Biden Threatens Iran (Kidding)

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America’s new representative on the world stage, Joe Biden, says the US is ready to act on Iran.

MUNICH – Vice President Joe Biden warned Saturday that the U.S. stands ready to take pre-emptive action against Iran if it does not abandon nuclear ambitions and its support for terrorism.

But in his first major policy speech as President Barack Obama’s No. 2, Biden also declared the U.S. open for talks with Iran and Russia to repair relations. And he reached out to the world with a promise that the Obama administration will work with allies to solve global problems.

“We will draw upon all the elements of our power — military and diplomatic, intelligence and law enforcement, economic and cultural — to stop crises from occurring before they are in front of us,” he told the gathering in his 25-minute address.

Let’s not ignore the awesome power of the dreaded strongly-worded letter.

The Associated Press says the US just isn’t ready—yet—to abandon “the stick,” even though we’ve been warned by Iran. We’re incorrigible.

While President Barack Obama has said the U.S. is ready for direct talks with Iran, Biden’s comments made it clear the U.S. is not willing to completely discard the stick, despite early warnings from Tehran.

His comments came a day after Larijani sternly declared that the Obama administration must admit past wrongs before there can be reconciliation. The old “carrot-and-stick policy must be discarded,” he said, alluding to Western threats and offers of rewards to coax Iran to give up nuclear activities.

Tehran insists its nuclear aims are peaceful.

And meanwhile, back home in Tehran, the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is gloating: Iran: Nuclear progress despite sanctions.

Iran has achieved breakthroughs in nuclear and space technology despite international sanctions against it, the country’s top leader said Saturday.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told military commanders that instead of weakening Iran, sanctions by the US, the UN and others have forced it to become more self-reliant, leading to greater strides by Iranian scientists and to technological advancements unseen in the country’s history.

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277 comments
1 Sharmuta  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:27:13pm
We will draw upon all the elements of our power — military and diplomatic, intelligence and law enforcement, economic and cultural — to stop crises from occurring before they are in front of us

So they're continuing the Bush Doctrine? Are moonbat heads exploding?

2 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:27:24pm

Start checking, was this the same speech Neil Kinnock gave to the Labor faithful in 1988?

3 jwb7605  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:28:14pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

So they're continuing the Bush Doctrine? Are moonbat heads exploding?

I heard the clip, and the exact same thought occured to me.
Except for the moonbat head stuff. They'll twist, turn, and justify it.

4 songbird  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:28:25pm

So Biden is putting his trust in the persuasive and coercive powers of THE COMFY CHAIR!

5 Occasional Reader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:29:18pm
despite early warnings from Tehran.

Oh, bite me, AP.

6 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:30:14pm

Here it is in a nutshell:

While Biden's speech was short on details of emerging Obama administration policies — including its plans and ambitions for Afghanistan — his remarks set a tone of partnership in contrast to what some allies saw as a more bullying posture by the previous administration.

talk is cheap Mr. VP...how can you achieve all of this if you stick to your "unclench your fist" method? What if they not only refuse to unclench their fist, but decide to clench both fists and pop you in the mouth? Still want to talk?

7 Tupac23X  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:30:49pm

"Repair relations" ?

Where does launching satellites into space while aggressively building a stealth nuclear program and assisting in the closing of supply lines into Afghanistan (aka the "Good War") factor into "repairing relations?"

8 capitalist piglet  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:31:36pm

Does this mean what it looks like it means? (It's probably already been brought up here, but I missed it, I guess.)

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

9 livefreeor die  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:31:36pm

God have mercy on our nation.

10 irongrampa  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:31:42pm

So, the lobotomy WASN'T successful, after all?

11 jcm  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:32:09pm
“We will draw upon all the elements of our power — military and diplomatic, intelligence and law enforcement, economic and cultural...."

Whatcha' gonna' do Plugs; invite them to a showing of Team American World Police and arrested them when they go for popcorn?

12 lobo91  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:32:24pm

Maybe we should try combining both approaches.

Has anyone considered the "carrot on a stick" approach?

13 Bubbaman  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:32:30pm

I wonder if he threatened to use the dirty three-letter word, "jobs" or is he saving that for the self-stimulation package?

14 capitalist piglet  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:32:41pm

re: #8 capitalist piglet

Does this mean what it looks like it means? (It's probably already been brought up here, but I missed it, I guess.)

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

On second thought, I think I knew about this, if it just means money to Palestinians.

15 livefreeor die  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:32:46pm

re: #8 capitalist piglet

Does this mean what it looks like it means? (It's probably already been brought up here, but I missed it, I guess.)

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Yes, our tax dollars will go to help supporters of Hamas move here where we can spend more tax dollars feeding and housing them.

16 BryanS  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:32:56pm

Well, if they are going to talk with Iran, it's better that they are pushing back against some of the insulting rhetoric coming from the Iranians. Perceptions of weakness become reality--especially in the middle east.

I really do hope that there is a short time limit on this opening to Iran. Either it produces results, or we take out their program.

17 Tupac23X  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:33:53pm

re: #10 irongrampa

So, the lobotomy WASN'T successful, after all?

Amazingly, it took 52% of the people in this country almost 4 decades to realize that.

/as if they cared

18 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:34:25pm

re: #12 lobo91

Maybe we should try combining both approaches.

Has anyone considered the "carrot on a stick" approach?

Perhaps VP Biden and Pres. Obama will order SAC to launch one of our new ICBC?

19 Occasional Reader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:35:11pm

re: #11 jcm

Whatcha' gonna' do Plugs; invite them to a showing of Team American World Police and arrested them when they go for popcorn?

Hey, you laugh, but Hizballah wasn't laughing when we teamed up with the French and kicked them out of Lebanon, were they?

/

20 capitalist piglet  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:35:28pm

re: #15 livefreeor die

Yes, our tax dollars will go to help supporters of Hamas move here where we can spend more tax dollars feeding and housing them.

That's the part I'm wondering about. It sounds like he's offering them refugee status, but reading declarations like that aren't my strength.

This almost seems like he's inviting terrorism to America, funded by American taxpayers. Am I overreacting?

21 lostlakehiker  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:35:44pm

Iran's technological prowess is not matched by economic prowess. As the population grows and the means of support are pinched by the expense of the nuclear weapons and missile programs together with across-the-board incompetence and corruption, something may have to give.

But---they've gotta be thinking the same about us.

Sigh.

22 kpom  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:36:13pm

Munich was the appropriate location for Biden to give his speech...

23 BryanS  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:36:17pm

re: #18 Desert Dog

Perhaps VP Biden and Pres. Obama will order SAC to launch one of our new ICBC?

ICBC..InterContinental Ballistic Carrot ... heh

24 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:36:39pm

re: #23 BryanS

ICBC..InterContinental Ballistic Carrot ... heh

Ya got it!

25 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:36:42pm
26 capitalist piglet  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:36:42pm

re: #20 capitalist piglet

That's the part I'm wondering about. It sounds like he's offering them refugee status, but reading declarations like that aren't my strength.

This almost seems like he's inviting terrorism to America, funded by American taxpayers. Am I overreacting?

LOL - reading isn't my only weakness. I have to pay better attention to what I'm writing. Heh.

(Get some more coffee, piglet.)

27 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:36:56pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Naw sharm, they are just kidding, How can they face their constituentsby tellling them something like that and MEAN IT?/////

28 ornery elephant  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:37:16pm

It's nice to see that Biden is committing the U.S. to partner with all of those countries in the world who have all come together to make darn sure the Iranians don't get The Bomb. Countries like......ummm....errr....(hold on a minute).....uhhhh......(just a moment please).....crap, never mind.

29 ladycatnip  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:37:30pm
... Biden also declared the U.S. open for talks with Iran and Russia to repair relations. And he reached out to the world with a promise that the Obama administration will work with allies to solve global problems.

Talk about ego. *Cue Mike Meyers' Scottish brogue* "Their heads are the size of a small planet."

30 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:37:42pm

re: #25 Iron Fist

Barack Hussein Obama is probably already trying on his new "negiotiating" knee-pads in preparation for his "no preconditions" meeting with Ahmadinejad. I wonder if he'll do the full Lewinsky on their first date?

I guess if he wears a blue suit we'll have our answer.

31 Sharmuta  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:38:23pm

LOL! Love the carrots.

32 Steve Rogers  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:38:23pm

Iran has achieved breakthroughs in nuclear and space technology despite international sanctions against it...


Iran might as well call all their rockets "Barockets" in honor of the one man whom they do not fear.

33 golly  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:38:56pm

re: #25 Iron Fist

Barack Hussein Obama is probably already trying on his new "negiotiating" knee-pads in preparation for his "no preconditions" meeting with Ahmadinejad. I wonder if he'll do the full Lewinsky on their first date?

W stood up, looked the world in the eye, and right or wrong said, "Bring it on."

If O says that he'll grab his ankles.

34 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:39:03pm

re: #8 capitalist pigletIf it walks like a duck...it might just be....god can they be that F#@%ing stupid? Wait a minute...of course they can...

35 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:39:16pm

Please dems, go back to leveling off the oceans and clothing the nekkid.

36 thefallingman  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:39:20pm

These people make me think of Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels.
"Armed? Armed with what?"
"Uh, colorful language, bad breath, feather duster."

