Totten: The Future of Iraq, Part II

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Michael J. Totten has posted the second part of his look at The Future of Iraq. A must-read, for the kind of reporting the mainstream media no longer does.

The first time I visited Baghdad, I only stayed for a week. The place stressed me out. The surge was only just then beginning, and though I never was shot at personally, I often heard the sound of gunfire in the background. One night, shadowy militiamen stalked me and a U.S. Army unit I was out on patrol with. Car bombs exploded miles away, but sounded as though they were detonated just a few blocks away. You have no idea, really, how terrifyingly loud those things are until you hear one yourself.

I left Baghdad and headed out to Anbar Province – which just months earlier was one of the most dangerous places on earth – because I wanted to relax. That part of Iraq had just quieted down for the first time since Fallujah exploded in 2004. The big question on everyone’s mind in 2007 was whether or not it was possible to export the Anbar Awakening – the reconciliation between Iraqi tribes and Americans who forged a united front against terrorism – to a gigantic and hypercomplex city like Baghdad.

Nobody knew the answer, and many had doubts. I had doubts, too. But the doubters were wrong. The Awakening, or something that looks a lot like it, has now swept across every last corner of Iraq’s capital city.

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102 comments
1 S'latch  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:33:01am

I had forgotten about Iraq.

2 Dianna  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:35:31am

That's a great article, and I feel much better for Iraq after reading it.

All it takes is people realizing they can trust their neighbors, at least a little.

3 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:36:23am

An Iraq that is at peace with itself and its neighbors sounds like VICTORY to me.

4 AMER1CAN  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:36:24am

props to Michael Totten for doing the work the MSM won't! We need more like him.

5 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:36:48am

re: #1 Lawrence Schmerel

I had forgotten about Iraq.

So did the media because there has been some success. They won't dare say it's Bush's fault.

6 Racer X  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:37:19am

re: #3 experiencedtraveller

An Iraq that is at peace with itself and its neighbors sounds like VICTORY to me.

Obama is truly miraculous!

7 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:37:31am

Nice to see that Iraq is succeeding despite the conviction of our POTUS it would end in failure.

8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:38:51am

Needs to be said, don't it?

9 pat  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:39:52am

The Messiah has brought peace to Iraq.

10 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:40:05am

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Needs to be said, don't it?

Sad that a sole voice is the one to spread the news. Our vaunted media is just too busy doing the real work of fellating Obama.

11 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:40:46am

Thank heaven the bulk of the slog in Iraq occured prior to January 21st. Could you imagine if the surge was only in the planning stages or just underway? Obama would have pulled that rug out faster than a rocket launched flying carpet!

12 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:40:58am

It's becoming more dangerous here for soldiers than in Iraq.

Looks like some involved in recruiting were just shot in West Little Rock by the US Army/Navy Career center. One killed, one injured....

No end to the nuttery....

13 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:41:28am

I wonder if The Anointed One ever reads Totten. Nah, probably not.

14 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:42:16am

The daughter of a friend of ours just got back from Iraq - she's a young 23-year old who joined the army right out of high school. She picked up the language quickly and was liason between the army and the Iraqi's. Her mom says the media doesn't even come close to how good it's become over there. Not surprisingly, her daughter would like to go back.

I'm sure Obama take credit for this.

15 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:42:27am

re: #13 Cygnus

I wonder if The Anointed One ever reads Totten. Nah, probably not.

Why should he? He is the only object worthy of being reported on.

/ at least in his mind

16 Dianna  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:44:05am

re: #14 ladycatnip

He'll wait at least another couple months before claiming all the credit.

17 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:44:29am

re: #12 Pianobuff

It's becoming more dangerous here for soldiers than in Iraq.

Looks like some involved in recruiting were just shot in West Little Rock by the US Army/Navy Career center. One killed, one injured....

No end to the nuttery....

