Here’s Pat Buchanan on MSNBC, using Nazi terminology to describe Israel’s actions in Gaza.
Speaking of Buchanan, when he isn’t flirting with Holocaust revisionism or appearing on neo-Nazi radio shows, he makes plans and alliances with Eurofascists like Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke of the Belgian Vlaams Belang.
Just like some deluded “anti-jihad” bloggers do.
Here they are, meeting in 2007:
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smokefire Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:35:46am |
...............just another old Jew Hater.
Pat, please JUST SHUT UP.
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96RoadKing Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:35:58am |
Pat,
There's a time to just shut up. Your time has come.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:36:03am |
Shut up Pat!
This week he was praising Obama's cabinet picks as a bunch of Moderates.
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Athos Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:37:11am |
Frankly, the only comment for neo-fascist Pat should be - GAZE
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96RoadKing Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:37:14am |
I wonder if Pat's starting to suffer from on-set Dementia, or if he's just trying to stay 'relevant'..
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VegasRick Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:38:09am |
I've learned a lot here at LGF. The #1 thing I learned is that PB is a real POS scumbag.
(apologies to all POS scumbags around the world)
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Bloodnok Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:38:13am |
re: #3 96RoadKing
Pat,
There's a time to just shut up. Your time has come.
(Post #3 backdated Jan. 1992)
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DistantThunder Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:38:22am |
When the libs lost McCain as the "maverick" they dug up Buchanan. Crawl back under your rock. Bay, can't you rein in your deranged brother? Help a country out here.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:38:49am |
I never paid a whit of attention to Pat Buchannan until I found LGF. Never realized what a racist Jew hater he was. Thanks, Charles for the education. This man is a complete and utter disgrace. Pathetic.
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AmeriDan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:38:55am |
I guess Pat hasn't been watching the GazaCam.
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:39:28am |
I'm reminded of someone who used to post here whose nic was "Bat Puchanan".
(Truly memorable.)
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prince of dorkness Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:39:54am |
Has he been hanging around with Jimmuh Carter again?
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:40:53am |
What really pisses me off about this tired fool, is he is who the media holds up as an example of social conservatism! Bullsh*t! He is merely another bigot with an obvious agenda that cares for no one unless they look like him and believe exactly as he does.
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vagabond trader Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:40:54am |
Another washed up politico wannabee who blames the Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos for its inadequacies.
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jemima Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:41:39am |
Hating evil isn't a bad thing. It clarifies life for you.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:41:41am |
re: #7 96RoadKing
I wonder if Pat's starting to suffer from on-set Dementia, or if he's just trying to stay 'relevant'..
If he is trying to stay relevant, he should give it up. He lost relevance long ago. ;-)>
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:41:44am |
re: #11 CapeCoddah
I never paid a whit of attention to Pat Buchannan until I found LGF. Never realized what a racist Jew hater he was. Thanks, Charles for the education. This man is a complete and utter disgrace. Pathetic.
I knew about Buchanan when the late William F. Buckley called Buchanan out for his Jew-hatred. But I wasn't aware to what degree ol' Peanut Jimmy Carter was a disgrace until LGF.
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Devil's Advocate Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:41:46am |
Get Started Making YouTube Videos to Spread Your Message.
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96RoadKing Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:41:50am |
Wasn't Pat's high tide mark when he was a speachwriter for Agnew?
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jaunte Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:42:40am |
Pat forgot to condemn Egypt for keeping the southern border of Gaza closed. Doesn't fit the story he wants to tell.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:42:53am |
pamela's friend, mr. dewinter, sure has interesting associates for a supporter of Israel- pat buchanan, david duke, jean-marie le pen. But if she says he's a friend of Israel, then I guess it's as believable as Paul Martin vouching for cnn's video.
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:43:12am |
Pat is a perfect example of a person who claims to be on the right that should be denied admittance to even the biggest tent from either side, although the left might want to send him a thank you card.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:43:36am |
What happened to Tucker Carlson - the MSM's last 'conservative" lovechild?
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billhedrick Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:43:59am |
Old Joke warning:
You gotta cut Pat some slack, after all he had a relative die in Dachau... His uncle fell out of a guard tower.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:44:00am |
re: #21 96RoadKing
Wasn't Pat's high tide mark when he was a speachwriter for Agnew?
wonder if he "got milk"? ;-)>
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:44:14am |
Hey Pat, how about explain this? Hamas rigging schools for explosives, using them as ammo dumps, and rigging the fuse for one such school from a zoo. Yeah, that's who you're supporting in this war.
This is the only acceptable Nazi imagery. Hamas rallies, much like those of Hizbullah and Iranian military processions have quite a bit in common with Hitler, to say nothing of their genocidal rhetoric. Or are you going to ignore that too Pat? Hitler would be proud of the obfuscation and moral equivalence you vomit on a daily basis - attacking Israel's rights to go after terrorists who think nothing of human rights and all those Gazans. To Hamas, people are cannon fodder - statistics that they can trot out against Israel. Dead children are props to be manipulated by the Palestinian propaganda machine, which is facilitated by the very media outlets claiming to cover the war. These same outlets don't question their sources, take videos at face value regardless of the impossibility of what is alleged therein, and then claim that Israel is engaging in terrorism, genocide, holocaust, or concentration camps?
You, along with all others who engage in such language do so on purpose to debase the language and to delegitimize Israel, its raison d'etre, and its response to incessant terrorism.
You are evil for having sided with the genocidal terrorists of Hamas.
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:44:18am |
I like Sean Hannity. Unless he is one of the greatest actors, he seems like a very decent good guy.
I am upset that he continues to respectfully deal with Buchanan, never confronting him for his rabid anti Semitism.
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:44:53am |
Could have gone the rest of the day without seeing Buchanan.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:45:16am |
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:45:25am |
Pat Buchanan Accuses Israel of 'Blitzkrieg'
/couldn't tell by watching Gazacam, the battle for Stalingrad it's not
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Shay4l Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:45:31am |
re: #15 Outrider
What really pisses me off about this tired fool, is he is who the media holds up as an example of social conservatism! Bullsh*t! He is merely another bigot with an obvious agenda that cares for no one unless they look like him and believe exactly as he does.
The only reason he is still in the public consciousness is because the Media scumbags love to trot him out when they wish to make conservatives look bad.
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:46:19am |
Hamas rockets and mortars never killed anyone?
Gee thanks Pat, how does it smell where you bury your head?
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gracie1 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:47:13am |
re: #15 Outrider
What really pisses me off about this tired fool, is he is who the media holds up as an example of social conservatism! Bullsh*t! He is merely another bigot with an obvious agenda that cares for no one unless they look like him and believe exactly as he does.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Can't have social conservatives in the public view who actually espouse decent viewpoints, now can we.
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:47:19am |
Pukeanan wants Israel to wait until a missle kills hundreds or thousands before it responds.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:47:21am |
Isn't there a pasture somewhere, preferably one on the edge of a very high cliff, to which this idiot can be put out?
Every time he opens his fool mouth the MSM props him up as a CONSERVATIVE SPOKESMAN and true conservatives get yet another black eye.
Buchanan is yet another "useful idiot".
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itellu3times Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:47:58am |
Don't much care what Pat says anymore, on any subject, but he is the very model of why they invented the term "beneath contempt".
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quickjustice Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:48:07am |
re: #30 Opinionated
Buchanan: the new Father Coughlin. Hannity continues to give him publicity because Buchanan does reflect the views of the old paleo-cons, who, with the single exception of Bill Buckley, were notorious anti-semites. Hannity is all about building listeners by having controversial figures on his show.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:48:27am |
re: #19 Dar ul Harb
I knew about Buchanan when the late William F. Buckley called Buchanan out for his Jew-hatred. But I wasn't aware to what degree ol' Peanut Jimmy Carter was a disgrace until LGF.
It was the opposite for me. Charles provides a better education than any college out there. Moonbat free.
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:48:43am |
Why is everyone concentrating on 'Blitzkrieg'. It pales next to the accusation that Israel is creating a Gaza "Concentration Camp"?
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AmeriDan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:49:49am |
re: #35 DEZes
They only fire Nuisance Bombs Of Peace at the Juice.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:50:14am |
re: #15 Outrider
What really pisses me off about this tired fool, is he is who the media holds up as an example of social conservatism! Bullsh*t! He is merely another bigot with an obvious agenda that cares for no one unless they look like him and believe exactly as he does.
Agree 100%. Add to that the fact that he does the same thing for Catholics as he does for Conservatives and you can see why I wish he would just STFU!
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:51:00am |
Pat Buchanan is a spokeman because David Duke was busy.
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:51:07am |
re: #42 Opinionated
Why is everyone concentrating on 'Blitzkrieg'. It pales next to the accusation that Israel is creating a Gaza "Concentration Camp"?
He tried to play that off, badly I might add.
Pat should just put on his arm band and be done with it.
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:51:12am |
re: #40 quickjustice
Buchanan: the new Father Coughlin. Hannity continues to give him publicity because Buchanan does reflect the views of the old paleo-cons, who, with the single exception of Bill Buckley, were notorious anti-semites. Hannity is all about building listeners by having controversial figures on his show.
Hannity challenges controversial figures.
Maybe I've missed it, but even a few days ago, driving, when I caught him interviewing Buchanan, he never mentions his rabid, repeat rabid, anti Semitism.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:52:14am |
re: #44 AmeriDan
They only fire Nuisance Bombs Of Peace at the Juice.
They being "inflamed moderates.
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:52:26am |
re: #49 Opinionated
Hannity challenges controversial figures.
Maybe I've missed it, but even a few days ago, driving, when I caught him interviewing Buchanan, he never mentions his rabid, repeat rabid, anti Semitism.
He hasn't challenged Fuchanan. He needs to.
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itellu3times Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:52:45am |
re: #40 quickjustice
Buchanan: the new Father Coughlin. Hannity continues to give him publicity because Buchanan does reflect the views of the old paleo-cons, who, with the single exception of Bill Buckley, were notorious anti-semites. Hannity is all about building listeners by having controversial figures on his show.
I think it's an overstatement to say that all the old paleo-cons were anti-semites.
The times were different, and I'm not aware that back in the day, they opposed Israel - oil not being such an issue say back circa 1970, or even after the first oil shock in 1974 and through the Reagan 80s.
That's sort of where the Vlams Belang seem to come down, isn't it, anti-semite but pro-Israel, in a paternalistic sort of way - or at least anti-Arab. In any case, Pat is worse, if I cared.
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:53:13am |
re: #44 AmeriDan
They only fire Nuisance Bombs Of Peace at the Juice.
Ah, I see, it was just a peace offering, like the fruit cake I got this Christmas.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:53:42am |
Lizardim -
Look at it this way - comments about "Blitzkreig" and "Concentration Camps" coming from PAT BUCHANAN just might be an endorsement f Israeli policy.
-S-
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:54:29am |
re: #48 DEZes
He tried to play that off, badly I might add.