37 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:39:46pm

Why do I have a this bad feeling that we will be watching this video in a year or so when the mullahs atomic wet dreams come true?

Youtube Video
38 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:39:50pm

re: #10 irongrampa

They gotta have something to work with in order to perform it right?///

39 Sharmuta  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:40:07pm
“We will draw upon all the elements of our power — military and diplomatic, intelligence and law enforcement, economic and cultural — to stop crises from occurring before they are in front of us,” he told the gathering in his 25-minute address.

Where is Charlie Gibson? Is he going to question Biden on the Bush Doctrine based on these comments, and if so, will he look down his nose at Biden during the interview?

40 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:41:07pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Where is Charlie Gibson? Is he going to question Biden on the Bush Doctrine based on these comments, and if so, will he look down his nose at Biden during the interview?

Not with that "KoolAid" mustache he is sporting lately

41 iraqnophobic  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:41:37pm

Biden: "stop crises from occurring before they are in front of us".

Whew, I was worried for a while that Iran's nuclear capabilities were a crisis in front of us. I guess not. Carry on, folks, there's nothing to see here or crisis to stop there. Joe and Barack are, of course, correct.

The capability is not a crisis in front of us. It is behind us. It is not a potential capability but a reality.

42 irongrampa  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:41:43pm

I honestly can't remember an administration self destructing like this in my life. We ought to have fun sifting through the rubble 4 years hence.

43 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:42:21pm
The much anticipated speech got high marks from world leaders in the audience at this annual security conference.

That part worries disgusts me.

44 jwb7605  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:42:22pm

DustyVet (on the last link) posted a broken link.
I found and fixed it, and it's worth knowing (regarding the prediction of terrorists coming here from the UK)
Terrorist alert: Osama Bin Laden associates on run in Midlands

45 jcm  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:42:25pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Where is Charlie Gibson? Is he going to question Biden on the Bush Doctrine based on these comments, and if so, will he look down his nose at Biden during the interview?

Biden Doctrine.....
Military is off the table.

What they've told our enemies is do what every you what, we'll do nothing.

46 capitalist piglet  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:42:42pm

re: #34 Marvo76

If it walks like a duck...it might just be....god can they be that F#@%ing stupid? Wait a minute...of course they can...

I can't decide whether he's just a garden-variety leftist who believes in the daisy-in-the-barrel-of-a-gun world view, or whether what drives him is more sinister than that.

Given those he's surrounded himself with throughout his life, I'm leaning toward the latter.

47 outsidephilly  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:43:17pm

re: #15 livefreeor die

OT:
Last week I saw a car with a bumper sticker that read:
livefreeor die
was that you?

48 thefallingman  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:43:39pm

re: #45 jcm
Not true at all. We'll take decisive action to label their actions as "unhelpful."

49 irongrampa  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:43:54pm

re: #38 Marvo76

I swear, these people have the intellectual capacity of a thumbtack.

Scary.

50 ornery elephant  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:44:50pm

Aide to the mullahs in Iran: "We have word that Biden has intimated that the U.S. might use force against us regarding the nuclear weapons. He said it in Germany today."

mullahs: "Biden? who is this Biden you refer to?"

Aide: " you remember him, he's the one last year that suggested the the U.S. carve Iraq up into three countries !"

mullah: " Ahhh yes....now we remember...he doesn't sound much like that bastard Cheney"

Aide: "No, he's nothing like Cheney....thank allah"

51 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:45:31pm

Back from running errands. On the freeway I saw a car with a bumpersticker: 2009, the end of an error. They were driving 45 in a 65. Some people are very slow.

52 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:45:56pm

re: #23 BryanS

ICBC..InterContinental Ballistic Carrot ... heh

Heh! ICBC is also the abbreviation for the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, that province's government-monopoly auto insurance provider, and a right cluster-f**k it is, too.

53 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:46:28pm

re: #51 jaunte

Were they in one of those "Smart Cars?"

54 jcm  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:46:31pm

re: #49 irongrampa

I swear, these people have the intellectual capacity of a thumbtack.

Scary.

Not nearly that sharp.

55 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:46:50pm

this is getting ridiculous,
khamenei bragging and gloating that they have achieved nuclear breakthroughs.
let's take them out already. now is the time.

i hope israel is listening because:
O is just going to stroll around trying to be loved while iran actually gets deliverable nuclear weapons.
O is a disaster. a danger to the world.

56 jcm  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:46:50pm

re: #51 jaunte

Back from running errands. On the freeway I saw a car with a bumpersticker: 2009, the end of an error. They were driving 45 in a 65. Some people are very slow.

On a Prius?

57 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:47:09pm

re: #53 vagabond trader

No, it was a Kia.

58 Perplexed  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:47:18pm

re: #42 irongrampa

I honestly can't remember an administration self destructing like this in my life. We ought to have fun sifting through the rubble 4 years hence.

I've got to apologize to President Grant. His administration may have been crooked, but it wasn't incompetent. Sorry President Grant for lumping Obama's administration in with yours.

59 Sharmuta  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:47:29pm

re: #57 jaunte

No, it was a Kia.

Bwahahaha!

60 BryanS  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:48:41pm

re: #52 Alberta Oil Peon

Heh! ICBC is also the abbreviation for the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, that province's government-monopoly auto insurance provider, and a right cluster-f**k it is, too.

Maybe when we're done launching ICBCs at Iran, you could have the leftovers to launch at them?

61 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:48:45pm

re: #55 nyc redneck

I'm hoping for an on the job mishap.

62 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:48:50pm

re: #49 irongrampa

You really give them to much credit I think...

63 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:49:01pm
64 lookingup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:49:20pm

Biden may very well tell a different story tomorrow. Obama will tell us he has been very clear on this all along. This is what we get when we elect inexperience and a mouth. They both will lie more and more to cover their mistakes, but with Biden he will believe it.

65 Sharmuta  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:49:56pm

So.... is this part of the 70% or the 30%, Mr. Vice President?

66 Perplexed  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:50:21pm

re: #57 jaunte

Hmmm, not even an American car. Wonder how the UAW feels about that?

67 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:50:54pm

re: #60 BryanS

Maybe when we're done launching ICBCs at Iran, you could have the leftovers to launch at them?

Our nuclear deterrent can't be beet!

68 BryanS  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:51:03pm

re: #55 nyc redneck

this is getting ridiculous,
khamenei bragging and gloating that they have achieved nuclear breakthroughs.
let's take them out already. now is the time.

i hope israel is listening because:
O is just going to stroll around trying to be loved while iran actually gets deliverable nuclear weapons.
O is a disaster. a danger to the world.

We'll see if Netanyahu is elected in a few days...though him leaving Barak in the position of Defense Minister isn't the best of decisions in my mind. I doubt Isreal could pull off an operation on their own, but they've been known to pull rabbits out of hats in the past.

69 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:51:06pm

re: #64 lookingup

good dope, bad dope?

70 MJ  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:52:22pm

An Opening to Iran?
They've sold us this rug before
by Michael Rubin
Weekly Standard
February 16, 2009

[Link: www.meforum.org...]


During the Democratic primaries, Barack Obama promised to meet the leaders of Iran "without preconditions." He appears a man of his word. Within days of his election, the State Department began drafting a letter to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad intended to pave the way for face-to-face talks. Then, less than a week after taking office, Obama told al-Arabiya's satellite network, "If countries like Iran are willing to unclench their fist, they will find an extended hand from us." The president dispatched former Defense Secretary William Perry to engage a high-level Iranian delegation led by a senior Ahmadinejad adviser.
71 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:53:26pm

israel has to see that O is putting them last.
even behind us.

72 Steve  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:54:22pm

While President Barack Obama has said the U.S. is ready for direct talks with Iran, Biden’s comments made it clear the U.S. is not willing to completely discard the stick shtick, despite early warnings from Tehran.

Now it is correct.

73 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:54:42pm

re: #66 Perplexed

Hmmm, not even an American car. Wonder how the UAW feels about that?

I think they've been taken care of:
[Link: www.heritage.org...]

74 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:55:15pm

re: #68 BryanS

We'll see if Netanyahu is elected in a few days...though him leaving Barak in the position of Defense Minister isn't the best of decisions in my mind. I doubt Isreal could pull off an operation on their own, but they've been known to pull rabbits out of hats in the past.

I am guessing here, but I believe they already have their chess pieces in place, and only waiting to see what the US will do, or for the "test" to confirm they have the weapon. At that point, we will see the Most devestating Lightning attack the world has ever seen, and Iran will be wondering what hit them...should there be anyone left who can speak...

75 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:55:34pm

uhmmm, dosen't this kind of "policy statement" usually come from the Sec. of State and not the VP?

76 Shug  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:55:54pm
aaaaah Carrots are devine, you get a dozen for a dime you know it maaaaagic

Bugs Bunny Biden

77 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:56:02pm

Tehran insists its nuclear aims are peaceful.

WTF are peaceful nuclear aims?

78 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:56:35pm

O does not have a stick,
except the one he is using, exclusively, on his own country.

79 Throbert McGee  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:56:42pm
MUNICH – Vice President Joe Biden warned Saturday that the U.S. stands ready to take pre-emptive action against Iran if it does not abandon nuclear ambitions and its support for terrorism.

Somehow, I don't think the White House will be too happy with the AP for using the term "pre-emptive" here.

