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This [the intelligent design movement] isn’t really, and never has been, a debate about science, it’s about religion and philosophy.

— Phillip E. Johnson, father of “intelligent design”

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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:56:34am

Honcopalooza!

Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:56:36am

Ahh fresh air.

Wait, what does that say? Oh d*mn. I'm outta here. Later Lizards!

Dustyvet Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:56:38am

Fresh new thread...:)

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:56:38am

Ah, openness!

HelloDare Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:57:57am

There's nothing like that new thread smell.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:57:58am

Where is the proof from creationist (the ones that want creationism included in science classes), that the creator exists? We wouldn't want to teach something that has no basis in fact. Would we? I mean, truth and dealing with facts seems to be the creationist biggest complaint about evolution.

Let's get on this.

Racer X Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:58:01am

Bathtub Harbor

Sydney harbor filmed with a special focus, so everything looks smaller.

Dustyvet Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:58:31am

re: #4 Ward Cleaver

Ah, openness!

Oh, give me land, lots of land under starry skies above,
Don't fence me in.
Let me ride through the wide open country that I love,
Don't fence me in.
Let me be by myself in the evenin' breeze,
And listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees,
Send me off forever but I ask you please,
Don't fence me in.

BLBfootballs Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:58:57am

This [the intelligent design movement] isn’t really, and never has been, a debate about science, it’s about religion and philosophy.
— Phillip E. Johnson, father of “intelligent design”

And that's why it belongs in philosophy class, not science. ID is an existential conclusion.

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:59:07am

Anybody in the market for the Sea Shadow?

Kragar Tue, Feb 24, 2009 10:59:29am

Ready for some Hopium?

HR40: Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

2009-2010: To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

Status: Introduced Jan 6, 2009
Referred to Committee

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:00:14am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ready for some Hopium?

HR40: Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

yeah but he does this every term.

Desert Dog Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:00:20am

re: #7 Racer X

Bathtub Harbor

Sydney harbor filmed with a special focus, so everything looks smaller.

Bathtub Gin

Dustyvet Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:01:35am

re: #10 Ward Cleaver

Anybody in the market for the Sea Shadow?

Brake the windows out, then sink it...and you'll have a nice place for the sea kittens to live...

Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:01:54am

Wingnuts transform into moonbats (example #287).....
Super: Obama birth-certificate Trutherism comes to Iraq
Check out how many "conservatives" in the comments cheer on a soldier who refuses to do his duty. Disgraceful.

Desert Dog Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:02:28am

re: #12 Nevergiveup

yeah but he does this every term.

yes, but this time, there is actually a chance it will get out of a committee and voted on....If the Dems take this on, they will do more harm to the civil right movement than the KKK ever did. It will tear this country apart.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:02:29am

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

Where is the proof from creationist (the ones that want creationism included in science classes), that the creator exists? We wouldn't want to teach something that has no basis in fact. Would we? I mean, truth and dealing with facts seems to be the creationist biggest complaint about evolution.

Let's get on this.

Well, somebody had to ask this question at some point. It seems we tip-toe around it so much. Let's put some of the pressure back on the creationist who are so worried about the problems of evolution and the science behind it.

I have a problem with the existence of a creator and the proof behind it.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:04:07am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts transform into moonbats (example #287).....
Super: Obama birth-certificate Trutherism comes to Iraq
Check out how many "conservatives" in the comments cheer on a soldier who refuses to do his duty. Disgraceful.

Hey Killgore... here's you personal reminder... LOST tomorrow evening. I won't be able to watch it until maybe Thursday morning online, since this is tech week and dress rehearsals before our next opening Friday.

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:04:15am

re: #17 Walter L. Newton

I have a problem with the existence of a creator and the proof behind it.

What sort of proof would you ask for?

Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:04:20am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts transform into moonbats (example #287).....
Super: Obama birth-certificate Trutherism comes to Iraq
Check out how many "conservatives" in the comments cheer on a soldier who refuses to do his duty. Disgraceful.

Someone sent me that link last night, with an email saying, "Now will you admit you were wrong!?!"

