1 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:18pm

What are you open for?

2 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:27pm

But we're too busy singing
To put anybody down.

3 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:54pm

When they outlaw SUVs, only outlaws will have SUVs.

4 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:15:34pm

new thread!

5 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:17:16pm

I feel like hearing the train song. I think it's been a while.

6 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:17:24pm

Indeed!

7 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:18:24pm

re: #4 trigger girlie

new thread!

New Open Thread!

8 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:03pm

Cool Blue Angels video.

9 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:20:11pm

The USS Bainbridge is on scene at the current pirate crisis.

This is the fifth ship in the United States Navy name for Commodore William Bainbridge.

The helm you see today on the USS Constitution was taken from the HMS Java by Bainbridge after the Java shot away the Constitution's helm.

While Commanding the USS Philadelphia against the Barbary pirates Bainbridge ran the Philadelphia aground and was captured. He was held for nearly 6 months before his release.

10 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:20:20pm

Come on in! Thread's open!

11 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:20:51pm
Hey hey, we’re the Monkees
And people say we monkey around

Here we come.....
Walking down the street......

12 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:21:02pm

re: #9 jcm

The USS Bainbridge is on scene at the current pirate crisis.

This is the fifth ship in the United States Navy name for Commodore William Bainbridge.

The helm you see today on the USS Constitution was taken from the HMS Java by Bainbridge after the Java shot away the Constitution's helm.

While Commanding the USS Philadelphia against the Barbary pirates Bainbridge ran the Philadelphia aground and was captured. He was held for nearly 6 months before his release.

Has this stand off been going on for that long?

13 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:21:38pm

These can't possibly be REAL pirates. That stuff is the stuff of stories, myths. It can't happen in today's world. Captain Morgan comes in a bottle, Johnny Depp plays a pirate in the movies, it's just not real.

/////////////

14 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:23:49pm

Behead those who insult the Turtle Stack!

15 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:00pm

re: #8 Gus 802

Very cool, you know they want to cut that right? 5B for community development (aka ACORN) though.

No more Blue Angels, it is wasteful.

16 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:02pm

re: #8 Gus 802

Cool Blue Angels video.


[Video]

WAAAY COOL!

17 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:07pm

re: #13 ggt

These can't possibly be REAL pirates. That stuff is the stuff of stories, myths. It can't happen in today's world. Captain Morgan comes in a bottle, Johnny Depp plays a pirate in the movies, it's just not real.

/////////////

Oh, yeah! What about the Kraken!

18 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:13pm

re: #13 ggt

These can't possibly be REAL pirates. That stuff is the stuff of stories, myths. It can't happen in today's world. Captain Morgan comes in a bottle, Johnny Depp plays a pirate in the movies, it's just not real.

/////////////

I'm sure they think it's real - they're just waiting on Capt. Jack Sparrow to arrive and take over the negotiations.

19 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:19pm

re: #13 ggt

These can't possibly be REAL pirates. That stuff is the stuff of stories, myths. It can't happen in today's world. Captain Morgan comes in a bottle, Johnny Depp plays a pirate in the movies, it's just not real.

/////////////

Yeah, pirate of lore had their own tall ships. Did they ever hold people for ransom and rely on the media for their PR? Somehow I don't even see these mutants as even being close to those pirates. Something tells me that these guys are just another case of modern day assholes.

20 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:49pm

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Has this stand off been going on for that long?

Nothing new under the sun......

21 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:53pm

re: #15 eddiespaghetti

Very cool, you know they want to cut that right? 5B for community development (aka ACORN) though.

No more Blue Angels, it is wasteful.

They want to cut funding for the BLUE ANGELS? Are you serious?

22 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:25:11pm

re: #15 eddiespaghetti

Very cool, you know they want to cut that right? 5B for community development (aka ACORN) though.

No more Blue Angels, it is wasteful.

No way. You trying to give me a heart attack? I've thought about that though.

23 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:46pm

re: #2 sngnsgt

But we're too busy singing
To put anybody down.

GMTA...... ya beat me to it.

24 NoelArmourson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:52pm

"Gonna buy me a dog
'Cause I need a friend now"
sang Joe Biden at the breeder's kennel...

25 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:56pm

re: #16 jcm

WAAAY COOL!

Nice aye. Just found a short Imax film of the Blues.

26 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:56pm

We have people in Seattle who, year after year, complain that the Blue Angels are noisy, and they want them gone.

I always say, "Hear that? That's the sound of freedom, baby."

Crank it up.

27 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:27:56pm

Trollling, Trolling, Trolling on a river..

28 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:28:26pm

re: #15 eddiespaghetti

Very cool, you know they want to cut that right? 5B for community development (aka ACORN) though.

No more Blue Angels, it is wasteful.

According to a Seattle preschool teacher.

The Blue Angels, our U.S. Navy's flight demonstration squadron of F-18 Hornet fighter pilots, as heartless killers threatening to bomb innocent American children.
29 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:29:18pm

re: #25 Gus 802

Nice aye. Just found a short Imax film of the Blues.


[Video]

Seattle we get the Blues every year, first weekend in August for Seafair.

30 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:29:27pm

re: #28 jcm

from 2003.....

31 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:29:28pm

re: #26 capitalist piglet

I love them, but when they fly over my grandma's, it sounds like Armageddon is coming. I would HATE living next to their base.

32 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:29:32pm

Charles,

I miss the Lizard Lounge Lizard. Not the lounge, just the Lizard.

Any chance of resurrecting it for some other heading?

33 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:30:02pm

re: #30 redc1c4

from 2003.....

The moonbatism never dies in Seattle....

34 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:30:29pm

re: #28 jcm

JC, standard. They will never get cut.

35 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:30:32pm

re: #29 jcm

Seattle we get the Blues every year, first weekend in August for Seafair.

They're the best. And that Seattle school teacher needs to get her head examined.

36 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:30:41pm

re: #27 Floral Giraffe

Trollling, Trolling, Trolling on a river..

i don't think anyone's going to bite that fly...

37 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:30:44pm

re: #4 trigger girlie

Say, if you can get the YouTube at home, that link I gave you earlier is pretty funny. Esp. for any Slayer fan.

/Remember, whenever you hear a fan scream "SSLAAAAAAYYYEER!", another demon gets it's horns.

38 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:31:48pm

re: #28 jcm

I bet that is standard fare in Seattle. F$%K the PNW.

39 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:32:07pm

re: #32 Syrah

Charles,

I miss the Lizard Lounge Lizard. Not the lounge, just the Lizard.

Any chance of resurrecting it for some other heading?

just put the pic up there, maybe with the rotating title in a text bubble coming from his mouth, like an old fashioned cartoon character?

40 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:32:36pm

re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth

sweet :)

41 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:32:46pm

/geez, you people are slipping, 40 comments?

42 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:33:36pm

I thought love was only true in fairy tales...

43 tradewind  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:34:54pm

re: #33 jcm

No sunshine . They're all serotonin deprived. No wonder the place has such great coffee.

44 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:26pm

re: #41 Killian Bundy

/geez, you people are slipping, 40 comments?

I just got here.

45 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:51pm

re: #38 eddiespaghetti

I bet that is standard fare in Seattle. F$%K the PNW.

That's been my impression.

So far we've been holding up on that end. Most people think those folks are nuts.

46 Clemente  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:36:12pm

re: #32 Syrah

Charles,

I miss the Lizard Lounge Lizard. Not the lounge, just the Lizard.

Any chance of resurrecting it for some other heading?

Seems wrong to throw him out just 'cause he lost his job...

47 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:36:56pm

re: #38 eddiespaghetti

I bet that is standard fare in Seattle. F$%K the PNW.

I wear a USS Ronald Reagan hat around Seattle.
I relish the glares I get.

On the other hand I went into a Borders and picked up Levin's Liberty and Tyranny. The clerk remarked they'd sold out of it 4 times.

On that note Lizards I must check out for the night.

Prayers that tomorrow brings freedom for Capt. Phillips, care and comfort for the storm victims on the east coast, and fire victims in the mid section.

Good night Honcos.

48 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:37:04pm

re: #45 Gus 802

Fruits and Nuts:

49 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:37:51pm

re: #43 tradewind

No sunshine . They're all serotonin deprived. No wonder the place has such great coffee.

the vitamin D shortage would explain the lack of verifiable spine amongst them too.

50 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:02pm

re: #47 jcm

I wear a USS Ronald Reagan hat around Seattle.
I relish the glares I get.

On the other hand I went into a Borders and picked up Levin's Liberty and Tyranny. The clerk remarked they'd sold out of it 4 times.

On that note Lizards I must check out for the night.

Prayers that tomorrow brings freedom for Capt. Phillips, care and comfort for the storm victims on the east coast, and fire victims in the mid section.

Good night Honcos.

See ya' man.

51 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:04pm

re: #42 Noam Sayin'

I thought love was only true in fairy tales...

Ha!

/and that pretty much concludes the Monkees greatest hits

52 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:14pm

re: #45 Gus 802

Right.

53 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:39:25pm

re: #47 jcm

Sweet dreams, JCM!

54 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:39:55pm
55 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:40:19pm

re: #51 Killian Bundy

Ha!


[Video]/and that pretty much concludes the Monkees greatest hits

sez you... i've got a whole cassette tape somewhere full of them!

56 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:05pm

re: #51 Killian Bundy

Ha!


[Video]/and that pretty much concludes the Monkees greatest hits

I think you might be right. I can't think of anything else.

57 tradewind  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:07pm

Question: How many Somali pirates does it take to
a) capture a merchant cargo vessel with a crew of 21
b) shanghai the captain and hold him for ransom
c) Cause the President of the US to freeze and pretend nothing has happened
d) dominate an entire news cycle and grab the headlines on Drudge
e) reinforce the third world's hunch that we're a bunch of wusses

58 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:13pm

re: #17 Unakite

Oh, yeah! What about the Kraken!

They are there too?

59 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:16pm

re: #52 eddiespaghetti

Right.

So far. Mayor Newsom of SF (that big old lib) even rejected the idea. What the future holds I don't know.

60 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:20pm

re: #54 eddiespaghetti

Indeed, prayers for him. Prayers for a SEAL to put a .223 shell through his head.

WTF?

you wanna rethink that?

61 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:28pm

Bye the bye.

I went to a Chinese Restaurant tonight and they tried to pass a secret message straight from Beijing to me in a cookie. Whats up with that?

/

62 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:42:34pm

re: #56 Noam Sayin'

I think you might be right. I can't think of anything else.

63 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:43:01pm

re: #60 redc1c4

Not his head, through the skinney's head. If there was any question...

64 tradewind  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:43:12pm

re: #61 Syrah

You need to clear your cache and install some anti-spyware software.

65 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:43:32pm

re: #61 Syrah

Bye the bye.

I went to a Chinese Restaurant tonight and they tried to pass a secret message straight from Beijing to me in a cookie. Whats up with that?

/

Did it say something like "Your life will soon experience big reward."

?

66 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:43:59pm

re: #61 Syrah

Bye the bye.

I went to a Chinese Restaurant tonight and they tried to pass a secret message straight from Beijing to me in a cookie. Whats up with that?

/

silly, the cookies don't come from Beijing

Come to think of it, these days, they might. I'll have to read the package next time I'm at the Chines Restaurant.

67 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:04pm

re: #63 eddiespaghetti

Not his head, through the skinney's head. If there was any question...

the way you posted that, there was boocoo questions.........

68 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:12pm

re: #61 Syrah

Bye the bye.

I went to a Chinese Restaurant tonight and they tried to pass a secret message straight from Beijing to me in a cookie. Whats up with that?

/

Hold on, President Obama will send in the FBI to negotiate with the cookie

69 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:15pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Did it say something like "Your life will soon experience big reward."

?

something very like.

70 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:30pm

re: #66 ggt

silly, the cookies don't come from Beijing

Come to think of it, these days, they might. I'll have to read the package next time I'm at the Chines Restaurant.

Hecho en Ohio.

71 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:59pm

My bro-in-law grew up in the same street as Mike Nesmith, they were all Christian Scientists, and helped Ma Nesmith with her odd little business in her garage. A paint for covering mistakes on typewriter print outs. Liquid Paper.

Of course, all the kids got high as a kite helping out.

I love the monkees, the true pre-fab four.

Except for "Auntie Grizelda" and "(I'm) gonna buy me a dog"

Yet, Peter Tork is a demigod.

72 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:00pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Hecho en Ohio.

ah!

73 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:25pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Hecho en Ohio.

and the Hydrox rears it's ugly head.

74 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:51pm

bocoo, Vietnamese for many, hope I cleared that up...

75 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:58pm

re: #69 Syrah

something very like.

Seriously? I got one two? Piece of paper in a cookie with a message?

This ain't right. Someone call DOCTOR Ron Paul and inform him of this event pronto!

//

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:06pm

re: #61 Syrah

I shit you not Syrah, when I was a wee little lad back in the '70s I got one of those cookie slips that simply read "No".

Left me scratching my head for most of the day. "No" to what?

77 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:44pm

Official UN-Official Lizard Poll:

Do you believe in Day Dreams?

78 tradewind  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:46pm

re: #69 Syrah

It's their discreet way to promote the latest Chinese male enhancement formula.

80 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:47:44pm

Oops, this stuff I'm drinking is making me type "two" instead of "too." Damn booze.

81 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:47:52pm

re: #77 ggt

No, and anyone who says they do is selling something.
/

82 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:48:26pm

re: #62 Desert Dog

I was thinking about that one, but wasn't sure how it would play.

I had a girlfriend whose mother's name was Jean. She was a wonderful woman. Her daughter, not so much.

83 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:48:34pm

I used to work at a place where if I hit the Help button on the computer it would return a screen that said "THERE IS NO HELP AVAILABLE".

I wondered if I was the only one. But I didn't think about it being a conspiracy or anything. Just a little unnerving.

84 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:48:52pm

re: #54 eddiespaghetti

Indeed, prayers for him. Prayers for a SEAL to put a .223 shell through his head.

/well, gee, in that case wouldn't it just be easier and more efficient for the Bainbridge just light up the lifeboat with her CWIS?

85 tradewind  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:14pm

re: #77 ggt

Dear ggt,
Of course. They always cheer up this homecoming queen...
/sincerely, Sleepy Jean/

86 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:27pm

re: #74 eddiespaghetti

bocoo, Vietnamese for many, hope I cleared that up...

dude: it's not me that you have to "clear things up" for.....

you just posted something that read outside the box and i asked about it.

87 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:52pm

re: #80 Gus 802

Oops, this stuff I'm drinking is making me type "two" instead of "too." Damn booze.

have too more and see what happens.....

88 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:56pm

getting near iron fist, just let me know...

89 Clemente  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:05pm

re: #61 Syrah

Bye the bye.

I went to a Chinese Restaurant tonight and they tried to pass a secret message straight from Beijing to me in a cookie. Whats up with that?

/

Did you add the words "in bed" to the rest of the message, as tradition requires?

90 NoelArmourson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:12pm

re: #77 ggt

Official UN-Official Lizard Poll:

Do you believe in Day Dreams?

I do. I work noghts and sleep days.

91 tradewind  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:14pm

re: #79 Edouard

This is simply...
freaking......
embarrassing.
Just saying...

92 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:34pm

re: #87 redc1c4

have too more and see what happens.....

Tanks. We'll sea what happins.

93 NoelArmourson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:57pm

And also can't spell.

94 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:51:36pm

re: #71 Egregious Philbin

My bro-in-law grew up in the same street as Mike Nesmith, they were all Christian Scientists, and helped Ma Nesmith with her odd little business in her garage. A paint for covering mistakes on typewriter print outs. Liquid Paper.

Of course, all the kids got high as a kite helping out.

I love the monkees, the true pre-fab four.

Except for "Auntie Grizelda" and "(I'm) gonna buy me a dog"

Yet, Peter Tork is a demigod.

File that under "Things You Don't See Every Day".

95 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:51:48pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Tanks. We'll sea what happins.

ship happens.... i've tide it more than once.

96 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:51:49pm

re: #63 eddiespaghetti

Not his head, through the skinney's head. If there was any question...

Stun Grenades on three.

/how many pirate terrorists can a SEAL team kill in 15 seconds

97 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:06pm

re: #80 Gus 802

Oops, this stuff I'm drinking is making me type "two" instead of "too." Damn booze.

You know, the label says "alcohol" on it but, it also says "rubbing" in front of that. I don't think you should drink anymore of that stuff...even if the OJ cuts the taste.

98 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:13pm

re: #71 Egregious PhilbinPeter Tork is a demigod.

Peter was recently diagnosed with cancer, so do send good vibes his way.

99 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:31pm

re: #84 Killian Bundy

Don't think its that accurate. I know in fact...

100 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:36pm

re: #94 capitalist piglet

File that under "Things You Don't See Every Day".

LMAO at that one!

101 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:39pm

re: #96 Killian Bundy

Stun Grenades on three.

/how many pirate terrorists can a SEAL team kill in 15 seconds

That depends.....how many pirates are there right now?

102 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:52pm

re: #97 Desert Dog

You know, the label says "alcohol" on it but, it also says "rubbing" in front of that. I don't think you should drink anymore of that stuff...even if the OJ cuts the taste.

Says whiskey. I think it's Canadian. ;)

103 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:12pm

weet dreams all!

104 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:26pm

re: #96 Killian Bundy

Stun Grenades on three.

/how many pirate terrorists can a SEAL team kill in 15 seconds

*raises hand*

All of them?

105 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:33pm

re: #102 Gus 802

Says whiskey. I think it's Canadian. ;)

Mine says "Guinness" and I just drank the last one :-(

106 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:34pm

re: #96 Killian Bundy

Many, as you would imagine, they are killers.

107 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:38pm

re: #78 tradewind

It's their discreet way to promote the latest Chinese male enhancement formula.

Bummer.

Here I thought I was unwittingly being involved in a secret Chinese espionage conspiracy with Jet Lee and Chow Yun-Fat busting down the doors and throwing people out the windows.

But no. It was just spam.

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:03pm

re: #88 eddiespaghetti

If you cross that line, the Lizards will let you know, and brutally so.

Iron Fist is wise: "If you think you are too drunk to post, you are too drunk to post".

109 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:32pm

re: #105 Desert Dog

Mine says "Guinness" and I just drank the last one :-(

One must keep a reserve well stocked. Doesn't always work out that way of course.

110 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:40pm

re: #106 eddiespaghetti

Many, as you would imagine, they are killers well trained.

FTFY!

111 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:02pm

Little-known bizarre Monkees trivia:

When ads appeared in the L.A. trade papers announcing that a new band was being formed, one of the people who auditioned to be one of the Monkees was...Frank Zappa!

For 15 extra credit points, discuss what the Monkees would have been like if Frank Zappa had been chosen for the band.

112 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:18pm

re: #109 Gus 802

One must keep a reserve well stocked. Doesn't always work out that way of course.

My brother was here earlier and he killed 4 of them. What a mooch

113 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:26pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

If you cross that line, the Lizards will let you know, and brutally so.

Iron Fist is wise: "If you think you are too drunk to post, you are too drunk to post".

he's been bumping the line...... look at the bruises.

114 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:30pm

re: #101 Desert Dog

That depends.....how many pirates douche bags are there right now?

FTFY

115 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:56:24pm

re: #111 zombie

Little-known bizarre Monkees trivia:

When ads appeared in the L.A. trade papers announcing that a new band was being formed, one of the people who auditioned to be one of the Monkees was...Frank Zappa!

For 15 extra credit points, discuss what the Monkees would have been like if Frank Zappa had been chosen for the band.

Steven Stills tried out too, but was told his teeth were not up to par. Steven Stills and Frank Zappa....that would have actually been a good band

116 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:56:59pm

re: #111 zombie

Little-known bizarre Monkees trivia:

When ads appeared in the L.A. trade papers announcing that a new band was being formed, one of the people who auditioned to be one of the Monkees was...Frank Zappa!

For 15 extra credit points, discuss what the Monkees would have been like if Frank Zappa had been chosen for the band.

Do you think Zappa would have lasted with the constraints the producers would have put on him?

117 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:26pm

re: #99 eddiespaghetti

Don't think its that accurate. I know in fact...

/nevermind, she sports 5" guns, that'd do it

118 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:14pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

Teetering on the edge!

119 NoelArmourson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:23pm

re: #111 zombie

Little-known bizarre Monkees trivia:

When ads appeared in the L.A. trade papers announcing that a new band was being formed, one of the people who auditioned to be one of the Monkees was...Frank Zappa!

For 15 extra credit points, discuss what the Monkees would have been like if Frank Zappa had been chosen for the band.

The Monkees would have been a mother of an invention?

120 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:36pm

re: #111 zombie

For 15 extra credit points, discuss what the Monkees would have been like if Frank Zappa had been chosen for the band.

Quite a bit more - and less - palatable, depending on one's taste.

Question back at ya. What would Frank's music have been like, had he been chosen for the band?

121 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:43pm

re: #111 zombie

Little-known bizarre Monkees trivia:

When ads appeared in the L.A. trade papers announcing that a new band was being formed, one of the people who auditioned to be one of the Monkees was...Frank Zappa!

For 15 extra credit points, discuss what the Monkees would have been like if Frank Zappa had been chosen for the band.

Zom..The monkees would have been oneof the most progressive bands in the world instead of a media joke..
then i saw her boobs..
Now I'm a believer..yea yea yea
************************************
Good morning you crazy diamonds...

122 tradewind  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:45pm

re: #107 Syrah
And it turned out to be just another con from the Hung Wong Trading Company.

123 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:45pm

re: #116 Syrah

Do you think Zappa would have lasted with the constraints the producers would have put on him?

They would have waited for the acid to wear off. But, they would have realized that it was not acid, it is actually how he is sober!

124 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:52pm

re: #118 eddiespaghetti

Teetering on the edge!

/push ----------->

see you tomorrow!

125 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:59:31pm

re: #111 zombie

Dynamo hum.
Walking down the street.
Because we're all trying to get yellow snow.
Broken Hearts Are for Assholes.
Hey hey, we're the Monkees.

126 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:00:25am

re: #116 Syrah

Do you think Zappa would have lasted with the constraints the producers would have put on him?

Heehee- you said constrain. No.

127 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:00:36am

Is that a real poncho...
or a Sears poncho?

128 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:01:08am

Hope everyone had a blessed Good Friday (if you happen to celebrate it). Nothing's better for leading into Easter than a 2.5 hour long service celebrating Christ's death

/2nd half sarc ;)

129 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:01:14am

re: #125 Gus 802

Burma Shave!

130 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:01:32am

Save the prairie chicken

131 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:01:33am

Frank Nesmith and Mike Zappa

132 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:01:55am

re: #129 Noam Sayin'

Burma Shave!

Almost! I was tempted.
Burma shave.

133 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:02:19am

re: #132 Gus 802

Burma Shave, indeed.

134 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:02:21am

re: #106 eddiespaghetti

Many, as you would imagine, they are killers.

There's only four pirates in an enclosed space that would never see the approach at sea, you know, the [expletive deleted] SEALs train for.

/they're just not being allowed to do it because of TOTUS squeamishness

135 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:02:41am

I'm the Slime

136 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:02:41am

Didn't the Monkees not write their own songs or something?

137 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:03:43am

re: #131 Desert Dog

Frank Nesmith and Mike Zappa


[Video]

That's funny. They're reversed.

138 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:04:14am

re: #134 Killian Bundy

I've been wondering about that since I first heard of the story. My first thought was, 'Oh. They'll put a SEAL team on that. This should be over in about an hour.'

WTF?

139 Edouard  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:04:22am

Frank Zappa was a Monkee for part of one episode. The evidence is right here.

Can you tell Zappa and Nesmith apart?

140 zombie  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:05:45am

re: #136 wiffersnapper

Didn't the Monkees not write their own songs or something?

They were tarred with that, and yes many of their songs were written by other outstanding songwriters of the era, hired by Don Kirschner...but Mike Nesmith was actually a fantastic songwriter himself, and won the right to record his own songs with the band.

(He wrote "Different Drum," later made famous by the Stone Poneys, for example. Also, many of the better but lesser-known Monkees singles.)

141 tradewind  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:05:45am

re: #128 wiffersnapper

I don't know about yours, but the service I went to at noon was more about mourning the sins that resulted in what He had to do.
The celebration starts Easter morning.

142 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:06:08am

I'm just popping in to say that I'm feeling better today. I've been getting some much need rest, and the coughing is subsiding.