80 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:56:53pm

re: #70 MJ

I guess we will be ignoring the "preconditions" that they set on us.....

81 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:57:05pm

Love the old story about RR's comment after being told that Israel had just blown Osirak, Saddam's nuke ambition, to hell. "Boys will be boys." Still makes me smile.

82 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:57:12pm

re: #70 MJ

An Opening to Iran?
They've sold us this rug before
by Michael Rubin
Weekly Standard
February 16, 2009

[Link: www.meforum.org...]

Any treaty or agreement with the current leadership in Teheran is not worth a thing. They are liars and will say whatever it takes to advance their own goals. If it suites them to negotiate, they will, but it will be nothing but a hudna if anything at all comes from it.....they state their ultimate goal at the end of every Friday prayer: Death to America AND Israel. I think that is pretty clear to me. I believe them when they say that.

83 ladycatnip  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:57:37pm

#1 Sharmuta

So they're continuing the Bush Doctrine? Are moonbat heads exploding?

Isn't it amazing that Biden and the O can say the exact same things Bush did and people weep for joy. I think Charles posted Jon Stewart's take on how Obama's speech was right out of the Bush playbook. For being a liberal, he got it right.

84 ornery elephant  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:58:15pm

re: #75 brookly red

uhmmm, dosen't this kind of "policy statement" usually come from the Sec. of State and not the VP?

I think Hillary was late to the conference- she was busy at the Munich International Airport weaving from her plane , dodging small arms fire coming from the hilltops....courageously diving onto a luggage cart at the last minute as a round jussst missed her.

85 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:58:15pm

re: #77 soxfan4life

Tehran insists its nuclear aims are peaceful.

WTF are peaceful nuclear aims?

we should let them know our nuclear aim can hit a dime in downtown Tehran if needed

86 BryanS  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:58:21pm

re: #74 Marvo76

I am guessing here, but I believe they already have their chess pieces in place, and only waiting to see what the US will do, or for the "test" to confirm they have the weapon. At that point, we will see the Most devestating Lightning attack the world has ever seen, and Iran will be wondering what hit them...should there be anyone left who can speak...

Perhaps, but I'm not sure how anything but a suicide mission could be pulled off--that or explicit cooperation from one of Iran's neighbors. Maybe A.Q. Kahn's release was a ruse to expose him to assassination--or maybe things just aren't going well all around for our side.

87 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:58:53pm

re: #75 brookly red

Probably, but then again this is hopenchange, so the SOS might be "marginalized" so she can collect a pay check and be kept from "interfering"

88 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:59:04pm

re: #82 Desert Dog

Any treaty or agreement with the current leadership in Teheran is not worth a thing. They are liars and will say whatever it takes to advance their own goals. If it suites them to negotiate, they will, but it will be nothing but a hudna if anything at all comes from it.....they state their ultimate goal at the end of every Friday prayer: Death to America AND Israel. I think that is pretty clear to me. I believe them when they say that.

And wasn't it BHO himself who was quoted as saying the Muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful sound in the world?

89 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 1:59:42pm

re: #88 soxfan4life

And wasn't it BHO himself who was quoted as saying the Muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful sound in the world?

It sounds like a cat in heat to me

90 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:00:19pm

re: #89 Desert Dog

It sounds like a cat in heat to me

I'll be fine if I never hear it again myself.

91 davinvalkri  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:00:35pm

How does that Team America World Police act go again?
"Let the inspectors in, or else..."
"Or else what?"
"We will be very angry with you, and we will write you a strongly worded letter..."
"Ok, but first move to your left."
Shark pit!

92 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:00:39pm

re: #86 BryanS
I am thinking the latter, but that is just my faith ( or rather the lack of it) in this administration...

93 ornery elephant  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:01:01pm

re: #88 soxfan4life

And wasn't it BHO himself who was quoted as saying the Muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful sound in the world?

If you had to listen to Michelle non-stop 24/7...you'd probably think the call was a beautiful sound too!

94 Steve  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:01:11pm

re: #89 Desert Dog

It sounds like a cat in heat to me

That good! Wow!

95 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:01:29pm

Lawrence of Arabia is on TMC right now. lol.

96 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:01:56pm

re: #93 ornery elephant

If you had to listen to Michelle non-stop 24/7...you'd probably think the call was a beautiful sound too!


And with those big ass ears of his it must be horrible.

97 jcm  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:02:00pm

re: #75 brookly red

uhmmm, dosen't this kind of "policy statement" usually come from the Sec. of State and not the VP?

Doesn't matter it comes from the administration. The Mad Mullahs and the world will read it as policy.

Obama / Biden need to watch their mouths. Every public word is the word of the administration.

98 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:02:23pm

re: #94 Steveeither that or being neutered with out anesthetic

99 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:02:29pm

re: #95 vagabond trader

Lawrence of Arabia is on TMC right now. lol.

hahahahahahahahaha, he looks like such a sucker in that garb.

100 Olderthandirt  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:02:35pm

Wasn't Biden's speech used as a basis to write the script for that excellent flip "Shoot'em Up?"

101 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:03:00pm

Here is a very pertinent Book Review on Stephen Covey's latest book -

The Speed of Trust

The big idea is simply this: Low trust is a tax. High trust is a dividend. It's true in a relationship. It's true on a team. It's true with a client or customer. It's true with every kind of stakeholder.

When trust is low, you pay a “tax” – because everything requires more time to accomplish and everything costs you more. When trust is high, you receive a “dividend” – because you're able to get things done faster and at a lower cost.

This dividend is real. It's not just a feel-good factor. It's an actual economic dividend. And the data on it are overwhelming.

For example, a Watson Wyatt study showed that high-trust organizations outperformed low-trust organizations by 286% – that's nearly three times – in total return to shareholders.

More.....

Stephen Covey was Mr. DT's orgnizational design professor in college.

102 jcbunga  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:03:19pm

Who let this guy off leash?

103 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:03:47pm

re: #79 Throbert McGee

Somehow, I don't think the White House will be too happy with the AP for using the term "pre-emptive" here.

Throbert, 'pre-emptive' in this case means actively engaging seeking-out the bottom of ant holes regardless of depth.

---the new code.

104 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:03:50pm

re: #97 jcm

Doesn't matter it comes from the administration. The Mad Mullahs and the world will read it as policy.

Obama / Biden need to watch their mouths. Every public word is the word of the administration.


Wasn't Biden chosen because he had so much foreign experience and respect? Just another reminder of why we should hate lefties.

105 ornery elephant  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:04:47pm

re: #96 soxfan4life

LMAOOOO !

106 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:04:49pm

re: #99 nyc redneck

Wonder if The Obama will go all native when he addresses the yet to be named Muslim nation.

107 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:05:01pm

re: #93 ornery elephant

If you had to listen to Michelle non-stop 24/7...you'd probably think the call was a beautiful sound too!

OE! - Don't forget that both Bill and now Obama are "owls" according to the press. Working late into the night with exhausted aids, "rapping" about policies.

George Bush was an early to bed man. The press ignores the obvious.

108 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:05:02pm

Breaking clothing and accessory color news:

Potus emerged from the White House at 3:50 on an unseasonably mild winter afternoon wearing a lightweight black jacket and slacks.

He was joined by Flotus, in matching royal blue jeans and top, his two daughters, a friend of Sasha, and his mother in law, Marian robinson.

Sasha and her unidentified friend covered their ears as they approached the helo.

Potus waved to the assembled group of reporters and photogs as he walked passed them and again as he boarded Marine One en route to Camp David.

Military and Secret Service followed the extended first family, carrying bags and at least one lavender backpack. (3:52 p.m.)


[Link: www.politico.com...]

109 jcbunga  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:05:19pm

re: #95 vagabond trader

Lawrence of Arabia is on TMC right now. lol.

"What's your name, numb nuts?"
"Sir, Lawrence, Sir"
"Lawrence? Lawrence of what, Arabia? That sounds like royalty..."

110 notutopia  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:05:30pm

Charles, Those carrots are the perfect stick for a jackass like Ahmadinnerjack. LoL !
Doesn't look like the foreign policy options to Iran is hopey changing that much and any different than the Bush Administration's.
Except, the carrot offer and the proverbial, conciliatory offering of "an open hand ".
This is going to be very interesting to watch unfold.

111 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:05:55pm

re: #107 DistantThunder

OE! - Don't forget that both Bill and now Obama are "owls" according to the press. Working late into the night with exhausted aids aides, "rapping" about policies.

George Bush was an early to bed man. The press ignores the obvious.

112 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:06:30pm

re: #104 soxfan4life

Wasn't Biden chosen because he had so much foreign experience and respect? Just another reminder of why we should hate lefties.

Well, he is the most qualified VP.....EVER....just ask him

113 ornery elephant  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:06:44pm

re: #107 DistantThunder

Touche' DT !

114 jcbunga  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:07:23pm

re: #107 DistantThunder

OE! - Don't forget that both Bill and now Obama are "owls" according to the press. Working late into the night with exhausted aids, "rapping" about policies.

George Bush was an early to bed man. The press ignores the obvious.

That, or they're Day Walkers...able to move by day opr night...in search of...victims.

115 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:07:25pm

re: #112 Desert Dog

Well, he is the most qualified VP.....EVER....just ask him


Except for Hillary, remeber he said she was more qualified than him.