That should never happen. Ever. These men and women have laid their lives on the line for our country and innocents abroad. Wearing the uniform in the US should garner applause anywhere they go.

I wonder (sadly) if this incident of violence against our returning soldiers will get the coverage and outrage the murder of the abortion clinic doctor does (and both should be roundly condemned).

18 x-wing  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:44:56am

re: #14 ladycatnip

I forget now. Did That One vote for the surge, or was he too busy running for Pres.?

Can't see giving him credit if he didn't help. But I'm sure he'll take it.

19 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:45:16am

#12 Pianobuff

I read about the recruitment shooting and the first thing that came to my mind was wondering if the abortion doctor killing started this. The tit for tat begins.

Hope I'm wrong.

20 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:45:25am

re: #16 Dianna

He'll wait at least another couple months before claiming all the credit.

He'll make sure that Iraq is stable to even the most brain-dead idiot, then credit is claimed. Can't take credit when there is a possibility for failure.

21 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:46:16am

re: #12 Pianobuff

It's becoming more dangerous here for soldiers than in Iraq.

Looks like some involved in recruiting were just shot in West Little Rock by the US Army/Navy Career center. One killed, one injured....

No end to the nuttery....

At least they caught the guy - no chickenshit way out for him. Be interesting to find out what his motivation was all about.

22 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:47:27am

re: #14 ladycatnip

Pass on to your friend this Navy vet thanks her daughter for her service.

23 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:48:03am

re: #17 DaddyG


I wonder (sadly) if this incident of violence against our returning soldiers will get the coverage and outrage the murder of the abortion clinic doctor does (and both should be roundly condemned).

If he turns out to be a leftist with an anti-military agenda, we'll probably hear very little about it. If he's ex-military suffering PTSD or holds some sort of grudge against the military, we'll hear NO end of it.

24 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:48:09am

Double shooting on Rodney Parham, bomb squad called

[Link: www.fox16.com...]

25 opnion  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:48:22am

A Federal judge has just ruled that unclassified documents for over 100 Gitmo detaineess must be released.

26 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:48:23am

#18 x-wing

Actually the One predicted the surge would fail.

"I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there," he told MSNBC. "In fact, I think it will do the reverse."

Four days later he told CBS's Face the Nation, that "we cannot impose a military solution on what has effectively become a civil war. And until we acknowledge that reality -- we can send 15,000 more troops, 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops, I don't know any expert on the region or any military officer that I've spoken to privately that believes that that is going to make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground."

He'll still take credit, though.

27 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:48:35am

Going to Anbar to relax? That says it all.

28 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:48:39am

re: #18 x-wing

I forget now. Did That One vote for the surge, or was he too busy running for Pres.?

Present!

29 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:48:39am

re: #19 ladycatnip

Seems like an awfully quickly engineered retaliation it that's the case, but who knows.

Sadly, the last thing we need is a pissing contest with live ammo....

30 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:48:41am

re: #19 ladycatnip I doubt there was a direct connection between the Abortion Doctor shooting and the recruiting station shooting other than citizens feeling that they have the right to take "justice" into their own hands.

That trend is very, very disturbing in and of itself.

31 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:49:06am

#22 FurryOldGuyJeans

Be happy to!

32 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:49:27am
33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:50:04am

re: #27 MandyManners

Some of these places that we associate with hell...

34 Baier  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:50:09am

MSM: Shh, if we talk about Iraq we might have to say Bush was right...
Obama: Shh, if we talk about Iraq I might have to admit I was wrong...
ROP: Shh, if we talk about Iraq we might...wait...why aren't we talking about Iraq again? Oh yeah, that woman is a racist!

35 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:50:40am

re: #17 DaddyG

Will we get the KT update from KOS on this. Surely they have figured out this is a right wing problem.
//

36 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:50:59am

so many gas bags will come forward and say they knew all along the war was a good move, jon cary, murtha, dingy harry, turbin durbin.
and of course o w/ his grand foresight and tenacity will try to claim credit.
i just hope the public remembers it was pres. bush who first pushed for freedom of the iraqi people and battled to make it happen.

