherently our closest relationships are with Mexico and Canada. Perhaps you may not realize this because you are in the UK, but living in San Diego I can assure you that the communities around here have much more in common, and are intimately more close, with Mexico than with the UK.

I am not an isolationist, and certainly not a MAGA-head America-first-er.

However, I do think we need to prioritize our relationships, and fighting remote wars that span decades just strikes me as a waste and the wrong priority.

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steve_davis  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:37:03am

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

He was the one candidate Trump feared because Trump knew he was the only one capable of defeating him. OTOH There are tens of millions of Americans who do not believe that Biden is the legitimate President — they believe he is senile — that others are pulling his strings — that he is corrupt. The lies from Faux News and Noisemax are spreading everywhere. Unless the new voter suppression laws are repealed, it won’t matter if a majority of Americans are not taken in by GOP lies, because the minority will control this nation for years to come.

yes, and those tens of millions aren’t and weren’t going to vote for Biden under any circumstances. The rest of us are smart enough to know it was long past time for us to be out of Afghanistan. This is how people exit wars, ninety percent of the time. When Napoleon exited Moscow, there were tens of thousands of hangers-on who perished on the way out, in the first hundred miles or so back. Part of the reason the army had such a slow slog of it was because the roads were clogged with vehicles and French refugees who’d set up shop in Moscow. War ain’t beanbag.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:37:35am

re: #102 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Here I so want to go on the rant about people who call Afghanistan the “Middle East”.

Geography is not American’s strong suit.

But I’m tired so no long missive.

Remember Michelle Bachmann criticizing Obama’s decision to send troops to Uganda?

“First he got us into Libya, now he’s getting us into Africa!”

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Nojay UK  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:38:40am

re: #106 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The US and the UK are very close politically as well as militarily and there’s also a lot of intellegence community interactions too. There are often jokes about the UK being the 51st state, especially when the British government of the day appears to be too subservient to US political aspirations but we also get things like the US helping to negotiate the Good Friday agreement with the UK’s own version of the Taliban.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:39:30am

re: #9 Belafon

You’re overreacting. The number of Americans that will care about this next year will be smaller than the number people who care about Hunter’s laptop.

Americans will care about exactly what their media sources tell them to care about. Or, at least, they’ll say whatever they’re told to care about as an excuse to feel whatever they’re told to feel.

You wouldn’t think millions of Americans would have cared about email server management, but here we are.

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steve_davis  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:42:12am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

LOL

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it is funny that the word basically does come from the idea of the left-tenant. The tenant, or person, left in charge while the captain, the “head,” is off elsewhere. (at least I’m pretty sure this is what I remember from a quora thread somewhere).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:56:17am

Bloomberg reports the Department of Defense says at least seven people plunged to their deaths from aircraft taking off at Kabul yesterday.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:00:09am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:02:42am

They want their “both sides are bad” moment so badly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:04:55am

“I stand behind the decision” = BLAMES OTHERS

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:04:56am

re: #2 austin_blue

Y’all really need to read this:

stonekettle.com

and, again, imagine if trump would have won reelection

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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:08:31am

Morning Lizards.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:11:32am

re: #33 Belafon

I have put 1000 miles on the stationary bike i bought back in March:

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I was hoping it would roll over since it was using the 4th digit as a tenths place, but it just dropped it, so I have 9 more five month system to go.

no matter where you go, there you are

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:13:03am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:20:37am

From Blabbermouth, a music review site.

QUEENSRŸCHE’s Atheist Singer Blasts SKILLET’s Jesus-Loving Frontman Over Anti-Mask Comments (August 16, 2021)

Earlier today, blabbermouth.net transcribed portions of the latest episode of Cooper’s “Cooper Stuff” podcast in which he called the issue mask wearing “nothing more than theater” and said that “every time I put my mask on, I know that I’m doing something that I do not believe in. In other words, I’m being forced to lie… I’m being forced to jump into something I don’t believe, and I’m living by a lie — I’m living by a lie that this mask is actually gonna keep me safe from all harm,” he continued. “To acquiesce to the government, which says that I’m believing something that I know that I don’t believe. So now I’m basically living in a fantasy world. That frightens me. And every time I put that mask on, that’s basically what I think. I know I’m doing this, I know it’s show, I know it’s theater, I know my overlords don’t even believe in it, because if they did, they wouldn’t be breaking all of their own rules.”

After blabbermouth.net published Cooper’s stance on mask wearing and shared the article on Facebook, La Torre took to the comments section and chimed in, writing: “Cool, then go volunteer on the Covid floor of a hospital maskless and let us know how that works out. He believes in a mythical celestial dictator but doesn’t believe in science. Got it.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:26:30am

Keep driving people away… .

Shane Vaughn Says It’s ‘A Sin’ to Believe in Climate Change (Right Wing Watch, August 16, 2021)

Right-wing pastor Shane Vaughn streamed a video (goes to YouTube, 42:02) last Thursday in which he declared that it is a sin for Christians to care about climate change.

Alleging that nothing humans can do can affect the climate and that environmental disasters are God’s judgment for sin, Vaughn asserted that those who care about climate change have been deceived by Satan as he blasted climate scientists as “demonic demons from the cesspools of the abyss of Hell.”

“Climate change is not scientific,” Vaughn said. “It is a religion. It is an anti-Christ religion that has taken over the minds of the world. In today’s lesson, I’m going to prove to you from God’s word that it is a sin to believe in the ideology and the religion of climate change.”

“Satan has deceived the whole world,” he added. “If you believe that mankind is causing climate change, you’re deceived by Satan. Do you know that the American West is withering as I speak to you right now? California is withering. Have you seen the levels of the lakes there? Folks, wake up America! Return to your God. Submit to Yahweh. Obey his commandments. Keep his sabbath holy. Give him his tithe. Walk circumspectly before him. Oh, hallelujah.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:30:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:33:40am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Keep driving people away… .

Shane Vaughn Says It’s ‘A Sin’ to Believe in Climate Change (Right Wing Watch, August 16, 2021)

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“Lies from the pit of Hel!”

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:39:22am

re: #73 Targetpractice

Nah, the bigger lie is here:

We don’t know how many boots were on the ground past 2017 because the DoD mysteriously stopped reporting those numbers as Q1 2018. Where’s the 2,500 figure really from? Donny sending out an order as of last November to have the total number deployed in Afghanistan drawn down to 2,500 by Jan 15th.

And no deaths in the last 18 months? That’s easy to figure out: The Taliban had received notice that we were leaving and waited us out. Why give us an excuse to surge more troops back in and prolong the fight if they can just take over the country as soon as we’re gone?

There was in fact a deal Trump made with the Taliban that they wouldn’t attack with the understanding that the US was leaving on May 1. If Biden broke (rather than merely delaying) Trump’s deal, he would’ve had to send thousands of US troops back to Afghanistan, and the fighting would’ve resumed, and the GQP would’ve excoriated him for THAT. The only one on the Right being intellectually honest about this is Anne Coulter, who tweeted out that Biden should be thanked for getting us out as Trump promised.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:40:39am

re: #124 No Malarkey!

It was a good PR move, and nobody plays damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t better than GOP pundits.

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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:41:52am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Keep driving people away… .

Shane Vaughn Says It’s ‘A Sin’ to Believe in Climate Change (Right Wing Watch, August 16, 2021)

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Give him his tithe.

And right there is the money shot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:44:20am

re: #126 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

So the drought and fires in the American West are God’s punishment for us believing in Satan’s Big Climate Change Lie?

Cannot argue with a pretzel like that, just swallow it whole (slathered in hot mustard)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:44:26am

re: #126 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

Give him his tithe.

And right there is the money shot.

Isn’t this supposed to be a family site? /s

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:45:45am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So the drought and fires in the American West are God’s punishment for us believing in Satan’s Big Climate Change Lie?

Cannot argue with a pretzel like that, just swallow it whole (slathered in hot mustard)

Good thing I don’t believe there is such a thing as sin. I’m safe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:46:20am

Taliban-related content banned on Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp

So the GOP was just proactively taking down its pages on the deals it had cut with the Taliban?

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:46:51am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Taliban-related content banned on Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp

So the GOP was just proactively taking down its pages on the deals it had cut with the Taliban?

You could say it was… Talibanned.

I’ll see myself out.

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Florida Panhandler  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:50:07am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

People are awfully quick to give the Taliban a pass.

….And scorpions will never, ever sting a wolf crossing a river.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:52:05am

re: #131 Dopamine Fish

You could say it was… Talibanned.

I’ll see myself out.

Tali-ho!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 4:56:02am

The Hackberry Fire in Banner and Morrill Counties continues to grow, now at 6,177 acres (2,499 ha).
fireweatheravalanche.org

The Cross fire in the Wildcat Hills in Banner and Scott’s Bluff Counties also continues to grow, now at 2,460 acres (995 ha).
fireweatheravalanche.org

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:02:18am

Perhaps we can help out Australia in this.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:04:07am

re: #124 No Malarkey!