I won't make it to fruitcup, so Pietr can have my fruitcup (he was eyeing last night).

I do plan to go to work tomorrow, even if I'm not 100%, so here's to getting back to normal!

143 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:06:15am

Musical excreta and random stuff brought on from earlier threads - John Birch Society and Zappa as a Monkee.. could that explain King Kong? King Kong which is not to be confused with Major Kong Yee Hah!.

It's scary when I have too much time on my hands - crap, I must - Styx

144 tradewind  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:07:09am

re: #142 gmsc

Glad you're all better. Drink ginger tea.

145 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:07:25am

Night all, my carriage just turned back into a pumpkin....play nice

146 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:07:31am

Instead of Zappa joining the Monkees..
what would it had been like if Charles would have joined the Monkees?
I'm a believer in 5/8 time and in B flat..But with a wicked lead guitar..

147 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:07:34am

re: #144 tradewind

Glad you're all better. Drink ginger tea.

Thanks.

148 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:08:09am

re: #143 Van Helsing

Thanks for the highlight reel, Van.

149 tradewind  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:09:23am

Goodnight/morning, and a happy Easter and blessed Passover to all ya'll who keep 'em......
Just don't let me wake up to headlines that those four thugs are still paddling around....take them out.
Somebody.
Anybody.
Even the French may apply.

150 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:10:21am

Brand X - Born Ugly

151 eddiespaghetti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:11:31am

Out peeps, official iron fist....

152 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:11:56am

re: #142 gmsc

Take care and don't over do it.

153 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:12:43am

re: #142 gmsc

gws, gmsc

154 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:12:58am

re: #152 Sharmuta

Take care and don't over do it.

Good morning Sharm
Hope today finds you well

155 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:13:18am

re: #152 Sharmuta

Take care and don't over do it.

Thanks. I think I'll be OK, but I will keep your advice in mind.

{Sharmuta}

156 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:13:26am

Well, in my time zone it just became the Saturday Morning Drinking Thread.

Having read the Totten post about Sadr City I just got a letter from the eldest son explaining where he was posted this tour - the Ur section of Sadr City. As he said - "Jeez dad, this place is the worst shithole I've seen here".

Yup. I'm thrilled.

157 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:13:37am

re: #153 BatGuano

gws, gmsc

gws?!?

158 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:14:10am

re: #157 gmsc

Get Well Soon! Guuuyy.

159 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:14:32am

re: #142 gmsc

I'm just popping in to say that I'm feeling better today. I've been getting some much need rest, and the coughing is subsiding.

I won't make it to fruitcup, so Pietr can have my fruitcup (he was eyeing last night).

I do plan to go to work tomorrow, even if I'm not 100%, so here's to getting back to normal!

Missed your Today in History post. ;)

I'm waiting for the LGF dailies from the Nirthers.

160 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:14:41am

re: #156 Van Helsing

Well, in my time zone it just became the Saturday Morning Drinking Thread.

Having read the Totten post about Sadr City I just got a letter from the eldest son explaining where he was posted this tour - the Ur section of Sadr City. As he said - "Jeez dad, this place is the worst shithole I've seen here".

Yup. I'm thrilled.

so he was never in Kirkuk? (sp)

161 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:15:35am

re: #148 Noam Sayin'

You're more than welcome. A pleasant distraction for me to track down the Chad Mitchell Trio. I found them to be most amusing 30+ years ago.

Not so amusing anymore.

I'm violating the Iron Fist rule.

162 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:15:44am

Guess the crop

/hint: manic speculation in it busted out Europe's economy in the 17th century

163 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:16:23am

re: #141 tradewind

Well, this was a solemn service. Veneration of the Cross, Passion as the Gospel reading. I'm glad I'm a choir director, I can't remember how I ever lasted that long as simply a member of the congregation.

Nothing celebratory about it.

164 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:16:27am

re: #162 Killian Bundy

Guess the crop

/hint: manic speculation in it busted out Europe's economy in the 17th century

tulips..... didn't need the pic

165 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:16:28am

re: #151 eddiespaghetti

Out peeps, official iron fist....

Did someone say Peeps?

Peeps Imitate Life: 11 Sweet Marshmallow Scenes

Featuring: Octopeeps, Thrilla in Manila, The Peepatrator, Hung Jury, U2 3D (for Sharmuta!), Yes, We Did, Wreck of the Edmund Peepsgerald, Peeposuction, Hunting with Veep Peep, Give Peeps a Chance and Peep Show

There are links to even more Peep articles at the link.

166 Truck Monkey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:16:35am

re: #162 Killian Bundy

Guess the crop

/hint: manic speculation in it busted out Europe's economy in the 17th century

Tulips!

167 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:16:44am

re: #158 BatGuano

Get Well Soon! Guuuyy.

I'm trying! Thanks!

168 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:17:00am

re: #140 zombie

Zombie proves once again to be and endless wealth of information. It saves me a trip to the wikipedia! Thanks.

169 Bobblehead  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:17:11am

re: #162 Killian Bundy

Guess the crop

/hint: manic speculation in it busted out Europe's economy in the 17th century

Tulips

170 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:17:24am

Tulips was going to be my answer before I fell over.

171 THX 1138  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:18:29am

re: #42 Noam Sayin'
That all time great guitar lick is the great Glenn Campbell

172 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:19:09am

Yeah, yeah, the clue was too easy.

/cool picture though

173 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:19:55am

We like living right and being free.

174 Bobblehead  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:20:01am

These were the most prized

175 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:21:16am

re: #160 redc1c4

so he was never in Kirkuk? (sp)

Nope. Mumidiayah - The World Famous Triangle of Death, after those mutherfuckers from the (IIRC) 82nd Airborne fucked up the family because one those shitballs couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

Other than that he was in a 'more north-western' location.

Crap. I'm not whining, I just hope that the IA are doing their job, cuz the whole idea now is joint ops.

176 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:21:39am

re: #170 Gus 802

Tulips was going to be my answer before I fell over.

then you must have smoked two joints instead....

177 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:22:57am

Mike Nesmith also wrote and performed, " Joanne". If you haven't heard it. treat yourself. If you have...


178 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:23:07am

re: #176 redc1c4

then you must have smoked two joints instead....

Nah, if I did I'd be either asleep by now or saying seriously weird things by now.

179 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:24:05am

There is an old movie on called corrina corrina.. starring whoopi goldberg.
There is a scene where a Black lady sings somewhere over the rainbow with a jazz band..Just ripped it up...She is a monster..Wonder who she is

180 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:24:15am

re: #176 redc1c4

then you must have smoked two joints instead....

Napoleon...
Near free association is dangerous, but WTF.

181 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:24:21am

re: #178 Gus 802

Nah, if I did I'd be either asleep by now or saying seriously weird things by now.

ever read your posts?

/white smoke

182 sngnsgt  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:25:38am

re: #178 Gus 802

Nah, if I did I'd be either asleep by now or saying seriously weird things by now.

And VERY hungry.. ;-)

183 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:26:10am

re: #159 Gus 802

Missed your Today in History post. ;)

Those were from the Associated Press, and due to their major problems with people embedding videos from their YouTube channel without paying (which everybody else but the AP realized was the point of YouTube), they've been taking those down.

When they attempted to sue a TN radio station for doing this, the response was quick and negative. They've since backed down, and you can read about this story here.

As for April 11 in history?

1689 – William III and Mary II are crowned as joint sovereigns of Britain.

1865 – President Abraham Lincoln makes his last public speech.

1868 – The Shogunate is abolished in Japan.

1905 – Albert Einstein reveals his Theory of Relativity (special relativity).

1921 – First sports broadcast on the radio takes place.

1921 – Iowa becomes the first U.S. state to impose a cigarette tax.

1932 – Joel Grey was born.

1957 – Britain agrees to Singaporean self-rule.

1961 – The trial of Adolf Eichmann begins in Jerusalem.

1968 – President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Civil Rights Act of 1968, prohibiting discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of housing.

1970 – Apollo 13 is launched.

1973 – Jennifer Esposito is born.

1976 – The Apple I is created.

1979 – Ugandan dictator Idi Amin is deposed.

1981 – President Ronald Reagan returns to the White House from the hospital, 12 days after he was wounded in an assassination attempt.

2006 – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announces that Iran has successfully enriched uranium.

2007 – Two bombings in the Algerian capital of Algiers, kills 33 people and wounds a further 222 others.

184 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:26:46am

re: #181 redc1c4

ever read your posts?

/white smoke

But, but. lol Hey, it's 1:30 AM here. What's your excuse?

/white smoke.

185 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:28:24am

re: #183 gmsc

Thanks. Reminder. Apollo 11 40th anniversary is coming up soon. Not that many people will care.

186 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:29:23am

Speaking of Michael Nesmith, I had this on Sony Beta HiFi (paid $700 in 1981 bucks for the damn thing).

It was good. The tape and the player.

187 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:29:55am

re: #185 Gus 802

But I will care deeply. July 20th.

188 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:30:07am

Wow, just looked at the date.

/today's the birthday of the really cool people . . . like Realwest

189 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:31:03am

re: #188 Killian Bundy

Wow, just looked at the date.

/today's the birthday of the really cool people . . . like Realwest

Is it RW's birthday today?

190 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:31:22am

re: #187 BatGuano

But I will care deeply. July 20th.

Great. I hope Charles will do a post regarding the event.

191 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:31:28am

re: #189 HoosierHoops

Is it RW's birthday today?

/yeah . . .

192 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:31:55am

re: #186 Van Helsing

Michael Nesmith virtually invented the music video.

193 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:32:10am

re: #185 Gus 802

Thanks. Reminder. Apollo 11 40th anniversary is coming up soon. Not that many people will care.

I care.
For whatever the fuck that's worth. Keep your eye on SpaceX. they've got a success under their belts and some ambitious yet reasonable plans.

Gives me hope for the future.

30 years later than it should have been, but here we are.

194 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:32:35am

Would you even recognize Mike Nesmith today if you saw him walking down the street?

195 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:33:26am

re: #192 BatGuano

Michael Nesmith virtually invented the music video.

/some would beg to differ

196 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:33:50am

re: #190 Gus 802

Of course he will. If not, someone will have to bitch slap him. (just a joke charles!)

197 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:34:02am

re: #191 Killian Bundy

/yeah . . .

Really? RW is such a cool dude...one of my favorite bloggers

198 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:34:30am

re: #192 BatGuano

Michael Nesmith virtually invented the music video.

re: #195 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/some would beg to differ

He does have good inventing in his genes, however. Mike Nesmith's mother is the woman who invented Liquid Paper!

199 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:35:14am

re: #198 gmsc

Quite right.

200 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:35:28am

re: #194 gmsc

Would you even recognize Mike Nesmith today if you saw him walking down the street?

Only if he had his silly hat on.

201 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:35:50am

re: #194 gmsc

Would you even recognize Mike Nesmith today if you saw him walking down the street?

Are you kidding me? whoa...

202 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:37:06am

re: #196 BatGuano

Of course he will. If not, someone will have to bitch slap him. (just a joke charles!)

Would make a great article. It touches on so many different accomplishments: space, science, engineering, politics. We can even improvise with the moon hoax kooks and conspiracies. Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, and Mike Collins.

203 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:37:39am

re: #197 HoosierHoops

Really? RW is such a cool dude...one of my favorite bloggers

/really, there's a surprising number of lizards born on 4/11 as has been discovered on past anniversaries, Charles has to wait 'til Monday

204 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:38:02am

re: #195 Killian Bundy

How about this?

205 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:40:34am

Sometimes it really sucks to be hadji...

counter-battery fire

206 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:40:59am

re: #204 BatGuano

How about this?

/well, if we're going to talk musical movie clips . . .

207 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:41:45am

re: #202 Gus 802

That would compose many threads. I hope it happens. Knowing Charles sense of History and love of science, I know it will happen.

208 THX 1138  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:42:18am

re: #195 Killian Bundy
NBC originally wanted a TV series based upon A Hard Day's Night but soon found out they could not afford the Beatles, so they settled upon making their own band, The Monkees

209 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:43:56am

re: #207 BatGuano

That would compose many threads. I hope it happens. Knowing Charles sense of History and love of science, I know it will happen.

I think so. The other coming up is Sept. 1, 1939. 70 year anniversary of the invasion of Poland or the start of WWII.

210 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:45:15am

re: #208 THX 1138

NBC originally wanted a TV series based upon A Hard Day's Night but soon found out they could not afford the Beatles, so they settled upon making their own band, The Monkees

Anyone remember the Beatles cartoon show? Beatles

211 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:46:38am

re: #206 Killian Bundy

/well, if we're going to talk musical movie clips . . .

It gets down to who invented what. For example, who invented the television? Many did. Mike Nesmith produced a s*** load of videos in the 70's. Invented, no. Popularized, yes. :)

212 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:48:38am

re: #210 Van Helsing

Anyone remember the Beatles cartoon show? Beatles

Here in Las Vegas, we have probably the only live Beatles cartoon:

213 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:49:14am

re: #211 BatGuano

It gets down to who invented what. For example, who invented the television? Many did. Mike Nesmith produced a s*** load of videos in the 70's. Invented, no. Popularized, yes. :)

I believe Philo T. Farnsworth is credited with the original TV patents - raster scan, phosphor persistence, etc.

214 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:49:26am

re: #208 THX 1138

Artist: The Monkees
Album: Greatest Hits [Rhino]
Year: 1995
Tracks 1. (Theme From) The Monkees
2. Last Train to Clarksville
3. I Wanna Be Free
4. I'm a Believer
5. (I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone [Single Version]
6. Mary, Mary
7. A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You
8. The Girl I Knew Somewhere
9. Randy Scouse Git
10. Pleasant Valley Sunday [Single Version]
11. Words [Single Version]
12. Daydream Believer
13. Goin' Down
14. Valleri
15. D.W. Washburn
16. It's Nice to Be With You
17. Porpoise Song [Single Version]
18. Listen to the Band [Single Version]
19. That Was Then, This Is Now
20. Heart and Soul

Okay, damn, we missed one.

There, that caps the Monkee experience. Unless . . .

/digging deep on this special day

215 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:49:57am

Bus Stop- The Hollies - 1966

216 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:51:06am

re: #205 Van Helsing

Sometimes it really sucks to be hadji...

counter-battery fire

/sucks to be that link attempt

217 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:52:03am

re: #214 Killian Bundy

Davy Jones actually had a band in the late 80s. He opened up for the Dixie Dregs for a concert I saw.

218 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:53:32am

re: #214 Killian Bundy

Okay, damn, we missed one.


[Video]

/digging deep on this special day

Here's another one you missed:
;)

219 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:54:24am

re: #213 Van Helsing

Yes, he did come up with idea of scanning, inspired by the plowing of a field. The other competing idea was a mechanical tv the operation of which I don't understand. Farnsworth took existing technologies to refine his ideas. After all, he did not invent the cathode ray tube.

220 sngnsgt  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:54:28am

re: #212 gmsc

Hey gmsc, shout out from Vegas! Is it raining in your neck of the woods?

221 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:54:39am

re: #216 Killian Bundy
Stop me before I suck at this again - counter battery
I think I got it this time.
You have to watch the whole thing.

222 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:54:42am

re: #217 Gus 802

Davy Jones actually had a band in the late 80s. He opened up for the Dixie Dregs for a concert I saw.

And you've managed to claw your way back from that experience?

/I'm impress

223 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:55:49am

re: #222 Killian Bundy

And you've managed to claw your way back from that experience?

/I'm impress

Sure. Can you name the guitarist with the Dixie Dregs?

224 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:56:34am

re: #223 Gus 802

Sure. Can you name the guitarist with the Dixie Dregs?

/can I Google?

225 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:56:46am

re: #212 gmsc

Of course I remember it! I watched it every Saturday morning when I was nine. Good times.

226 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:57:15am

re: #224 Killian Bundy

/can I Google?

No. Steve Morse.

227 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:58:40am

re: #219 BatGuano

Truth. The CRT had been around (with some weird uses) for quite a while. Farnsworth, time this link matches my memory of my text books pretty well. so I'll cop out to it.

228 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:59:24am

Greetings, honored Zionist Honcoes and other co-conspirators! I was just reviewing all the great posts I missed while I was out working tonight. I see, for example, that we have another fine batch of hate-mail from our ever-creative detractors. This one is unpretentiously crude and vitriolic, with just the right touch of bile and inside reference, as well as an amusingly fruity tang of bad grammar. It is perhaps a little lacking in volume and shrillness, however. I give it a 7.

I was offended, however, to see one of the correspondents declare us to be an "arm of AIPAC." This is altogether demeaning, hurtful, and dismissive, since we are in fact the eyes, ears, and tentacles of AIPAC, as well as other conspirators about whom these wretched troofers know nothing. Mere arms are for hugging, which is he last thing in the world we want to do to our enemies.

229 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:00:33am

re: #220 sngnsgt

Hey gmsc, shout out from Vegas! Is it raining in your neck of the woods?

Yep. As a matter of fact, in the part of Vegas I live in, not only is it raining down, it's also raining up!

/My water was never turned off, but people who live just a block or two down the street from me weren't so lucky.

230 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:00:53am

re: #226 Gus 802

No. Steve Morse.

/wasn't there

231 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:02:03am

re: #214 Killian Bundy

It's good to be old sometimes. I remember that song (Gonna buy me dog).

232 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:02:07am

gotta go: going sailing with Slokat again tomorrow....... sleep might be helpful for that.

enjoy the fruitcup!

233 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:03:44am

re: #219 BatGuano

Mechanical TV - did you ever see some of the color tv ideas?spin

234 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:03:59am

re: #230 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/wasn't there

Neither me. That's early Deep Purple. Morse has been the recent guitarist for the AARP Deep Purple. I think they sound better now and are a lot more sober.

235 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:04:06am

Bye, Redc. Mmmm....fruitcup.

236 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:04:29am

re: #233 Van Helsing

Mechanical TV - did you ever see some of the color tv ideas?spin

Too funny! I was just thinking of the mechanical TV video!

237 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:07:06am

Bogie @ 9 o'clock.

238 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:10:44am

On July 11, 2008, Apple introduced the iTunes App Store. It's not even a year old, but the App Store is already about to reach 1 billion downloads!

Just for comparison, it took LGF 6 months to go from their 6 millionth post to their 7 millionth post (congrats, goddess!).

239 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:12:49am

re: #238 gmsc


Shoulda been me

/pout

240 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:12:55am

re: #238 gmsc

On July 11, 2008, Apple introduced the iTunes App Store. It's not even a year old, but the App Store is already about to reach 1 billion downloads!

Just for comparison, it took LGF 6 months to go from their 6 millionth post to their 7 millionth post (congrats, goddess!).

As I recall, most aren't used for more than a few days, free or paid for.

/and no, I don't have to provide linkys today

241 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:13:40am

re: #239 Fenway_Nation

Shoulda been me

/pout

It was almost a creationist post – but Charles deleted it as it went against the rules!

242 Gus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:14:01am

Night all. Have a good Saturday.

243 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:14:42am

re: #234 Gus 802

Neither me. That's early Deep Purple. Morse has been the recent guitarist for the AARP Deep Purple. I think they sound better now and are a lot more sober.

/gee, maybe they should quit commercially treading on history and find a new name

244 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:15:24am

re: #242 Gus 802

Good night, Gus.

245 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:15:44am

What ever happened to Richie Blackmore?

246 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:16:09am

re: #245 axegrinder

What ever happened to Richie Blackmore?

/can I Google it?

247 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:16:46am

re: #229 gmsc

it's also raining up!

/My water was never turned off, but people who live just a block or two down the street from me weren't so lucky.

To be a little clearer here, a sinkhole opened up just a 3 minute drive from my house!

To make it worse, the valve controlling the pipes broke off, so the only way to stop the water flow was to shut off water service to almost 2,000 homes!

Last I checked, they were still pumping water out of the hole before they can even get down and begin fixing it, so those without water may be without it through much of tomorrow at the very least.

248 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:16:59am

re: #242 Gus 802

Night all. Have a good Saturday.

Good night, Gus!

249 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:18:12am

My favorite R and R song of all time. I was 10 years old.

250 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:20:35am

re: #245 axegrinder

What ever happened to Richie Blackmore?

/senior citizen

251 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:21:19am

Since we're talking old music and TV shows, does anyone else remember the theme from

The Courtship of Eddie's Father

?

252 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:22:36am

re: #251 gmsc

Hell, Yeah!

253 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:23:25am

re: #251 gmsc

Damn!. Rick rolled again! Just like Thanksgiving.

254 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:23:59am

re: #250 Killian Bundy

Thank you. He quit the band on a 'deeply personal' issue. Must be a chick involved. Always is.

255 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:24:44am

re: #251 gmsc

/that was uncalled for

256 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:25:43am

re: #255 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/that was uncalled for

If nobody calls for it in 30 days...
;)

257 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:27:05am

What does 'embedding disabled upon request' mean?

258 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:28:08am

re: #251 gmsc

Well, the song I remember was from Harry Nilsson.
That wasn't it, quite.

259 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:28:52am

While we wait for the fruitcup..It's time for another of the Hoopsters early morning Saturday movie review...
1994 Corrina Corrina A housekeeper (whoopsi Goldberg) charms a widower( Ray Liotta) and his daughter ( Tina Majorino) (Comedy)
First off Tina as an 6yr old in this movie is the same girl that was on HBO Big Love as an 18 year..She is cute as a button and a great acter..
Back to the review..
This movie .and i've been meaning to see this..Really took on many racial issues in society when perhaps it wasn't such a white hot topic...The writers took on sterotypes head on and looking back sort of Naive...
Basically it is a sweet story..and entertaining.
You could not make this movie in 2009.. The Sterotypes are now against the law...
Jeez I knew Whoopi was pretty much a wacked out lefty..But my lawd..She is a very very good actress..
Ray plays the perfect part..He is a genius in what ever he does..Ray never mails it in.
Fruitcup here yet?

260 sngnsgt  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:28:54am

re: #229 gmsc

Yep. As a matter of fact, in the part of Vegas I live in, not only is it raining down, it's also raining up!

/My water was never turned off, but people who live just a block or two down the street from me weren't so lucky.

Ours was off for a few hours the other day but we were at work. We didn't know until we came home and talked to a neighbor about it. It was back on within an hour.

261 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:29:00am

re: #257 axegrinder

What does 'embedding disabled upon request' mean?

/you no see video and it can't be linked

262 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:29:52am

re: #257 axegrinder

What does 'embedding disabled upon request' mean?

Some YouTube aren't allowed to be embedded on outside sites. This could be the preference of the person who posted the video, or it could be YouTube itself imposing a copyright issue (instead of outright removal, they've just begun limiting embedding ability).

263 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:30:55am

re: #255 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/that was uncalled for

If you don't like Rickrolling, how about it's stone age equivalent – Rockrolling!

264 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:31:46am

Still waiting for fruitcup...
Anyone remember 'The Point'? Animated movie, early 1970s. Soundtrack by Harry Nilsson...

265 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:31:52am

re: #258 Van Helsing

Well, the song I remember was from Harry Nilsson.
That wasn't it, quite.

Here it is as the opening theme of the show, after some brief banter by Eddie and his father:

266 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:36:13am

re: #263 gmsc

I remember watching the first episode of the Flintstones, which always reminds me of this:


ttp

267 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:36:25am

Somalis in Minnesota react to barrage of bad news

Sometimes Dahir Mohamed, who works behind the counter at a music shop at a Minneapolis Somali mall, winces when he turns on the news.

First he was hearing about the alleged suicide bomber from Minneapolis. Then it was this week's raids of three money-wiring services. And now, nonstop coverage of Somali pirates holding an American hostage.

U of M student Ruqia Mohamed"We wished it was someone else, like another community besides the Somalians. We don't want to be in the front of the news for negative things," said Mohamed. "If it was for the first Somali-American who won the Olympics, yeah, I could be proud of it. But not for somebody who is creating violence for others and making a mess."

Islam is as Islam does.

/don't like it, convert to Christianity, 'tis the week

268 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:37:05am

re: #261 Killian Bundy

re: #262 gmsc

Thanks. I heard a version of Lazy once with Joe Satriani playing lead. Awesome. I think he toured with Deep Purple 10 or so years ago. Too bad I missed it. Where do I go to learn how to post the video like you guys do? I usually just do a lame link.

dj

269 The Other Les  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:37:08am

I have a suggestion.

Let's just split up the stimulus funds and deposit them in the personal bank accounts of the leaders of the Democratic Party. Do it on a sliding scale to cover everyone from The Big Zero to the precinct captain level.