Pat should just put on his arm band and be done with it.
Yeah. Very badly.
He also somehow forgot to mention that this Israeli made Concentration Camp has a door that leads to Egypt.
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freedombilly Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:55:00am |
Freedombilly Accuses Buchanan of 'Blitzkrieg' On the Truth
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Last Mohican Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:55:12am |
Please pardon my OT-ness... I'd like to quickly add a response to Mr. Martin's email.
As a patient remains in cardiac arrest for longer and longer periods of time, the likelihood of success of resuscitative efforts decreases. The efforts are discontinued, and the patient pronounced dead, when so much time has elapsed that the doctor in charge deems the likelihood of successful resuscitation to be effectively zero.
In my experience, when the patient's death would be especially tragic, either because the patient is young, or because he or she was otherwise healthy before the code and would have a good chance at living a long and healthy life if successfully resuscitated, doctors have a tendency to persist in their efforts for an especially long time. Frequently, long past the time when they recognize that their efforts are probably futile. However, regardless of their perceived futility of their efforts, no reasonable doctor would ever run a code in which a person merely pretended to do chest compressions without actually doing them, and made no attempt to ventilate the patient, unless this were being done for the purposes of providing a show for someone without medical expertise.
The death of any human being is tragic. The death of a child is particularly tragic, heartbreakingly so, particularly when it comes suddenly, and particularly for the family members who are present to witness it.
Though much of the analysis being presented here certainly comes off as mean-spirited, I, personally, have great sympathy for the family of Mahmoud Mashharawi, if indeed he has died recently. I have no reason to believe that he hasn't, and it's quite possible that the IDF was involved. It is understandable that, under these circumstances, Ashraf Mashharawi would be extremely upset and angry. Any brother would, and any actions that he takes in this setting should be interpreted accordingly. Nevertheless, it is he who has chosen to turn his brother's death into a public political message, one designed to have effects on the lives of others. And the terrible tragedy of a child's death cannot in any way alter the indisputable fact that the resuscitation scene shown by CNN and Channel 4 is utterly fake.
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:56:11am |
re: #55 Opinionated
Yeah. Very badly.
He also somehow forgot to mention that this Israeli made Concentration Camp has a door that leads to Egypt.
He forgot to mention that Egypt told 'em to run, they'd be going home in a few days. Then screwed up, shoved 'em in the camps for 60 years.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:56:50am |
re: #51 jcm
He hasn't challenged Fuchanan. He needs to.
I'm sorry, but IMHO Hannity is another one who needs to dial it back a notch. He relies too much on bluster and emotion and not enough on reason thus allowing the left to characterize all conservatives as hot-heads.
And he does need to confront Buchanan on his anti-semitism...
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:57:05am |
re: #55 Opinionated
Yeah. Very badly.
He also somehow forgot to mention that this Israeli made Concentration Camp has a door that leads to Egypt.
Opinionated -
That EGYPT keeps shut as to people if not goods for a very clear and convincing reason - HAMAS is the GAZA branch of the IKHWAN, as in those cuddly teddy bears that killed SADAT.
-S-
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DisturbedEma Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:57:16am |
re: #58 jcm
He forgot to mention that Egypt told 'em to run, they'd be going home in a few days. Then screwed up, shoved 'em in the camps for 60 years.
And has not once held any UN feet to the fire on the refugee question. . .Israel absorbed theirs. . .
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Perfectsense Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:58:15am |
Israel is not practicing Blitzkrieg (Lighting War).
During a Blitzkrieg, you do not phone civilians and tell them to evacuate.
During a Blitzkrieg, you do not supply the enemy with food, power and medical supplies.
I both Iraq wars, the USA practiced Blitzkrieg tactics which is a huge concentrations of armored vesicles rapidly sweeping around and cutting off enemy forces.
Israeli is using its armor to protect its infantry during probing actions.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:59:08am |
Just like some deluded “anti-jihad” bloggers do.
Speaking of whom, they're gaining on us.
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blue falcon Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:59:43am |
re: #15 Outrider
re: #15 Outrider
What really pisses me off about this tired fool, is he is who the media holds up as an example of social conservatism! Bullsh*t! He is merely another bigot with an obvious agenda that cares for no one unless they look like him and believe exactly as he does.
The media loves giving air time to that scumbag to make conservatives, especially "Republicans", look bad because of his pathetic presidential bid years ago. I've never seen the media pull the equivalent for Democrats, by having that crooked lawyer, whom runs a fraudulent 'church', worked for Gore's campaign, and travels around with the g-d hates f-gs funeral circuit, on as a "Democrat".
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gclaghorn Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:59:53am |
ATTENTION LIZARDS!
Pamela is only 28 points away from LGF in the Weblog Awards. If you haven't already voted in the last 24 hours, do it now! See the link in the right sidebar at the top of the page.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:59:55am |
re: #23 jcm
Fuchanan, this is what Blitzkrieg looks like.
Doesn't matter to the likes of him - he, like other POS, will use anything to smear Israel with the one meme of true evil which everybody knows - the Nazis.
Despicable.
But alas, too many nowadays belive this sh*t.
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Athos Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:00:02pm |
re: #49 Opinionated
I agree. When PB is on, it's an instant channel / station change.
I find it appalling that Hannity never ever confronts PB on his positions - ranging from that pathetic revisionist last book - VDH fisks PB with a Clue-by-Four - to these latest statements by the fascist.
If anyone in punditry needed a loud and resounding STFU, it's PB.
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:00:17pm |
Another fan of Buchanan - and more subtly anti Israel in his own right- is John McLaughlin.
On his show this weekend he quoted "the Vatican" as also saying that Israel has created a Concentration Camp in Gaza.
While one Cardinal did say that, I believe McLaughlin deliberately said "the Vatican" to give the accusation more power. He asked Buchanan, if he [the anti Semite] agreed.
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efuseakay Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:00:43pm |
Watching the Gaza cam... the Israelis aren't very good with that blitzkrieg thang....
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:01:56pm |
re: #60 CIA Reject
I'm sorry, but IMHO Hannity is another one who needs to dial it back a notch. He relies too much on bluster and emotion and not enough on reason thus allowing the left to characterize all conservatives as hot-heads.
And he does need to confront Buchanan on his anti-semitism...
Hannity has lost me awhile ago. I still listen on occasion, but tend toward Medved in that time slot. I really like Levin, his passion seems very genuine and I like that.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:02:06pm |
re: #23 jcm
Fuchanan, this is what Blitzkrieg looks like.
actually, no. that's what Russian set piece warfare looks like.
afterwards, anyway.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:02:08pm |
The death of any human being is tragic. The death of a child is particularly tragic, heartbreakingly so, particularly when it comes suddenly, and particularly for the family members who are present to witness it.
Not in a death cult - it's a blessing/tragedy
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:02:13pm |
The very best that can be said about the Nazis is that unlike Hamas, they put on uniforms and met their enemy on the field of battle. They did not fire rockets from or hide in civilian areas like the Hamas does. (to my knowledge) Please do not take my comment as defending Nazi Germany in ANY way, what they did was inexcusably horrific and inhumane, it must NEVER be forgotten, or allowed to be marginalized, or denied. The Hamas and many others want the same thing, Jewish genocide, but fight like cowards. They allow their citizens to be killed because they hide among them, cowardly genocidal murderers that they are. Hamas is causing the death of innocent Palestinians, and Israel bears not one iota of guilt for this. Fight on, Israel, protect yourself and your people, no matter anyone's opinion. To hell with Hamas, Hezbollah, and everyone else who hates Israel.
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AmeriDan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:02:15pm |
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:02:54pm |
re: #61 Dr. Shalit
Opinionated -
That EGYPT keeps shut as to people if not goods for a very clear and convincing reason - HAMAS is the GAZA branch of the IKHWAN, as in those cuddly teddy bears that killed SADAT.
-S-
Somehow you never hear that Gaza borders Egypt.
When we hear lies of lack of food and medicines, it goes completely unmentioned that Egypt has the key.
Funny how all these rockets fired at Israel have gotten into the Concentration Camp.
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abolitionist Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:02:57pm |
It's much like how he described Israel's action in Lebanon in 2006.
Pat, has Israel gone too far?
PAT BUCHANAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: I think Israel has gone too far, Joe. As I mentioned to you, they were provoked and they were attacked by Hezbollah that killed Israeli soldiers and captured two and took them back into Lebanon. It was a just war for Israel to go and get them and to punish the people that took them and to take out those rockets which are raining down on northern Israel.
But what the Israelis did was launch a blitzkrieg against an innocent nation and people, Lebanon, who didn‘t want any part of this war, destroying air fields or runways on civilian airports, lighthouses, roads, bridges, all the rest of it. You‘ve got 500,000 refugees. It is disproportionate, Joe.
Quite Goebbelsian, no?
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:03:05pm |
Actually, Blitzkriegs are pretty effective if you want to win. Certainly more effective than conducting a Sits-krieg in the face of constant rocket attacks......
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Neo Con since 9-11 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:03:44pm |
re: #40 quickjustice
Buchanan: the new Father Coughlin. Hannity continues to give him publicity because Buchanan does reflect the views of the old paleo-cons, who, with the single exception of Bill Buckley, were notorious anti-semites. Hannity is all about building listeners by having controversial figures on his show.
The late, great Bill Buckley was never really a Paleo-con. He was really more the great grand pappy of us neo cons. Buckley got the "neo con" movement started and managed to drive Buchanan out of the Republican party for nearly a decade. Unfortunately, after Buckley's death, Hannity, McLaughlin, and a few others reinvited Buchanan back into the right wing movement and we've been losing groung in public opinion ever since.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:03:46pm |
I just remembered a fortune I got from a fortune cookie once that applies nicely to Pat.
Fame is a form of success that is seldom worth the things you have to do to obtain it.
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ClosetConservative Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:04:54pm |
The proportionality argument is detestable. I include a little tidbit on the subject:
The international media engages in delusions about Big Bad Israel on a daily basis. Most of the time, the far left are happy to drink it up and theorize about Israeli plans for domination of the Middle East. However, they never hesitate to jump at an opportunity to level a more serious accusation at the "Zionist criminals"; when Israel decided to stand up for its citizenry this past week, the Daily Kos was terribly excited about how "disproportionate" Israel's attacks upon Gaza were. Supposedly, because the body count on the Palestinian side far exceeds that on the Israeli side, Israel has committed a war crime. By that logic, every successful military leader in history has been a war criminal, but then again, leftist logic isn't really logic at all. While the Geneva Convention clearly states clearly states that the presence of civilians doesn't exclude a military target from lawful attack, the anti-Israel protesters march on hemming and hawing about the destruction of a school that was used by Hamas as a mortar launching area. The "disproportionate" argument is very easy to invalidate with a bit of Google work.
