The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
— Carl Sagan
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:53:42am |
Morons are people who occasionally say the right things, always at the wrong time.
Umberto Eco
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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:53:42am |
Whoa whoa whoa! I dry the line. I loved the Grand Prize Game. Genius.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:54:31am |
I was feeling some extreme love coming my way this morning, so I checked the referrers page, and sure enough - it’s coming from Free Republic:
lgf is a cancer on the conservative movement.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:55:00am |
They laughed at Carl Sagan too….but only because of the way he said billions and billions. I loved watching NOVA…what a great show.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:56:00am |
Shortly after class, an economics student approaches his economics professor and says, “I don’t understand this stimulus bill. Can you explain it to me?”
The professor replied, “I don’t have any time to explain it at my office, but if you come over to my house on Saturday and help me with my weekend project, I’ll be glad to explain it to you.” The student agreed.
At the agreed-upon time, the student showed up at the professor’s house. The professor stated that the weekend project involved his backyard pool.
They both went out back to the pool, and the professor handed the student a bucket. Demonstrating with his own bucket, the professor said, “First, go over to the deep end, and fill your bucket with as much water as you can.” The student did as he was instructed.
The professor then continued, “Follow me over to the shallow end, and then dump all the water from your bucket into it.” The student was naturally confused, but did as he was told.
The professor then explained they were going to do this many more times, and began walking back to the deep end of the pool.
The confused student asked, “Excuse me, but why are we doing this?”
The professor matter-of-factly stated that he was trying to make the shallow end much deeper.
The student didn’t think the economics professor was serious, but figured that he would find out the real story soon enough.
However, after the 6th trip between the shallow end and the deep end, the student began to become worried that his economics professor had gone mad. The student finally replied, “All we’re doing is wasting valuable time and effort on unproductive pursuits. Even worse, when this process is all over, everything will be at the same level it was before, so all you’ll really have accomplished is the destruction of what could have been truly productive action!”
The professor put down his bucket and replied with a smile, “Congratulations. You now understand the stimulus bill.”
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:56:13am |
re: #3 Charles
I was feeling some extreme love coming my way this morning, so I checked the referrers page, and sure enough - it’s coming from Free Republic:
Are you shaking in your boots, Charles? They are getting the tar and feathers ready!
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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:56:58am |
re: #3 Charles
If LGF is cancer, I don’t want to be healthy.
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:56:58am |
re: #3 Charles
I was feeling some extreme love coming my way this morning, so I checked the referrers page, and sure enough - it’s coming from Free Republic,:
A Theme song for them?
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tedzilla99 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:57:03am |
Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. - Jack Handey
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:57:53am |
re: #7 Desert Dog
Are you shaking in your boots, Charles? They are getting the tar and feathers ready!
What in tar nation?
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jwb7605 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:58:08am |
re: #3 Charles
I was feeling some extreme love coming my way this morning, so I checked the referrers page, and sure enough - it’s coming from Free Republic:
Was this the entire quote?
To: EveningStar“little green footballs” is pseudo-conservative. they would rather take pot-shots at genuine conservatives than defeat the liberals.
lgf is a cancer on the conservative movement.
If I’m not a “genuine conservative”, I’m a bit confused.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:58:21am |
re: #3 Charles
I was feeling some extreme love coming my way this morning, so I checked the referrers page, and sure enough - it’s coming from Free Republic:
I never heard of them, but looking at their introduction…
“Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We’re working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!”
And then looking at some of those comment in that thread you linked to…
Bullshit.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:58:57am |
re: #8 Oh no…Sand People!
If LGF is cancer, I don’t want to be healthy.
And if LGF is wrong, I don’t wanna be right.
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ornery elephant Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:59:28am |
re: #14 pat
And they will laugh at Obama.
A little song, a little dance…a little seltzer down The O’s pants
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:59:36am |
re: #3 Charles
The natives are restless.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:59:47am |
re: #13 Walter L. Newton
I never heard of them, but looking at their introduction…
“Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We’re working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!”
And then looking at some of those comment in that thread you linked to…
Bullshit.
Funny, looking at that same thread, I was thinking “Hoo-yah” was quite accurate.
;)
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jwb7605 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:00:17am |
re: #13 Walter L. Newton
I never heard of them, but looking at their introduction…
“Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We’re working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!”
And then looking at some of those comment in that thread you linked to…
Bullshit.
When you see the term “freepers”, that’s what the term means.
I unsubscribed from their daily horseshit long ago.
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FrogMarch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:00:43am |
Free Republic has a frustrating layout. I don’t even go there- ever.
Now - I realize I’m not missing anything.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:00:57am |
re: #21 gmsc
Funny, looking at that same thread, I was thinking “Hoo-yah” was quite accurate.
;)
I don’t understand? “Hoo-yah” is something special?
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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:01:00am |
Well, it’s past my bedtime in these parts. Later all.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:01:15am |
re: #13 Walter L. Newton
They are a pretty nutty site. Lots of conspiracy theories and they spend a lot of time spaming online polls. The web design is so 1995.
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winston06 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:01:17am |
re: #3 Charles
And FR is full of it now ( I am saying this as a former member of FR)
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:02:11am |
re: #25 Walter L. Newton
I don’t understand? “Hoo-yah” is something special?
Not really, it just made me think of “yah-hoo”, which I think fits.
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:02:32am |
Interesting:
CIA warns Barack Obama that British terrorists are the biggest threat to the US
It’s from the Telegraph, a U.K. paper.
From the article:
They (the CIA) believe that a British-born Pakistani extremist entering the US under the visa waiver programme is the most likely source of another terrorist spectacular on American soil.
Not sure what to think about all this.
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gunslingah Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:03:07am |
The Obama has been President for less than three weeks. Let’s check the results so far:
-We have a Treasury Secretary who failed to pay his own taxes. Now he’s running the IRS…
-Two other tax cheats didn’t get the jobs The Obama wanted them to have
-We are about to get an $800 billion porkulus bill shoved down our throats, and our kids and grandkids will be stuck with the bill
-In the middle of a war, we have a new CIA chief with zero intelligence experience
-The terrorists who bombed the USS Cole have had the charges dropped against them
-We are about to close Guantanamo, so that more terrorists can return to the jihad
-A.Q. Khan has been released from house arrest, so that he can re-open his global nuclear bazaar
-Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, and Venezuela are all going out of their way to poke their thumbs in our eye
That’s the tally so far.
Remember, we’re only eighteen days in.
We may end up looking back at the Carter Administration with nostalgia.
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TedStriker Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:04:06am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:04:14am |
re: #22 jwb7605
When you see the term “freepers”, that’s what the term means. I unsubscribed from their daily horseshit long ago.
I’ve heard the term, but I was never curious as to who they were. I am pretty much a simple conservative. Don’t hurt me or I will hurt you, don’t tell me what to do with my body or body parts, especially with in the confines of my home, and don’t tell me I have to believe in the supernatural. Follow those rules and I’ll be nice to you.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:04:55am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:05:35am |
re: #37 MandyManners
I think there was some Ron Paul support but they were mostly Fred Heads. I seem to recall they spammed an LGF poll for Fred during the primaries.
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LGoPs Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:06:00am |
Wasn’t Bozo a Chicago phenomenon? I grew up watching him. Not sure if the idea was copied and used elsewhere…..
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albusteve Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:06:04am |
re: #22 jwb7605
When you see the term “freepers”, that’s what the term means.
I unsubscribed from their daily horseshit long ago.
do they have cool arm bands?
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:06:08am |
re: #23 MandyManners
Doesn’t the bill remove water completely from the pool?
The joke started based on a line from Walter William’s column titled There Is No Santa:
A visual representation of the stimulus package is: Imagine you see a person at work taking buckets of water from the deep end of a swimming pool and dumping them into the shallow end in an attempt to make it deeper. You would deem him stupid. That scenario is equivalent to what Congress and the new president proposes for the economy.
The whole column is definitely worth a read.
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TedStriker Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:06:09am |
re: #3 Charles
I was feeling some extreme love coming my way this morning, so I checked the referrers page, and sure enough - it’s coming from Free Republic:
Freepers like that can go eat a bag of d**ks…they wouldn’t know real conservatism if it landed on their pointy little heads.
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Randall Gross Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:06:45am |
There is a large following over there, but it’s mostly paleo.
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bruxellesblog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:06:49am |
And so goes the Republican Party down the Southern Strategy highway to absurdity and irrelevance. Someday, I’d like to win California again. Really…Honestly I would.
Another Scopes Monkey Trial ain’t gonna get it done…
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realwest Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:07:24am |
re: #3 Charles
Hey Charles - reposting my comment to you when you (I think) first posted this:
Charming, just charming. But look at it this way, the Freepers could be saying NICE things about LGF and that would be a lot worse!
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tedzilla99 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:07:32am |
re: #5 gmsc
The professor put down his bucket and replied with a smile, “Congratulations. You now understand the stimulus bill.”
Genius!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:07:41am |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
I think there was some Ron Paul support but they were mostly Fred Heads. I seem to recall they spammed an LGF poll for Fred during the primaries.
They spammed polls, gee, sort of doesn’t ring true with their intro…
…to root out political fraud and corruption…
I guess that doesn’t pertain to them when it comes to gerry rigging polls.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:08:10am |
re: #43 LGoPs
Wasn’t Bozo a Chicago phenomenon? I grew up watching him. Not sure if the idea was copied and used elsewhere…..
Yes, he was born and developed in Chi town and then syndicated to other cities.
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jwb7605 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:08:11am |
re: #44 albusteve
do they have cool arm bands?
Some of them must have, from what I’ve seen.
It’s one of those “looks really right on the mark” sites during a political cycle, and then the “roots” get exposed when things calm down and there are less pressing matters to write about.
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slartybartfast Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:08:37am |
Good news from SE Missouri — Mom’s electricity was just restored! She was w/o power for only 11 days!
Oh, and the RNC called her again yesterday. I think they got as far as, “Are you aware that the Democrats are trying to…” before she tore them a new one. Mom’s a die-hard Republican but, like me, she’s a little disappointed in their lack of leadership. And, being w/o electricity for almost 2 wks might have made her a little cranky…
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winston06 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:08:38am |
re: #47 Thanos
They have some Bozos there too but mostly the members are decent and well behaved
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LGoPs Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:09:03am |
re: #43 LGoPs
Wasn’t Bozo a Chicago phenomenon? I grew up watching him. Not sure if the idea was copied and used elsewhere…..
Answered my own question…he was franchised all over.
en.wikipedia.org
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bruxellesblog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:09:31am |
do you honestly think you can protect America from islamonazis & other enemies foreign & domestic while the culture disappears in a drug-and-porn induced haze?
Gosh, I sure do hope so. But I tell ya, driving down the 405 at 90 miles an hour without spilling the bong is tough when that porn haze rolls in thick…
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:09:43am |
Palestinians embrace art and culture….
Yahoo pic
Palestinians visit an art exhibition at the Al Quds Hospital, which was heavily damaged in Israel’s recent military offensive last month, in Gaza City, in this picture taken Thursday, Feb. 5, 2009. Photos dangled from the charred ceiling, paintings decorated soot-stained walls. Red shards from the shattered roof lined pathways cleared through broken glass
“I think that I shall never see A picture as lovely as a dead baby”
/Hamas poetry
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swamprat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:09:57am |
A bit of cheer I found by accident; Amateurs better than most.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:10:21am |
re: #43 LGoPs
I think it was a franchise. Each town had their own Bozo.
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:10:24am |
re: #34 subsailor68
Interesting:
CIA warns Barack Obama that British terrorists are the biggest threat to the US
It’s from the Telegraph, a U.K. paper.
From the article:
They (the CIA) believe that a British-born Pakistani extremist entering the US under the visa waiver programme is the most likely source of another terrorist spectacular on American soil.
Not sure what to think about all this.
I don’t disagree, actually.
The UK is full of radicalized second- and third-generation Muslim immigrants, mostly Pakistanis. Since they were born and raised in an English-speaking Western nation, instead of a third world shithole, they stand a much better chance of being able to successfully pull off a sophisticated attack than does someone whose “education” consisted of memorizing the Koran in a language they don’t read or write.
Plus, they have British passports, which will go a long way toward letting them into the US unnoticed.
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'Nam Grunt Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:10:58am |
President Michael Steele sounds good to me, at least he will bring ADULT Leadership to the office, and he’s not beyond firing incompetent assholes!
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eon Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:11:33am |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
I’ve heard the term, but I was never curious as to who they were. I am pretty much a simple conservative. Don’t hurt me or I will hurt you, don’t tell me what to do with my body or body parts, especially with in the confines of my home, and don’t tell me I have to believe in the supernatural. Follow those rules and I’ll be nice to you.
Add in “And if you screw up your life, don’t expect me to pay the bills for your therapy”, and we could have been separated at birth.
cheers
eon
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:12:10am |
re: #64 ‘Nam Grunt
Hot Air is reporting that he has a financial scandal brewing.
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LGoPs Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:12:28am |
re: #62 Killgore Trout
I think it was a franchise. Each town had their own Bozo.
DC got the lions share of the Franchise. There’s hundreds of them running around up there to this day…….
/
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:12:42am |
re: #63 lobo91
Your last sentence:
Plus, they have British passports, which will go a long way toward letting them into the US unnoticed.
I think you’ve hit on one of the big issues here!
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Colonel Panik Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:13:31am |
re: #37 MandyManners
Were they Paulians?
There were some Paulians there, but they were often ridiculed, just as they were here on LGF. Most Freepers backed either Fred, Romney, or Duncan Hunter.
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Harry Tuttle Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:13:47am |
re: #5 gmsc
Shortly after class, an economics student approaches his economics professor and says, “I don’t understand this stimulus bill. Can you explain it to me?”
The professor replied, “I don’t have any time to explain it at my office, but if you come over to my house on Saturday and help me with my weekend project, I’ll be glad to explain it to you.” The student agreed.
At the agreed-upon time, the student showed up at the professor’s house. The professor stated that the weekend project involved his backyard pool.
They both went out back to the pool, and the professor handed the student a bucket. Demonstrating with his own bucket, the professor said, “First, go over to the deep end, and fill your bucket with as much water as you can.” The student did as he was instructed.