If we must have political corruption let us have efficient political corruption.

What are your questions on this suggestion?

270 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:38:06am

re: #264 Van Helsing

Still waiting for fruitcup...
Anyone remember 'The Point'? Animated movie, early 1970s. Soundtrack by Harry Nilsson...

No..But I'd like to get any sound track by Harry on the big boy server..
I have 7 buddies and we have shared a music server since Napster days.
It's just us and believe me we just friggin dump cool stuff on there..
Last summer I got a recording of Warren Zevon's last live performance from somebody..
We were like whoa! that is so cool! It's archived..
I love music..

271 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:39:00am

re: #265 gmsc

I kept expecting him to Hulk out.

272 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:41:33am

re: #269 The Other Les

I'd rather all the money went to defense. Start building and testing more powerful nukes and more accurate rockets. And build new fighter jets and pay our soldiers more. That's what I 'd like to see the stimulus money go to.

273 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:41:38am

re: #268 axegrinder

re: #262 gmsc

Thanks. I heard a version of Lazy once with Joe Satriani playing lead. Awesome. I think he toured with Deep Purple 10 or so years ago. Too bad I missed it. Where do I go to learn how to post the video like you guys do? I usually just do a lame link.

dj

Just grab the URL from the address bar, paste it into your message, and it should turn into a video automatically!

For example, pasting the following code: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ugx0Z0239Y

Should result in:

(look at the bottom of the place you enter your text, and click the link that says, "How to embed videos".)

274 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:42:15am

re: #268 axegrinder

Videos are easy. Copy the page URL and paste it into a LGF comment box.

/now you try it

275 The Other Les  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:42:56am

re: #272 axegrinder

I'd rather all the money went to defense. Start building and testing more powerful nukes and more accurate rockets. And build new fighter jets and pay our soldiers more. That's what I 'd like to see the stimulus money go to.

Forgot to put in the sarcasm slash.

276 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:44:07am

re: #273 gmsc

Is that L'l Abner from about 1964?

277 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:45:46am

Found that bad boy.

Awesome..

278 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:45:57am

re: #270 HoosierHoops

No..But I'd like to get any sound track by Harry on the big boy server..
I have 7 buddies and we have shared a music server since Napster days.
It's just us and believe me we just friggin dump cool stuff on there..
Last summer I got a recording of Warren Zevon's last live performance from somebody..
We were like whoa! that is so cool! It's archived..
I love music..

Then you would probably be interested in the soundtrack to the movie 'Nilsson, Son of Dracula'. I never saw it, had the soundtrack on vinyl. Never saw it cuz it was the mid-seventies and well, I have only vague memories of that decade.
The Big Song was 'Daybreak'.
I just like this bit cuz it's all about me: the operation

So enjoy the music Daybreak

279 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:46:25am

re: #276 BatGuano

Is that L'l Abner from about 1964?

Yep.

Or 2009, as the lyrics still apply.
;)

280 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:47:26am

re: #277 axegrinder

Found that bad boy.


[Video]

Awesome..

Congrats on your first video post!

(A little tip – always use preview when posting videos, to make sure they work.)

281 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:47:29am

re: #272 axegrinder

How 'bout we just pay them stay the hell away from our wallets?

282 gmsc  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:49:16am

I'd better get going off to sleep. I promised Pietr that he could have my fruitcup, but it doesn't seem he's around, so it's up for grabs.

Although I'll be asleep, you can use the following gmsc simulator to pretend I'm still here.

Good night, all!

283 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:50:00am

re: #279 gmsc

I think the guy on the right is Stubby Kaye?

284 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:50:19am

re: #278 Van Helsing

Then you would probably be interested in the soundtrack to the movie 'Nilsson, Son of Dracula'. I never saw it, had the soundtrack on vinyl. Never saw it cuz it was the mid-seventies and well, I have only vague memories of that decade.
The Big Song was 'Daybreak'.
I just like this bit cuz it's all about me: the operation

So enjoy the music Daybreak

You just scored me the cool link of the week award with my buds..

285 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:50:28am

re: #281 Van Helsing

How 'bout we just pay them stay the hell away from our wallets?

Yeah, good luck with that. Pay one dude off and 20 line up.

286 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:51:19am

re: #282 gmsc

G'night gmsc. Weet dreams!

287 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:52:39am

re: #277 axegrinder

Very awesome. Thank you.

288 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:52:43am

re: #285 axegrinder

Yeah, good luck with that. Pay one dude off and 20 line up.

Yeah, I know. I was just passing a delusion. Which doesn't hurt as much as passing a kidney stone.

Dealing with congress, on the other hand...
Give me kidney stones and root canal any time.

289 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:54:39am

re: #284 HoosierHoops

Thanks.

Clean living and a cheerful attitude... it always pays off for me.
I prefer torches and pitchforks, but what the heck...

290 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:58:31am

re: #289 Van Helsing

Thanks.

Clean living and a cheerful attitude... it always pays off for me.
I prefer torches and pitchforks, but what the heck...

Kind regards..I'm up so early cause in 2 hrs there will be contractors here.
Plumbing, and I'm replacing sub flooring in 2 rooms...Little Winston is following me around going..what's up ? :)

291 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:59:40am

re: #288 Van Helsing

Your moniker reminds me of old Drakula movies and the connection with Star Wars. My son watched all the Star Wars movies in school a few weeks ago.(Yeah, I know-it's public school) We watched them again at home and I noticed something. The guy that plays Grand Moof Tarkin is Peter Cushing from the old Hammer films and the guy recently playing one of the bad guys in the newer movies was re: #290 HoosierHoops

So is the work cheaper now that we're in a recession or does it cost about what it would have cost 2 years ago?

292 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:00:07am

oops, should have previewed -sorry

293 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:00:18am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

294 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:01:11am

re: #293 littleoldlady

Fruitcup!
And I get firsties!

295 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:02:27am

re: #293 littleoldlady

Morning sunshine feels nicer with a full belly of fruitcup...

296 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:03:16am

re: #293 littleoldlady


Yay! Untainted fruitcup....

297 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:03:48am

Van Helsing! :-)

axegrinder! :-)

Fenway! :-)

/who sez? ;-)

298 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:04:14am

Pirates on German ship fail to find U.S. standoff

Pirates on a German ship with 24 foreign hostages said on Saturday they had returned to the Somali coast after failing to locate the scene of a standoff involving an American captive on a drifting lifeboat.

Pirates had hoped to use the hijacked 20,000-tonne container vessel, Hansa Stavanger, as a "shield" to reach fellow pirates holding American ship captain Richard Phillips far out in the Indian Ocean. U.S. naval ships are close to the lifeboat.

"We have come back to Haradheere coast. We could not locate the lifeboat," one pirate on the German ship, who identified himself as Suleiman, told Reuters. "We almost got lost because we could not find the bearing of the lifeboat."

They'll regroup and try again.

/and we still haven't done anything except bring in more observers

299 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:04:39am

gmsc! :-)

/wherever you are...

Hope you are feeling better!

300 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:05:31am

re: #297 littleoldlady

Van Helsing! :-)

axegrinder! :-)

Fenway! :-)

/who sez? ;-)

hey you!

Thanks for the fruit cup little old lady
Hope today finds you well

301 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:05:51am

To finish my goofball post above I was going to say that Christopher Lee played the old Hammer Dracula and the new Star Wars Count Dooku.

Heh. I said Dooku.

Sorry, my son is a Star Wars fiend and can qoute whole passages by heart. I've no idea where he gets this from...

302 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:06:15am

Good morning, littleoldlady!Mmmm... fruitcup.

303 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:07:03am

HOOSIER! :-)

304 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:07:20am

BatGuano! :-)

305 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:08:24am

re: #293 littleoldlady

Thanks!

306 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:08:56am

Sharmuta! :-) :-) :-)

307 Crux Australis  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:09:16am

I know a solution to the Somali pirate situation. Put the Australian Navy in charge. They have a reputation of taking no crap from anyone and they'll get the job done.

I know there are a couple of ships in the Persian Gulf as we speak.

308 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:11:16am

re: #307 Crux Australis

I know a solution to the Somali pirate situation. Put the Australian Navy in charge. They have a reputation of taking no crap from anyone and they'll get the job done.

I know there are a couple of ships in the Persian Gulf as we speak.

CRUX! G'd day mate!

309 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:13:40am

re: #307 Crux Australis

Excellent idea. The Obama administration has no intention of doing anything. Australia has been our staunchest ally since 2001.

310 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:14:32am

re: #290 HoosierHoops

Kind regards..I'm up so early cause in 2 hrs there will be contractors here.
Plumbing, and I'm replacing sub flooring in 2 rooms...Little Winston is following me around going..what's up ? :)

I'm just up cuz I was having some annoyance about finding out where the elder warrior won was stationed. Ur district of Sadr City. Just one of those annoying confluences. I got his letter and Michael Totten posted his article Totten. It seems to take me a couple of weeks before I get, hmmm, comfortable, maybe accepting is a better word of where he is.

No biggie. He's trained, he's good. I'm the one with the problem.

At least it isn't plumbing! I HATE plumbing. I'm an engineer and suffer from the 'how hard can it be' syndrome. Gets me into soooo much trouble. Between that and having done a couple of years in construction... let's just say that when my wiser half said "the kitchen is OK but does the ceiling have to be so low?" led to a much higher ceiling (and a great deal of - concern - on her part).

I hate plumbing because even when you think you're done, you can turn on the water and find out that not only are you NOT done, you're worse off than you were.

311 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:15:46am

re: #304 littleoldlady

Yes, ti's I. How you doin'?

312 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:16:20am

re: #307 Crux Australis

I know a solution to the Somali pirate situation. Put the Australian Navy in charge. They have a reputation of taking no crap from anyone and they'll get the job done.

I know there are a couple of ships in the Persian Gulf as we speak.

/it'll probably be over before they could sail there

313 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:17:45am

re: #291 axegrinder

I took on the Van Helsing nic when there was a discussion about pitchforks and torches and such then registration opened....

The rest is history,

I will state that there is a Van Helsing much wiser than I that runs the Moonbattery site. I am not him and was not aware of his existences when i registered here.

314 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:19:06am

re: #297 littleoldlady

And thank you, dear lady, for the fruitcup.

So fresh, so tasty, so virtual.

315 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:19:57am

How much water does your standard lifeboat carry?

316 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:22:01am

re: #315 axegrinder

How much water does your standard lifeboat carry?

/this is the Cadillac of lifeboats, ten days at least

317 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:23:15am

re: #314 Van Helsing

So fresh, so tasty, so virtual.

We aim to please! ;-)

318 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:24:02am

re: #307 Crux Australis

I know a solution to the Somali pirate situation. Put the Australian Navy in charge. They have a reputation of taking no crap from anyone and they'll get the job done.

I know there are a couple of ships in the Persian Gulf as we speak.

They really wouldn't like it if I was Imperator.
Unfortunately, now they are going to have to deal with the crews of the other ships (human shields) and getting our US Captain out of this alive.

Why would they hate it if I was Imperator? I'd pay the fuckers whatever they wanted and then I would ensure that they NEVER had a chance to spend it and their children and grandchildren (if any) would have nightmares about what happened to the miserable bastards.

319 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:24:22am

So it'll be over in 8 days. If they let the hostage die it goes from 10 years to life. I like the old days when pirates where hung from the mast. After the keel hauling, hang what's left.

320 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:24:54am

re: #316 Killian Bundy

/this is the Cadillac of lifeboats, ten days at least

And then, if we're still negotiating?

/they'll obviously get all the food and water they want

321 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:25:02am

re: #315 axegrinder

How much water does your standard lifeboat carry?

Stinking pirates don't need no stinking water..arrrggg matey!
/they keep this shit up they will have talk like a Somali pirate day..
It's like a cross between tech support in India and Johny Depp.
Scary..But pretty funny sounding...

322 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:26:14am

re: #307 Crux Australis

The Japanese are in the reigon as well. They sent two destroyers to go after the pirates in the Indian Ocean.....even though their Navy is supposed to utilized in defending the Japanese home islands, once could make the case that repeated attacks on Japanese shipping presents a risk to the security and economy of Japan and they're within their rights to deploy off the Horn of Africa.

The Russians are doing it, the French are doing it, the Indians are doing it, we're doing it.....and I'd be a little surprised if the Iranians weren't doing it (pirates seized an Iranian-flagged freighter carrying grain late last year....this is in addition to the Iranian 'mystery vessel' where the pirates became seriously ill after taking over the ship).

323 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:27:05am

re: #321 HoosierHoops

Stinking pirates don't need no stinking water..arrrggg matey!
/they keep this shit up they will have talk like a Somali pirate day..
It's like a cross between tech support in India and Johny Depp.
Scary..But pretty funny sounding...

Heh. Kinda funny, but what the heck.
Kill the piratical scum.
If for no other reason than they do not properly pronounce 'arrrggg'.

324 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:27:19am

I hope this is appropriate considering the this Holy time, but I love this music!


325 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:28:33am

re: #322 Fenway_Nation

hmmm. Radiation poisoning perhaps? Serves 'em right.

326 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:30:12am

re: #324 BatGuano

I'm good with that. I've always liked that song. Can anyone provide a translation? I could look it up, but that would take thinking, effort, etc. and there are so man smart lizards that could probably do this in a heartbeat...
and I'm lazy.

327 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:32:03am

re: #324 BatGuano

I think they did this song during a wedding scene in Fiddler On the Roof. Very festive. I didn't understand a word.

328 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:33:15am

The internet is a dangerous thing - for the Nilsson thing up thread - Me and my Arrow

329 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:34:03am

It's a happy feet song.

330 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:34:03am

re: #326 Van Helsing

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Like I said. Festive.

331 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:35:30am

re: #330 axegrinder

Excellent! Thank you.

332 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:36:52am

re: #326 Van Helsing

It means, something like we rejoice or let us rejoice. but I love it.

333 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:38:14am

It's illegal to have a wedding or Bar Mitzvah without that song.

/how do you spell e x c o m m u n i c a t i o n ?

334 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:39:09am

re: #332 BatGuano

I couldn't resist.

335 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:41:24am

re: #333 littleoldlady

It's illegal to have a wedding or Bar Mitzvah without that song.

/how do you spell e x c o m m u n i c a t i o n ?

You're not just pulling our collective legs are you? Ex-communication being a Catholic and all...

I'm not aware of a Jewish equivalent.

336 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:41:55am

THere's always Combined Task Force 151.

337 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:43:12am

re: #334 axegrinder

So, what, you got an axe to grid or sumthin?

I like the movie. But I'm a heathen/pagan/unbeliever.
What do I know?

338 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:44:41am

re: #337 Van Helsing

Grid, grind, pimf, whatever.

339 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:46:24am

re: #335 Van Helsing

Actually, neither was I. But there is.

When members of the Neturei Karta went to the Teheran Holocaust conference, at least one of them got the boot for it.

340 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:47:32am

re: #337 Van Helsing

Believe what you want to. More power to you. :)

341 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:48:46am

Okay, they've thrown our dropped communication devices overboard out of well founded paranoia. They're using the SAT phone(s) they brought with them to communicate with their brethren and we're listening to every [expletive deleted] word. My question is why aren't we disrupting this link?

/because they have a hostage, ask the Russians. we're going to learn a lesson here, hopefully

342 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:48:57am

re: #337 Van Helsing

My parents took me to see this when I was 6. It's like my earliest memory. What were they thinking?

343 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:55:17am

re: #341 Killian Bundy

Maybe that's why the commandeered German ship the pirates were trying to use as a shield couldn't make the rondezvous.....

344 freetoken  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:55:58am

..... sleepwalking... must have fruitcup......

345 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:56:50am

re: #342 axegrinder

I really, really enjoyed the musical and the movie. I hadn't even thought of most of the songs in the better part of 30 years...

Thank you for bringing back some good memories. At this time of year my, not indoctrination, shall we say learning in the Christian tradition, causes some friction in the family.

With this reminder I can deflect some conversations and warp things back to meaning from dogma.

346 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:57:11am

re: #344 freetoken

Too late. I ate it.

347 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:58:20am

re: #343 Fenway_Nation

Maybe that's why the commandeered German ship the pirates were trying to use as a shield couldn't make the rondezvous.....

/my nic is blue

348 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:59:08am

re: #344 freetoken

..... sleepwalking... must have fruitcup......

How about a Omelet? Cheese..tomato..hash browns..fruitcup..toast and jelly and the house blend coffee?
/I use only the freshest dinosaurs eggs...

349 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:59:15am

re: #345 Van Helsing

It was the Ian Gillian connection that made me think of it. I bawled like the baby I was when Judas hung himself. Everybody is used to seeing Jesus on the cross but suicide was a new concept for my back then. Dad carried me out to the car.

350 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:02:45am

re: #339 littleoldlady

Actually, neither was I. But there is.

When members of the Neturei Karta went to the Teheran Holocaust conference, at least one of them got the boot for it.

I didn't realize that Jews did the shunning thing. I've known members of not Catholic Christian sects that were subject to this that found it to be absolutely devastating.

I was going to go off on an historical rant, but it's too late, and I'm too fuzz-brained to make a go of it.

351 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:04:58am

I think Quakers do the shunning thing. At least, that's what I remember from some Harrison Ford movie called 'Witness.' Pretty good movie.

352 freetoken  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:05:06am

re: #348 HoosierHoops


/I use only the freshest dinosaurs eggs...

Ahh... and Oxfordian Omlet.......

.... back to bed.

353 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:05:58am

re: #349 axegrinder

6 years you were? Yeah, def a bit young for that. A bit young to deal with any of the morbid aspects of Christianity. Or any other religious philosophy that I can think of off the top my head.

354 NoelArmourson  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:08:41am

re: #351 axegrinder

I think that was Amish.

355 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:10:58am

re: #354 NoelArmourson

I think your right. Time to do some work. Have a good day Lizards.

356 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:13:24am

re: #355 axegrinder

G'night Axe.

357 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:17:11am

freetoken! :-)

Join the club. :-/

358 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:17:28am

Four terrorist in an enclosed 28' lifeboat without power?

/where's the nearest carrier?

359 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:18:16am

I'll have some of that fruitcup.

360 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:20:16am

GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPERS! :-) :-) :-)

Good golly! WHERE have you been?

361 BatGuano  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:21:02am

Good night all.It is past my bedtime.

362 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:22:27am

'Night, BatGuano! :-)

363 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:25:14am

By the way, this is Realwest's birthday . . .

/this will be a Ares memory test

364 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:25:48am

Hey littleoldlady.

Been working regular hours anymore so I don't get to be around at any and all times anymore. Kinda bland it is.

How are you?

365 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:26:04am

Charles' is tomorrow?

366 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:26:14am

re: #322 Fenway_Nation

The Japanese are in the reigon as well. They sent two destroyers to go after the pirates in the Indian Ocean.....even though their Navy is supposed to utilized in defending the Japanese home islands, once could make the case that repeated attacks on Japanese shipping presents a risk to the security and economy of Japan and they're within their rights to deploy off the Horn of Africa.

The Russians are doing it, the French are doing it, the Indians are doing it, we're doing it.....and I'd be a little surprised if the Iranians weren't doing it (pirates seized an Iranian-flagged freighter carrying grain late last year....this is in addition to the Iranian 'mystery vessel' where the pirates became seriously ill after taking over the ship).

We used to rule the seas. We have created this problem by walking off the field. Our ludicrous new directives to cooperate with everybody and lead in nothing are yielding predictable results. In The USN, we might as well call it "talk with a pirate" day.
We are setting ourselves up to lose the next cold war by legitimizing the Chinese blue-water expansion. Next thing you know, we'll be training them in how to sink aircraft carriers.

367 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:27:29am

re: #364 Geepers

I'm okay. :-) I MISS YOU, though! I hope "regular hours" is good for you.

/I wouldn't recognize "regular hours" if I tripped over them...

368 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:28:10am

re: #365 littleoldlady

Charles' is tomorrow?

No, a bunch of us are today.

/Charles has to wait until Monday

369 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:28:12am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

Four terrorist in an enclosed 28' lifeboat without power?

/where's the nearest carrier?

They have one hostage, so our hands are tied. Soon, they will have fifty hostages. What will we do then?

I am sickened that we were not watchful enough to blow the effing boat up when the Captain made a swim for it. All I know is what I see on CNN, but this smells like a major asleep-at-the-switch moment.

370 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:30:55am

re: #369 haakondahl

I am sickened that we were not watchful enough to blow the effing boat up when the Captain made a swim for it.

/the 5" gun battery wasn't paying attention or lacked orders

371 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:33:30am

re: #370 Killian Bundy

/the 5" gun battery wasn't paying attention or lacked orders

The bridge owns this one. CIC should have a camera trained on that thing close-up 24/7, and the bridge should have a set of big-eyes or two that way as well.

The Captain already risked his life to escape once. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a bit of additional hazard for some assistance.

372 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:35:15am

I'm watching the classic movie taxi driver..
never seen it befre and heard about it alot.
Weird movie..

373 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:36:45am

re: #372 HoosierHoops

I'm watching the classic movie taxi driver..
never seen it befre and heard about it alot.
Weird movie..

You talkin' to *me*?

374 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:19am

Killian,

Does that mean BIRTHDAY WISHES are in order?

375 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:29am

re: #371 haakondahl

The Captain already risked his life to escape once. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a bit of additional hazard for some assistance.

No problem.

/reports, wherever they might be being intercepted, are that Phillips is securely tied up now, don't count on another hostage gift

376 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:40am

littleoldlady (#367),

I'm okay. :-) I MISS YOU, though! I hope "regular hours" is good for you.

I miss you too, and the halcyon days of the dead threaders when big bowls of Cranky Flakes was de rigueur. LGF has become "regular hours" as well.

377 golly  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:38:15am

I am convinced that the captain jumped overboard expecting the captors to dissolve into a pink mist when he did. It is a major screw-up and lost moment that needs examination.

378 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:09am

Your text to link...re: #374 littleoldlady

Killian,

Does that mean BIRTHDAY WISHES are in order?

Save 'em for Realwest.

/appreciated

379 Scorch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:24am

re: #372 HoosierHoops

I'm watching the classic movie taxi driver..
never seen it befre and heard about it alot.
Weird movie..


Yes it is weird. Rates right up there with Looking for Mr Goodbar.

380 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:39am

re: #377 golly

I am convinced that the captain jumped overboard expecting the captors to dissolve into a pink mist when he did. It is a major screw-up and lost moment that needs examination.

ZACKLY. He did his part. We let him down. Perhaps fatally.

381 Bubblehead II  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:40:14am

Morning all. I know how much we love bashing the Fwench and calling them surrender monkeys, but damn it. if they can do this, why the fuck can't we?

One Hostage Dies as French Navy Frees Sailboat From Pirates

PARIS — France's navy stormed a French sailboat held by pirates off the Somali coast Friday in an assault triggered by threats the passengers would be executed, but one hostage was killed in the operation, French Defense Minister Herve Morin said.

My condolences to the family of the slain man, but at least the French are sending a message to these ass hats. Don't fuck with our ships.

382 Scorch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:41:34am

Speaking of weirded out. Just had a roach run across my foot a couple of times befoe I could track the devil down and dispose of him....bastages give me the willys. Can stand snakes, spiders and all kinds of vermen but roaches are just plain nasty.

383 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:42:56am

re: #377 golly

I am convinced that the captain jumped overboard expecting the captors to dissolve into a pink mist when he did. It is a major screw-up and lost moment that needs examination.

You can't expect the Navy within a 10 second time frame to rescue a hostage..
What if the Captain punched out a Pirate and knocked him overboard?
Everybody on board dies in a firestorm?
It took 10 seconds to read this..This is a hostage situation..The Navy will sort this out..

384 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:44:11am

Scorch (#382),

Just had a roach run across my foot a couple of times before I could track the devil down and dispose of him

Geez dude, you didn't try to open a dialog with him and try to understand his point of view?

What? Are you living in 2008?

385 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:45:01am

re: #376 Geepers

Nothing is as it used to be. Not a blessed thing.

/maudlin mode

I'm trying to figure out what external substance I should partake in to join my fellow countrymen in LaLaLand.

/Reality Bites

386 Jimmah  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:45:32am

Hey Hey we're Rampage the Monkees!

387 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:45:56am

re: #381 Bubblehead II


Second such operation they've undertaken in a few months from what I understand.

