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1 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:19:20pm

PP: Sliding scale gynecological services. The PILL. A very easy place for a woman to go.

These people suck.

2 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:28:17pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

PP: Sliding scale gynecological services. The PILL. A very easy place for a woman to go.

These people suck.

Exactly. That was the sort of thing I had in mind. Sliding scale care that covers FAR more than abortion. Abortions aren’t even AVAILABLE at all locations, either. Wiki:

PPFA is a federation of 89 independent Planned Parenthood affiliates around the United States. These affiliates together operate 850 locations, offering a variety of information and procedures to more than three million people, including: contraceptives (birth control); emergency contraception; screening for breast, cervical and testicular cancers; pregnancy testing and pregnancy options counseling; testing and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases; comprehensive sexuality education, menopause treatments; vasectomies, tubal ligations, and abortion. Not all procedures are available at all locations.

Planned parenthood is a feminist and prochoice organisation in the real sense of prochoice and feminist: it seeks to ensure that all women have access to control over all aspects of their reproductive lives and reproductive health, and it works to provide all women with the information and resources they need for that health care.

Planned Parenthood describes itself as “the nation’s leading sexual and reproductive health care advocate and provider.” In 2007, contraception constituted 36% of total services, STI/STD testing and treatment constituted 31%, cancer testing and screening constituted 17%; other women’s health procedures, including pregnancy, prenatal, midlife, and infertility were 11%, and approximately 3% of total procedures involved surgical and medical abortions

The war on planned parenthood disgusts me.

3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:28:46pm

I’m sure most here already know, but for anyone who doesn’t, The American Center for Law and Justice is a Pat Robertson joint.

4 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:30:13pm

re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth

I’m sure most here already know, but for anyone who doesn’t, The American Center for Law and Justice is a Pat Robertson joint.

Excellent catch.

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:31:34pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

I knew I had heard of it somewhere before. Back in the day, I used to watch The 700 Club for the lulz.

6 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:35:19pm

re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth

I knew I had heard of it somewhere before. Back in the day, I used to watch The 700 Club for the lulz.

Thank you!
There are loads of links and dirt on them over at RWW too. I havent had a chance to dig into them yet. I have to say when I saw this story I was just thrown for a loop and all I did was post it. Wow. Too freaked out even to go retrieve that info on what PP’s services actually are.

7 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:38:02pm

re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth

I’m sure most here already know, but for anyone who doesn’t, The American Center for Law and Justice is a Pat Robertson joint.

I didn’t know. Thx.

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:42:20pm

re: #6 iceweasel

Yeah, it’s a bizarre story. How would people react if a Jewish or Muslim bus driver refused to take someone to IHOP because they serve bacon there?

Not a very good analogy, I know. Perhaps even a crappy one. Still, it’s just as absurd.

9 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:47:44pm

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, it’s a bizarre story. How would people react if a Jewish or Muslim bus driver refused to take someone to IHOP because they serve bacon there?

Not a very good analogy, I know. Perhaps even a crappy one. Still, it’s just as absurd.

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No, that’s good— I was trying to come up with an analogy like that but I was so angry, and I reckoned if I did I’d do it badly and it could detract from the point of the post (people would get their outrage on over that).

Imagine an atheist busdriver who won’t shuttle people to religious worship, or a vegetarian driver who won’t take you to a restaurant, or a Democrat who won’t take you to the GOP convention. It’s absurd!
No one would ever pretend there were conscience clause exemptions for those, the whole idea would be laughable. But here?

And let’s not even speak of the foaming rage and froth that would occur in some quarters if Muslims won the right to take a day off work for a holiday— oh hey, that does happen. Just rubbish.

10 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:52:48pm

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

SB!! When did you make that your avatar link? Or had you earlier and I’ve forgotten?
That is one of my alltime favourite movies and my favourite scene. ;)

11 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:55:37pm

re: #9 iceweasel

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No, that’s good— I was trying to come up with an analogy like that but I was so angry, and I reckoned if I did I’d do it badly and it could detract from the point of the post (people would get their outrage on over that).

Imagine an atheist busdriver who won’t shuttle people to religious worship, or a vegetarian driver who won’t take you to a restaurant, or a Democrat who won’t take you to the GOP convention. It’s absurd!
No one would ever pretend there were conscience clause exemptions for those, the whole idea would be laughable. But here?

And let’s not even speak of the foaming rage and froth that would occur in some quarters if Muslims won the right to take a day off work for a holiday— oh hey, that does happen. Just rubbish.