The professor then continued, “Follow me over to the shallow end, and then dump all the water from your bucket into it.” The student was naturally confused, but did as he was told.
The professor then explained they were going to do this many more times, and began walking back to the deep end of the pool.
The confused student asked, “Excuse me, but why are we doing this?”
The professor matter-of-factly stated that he was trying to make the shallow end much deeper.
The student didn’t think the economics professor was serious, but figured that he would find out the real story soon enough.
However, after the 6th trip between the shallow end and the deep end, the student began to become worried that his economics professor had gone mad. The student finally replied, “All we’re doing is wasting valuable time and effort on unproductive pursuits. Even worse, when this process is all over, everything will be at the same level it was before, so all you’ll really have accomplished is the destruction of what could have been truly productive action!”
The professor put down his bucket and replied with a smile, “Congratulations. You now understand the stimulus bill.”
The spendulous bill is more like this:
You fill your pool with dog poo.
Then go and clean the pools of Pelosi and Biden for their upcoming party.
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:14:27am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Seeing that we’re talking about conservatism, there is a book I’ve started reading, it came yesterday, all the way from your great country:
NeoConservatism: Why We Need It (Hardcover)
by Douglas Murray
I got it because of this littlegreenfootballs.com
If you haven’t got it - get it!
If it happens to sit on your shelves, unread - read it!
I think its another of the important books in the Lizard Library!
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BruxellesBlog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:14:42am |
re: #61 MandyManners
Particularly tough to clean the windows afterward too…
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FrogMarch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:14:44am |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
Hard to understand why we refer to them as a “Death Cult”.
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BignJames Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:15:06am |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Hot Air is reporting that he has a financial scandal brewing.
Wonder what it is? Unpaid taxes aren’t a problem.
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:15:27am |
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:15:31am |
re: #69 subsailor68
Your last sentence:
Plus, they have British passports, which will go a long way toward letting them into the US unnoticed.
I think you’ve hit on one of the big issues here!
The whole passport/immigration thing is one of the huge problems with letting Turkey into the EU, as well.
The Turks are going to let any Muslim “refugee” who wants to come into their country. Once they get there, they’ll be given an EU passport. That gives them more or less free access to the rest of Europe, as well as the US and Canada.
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Colonel Panik Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:16:25am |
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FrogMarch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:16:26am |
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eon Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:16:36am |
re: #69 subsailor68
Your last sentence:
Plus, they have British passports, which will go a long way toward letting them into the US unnoticed.
I think you’ve hit on one of the big issues here!
Any “action” The One takes in such a situation would be in consultation with the British Government, meaning Gordon Brown, who is already doing a 24/7 suckup to Sharia in Britain itself. This translates to “we don’t want to offend them, so we’re not going to do anything.”
After something goes “boom”, of course, the finger-pointing will begin.
cheers
eon
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:16:56am |
re: #76 BignJames
Wonder what it is? Unpaid taxes aren’t a problem.
Steele isn’t a Democrat, so of course they are.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:17:06am |
re: #58 MandyManners
I gotta’ go chop some stuff for dinner. bbl
I understand there’s an easier way to do that now …
Youtube Video
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:17:37am |
re: #78 lobo91
The whole passport/immigration thing is one of the huge problems with letting Turkey into the EU, as well.
The Turks are going to let any Muslim “refugee” who wants to come into their country. Once they get there, they’ll be given an EU passport. That gives them more or less free access to the rest of Europe, as well as the US and Canada.
That’s what’s bothering me I guess. Your example is very similar to money laundering. Once they’ve been “laundered”, isn’t it just a bit more difficult to track them? Sure seems so.
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cajinmonk Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:18:35am |
Economic outlook by Congressional Budget Office forecasts for 2009 a $63 billion decline in nominal GDP from 2008, less than one-half of one percent (-0.44% = [14,241 - 14,304]/14,304); see Table 1 on page3.
This forecast does NOT include the effects of a possible fiscal stimulus package; see bottom page 2 under “Near Term Outlook”.
The CBO report (testimony) is at:
So, why are we/they/whatever spending a TRILLION dollars to “fix” a $63 billion decline from 2008?
Am I reading the CBO report incorrectly, or what?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:18:44am |
re: #80 FrogMarch
That looks like it. I really didn’t check the story out.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:18:59am |
re: #73 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Seeing that we’re talking about conservatism, there is a book I’ve started reading, it came yesterday, all the way from your great country:
NeoConservatism: Why We Need It (Hardcover)
by Douglas MurrayI got it because of this [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
If you haven’t got it - get it!
If it happens to sit on your shelves, unread - read it!I think its another of the important books in the Lizard Library!
{yma} how are ya? thanks for the tip..
How is the weather today? It is so warm today the snow melted…
I can’t wait for springtime
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LGoPs Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:19:48am |
re: #76 BignJames
Wonder what it is? Unpaid taxes aren’t a problem.
Be careful now. Unpaid taxes are not a problem for Democrats.…….. If a Republican didn’t eat their vegetables last night, the MFM would turn it into an issue……..
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:20:44am |
For the Steele fans….
RNC Chairman Michael Steele Delivers Weekly Republican Address.
Liveleak Video
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Harry Tuttle Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:21:18am |
Hmnnn:
Reporter restrained after Panetta hearing
Following Leon Panetta’s confirmation hearing Thursday, several reporters approached the CIA director-designate in the hallway outside room G-50 in the Dirksen Building.
There, CongressDaily reporter Chris Strohm — upon asking a question — was physically restrained by a man who accompanied Panetta at hearings both days.
Strohm, when reached by phone Friday, said he was unsure of the man’s role.
“I felt this hand grab my right arm and push me aside,” Strohm said.
By his account, Strohm told the man, “Please don’t touch me” more than once. Eventually, the man let him go.
Tim Starks, a reporter for Congressional Quarterly, said he witnessed Strohm approach Panetta and ask a question, just before the man began “grabbing him by the arm and moving him away.”
“I said to the guy, ‘That’s not the way you do it,’” recalled Starks.
Starks said that he’s covered the CIA for years and had never seen a reporter strong-armed that way before, adding that the agency is typically respectful of journalists.
Reflecting on the incident, Strohm played it down somewhat, saying that he’s “had worse happen” while reporting.
A staff assistant at The Panetta Institute said they are not addressing any media inquiries before Panetta’s confirmation. The White House declined to comment.
After today’s hearing, there was no similar incident: Panetta briefly answered questions from reporters.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:21:42am |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
He obviously doesn’t fish.
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:22:41am |
re: #80 FrogMarch
you mean, this?
From that link
The Washington Post has quite a hit job on Michael Steele on the front page this morning, with an above-the-fold story alleging he violated a number of campaign-finance rules. Despite the purple language and frothy allegations of the story, my in-house (literally) campaign-finance expert says it is far from clear that Steele actually violated any of the increasingly arcane and impossible-to-explain federal campaign finance laws, but of course as we all know it’s the appearance of impropriety that counts for Republicans.
Any word on when the Post is going to look into the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of foreign contributions Obama illegally accepted during the campaign?
Nope, didn’t think so…
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eon Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:23:27am |
re: #91 Harry Tuttle
Sounds like Panetta’s security detail is channeling Robert Penn Warren.
/All The King’s Men, that is.
cheers
eon
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:23:46am |
Hamas converts hospitals into jails
Hamas back to old ways: According to Palestinian Ministry of Health in West Bank, Hamas expels medical staff from Gaza hospitals, takes control of entire wards in order to use them for torture, imprisonment
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FrogMarch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:23:54am |
re: #86 Killgore Trout
That looks like it. I really didn’t check the story out.
I just read the hotair post by Ed. I hope it’s nothing . Republicans have to be perfect and squeaky clean. That’s the standard. Only democrats seem to be able to cover most of their huge and not so huge blunders. (Frank, Dodd et al)
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:24:02am |
re: #87 HoosierHoops
{yma} how are ya? thanks for the tip..
How is the weather today? It is so warm today the snow melted…
I can’t wait for springtime
Hiya, {HH}!
Its been dry and very cold here in South Wales - snow in england, more snow to come, and ice - we’re just glad that the sun dried everything today: no slithering about tomorrow!
Some intrepid daffodils have started to come above ground, and one clump in a sheltered spot even has the first flower buds!
And, would you believe, a camelia bush, in a planter next to a hosue in my street is already flowering!
Spring is definitely coming, the birds are starting to sing for their territories already!
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:24:45am |
re: #89 LGoPs
Be careful now. Unpaid taxes are not a problem for Democrats.…….. If a Republican didn’t eat their vegetables last night, the MFM would turn it into an issue……..
Come on, the real crime Mr. Steele is guilty of is being an “Oreo” in the eyes of the Obamatrons….black on the outside, white on the inside. So, they will use everything they can to destroy him….this is only the beginning
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FrogMarch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:24:46am |
re: #93 lobo91
Any word on when the Post is going to look into the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of foreign contributions Obama illegally accepted during the campaign?
Nope, didn’t think so…
but of course as we all know it’s the appearance of impropriety that counts for Republicans
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gregg Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:24:57am |
re: #76 BignJames
Wonder what it is? Unpaid taxes aren’t a problem.
Diversion of campaign funds to family members. It’s interesting that the WaPo got their information from sealed documents “accidentally” sent by the US Attorney’s office.
To make a comeback, I think Republicans need to regain the mantle of small government/fiscal constraint and stay clear of scandal (because of the MSM, one Republican scandal = twenty Democratic scandals).
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:24:59am |
Oregon introduces bill to ban aftermarket car parts
Cars are such an easy target for politicians looking to bolster their green image. The latest is Oregon Governor Theodore Kulongoski, who has had the Speaker of the House introduce a bill that could make many aftermarket parts unavailable.
Tires are the main aim of the bill, which seeks to prohibit parts availability if there are choices that decrease greenhouse gas emissions. It amounts to a back-door fuel economy standard, which is the jurisdiction of the federal government unless you’re California –and even they need a waiver. The prospect of fitting Pilot Sports to your Geo Metro will be out the window if H.B. 2186 finds traction, and it could stick you with zero alternatives based on some myopic metric like rolling resistance. Putting our legislators in charge of what equipment should be fitted to our cars doesn’t strike us as the brightest idea. Hit the linked article for contact information, so you know who to call and excoriate. Thanks, Charlie!
[Source: SEMA]
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:25:03am |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
For the Steele fans….
RNC Chairman Michael Steele Delivers Weekly Republican Address.[Video]
He’s taking a page from the Olbermann playbook. Turning around to face a different way every minute or so.
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soxfan4life Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:25:24am |
re: #93 lobo91
Well you know Matthews said it was his job to make sure this administration is a success. If he can pull that off I might consider voting for the bastard even though I can’t stand him.
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:26:45am |
re: #95 Killgore Trout
WTF? And from the article:
“In addition, the Ministry also called Hamas “to halt the stealing of medical aid sent to the Strip most of which (Hamas) has redirected to the organization’s warehouses and centers.”
So now we know (as if we didn’t already) what happens to the humanitarian aid sent to the area.
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:28:02am |
re: #103 soxfan4life
Well you know Matthews said it was his job to make sure this administration is a success. If he can pull that off I might consider voting for the bastard even though I can’t stand him.
I guess that depends on your definition of “success.”
The only way someone like Matthews can make Obama a “success” is by deliberately covering up his mistakes.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:28:22am |
re: #104 subsailor68
WTF? And from the article:
“In addition, the Ministry also called Hamas “to halt the stealing of medical aid sent to the Strip most of which (Hamas) has redirected to the organization’s warehouses and centers.”
So now we know (as if we didn’t already) what happens to the humanitarian aid sent to the area.
Yes, upon arriving, it immediately becomes SUB-HUMANitarian aid
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LGoPs Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:29:02am |
re: #93 lobo91
Any word on when the Post is going to look into the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of foreign contributions Obama illegally accepted during the campaign?
Nope, didn’t think so...
Hey lobo, I know you’re being sarcastic, just like I’d be. But I have to say that if the MFM really does investigate Steele and continues to ignore Obama’s financing……..well……I don’t know what to say because the only things that come to mind in response would get me banned from here.
It’s bad enough to live with a double standard, but if it got that blatant and in your face and so close in time to each other….well….like I said earlier………….
*steam starts coming out of ears*
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:29:37am |
re: #97 yma o hyd
Hiya, {HH}!
Its been dry and very cold here in South Wales - snow in england, more snow to come, and ice - we’re just glad that the sun dried everything today: no slithering about tomorrow!
Some intrepid daffodils have started to come above ground, and one clump in a sheltered spot even has the first flower buds!
And, would you believe, a camelia bush, in a planter next to a hosue in my street is already flowering!
Spring is definitely coming, the birds are starting to sing for their territories already!
I got a buddy that just spent last week at Sefton Park, outside of London..
They got a bunch of snow…Haha..
I love springtime!
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:29:55am |
re: #106 Desert Dog
Yes, upon arriving, it immediately becomes SUB-HUMANitarian aid
Heh, heh. Can’t be sub-humanitarian. None of it ever got to me.
;-)
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FrogMarch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:30:37am |
re: #102 Charles
He’s taking a page from the Olbermann playbook. Turning around to face a different way every minute or so.
don’t many newscaster do this?
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:32:02am |
re: #101 gmsc
California’s been doing something similar for decades now.
If your car is registered there, you can’t install any significant aftermarket parts unless they’ve been approved by the California Air Research Board (what’s known as a CARB number).
It doesn’t matter if the part would actually improve the car’s fuel efficiency or emissions. If it doesn’t have that magic number, you’l fail the emissions test.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:32:11am |
re: #102 Charles
He needs to copy Fred’s gimmick of starting the video like you just walked into his office and he gives the camera the “oh, hello” look as he takes off his glasses to begin the speech. It goes over really well with conservatives.
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Frank_Mtl Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:33:14am |
BERLIN – A bishop who faces a Vatican demand to recant his denial of the Holocaust said he would correct himself if he is satisfied by the evidence, but insisted that examining it “will take time,” a German magazine reported Saturday.
It will take him time to examine it, but it didn’t take him any time at all to negate it.