/and on that note.......I'm gonna get me some shuteye

388 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:46:24am

re: #378 Killian Bundy

Plenty where that came from. I'll send realwest his in email.

Meanwhile, kindly stop acting like my mother and graciously accept the gift.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY. KILLIAN! :-)

389 Scorch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:46:25am

re: #384 Geepers

Scorch (#382),


Geez dude, you didn't try to open a dialog with him and try to understand his point of view?

What? Are you living in 2008?

No dialogue needed. Vermen are vermen and need to be dealt with accordingly. :)

390 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:46:52am

re: #370 Killian Bundy

/the 5" gun battery wasn't paying attention or lacked orders


Lack of orders would be my first guess. Not enough time for the fucking damned-to-hell lawyers to have come up with the appropriate ROE as desired by the completely useless ratfuck Department of State.

Unfortunately this isn't a Tom Clancy novel. No one is going to toss their careers to do the right thing.

which is a damn shame and we will regret it later. If we don't deal with this harshly now, we'll get to deal with it over and over and over and over and... oh yeah, we already are.

Hit them. Hurt them. Make them bleed. Make them have nightmares about taking a boat onto the ocean.

We won't do it of course. We'll continue to make the innocents suffer so that guilty can continue. It's insane.

My thanks to axegrinder for the Jesus Christ Superstar link. The memories that came back...

Somali pirates delenda est.

391 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:48:11am

re: #376 Geepers

littleoldlady (#367),

I miss you too, and the halcyon days of the dead threaders when big bowls of Cranky Flakes was de rigueur. LGF has become "regular hours" as well.

Back when I was in the Japan time zone, and I could talk to the dead thread in the broad daylight!

392 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:48:13am

I've dated some vermen in my day...

393 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:48:49am

re: #389 Scorch

No dialogue needed. Vermen are vermen and need to be dealt with accordingly. :)

Vermin, too.

394 Bubblehead II  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:05am

re: #387 Fenway_Nation

Night.

/Gawd, are we going to have to take lessons from the French on how to handle pirates?

395 Jimmah  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:18am

Hey hey! Some good news from Indonesia:

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Indonesia’s Islamic parties lose half their support

"The big losers seem to be the Islamic parties. In 2004, they got almost 40 percent of the votes, but this year their support is only half of that figure. A question of loss of confidence, says [Radio Netherlands' correspondent] Michel Maas: “Many people voted for these Islamic parties because they were supposed to be ‘clean’, rather than corrupt. But in recent years we have seen many corruption scandals in which members of these Islamic parties were involved. The voters simply don’t trust them anymore.”

396 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:26am

re: #394 Bubblehead II

Ain't that hoot?

397 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:33am

haakon! :-)

Yeah.

/verybigsigh

398 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:15am

re: #383 HoosierHoops

You can't expect the Navy within a 10 second time frame to rescue a hostage..

A big bad U.S Destroyer had one mission and one mission only, to keep eyes on a 28' lifeboat 24/7.

/they weren't paying attention or they lacked orders, take your pick

399 golly  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:37am

re: #383 HoosierHoops

This is a hostage situation..The Navy will sort this out..


I'm sure they will. I am just unhappy that the moment was lost. The examination that I referred to was not of the inquiry type, but of the discussion type. Too little has been talked about in the way of possible, rational resolutions to the situation. Without communication between the hostage and the crew, there was very little time to react, and his action was totally unexpected. It's just a shame that if he was expecting action, it didin't happen.

400 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:56am

littleoldlady (#385),

/Reality Bites

I'm not sure there is anything that'll make you just plain stupid.

401 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:52:19am

re: #397 littleoldlady

Sorry--bandwidth limited. What was the vid?

402 Scorch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:53:16am

re: #393 Van Helsing

Vermin, too.

Your actually going to make me spell chk before submitting aren't you.

403 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:53:58am

re: #401 haakondahl

Mary Hopkin - Those Were the Days (1968)

/yeah, I'm old
//wanna make something of it?

;-)

404 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:54:51am

re: #400 Geepers

littleoldlady (#385),

I'm not sure there is anything that'll make you just plain stupid.

I have more faith in modern education pharmacology than you do.

/obviously

;-)

405 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:54:55am

re: #402 Scorch

I would not do that to anyone. I was just being a wiseass.
Myself, I out whole words.
Leave out whole words. See?

406 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:55:08am

re: #383 HoosierHoops

You can't expect the Navy within a 10 second time frame to rescue a hostage..
What if the Captain punched out a Pirate and knocked him overboard?
Everybody on board dies in a firestorm?
It took 10 seconds to read this..This is a hostage situation..The Navy will sort this out..

With the attention that they *should* have been paying, we could have simply shot at anybody who showed up with an AK-47.

I understand what you're saying, but you think these things out beforehand, with pre-approved responses to certain triggers. My guess is that there was a plan, which is of an obvious nature, but that we were just too damned slow.

407 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:15am

re: #398 Killian Bundy

/comment sucked without the video

408 Bubblehead II  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:20am

re: #396 Van Helsing

Not really. It is actually more of an embarrassment.

409 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:21am

Stop Verbing Nouns!

410 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:28am

It's Killian Bundy's Birthday?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KILLIAN!

Let the party begin!

411 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:49am

re: #398 Killian Bundy

A big bad U.S Destroyer had one mission and one mission only, to keep eyes on a 28' lifeboat 24/7.

/they weren't paying attention or they lacked orders, take your pick

Come on KB
Nobody in the world including you would guess the Captain would just jump out of the boat in the middle of of the night..As a Naval Officer would your first order to be to kill everyone on board within 10 seconds?
Thats not the way the Navy Rolls...Those guys are pros.

412 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:59:31am

littleoldlady (#392),

I've dated some vermen in my day...

So there's still hope for me.

413 Scorch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:00:07am

re: #405 Van Helsing

That's a relief. I do love the english language but spell chk is a real pain in the butt.

414 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:00:12am

re: #406 haakondahl

With the attention that they *should* have been paying, we could have simply shot at anybody who showed up with an AK-47.

I understand what you're saying, but you think these things out beforehand, with pre-approved responses to certain triggers. My guess is that there was a plan, which is of an obvious nature, but that we were just too damned slow.

Generally the people on the scene don't get to make up the responses when they involve deadly force particularly with collateral damage possibilities.

A decent C-in-C would give them authorization to use lethal response as they (those on the scene) deemed appropriate.

We don't have a decent C-in-C. We have the Obama administration and I guarantee you that he will NEVER, EVER, make a decision that he alone will have to defend.

That's why they have committees.
F***ing commie rat bastard.

415 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:00:46am

re: #411 HoosierHoops

Come on KB
Nobody in the world including you would guess the Captain would just jump out of the boat in the middle of of the night..As a Naval Officer would your first order to be to kill everyone on board within 10 seconds?
Thats not the way the Navy Rolls...Those guys are pros.

That's exactly what they should have done, what they should have been ready for, and why they are pros--not amateurs.

416 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:02:43am

re: #411 HoosierHoops

Nobody in the world including you would guess the Captain would just jump out of the boat in the middle of of the night.

But he did.

/seriously, if not to maintain 24/7 eyes on the target, what the [expletive deleted] is the Bainbridge hanging around for?

417 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:04am

littleoldlady (#397),

How apropos.

418 Scorch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:49am

Got to run. Have a great Easter everyone! God bless our military personnel.

419 wahabicorridor  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:53am

sssshhh

It's realwest's birthday today.

420 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:05:44am

re: #412 Geepers

littleoldlady (#392),

So there's still hope for me.

NOW I know what you've been doing! You've been out there bobbin' and weavin', haven't you? Because there's no other way a GOODIE like you hasn't been snatched up yet!

421 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:05:53am

re: #410 Geepers

It's Killian Bundy's Birthday?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KILLIAN!

Let the party begin!

Thanks. I'm way ahead on the partying.

/turn the exuberance into a Realwest surprise party, he deserves it

422 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:06:57am

re: #416 Killian Bundy

But he did.

/seriously, if not to maintain 24/7 eyes on the target, what the [expletive deleted] is the Bainbridge hanging around for?

Again, ROEs are divine gifts from above. If they are not given permission to shoot, they won't.

There was a video posted here a while back that had a f***ing rocket team put up a launcher, load it, aim it and F**KING SHOOT THE DAMN thing off while an Apache team was waiting for authorization to shoot.

it's nuts. Stark raving nuts. Howling idiocy.

423 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:07:07am

wahabi! :-)

Look! GEEPERS is here! Haakon, too!

/it's OLD HOME WEEK DAY!

424 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:08:44am

A very happy birthday to realwest!

425 Bubblehead II  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:10:16am

re: #422 Van Helsing

True. But when they finally did get authorization, they blew the hell out of them.

/saw the video

426 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:11:10am

re: #416 Killian Bundy

But he did.

/seriously, if not to maintain 24/7 eyes on the target, what the [expletive deleted] is the Bainbridge hanging around for?

I love ya KB..This is not really directed at you..
That Captain is a fucking hero..He gave himself up willingly for his crew..
I'd pay 10 million to bring him home right now..and fuck everybody else..
That man is a true American and a great hero..He gave up his life for his men.
There is a tear in my eye as i write this..
There is no officer in our Navy that is going to spray a life boat with deadly fire in a 10 second time frame while my boy is around...Fuck that dude..I want to see my hero on Oprah or something..
God Bless him

427 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:12:56am

littleoldlady (#420),

NOW I know what you've been doing! You've been out there bobbin' and weavin', haven't you? Because there's no other way a GOODIE like you hasn't been snatched up yet!

LOL. Actually I think I get the "this guy can't be for real" determination.

428 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:17:31am

re: #427 Geepers

littleoldlady (#420),

LOL. Actually I think I get the "this guy can't be for real" determination.

Then we're back to "what kind of drugs should I take..." ?

;-)

What a world; what a world!

429 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:18:26am

HoosierHoops (#426),

I want to see my hero on Oprah or something.

Fat chance of that, unless of course he wants to gush on about how bad America sucks and that George Bush's cowboy diplomacy created the Somali pirates.

430 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:18:48am

re: #425 Bubblehead II

True. But when they finally did get authorization, they blew the hell out of them.

/saw the video

Truth. But that fucking rocket got launched and landed somewhere because the Apaches were not given a blanket ROE that allowed them to fire on their own authority.

As I've stated before when my kid first got to Iraq they were not allowed to shoot someone on the road, in the dark, with a shovel, digging a hole, and dropping something in the hole unless they could guarantee positive ID of an explosive. Fucking Nuts. that got changed to basically if there is someone on the road in the 'bad hours' doing soemthing suspiscious, kill 'em. IED deaths went way down for some reason. I don't know what could have caused it...

431 Bubblehead II  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:20:21am

The Internet. It's not just for Pron.

Woman watches home invasion on webcam

/ Big sister is watching you!

432 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:21:05am

re: #426 HoosierHoops

There is no officer in our Navy that is going to spray a life boat with deadly fire in a 10 second time frame while my boy is around...Fuck that dude..I want to see my hero on Oprah or something..
God Bless him

Too bad.

/the Air Force is good to go from a moving platform

433 wahabicorridor  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:26:04am

re: #423 littleoldlady

Oh my goodness! So many happys! I hadn't read the thread when I posted, so happy birthday to everyone!

434 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:31:10am

Pirates Issue New Threat Over US Hostage

10:10am UK, Saturday April 11, 2009
Somali pirates holding a US captain hostage have said they plan to move him to another ship - and warned that using force to rescue him would result in "disaster".


[Link: news.sky.com...]

435 Bubblehead II  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:31:58am

re: #430 Van Helsing

I agree with you 100%. They watched them unload the damn thing and set it up. They should have been able to attack from the time they first spotted them, therefore preventing the launch. Unfortunately, the ROE prevented that and those same ROE can be traced directly back to some bureaucrat who was afraid that his/her ass would be burned if something went wrong with the op.

The same thing is occurring with this pirate situation. Someone in D.C. is afraid to give the green light for a rescue attempt, because if the Capt. gets killed, "they" will look bad and will not be promoted.

436 haakondahl  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:34:53am

re: #435 Bubblehead II

I agree with you 100%. They watched them unload the damn thing and set it up. They should have been able to attack from the time they first spotted them, therefore preventing the launch. Unfortunately, the ROE prevented that and those same ROE can be traced directly back to some bureaucrat who was afraid that his/her ass would be burned if something went wrong with the op.

The same thing is occurring with this pirate situation. Someone in D.C. is afraid to give the green light for a rescue attempt, because if the Capt. gets killed, "they" will look bad and will not be promoted.

We should be jamming all of their comms. We don't care what they have to say until they hand a weapon to the Captain and throw the rest overboard.

437 littleoldlady  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:38:57am

Time to rock and roll...

/feh. pui. sigh.

Good day, ALL!™ - and HAPPY BIRTHDAY to the celebrants!

438 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:43:34am

re: #435 Bubblehead II

I was going to say something snarky like DINGDINGDING we have a winner,
but I won't.

There was an awful lot of political shit (my PC filters are off at this point) that went into target choices in the Vietnam war and I thought we had learned our lessons.

We haven't. We paint big signs that say we won't fucking flatten your pedophile prophet's monument even if you are shooting at us from there. We'll wait and and phone it in and get a culturally appropriate response team to evaluate the threat - aww, fuck it. You get the picture. I get the picture. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature that actually cared about their country gets the fucking picture.

What we lack now, and have lacked even in the Bush administration is people that cared more about their country than their own power or the power of their party.

Not making me happy.

And just to remind people, Robin Hood did NOT steal from the rich, he took back from the Crown and the servant's of the crown the TAXES that were taken from the people. The people that actually contributed to society.

Just sayin'

439 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:43:52am

Dang! Slept in and missed the 0200 littleoldlady Pavlov effect test.

440 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:46:10am

Reuters let's you take your pick:

Pirates pose annoying distraction for Obama

Pirates are test of U.S. resolve

or

a foreign policy dilemma

You decide.

441 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:46:48am

littleoldlady is a KISS fan?

Who knew?

442 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:46:52am

Let me get this straight, TOTUS is planning to wait the terrorist pirates out, assuming they'll eventually come to heel, cooperate, and surrender.

/one lesson in Somalia coming up, I thought we learned that already

443 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:48:22am

re: #442 Killian Bundy

Let me get this straight, TOTUS is planning to wait the terrorist pirates out, assuming they'll eventually come to heel, cooperate, and surrender.

/one lesson in Somalia coming up, I thought we learned that already


You'd like to think that, eh? Me too.

But Whiskey Tango Foxtrot do I know?

Scottsdale Gun Club is having Smith and Wesson days next weekend and there is a nice J frame I think I need.
G'nite boys and girls. Be good to each other.

444 Crux Australis  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:50:56am

Obama/Biden 2008

Teleprompter/Gaffe Machine 2012

lol

445 UncleRancher  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:51:35am

re: #442 Killian Bundy

Let me get this straight, TOTUS is planning to wait the terrorist pirates out, assuming they'll eventually come to heel, cooperate, and surrender.

/one lesson in Somalia coming up, I thought we learned that already

Waiting for reaction from TOTUS is futile. TOTUS doesn't have an application programmed for this situation. Must wait for software people who are all unschooled in the art of protecting nation from harm.

446 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:52:09am

re: #444 Crux Australis

Obama/Biden 2008

Teleprompter/Gaffe Machine 2012

lol

Cheney/Rove 2012
Watch the heads explode.

447 Bubblehead II  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:53:42am

Time to call it a day. Things to be done before I have to go to work.

L8R

448 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:56:24am

How many thousands of Somalis did they give up just to kill and desecrate 18 Americans?

/I find it hard to believe we're giving them any benefit of the doubt for a second time

449 formercorpsman  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:58:22am

re: #437 littleoldlady

You just blew my mind.

450 formercorpsman  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:00:15am

re: #441 Geepers

My first record ever.

Kiss 45.

1. Detroit Rock City
2. Beth

451 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:02:40am

formercorpsman (#450),

Those were the days my friend.

452 formercorpsman  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:03:28am

re: #451 Geepers

Yeah.

453 formercorpsman  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:03:59am

Take it easy folks, I need to fix a dryer.

454 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:04:56am

re: #453 formercorpsman

Take it easy folks, I need to fix a dryer.

/don't fall for the lint trap

455 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:05:20am

re: #448 Killian Bundy

How many thousands of Somalis did they give up just to kill and desecrate 18 Americans?

/I find it hard to believe we're giving them any benefit of the doubt for a second time

Why does it surprise you that we sit on our thumbs? What have we done to indicate that we'll do anything that matters?

Really, when was the last time we made an unmistakable statement that said "Fuck with the USA at your own peril"? When? Even Reagan did nothing after the Marines were murdered in Beirut in 1983.

We should have mad monuments of rubble that stated very clearly that we are not going to negotiate, or make nice, or sing fucking kum-bai-yah with ANYONE that hurts us or ours in any way shape or form.

In the long run, it would keep blood from being spilled. Instead we leak from a thousand paper cuts. For years.

456 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:15:57am

re: #455 Van Helsing

What it boils down to is that TOTUS now owns Captain Phillips' life.

/and hindsight will judge how he lived or died, who knows, TOTUS might even rise to the occasion

457 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:30:09am

re: #456 Killian Bundy

I'm not going to hold my breath in expectation of a good outcome.
And you are quite right - we will see history writ large before our very eyes.

Pay off the fucking pirate bastards. Get EVERYONE out of their clutches. Everyone.
Whatever it takes.

Then - I was going to suggest something deletable. Free the captives and then deal with the pirates and the infrastructure that supports them.

Deal with it permanently. Do it once. Do it right. Be done with these clowns. Forever.

458 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:32:24am
459 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:32:35am

Avanti is at the top of the top comments today..
It's the end of the world and you know it..
But I feel fine..
I'm hiding in the Den while contractors rip up half of the house..Blasting Q95 at 8:30am..
/congrads Avanti..I kind of thought your old ass navy man might fit in here..
Welcome

460 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:32:49am

Ahmadinejad: Obama overtures show a 'lack of something decisive'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I guess it is kinda obvious ha?

461 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:34:10am

re: #459 HoosierHoops

Avanti is at the top of the top comments today..
It's the end of the world and you know it..
But I feel fine..
I'm hiding in the Den while contractors rip up half of the house..Blasting Q95 at 8:30am..
/congrads Avanti..I kind of thought your old ass navy man might fit in here..
Welcome

Avanti must have got "pity" updings?

462 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:35:37am

Seems the Somali "elders" are headed out to sea to help the "negotiations"? More shark food as far as I am concerned.

463 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:36:12am
464 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:37:43am

re: #457 Van Helsing

Then - I was going to suggest something deletable. Free the captives and then deal with the pirates and the infrastructure that supports them.

Deal with it permanently. Do it once. Do it right. Be done with these clowns. Forever.

U.S. military already prepared with battle plans for Somalia pirates, say intelligence sources

The Navy sent a warship to intercept Somali pirates Wednesday who hijacked a U.S.-flagged freighter, as commanders weighed military options for nailing the brigands' bases.

Retired U.S. Ambassador Robert Oakley, who was special envoy to Somalia in the 1990s, said U.S. special operations forces have drawn up detailed plans to attack piracy groups where they live on land, but are awaiting orders from the Obama national security team.

"Our special operations people have been itching to clean them up. So far, no one has let them," Oakley told the Daily News.

/hmmm, brigands

465 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:39:19am

Lavrov said that Russia and the US are going "in the right direction," but added that Moscow wouldn't discuss any trade-offs. He said that the Kremlin had no intention of raising pressure on Iran.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Translation: 1) Obama is better than even we ever expected 2) oh about Iran- Fuck Off!

466 3 wood  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:40:12am

Good morning. I want to wish realwest a Happy Birthday.

I think Obama just apologized to the pirates for the US presence in that area.

467 3 wood  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:40:59am

re: #463 taxfreekiller

avanti is as full of shit as a Christmas Turkey.

One post does not make a real Navy man.

IMO.

What he said.

468 bbuddha  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:04am

Many happy returns to all the birthday boys and girls

469 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:47am

re: #461 Nevergiveup

Avanti must have got "pity" updings?

Probably...
But I'll hand it to him..He has been told to pretty much stick a pineapple up his ass and not once has that man responded in kind...
We don't agree on anything that I recall..Nothing..
But he has not responded with any personal attacks to any lizard at any time.
If he ever did..I'd cut him down like mowing grass on a warm spring day.
And AVANTI Made #1 top 10..So give him his props.
/Dang it..Why didn't I down ding that post?

470 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:44:05am

re: #462 Nevergiveup

Seems the Somali "elders" are headed out to sea to help the "negotiations"? More shark food as far as I am concerned.

/well, now that we've got three U.S. warships sitting around observing a 24' lifeboat, backed up by surveillance aircraft aplenty, it ought to be an extra special outcome

471 leslein  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:44:48am

re: #381 Bubblehead II

You're not the only one to notice:

"Watch out, France and Co, there is a new surrender monkey on the block and, over the next four years, he will spectacularly sell out the interests of the West with every kind of liberal-delusionist initiative on nuclear disarmament and sitting down to negotiate with any power freak who wants to buy time to get a good ICBM fix on San Francisco, or wherever. If you thought the world was a tad unsafe with Dubya around, just wait until President Pantywaist gets into his stride."

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

472 jorline  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:45:45am

Good morning all.

Soon you will be able to cash in on "Global Warming"

Report: Climate Provision Would Allow Global Warming 'Victims' to Sue

An under-the-radar provision in a House climate bill would give plaintiffs who claim to be victims of global warming a way to sue the federal government or businesses, according to a report Friday in The Washington Times.

The Times reported that Democratic Reps. Henry Waxman of California and Edward Markey of Massachusetts added it into a bill they authored.

The provision, which was just released, reportedly would set grounds for plaintiffs who has "suffered" or expect to suffer "harm" attributable at least in part to government inaction. The provision defines "harm" as "any effect of air pollution (including climate change)," according to the Times. Plaintiffs could seek up to $75,000 in damages a year from the government, with $1.5 million being the maximum total payout.

The Times reported that Waxman is trying to accelerate passage for the bill through his committee, as the Senate begins drafting its own version.

473 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:47:31am

re: #472 jorline

Good Morning!

474 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:47:47am

re: #469 HoosierHoops

Probably...
But I'll hand it to him..He has been told to pretty much stick a pineapple up his ass and not once has that man responded in kind...
We don't agree on anything that I recall..Nothing..
But he has not responded with any personal attacks to any lizard at any time.
If he ever did..I'd cut him down like mowing grass on a warm spring day.
And AVANTI Made #1 top 10..So give him his props.
/Dang it..Why didn't I down ding that post?

Yeah I agree. There is not to much I see eye to eye on with Avanti but he doesn't get under my skin like Cognito does.

475 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:48:02am

re: #464 Killian Bundy

There is always an uproar when civilians find out that the'evil war pigs' have plans for invading Canada for instance or dealing with any number of far-fetched scenarios and get their fucking collective (in more ways than one) knickers in a twist.

What they don't understand or generally get schooled on is that those plans exit in a vacuum until the C-in-C says 'go'. Often, that is all it takes. Give the word, Mr President, we'll make it happen. the plans are there, trust me on that. Someone, hmm, who could it be.... think, think, think, .... Oh yeah, the POTUS could say 'go' and it will be done.

3 wood, I just saw your comment come up. Please tell me you are joking.
Sad that I have to ask...

476 Piglet-U93  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:48:26am

re: #470 Killian Bundy

/well, now that we've got three U.S. warships sitting around observing a 24' lifeboat, backed up by surveillance aircraft aplenty, it ought to be an extra special outcome

Obama won't even talk about it. I doubt he will give a go signal for any military operation. He wants to unconditionally talk them to death.

477 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:49:16am

re: #474 Nevergiveup

Yeah I agree. There is not to much I see eye to eye on with Avanti but he doesn't get under my skin like Cognito does.

And that Walter guy can be a bitch too. Let's ask Charles to block all their accounts, or at least give them a stern warning.

478 jorline  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:49:34am

re: #473 HoosierHoops

Good Morning!

How are ya Hoopster?

479 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:49:39am

re: #459 HoosierHoops

Avanti is at the top of the top comments today..
It's the end of the world and you know it..
But I feel fine..
I'm hiding in the Den while contractors rip up half of the house..Blasting Q95 at 8:30am..
/congrads Avanti..I kind of thought your old ass navy man might fit in here..
Welcome

Morning to you, from a old ass Chief, anything exciting happening ?