116 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:07:28pm

re: #110 notutopia

Charles, Those carrots are the perfect stick for a jackass like Ahmadinnerjack. LoL !
Doesn't look like the foreign policy options to Iran is hopey changing that much and any different than the Bush Administration's.
Except, the carrot offer and the proverbial, conciliatory offering of "an open hand ".
This is going to be very interesting to watch unfold.

I read on a middle east experts site that the ME leaders HATE the carrot and stick metaphor because it insinuates that they are beasts of burden like donkeys.

117 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:07:30pm

re: #95 vagabond trader

Lawrence of Arabia is on TMC right now. lol.

Tora! Tora! Tora! Was just before that - one of my favorite flicks.

"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."

~ Yamamoto

118 irongrampa  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:07:53pm

re: #108 jaunte

I want to see some footage of this buttbag descending the ramp off Marine 1, to see if he deigns to acknowledge the Marine at the foot.

119 jcbunga  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:08:58pm

re: #117 Miss Trixie

Tora! Tora! Tora! Was just before that - one of my favorite flicks.

"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."

~ Yamamoto

Yamamoto was very wise. Up to and including the moment we shot him down.

120 notutopia  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:09:02pm

re: #116 DistantThunder

I read on a middle east experts site that the ME leaders HATE the carrot and stick metaphor because it insinuates that they are beasts of burden like donkeys.

I read the same thing. LMAO! The carrot picture really is the perfect fodder!

121 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #117 Miss Trixie

Richard III, and Henry V on Tuesday. Now is the winter of our discontent.....

122 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:09:58pm

re: #82 Desert Dog

Any treaty or agreement with the current leadership in Teheran is not worth a thing. They are liars and will say whatever it takes to advance their own goals. If it suites them to negotiate, they will, but it will be nothing but a hudna if anything at all comes from it.....they state their ultimate goal at the end of every Friday prayer: Death to America AND Israel. I think that is pretty clear to me. I believe them when they say that.

Well hmmmm, maybe if we declare that, that is "hate speech" & point out the fact that nuclear detonations in urban areas would disproportionately affect women, children, minorities, politically protected groups & several species of endangered wild life and... oh never mind, they ain't gonna do squat.

123 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:10:27pm

re: #106 vagabond trader

Wonder if The Obama will go all native when he addresses the yet to be named Muslim nation.

i bet he sure wants to. wrapped up in smelly scraps and screaming allah ackbar.
he did say if and ill wind blows he will side w/ the moslems.

124 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:10:41pm

re: #122 brookly red

Well hmmmm, maybe if we declare that, that is "hate speech" & point out the fact that nuclear detonations in urban areas would disproportionately affect women, children, minorities, politically protected groups & several species of endangered wild life and... oh never mind, they ain't gonna do squat.

We're playing checkers, they're playing chess, and have us in check.

125 dentate  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:11:04pm

re: #10 irongrampa

So, the lobotomy WASN'T successful, after all?

1) Even a patient with a prefrontal lobotomy can read aloud from a teleprompter

2) If these were indeed his own thoughts, who's to say this is what he was supposed to say? For all we know, OB told him to talk about extended hands and unclenched fists, and to keep to himself the ongoing Bush doctine-ish stuff, but he was unable to suppress it

3) I sincerely hope Sanjay Gupta gets the surgeon general thing. He is a neurosurgeon. Were the worst to happen, he would at least be able to credibly challenge Biden's judgment on a purely medical basis (Warning: subarachnoid hemorrhage and multiple craniotomies may be hazardous to your performance as potential commander in chief...)

126 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:11:34pm

re: #115 soxfan4life

Except for Hillary, remeber he said she was more qualified than him.

It took a while, but the Dems have given us their version of Dan Quayle. Some think Al Gore was already the answer to that, but Algore is in a completely new and different category.

127 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:12:16pm

re: #125 dentate

1) Even a patient with a prefrontal lobotomy can read aloud from a teleprompter

2) If these were indeed his own thoughts, who's to say this is what he was supposed to say? For all we know, OB told him to talk about extended hands and unclenched fists, and to keep to himself the ongoing Bush doctine-ish stuff, but he was unable to suppress it

3) I sincerely hope Sanjay Gupta gets the surgeon general thing. He is a neurosurgeon. Were the worst to happen, he would at least be able to credibly challenge Biden's judgment on a purely medical basis (Warning: subarachnoid hemorrhage and multiple craniotomies may be hazardous to your performance as potential commander in chief...)

Can you imagine if this were a Republican with brain function issues spouting off?

128 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:12:36pm

re: #124 DistantThunder

We're playing checkers, they're playing chess, and have us in check.

So whaaaaa, kick over the table?

129 Steve  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:12:58pm

Can we stand some humor today?

Best sketch ever.

130 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:13:13pm

re: #126 Desert Dog

It took a while, but the Dems have given us their version of Dan Quayle. Some think Al Gore was already the answer to that, but Algore is in a completely new and different category.

I can hear it now, "Al Gore was a friend of mine, and you are no Al Gore", and say it like it's a bad thing.

131 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:13:16pm

I'd like to call everyone's attention to this lordly bit of ruling class arrogance from Biden's speech:

"And we are not unmindful in the United States how difficult it is to communicate these notions to our public who don't want to hear much of what needs to be said."

Asshole.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

132 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:13:38pm
133 irongrampa  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:13:38pm

Wonder if Biden's problems stem from a misplaced hair plug?

134 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:14:04pm

re: #128 brookly red

So whaaaaa, kick over the table?

it really is just that easy.
if we had a pres. who cared abt. his country and had a backbone.

135 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:14:19pm

Is Mandy on today?

136 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:14:39pm

re: #122 brookly red

Well hmmmm, maybe if we declare that, that is "hate speech" & point out the fact that nuclear detonations in urban areas would disproportionately affect women, children, minorities, politically protected groups & several species of endangered wild life and... oh never mind, they ain't gonna do squat.

It would also kill all of the snout-nosed red bellied northern Moot Fish. They are endangered, as you all know. So, let's stop this nonsense or this noble animal, known to inhabit mudflats and bottom feed, will vanish from the face of the earth. Oh yea, a millions of people might die too...but that is secondary!

/Sierra Club off

137 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:14:48pm

re: #133 irongrampa

Wonder if Biden's problems stem from a misplaced hair plug?

Perhaps the one left in his colon after removing his head?

138 notutopia  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:14:52pm

re: #125 dentate

(Warning: subarachnoid hemorrhage and multiple craniotomies may be hazardous to your performance as potential commander in chief...)


This is accurate and true. Ruptured cerebral aneurysms
cause tissue damage. Loss of brain tissue, and hypoxia,
loss of some function.

139 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:15:06pm
140 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:15:26pm

re: #128 brookly red

So whaaaaa, kick over the table?

Speaking of kicking....we had the pleasure of hosting one of the seals who was part of the rescue and retrieval mission in Lone Survivor. Very, very interesting - and hell is too good for the Taliban.

141 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:16:25pm

re: #131 jaunte

I'd like to call everyone's attention to this lordly bit of ruling class arrogance from Biden's speech:

"And we are not unmindful in the United States how difficult it is to communicate these notions to our public who don't want to hear much of what needs to be said."

Asshole.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Let me paraphrase Pres. Bush: "You're going to be hearing from alot of us very soon."

142 dentate  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:16:39pm

re: #127 DistantThunder

Can you imagine if this were a Republican with brain function issues spouting off?

I'd have been satisfied with an MRI, an MRI report, or a neuropsychological test showing that he is within normal range. Have you ever heard ANYTHING about his medical condition, or any mention of it? I happened to know of his history through a friend who was on the surgical team. Otherwise I would not have known of it. Contrast that to Dick Cheney, who made the front page every time his heart skipped a beat, or John McCain, who got endless grief over a scar on his cheek about which there was reams of information...

143 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:16:42pm

re: #131 jaunte

Such contempt for the American people and libs scarf it down like the best meal they've ever been fed.

144 lincolntf  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:16:54pm

Are Obama and his fan club really so fucking stupid that they don't realize that these farcical semi-exchanges between the United States and Iran are exactly what it's their job to avoid?
Trickling out these slight alterations (read: backpedaling on major matters of principle) regarding our position on Iranian nukes, the existence of Israel, Iranian regional domination, etc. invites our enemies to declare that we already know we're wrong, we just haven't totally admitted it yet.

145 ornery elephant  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:16:54pm

re: #133 irongrampa

Wonder if Biden's problems stem from a misplaced hair plug?

maybe they got em reversed and their are growing INTO his head and not out of it!

146 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:17:12pm

re: #119 jcbunga

Yamamoto was very wise. Up to and including the moment we shot him down.

Indeed.

*guffaw*

Incidently, I want to see if there's a book or books that completely outline WWII from the beginning to the end. Correct historically, militarily with all the strategies, either successful or not and told in such a way that is riveting. So far - no luck. There always seems to be a flavor of bias in the ones I've seen at the library.

Any suggestions, lizards?

vagabond

Richard III, and Henry V on Tuesday. Now is the winter of our discontent.....

147 Desert Dog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:17:32pm

re: #145 ornery elephant

maybe they got em reversed and their are growing INTO his head and not out of it!

He needs a "haircut" then!