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:33:54am |
re: #107 LGoPs
Hey lobo, I know you’re being sarcastic, just like I’d be. But I have to say that if the MFM really does investigate Steele and continues to ignore Obama’s financing……..well……I don’t know what to say because the only things that come to mind in response would get me banned from here.
It’s bad enough to live with a double standard, but if it got that blatant and in your face and so close in time to each other….well….like I said earlier………….
*steam starts coming out of ears*
That’s exactly what theyre going to do. Might as well get ready for it.
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esch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:34:14am |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
He needs to copy Fred’s gimmick of starting the video like you just walked into his office and he gives the camera the “oh, hello” look as he takes off his glasses to begin the speech. It goes over really well with conservatives.
Courtesy and respect are out of style, ya know.
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BruxellesBlog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:34:23am |
They (the CIA) believe that a British-born Pakistani extremist entering the US under the visa waiver programme is the most likely source of another terrorist spectacular on American soil.
Still one of the most interesting articles on this problem An early LGF blog topic from way back too…
Terror on the dole
thisislondon.co.uk
“As far as I’m concerned, when they bomb London, the bigger the better,” says Abdul Haq, the social worker. “I know it’s going to happen because Sheikh bin Laden said so. Like Bali, like Turkey, like Madrid - I pray for it, I look forward to the day.”
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:35:29am |
re: #12 jwb7605
If I’m not a “genuine conservative”, I’m a bit confused.
The religious right, including creationist whack-jobs, are hell-bent on conflating their own ideology with conservatism in general. Interestingly, the real enemy (the media-industrial complex) is delighted to support them in this. The usual suspects here in Texas, for example, refer to the McLeroy creo-cult simply as “the conservatives” on the education commission. Further afield, every America-hating media dupe in Europe is acutely aware of the popularity of creationist nut-baggery here in the States, often overstating it in the process.
The RR love to refer to themselves as “real conservatives” and their opponents as RINOs (Republican in Name Only). Their historical memories are as sketchy as their scientific knowledge however, since the shotgun wedding of “social conservatives” (evangelical fundamentalists) and political conservatives only dates from about 1980 and a conscious decision by the Reagan campaign to turn the growing force of televangelism into a voting bloc. Barry Goldwater, who can fairly be called the inventor of modern conservatism in this country, despised the RR and never hesitated to say so.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:35:31am |
Three rich Wall Street Banksters and a Federal Reserve official are flying over NYC in a private jet bought with bailout money. The first banker says, “Why don’t we throw a thousand dollars out of the window and help somebody?”
The second banker says, “Why don’t we throw a million dollars out of the window and help even more people?”
The third banker says, “Why don’t we throw a trillion dollars out of the window and help everybody?”
The Federal Reserve official pauses, looks at the bankers and says, “Again?”
And finally, the (astute reader of LGF) co-pilot turns around and says, “Why don’t we throw you guys out of the window and just help ourselves?”
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SurferDoc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:37:42am |
Let me see…Michael Steele, bad…Tom Daschle, good…that about it?
/no media bias
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:37:50am |
re: #116 BruxellesBlog
Still one of the most interesting articles on this problem An early LGF blog topic from way back too…
Terror on the dole
[Link: www.thisislondon.co.uk…]“As far as I’m concerned, when they bomb London, the bigger the better,” says Abdul Haq, the social worker. “I know it’s going to happen because Sheikh bin Laden said so. Like Bali, like Turkey, like Madrid - I pray for it, I look forward to the day.”
Crap. A social worker, terrorists on the dole…what the hell. That’s like paying a guy to beat the crap out of you, and when he’s done saying, “Please sir, may I have another?”
It’s total insanity.
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Wishing Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:38:00am |
Wow my forecast says 50’s and 60’s all week! Northeast Tennessee, gotta love it!
C’mon spring!
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gregg Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:38:18am |
re: #97 yma o hyd
I read the following at the TimesOnline:
Salt supplies are en route from Spain and Germany amid shortages which have forced one council to switch to table salt to make its roads safe after running out of rock salt.
I picture highway workers walking down the streets with the salt shakers you see on dining room tables…
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kynna Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:38:34am |
If a Republican were doing the kinds of things that BHO is doing, he/she would be excoriated. And at the front of the pack would be other Republicans. Dems/MSM not only say nothing but encourage others to say nothing and threaten them if they don’t obey. This is why I’m closer to the Republican stance than the other. I can’t stand lock-step.
Charles is very fair in his science topics — taking shots at both ID and Global Warming propaganda. I don’t think ID is going to take hold. But GW has. The network for kids — Noggin — is basically doing extreme green all the time. It’s all over my daughter’s elementary school. And it’s as much dogma as Creationism.
I guess what I wish is that ‘Conservatives’ would take the energy they’re expending to get the dogma of Creationism-through-ID in our schools and use it to get the dogma of GW-through-bogus-climate-models out of our schools.
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arf Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:39:06am |
What’s the cost of the porkulus bill (or at least the costs bandied about), compared with the cost of the Iraq war, or Afghanistan for that matter.
Trying to get some perspective.
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Scion9 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:39:11am |
From Freeper SoCons…
“social conservatism”
what other conservatism is there? do you honestly think you can have America without morals? do you honestly think you can protect America from islamonazis & other enemies foreign & domestic while the culture disappears in a drug-and-porn induced haze?
conservatism is meaningless without core principles about the way a society should conduct itself.
the battle of corporatism against conservatives
While I will not frequently come into conflict with many social conservative agendas, on their individual merits, as a movement I have no doubt in my mind that it is merely a euphemism for Christian Socialism.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:39:16am |
re: #115 esch
The fred collection (just watch the 1st few seconds)….
Fred Thompson on the Economy
Youtube Video
Fred Thompson on the election
Youtube Video
Fred Thompson responds to Michael Moore
Youtube Video
Fred Thompson’s Latest Ad: No Amnesty
Youtube Video
He really overused it.
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Wishing Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:39:17am |
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:39:18am |
re: #108 HoosierHoops
I got a buddy that just spent last week at Sefton Park, outside of London..
They got a bunch of snow…Haha..
I love springtime!
England has been pretty badly hit by the snow - and so has Scotland. Some more to come tomorrow - I just hope it doesn’t interrupt the game up in Edinborough.
Spring is lovely, I look forward to note all the first flowers, on trees, on the ground, and to watch the songbirds get on with courtship and nest building.
Can’t beat it!
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jorline Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:39:29am |
Good afternoon my little green friends. What are we talking about now?
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jaunte Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:41:10am |
re: #136 Sharmuta
Well, good for you. May your word increase.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:41:45am |
A rare moment of brilliance in the Los Angeles legal system:
Class action lawyers to be paid in gift cards
The client class members were to receive only gift cards, not cash, in the settlement with Windsor Fashions, a clothing retailer, so Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Brett Klein thought it only fair to provide that Yorba Linda attorney Neil B. Fineman be paid his fee with “12,500 ten-dollar Windsor Fashions gift cards.”
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soxfan4life Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:42:45am |
re: #123 Wishing
Wow my forecast says 50’s and 60’s all week! Northeast Tennessee, gotta love it!C’mon spring!
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jwb7605 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:43:40am |
re: #117 shiplord kirel
The religious right, including creationist whack-jobs, are hell-bent on conflating their own ideology with conservatism in general. Interestingly, the real enemy (the media-industrial complex) is delighted to support them in this. The usual suspects here in Texas, for example, refer to the McLeroy creo-cult simply as “the conservatives” on the education commission. Further afield, every America-hating media dupe in Europe is acutely aware of the popularity of creationist nut-baggery here in the States, often overstating it in the process.
The RR love to refer to themselves as “real conservatives” and their opponents as RINOs (Republican in Name Only). Their historical memories are as sketchy as their scientific knowledge however, since the shotgun wedding of “social conservatives” (evangelical fundamentalists) and political conservatives only dates from about 1980 and a conscious decision by the Reagan campaign to turn the growing force of televangelism into a voting bloc. Barry Goldwater, who can fairly be called the inventor of modern conservatism in this country, despised the RR and never hesitated to say so.
I thought it was sufficient to simply abhor abortion to be considered “socially conservative”. No way will I buy into the whole ball of wax.
And on abortion, I think life begins at conception.
I don’t think we should throw people in jail for killing their own unborn.
I also don’t think I should be expected to show the decision any respect.
I’ve stated those positions to “pro-choice” and “pro-life” people, and gotten looks of disgust from both groups, as well.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:43:48am |
re: #121 jaunte
re: #119 Sharmuta
“In your heart, you know he’s right.”
*blushing* Many thanks, all.
I have been involved in the Texas creationist wars for 25 years. McLeroy and his gang notwithstanding, we are actually winning this battle. Texas has its share of religious conservatives, to be sure, but it also has a huge number of geo-scientists and some of the best geo-science schools in the world. A great many lay-people, especially those in petroleum and agri-business, are acutely aware of the connection between hard science and economic prosperity in this environment. This connection may be more clear-cut in Texas than anywhere else in the world.
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:44:54am |
re: #124 gregg
I read the following at the TimesOnline:
I picture highway workers walking down the streets with the salt shakers you see on dining room tables…
Yep - there were some cartoons about that as well.
Its the sad fact that the various local councils in England have not stocked up on rock salt, because they thought they would get away with it again. People in wales are very cross because their deliveries have been postponed so that Englishmen can get to work - and our roads, because being mountainous, are a tad more hazardous …
Its racism, innit, like!
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:45:03am |
re: #138 gmsc
A rare moment of brilliance in the Los Angeles legal system:
Too bad the law suite was not against a high colonic clinic
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smokefire Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:46:24am |
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:47:15am |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
The fred collection (just watch the 1st few seconds)….
Fred Thompson on the Economy[Video]
He really overused it.
“Ladies and gentlemen,” said a voice that came from the radio receiver–a man’s clear, calm, implacable voice, the kind of voice that had not been heard on the airwaves for years–”Mr. Thompson will not speak to you tonight. His time is up. I have taken it over. You were to hear a report on the world crisis. That is what you are going to hear.”
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:47:27am |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
He needs to copy Fred’s gimmick of starting the video like you just walked into his office and he gives the camera the “oh, hello” look as he takes off his glasses to begin the speech. It goes over really well with conservatives.
LOLOLOLOLOL… (ok, it’s an actor sort of thing, I get it.)
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:48:33am |
re: #145 smokefire
BREAKING NEWS
300 people trapped on ice flow in Lake Erie.
Al Gore has struck.
[Link: www.fox8.com…]
And PETA!
How dare they go after these poor sea kittehs!
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:49:39am |
re: #148 yma o hyd
And PETA!
How dare they go after these poor sea kittehs!
Or are these lake kittehs?
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:49:46am |
re: #120 SurferDoc
Let me see…Michael Steele, bad…Tom Daschle, good…that about it?
/no media bias
The fact that there hasn’t been a criminal investigation into Tom Daschle’s post-Senate business dealings pretty much proves the bias in the system.
He gets paid several million dollars a year by a major DC law firm.
He’s not even a lawyer.
They pay him for his ability to gain access to members of Congress. In other words, he’s a lobbyist.
One problem, though. He’s not registered as a lobbyist.
Why hasn’t he been prosecuted?
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jaunte Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:50:27am |
re: #138 gmsc
Nice.
The store ran afoul of a law that isn’t operative here:
The suit was on behalf of people who:
“purchased merchandise from Defendant’s stores in the State of California, used a credit card to make the purchase(s), and whose address, email address or telephone number was requested and recorded by a Windsor Fashions employee.”
Collecting “personal identification information” from credit card customers is proscribed by Civil Code §1747.08(a)(2).
Not much of a crime. The judge did well.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:50:37am |
re: #3 Charles
I was feeling some extreme love coming my way this morning, so I checked the referrers page, and sure enough - it’s coming from Free Republic:
Wow. I don’t visit many blogs/forums other than the occasional link from here, but this one sure sounds like it’s entirely made up of ex lizards. In fact it reminds me of quite a few around when I was being flamed routinely, before dings were invented.
I particularly liked this post:
Texas is one of the few states that gets it right, LGF is a joke………study the second law of thermodynamics and Barry Setterfields speed of light slowing down and numerous uncovered lies of evolution in biological fields and creation is more science than what we are lied classrooms as children………..
There are more of the same. Keep up the good work Charles, it appears to be making a difference.
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Yankee Division Son Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:52:39am |
SAN FRANCISCO - For the second time in less than 18 months, the job-search Web site Monster.com was breached, along with USAJobs.gov, which Monster’s parent company runs for the federal government. And yet Monster might suffer little fallout — because the overall state of computer security is so bad anyway.
Oh, it’s not so bad, everyone else’s security sucks too. That will fix the problem. (The PR problem. Who cares about the security problem, just ignore it as always, it will go away.)
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:52:59am |
re: #147 Walter L. Newton
I put together a compilation at #130. It’s pretty funny to watch them back to back.
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:53:17am |
re: #132 yma o hyd
England has been pretty badly hit by the snow - and so has Scotland. Some more to come tomorrow - I just hope it doesn’t interrupt the game up in Edinborough.
Spring is lovely, I look forward to note all the first flowers, on trees, on the ground, and to watch the songbirds get on with courtship and nest building.
Can’t beat it!
While I was in Yorkshire 1999-2000, the lady next to us had a small garden in her front yard. One of the plants in the yard where wee little flowers I believe she called prim roses. During my visit Yorkshire never got any snow. But we did get heavy frost every night, those wee prim roses would be covered with frost, when we left in the morning. On our return in the afternoon, those wee prim roses would be standing tall, and soaking up the sun. Tough little guys.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:54:43am |
re: #158 Dustyvet
While I was in Yorkshire 1999-2000, the lady next to us had a small garden in her front yard. One of the plants in the yard where wee little flowers I believe she called prim roses. During my visit Yorkshire never got any snow. But we did get heavy frost every night, those wee prim roses would be covered with frost, when we left in the morning. On our return in the afternoon, those wee prim roses would be standing tall, and soaking up the sun. Tough little guys.
Roses, in general, are tough cookies…I have several in my backyard here in the desert. They can take a freeze and the sun-baking they get every year from our friend the Sun too…..