There was in fact a deal Trump made with the Taliban that they wouldn’t attack with the understanding that the US was leaving on May 1. If Biden broke (rather than merely delaying) Trump’s deal, he would’ve had to send thousands of US troops back to Afghanistan, and the fighting would’ve resumed, and the GQP would’ve excoriated him for THAT. The only one on the Right being intellectually honest about this is Anne Coulter, who tweeted out that Biden should be thanked for getting us out as Trump promised.

Indeed. When people say we only had minimal troop levels and it wasn’t costing much to keep things stable, it ignores that Trump drew down troop levels and theTaliban agreed to stay on the sidelines (more or less) as part of the withdrawal plans. If Biden re-inserted troops and/or otherwise delayed, there would have been hell to pay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:04:25am

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Australia will unlikely be able to assist all Afghans that assisted its military, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said, as Canberra readies its own evacuation plan from Afghanistan]

This will be a useful lesson to anyone in future who considers assisting US or AUS occupation forces…

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A Mom Anon  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:15:06am

re: #102 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s because during the time after 9/11 all the maps shown on TV and various references lumped it in with the Middle East. Same with Israel-which is confusing to me because looking up what is considered the ME, Israel is included. I am guilty of it, mostly because I didn’t know what was actually considered the Middle East. And yes, I can find both places on a map. Most maps just have country or state borders, not particular regions. I’m a weirdo who has books of maps, folding maps and a globe. And was taught geography. If I can make a mistake about this, younger people who weren’t taught geography or how to read maps probably don’t know it either.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:16:43am

A victory for religious freedom in Colorado.

I noted several days ago that an atheist at the Denver Rescue Mission was returned to prison for parole violation, specifically for not following the programme’s requirements, including prayer, attending church, and worship services. The courts had refused his release to family members.

He was also prohibited from telling anyone he was an atheist, express any of his religious thoughts, views, or beliefs.

The court case involved him and two other atheists in a suit alleging their I Amendment rights were violated by the mission as an agent of the State of Colorado.

The case revealed the parole officer was a close personal friend of the chaplain of the Denver Rescue Mission. As such, when the atheist stood up for his Constitutional rights, the chaplain reported him as a violator of parole.

US District Court ruled against the atheists, with the state of Colorado arguing atheists have no religious rights because they do not believe in God.

The Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals has now overturned that decision.

janny v gamez (ACLU)

The Tenth Circuit Court also denied qualified immunity for the parole officer, clearing the way for a personal lawsuit against him for denying civil rights under the colour of law.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:29:58am

re: #138 A Mom Anon

It’s because during the time after 9/11 all the maps shown on TV and various references lumped it in with the Middle East. Same with Israel-which is confusing to me because looking up what is considered the ME, Israel is included. I am guilty of it, mostly because I didn’t know what was actually considered the Middle East. And yes, I can find both places on a map. Most maps just have country or state borders, not particular regions. I’m a weirdo who has books of maps, folding maps and a globe. And was taught geography. If I can make a mistake about this, younger people who weren’t taught geography or how to read maps probably don’t know it either.

Just like Libya and Tunisia consider it Middle East because Muslim.

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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:30:35am

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

A victory for religious freedom in Colorado.

I noted several days ago that an atheist at the Denver Rescue Mission was returned to prison for parole violation, specifically for not following the programme’s requirements, including prayer, attending church, and worship services. The courts had refused his release to family members.

He was also prohibited from telling anyone he was an atheist, express any of his religious thoughts, views, or beliefs.

The court case involved him and two other atheists in a suit alleging their I Amendment rights were violated by the mission as an agent of the State of Colorado.

The case revealed the parole officer was a close personal friend of the chaplain of the Denver Rescue Mission. As such, when the atheist stood up for his Constitutional rights, the chaplain reported him as a violator of parole.

US District Court ruled against the atheists, with the state of Colorado arguing atheists have no religious rights because they do not believe in God.

The Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals has now overturned that decision.

janny v gamez (ACLU)

The Tenth Circuit Court also denied qualified immunity for the parole officer, clearing the way for a personal lawsuit against him for denying civil rights under the colour of law.

Hobby Lobby (boo, hiss) also got slapped down.

Hobby Lobby Loses Transgender Bathroom Access Case in Illinois

Hobby Lobby Stores Inc. violated Illinois anti-bias law by denying a transgender woman employee access to the women’s bathroom, a state appellate court ruled in a case of first impression.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:34:28am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just like Libya and Tunisia consider it Middle East because Muslim.

Let’s lump in Indonesia. Close enough I guess.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:35:30am

The Afghan army started negotiating surrender terms last year. And yet Biden was supposed to send more US troops to fight and die there?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:38:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:39:23am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:41:51am

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I don’t even like the term “Middle-East”.

It is old fashioned an out of date.

Geographically, southwest Asia is composed of the region traditionally called the Levant. Plus more.

And the Arabian peninsula is its own geologic plate, but it is lumped in with Asia. Culturally the people on said plate have a long history of interacting with their neighbors at times, including Africa.

Egypt is part of Africa, and is one of several large regions in the Nile watershed.

So yes, Libya, Algeria, Egypt - all should be called “Africa”. You can just call Egypt by one of several ancient names it has been known by.

What so many people in the English speaking world mean by “Middle East” is “Muslim”.

Religion and language have enforced certain groups of people in these parts of the world to have strong boundaries between them. The Arab expansion that accompanied the Islamic expansion of what Europeans call the “middle ages” has spread the culture of what was once a small group to many people.

Given all the above, “Middle East” is just a cop-out term to use.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:42:27am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:45:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:48:35am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

It makes sense if the Chinese are hiding 50,000 troops across the Canadian border that we should have at least 30,000 in Taiwan as a counterforce…

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jeffreyw  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:51:11am

YouTube

Good morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:51:28am

can confirm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:52:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:53:16am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

can confirm

in my case, it’s lyrics from 50-60 years ago.

sigh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:54:30am

jeebus

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:57:00am

US withdrawal from Afghanistan, pundits and media types who traveled to Karachi and Kabul to report on events, hardest hit.

The reality is that the people hardest hit by the US withdrawal are the ones who believed the US would be there indefinitely and would help Afghans reach some semblance of modern society. Women and children will be hardest hit.

I see that the Taliban is trying to woo people into staying in govt positions and not abandon the place, but the Taliban have a long history of whacking those who disagreed with them, especially on religious matters. That puts women and children (especially girls) in a precarious position. There will be retributions.

The scene at the airport was due in no small part to Trump egging this situation to come to pass, because he wanted Biden to pay for Trump’s failures. He wanted Biden to be saddled with the images, not Trump.

Thing is, Trump will be the one remembered for the inability to end the conflict and bring the troops home. Biden will be the one remembered for taking responsibility for the handling of the withdrawal. At same time, the GOP are fighting to deny asylum to the thousands of people trying to flee Kabul because they fear for their lives under a new Taliban regime. The GOP doesn’t care what happens to any of them. They never did.

It’s far easier to start wars than end them. It’s far easier to bomb than to build. You can profit handsomely from being a weapons dealer even when the bombs don’t land where you need them to - you can just issue an improved variant… and the military will buy it all the same. We’ll be reading about how the Taliban used the mountain caves to great effect the way the Viet Cong and NVA used the Cu Chi tunnels despite nonstop bombardments by B-52s and tunnel rat missions.

There were diminishing returns to staying, and only burdens of spending on an endless war - billions of dollars that the GOP always claimed we didn’t have to spend back home. That’s billions that went to defense contractors, not schools or road construction or health care or education.

We see what happens. And we will learn nothing because it is only a matter of time before the next conflict occurs and we do the same exact things with the same predictable outcomes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 5:57:36am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:03:46am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

I’m sure defense contractors are big donors to Mitch.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:04:49am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

in my case, it’s lyrics from 50-60 years ago.

sigh

You know you’re getting old when your name appears in the “Days Gone By” column of the county newspaper. Mine is in there this week for something I did on the village board five years ago.

At least I’m not reading my obituary, so that’s a plus. (That and it didn’t appear in the “120 Years Ago” list.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:09:15am

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You know you’re getting old when your name appears in the “Days Gone By” column of the county newspaper. Mine is in there this week for something I did on the village board five years ago.

At least I’m not reading my obituary, so that’s a plus. (That and it didn’t appear in the “120 Years Ago” list.)

I have been living abroad longer than I ever did at some (since March of 2017)

I have lived at this address longer than anywhere else I have lived ever in my life (since 2008) and as I recall, my parents moved house some time right before my 12th birthday.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:10:08am

I’m going to amble off to bed. I’ll catch y’all another time.