An exchange of firepower is not legally disproportionate if one side has more firepower than the other. Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, made it excruciatingly clear in a letter to those alleging war crimes against Iraqi citizens that unintentional civilian deaths caused by military operations in any given theater are not in and of themselves war crimes. For a civilian death to be a war crime, the goal of the mission during which the death of the civilian occurred must have been to kill that civilian. In other words, the general in the field may order an attack on a military facility knowing full well that civilian casualties may result as long as that general believes that the military objective he seeks is proportionate to the death of civilians. For a fun comparison, note that Hamas' objective in launching rockets over the border was to kill civilians, while Israel's objective in invading Gaza is to prevent the death of more Israeli civilians. Furthermore, when a belligerent uses a civilian military installation for military purposes (I'm talking to you, Hamas), that belligerent is responsible for any civilian deaths that result.
Dear Mr. Buchanan:
It's not a Blitzkrieg, you dolt; the German Blitzkrieg was an offensive action used for the purpose of gaining land. The Israeli offensive (defensive?) is for the purpose of self-defense.
Love, ClosetCon
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vxbush Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:06:06pm |
re: #81 ClosetConservative
The proportionality argument is detestable. I include a little tidbit on the subject:
Dear Mr. Buchanan:
It's not a Blitzkrieg, you dolt; the German Blitzkrieg was an offensive action used for the purpose of gaining land. The Israeli offensive (defensive?) is for the purpose of self-defense.
Love, ClosetCon
You sound like you expect Buchanan to react to reason. Something tells me he left reason a long time ago.
Afternoon, everyone.
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Tzefa Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:06:11pm |
Now in all fairness Charles I have to say that "blitzkrieg" is a legitimate military term that I've seen mentioned even in IDF documents and publications, along with other german terms such as "schwerpunkt" for example. Them germans have a knack of describing sentence-long concepts with one (albeit unpronounceable) word, which is pretty useful.
At the same time I have to note that the operation in Gaza is certainly anything BUT a "blitzkrieg". It's a very slow, house-to-house advance that has nothing to do with rapid armor maneuvers. There's no place for them in Gaza, there's no enemy front that can be pierced, there's no enemy rear either.
For an example of a real blitzkrieg see the Six Day war.
So Buchanan, having apparently no idea what the word actually means, is using it purposefully because it german and does have Nazi connotation.
And that does show him as a moron - not the word itself.
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ayatollah ghilmeini Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:06:14pm |
Ok, let's start at Point A: Buchanan is a Hitler excusing, Jew hater. He hates Israel.
Now if anyone other than him had used the word Blitzkrieg, I would not be on their case. Blitz and Blitzkrieg have become part of the English language and associated with the notion of modern armored warfare.
So in the last few months, Pat has referred to the situation in Gaza as a concentration camp, published a book that blames the British for WWII, his thesis (feces is more like it) is that Britain forces war on poor Hitler because they threatened war if Hitler invaded Poland in 1939. As if Hitler had not planned the invasion since early 1939, hadn't breached the Munich accord and wasn't in complete and open violation of Washington Naval and Versailles arms restrictions treaties. Poor, "innocent," Hitler! That war monger NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN drove him to it.
Pat LOVES using the words "America First," his family was active int he AF movement; the AF movement were pro-Hitler and used the Nazi salute at their rallies. Google AF rally pictures of Lindbergh and Senator Wheeler but have your vomit bag ready.
All of it must be seen as part of a pattern of antisemitic and anti-Israel comments and rhetoric that eventually got Buchanan bounced from most respectable conservative publications. His comment bears the baggage of a lifetime of Jew hatred.
Only when you know all this can you hate him properly.
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AmeriDan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:06:59pm |
re: #66 gclaghorn
ATTENTION LIZARDS!
Pamela is only 28 points away from LGF in the Weblog Awards. If you haven't already voted in the last 24 hours, do it now! See the link in the right sidebar at the top of the page.
Done.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:07:23pm |
re: #69 Opinionated
Another fan of Buchanan - and more subtly anti Israel in his own right- is John McLaughlin.
On his show this weekend he quoted "the Vatican" as also saying that Israel has created a Concentration Camp in Gaza.
While one Cardinal did say that, I believe McLaughlin deliberately said "the Vatican" to give the accusation more power. He asked Buchanan, if he [the anti Semite] agreed.
McLaughlin is another one who belongs on that cliffside pasture with Buchanan. The attempts of both these bigots to whitewash their bigotry in a false veneer of approval by "the Vatican" is as disgusting as the antics of any Catholic baiting bigot out there.
McLaughlin and Buchanan - all you have to do is add Bob Dornan and you will have the trifecta of "conservative" duncedom!
*SPIT*
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Taqyia2Me Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:08:28pm |
It's now final for me....until such time as I KNOW FOR A FACT that Sean Hannity has PUBLICLY disowned Pat Buchanan and TOTALLY refuses him ANY further air time, no more Sean Hannity for me, EVER.
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jayzee Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:08:30pm |
What amazes me about this filthy prick is that he's everywhere. CNN, MSNBC, Hannity, Imus-WTF?
No one calls him out, and everytime he shows up on some morons show I stop watching a listening forever.
Sorry Sean, you too.
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Oh no...Sand People! Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:09:25pm |
"which didn't kill anybody..."
That, Pat, is a bald faced lie and you know it.
You are morally bankrupt.
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:09:33pm |
re: #72 redc1c4
actually, no. that's what Russian set piece warfare looks like.
afterwards, anyway.
Saw that after I posted it. Ain't Russian liberation grand?
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efuseakay Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:09:44pm |
re: #66 gclaghorn
ATTENTION LIZARDS!
Pamela is only 28 points away from LGF in the Weblog Awards. If you haven't already voted in the last 24 hours, do it now! See the link in the right sidebar at the top of the page.
Well, I'm definitely not voting for Pamela.
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freedombilly Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:09:49pm |
re: #60 CIA Reject
I'm sorry, but IMHO Hannity is another one who needs to dial it back a notch. He relies too much on bluster and emotion and not enough on reason thus allowing the left to characterize all conservatives as hot-heads.
And he does need to confront Buchanan on his anti-semitism...
Hannity is an odd case. His books, for the most part, are fantastic. But he's is so-so on TV and his radio show sucks. The arguments that he articulates so well in his books makes the radio and TV thing even more frustrating.
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ayatollah ghilmeini Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:10:05pm |
Actually, I am glad Paul Martin stands by his report. Why? Because it joins the al Dura and other blood libels as a classic example of media bias against Israel.
Sooner or later, this report will be looked at by independent medical experts and found wanting. Also if there is a Lizard in Norway or the EU, Dr. Mads Gilbert's behavior violates medical ethics, perhaps a complaint should be filed?
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AmeriDan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:10:20pm |
re: #53 DEZes
Ah, I see, it was just a peace offering, like the fruit cake I got this Christmas.
Exactly. But be careful, both can kill you if they land on your head.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:10:41pm |
re: #71 jcm
Hannity has lost me awhile ago. I still listen on occasion, but tend toward Medved in that time slot. I really like Levin, his passion seems very genuine and I like that.
Micheal Medved is excellent, I haven't heard his show in a while but unless he has changed greatly he presents his case in a very well-reasoned and unemotional fashion. Which is probably why he is never quoted in the MSM while they splash Buchanan and Hannity all over the place...
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:11:08pm |
re: #76 Opinionated
Somehow you never hear that Gaza borders Egypt.
When we hear lies of lack of food and medicines, it goes completely unmentioned that Egypt has the key.
Funny how all these rockets fired at Israel have gotten into the Concentration Camp.
Somehow you never hear the Jews, who had lived in Gaza since... forever, were forcibly ejected from Gaza during the 1929 Palestinian Riots. The British prevented the Jews from returning although after 1946 some did manage.
Lots of things we never hear of until we dig them out.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:11:24pm |
re: #74 CapeCoddah
The very best that can be said about the Nazis is that unlike Hamas, they put on uniforms and met their enemy on the field of battle. They did not fire rockets from or hide in civilian areas like the Hamas does. (to my knowledge) Please do not take my comment as defending Nazi Germany in ANY way, what they did was inexcusably horrific and inhumane, it must NEVER be forgotten, or allowed to be marginalized, or denied. The Hamas and many others want the same thing, Jewish genocide, but fight like cowards. They allow their citizens to be killed because they hide among them, cowardly genocidal murderers that they are. Hamas is causing the death of innocent Palestinians, and Israel bears not one iota of guilt for this. Fight on, Israel, protect yourself and your people, no matter anyone's opinion. To hell with Hamas, Hezbollah, and everyone else who hates Israel.
You make a good point - and no, I don't think this exonerates Nazi Germany in any way.
And while what they did will not be forgotten but live on in infamy, always, its also got to be said that they did build bunkers for their civilians, and did not use their dead children as props to show how they suffered under allied bombings.
All those who now wail for the fate of the hamasthigs, and accuse Israel, should take another look at the images of the aftermaths of the allied bombing raids, on Hamburg, Cologne, Berlin, Dresden ...
And all those who think israel shut put up with those nagging little rockets better have a read about the effects of the V1 and V2 on London and its children, never mind Coventry.
I'm sure they think we should have put up with that as well!
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:11:40pm |
re: #97 CIA Reject
Micheal Medved is excellent, I haven't heard his show in a while but unless he has changed greatly he presents his case in a very well-reasoned and unemotional fashion. Which is probably why he is never quoted in the MSM while they splash Buchanan and Hannity all over the place...
Medved is excellent at letting guest hang themselves for all to see.
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VegasRick Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:12:44pm |
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suitepotato Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:13:01pm |
You know if this keeps up, Lyndon LaRouche will show up next and--
Waitaminute...
That was the 80s. They want their nutjobs back.
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Oh no...Sand People! Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:13:05pm |
How much money is Pat taking from BNP and Vlaams? I would love to see his financial records.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:13:18pm |
Complete asshole alert:
Senator Asks Smithsonian to Change Text Next to Bush Portrait (D Vermont)
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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BBev Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:13:59pm |
I see Pat has colored his hair and must have a shit load of makeup on. I met him last years and had a long conversation with him.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:15:27pm |
re: #94 freedombilly
Hannity is an odd case. His books, for the most part, are fantastic. But he's is so-so on TV and his radio show sucks. The arguments that he articulates so well in his books makes the radio and TV thing even more frustrating.
I did not know that. His lunacy on TV and radio is the reason why I never bothered to read any of his books...
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:16:56pm |
re: #96 AmeriDan
Exactly. But be careful, both can kill you if they land on your head.
I am saving it to launch in my catapult. ;)
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jaunte Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:17:11pm |
re: #100 Fat Jolly Penguin
Her readers are apparently fans of ineffective gestures, so they might very well win an internet poll.
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freedombilly Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:17:53pm |
re: #108 CIA Reject
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything in his books. But he actually articulates some very cogent arguments in a very precise way in print. Almost like the bravado takes a back seat after proof reading. But all the bravado isn't gone that's for sure.