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itellu3times Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:55:48am |
re: #13 Walter L. Newton
I never heard of them, but looking at their introduction…
Never heard of Freepers? It was one of the very first conservative blogs and served well in the Clinton impeachment follies, IIRC, and as late as the swift boat issues with Kerry. But perhaps it always and now suffers because it lacks the focus, let’s call it, that Charles’ editorial efforts bring to LGF. Not to mention the zippy Ajax interface.
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Colonel Panik Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:55:55am |
Well, I’m going to go out on a limb here and speak up in favor of Free Republic. Yes, there are some idiots on there but there are idiots on every blog. Some of you people who don’t know who they are obviously don’t get out much…they’ve been on line since the Clinton years supporting conservative activism, they are not a johnny-come-lately blog of disgruntled “ex-lizards” as Naso Tang said above.
Free Republic is a home to conservatives of all stripes, from neo-con to paleo-con, evolutionist and creationist. It’s not an echo chamber. There are often some very heated arguments over there. It is not as “moderated” as LGF and yes, there are some hotheads there, but I still find it a useful site, particularly when an important vote is going down in Congress as they have a contingent who closely monitor legislative and judicial events and post timely updates.
Another thing I will say in defense of the Freepers is that they are not shy about taking it to the streets to oppose the left and stand up for our troops. Just check out some the threads on “Code Pink” there and you will see what I’m talking about. Would that more conservatives would do this.
As for their “1995” web design, there is a reason they have stayed with their text based, simple design. It doesn’t take forever to load if you are on dialup, and works well on a handheld device such as a BlackBerry or Palm. Web 2.0 bells and whistles are pretty but they have their downside as well for those who are not connected to broadband.
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bloodnok Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:56:00am |
re: #125 Sharmuta
Jaunte! I’ve been accepted!
I don’t need to know “to what” to know that “they” made the right choice. Congratulations!
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:57:54am |
re: #160 Desert Dog
Roses, in general, are tough cookies…I have several in my backyard here in the desert. They can take a freeze and the sun-baking they get every year from our friend the Sun too…..
What amazed me was these wee roses where smaller then my little finger. Yet they would come back from the frost.
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pat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:58:15am |
Had an old thorny rose that took me 10 years to kill. Bastard would just come back. Herbicide, butchery, acid, voodoo dolls, fire, santaria, it didn’t give a damn.
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:58:17am |
Here’s a cautionary tale. It’s complicated, but there are warnings here:
Iceland: downfall of ‘a foolish little nation’
From the article:
In October, the banking system imploded under the weight of an enormous mountain of debt. The three big banks had boasted assets many times the size of the country’s GDP, but their liabilities were of a similar order. When the government nationalised the banks, it was left with liabilities in excess of $60 billion (£40 billion), more than three times GDP. The krona nose-dived and borrowers like the taxi driver woke up one cloudy morning to discover that, in krona terms, their loans had doubled in size.
In other words, the government nationalized the banks, effectively buying up “toxic” assets.
Is anyone in Washington listening? Anyone?
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Sharmuta Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:58:29am |
re: #163 bloodnok
Thanks. I hesitate to say much about it, but there is something I’ve been working on, and I have now gained representation for it.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:58:41am |
re: #160 Desert Dog
Roses, in general, are tough cookies…I have several in my backyard here in the desert. They can take a freeze and the sun-baking they get every year from our friend the Sun too…..
They are actually related to cactus.
We were putting a garden inside the fenced portion of our yard, and had no use for the roses growing in a prime spot. We didn’t want to kill them because we’re just renting, so we moved them outside the fence. I transplanted them on a hot June day (you’re supposed to do it on a cool fall day) and four years later, they’re still growing.
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:59:11am |
re: #158 Dustyvet
While I was in Yorkshire 1999-2000, the lady next to us had a small garden in her front yard. One of the plants in the yard where wee little flowers I believe she called prim roses. During my visit Yorkshire never got any snow. But we did get heavy frost every night, those wee prim roses would be covered with frost, when we left in the morning. On our return in the afternoon, those wee prim roses would be standing tall, and soaking up the sun. Tough little guys.
Primroses are beautiful - and tough. Early spring flowers, wonderful if one can grow them.
In my little back garden they are, alas, slug-and snail-food. I’ve given up on planting them, its heart-breaking to see them decimated.
Pity I can’t keep a hedgehog or two - Madame Dog objects to them …
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:59:42am |
And my daughter was offered a job she wanted after one interview. That’s good for many reasons, not least that she can start paying back the money we loaned her to get her Masters degree, at 23.
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FrogMarch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:00:18pm |
It’s Official…Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic
rinos (sure they may be rinos because they are not part of the religious right, but) This stimulus is not about religion. It’s about fleecing the American Tax payer to grow government, and doing so in the name of fear. These Rinos are part of the economic left. Really crazy bad-faith economics.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:00:52pm |
re: #166 subsailor68
Here’s a cautionary tale. It’s complicated, but there are warnings here:
Iceland: downfall of ‘a foolish little nation’
From the article:
In October, the banking system imploded under the weight of an enormous mountain of debt. The three big banks had boasted assets many times the size of the country’s GDP, but their liabilities were of a similar order. When the government nationalised the banks, it was left with liabilities in excess of $60 billion (£40 billion), more than three times GDP. The krona nose-dived and borrowers like the taxi driver woke up one cloudy morning to discover that, in krona terms, their loans had doubled in size.
In other words, the government nationalized the banks, effectively buying up “toxic” assets.
Is anyone in Washington listening? Anyone?
Good link! The first time I heard about Iceland’s troubles was in the Guardian story The party’s over for Iceland, the island that tried to buy the world.
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bloodnok Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:00:57pm |
re: #167 Sharmuta
Thanks. I hesitate to say much about it, but there is something I’ve been working on, and I have now gained representation for it.
Completely understandable!
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:01:15pm |
re: #160 Desert Dog
Roses, in general, are tough cookies…I have several in my backyard here in the desert. They can take a freeze and the sun-baking they get every year from our friend the Sun too…..
Yep - they are quite tough. The only thing which they don’t like is continuous damp and wet weather because that makes all the horrid things like blackspot and such grow on them.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:01:28pm |
re: #167 Sharmuta
Thanks. I hesitate to say much about it, but there is something I’ve been working on, and I have now gained representation for it.
Oh, this is part of the “good news” you’ve been working on!
Congrats!
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:01:34pm |
re: #173 FrogMarch
It’s Official…Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic
rinos (sure they may be rinos because they are not part of the religious right, but) This stimulus is not about religion. It’s about fleecing the American Tax payer to grow government, and doing so in the name of fear. These Rinos are part of the economic left. Really crazy bad-faith economics.
Mr. Obama called Ms. Collins and Mr. Specter, as well as Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, another Republican expected to support the deal, to acknowledge they were acting against pressure from their party and, one official said, to thank them for their patriotism in helping advance the bill at a critical time.
These three idiots have just hit bottom and started digging…
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:01:50pm |
re: #173 FrogMarch
It’s Official…Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic
rinos (sure they may be rinos because they are not part of the religious right, but) This stimulus is not about religion. It’s about fleecing the American Tax payer to grow government, and doing so in the name of fear. These Rinos are part of the economic left. Really crazy bad-faith economics.
Well, it depends on who is doing the dissenting, doesn’t it? Same for cabinet positions….it’s all relative to your political beliefs.
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:03:00pm |
re: #174 gmsc
Good link! The first time I heard about Iceland’s troubles was in the Guardian story The party’s over for Iceland, the island that tried to buy the world.
Thanks. And thanks for your link as well! I think Iceland is the canary in the coal mine perhaps. Maybe we can learn from it in time.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:03:07pm |
re: #173 FrogMarch
It’s Official…Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic
rinos (sure they may be rinos because they are not part of the religious right, but) This stimulus is not about religion. It’s about fleecing the American Tax payer to grow government, and doing so in the name of fear. These Rinos are part of the economic left. Really crazy bad-faith economics.
“He’s not MY President, and never will be.”
- Julia Roberts
“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”
- Howard Zinn
“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic.”
- Hillary Clinton
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Sharmuta Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:03:31pm |
re: #177 gmsc
Thanks. This is the “good news” I’ve been working on, and there is only one other bar to overcome. That bar will take some time yet, but this is the best news I’ve had so far. I’m optimistic the last bar will be cleared now.
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:03:32pm |
re: #152 Jetpilot1101
Because he is a democrat.
Hmm…nope, I don’t see that listed as an exception to the law.
As far as I can tell, he’s guilty of failing to register as a lobbyist, and should be punished:
SEC. 7. PENALTIES.
Whoever knowingly fails to—
(1) remedy a defective filing within 60 days after notice
of such a defect by the Secretary of the Senate or the Clerk
of the House of Representatives; or
(2) comply with any other provision of this Act;
shall, upon proof of such knowing violation by a preponderance
of the evidence, be subject to a civil fine of not more than $50,000,
depending on the extent and gravity of the violation.
A $50,000 fine isn’t much to him, but that would probably be per instance. He should register with both the House and Senate, and he’s required to file a semi-annual report with the clerks of each house detailing his contacts with members. At $50 grand a pop per violation, that could add up to some actual money.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:03:33pm |
re: #176 yma o hyd
Yep - they are quite tough. The only thing which they don’t like is continuous damp and wet weather because that makes all the horrid things like blackspot and such grow on them.
We get less than 7” of rain per year where I am (and that usually comes in a handful of big storms), so I do not have the same problem you have over there in “the land where the sun does not shine” :-)
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kynna Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:03:36pm |
re: #162 Colonel Panik
Wasn’t it a freeper who was the first to point out the impossible font in the TANG memo? IIRC one of the ways they tried to discredit the fraud accusation was to point out the time stamp (which overlapped with the airing of the show in one time zone) as evidence that the whole thing was a Bush Administration setup. It was moronic.
Anyway, they might be better off with more moderators. But maybe narrowing the focus would cut out something worthwhile. Still, their nutjobs are used to discredit the whole, and that’s always the danger.
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:03:43pm |
re: #179 Desert Dog
Well, it depends on who is doing the dissenting, doesn’t it? Same for cabinet positions….it’s all relative to your political beliefs.
I’m starting to take a liking to the Great Pumpkin, Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy, and the bloody frigging Easter Bunny.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:03:47pm |
re: #167 Sharmuta
Well, this is fun. I want to congratulate you on… hmmm… everyone is doing it but I can’t figure out what ups.
So, congrats anyway. I’m always the last to know.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:05:49pm |
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SY Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:06:15pm |
How disappointing. Sagan stole that line from Marx.
Except Grouch used the name “Joe M. Varilla” instead of “Bozo.”
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:06:22pm |
re: #186 Dustyvet
I’m starting to take a liking to the Great Pumpkin, Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy, and the bloody frigging Easter Bunny.
Here is what my George Mason University colleague Professor Richard Wagner wrote, which was published by Office of the House Republican Leader: “Any so-called stimulus program is a ruse.
“The government can increase its spending only by reducing private spending equivalently. Whether government finances its added spending by increasing taxes, by borrowing, or by inflating the currency, the added spending will be offset by reduced private spending.
“Furthermore, private spending is generally more efficient than the government spending that would replace it because people act more carefully when they spend their own money than when they spend other people’s money.”
A short translation of Wagner’s comment is: There is no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. Let’s examine the ruse.
Suppose the value of all that we will produce in 2009, our gross domestic product (GDP), totals $14 trillion. There cannot be any disagreement that if Congress spends $4 trillion, of necessity there is only $10 trillion left over for us to spend privately.
In other words, if Congress is going to spend $4 trillion, it must find a way to get us to spend $4 trillion less. The most open and aboveboard method to force us to spend less privately is to tax us to the tune of $4 trillion.
You might say, “Congress doesn’t have to tax us $4 trillion. They could tax us $3 trillion and run a $1 trillion budget deficit.” You have that wrong. There is no way for Congress to spend $4 trillion out of our 2009 $14 trillion GDP by getting us to spend only $3 trillion less privately. It has to be $4 trillion less.
Another method to force us to spend less privately is to print money and inflate the currency. Rising prices reduce our ability to spend privately since each dollar we hold will not buy as much.
Another way is for Congress to borrow, thereby reducing our ability to spend privately. By the way, all of this means that in any real economic sense the federal budget is always balanced. That is, if Congress spends $4 trillion we must privately spend $4 trillion less whether it is accomplished through taxation, inflation or borrowing.
The stimulus package being discussed is politically smart but economically stupid. It’s that bedeviling, omnipresent Santa Claus and Tooth Fairy problem again. Let’s say that Congress taxes you $500 to put toward creating construction jobs building our infrastructure. The beneficiaries will be quite visible, namely men employed building a road. The victims of Congress are invisible and are only revealed by asking what you would have done with the $500 if it were not taxed away from you.
Whatever you would have spent it on would have contributed to someone’s employment. That person is invisible. Politicians love it when the victims of their policies are invisible and the beneficiaries visible. Why? Because the beneficiaries know for whom to vote and the victims do not know who is to blame for their plight.
In stimulus package language, if Congress taxes to hand out money, one person is stimulated at the expense of another, who pays the tax, who is unstimulated.
A visual representation of the stimulus package is: Imagine you see a person at work taking buckets of water from the deep end of a swimming pool and dumping them into the shallow end in an attempt to make it deeper. You would deem him stupid. That scenario is equivalent to what Congress and the new president proposes for the economy.
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:06:26pm |
re: #166 subsailor68
Here’s a cautionary tale. It’s complicated, but there are warnings here:
Iceland: downfall of ‘a foolish little nation’
From the article:
In October, the banking system imploded under the weight of an enormous mountain of debt. The three big banks had boasted assets many times the size of the country’s GDP, but their liabilities were of a similar order. When the government nationalised the banks, it was left with liabilities in excess of $60 billion (£40 billion), more than three times GDP. The krona nose-dived and borrowers like the taxi driver woke up one cloudy morning to discover that, in krona terms, their loans had doubled in size.
In other words, the government nationalized the banks, effectively buying up “toxic” assets.
Is anyone in Washington listening? Anyone?
If they aren’t they ought to.
