Taliban leaders are trying to convince the Afghan public that they have nothing to fear from the group known for reprisal killings and subjugation of women. #Colbert #Comedy #Monologue
They’re as trustworthy as Republicans who say that they want secure elections.
LMFAO. Of course the Taliban thinks they can make this idea stick. They just witnessed Americans believing in windmill noise cancer, HCQ as a COVID cure, and Donald Trump as smarter than all the Generals.
re: #3 Rightwingconspirator
LMFAO. Of course the Taliban thinks they can make this idea stick. They just witnessed Americans believing in windmill noise cancer, HCQ as a COVID cure, and Donald Trump as smarter than all the Generals.
They even adopted Republican talking points about tech companies like Facebook.
They have nothing to lose by coming across as “moderate”.
Predictably, the RNWJs are all like: “Hahahaha, the CDC is requiring more shots, the vaccines don’t work, Libtard!”
re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
They have nothing to lose by coming across as “moderate”.
And would find themselves a bit left of the GOP in a political measure.
re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg
Predictably, the RNWJs are all like: “Hahahaha, the CDC is requiring more shots, the vaccines don’t work, Libtard!”
“It’s not left-wing broadcasters and preachers that are dying from the virus.”
re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
They have nothing to lose by coming across as “moderate”.
Let’s hope they retain this facade for long enough to allow us to evacuate all who worked for us and their families.
re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter
Let’s hope they retain this facade for long enough to allow us to evacuate all who worked for us and their families.
I think they would rather have those people out of their hair.
re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg
Predictably, the RNWJs are all like: “Hahahaha, the CDC is requiring more shots, the vaccines don’t work, Libtard!”
Don’t expect them to understand how Evolution works…
In today’s episode of the Crackhead Mike follies!
Will Crackhead do a Doofy Dan Patrick and stiff on the $5 million payout?
Mike Lindell scrambles after cyber expert’s attorney demands $5 million payout for election challenge
The Security Institute’s Bill Alderson told KSFY that he had attended Lindell’s so-called “cyber symposium” earlier this month and determined that the data was not from the 2020 election.
“Every time a packet is collected the date is in it. Every single one,” Alderson said. “With all of my exhibits, proving what my belief was about the packets and why they were not packets and why they did not contain IP headers, why they did not contain Ethernet addresses, why they did not contain congruent, you know, request-response packets, while they were not in P-PCAP format, and they didn’t contain any dating or anything of that nature.”
Lindell was asked about Alderson’s analysis during a Wednesday appearance on Real America’s Voice with host Steve Bannon.
re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter
Let’s hope they retain this facade for long enough to allow us to evacuate all who worked for us and their families.
They have reason to. The world is watching for now and should they engage our troops they will feel the hammer.
re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I think they would rather have those people out of their hair.
They could also kill them to get rid of them. Let’s hope they keep with the non-violent approach to freeing themselves of those who were allied with us.
re: #14 Teukka
*gulps* I sure hope this is a ‘shop or some edgelord…
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Gee! I haven’t seen any research that virus particles get drunk…
re: #15 Hecuba’s daughter
They could also kill them to get rid of them. Let’s hope they keep with the non-violent approach to freeing themselves of those who were allied with us.
Killing them would be bad PR. The Taliban want to make the USA and the west look like fools for painting them as such extremists (and again, when you look at their policies, they are not that far removed from the US and European Right)
We have been fighting the Taliban for 20 years, I can imagine that a new generation has come up through the ranks that understands how to use modern media and messaging, which is especially effective with a gullible, poorly-educated, ideologically slanted audience…
An inability to do everything is always a Republicans excuse to do nothing. https://t.co/kTQBzXys8U
— Nunca Trumpismo (@NeverTrumpTexan) August 18, 2021
So the man the US was counting on to lead Afghanistan fled with $169 million in cash, according to the BBC. As a taxpayer, I’d like that money Ashraf Ghani took returned.
— Steven Beschloss (@StevenBeschloss) August 18, 2021
re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Killing them would be bad PR. The Taliban want to make the USA and the west look like fools for painting them as such extremists (and again, when you look at their policies, they are not that far removed from the US and European Right)
Don’t think the Taliban cares much about PR. We are already getting stories of beatings in the street and apparently firing into protest crowds as a means of crowd control.
re: #19 jaunte
So the man the US was counting on to lead Afghanistan fled with $169 million in cash, according to the BBC. As a taxpayer, I’d like that money Ashraf Ghani took returned.
…and that is how much he managed to take with him. Imagine how much he had to pay in bribes to secure a safe flight into exile.
re: #20 danarchy
Don’t think the Taliban cares much about PR. We are already getting stories of beatings in the street and apparently firing into protest crowds as a means of crowd control.
They do, but they know the only thing they have to care about is how Afghanistan affects other countries.
re: #20 danarchy
Don’t think the Taliban cares much about PR. We are already getting stories of beatings in the street and apparently firing into protest crowds as a means of crowd control.
Sounds like any major US city last summer (just not the Capitol in January)
re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Sounds like any major US city last summer (just not the Capitol in January)
Really, aside from the capitol when was live ammunition used at any protest?
re: #24 danarchy
Really, aside from the capitol when was live ammunition used at any protest?
How many bullets do US police fire in the course of a typical year?
re: #20 danarchy
Don’t think the Taliban cares much about PR. We are already getting stories of beatings in the street and apparently firing into protest crowds as a means of crowd control.
I’d apply the 48 hour rule to any stories coming out of Afghanistan.
re: #26 JC1
I’d apply the 48 hour rule to any stories coming out of Afghanistan.
I still believe it is in the Taliban’s interest to get everyone out relatively peacefully and orderly while presenting themselves as New and Moderate before they start showing their true colors.
re: #15 Hecuba’s daughter
They could also kill them to get rid of them. Let’s hope they keep with the non-violent approach to freeing themselves of those who were allied with us.
There’s also some women’s groups chartering planes hoping to get the women Doctors, Lawyers, Legislators, Professors, top students, etc.
NYT, WaPo & WSJ (combined and working together) are also asking the admin to prioritize getting their local reporters (and reporters’ families) who’ve done so much to help them get coverage over the years.
David Rohde in particular is apoplectic (he’s now with the New Yorker, but he was NYT when the Taliban captured him and held him hostage for 7 months) about wanting to evac his Afghan reporting partner who saved his life and helped him escape that captivity.
re: #20 danarchy
Don’t think the Taliban cares much about PR. We are already getting stories of beatings in the street and apparently firing into protest crowds as a means of crowd control.
I’m old enough to remember Kent State. I was a graduate student traveling from Chicago to North Carolina with 3 fellow students (from the UK, Taiwan, and Israel) for a seminar. We wore black armbands during the meetings to mourn the loss of life.
A friend’s nephew just died of Covid. Another victim of anti-vaxxer lies.
re: #19 jaunte
Wow…$169 million…that’s like half of the current Powerball jackpot…and it’s all tax-free!
re: #24 danarchy
Kent State? Before that, quite a few labour disputes, up to and including the aerial bombing of strikers by the Pinkertons in places like West Virginia. The Bonus Army in the 1930s was met by tanks outside Washington D.C.
In Baghdad, about a week after it was liberated there was a protest march by the citizens, US troops opened fire and killed a bunch of people. The Iraqis held a second march later to protest about the deaths, more random sustained gunfire by the US troops. No more protest marches, then the IEDs started to go off. Funny that.
War criminal Chris Kyle’s widow of course has something to say about Biden:
Taya Kyle blasts Biden’s Afghanistan ‘atrocity’: Who would want to partner with us after this?https://t.co/RZxT0icn1D
— Fox News (@FoxNews) August 18, 2021
re: #30 No Malarkey!
A friend’s nephew just died of Covid. Another victim of anti-vaxxer lies.
I am afraid that I will lose count of the number of folks I know who have crossed the rainbow bridge from this. Sending a hug…
re: #22 Belafon
They do, but they know the only thing they have to care about is how Afghanistan affects other countries.
They also need to not immediately piss us off enough to lob missiles at their shiny new palace and Baghram. And the planes and tanks we left behind that are theirs now.
re: #33 electrotek
War criminal Chris Kyle’s widow of course has something to say about Biden:
She looked a lot hotter in the movie…
re: #33 electrotek
War criminal Chris Kyle’s widow of course has something to say about Biden:
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She won’t be the last.
Fox is going to endlessly Benghazi Joe on this.
re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Killing them would be bad PR. They want to make the USA and the west look like fools for painting them as such extremists (and again, when you look at their policies, they are not that far removed from the US and European Right)
It’s a bit complicated here.
1. They’d like to minimize their bad PR so that they don’t get sanctioned up the wazoo by the West, especially the US Dollar financial system. Being sanctioned by the US dollar financial system can seriously screw you over, world wide*.
2. They’d also like to minimize their bad PR so that they can do business with the least scrupulous of the Western multinationals who can weather boycotts/bad PR. And unlike Saudi Arabia, they can’t just buy PR as easily.
3. The Central Bank of Afghanistan has some reserves overseas. Even though their physical cash got dumped into some suitcases by Ashraf Ghani when fleeing — he had to leave some suitcases when fleeing, they still had more in overseas financial assets and gold reserves — several billion dollars worth. They won’t have access to it unless they get recognized, or court cases order them to get access. (See also the case of the Maduro government of Venezuela’s non recognition making it hard to get access to their international reserves.)
However,
4. There are a number of unscrupulous countries hostile to the West willing to cut deals. E.g, Russia and China. As long as the Taliban say don’t support Russian Islamists or the Uighur’s, or kill Russians/Chinese they’ll be happy and even willing to cut deals that go outside the US dollar system through their independent financial networks.
5. There are countries less hostile to the West (Pakistan and the UAE) which recognized the Taliban before and are would be willing to deal with them through physical cash/barter transactions.
Note, I’m not mentioning Iran, because they loathed the Taliban regime, and ISTR at the time they had basically told America if any American military operations against the Taliban had problems they could land in Iran.
*Ask Carrie Lam, Chief Executive of Hong Kong. She’s being paid her salary in cash, because due to US sanctions against her, any bank in Hong Kong that has her as a customer risks being shutoff from the US dollar financial system.
re: #30 No Malarkey!
I am very sorry to hear that. Unfortunately I believe we will be hearing of a lot more deaths in the coming months.
re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
She looked a lot hotter in the movie…
Wouldn’t it be great to actually look like the movie star who would be cast as us?
re: #37 JOE 🥓
She won’t be the last.
Fox is going to endlessly Benghazi Joe on this.
Even though not a single American died from this.
re: #40 No Malarkey!
Wouldn’t it be great to actually look like the movie star who would be cast as us?