37 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:51:11am

re: #34 Baier

MSM: Shh, if we talk about Iraq we might have to say Bush was right...
Obama: Shh, if we talk about Iraq I might have to admit I was wrong...
ROP: Shh, if we talk about Iraq we might...wait...why aren't we talking about Iraq again? Oh yeah, that woman is a racist!

PIYF "GOP"?

38 x-wing  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:51:33am

re: #26 ladycatnip

Forgot that quote too. But I can't remember if he voted for/against it or chickened out and stayed away from Washington that day.

39 KenJen  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:52:13am

re: #25 opnion

A Federal judge has just ruled that unclassified documents for over 100 Gitmo detaineess must be released.

Didn't O say no to this a few weeks ago? Maybe the federal judge made his/her ruling based on personal life experiences./

40 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:52:24am

re: #37 MandyManners

ROP worked just as well, Mandy. The Jihadis want us distracted.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:53:58am

This story is the truly a testament to the men and women of the United States Armed Forces. And is a testament to the good people of Iraq.

Bless them both.

42 Dianna  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:54:03am

re: #30 DaddyG

I doubt there was a direct connection between the Abortion Doctor shooting and the recruiting station shooting other than citizens feeling that they have the right to take "justice" into their own hands.

That trend is very, very disturbing in and of itself.

Yesterday, I overheard someone saying that "vigilance" comes about when the people feel that justice is not being done, and that explained the shooting of Dr. Tiller.

If that doesn't give you the willies, that someone would say that, in public, should tell you that we are dangerously close to having gone overboard on that trend.

43 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:54:24am

re: #23 Russkilitlover

If he turns out to be a leftist with an anti-military agenda, we'll probably hear very little about it. If he's ex-military suffering PTSD or holds some sort of grudge against the military, we'll hear NO end of it.

I think we should all jump the shark and blame Code Pink for inciting the shooter to violence.

/

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:54:29am

re: #39 KenJen

This judge is probably going to find ethics violation charges filed against them real soon.

45 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:54:39am

#30 DaddyG

ladycatnip I doubt there was a direct connection between the Abortion Doctor shooting and the recruiting station shooting other than citizens feeling that they have the right to take "justice" into their own hands.

That trend is very, very disturbing in and of itself.

That sounds more plausible.

46 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:54:39am

re: #25 opnion

A Federal judge has just ruled that unclassified documents for over 100 Gitmo detaineess must be released.

Another step towards treating terrorism as a criminal matter.

47 kansas  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:55:51am

re: #32 Iron Fist

Victory is not allowed. Just ask Harry Reid. Or even better Dick Durbin (D-al Qaeda). I'm sure al Qaeda's very own Senator will have something to say to boost the morale of the remaining cells of al Qaeda in Iraq.

He always does.

I must disagree. Victory was not allowed then, but as of January 20, 2009 victory is not only allowed, it suddenly happened. Kind of like before, a 1% increase in GDP was bad, now a 5% decrease is good. Seriously, isn't everything just.........better?

48 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:56:08am

re: #23 Russkilitlover

If he turns out to be a leftist with an anti-military agenda, we'll probably hear very little about it. If he's ex-military suffering PTSD or holds some sort of grudge against the military, we'll hear NO end of it.

Either way, the gun control crowd wins, right?

49 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:56:54am
50 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:57:07am

re: #46 Russkilitlover

Another step towards treating terrorism as a criminal matter.

It did wonders for the first WTC incident, didn't it?

/ gah, that is almost impossible to be flippant about the unprovoked butchery of nearly 3000 fellow citizens.

51 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:58:02am

re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans

It did wonders for the first WTC incident, didn't it?

/ gah, that is almost impossible to be flippant about the unprovoked butchery of nearly 3000 fellow citizens.

