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1 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:23:33pm
Or that the people building the center set the fire themselves to make their opponents look like asshole criminals.


As if that ever really happens....
Oh wait. Here it is again.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

2 seopad  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:35:22pm

And happens here as well.....

A Muslim man charged with setting fire to a Marietta mosque may be in the country illegally, law enforcement officials confirmed Thursday.
Suspect in mosque arson could be in country illegally

3 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:39:21pm

re: #1 tradewind

As if that ever really happens...
Oh wait. Here it is again.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

LOL PUSHBACK

Just stop

4 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:40:15pm

re: #1 tradewind

As if that ever really happens...
Oh wait. Here it is again.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Therefore, this was obviously the work of a leftist, liberal, or Democrat.

re: #2 seopad

And happens here as well...

A Muslim man charged with setting fire to a Marietta mosque may be in the country illegally, law enforcement officials confirmed Thursday.
Suspect in mosque arson could be in country illegally

Therefore, this was obviously the work of an illegal Muslim.

Concern trolls are concerned.

5 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:44:16pm

re: #4 Gus 802

Therefore, this was obNviously the work of a leftist, liberal, or Democrat.

re: #2 seopad

Therefore, this was obviously the work of an illegal Muslim.

Concern trolls are concerned.

I don't see it as concerned, I see it as being too chickenshit to say what they really feel. But it shows.

6 samuraishake  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:55:42pm

#1 & 2: Both articles cited reference suspects, not evidence or convictions. Most importantly, no motive is mentioned either. Hardly qualifies as proof of anything.

7 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:56:24pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

I don't see it as concerned, I see it as being too chickenshit to say what they really feel. But it shows.

Down here in Tennessee. here's what you get when bigots and xenophobes wrap themselves in the Bible and say what they really feel:

Earlier this summer opponents criticized the planned mosque at hearings held by the Rutherford County Commission, as supporters held prayer vigils.

At one such prayer vigil, WTVF [our local CBS affiliate - ed.] reported opponents speaking out against construction.

"No mosque in Murfreesboro. I don't want it. I don't want them here," Evy Summers said to WTVF. "Go start their own country overseas somewhere. This is a Christian country. It was based on Christianity."

People like this make me ashamed to be anywhere near them...

8 JamesWI  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:57:50pm

Occam's razor, Mr./Ms. tradewind. Yes, it is certainly possible that it could have been an eeeevil lefty/Muslim saboteur trying to make right-wingers look bad.

But then you actually look at the situation. Where the anti-mosque people don't even have any argument comparable to the "sensitivity" argument against the mosque near ground zero. Where just about the entire point of their protests are that Islam is evil, that the center will be a "mothership" for terrorist activities, that it is a sign of radical Islamic "conquest" (because we all know, that the places near the top of the list for Islam to conquer are Murfreesboro, Temecula CA, and Sheboygan WI).

Ask yourself, which explanation is way more likely - people who openly hate Islam committing arson on the building-site of an Islamic Center, or the Muslims doing it themselves to show . . . what exactly? The opposition in Murfreesboro have already shown themselves to be bigots. The people building the center already have the land and the approval of the necessary gov't parties.

9 seopad  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:06:36pm

And how does Occam's razor explain this again?
http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/suspect-in-mosque-arson-566659.html

Seems like people should wait for the police to do their work before rushing to judgment with the bigot remarks. Otherwise they end up looking like....bigots themselves. Go figure.

10 seopad  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:09:40pm

Perhaps a little fact checking is in order?
http://www.aina.org/news/20100824205030.htm

11 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:11:37pm

re: #10 seopad

Ryan Mauro? That wingnut? You have a lot to learn around here. If you're even going to last.

12 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:12:13pm

Why are you posting links to unrelated articles? Is this the "throw shit against the wall and see if it sticks" approach?

13 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:19:26pm

re: #10 seopad

What facts? Coming from you, they're awfully slim...and I did notice you downdinging me on this thread.

/ohhh, my poor wittle feelings are wounded...not!

14 seopad  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:19:42pm

re: #12 Charles

Why are you posting links to unrelated articles? Is this the "throw shit against the wall and see if it sticks" approach?