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:17:55pm |
re: #60 CIA Reject
I'm sorry, but IMHO Hannity is another one who needs to dial it back a notch. He relies too much on bluster and emotion and not enough on reason thus allowing the left to characterize all conservatives as hot-heads.
And he does need to confront Buchanan on his anti-semitism...
That is why I don't listen to his show anymore.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:18:12pm |
Well, I am off the the Israel rally here in downtown San Jose...I'll bring back pictures and video!
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:18:39pm |
re: #100 Fat Jolly Penguin
AtS is only four behind...
Done me duty, every day, and today as well ...
BinVoting
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:18:56pm |
re: #94 freedombilly
Hannity is an odd case. His books, for the most part, are fantastic. But he's is so-so on TV and his radio show sucks. The arguments that he articulates so well in his books makes the radio and TV thing even more frustrating.
He publisher has good editors, it would seem.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:19:36pm |
re: #111 freedombilly
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything in his books. But he actually articulates some very cogent arguments in a very precise way in print. Almost like the bravado takes a back seat after proof reading. But all the bravado isn't gone that's for sure.
There's nothing wrong with bravado- it's just when one allows emotion to trump reason in making an argument, one has just lost the argument!
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BBev Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:19:39pm |
re: #113 traderjoe9
Well, I am off the the Israel rally here in downtown San Jose...I'll bring back pictures and video!
Take care
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:08pm |
re: #114 yma o hyd
Done me duty, every day, and today as well ...
BinVoting
Make sure the wee Border Collie gets his or her votes n as well...:)
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Athos Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:13pm |
re: #79 Neo Con since 9-11
I will disgree in this only - I do not contend that those invited PB back into the fold after the death of Bill Buckley.....to those, Hannity, McLaughlin, and others, PB never was accrued the gaze the he and his positions so well deserve. Unfortunately, despite Buckley's best efforts, not all of the cretins of the neo-nazi beliefs were purged from their infiltration into conservative politics. We are damned by this affiliation everytime unless we stand up against his odious beliefs.
I do find it interesting that he is promoted on MSNBC as one of 'their' conservatives to demonstrate to the MSNBC audience the characture of a 'typical conservative'.
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freedombilly Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:16pm |
re: #112 Spiny Norman
That is why I don't listen to his show anymore.
I used to check it out from time to time. If I am plugged into media at that hour I now find myself focusing on the market wrap-up for the day. Much better use of my time.
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:16pm |
*His* publisher has good editors...
Obviously, I could use one on occasion.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:19pm |
re: #93 efuseakay
Well, I'm definitely not voting for Pamela.
i'm a moron, so i've been voting for AoS......
/Dooooh!
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AmeriDan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:19pm |
re: #109 DEZes
I am saving it to launch in my catapult. ;)
Just make sure there are no kids playing on neadby rooftops!
Gotta go to work. Everyone have a good day.
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NelsFree Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:22:10pm |
re: #29 lawhawk
This is the only acceptable Nazi imagery. Hamas rallies, much like those of Hizbullah and Iranian military processions have quite a bit in common with Hitler, to say nothing of their genocidal rhetoric.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler during WW2 to help find ways of killing more Jews. An all-Muslim Regiment was created which fought in the Balkans, and some Paleos name their kids Hitler to this day. Palis also give the "Heil Hitler" salute.
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:23:08pm |
re: #120 freedombilly
I used to check it out from time to time. If I am plugged into media at that hour I now find myself focusing on the market wrap-up for the day. Much better use of my time.
I listen to Jerry Doyle in that time slot now. Although Jerry does get a bit carried away with his rhetoric at times.
And he didn't challenge Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul nearly as much as I would have preferred when he had them on. More than Hannity does, though.
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jcbunga Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:23:16pm |
I'm no military expert, but what the Israelis are doing isn't remotely like a blitz. I believe that refers to mass armor penetrations accompanied by mounted infantry, followed by mass infantry to hold captured ground, all under mass air power.
I could be wrong, but ask the French. They saw it first hand.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:23:36pm |
re: #118 Dustyvet
Make sure the wee Border Collie gets his or her votes n as well...:)
I let her vote for the other blogs!
:-)))
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:24:34pm |
re: #123 AmeriDan
Just make sure there are no kids playing on neadby rooftops!
Gotta go to work. Everyone have a good day.
catapult throwing cars - diy
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:25:13pm |
re: #66 gclaghorn
ATTENTION LIZARDS!
Pamela is only 28 points away from LGF in the Weblog Awards. If you haven't already voted in the last 24 hours, do it now! See the link in the right sidebar at the top of the page.
Done, again.
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:25:20pm |
re: #127 yma o hyd
I let her vote for the other blogs!
:-)))
Cools, I letting my domestic short hair cat do the same...:)
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VegasRick Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:25:42pm |
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:25:43pm |
re: #126 jcbunga
I'm no military expert, but what the Israelis are doing isn't remotely like a blitz. I believe that refers to mass armor penetrations accompanied by mounted infantry, followed by mass infantry to hold captured ground, all under mass air power.
I could be wrong, but ask the French. They saw it first hand.
No shit. What's going on in Gaza could best be described as "seek and destroy".
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:25:54pm |
re: #126 jcbunga
I'm no military expert, but what the Israelis are doing isn't remotely like a blitz. I believe that refers to mass armor penetrations accompanied by mounted infantry, followed by mass infantry to hold captured ground, all under mass air power.
I could be wrong, but ask the French. They saw it first hand.
You are correct. The Germans invented Combined Arms warfare - which remains the standard to this day.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:26:02pm |
re: #126 jcbunga
I'm no military expert, but what the Israelis are doing isn't remotely like a blitz. I believe that refers to mass armor penetrations accompanied by mounted infantry, followed by mass infantry to hold captured ground, all under mass air power.
I could be wrong, but ask the French. They saw it first hand.
Or the Poles ... they were on the receiving end first of all.
AFAIK, there are no Stukas in the IAF ...
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AmeriDan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:26:16pm |
re: #126 jcbunga
I'm no military expert, but what the Israelis are doing isn't remotely like a blitz. I believe that refers to mass armor penetrations accompanied by mounted infantry, followed by mass infantry to hold captured ground, all under mass air power.
I could be wrong, but ask the French. They saw it first hand.
I believe they were all asses and elbows when confronted with the blitz.
Now I really have to go to work. Good day.
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:26:27pm |
re: #30 Opinionated
I like Sean Hannity. Unless he is one of the greatest actors, he seems like a very decent good guy.
I am upset that he continues to respectfully deal with Buchanan, never confronting him for his rabid anti Semitism.
He may be a decent guy, but he does not impress the middle or the left in my opinion. During the campaign, all I heard was Ayers and Wright,over and over and over.
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:28:22pm |
re: #134 yma o hyd
Or the Poles ... they were on the receiving end first of all.
AFAIK, there are no Stukas in the IAF ...
Last Stuka I saw was hanging from a ceiling in a Museum in Chicago, and they also got a U-Boat in the basement...:)
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SummerSong Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:28:48pm |
Plenty of air traffic can be heard on the live Gaza cam.
Saw one of the cam operators a few minutes ago. His head moved into the frame for a moment. Light brown hair...
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:28:56pm |
re: #126 jcbunga
I'm no military expert, but what the Israelis are doing isn't remotely like a blitz. I believe that refers to mass armor penetrations accompanied by mounted infantry, followed by mass infantry to hold captured ground, all under mass air power.
I could be wrong, but ask the French. They saw it first hand.
At the risk of re-using an old punch line......the reason the Blitz was so effective against the French is that the Germans marched in backwards, making the French think they were leaving........
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:00pm |
re: #126 jcbunga
I'm no military expert, but what the Israelis are doing isn't remotely like a blitz. I believe that refers to mass armor penetrations accompanied by mounted infantry, followed by mass infantry to hold captured ground, all under mass air power.
I could be wrong, but ask the French. They saw it first hand.
Poland and Holland would probably be better examples. ;-)>
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VegasRick Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:18pm |
re: #136 avanti
He may be a decent guy, but he does not impress the middle or the left in my opinion. During the campaign, all I heard was Ayers and Wright,over and over and over.
He does have a hilarious lead in where wright is yelling and calls him O'seanassy.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:36pm |
re: #130 Dustyvet
Cools, I letting my domestic short hair cat do the same...:)
Good-oh!
Gotta let the pets have some fun on the PC as well - can't have them looking at 'Icanhascheezburger' all the time ...
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mean Gene Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:42pm |
re: #136 avanti
He [Sean Hannity] may be a decent guy, but he does not impress the middle or the left in my opinion. During the campaign, all I heard was Ayers and Wright,over and over and over.
I agree.
Seems likable enough but is not willing to do the homework that, say, Rush L. does, or Larry Elder did.
Can't go ''off script'' easily without falling back into simple rhetorical trickery.
And his natural tendency is to be sticky-sweet.
Without a leftist-foil he will be intolerable on Fox News.
(His weekend show is proof that this is true.)
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VegasRick Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:57pm |
re: #138 SummerSong
Plenty of air traffic can be heard on the live Gaza cam.
Saw one of the cam operators a few minutes ago. His head moved into the frame for a moment. Light brown hair...
linky?
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:30:01pm |
re: #135 AmeriDan
I believe they were all asses and elbows when confronted with the blitz.
Now I really have to go to work. Good day.
The French we're all fat, dumb and happy in the Maginot Line.... till the Germans knocked on the back door.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:30:43pm |
re: #145 jcm
The French we're all fat, dumb and happy in the Maginot Line.... till the Germans knocked on the back door.
like in the first world war? ;-)>
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:30:57pm |
re: #142 yma o hyd
Good-oh!
Gotta let the pets have some fun on the PC as well - can't have them looking at 'Icanhascheezburger' all the time ...
ROFLMAO...:) Now that's true...:)
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:31:18pm |
But...but...Pamela says VB is a close ally of Israel.
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A Kiwi Infidel Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:31:20pm |
Back from holiday (gark)
Pat Buchanan is an asshole.
Go Israel!
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:32:52pm |
re: #146 Outrider
like in the first world war? ;-)>
It worked really well the first time, let's do it again!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:32:52pm |
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:33:10pm |
re: #148 buzzsawmonkey
The Israelis, by all accounts, are as usual going in on tiptoe:
1) They are doing their best to avoid collateral civilian casualties, which is no mean feat given Hamas' penchant for using civilians as shields;
2) They are trucking in loads of humanitarian aid to ensure that the civilian population suffers as little as possible while the fighting is still going on;
3) They have willingly suspended hostilities for short periods, despite the advantage this gives their genocidal foes, in order to ensure the possibility that humanitarian aid can reach civilians.
Anything less like a "blitzkrieg" than this is difficult to imagine. And naturally, bigots such as Buchanan, and the willfully ignorant fatmouth news media, and the stinking hypocrites of the UN, give Israel no credit at all for these astounding acts of self-sacrifice on the altar of "humanitarianism."