I’m sure Mrs. Fish would love for me to have this.
— Rekcluse (@Rekcluse) August 18, 2021
“An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror”
By David Frum and Richard Perle
2003 https://t.co/ErqG8hQn3h pic.twitter.com/bn4TsqQcTp— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) August 16, 2021
David Frum will never ever concede that he didn’t know what he was talking about.
re: #40 No Malarkey!
Wouldn’t it be great to actually look like the movie star who would be cast as us?
Except maybe Angela Basset, who was hot but not as hot as Tina Turner.
re: #32 Nojay UK
Kent State? Before that, quite a few labour disputes, up to and including the aerial bombing of strikers by the Pinkertons in places like West Virginia. The Bonus Army in the 1930s was met by tanks outside Washington D.C.
In Baghdad, about a week after it was liberated there was a protest march by the citizens, US troops opened fire and killed a bunch of people. The Iraqis held a second march later to protest about the deaths, more random sustained gunfire by the US troops. No more protest marches, then the IEDs started to go off. Funny that.
And of course, war crimes (CONVICTED and SENTENCED) by random soldiers and contractors who Trump pardoned.
re: #31 JOE 🥓
Wow…$169 million…that’s like half of the current Powerball jackpot…and it’s all tax-free!
That’s a LOT of space in suitcases if it’s cash, even 100 bills. More manageable if 500 euro or 1k swiss francs.
re: #40 No Malarkey!
Wouldn’t it be great to actually look like the movie star who would be cast as us?
Nicolle Wallace is as attractive as the actress who played her in Game Change.
How interesting to see the Never-Trump Republicans all jumping on the Bash Biden Bandwagon. Totally unexpected! (jk)
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 18, 2021
re: #50 Charles Johnson
As we all said back when we were focusing on voting Trump out:
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more, no less.
An anti-vaxx coworker sent me an unsolicited email a few days ago asking me questions about the vaccines (because he knew I was vaccinated).
He’s getting his first Pfizer shot tomorrow.
In Which Jim Transcribes A Trump Speech In A Twitter Thread
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“Worse than Afghanistan! Where, by the way, I started the process. All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. Twenty-one years is enough, don’t we think … twenty-one years. They couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but …
1/— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) August 18, 2021
re: #41 electrotek
Even though not a single American died from this.
If the Afghan National Army and the local police had actually ‘stood up’ and fought the Taliban tooth and nail for weeks or months then it’s almost certain some US citizens and the citizens of other Western nations would have died in the fighting or been taken hostage for ransom or prisoner swaps or whatever.
I think the end result would have been the same, like the Germans who fought to the end against the Soviets in Berlin resulting in lots of dead bodies and rubble and a lot of ill-will on the side of the victors. I’m no military genius though, my best alternative scenario is that the ANA would end up defending a few enclaves here and there and eventually the US would dispatch ten thousand military ‘advisors’ to help them out just temporarily you understand, force the Taliban to the negotiating table etc. Afghanistan same old same old.
re: #41 electrotek
Even though not a single American died from this.
Please remember all the soldiers from all nations who participated who died or were wounded.
Right after the election, which TFG KNEW THAT HE LOST, everything he did from that point on was for one purpose: HOW MUCH CAN HE SCREW OVER JOE BIDEN.
re: #38 aatharuv
It’s a bit complicated here.
Note, I’m not mentioning Iran, because they loathed the Taliban regime, and ISTR at the time they had basically told America if any American military operations against the Taliban had problems they could land in Iran.
Iran took in more than a million Afghan refugees, before Taliban was able to close the borders from their side.
Absent persuasive evidence to the contrary, I believe killing Soleimani was part of the same ask-package when Putin told Trump to get the Talis out of prison.
re: #20 danarchy
Don’t think the Taliban cares much about PR. We are already getting stories of beatings in the street and apparently firing into protest crowds as a means of crowd control.
Taliban Charm
Vogon Poetry
re: #45 The Ghost of a Flea
David Frum will never ever concede that he didn’t know what he was talking about.
For him to admit error would mean he’d have to start shouldering the atrocities in Iraq and elsewhere from 2003 on, and any honorable man would fall on their sword. The men who made the ‘03 Iraq War happen are not honorable.
re: #44 electrotek
But of course she had no issue with Trump throwing the Kurds under the bus.
re: #57 sagehen
Iran took in more than a million Afghan refugees, before Taliban was able to close the borders from their side.
Absent persuasive evidence to the contrary, I believe killing Soleimani was part of the same ask-package when Putin told Trump to get the Talis out of prison.
If Iran went ahead with the invasion in 1998 after their diplomats were murdered in Mazar-i-Sharif, is it safe to say that the Taliban would have been wiped out?
re: #55 JOE 🥓
Please remember all the soldiers from all nations who participated who died or were wounded.
True.
re: #61 electrotek
If Iran went ahead with the invasion in 1998 after their diplomats were murdered in Mazar-i-Sharif, is it safe to say that the Taliban would have been wiped out?
Doubtful. Would have just gotten Iran into the quagmire as well.
re: #53 The Pie Overlord!
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It’s been 20 years, not 21, but you do you.
re: #47 sagehen
And of course, war crimes (CONVICTED and SENTENCED) by random soldiers and contractors who Trump pardoned.
From the people I knew serving in Iraq, PMCs running caravans (often carrying cash) routinely used live ammo on Iraqis and more than once nearly killed a US soldier…just firing randomly at nearby people as a deterrent.
re: #37 JOE 🥓
She won’t be the last.
Fox is going to endlessly Benghazi Joe on this.
they are trying to
from today’s electoral-vote.com re: fox and the right and how they can hold two opposing ideas at the same time
— against Biden for his Afghanistan mismanagement in the past couple of days
—against the possibility of a bunch of Afghan refugees arriving on American shores
And that’s the real proof of concept we were thinking of when we wrote the headline to this item. The right-wing pundits, and their politician guests, are arguing in bad faith, as they nearly always do. They don’t care one whit about Afghanistan or the Afghan people; they are just using the Afghans to “own the libs.” It’s the same with every other culture-wars-subject-of-the-week, whether it’s critical race theory, or trans high school athletes, or the name by which Mr. Potato Head is known. It’s hypocritical to condemn Joe Biden’s wind-down of the war, and at the same time to begin rallying the troops to oppose his solution—the only possible solution—to the mess that has been created. This is a big part of our skepticism that this will hurt Biden, long-term. The people who are loudest and angriest aren’t going to vote for him or for Democratic candidates anyhow, and are just using Afghanistan as a convenient bugaboo to drive the base and the viewers into a tizzy.
re: #64 The Pie Overlord!
It’s been 20 years, not 21, but you do you.
20 years = 40 Friedman Units!
Per Atrios 1 FU = 6 months.
Who else remembers Tom Friedman endlessly writing in the Times that we need “Six more months”? over and over again…
re: #63 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Doubtful. Would have just gotten Iran into the quagmire as well.
Yep. The Afghans are Sunni — Taliban and non-Taliban. They might have united against a foreign Shia invader.
‘It’s common sense’: Bishop Stowe explains why he’s mandating vaccines for all employees in his diocese
americamagazine.org
“We have to be promoting the common good, and this is the one of the ways that we do it,” Bishop Stowe said in an interview with America on Aug. 17. “And the individual reasons for not accepting [vaccinations]—the conspiracy theories and all the other stuff that keeps people from getting the vaccine and even the confusion that’s been put forth by many Catholic sources—is just not a good enough reason to not accept the vaccine for the common good.”
Lexington Ky diocese.
re: #66 Dangerman
they are trying to
from today’s electoral-vote.com re: fox and the right and how they can hold two opposing ideas at the same time— against Biden for his Afghanistan mismanagement in the past couple of days
—against the possibility of a bunch of Afghan refugees arriving on American shores
The never-Trumpers who most object to the Biden handling are not hypocrites on this issue: they really do want America to stay in Afghanistan for 50 years if needed. They are firm believers in nation building.
re: #66 Dangerman
they are trying to
from today’s electoral-vote.com re: fox and the right and how they can hold two opposing ideas at the same time— against Biden for his Afghanistan mismanagement in the past couple of days
—against the possibility of a bunch of Afghan refugees arriving on American shores
According to our American media in general, the human experience is defined as the older white male Republican and (lately Trump voter) sitting at the lunch counter in Ohio. This is demonstrated over and over again in real life coverage and interviews starring the exact same demographic over and over as a default point of view.
It is highly likely that any story allowed to gain traction always plays into the lowest common denominator of how this particular demographic interprets and is affected by it. No other demographic gets a say, except to serve as a punching bag or a lesson on how marginal and “radical” any opposing sides to the story are compared to the “Right thinking” default position.
re: #68 Hecuba’s daughter
Yep. The Afghans are Sunni — Taliban and non-Taliban. They might have united against a foreign Shia invader.
Third largest ethnic group in Afghanistan are the Hazara, many of whom are Twelver or Ismaili.
Well off to the auto parts store to buy ANOTHER pack of ring connectors to replace the pack that went missing (for now*). Back in a bit.
* The damn thing will show back up in a couple of day. I just know it. :-\
re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg
That is…rather surprising.
Hope we see more of this soon.
Put one superannuated Cardinal on a ventilator, and the dawn breaks.
re: #33 electrotek
War criminal Chris Kyle’s widow of course has something to say about Biden:
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And to her I would say, “Certainly not the Kurds”
The World Health Organization has condemned the rush by wealthy countries to provide Covid-19 vaccine booster shots while millions of people around the world have yet to receive a single dose.Speaking before US authorities announced all vaccinated Americans would soon be eligible to receive booster doses, WHO experts insisted there was not enough scientific evidence to support the additional shot.
Providing them while so many people were still waiting to be immunised was immoral, they argued.
“We’re planning to hand out extra lifejackets to people who already have lifejackets, while we’re leaving other people to drown without a single lifejacket,” said Dr Mike Ryan, the director of the WHO’s health emergency programme.
“The fundamental, ethical reality is we’re handing out second lifejackets while leaving millions and millions of people without anything to protect them.”
Why was he “just sitting there”? I assume that he is not a quadriplegic.
Whew. Heterosexuality was a mistake. pic.twitter.com/VCO4EL857M
— chris evans (@chris_notcapn) August 18, 2021
So if you saw Trump interviewed on Hannity last night - I fixed it.@JohnCleese pic.twitter.com/E2vwXlHzdk
— Paul Lee Teeks (@PaulLeeTeeks) August 18, 2021
It’s the brain worms. https://t.co/ME2GJFB8oV
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 18, 2021
The dreaded Exploding Heart Tangerine Poke maneuver! He’s lucky he survived. https://t.co/g3q0gP4yO9
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 18, 2021
re: #77 Dr Lizardo
I get this argument…BUT right now the U.S. has a ton of vaccines that are going to waste that can’t easily be shipped to other countries. Does it not make sense to put them to use if possible?
re: #75 Decatur Deb
Put one superannuated Cardinal on a ventilator, and the dawn breaks.