(3:09)

The Weavers - Goodnight Irene

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:10:51am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have been living abroad longer than I ever did at some (since March of 2017)

I have lived at this address longer than anywhere else I have lived ever in my life (since 2008) and as I recall, my parents moved house some time right before my 12th birthday.

Well, I’m not abroad, but this is the place I’ve lived the longest in my life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:15:51am

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Well, I’m not abroad, but this is the place I’ve lived the longest in my life.

Austin Lounge Lizards - Cornhusker Refugee

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:19:32am

Posted this one earlier, but this seems to be able to come in handy with GQP response to Taliban…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:20:05am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“It’s hard to be gay in Lodgepole, Nebraska.” LOL

Lodgepole is just down the road from here.

It’s the big city (population 318)

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:21:00am

re: #163 Teukka

Posted this one earlier, but this seems to be able to come in handy with GQP response to Taliban…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:23:14am

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“It’s hard to be gay in Lodgepole, Nebraska.” LOL

Lodgepole is just down the road from here.

It’s the big city (population 318)

really? I just assumed it was made up…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:23:19am

re: #163 Teukka

Posted this one earlier, but this seems to be able to come in handy with GQP response to Taliban…

MAGA—Make Afghanistan Great Again.

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:25:28am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

MAGA—Make Afghanistan Great Again.

I have been thinking that a couple of times, but wondered if it was too poor quality to be shared here.

Also, are there sites where you can generate text on red caps?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:25:30am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

really? I just assumed it was made up…

Nope, it’s a real place. Named after a place where people who settled here (displaced those who lived here) were assumed to cut poles for lodges (on Lodgepole Creek).

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:29:40am

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Isn’t this supposed to be a family site? /s

Since when?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:29:49am

re: #168 Teukka

I have been thinking that a couple of times, but wondered if it was too poor quality to be shared here.

Also, are there sites where you can generate text on red caps?

Yup.

Hey, let’s all make our own Donald Trump hats (Washington Post)

It won’t work with Afghanistan because the hat generator only accepts fourteen characters per line.

To use it, type in the phrase, copy the image, then paste it here.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:31:18am

if i havent made it abundantly clear, my first stop every morning is electoral-vote.com.

Their analysis is usually reasonably accurate and mostly evenhanded, otherwise they’d lose their credibility.

Today’s summary on Afghanistan is a 5 minutes to read.
I cannot find a lot to disagree with.

The reality
The Blame
The Spin
The Political Implications / future

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:32:37am

re: #143 No Malarkey!

The Afghan army started negotiating surrender terms last year. And yet Biden was supposed to send more US troops to fight and die there?

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This will definitely make people wonder why the evacuation wasn’t better planned out. And the answer is that if we had started evacuating sooner, it would have collapsed sooner.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:33:27am

Sweet dreams. (8:40)

What if We Nuke the Moon?

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:33:42am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yup.

Hey, let’s all make our own Donald Trump hats (Washington Post)

It won’t work with Afghanistan because the hat generator only accepts fourteen characters per line.

To use it, type in the phrase, copy the image, then paste it here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:36:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:37:47am
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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:40:05am

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

hi

I’m glad to see Decatur Deb is back. I hope his mailbox is safe.

Pastor Holds Campaign Event for GOP Candidate Larry Elder During Church Service (Friendly Atheist)

All denominations are guilty of campaigning from the pulpit, and all participate in so-called “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” where they record themselves explicilty campaigning for candidates or resolutions, then mail the recordings to the IRS.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:40:19am

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

30 or 30,000? What does it matter In for a penny, in for a pound, right?

REMEMBER OBAMA SAID THIER WUZ FIFTYSEVEN STATES!!!

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:41:41am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

re: #126 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

Give him his tithe.

And right there is the money shot.

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Isn’t this supposed to be a family site? /s

re: #170 Belafon

Since when?

It’s fun coming in and catching the end of a conversation then going back and figuring out the context.

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:41:49am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yup.

Hey, let’s all make our own Donald Trump hats (Washington Post)

It won’t work with Afghanistan because the hat generator only accepts fourteen characters per line.

To use it, type in the phrase, copy the image, then paste it here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:45:25am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lots of subtle (and not so subtle) “we agree ideologically with the Taliban, actually” from the same Christian conservative men obsessed with “western civilization” and “masculinity”. You are fooling no one.

as we discussed here earlier, it’s the beards: Biblical patriarch, Confederate Colonel, Mujajedin, Hassidic Rabbi, member of ZZ Top, they all just love that “manly” look…

Every girl crazy ‘bout a hirsute man…

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:47:25am

re: #181 Teukka

This is the best I could do.

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:47:53am

re: #181 Teukka

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:48:32am
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Mattand  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:54:30am

re: #155 lawhawk

Thing is, Trump will be the one remembered for the inability to end the conflict and bring the troops home. Biden will be the one remembered for taking responsibility for the handling of the withdrawal.

You are being waaaaaaaaaay too generous and optimistic about the average American’s ability to both remember history and critically examine facts.

Seriously; look at the NYT, Politico, CNN, the tv news shows, etc.,, right now. As others have pointed out, it’s fucking wall-to-wall Republicans, MAGAts, and Trump admin officials they’re talking to. No one else.

That is wha the average idiot “IMMA IN-DUH-PENDENT VOTERZ, DERP!!!!” is going to remember at the polls this year and next: that Biden somehow fucked up Afghanistan, despite the sheer overwhelming evidence that Trump set him up to fail.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:54:30am

re: #185 Belafon

“I did not realize that the threat of death is inadequate to make people want to go have vaccines,” Dr. Meena said.

Try the threat of sexual inadequacy…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:55:27am

re: #186 Mattand

Trump is still good at manipulating the media and they are going along with him fully on this…

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:56:03am

re: #186 Mattand

With that said, I did have a positive discussion with a now-former friend of mine last night, where I was able to educate him on what actually happened in Afghanistan with the Taliban takeover. So it is possible to reach at least some people.

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:56:30am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Try the threat of sexual inadequacy…

Isn’t E.D. a verified sequelae to a CoViD-19 infection? Or was it a verified “long hauler” symptom?

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:58:26am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Big G ain’t what he used to be…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 6:59:30am

re: #191 JOE 🥓

Big G ain’t what he used to be…

That is because of the growing power of evil athiesm

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:00:28am

re: #191 JOE 🥓

Big G ain’t what he used to be…

[Embedded content]

I though by “Big G” you meant Godzilla.

Speaking of Godzilla, this exists - and I want it.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:01:58am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

What did Grover do to deserve *that* fate?

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:03:50am

re: #186 Mattand

You are being waaaaaaaaaay too generous and optimistic about the average American’s ability to both remember history and critically examine facts.

Contradicts:

That is wha the average idiot “IMMA IN-DUH-PENDENT VOTERZ, DERP!!!!” is going to remember at the polls this year and next: that Biden somehow fucked up Afghanistan, despite the sheer overwhelming evidence that Trump set him up to fail.

They’re not going to remember right now next year.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:04:47am

re: #185 Belafon

That Vice article is a doozy…if you haven’t read it, go read it now.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:06:12am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:06:25am

re: #194 lawhawk

What did Grover do to deserve *that* fate?

Don’t know. But it’s still funny.

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Mattand  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:06:41am

re: #194 lawhawk

What did Grover do to deserve *that* fate?

IIRC, a recent Toho Godzilla movie (Shin Godzilla, maybe?) re-imagined him with having a tail that was alive or something; kind of a reverse xenomorph.

The general idea was that Godzilla was so badly burned and deformed by radiation, he’s in constant pain and basically a demon from Hell. I think.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:08:09am

Proof that corporations can be evil:

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:09:06am

re: #195 Belafon

Contradicts:

They’re not going to remember right now next year.

This is how Republicans survive politically. Afghanistan will be as hot an issue as Burma/Myanmar is. Or Ukraine. Or Taiwan. Or Palestine.

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Mattand  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:09:06am

re: #195 Belafon

Contradicts:

They’re not going to remember right now next year.

I hope so. Point taken, but IMO, there’ll be a general fleeting synapse firing of “Democrats Afghanistan Bad” when they march to the polls.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:10:50am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:17:27am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

I though by “Big G” you meant Godzilla.

Speaking of Godzilla, this exists - and I want it.

[Embedded content]

The Grover tail and Cookie’s head! Awesome find.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:18:27am

re: #199 Mattand

IIRC, a recent Toho Godzilla movie (Shin Godzilla, maybe?) re-imagined him with having a tail that was alive or something; kind of a reverse xenomorph.

The general idea was that Godzilla was so badly burned and deformed by radiation, he’s in constant pain and basically a demon from Hell. I think.

At the end of Shin Godzilla, you can see new forms that the rapidly-mutating creature is taking.

These new iterations are distinctly humanoid. I do hope that a sequel is made - I’d love to see where they go with that idea.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:19:36am

re: #204 darthstar

The Grover tail and Cookie’s head! Awesome find.