That's because "Blitzkrieg" is such a catchy word to say. And it pulls up the type of imagery that would put Israel in the role of the bad guy.
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SummerSong Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:33:20pm |
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:33:45pm |
re: #149 MandyManners
But...but...Pamela says VB is a close ally of Israel.
VB thinks Israel needs more ovens....... they'd be glad to help.
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:34:04pm |
re: #133 LGoPs
You are correct. The Germans invented Combined Arms warfare - which remains the standard to this day.
In truth, the British did in August 1918, when Gen. Haig regained all of the territory lost in Ludendorff's "Spring Offensive", and then pushed past the Germans' "Hindenburg Line".
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:34:06pm |
re: #151 jcm
It worked really well the first time, let's do it again!
and it worked real well the second time around because the French command were still fighting two wars back. lol
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:34:34pm |
re: #148 buzzsawmonkey
The Israelis, by all accounts, are as usual going in on tiptoe:
1) They are doing their best to avoid collateral civilian casualties, which is no mean feat given Hamas' penchant for using civilians as shields;
2) They are trucking in loads of humanitarian aid to ensure that the civilian population suffers as little as possible while the fighting is still going on;
3) They have willingly suspended hostilities for short periods, despite the advantage this gives their genocidal foes, in order to ensure the possibility that humanitarian aid can reach civilians.
Anything less like a "blitzkrieg" than this is difficult to imagine. And naturally, bigots such as Buchanan, and the willfully ignorant fatmouth news media, and the stinking hypocrites of the UN, give Israel no credit at all for these astounding acts of self-sacrifice on the altar of "humanitarianism."
You are absolutely correct. Blitzkrieg, by definiton, is a no holds barred, decisive and devastating application of miltary power. If the IDF were truly conducting Blitzkrieg this would have been over in 24 to 48 hours.
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VegasRick Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:34:49pm |
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:35:06pm |
re: #137 Dustyvet
Last Stuka I saw was hanging from a ceiling in a Museum in Chicago, and they also got a U-Boat in the basement...:)
I remember some footage from a BBC film about WWI - some time ago, no linkie.
They showed some film from Dunkirk. Stukas swooping down, truly terrifying sound.
The IAF have nothing like that, and if they did, they wouldn't use it against Gaza.
See - thats the difference, not that a POS like PB would notice ...
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:35:27pm |
Brief History of France at War Part 1
An unofficial synopsis
Gallic Wars - Lost
In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
Hundred Years War - Mostly lost
Saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare: "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."
Italian Wars - Lost
France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
Wars of Religion
France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.
Thirty Years War
France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
War of Devolution - Tied
Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
The Dutch War - Tied
War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost...
but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.
War of the Spanish Succession - Lost
The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.
American Revolution
In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
French Revolution - Won
Primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
The Napoleonic Wars - Lost
Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
The Franco-Prussian War - Lost
Germany first plays the role of drunk frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
World War I - Tied...
and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States.
World War II - Lost
Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
War in Indochina - Lost
French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu.
Algerian Rebellion - Lost
Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare: "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Esquimaux.
1991 Gulf War - Won
Refer to Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
War on Terrorism - France
Keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
FINAL TALLY: Won = 3; Lost = 10; Tied = 5.
Now, do we REALLY want them on our side?
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:35:31pm |
re: #143 mean Gene
I agree.
Seems likable enough but is not willing to do the homework that, say, Rush L. does, or Larry Elder did.
Can't go ''off script'' easily without falling back into simple rhetorical trickery.
And his natural tendency is to be sticky-sweet.
Without a leftist-foil he will be intolerable on Fox News.
(His weekend show is proof that this is true.)
Not only does he need a leftist foil, I think he needs a weak one or he'll just fall back to canned rhetoric.
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VegasRick Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:36:28pm |
re: #160 Iron Fist
Even assuming that he was correct and Hamas' little light show didn't kill anyone, what the fuck does that matter? They're incompetent terrorists, therefore they are OK?
Classic!
[Link: www.metacafe.com...]
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:37:40pm |
re: #162 Dustyvet
FINAL TALLY: Won = 3; Lost = 10; Tied = 5.Now, do we REALLY want them on our side?
But they have what really count...
Panache!
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:37:48pm |
Buchanan said the territories are places where people are "brought in and treated with great cruelty." Seems to me the only people being "brought in" are terror trainers.
He also said the US was correct to go after Afghanistan because it didn't hand over al Queda operatives responsible for 9-11. Well, Hamas is not only firing off rockets into Israel but it is THE GOVERNMENT of the territory, legal or not. Who then has just as must right, and obligation, to pursue its enemies, if not Israel?
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:38:34pm |
re: #153 Outrider
Precisely!
You hear (or read) 'Blitskrieg', and what image springs to mind?
Jackboots ...
Anybody here think of 'jackboots' when thinking of the IDF?
Didn't think so ...
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SummerSong Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:38:41pm |
re: #159 VegasRick
Summer, no link.
Here is X-wing's post maybe the link will work from there.
I think the site went offline (it went black on me a few minutes ago) - but it seems to come back up eventually.
Comment 207
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:39:35pm |
re: #161 yma o hyd
I remember some footage from a BBC film about WWII - some time ago, no linkie.
They showed some film from Dunkirk. Stukas swooping down, truly terrifying sound.
The IAF have nothing like that, and if they did, they wouldn't use it against Gaza.See - thats the difference, not that a POS like PB would notice ...
That was probably from Thames Television's terrific The World at War.
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Steffan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:39:49pm |
If you haven't seen it yet, Ralph Peters let the el cubos have it with both barrels.
[A]bove all, the most-destructive racists in the world today are mainstream leftists. Want the truth? The Left codes Israel as white and, therefore, inherently an oppressor. Israel is held to the highest standard of our civilization and our legal codes - and denied the right to self-defense.
But the Left tacitly believes that people with darker skins are inferior and can't be expected to behave at a civilized level. Leftists expect terrorist movements or African dictators to behave horribly. It's the post-modern, latte-sucking version of the "little brown brother" mentality.
Go read the whole thing.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:40:09pm |
re: #158 LGoPs
You are absolutely correct. Blitzkrieg, by definiton, is a no holds barred, decisive and devastating application of miltary power. If the IDF were truly conducting Blitzkrieg this would have been over in 24 to 48 hours.
Nazi wehrmacht would have done it in 12 ...
///
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:40:45pm |
re: #155 jcm
VB thinks Israel needs more ovens....... they'd be glad to help.
We have some of those creeps in Ft. Lauderdale. Muslims, dontcha' know?
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:41:35pm |
re: #169 yma o hyd
Precisely!
You hear (or read) 'Blitskrieg', and what image springs to mind?
Jackboots ...Anybody here think of 'jackboots' when thinking of the IDF?
Didn't think so ...
I have seen photographs of Hamas doing the "Goose Step"
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:42:26pm |
re: #174 Steffan
But the Left tacitly believes that people with darker skins are inferior and can't be expected to behave at a civilized level. Leftists expect terrorist movements or African dictators to behave horribly. It's the post-modern, latte-sucking version of the "little brown brother" mentality.
It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.
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Maximu§ Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:42:40pm |
If Pat Buchanan was an LGF Lizard, he would have been kicked to curb along time ago, just like we do to the other Haters.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:43:03pm |
re: #162 Dustyvet
Brief History of France at War Part 1
An unofficial synopsis
One of the sad aspects to this synopsis is individually and in certain units, the French Army is good and always has been. But, historically, they seem to have had the worst military leadership at the very senior levels as has ever been seen historically and worldwide.
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:43:16pm |
re: #162 Dustyvet
That's a P. J. O'Rourke bit, isn't it?
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:43:35pm |
re: #174 Steffan
If you haven't seen it yet, Ralph Peters let the el cubos have it with both barrels.
Go read the whole thing.
I love Ralph Peters. He is devastatingly concise and to the point.....
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:44:30pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:45:22pm |
re: #179 Iron Fist
Can I take it that you won't be dancing on the 20th?
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:45:24pm |
re: #183 Outrider
One of the sad aspects to this synopsis is individually and in certain units, the French Army is good and always has been. But, historically, they seem to have had the worst military leadership at the very senior levels as has ever been seen historically and worldwide.
It's illustrative that their most elite miltary unit is the Foreign Legion.....consisting of, by definiton, non-Frenchmen......
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BBev Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:45:37pm |
re: #158 LGoPs
You are absolutely correct. Blitzkrieg, by definiton, is a no holds barred, decisive and devastating application of miltary power. If the IDF were truly conducting Blitzkrieg this would have been over in 24 to 48 hours.
Ya and Gaza would be a waste land of rubble,
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:45:47pm |
re: #186 MandyManners
Why doesn't Pat just move to Brussels?
He'd have to learn Dutch, French and German.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:46:18pm |
re: #160 Iron Fist
Even assuming that he was correct and Hamas' little light show didn't kill anyone, what the fuck does that matter? They're incompetent terrorists, therefore they are OK?
Again, the Ayers comparison. Just because they were too incompetent to accomplish what they set out to do, (kill loads of innocent people) does not relieve them of the burden of guilt.
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Athos Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:46:37pm |
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NelsFree Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:46:38pm |
re: #167 jcm
But they have what really count...
Panache!
I've tried panache. It's only delicious when hot and fresh. Like Krispy Kreme Donuts.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:46:51pm |
re: #167 jcm
But they have what really count...
Panache!
..and they can offer..... stinky cheese! ;-)>
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:46:53pm |
re: #183 Outrider
One of the sad aspects to this synopsis is individually and in certain units, the French Army is good and always has been. But, historically, they seem to have had the worst military leadership at the very senior levels as has ever been seen historically and worldwide.
Tribute to French Foreign Legion
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:47:17pm |
More IDF video...
Hamas Booby Trapped School and Zoo
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:48:00pm |
re: #184 Spiny Norman
That's a P. J. O'Rourke bit, isn't it?
No idea, never seen any author given credit for it.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:48:31pm |
re: #188 MandyManners
Can I take it that you won't be dancing on the 20th?
i'll be drinking heavily and ditching class.
no way i'm gonna sit there and listen to the moonbats that day.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:48:40pm |
re: #179 Iron Fist
Let me see, Wright is an anti-American anti-white bigot, and Ayers is a unrepetant motherfucking terrorist. Why shouldn't they bre the only thing that we hear about Obama?
If Obama were white and Republican and was hobnobing with Eric Fucking Rudolf and Fred Phelps you can bet your ass that that would be what we heard 24-7 until he dropped out of the race and hid in shame.
Why do the goddamn fucking Leftists get the pass?
Obama is unqualified in both the experience and the judgement to be President of the United States. He is going to be a disaster as President. He has shown us through his nominations for cabinet positions that this wasn't a momentary lapse in judgement on his part, but a pattern of behavior that is going to effect the country down to the very bedrock upon which it is built.