Caboose Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:04:25am

On a previous thread, iI couldn't help but notice the reference to ODS or Obama Derangement Syndrome and I got to thinking (danger, Will Robinson!). As in the case of Bush Derangement Syndrome the derangement was caused by their fevered dreams and fears of a government that (in their diseased minds) was "evil", I would like to propose that we NOT use the term, Obama Derangement Syndrome, but Obama Reality Syndrome (ORS) since the reality of the actions of the Obama administration is obvious enough to drive any sane, clear-thinking person to action (let not that action be madness; our country needs us to keep a clear head).

So, what do you think, ODS or ORS?

acwgusa Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:05:10am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ready for some Hopium?

HR40: Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

That gets reintroduced every new Congress. Usually dies a quick death, too.

subsailor68 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:06:16am

Has everyone already seen this?

Taxing pot could become a political toking point

And the assemblyman's justification:

"I know the jokes are going to be coming, but this is not a frivolous issue," said Ammiano, a Democrat elected in November after more than a dozen years as a San Francisco supervisor. "California always takes the lead -- on gay marriage, the sanctuary movement, medical marijuana."

Let's recap: gay marriage - nope, failed; sanctuary movement - oops, losing popularity; medical marijuana - might wanna talk to the Feds on that one.

Good, solid arguments Mr. Ammiano. Or to keep it short - "Hey, let's start taxing illegal stuff!"

midwestgak Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:06:21am

Ouch

Um, I have pierced ears, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:06:32am

re: #7 Racer X

Bathtub Harbor

Sydney harbor filmed with a special focus, so everything looks smaller.

I was hoping to see the James Craig, but no such luck.
Can I get my money back?

Dustyvet Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:06:44am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts transform into moonbats (example #287).....
Super: Obama birth-certificate Trutherism comes to Iraq
Check out how many "conservatives" in the comments cheer on a soldier who refuses to do his duty. Disgraceful.

Book the young solider a room at Fort Leavenworth Military Prison.

Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:07:22am

re: #20 Charles

Someone sent me that link last night, with an email saying, "Now will you admit you were wrong!?!"

Was it from Allen Keyes?

joncelli Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:08:04am

re: #23 subsailor68

There's a lot of revenue to be had from weed, and it's probably no worse than alcohol. We should just legalize it, tax it, and concentrate on the drugs that really do harm.

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:08:18am

re: #16 Desert Dog

yes, but this time, there is actually a chance it will get out of a committee and voted on....If the Dems take this on, they will do more harm to the civil right movement than the KKK ever did. It will tear this country apart.

Take a ticket. I think there are going to be alot of things tearing us apart.

mikalm Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:08:22am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Sometimes there's a thin line between the two....

simonml Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:08:40am

"Science H. Logic!"

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:08:56am

re: #28 joncelli

There's a lot of revenue to be had from weed, and it's probably no worse than alcohol. We should just legalize it, tax it, and concentrate on the drugs that really do harm.

If travis the chimp had been toking, as opposed to Xanax and wine, he would have laid out on the lawn giggling.

subsailor68 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:09:12am

re: #28 joncelli

There's a lot of revenue to be had from weed, and it's probably no worse than alcohol. We should just legalize it, tax it, and concentrate on the drugs that really do harm.

I actually agree with ya on that. Just find it funny that this guy's kinda got his priorities a little backward. "Uh, sir, first let's legalize it. Then we can talk about taxing it."

;-)

joncelli Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:09:20am

re: #26 Dustyvet

Yes. The CinC is your ultimate commander whether you like it or not. He has no proof that he has been given an unlawful order so he doesn't get to pick and choose.

brookly red Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:09:58am

re: #28 joncelli

There's a lot of revenue to be had from weed, and it's probably no worse than alcohol. We should just legalize it, tax it, and concentrate on the drugs that really do harm.

bad idea, it is a gateway to hopeium...

subsailor68 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:09:58am

re: #32 Peacekeeper

If travis the chimp had been toking, as opposed to Xanax and wine, he would have laid out on the lawn giggling.

LOL! But, OMG....when those munchies kicked in!

mikalm Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:10:01am

re: #23 subsailor68

I'd support it as well, but I thought the brouhaha over medicinal marijuana here already showed that Federal Schedule One status still reigns supreme.

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:10:01am

re: #20 Charles

Someone sent me that link last night, with an email saying, "Now will you admit you were wrong!?!"