480 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:49:57am

re: #476 Piglet-U93

Obama won't even talk about it. I doubt he will give a go signal for any military operation. He wants to unconditionally talk them to death.

He'll undoubtedly talk someone to death.

I don't think it's going to be who we would like it to be.

481 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:50:07am

re: #470 Killian Bundy

/well, now that we've got three U.S. warships sitting around observing a 24' lifeboat, backed up by surveillance aircraft aplenty, it ought to be an extra special outcome

Actually, in all seriousness, that concerns me. If you are going to commit AMERICAN POWER AND PRESTIGE then there had better be a positive outcome. If your gonna pay a ransom and cut and run, well it should have been played more low key. But the die has been cast, and lets see how it plays out?

482 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:51:07am

re: #479 avanti

Morning to you, from a old ass Chief, anything exciting happening ?

Git!

483 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:52:06am

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

And that Walter guy can be a bitch too. Let's ask Charles to block all their accounts, or at least give them a stern warning.

Actually when I first began here I had a hard time to getting used to that Walter guy but I " grew accustom to his face" I guess?

484 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:54:33am

re: #482 Walter L. Newton

Git!

Good morning Walter..Hope today finds you well..
My house is being torn up by contractors this morning...We'll probably spent Easter in a Hotel at this rate...

485 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:55:35am
486 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:55:45am

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Good morning Walter..Hope today finds you well..
My house is being torn up by contractors this morning...We'll probably spent Easter in a Hotel at this rate...

Morning. Too bad. Was this a scheduled project, or something weather related (or something like that?)

487 bbuddha  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:55:50am

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

And that Walter guy can be a bitch too. Let's ask Charles to block all their accounts, or at least give them a stern warning.

Oh you mean like the stern warning our current pantywaist in charge will want to give to the somali pirates. Although to the best of my knowledge he hasn't even done that yet. Complete silence at the first international crisis

488 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:56:04am

U.N. Deadlock Over N. Korean Rocket Apparently Easing

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Kyodo News agency, citing diplomatic sources it did not identify, reported late Friday from New York that the Japanese were expected to back off from their demand the council adopt a binding resolution and instead accept a draft presidential statement circulated Thursday night by the U.S.

The statement, drafted by China in consultation with Washington, would "condemn" Pyongyang's suspected test-firing of a long-range ballistic missile, Kyodo cited the sources as saying.

Oh boy that's gonna shake North Korea to its skivvies? What a farce!

489 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:57:21am

re: #481 Nevergiveup

Actually, in all seriousness, that concerns me. If you are going to commit AMERICAN POWER AND PRESTIGE then there had better be a positive outcome. If your gonna pay a ransom and cut and run, well it should have been played more low key. But the die has been cast, and lets see how it plays out?

/TOTUS caught a huge break lat night

490 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:58:39am

re: #486 Walter L. Newton

Morning. Too bad. Was this a scheduled project, or something weather related (or something like that?)

No it was scheduled..Having the plumbing updated..2 new sub floors put in and new carpeting...It's going to a week of fun baby...
good morning!

491 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:01:57am

re: #487 bbuddha

Complete silence at the first international crisis

Well, as TOTUS, he should say nothing and let his actions speak for themselves.

/a little light on the actions so far

492 bbuddha  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:02:04am

re: #489 Killian Bundy

Thanks for posting that, it is good to know that the pirates hoped for aid is probably not going to materialize.

493 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:02:30am

Hussein's Chrome AK-47 Being Returned to Iraq

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I wonder if they are gonna hang the rifle?

494 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:03:23am

re: #491 Killian Bundy

Well, as TOTUS, he should say nothing and let his actions speak for themselves.

/a little light on the actions so far

OK I must have missed that memo, but what does the T into Totus stand for?

495 Cathypop  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:04:45am

re: #494 Nevergiveup

OK I must have missed that memo, but what does the T into Totus stand for?

Turd?

Morning Lizards. Coffees on and its strong.

496 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:06:17am

re: #492 bbuddha

Thanks for posting that, it is good to know that the pirates hoped for aid is probably not going to materialize.

We've whacked their commercial GPS, sucks not to control the satellites.

/they'll regroup and try again, they're far from giving up

497 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:07:06am

re: #494 Nevergiveup

OK I must have missed that memo, but what does the T into Totus stand for?

/TelePrompTer

498 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:07:35am

re: #497 Killian Bundy

/TelePrompTer

Ak OK, that makes sense. I should have gotten that.

499 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:10:07am

UK bomb plot arrests precipitated by anti-terror chief who keeps secrets worse than Biden

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

It seems Obama and Brown aren't quite up to Churchill and FDR? G-D are we in trouble.

500 notutopia  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:10:31am

Hey hey, we’re the Monkees
And people say we monkey around

A NEW “SURRENDER MONKEY” ON THE BLOCK?
Barack Obama: President Pantywaist - Ouch.
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

501 bbuddha  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:11:55am

re: #496 Killian Bundy

We've whacked their commercial GPS, sucks not to control the satellites.

/they'll regroup and try again, they're far from giving up

yeah, I know. If our ships are going to be safe on the high seas we really need to come out on top in this encounter. It would be best if the captain was rescued and them some incredible bad luck were to occur to the pirates. I think that would be a good deterrent. Paying the ransom simply makes it dangerous for the next ship

502 Van Helsing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:12:17am

re: #494 Nevergiveup

OK I must have missed that memo, but what does the T into Totus stand for?

Teleprompter Of The United States
See Iowahawk...

503 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:14:18am

re: #500 notutopia

Hey hey, we’re the Monkees
And people say we monkey around

A NEW “SURRENDER MONKEY” ON THE BLOCK?
Barack Obama: President Pantywaist - Ouch.
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

That's a great read.

504 LesLein  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:16:22am

The next Obama speech:

"For too long, America has been too dismissive of the proud culture and invaluable contributions of the Pirate Community. Whether it is their pioneering work with prosthetics, husbandry of tropical birds or fanciful fashion sense, America owes a deep debt to Pirates."

"The past eight years have shown a failure to appreciate the historic role of these noble seafarers. Instead of celebrating their entreprenuerial spirit and seeking to partner with them to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive."

"Some of us wonder if our current Overseas Contingency Operation would even be needed had the last administration not been so quick to label Pirates as "thieves," "terrorists" and worse. Such swashbucklaphobia can lead to tragic results, as we have seen this week."

The entire story is hilarious:

[Link: exurbanleague.com...]

505 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:17:34am

First, I hope everyone had a good Friday, and wish everyone a happy Easter, in case I don't get to later. (taxes)

Second, I found this Fox video, published yesterday:
The happy side of fascism (0:11:26)
Beck talks with 4 guests/authors:
Robert Gellately - Lenin Stalin and Hitler
Jonah Goldberg - Liberal Fascism
Amity Shlaes - The Forgotten Man
Robert J. Pestritto - Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism

There's no histrionics, unless you count that moment where Beck imitates his elderly uncle praising Mussolini. (Beck says his uncle fought on our side.)

506 notutopia  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:17:51am

re: #503 Nevergiveup

Barack Obama: President Pantywaist
Befitting title. No neither Obama or Brown will ever be up to a Churchill.
Pity for us too.
Obama is trying for an FDR in social policy writing.

507 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:20:47am

Good morning, Lizards!

508 bbuddha  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:21:15am

Gotta run, time to pick up by daughter for early Easter (she works on Sundays)
BBL hopefully

509 notutopia  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:22:09am

re: #507 goddessoftheclassroom
Good Morning and
Happy Holy Saturday!

510 Macker  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:23:44am

Test...
الرئيس أوباما

/Test...

511 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:26:01am

Hello, folks. Despite my earnest desire to sleep in today, my entire body is so sore I simply cannot. But I'm sitting here, typing away and getting some love from my cat. So it's not all bad.

512 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:26:17am

re: #509 notutopia

Good Morning and
Happy Holy Saturday!

{notutopia}
And to you!

513 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:26:43am

re: #489 Killian Bundy

/TOTUS caught a huge break lat night

Yea, they got lost. Translation: We figured out we didn't not want to show up to a gun fight with a pen knife after all.

514 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:26:48am

Patti for President.

/all of the bull[expletive deleted], none of the crap

515 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:26:50am

re: #511 vxbush

Hello, folks. Despite my earnest desire to sleep in today, my entire body is so sore I simply cannot. But I'm sitting here, typing away and getting some love from my cat. So it's not all bad.

{vxbush}
I'm so sorry. I hope you feel better soon.

516 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:26:56am

re: #507 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning. I think I may have asked members around here a couple days ago to ask you to remove me from your prayer list.

It's sort of my way of "finishing business" so I don't get the nagging feeling to come back here.

517 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:29:04am

re: #515 goddessoftheclassroom

{vxbush}
I'm so sorry. I hope you feel better soon.

Me too. I'm really tired of this. Literally and physically.

Oh, and you may need this later.

518 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:29:13am

re: #516 laZardo

Good morning. I think I may have asked members around here a couple days ago to ask you to remove me from your prayer list.

It's sort of my way of "finishing business" so I don't get the nagging feeling to come back here.

{laZardo}
Of course. Take care and go in peace.

519 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:29:30am

Good morning lizards. How is everyone this fine rainy (in NJ) morning?

520 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:29:38am

re: #513 avanti

Yea, they got lost. Translation: We figured out we didn't not want to show up to a gun fight with a pen knife after all.

/I think you underestimate these people

521 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:29:55am

re: #518 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks bundles, and cheers.

522 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:30:12am

re: #513 avanti

Yea, they got lost. Translation: We figured out we didn't not want to show up to a gun fight with a pen knife after all.

What gun fight? Chicken assed Obama is not doing anything, so I suspect that there isn't going to be a gun fight.

What gun fight. The Navy and various other people are all just floating around on the high sea, getting, well, high, but not doing much of anything, chicken shits.

So, what in the world are you talking about? Can you explain what gun fight they missed?

523 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:30:16am

re: #518 goddessoftheclassroom

{laZardo}
Of course. Take care and go in peace.

Let me add that exact same phrase and point it in your direction, sir. Go forth and be at peace.

524 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:35:24am

re: #519 VioletTiger

Good morning lizards. How is everyone this fine rainy (in NJ) morning?

Sleeeeepy. Sore. Hungry. Haven't had breakfast. May need to address that soon.

525 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:35:49am

Since Obama's taken office we've had citizens taken hostage in North Korea, Iran, off the horn of Africa, and in Pakistan. What's up with that?

/

526 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:37:05am

re: #525 Thanos

Since Obama's taken office we've had citizens taken hostage in North Korea, Iran, off the horn of Africa, and in Pakistan. What's up with that?

/

Ssssh! Stop pointing it out! The media is ignoring it, so we must as well.

/

527 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:37:57am

re: #524 vxbush

Sleeeeepy. Sore. Hungry. Haven't had breakfast. May need to address that soon.

Here's some coffee-------->
Hope that helps get you going.

528 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:38:13am

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

What gun fight? Chicken assed Obama is not doing anything, so I suspect that there isn't going to be a gun fight.

What gun fight. The Navy and various other people are all just floating around on the high sea, getting, well, high, but not doing much of anything, chicken shits.

So, what in the world are you talking about? Can you explain what gun fight they missed?

Karl Rove on FoxNews just now explained that there are most likely things going on "behind the scenes". We'll see.

529 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:38:39am

re: #525 Thanos

Since Obama's taken office we've had citizens taken hostage in North Korea, Iran, off the horn of Africa, and in Pakistan. What's up with that?

/

Testing?

530 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:38:59am

re: #525 Thanos

Since Obama's taken office we've had citizens taken hostage in North Korea, Iran, off the horn of Africa, and in Pakistan. What's up with that?

/

Couldn't be because they think there's a Pamby in the White House. Absolutely not./

531 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:39:16am

re: #511 vxbush

Hello, folks. Despite my earnest desire to sleep in today, my entire body is so sore I simply cannot. But I'm sitting here, typing away and getting some love from my cat. So it's not all bad.

Oh, VX, what's the matter?

532 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:40:25am

re: #527 VioletTiger

Here's some coffee-------->
Hope that helps get you going.

Thank you.

/pours cocoa into the coffee to make it palatable

533 Macker  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:40:56am

laZardo, may I ask where you're going?

534 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:41:10am

re: #520 Killian Bundy

/I think you underestimate these people

They are ruthless thugs, but they have seldom been challenged. They take a ship, the insurance company writes a check and off they go. Unlike the terrorists, they are in no hurry to die, and there is no upside for them to confront the Navy.
As to the POTUS's silence on the pirates, I agree with him. Any comments by the President just increases the potential value of the captain, and could complicate the negotiations. The time for tough talk and action is after the brave captain is safe IMHO.

535 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:41:37am

re: #528 reine.de.tout

Karl Rove on FoxNews just now explained that there are most likely things going on "behind the scenes". We'll see.

Well, I doubt it was Karl Rove.

/buut he gets blamed for everything

536 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:42:07am

re: #533 Macker

Just off the sinking ship is all.

537 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:42:19am

re: #531 reine.de.tout

Oh, VX, what's the matter?

I'm not sure I can really explain it--and to be honest, I'm not sure I want to try online. It's just my entire body hurts and I can't get enough sleep as a result, even though I'm getting close to nine hours. I think it's part and parcel of all the weird health problems I'm having right now. Just when I think I get a diagnosis, something else crops up. Right now I'm waiting for lab results; hopefully that will help us come up with a treatment plan.

538 Macker  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:42:36am

re: #535 Killian Bundy

After all, Rove is a magnificent bastard, right?

539 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:42:57am

re: #537 vxbush

I'm not sure I can really explain it--and to be honest, I'm not sure I want to try online. It's just my entire body hurts and I can't get enough sleep as a result, even though I'm getting close to nine hours. I think it's part and parcel of all the weird health problems I'm having right now. Just when I think I get a diagnosis, something else crops up. Right now I'm waiting for lab results; hopefully that will help us come up with a treatment plan.

I hope so too.
Prayers for you.

540 Macker  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:43:44am

re: #536 laZardo

Are you saying LGF is a sinking ship?

541 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:43:57am

re: #534 avanti

The time for tough talk and action is after the brave captain is safe IMHO.

/there in lies the rub

542 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:44:44am

re: #540 Macker

Not this, but rather conservatism in general. A lot of the articles I've seen here (Creationist agenda, wackos on FNC, etc.) seem to be more of an ideology revealing its true face.

543 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:48:02am

re: #542 laZardo

Not this, but rather conservatism in general. A lot of the articles I've seen here (Creationist agenda, wackos on FNC, etc.) seem to be more of an ideology revealing its true face.

I strongly disagree.

Political conservatism appeals to some who also espouse an anti-science agenda. I for one am not going to stop striving towards policies that I believe are better for my country just because some others I strongly disagree with share that goal.

544 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:48:43am

SINK 'EM

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

We would urge Washington to bring the melodrama to an immediate end -- irrespective of the consequences to the hostage. Failing to do so would paint the Navy -- and America -- as impotent, making US-flagged vessels even more tempting targets for Somali cutthroats

545 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:48:45am

re: #542 laZardo

laZardo,

I think conservatism is just fine and well. I think what you are seeing is the discussion of a combination of fringe elements and potential flaws that may cause conservatives to lose future elections. We can't be afraid to air some dirty laundry and talk things over. Hiding from reality never helps imo.

546 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:50:26am

re: #541 Killian Bundy

/there in lies the rub

I wish I had a cool Rambo like plan to free him with the bonus of seeing some dead pirates but I'm far from that smart. There is a American that was held for 56 days by pirates on Fox as we speak, talking about his ordeal, so it may be a slow process.

547 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:50:59am

re: #542 laZardo

Not this, but rather conservatism in general. A lot of the articles I've seen here (Creationist agenda, wackos on FNC, etc.) seem to be more of an ideology revealing its true face.

That's not conservatism, those are fringe kooks trying to hijack conservatism. The focus on them is to make sure they don't gain too much influence, but you have to remember that most conservatives have priorities like family, friends, their business, their work, their community. They aren't really demonstrative. Don't let the kooks fool you, they are just loud and gaudy. The mainstream of conservatism is out there, and it generally wants to go unnoticed and be left alone.

548 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:51:29am
549 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:52:12am
550 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:52:51am

re: #547 Thanos

Conservatives are more active within a smaller base, usually from the community up to probably the state level. It's why they still continue to have such a base even today.

551 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:52:59am

re: #546 avanti

I wish I had a cool Rambo like plan to free him with the bonus of seeing some dead pirates but I'm far from that smart. There is a American that was held for 56 days by pirates on Fox as we speak, talking about his ordeal, so it may be a slow process.

Yeah, but this situation is different. I wrote above:

Actually, in all seriousness, that concerns me. If you are going to commit AMERICAN POWER AND PRESTIGE then there had better be a positive outcome. If your gonna pay a ransom and cut and run, well it should have been played more low key. But the die has been cast, and lets see how it plays out?

552 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:53:10am

GOod morning y'all - from a moderate (58 degrees going up to 72 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

553 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:54:49am

re: #552 realwest

Mornin' RW, other than being up to damn early, everything is fine out here in the tules!(toolies) a type of reed. meaning out in the sticks.

554 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:55:24am

re: #552 realwest

GOod morning y'all - from a moderate (58 degrees going up to 72 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

{realwest}!

Some sunshine here in Western PA but it's only going UP to 54!

555 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:55:39am

re: #553 pingjockey
Hi ping - say, how come you're up so early today?

556 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:55:50am

re: #552 realwest

GOod morning y'all - from a moderate (58 degrees going up to 72 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

/and people don't think I'm paying attention

557 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:56:04am

re: #552 realwest

GOod morning y'all - from a moderate (58 degrees going up to 72 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?


558 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:56:16am

Listening to a second video of Evan Sayet....

559 aggieann  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:56:24am

re: #494 Nevergiveup

OK I must have missed that memo, but what does the T into Totus stand for?

Also see [Link: baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com...]

Hilarious and insightful blog by the real power behind the throne.

560 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:56:34am

re: #550 laZardo

Conservatives are more active within a smaller base, usually from the community up to probably the state level. It's why they still continue to have such a base even today.

Correct, and also keep in mind that Obama had double the number of professed conservatives voting for him than McCain got liberals voting for him. A lot of people from the party of Lincoln did want to see the first black president.

561 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:56:51am

re: #552 realwest

OMG, I didn't know!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

(Mine is the same day as littleoldlady's)

562 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:57:20am

re: #554 goddessoftheclassroom Ah {goddess}! At least you've got sunshine - the heat (and humidity!) will come later on!
AND congratulations on making the 7,000,000 comment on LGF! Mazel Tov!

563 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:57:36am

re: #557 Dustyvet

[Video]

564 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:57:39am

re: #555 realwest
The kid left his alarm on downstairs! And, they arent' here, up at my parents house. Big egg hunt today!

565 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:58:11am

re: #555 realwest

Happy Birthday!

566 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:58:12am

re: #555 realwest
Happy Birthday!

567 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:58:20am

re: #551 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but this situation is different. I wrote above:

Actually, in all seriousness, that concerns me. If you are going to commit AMERICAN POWER AND PRESTIGE then there had better be a positive outcome. If your gonna pay a ransom and cut and run, well it should have been played more low key. But the die has been cast, and lets see how it plays out?

You make a good point, if the Navy could have just ignored the situation as it had in the past, the insurance companies would have done their thing. The fact the captain ended up in a lifeboat forced our hand IMHO. Now that we've shown up with a gun, we'd better be prepared to use it.

568 Geepers  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:58:55am

HAPPY BIRTHDAY REALWEST!

569 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:59:17am

re: #492 bbuddha

Thanks for posting that, it is good to know that the pirates hoped for aid is probably not going to materialize.

Actually, it's certainly not going to materialize.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Apparently, the Navy's approach to things is having a distinct deterrent effect.

570 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:59:21am

re: #564 pingjockey

The kid left his alarm on downstairs! And, they arent' here, up at my parents house. Big egg hunt today!

I read that too fast and thought you wrote, "The kid left is ARM downstairs," I thought I missed some crucial background info...

Have fun with your festivities!

571 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:00:41am

Oh My! The Paulians have accused us of being aligned with AIPAC. I'm not. I'm a proud member of the Global Zionist Conspiracy(GZC). AIPAC is a buncha pikers.

572 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:00:48am

it is so difficult to watch this dangerous hostage situation unfold.
if we had a c.i.c who hadn't shown so much disdain for his own country, it
wouldn't be nearly as hard.
o inspires no confidence that he is up to the challenge to do much of anything that actually calls for strength and determination and putting america first.

i just pray the captain survives this ordeal.

573 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:00:54am

re: #552 realwest

What re: #556 Killian Bundy, re: #566 pingjockey, re: #565 VioletTiger and re: #561 goddessoftheclassroom

said.

574 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:01:11am

re: #558 vxbush

Listening to a second video of Evan Sayet....

Linky?

575 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:01:14am

re: #556 Killian Bundy
Good morning Killian! Thank you for the birthday wishes. And I have to say that I such a dummy I didn't know that you had a BLOG! Yes and a damned good one, too. You wrote something a couple days ago about Islam and it's adherents or members that I found intriguing, to say the least!

And HEY Y'ALL - GO TO Killian's Blog called "Eat it or Wear it" at: [Link: eatitorwearit.wordpress.com...]

576 Sunlight  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:02:08am

From links above:
Ron Howard Yearns for Less Powerful America Not 'Driven by Militarism'

Summary: Ron Howard recently spent lots of time in Europe filming Angels & Demons and the DaVinci Code. He was impressed by their peaceful and non-striving way of life.
“at a certain point I don't think we'll be so consumed with being the pre-eminent super-power and, you know, driven by sort of militarism and this need to export, you know, democracy.”
What Ron Howard doesn't seem to care to know is that the Euros are how they are because the U.S. military already exported democracy to them and has maintained it there for two generations, allowing the Euros to spend all their $$ (or Euros!) on their peace, love, dove lifestyle with no responsibility for their own defense (which is expensive). Ron (I love some of his movies) sounds ever so ignorant and provincial.

Also, anybody who wants to get out from under tyrants or machete wielding neighbors better take care of it themselves, because Ron and the rest of the people the U.S. voted in WILL NOT HELP YOU. They might even run interference for the machete people (I'm wondering about Obama's buddy in Africa who didn't like the results of an election and brought out the machete people - will Obama help this guy? Is that what this "weakening" of America is about? Is that why the pirates are holding off the U.S. Navy?).

577 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:02:13am

re: #570 goddessoftheclassroom
Mom(granma) has in her usual meticoulus fashion coordinated brunch, egg hunt etc...for about 30 family and friends.

578 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:02:26am

re: #572 nyc redneck

Agree. You feel better when you know there's an experienced adult in charge.

579 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:03:19am

re: #562 realwest

hey {real}
happy birthday.
:D

580 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:03:37am

Birthday Shenanigans for Realwest...:)


581 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:03:43am

re: #560 Thanos

I thought they didn't want to mainly because of some issues with socialism/fascism/content-of-characterism that got them seething like an [expletive deleted] last year.

582 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:03:55am

re: #564 pingjockey

The kid left his alarm on downstairs! And, they arent' here, up at my parents house. Big egg hunt today!

I miss those days. My daughter is in college now--we won't even haved dyed eggs this year, especially since hubby food shopped and bought brown eggs. sigh

583 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:04:20am
584 yesandno  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:04:22am

re: #548 reine.de.tout

Interesting:
Stanley Crouch on Mos Def's Minstrel Show
Mos Def is pushing the idea that "authentic" blackhood means stewing in ignorance, and Crouch isn't having any of it.


From that article:

Ignorance is a lack of information, not a genetic defect or a “cultural style;” and irrationality should be fought at every step. Irrationality powered the toxic tribal blob that swelled over Hitler’s Germany and swallowed up its citizenry as well as their murdered victims. The exact same thing can be said about Bosnia and Rwanda. Tribalism. It is what it is and does what it does and can be recognized if we are not decoyed by color.

The summation....something to think about.

585 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:04:58am

re: #575 realwest

You're missing the point, think back to last year.

/many happy returns

586 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:05:20am

Realwest Happy Birthday!

587 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:05:54am

re: #582 VioletTiger
Well, mine are 17, 15,9. Plus some other teenagers cousins and such, but mom and dad have 3 acres to hid eggs in and I don't know who all is there! Mainly I think it's for my younger bros one year old!