There are more than a few folks in the Madison Diocese that are hoping he wakes up in hell.
Could Josh Mandel be any more repulsive? (rhetorical question)
Ohio Republican Senate Josh Mandel on Wednesday called for increased gun ownership as a response to the “tyranny” of mask mandates.
re: #84 BeachDem
Could Josh Mandel be any more repulsive? (rhetorical question)
Ohio Republican Senate Josh Mandel on Wednesday called for increased gun ownership as a response to the “tyranny” of mask mandates.
They want to shoot us because we’re trying to keep people safe. I fucking hate this place.
re: #84 BeachDem
This shit is inciting violence. At the very least.
Congress needs to be held to a higher standard than this. There should be something that can be done to discourage and discipline these shitmuffins.
In his first statement since fleeing, President Ashraf Ghani said he had left Afghanistan to avoid a lynching by the Taliban. “If I had stayed in Afghanistan,” he said, “the people of Afghanistan would have witnessed the president hanged once more.” https://t.co/edAmtPa064
— The New York Times (@nytimes) August 18, 2021
re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg
I get this argument…BUT right now the U.S. has a ton of vaccines that are going to waste that can’t easily be shipped to other countries. Does it not make sense to put them to use if possible?
I know. A good argument can be made that it’s far more of a priority to get first doses in arms in the third world than third doses in the first world. Sadly, it means potentially millions dead in the developing world, while the US and the EU do little, if anything. Personally, I want to see the US and the EU ramp up production massively and give away hundreds of billions of dollars worth of vaccines, completely free of charge, to the developing world ASAP and get those folks vaccinated lickety-split. Either that, or ditch the patent stuff (I’m looking at you, European Union).
re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg
I get this argument…BUT right now the U.S. has a ton of vaccines that are going to waste that can’t easily be shipped to other countries. Does it not make sense to put them to use if possible?
I’m pretty sure the wealthiest country in the world could easily figure out how to deal with that situation.
65 year old retired co-worker who had the Pfizer vaccine in March was recently hospitalized for Covid in upstate NY. He thinks he got it while stopping to get gas and a coffee (since he is retired). Luckily the rest of his family do not have symptoms, he was the one that brought it home. Be safe and keep washing your hands.
re: #63 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Doubtful. Would have just gotten Iran into the quagmire as well.
I know Iran backed off since Pakistan just performed nuclear tests a few months prior, but there was a lot of public support in Iran to take action against the Taliban for killing Iranian diplomats.
And it would have also spurred newfound Iranian nationalism.
Talk about being misinformed:
President Biden opposed an extended US military presence in Afg in part because he believed the US public wouldn’t support it.
And yet now he’s withdrawing, and he’s getting slammed by the US public for how the withdrawal played out. There may be domestic political costs for him.— Michael Kugelman (@MichaelKugelman) August 16, 2021
re: #93 electrotek
Talk about being misinformed:
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re: #76 Eventual Carrion
And to her I would say, “Certainly not the Kurds”
This is the newly-forming American version of how the British think they were doing all those people they took over a favor.
Actually acknowledging that we’ve always been shitty allies to good faith actors…and that we’ve routinely sided with the worst fucking oligarchs in whatever country we’ve slid into…and that we’re regularly rolled by those same oligarchs to the tune of billions of dollars disappearing down holes…is just not a place a lot of Americans are willing to go yet.
Look at the British and the French.
The French sometimes admit they fucked up—sorry about testing nukes on your islands, people of the Pacific—but they’re still fucking furious about North Africa and those descendants of low income workers from those regions that live in France and want to be treated as French people, not staff. LePen and Front Nationale has a foothold for a reason—a big chunk of the country has been trained to think of themselves as victimized, but victimized by the process of losing colonies and not being allowed to treat brown colonized subjects and foreigners as chattel labor with no rights.
England has just continuously denied it’s a dried up turd. The mythology of Churchill and the Blitz and the stiff upper lip was being invented at the same time they were building concentration camps for Kikuyu. After they started losing larger and larger chunks of empire all that aggression was deflected onto shit like the Falklands and Northern Ireland…but also despising all the people of the dole as letting down the side, but also on kids who were raised to constantly give deference to the war generation’s stoicism even as the war generation made their lives worse. [Which is basically the sociological backdrop of Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”—the myth of the war and what the war meant ultimately consumed the children the war was supposed to protect, and both the fascist resurgence and Thatcherian policy declared those kids unworthy of life] With BoJo and Brexit they’re back on their empire shit, furiously angry at the Eastern European cheap laborers that shouldn’t be in the country, but incurious about the process by which the labor market got so bad that people started to rely on so-cheap-its-criminal transient labor.
There’s a chunk of the population that’s going to fall into the same pattern, but it will be a distinctly American variant of the empire disease, invoking stuff like American Exceptionalism and “freedom” and our own WW2 mythology.
re: #92 electrotek
I know Iran backed off since Pakistan just performed nuclear tests a few months prior, but there was a lot of public support in Iran to take action against the Taliban for killing Iranian diplomats.
And it would have also spurred newfound Iranian nationalism.
Interesting thought — if they had, there may have been no 9/11. We would be living in a very different world.
re: #93 electrotek
well… in his defense, if you watched Cable and MSM news you could certainly make a case for it, but if you believe the polls that have been posted, where actual non-talking head media types are asked their opinion, he’s sadly mistaken. All a matter of where and what you get your takes based upon. I believe that leaving is the right thing to do and if the Taliban is letting everyone who wants to go to actually leave, then huzzah, lets let these folks start over, even here in the US if they wish it.
Have even started to have conversations with the much better half to see if hosting a couple or a single refugee is something we could do. Rare enough to turn thoughts into actions (and have to explore if we’re the type of situation that they are looking for in a host family)…
re: #69 Decatur Deb
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re: #99 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
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re: #81 Charles Johnson
OH NO! NOT THE DEADLY VENOM OF THE TANGERINE!!!!!
— The 3-D Zanti Regent (@josephebacon) August 18, 2021
re: #84 BeachDem
Could Josh Mandel be any more repulsive? (rhetorical question)
Ohio Republican Senate Josh Mandel on Wednesday called for increased gun ownership as a response to the “tyranny” of mask mandates.
We were talking again about getting our first gun this morning. It’s mask mandate-related in that we’re thinking we may need to start protecting ourselves from fucking idiots who think mask mandates are tyranny.
If I’ve learned anything from January 6th, it’s that when a Republican politician starts talking about arming themselves to fight ‘tyranny’, it’s not figurative. They want their mouth breather ammosexual covidiot trolls to start actually killing people.
re: #101 JOE 🥓
Tangerine Venom would be a cool band name.
Surprising… no one.
#BREAKING Taliban violating promises on Afghans’ access to airport, says US State Department No. 2 pic.twitter.com/d2w9e9HmB5
— AFP News Agency (@AFP) August 18, 2021
re: #86 A Mom Anon
This shit is inciting violence. At the very least.
Congress needs to be held to a higher standard than this. There should be something that can be done to discourage and discipline these shitmuffins.
Well, he’s not in Congress, just running (and hopefully never will be) but you’d think somebody in Ohio could get him to shut his ignorant piehole. Who am I kidding…
When I see someone not only gloating about the Taliban victory, but actually praising the ideology of the group, my first instinct is to tell them to go to Afghanistan. However, last time I did that dude took me up on the challenge and got droned in Yemen.
— Umar Lee (@UmarLeeIII) August 17, 2021
I know exactly who he is talking about - Samir Khan. He was a psychopath and I remember arguing with him on Islamic message boards in the 2000’s.
re: #100 Decatur Deb
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A study from Masaryk University in Brno confirmed what many epidemiologists here already suspected - that over half the Czech population is “no longer immunologically naive to SARS-CoV-2”…in other words, Czechia might well be the most infected country in the EU, with over half the population having experienced the disease since the beginning of the pandemic last year.
Anecdotally, this doesn’t really surprise me, as it spread like wildfire here, despite restrictions - restrictions which Czechs, in their usual Czech fashion, cheerfully ignored. “The government pretends to issue orders, and we pretend to obey them.” Such is the Czech mindset.
re: #107 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
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re: #105 BeachDem
Well, he’s not in Congress, just running (and hopefully never will be) but you’d think somebody in Ohio could get him to shut his ignorant piehole. Who am I kidding…
Mandel isn’t in the Senate yet…but Hee Hawley and Rafael C are…and for the House you have traitors Brooks, Biggs and the worst one Gosar still sitting there and inciting another coup…and they get away with it!
The conflict between my light and dark sides grows in contrast and intensity every day. I see things like anti-mask and anti-vaccine crazies rioting in California, and I have to resolve two trains of thought: The Light says, “What else can we do to persuade these benighted folk of their error?” and the Dark responds, “Good! They’re still at it in spite of the case numbers. Maybe we’ll be rid of the whole goddamn pack before long.”
re: #111 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo
The conflict between my light and dark sides grows in contrast and intensity every day. I see things like anti-mask and anti-vaccine crazies rioting in California, and I have to resolve two trains of thought: The Light says, “What else can we do to persuade these benighted folk of their error?” and the Dark responds, “Good! They’re still at it in spite of the case numbers. Maybe we’ll be rid of the whole goddamn pack before long.”
Sometimes ya gotta embrace yer angel; sometimes ya gotta feed yer ape.
I have been looking up on Wiki items on Afghanistan. And I came across this article on the First Anglo-Afghan War. Since this has been going on since 1832 (off and on actually) I think the press should lay off on Biden and Company. I know they won’t but they should at least look up some of the history.
en.wikipedia.org
re: #101 JOE 🥓
OH NO! NOT THE DEADLY VENOM OF THE TANGERINE!!!!!
— The 3-D Zanti Regent (@josephebacon) August 18, 2021
right?
oh, c’mon, not just me.
re: #111 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo
The conflict between my light and dark sides grows in contrast and intensity every day. I see things like anti-mask and anti-vaccine crazies rioting in California, and I have to resolve two trains of thought: The Light says, “What else can we do to persuade these benighted folk of their error?” and the Dark responds, “Good! They’re still at it in spite of the case numbers. Maybe we’ll be rid of the whole goddamn pack before long.”
hence re: #97 Dangerman
Does anyone have a screen cap of what Stan van Gundy said that caused him to delete the tweet?
re: #116 Dread Pirate Ron
The smoke is thicker and hanging lower today. The sunlight is dim and orange. You can almost see the top of the mountain.