Oh brother.

Ben Hur Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:10:07am

Well, I asked you if you thought it would be FDR, Lincoln or Kennedy.

Apparently, it's going to be Reagan.

Gibbs hints at 'Reaganesque' speech

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that The One has a serious identity problem.

Everything he does is "SomeoneElseEque."

When will Obama move from candidate to President?

Kragar Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:10:25am

re: #22 acwgusa

That gets reintroduced every new Congress. Usually dies a quick death, too.

We got Reid, Pelosi, and Obama running things. I dont put it past them to shuffle it along this time.

subsailor68 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:10:45am

re: #37 mikalm

I'd support it as well, but I thought the brouhaha over medicinal marijuana here already showed that Federal Schedule One status still reigns supreme.

I'm not really up on it, but I believe you're right on that.

joncelli Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:11:00am

re: #33 subsailor68

Yeah, it's a bit like getting mobsters for income tax fraud. So what, the Gambino family was going to claim revenue from extortion and leg-breaking on their 1040?

meeshlr Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:11:01am

Well now, I think that's the first bit of truth that I've heard from a proponent of intelligent design.

It ain't science so keep it out of the science classroom.

Macker Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:11:17am

re: #39 Ben Hur

Well, I asked you if you thought it would be FDR, Lincoln or Kennedy.

Apparently, it's going to be Reagan.

Gibbs hints at 'Reaganesque' speech

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that The One has a serious identity problem.

Everything he does is "SomeoneElseEque."

When will Obama move from candidate to President?

Never.

Jack Burton Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:11:28am

re: #21 Caboose

So, what do you think, ODS or ORS?

There's clearly a distinction between moonbat-like paranoid ravings (ODS) and legitimate concern and criticism (ORS). They are not the same thing.

DisturbedEma Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #39 Ben Hur

Well, I asked you if you thought it would be FDR, Lincoln or Kennedy.

Apparently, it's going to be Reagan.

Gibbs hints at 'Reaganesque' speech

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that The One has a serious identity problem.

Everything he does is "SomeoneElseEque."

When will Obama move from candidate to President?

Ok- I confess. . .I LOVED Reagan. . .before I became a Democrat. . .and sank to the 7th level of hell before surfacing., . .

Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:12:23am

re: #19 Peacekeeper

I have a problem with the existence of a creator and the proof behind it. What sort of proof would you ask for?

Scientific, the same kind that they say is deficient in certain areas of evolution.

Basically, produce god. I want to know who is teaching my children. I want to know the author. Maybe an appearance on Orpah, or at least Foc News.

Ojoe Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:12:52am

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

Thomas Aquinas wrote down some pretty convincing argument about the existence of the Creator & that was way before Darwin & evolution.

This creationism argument is a sidetrack; IMHO God is a fact in the here and now, or nothing.

In fact one of the attributes of God is that God absolutely not dependent on anything at all. Thus this creationism tempest leaves God completely unaffected.

It is pretty funny, actually.

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:12:54am

re: #39 Ben Hur

Well, I asked you if you thought it would be FDR, Lincoln or Kennedy.

Apparently, it's going to be Reagan.

Gibbs hints at 'Reaganesque' speech

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that The One has a serious identity problem.

Everything he does is "SomeoneElseEque."

When will Obama move from candidate to President?

If Reagan were here, he'd bitchslap Obama.

gmsc Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:13:29am

Barack 0bama likes to be compared to Abraham Lincoln. However, Lincoln distinguished himself from quite clearly from 0bama, when Lincoln turned down his stepbrother's request for a loan of $80:

Dear Johnston: Your request for eighty dollars I do not think it best to comply with now. At the various times when I have helped you a little you have said to me, "We can get along very well now"; but in a very short time I find you in the same difficulty again. Now, this can only happen by some defect in your conduct. What that defect is, I think I know. You are not lazy, and still you are an idler. I doubt whether, since I saw you, you have done a good whole day's work in any one day. You do not very much dislike to work, and still you do not work much, merely because it does not seem to you that you could get much for it. This habit of uselessly wasting time is the whole difficulty; it is vastly important to you, and still more so to your children, that you should break the habit. It is more important to them, because they have longer to live, and can keep out of an idle habit before they are in it, easier than they can get out after they are in.