I heard this on a TV newsfeed, so no linkie - but the Icelanders literally drummed their government out of office. They went into the streets, drummed and made fires and shouted - and the government resigned.
Now there’s a new lot in - we’ll see how they’e doing.
Anyway - it was ordinary people telling the ‘elite’ to get out, and they did.
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FrogMarch Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:07:14pm |
re: #179 Desert Dog
Well, it depends on who is doing the dissenting, doesn’t it? Same for cabinet positions….it’s all relative to your political beliefs.
Mitch McConnell says:
“We have another example.
“What is called in Japan the Lost Decade of the 1990’s, where stimulus packages similar to the one we’re considering tonight were tried again, and again, and again. And, at the end of the 1990’s, Japan, looked very much like it did at the beginning of the 1990’s, except that it had a much larger debt.
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Colonel Panik Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:08:07pm |
re: #185 kynna
Wasn’t it a freeper who was the first to point out the impossible font in the TANG memo?
Yes, a lawyer from Atlanta who posts there under the name of “Buckhead” (an Atlanta neighborhood).
IIRC he may have posted here around that time.
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Cato Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:08:45pm |
re: #36 gunslingah
Regarding the Geithner appointment, I heard a great idea the other day. As an act of protest, when the new currency comes out with Geithner’s name on it, people should stamp in ink “tax cheat” next to the signature line.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:09:17pm |
re: #167 Sharmuta
Whatever it is, congratulations!
I can tell it’s good by how thrilled you are about it.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:09:17pm |
re: #193 FrogMarch
Mitch McConnell says:
“We have another example.
“What is called in Japan the Lost Decade of the 1990’s, where stimulus packages similar to the one we’re considering tonight were tried again, and again, and again. And, at the end of the 1990’s, Japan, looked very much like it did at the beginning of the 1990’s, except that it had a much larger debt.
My favorite example:
“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work … After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started … And an enormous debt to boot!”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, commenting on the failures of the New Deal after two terms of FDR
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:09:24pm |
re: #182 Sharmuta
Thanks. This is the “good news” I’ve been working on, and there is only one other bar to overcome. That bar will take some time yet, but this is the best news I’ve had so far. I’m optimistic the last bar will be cleared now.
Yep - you’ve got the momentum now - keep going!
Dunno what its about - but striving for something and accomplishing it is always deeply satisfactory.
You’ll do it, I have not the slightest doubt!
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jaunte Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:10:10pm |
Here’s a story.
My Armydaughter, stationed at Ft. Lewis WA, is at a funeral today up in the Northeast.
Now that active combat operations have calmed down in Iraq, we tend not to think much about what goes on there, but it’s still a dangerous place to work. The husband of a friend, a fellow soldier, was killed last week in Iraq, in an industrial accident. He leaves behind a small family, his wife, a six year old son and a two year old daughter.
A few days ago the two year old got up from watching the television, began pointing at the front door and saying ‘Daddy!’
Her mother opened the door, and the girl toddled out to the tree in the front yard, pointing up into the branches and repeating “Daddy” with a smile.
Her mother joined her, asking if she really saw Daddy up there. She nodded yes emphatically, so her mother turned to the tree, looked up into the branches and expressed her love for her lost husband.
It’s a strange world.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:10:18pm |
I’m off to the theatre. I’ll be glad when this show is over (next weekend) and when we open our next show (3 weekends from now) because attendance wise, this is the worst I’ve seen in 6 years at this location.
Jan/Feb is the slowest months for us, but it’s hard to tell right now if it is the standard downturn at this time of the year, or the bullshit economy and politics that are adding to the diminished attendance.
Reviews have been very good for this show, and the 4 member cast is comprised of some of the best actors in the Denver metro area.
So, it’s not the quality of the show. It may be the tone of the show, since it’s heavy drama. We always do one of our heavier pieces in this time slot.
So, we’ll see what happens for the next run.
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:10:57pm |
re: #192 yma o hyd
If they aren’t they ought to.
I heard this on a TV newsfeed, so no linkie - but the Icelanders literally drummed their government out of office. They went into the streets, drummed and made fires and shouted - and the government resigned.
Now there’s a new lot in - we’ll see how they’e doing.
Anyway - it was ordinary people telling the ‘elite’ to get out, and they did.
Yep, but it will be interesting to see what happens. From that article:
Icelanders are not given to public demonstrations, but last month a mob pelted eggs at the car of the prime minister, Geir Haarde. Out came the tear gas and out went Haarde’s Right-leaning coalition government. The Left-wing coalition now serving as a caretaker government, until elections in April, is headed by 66-year-old Johanna Sigurdardottir.
Respected rather than loved, she is a traditional Left-winger.
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:11:38pm |
re: #197 gmsc
My favorite example:
“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work … After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started … And an enormous debt to boot!”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, commenting on the failures of the New Deal after two terms of FDR
And yet, FDR was re-elected 2 more times.
Proving that Americans were just as stupid 70 years ago as they are today.
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bellamags Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:11:53pm |
re: #199 jaunte
Here’s a story.
My Armydaughter, stationed at Ft. Lewis WA, is at a funeral today up in the Northeast.
Now that active combat operations have calmed down in Iraq, we tend not to think much about what goes on there, but it’s still a dangerous place to work. The husband of a friend, a fellow soldier, was killed last week in Iraq, in an industrial accident. He leaves behind a small family, his wife, a six year old son and a two year old daughter.
A few days ago the two year old got up from watching the television, began pointing at the front door and saying ‘Daddy!’
Her mother opened the door, and the girl toddled out to the tree in the front yard, pointing up into the branches and repeating “Daddy” with a smile.
Her mother joined her, asking if she really saw Daddy up there. She nodded yes emphatically, so her mother turned to the tree, looked up into the branches and expressed her love for her lost husband.It’s a strange world.
touching.
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:12:14pm |
re: #184 Desert Dog
We get less than 7” of rain per year where I am (and that usually comes in a handful of big storms), so I do not have the same problem you have over there in “the land where the sun does not shine” :-)
I bet you have other problems!
In gardening, its always best to work within the limits set by the prevailing weather conditions, and the soil available.
So - I can’t grow palm trees or cacti, so what! Grow other things - no problem!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:13:27pm |
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:14:39pm |
re: #111 lobo91
California’s been doing something similar for decades now.
If your car is registered there, you can’t install any significant aftermarket parts unless they’ve been approved by the California Air Research Board (what’s known as a CARB number).
It doesn’t matter if the part would actually improve the car’s fuel efficiency or emissions. If it doesn’t have that magic number, you’l fail the emissions test.
Funny, California isn’t where I’d be looking for examples of effective policy right now.
Oh, my mistake. They’re looking for examples of environmental policy, not effective policy.
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:14:45pm |
re: #197 gmsc
My favorite example:
“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work … After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started … And an enormous debt to boot!”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, commenting on the failures of the New Deal after two terms of FDR
Amazing how this insight seems to have been lost on the Dem Party …
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Cato Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:15:40pm |
re: #166 subsailor68
I support TARP but not the stimulus. The reason I support TARP is because I think the government will make a profit on it. A similarly situated private investor borrowing at under 1% and getting 5% returns plus equity from some of the biggest institutions in America is a good deal.
On the other hand, no investor would throw out the money that is being trown out in the stimulus package. It is disgraceful.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:16:18pm |
re: #206 yma o hyd
I bet you have other problems!
In gardening, its always best to work within the limits set by the prevailing weather conditions, and the soil available.
So - I can’t grow palm trees or cacti, so what! Grow other things - no problem!
Short of cacti, palm trees, Ocotillo and Palo Verde, growing ANYTHING here is a challenge. I gave up on the little patch of grass I had in the backyard, it was just too costly and time consuming to keep it green. We have gone the xeriscaping route lately, planting only native and other desert type scrubs and plants. It’s not green like there, believe me….brown is the main color in this part of Arizona.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:17:04pm |
New idea for stimulus bill protest chant:
“Print, baby, print!” (Referring to the printing presses, and parodying the way dems would chant “Drill, baby, drill!”)
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vxbush Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:17:53pm |
Okay, I’ve been good and gotten stuff done today. Now I want to just sit back and hang out here.
Oh. We’re talking gardening? Before I say anything about gardening and before anyone even thinks of listening to me, you should realize I have a black thumb.
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debutaunt Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:17:53pm |
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victor_yugo Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:18:01pm |
“It is true that great thinkers and innovators and Bringers of Light tend to piss people off. But that doesn’t mean that, just because you piss people off, you are a great thinker and innovator and Bringer of Light. You might just be a huge throbbing bleeding asshole.”
— Mary Withers
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:18:51pm |
re: #203 subsailor68
Yep, but it will be interesting to see what happens. From that article:
Icelanders are not given to public demonstrations, but last month a mob pelted eggs at the car of the prime minister, Geir Haarde. Out came the tear gas and out went Haarde’s Right-leaning coalition government. The Left-wing coalition now serving as a caretaker government, until elections in April, is headed by 66-year-old Johanna Sigurdardottir.
Respected rather than loved, she is a traditional Left-winger.
Unfortunately my experience with the females of the species ‘NuLab’out have totally cancelled all assumptions that female left-wingers might be a bit less obnoxious than their male counterparts …
Interesting times ahead for Icelanders!
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:19:10pm |
re: #210 Cato
I support TARP but not the stimulus. The reason I support TARP is because I think the government will make a profit on it. A similarly situated private investor borrowing at under 1% and getting 5% returns plus equity from some of the biggest institutions in America is a good deal.
On the other hand, no investor would throw out the money that is being trown out in the stimulus package. It is disgraceful.
I do see your point. And if your scenario plays out, it would be fine. I’m just a little uncomfortable in the direction we seem to be headed - with government “overseers” dictating policy to financial institutions covered. (And yeah, I think we’d agree that some of those financial guys should be shown the door as well.)
Just seems that, historically, government folks aren’t very effective at running - or tying to - an economy.
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Scion9 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:19:29pm |
re: #210 Cato
I think the government will make a profit on it.
None of that profit will go to good use. It will be squandered, and we the people will be paying for it for generations.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:19:34pm |
re: #213 vxbush
Okay, I’ve been good and gotten stuff done today. Now I want to just sit back and hang out here.
Oh. We’re talking gardening? Before I say anything about gardening and before anyone even thinks of listening to me, you should realize I have a black thumb.
Good afternoon VX..you deserve a break..
In a month or more..Depends on mr. groundhog..It is springtime!
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:20:26pm |
re: #208 gmsc
Funny, California isn’t where I’d be looking for examples of effective policy right now.
Oh, my mistake. They’re looking for examples of environmental policy, not effective policy.
Exactly.
In my case, I bought my ‘07 Mustang while I was on an extended TDY trip (about 6 months) out in CA. As soon as I got it, I started making modifications to increase performance. The same modifications also increased the fuel efficiency considerably. When I bought it, the sticker said it would get 21 mpg on the highway (which is usually optimistic). After a few changes, I now get 27 (at a steady 75-80 mph, with the A/C on).
Most of what I did was illegal under California law, so I had to assure the mechanics that I was taking the car back home to Colorado before the registration had to be renewed, since it would never pass inspection out there.
What a moronic state…
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:20:52pm |
re: #209 yma o hyd
Amazing how this insight seems to have been lost on the Dem Party …
What The One is doing is different from what FDR was trying to do with the New Deal.
This is about rewarding the Constituency. As a community organizer, he knows he’s got to take care of business.
He’s pushing hard to get it done immediately because, at the moment, he can cover it with the Holy Cloak of “Stimulus”. I suspect he knows the opportunity might not last.
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soxfan4life Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:21:05pm |
re: #210 Cato
I support TARP but not the stimulus. The reason I support TARP is because I think the government will make a profit on it. A similarly situated private investor borrowing at under 1% and getting 5% returns plus equity from some of the biggest institutions in America is a good deal.
On the other hand, no investor would throw out the money that is being trown out in the stimulus package. It is disgraceful.
I worry about what they will do with the money received in profits. I certainly don’t believe we will receive any return like a tax cut or paying down our national debt. As much as this “stimulus package” will be a freebie to most of the Obama base, the return on the TARP money will allow alot of these programs to continue for a very long time, thus securing their voting base forever.
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:21:21pm |
re: #216 yma o hyd
Unfortunately my experience with the females of the species ‘NuLab’out have totally cancelled all assumptions that female left-wingers might be a bit less obnoxious than their male counterparts …
Interesting times ahead for Icelanders!
LOL! I’ll take ya at your word on the relative obnoxious quotient vis a vis male and female libs.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:21:42pm |
Moonbats stealing Israeli product from grocery stores….
Arrests over Israel boycott in Tesco’s
Youtube Video
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:21:53pm |
re: #213 vxbush
Okay, I’ve been good and gotten stuff done today. Now I want to just sit back and hang out here.
Oh. We’re talking gardening? Before I say anything about gardening and before anyone even thinks of listening to me, you should realize I have a black thumb.
I am the same…..touching a plant is an instance death sentence for them. So, I am the chief hole digger and general lackey while Mrs. Desert Dog supervises the gardening. Anyone that can grow herbs year round in this place is a gifted gardner…..not me
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:22:26pm |
re: #211 Desert Dog
Short of cacti, palm trees, Ocotillo and Palo Verde, growing ANYTHING here is a challenge. I gave up on the little patch of grass I had in the backyard, it was just too costly and time consuming to keep it green. We have gone the xeriscaping route lately, planting only native and other desert type scrubs and plants. It’s not green like there, believe me….brown is the main color in this part of Arizona.
Still, the flowers must be fantastic, in spring time.
And while it may be green here, its also often brown, as in ‘mud’ - especially when there were two dogs tearing up the (very small) green patch called ‘lawn’, in their quest to chase cats and squirrels away …
I think I’m going for weed and moss, this year, sigh …
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:23:09pm |
re: #213 vxbush
Okay, I’ve been good and gotten stuff done today. Now I want to just sit back and hang out here.
Oh. We’re talking gardening? Before I say anything about gardening and before anyone even thinks of listening to me, you should realize I have a black thumb.
What happended? Did you hit it with a hammer?
:-)
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:24:07pm |
re: #221 pre-Boomer Marine brat
What The One is doing is different from what FDR was trying to do with the New Deal.