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That’s what I was expecting to see today, but so far there’s nothing here but fog, slowly dissipating. Not complaining….
Gen. Mark Milley said that intelligence assessments showed the rapid collapse of the Afghan government and security forces was a possibility, but they ranged from weeks to months to even years following U.S. departure, CNN reports.
Said Milley: “There was nothing that I, or anyone else, saw that indicated a collapse of this army and this government in 11 days.”
re: #120 darthstar
Some asshole in Salt Lake City.
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mass non-compliance will end it alright, just not the way he assumes.
re: #120 darthstar
Some asshole in Salt Lake City.
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I don’t think I’ve ever heard “mass non-compliance” as a euphemism for death before.
re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth
mass non-compliance will end it alright, just not the way he assumes.
It’s kinda funny. Now that they’re getting what they want - governors who are forcing “herd immunity” by preventing local governments and businesses from enforcing best practices - they’re starting to complain about everybody dying. It’s almost like those two things are related somehow.
“To understand President Joe Biden’s decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan against the advice of the US military establishment, you need to go back to a debate that played out more than a decade ago, during the early years of Barack Obama’s presidency,” Vox reports.
“In 2009, the new Obama administration debated whether to ‘surge’ troop levels in Afghanistan after nearly eight years of war had failed to quell the insurgency from the overthrown Taliban forces. Top generals asked early that year for 17,000 more US troops and then, having gotten those, asked for an additional 40,000 to try to weaken the Taliban and strengthen the Afghan government.”
“Then-Vice President Biden was consistently one of the biggest skeptics of the military’s recommendations. Throughout months of debate, he repeatedly raised the inconvenient point that the generals’ preferred strategy seemed extremely unlikely to lead to actual victory.”
re: #120 darthstar
Some asshole in Salt Lake City.
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(though i occasionally go to Massachusetts)
re: #123 Belafon
I don’t think I’ve ever heard “mass non-compliance” as a euphemism for death before.
But all the police and their friends want is “compliance”!
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In case it hasn’t been blog-touted here already, a link to the usual cogent and fascinating post by Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice about the agreement the Trump Administration signed off on with the Taliban back in 2020. The TL;DR version is encapsulated in Adam’s title:
In Case Anyone Was Wondering Why the Taliban Actually Were Able To Retake Afghanistan So Easily, It Is Because the Trump Administration Agreed the US Would Unconditionally Surrender To Them
re: #120 darthstar
Some asshole in Salt Lake City.
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re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth
mass non-compliance will end it alright, just not the way he assumes.
re: #123 Belafon
I don’t think I’ve ever heard “mass non-compliance” as a euphemism for death before.
You know what compliance (a.k.a. adherence, capacitance) means in medical jargon?
Or that non-compliance (a.k.a. non-adherence, non-capacitance) is a frequent cause of (I mean, apart from problems going away, or broken bones or wounds not healing as they should)? Antibiotic-resistant strains of TB, including one which doesn’t respond to anything. And antibiotic-resistant strains of other pathogens. Like, I believe MRYP (Multi-resistant Yersinia pestis) will send chills down most normal peoples spines…
And yeah, there’s one such variant in Madagascar as we speak. But wait, there’s more… It apparently can be transmitted from person to person. I shit you not…
Now, take a look again at that car, with your new piece of knowledge…
What it is doing is inciting people not to comply with measures designed to stop the spread of a disease (which in Sweden is one of only 4 (out of 60) notifiable diseases that get the triple whammy of mandatory contact tracing, being dangerous to the public, and being dangerous to society (the other 3 are Smallpox, Ebola, and Original SARS)), for all intents and purposes turning them into delivery mechanisms for SARS-CoV-2.
Now you understand my hypothetical in another thread, “when does something become biological warfare?”
A Massive Crocheted Canopy Provides Shade for a Shopping District in Malaga
thisiscolossal.com
re: #120 darthstar
Some asshole in Salt Lake City.
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The amount of effort (and time and money) some people put into their ignorance is astounding.
We got rid of $heriff Joe but now we have $enate President Karen Fann spending our hard earned money.
KEEP IN MIND This is a 4-1 majority Republican County Board in country’s 4th-largest county. Each county supervisor represents more people than a member of Congress. https://t.co/qOY0HJCfwi
— Brahm Resnik (@brahmresnik) August 18, 2021
UPDATE ‘Maricopa County had to replace its subpoenaed election equipment because it was compromised while under the control of the Senate - the very possibility against which Senate President Fann agreed to indemnify the County.’ READ CLAIM: https://t.co/ypMBHxtsuq pic.twitter.com/svqPnLWJtT
— Brahm Resnik (@brahmresnik) August 18, 2021
re: #78 The Pie Overlord!
Why was he “just sitting there”? I assume that he is not a quadriplegic.
No just a brain dead misogynistic asshole.
I think this is about where I came in to this movie last time.
A New Northern Alliance Against The Taliban Is Forming In Afghanistan’s Panjshir Valley
The former First Vice President of Afghanistan has claimed the mantle of the country’s legitimate leader and is rallying forces to his cause.Ahmad Massoud is the son of Ahmad Shah Massoud, who fought against the Soviets in the 1970s and 1980s and then against the Taliban in the 1990s. The elder Massoud, who became known as the “Lion of Panjshir,” was a prominent member of the Northern Alliance, which the United States leveraged to help oust the Taliban from power in 2001 following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Ahmad Shah Massoud was assassinated on Sept. 9, 2001, in a suicide attack carried out by individuals linked to the Taliban and Al Qaeda, who were posing as journalists who had come to interview him.
thedrive.com
re: #135 Rightwingconspirator
I think this is about where I came in to this movie last time.
That’s fine. Good luck to them. We’ll support them… from all the way over here.
re: #135 Rightwingconspirator
I think this is about where I came in to this movie last time.
Give it six months and the US will be supplying Ahmad Massoud with SF ‘military advisors’, guns and money. Another year and a Marine battalion will be airlifted in to provide security and to train up the ‘rebels’. Two years down the line… I really really hope I’m wrong but I don’t think the US can stop themselves from pulling this sort of shit.
re: #137 Nojay UK
Give it six months and the US will be supplying Ahmad Massoud with SF ‘military advisors’, guns and money. Another year and a Marine battalion will be airlifted in to provide security and to train up the ‘rebels’. Two years down the line… I really really hope I’m wrong but I don’t think the US can stop themselves from pulling this sort of shit.
Just keep the “Friedman Unit” handy because we won’t be surprised when ol Tom Friedman will begin “F.U.-ing” again!
re: #137 Nojay UK
Give it six months and the US will be supplying Ahmad Massoud with SF ‘military advisors’, guns and money. Another year and a Marine battalion will be airlifted in to provide security and to train up the ‘rebels’. Two years down the line… I really really hope I’m wrong but I don’t think the US can stop themselves from pulling this sort of shit.
More likely we’ll be paying the UK to be doing it for us since they can’t seem to stay away from there.
General Mark Milley on the Afghan Security Forces: “This comes down to an issue of will and leadership. And no, I did not, nor did anyone else, see a collapse of an army of that size in 11 days.” pic.twitter.com/Uaq0vFrUAV
— The Hill (@thehill) August 18, 2021
I have to confess I have a hard time believing this.
re: #138 JOE 🥓
Just keep the “Friedman Unit” handy because we won’t be surprised when ol Tom Friedman will begin “F.U.-ing” again!
As Americans discuss US involvement in the Mideast, it’s more important than ever that Israel and key Arab states collaborate to stabilize the region. Listen to podcast discussion about this w/my colleagues @DavidMakovsky @YadlinAmos and @ekitbihttps://t.co/m87JTEnY7f
— Thomas L. Friedman (@tomfriedman) August 18, 2021
re: #137 Nojay UK
Give it six months and the US will be supplying Ahmad Massoud with SF ‘military advisors’, guns and money. Another year and a Marine battalion will be airlifted in to provide security and to train up the ‘rebels’. Two years down the line… I really really hope I’m wrong but I don’t think the US can stop themselves from pulling this sort of shit.
You might want to go read the article a few comments up about Biden’s refusal to buy into the narrative the generals were feeding him.
re: #137 Nojay UK
Give it six months and the US will be supplying Ahmad Massoud with SF ‘military advisors’, guns and money. Another year and a Marine battalion will be airlifted in to provide security and to train up the ‘rebels’. Two years down the line… I really really hope I’m wrong but I don’t think the US can stop themselves from pulling this sort of shit.
I’m hoping the Taliban does not misbehave so horrifically that becomes a temptation. But you sure could be right.
re: #140 Charles Johnson
Yeah, I do too. If he didn’t know about it he needs to be fired for incompetence.
I see my latest Page is a tad relevant to the moment.
littlegreenfootballs.com
re: #139 William Lewis
More likely we’ll be paying the UK to be doing it for us since they can’t seem to stay away from there.
The UK has always had an intelligence presence in the area — when the Great Fuckup kicked off in late 2001 the US Special Forces who arrived on the ground early got met and introduced to the important local chiefs and Northern Alliance tribal leaders by British SAS who had been there for years. Being able to speak Pashtun was a big advantage in that sort of situation and the SAS intel people have a requirement to know the local language, mores and cultural habits. US SF, in contrast have “this end towards enemy” stencilled on the end of their rifles, it is rumoured.
If Afghanistan hadn’t been a NATO deal I doubt the UK would have been there at all. Our then-current military capability was badly strained by being a part of the “Coalition of the Willing” in Iraq as well and the decade-long effort in both halves of Sandistan broke significant parts of the Army, such as our armour divisions (now a single division due to funding contraction and loss of equipment).
There isn’t enough money in the Afghan President’s suitcases to make going back in to Afghanistan worth it for the British, and you can’t call on NATO to step up again. It’s all yours. Enjoy.
Wait!
Trump gave me a pardon and it doesn’t apply to state charges?
YIKES!
Trump family friend Ken Kurson charged in N.Y. eavesdropping case months after receiving a federal pardon
Kurson, a former New York Observer editor and a close friend of former president Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, was charged Wednesday in a New York state eavesdropping and computer trespassing case months after receiving a federal pardon as he faced similar harassment allegations. Kurson’s arrest marks what is likely to be the first instance of a local prosecutor pursuing state-level charges against a person after that individual was given a pass by Trump for the same alleged conduct that federal authorities had pursued.
EVIL DEMOCRATS WANT TO STOP US SOLDIERS FROM DYING OVERSEAS JUST SO THEY CAN… GET THIS!!!!!… GIVE MORE NICE SHIT TO AMERICANS!!!