148 Steve  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:17:48pm

re: #145 ornery elephant

maybe they got em reversed and their are growing INTO his head and not out of it!

Cannot grow in something that does not exist.

149 dentate  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:18:47pm

re: #138 notutopia

(Warning: subarachnoid hemorrhage and multiple craniotomies may be hazardous to your performance as potential commander in chief...)

This is accurate and true. Ruptured cerebral aneurysms
cause tissue damage. Loss of brain tissue, and hypoxia,
loss of some function.

I keep pointing this out. No one listens. It was not just the aneurysm, but TWO craniotomies to repair it, with 1970's technology. The 7 month recovery time speaks for itself, to anyone at all knowledgeable about these things.

The crickets keep chirping, though...

150 Shug  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:18:55pm

No terrorist attacks on American soil for 8 years is sooo last decade. So BushCo.

really, we need Change

/

151 Vinnie  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:19:17pm

OT:

I'd like to thank everyone who clicked and/or updinged my link to the post by the father of the murdered USS Cole sailor. Thank you.

And Gary appreciates your support.

152 Sharmuta  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:19:43pm

re: #131 jaunte

"And we are not unmindful in the United States how difficult it is to communicate these notions to our public who don't want to hear much of what needs to be said."

Well- I'd say that's true of the average 0bama voter.

153 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:19:47pm

re: #143 vagabond trader

re: #141 DistantThunder

Biden is sucking up to the European leaders, letting them know he's far above the hoi-polloi here, speaking to them in a language they understand.
It's a shameful, weak display.

154 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:19:57pm

re: #145 ornery elephant

maybe they got em reversed and their are growing INTO his head and not out of it!

A possible Botox side-effect.

155 lincolntf  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:20:24pm

re: #146 Miss Trixie

My grandfather had the complete set of Time/Life books on WWII.
It took up a bookshelf or two, but I can't imagine that it missed much.

These weren't the skinny little books you see advertised sometimes, it was like a set of encyclopedias.

156 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:20:37pm

re: #129 Steve

Can we stand some humor today?

Best sketch ever.

LOL! Personally, I adore Eddie Izzard. This here's one of my favorites:

Youtube Video
157 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:21:09pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

Yes, but I think our idea of 'what needs to be said' is pretty different from Biden's.

158 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:21:19pm

re: #153 jaunte

re: #141 DistantThunder

Biden is sucking up to the European leaders, letting them know he's far above the hoi-polloi here, speaking to them in a language they understand.
It's a shameful, weak display.

You would expect anything else from this administration?

159 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:21:33pm

The fist and the stick.

160 Wishing  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:21:47pm

re: #148 Steve

Cannot grow in something that does not exist.

Vacuums don't support life.

161 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:21:51pm

vagabond

Whoopsie! My comment to you was somehow omitted and now I can't remember what I wanted to say.

Meh.

New avatar, BTW.

162 Sharmuta  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:22:26pm

re: #157 jaunte

Yes, but I think our idea of 'what needs to be said' is pretty different from Biden's.

High five that, yo.

163 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:22:39pm

ot: Stimulus fraud update: only 37% of the American people support this bill

164 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:22:58pm

re: #158 soxfan4life

Yes, it's predictable, but every little bit of nastiness from those people provides motivation.

165 irongrampa  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:23:19pm

Later, good people-time to go abuse the grandkids.

166 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:23:34pm

re: #155 lincolntf

My grandfather had the complete set of Time/Life books on WWII.
It took up a bookshelf or two, but I can't imagine that it missed much.

These weren't the skinny little books you see advertised sometimes, it was like a set of encyclopedias.

Thanks - I wonder if the library has those. I think I'll check it out on Monday lunchtime as I wander over.

167 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:23:35pm

re: #153 jaunte

Reminds me of idiot librals who travel in Europe and tell everyone they are Canadian or hate Bush.Coming from the VP it is damn near traitorous.

168 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:24:09pm

OT: As many of you here know I'm not the biggest Palin fan and I suspect she's not very intellectual. This seems to be a bit much.....
Sarah Palin: What I've Learned

If I were giving advice to myself back on the day my candidacy was announced, I'd say, Tell the campaign that you'll be callin' some of the shots. Don't just assume that they know you well enough to make all your decisions for ya. Let them know that you're the CEO of a state, you're forty-four years old, you've got a lot of great life experience that can be put to good use as a candidate.

Maybe it's like when someone says, "I love you, you're perfect the way y'are, now let me change you." And I'm sure Senator McCain had to struggle with some of that, maybe early on in his campaign.


The article reads like it was written by an 8th grader. Impossible sentence strutres, bad grammar, nonexistent words. This has to be a smear.

169 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:24:20pm

re: #163 FrogMarch

ot: Stimulus fraud update: only 37% of the American people support this bill

But what did the 54% that voted for Obama expect? How stupid were/are these people? My fellow Americans?

170 Maximu§  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:24:42pm

I have a good friend from Minnesota, a smart kid about half my age and over a beer he told me the Democrats would be in power soon (he was right) and he also told me they would fight and win the WOT as "only a Democrat can"....course I laughed, but inside it got me to thinking.

Maybe they will unleash the firepower to finish this thing off.

171 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:25:14pm

re: #130 soxfan4life

I am not sure that "being a friend of Al Gore" is something anyone with half a brain would claim....

172 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:26:20pm

It seems our administration isn't even as competent as Neville Chamberlain. Even he was able to leave Munich with a document for "peace in our time."

173 Sharmuta  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:26:35pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

From the link:

I'd been a fan of SNL for decades, and I have a lot of respect for the present talent. I knew it would be a good thing to be a part of. And also, of course, to let Americans know that I can laugh at myself, too.

That right there puts up a red flag. There is no current talent at SNL.

174 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:26:49pm

re: #171 Marvo76

I am not sure that "being a friend of Al Gore" is something anyone with half a brain would claim....

So that would not be a disqualifier for most of our elected leaders.

175 Achilles Tang  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:26:53pm

I want a picture of a stick.

176 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:27:06pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

So, if it's true, who cares? You'd rather listen to BS intellectual drivel coming from the crooked Ivy Leaguers who now own DC?

bleh

177 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:27:36pm

re: #171 Marvo76

I am not sure that "being a friend of Al Gore" is something anyone with half a brain would claim....

might look good on a loan application...

178 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:28:01pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

OT: As many of you here know I'm not the biggest Palin fan and I suspect she's not very intellectual. This seems to be a bit much.....
Sarah Palin: What I've Learned

The article reads like it was written by an 8th grader. Impossible sentence strutres, bad grammar, nonexistent words. This has to be a smear.

she was very well spoken at all her rallies, off prompter.
so much better than the uh-uh fool and the doddering doofus.

179 Bloodnok  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:28:05pm

re: #78 nyc redneck

O does not have a stick,
except the one he is using, exclusively, on his own country.

'cept the stick up his ass.

180 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:28:25pm

BBIAB - a nice, big fat T-bone's calling my name. :D

It's enough for three meals ferpetesake!

181 wiffersnapper  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:28:33pm

So now Biden's going against the campaign promise of no more war. CHANGE!

182 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:29:08pm

re: #175 Naso Tang

Here's a pic of a stick:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

183 soxfan4life  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:29:35pm

re: #179 Bloodnok

'cept the stick up his ass.

What happened to the ugly stick used on Michelle?

184 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:29:37pm

Navy Missile Cruiser Runs Aground Near Honolulu

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The 9,600-ton ship, while carrying guests that included a rear admiral, ran aground Thursday night on a sandy, rocky bottom.

Somebody may be retiring soon or moving to Diego Garcia?

185 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:29:41pm

re: #144 lincolntf

Are Obama and his fan club really so fucking stupid that they don't realize that these farcical semi-exchanges between the United States and Iran are exactly what it's their job to avoid?
Trickling out these slight alterations (read: backpedaling on major matters of principle) regarding our position on Iranian nukes, the existence of Israel, Iranian regional domination, etc. invites our enemies to declare that we already know we're wrong, we just haven't totally admitted it yet.

It's amateur hour Day 20

186 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:29:58pm

re: #146 Miss Trixie

each side seems to flavor their bias, I know not much is said in Japan about the Rape of Nanking, but it is one subject that needs to be seen/read

187 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:31:01pm

re: #184 Nevergiveup

Now that would be an embarrassing moment.

188 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:31:11pm

re: #184 Nevergiveup

As we speak is my guess.

189 Aviator  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:32:50pm

re: #184 Nevergiveup

Navy Missile Cruiser Runs Aground Near Honolulu

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The 9,600-ton ship, while carrying guests that included a rear admiral, ran aground Thursday night on a sandy, rocky bottom.

Somebody may be retiring soon or moving to Diego Garcia?

Captain's career over.

190 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:32:57pm
191 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:33:13pm

re: #176 vagabond trader

If she's borderline illiterate you should care. I don't think she's that simple, the editors were having some fun.

192 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:33:24pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

OT: As many of you here know I'm not the biggest Palin fan and I suspect she's not very intellectual. This seems to be a bit much.....
Sarah Palin: What I've Learned

The article reads like it was written by an 8th grader. Impossible sentence strutres, bad grammar, nonexistent words. This has to be a smear.

i don't think we have seen anything O has written.
no law review article, no academic papers, no speeches.
nothing except that absurd attempt at poetry, something abt. apes eating figs.
juvenile, self conscious, embarrassingly bad.