588 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:05:58am

re: #576 Sunlight

Just goes to show ya even a jackass can make a good film.

589 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:06:01am

Real,

Happy Birthday!

590 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:06:09am

The Monkees were a boy band manufactured for the teenage market. Kind of like the current Administration! ;-)

591 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:06:40am

Happy Birthday REALWEST

I must say, when my sainted grandmother hit 94, I never thought that I would know anyone older than that !

//

592 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:06:42am

From the article linked above:

Pirates have been searching the waters off Africa's coast to try to find the lifeboat, a U.S. military official with knowledge of the situation said Friday. They are using hijacked vessels and skiffs launched from larger ships, the official said.

Proof that we're dealing with morons. One problem in dealing with these thugs is their use of small, unassuming ships. With our presence in the area comes state-of-the-art surveillance technology; you can bet we're tracking each and every one of these ships to see where they are coming from, aiding in identifying the larger ships that are also involved.

Well worth the wait, if it pins down the location of a large number of those involved in piracy.

What a bunch of dumb asses.

593 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:06:45am

re: #590 quickjustice

The Monkees were a boy band manufactured for the teenage market. Kind of like the current Administration! ;-)

RACIST!
//

594 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:07:05am

re: #576 Sunlight

Well said.
I have less and less respect for celebrities. What about of spoiled whiny assed brats. They live in a fantasy world.

595 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:08:20am

re: #593 jcm

Who you callin' a monkee, punk? ;-)

596 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:09:22am

re: #587 pingjockey

Well, mine are 17, 15,9. Plus some other teenagers cousins and such, but mom and dad have 3 acres to hid eggs in and I don't know who all is there! Mainly I think it's for my younger bros one year old!

Up until last year, my daughter and all the cousins wanted to do the egg hunt. They know a good deal when they see one. Even my 18 year old nephew was willing to walk around with a pink basket for the opportunity to find eggs with money in them.

597 Stonemason  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:09:25am

re: #582 VioletTiger

I miss those days. My daughter is in college now--we won't even haved dyed eggs this year, especially since hubby food shopped and bought brown eggs. sigh

We've always dyed brown eggs... better colors, or so my wonderful Aunt told us when we were young.

Oh my, that was back in the '70's

598 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:09:29am

re: #590 quickjustice

I fail to see how this administration would be a cheap copy of the original.

/conservatives and (newly-minted) liberals agree, it was all Yoko's fault.

599 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:09:37am

re: #557 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty! Thanks my friend! Perfect harmony greeting for moi and acapella too!
And here's something back for ya: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

600 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:10:19am

re: #595 quickjustice

Who you callin' a monkee, punk? ;-)

hey hey!

601 yesandno  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:10:30am

re: #552 realwest

GOod morning y'all - from a moderate (58 degrees going up to 72 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Happy Birthday from the Mountains of NC

...the storm last night was heavy with lightening for a couple hours. Today everything looks cloudy, but the rain has stopped. Hoping for some of that sunny and bright Charlotte weather here in Asheville.

Have a great day, realwest, and an even better Easter!

602 notutopia  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:10:32am

HAPPY BIRTHDAY REALWEST!

603 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:10:41am

re: #577 pingjockey

Mom(granma) has in her usual meticoulus fashion coordinated brunch, egg hunt etc...for about 30 family and friends.

How joyous!

604 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:10:56am

re: #561 goddessoftheclassroom Well thank you! Now if I only knew when lol's birthday is then I'd know when your's is too! LOL!

605 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:11:00am

re: #578 VioletTiger

Agree. You feel better when you know there's an experienced adult in charge.

If it makes you feel any better, the POTUS is not setting around writing contingency plans to deal with the pirates. The best and the brightest in our military are doing that and I'm sure they have a go order to rescue the captain if and when they see a opportunity. I'd bet Obama is just being kept in the loop, but little more then that unless it goes international.
With the possible exception of Eisenhower, recent Presidents didn't have the experience to do a hands on military mission.

606 Stonemason  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:11:12am

re: #600 jcm

and the thread goes full circle

607 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:11:14am

Obama Team Mulls Aims Of Somali Extremists
Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps. But many officials maintain that uncertainty about the intentions of the al-Shabab organization dictates a more patient, nonmilitary approach.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

HOLD THE WEDDING!

As dumb as I am ,, I can see their "intentions"!

608 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:11:33am

re: #603 goddessoftheclassroom
Yep. Ought to be a real wing ding as my granpa used to say.

609 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:11:36am

Good morning fine lizards.

What John Kerry won't say. *Because he's a traitorous cowardly man-pussy.

610 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:13:07am

re: #599 realwest

Hey Dusty! Thanks my friend! Perfect harmony greeting for moi and acapella too!
And here's something back for ya: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

Gee is Mrs. Olson coming over...:) ROFLMAO thanks Real, Have a great Birthday today and manny happy returns...:)

611 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:13:31am

re: #606 Stonemason

and the thread goes full circle

staying on topic, just staying on topic!

612 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:13:40am

re: #609 FrogMarch
Gawd, I hate that mealy mouthed crap. "A policy debate is long overdue"
They're frackin' pirates, find them, eradicate them like the vermin they are.

613 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:13:49am

Their livelihood was being threatened, and they were tired of waiting for government help, so business owners and residents on Hawaii's Kauai island pulled together and completed a $4 million repair job to a state park -- for free.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

And after only eight days, all of the repairs were done, Pleas said. It was a shockingly quick fix to a problem that may have taken much longer if they waited for state money to funnel in.

614 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:14:39am

re: #578 VioletTiger

Agree. You feel better when you know there's an experienced adult in charge.

that is exactly the problem,
o is inexperienced, juvenile and even worse, seems untrustworthy based on his demeaning america way too much.
he has gone above and beyond the call of duty in dumping on his own country.
he is unreliable, inept, foolish.
o does not inspire confidence on the world stage.

615 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:14:44am

Pirates just seized a tug boat with 16 more hostages. American owned, Italian flagged.

616 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:14:56am

re: #609 FrogMarch

Good morning fine lizards.

What John Kerry won't say. *Because he's a traitorous cowardly man-pussy.

John Kerry should be sent to negotiate directly with the pirates.

When he puts them asleep the SEALs spirit Capt. Phillips away and the Navy steams away.

617 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:15:20am

re: #605 avanti

For that matter Ike wasn't a battlefield commander either. But he did have a good feel for the "big" picture.

618 loup-garou  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:15:21am

Happy Easter
Egg collected by Charles Darwin found at Cambridge University after 200 years
An egg collected by Charles Darwin on his HMS Beagle voyage
and lost for nearly 200 years has been discovered by a volunteer at the University of Cambridge.


Give you Joy Sir the The Eggs have been Found!

619 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:15:42am

re: #605 avanti

Oh, I understand that. In fact, I do agree with you that it is best that the President does not jump in at this point.

However, my point is that the POTUS has given plenty of indication that he is at best, a pushover. IMO, this can only mean that we can expect other groups to try and push as far and as hard as they can.

620 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:15:48am

HAPPY BIRTHDAY REALWEST!
:D

(is there cake?)

621 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:15:49am

re: #613 Nevergiveup
Private sector strikes again. Wa. state is talking about mothballing 33 state parks due to budget constraints. Well, a lot of the local municipalities are saying 'let us have them'.

622 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:15:52am

re: #615 avanti

Pirates just seized a tug boat with 16 more hostages. American owned, Italian flagged.

Were did you get that from?

623 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:16:07am

re: #618 loup-garou

Happy Easter
Egg collected by Charles Darwin found at Cambridge University after 200 years
An egg collected by Charles Darwin on his HMS Beagle voyage
and lost for nearly 200 years has been discovered by a volunteer at the University of Cambridge.

Give you Joy Sir the The Eggs have been Found!

They can hide it again on Sunday!

624 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:16:25am

re: #605 avanti

Please see my 607. Obama and his team are "mulling over" what the "intentions" are of the pirates. They are resisting the PROFESSIONALS call to strike militarily

625 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:16:35am

re: #616 jcm

John Kerry should be sent to negotiate directly with the pirates.

When he puts them asleep the SEALs spirit Capt. Phillips away and the Navy steams away.

Better idea let's trade Kerry for the Captain...

626 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:16:45am

Capt. Phillips is 300 miles out with four pirates.

Why isn't every other pirate, pirate ship and shore facility under attack now?

627 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:16:55am

re: #565 VioletTiger
and
re: #566 pingjockey
Thanks to each of you too! I do appreciate the birthday wishes. Acutally I relish my birthday even more, cause on July 3, 2005 doctors gave me 8 months or so to live! Ha - screw 'em, only God says when! And I believe in helping Him out all I can with that!
So thank you both very much!

628 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:17:22am

re: #625 Dustyvet

Better idea let's trade Kerry for the Captain...

I said nothing about bringing J F'in K back!

629 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:17:23am

re: #612 pingjockey

Gawd, I hate that mealy mouthed crap. "A policy debate is long overdue"
They're frackin' pirates, find them, eradicate them like the vermin they are.

Maybe the pirates would be open to a strongly worded letter from Lurch and cackle. ?
/

630 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:17:27am

re: #625 Dustyvet
That is a truly outstanding idea. I'll help Jon halp uz Kary pack.

631 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:17:48am

re: #568 Geepers
Hey Geepers! Thank you - it's good to see you out here man! How are ya doing today?

632 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:17:52am

re: #615 avanti

Pirates just seized a tug boat with 16 more hostages. American owned, Italian flagged.

Bet they wouldn't have done that if their buddies were fish food. Waiting and paying them off time and again has only emboldened them ,,,,,,,,,,,,,AGAIN

633 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:17:55am

re: #628 jcm

I said nothing about bringing J F'in K back!

Sorry wishful thinking...:)

634 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:18:01am

re: #616 jcm

John Kerry should be sent to negotiate directly with the pirates.

When he puts them asleep the SEALs spirit Capt. Phillips away and the Navy steams away.

Your assuming John Kerry has any capacity to be useful.
;-)

635 loup-garou  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:18:22am

re: #615 avanti

if that was a Islamic nations flagged tug boat there would be a reference to how close the event was to a religious holiday.

i have yet to see any references to an American flagged Italian flag tug boat was seized during the most holy week in Christendom...well that's the double standard i see as an atheist.

636 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:18:22am

re: #617 Nevergiveup

For that matter Ike wasn't a battlefield commander either. But he did have a good feel for the "big" picture.

True, even Ike would defer to the guys that deal with issues like this, but he probably would be more involved then the typical POTUS.

637 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:18:29am

re: #628 jcm
NO give backs or returns, regifting is RIGHT OUT!

638 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:18:33am

re: #626 jcm

Capt. Phillips is 300 miles out with four pirates.

Why isn't every other pirate, pirate ship and shore facility under attack now?

Partly because the pirates graduate from "Pirating 101" and they have about 50 other hostages of various nationalities on those pirate ships and shore facilities.

639 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:18:50am

re: #622 Nevergiveup

Were did you get that from?

[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

640 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:19:11am

re: #564 pingjockey Wow, that sucks! (about the kid leaving the alarm on, I mean!). Did they get hunting licenses for going after those bunny eggs?!?
:)

641 loup-garou  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:19:15am

re: #622 Nevergiveup

it was just posted on BNO twitter ... charles is on twitter also

642 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:19:24am

re: #625 Dustyvet

Better idea let's trade Kerry for the Captain...

How stupid do you think the pirates are?
/

643 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:19:30am

re: #627 realwest

and
re: #566 pingjockey
Thanks to each of you too! I do appreciate the birthday wishes. Acutally I relish my birthday even more, cause on July 3, 2005 doctors gave me 8 months or so to live! Ha - screw 'em, only God says when! And I believe in helping Him out all I can with that!
So thank you both very much!

So ornery neither heaven nor hell will have ya'!

;-P

644 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:20:07am

re: #642 Nevergiveup

How stupid do you think the pirates are?
/

So much for that silver lining...:)

645 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:20:13am

re: #634 FrogMarch

Your assuming John Kerry has any capacity to be useful.
;-)

Doorstop, paperweight, bad example...

646 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:20:17am

re: #640 realwest
Heh. Nah, egg hunting is open season!

647 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:20:40am

re: #622 Nevergiveup

Were did you get that from?

Sorry, multitasking with the lap top, Fox news. That makes 8 ships/boats being held, some for a few months.

648 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:20:47am

re: #645 Killer Tomato

Doorstop, paperweight, bad example...

Boat anchor...

649 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:21:00am

re: #573 laZardo
Hey laZardo! Thank you very much - how are you doing? I can tell by the tenor of some of your comments that you're still in school, right? When are you going to get out of there graduate?

650 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:21:48am

re: #636 avanti

True, even Ike would defer to the guys that deal with issues like this, but he probably would be more involved then the typical POTUS.

Then why isn't Obama?

Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps.

651 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:21:53am

re: #638 Nevergiveup

Partly because the pirates graduate from "Pirating 101" and they have about 50 other hostages of various nationalities on those pirate ships and shore facilities.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

This is what we get for paying 'em off.

A rock and a hard place.

When it's over a cruise missile will pass through a tent and hit a camel in the butt to show 'em who's boss.

652 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:22:01am

re: #639 sattv4u2

[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

Well it's getting awful close to the time that we are going to have to go back into Somalia for some hard hitting, lightning quick strikes. But this time with massive overwhelming disproportionate force. And then some.

653 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:22:16am

re: #579 nyc redneck
Thanks {nyc redneck} I appreciate it very much!

654 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:22:22am

re: #648 Dustyvet

Boat anchor...

Friggin' sea kittens would throw him back.

655 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:22:22am

Funny dressing castle dweller says I stink.....
Pope warns of 'a desert of godlessness' in Good Friday address

If I had a golden staff I'd make cool speeches too.

656 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:00am

re: #649 realwest

I'm past the halfway mark for sure, though being a transfer student in a school that follows a flow-chart for its entire program throws a wrench in the works.

You can say that recent events have inspired me to finally get around to taking the (yes, it is indeed mandatory at my college) community service program.

657 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:17am

re: #651 jcm

Yeah, yeah, I know.

This is what we get for paying 'em off.

A rock and a hard place.

When it's over a cruise missile will pass through a tent and hit a camel in the butt to show 'em who's boss.

Yeah but it might be the highlight of that camel's life?

658 vxbush  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:23am
659 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:24am

re: #655 Killgore Trout

Funny dressing castle dweller says I stink.....
Pope warns of 'a desert of godlessness' in Good Friday address

If I had a golden staff I'd make cool speeches too.

Please don't be so rude. There is no call to be so insulting.

660 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:38am

re: #650 sattv4u2

Maybe the teleprompter is on strike.

661 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:42am

re: #655 Killgore Trout
Mwahaha! Not enough coffee, thought you wrote Golden calf! More caffine...stat!

662 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:47am

re: #580 Dustyvet ROFL! Dusty you just slay me - that's very funny, thanks again!

663 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:24:07am

re: #656 laZardo

I'm past the halfway mark for sure, though being a transfer student in a school that follows a flow-chart for its entire program throws a wrench in the works.

You can say that recent events have inspired me to finally get around to taking the (yes, it is indeed mandatory at my college) community service program.

Volunteer to teach the Eddie Eagle gun safety class for kids.
;-)

664 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:24:12am

re: #659 goddessoftheclassroom

thank you.

665 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:24:15am

re: #655 Killgore Trout

Funny dressing castle dweller says I stink.....
Pope warns of 'a desert of godlessness' in Good Friday address

If I had a golden staff I'd make cool speeches too.

I've "seen" your oratoricle skills. It would take more than a golden staff!

666 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:24:30am

re: #657 Nevergiveup

Yeah but it might be the highlight of that camel's life?

ROFL!

667 loup-garou  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:24:31am

NATO officials say 10 Italians among 16 crew on tugboat which was reported hijacked in Gulf of Aden - Reuters

-- during the most Holy week in Christendom ---

668 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:24:42am

re: #662 realwest

ROFL! Dusty you just slay me - that's very funny, thanks again!

Welcome...:)

669 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:26:00am

Good Rainy Saturday Morning.

Oh look! More good news...

PAC money flowing to Mass. delegation
Donations on rise since '08 political power shift

The Massachusetts delegation in the US House of Representatives is reaping the financial rewards of Democrats' return to power, attracting increasing amounts of campaign cash from Washington's influential business and labor union lobbies.

Since their party regained House control in 2006, the state's 10-member, all-Democrat delegation has secured the chairmanships of one major House committee, one select committee, and five subcommittees. And with those powerful posts comes more fund-raising leverage.

Donations from special-interest political action committees, or PACs, comprised 45 percent of the delegation's campaign collections during the 2008 election, jumping from 33 percent of the total in 2004, the last time Republicans won a majority in the House.

In raw dollars, the increase in PAC money flowing to the delegation also was striking, rising to $4.6 million, from $3.2 million in 2004, a 44 percent increase.

670 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:26:01am

re: #626 jcm

Capt. Phillips is 300 miles out with four pirates.

Why isn't every other pirate, pirate ship and shore facility under attack now?

Because we're gathering information on exactly which ships and facilities those are.

If you've watched the military prepare for operations at all over the last several years, you'll know that they are nothing if not patient and meticulous. They're not going to do anything until they have as much information as they can possibly squeeze out of the situation, and their decision on what action to take will be based on the sum of that information - not on an overabundance of testosterone or too many viewings of Tom Clancy movies.

671 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:26:07am

re: #655 Killgore Trout

re: #659 goddessoftheclassroom

Please don't be so rude. There is no call to be so insulting.

It's what he does on that subject. 2 ways to deal with it. Ignore, or please see my 665 as an "response"

672 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:27:03am

re: #655 Killgore Trout

Funny dressing castle dweller says I stink.....
Pope warns of 'a desert of godlessness' in Good Friday address

If I had a golden staff I'd make cool speeches too.

/must you rag on Christianity this weekend?

673 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:27:10am

re: #670 SixDegrees

Because we're gathering information on exactly which ships and facilities those are.

If you've watched the military prepare for operations at all over the last several years, you'll know that they are nothing if not patient and meticulous. They're not going to do anything until they have as much information as they can possibly squeeze out of the situation, and their decision on what action to take will be based on the sum of that information - not on an overabundance of testosterone or too many viewings of Tom Clancy movies.

As long as there is a follow up.

674 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:27:19am

re: #661 pingjockey

Heh.

675 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:27:34am

I've got to go, dear Lizards. Have a blessed day.

676 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:28:29am

re: #674 Killgore Trout
However, I don't know how well that'd go over with you dressed Like Edward G. Robinson?!

677 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:28:39am

re: #655 Killgore Trout

Truly unnecessary comment. He is doing his job. Tomorrow is Easter Sunday and just a tiny bit of respect would be much appreciated.

678 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:28:39am

You guys are touchy this morning.

679 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:28:41am

re: #669 loppyd

yippee! Now all we need is a bunch of people to run for office.

680 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:28:43am

re: #663 jcm

Just look in the barrel, and pull the trigger!

681 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:28:45am

re: #585 Killian Bundy Hey Killian, Happy Birthday to you too! LOL!
Remember back to last year - you're joking right?
Five years ago, I'd a remembered, one year ago, not so much!
Woot - Happy Birthday and ARIES RULE!

682 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:29:11am

re: #675 goddessoftheclassroom
{GOTC} Have a good weekend and Happy Easter.

683 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:29:27am

re: #586 Thanos
Hey thanks Thanos - I appreciate seeing another one!
Hope you're well today!

684 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:30:13am

re: #675 goddessoftheclassroom

Cheers, and thanks.

685 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:30:36am

re: #589 jcm LOL! Thank you very kindly jcm! LOL!

686 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:31:09am

re: #680 laZardo

Just look in the barrel, and pull the trigger!


[Video]

LOL!

687 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:31:12am

re: #464 Killian Bundy

If U.S. Special Ops has a plan to wipe out the pirate bases, but the White House won't approve it, then responsibility for continuing pirate depredations on U.S. shipping lies with the White House.

Strategically speaking Obama clearly has decided to abandon the U.S. "Athenian" military strategy, which was to become a military superpower, and then use our superior military power to protect our allies. In exchange, we received favorable trading arrangements, and could forestall military buildups by allies and potential rivals by promising military protection.

By abandoning that strategy, Obama is ensuring military buildups by our allies and others, making the world a more dangerous place.

688 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:31:43am
674 Killgore Trout
4/11/09 7:27:19 am reply quote 0downupfavoritereport

re: #661 pingjockey

Heh.

675 goddessoftheclassroom
4/11/09 7:27:34 am reply quote 0downupfavoritereport

I've got to go, dear Lizards. Have a blessed day.

/close my eyes, who's going to win this contest?

689 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:31:57am

BI Targets Scammers Posing as Minors to Target Would-Be Pedophiles
Saturday, April 11, 2009
By Mike Levine
PrintShareThis
Sexual predators who victimize children on the Internet are now becoming targets of a different kind of online predator – and law enforcement officials are hunting them all down.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The FBI is currently investigating a man and woman in Miamisburg, Ohio, who allegedly engaged seven men, including a middle school teacher in New York, in sexually explicit conversations on the Internet and then "tricked" them into divulging personal information and financial records, according to court documents obtained by Fox News.

The man and woman also allegedly tried to extort money from some of the men by threatening to reveal the men's sexually explicit conversations online, according to the court documents.

Seems like a Win Win situation to me?

690 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:32:05am

re: #685 realwest

LOL! Thank you very kindly jcm! LOL!

And, many, many more!

691 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:32:12am

re: #591 sattv4u2
Sigh. Well I know I can ALWAYS count on you to try to pee on my parade!
:)
I'm actually 64, not 94 you dolt! But don't tell anyone how old I am, ok?!

692 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:33:13am

re: #687 quickjustice

If U.S. Special Ops has a plan to wipe out the pirate bases, but the White House won't approve it, then responsibility for continuing pirate depredations on U.S. shipping lies with the White House.

/ya think?

693 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:33:34am

re: #687 quickjustice

Strategically speaking Obama clearly has decided to abandon the U.S. "Athenian" military strategy,

They're more worried about IMAGE, and how it will "LOOK"

The White House discussions highlight the challenges facing the Obama team as it attempts to distance itself from the Bush administration,

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

694 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:34:11am

re: #650 sattv4u2

Then why isn't Obama?

Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps.

That is Obama's decission. He has to weight the lives of the now 60 some hostages, the millions in ships and cargo, the number of innocent women, children and non pirates killed, how effective the attack will be on spread coastal villages and more.
If we went in, and killed say 30% of the pirates, they'd just recruit more in a few weeks, there is no real infrastructural to rebuild. It's like bombing the poor neighborhoods to reduce car jacking.
I'd prefer a "no ransom" policy. It would risk some innocent life in the first few rescues, but once they learned they'd get no money and die, it would stop.

695 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:34:18am

re: #691 realwest

Sigh. Well I know I can ALWAYS count on you to try to pee on my parade!
:)
I'm actually 64, not 94 you dolt! But don't tell anyone how old I am, ok?!

hehehehe,, congrats ,,, I'm not too far behind you (lets just say it's less than a decade!)

696 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:34:31am

re: #687 quickjustice

Or maybe they just don't want another Blackhawk Down scenario, one that could get particularly nasty especially now that there are lots of hostages involved.

697 VioletTiger  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:34:42am

Must go and do the baking for tomorrow.

I hope all the Jewish lizards had a splendid Passover and that all the Christian lizards will have a lovely Easter.

Cheers!

698 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:35:08am

re: #691 realwest

Sigh. Well I know I can ALWAYS count on you to try to pee on my parade!
:)
I'm actually 64, not 94 you dolt! But don't tell anyone how old I am, ok?!

699 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:35:17am

re: #697 VioletTiger
Have a very fine weekend.

700 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:35:24am

Rick Moran is feeling the heat....
IF YOU CAN’T BEAT ‘EM, JOIN ‘EM

I will let you in on a little secret; if I knew in advance that a post of mine was going to get the kind of attention that was given my recent rant against Glenn Beck, I would not write it. Unless you are brain dead or a disciple of the Marquis de Sade, exposing oneself to the kind of personal attacks on my character, my heritage, my intelligence, and alas, even the quality of my writing is hard on the ego not to mention an emotional downer. Anyone who says it wouldn’t bother them is either lying or has never had it happen to them.
.....
I see the error of my ways. And this goes for anything I say about the GOP too. No more dire pronouncements of electoral disaster. From here on out, it’s tea parties and triumph at the polls for me. I promise to ignore polls that don’t have Republicans sweeping to victory in 2010. And I will enthusiastically cover the tea parties that are going to change America.