They get the pass because they own the media........and they will continue getting that pass until that ownership stops. I don't know how to effect that but until it changes and the media restores some modicum of balance, the Republic is in great peril.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:49:25pm |
re: #179 Iron Fist
Let me see, Wright is an anti-American anti-white bigot, and Ayers is a unrepetant motherfucking terrorist. Why shouldn't they bre the only thing that we hear about Obama?
If Obama were white and Republican and was hobnobing with Eric Fucking Rudolf and Fred Phelps you can bet your ass that that would be what we heard 24-7 until he dropped out of the race and hid in shame.
Why do the goddamn fucking Leftists get the pass?
Obama is unqualified in both the experience and the judgement to be President of the United States. He is going to be a disaster as President. He has shown us through his nominations for cabinet positions that this wasn't a momentary lapse in judgement on his part, but a pattern of behavior that is going to effect the country down to the very bedrock upon which it is built.
All that AND we are still getting disgusting hit pieces on Governor Palin.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
If you take a look at the comments, her column did not go over too well with the readers.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:50:07pm |
re: #174 Steffan
Indeed an excellent article.
Hearted - and updinged you.
Thanks.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:50:08pm |
re: #199 Iron Fist
No, I don't think dancing will be part of the order of that day. Some heartfelt prayer, but no dancing.
I plan to totally tune out. No exaggeration - I think the spectacle will literally turn my stomach.
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:50:12pm |
re: #198 Killgore Trout
More IDF video...
Hamas Booby Trapped School and Zoo[Video]
Do not try and turn this into a booby thread....
Oh, wait, it's about a boob isn't it.
Never mind.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:50:19pm |
re: #201 Dustyvet
No idea, never seen any author given credit for it.
certainly read like classic PJ........ that boy can write.
Remember, your body needs 6 to 8 glasses of fluid daily. Straight up or on the rocks.
O'Rourke, P.J.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:50:56pm |
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:51:20pm |
re: #189 LGoPs
It's illustrative that their most elite miltary unit is the Foreign Legion.....consisting of, by definiton, non-Frenchmen......
True, except the officers. ;-)>
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van helsing Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:51:31pm |
I see Buchanan is using the same fine research that he used for his absurd 'Churchill and Hitler' book.
What a maroon.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:51:58pm |
re: #177 Dustyvet
I have seen photographs of Hamas doing the "Goose Step"
And Hezbollah giving the Hitler salute.
IDF?
Nothing at all - but did see them praying ...
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:52:10pm |
re: #202 redc1c4
i'll be drinking heavily and ditching class.
no way i'm gonna sit there and listen to the moonbats that day.
Why not drink and go to class? That could be a blast.
On second thought, no.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:52:19pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:52:50pm |
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:53:11pm |
re: #183 Outrider
One of the sad aspects to this synopsis is individually and in certain units, the French Army is good and always has been. But, historically, they seem to have had the worst military leadership at the very senior levels as has ever been seen historically and worldwide.
Precisely. The last battlefield victory the French achieved on their own* was the First Battle of the Marne in September 1914, but then they sacked the French commander, Charles Lanrezac, for having retreated from the frontier the previous month.
*The British Expeditionary Force participated, but it was relatively small contingent.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:53:39pm |
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Steffan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:54:16pm |
re: #177 Dustyvet
I have seen photographs of Hamas doing the "Goose Step"
Hezbollah takes it one step further -- they've adopted the Nazi salute.
The only difference between Hamas/Hezbollah and the Nazis is that Hamas and Hezbollah wear green. Well, that and the ability to actually run a country, at least for a while. Hamas has proven beyond a doubt that they couldn't run a convenience store, let alone a country.
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chicagodudewhotrades Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:54:26pm |
This isn't really a valid criticism of PB, but C-SPAN followed him along with their cameras at his home while he explained his personal writing process. It just seemed to me that he had the most time-consuming gawd-awful process I have ever seen. Basically, a lot of re-drafts and revisions. I may have missed something, but the way he explained it just seemed overly complicated. If he is happy with it, okay we all have our personal quirks but I amazed he is able to get anything written with his system.
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:55:14pm |
re: #179 Iron Fist
Let me see, Wright is an anti-American anti-white bigot, and Ayers is a unrepetant motherfucking terrorist. Why shouldn't they bre the only thing that we hear about Obama?
snip
Why do the goddamn fucking Leftists get the pass?
Obama is unqualified in both the experience and the judgement to be President of the United States. He is going to be a disaster as President. He has shown us through his nominations for cabinet positions that this wasn't a momentary lapse in judgement on his part, but a pattern of behavior that is going to effect the country down to the very bedrock upon which it is built.
If you make the association with Obama's minister a issue, you could do the same with the some at Palin's church for example. As for Ayers, the association on a board and a meeting in his home was percieved as weak connection by the voters, especially when even some on the right had the same sort of connections with Ayers. If it could be shown that Obama heard those old sermons and remained silent, or that he was closers to Ayers, hammering it might have worked
I'm not saying either one was a respectable citizen, just that loose associations don't sway the voters and beating that dead horse got no where.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:55:21pm |
re: #221 buzzsawmonkey
Buchanan speaks the international lingua franca of Jew-hater Fellatio, which is a kind of Esperanto for bigots. It is the only tongue he needs.
Ooh, buzz is talkin' dirty!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:55:24pm |
re: #210 jcm
The Palestinians would have loved to get pictures of the dead animals and claim it was an Israeli missile. Also it looks like the fuse wires run under a stack of donated food bags left out in the rain to rot.
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mean Gene Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:55:28pm |
re: #198 Killgore Trout
Good find, KT!
Thanks.
Animals are not the ones in those cages.
They're the ones laying the fuse.
And, were those bags of donated food used as sandbags?
I couldn't read the labels.
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yochanan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:55:34pm |
re: #13 Dar ul Harb
I'm reminded of someone who used to post here whose nic was "Bat Puchanan".
(Truly memorable.)
RAT PUKEANAN
spell the momzar's name right
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:56:01pm |
re: #224 chicagodudewhotrades
This isn't really a valid criticism of PB, but C-SPAN followed him along with their cameras at his home while he explained his personal writing process. It just seemed to me that he had the most time-consuming gawd-awful process I have ever seen. Basically, a lot of re-drafts and revisions. I may have missed something, but the way he explained it just seemed overly complicated. If he is happy with it, okay we all have our personal quirks but I amazed he is able to get anything written with his system.
Analy retentive like other fascists.
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jwb7605 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:56:10pm |
re: #222 MandyManners
Sends chills down my spine.
Picture caption says Peaceful Hamas social workers.
For some reason the phrase "community organizer" popped into my head.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:56:44pm |
re: #225 avanti
If you make the association with Obama's minister a issue, you could do the same with the some at Palin's church for example. As for Ayers, the association on a board and a meeting in his home was percieved as weak connection by the voters, especially when even some on the right had the same sort of connections with Ayers. If it could be shown that Obama heard those old sermons and remained silent, or that he was closers to Ayers, hammering it might have worked
I'm not saying either one was a respectable citizen, just that loose associations don't sway the voters and beating that dead horse got no where.
An association of twenty years isn't generally recognized as a loose association. The majority of marriages don't last that long.
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BBev Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:57:16pm |
re: #207 Iron Fist
What foul language? That's just the vernacular, the same as I would address to my own mother...
I hear ya, I'm in construction and you should see when I'm mad! ! !
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:57:40pm |
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yochanan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:57:43pm |
re: #210 jcm
Do not try and turn this into a booby thread....
Oh, wait, it's about a boob isn't it.
Never mind.
GAZA IS ONE PURE BOOBY HATCH and RAT PUKEANAN IS THE KEEPER
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:58:47pm |
re: #233 Outrider
An association of twenty years isn't generally recognized as a loose association. The majority of marriages don't last that long.
We won't even mention the quotes Obama attributed to Wright referring to him as a mentor and guiding influence. Well, ok, I did mention them. This wasn't a loose association.
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:59:14pm |
re: #201 Dustyvet
No idea, never seen any author given credit for it.
I'm 99.9% certain it's in one of the books of his I've read. It's not new, but started making the rounds on the Internet in 2003.
Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordian.
.
That's Jed Babbin, rather than O'Rourke...
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yochanan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:00:12pm |
re: #234 buzzsawmonkey
"Fellatio" is a perfectly cromulent word.
FRANKLY I THINK RAT PUKEANAN is more into 'rimming' the HAMASSHOLES
please forgive the mental image but i really hate this momzar about at the same level as the A.N.S.W.E.R. S*****S
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:00:35pm |
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Steffan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:00:40pm |
re: #186 MandyManners
Why doesn't Pat just move to Brussels?
He doesn't speak Dutch or French, and he might trip over a leftover piece of ordinance from WWI. Besides, VB couldn't pay him as much as he's raking in now.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:01:27pm |
re: #219 Iron Fist
I'd say what I felt about this [deleted] bitch, but I'd just get my post deleted.
LOL, I got my response deleted on the newspaper site, and I did not use foul language either, just a scalpel.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:01:40pm |
re: #225 avanti
If you make the association with Obama's minister a issue, you could do the same with the some at Palin's church for example. As for Ayers, the association on a board and a meeting in his home was percieved as weak connection by the voters, especially when even some on the right had the same sort of connections with Ayers. If it could be shown that Obama heard those old sermons and remained silent, or that he was closers to Ayers, hammering it might have worked
I'm not saying either one was a respectable citizen, just that loose associations don't sway the voters and beating that dead horse got no where.
The reason it was a weak connection with the voters is because the MFM decided to make it a weak connection and downplay it or ignore it.
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:01:51pm |
re: #239 Spiny Norman
I'm 99.9% certain it's in one of the books of his I've read. It's not new, but started making the rounds on the Internet in 2003.
Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordian.
.
That's Jed Babbin, rather than O'Rourke...
When Euro Disney closed with a huge fireworks display last night, and closed the Park. Three hours later the entire French Army was at the gates, and demanded to Surrender to Micky Mouse.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:02:05pm |
re: #236 Dustyvet
For all LGB military folk who where paratroopers!...:)
Paratrooper's song
Airborne......
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:02:41pm |
re: #246 LGoPs
The reason it was a weak connection with the voters is because the MFM decided to make it a weak connection and downplay it or ignore it.
I forgot to add sheesh.......
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:02:55pm |
I have picked the Ravens and Eagles to be in the Superbowl. I do not have to like it.
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:03:10pm |
re: #227 Killgore Trout
The Palestinians would have loved to get pictures of the dead animals and claim it was an Israeli missile. Also it looks like the fuse wires run under a stack of donated food bags left out in the rain to rot.
Makes perfect sense.
Blow up my kids food.
Blame the juice.
*spit*
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:03:17pm |
re: #222 MandyManners
Sends chills down my spine.