193 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:33:47pm

re: #170 Maximu§

That is the only "hope" in this administraition that I have...

194 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:33:52pm

Elites value book learning way above practical hands on learning. In the newer book Boys Adrift, Dr Sax talks about the fact that boys' IQ is actually gone down in the last 30 years and he believes it has to do with a lack of hands on learning.

A Stanford Medical School professor told him that he regularly gets students who have a hard time understand physiological processes, like the heart as a pump, because they have never dealt with a real pump. Most of their learning has been book or computer learning - and it's created a huge deficit in comprehension.

195 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:34:23pm

re: #189 Aviator

Captain's career over.

not so fast... cabinet posts are still open.

196 Killian Bundy  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:34:55pm

re: #184 Nevergiveup

Navy Missile Cruiser Runs Aground Near Honolulu

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The 9,600-ton ship, while carrying guests that included a rear admiral, ran aground Thursday night on a sandy, rocky bottom.

Somebody may be retiring soon or moving to Diego Garcia?

Navy fails to free warship grounded at Hawaii

She must have been moving at speed to get that stuck.

/sucks to be Captain John Carroll right about now

197 abaleh  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:35:09pm

India in response to Pakistan's release of A.Q. Khan:

India wants Pakistan declared terror state

198 Aviator  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:35:13pm

re: #195 brookly red

not so fast... cabinet posts are still open.

Nah, I'll bet the Captain paid his taxes.

199 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:35:28pm

re: #192 nyc redneck

He's probably ok. You really can't get through law school without being a decent writer.

200 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:35:31pm

re: #197 abaleh

India in response to Pakistan's release of A.Q. Khan:

India wants Pakistan declared terror state

Ya think?

201 lostlakehiker  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:36:13pm

re: #37 Desert Dog

Why do I have a this bad feeling that we will be watching this video in a year or so when the mullahs atomic wet dreams come true?


Unlikely. Still, civil defense begins with people knowing the rudiments of survival. If the government cannot do anything effective about Katrina until some time later, imagine how much on our own those of us who are outside the certain-death radius, but in harm's way, will be for the next 48 hours to a week.

Iran is unlikely to attack the U.S. because to do so would put the leadership squarely inside the certain-death radius. Even if we would spare the bulk of the civilian population. My theory is that without a single unchallengeable madman at the top, there just won't be enough collective insanity at the helm of an ancient nation to permit suicidal decisions. Iran's leadership is not vested in any one man.

202 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:36:51pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

He's probably ok. You really can't get through law school without being a decent writer.

great, let's see one thing. if he was a decent writer we would see it.
something would be out there.

203 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:36:55pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

He's probably ok. You really can't get through law school without being a decent writer.

And people used to say you can't get thru the Senate without doing something or anything?

204 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:37:18pm

re: #192 nyc redneck

Don't forget the 2 absurd autobiographies, which I call Liberal Navel Gazing, pts 1 and 2.

205 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:37:57pm

Anybody want to guess what the Red Sox fans throw out onto the field the first time A-Rod comes up to bat in Fenway?

206 Maximu§  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:38:08pm

re: #189 Aviator

Captain's career over.

Yeah, no matter if he was on the bridge or not, the crew's failure is his failure and I bet theres some damage.

207 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:38:26pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

I don't need advice on what or whom I should care about. Thanks.

208 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:38:34pm
209 BruxellesBlog  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:38:37pm

Ah yes, diplomacy with Iran. Diplomacy in this case needs to be a carrier group, 120,000 troops, and continued $30 a barrel oil.

Instead, we will give them a warm fluffy bunny, some flowers, and a leftist president Carter retread with a 'kick me' sign on his ass.

210 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:38:41pm
“We will draw upon all the elements of our power — military and diplomatic, intelligence and law enforcement, economic and cultural — to stop crises from occurring before they are in front of us,”

Rhetorical gymnastics signifying nothing.

211 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:39:06pm

re: #205 Nevergiveup

Anybody want to guess what the Red Sox fans throw out onto the field the first time A-Rod comes up to bat in Fenway?

lil' blue books?

212 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:39:08pm

re: #184 Nevergiveup

Somebody may be retiring soon or moving to Diego Garcia?

Don't you know that's the truth - an immediate promotion to Flag Ground-Pounder.

213 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:39:33pm

re: #169 Nevergiveup

But what did the 54% that voted for Obama expect? How stupid were/are these people? My fellow Americans?

drunk on hope and change?

214 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:39:43pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

He's probably ok. You really can't get through law school without being a decent writer.

Bu I think that the quality of the thoughts should count.

Who is smarter: Sarah Palin who understand the importance of energy independence OR Nancy Pelosi who is corrupt, and really out to lunch?

Nancy admitted to a Woman's Magazine that her husband shops for her clothes. "He likes a certain look."

215 Aviator  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:39:57pm

re: #206 Maximu§

Yeah, no matter if he was on the bridge or not, the crew's failure is his failure and I bet theres some damage.

A grounding is almost always a career ender.

216 jaunte  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:40:00pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

One aspect of that article that's unusual is that print interviews don't usually attempt to reproduce the subject's accent or dialect, droppin' g's and spelling ya for you. That's an editorial choice that has an effect.
Most politicians would look bad with their verbal errors spelled out in print.

217 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:41:24pm

re: #214 DistantThunder

Speaking of borderline illiterate, Nan actually believes that natural gas is not a fossil fuel.

218 Luigi  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:42:21pm

These people are running the same foreign policy as if Jeremiah Wright were elected president.

Look at the siutuation that is developing...

[Link: www.ft.com...]

The double-act of Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin has come up with a series of security initiatives that seem designed to provoke, or at least irritate, the new administration in Washington. Without even waiting to hear how President Barack Obama intends to conduct his relations with Moscow – something that Joe Biden, his vice-president, may well address on Saturday at the annual Munich Security Conference – the Russian leaders have thrown down the gauntlet.

First, they leaked details of naval and air bases to be established on the shores of the Black Sea in the breakaway Georgian province of Abkhazia, whose independence is recognised by Moscow alone. Then they signed an air defence treaty with the former Soviet republic of Belarus, apparently paving the way for an anti-missile defence system to counter one planned by the previous US administration across the border in Poland. Moscow appears to have persuaded the Central Asian republic of Kyrgyzstan to oust the US from its air base at Manas, outside Bishkek, in exchange for $2bn (€1.6bn, £1.4bn) in loans, and $150m in financial aid.

Russia and the former Soviet republics of Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan – the so-called Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) – have agreed to form a “rapid reaction force” which is intended to be just as good as the equivalent force operated by the Nato alliance, according to President Medvedev.

And by the way, many of these former Soviet "republics" are Muslim states. Obama comes in and with grand fanfare opens his hand to Muslims. They react by running away to pair up with Putin's Russia.

* * * * *

I'm just going to throw this out there. The US media never vetted Obama. Not even a little. The little we know about him is dirty. I wonder what some foreign people may know about him that could be used to bend him towards their purposes.

219 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:42:40pm

re: #208 Iron Fist

I had a student once, who was a mathematics doctoral candidate. Much more educated and intelligent than me. When I went to teach her knife work, though, I had to teach her to cut with the edge and stick them with the pointy end. No shit. All I could figure was that in her whole life before this, she'd never thought of a knife as a weapon except perhaps in the most abstract of manner.

She tried to explain her doctoral thesis to me, and I had about the same reaction as she had had with the knife. I know there was something there, but I'm damned if I know what it is.

Mr DT's associate taught knife-fighting to Benecio del Toro in The Hunted.

220 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:43:07pm

re: #217 vagabond trader

Speaking of borderline illiterate, Nan actually believes that natural gas is not a fossil fuel.

yeah, I remember that one.....

221 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:43:11pm

re: #215 Aviator

A grounding is almost always a career ender.

Makes me happy I'm only a lowly Navy Dentist.

222 Colonel Panik  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:43:32pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Speaking of Palin: The Meaning of Sarah Palin

This is an excellent read, for Palin supporters and detractors alike (I'm talking logical detrators here, not PDS sufferers.)

Before her elevation, Palin had not been known as a combatant in the cultural battles of recent years. She had been serving as the popular chief executive of a geographically vast, sparsely populated, and economically vital state. She held conventionally conservative Republican views—pro-gun, anti-tax, and pro-life. She had risen to prominence by taking on Alaska’s corrupt and profligate Republican establishment. In running for and winning the governorship in 2006, she had promised (and had begun to deliver) reforms of the state’s relationship with Washington and with the oil companies that dominated its economy.

...

...Palin’s social conservatism had never been the core of her political identity in Alaska. She always expressed general support for traditionalist views in interviews and debates, and it was widely known that she had also chosen to proceed with her fifth pregnancy after discovering the child had Down syndrome—a discovery that in about nine of ten cases leads parents to opt for abortion. But Palin never went out of her way to raise abortion or other social or cultural issues, and in her first two years as governor had not sought to change state policies in these areas. She was a good-government reformer with social conservative leanings, not the other way around...