And yet the 9/11 "truth" crowd does exactly this every day they continue to spew their idiocy.

52 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:58:19am

re: #48 Pianobuff

Either way, the gun control crowd wins, right?

Not until after the 2010 election cycle, at the earliest. Gun control is a poison pill the Dems will not swallow until after then.

/you can't teach politicians MUCH, but they can be taught.

53 Dave the.....  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:58:44am
At least they caught the guy - no chickenshit way out for him. Be interesting to find out what his motivation was all about.

Doesn't seem like a leftist peace freak. They tend to attack at night. More likely to set fire to the place then drive up and shoot.

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:59:36am

callahan23, Dianna, Y'all dinged my 20,000th post!

Thanks!

55 badger1970  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:59:37am

re: #52 OldLineTexan

Not until after the 2010 election cycle, at the earliest. Gun control is a poison pill the Dems will not swallow until after then.

/you can't teach politicians MUCH, but they can be taught. bought

Fixed.

56 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:00:06am

re: #11 Russkilitlover

Thank heaven the bulk of the slog in Iraq occured prior to January 21st. Could you imagine if the surge was only in the planning stages or just underway? Obama would have pulled that rug out faster than a rocket launched flying carpet!

Lincoln in 1864 wrote that if he were to lose the election of 1864, it would be his duty to win the war in the time remaining before his successor's inauguration, as that successor would have won the presidency on promises to cut a deal with the confederacy.

(Sorry, no link.)

Bush must have been conscious of the clock running on Iraq. It's a shame he didn't realize from the start that the clock was running; with Petraeus in charge a couple of years earlier we may have saved a thousand or more of our own soldiers' lives as well as sparing Iraq some larger number of civilian casualties and pointless deaths of deluded insurrectionists.

The deaths of al Qaeda operatives are not to be regretted, but Iraqis who died because thought they were fighting for Iraqi independence are in a way tragic. That independence was always assured, apart from the remote possibility that insurgent successes would cause the U.S. to bail, leaving open the door to Turkish or Iranian or joint partition of Iraq.

57 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:00:41am

re: #51 thedopefishlives

And yet the 9/11 "truth" crowd does exactly this every day they continue to spew their idiocy.

Makes me wonder how many of the troofers were Obama voters who want government to control every aspect of their lives. Isn't their biggest complaint about Bush was that he wanted to do the same thing Obama seems to be wanting to do?

58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:00:47am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

callahan23, Dianna, Y'all dinged my 20,000th post!

Thanks!

Congrats.

59 Dianna  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:00:55am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

callahan23, Dianna, Y'all dinged my 20,000th post!

Thanks!

You're welcome, and congratulations!

60 Cheesehead  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:02:00am

Totten has that unique ability of actually reporting what he sees and experiences without sounding partisan in either direction. His narrative makes you feel like you're experiencing the story along with him. Too bad the MSM cant do the same.

61 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:04:01am

re: #47 kansas

I must disagree. Victory was not allowed then, but as of January 20, 2009 victory is not only allowed, it suddenly happened. Kind of like before, a 1% increase in GDP was bad, now a 5% decrease is good. Seriously, isn't everything just.........better?

I think there is an exceptionally good PhD paper to be had in comparing the abrupt turnaround in the MSM's reporting on the economy. At a climb to 8% in unemployment is being reported as good news because is it 1% less than anticipated. If that would have happened under Bush you know what the headlines would have been. A decline of 5% in the GDP was hailed as great because it was not the 5.4% as predicted. My most favorite was the "refining" of exactly what constitutes a recession. Last time I looked it was at least 2 quarters of negative growth. It ain't that anymore. Gee, I wonder why?

62 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:05:06am

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This story is the truly a testament to the men and women of the United States Armed Forces. And is a testament to the good people of Iraq.

Bless them both.

You don't look a day over 18,500!