This is about rewarding the Constituency. As a community organizer, he knows he’s got to take care of business.
He’s pushing hard to get it done immediately because, at the moment, he can cover it with the Holy Cloak of “Stimulus”. I suspect he knows the opportunity might not last.
Another thing we have to worry about is the coming census. Obama has already said he is going to supervise it “personally”. Why all the interest in counting? So he and his minions can gerrymander themselves into a permanent majority. This is going to be a growing storm….the Dems will try to stack the deck FOREVER.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:25:47pm |
Great comment on our “Unregulated Free Markets”
Mark K wrote:
These jokers on Wall Street, who according to Russ made ‘innovative’ products like credit default swaps, showed us unregulated free market capitalism in all its glory.
The notion that we have an “unregulated free market” is false.
If we had an unregulated free market, the organizations and individuals that made stupid investment decisions — those “jokers on Wall Street” — would now be bankrupt, to be replaced by more competent organizations and managers. Instead, under the current system, they are “bailed out” — at your expense — and allowed to continue operating.
If we had an unregulated free market, the investment rating agencies that rated securities containing subprime loans as “AAA” would be disgraced, bankrupt and out of business — no one on earth would deal with them any longer — they wouldn’t be able to pay people to use their services. Instead, under our current system, not only are all those rating services still in business, the S.E.C. requires that all issuers of investments use those rating agencies.
If we had an unregulated free market, no one would be forcing bankers to make riskier loans than they wish to, as is currently done by legislation such as the Community Reinvestment Act and threats of lawsuits from organizations like ACORN and from the Federal Government‘s Justice Department (Clinton‘s DOJ filed 13 major lawsuits against banks for failure to lend to “minorities“).
If we had an unregulated free market, there would be no central banking entity in charge of a fiat money supply with the ability to:
a) Make vast amounts of credit available at below-market interest rates.
b) Follow such a persistent policy of inflation as to convince virtually everyone in the country that purchasing a house is “a good investment”.
c) Eliminate ( or at least significantly reduce) risk aversion by guaranteeing bankers that they (the Fed) will always be there as “lender of last resort”.
d) Condone and make possible a preposterously over-leveraged fractional reserve banking system under which banks currently hold total reserves of only about 4% and are thus extremely vulnerable to any sort of a run or loss of confidence in the bank.
If we had an unregulated free market there would be no quasi-government entities like Fannie and Freddie and the FHA to insure that trillions of dollars of that cheap credit made possible by the Fed was directed into the residential housing market, producing an unsustainable boom in housing construction, which, when it ends, leads inevitably into an economic bust.
If we had an unregulated free market, the Federal Government would not now be contemplating looting the American taxpayers of another trillion dollars or so to pay off various special interests that helped the latest collection of looters get into power.
We don’t have an unregulated free market. We have a “mixed economy”, with a few elements of capitalism struggling under the weight of literally thousands of pages of rules and regulations and dozens of government agencies interfering in virtually every aspect of our economic lives.
And under this set-up, it is you, the “little guy”, the individual who doesn’t have a powerful lobby in Washington to get the rules bent in your favor — you, who cannot command an audience with Congress to beg for your personal bailout — you, who can do nothing as government uses your funds to save the incompetent and the dishonest from the consequences of their own actions — it is you who gets screwed.
We don’t have an unregulated free market; we have an out-of-control government intent on looting us blind.
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:26:12pm |
re: #221 pre-Boomer Marine brat
What The One is doing is different from what FDR was trying to do with the New Deal.
This is about rewarding the Constituency. As a community organizer, he knows he’s got to take care of business.
He’s pushing hard to get it done immediately because, at the moment, he can cover it with the Holy Cloak of “Stimulus”. I suspect he knows the opportunity might not last.
You’re right there!
Thats why this bit of panic seemed to creep in, cloaked by ‘crisis’ talk.
He knows this might be the only opportunity he’s got to do what he wants to reward ‘his people’. After that, events will take over - and perhaps he’s beginning to feel that he’s not equipped to dealing with events …
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:26:19pm |
re: #226 yma o hyd
The wildflowers here are spectacular some years. They need lots of rain in Jan - Feb. Some years the bloom has been non-existent, other times, when the rains are favorable, entire mountainsides are awash in a rainbow. If we get a nice one this year, I will take some photos and post them.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:26:46pm |
re: #228 Desert Dog
Another thing we have to worry about is the coming census. Obama has already said he is going to supervise it “personally”. Why all the interest in counting? So he and his minions can gerrymander themselves into a permanent majority. This is going to be a growing storm….the Dems will try to stack the deck FOREVER.
Amen.
Alinsky would be proud of his boy.
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MarineMomSue Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:27:07pm |
re: #23 MandyManners
Doesn’t the bill remove water completely from the pool?
That was my thought too, Mandy. Maybe the Prof should explain it this way:
Shortly after class, an economics student approaches his economics professor and says, “I don’t understand this stimulus bill. Can you explain it to me?”
The professor replied, “I don’t have any time to explain it at my office, but if you come over to my house on Saturday and help me with my weekend project, I’ll be glad to explain it to you.” The student agreed.
At the agreed-upon time, the student showed up at the professor’s house. The professor stated that the weekend project involved his backyard pool.
They both went out back to the pool, and the professor handed the student a bucket. Demonstrating with his own bucket, the professor said, “First, go over to the deep end and fill your bucket with as much water as you can.” The student did as he was instructed.
The professor then continued, “Follow me over to this green, grassy area closest to the deep end of the pool and dump all the water from your bucket there.” The student was naturally confused, but did as he was told.
The professor then explained they were going to do this many more times, and began walking back to the deep end of the pool.
The confused student asked, “Excuse me, but why are we doing this?”
The professor matter-of-factly stated that the process of taking water from the deep end of the pool and redistributing it to the surrounding area would accomplish several worthy goals:
First, it will enlarge the pool by spreading the water over a greater area.
Second, it will nourish the soil around the old, existing pool site and create a greener planet, helping to control the climate of the planet.
Third, it will level the pool by spreading water from the deep end to the area around the shallow end.
The student didn’t think the economics professor was serious, but figured that he would find out the real story soon enough.
However, after the 6th trip the student began to become worried that his economics professor had gone mad. The student finally replied, “All we’re doing is wasting valuable time and effort on unproductive pursuits. Even worse, when this process is all over, everything will be mired in mud and muck! All you’ll really have accomplished is the destruction of your beautiful pool and yard while putting your pool maintenance man and gardener out of a job!
The professor put down his bucket and replied with a smile, “Congratulations. You now understand the stimulus bill.”
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:27:15pm |
re: #228 Desert Dog
Another thing we have to worry about is the coming census. Obama has already said he is going to supervise it “personally”. Why all the interest in counting? So he and his minions can gerrymander themselves into a permanent majority. This is going to be a growing storm….the Dems will try to stack the deck FOREVER.
We can look forward to another attempt by the Dems to use statistical sampling to inflate the numbers, just like they tried in 2000.
You wouldn’t think it would be that hard to just go and count people. Leave it to the government to screw up something so simple.
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:28:32pm |
re: #206 yma o hyd
I bet you have other problems!
In gardening, its always best to work within the limits set by the prevailing weather conditions, and the soil available.
So - I can’t grow palm trees or cacti, so what! Grow other things - no problem!
Yorkie Bar Trees, and Jelly Babies fresh from the vine…:)
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jcm Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:28:56pm |
re: #232 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Amen.
Alinsky would be proud of his boy.
Son sees father’s handiwork in convention
Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.
L. DAVID ALINSKY
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:29:35pm |
re: #230 yma o hyd
… beginning to feel that he’s not equipped …
Well, the patriotic thing for Michelle to do would be to give them back (for the next four years).
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:30:32pm |
re: #234 lobo91
We can look forward to another attempt by the Dems to use statistical sampling to inflate the numbers, just like they tried in 2000.
You wouldn’t think it would be that hard to just go and count people. Leave it to the government to screw up something so simple.
You can bet every single illegal immigrant will be counted as well. And, in some places (cough, cough, Chicago, cough cough), many “non-living citizens” will make the count as well.
We better hope we have a large contingent in Congress when the redistricting takes place. If it’s like this, no state will be safe from the “Blue Menace”
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soxfan4life Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:30:48pm |
re: #234 lobo91
We can look forward to another attempt by the Dems to use statistical sampling to inflate the numbers, just like they tried in 2000.
You wouldn’t think it would be that hard to just go and count people. Leave it to the government to screw up something so simple.
While it may seem simple, I can hear the excuses now, “They said there was only 4 people there, but it looked like 8 or 9 lived there so I put down 12. And in the R areas it would be well they said 5 but it was a 3 bedroom home so I put 3.
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SFGoth Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:31:36pm |
As much as I [heart] Carl Sagan (and by much, I mean billyuns and billyuns), he’s wrong. Bozo was a frickin’ genius. Saddam’s spokestool, now that was a clown of the unintended variety that we laughed at heartily. (BTW, why the hell didn’t SNL make him one of their guest hosts? That would’ve been the highest rated episodes EVER.)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:31:39pm |
re: #236 jcm
heh, and double-heh.
Saw that when it came out.
Hilarious in its timeliness.
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jcm Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:32:30pm |
re: #241 pre-Boomer Marine brat
heh, and double-heh.
Saw that when it came out.
Hilarious in its timeliness.
And nobody but us bitter clingy types took note.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:32:48pm |
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:33:12pm |
re: #224 Killgore Trout
Moonbats stealing Israeli product from grocery stores….
Arrests over Israel boycott in Tesco’s
What utter insanity - not just the protest about ‘illegal’ food from Israel - but the disgusting destruction of food, at a time when people struggle to pay their food bills.
Typical moonbat behaviour, and I’m sorry to see there are such idiots in Wales.
Mind - this ‘protest’ (I call it vandalism) was not reported in the local papers.
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:33:24pm |
re: #228 Desert Dog
Another thing we have to worry about is the coming census. Obama has already said he is going to supervise it “personally”. Why all the interest in counting? So he and his minions can gerrymander themselves into a permanent majority. This is going to be a growing storm….the Dems will try to stack the deck FOREVER.
I posted a link to this George Will column a couple of days ago. It is a parallel effort to the problems you raise with the census:
The Unconstitutional Compromise
From the column:
And, of course, Congress next could give the District two senators. Which probably is the main objective of the Democrats who are most of the supporters of this end run around the Constitution. In the 12 elections since the District acquired, by constitutional amendment, the right to allocate presidential electoral votes, it has never cast less than 74.8 percent of its popular vote for the Democratic presidential candidate.
I think this attempt would be found unconstitutional by SCOTUS….
at least with the current justices.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:33:25pm |
re: #242 jcm
And nobody but us bitter clingy types took note.
Is Stalin’s daugther still alive? Perhaps she can post about the similarities of her father too?
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:33:55pm |
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bloodnok Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:34:00pm |
re: #240 SFGoth
As much as I [heart] Carl Sagan (and by much, I mean billyuns and billyuns), he’s wrong. Bozo was a frickin’ genius. Saddam’s spokestool, now that was a clown of the unintended variety that we laughed at heartily. (BTW, why the hell didn’t SNL make him one of their guest hosts? That would’ve been the highest rated episodes EVER.)
Because even Baghdad Bob knows that SNL isn’t funny anymore.
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:34:22pm |
re: #231 Desert Dog
The wildflowers here are spectacular some years. They need lots of rain in Jan - Feb. Some years the bloom has been non-existent, other times, when the rains are favorable, entire mountainsides are awash in a rainbow. If we get a nice one this year, I will take some photos and post them.
Oh yes, PLEASE!
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:34:35pm |
re: #247 Dustyvet
You two got static cling in your snuggies?…:)
What is this snuggie fetish you have?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:35:19pm |
re: #247 Dustyvet
You two got static cling in your snuggies?…:)
Uh OH!
JCM, I think they’re onto us!
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:35:22pm |
re: #235 Dustyvet
Yorkie Bar Trees, and Jelly Babies fresh from the vine…:)
Ahhhh - childhood dreams come true!
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:35:58pm |
re: #250 gmsc
What is this snuggie fetish you have?
Not a thing, other then it’s funny…:)
And the frigging things have started showing up in the coffee room of my senior building…:(
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yma o hyd Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:36:49pm |
Gotta go, Lizards - some phone calls to make …
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:37:08pm |
re: #253 Dustyvet
the frigging things have started showing up in the coffee room of my senior building…:(
Used?
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Wishing Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:37:15pm |
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lobo91 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:37:18pm |
re: #239 soxfan4life
While it may seem simple, I can hear the excuses now, “They said there was only 4 people there, but it looked like 8 or 9 lived there so I put down 12. And in the R areas it would be well they said 5 but it was a 3 bedroom home so I put 3.
That’s exactly what they were trying to do in 2000, before they were blocked by the courts.
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Throbert McGee Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:37:35pm |
re: #62 Killgore Trout
I think it was a franchise. Each town had their own Bozo.
Romper Room was, at times, done the same way — it originated in Baltimore, and was later syndicated so that the Baltimore broadcasts could be re-aired in other cities. But for large TV markets like NYC, they instead produced original local versions under franchise from the creators in Baltimore.
By the way, the wiki article about Romper Room has a pretty funny story from the franchised Japanese version, which was known by the phoneticized name Ronpaaruumu, and during its 1963-1979 was hosted by various women who all used the screen-name Midori (meaning “green” — hence the name of the garishly colored melon liqueur):
The show’s second hostess once asked the kids, “Tell me a word that begins with the syllable ki.” A boy piped up with kintama, “testicles”.
Miss Midori replied, by way of dropping the boy a little hint, “Do you know any words that sound more kireina?”, using the everyday Japanese word for “beautiful.” The same boy responded with kireina kintama — “beautiful testicles”!
After a commercial break, the boy had been replaced with a teddy bear.
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slartybartfast Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:37:44pm |
re: #234 lobo91
We can look forward to another attempt by the Dems to use statistical sampling to inflate the numbers, just like they tried in 2000.
You wouldn’t think it would be that hard to just go and count people. Leave it to the government to screw up something so simple.