I recall growing up having a Cookie monster finger puppet that looked just like that…

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:19:44am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

I though by “Big G” you meant Godzilla.

[Embedded content]

There is only one Big G on the Earth!

Big G Cereal Commercials (1960’s)

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:20:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:26:04am
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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:26:24am
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:26:31am
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:27:17am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s Ron Perlman in a cat costume.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:27:48am

re: #211 The Pie Overlord!

all that bride wants to do is get drunk and let loose with her friends ON HER WEDDING DAY!

That groom should escape while he still can.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:28:48am
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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:29:16am

re: #210 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Governor Hot Wheels is gonna need a lot more of those trailers. Five just ain’t enough…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:29:57am
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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:33:02am

re: #211 The Pie Overlord!

Oh holy shitballs… the asshole in not wanting a grandmother to attend the party? Yeah, you do what you can to get family there. Trust me when I say you cherish having them there… enjoying and taking it all in, even if they can’t dance.

I know one of the mrs grandparents held on just to attend our wedding and passed shortly after we got married.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:34:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:34:46am

re: #217 lawhawk

Oh holy shitballs… the asshole in not wanting a grandmother to attend the party? .

There are people who are not happy unless they control every aspect of an event, even the getting out of control aspect.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:35:15am

Here’s an interesting documentary about urban planning in Communist-era Czechoslovakia. This focuses on the city of Ustí nad Labem (Aussig).

When Urban Planning Tries To Destroy an Entire City

Goes into a bit of the darker parts of post-WWII Czechoslovak history, including the expulsion of ethnic Germans vis-a-vis the Beneš Decrees.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:35:32am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

all that bride wants to do is get drunk and let loose with her friends ON HER WEDDING DAY!

That groom should escape while he still can.

Also: NO KIDS is a big red flag. Every wedding I have ever been to in my life had swarms of kids everywhere. My granddaughter’s husband is from a family of 11. A “No Kids!” wedding is a statement by the bride and groom that they do not intend to procreate.

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:35:54am

re: #217 lawhawk

Oh holy shitballs… the asshole in not wanting a grandmother to attend the party? Yeah, you do what you can to get family there. Trust me when I say you cherish having them there… enjoying and taking it all in, even if they can’t dance.

I know one of the mrs grandparents held on just to attend our wedding and passed shortly after we got married.

My mother’s mother didn’t live long enough to see my wedding day. We didn’t have a big party (like we would have if we had our wedding today), but if she had been alive to see it, we would have had her there even if we had. She might have hated it, but we would have forever regretted her not being there. My dad’s parents didn’t attend my parents’ wedding, and his mom regretted it to her dying day, despite it not being her choice.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:36:05am

My gallows humor switch must be broken. I can’t even joke about the Covid spikes this morning.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:37:59am

re: #223 darthstar

My gallows humor switch must be broken. I can’t even joke about the Covid spikes this morning.

It is unsportsmanlike conduct for Covid to be dancing in the end zone.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:40:31am

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:42:53am

re: #222 Dopamine Fish

One of our most cherished photos is one of our three living grandmas at our wedding. We wanted kids there. It’s not a good wedding unless there are kids there (because they often steal the show with cuteness!)

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:44:02am

I hate gerrymandering as much as I hate war, and you have to fight when you are attacked:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:44:34am

So I recall attending a wedding of some of my ex-wife’s friends. Our three-year-old daughter was acting up so I thought it best just to take her outside until the service was over.

There a saw a fellow sitting on a bench with his arms folded. I even wondered if he was not like Harald and Maude, except he crashed weddings instead of funerals.

Turned out it was the bride’s father. But he was against the Church and refused to attend the service (after driving up over an hour from Mannheim)…then we went to the reception, a lovely outdoor event, easygoing, with a buffet but otherwise we just hung out, the ex-and I played some informal music, and it seems, the bride’s parents up and left in a huff.

“This is not what we expected,” they explained. I assumed they had expected a traditional German wedding with arranged seating and a band and a first course of Leberknödelsuppe and prepared speeches by the Bride’s father, best man and groom, etc…

In-lawzillas

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:46:31am

re: #197 Belafon

I put up a rant on social media last night that boiled down to you “I hope you idiots that don’t want to vaccinate realize that even those of us that are healthy at the moment could potentially be fucked if we have a stroke / heart attack / burst appendix / car accident, etc. because THERE IS NO FUCKING SPACE AT THE HOSPITALS and limited staff to treat such patients.”

I can’t remember who it was but someone posted a video here yesterday of a senior medical person in Louisiana saying that if cases stay on their current trajectory, it could get to the point that if you call for an ambulance, they won’t send one because NONE OF THE HOSPITALS NEARBY CAN TAKE YOU IN.

I don’t know about the rest of your, but that FUCKING SCARES ME a little bit.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:46:32am

re: #211 The Pie Overlord!

my first wedding was in ‘96.
it was about 15 years since i lost the future mrsdm 10 of which it took to learn to live with the idea of not ever seeing her again.

my mom and i sorta had the same issue with my grandmother / her mother.
she was the last living grand, 102 or so at the time.
in a nursing home, needed a wheelchair, etc.
we struggled (moreso than the dragonlady/bride’s family actually).
not so much should she come, but how. would she enjoy the noise and music.
would she have a clue etc. plus transportation etc.

in the end yup, she came. with an aide. they both sat at the “parent’s” table. and it went just fine. i wont say she had a blast, but she and we were all glad she was there. (and yeah, she ate.)

the marriage, otoh, was a short lived disaster.

for that, i thank the fates every day because they already knew that in 10 more years the future mrsdm and I would find each other again.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:46:33am

re: #217 lawhawk

Oh holy shitballs… the asshole in not wanting a grandmother to attend the party? Yeah, you do what you can to get family there. Trust me when I say you cherish having them there… enjoying and taking it all in, even if they can’t dance.

I know one of the mrs grandparents held on just to attend our wedding and passed shortly after we got married.

My daughter’s sister-in-law (her husband’s sister) married a Persian Jew. Their wedding etiquette requires that the bride has to wait on her mother-in-law and grandmother-in-law. To establish the pecking order and who is dominant.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:47:10am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

talk to trump. he negotiated the deal.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:49:02am

re: #227 Belafon

I’d argue that isn’t gerrymandering as the districts are contiguous and aren’t being geographically broken up the way some other districts are set up. They are more compact. It reflects the fact that upstate lost people, and NYC gained more people than live in the state of Wyoming (ha, NYC grew by the state of Wyoming at a time when people said NYC was over/done/dead). But for NYC, NYS could have lost several seats. It came within a few people of retaining all the seats it did for the first time in 50+ years.

I get the point though about creating competitive districts, but the reality is also that urban areas are increasingly where people live and they’re Democratic leaning, and the rural areas are GOP (and getting left behind).

The NY map could very well wipe out any potential chicanery by GOPers in states like FL or TX.

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:50:47am

re: #226 lawhawk

One of our most cherished photos is one of our three living grandmas at our wedding. We wanted kids there. It’s not a good wedding unless there are kids there (because they often steal the show with cuteness!)

One of our favorite family photos is all of the living women of the family together - my wife, my mom, my dad’s mom, my wife’s mom, and my sister. Her getting to attend that wedding was one of the highlights of the twilight years of her life, before she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and died shortly before my daughter was born. The only reason we didn’t have a lot kids at our wedding was because there weren’t any kids to have, outside of my one sister-in-law (and yes, the kids she did have were there).

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:50:50am

re: #227 Belafon

I hate gerrymandering as much as I hate war, and you have to fight when you are attacked:

Those are US House seats not state House seats, right? That would be okay with me. Keep Pelosi in her speaker role or whatever Democrat replaces her if she retires.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:51:59am

re: #233 lawhawk

I was going to say the same. those aren’t origami districts, they’re just big blocks. Also, the net gain is 4 for Dems in this picture(not guaranteed) because NY loses one seat. California loses one too.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:53:48am

re: #233 lawhawk

I’d argue that isn’t gerrymandering as the districts are contiguous and aren’t being geographically broken up the way some other districts are set up. They are more compact. It reflects the fact that upstate lost people, and NYC gained more people than live in the state of Wyoming (ha, NYC grew by the state of Wyoming at a time when people said NYC was over/done/dead). But for NYC, NYS could have lost several seats. It came within a few people of retaining all the seats it did for the first time in 50+ years.

I get the point though about creating competitive districts, but the reality is also that urban areas are increasingly where people live and they’re Democratic leaning, and the rural areas are GOP (and getting left behind).

The NY map could very well wipe out any potential chicanery by GOPers in states like FL or TX.

They definitely look better than those here in Texas.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:55:10am

re: #232 Dangerman

Oh FFS. Yeah, figures Bolton would have us stay there forever. Our own little colony, where we play Pieds-Noirs and lord it up over the locals.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:57:08am

A physics student should know better, but this little turd does not regret taking up an evacuation seat because he vacationed somewhere extremely stupid.