63 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:05:29am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

callahan23, Dianna, Y'all dinged my 20,000th post!

Thanks!

OOOPPPSSS

You don't look a day over 18,500!

64 VioletTiger  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:07:38am

re: #52 OldLineTexan

Not until after the 2010 election cycle, at the earliest. Gun control is a poison pill the Dems will not swallow until after then.

/you can't teach politicians MUCH, but they can be taught.


I am sure they are watching the record gun and ammo sales closely as well. Judging by the articles I have read, I don't think Smith and Wesson are seeing much of a recession.

65 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:07:46am

re: #60 Cheesehead

Totten has that unique ability of actually reporting what he sees and experiences without sounding partisan in either direction. His narrative makes you feel like you're experiencing the story along with him. Too bad the MSM cant do the same.

it doesn't even occur to them.
(their partisan agenda keeps them to busy to even think abt. the truth)

66 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:08:06am

re: #51 thedopefishlives

And yet the 9/11 "truth" crowd does exactly this every day they continue to spew their idiocy.

And I get to see Ground Zero every workday, riding the PATH and having a bird's eye view of the former Deutsche Bank building and Ground Zero out my office window (and folks wonder why I'm constantly reporting on the Rebuilding of Ground Zero in my multipart series).

These $@^$@%^$#@ dishonor the memories of all those who were murdered not only on 9/11, but the six people murdered by the terrorists in February 1993 and the more than 1,000 injured in those attacks.

And yet, there are people who are trying to claim that the four men in the synagogue bomb plot and the Stewart Airport missile attack plot are just dupes who were conned into going along - that this is part of some ginned up government operation to show that they're cracking down on terrorists and improving security.

That was the headline on today's NY Metro.

Are ‘Bronx bombers’ FBI’s hapless dupes?
Critics charge gov’t with setting up witless men for slam dunk cases

Sure, witless men who are prone to calling for jihad against the US and who had no problem going along with the plot.

And for this, law enforcement gets smeared for doing its job to protect Americans from possible attack.

67 kansas  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:10:43am

re: #61 JohnnyReb

I completely forgot about the unemployment picture which is pathetic. GM dealership closures are now over 2000, with 14 factories closing, god knows how many out of work, and somehow this is good. Gas prices are up again, meanwhile Dear Leader hits New York with his spouse for a night on the town to the tune of god knows how much and this too is good. And the Dow is up? Think the Dow will hit 14,000 again when enemployment hits 50%. Has one private sector job been "created"?

68 martinsmithy  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:15:34am

Captains Looney and Boyes seem to me to be the paradigm of intelligent military leadership, able to understand history and its impact on the situation they are facing. Our military academies must be doing something right to have turned out such fine men.

69 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:15:34am

gggeeezzz ,,, EVERY Obama admin gov't official is saying the exact same thing on all the pressers i'm doing today

"The gov't does not want to be in the auto business, but we're going to make sure there will be more fuel efficeint cars so this country will be energy independent,,,,,,,,"


Ways ,,,,, meet Means !

70 Flyers1974  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:16:11am

re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans

Makes me wonder how many of the troofers were Obama voters who want government to control every aspect of their lives. Isn't their biggest complaint about Bush was that he wanted to do the same thing Obama seems to be wanting to do?

I would say that the troofers have no agenda. For them, the conspiracy is the thing.

71 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:18:20am

re: #69 sattv4u2

Wait until we all live in The Caves of Steel, with our assigned jobs, daycares, schools, grocery stores, etc. all within walking distance.

Lotteries to ride the trains going into the "country" will be held for weekend passes. The necessary agricultural workers allowed to live outside the high-density population zones will also be allowed infrequent visits to the cities.

/

72 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:18:27am

re: #66 lawhawk

that this is part of some ginned up government operation to show that they're cracking down on terrorists and improving security.

It's a plot by Bush and Cheney to trample on the Constitution and destroy our civil liberties!