I love this Glad Game. I’m warming to it already. It’s so much more fun when you simply follow the herd. And if it leads over a cliff, so what? Since we’re playing the Glad Game I would simply say I’ve never jumped out of an airplane without a parachute before so going over a cliff will be an exciting, new experience for me. And who knows? Maybe when we hit the ground, it will be made up of chocolate ice cream and marshmallows so we can come in for a soft landing and eat a lot of good sweet stuff at the same time!

It sure will feel good to be popular again.

701 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:35:42am

re: #693 sattv4u2

Strategically speaking Obama clearly has decided to abandon the U.S. "Athenian" military strategy,

They're more worried about IMAGE, and how it will "LOOK"

The White House discussions highlight the challenges facing the Obama team as it attempts to distance itself from the Bush administration,

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

That's the same crap we heard coming out of the Clinton White House and we all know how that turned out?

702 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:35:44am

re: #601 yesandno Hey thanks yesandno! We had some BAD damn t-storms, hail and tornadoes down here - down by Indian Trail, a tornado took out one house and damaged several others.
So I'm grateful for the beautiful weather today and appreciate the birthday wishes!

703 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:36:04am

re: #694 avanti

That is Obama's decission. He has to weight the lives of the now 60 some hostages, the millions in ships and cargo, the number of innocent women, children and non pirates killed, how effective the attack will be on spread coastal villages and more.
If we went in, and killed say 30% of the pirates, they'd just recruit more in a few weeks, there is no real infrastructural to rebuild. It's like bombing the poor neighborhoods to reduce car jacking.
I'd prefer a "no ransom" policy. It would risk some innocent life in the first few rescues, but once they learned they'd get no money and die, it would stop.

Carter traded 55 hostages for 30 years of State sponsored terror from Iran.

Everything has consequences.

704 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:36:12am

re: #694 avanti

That is Obama's decission. He has to weight the lives of the now 60 some hostages, the millions in ships and cargo, the number of innocent women, children and non pirates killed, how effective the attack will be on spread coastal villages and more.
If we went in, and killed say 30% of the pirates, they'd just recruit more in a few weeks, there is no real infrastructural to rebuild. It's like bombing the poor neighborhoods to reduce car jacking.
I'd prefer a "no ransom" policy. It would risk some innocent life in the first few rescues, but once they learned they'd get no money and die, it would stop.

PICK A SIDE. In one post, you stated that Ike deffered to his military advisors. In this one, you're stating it's Obamas decision. I have NEVER said strike a base. I have ALWAYS said strike the mother ship, the ship from where the skiffs are luanched. The ship that has NO hostages on it, not the hijacked ships

705 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:37:05am

re: #602 notutopia
Thank you notutopia! I hope you're doing well today?!

706 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:37:07am

re: #679 Killer Tomato

yippee! Now all we need is a bunch of people to run for office.

When Ted goes away we need to draft someone Mitt-esque.

707 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:37:30am

re: #704 sattv4u2

PICK A SIDE. In one post, you stated that Ike deffered to his military advisors. In this one, you're stating it's Obamas decision. I have NEVER said strike a base. I have ALWAYS said strike the mother ship, the ship from where the skiffs are luanched. The ship that has NO hostages on it, not the hijacked ships

Actually the Pirates are keeping some hostages on those mother ships as protection.

708 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:38:26am

re: #706 loppyd

When Ted goes away we need to draft someone Mitt-esque.

Ted's never going away, don't ya remember he is frozen? Oh that Ted...never mind.

709 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:38:52am

Happy Birthday to {realwest}

MMMMWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

710 aussiemagpie  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:38:56am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

HAPPY BIRTHDAY REALWEST!

*SMOOCH* *SMOOCH* *SMOOCH* *SMOOCH* *SMOOCH*

711 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:39:13am

My Mother ship sent me out to get milk and bread, when I returned it was gone...:)

712 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:39:17am

re: #694 avanti

You making the argument from 1787 about appeasing the pirates. Thomas Jefferson rejected that policy. "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." Works for me.

We don't need to get bogged down in these locales. Periodic military sweeps wiping out pirate bases and encampments are enough, combined with a lucrative bounty program. Make it profitable for bounty-hunters to kill pirates.

713 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:39:41am

re: #700 Killgore Trout

Rick Moran is feeling the heat....
IF YOU CAN’T BEAT ‘EM, JOIN ‘EM

Rick Moran? Oh noes, who the [expletive deleted] is he?

/and why the [expletive deleted] should anyone care, besides you?

714 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:40:56am

Good morning. The Somali Pirates are apparently now looking for a way out, that will not involve jail time according to a Somali Maritime expert.
If they give up Captain Phillips do we keep a bargain not to arrest them?
Remember, the pirates reneged on a deal to exchange Phillips for a hostage pirate when they got their guy back.

715 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:41:36am

re: #707 Nevergiveup
So, do we sacrifice the hostages to wipe out the pirates? That is basically where we are. I know the military, if you are a member of the armed forces, you as a hostage are expendable to get the terrorists. On the other hand, the military hates to get civilians killed. There is our sticking point.

716 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:09am

re: #714 opnion

Good morning. The Somali Pirates are apparently now looking for a way out, that will not involve jail time according to a Somali Maritime expert.
If they give up Captain Phillips do we keep a bargain not to arrest them?
Remember, the pirates reneged on a deal to exchange Phillips for a hostage pirate when they got their guy back.

I don't want to arrest them? Sure agree not to arrest them. Hint Hint.

717 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:15am

re: #708 Nevergiveup

Ted's never going away, don't ya remember he is frozen? Oh that Ted...never mind.

Did you know his creepy son died?

718 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:21am

re: #694 avanti

That is Obama's decission. He has to weight the lives of the now 60 some hostages, the millions in ships and cargo, the number of innocent women, children and non pirates killed, how effective the attack will be on spread coastal villages and more.
If we went in, and killed say 30% of the pirates, they'd just recruit more in a few weeks, there is no real infrastructural to rebuild. It's like bombing the poor neighborhoods to reduce car jacking.
I'd prefer a "no ransom" policy. It would risk some innocent life in the first few rescues, but once they learned they'd get no money and die, it would stop.

So killing Nazis was a real bad idea?

719 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:29am

re: #713 Killian Bundy
Who's Rick Moran?

720 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:36am

re: #714 opnion

Good morning. The Somali Pirates are apparently now looking for a way out, that will not involve jail time according to a Somali Maritime expert.
If they give up Captain Phillips do we keep a bargain not to arrest them?
Remember, the pirates reneged on a deal to exchange Phillips for a hostage pirate when they got their guy back.

If they give Captain Phillips back unharmed, I would PROMISE the pirates NO jail time and NO charges!

I would give them one bullet each, however

721 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:38am

re: #714 opnion

Good morning. The Somali Pirates are apparently now looking for a way out, that will not involve jail time according to a Somali Maritime expert.
If they give up Captain Phillips do we keep a bargain not to arrest them?
Remember, the pirates reneged on a deal to exchange Phillips for a hostage pirate when they got their guy back.


I'd agree to no jail time...12 riflemen and a brick wall works for me...:)

722 Sunlight  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:41am

re: #594 VioletTiger

Well said.
I have less and less respect for celebrities. What about of spoiled whiny assed brats. They live in a fantasy world.

It may be a fantasy world, but he speaks "the truth" for our current administration. We better not dismiss it thinking that reasonable people will keep helping stop genocide when we can or will even assert protection or rescue for American citizens. By not immediately trouncing the pirates, the administration has clarified that the pirates' well-being is valued more than the lives and freedom of movement of Americans, even if they are on aid missions. Remember that the captain jumped into the water and our U.S. Navy, which was on scene, did not have snipers take out the pirates. They allowed the captain to be re-captured (and what are they doing to him now?).

723 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:46am

re: #714 opnion

Good morning. The Somali Pirates are apparently now looking for a way out, that will not involve jail time according to a Somali Maritime expert.
If they give up Captain Phillips do we keep a bargain not to arrest them?
Remember, the pirates reneged on a deal to exchange Phillips for a hostage pirate when they got their guy back.

No jail time is fine with me.......
Davy Jones locker is the place for them.

724 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:43:09am

re: #714 opnion

Good morning. The Somali Pirates are apparently now looking for a way out, that will not involve jail time according to a Somali Maritime expert.
If they give up Captain Phillips do we keep a bargain not to arrest them?
Remember, the pirates reneged on a deal to exchange Phillips for a hostage pirate when they got their guy back.

It's Easter weekend so I am not going to say what I really think we should do.

725 avanti  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:43:20am

re: #704 sattv4u2

PICK A SIDE. In one post, you stated that Ike deffered to his military advisors. In this one, you're stating it's Obamas decision. I have NEVER said strike a base. I have ALWAYS said strike the mother ship, the ship from where the skiffs are luanched. The ship that has NO hostages on it, not the hijacked ships

Your talking apples and oranges. The first issue was saving the captain and killing 4 pirates, a E-4 could plan that. When it comes as I said to a international issue, the POTUS has the Con. In this case, there is no "mother ship" in the area.

726 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:44:01am

re: #719 pingjockey

Who's Rick Moran?

I have no idea.

/and I'm not going to Google it

727 laZardo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:44:12am

Gonna work on my finals week projects now. Cheers.

728 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:44:30am

re: #726 Killian Bundy
Heh. That's why I asked.

729 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:45:05am

re: #727 laZardo
Good luck, do well!

730 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:45:10am

re: #715 pingjockey

So, do we sacrifice the hostages to wipe out the pirates? That is basically where we are. I know the military, if you are a member of the armed forces, you as a hostage are expendable to get the terrorists. On the other hand, the military hates to get civilians killed. There is our sticking point.

It's a tough one. I would not advocate blowing the boats out of the water and the hell with the hostages, but I would stand behind a well planed rescue attempt that always brings with it the risk that some hostages might not survive. The worst thing we could do is pay more ransom and let this travesty continue.

731 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:45:19am

re: #725 avanti

Your talking apples and oranges. The first issue was saving the captain and killing 4 pirates, a E-4 could plan that. When it comes as I said to a international issue, the POTUS has the Con. In this case, there is no "mother ship" in the area.

And again, like yesterday, you want the USA to go along with what the INTERNATIONAL community says

SIMPLE ,,,,, take a US citizen hostage,,, hijack a US owened or flagged vessel, meet the US military

732 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:45:36am

re: #716 Nevergiveup

I don't want to arrest them? Sure agree not to arrest them. Hint Hint.

That's what I think. This is not an honorable enemy army, they are thuggish thieves & no agreement with them should have any force.
They need to be killed & captured in their land bases as well.

733 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:45:52am

re: #717 loppyd

Did you know his creepy son died?

I think I heard that--so who has "custody" of Ted Williams now?

734 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:46:35am

re: #733 Nevergiveup

I think I heard that--so who has "custody" of Ted Williams now?

Ben and Jerrys, I think!

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD

735 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:47:11am

I'm sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseam , but I wasn't around for most of yesterday.

Would I be correct in my assumption that there was an order from the top not to fire on the Somalis? I ask because I would think the second that captain jumped off the life boat a hail of hellfire would have landed on the pirates.

736 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:47:38am

re: #733 Nevergiveup

I think I heard that--so who has "custody" of Ted Williams now?

I don't know...

737 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:47:59am

re: #730 Nevergiveup
That is my thinking. Rescue attempt with the best chance for the hostages survival, but if we lose some while wiping out these vermin I will apologise now to the families. If we don't stomp on these rats it is just going to continue. What the fuck happens if they take a cruise ship with 1000 people on board?

738 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:48:08am

re: #720 sattv4u2

re: #723 jcm
I would settle for capture, but if they resist then you have to kill them.
I do not want any of our sailors or Marines killed because of this scum.

739 Wishing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:48:14am

Good morning all.
I just read that those pesky pirates seized another US vessel?
more?

740 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:48:25am

re: #730 Nevergiveup

It's a tough one. I would not advocate blowing the boats out of the water and the hell with the hostages, but I would stand behind a well planed rescue attempt that always brings with it the risk that some hostages might not survive. The worst thing we could do is pay more ransom and let this travesty continue.

i agree.
why would they stop when they have suffered no repercussions.
they have turned their piracy into a successful enterprise.
low risk
high reward.
stopping is not in their business plan.

741 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:48:56am

re: #713 Killian Bundy

Rick Moran? Oh noes, who the [expletive deleted] is he?

/and why the [expletive deleted] should anyone care, besides you?

He's a right wing blogger who criticized Glenn Beck.

742 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:49:06am

re: #735 loppyd

One would have to assume that decisions are being made in Washington, either at the White House or Pentagon, and not by the captain on scene.

743 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:49:16am

re: #737 pingjockey


What the fuck happens if they take a cruise ship with 1000 people on board?

My mom said as much yesterday. She works in the travel business and it has been discussed at high levels in her company.

744 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:49:27am

re: #738 opnion
As a retired squid, most of the military is willing to take that chance to end this menance. That is what we're paid for.

745 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:50:02am

re: #737 pingjockey

That is my thinking. Rescue attempt with the best chance for the hostages survival, but if we lose some while wiping out these vermin I will apologise now to the families. If we don't stomp on these rats it is just going to continue. What the fuck happens if they take a cruise ship with 1000 people on board?

Then they would have to cater to 1000 whiny, spoiled, rich bitch over indulged vacationers. That might just cure them?

746 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:50:05am

re: #714 opnion

Good morning. The Somali Pirates are apparently now looking for a way out, that will not involve jail time according to a Somali Maritime expert.
If they give up Captain Phillips do we keep a bargain not to arrest them?
Remember, the pirates reneged on a deal to exchange Phillips for a hostage pirate when they got their guy back.

No jail time. Just one finger, chopped off.

747 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:50:10am

re: #739 Wishing

Good morning all.
I just read that those pesky pirates seized another US vessel?
more?

Seafarers official: Pirates hijack US tugboat

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) - The head of the East African Seafarers' Assistance Program says Somali pirates have hijacked an American-owned tugboat with 16 crew in the Gulf of Aden.

748 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:50:12am

re: #742 sattv4u2

One would have to assume that decisions are being made in Washington, either at the White House or Pentagon, and not by the captain on scene.

Thanks. You confirmed it.

Now my second question.

W......T.........F........?

749 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:50:27am

re: #743 loppyd
I'll bet it has. That is the nightmare scenario.

750 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:50:34am

re: #725 avanti

Your talking apples and oranges. The first issue was saving the captain and killing 4 pirates, a E-4 could plan that. When it comes as I said to a international issue, the POTUS has the Con. In this case, there is no "mother ship" in the area.

What do you want to do, give them TARP money?

751 aussiemagpie  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:51:14am

re: #744 pingjockey

Happy Anniversary for the other day! :-)

752 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:51:34am

re: #750 opnion

What do you want to do, give them TARP money?

Give them the toxic assets!
/

753 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:51:37am

re: #750 opnion

What do you want to do, give them TARP money?

I'd be willing to do that as long as Barney Frank delivered it personally ,,,


oh ,, wait ,, Frank ,,, pirates ,,, nahhh ,,,, he'd like that too much!

754 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:51:56am

re: #749 pingjockey

I'll bet it has. That is the nightmare scenario.

It's hard enough to sell leisure travel without the added fear of savages hijacking your cruise ship.

755 Wishing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:52:06am

Does anyone know if today is realwest's birthday?

756 lifeofthemind  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:52:11am

re: #739 Wishing

Good morning all.
I just read that those pesky pirates seized another US vessel?
more?

That tears it. Things now start to unravel fast. The amateur hour are hitting the wall.

757 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:52:22am

re: #751 aussiemagpie
Thank you very much!

758 Sunlight  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:52:30am

re: #730 Nevergiveup

It's a tough one. I would not advocate blowing the boats out of the water and the hell with the hostages, but I would stand behind a well planed rescue attempt that always brings with it the risk that some hostages might not survive. The worst thing we could do is pay more ransom and let this travesty continue.

He jumped out into the water yesterday, giving our military (which was on scene) a chance to use snipers (which is what the left always says we should do in every case)... nothing happened and they recaptured Captain Phillips. WTH. Obama has made his statement by not letting the Navy fire. He has revealed his loyalty and his ethics of whose life is more important to him.

759 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:52:48am

re: #755 Wishing
Ummmmm YES!

760 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:52:56am

re: #737 pingjockey

That is my thinking. Rescue attempt with the best chance for the hostages survival, but if we lose some while wiping out these vermin I will apologise now to the families. If we don't stomp on these rats it is just going to continue. What the fuck happens if they take a cruise ship with 1000 people on board?

That the problem. If we keep paying them for 20, 30 or 50 people eventually they'll grab a liner.

We've been a while getting here, but part of the problem lies in that countries, shipping companies have paid in the past.

The problem is bad now. But will only get worse if the pirate world is not rocked.

This is also a test of Obama and every Thug in the world is watching.

761 Wishing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:52:59am

re: #756 lifeofthemind

That tears it. Things now start to unravel fast. The amateur hour are hitting the wall.

They smell fear and move in for some additional *funding*.

762 Wishing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:53:17am

re: #759 pingjockey

Ummmmm YES!

Thanks!

763 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:53:21am

Home made wall of death

764 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:53:38am

re: #609 FrogMarch
Hey FrogMarch! Great link - but you know, I'm more than willing to help President Obama out here. No, really.
It's simple Mr. President. We are now in the arena of foreign affairs. You - whether you are aware of it or not, your VP "Plugs" Biden is - YOU are being tested by America's enemies. Here is an EXCELLENT opportunity with minimum risk to stand up and leave any doubts about your capabilites in a foreign cirisis in the dust:
a) send one or two Navy Aircraft Carrier Battle groups to where those pirates are huddled in their lifeboat WAITING FOR REINFORCEMENTS NO LESS;,
b) have the aircraft (and maybe a few Tomahawks) destroy ALL the Pirate towns (I mean really, who the hell is gonna bitch atcha for whacking Somalia anyway?)
c) send some SEALS in under cover of darkness in our own little rigid small boats and take over that Lifeboat.
d) when the Pirate Reinforcements get there, let them look at ALL THE SMOKE on the horizon where their bases USED TO BE and what Motherships stayed in port USED TO BE and then politely ask them to turn over all the hostages on the "Reinforcement" foreign Ships, return the foreign ships to their rightful owners (our Navy can take over control until the Norweigans and others show up to claim their ships) and
e) go on TV, tell everyone how much it pained you to take such drastic action in which, MAYBE some "innocent" civilians were killed but after all, you'd act the same way when any American's abroad were endangered and want the World to know that; and finally
f) send DVD's (in the proper format, of course) to Putin, Ahmadinnerjacket and Lil Kim of the death and destruction we wrought on those Pirate sanctuaries.
Then get the hell off TV!

765 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:53:42am

re: #755 Wishing

Does anyone know if today is realwest's birthday?

It is, it is!

766 Miss Trixie  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:53:43am

&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to you &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to you &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday my Dear realwest &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to you! &#9836 &#9834

And many mooooooooooooooooore!

:D

*smoochie-smooch* 10
*hug*

:D

767 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:53:43am

re: #739 Wishing

Good morning all.
I just read that those pesky pirates seized another US vessel?
more?

See, now that we elected Obama, his fabulousness has made us safer & more respected.
Whatever else people may think, Regan & I believe W would have had this situation settled by now.

768 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:53:52am

re: #741 Killgore Trout

He's a right wing blogger who criticized Glenn Beck.

Throw a linky.

/I doubt I'll care

769 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:53:55am

re: #739 Wishing

Good morning all.
I just read that those pesky pirates seized another US vessel?
more?

I miss W.

770 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:54:12am

re: #753 sattv4u2

I'd be willing to do that as long as Barney Frank delivered it personally ,,,

oh ,, wait ,, Frank ,,, pirates ,,, nahhh ,,,, he'd like that too much!

Don't touch that hook, and where's the brain bleach...:)

771 Wishing  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:54:38am

re: #766 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to you ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to you ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday my Dear realwest ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to you! ♬ ♪

And many mooooooooooooooooore!

:D

*smoochie-smooch* 10
*hug*

:D

What she said! HB, REAL!

772 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:54:50am

re: #610 Dustyvet
Manny's going to the Yankees?!
Thanks my friend!

773 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:55:08am

re: #745 Nevergiveup

Then they would have to cater to 1000 whiny, spoiled, rich bitch over indulged vacationers. That might just cure them?

I went on a cruise for my 35th birthday!
*checks mirror*
Nope. Not whiny, spoiled, overindulged or a rich bitch.

774 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:55:50am

re: #766 Miss Trixie

Whoa, pass the insulin and a fire extinguisher, please!

Happy Birthday, realwest!

775 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:56:22am

re: #764 realwest

send DVD's (in the proper format, of course) to Putin, Ahmadinnerjacket and Lil Kim of the death and destruction we wrought on those Pirate sanctuaries.

Load up the vids on an iPod.

776 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:56:47am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Happy B-day realwest!

777 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:56:48am

re: #620 Killer Tomato
Hey Killer! Uh (burp, excuse me) no, no the cake's all gone! Some sonofagun glutton ate it all (burps, excuse me again)!
Thank you very much!

778 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:56:57am

re: #753 sattv4u2

I'd be willing to do that as long as Barney Frank delivered it personally ,,,


oh ,, wait ,, Frank ,,, pirates ,,, nahhh ,,,, he'd like that too much!

This makes me want to make a joke about Barney watching BHO bend over for the Saudi King, but I won't.

779 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:57:33am

re: #775 itellu3times

LOL

780 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:58:41am

re: #777 realwest

Hey Killer! Uh (burp, excuse me) no, no the cake's all gone! Some sonofagun glutton ate it all (burps, excuse me again)!
Thank you very much!

NORAD is investigating a thermal bloom in the Charlotte area.... just how many candles again?

781 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:58:44am

re: #769 loppyd

I miss W.

Bush didn't exactly distinguish himself on the issue of piracy either. But Obama's aloofness and silence on the subject is troubling. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find any mention of how the Administration is dealing with the issue on the WH website.

The message being sent to Americans overseas is a troubling one. You're on your own.

782 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:59:59am

re: #773 Killer Tomato

I went on a cruise for my 35th birthday!
*checks mirror*
Nope. Not whiny, spoiled, overindulged or a rich bitch.

I was just kidding

783 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:00:06am

re: #781 lawhawk

Bush didn't exactly distinguish himself on the issue of piracy either. But Obama's aloofness and silence on the subject is troubling. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find any mention of how the Administration is dealing with the issue on the WH website.

The message being sent to Americans overseas is a troubling one. You're on your own.

Agreed on your first point, but I know in my heart of hearts this situation would be handled differently by Bush.

784 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:00:16am

re: #781 lawhawk

Bush didn't exactly distinguish himself on the issue of piracy either. But Obama's aloofness and silence on the subject is troubling. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find any mention of how the Administration is dealing with the issue on the WH website.

The message being sent to Americans overseas is a troubling one. You're on your own.

It's been going on too long, and the response to date has been to pay up.

785 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:01:03am

re: #781 lawhawk

Kind of like the preacher in Blazing Saddles..."You're on your own son".

786 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:01:54am

re: #659 goddessoftheclassroom Hey {goddess} don't be upset, that's just Kilgore being Kilgore!

787 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:02:20am

'Somali Pirate King, Abdul Abdul, Next Oprah"

788 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:03:00am

re: #782 Nevergiveup

I was just kidding

Oh there were a number of whiny, spoiled, overindulged, rich bitches on board, believe me.
Still, it was fun.

789 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:03:03am

re: #785 pingjockey

Kind of like the preacher in Blazing Saddles..."You're on your own son".

I considered Lili Von Shtupp as my nic here. Fawn Liebowitz was also in the running.

790 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:04:15am

re: #669 loppyd Good morning {loppyd} - so what you're saying is that congresscritters from Mass can be bought?!
Who'd a thunk it!

791 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:04:29am

/oh noes!

792 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:04:43am

re: #786 realwest

It's not my fault. The castle dweller started it.

793 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:04:44am

re: #714 opnion

Good morning. The Somali Pirates are apparently now looking for a way out, that will not involve jail time according to a Somali Maritime expert.
If they give up Captain Phillips do we keep a bargain not to arrest them?
Remember, the pirates reneged on a deal to exchange Phillips for a hostage pirate when they got their guy back.

Get Phillips back. Then leave. They're hundreds of miles offshore with no gas and few supplies.

