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1 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 6:03:40am

Not this shit again…

Is it weird I first read the organization as the Bigoted Law Commission.

2 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 6:44:58am

Isn’t it amazing how differences of opinion and inconvenient facts form an act of treason for these nuts? I wonder if they sometimes fantasize about killing Sir Isaac Newton because gravity is just such a pain?

3 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 8:31:35am

Crazy Crazy Birthers.

4 Gepetto  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 10:23:34am

Not a problem, really, and a good opportunity to put these questions to rest. I guess I don’t see a problem with routinely qualifying candidates. the qualification questions are easy to answer, any discrepancies should be easily resolved. What is the issue here?

5 Lidane  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 10:26:54am

re: #4 Gepetto

The issue is that birthers are racist idiots. President Obama firmly settled the question of his citizenship years ago. He even released his long-form birth certificate, which didn’t offer any more detailed information than the one we’ve seen since 2008.

He doesn’t need to dignify this crap anymore, and trying to remove a sitting POTUS from the ballot over something that got settled ages ago is just fail.

6 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 10:33:05am

re: #4 Gepetto

Not a problem, really, and a good opportunity to put these questions to rest. I guess I don’t see a problem with routinely qualifying candidates. the qualification questions are easy to answer, any discrepancies should be easily resolved. What is the issue here?

Can you clarify 2 points?

1. What unclarified questions do you mean? Because the question of Obama’s eligibility was decided in 2008, after he released his birth certificate.

2. What exactly do you mean by a good opportunity? A trial? Or something else?

7 labman57  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 10:58:36am

Would not be surprised to learn that mental health professionals decide to categorize birtherism as yet another form of OCD.

8 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 11:34:27am

re: #4 Gepetto

The “issue” of his nationality has been settle since he announced his candidacy for President. It’s only an issue to the xenophobes and racists who can’t get past the thought of a man of African decent, spent several years of his life overseas, and a darker skin color has been chosen by his own citizens to lead their country after 42 white different men have been elected prior.

President Barrack Hussein Obama was born on Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. His birth mother was an American citizen. One or the other (as well as both) are enough to be eligible for the Presidency/Vice Presidency. President Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

Orly Taitz and her supporters are racists. There’s no other reason to be pursuing this nonsense this much with so much energy.

9 thecommodore  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 11:39:49am

re: #8 commadore183

President Barrack Hussein Obama was born on Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. His birth mother was an American citizen. One or the other (as well as both) are enough to be eligible for the Presidency/Vice Presidency. President Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

Well there seems to be a growing trend towards birthers to now say that Obama is not a natural born citizen even if (or though) he was born in this country because his father was not a US citizen. They cite four Supreme Court cases - all laughably because mass cherry picking took place - that they say definitive defines “natural born citizen” as someone born on US soil to two citizen parents.

I would love to play poker against bithers, because they just don’t know when to fold ‘em.

Nice handle, BTW. :)

10 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 11:47:42am

re: #9 thecommodore

Well there seems to be a growing trend towards birthers to now say that Obama is not a natural born citizen even if (or though) he was born in this country because his father was not a US citizen. They cite four Supreme Court cases - all laughably because mass cherry picking took place - that they say definitive defines “natural born citizen” as someone born on US soil to two citizen parents.

I would love to play poker against bithers, because they just don’t know when to fold ‘em.

Nice handle, BTW. :)

Well, of course they’ll move the goalposts, that’s what happens when xenophobia and racism clouds the mind (look at the Shrieking Harpy for an example).

From what I understand, so long as one birth parent has US citizenship, any child born would automatically attain citizenship (but I am most likely wrong on that).

And yes, it is a nice handle, despite mangling the spelling hehehe. At least they can’t confuse us!

11 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:04:53pm

So that’s where the New Hampshire klansmen went, noted

12 Lidane  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:08:30pm

re: #9 thecommodore

They cite four Supreme Court cases - all laughably because mass cherry picking took place - that they say definitive defines “natural born citizen” as someone born on US soil to two citizen parents.

Millions of military brats in this country would disagree. So would anyone with a legal immigrant parent who still had their citizenship from another country.

Birthers are just a bunch of racist tools. What a bunch of malarkey.

13 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:31:53pm

re: #9 thecommodore

Well there seems to be a growing trend towards birthers to now say that Obama is not a natural born citizen even if (or though) he was born in this country because his father was not a US citizen. They cite four Supreme Court cases - all laughably because mass cherry picking took place - that they say definitive defines “natural born citizen” as someone born on US soil to two citizen parents.

I would love to play poker against bithers, because they just don’t know when to fold ‘em.

Nice handle, BTW. :)

If they’re citing his father not being a US citizen then they. Obama’s not the first president to have a parent who was not a citizen. And Lidane’s right. The birthers are nothng but bigots.