UK student who travelled to Afghanistan for holiday evacuated (BBC News)

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:57:20am

re: #236 darthstar

I was going to say the same. those aren’t origami districts, they’re just big blocks. Also, the net gain is 4 for Dems in this picture(not guaranteed) because NY loses one seat. California loses one too.

The bulk of seats in NY are downstate - NYC, where population density means districts can be a few zip codes bunched together.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:58:38am

re: #235 darthstar

Yes. Those are Congressional district maps. The state assembly and senate district maps are not available AFAIK. Those are far more variable, but will still give Democrats a significant edge in the Assembly and a lesser one in the state Senate.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:59:38am
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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:59:39am

re: #203 JOE 🥓

Excellent trolling cap :) :D

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bratwurst  Aug 17, 2021 • 7:59:52am
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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:00:34am

re: #211 The Pie Overlord!

Well my “born again” sisters kids made it clear I was not welcome at their weddings since they restricted their ceremonies to “born again” people.

I sent a present to the first one up to get married and it was rejected by them. So I just got the refund and nope. Nobody else gets anything.

My oldest sister insisted that I had to go to her 25th anniversary where she would once again exchange vows with hubby but I had to publicly accept JC as my savior at that.

It was Tongue Fu® time and I let that fool have it with both barrels.

Folks send me marriage invitations…into the shredder they go…

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:02:44am

Trailer for Star Wars: Visions dropped.

Star Wars: Visions | Original Trailer | Disney+

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:03:41am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again remember that women used to enjoy a lot of freedoms in Afghanistan until 1980 under the old government that the Soviets came in to support - and which we helped topple.

This is wrong. The Soviets toppled that government themselves, several such governments in fact. Specifically, King Mohammed Zahir Shah, who had worked steadily in favor of modernization for 40 years, was deposed by his pro-Soviet cousin, Mohammed Daoud Khan, in 1974.
Daoud, in turn, was deposed and assassinated in a straight up communist coup in 1978. The new government, headed by Nur Mohammed Taraki, was called the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, with a brief cult of personality centered on Taraki himself. It was Taraki’s assassination, late in 1979, that led directly to the Soviet intervention. The new leader, Hafizullah Amin, lasted 3 months before he, too, was assassinated by the Soviets in Operation Storm 333.
This finally brought Babrak Karmal to power as the Soviets’ chief puppet for the rest of the Democratic Republic’s miserable existence. He, finally, died of natural causes in exile in 1996.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:06:13am

re: #232 Dangerman

talk to trump. he negotiated the deal.

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bratwurst  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:08:02am

re: #248 JOE 🥓

At least the guy on the right saved people time!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:10:30am

re: #247 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Thank you for the details of the Clusterfuck, but my point was that Afghani women had a lot more rights and liberties under the previous regimes and the Republic than they did under tribal and religious leaders (whom we supported because they sere anti-Soviet) took over.

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lawhawk  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:10:47am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:12:46am

re: #251 lawhawk

Uncanny, isn’t it, how the same thing keeps happening again and again and again. It’s almost like all these people have something in common, something that somehow, inexplicably, makes them vulnerable to COVID-19.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:12:54am

re: #251 lawhawk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:14:04am

re: #253 Punish Domestic Terrorists

It is Darwinian justice if they die, I just don’t like the thought of how many people they might take with them…

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BeachDem  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:15:12am

re: #208 Belafon

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Ah—misspent much of my youth at Paragon Park (worked summers as a nanny in Nantasket.) Sadly, the park is gone, but the carousel remains.

Today, the only surviving remnant of Paragon Park on the boardwalk is the historic Paragon Park Carousel, which was moved from its original site. It is now located next to the old train station and clock tower.

Thanks for the memories.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:16:58am

Just shut the fuck up, Dumbya.

Shut the fuck up.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:18:31am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is Darwinian justice if they die, I just don’t like the thought of how many people they might take with them…

It’s been a very long time since a threat came along to chlorinate the gene pool. We’ve bred a lot of morons with our safe society, who just can’t cope with any threat.

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Mattand  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:20:42am

re: #215 JOE 🥓

Governor Hot Wheels is gonna need a lot more of those trailers. Five just ain’t enough…

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

I put up a rant on social media last night that boiled down to you “I hope you idiots that don’t want to vaccinate realize that even those of us that are healthy at the moment could potentially be fucked if we have a stroke / heart attack / burst appendix / car accident, etc. because THERE IS NO FUCKING SPACE AT THE HOSPITALS and limited staff to treat such patients.”

I can’t remember who it was but someone posted a video here yesterday of a senior medical person in Louisiana saying that if cases stay on their current trajectory, it could get to the point that if you call for an ambulance, they won’t send one because NONE OF THE HOSPITALS NEARBY CAN TAKE YOU IN.

I don’t know about the rest of your, but that FUCKING SCARES ME a little bit.

This is basically what I’ve been obsessing over with COVID lately. I don’t know if it’s a conscious decision for a lot of the MAGAts or not, but there really is this background nihilist hum “I don’t care if I get it and I don’t care who I kill if I give it to them.”

My dad got like that when we took his car from him near the end. He was under doctor’s orders not to drive, partly because of his overall terrible physical shape, but mostly due to the burgeoning Parkinson’s he’d been diagnosed with.

I did eventually ask him if what if he were on the road and accidentally killed someone in an accident. Without hesitation, his answer was “Well, that’s their fault for being there at that time.”

That really upset me to no end. And I think that’s what’s killing me with the conservative “Just live with COVID, Jesus loves the American economy more than you” mentality. These people of God are really intent on taking down this country with a virus because their idea of freedom is “No one tells me what to do, ever, even if it means I’m causing serious injury to those around me.”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:21:35am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Thank you for the details of the Clusterfuck, but my point was that Afghani women had a lot more rights and liberties until the Republic than they did under tribal and religious leaders (whom we supported because they sere anti-Soviet) took over.

They did under the monarchy too. The point of no return was probably the brief Taraki regime, which greatly accelerated a modernization program that had been in place, and yielding results, for many years. Taraki backed these changes with brute force, arresting torturing and killing anyone who opposed the reforms, including Muslim clergy, and even anyone who advised him to slow down. This led directly to the Mujaheddin insurrection, which neither Taraki nor successor Amin showed any ability to control.
This is a great article in The Atlantic, showing just what the situation was in the monarchy’s heyday. Afghanistan in the 1950s and ’60s
James A. Michener went to Afghanistan in 1956 to research his novel Caravans, and commented quite a bit on the state of progress there.

Picture taken in 1962 at the Faculty of Medicine in Kabul of two Afghan medicine students listening to their professor (at right) as they examine a plaster cast showing a part of a human body. #

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plansbandc  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:24:29am
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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:25:28am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:26:20am

re: #261 Teukka

I believe that is called the Producers Paradox.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:27:50am

re: #258 Mattand

This is the end result of 50 years of the right mainstreaming Ayn AS IN MINE Rand’s Objectivism into every facet of American society.

We used to have a National Will to do the common good but thanks to the Right it’s now Look Out For #1 And Fuck Everyone Else As You Lie, Cheat & Steal Your Way To The Top.

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plansbandc  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:28:53am

Oh look, the money trail.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:29:07am

re: #261 Teukka

Is that from the Church of the SubGenius site on FB?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:29:37am

re: #260 plansbandc

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plansbandc  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:31:02am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Oh that made me laugh. :D

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:33:23am

Cardinal QAnon still on a respirator…

wpr.org

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:34:15am

re: #265 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is that from the Church of the SubGenius site on FB?

I still have my CotSG book from back in the 90s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:35:59am

re: #269 Belafon

I still have my CotSG book from back in the 90s.

They have been around for a long time, I think I first ran into a Bob Dobbs fan at the turn of the 80’s…

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:38:57am

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:40:58am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:43:09am

Let them fight.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:43:34am

re: #272 No Malarkey!

i dont know whether to laugh, cry, spit, smile or swallow

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KingKenrod  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:44:40am

re: #260 plansbandc

OMG I was going to post this - funniest thing I’ve seen in a while.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:45:10am

re: #273 No Malarkey!

The far-right website TruNews is not pleased about Mike Lindell accusing them of being funded by Media Matters and aiding antifa. “I can’t trust anything Mike Lindell says,” Rick Wiles said. “I wouldn’t waste a dime on anything Mike Lindell says.”]

The farther out they get, the harder it is to maintain true Conservative Cred without buying into every crazy CC out there.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:45:35am

re: #274 Dangerman

i dont know whether to laugh, cry, spit, smile or swallow

It’s a parody account, in case anyone wasn’t sure it’s a joke.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:45:59am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The farther out they get, the harder it is to maintain true Conservative Cred without buying into every crazy CC out there.