...To be sure, some criticisms of Palin were entirely appropriate. She had no experience in foreign or defense policy and very little expertise in or command of either. In a time of war, with a seventy-two-year-old presidential candidate who had already survived one bout with cancer, this was a cause for very real concern. And Palin did perform dreadfully in some early interviews. Some of her more level-headed critics did make their case on these grounds. But the more common visceral hostility toward her seemed to have little to do with these objections. Rather, the entire episode had the feel of a kind of manic outburst; it was triggered by a false understanding of who Palin was, and once it began, there was no stopping or controlling it.

The reaction to Palin revealed a deep and intense cultural paranoia on the Left: an inclination to see retrograde reaction around every corner, and to respond to it with vile anger. A confident, happy, and politically effective woman who was also a social conservative was evidently too much to bear. The response of liberal feminists was in this respect particularly telling, and especially unpleasant...

223 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:43:37pm

re: #216 jaunte

I'm pretty sure it's common practice to "clean up" responses in printed interviews. It's telling they chose not to do it with that interview.

224 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:43:57pm

re: #207 vagabond trader

Suit yerself.

225 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:44:05pm

re: #211 brookly red

lil' blue books?

The news broke today that he has been or had been taking steroids.

226 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:44:06pm

re: #217 vagabond trader

Speaking of borderline illiterate, Nan actually believes that natural gas is not a fossil fuel.

well, methane can be obtained from decomposing fecal matter...

227 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:44:09pm

re: #218 Luigi

These people are running the same foreign policy as if Jeremiah Wright were elected president.

Look at the siutuation that is developing...

[Link: www.ft.com...]

And by the way, many of these former Soviet "republics" are Muslim states. Obama comes in and with grand fanfare opens his hand to Muslims. They react by running away to pair up with Putin's Russia.

* * * * *

I'm just going to throw this out there. The US media never vetted Obama. Not even a little. The little we know about him is dirty. I wonder what some foreign people may know about him that could be used to bend him towards their purposes.

Obama will be Rick-rolled - don't make me post the link.

228 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:44:13pm

Good evening, Lizards.

229 lostlakehiker  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:44:27pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

OT: As many of you here know I'm not the biggest Palin fan and I suspect she's not very intellectual. This seems to be a bit much.....
Sarah Palin: What I've Learned

The article reads like it was written by an 8th grader. Impossible sentence strutres, bad grammar, nonexistent words. This has to be a smear.

It's not a smear. And it's probably authentic. You should go read Camille Paglia on Palin and intelligence. If a committed feminist leftist can see through the folksy and unpretentious manner of Palin to the sharp core of intelligence, you'll see it too when you take a second look. Palin is not one whit the intellectual. But she's bright, and she is far from ignorant.

Now Biden, by contrast, affects an intellectual pose. Yet he's not that bright, and he's surprisingly ignorant. Or take Pelosi. She's so innumerate that no warning flag goes up in her brain before these words come out of her mouth: "we're losing 500 million jobs a month."

230 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:44:31pm

re: #218 Luigi

Putin and Co. are "former" KGB. Way above The Obama paygrade.

231 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:46:14pm

re: #213 FrogMarch

drunk on hope and change?

and euphoria from the prospect of assuaging their own guilt by voting for a black candidate.
but they didn't even look deeper than the skin color. so irresponsible.
big craziness.

232 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:46:40pm
233 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:46:40pm

re: #225 Nevergiveup

The news broke today that he has been or had been taking steroids.

allegedly taking...

234 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:47:02pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

He's probably ok. You really can't get through law school without being a decent writer.

supposedly, he wrote his inaugural speech, and from all accounts, it was pedestrian, at best......

my guess is he's no better a writer than he is a thinker, since one reflects the other, and he comes across as a shallow thinker at best.

235 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:47:24pm

re: #233 brookly red

allegedly taking...

Positive drug tests

236 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:47:51pm

re: #206 Maximu§

Yeah, no matter if he was on the bridge or not, the crew's failure is his failure and I bet theres some damage.

I was on a med cruise one time on USS Inchon, on our way across, we did underway replenishment with the USS spiegle grove, they hit us 3 times before emergency break away, they lost an boat and anchor crane, we lost the rear aircraft elevator, we kept our Captain. Latter the same cruise the USS Austin LPD 4 hit a greek frieghter head on in the fog, lost 30 feet of the bow, had to go for repairs for a month or better. This time the Commadore of the task force (one star admiral) was relieved immediately, Not sure about the Captain of the Austin, but my guess is he got canned too. It could be that they hit a shoal that was unmarked, due to shifting sands, but I don't know the area so I can't comment. they also could have drifted or had an abnormally high tide when they went in. I am sure that if the Captain keeps his command, they will watch him like a hawk the rest of his career...

237 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:49:31pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

You would think after all the DI threads and the Molly Ivins books you would recognize quote mining when you saw it KT. This is the standard left tactic, they are Republican and therefor must be dum, dum, dum.

Here's a recent sample of Sarah's real writing.
[Link: govweb.state.ak.us...]

238 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:49:34pm

re: #222 Colonel Panik

Speaking of Palin: The Meaning of Sarah Palin

This is an excellent read, for Palin supporters and detractors alike (I'm talking logical detrators here, not PDS sufferers.)

I am reading a new book about the rise and fall of civilizations called The Lucifer Principle - and in it it describes the alpha female chimpanze, about to give birth, and her daughter, killing and eating the baby of a lower cast chimp female.

I think this is feral animal rage at a woman that liberals have been indoctrinated to believe is no where near their equal. Trig was confirmation for them of their certainty that she was 1) a threat, and 2) much lower caste, and 3) deserving of open hostility and warfare.

239 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:50:17pm

re: #217 vagabond trader

Uhm it is Methane and occurs on most planets in the solarsystem even without mocrobiological action, so there is a possiblity...

240 opinionated  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:50:43pm

Lets be honest. Or rather, lets listen as John Bolton is honest. Obama will continue the appeasing policies of Bush/Rice.

Sadly from my perspective, there will be a lot of continuity between the Obama and Bush administrations where Middle East policy is concerned - generally on Iran, and specifically on a range of other issues. That doesn't warm my heart. It shows that mistakes were being made, especially during the second term of the Bush administration, many of which were made at secretary Rice's behest.

I believe historians will judge that Rice was the dominant - in fact, nearly exclusive - voice advising the president on foreign policy in his second term.

It was a big disappointment to see the changes that were made in a variety of policy areas. It was one reason for my not seeking another appointment at the UN, and I thought it appropriate to leave in December 2006, because the administration had shifted on too many important foreign policy issues.

Advice to Israel: Go it alone.

But doesn't Israel rely on the US? Can Israel "go it alone," without American approval?

Well, it has done so in the past. For example, it undertook the very important operation, in September 2007, to destroy the North Korean nuclear reactor in Syria. That was done, if not over US opposition, certainly without US approval. Personally, I think that US policy was wrong. I think Israel's destroying of that nuclear facility was beneficial to international peace and security.

You're saying the US was actually against that operation?

Secretary of state Condoleezza Rice wanted very much to avoid that strike. In fact, when Israel came to the US and first proposed it in the spring of 2007, she urged that it be postponed indefinitely. The Israeli response was, "We'll postpone it, but not past the end of the summer." And that's exactly what happened.

[More] Interview:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

241 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:50:45pm

re: #229 lostlakehiker

It's not a smear. And it's probably authentic. You should go read Camille Paglia on Palin and intelligence. If a committed feminist leftist can see through the folksy and unpretentious manner of Palin to the sharp core of intelligence, you'll see it too when you take a second look. Palin is not one whit the intellectual. But she's bright, and she is far from ignorant.

Now Biden, by contrast, affects an intellectual pose. Yet he's not that bright, and he's surprisingly ignorant. Or take Pelosi. She's so innumerate that no warning flag goes up in her brain before these words come out of her mouth: "we're losing 500 million jobs a month."

Remember NRO counted 22 factual errors that Biden stated during the debate - yet they did not matter one whit to liberals - over and over I read that he "sounded" good.

242 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:54:09pm

re: #239 Marvo76

Of course, I'm sure that is what she was referring to.

sarc/

243 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:54:18pm

re: #235 Nevergiveup

Positive drug tests

don't look good, but still alleged...
I never understood why it is OK for a performer to use "enhancement" but not an athlete? (and please don't turn this into an implant thread)

244 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:54:52pm

re: #237 Thanos

You would think after all the DI threads and the Molly Ivins books you would recognize quote mining when you saw it KT. This is the standard left tactic, they are Republican and therefor must be dum, dum, dum.

Here's a recent sample of Sarah's real writing.
[Link: govweb.state.ak.us...]

Sarah dared mock the One - so she is hated by the left-- and the "she's dumb and faked her pregnancy" campaign against her continues.

245 Nevergiveup  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:54:55pm

re: #243 brookly red

don't look good, but still alleged...
I never understood why it is OK for a performer to use "enhancement" but not an athlete? (and please don't turn this into an implant thread)

You kinda lost me on that one?

246 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:55:17pm

re: #192 nyc redneck

i don't think we have seen anything O has written.
no law review article, no academic papers, no speeches.
nothing except that absurd attempt at poetry, something abt. apes eating figs.
juvenile, self conscious, embarrassingly bad.

Well, there's always the Pocket Obama!

247 vagabond trader  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:57:32pm

re: #246 reine.de.tout

Isn't that the sh*ts? Horrifying and amusing all in one lil book.