Aren’t they evil as fuck? https://t.co/JvNRIR6S7T— Slava Malamud (@SlavaMalamud) August 18, 2021
“Democrats are shrinking the U.S. military footprint around the world so they can expand the welfare state at home.” https://t.co/VkXq56FAAn
— Arthur Delaney 🇺🇸 (@ArthurDelaneyHP) August 18, 2021
“The average family of four will get more than they spend on food.” Oh, no, not that.
re: #136 Dopamine Fish
That’s fine. Good luck to them. We’ll support them… from all the way over here.
…but seriously, could they provide a safe haven for all those Afghani translators and such who can’t (or don’t dare) make it to Kabul? That would merit financial — and maybe more — support.
re: #124 Dopamine Fish
It’s kinda funny. Now that they’re getting what they want - governors who are forcing “herd immunity” by preventing local governments and businesses from enforcing best practices - they’re starting to complain about everybody dying. It’s almost like those two things are related somehow.
“Doctor, before you intubate me, I just want to say that when I said some weak people might have to die to achieve herd immunity, I didn’t mean ME!’
Yes, Steve. Raising my hand. Now a question for you: Why wouldn’t a country founded by people who fled religious persecution & who yearned to be free welcome people today who are fleeing religious persecution & who yearn to be free? Especially people we hurt because of this war? https://t.co/BrbsvgSU2e
— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) August 18, 2021
re: #148 Belafon
“The average family of four will get more than they spend on food.” Oh, no, not that.
THEY’LL PROBABLY JUST SPEND IT ON GRANITE COUNTERTOPS AND T-BONE STAKES AND LOBSTERS.
I’m just spitballing here, but couldn’t these Afghan refugees, oh, I don’t know, help with the restaurant staffing crunch a little bit, among other things?
Kennedy in Cuba, Ford in Vietnam, Reagan in Lebanon: Presidents don’t dip in polls after military interventions fail. Even in 1952, Ike won less b/c the Ds “lost” China than b/c he pledged to bring our boys home from Korea. @billscher on Biden. https://t.co/8ud7wokL76
— Timothy Noah (@TimothyNoah1) August 18, 2021
re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth
THEY’LL PROBABLY JUST SPEND IT ON GRANITE COUNTERTOPS AND T-BONE STAKES AND LOBSTERS.
MAYBE EVEN REFIRGERATORS AND AIR CONDITIONERS!!11!
re: #50 Charles Johnson
I’m not going anywhere near any of the big Lincoln Project “stars” for at least a month. Fuck them.
“We’re still in a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Biden begins his speech from the White House East Room, adding that 85 million Americans who are eligible to be vaccinated are not. “Quite frankly, it’s a tragedy. There are people who are dying and will die who didn’t have to.”
— Joey Garrison (@joeygarrison) August 18, 2021
wait until you hear about the guy who promised that 15 cases of covid would soon go down to 0 and then called it a hoax
— Jeff Tiedrich (@itsJeffTiedrich) August 18, 2021
I formally retract my comment downstairs and am again redirecting my full fury at Jack. It appears that I was mistaken about being able to access all tweets. Where is my voodoo doll?
Biden goes after unnamed politicians who are exploiting Covid-19 “for their own political gain,” such as by banning masks. He mentions “governors who are trying to block and intimidate local school officials.”
“They’re setting a dangerous tone.”— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) August 18, 2021
re: #154 teleskiguy
gee, JFK got shot…that was a pretty severe polling result.
Excellent conversation and tribute to our puppy Ace. https://t.co/p35mu3Td42 pic.twitter.com/NBTmBHWZlN
— Alexander S. Vindman (@AVindman) August 18, 2021
Our viewers are welcome to get sick:
ah just the hosts of a popular teevee show encouraging their viewers to break the law https://t.co/xAxGVlAD4v
— Non Fungible Tom Tomorrow (@tomtomorrow) August 18, 2021
We’ll be fine.
BREAKING - Fox News is requiring all employees to enter their vaccination status into a central database — and requiring masking in confined spaces. Hypocrisy much? pic.twitter.com/LHMsT7IBSL
— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) August 18, 2021
Then how do you explain the tangerine rinds they found in your hotel wastebasket with pillow fibers on them? https://t.co/6eo3Gkd3o3
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 18, 2021
If you had any doubt about the love affair between big media companies and the military industrial complex before the past few days, you should be straightened out by now!
re: #159 Hecuba’s daughter
I formally retract my comment downstairs and am again redirecting my full fury at Jack. It appears that I was mistaken about being able to access all tweets. Where is my voodoo doll?
Since yesterday I can’t access Tweets that I click on any LGF post. @jerk must have messed around with the code again. Can’t access them on Safari, Chrome or Firefox
re: #165 bratwurst
You can’t make this shit up… pic.twitter.com/l5cjSV1AUA
— vanmojo (@vanmojo) August 16, 2021
re: #163 jaunte
Fox News people are the most hypocritical bunch of assholes around.
nobody wanted to go in front of the american public and admit the pentagon’s been incinerating pallets of cash for two decades on a phantom government & army. they were caught in the lie & assumed the president would be forced to carry water to avoid having it exposed
— kilgore trout, terminal hiccups patient (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 16, 2021
re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg
Fox News people are the most hypocritical bunch of assholes around.
Evergreen post.
re: #164 Charles Johnson
It’s time for a Long Distance Dedication to Crackhead Mike…and since he has said he HATES Disco…
re: #167 JOE 🥓
I have to refresh the individual comment with the tweet and then it works.
re: #158 jaunte
The cherry on that shit sundae hot take is that this guy contributes to MSNBC.
re: #170 Belafon
In some cases, it went beyond just being not willing to defend the Afghani government. Enough of Afghanistan’s armed forces were sympathizers of the Taliban, and over 150 coalition forces were killed in “Green on Blue” attacks — attacks by members of Afghanistan’s armed forces some of whom were Taliban infiltrators, and others just sympathizers.
re: #164 Charles Johnson
Once tangerines are outlawed, only outlaws will use tangerines.
re: #141 The Ghost of a Flea
TBH (not that it helps his reputation), but Friedman is right about this: establishing even the superficial diplomatic relationships between Israel and the Gulf states that they did was probably the sole diplomatic “positive” the Trump Admin was able to accomplish in four years. I certainly wouldn’t put it past any of the parties concerned to screw things up one way or another, but for the moment, it’s a rare semi-bright spot in ME affairs….
re: #19 jaunte
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re: #140 Charles Johnson
I have to confess I have a hard time believing this.
I suspect it’s a “from a certain perspective” statement.
What I keep encountering from people talking about what’s been going on on the ground is that Afghan forces were trained for combat in a piecemeal fashion but there’s no leadership or grand strategy, and furthermore they currently don’t have any logistics and don’t have any pay, and have been taking casualties daily.
I’d add from my own impressions that there’s a cascade failure happening where warlords have never been reliable and have mostly been wholly self interested and are therefore primed to cut a deal if they’re not getting their cut from the USA and the central government; the central government has never been reliable because it’s rife with nepotism and self-dealing, and entirely propped up by the US presence that lubes their relationship with the warlords…and the individual soldiers have made an estimate that they’ve got no one at their back while the price for resisting the Taliban is not just their own brutal death, but potentially harm to their families.
The great pattern of Afghanistan is that conquerors come in but fail and leave, so the local politics is always more important: the outsiders will bail eventually so you have to make your choices assuming that one day you will be left still in the country with your local rivals. The USSR and the USA playing Cold War games disrupted the chance for the country to start a slow development arc, to cultural development into a country with shared values (whether under Zahir Shah or Daoud Khan), so there’s really on a thin skin of nationhood over clan and regional alliances plus the ecosystem of warlords.
Trump sitting down with the Taliban and legitimating them, while cutting out the flimsy Kabul governance, and explicitly laying out that the US won’t fuck with the Taliban anymore is confirmation of that basic regional understanding of how shit works: the USA is bailing, the warlords are squirrely or dead: time to figure out how to run or to survive in the new internal political order.
People are angry that the soldiers won’t fight for their country…but for a lot of these people there’s no country: Afghanistan can’t be their priority because whether or not you love the idea of living in a country that lets you be safe and lets you make choices, the reality is the country doesn’t make you safe even you pursue an ideal. Most living Afghans have never had anything but the choice to pick the size and shape of the sword dangling over their heads—warlords or Soviets, warlords or Taliban, Taliban or warlords and the USA—and idealism is a luxury. Those soldiers aren’t even conscripts, they’re guys that want a paycheck and maybe shelter for their family, and now there’s no paychecks and the umbrella of safety is getting smaller.
Where Americans see the Taliban as the enemy of Freedom, to Afghans they’re just another colonizer, different from other colonizers in three respects: they sort of operate in local idioforms—understanding Islamic law, understanding tribal conflict resolution and hospitality; their operation is incredibly brutal in way that involves direct terrorization as opposed to the impersonal terror of helicopter strafing or drone attacks; and they’re very consistent in what they demand of those they subjugate. None of that makes them the preferred system of governance, but it does make them seem like better options that any given warlord (who is opulent and arbitrary with their power) or foreign power (who can be just as violent but do so in ways that feel random and thus more cruel).
The other thing going on is that at least some of the religious conservatives of Afghanistan have sided with totalitarians because the alternative is people choosing to live outside their norms. A bunch of those young men who became soldiers aren’t just looking at a system that’s not helping them, but looking at their villages and even families and seeing the people that would prefer the Taliban system…and feeling either betrayed and frightened or feeling cowed to respect the wishes of their family.
The only thing that could have made Afghanistan prosper and become a functional democracy was stability plus the ability to retain its wealth and turn it into infrastructure. Instead, the region has constantly been at conflict with people that destabilize the population…throwing power back into the hands of the most martial tribal groups and creating reactionary movements resistant to colonization through ideas as much as through armies…and exfiltrate anything with value.
This is the compound interest of colonialism.
re: #176 Mattand
Once tangerines are outlawed, only outlaws will use tangerines.
the rest of us will still have the “naval” oranges…
re: #28 sagehen
There’s also some women’s groups chartering planes hoping to get the women Doctors, Lawyers, Legislators, Professors, top students, etc.
NYT, WaPo & WSJ (combined and working together) are also asking the admin to prioritize getting their local reporters (and reporters’ families) who’ve done so much to help them get coverage over the years.
David Rohde in particular is apoplectic (he’s now with the New Yorker, but he was NYT when the Taliban captured him and held him hostage for 7 months) about wanting to evac his Afghan reporting partner who saved his life and helped him escape that captivity.