And they turn on each other more quickly. Further illustrating these are terrible people.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:47:04am

Governor Beshear is giving a news conference explaining how dire the pandemic is, while these idiots are lying to a legislative committee.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:48:51am

re: #273 No Malarkey!

Let them fight.

[Embedded content]

And Crackhead Mike returns fire…

Mike Lindell Accuses TruNews of Being a ‘Fake News’ Front Established by Media Matters

How much Booger Sugar did Crackhead Mike snort before he said that?

And of course the old fuckin anti-Semite RiKKK Wiles shot back at the Crackhead!

TruNews Suddenly Realizes Mike Lindell Can’t Be Trusted

Crackhead needs to lay off the Booger Sugar!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:48:55am

What a far cry from ED-209. We’re boned.

Atlas | Partners in Parkour

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Citizen K  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:50:13am

The press isn’t going to be satisfied until they’ve chased BIden out of the White House apparently. They’re literally inventing all the ways that Biden is the sole person to blame for all of this and may as well personally have killed every Afghani casualty as a result of this.

They’re not going to stop until we see a total Dem wipeout in ‘22, apparently. And fuck if they may get it the way they’re going these days.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:54:06am

re: #282 Citizen K

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The press isn’t going to be satisfied until they’ve chased BIden out of the White House apparently. They’re literally inventing all the ways that Biden is the sole person to blame for all of this and may as well personally have killed every Afghani casualty as a result of this.

They’re not going to stop until we see a total Dem wipeout in ‘22, apparently. And fuck if they may get it the way they’re going these days.

I’ve said all along that the CCCP is hell bent on kneecapping Joe and putting Trump back in the White House. The CCCP wants the Republicans to get the House back so they can endlessly “investigate” Hunter Biden. The CCCP wants blood in the water because that brings in the cash.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:54:20am

They have learned from Trump.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:55:58am

re: #277 No Malarkey!

It’s a parody account, in case anyone wasn’t sure it’s a joke.

oh yes, absolutely knew that

my multi-pronged dilemma still stands

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Nojay UK  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:56:17am

re: #284 No Malarkey!

They have learned from Trump.

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It’s infrastructure week. Well, except for Friday prayers.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:56:33am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:57:24am

Oof. A prototype IL-112 light military transport crashed into a wooded area in the Moscow region. Three people were onboard, no word thus far about casualties; naturally, an investigation will be launched.

From this cellphone video, looks like an engine fire that affected the hydraulic lines, causing the pilot to lose control of the plane.

An Il-112 military transport plane crashed in the Moscow region with 3 people on-board

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 8:58:29am

re: #277 No Malarkey!

It’s a parody account, in case anyone wasn’t sure it’s a joke.

By DougJ over at Balloon Juice.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:00:04am

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

What a far cry from ED-209. We’re boned.

[Embedded content]

Your choice: A robot that can parkour or a MAGA neighbor.

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:00:27am

re: #279 No Malarkey!

Governor Beshear is giving a news conference explaining how dire the pandemic is, while these idiots are lying to a legislative committee.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:00:34am
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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:02:35am

re: #290 Belafon

Your choice: A robot that can parkour or a MAGA neighbor.

2 kinds of robot is no choice at all lol.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:02:45am
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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:09:36am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw on the news this morning that the Falcons are 100% vaccinated, the first team to declare that.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:10:42am

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

What a far cry from ED-209. We’re boned.

[Embedded content]

Video

there’s someone in there // (1/2 i hope)

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:10:59am

re: #150 jeffreyw

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Video

Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:11:01am

Our far-right are much like the Taliban, just with a different cherry-picked holy book. They still envy and want to emulate Muslim religious extremists.

The Far Right Is Celebrating the Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan (Vice News)

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:12:55am

re: #287 No Malarkey!

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:13:48am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all true, of course, and exactly what happened.
however, tfg did come this close —->||<—- to actually winning again…
and then what???

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:14:34am

Count Fuckula attacks Biden for abandoning Afghanistan…and of course the Count don’t want them colored folks here!

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Citizen K  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:20:25am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:20:32am

re: #290 Belafon

I have more in common with a robot death machine than a MAGA.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:22:31am

Court hearing devolves into a ‘mess’ as ‘Helmet boy’ Capitol rioter rejects plea deal and proclaims himself ‘general counsel’

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:24:22am

re: #302 Citizen K

Referencing what I didn’t get exactly correct yesterday, neither Nixon nor Ford are associated with Vietnam. Pretty much everyone blames Johnson, and that’s because he thought he could (have our soldiers) fight through to a win.

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Nojay UK  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:26:33am

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

What a far cry from ED-209. We’re boned.

Audio from the B-roll:

<00:02:05>Aw fuck. Okay get the extinguishers and try and put the battery fire out. We’ve got the next one powered up and ready? Right…

<00:02:35>Okay, let’s go again. Quick check, no scorch marks left on the floor, all the loose bits have been swept up, Roombas out of scene. Take 13, speed and… action!

As Napoleon famously once said, there are lies, damned lies and rigged demos.

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Citizen K  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:26:45am

re: #305 Belafon

Referencing what I didn’t get exactly correct yesterday, neither Nixon nor Ford are associated with Vietnam. Pretty much everyone blames Johnson, and that’s because he thought he could (have our soldiers) fight through to a win.

Keep in mind though, Fox News and entire media ecosystem influenced and infiltrated by Fox News thinking and talk radio narratives didn’t exist back in Vietnam.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:27:38am

re: #305 Belafon

Referencing what I didn’t get exactly correct yesterday, neither Nixon nor Ford are associated the Vietnam. Pretty much everyone blames Johnson, and that’s because he thought he could (have our soldiers) fight through to a win.

From what I understand, Johnson did not want Vietnam, but that was the price he had to pay to get his Great Society programs funded.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:30:46am

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:36:29am

re: #306 Nojay UK

I’d love to see an outtake reel, personally.

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Jay C  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:38:49am

re: #305 Belafon

Referencing what I didn’t get exactly correct yesterday, neither Nixon nor Ford are associated with Vietnam. Pretty much everyone blames Johnson, and that’s because he thought he could (have our soldiers) fight through to a win.

Well, As I recall (being ancient old enough to remember), Ford pretty much escaped much/if any opprobrium over Vietnam (the worst of the war having been wound down by the time he became POTUS) but Nixon certainly did.
Remember, he got elected in 1968 in no small part because of his “secret plan” to end the war - the “strategy” which became formalized as “Vietnamization” - however, the level of combat didn’t fall off for another couple of years (Cambodia and all that); and, at the time, old Tricky Dick got plenty of well-deserved blame. Though he was savvy enough to realize that if he wanted to be re-elected, the war had better be quiescent by Election Day - which it was.
Though as for LBJ, agree totally.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:39:28am

re: #302 Citizen K

fairly or not, obama is associated with katrina
fairly or not, bill clinton is associated with 9/11

meanwhile, TFG takes no responsibility for the things he actually did in his 4 years in office

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:41:08am

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:41:33am

GOP fighting the Taliban

Cat fighting with mirror

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:41:44am

Rural parents know the big city virus can’t cross the city limit.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:42:24am

re: #43 JOE 🥓

Change the recall law!! Ridiculous.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:43:40am

re: #306 Nojay UK

Audio from the B-roll:

<00:02:05>Aw fuck. Okay get the extinguishers and try and put the battery fire out. We’ve got the next one powered up and ready? Right…

<00:02:35>Okay, let’s go again. Quick check, no scorch marks left on the floor, all the loose bits have been swept up, Roombas out of scene. Take 13, speed and… action!

As Napoleon famously once said, there are lies, damned lies and rigged demos.

mrsdm and i tried to change the front tires on our lawn tractor
not particularly difficult it appeared, and we had the tools
read a fair number of website instructions
watch a number of youtubes

we finally realized that none of them are done in one take or the first take.
and many of them have been doing this lots of times. for years
they’ve got lots of experience.

we were never gonna get it right the first time, or in 10 minutes
(and we didnt)

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:45:16am

re: #311 Jay C

Well, As I recall (being ancient old enough to remember), Ford pretty much escaped much/if any opprobrium over Vietnam (the worst of the war having been wound down by the time he became POTUS) but Nixon certainly did.
Remember, he got elected in 1968 in no small part because of his “secret plan” to end the war - the “strategy” which became formalized as “Vietnamization” - however, the level of combat didn’t fall off for another couple of years (Cambodia and all that); and, at the time, old Tricky Dick got plenty of well-deserved blame. Though he was savvy enough to realize that if he wanted to be re-elected, the war had better be quiescent by Election Day - which it was.
Though as for LBJ, agree totally.

ford got a pass on a lot because he didnt have to run a campaign for the job and make a bunch of promises he could be measured against

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:45:51am

The Afghans have served their purpose as rhetorical tools…so now they’re back to being a threat and there’s no reason to help or get involved. If they die, they die.