You are now in need of some money; and what I propose is, that you shall go to work, "tooth and nail," for somebody who will give you money for it. Let father and your boys take charge of your things at home, prepare for a crop, and make the crop, and you go to work for the best money wages, or in discharge of any debt you owe, that you can get; and, to secure you a fair reward for your labor, I now promise you, that for every dollar you will, between this and the first of May, get for your own labor, either in money or as your own indebtedness, I will then give you one other dollar. By this, if you hire yourself at ten dollars a month, from me you will get ten more, making twenty dollars a month for your work. In this I do not mean you shall go off to St. Louis, or the lead mines, or the gold mines in California, but I mean for you to go at it for the best wages you can get close to home in Coles County. Now, if you will do this, you will be soon out of debt, and, what is better, you will have a habit that will keep you from getting in debt again. But, if I should now clear you out of debt, next year you would be just as deep in as ever. You say you would almost give your place in heaven for seventy or eighty dollars. Then you value your place in heaven very cheap, for I am sure you can, with the offer I make, get the seventy or eighty dollars for four or five months' work. You say if I will furnish you the money you will deed me the land, and, if you don't pay the money back, you will deliver possession. Nonsense! If you can't now live with the land, how will you then live without it? You have always been kind to me, and I do not mean to be unkind to you. On the contrary, if you will but follow my advice, you will find it worth more than eighty times eighty dollars to you.

LINCOLN TO JOHN D. JOHNSTON, JANUARY 2, 1851.

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meeshlr Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:14:35am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

I thought that an appearance at the Super Bowl would be great. There would be a huge audience and lots of witnesses plus it would be recorded.

simonml Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:14:41am

re: #19 Peacekeeper

I have a problem with the existence of a creator and the proof behind it.

What sort of proof would you ask for?

Please don't prove the existence of God. What would I do with all my faith?

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:15:21am

re: #50 gmsc

Eighty dollars was a lot of money in 1851.

smokefire Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:15:37am

[Link: www.courant.com...]

Just in case some of you missed this little story, earlier.

gmsc Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:15:42am

re: #50 gmsc

Barack 0bama likes to be compared to Abraham Lincoln. However, Lincoln distinguished himself from quite clearly from 0bama, when Lincoln turned down his stepbrother's request for a loan of $80:

BTW, consider that asking to borrow $80 in 1851 is like asking to borrow $2,200 today.

acwgusa Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:15:50am

re: #23 subsailor68

Has everyone already seen this?

Taxing pot could become a political toking point

And the assemblyman's justification:

"I know the jokes are going to be coming, but this is not a frivolous issue," said Ammiano, a Democrat elected in November after more than a dozen years as a San Francisco supervisor. "California always takes the lead -- on gay marriage, the sanctuary movement, medical marijuana."

Let's recap: gay marriage - nope, failed; sanctuary movement - oops, losing popularity; medical marijuana - might wanna talk to the Feds on that one.

Good, solid arguments Mr. Ammiano. Or to keep it short - "Hey, let's start taxing illegal stuff!"

You should see the morons that show up at the San Diego County building protesting for pot. I always ask them, "If I throw a bag of Doritos that way, will you leave?"

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:16:16am

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

If Reagan were here, he'd bitchslap Obama.

Rhetorically, that is.

gmsc Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:16:25am

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Eighty dollars was a lot of money in 1851.

re: #56 gmsc

BTW, consider that asking to borrow $80 in 1851 is like asking to borrow $2,200 today.

Yep - you're right.

Still, when was the last time you heard 0bama turn down a request for a loan?

subsailor68 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:17:05am

re: #42 joncelli

Yeah, it's a bit like getting mobsters for income tax fraud. So what, the Gambino family was going to claim revenue from extortion and leg-breaking on their 1040?

LOL! It reminds me of a story a friend told me about a business partner he had a number of years ago here in Texas.

My friend was given (heaven's knows why) a mounted Buffalo head. He didn't want it, but his partner saw it in the office and said it'd be perfect over the fireplace on his ranch - so my friend gave it to him.

A couple of years later, the partner came into the office all down-hearted. When my friend asked him what was wrong, he said he was getting audited on his Ag exemption.