“Your mission, Jim, if you choose to accept it, is to evacuate all U.S. assets from Afghanistan, and to do it in a way that severely diminishes Baradar’s ability to lead the country…” (cut to a scene of Leonard Nimoy, working up his makeup, which looks suspiciously like the picture of him that was used in the first scene, almost as though Leonard Nimoy actually IS Baradar. Also, it will turn out that the entire impossible mission force can speak Darsi, because it’s just English with a vague accent).
re: #177 Jay C
TBH (not that it helps his reputation), but Friedman is right about this: establishing even the superficial diplomatic relationships between Israel and the Gulf states that they did was probably the sole diplomatic “positive” the Trump Admin was able to accomplish in four years. I certainly wouldn’t put it past any of the parties concerned to screw things up one way or another, but for the moment, it’s a rare semi-bright spot in ME affairs….
That was much more minor than it really was. It’s not as if many Israelis are going to go to Dubai to enjoy the malls or the desert, or very many Emirati’s are going to go to Israel for medical care or maybe going to the Dome on the Rock.
Israel has had non-embassy diplomatic missions in the Gulf states in the past, shutdown when the post-Oslo peace broke down, and Israel already had an embassy in the UAE. It had the figleaf of being accredited not to the UAE government, but to the International Renewable Energy Agency.
— 80s News Screens (@80snewsscreens) August 18, 2021
A Capitol Riot Sentencing Got Derailed After New Videos Surfaced Hours Before The Hearing
Robert Reeder pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for going into the Capitol on Jan. 6, but new videos appeared to show him attacking police.
re: #186 JOE 🥓
A Capitol Riot Sentencing Got Derailed After New Videos Surfaced Hours Before The Hearing
Robert Reeder pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for going into the Capitol on Jan. 6, but new videos appeared to show him attacking police.
There’s nothing like the smell of a superseding indictment in the afternoon.
Conservative pundits tweeting about “white rage” right now are showing you that they don’t actually give a fuck about US service members, our allies, and the people of Afghanistan.
They’re just using this as a moment to elevate conservative anti-anti-racism talking points. pic.twitter.com/01TtYNJnYB— Kendall Brown (@kendallybrown) August 18, 2021
re: #86 A Mom Anon
This shit is inciting violence. At the very least.
Congress needs to be held to a higher standard than this. There should be something that can be done to discourage and discipline these shitmuffins.
in the olden days, there was dueling. You’d be surprised how civil society can be when the shit you say can have a gentleman wander up to you and slap the crap out of you with a glove before demanding satisfaction.
re: #189 steve_davis
That just allows those most skilled at violence to be as uncivil as their little hearts desire, knowing they can kill anyone who takes offense. An armed society is only as polite as its most effective killers.
re: #159 Hecuba’s daughter
I formally retract my comment downstairs and am again redirecting my full fury at Jack. It appears that I was mistaken about being able to access all tweets. Where is my voodoo doll?
I guess I don’t understand what the big deal is about setting up an account to access Twitter. They’ll gladly accept a completely throwaway Gmail account, and you don’t have to create a profile at all. And if you’re engaging with their platform regularly, I guarantee you they already know plenty from your IP address and cookies, whether you’re “logged in” or not.
In the end, it’s their platform, and their rules, I guess.
The memory of a gnat.
the Trump administration— under which you served— initiated negotiations with the Devil then https://t.co/EeeyEiDZEK
— curtmills (@CurtMills) August 18, 2021
re: #188 DodgerFan1988
keep repeating:
The right-wing pundits, and their politician guests, are arguing in bad faith, as they nearly always do. They don’t care one whit about Afghanistan or the Afghan people; they are just using the Afghans to “own the libs.”
hypocrisy is their stock in trade.
we should stop being surprised they use it all the time
we should stop being surprised no one who can ever calls them out on it
re: #192 teleskiguy
The memory of a gnat.
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initiated? hell.
hosted them at camp david
the Trump administration— under which you served— initiated negotiations with the Devil then https://t.co/EeeyEiDZEK
— curtmills (@CurtMills) August 18, 2021
BREAKING NEWS: A federal judge in Nevada has just struck down as unconstitutional the main federal law used to prosecute undocumented immigrants because Congress passed the law with explicitly racist motives.
— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) August 18, 2021
re: #195 gwangung
I do wonder whether the same reasoning can be used for laws with implicitly racist motives (i.e, gerrymandering and the war on drugs).
re: #196 aatharuv
I do wonder whether the same reasoning can be used for laws with implicitly racist motives (i.e, gerrymandering).
Our implicitly racist Supreme Court will look the other way.
Ben once authored an op-ed saying that he doesn’t care if Afghan civilians are killed. congrats on his newly found empathy for Afghan civilians https://t.co/CAAIHJHhcm pic.twitter.com/WyIlbfRtVR
— saeen (@ConceptualBIG) August 18, 2021
re: #194 Dangerman
initiated? hell.
hosted them at camp david
Almost. And on 9/11. But, uh, cooler heads prevailed?
Might help more if he instituted a vaccine passport requirement to get into his concerts. Many of his fans might not get vaccinated for any other reason.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) August 18, 2021
re: #175 aatharuv
In some cases, it went beyond just being not willing to defend the Afghani government. Enough of Afghanistan’s armed forces were sympathizers of the Taliban, and over 150 coalition forces were killed in “Green on Blue” attacks — attacks by members of Afghanistan’s armed forces some of whom were Taliban infiltrators, and others just sympathizers.
Some were also sympathetic to Da’esh.
re: #195 gwangung
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this is (sort of ) what i was saying yesterday w/r/t california’s recall law that goes back to 1911 (ianal)
if no one challenges a law, it’s treated as sort of constitutional in practice (up to that time).
once someone challenges the constitutionality of a law that’s when it may become unconstitutional as law.
someone is challenging california’s recall law now. (i dont know if anyone ever tried before)
BREAKING NEWS: A federal judge in Nevada has just struck down as unconstitutional the main federal law used to prosecute undocumented immigrants because Congress passed the law with explicitly racist motives.
— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) August 18, 2021
re: #137 Nojay UK
Give it six months and the US will be supplying Ahmad Massoud with SF ‘military advisors’, guns and money. Another year and a Marine battalion will be airlifted in to provide security and to train up the ‘rebels’. Two years down the line… I really really hope I’m wrong but I don’t think the US can stop themselves from pulling this sort of shit.
Maybe, maybe not at this point. But it would be 100% guaranteed if the Northern Alliance could be somehow cast as Christian, which they are most certainly not. Thank goodness at this point. But once again it looks like it will be the ISI/Pakistan Taliban vs. the Russia/Turkey/Tajiks/ etc etc etc “Northern Alliance.”
re: #177 Jay C
TBH (not that it helps his reputation), but Friedman is right about this: establishing even the superficial diplomatic relationships between Israel and the Gulf states that they did was probably the sole diplomatic “positive” the Trump Admin was able to accomplish in four years. I certainly wouldn’t put it past any of the parties concerned to screw things up one way or another, but for the moment, it’s a rare semi-bright spot in ME affairs….
No, because those superficial relations are based in exactly one thing: future plans to destabilize Iran, following up on present plans to mass murder Yemen.
(With a sidebar commitment to creating more sophisticated surveillance technology that definitely won’t be used to monitor journalists and lure them into ambushes where they’re cut up with a bone saw)
“Good relations” with petrostate monarchies that dabble in slavery and have destabilized most of the Middle East and North Africa, that are the primary economic engine of Sunni fundamentalism as a totalitarian force, has always been a mistake and will continue to be a mistake. They have never, ever, made anything better for anyone that isn’t an oil magnate.
They want a dead, broken Iran to match the dead, broken Yemen because it’s a win-win-win scenario where if they just poke around enough the US will be conned into breaking the back of their regional rival. Saudis respond to a crisis in Yemen by bombing children and starting a famine…what help are they to regional stability? It’s literally the same quagmire that’s fucked us worldwide—team up with pieces of shit assuming they’re the subordinate party that can’t use US resources to do their dirty work (that actually reverses US objectives…even the venal ones)—except the final necrotized cap of pus hasn’t formed yet.
They’re not Bucky Barnes helping us out with punching the Ayatollah in the nose: they’re fucking people-owning monsters that delight in playing with religious fanaticism to prop up their ineffectual bread-and-circuses monarchies.
It’s sunk cost fallacy: create desolation over there so we can have peace over here, except we don’t ever actually get peace so we have to create more desolation, with diminishing returns each round.
And…I don’t know how to put this politely, but…can we stop being rubes getting played by local oligarchs? Most of the regional conflicts we’ve gotten into since the Banana Wars has been about establishing through force parasitic institutions that take all the money and privatize it. Anti-communism has been a long, gruesome version of “the Aristocrats” where anyone that fights back against having all their shit stolen is the bad guy; is it not evidence that something is really fucking wrong that we constantly fight socialism, but the word socialism has slowly expanded to encompass all movements that question the right of the powerful to coerce everyone and own everything? Everyone on this board is, in the parlance, a socialist because we don’t want to be consumed by monopolies and exploitative privatized systems, just like a century ago your average Guatemalan peasants was a Red because he didn’t want to hand over all the arable land in his entire country to fucking Dole.
There’s just this constant Moloch—the burnt offering of American soldiers and foreign civilians—and if you keep track of the money it all flows up to billionaires and corporations that see nations as safe deposit boxes.
At this point it’s just fucking ridiculous, the worst most codependent relationship possible where nothing will improve.
re: #199 teleskiguy
Almost. And on 9/11. But, uh, cooler heads prevailed?
oh i didnt actually realize that.
re: #197 JOE 🥓
Our implicitly racist Supreme Court will look the other way.
It doesn’t matter. The Court of Appeals is likely to reverse this decision anyway. Of course, it’s likely to reach the Supreme Court — which will reverse this original decision.
BREAKING: A Texas school board has found a loophole in Greg Abbott’s ban on school mask mandates by instead adding masks to the district’s dress code.
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) August 18, 2021
Can’t help but notice how many people who complained about not understanding their kid’s math homework turned into infectious disease experts and military strategists over the last year and a half.
— Angry Staffer (@Angry_Staffer) August 17, 2021
You ever wonder if you just took the two tylenol you wanted to?
BREAKING: President Biden nominates Charles F. Sams III to serve as director of the @NatlParkService. If confirmed, he’d be the first Native American to hold the job. pic.twitter.com/vSRG4eckoQ
— 2022 Elections (@USElection2022) August 18, 2021
re: #178 Teddy’s Person
Sweet Teddy. Coop says Boop.