/

73 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:18:31am

re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans

Makes me wonder how many of the troofers were Obama voters who want government to control every aspect of their lives. Isn't their biggest complaint about Bush was that he wanted to do the same thing Obama seems to be wanting to do?

BusHitler Control ,, BAAADDDDD

ObaMessiah Control ,,,GOOOOODDD

74 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:18:36am

re: #70 Flyers1974

I would say that the troofers have no agenda. For them, the conspiracy is the thing.

I agree. For the one hardcore truther I know, it is all about the conspiracy, he has absolutely no agenda. except for the whole 9/11 was a product of the CIA he is a complete non political person.

75 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:19:28am

re: #73 sattv4u2

BusHitler Control ,, BAAADDDDD

ObaMessiah Control ,,,GOOOOODDD

You can almost see the pig on the ladder with the whitewash and a brush, can't you?

/

76 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:19:48am

re: #71 OldLineTexan

Wait until we all live in The Caves of Steel, with our assigned jobs, daycares, schools, grocery stores, etc. all within walking distance.

Lotteries to ride the trains going into the "country" will be held for weekend passes. The necessary agricultural workers allowed to live outside the high-density population zones will also be allowed infrequent visits to the cities.

/

When it comes to that, put me UNDER the wheels of the next train !

77 Flyers1974  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:20:16am

re: #70 Flyers1974

I should clarify my last. I shouldn't say they have no agenda, but that the very idea of putting forth conspiracies is their agenda.

78 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:20:35am

re: #75 OldLineTexan

You can almost see the pig on the ladder with the whitewash and a brush, can't you?

/

hehehe

79 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:22:00am

As you gear-up for purchasing your new ObamaMobile by GubermentMoters© some here in Texas are preparing for the next housing boom during the thriving Obamaconomy.

Best to get on the waiting list now.

80 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:22:27am
81 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:26:21am

re: #9 pat
Let's see if he can do the same for the streets of Detriot!
I have my doubts...........

82 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:26:23am

re: #79 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

As you gear-up for purchasing your new ObamaMobile by GubermentMoters© some here in Texas are preparing for the next housing boom during the thriving Obamaconomy.

Best to get on the waiting list now.

Classier than that single-wide I've been eying, but a little to close to a Unabomber shack, IMO.

83 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:27:12am

re: #76 sattv4u2

When it comes to that, put me UNDER the wheels of the next train !

And waste food?

/Soylent Green is sattv4u2!

/

84 Flyers1974  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:27:24am

re: #74 JohnnyReb

I agree. For the one hardcore truther I know, it is all about the conspiracy, he has absolutely no agenda. except for the whole 9/11 was a product of the CIA he is a complete non political person.

Your experience is identical to my own. The one person I know who was into this was utterly apolitical. If I told you how apolitical you'd think I was exaggerating to make a point. Then one day he was shown a conspiracy video, Zeitgeist (bad things have happened in the world, invisible hands pull strings, then 9-11.) This person was absolutely transfixed by the idea of 9-11. It reminded me of how someone in a cult would behave.

85 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:29:25am

re: #82 OldLineTexan

They're actually pretty neat..pricey(I think)...but neat.

86 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:30:50am

re: #84 Flyers1974


Odd way to describe it, but that fits for my friend also. He "converted" way after 9/11 though. Someone gave him one of the websites and away he went.

87 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:30:59am

re: #82 OldLineTexan
I've got a lot at 7500 Ft. that would be an awesome spot for that little shelter!
I'll build my tho..........

88 lobo91  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:31:35am

re: #64 VioletTiger

I am sure they are watching the record gun and ammo sales closely as well. Judging by the articles I have read, I don't think Smith and Wesson are seeing much of a recession.

My wife and I attended the recent NRA Annual Meeting in Phoenix, which includes the mother of all trade shows for the firearms industry.

63,000 people were there, with something like 2,000 exhibitor booths.