My friend said - you don't have any stock on that ranch. What the heck did you put on your return?

The partner said: Buffalo. One head.

(My friend swears it's true.)

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:17:57am

re: #59 gmsc

Yep - you're right.

Still, when was the last time you heard 0bama turn down a request for a loan?

Especially one from Tony Rezko.

Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:18:14am

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for the heads up. Even though last week's episode pissed me off I'm actually looking forward to the subtitled version. I'm also hoping the new episode is going to help explain things. It should be a good one.

Desert Dog Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:18:19am

re: #39 Ben Hur

Well, I asked you if you thought it would be FDR, Lincoln or Kennedy.

Apparently, it's going to be Reagan.

Gibbs hints at 'Reaganesque' speech

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that The One has a serious identity problem.

Everything he does is "SomeoneElseEque."

When will Obama move from candidate to President?

never

pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:18:37am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

I want to surf through the Net looking for argumentses
Mix up my present and my imperfect tenses
Tell an opponent it's time he came to his senses
Don't fence me in.

Get along, little doggie, gnaw around slow.
The troll and the moby are rarin' to go.

Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:19:06am

re: #20 Charles

Lol!

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:19:58am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton
Please note, I am not a proponent of creationism. I am tempted to relate my own experiences but they would be, hearsay. The web is full of testimonials like that. We are also unable to subpeona God. He appeared once and just look what happened.
These are philosophical issues absent the actual grace or miracle occuring to each of us personally. Philosophy is not a science.
If one accepts for arguments sake that God exists, then it follows that he created science-thus how could we wield science as a tool to uncover a being beyond its reach?
If one accepts for arguments sake that God does not exists, then science is also useless because it lacks completeness. Some people call this a theory of everything.
Is knowledge finite?

Ben Hur Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:20:17am

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

If Reagan were here, he'd bitchslap Obama.

And he'd use an actual bitch.

Dustyvet Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:20:54am

re: #64 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Get along, little doggie, gnaw around slow.
The troll and the moby are rarin' to go.

"Shave and a troll cut, two bits"

Ben Hur Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:20:55am

re: #55 smokefire

Did you see the quote above?

Test of will.

Macker Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:20:59am

re: #63 Desert Dog

Beat you to it!

Caboose Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:23:23am

re: #45 ArchangelMichael

There's clearly a distinction between moonbat-like paranoid ravings (ODS) and legitimate concern and criticism (ORS). They are not the same thing.

That's why I proposed the use of ORS; I don't think that the dialog that I read here has that moonbat-fever swamp-Kos/HuffPoo/DUmmy raving loony aspect to it, so I was hoping to establish a clear delineation between the two versions of dissent. I'm certain that there are rampant cases of ODS out there (the Boss-Lizard reports on them all the time, like the nirth certificate nonsense, etc.) and I don't think that the discussions of the follies of the Obama administration that take place here fall into the ODS classification.

smokefire Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:24:10am

re: #63 Desert Dog

never

Reganesque.......................Here you go.

Youtube Video

smokefire Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:25:52am

re: #69 Ben Hur

are you saying #67?

Conservative in Liberal Hands Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:26:54am

OT and Speaking our Government's Intelligence...

Army Corps cracks down on flunking levees

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers records show 114 U.S. levees failed maintenance inspections in the past two years. In fact, deficiencies are so serious, the Corps says it can be "reasonably foreseen" the levees will not withstand major floods. Corps officials are informing state and local officials the levees will not receive federal rehabilitation funds if they are damaged by floodwaters.

/It's all Bush's fault

dry_heavz_4_alla Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:28:57am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Hopium" ... I like that. Is "Change" the hopium of the masses?

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:30:11am

Hebrews 11
By Faith
1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 2This is what the ancients were commended for.
3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
...
All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

UberInfidel67 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:31:09am

RNC Chairman Michael Steele told Neil Cavuto that he is open to cutting GOP funding for the 3 Senate traitors who voted for the largest spending bill in US history. Steele says he will wait and see what the state GOP parties decide about the traitors. Senators Specter, Snowe and Collins voted in favor of the trillion dollar pork-bloated bill.