By the way, the examples I gave here don’t even cover the sheer ridiculousness of the guy’s position either— given that abortions are only 3 percent of PP’s services, and not even performed at every location, a better analogy would be a Democrat driver who said, y’know, it’s the week before election day and you look like you might be going to that neighborhood to canvass for the GOP. Who can say? Just a feeling I have, I can’t take you.

12 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:57:56pm

re: #10 iceweasel

Hmm… Maybe a month or so ago. It is a great movie, and that scene pwns! It doesn’t hurt that Christopher Lee is also a bad-ass.

“I have heard of Evolution. It’s… it’s immoral”. Ugh.

Sadly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

13 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:00:25pm

Of course they’re trying to write this up as him being fired for his “pro-life views.” He wasn’t fired for his pro-life views. He was fired for refusing to provide a service for which he was hired to do. He is free to keep his pro-life views but not while he is employed as a bus driver for Capital Area Rural Transportation System. Had he not been fired than the woman in question could have sued Capital Area Rural Transportation System for refusing to provide her service because of religious reason as interpreted by the bus driver, Edwin Graning.

A remediation is pretty simple in this matter. He can be offered his job back and return to where he stood regarding accrued time with his promise not to refuse service to anyone regardless of his religious beliefs. This is especially true because CARTS is a public transportation system:

The Capital Area Rural Transportation System, or CARTS, is a Rural Transit District formed through interlocal agreement by nine county governments in the seventy-five hundred square mile region surrounding the Texas capital city.

The ACLJ has no case unless the agree that their client, Edwin Graning, will adhere to common sense and transport any an all passengers to where they desire regardless of his religious beliefs.

Case closed.

14 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:04:03pm

re: #12 Slumbering Behemoth

Hmm… Maybe a month or so ago. It is a great movie, and that scene pwns! It doesn’t hurt that Christopher Lee is also a bad-ass.

“I have heard of Evolution. It’s… it’s immoral”. Ugh.

Sadly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Got that right. :( Updated the post to h/t you btw in case people don’t read the comment thread. (i tweeted it)

15 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:08:41pm

re: #13 Gus 802

Of course they’re trying to write this up as him being fired for his “pro-life views.” He wasn’t fired for his pro-life views. He was fired for refusing to provide a service for which he was hired to do.

Great post, thanks. This is exactly their strategy every single time: spin their bullshit into a fake ‘war on christians’ or claim they’re being discriminated against— every single time they are not allowed to impose their views on others, receive special treatment and special protection for their desire to impose their beliefs on others.

it’s sickening. And it is exactly the same mindset that is shrieking that civil right groups and those who call out racism are the real racists, etc. Breitblart: I’m the victim here! and so on. Ugh.

16 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:11:06pm

Talk about a misleading headline:

Did Abortion Views Lead to Firing? [Cached Link]

Here, the ACLJ site basically cut and paste from an Austin area news site. The argument the ACLJ is making? That the employer violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which “prohibits discrimination by covered employers on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin”.

Anyone with half a brain can see that he was fired for refusing to do his job, and not because of his religion.

If Graning is an ordained minister I am sure that was not a secret to his employers who, if as the ACLJ claims fired him for his religious beliefs, would have fired him long before this incident.

17 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:11:19pm

re: #15 iceweasel

Great post, thanks. This is exactly their strategy every single time: spin their bullshit into a fake ‘war on christians’ or claim they’re being discriminated against— every single time they are not allowed to impose their views on others, receive special treatment and special protection for their desire to impose their beliefs on others.

it’s sickening. And it is exactly the same mindset that is shrieking that civil right groups and those who call out racism are the real racists, etc. Breitblart: I’m the victim here! and so on. Ugh.

They’re just trying to politicize it even though it doesn’t make sense to anyone that’s observant. Which is almost the same case with Breitbart’s little stunt which I saw through the minute I finished watching that propaganda video of his.

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:14:44pm

re: #13 Gus 802

The ACLJ has no case unless the agree that their client, Edwin Graning, will adhere to common sense and transport any an all passengers to where they desire regardless of his religious beliefs.

“But, but, but… My precious persecution meme… you eated it!

19 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:17:09pm

re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth


If Graning is an ordained minister I am sure that was not a secret to his employers who, if as the ACLJ claims fired him for his religious beliefs, would have fired him long before this incident.

Excellent post, thanks. You know, there’s also a whoooole lot of variety in what counts as an ‘ordained minister’.

The Universal Life Church will make me one free online in five minutes.