Henry’s not mad, he’s disappointed. 13/10 we’ll do better https://t.co/pkNAs0WCUk
— WeRateDogs® (@dog_rates) August 18, 2021
We only rate dogs. This is clearly a Roomba… 12/10 pic.twitter.com/6Nf9nPXz2c
— WeRateDogs® (@dog_rates) August 18, 2021
This is Gracie. She picked this flower for you. Won’t move until you take it. 13/10 thank you kindly pic.twitter.com/FotIHvCt7y
— WeRateDogs® (@dog_rates) August 18, 2021
She is but she’s booked through 2024
— WeRateDogs® (@dog_rates) August 18, 2021
This guy needs to be put away forever.
“Dead men can’t pass laws”: Capitol rioter charged with threatening Georgia Sen. Raphael Warnock (Salon via MSN)
Not a joke—
If you want to do military interventions that would stabilize the world, start using SEAL teams to raid tax havens and whisk shady bankers, lawyers, and accountants away.
Because the physical locations that the conflicts happen are longer the locus of control: the places where the money pools are.
re: #8 Belafon
“It’s not left-wing broadcasters and preachers that are dying from the virus.”
Exactly. Let Rightwingers keep fighting science and paying the consequences. I don’t care.
re: #159 Hecuba’s daughter
I formally retract my comment downstairs and am again redirecting my full fury at Jack. It appears that I was mistaken about being able to access all tweets. Where is my voodoo doll?
When other people started talking about this, I took a look myself. I’m not on Twitter and don’t have the app. It appears that Chrome is screwed up and makes it impossible to see replies — but twitter works as it always has in Firefox and Safari. On an ipad or an iphone not yet upgraded to 14.7.
I read that Sen. Ron (Moscow Ronski) Johnson from WI has announced that he won’t be running for re-election next year (to which, IMHO, a hearty GOOD RIDDANCE!!! is the only appropriate response) - which ISTR was something he had already announced (??) Maybe now it’s “official”…
Dowd making too much sense here.
I’ll never forgive our media for hammering Biden without ANY nuance over a 20 year war 6 months into his first term while children lay in ICUs and Delta surges. https://t.co/0hTwj3IIJS— Renee (@PettyLupone) August 18, 2021
WTF, journalism is failing at all points now
Asked by ABC about images of a plane packed with Afghans and of people falling from a plane, Biden interjected, wrongly, “That was 4 days ago, 5 days ago.” They were taken less than 72 hours ago.
(Pressed, he said he’d thought “we have to gain control of this,” move faster.)— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) August 18, 2021
There is a channel for folks who don’t want Democrats to ever be covered critically! Same with Republicans! https://t.co/eBDVtE6dgJ
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) August 18, 2021
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re: #227 Juan Carlos Mescalero
JXKY5WWSfaaJ7NnwG0/myg0VQUcaIeK+
thread with receipts:
Three weeks ago, a group of Republicans voted against expanding and speeding up the evacuation of Afghans who supported the U.S. military and their families. You might think they’d be keeping their heads down right now, but… 1/? https://t.co/Q1dHLP2rNQ
— Aaron Fritschner (@Fritschner) August 18, 2021
re: #226 Citizen K
ftr, CNN is on track to air 50% fewer mentions of “Kabul” today vs Monday, according to TVeyes, so yes the pullback is real
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) August 18, 2021
Afghan vet @mattczeller tears into Stephen Miller for saying Afghan refugees don’t deserve to come here:
“As far as I’m concerned, he personally is as complicit as the Taliban in these people’s deaths. He should be held accountable for war crimes!” pic.twitter.com/BjTR3ncJ14— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) August 18, 2021
This may be just me but…..
the only people who give a crap are the wingnut opportunists and the media trying to pretend that they have cared all along?
My Facebook friends aren’t talking about it at all. Trending Twitter doesn’t show any interest. IRL the only thing I have heard is if I have seen the plane video, no mention of the withdrawl, just commenting on the video itself? Maybe just my circle but I am not seeing any passion at all about any of this?
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LOfuckingL
Dunkirk was one of the great historical rescue missions of the 20th century you ignoramus. pic.twitter.com/aPICONH4Ig
— Adam Bass (@AdamBassOfMass) August 18, 2021
what a fucking moron
re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth
LOfuckingL
what a fucking moron
Reminds me of that tweet where Parscale likened the Trump campaign to the Death Star powering up.
Biden Administration to Use Federal Civil Rights Arm to Deter States From School Mask Bans - The New York Times
“At the end of the day,” @SecCardona said, “we shouldn’t be having this conversation. What we’re dealing with now is negligence.” https://t.co/Ufg2kVzgnI— Erica L. Green (@EricaLG) August 18, 2021
re: #232 b.d. (Cough Louder Conservatives!)
Afghanawhat?
Please, you only go as far as corporate lets you. But play the tough guy
— EstebanTornado1963 (@ETornado1963) August 18, 2021
Please be careful out there. https://t.co/imxC1TqcvK with COVID Often Infect Their Pets via @sciam
— Manksy (@TheManksy) August 18, 2021
re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth
LOfuckingL
what a fucking moron
I really wish he’d used a Porky’s reference.
This guy is a real shmuck. I mean he is a putz. The Taliban is afraid of him.
Zebulun Simentov, the last Jew in Afghanistan, previously said he would “definitely” leave before the Taliban take over. He has reportedly changed his mind. https://t.co/YWSeAnBwCc
— JTA | Jewish news (@JTAnews) August 18, 2021
re: #240 darthstar
I really wish he’d used a Porky’s reference.
It’s obvious that he has not the first fucking clue about Dunkirk
re: #232 b.d. (Cough Louder Conservatives!)
This may be just me but…..
the only people who give a crap are the wingnut opportunists and the media trying to pretend that they have cared all along?
My Facebook friends aren’t talking about it at all. Trending Twitter doesn’t show any interest. IRL the only thing I have heard is if I have seen the plane video, no mention of the withdrawl, just commenting on the video itself? Maybe just my circle but I am not seeing any passion at all about any of this?
Well, my friends are talking about it…but I have lots of brown friends and those who hail from Western and Southern Asia, so there’s that….
Afghanistan? Ain’t that like a blanket? Oh, I know! Carpet! Yeah! Great carpets!
Trump apparently went to the Sarah Palin School of Historical Stuffs & Whatnots.
re: #241 The Pie Overlord!
This guy is a real shmuck. I mean he is a putz. The Taliban is afraid of him.
He’s got that tontine Torah now, right?
Room Rater Fluffy Rooms. The outdoors can be rooms. We all know Henry is the real commander of his space. 10/10 @Cmdr_Hadfield pic.twitter.com/yhXj0bQIQn
— Room Rater (@ratemyskyperoom) August 18, 2021
re: #232 b.d. (Cough Louder Conservatives!)
This may be just me but…..
the only people who give a crap are the wingnut opportunists and the media trying to pretend that they have cared all along?
My Facebook friends aren’t talking about it at all. Trending Twitter doesn’t show any interest. IRL the only thing I have heard is if I have seen the plane video, no mention of the withdrawl, just commenting on the video itself? Maybe just my circle but I am not seeing any passion at all about any of this?
My FB Trump cultist friend yesterday finally had a tirade against Biden, regurgitating what she heard on RW media. She asserted that Biden and his administration were all incompetent and should resign
Yep:
“Manhattan’s DA has subpoenaed financial records relating to Steve Bannon, CNN reported.
The DA is investigating Bannon’s use of funds donated as part of the We Build the Wall campaign.”https://t.co/zUTOraxrR6— Bruce Duck (@BruceDuck2) August 18, 2021
re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth
It’s obvious that he has not the first fucking clue about Dunkirk
Maybe he’s looking at Dunkirk from the standpoint of Heinz Guderian and his multi-day methamphetamine bender.
re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth
::: really huge evil grin :::
re: #232 b.d. (Cough Louder Conservatives!)
This may be just me but…..
the only people who give a crap are the wingnut opportunists and the media trying to pretend that they have cared all along?
My Facebook friends aren’t talking about it at all. Trending Twitter doesn’t show any interest. IRL the only thing I have heard is if I have seen the plane video, no mention of the withdrawl, just commenting on the video itself? Maybe just my circle but I am not seeing any passion at all about any of this?
Americans have never given a crap about Afghanistan. Our longest war, and except for the beginning and the end, almost completely ignored by the media.
President Biden announces a vaccine mandate for nursing home workers:
“Vaccination rates among nursing home staff significantly trail the rest of the country.” pic.twitter.com/Ym8OCBGYrw— The Recount (@therecount) August 18, 2021
*snerk*
I sponsored a Bantam hockey team and it was worth every penny when an angry parent confronted me and demanded to know why their precious child had to play on the Effin’ Birds when other kids got to play on Canadian Tire or Tim Horton’s.
“I guess nobody else had $500,” I shrugged https://t.co/dLObfyF5wK— Effin’ Birds (@EffinBirds) August 18, 2021
Biden is not being “defensive” he is PISSED OFF. #Afghanistan https://t.co/UwJnwe1teB
— Liddle Cherry Pie 🌈🍒🥧 (@Pie_Overlord) August 18, 2021
You know why I follow health guidance? Because I don’t want to end up in a hospital bed looking like that, on death’s door. https://t.co/zznPx2DRV0
— Liberal Librarian (@Lib_Librarian) August 18, 2021
FYI, Biden was born THE VERY DAY that allied forces captured Benghazi in World War II (November 20, 1942). Connect the dots, sheeple! Randy obviously has.
— Lord Piltdown (@jimreynolds54) August 18, 2021
Didn’t Trump promise to end “forever wars.” pic.twitter.com/UuiWG0eptK
— Richard Hine (@richardhine) August 18, 2021
I was just sent an article from some junk outfit called Natural News stating that the southern border has completely collapsed and we are being invaded by hordes of covid positive illegals completely unchecked in any way. This was news to me despite sitting right on the border. I must be completely blind.
Ian saw Anthony playing basketball outside for months without a net, so he asked community members to pitch in to get him one. The first time these two met is when Ian delivered the donated net to his door. More tonight @GlobalEdmonton #yeg pic.twitter.com/ppDjJqvXZX
— Sarah Komadina (@SKomadinaGlobal) August 18, 2021
That smile says it all! ❤ https://t.co/h3dwKnv01C
— Sarah Komadina (@SKomadinaGlobal) August 18, 2021
re: #221 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!
When other people started talking about this, I took a look myself. I’m not on Twitter and don’t have the app. It appears that Chrome is screwed up and makes it impossible to see replies — but twitter works as it always has in Firefox and Safari. On an ipad or an iphone not yet upgraded to 14.7.