UberInfidel67 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:31:40am

Youtube Video

Fighton03 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:31:49am

And now for something completely different-

Someone other than Teh One is saying the economy might turn around in 2010 and what are the markets doing? Gee just little rally. The power of positive thinking from a leadership position....who'd a thunk it? Benanke didn't all smoke up the arse, but the quotes sounded definite, like maybe he had a PLAN and could see a bottom and a recovery......gee if only the WH could sound like that.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:33:30am

Just for the record, I didn't punish my boy too much for that silly post yesterday. He's having a heck of a debt piled on him and his generation right now by Obama, so I gave him a little slack. (We just had a talk about why we don't do that.)

SFGoth Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:34:56am

Well the Monster keeps growing and growing and growing, and I'm going to give credit where credit is due -- it's grandfather, George W. Bush. Bush I gave us the ADA ("egalitarianism" by litigation) and Bush II birthed tax & spend socialism. What a wonderful legacy the two Bushes have bequeathed. Hey, isn't there another one who's been touted down the road?

fish Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:35:03am

re: #10 Ward Cleaver

Anybody in the market for the Sea Shadow?

You think they would let me have it as a fishing/party boat?

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:36:18am

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
C. S. Lewis

Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:37:40am

re: #48 Ojoe

Thomas Aquinas wrote down some pretty convincing argument about the existence of the Creator & that was way before Darwin & evolution.

This creationism argument is a sidetrack; IMHO God is a fact in the here and now, or nothing.

In fact one of the attributes of God is that God absolutely not dependent on anything at all. Thus this creationism tempest leaves God completely unaffected.

It is pretty funny, actually.

No, I want scientific proof of god, just like they claim the science of evolution is flawed.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:38:34am

re: #52 meeshlr

I thought that an appearance at the Super Bowl would be great. There would be a huge audience and lots of witnesses plus it would be recorded.

It would be better if god appeared in a commercial, better coverage and we could see him over and over for months.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:40:59am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the heads up. Even though last week's episode pissed me off I'm actually looking forward to the subtitled version. I'm also hoping the new episode is going to help explain things. It should be a good one.

Oh good, make me feel bad that I can't watch tomorrow night. Now I have to watch it in only stereo on my computer screen. My TV is a cheap flat widescreen tube with a cheap dolby/dts surround sound system, but it's fine for me little 500 sq. ft apartment. (and my budget).

Throbert McGee Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:41:29am

re: #7 Racer X

Bathtub Harbor

Sydney harbor filmed with a special focus, so everything looks smaller.

That's really cool -- live-action footage of the real harbor transformed into what appears to be stop-motion animation of toy boats on modeling-clay water.

Here's a wiki article on the "tilt-shift focus" technique, including a "before and after" example in which an aerial photo of an actual cityscape has been manipulated so that it looks convincingly like an unconvincing miniature scale model in a Godzilla movie!

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:42:18am

re: #81 SFGoth

Well the Monster keeps growing and growing and growing, and I'm going to give credit where credit is due -- it's grandfather, George W. Bush. Bush I gave us the ADA ("egalitarianism" by litigation) and Bush II birthed tax & spend socialism. What a wonderful legacy the two Bushes have bequeathed. Hey, isn't there another one who's been touted down the road?

George the First was always reckoned
Vile, but viler George the Second.
And what mortal ever heard
Any good of George the Third,
But when from earth the Fourth descended
God be praised the Georges ended

SFGoth Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:44:53am

re: #88 Peacekeeper

BTW, your Swedish flag reminds me of the very hot Swedish flight attendant on my MUC-IAD flight yesterday. She had on big, black boots and a stylish cap. I call her "Disco Stew" (referencing ABBA and the former nickname for FAs).

HippieforLife Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:45:14am

re: #39 Ben Hur

I am so sick of people comparing him to past presidents who were considered "great".

No one can possible know if he will be "great" or not. And he is no FDR, JFK, Lincoln or Reagan. His total lack of executive experience is laughable.

He can't quit campaigning because then he would be forced to actually lead and govern.

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:45:47am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

No, I want scientific proof of god, just like they claim the science of evolution is flawed.