Isn't that what the OP is guilty of itself? Marietta had a similar event and the left went ape-shit over placing blame on the right. Then after investigation they concluded it was a fellow mosque member.

Will there be a retraction here if this event turns out the same?

15 seopad  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:20:46pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Ryan Mauro? That wingnut? You have a lot to learn around here. If you're even going to last.

And yet the article is backed up with facts, but don't that get in the way.

16 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:30:19pm

re: #15 seopad

And yet the article is backed up with facts, but don't that get in the way.

So out of the 100s of hate crime cases one finds a couple of cases in which they were mere fabrications. Therefore, one uses that as a way of justifying their own bigotry against Muslims and anti-Muslim hate crimes. Based on a minority of reports. That's called prejudice and bigotry.

You obviously have an agenda since you registered today and stormed in here shooting from the hip. You agenda is clear.

17 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:32:52pm

re: #15 seopad

And yet the article is backed up with facts, but don't that get in the way.

It has a bunch of self-referential links, is that what you're calling "facts"?

And it has this assertion:

Individual Muslims then feel empowered to fabricate hate crimes in order to paint themselves as victims.

Is that what you call a "fact"?

18 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:33:55pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

It has a bunch of self-referential links, is that what you're calling "facts"?

And it has this assertion:

Is that what you call a "fact"?

I think that's what one would call "a bigoted fact".

19 seopad  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:36:15pm

re: #16 Gus 802

So out of the 100s of hate crime cases one finds a couple of cases in which they were mere fabrications. Therefore, one uses that as a way of justifying their own bigotry against Muslims and anti-Muslim hate crimes. Based on a minority of reports. That's called prejudice and bigotry.

You obviously have an agenda since you registered today and stormed in here shooting from the hip. You agenda is clear.

So then lets see the 100's of cases you speak of. Proof is in the pudding. Just as people here were all in a flutter over the Marietta fire, they are all over the Tenn fire. How ignorant those people are when the truth smacks them in the face.

20 seopad  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:38:03pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

Those links to other news articles and reports??? Yes that would be the FACTS part. Not a hard concept to grasp for some. Others not so much apparently.

21 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:39:58pm

re: #20 seopad

Those links to other news articles and reports??? Yes that would be the FACTS part. Not a hard concept to grasp for some. Others not so much apparently.

Did you look up "self-referential"? If not, may I suggest you do so now?

22 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:40:18pm

re: #19 seopad

So then lets see the 100's of cases you speak of. Proof is in the pudding. Just as people here were all in a flutter over the Marietta fire, they are all over the Tenn fire. How ignorant those people are when the truth smacks them in the face.

My, aren't we defensive about anti-Muslim bigots. I wonder why that is.

23 JamesWI  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:53:01pm

re: #14 seopad

Isn't that what the OP is guilty of itself? Marietta had a similar event and the left went ape-shit over placing blame on the right. Then after investigation they concluded it was a fellow mosque member.

Will there be a retraction here if this event turns out the same?

No, what I am guilty of is predicting that, like any other situation where something might make the right-wing look bad, be it the many hateful/racist/birther/idiotic signs at Tea Parties, the cabbie stabbing, the Mosque-urinator, or anything else, people on the right will immediately scream "LEFTIST PLANT!!!" without any evidence one way or the other.

And you came in to immediately prove me right.

24 simoom  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:54:23pm

re: #1 tradewind

As if that ever really happens...
Oh wait. Here it is again.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

re: #2 seopad

And happens here as well...

A Muslim man charged with setting fire to a Marietta mosque may be in the country illegally, law enforcement officials confirmed Thursday.
Suspect in mosque arson could be in country illegally

Instead of insinuating things with completely unrelated articles, why not take a look at a summary of the actual environment in which this arson took place? Here's a decent write-up with photos of previous vandalism at the site, vandalism at other Tennessee mosques, and an earlier Tennessee Mosque arson (where a white supremacist was recently convicted in the molotov cocktail attack):
[Link: beforeitsnews.com...]