That's just a random photo. Enter Hamas salute in Google Images, and you get hundreds of ones (showing both Hamas and Hizbullah incidentally - the difference being mainly that Hamas wears green while Hizbullah is yellow, although both are really drenched in red - the blood of their victims).
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:03:19pm |
re: #236 Dustyvet
For all LGB military folk who where paratroopers!...:)
Paratrooper's song
[Video]
Excellent. Here is one for goose bumps if you know the history of the legion.
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hazzyday Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:04:25pm |
re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rush owes McNabb an apology.
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Bloodnok Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:05:00pm |
re: #206 CapeCoddah
All that AND we are still getting disgusting hit pieces on Governor Palin.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
If you take a look at the comments, her column did not go over too well with the readers.
Marjorie Eagan is a Peggy Noonan wannabe. Her compass is all over the place. But the one thing she is consistent on is her desire to be accepted into the teaparty set.
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yochanan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:05:15pm |
i enjoyed chatting on line with my son (the one in Nahal Chardi) he enjoyed watch some of the gaza web cam esp the part with the helo and jets and told me to thank Charles for it i wish he had a LGF account but currently he only has a few hours of access to the web so he will never be able to sign up. CHARLES is there anyway i can get him a LGF account?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:06:40pm |
re: #234 buzzsawmonkey
"Fellatio" is a perfectly cromulent word.
I just can't see Hammer singing that.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:06:56pm |
re: #232 jwb7605
Picture caption says Peaceful Hamas social workers.
For some reason the phrase "community organizer" popped into my head.
You, too?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:07:18pm |
re: #255 hazzyday
The man is a football player.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:07:44pm |
re: #242 Steffan
He doesn't speak Dutch or French, and he might trip over a leftover piece of ordinance from WWI. Besides, VB couldn't pay him as much as he's raking in now.
Make money and trash the Jews! Whadda' gig.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:08:47pm |
re: #253 lawhawk
That's just a random photo. Enter Hamas salute in Google Images, and you get hundreds of ones (showing both Hamas and Hizbullah incidentally - the difference being mainly that Hamas wears green while Hizbullah is yellow, although both are really drenched in red - the blood of their victims).
Peas in an evil pod.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:10:09pm |
Giants picked the wrong time of the season to hit a slump. And got the wrong football team not to be playing at your peak against.
Ugly game.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:11:10pm |
Sorry, I am off topic here.
You mean to tell me the Cardinals are going to be playing the Eagles for the NFC Championship? Really?
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:11:39pm |
re: #238 Outrider
We won't even mention the quotes Obama attributed to Wright referring to him as a mentor and guiding influence. Well, ok, I did mention them. This wasn't a loose association.
Fair enough, but his but you need some proof that the mentoring was not just a minister bringing him to Christ and not only included the racist crap, but that it had a influence.
In my opinion, the voters did not agree 100% of the time with their own minsters every word and cut him some slack.
Those on the right were more predisposed to making it a issue then the middle or left. It's no difference then the Clinton BJ and following lies. The right was shocked that his approval numbers actually went up. It's all about perceptions of the importance of the issue and your take on it.
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Rancher Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:11:56pm |
re: #203 LGoPs
They get the pass because they own the media........and they will continue getting that pass until that ownership stops. I don't know how to effect that but until it changes and the media restores some modicum of balance, the Republic is in great peril.
The market is currently correcting this. Fox News continues to lead in the ratings and LLL Newspapers like the NY Times are going under. The Internet has already had an impact in forcing better balance especially blogs like LGF and will continue to do so. Talk radio is another force at work and even efforts like The Fairness Doctrine will fail to silence most, they will just move to satellite and of course to the net.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:19:19pm |
I don't think dropping leaflets or phoning in advance to warn of military action would be classified as "blitzkrieg".
However the Israelis DID use "blitzkrieg" tactics - in 1967 when they outflanked the entire Egytian army.
Buchanan is an idiot.
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:20:21pm |
re: #246 LGoPs
The reason it was a weak connection with the voters is because the MFM decided to make it a weak connection and downplay it or ignore it.
I can't agree with that, it was in the news for weeks and simply did not take root. Yes, the MSN is liberal leaning, but the issue certainly was not ignored. I recall lots of digging for a smoking gun, block buster headline. Fox for example, beat it to death for months. If the right had more information, I'm sure we would have heard it.
I think the McCain campaign ignored the issue because their own polling showed it did not resonate except on the right.
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hershel Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:20:44pm |
Buchanan blames Poland for starting WWII. That's like blaming Megan's Law on Megan, but I'm not surprised that Buchanan takes his ethical cues from NAMBLA.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:22:46pm |
re: #265 avanti
Fair enough, but his but you need some proof that the mentoring was not just a minister bringing him to Christ and not only included the racist crap, but that it had a influence.
In my opinion, the voters did not agree 100% of the time with their own minsters every word and cut him some slack.
Those on the right were more predisposed to making it a issue then the middle or left. It's no difference then the Clinton BJ and following lies. The right was shocked that his approval numbers actually went up. It's all about perceptions of the importance of the issue and your take on it.
uh. Obamas own words stating the words had influence. That is the purpose behind being a mentor. Remember, they were a guiding influence. That suffices for me.
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Spiny Norman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:23:58pm |
re: #269 avanti
I can't agree with that, it was in the news for weeks and simply did not take root. Yes, the MSN is liberal leaning, but the issue certainly was not ignored. I recall lots of digging for a smoking gun, block buster headline. Fox for example, beat it to death for months. If the right had more information, I'm sure we would have heard it.
I think the McCain campaign ignored the issue because their own polling showed it did not resonate except on the right.
Because McCain was more concerned with the Democrat voters than getting out the GOP base. When 5 million people who voted for Bush in 2004 stay home, that's a bigger problem.
Besides, last year was more of an "It's the economy, stupid" election, anyway, and the GOP dropped the ball on that one.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:24:43pm |
re: #269 avanti
I can't agree with that, it was in the news for weeks and simply did not take root. Yes, the MSN is liberal leaning, but the issue certainly was not ignored. I recall lots of digging for a smoking gun, block buster headline. Fox for example, beat it to death for months. If the right had more information, I'm sure we would have heard it.
I think the McCain campaign ignored the issue because their own polling showed it did not resonate except on the right.
Unfortunately, the public chose to ignore it. They can do that. That whole Hope and Changey thing.
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kansas Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:24:59pm |
In a world where putting panties on someone's head is torture, then the action in Gaza is a Blitzkreig. This is worst Blitzkreig since the Great Depression.
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ladycatnip Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:27:12pm |
Jacob Dayan, Israeli Consul General and senior representative to the Southwestern United States, spoke at our church this morning. It was incredible, inspirational and touching. He not only received spontaneous applause throughout his speech, but a standing ovation when he finished. Then he thanked Christians for our support of Israel and closed with a blessing to us in Hebrew.
To be so blessed and inspired this morning - then to come home and read the garbage Buchanan is spewing -- I just shake my head in wonder at how evil and deluded some people can be. And Buchanan is certainly one of them.
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WitchDoctor Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:28:35pm |
re: #72 redc1c4
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re: #23 jcm
Fuchanan, this is what Blitzkrieg looks like.
actually, no. that's what Russian set piece warfare looks like.
afterwards, anyway."
Actually (my apologies if this was stated above) that's what a city looks like when the Jewish quarter rises up in the belief that Soviet salvation is at hand, and then is brutally and ruthlessly destroyed while the Red Army sits around waiting for the killing to stop. stalin thought it great the nazis were doing his dirty work of killing potential Polish opposition to his incoming occupation. A truly shameful episode. If you want to see an incredible (yet also incredibly depressing) film on the subject, check out Kanal.
The far left has never and will never apologize for stalin. This fact alone negates their views in my eyes.
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Mike Nargizian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:28:40pm |
I saw this yesterday and DVR'd the whole thing... havent figured out how to dvr shows onto the computer yet -
Forget the blitzkrieg comment he said Gaza is a CONCENTRATION CAMP...... and then tried to justify it lol!
He later says to Cliff May (who's about 4ft tall btw) not included in your replay -
"You sound just like the Israeli Gov't."
My response would have been -
"Pat you sound just like a brown shirt apologist and while I wouldn't call you that or an anti-semite though the leader of your own movement did, because even you have a right to state your opinion without being labeled and diminished but you don't seem to have the same respect for others apparently"
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:35:02pm |
re: #267 Iron Fist
so you've got some footage of Palin's pastor saying "God damn America!" Calling for violence to be done against African-Americans? Praising the Ku Klux Klan?
I'm just trying to make the point that what you hear in church means little even you were there to hear it, which Obama was not.
Do you think Palin believes that terrorists attacks on Israel are God's judgment for them not accepting Christ for example ?
Daily Kos tried to make that a issue, and it just pissed me off.:
Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.
"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."
Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her."
I for one don't thing Palin believes that myself.
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Leonidas Hoplite Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:36:54pm |
re: #126 jcbunga
I'm no military expert, but what the Israelis are doing isn't remotely like a blitz. I believe that refers to mass armor penetrations accompanied by mounted infantry, followed by mass infantry to hold captured ground, all under mass air power.
I could be wrong, but ask the French. They saw it first hand.
The Iraqi Army saw it first hand too. Twice.
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Mike Nargizian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:37:03pm |
Pat then also later says -
The Israelis also created Hamas (which brought this on) to split Fatah
The Interviewer then says -
What are you talking about the we created Al Queda?
Pat wrote an article (which I blogged on at Daily Scorecard) at WND the day after the Lebanese Prime Minister was murdered by Syria blaming it on Israel telling Bush not to be duped by the Zionists....
The guy is a blatant conspiratorial raving angry anti-semite. His gloves have been completely off now since 9/11 sensing a favorable wind in his favor to unleash what he truly feels... after being embarrassed and shunned by his own party and the country in the 90's.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:38:40pm |
re: #281 avanti
I'm just trying to make the point that what you hear in church means little even you were there to hear it, which Obama was not.
But Obama himself SAID it made a difference. Obama SAID the preacher was his mentor. Obama SAID the preacher was a guiding influence.
That makes the difference.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:42:14pm |
re: #269 avanti
I can't agree with that, it was in the news for weeks and simply did not take root. Yes, the MSN is liberal leaning, but the issue certainly was not ignored. I recall lots of digging for a smoking gun, block buster headline. Fox for example, beat it to death for months. If the right had more information, I'm sure we would have heard it.
I think the McCain campaign ignored the issue because their own polling showed it did not resonate except on the right.
I think you underestimate the power of the media's megaphone and the effect that an unrelenting drumbeat of coverage has. They certainly do. Take for example the coverage of the Rodney King beating. The media played and replayed the video endlessly, stirring people up to the point where riots actually ensued and over 50 people died. Conversely, within a few months of 9-11, the footage of the attacks virtually ceased. No doubt for fear of whipping up rage.