I can't give it to you, but you could ask Him.

ilzito guacamolito Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:47:12am

re: #89 SFGoth

BTW, your Swedish flag reminds me of the very hot Swedish flight attendant on my MUC-IAD flight yesterday. She had on big, black boots and a stylish cap. I call her "Disco Stew" (referencing ABBA and the former nickname for FAs).

I thought that was Finland's flag.

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:47:23am

re: #89 SFGoth

LOL. But its a Finnish flag. Anyway here's to "no more Georges"!

HippieforLife Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:49:28am

re: #67 Ben Hur

And he'd use an actual bitch.

What, do you mean WAB?! I would pay to see that!

Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:51:56am

I guess that's it then.

badger1970 Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:56:52am

Can you blame the nirthers for seeking any slimmer of hope and change the current POTUS? That soldier is wrong, clearly wrong.

As for the quote, leave the body to science and the spirit to G-d.

SFGoth Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:58:25am

re: #92 ilzito guacamolito

LOL, Nebraska, Oklahoma, who can tell the difference? Oh right, no yellow in the Finnish flag (see, Russia, 1940)

Caboose Tue, Feb 24, 2009 12:06:56pm

KEEP YOUR HAND ON YOUR MONEY
Shortly after class, an economics student approaches his economics professor and says, "I don't understand this stimulus bill. Can you
explain it to me?"

The professor replied, "I don't have any time to explain it at my
office, but if you come over to my house on Saturday and help me with my
weekend project, I'll be glad to explain it to you." The student agreed.

At the agreed-upon time, the student showed up at the professor's
house. The professor stated that the weekend project involved his
backyard pool.

They both went out back to the pool, and the professor handed the
student a bucket. Demonstrating with his own bucket, the professor said,
"First, go over to the deep end, and fill your bucket with as much water
as you can." The student did as he was instructed.

The professor then continued, "Follow me over to the shallow end, and
then dump all the water from your bucket into it." The student was
naturally confused, but did as he was told.

The professor then explained they were going to do this many more times,
and began walking back to the deep end of the pool.

The confused student asked, "Excuse me, but why are we doing this?"

The professor matter-of-factly stated that he was trying to make the
shallow end much deeper.

The student didn't think the economics professor was serious, but
figured that he would find out the real story soon enough.

However, after the 6th trip between the shallow end and the deep end,
the student began to become worried that his economics professor had
gone mad. The student finally replied, "All we're doing is wasting
valuable time and effort on unproductive pursuits. Even worse, when this
process is all over, everything will be at the same level it was before,
so all you'll really have accomplished is the destruction of what could
have been truly productive action!"

The professor put down his bucket and replied with a smile,
"Congratulations. You now understand the stimulus bill."

Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Feb 24, 2009 12:24:59pm

I need a change of scenery. I'm thinking of enrolling at Evergreen State University.

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abolitionist Tue, Feb 24, 2009 1:22:41pm

Scary headline on ABC's International page, as of 4:22 est,
U.S. to Pledge $900B+ to Rebuild Gaza

Major ouchy. But on following that link, the headline reads:
Official: US Aid to Gaza to Top $900 Million

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dauntlessone Tue, Feb 24, 2009 3:29:02pm

Intelligent design, creationism, and Darwinism all require faith in something scientifically debatable. The issue I have with Darwinists is they have the same knee jerk dismissal of anything or any one who disputes their beliefs as the most ardent fundamentalist Christian does about those who challenge their beliefs.

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claire Tue, Feb 24, 2009 4:05:55pm

re: #101 dauntlessone

The dismissal isn't knee-jerk. It's learned. I don't know anybody who upon hearing the idea of ID the very first time, didn't react like "what's this all about? Is there something going on here?" Then the matter was looked into and it was found that EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT made to tout ID was bullshit, some immediately obvious and some a bit more subtle until the details were investigated.

So for you to say it is an uninformed opinion, or an opinion made by blindly following the statements of a charismatic leader or some such is just simply wrong in my opinion because that doesn't reflect my experiences whatsoever.

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tremblur Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:12:13pm

Johnson's context for the quote is the religion and philosophy adhered to by materialists, naturalists and metaphysicists that gets passed off as real, hard science. At least creationists are upfront about their biases. Naturalists hide behind their presuppositions, all in the name of "science" because they've been allowed to define the terms of the debate.

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