248 Catttt  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:57:36pm

re: #229 lostlakehiker

I love Camille Paglia's writing. She's very sharp and observant. I certainly don't always agree with her, but she never toes anyone's line, party or otherwise.

249 capitalist piglet  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 2:58:51pm

re: #241 DistantThunder

Remember NRO counted 22 factual errors that Biden stated during the debate - yet they did not matter one whit to liberals - over and over I read that he "sounded" good.

Liberals have sort of a floating opinion of their own. When Biden called Obama "clean" and "articulate", they swore off of him, and pronounced his political career DOA. He was called every name in the book. Obama picks Biden for VP, and they've been in love with him ever since - his numerous gaffes are completely overlooked.

Case in point:

Then,

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

and now.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

250 brookly red  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:00:19pm

re: #245 Nevergiveup

OK, why is it wrong for a ball player to juice, but not for any other profession to artificially enhance? (botox included)

251 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:00:44pm

re: #246 reine.de.tout

I checked out the link right down at the bottom was "books other folks purchased" and a little red book with the quotations from chaiman Mao was there.... Cooincidence? I DON'T THINK SO.....

252 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:02:02pm

re: #237 Thanos

That's more like it.

253 Tigger2005  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:02:56pm

The world hates the Jews, yet the world's only hope is Israel ... and if Israel saves the world's ass, the Jews will be hated even more for it.

254 Rexatosis  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:03:05pm

It would be nice if Obama and Biden had some clue how to conduct foreign policy. Basically asking a school yard bully to be nice after he has just punched you in the nose usually gets you another punch in the nose. They both should read a little Machiavelli ("Discourses on Livy" and "The Prince"), and Kissinger ("Diplomacy").

Re: #168 Killgore Trout

Most printed interviews clean up the language of the interviewee prior to publication of the interview. This is because spoken language is not the same as written language. Few people speak in grammatically correct English (or any other language). We use inflection, gestures, cadence, etc. to augment our verbal communication. It is obvious from the interview the editors (and possibly writer, but not necessarily) were trying to create a negative view of Palin. This is confirmed by the fact the editors left in the natural inflections of Palin's accent in the printed interview. It is SOP for editors to remove such inflections even if they are not going to clean up the syntax and grammatical errors natural to conversation. To leave in those inflections indicate the editors, at least, were out to "Get" Palin. It is also very unprofessional.

255 notutopia  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:10:24pm

re: #149 dentate

I keep pointing this out. No one listens. It was not just the aneurysm, but TWO craniotomies to repair it, with 1970's technology. The 7 month recovery time speaks for itself, to anyone at all knowledgeable about these things.

The crickets keep chirping, though...

The seven month recovery process was most likely for physical reconditioning d/t loss of motor functions.
Do you recall what lobe/s, vessels, it was that the aneurysm occurred? I curious what cranio nervous system branches were affected.

256 Maximu§  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:11:00pm

re: #236 Marvo76

I was on a med cruise one time on USS Inchon, on our way across, we did underway replenishment with the USS spiegle grove, they hit us 3 times before emergency break away, they lost an boat and anchor crane, we lost the rear aircraft elevator, we kept our Captain. Latter the same cruise the USS Austin LPD 4 hit a greek frieghter head on in the fog, lost 30 feet of the bow, had to go for repairs for a month or better. This time the Commadore of the task force (one star admiral) was relieved immediately, Not sure about the Captain of the Austin, but my guess is he got canned too. It could be that they hit a shoal that was unmarked, due to shifting sands, but I don't know the area so I can't comment. they also could have drifted or had an abnormally high tide when they went in. I am sure that if the Captain keeps his command, they will watch him like a hawk the rest of his career...

Captain John Carroll will be given a desk in Washington...his Dad would have to be an Admiral for him to continue as a warship commander (probably the best job in the Navy)...so I guess their waiting for high tide to pull that tub off the Coral reef?

257 Sunlight  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:11:14pm

re: #68 BryanS

We'll see if Netanyahu is elected in a few days...though him leaving Barak in the position of Defense Minister isn't the best of decisions in my mind. I doubt Isreal could pull off an operation on their own, but they've been known to pull rabbits out of hats in the past.

I actually think Barak is good at this military stuff. The military did a good job in Gaza. So if it is Netanyahu, if he wants one of the other former general types as Defense Minister, maybe he'd put Barak as Foreign Minister. Then they'd be all soldiered up, as they will need to be with Obama doing his thing.

258 Colonel Panik  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:12:13pm

re: #246 reine.de.tout

Well, there's always the Pocket Obama!

Red in the east rises the sun.
China America has brought forth a Mao Zedong Barack Obama.
He works for the people's welfare.
Hurrah, He is the people's great savior.
Chairman Mao Barack Obama loves the people,
He is our guide,
To build a new China America,
Hurrah, he leads us forward!
The Communist Democrat Party is like the sun,
Wherever it shines, it is bright.
Wherever there is a Communist Democrat Party,
Hurrah, there the people are liberated!

259 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:17:07pm

re: #256 Maximu§

Captain John Carroll will be given a desk in Washington...his Dad would have to be an Admiral for him to continue as a warship commander (probably the best job in the Navy)...so I guess their waiting for high tide to pull that tub off the Coral reef?

High tide, and pumping off of the fuel and water supplies to lighten the load. Hull damage might be just dents, but not sure if they would go back to dry docks or not...probably a job for the UDT divers who occasionally moonlight to less tedious jobs, to keep in training....

260 mojo9  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:33:40pm

oh.good grief. looking at all the other threads, we're all just screwed. time to stock up on ammo and other supplies. it's the end of the world as know it. ...... sorry to rip off REM' s song...............

261 jordash1212  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:38:21pm

Of course he's kidding. When have sanctions worked against autocratic governments?

262 alexknyc  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:58:06pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure it's common practice to "clean up" responses in printed interviews. It's telling they chose not to do it with that interview.

That is quite telling, but not about Palin.

263 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 4:03:09pm

this is a great interview wit hthe great John Bolton ...

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

264 David Simon  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 4:07:01pm
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told military commanders that instead of weakening Iran, sanctions by the US, the UN and others have forced it to become more self-reliant, leading to greater strides by Iranian scientists and to technological advancements unseen in the country’s history.

Interesting observation, coming from the leader of a socialist shit hole.

265 Achilles Tang  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 4:27:46pm

re: #190 Iron Fist

A stick. A big stick.

Iranian fauxtography?

266 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 4:29:05pm

re: #264 David Simon

yep, greater reliaince on NK and Russia but Hey, don't say that too loud, Allah might hear you..../////

267 Clutch  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 5:31:31pm

Carrots, I got ya' carrots right here...

268 notutopia  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 5:35:50pm

re: #267 Clutch

Carrots, I got ya' carrots right here...

Kinda reminds me of Dr. Strangelove.

269 tommygum  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 5:38:33pm

re: #236 Marvo76

Our unreps and refuellings ALWAYS went like buttah on the DD-715.

270 Deaconalso  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 5:48:51pm

"Jug Ears" is a f'n moron! I'm sure "I MA GETA JOB" is quaking in his sandals. Plugs Biden couldn't threaten a piss ant!

271 RightKlik  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 7:21:36pm

Obama/Biden will certainly make matters worse as it relates to dealings with Iran. The only question is how much worse will it get? Will it be along the lines of more hateful Irania rhetoric? Hostage taking? Nuclear holocaust? Anything is possible.

272 Clutch  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 7:30:37pm

re: #268 notutopia

Kinda reminds me of Dr. Strangelove.

That it do, but funnier and more tasty! and with a whole lot less fallout...

273 bellamags  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 7:31:01pm

re: #264 David Simon

Interesting observation, coming from the leader of a socialist shit hole.

LOL

274 UncleSam  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 8:17:09pm

We're so screwed.
We've got a weakling appeaser socialist as President and there's a maniacal lunatic who wants to bring about the Apocalypse as the President of Iran, soon to have nuclear weapons.
Our President thinks he can talk to that nutball and persuade him to be peaceful.
Fat chance.
Obama's deluded, irrational hopes will result in the deaths of millions.

275 Miss Molly  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 9:20:51pm

Shrug -- calling Biden "Bugs Bunny Biden" is totally unfair to Bugs Bunny. I love Bugs Bunny and he is way smarter than Biden will ever be.

276 Marvo76  Sat, Feb 7, 2009 11:37:33pm

re: #269 tommygum

bit easier to control a tin can than a flat bottom troop ship, next to a helo carrier... but Man I wasn't ready for another one to happen after being on one, it is kinda like an earthquake cept the whole thing rings like a gong, right thru your feet.

277 Marlin925  Sun, Feb 8, 2009 5:30:13am

"The double-act of Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin has come up with a series of security initiatives that seem designed to provoke, or at least irritate, the new administration in Washington. Without even waiting to hear how President Barack Obama intends to conduct his relations with Moscow – something that Joe Biden, his vice-president, may well address on Saturday at the annual Munich Security Conference – the Russian leaders have thrown down the gauntlet."

Doesn't suprise me in the least. The Donks were rabid supporters of our illegal war against Serbia. Hairplugs Biden jabbered about our Balkans intervention many times on the campaign. Bubba Clinton started many of the military initiatives, ie. NATO expansion, that have made the Russians feel we are surrounding them. The Russkis hate us and I don't blame them one bit. We have no respect for their sphere of influence.


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