And here's an ABC News piece on the extremely ugly County Commission meeting, that paints a picture of the religious intolerance and bigotry poisoning atmosphere there:
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

25 simoom  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:59:35pm

Another, longer article on that nasty County Commission meeting:

[Link: www.tennessean.com...]

MURFREESBORO — Plans for a new Islamic center south of Murfreesboro have some residents denouncing the Muslim religion and others calling the dispute one of the ugliest displays of religious intolerance in the county's history.

Questions of whether the public was given adequate notice about the proposed mosque and community center off Bradyville Pike quickly turned into attacks on the Muslim faith during the public comment portion of Thursday's Rutherford County Commission meeting.

"Everybody knows they are trying to kill us," Karen Harrell said. "People are really concerned about this. Somebody has to stand up and take this country back."

...

26 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:08:31pm

From the article at the link:

The center had operated for years out of a small business suite. Planning members said the new building, which was being constructed next to a church, would help accommodate the area's growing Muslim community.

"We unfortunately did not experience hostilities for the 30 years we've been here and have only seen the hostility since approval of the site plan for the new center," said Sbenaty.

They've already been there for 30 years? In that 30 year period, have the residents of Murfreesboro seen any evidence of terrorism or Muslims killing "us" as claimed by Karen Harrell? (see simoom's #25 above).

I think we would have heard about it.

So, why, exactly, are the citizens of Murfreesboro now suddenly disturbed by the building of an Islamic Center, when one has been in their midst for 30 years already with nothing happening?

27 captdiggs  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:11:34pm

When people start using a member's name at an attempted ad hominem in their article posting it's a sure sign they've lost the argument.

And you have, in case you didn't notice.
For one thing this is all related to the NYC mosque debate, which has turned into a smear campaign against the 70% of Americans who feel the location is wrong. For another, that same 70% don't buy the "Islamophobia" argument, which is really nothing more than attempt to stifle debate.
Despite all this, only some 22% of Americans feel the location is not a problem.
Everyone's a nazi now, Irshad Manji, Wafa Sultan, Krauthammer, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Wallid Phares...along with a few hundred million other "bigots" here in the US.

Now, to address your actual nonsense:

I thought captdiggs... said Islamophobia/hate crime isn't a problem?

1) I never said that
2) I have pointed out via facts that the data shows that other groups in the US suffer far more from hate and hate crimes.

All true hate crimes are an anathema to me personally and to Americans culturally.

28 jaunte  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:18:41pm

re: #27 captdiggs

For one thing this is all related to the NYC mosque debate, which has turned into a smear campaign against the 70% of Americans who feel the location is wrong.


It's not a smear to say that conflating every mosque with the actions of Islamist terrorists is simpleminded prejudice.

29 captdiggs  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:29:02pm

re: #28 jaunte

It's not a smear to say that conflating every mosque with the actions of Islamist terrorists is simpleminded prejudice.

Nor is it phobic to be suspicious, considering that there have been numerous terror plots originating in mosques in the west ( inclusive of the US), when numerous Islamic "charities" have been raided by the FBI and board members tried and convicted on terrorism charges, when the most prominent muslim organizations ( ie. CAIR) have been named unindicted co-conspirators in terror cases and have had members imprisoned on terror charges....then such suspicions are not phobic.

That being said, the firebombing of a mosque or other acts of violence should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

30 Vambo  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:32:46am

re: #27 captdiggs


1) I never said that
2) I have pointed out via facts that the data shows that other groups in the US suffer far more from hate and hate crimes.

yah, you kinda did:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The point would be that the hysteria about "islamophobia" is way overblown.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"Islamophobia" is now a left wing talking point.
It's almost become a phobia of its own.

Your "decline in hate crimes" claim was already proven wrong in the last thread, when someone pointed out your data was from 2008. But whatever, if there's anything I've learned since Obama's election, it's that there's never a truth too big for a wingnut to ignore.

31 jaunte  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 1:22:24pm

re: #29 captdiggs

Go to the next step after suspicion. Are you saying that every Muslim in the U.S. is suspicious, or is there some distinction that you think we should draw between people plotting a crime/act of war, and people simply practicing a minority religion? If we are to suspect and investigate any and every Muslim or mosque, how does that square with the Constitutional protections of religion?


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