There's no point in honoring any agreement with thugs. There's no Somali government that would be offended, and the idea that we would be currying favor with the rest of the pirates is ludicrous. They operate independently, so dealings with the next bunch will be entirely different. We're dealing with an anarchy here; there's no rule of law to respect, and no expectation of present deeds figuring in future dealings.

If this report is true, it's a hopeful sign that the pirates are actually negotiating. I much prefer talking them down and getting the captain back unharmed to an ill-advised assault.

794 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:06:23am

Good Morning!
Happy Birthday Realwest! May you be blessed today with peace and happiness.
/I hear miss trixie will give you a couple swats on the ass if you'll just bend over..you lucky bastard!
*Wink*

795 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:07:05am

15:16 Thousands of Germans protest against foreign military presence in Iraq (DPA

Somebody remind me again: How many German Soldiers are there in Iraq?

796 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:07:20am

The Pirates Challenge Obama's Pre-9/11 Mentality

When Somali pirates hijacked the U.S.-flagged Maersk Alabama this week and took 20 Americans hostage, President Barack Obama refused to comment. It seems that our new president is desperate to do everything he can to distance himself from his predecessor, which is why his team has launched a campaign to rebrand the War on Terror. The results are mystifying. "Overseas contingency operations" is the new name for the war, while "man-caused disasters" is a euphemism for terrorist attacks.

Excellent read if you so desire.

797 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:07:36am

AS locals know the Chicago Southside St. Pats Parade has been disbanded because of bad crowd behavior.
A letter to the Editor in the Chicago Tribune pointed out that the Parade is canceled because of public urination, disorderly conduct, & drunkedness.
The writer asks ,'Then why let the Cubs open their season?"

798 VegasRick  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:07:37am

re: #787 opnion

'Somali Pirate King, Abdul Abdul, Next Oprah"

I wish this whole obambi thing was just a bad movie that I could get up and walk out of.

799 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:08:44am

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov made it clear Saturday that Moscow had no intention of being tougher with Tehran in order to please Washington.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I wonder if Obama ever gets tired of being told to go "Fuck Yourself"?

800 Miss Trixie  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:08:45am

re: #794 HoosierHoops

Good Morning!
Happy Birthday Realwest! May you be blessed today with peace and happiness.
/I hear miss trixie will give you a couple swats on the ass if you'll just bend over..you lucky bastard!
*Wink*

Well he DOES have buns o' steel ya know. :D

801 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:09:20am

re: #792 Killgore Trout

It's not my fault. The castle dweller started it.

/lick yourself, or well over 100.000 people will

802 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:09:24am

re: #696 laZardo
Nah, there won't be another Blackhawk Down scenario, Clinton isn't President anymore!
Of course, if you mean there may be US casualties well then you're right. Freedom really doesn't come Free.

803 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:10:11am

Conservative bloggers go to war

Other than that, Donald Douglas and others should stop going after Johnson (and people like Rick Moran who seems to agree more than disagree with Johnson these days). He is one of the leading conservative members of the blogosphere. He’s anti-Islamic extremism, anti-terrorism, pro-tolerance, anti-hate, anti-racism, anti-xenophobia, pro-conservative values, economic and social freedom. He belongs in the conservative movement, and he was right to warn the so-called “anti-Jihad” and the “conservative” blogospheres against the dangers of racist movements, both in the U.S. and Europe.

Stop waging war on the man, and embrace him for what he is: a great conservative blogger, who understands that the war on extremism isn’t a war on all those who belong to a certain religion (in this case Islam), who believes extremism and intolerance of all kinds have to be opposed, and who’s able to defend Western values and conservative principles in a rational, tolerant and calm demeanor. We need more, not less of those.

804 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:10:49am

re: #698 Dustyvet
I just KNEW someone would get around to posting that, shoulda figured it'd be someone who's even older than I am!
:)

805 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:11:29am

re: #793 SixDegrees

Get Phillips back. Then leave. They're hundreds of miles offshore with no gas and few supplies.

There's no point in honoring any agreement with thugs. There's no Somali government that would be offended, and the idea that we would be currying favor with the rest of the pirates is ludicrous. They operate independently, so dealings with the next bunch will be entirely different. We're dealing with an anarchy here; there's no rule of law to respect, and no expectation of present deeds figuring in future dealings.

If this report is true, it's a hopeful sign that the pirates are actually negotiating. I much prefer talking them down and getting the captain back unharmed to an ill-advised assault.

Once we get the Captain back , the captors need to be dealt with to send a message to the other thugs & they need to be hammered in their land bases.
One poster opined that, that would just help them recruit.
That's nonsense, these guys are not fighting for a religious or political cause. THey don't want to die.

806 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:11:43am

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Great find.

807 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:13:08am

re: #798 VegasRick

I wish this whole obambi thing was just a bad movie that I could get up and walk out of.

Unfortunately this is a feature length movie & I just hope that it does not spawn a sequel.

808 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:13:26am

re: #789 loppyd
Ha!

809 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:14:02am

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Conservative bloggers go to war

Who are these people?

/you're the only one that's heard of them, besides Lawhawk

810 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:14:52am

re: #703 jcm
AMEN to that one. Although to be fair, jcm, we must also point out that Ronald Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II didn't do anything about Iran either.
That's why I thought Iraq was a mistake - it shoulda been Iran - they were then and certainly are now more dangerous to peace in the World than Iraq ever was.

811 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:14:56am

re: #795 Nevergiveup

15:16 Thousands of Germans protest against foreign military presence in Iraq (DPA

Somebody remind me again: How many German Soldiers are there in Iraq?

just a few, apparently big fat drunks doing nothing but hiding out in the safe zones.

812 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:16:02am

re: #808 pingjockey

Ha!

Animal House is in my top 5.

813 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:16:08am

re: #709 loppyd
Ah, thank you very much {loppyd}! It's very much appreciated!

814 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:16:18am

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Nuanced. Conservatives should quit picking on Charles, but Charles shouldn't pick on Glenn Beck.

815 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:16:22am

re: #807 opnion

Unfortunately this is a feature length movie & I just hope that it does not spawn a sequel.

Or the movie theater doesn't burn down with us inside?

816 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:16:48am

re: #796 loppyd

The Pirates Challenge Obama's Pre-9/11 Mentality

Excellent read if you so desire.

latrunculi, indeed.

817 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:17:26am

re: #710 aussiemagpie
Whoa! Hey there {aussie} thanks for all those smooches and here's some *smooches* back to you! and thanks for that e-card,too!

818 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:18:02am

re: #812 loppyd
Hmmm... Have to think about that one.

819 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:18:41am

re: #814 wrenchwench

Nuanced. Conservatives should quit picking on Charles, but Charles shouldn't pick on Glenn Beck.

Glenn Beck makes me embarrassed to say I listen Fox news. And then there is this Gerlado schmuck?

820 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:18:42am

back in a jif

821 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:19:40am

re: #792 Killgore Trout

It's not my fault. The castle dweller started it.

Killgore ... do you think just for this weekend maybe you could not bash Catholics ... just asking ...

822 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:20:05am

re: #810 realwest

AMEN to that one. Although to be fair, jcm, we must also point out that Ronald Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II didn't do anything about Iran either.
That's why I thought Iraq was a mistake - it shoulda been Iran - they were then and certainly are now more dangerous to peace in the World than Iraq ever was.

Funny that you say that. I thought & still think that Iran is unfinished business & a sponsor of terrorism. I agree , that is wher we should have gone.
But once our Troops were in Iraq , I became all for them getting a quick victory.

823 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:20:08am

re: #810 realwest

AMEN to that one. Although to be fair, jcm, we must also point out that Ronald Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II didn't do anything about Iran either.
That's why I thought Iraq was a mistake - it shoulda been Iran - they were then and certainly are now more dangerous to peace in the World than Iraq ever was.

Hobson's choice Iran or Iraq. We had more justification to go in Iraq. And don't disagree with you, but don't think Iraq was a complete mistake.

Iran has a better chance of regime change from within, the young Persian population is chaffing under the Islamic harness. But that has to be played right and I don't see any signs of anyone in DC who has a clue.

824 rw in san diego  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:20:57am

Good morning, all.

Good morning, realwest. Did you happen to see that I posted a link that I found in a Michael Yon email? I thought you might find it interesting.
Vanished Soldiers: American Heroes Come Home.

825 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:21:15am

re: #815 Nevergiveup

Or the movie theater doesn't burn down with us inside?

As long as we all burn equally, it will be fair.

826 aussiemagpie  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:21:32am

re: #817 realwest

Whoa! Hey there {aussie} thanks for all those smooches and here's some *smooches* back to you! and thanks for that e-card,too!

I'm glad the ecard made it to you safely :-) Thanks for the smooches too!
It's always lovely to be smooched by a gorgeous bloke :-)

827 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:21:58am

re: #821 JacksonTn

Killgore ... do you think just for this weekend maybe you could not bash Catholics ... just asking ...

Everyone refresh!

/almost as good as magic eight ball

828 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:22:42am

re: #755 Wishing
Oh! Oh! I do, I do!
Yes it is.

829 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:22:45am

re: #810 realwest

AMEN to that one. Although to be fair, jcm, we must also point out that Ronald Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II didn't do anything about Iran either.
That's why I thought Iraq was a mistake - it shoulda been Iran - they were then and certainly are now more dangerous to peace in the World than Iraq ever was.

For a whole host of reasons, we do not want to "invade" Iran. HOWEVER, we should have and still may have to take out their nuclear sites. The longer we or any other interested party wait, the harder it will be. The choices between atrociously bad and really bad is narrowing.

830 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:23:40am

re: #825 opnion

As long as we all burn equally, it will be fair.

I am more in the Al Davis and the OLD Oakland Raider camp: Just Win Baby WIN!

831 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:24:00am

re: #829 Nevergiveup
Not invade, but if we could get all the mad mullahs in one place......

832 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:24:26am

re: #831 pingjockey

Not invade, but if we could get all the mad mullahs in one place......

HELL would work for me?

833 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:24:59am

re: #832 Nevergiveup
Heh. Me too.

834 Scion9  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:26:00am

re: #811 nyc redneck

just a few, apparently big fat drunks doing nothing but hiding out in the safe zones.

Well, I'm sure a lot of them would actually like to fight. I doubt the whole lot of them actually joined the military to sit on their asses in Iraq when they could be doing it in Germany by having never signed up in the first place. Not exactly their fault that they are being ordered to sit it out.

835 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:26:12am

UK police release 1 man arrested in terror raids in northern England

Greater Manchester police say today they have released one of 12 people arrested on suspicion of planning a major terror plot.

A police spokeswoman says the 18-year-old has been handed over to the U.K. border agency for questioning about his immigration status.

She says the other 11 suspects arrested in a series of raids in northern England three days ago are still in custody and being questioned.

Most of them are Pakistani nationals who were in Britain on student visas.

British officials have not released details about the reported terror plot, which Prime Minister Gordon Brown described as "very big."

Brown has spoken with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari by telephone about the plot, but no details of the discussions have been released. The British media has suggested the plot might have been set to begin as early as this holiday weekend.

836 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:26:15am

Going up!

837 opnion  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:26:41am

re: #830 Nevergiveup

I am more in the Al Davis and the OLD Oakland Raider camp: Just Win Baby WIN!

As it is now you have a President that considers that attitude passe.
If you strive to win, that means that another loses. In this Brave New World, we should all strive to be losers.

838 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:26:50am

re: #766 Miss TrixieWhy thank you {Miss Trixie} Many, many *smooches* back to you and yes indeed, you can always


!
839 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:27:57am

This is sure shaping-up to be Biden's infamous 'test'. He fucks-up at this juncture and this is one person who will be waiting to see how fast the Mullahs shut-down the Straits of Hormuz.

840 albusteve  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:28:53am

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Conservative bloggers go to war

nice blurb...very nice

841 Miss Trixie  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:29:49am

Grrrrrrrrrrrreat video realwest! Made my day! :D

842 albusteve  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:29:52am

re: #828 realwest

Oh! Oh! I do, I do!
Yes it is.

greetings and happy birthday

843 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:30:06am

re: #831 pingjockey

Not invade, but if we could get all the mad mullahs in one place......

Qom, the holiest city in Iran. For the most part that's where they hang out.

844 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:30:34am

re: #769 loppyd
Well ya know loppyd, I really did try to help Obama out in my #764 above but it wasn't a particularly popular idea, I gather.
As long as there's money - LOTS AND LOTS of money to be made from Piracy, we're gonna continue to see this shit happen.
But what the hell, I hear Pelosi is willing to bail out the Maritime Insurance companies anyway, so it's really no big deal, right?
/extreme.

845 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:30:42am

Tomorrow's Easter, so I must be off to start the vat of sauce, sausages and meatballs. I haven't decided on the pasta yet. Stuffed shells? Ravioli?

Sister's in charge of the ham and potatoes, mother's taking care of the salad and veggies, and grandmother is getting the pastries and rolls.

Feast!

Later, all.

846 loppyd  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:31:37am

re: #845 Killer Tomato

Have a blessed day!

847 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:31:39am

re: #771 Wishing
Thank you kindly Wishing, I appreciate it very much!

848 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:32:33am

re: #774 wrenchwench
Thank you very much!

849 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:32:49am

re: #737 pingjockey

A cruise ship already has been taken with American passengers aboard. Remember "Achille Lauro"? And let me add that we finally captured the Arab terrorist who murdered unarmed American passenger Leon Klinghoffer aboard that ship in Baghdad when we captured the city in the recent war.

850 Athos  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:33:24am

re: #844 realwest

Happy Birthday Real!

851 Sunlight  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:34:39am

US hostage fails in escape bid from Somali pirates

Capt. Phillips gave the Navy the perfect chance to blow a hole in the pirates' little life boat and they didn't do it. Given that the U.S. military is fabulous, I can only imagine that the Navy was given "hold your fire" orders while Obama does a "root causes" analysis... he'll sacrifice our people to atone for these pirates' sucky lifestyles.

852 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:35:09am

re: #849 quickjustice

A cruise ship already has been taken with American passengers aboard. Remember "Achille Lauro"? And let me add that we finally captured the Arab terrorist who murdered unarmed American passenger Leon Klinghoffer aboard that ship in Baghdad when we captured the city in the recent war.

Don't forget one Congressman (at the time) Patrick Leahy of the House Intelligence committee went on the morning talking head shows and spilled enough beans to get the guy in Egypt who gave the plane killed.

853 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:36:22am

re: #776 lawhawk
Hey there my friend, thank you kindly! Hope you're well today too?!
And, very candidly, my #764 really was intended to help out Obama (and mostly America) - we don't stop making piracy profitable, it's just gonna get worse and worse.
And why shouldn't it? I mean the US Navy has a HUGE destroyer less than a mile away from that teeny life-boat and we are all waiting for PIRATE REINFORCEMENTS to arrive carrying other hostages.
Want to bet what happens if we don't do something like I suggested in #764?

854 nyc redneck  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:36:24am

re: #834 Scion9

Well, I'm sure a lot of them would actually like to fight. I doubt the whole lot of them actually joined the military to sit on their asses in Iraq when they could be doing it in Germany by having never signed up in the first place. Not exactly their fault that they are being ordered to sit it out.

it is my understanding that they don't sign up to do the heavy lifting.
has germany ever put them on the front lines? just curious.

855 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:36:55am

re: #824 rw in san diego

Good morning, all.

Good morning, realwest. Did you happen to see that I posted a link that I found in a Michael Yon email? I thought you might find it interesting.
Vanished Soldiers: American Heroes Come Home.

[Raises glass of orange juice]

To better men than I, thank you.

856 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:37:11am

re: #780 jcm
THIBBBBITTTT!

857 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:37:14am
858 Miss Trixie  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:37:45am

Have a great day { { {realwest} } } and I'll see you later. *MWAH* :D

859 pbird  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:38:11am

re: #29 jcm

Seattle we get the Blues every year, first weekend in August for Seafair.

I love them too, but there was some zooming around soon after 911 and it freaked me out on a sort of viceral level. It was just the sound so soon after.

860 freetoken  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:47:54am

re: #803 Killgore Trout

What Mr. van der Galien overlooks is that on the "right" (or a more generalized "conservative" segment) in American politics there has been a constant struggle over the years to excise two different (but sometimes overlapping) groups: the Birchers (and their associates), and the KKK (and their associates.) The latter became more of a problem after the conservative Democrats jumped shipped in the '60's, while the former haver been the primary challenge.

Ron Paul is a Bircher. While not formally a member, he was a keynote speaker at last year's 50th anniversary of the JBS, at which speech he acknowledged the importance of the JBS all through his political career and how much he believed in them. This is the "conspiracy" wing of conservatism, as well as the atavistic contingent who want to reject the idea that we are in the 21st century.

Glenn Beck, post Mormon conversion, is a devotee of Skousen, someone who rigorously defended the JBS and who outdid them in reinterpreting history through Mormon theology. Glenn Beck actively tries to propagate Skousen's beliefs.

It was important that Buckley denounced the JBS in the early 1960's and thus created a rationality-based conservatism movement that could contrast itself to the conspiracy-based (and xenophobic) right-wing that tried to establish itself in the 1950's.

It was the more rational Buckley-type conservatism that would later make people like Reagan acceptable to the American electorate.

Charles seems to understand the importance of this more than many of his blogging peers.

861 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:49:21am

re: #793 SixDegrees
Well I'd like to negotiate the Captain's release too, unfortunately when those pirate "Reinforcements" arrive, carrying many, many times more hostages (and you know that the American Tug that was just captured will be amongst them) I suspect the odds of negotiating with them goes down several notches to never gonna happen. As to

There's no point in honoring any agreement with thugs. There's no Somali government that would be offended, and the idea that we would be currying favor with the rest of the pirates is ludicrous. They operate independently, so dealings with the next bunch will be entirely different. We're dealing with an anarchy here; there's no rule of law to respect, and no expectation of present deeds figuring in future dealings.

That's why I said what I did in my #764. There is no Somali government to deal with; ALL the Pirates that I've read about call two or three "Cities" all, strangely enough, located IN Somalia, Home Ports. So Independent operators or not, we take away those home ports, where are the Pirates to operate from - someplace that maybe DOES have a government or maybe they'll (the pirates) have to learn new job skills.
I admit that some very bad people will lose their lives; and some hostages too, but they will in the future; the Maritime Insurance agencies are ONLY PAYING TO GET THE SHIPS BACK, not to protect the hostages, that's not an insurance company's job; let's do it all NOW and stop this crapping on the US and other nations (though I care not what the other nations do).

862 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:50:45am

re: #794 HoosierHoops
Why thank you Hoops! I appreciate that and Miss Trixie's already given me lots of smooches so I can do without the swats on the butt, thankew very much!

863 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:52:48am

re: #799 Nevergiveup
No, apparently he doesn't.
Course he DID work for King Daley and so is used to being told to go fuck himself!

864 rain of lead  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:53:02am

amazing tornado pics and vids
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865 rw in san diego  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:54:54am

re: #764 realwest

Wow! The Zero needs you as an advisor. And all this on your birthday.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, REALWEST!

866 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:58:09am

re: #805 opnion
Good morning opnion - just how DO we get the Captain back alive - by paying off the pirates? Still doesn't seem like a good deal to me.

And, what are we going to do when the Maritime Insurance Companies get fed up with this crap and exclude Piracy from their coverage?
Yep, exactly what we're proposing (I'd bet money on it) right now - still pay the ransom - if it's Americans - or maybe if it's any nation - from taxpayer's dollars.
I really don't understand what Obama's problem is with this - he gets to show military muscle against guys who really can't fight back effectively, in a POPULAR cause and gets the monkey of being afraid to do anything militarily overseas off his back.

867 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:59:28am

re: #811 nyc redneck
Ah, nope, that'd be Afghanistan, to my knowledge the Germans don't have any combat troops in Iraq.

868 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:03:02am

re: #823 jcm Oh - let me be clear about this: Iran first, THEN Iraq. Didn't disagee with Iraq, just saw Iran as much more of a threat.
I'll have to live with the knowledge that Richard Holbrooke (?) or whomever it was in Bush II's cabinet that resigned and has been advising Obama on foreign policy and terrorism would disagree with me.

869 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:04:50am

re: #824 rw in san diego
Hey rw, no, I'm afraid I didn't see that - thank you very much.

870 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:07:28am

re: #850 Athos Thank you Athos my friend!

871 realwest  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:12:42am

re: #865 rw in san diego
Thanks rw - but what, on my birthday not an upding?!?
/

872 Athos  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:24:42am

re: #868 realwest

Oh - let me be clear about this: Iran first, THEN Iraq. Didn't disagee with Iraq, just saw Iran as much more of a threat.
I'll have to live with the knowledge that Richard Holbrooke (?) or whomever it was in Bush II's cabinet that resigned and has been advising Obama on foreign policy and terrorism would disagree with me.

I found this very intersting in yesterday's WSJ - Holbrooke of South Asia

His face tense and unsmiling, a young man from a village in Pakistan's western tribal areas tells his story, mixing English, Pashto and Urdu. He is the only male in his clan to get an education, but can't find a job, and blames a corrupt national government. Americans are bombing his neighbors, he says, tempting him to join the Islamist militants in his area. Across the room, another Pakistani turns toward his hosts at the U.S. Embassy and says, "You are hated."....

...After the meeting, Mr. Holbrooke looks shaken, out of character for a diplomatic operator who picked up the nickname "bulldozer" a decade ago in the Balkans. As he knows, these men who spoke so directly to him are the "friendly" types from the tribal areas -- literate, ambitious and willing to risk the ire of the Taliban fighters to meet him and Adm. Mullen at the embassy.

Their home regions of North and South Waziristan and the Khyber agency are familiar place names in this long war: as the world's sanctuary to al Qaeda's leadership, as the launching pad for attacks on Western forces across the border in Afghanistan, and as the source of the Islamist challenge to the civilian government atop this rickety nuclear-armed state.

The Obama administration recently unveiled a new strategy to enlarge America's military footprint in Afghanistan and press Pakistan to act against Taliban safe havens. Mr. Holbrooke and Admiral Mullen took the policy on a regional road show this week, and at every stop got a sobering earful. While Afghanistan's troubles are monumental, the nightmare scenarios start and end with Pakistan.

873 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:26:37am

re: #856 realwest

THIBBBBITTTT!

;-P

874 jcm  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:27:42am

re: #868 realwest

Oh - let me be clear about this: Iran first, THEN Iraq. Didn't disagee with Iraq, just saw Iran as much more of a threat.
I'll have to live with the knowledge that Richard Holbrooke (?) or whomever it was in Bush II's cabinet that resigned and has been advising Obama on foreign policy and terrorism would disagree with me.

If we did Iran, maybe Saddam would have played ball and coughed up his remaining WMD etc...

Who knows.

875 Ateam  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:58:09am

re: #764 realwest

Hey FrogMarch! Great link - but you know, I'm more than willing to help President Obama out here. No, really.
It's simple Mr. President. We are now in the arena of foreign affairs. You - whether you are aware of it or not, your VP "Plugs" Biden is - YOU are being tested by America's enemies. Here is an EXCELLENT opportunity with minimum risk to stand up and leave any doubts about your capabilites in a foreign cirisis in the dust:
a) send one or two Navy Aircraft Carrier Battle groups to where those pirates are huddled in their lifeboat WAITING FOR REINFORCEMENTS NO LESS;,
b) have the aircraft (and maybe a few Tomahawks) destroy ALL the Pirate towns (I mean really, who the hell is gonna bitch atcha for whacking Somalia anyway?)
c) send some SEALS in under cover of darkness in our own little rigid small boats and take over that Lifeboat.
d) when the Pirate Reinforcements get there, let them look at ALL THE SMOKE on the horizon where their bases USED TO BE and what Motherships stayed in port USED TO BE and then politely ask them to turn over all the hostages on the "Reinforcement" foreign Ships, return the foreign ships to their rightful owners (our Navy can take over control until the Norweigans and others show up to claim their ships) and
e) go on TV, tell everyone how much it pained you to take such drastic action in which, MAYBE some "innocent" civilians were killed but after all, you'd act the same way when any American's abroad were endangered and want the World to know that; and finally
f) send DVD's (in the proper format, of course) to Putin, Ahmadinnerjacket and Lil Kim of the death and destruction we wrought on those Pirate sanctuaries.
Then get the hell off TV!

Hahaha // & Happy birthday to both of us...

876 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:15:01am

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