The media knows the power it has and applies it selectively. What you define as liberal leaning, I define as a total abandonment of even the appearance of objectivity.
There is no doubt in my mind that if McCain had had an even fleeting relationship with an abortion bomber, we would have heard nothing but an endless drum beat of coverage until the desired effect was achieved.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:44:34pm |
re: #285 buzzsawmonkey
It is utterly absurd for you to draw any kind of equivalence between the words of a guest speaker at Palin's church--no matter what he said--and the hate spewed from the pulpit by Obama's pastor of twenty years.
Obama's line that he wasn't in church "that day" does not wash. Not when Wright is on record as saying other things, other days, that are equally outrageous as a matter of course. Not when his church bulletin--which Obama surely received--published propaganda by Hamas. Not when his church had a close working relationship with, and gave awards to, Louis Farrakhan.
No equivalence there at all.
I haven't checked recently, but as late as August the CDs of ALL of the preachers sermons were available for sale. One was much like the other making it irrelevant if Obama had even missed every other Sunday sermon. I still remember the original church web site before it was sterilized. It never occurred to me way back then to take screen shots. Who knew it would mean anything.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:46:33pm |
re: #286 LGoPs
I think you underestimate the power of the media's megaphone and the effect that an unrelenting drumbeat of coverage has. They certainly do. Take for example the coverage of the Rodney King beating. The media played and replayed the video endlessly, stirring people up to the point where riots actually ensued and over 50 people died. Conversely, within a few months of 9-11, the footage of the attacks virtually ceased. No doubt for fear of whipping up rage.
The media knows the power it has and applies it selectively. What you define as liberal leaning, I define as a total abandonment of even the appearance of objectivity.
There is no doubt in my mind that if McCain had had an even fleeting relationship with an abortion bomber, we would have heard nothing but an endless drum beat of coverage until the desired effect was achieved.
And I remember when the video was shown in its entirety the first time, when the first quarter was shown with Rodney like a raging bull that couldn't be kept down.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:49:51pm |
re: #281 avanti
I'm just trying to make the point that what you hear in church means little even you were there to hear it, which Obama was not.
Do you think Palin believes that terrorists attacks on Israel are God's judgment for them not accepting Christ for example ?Daily Kos tried to make that a issue, and it just pissed me off.:
Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.
"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."
Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her."
I for one don't thing Palin believes that myself.
I think we can agree that Obama is an ambitious and calculating man and has been planning his career for quite some time. We can also agree that he's smart and could not have been unaware that the venom being spewed by his pastor could become uncomfortable to deal with as his ambitions matured. That he was comfortable enough with what was being said to put his ambitions at risk tells me a lot about what he believes.
Without the admitted, wholesale support of the major media, what he would have been subjected to would have been a nightly repetition, ad nauseum, of Wright's "Goddamn America". Were he Republican, that is exactly what would have happened.
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:50:29pm |
re: #284 Outrider
But Obama himself SAID it made a difference. Obama SAID the preacher was his mentor. Obama SAID the preacher was a guiding influence.
That makes the difference.
OK, resolved, it made a difference on the right, but the rest of the voters apparently did not give a shit, and there lies the problem. For me, all I heard from the right was attacks on Obama, and the voters liked the hope and change thing better. We can discuss who was correct until the cows come home, but one tactic worked, the other did not.
I'm so sick of the Ayers Wright thing, I won't take a stand either way and drop it.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:52:43pm |
re: #288 Outrider
And I remember when the video was shown in its entirety the first time, when the first quarter was shown with Rodney like a raging bull that couldn't be kept down.
You are sbsolutely correct. That was an intentional edit and substantially altered the perception of what happened and arguably led to the frenzy of rioting that eventually followed. Goddamn the media.
Also omitted was the fact that there was another individual in King's car, also black, who was untouched because he did what the police told him to do. If the police were just a bunch of racists, why didn't they beat the crap out of him too?
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least Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:55:28pm |
Buchanan's gone from being a pretty articulate voice of conservativism to being a pretty articulate voice of absolute lunacy.
He's yet another example of why we can't put our full faith and trust in a human.
Humans evolve, don'tcha know.
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:59:37pm |
re: #293 least
Buchanan's gone from being a pretty articulate voice of conservativism to being a pretty articulate voice of absolute lunacy.
He's yet another example of why we can't put our full faith and trust in a human.
Humans evolve, don'tcha know.
PB has nothing notable to say so he should just have a nice drink
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:07:26pm |
re: #291 avanti
OK, resolved, it made a difference on the right, but the rest of the voters apparently did not give a shit, and there lies the problem. For me, all I heard from the right was attacks on Obama, and the voters liked the hope and change thing better. We can discuss who was correct until the cows come home, but one tactic worked, the other did not.
I'm so sick of the Ayers Wright thing, I won't take a stand either way and drop it.`
It should have made a difference to everyone. The fact that it didn't is a sad commentary on the priorities of the voters. I find it ironic the voters find Obama as the victim of attacks while all Obama did was stress hope and change. The reality is quite removed from that perspective. Ha. Ask Palin if the Democrats didn't launch ad hominem attacks. ;-)>
And yes, the tactic worked. Doesn't alter facts - just the outcome.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:38:13pm |
re: #291 avanti
OK, resolved, it made a difference on the right, but the rest of the voters apparently did not give a shit, and there lies the problem. For me, all I heard from the right was attacks on Obama, and the voters liked the hope and change thing better. We can discuss who was correct until the cows come home, but one tactic worked, the other did not.
I'm so sick of the Ayers Wright thing, I won't take a stand either way and drop it.`
it didn't make a difference to the sheep because the MSM gave it to them, when they mentioned it at all, in a manner designed to ensure it didn't.
they no longer carry news, they carry propaganda deliberately designed to support their views and candidates and denigrate or destroy anything they oppose.
that you will either not see or not admit this makes you their accomplice in crime.
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Hanoch Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:56:22pm |
I second CapeCoddah # 11. This is truly astonishing (to me, at least).
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avanti Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:58:57pm |
re: #301 redc1c4
so, evidently, is avanti.
I will reply to that. If folks assume that everyone that did not vote to support their candidate, be he/she be from the left or right because they are either duped or a fool, you may be the fool. I may not be social liberal, but that's just a opinion that's neither foolish nor astute, it's the way I feel.
I never labeled a McCain voter a fool, just someone that supported another candidate, as is there right. I have friends on the right that would not vote for Abe Lincoln if he was pro choice for example. That's not a foolish stand, just a issue they feel differently about then I do.
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Ben G. Hazi Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:43:18pm |
re: #299 Iron Fist
That is one of the reasons that we can't allow ourselves to run with unsavory characters like DeWinter. It will come back to haunt us. Tim McVeigh was in no way associated to the Militia Movement. The closest he came to it was attending a few meetings of th eMichagan Militia who told him in no uncertain terms to get lost. When he set off the Oklahoma City Bomb, even that tenuous a link pretty well destroyed the Militia Movement.
The Left, OTOH, can have unrepetant terrorists sit on their boards and teach in their colleges with no real disapproval. The press give them a pass.
This is the point that totally escapes useful idiots like Pamela that associate with and curry favor with neo-/crypto-Nazis and European "nationalists" while trying to be a part of the wider anti-jihadi fight...I'm not gonna tell anyone who to hang with or who not to hang with, but Pamela and others like her ought not be surprised when people with common sense and a real and grounded sense of history (like us) avoid them and their goosestepping allies like the plague.
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pembroke1624 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:02:06pm |
Pat Buchanan is disgusting.
Everyone should write to the programs that invite him on and tell them to ban him.
The Imus in the Morning radio show is a good place to start. Their email address is:
imusonair@gmail.com
The sooner this awful Buchanan finds himself without media outlets, the better.
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aaron's rantblog Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:17:59pm |
Shame on Hannity and Town Hall and WND for allowing Pat Bukkkanan a forum.
Shame on the Town Hall columnists for not withholding their content until Pat is ejected forever.
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BLBfootballs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:31:57pm |
Buchanan is such a disgrace to the American conservative movement. The Republicans are blessed more than they know to be rid of their association with him. Good riddance!
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hous bin pharteen Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:54:24pm |
I am a tried and true AMERICAN. An Irish one else well. To hell with the Neo-Nazis and their friends, and the Che t-shirt wearing socialist and their commie buddies, and the damn Islamic Jihadists. I will fight them ALL. And these Satan loving monsters beware. When you mess with the best, your going to end dying with the rest! We have sent the British home hear and in Ireland, the Germans and Japanese back to their home in WW2, the Soviets out of East Germany, and the Islamic nut jobs out of Kuwait and Iraq. Like that great American said: "We have not BEGUN to fight". At least those other countries (England, Japan, Germany, etc) have become our friends and have become better people.
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yochanan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:11:18pm |
i say he name should be RAT PUKEANAN for ever more.
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rumcrook Sun, Jan 11, 2009 10:08:22pm |
why oh why couldnt it have been pat buchanaan found playing footsy in an airport stall instead of some banal milktoast republican senator?
it would have driven a stake through this guy's career and I wouldnt have to listen to him and wretch.
comon pat! take one for team america get cought hanging out in a park after dark, or an airport restroom.
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I Need A Bigger Gun Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:39:22pm |
re: #31 rwmofo
Could have gone the rest of
the daymy life without seeing Buchanan.
That's more like it.
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I Need A Bigger Gun Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:46:50pm |
re: #291 avanti
OK, resolved, it made a difference on the right, but the rest of the voters apparently did not give a shit, and there lies the problem. For me, all I heard from the right was attacks on Obama, and the voters liked the hope and change thing better. We can discuss who was correct until the cows come home, but one tactic worked, the other did not.
I'm so sick of the Ayers Wright thing, I won't take a stand either way and drop it.The rest of the voters didn't give a shit because all they want is a hand-out, and they don't care about the character of the man who promises to give them that hand-out. They WILL start to care when that hand-out never comes.
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88keyman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:51:11am |
When Buchanan is on Sean Hannity's radio show, Hannity treats him like a dear friend. Imagine if his guest was David Duke and he tried the old "I don't always agree with everything he says, but ... " maneuver before introducing and treating him with obvious fondness.
So don't be taken in by Hannity's veneer of decency and joviality. You don't feel affection for an Israel-loathing anti-Semite unless there's something seriously wrong with you.
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Ron Shaw Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:02:14am |
re: #17 jemima
Hating evil isn't a bad thing. It clarifies life for you.
Absolutely correct!
Hating evil is a very good thing...and obviously this has to be the best of times and the worst of times with such abundance of life clarifying potential.
Not since WWII has the world seen such organized evil and it all seems to be aimed at all non-followers of the supposed religion of peace.
Evidently, hating freedom, hating America, hating the West and the all-but-one brutal mentality of religious intolerance is at times seemingly campy as as well as easy...fighting against those who hate is not. PB is a hater!
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