Never seen anything like it.

89 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:35:03am

re: #88 lobo91
Did ya buy anything?

90 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:36:36am

re: #89 reloadingisnotahobby

Did ya buy ME anything?

/slight mod

91 Flyers1974  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:36:37am

re: #86 JohnnyReb

Odd way to describe it, but that fits for my friend also. He "converted" way after 9/11 though. Someone gave him one of the websites and away he went.

Same here, he saw the video within the past two years. Since then, he has cooled off on the 9-11 tip but through his interest in that, became interested in Ron Paul. I'm going out on a limb here, but my theory, at least with the person I know, was that the 9-11 conspiracy gave him an easy answer to what the world was about. The real answers were complex, boring and unsatisfying.

92 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:38:29am
93 Flyers1974  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:38:54am

re: #86 JohnnyReb

Odd way to describe it, but that fits for my friend also. He "converted" way after 9/11 though. Someone gave him one of the websites and away he went.

Sorry that's my condensed version.

94 lobo91  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #89 reloadingisnotahobby

Did ya buy anything?

It's a trade show featuring guns, not a gun show.

You can't purchase guns there. More along the lines of the big auto shows, where the manufacturers show off their new models.

95 notutopia  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:52:07am

Once again Totten brings insightful questions to the surface that we all want to know the realistic answers to.
After his most recent writings and postings on Iraq and the US troops withdrawals, highlighting the candid responses from Captain Boyle and Looney, it confirms what I have seen in other past US military occupied areas. It is only a natural instinctive occurrence by any resistance to test those who will be left to guard and control their own turf. They will be disappointed at the new resolve.


snippet.......Captain Boyle, "There will be a spike in violence because the insurgents are going to test the Iraqi Security Forces, but I have complete faith that the resolve of the Iraqis will be there.”

96 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 11:55:06am

Victory in Iraq is all I ask.

97 jvic  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 12:05:19pm

It's a new kind of war and there is a long way to go, but IMHO history could rank Petraeus as one of America's great generals.

If he succeeds, he should get credit not only for the war he is winning, but for the calamitous, far bloodier wars he is preventing.

98 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 12:20:04pm

It's up to the national government now, to reconcile with the Sunni minority. We've done our part in bringing calm if not peace to most of the trouble areas in Iraq.

99 odorlesspaintthinner  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 12:30:20pm

OT:
If you go just by the headlines being chosen, The Jerusalem Post seems to be expressing a lot of nervousness about the pressures being put on Israel by the Obama admin. There's a commentary on this NYTimes article on how the U.S. is speculating it will rap Israel on the knuckles over settlements:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
There's this editorial on Obama's assigning "disproportionate importance" to the settlements:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Another recent editorial when Obie and Netanyahu issued conjoint statements indicated how patronizing Obie was being about it all. He's definitely arm-wrestling Netanyahu, who's not exactly a piker in that arena. This is not a good thing, ladies and gents. I don't know the prevailing winds on LGF re: End Times theories, but there's something Armaggedonistic about this if you follow that kind of thing at all...

100 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:08:56pm

Great report. Kudos to Totten for making the effort to report the "no news" - e.e good news - from Iraq.

101 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:16:48pm

re: #84 Flyers1974

Your experience is identical to my own. The one person I know who was into this was utterly apolitical. If I told you how apolitical you'd think I was exaggerating to make a point. Then one day he was shown a conspiracy video, Zeitgeist (bad things have happened in the world, invisible hands pull strings, then 9-11.) This person was absolutely transfixed by the idea of 9-11. It reminded me of how someone in a cult would behave.

I also know someone who was flipped by "Zeitgeist".

Some people seem to be unbelievably vulnerable to this kind of bullshit, especially when it comes to them in movie/TV form.

102 jordash1212  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 10:01:02pm

Top notch reporting. Makes you kind of wonder why the MSM hasn't picked up on this guy...


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