Not for me. It only works on Firefox in incognito. Might work in Safari, but it stopped working there for me only because my browser and OS are so out of date. So anything I click on here will show the first reference, but if it is a thread it won’t show anything else. Also, tweets embedded in tweets no longer show content for me here. So if it’s something like a Rex Chapman tweet, I’ll see his commentary but not what he’s retweeting.
re: #259 DesertDenizen
I was just sent an article from some junk outfit called Natural News stating that the southern border has completely collapsed and we are being invaded by hordes of covid positive illegals completely unchecked in any way. This was news to me despite sitting right on the border. I must be completely blind.
the cloaking device works!
re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth
See? Canada understands how this shit should work.
‘“We are seeing that we’re closer to talks with the Taliban and the peace process than we’ve seen before,” Haley said, briefing reporters after taking part in a weekend visit to Kabul…’ —January 18, 2018https://t.co/1QJjHiRYNO https://t.co/8mFyJzM9uQ
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) August 18, 2021
re: #255 The Pie Overlord!
A Defensive Biden Argues There Was No Exit From Afghanistan ‘Without Chaos Ensuing
By the time Biden became president, there wasn’t. Hell, there probably wasn’t even by the time Trump became president.
Ten or fifteen years ago? Maybe we could have negotiated a peace deal that would have left Afghanistan partitioned like Korea. We could have kept a force there, like we have in Korea.
But “we” didn’t want to do “nation building” and that means this was the likely outcome all along.
re: #266 KGxvi
By the time Biden became president, there wasn’t. Hell, there probably wasn’t even by the time Trump became president.
Ten or fifteen years ago? Maybe we could have negotiated a peace deal that would have left Afghanistan partitioned like Korea. We could have kept a force there, like we have in Korea.
But “we” didn’t want to do “nation building” and that means this was the likely outcome all along.
We don’t know how to do nation building.
re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth
We the Effin Birds BITCH!
Now go chase the puck into the corner and meet EFFIN!
New Zealand is in lockdown again.
washingtonpost.com
re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter
We lack the fortitude and foresight for a multi generational plan.
re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth
Look! It’s Loser Fairy Godmother!
re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter
We don’t know how to do nation building.
We did nation building in South Korea, we did it in Japan and a lot of western Europe after the Second World War. We could do it, we just don’t want it.
re: #272 KGxvi
We had the will and long term vision then. This country has become increasingly short sighted. Business looks only to the next quarter, politics to the next election cycle. No one is thinking a decade or generation down the road. That’s also what’s killing us on climate change.
I guess what frustrates me is that our foreign policy has been taken over by DOD, and it has turned into the old “if the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything starts looking like a nail” adage. That there was never something like a Marshall Plan for Afghanistan (or Iraq) is a dereliction of duty by everyone involved.
re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth
*snerk*
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Not “nobody else”…*you* didn’t pony up $500
I sponsored a Bantam hockey team and it was worth every penny when an angry parent confronted me and demanded to know why their precious child had to play on the Effin’ Birds when other kids got to play on Canadian Tire or Tim Horton’s.
“I guess nobody else had $500,” I shrugged https://t.co/dLObfyF5wK— Effin’ Birds (@EffinBirds) August 18, 2021
re: #272 KGxvi
We did nation building in South Korea, we did it in Japan and a lot of western Europe after the Second World War. We could do it, we just don’t want it.
Not exactly the same. And I think we’d have to qualify “success” in those examples, too.
re: #273 DesertDenizen
I also believe that the approach was more broad-based, initiatives in politics, civil service, business and education… We essentially introduced the public school structure to Japan. Provided incentives to the business that were established, manufacturing, entertainment etc…
I’m not sure that we took the time to tailor the approach to either Iraq or Afghanistan but then again, the mission was supposed to “get the bad guy and get out”, not “we’re going to come in, get the bad guy and rip down every damn thing that allowed the bad guy to ascend to power”.
re: #277 piratedan
I concur. As I’ve been reading, we were trapped in short term thinking in Afghanistan. We built lots of stuff, but without regard to what would help in the long term. Fast was rewarded over durable.
Maryland, SC, Iowa, Vermont, California join Utah in offering to settle refugees.
Brian kemp/ Georgia did too then MTG true to form:
“GA shouldn’t welcome Afghan refugees while 1,000’s of Americans are stranded,” Greene tweeted, questioning how much allowing the refugees would cost taxpayers.
re: #278 DesertDenizen
and I have to be honest, in hindsight, did we do the countries we rebuilt a favor in shaping them in our own image? I almost think that we naively followed the British model of making all of their colonies in their own image but when you are trying to assert control over a group of people who don’t speak your language, who you’ve been at war with, whose culture is different then your own…
I’m not sure that there really is an answer other than to stop having wars, and my reality-check tells me that as long as there are assholes (gender non-specific) who feel the need “to other” people unlike themselves into some bogeyman for whatever mindset they’ve manifested or grown up in… then it’ll be a while as a species before that can happen.
re: #272 KGxvi
We did nation building in South Korea, we did it in Japan and a lot of western Europe after the Second World War. We could do it, we just don’t want it.
And we did all of those to fight communism.
The little asshole who said he’d do it again right after being evacuated is a 4Channer.
re: #281 Belafon
And we did all of those to fight communism.
One way to see the fall of communism is that it freed the US Right to go after their real enemy — everyone in the US who isn’t filthy rich.
re: #278 DesertDenizen
I concur. As I’ve been reading, we were trapped in short term thinking in Afghanistan. We built lots of stuff, but without regard to what would help in the long term. Fast was rewarded over durable.
Who the money was routed to was rewarded over all.
this is some pretty top service pic.twitter.com/LZJULFRUbq
— Rob N Roll (@thegallowboob) August 17, 2021
re: #277 piratedan
I also believe that the approach was more broad-based, initiatives in politics, civil service, business and education… We essentially introduced the public school structure to Japan. Provided incentives to the business that were established, manufacturing, entertainment etc…
I’m not sure that we took the time to tailor the approach to either Iraq or Afghanistan but then again, the mission was supposed to “get the bad guy and get out”, not “we’re going to come in, get the bad guy and rip down every damn thing that allowed the bad guy to ascend to power”.
Blah, blah, blah—I was vomiting a bunch of stuff that didn’t really refute your main points. Forgive me. (I deleted my earlier post.)
re: #255 The Pie Overlord!
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My morning walking friend repeated that NPR talking point to me this morning. I responded that he wasn’t being defensive just more honest than his predecessors.
Joe Biden’s political honeymoon is officially over
forget that it’s cillizza
and forget what the intelligence community did or didnt know and reported up the line or didnt
raise your hand if you think biden and company werent working on this, planning it, timing it, and anticipating the fallout back in March.
re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg
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re: #261 Barefoot Grin
Not for me. It only works on Firefox in incognito. Might work in Safari, but it stopped working there for me only because my browser and OS are so out of date. So anything I click on here will show the first reference, but if it is a thread it won’t show anything else. Also, tweets embedded in tweets no longer show content for me here. So if it’s something like a Rex Chapman tweet, I’ll see his commentary but not what he’s retweeting.
Hmmm. What I was talking about was for when you’re looking at a twitter page (e.g. twitter.com). For an lgf page, you need to reload any post you want to see in full or link to since Charles did his magic to keep our browsers from choking on all the bloated tweets. If I do that, I can see the embedded tweets and click on the tweet to get to the twitter page. (And if I do it in Chrome, I can’t get past that first twitter page, but I can in Firefox or Safari.)
re: #286 Barefoot Grin
sorry BG its just that everything is in disarray and we all are trying to find some solid ground…
Hell, Afghanistan wasn’t a tribal backwater 45 years ago… it’s just watching the world change and that change essentially scares a whole lot of people who have a hard time keeping up. Seems that a lot of people of faith are caught up in this, folks who wear their religion as a shield rather than as a foundation on how to treat and deal with people (the old testament vs the new testament types) and how that isn’t even confined to Christianity.
When those kinds of foundations and cultural underpinnings get challenged, people get scared and lash out and it accounts for a shitpotfull of tragedy as it all unfolds.
I didn’t mean to come in and start whitesplaining…. just seems these days that the only people who have any agency are the ones who understand context and everyone else is just a glorified quacking duck (see Tapper, Jake)
re: #280 piratedan
I’d say we did a pretty decent job of not turning them into us.
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— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) August 18, 2021
I’m going to keep saying this, as soon as TFG realized that he lost the election (and HE KNOWS THAT HE LOST, the never-ending EELEKSHUN FRAWDZ!!!1!!1! is just a continuation of TEH GRIFTS!!) he turned his entire attention to HOW MUCH SHIT CAN I FUCK UP FOR JOE BIDEN. He was planning this clusterfuck in Afghanistan, including blocking the Biden transition team, for the entire “transition” period. That’s the cherry on the Fucked Up Shit Cake which also includes the Capital Coup Souffle.
re: #288 Dangerman
considering how much time and trouble it takes for my company to acquire a new hospital and integrate it into our corporate structure and if we accept the information that has been referred to by the Biden team when they came on board with what 45 had done with the Taliban, I gotta believe 46 was looking to try and exit as gracefully as possible and trying to account for all of the folks who helped us while we were there. I still believe that a hollowed out state dept had a huge impact on getting the logistics in place and once the word leaked out that the US was trying to locate those folks and extract them, the Government in Place took it upon themselves to treat that as the penny that dropped and activated their get out of dodge contingency planning.
Reading further that 45 did NOT include the government in place (in either the US OR Afghanistan) with his conversations with the Taliban and the guys in charge in Afghanistan figured accurately that they were being sold out, hence why they bolted and took what they could carry.
re: #261 Barefoot Grin
Not for me. It only works on Firefox in incognito. Might work in Safari, but it stopped working there for me only because my browser and OS are so out of date. So anything I click on here will show the first reference, but if it is a thread it won’t show anything else. Also, tweets embedded in tweets no longer show content for me here. So if it’s something like a Rex Chapman tweet, I’ll see his commentary but not what he’s retweeting.
I am close to current on Safari, and it doesn’t work for me, as you say.
re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth
thread with receipts:
Mo Brooks is Filth, Walking. Barry Moore is just a newly-minted idiot.
re: #296 retired cynic
I am close to current on Safari, and it doesn’t work for me, as you say.
This is definitely a Jack thing and not a Charles thing.
Larry David ‘screamed’ at Alan Dershowitz over Trump support in Martha’s Vineyard grocery store: reporthttps://t.co/n69nPgp8LL
— Raw Story (@RawStory) August 18, 2021
Everyone who’s been talking about lack of nation-building, and other related topics:
I refer you to Maj Gen Smedley Butler, a marine with two congressional medals of honor, the guy the fascist conspiracy tried to recruit to lead their coup against FDR (he turned them in)…
AL NG Sergeant deployed to the SW border mission. Dead of CV19.
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