We do this with the homeless. We do this with convicts. We do this with the unemployed. We do this with people living on islands we colonized but never made American. We create rhetorical structures such that there is nothing to be done, they cannot be helped but they also cannot do what is necessary to survive that inconveniences the status quo.

And the people doing it imagine that they can never be in the discard pile.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:49:11am

re: #316 Patricia Kayden

Change the recall law!! Ridiculous.

read this from today’s electoral-vote.com

there is a lawsuit apparently based on this op-ed and it may not be entirely meritless

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:49:37am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:52:45am

Good news. The dumbasses in the Kentucky legislature can’t rescind school mask regulation enacted by the Ky Bd of Ed until next year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:54:07am

re: #322 No Malarkey!

Good news. The dumbasses in the Kentucky legislature can’t rescind school mask regulation enacted by the Ky Bd of Ed until next year.

Point out to them that masks are good for stuffing bullet wounds.

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Jay C  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:56:20am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From what I understand, Johnson did not want Vietnam, but that was the price he had to pay to get the Great Society funded.

Not really.
The US commitment to maintaining the RVN was a longstanding one (actually only since 1954, but in 20th-Century geopolitical terms, that might as well have been Antiquity), and after things started to go to shit there after the coup of 1963, Johnson - at least according to most “public” accounts - was leery of having to do TOO much to prop up the SVN regime, but was pressed by the usual mix of bad motivations to try to solve the VN problem in the typical American manner: throw money at it; and when that didn’t work, send in a few Marine divisions to teach the [epithets] a lesson…
But as for the Great Society: I recall, at the time, the prevalent catchphrase was “guns and butter”: it was taken as a given that an economy the size and scale of the US could readily afford both expansive social programs AND a huge military. Which was true, but had little to do with the quagmire America found itself in in VN.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:57:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:58:02am

re: #324 Jay C

America would have been much better off leading a “slow and smart” war in Vietnam, but few politicians have the patience or motivation to maintain that approach.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:58:44am

re: #325 Charles Johnson

Yes, very little is made of the two trillion that the Afghan War cost us for no tangible results, and how such of that went for bribes, private contractors and no-bid, cost-plus defense contracts…

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 17, 2021 • 9:59:52am

re: #327 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, very little is made of the two trillion that the Afghan War cost us for no tangible results

And that’s $2T that could have been used at home to great effect over the last 20 years. I’m sure the recession years would have looked a lot different if the Afghanistan budget wasn’t there.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:00:37am

Damn it!

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b.d. (Cough Louder Conservatives!)  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:02:07am

re: #325 Charles Johnson

How could we leave Afghanistan!?!? Jake Tapper has another heroic comic book to transcribe!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:05:57am

re: #328 Dopamine Fish

And that’s $2T that could have been used at home to great effect over the last 20 years. I’m sure the recession years would have looked a lot different if the Afghanistan budget wasn’t there.

There still would not have been enough money for the homeless and needy…

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:07:10am

One thing I love about living on the coast. ER to myself… Getting my sore for looked at.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:07:17am

re: #329 Dave In Austin

Damn it!

Aw, that sucks. I love that account. Not Covid I hope.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:07:45am

Again with the inverted image…

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JOE 🥓  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:07:48am

Rachel Maddow again beats OAN’s libel suit — and the pro-Trump outlet has to pay $250K in legal fees

And as a bonus Rachel got to SLAPP the liars at OANN to the tune of $250K

hollywoodreporter.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:07:54am

re: #58 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

There’s something about Biden’s decision that does not sit right with people who even think of themselves as “liberal”.

Remember my tweet to Prof. Stavrakopoulou:

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A couple of Brits took objection to my reply.

Anyway, what has happened is that Afghanistan demonstrates once again that the liberal minded “West” will often fail at imposing some enlightened thinking upon the the masses of the backwards.

In other words, the worldview of many (including atheists like the Professor above) is getting run over by the idea that a group as backwards as the Taliban can win in this world.

If you are fortunate enough to live in a democracy where a majority can actually vote, it is possible to throw out those who are corrupt or tyrannical and change direction. Otherwise, it may be impossible to change a society from within, even if a large portion objects to the policies. The authorities have the power and the weapons and can imprison or execute any who dissent.

A small example from the United States: during Reconstruction (where powers from elsewhere controlled the society), the South began to integrate and provide rights to African Americans. When Reconstruction ended due to the corrupt 1876 election, within a few years those rights were stripped from the black population. It did not mean that the population did not want the freedoms they had enjoyed, but rather that the racists who had ruled the South regained power — and they preserved that absolute power for decades until forces outside the South changed the rules in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Those changes would never have come from within — as we can now see now when the toxic racism from the South has spread elsewhere in our nation because they are no longer constrained by the rules that previously stopped them.

The Afghani women want the freedoms that are being stripped from them — but they don’t have the weaponry and resources to preserve those freedoms. If we hadn’t intervened to help these fanatics in their fight against the Soviets back in the 1980’s, Afghanistan would not be reverting to some medieval theocracy; the Taliban would never have gained such a foothold. Freedom seldom magically appears from within a tyranny or corrupt rule — but only if outsiders intervene to help.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:12:44am

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210815 edition ———————->
“Trellised”
Here’s an index of all the postings in #thegreatpoolpondconversion

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:12:44am

re: #116 Dangerman

and, again, imagine if trump would have won reelection

The Americans would have left without making any effort to save any of those who helped us. The Afghans are not white Nordic Christians — and Stephen Miller would have stopped them from coming here.

Although Chicago has a plethora of Afghan restaurants now, once more Afghanis arrive, we can always accommodate more!

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:13:00am

re: #315 No Malarkey!

Rural parents know the big city virus can’t cross the city limit.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:14:01am

re: #334 darthstar

Again with the inverted image…

I’be found that if you edit an Apple image (e.g., nominal change in size /rotate it 4x) before uploading, whatever is causing images posted here to do wonky things, no longer happens

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Juan Carlos Mescalero  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:17:10am

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Citizen K  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:17:29am

re: #312 Dangerman

fairly or not, obama is associated with katrina
fairly or not, bill clinton is associated with 9/11

meanwhile, TFG takes no responsibility for the things he actually did in his 4 years in office

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The GOP is constantly and simultaneously treated as both having no agency and yet being the only proper rightful default for governance. They never get treated as having responsibility, but are the only ‘reasonable’ alternative when Dems are inevitably blamed for everything.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:18:38am

re: #340 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I’be found that if you edit an Apple image (e.g., nominal change in size /rotate it 4x) before uploading, whatever is causing images posted here to do wonky things, no longer happens

I use an app to downsize images, while keeping the same dimensions. Seems to work.

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plansbandc  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:19:32am

re: #341 nines09

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:20:28am

re: #124 No Malarkey!

There was in fact a deal Trump made with the Taliban that they wouldn’t attack with the understanding that the US was leaving on May 1. If Biden broke (rather than merely delaying) Trump’s deal, he would’ve had to send thousands of US troops back to Afghanistan, and the fighting would’ve resumed, and the GQP would’ve excoriated him for THAT. The only one on the Right being intellectually honest about this is Anne Coulter, who tweeted out that Biden should be thanked for getting us out as Trump promised.

Neocons are also intellectually honest about this — but then they objected to Trump’s dealings with the Taliban anyway.

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gocart mozart  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:21:30am

re: #160 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Original version

Lead Belly Sings “Goodnight Irene”

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:25:36am

re: #327 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, very little is made of the two trillion that the Afghan War cost us for no tangible results, and how such of that went for bribes, private contractors and no-bid, cost-plus defense contracts…

and who was responsible for approving every last of those dollars (sort of)
ie congress - each of them for 20 years

this is not one man’s doing

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:26:06am

re: #315 No Malarkey!

Rural parents know the big city virus can’t cross the city limit?

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Jay C  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:31:04am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

America would have been much better off leading a “slow and smart” war in Vietnam, but few politicians have the patience or motivation to maintain that approach.

Maybe.
But the fundamental “problem” with Vietnam was SO fundamental - i.e. that one country had been artificially* divided, and that there were strong nationalistic forces - armed, violent, and willing to unstintingly use arms and violence - pledged to fight to reunite it.
Yes, maybe a “slow and smart” approach might have worked to minimize American costs/casualties, but the bottom-line aim (the maintenance of a non-Communist “pro-Western” regime in the southern half of Vietnam) would still have been in jeopardy, absent a number of other factors which were still extant.