Ok, I just looked at their tenets:

The ULC has no traditional doctrine, believing as an organization merely in doing “that which is right.” Each individual has the privilege and responsibility to determine what is right for him or her as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. The Church does not stand between the member and their God(s).

The ULC’s stated beliefs are as follows:

* Objective: Eternal Progression.
* Goal: A Fuller Life for Everyone.
* Slogan: To Live and Help Live.
* Maxim: “We Are One.”[2]

That’s it. I’m doing it. /

20 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:19:37pm

re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth

Talk about a misleading headline:

Did Abortion Views Lead to Firing? [Cached Link]

Here, the ACLJ site basically cut and paste from an Austin area news site. The argument the ACLJ is making? That the employer violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which “prohibits discrimination by covered employers on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin”.

Anyone with half a brain can see that he was fired for refusing to do his job, and not because of his religion.

If Graning is an ordained minister I am sure that was not a secret to his employers who, if as the ACLJ claims fired him for his religious beliefs, would have fired him long before this incident.

Here you go:

@ eeoc.gov

DEFINITIONS
SEC. 2000e. [Section 701]

(j) The term “religion” includes all aspects of religious observance and practice, as well as belief, unless an employer demonstrates that he is unable to reasonably accommodate to an employee’s or prospective employee’s religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer’s business.

The employer’s business is that of bus transportation. He was hired as a bus driver which includes medical transportation for the citizens of that area.

21 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:21:08pm

re: #19 iceweasel

* Objective: Eternal Progression.

That’s dirty secularist code for “Evolution”. Don’t do it Ice! You join up with them, and before you know it you’ll be questioning whether or not our nation was founded as a Judeo-Christian nation, and you know where that leads? That’s right, it leads to fucking for fun, and that’s just wrong.

22 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:23:16pm

re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth

That’s dirty secularist code for “Evolution”. Don’t do it Ice! You join up with them, and before you know it you’ll be questioning whether or not our nation was founded as a Judeo-Christian nation, and you know where that leads? That’s right, it leads to fucking for fun, and that’s just wrong.

You mean it’s the opposite of right? That’s where you’ll find me… ;)

I’m serious. I might just become an ordained minister in some free online thingie assuming it’s not affiliated with anything evil, just to mock Greater Wingnuttia out there.
Maybe I can be the first ordained minister in the church of spacejesus.

23 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:26:41pm

I just joined the church of Maynard G. Krebs Universalists. Part of our credo is to not work. It is our deepest religious belief to avoid all work as possible. I was recently hired by a firm as an engineer and on the first day after thanking them for hiring me I notified them that my religious beliefs are that I cannot work and they must accommodate me under the religious section of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. I told them I would require a private office with a love seat, flat screen TV, and a broadband internet connection as well as a wet bar.

//

24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:27:01pm

re: #22 iceweasel

If you really want to tweak their noses, announce that you’ll perform gay marriages at a deep discount.

25 Why I Never!  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 10:37:58pm

re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth

If you really want to tweak their noses, announce that you’ll perform gay marriages at a deep discount.

That goes without saying. ;)

26 Sionainn  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 8:49:38am

re: #1 Stanley Sea

PP: Sliding scale gynecological services. The PILL. A very easy place for a woman to go.

These people suck.

I used Planned Parenthood for exactly that reason for years when I was a younger woman with no insurance. I was able to get yearly Pap smears and birth control pills on a sliding scale. While there, I never saw anything that advertised abortions.

27 Why I Never!  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:33:17am

re: #26 Sionainn

I used Planned Parenthood for exactly that reason for years when I was a younger woman with no insurance. I was able to get yearly Pap smears and birth control pills on a sliding scale. While there, I never saw anything that advertised abortions.

Same here. When I was very young my job provided no health insurance that would cover birth control or pap smears. Yearly pap smears are essential for cancer screening. In fact if I remember rightly my local PP didn’t even perform abortions at all. The protesters would all amass outside a different and also local PP anyway on the weekends, and that was one reason why I went to the one I did. The alternative was walking past a few morons with ugly signs who would harass you for getting health care.

28 Why I Never!  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:38:36am

re: #23 Gus 802

I just joined the church of Maynard G. Krebs Universalists. Part of our credo is to not work. It is our deepest religious belief to avoid all work as possible. I was recently hired by a firm as an engineer and on the first day after thanking them for hiring me I notified them that my religious beliefs are that I cannot work and they must accommodate me under the religious section of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. I told them I would require a private office with a love seat, flat screen TV, and a broadband internet connection as well as a wet bar.

//


The Love Shack of the very reverend Gus802 is now open for business!1!


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