14 blueraven  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:09:16pm

re: #4 Gepetto

Not a problem, really, and a good opportunity to put these questions to rest. I guess I don’t see a problem with routinely qualifying candidates. the qualification questions are easy to answer, any discrepancies should be easily resolved. What is the issue here?

The issue here is people like you. People like you who think they are being reasonable…showing concern, just asking questions…blah,blah,blah

You sir, are the problem.

15 thecommodore  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:44:58pm

re: #12 Lidane

Birthers are just a bunch of racist tools. What a bunch of malarkey.

Indeed, among the USSC cases they’ve cited in support of the supposed “two citizen parent rule,” are Dred Scott…which essentially said that slaves (blacks) are property.

By the way, if you’re curious, or just a sort of birther geek like I am, The Obama Conspiracy is a fun website to visit. “Dr. Conspiracy” has done yeoman’s work in debunking just about all of the conspiracy theories involving Barack Obama, not just the birther ones, and he debunks just about all of them. Check it out.

16 Gepetto  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 2:41:16pm

re: #14 blueraven

The issue here is people like you. People like you who think they are being reasonable…showing concern, just asking questions…blah,blah,blah

You sir, are the problem.

I really don’t understand what the New Hampshire people are screaming about. His certificate was shown on the internet before the election, and then a more detailed one was released after trumps yowling. So you show it again to the new hampshire screamers if thats the proper procedure. if the secretary of state accepts the qualifications, its case closed. the SOS accepted it last time, why would anyone think history has changed? the rest of the stuff is just noise. Seems like he’s of age, and a citizen, and born here, so what is the issue?

17 Gepetto  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 2:49:59pm

re: #6 Sergey Romanov

Can you clarify 2 points?

1. What unclarified questions do you mean? Because the question of Obama’s eligibility was decided in 2008, after he released his birth certificate.

2. What exactly do you mean by a good opportunity? A trial? Or something else?

1. thats what I thought. is this new round of howling because history is different from then?
2. as far as i know, the basis for qualification has not changed for anyone. But, if the requalification is routine for incumbents as well as “new” candidates, then just do it. I assume Bush had to requalify for his second run. I assume everyone has had to requalify for a second run. if they did not have to requalify, then it is ridiculous that Obama would have to. I wonder if every race is considered “new” and everyone has to re-do their paperwork?

18 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 3:54:00pm

re: #17 Gepetto

The requalification is not routine.

Are you just massively ignorant on a wide range of subjects? Is that the deal?

19 Gepetto  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 6:11:15pm

re: #18 Obdicut

The requalification is not routine.

Are you just massively ignorant on a wide range of subjects? Is that the deal?

of course i am massively ignorant on a wide range of subjects, that describes the general human condition. what a ridiculous question.

however, a quick trip around most SOS websites seems to contradict your massively informed opinion. Looks like the requirements for the nomination and certification to appear on a ballot are the same for incumbents and new candidates, and it is routine. So whats the fuss? I still don’t understand what the screaming in New Hampshire is about. If he was certified last time, he will be certified this time.

20 Lidane  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 6:17:54pm

re: #19 Gepetto

The fuss is simple. These racist idiots are protesting Obama even being the President at all, and they’re trying anything they can to get him out of office.

The question of his qualifications was settled years ago. At this point, only a fucking moron or a racist douche believes he is ineligible for the office, given the number of background checks and security clearances a President has to have. These birther morons just can’t admit the truth. Barack Obama is a citizen, and as the incumbent, he is qualified to run for office again.

21 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 6:26:09pm

re: #19 Gepetto

You do know that playing dumb has the side effect of making you look dumb, right? It’s in the name.

22 Gepetto  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 7:04:28pm

re: #20 Lidane

The fuss is simple. These racist idiots are protesting Obama even being the President at all, and they’re trying anything they can to get him out of office.

The question of his qualifications was settled years ago. At this point, only a fucking moron or a racist douche believes he is ineligible for the office, given the number of background checks and security clearances a President has to have. These birther morons just can’t admit the truth. Barack Obama is a citizen, and as the incumbent, he is qualified to run for office again.

yes yes, i got all of that. I read the OP and cannot discern from it the specifics of the “new” complaints . I’ve heard of this crew, I thought their arguments have been tossed every time. so my question stands. what “new” arguments are they making that have NH politicians hollering? he was certified before, no hollering. served a term by the next election. he’ll be certified again. what has changed in this and why holler now?

23 Gepetto  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 8:00:09pm

re: #21 Obdicut

You do know that playing dumb has the side effect of making you look dumb, right? It’s in the name.

and you understand that accusing an “idiot” (who has admitted to being “massively ignorant”) of “playing dumb” belies a certain amount of intellectual instability,right? pick an insult and stick with it.

24 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 21, 2011 2:38:51am

re: #23 Gepetto

What is ‘intellectual instability’?


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