* note: this is not to denigrate or disparage the motivations of the Vietnamese who decided that they did not want to live under a Communist regime - or, necessarily, an aspersion on the alternate regime (SVN) they established/had established for them. The big historical question about Vietnam is why that alternate regime never proved particularly viable: a question that is rarely raised in American discourse, anyway…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:31:04am
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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:33:05am

re: #320 Dangerman

read this from today’s electoral-vote.com

there is a lawsuit apparently based on this op-ed and it may not be entirely meritless

All the court would need to do is require that the successor receive more votes than the “retain” votes, or Newsom stays.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:33:34am

X-ray taken. just have to wait for them to burn a CD for me. I got here 40 minutes ago. If I went over the hill I would be there for two hours before talking to a nurse

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:35:22am

re: #352 darthstar

X-ray taken. just have to wait for them to burn a CD for me. I got here 40 minutes ago. If I went over the hill I would be there for two hours before talking to a nurse

You’re lucky. Many ERs are fucked to hell and back right now.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:36:21am

re: #352 darthstar

X-ray taken. just have to wait for them to burn a CD for me. I got here 40 minutes ago. If I went over the hill I would be there for two hours before talking to a nurse

yeah, sometimes you have to work up the courage to talk to a nurse //

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:36:27am

History thread:

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:39:04am

I’m guessing plea deals for violent insurrectionists are including significant prison time.

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A Cranky One  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:40:23am

re: #246 Dr Lizardo

Trailer for Star Wars: Visions dropped.

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The Jar Jar Destroyer …

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:40:50am

Google fails on this one. Those of us here that are Muslim or at least well studied maybe would help me out?

There is a Taliban govt. quote. “the rights of women will be protected within the framework of Islam.” Let’s say for a moment this is genuine. (I know but still). With the admission Christianity is not as simple as what Jesus said, Islam covers a lot of ground. All that having been said, what does the above quote mean? Work? School? Angry dishonest or cheating husband? Arranged marriage? Female genital mutilation?

I keep coming up with this means almost no rights at all but I’m far from expert and unbiased.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:41:13am

Mrsdm:

The new York times… THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!! uses the non word millenniums. Even spellcheck knows better!!! I am disgusted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:43:31am
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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:45:42am

re: #356 No Malarkey!

I’m guessing plea deals for violent insurrectionists are including significant prison time.

I want them to get long prison time. Too many wrist slaps already.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:45:47am

morons

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:46:29am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks occupied to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:48:09am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:51:05am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Point out to them that masks are good for stuffing bullet wounds.

The committee held the school mask mandate regulation “deficient” by a party line 5-2 vote. It means little, since it now goes to Governor Beshear, who supports it. Dog help us if a deadly vaccine resistant variant appears next year, because the Kentucky legislature will probably pass a law prohibiting public health measures in the 2022 legislative session.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:52:46am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:54:25am

re: #357 A Cranky One

[Embedded content]

The Jar Jar Destroyer …

LOL.

Remember that fan theory about “Darth Jar Jar”? Someone did some fanart of Jar Jar as a Sith Lord, and it’s pretty terrifying.

That actually could’ve been pretty interesting.

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Dangerman  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:54:46am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

morons

for stupid statements like this, i’d want to see examples - how do you know this?
and lots of them (you said ‘kids’) not ‘one kid did’

as for carroll’s statement - again, prove it.

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piratedan  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:55:50am

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

it seems to me that the Biden Administration accepted what the TFG did as a fait accompli. All he did was try and enact it in such a fashion as to extricate all of the people of Afghanistan who worked with us as partners (at least in the Military) and as soon as that reality was understood, the panic set in because no one ever leaves a burning building in an orderly fashion… but now that additional US forces have arrived, people are being led away from the scene in an orderly fashion (no breathless reports of panic today).

I suspect that there were zero possibility of the same happening with the TFG since he shut down all immigration from anywhere that wasn’t solidly European in nature.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:55:53am

re: #367 Dr Lizardo

LOL.

Remember that fan theory about “Darth Jar Jar”? Someone did some fanart of Jar Jar as a Sith Lord, and it’s pretty terrifying.

[Embedded content]

That actually could’ve been pretty interesting.

With perfect Edwardian English…..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2021 • 10:58:08am

re: #367 Dr Lizardo

LOL.

Remember that fan theory about “Darth Jar Jar”? Someone did some fanart of Jar Jar as a Sith Lord, and it’s pretty terrifying.

[Embedded content]

That actually could’ve been pretty interesting.

“Meesa bringing the pain! Yousa gonna die quick, okay?”

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:00:29am

re: #368 Dangerman

for stupid statements like this, i’d want to see examples - how do you know this?
and lots of them (you said ‘kids’) not ‘one kid did’

as for carroll’s statement - again, prove it.

The committee also ruled the child care mask mandate deficient, sending it to Governor Beshear, who supports it. If anti-vaxxer Matt Bevin was still governor, I’d be lucky to still be alive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:01:16am

heh

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:01:50am

re: #349 Jay C

Maybe.
But the fundamental “problem” with Vietnam was SO fundamental - i.e. that one country had been artificially* divided, and that there were strong nationalistic forces - armed, violent, and willing to unstintingly use arms and violence - pledged to fight to reunite it.
Yes, maybe a “slow and smart” approach might have worked to minimize American costs/casualties, but the bottom-line aim (the maintenance of a non-Communist “pro-Western” regime in the southern half of Vietnam) would still have been in jeopardy, absent a number of other factors which were still extant.

* note: this is not to denigrate or disparage the motivations of the Vietnamese who decided that they did not want to live under a Communist regime - or, necessarily, an aspersion on the alternate regime (SVN) they established/had established for them. The big historical question about Vietnam is why that alternate regime never proved particularly viable: a question that is rarely raised in American discourse, anyway…..

I addressed this briefly in my page South Vietnam, Nguyen Cao Ky and the War

A lot of people seem to want the South Vietnamese in particular erased from history. I met an alleged expert on the war, a prissy doctoral student from New Mexico, who did not know what “Republic of Vietnam” meant. He thought the South Vietnamese, of whom he had heard a little, were locals we hired to help out our forces, and that the communists were just “Vietnam.”
A speech professor at North Texas would tell his students that “the US invaded Vietnam to overthrow its communist government and wound up being driven out.”
In fact, the Republic of Vietnam, South Vietnam, was the center of the war, geographically as well as politically.
Conversely, I have always thought that South Vietnam should have been able to defend itself without American troops. It was both more populous and wealthier than the north. That it could not is the central fact of the war, the elephant in the living room that one administration and military command after another chose to ignore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:03:35am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:04:57am

re: #370 Dave In Austin

re: #371 Eclectic Cyborg

Would’ve had to find a good voice actor for a Darth Jar Jar - that whole “Meesa whatever” schtick would have to have been explained away as a disarming rouse. Someone along the lines of Ian McDiarmid or Christopher Lee, a Shakespearean actor.

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piratedan  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:08:04am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

I look forward to a SCOTUS Justice informing us that the right to cast a ballot is somehow not an intrinsic right of every US Citizen.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:10:19am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

It will die in the Senate.

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sagehen  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:10:42am

re: #355 The Pie Overlord!

History thread:

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It’s one of the reasons I’ll never entirely forgive, or trust, Al Sharpton.

(was it worse than the Tawana Brawley chapter? I dunno. But it was definitely more personal to me)

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piratedan  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:15:12am

re: #378 No Malarkey!

I am actually hopeful that it will pass…. I think that Manchin and Sinema have generated enough self-serving attention unto themselves and have in fact help to out GOP hypocrisy for what it is that they will allow Schumer to carve out a caveat for this to not need a 60 vote threshold (just like Mitchy did for his justices to stick on the bench).

I could be wrong, stunningly so, but I think people are just fucking tired of the games and are ready to stop playing Calvinball with the GOP.

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sagehen  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:17:33am

re: #358 Rightwingconspirator

Google fails on this one. Those of us here that are Muslim or at least well studied maybe would help me out?

There is a Taliban govt. quote. “the rights of women will be protected within the framework of Islam.” Let’s say for a moment this is genuine. (I know but still). With the admission Christianity is not as simple as what Jesus said, Islam covers a lot of ground. All that having been said, what does the above quote mean?

It kind of depends which Ayatollah/Mullah/whatevs a particular group is listening to.

Franklin Graham, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, the Pope, Rev Barber, Jimmy Carter, Slacktivist, all sincerely believe themselves to be Christian. All sincerely attempt to live their lives by what they think that means. And yet.

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Teukka  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:19:57am

re: #367 Dr Lizardo

LOL.

Remember that fan theory about “Darth Jar Jar”? Someone did some fanart of Jar Jar as a Sith Lord, and it’s pretty terrifying.

[Embedded content]

That actually could’ve been pretty interesting.

Isn’t there some legend that Jar Jar actually was Darth Plagueis the Wise?

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 17, 2021 • 11:22:36am

re: #320 Dangerman

read this from today’s electoral-vote.com

there is a lawsuit apparently based on this op-ed and it may not be entirely meritless

How can it not be meritless? The recall as constituted has been part of the California Constitution since 1911. It’s unwise, undemocratic, and ridiculous. But it’s definitely not unconstitutional (IANAL).

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 17, 2021 • 3:48:39pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Let’s lump in Indonesia. Close enough I guess.

And Malaysia as well.


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