Did you hear the one about the old man who lived by himself at the end of a dirt road on top of a mountain in East TN? The census taker made the long tip up to the old man’s house where he found the old guy on the front porch, waiting with his shotgun.
Old man: Who are you and what are you doing up here?
Census taker: I’m with the U.S. Census. We’re trying to find out how many people live in this country.
Old man: Well, you came all the way up here for nothin’…I don’t have any idea.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:38:00pm |
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:38:38pm |
re: #255 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Used?
Nope, the seniors are buying them, coffee room is starting to look like a Technicolor monastery.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:39:55pm |
Capitalist-bashing terrorist Bill Ayers signs deal to turn memoir into “graphic novel”
I’ve got a few graphic words for this latest bit of news about Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers’ capitalist pursuits. I bet you do, too:
Teachers College Press, a scholarly, professional and trade publisher focused on the theory and practice of teacher education, has reached agreement on a two-book deal with William Ayers, the University of Illinois at Chicago professor, lauded educational theorist and former leader of the radical 1960s Weather Underground. And, yes, Ayers is indeed the same figure dragooned into the 2008 presidential race in a controversial attempt to use his background in radical politics and a minor acquaintance with Barack Obama to undermine Obama’s presidential run.
In spring 2010, TCP will publish a graphic novel adaptation of To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher, a much-praised memoir of Ayers’s life as a teacher, tentatively to be called To Teach: The Graphic Memoir with art by Xeric Award-winner Ryan Alexander-Tanner. More than a simple memoir, To Teach is also a peer-reviewed work of scholarship on Ayers’s teaching precepts as well as a vivid recollection of his adventures in the classroom. At the same time, TCP will publish a new and revised third edition of the original prose To Teach: The Journey of a Teache. One of TCP’s all-time bestselling titles, To Teach was originally published in 1993 and has sold more than 75,000 copies over three printings, the last one released in 2001.
“For an academic/scholarly press, that’s a major bestseller,” noted TCP acquisitions editor Meg Lemke, who “co-acquired” the book with TCP director Carol Saltz, who will edit the new prose edition. Lemke will oversee the production of the graphic edition. Despite the media hoopla over his radical past, Ayers is a serious and much respected Chicago-based educational activist and theorist who has been with TCP for years and published at least five books at the house.
As for Ayers’ “serious and much respected” track record as an “educational activist and theorist,” I highly recommend you read Steve Sailer’s investigation of how Bill Gates blew $2 billion on Ayers’ educational boondoggle.
How about a graphic novel of that?
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Sharmuta Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:40:05pm |
re: #258 Throbert McGee
The show’s second hostess once asked the kids, “Tell me a word that begins with the syllable ki.” A boy piped up with kintama, “testicles”.
Miss Midori replied, by way of dropping the boy a little hint, “Do you know any words that sound more kireina?”, using the everyday Japanese word for “beautiful.” The same boy responded with kireina kintama — “beautiful testicles”!
Kids are a riot! LMAO!
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:40:19pm |
William Ayers to Turn Memoir into Comic Book
/spit
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Picayune Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:40:22pm |
re: #34 subsailor68
Well, does it make you think of Dick Cheney’s interview this past week?
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derbigdog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:40:38pm |
re: #105 lobo91
I guess that depends on your definition of “success.”
The only way someone like Matthews can make Obama a “success” is by deliberately covering up his mistakes.
What do you think Matthews was talking about?
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:41:53pm |
re: #261 Dustyvet
Nope, the seniors are buying them, coffee room is starting to look like a Technicolor monastery.
Well hey, just toss in some music and ya got yourself an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical.
;-)
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debutaunt Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:42:18pm |
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:42:57pm |
re: #265 Picayune
Well, does it make you think of Dick Cheney’s interview this past week?
Now that you mention it….good point.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:42:58pm |
re: #266 derbigdog
What do you think Matthews was talking about?
Maybe the tingle in his leg is waning? Who knows? I know one thing for certain though, the sensations I get from Obama are of a more hemorrhoidal nature than the ones Chris Matthews seems to get from him.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:43:06pm |
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:43:08pm |
re: #267 subsailor68
Well hey, just toss in some music and ya got yourself an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical.
;-)
Oh God..groan…:)
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:44:57pm |
re: #264 Dustyvet
William Ayers to Turn Memoir into Comic Book
/spit
I would think anything he writes would be more of a tragedy than anything else.
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jcm Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:45:13pm |
re: #251 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Uh OH!
JCM, I think they’re onto us!
Who’s us? You got a mouse in your pocket?
*takes long side step away from pBMb*
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:46:08pm |
re: #272 gmsc
ROTFLMAO! Okay, that may be just about the gayest thing I’ve ever seen.
(Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)
:-)
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:47:12pm |
re: #274 jcm
Reading is sooooo hard.
Well, if you’re interested in what Ayers has to say, reading comprehension probably isn’t your strong point.
;)
re: #275 Desert Dog
I would think anything he writes would be more of a tragedy than anything else.
I don’t know - the other Joker Graphic Novels didn’t have to be done as tragedies.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:48:16pm |
re: #276 jcm
Who’s us? You got a mouse in your pocket?
*takes long side step away from pBMb*
:D … something to make your day more interesting
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:48:33pm |
re: #277 subsailor68
ROTFLMAO! Okay, that may be just about the gayest thing I’ve ever seen.
(Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)
:-)
That particular production of Joseph does have a few saving graces. For example, where else can you find Joan Collins trying to hit on Donny Osmond?
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:51:39pm |
re: #280 gmsc
You’ve outdone yourself! Joan Collins, Donny Osmond, and a whole dance troupe of guys in white suits that even metrosexuals would want to beat the crap out of.
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Picayune Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:52:45pm |
re: #270 subsailor68
Thanks, but that’s just my point - of view.
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jcm Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:53:18pm |
V Australia, Branson’s newest airline takes delivery of it’s first planes.
Late and Branson’s not happy.
On the other hand the crewmembers’ uniforms are something to behold.
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Scion9 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:53:35pm |
re: #278 gmsc
Well, if you’re interested in what Ayers has to say, reading comprehension probably isn’t your strong point.
Probably not your strong point if you were educated by him either.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:54:40pm |
re: #284 jcm
V Australia, Branson’s newest airline takes delivery of it’s first planes.
Late and Branson’s not happy.On the other hand the crewmembers’ uniforms are something to behold.
Never any strikes over at Airbus?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:56:19pm |
re: #286 Desert Dog
Never any strikes over at Airbus?
A ground strike, or two.
A water strike.
Other than that, … no.
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BryanS Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:56:47pm |
re: #3 Charles
I was feeling some extreme love coming my way this morning, so I checked the referrers page, and sure enough - it’s coming from Free Republic:
rest of the quote
“little green footballs” is pseudo-conservative. they would rather take pot-shots at genuine conservatives than defeat the liberals.
lgf is a cancer on the conservative movement.
There’s them holy rollers again claiming you have to be a social con to be a true conservative. Goldwater wasn’t. And though Reagan was religious, he did not kowtow to social cons.
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 12:58:43pm |
re: #282 subsailor68
You’ve outdone yourself! Joan Collins, Donny Osmond, and a whole dance troupe of guys in white suits that even metrosexuals would want to beat the crap out of.
*snort*
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:00:21pm |
re: #289 jcm
Fool unions slit their own damn throats.
But what is most important, did they get the wages or cappuccino machines in the break rooms or gold plated urinals or whatever it was they requested? Who cares if they cost the company millions! Just as long as I get mine!
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jwb7605 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:01:04pm |
re: #262 gmsc
Capitalist-bashing terrorist Bill Ayers signs deal to turn memoir into “graphic novel”
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2/6/2009 10:14:22 AM PT
Location: Chicago, IL
Occupation: Teacher“And yes, Ayers is indeed the same figure dragooned into the 2008 presidential race in a controversial attempt to use his background in radical politics and a minor acquaintance with Barack Obama, to undermine Obama’s presidential run.” One would hope for at least feigned objectivity in a PW article. A verb like “dragooned” and loaded terms like “minor acquaintance” belie not only the author’s bias, but his desire to propagandize as well. This reads more like the editorial page of the NYT than an objective review from the prestigious PW. At least a token nod of respect for the simple facts of Bill Ayers life—criminal activities, wishing he’d blown up more buildings, unapologetic for his illegal actions— would have improved this article.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:01:20pm |
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Shay4l Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:01:54pm |
Regarding the Free Republic vs LGF scoreboarding going on….
the “My tribe is superior to your tribe” stuff is kind of offputting, whoever is spouting it.
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:03:06pm |
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BruxellesBlog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:04:29pm |
re: #191 gmsc
Well, yes and no. The pool example does not consider the possibility that the neighbor has the water, and we may want to borrow the water from their pool and then pay them back with interest as they want to sell us the water with a loan at a really good price with cheap interest.
China, Saudi, Dubai, Qatar, etc have cash. Getting that cash by expecting them to buy securities or tangible assets right now is a non-starter. So, the question becomes do the T-Bills we issue for the stimulus package create more value than the debt service?
My feeling is no, it doesn’t, and we are pissing it away on a bunch of Pork. However, it will yield some limited benefit, so the overall loss in cost of capital is probably manageable. Not great, but manageable if the economy grows at our normal clip once we get out of the recession.
However, if we were to use this money to actually, say, rebuild that shit hole LAX and its transport links, improve rail and deep water ports for cargo on the west coast which is in dire need of help, sort out some new bridges and freeways in nice public/private partnerships, and perhaps (God forbid) reduce corporate taxes, we would probably even get a nice ROI.
Instead, we are using the stimulus to buy Pelosi botox injections and other chinchilla ranch nonsense.
The risk we are running, given the awful performance of the Dubai, China, Qatar, etc, sovereign wealth funds, is that they won’t buy at 3%, and then the fed raises rates on T-Bills to say, 10% like the early 80s. Ouch. And then all we have to show for is is Pelosi’s face that looks like a lizard’s after a stroke.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:05:49pm |
If anyone wants to really understand the bailout and what it means to you and the economy I highly suggest you listen to Bob Brinker. You can get streaming audio here or find a local station here. He’s not the most dynamic personality and he sometimes talks over my head but he’s not a sensationalist and he knows what he’s talking about. Show starting now.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:05:59pm |
The $200 a barrel hang over is just beginning.
Dubai’s Edifice Complex Is Falling on Hard Times
My middle son is really interested in skycrapers. He watch the Burj Dubai being built via a webcam that showed daily progress. I kept telling him that they will build those things and nobody will be in them. I guess thinking that the good times will last forever is not just an American trait?
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:07:20pm |
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brookly red Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:07:36pm |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the reminder… I just turned him on.
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BryanS Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:08:38pm |
re: #295 Jimmah
Hi jcm. How’s your satire/creationism detection equipment today? ;)
Check this out:
[Video]
That was painful to watch. Had to bail early…even listening to it in the background was too much. I hate it when pseudo science is used to justify religious beliefs.
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:09:35pm |
re: #224 Killgore Trout
Moonbats stealing Israeli product from grocery stores….
Arrests over Israel boycott in Tesco’s
WTF? It looked like Tesco were allowing these people to remove the goods without paying even after they knew what was happening.
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Picayune Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:10:07pm |
re: #283 Picayune
Thanks, but that’s just my point - of view.
And here’s Peggy Noonan’s point of view on Cheney: “Bracing Ourselves “.
online.wsj.com
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:10:34pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:13:21pm |
re: #301 brookly red
He’s talking about the bailout now.
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jcm Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:13:37pm |
re: #295 Jimmah
Hi jcm. How’s your satire/creationism detection equipment today? ;)
Check this out:
[Video]
He seems very sincere……..
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:13:38pm |
Don LaFontaine, John Leader, Al Chalk, Mark Elliot, and Nick Tate in, “5 Guys in a Limo”:
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BryanS Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:13:40pm |
re: #307 ploome hineni
Absolutely nothing. Exactly that, and no more. Religious beliefs don’t require justification—if they did, they’d require proof and, well, they wouldn’t be religions any more.
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AuntAcid Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:15:03pm |
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:15:21pm |
re: #302 BryanS
Yep. That wee guy’s completely insane. Must have been dropped head first onto hard concrete as a baby.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:15:27pm |
Cool. $15,000 tax credit for all home buyers!
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:16:43pm |
re: #303 Jimmah
WTF? It looked like Tesco were allowing these people to remove the goods without paying even after they knew what was happening.
And the British Police in those Yellow Motorway jackets doing nothing, as theft, and vandalism is done right before their eyes. Frigging amazing…
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debutaunt Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:16:56pm |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Cool. $15,000 tax credit for all home buyers!
Cool! $15,000 worth of freshly printed extra slick cash!
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:16:59pm |
re: #310 jcm
You answered correctly! I have to admit that first time I saw it, I really thought it had to be satire.
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:17:04pm |
re: #305 Picayune
Thanks for the link. Must say I think it’s one of Peggy Noonan’s better columns recently.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:18:02pm |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Cool. $15,000 tax credit for all home buyers!
Untargeted blanket subsidies! Always a brilliant idea!
/
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jcm Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:18:22pm |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Cool. $15,000 tax credit for all home buyers!
I posted this this morning…..
142,099,000 employed Jan. ‘09
Bottom 50% of pay 3% of the total tax load.
With tax rebates, EIC and other paybacks lets say only the top 25% are going to shoulder the burden of the stimulus package.
25% of 142,000 is 35,500,000 working on paying it off.
$750,000,0000,000
÷ 35,500,000
————————-
$211,267.61
So based on campaign promises of who will pay and who get’s paid. If you earn more than $65,000 a year.
You just bought a nice house.
Oh, and don’t forget the interest, that’s just the principal.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:18:55pm |
re: #321 Occasional Reader
Lowering taxes is great way to help the economy. It will also help the housing market.
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jcm Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:19:43pm |
re: #323 Killgore Trout
Lowering taxes is great way to help the economy. It will also help the housing market.
Yep, a housing tax credit is one of the few good things in the bill……
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debutaunt Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:20:52pm |
re: #325 jcm
Yep, a housing tax credit is one of the few good things in the bill……
Presto - chango. What’s in the bill now?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:21:17pm |
re: #325 jcm
There’s also a provision to deduct interest for auto loans. That seems like a good idea too.
