re: #221 Jaerik

I said that the use of torture to protect America, arguably invalidates the idea of America, and thus becomes philosophically self-defeating

Your original made it sound as if this was something totally new, totally out of the ordinary and had never happened in our history

You were the one that jumped up and argued it was perhaps necessary in the past, and even cited examples of where it was potentially justifiable

Correct, I stated historical examples to show you that this is NOT a “new” thing for countries, including this one, at times of war