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jwb7605 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:21:27pm |
Iowahawk remains off his meds (which is good)
Dead Hobo Reporting Glitch Claims Another White House Appointee.
“I think the American public understands that whenever there’s a transfer of power, there are always going to be a couple of trips and stumbles, followed by an ethics imbroglio or two, and maybe a little glitchy pecadillo or occasional kerfuffly snafu,” said Hitler. “If anything, these resignations just go to show how committed President Obama is to bringing ethics back to Washington. After the days of Scooter Libby and Jack Abramoff, I think the American public can take pride in the fact that almost 80% of the White House staff have full legal permission to pass within 300 feet of Chicago public playgrounds.”
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abaleh Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:21:57pm |
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:22:18pm |
re: #308 ploome hineni
the British have gone over to the dark side, a long time ago
That’s too sweeping a statement. Not everyone here in Britain is some species of moonbat. All the same, this is shocking.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:22:22pm |
re: #323 Killgore Trout
Lowering taxes is great way to help the economy. It will also help the housing market.
Look, it may be better than spending the money on pork, but a) if you’re going to do a tax cut, do a proportional, straight-out tax cut; don’t force people to spend the money the way the government wants; and b) I am deeply skeptical of all this talk of “helping” the housing market. By historical standards, as a multiple of GDP per capita, housing is STILL very expensive. Inflated home prices helped get us into this mess in the first place, I’m not sure what re-inflating them is supposed to accomplish.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:22:23pm |
re: #326 ploome hineni
I have it on my amazon list but I’m enduring a spending freeze so I haven’t bought anything unnecessary for the past few months.
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BryanS Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:23:34pm |
re: #324 ploome hineni
so, pseudo science is just as good as:
because I said so?
or simply
because!
Sure…I think. Not 100% sure what you mean. The pseudo science of that youtube post or of creationists in general is no science. Those who believe in it have deluded themselves into thinking they are proving their religious beliefs. If they were not huge fricken hypocrites, they would have faith without proof. But alas, they feel the need to drag down science to make themselves feel better. Kind of like global warming theorists—same idea there.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:23:35pm |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Cool. $15,000 tax credit for all home buyers!
I have no issue with that (& I rent), but I also remember not so long ago when that would have been called a tax cut for the rich… my how quickly things change.
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Desert Dog Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:23:51pm |
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Occasional Reader Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:23:51pm |
re: #333 Killgore Trout
I have it on my amazon list but I’m enduring a spending freeze so I haven’t bought anything unnecessary for the past few months.
It’s your patriotic duty to spend. Why do you hate America so much?
/
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gmsc Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:24:19pm |
re: #324 ploome hineni
so, pseudo science is just as good as:
because I said so?
or simply
because!
• “Why do I keep dropping things?”
• “It’s the shoons.”
• “What are shoons?”
• “Invisible beings that pull things out of your hands and throw them on the floor.”
• “Why would I believe that?”
• “Well, if you can’t disprove it, you have to believe it.”
• “But you didn’t prove it.”
• “I can feel them. You can feel them too You’re just in denial.”
• “Well I don’t believe it.”
• “So you are an ashoonist.”
• “What’s an ashoonist?”
• “One who arbitrarily refuses to believe in shoons. You wonder why you drop things, but you arbitrarily reject the explanation.”
• “Okay then, I’m an ashoonist.”
• “But ashoonists are all cynics and killjoys! Is that the kind of company you want to keep?”What a silly way to argue! Or is it? If you separate the method of argument from the content, then you might notice that it is the most common of all methods of argument: the arbitrary declaration. They say that something is so, and you have to either disprove it or agree with it. Refusing to do either is joining the Meanies.
It’s a paradox. You cannot reject an assertion without reason, but you could waste the whole day finding reasons to reject arbitrary assertions. Ayn Rand’s epistemology solves the paradox by taking away permission to make assertions in the first place without reasons.
Come to think of it, where did that permission come from? If an assertion does not come with an observable connection to reality, why would anybody pay attention to it? Well, if it has to be either right or wrong, then you have to decide which, and you have to be reasonable. So you can’t reject anything without disproving it.
But what if a statement could be something else besides right or wrong? What if it could also be simply meaningless?
Right and wrong are relationships to reality – correspondence and non-correspondence. To judge a statement as right or wrong, you compare it to reality, by finding what part of reality it compares to. If a statement does not say what part of reality it compares to, then it is presented without connection to reality. It could mean all sorts of things, depending on where it fits in reality. Since that is not specified, it means nothing. It conveys words, but not meaning. Since you cannot call it right, and you cannot call it wrong, you call it arbitrary. Arbitrary means lacking any evidence of a relationship to reality.
To treat arbitrary assertions as right is to be a self-made sucker. To treat them as wrong is to try judging without evidence. The objective way is to realize that assertions without evidence are meaningless. No matter how much emotion they contain, nothing has been said.
Here’s a completion of the original argument:
• “Wait! Before you told me about the shoons, was I a shoonist, or an ashoonist?”
• “Well, neither. That word just meant nothing to you.”
• “And it still means nothing to me. Try me again when you’ve got evidence.”
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CynicalConservative Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:25:13pm |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Cool. $15,000 tax credit for all home buyers!
Great, can I sell my house to myself and get the credit?
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3 wood Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:25:18pm |
re: #332 Occasional Reader
Look, it may be better than spending the money on pork, but a) if you’re going to do a tax cut, do a proportional, straight-out tax cut; don’t force people to spend the money the way the government wants; and b) I am deeply skeptical of all this talk of “helping” the housing market. By historical standards, as a multiple of GDP per capita, housing is STILL very expensive. Inflated home prices helped get us into this mess in the first place, I’m not sure what re-inflating them is supposed to accomplish.
It is my opinion FWIW that all this stimulus bill will really do is ignite inflation.
The key to growing the economy is to repair the damage to the financial system and housing prices, and to do that the mark to market standard has to be dropped.
Until they do that, the rest of this is mostly just pork spending.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:27:23pm |
re: #342 3 wood
repair the damage to the financial system and housing prices
And again, that’s the part I’m skeptical about. Re-starting asset inflation in the form of housing just seems to me to be kicking the can down the road.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:27:30pm |
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:29:15pm |
Sean Penn: My Critics Are ‘Failed Actors, Like the Fox Anchors’ Who Envy Me.
Mr. Penn, I think it’s time for you to spend some quality rime in a padded cell, while you deal with those voices in your head.
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abaleh Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:30:44pm |
re: #337 Desert Dog
Looks like Boeing’s unions are either greedier or dumber than their counterparts in Toulouse.
Looks like it.
Unions were a good thing at the beginning of the 20th century when working conditions were truly appaling, but nowadays they are just a way to perpetuate inefficiency.
A friend of mine told me recently that his company was supposed to do a project with the Israel Ports Authority. When their representative went there to finalize details, they told him he had to meet with the union rep and get his approval for the project. The union rep asked what the project’s purpose was for, and when he was told that it was to improve efficiency, he simply said that he doesn’t approve the project and walked out.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:31:57pm |
Here’s some New You Can Use, lizards: Bell’s Kalamazoo Stout is delicious beer, but WOW does it yield one hell of a hangover if consumed in excess.
[still shaking cobwebs out of head at 4:30 pm]
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Picayune Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:35:20pm |
re: #320 subsailor68
Agreed. Inclusive, pertinent, and concise. She believes that today, all the adults are “bracing” , quietly, for both the near and longer term!
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docremulac Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:35:55pm |
“They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.”
That’s a claim that’s not backed by any empirical evidence. I don’t believe anybody’s ever laughed at Bozo the clown.
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Dustyvet Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:37:45pm |
Terrorist alert: Osama Bin Laden associates on run in Midlands
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jwb7605 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:43:07pm |
re: #351 Dustyvet
Terrorist alert: Osama Bin Laden associates on run in Midlands
[Link: www.sundaymercury.net…]
Link fixed on next thread
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tradewind Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:52:03pm |
Comments re the mother of octuplets run the gamut, but this one is one of the most interesting (and out-there). Evidently the Mom has an Iraqi father living in the US, and he is not a citizen, leading to this comment on the CBS.com website….
Whereas welfare mamas see babies as a meal ticket, jihadists see them as weapons. With indoctrination in the madrassa, these could be 14 suicide bombers in 15 to 20 years. Saddam offered families $25,000 for any child that would suicide bomb an Isreali bus. When the the question was asked why are they suicide bombing, the reply was “What else do they have to fight with?”Posted by runningralph at 11:22 PM : Feb 05, 2009
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Cheechako Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:22:19pm |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Cool. $15,000 tax credit for all home buyers!
Whoopie! The price of a home just went up $15,000!
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Colonel Panik Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:26:28pm |
re: #284 jcm
V Australia, Branson’s newest airline takes delivery of it’s first planes.
Late and Branson’s not happy.On the other hand the crewmembers’ uniforms are something to behold.
He should be blasting the damn unions, not Boeing.
I’m really annoyed by these hippie CEO’s.
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Cato Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:34:21pm |
re: #217 subsailor68
re: #218 Scion9
re: #222 soxfan4life
You all make excellent points. The government shouldn’t run the companies and shouldn’t tell them how much their people can make. But even more importantly, they shouldn’t limit the number and kind of banks and insurance companies out there when we have so many in trouble. But that is what licensing does. Why do deposits have to be insured to $250,000 or whatever it is this week for everyone? I don’t deposit that much in a bank. What if a bank could take deposits of up to $25,000 or $50,000 that were insured and consequently pay a smaller premium to the FDIC or SBIC? Would that be so bad so long as depositors knew their rights? And with different banks would come different lending policies which would unfreeze lending faster.
Everybody talks about diversity in skin color, but nobody talks about diversity in business practice. You know, if you go to Walmart to buy some shoes that they carry but they don’t have in your size, you can go to the next Walmart and get them. If you go for a loan to Bank of America, and they turn you down, they have turned you down in every Bank of America in the country. I thin we ought to make sure that there are more banks and financial institutions to go to before we get shut out for good.
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CapitalistTool Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:42:39pm |
Oh great. I just got a Nigerian Scam e-mail supposedly from a “Sgt. John Moore, USMC” who claims to have found his money ($25M) in one of Saddam’s Presidential Palaces.
The e-mail was from “jhnmoore at usmc.com,” in case anybody would like to have some fun.
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rb4269 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:31:52pm |
re: #350 docremulac
You’re right I don’t recall ever really laughing at Bozo. I have actually laughed at Carl Sagan, though, and recently. Over the holidays I watched Jacob Bronowskis brilliant series “Ascent of Man” again and then followed it up with ‘Cosmos’. (Well, half of ‘Cosmos’.) Such a self important git. ( ” I have a masters degree - in science!”)
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rb4269 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:39:53pm |
re: #262 gmsc
“Graphic Novel” is the most totally appropriate medium for Ayers. As an academician whose specialty is ‘education’ he is a cartoon intellectual, just as when he and his wife were in the weather ‘underground’ they were cartoon revolutionaries. In exactly the same way that Tom Sawyer and his friends played at being pirates these children played at being intellectual revolutionaries.
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docremulac Sat, Feb 7, 2009 6:19:16pm |
re: #359 rb4269
“You’re right I don’t recall ever really laughing at Bozo. I have actually laughed at Carl Sagan, though, and recently. Over the holidays I watched Jacob Bronowskis brilliant series “Ascent of Man” again and then followed it up with ‘Cosmos’. (Well, half of ‘Cosmos’.) Such a self important git. ( ” I have a masters degree - in science!”)”
Got that right. Carl Sagan was a big pot smoker and it showed in how much he’d dwell on stuff like the amount of stars in the universe, the distances and sizes involved with astronomy etc.
It’s like listening to an annoying drunk who keeps repeating himself about some subject he finds fascinating even though it’s self evident: “Yea, we get it there’s lots of stars out there. Billions and billions and billions. Ok already. Jeeze.”
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docremulac Sat, Feb 7, 2009 9:00:39pm |
I’m down on Sagan because he was a total libtard. (liberal retard)
That being said, if you want to see an amazing classic science documentary series, get James Burke’s “Connections”. Your library should have it in DVD.
Burke became a moonbat in his later years but he wasn’t stoned when he made this series and it moves amazingly quickly.
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Banner Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:35:52pm |
And I would defy anyone to say that Bozo the Clown wasn’t a genius.
Look at how famous he got. Look at how much money he made. Look at how many people he entertained. Between Bozo and Carl Sagan, when it comes to the smart department, I’d chose Bozo first.
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Banner Sat, Feb 7, 2009 10:37:21pm |
re: #363 docremulac
I’m down on Sagan because he was a total libtard. (liberal retard)
That being said, if you want to see an amazing classic science documentary series, get James Burke’s “Connections”. Your library should have it in DVD.
Burke became a moonbat in his later years but he wasn’t stoned when he made this series and it moves amazingly quickly.
A friend of mine met Carl Sagan. Prior to meeting him he thougth Carl was a great man. After meeting him his opinion of Carl equated to that of pond scum. Carl was great at PR, all of his books were ghost written, and he never discovered anything in his career, he was just another over hyped prof.
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eaglewingz08 Sun, Feb 8, 2009 8:24:45am |
Yes, I’ve gotten billions and billions of laughs from Mr. Carl Global Cooling Sagan. Bozo was brighter than that libtard. I agree that James Burke before his fall was a wonderful science lecturer.
Carl Sagan was the godfather to Al Goreacle and they both deserve their disrepute.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 8, 2009 9:18:24am |
re: #365 Banner
A friend of mine met Carl Sagan. Prior to meeting him he thougth Carl was a great man. After meeting him his opinion of Carl equated to that of pond scum. Carl was great at PR, all of his books were ghost written, and he never discovered anything in his career, he was just another over hyped prof.
This is ridiculous nonsense. Carl Sagan was the author of more than 600 scientific papers, and wrote more than 20 books. He did not use a ghostwriter.
Seriously. Where do you people get this crap? Sagan accomplished more in his life than most people can even dream of. You don’t like his politics, so you’re trashing him in an extremely dishonest way.
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