Obama Health Care Town Hall Meeting
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Here’s a thread to discuss Barack Obama’s town hall meeting promoting his health care plans, now under way in Annandale, Virginia …
YouTube is streaming the meeting live.
325 comments
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jill e Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:22:57am |
Twittered by Fox’s Major Garrett:
[WH Press Secretary Robert] Gibbs: “A very safe bet” that “dissenting views” to be heard at today’s HC town hall; defends hand-picked audience, pre-screened questions
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:23:05am |
CBS, Helen Thomas Challenge Gibbs On “Controlled” Town Hall Meeting
Helen Thomas accused the White House of “controlling the press.” She said almost all White House/Obama events are “prepackaged.” She accused the White House of not “having any answers.”
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doppelganglander Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:23:56am |
This is health care related, I suppose: Rep. Henry Waxman hospitalized. Don’t worry, he’s fine.
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razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:24:01am |
Is it still a town hall meeting when questions are presubmitted and screened?
Or is it something else?
Is that a town hall where the press conference is being held?
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KingKenrod Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:24:22am |
re: #9 doppelganglander
This is health care related, I suppose: Rep. Henry Waxman hospitalized. Don’t worry, he’s fine.
Swine flu?
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Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:25:16am |
re: #10 razorbacker
Is it still a town hall meeting when questions are presubmitted and screened?
Or is it something else?
Is that a town hall where the press conference is being held?
Actually, if it’s a televised program with prepackaged questions, pre sleected audience, I’d call it a commercial.
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DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:25:20am |
re: #9 doppelganglander
This is health care related, I suppose: Rep. Henry Waxman hospitalized. Don’t worry, he’s fine.
Waxy build-up.
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jill e Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:25:53am |
Actually this was said by Obama yesterday at the White House for a GLBT reception (not during today’s Town Hall meeting as cited in last thread):
“I expect and hope to be judged not by words, not by promises I’ve made, but by the promises that my administration keeps,” Obama said. “… I suspect that by the time this administration is over, I think you guys will have pretty good feelings about the Obama administration.”
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doppelganglander Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:25:59am |
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quickslow87 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:08am |
I don’t feel like watching it. Is that bad?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:29am |
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redstateredneck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:35am |
re: #8 jcm
CBS, Helen Thomas Challenge Gibbs On “Controlled” Town Hall Meeting
She and Chip tag teamed bitch slapped Gibbs. I am so lovin’ it.
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DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:59am |
If Obama’s health care tour (sponsored by CBS) is what passes for journalism and news I just can’t wait for the fairness doctrine to kick in so those pesky alternative viewpoints stop getting in the way./
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:27:12am |
No matter how much he tries to sell this, he’s no Billy Mays. He’s no Sully.
In fact, there’s nothing you can do to convince people that the government rejiggering health care will make it more affordable while maintaining the same level of care.
You can have universal care. You can have quality of care. You can have affordable care. They are not interchangable and you have to sacrifice one to get others.
Affordability and access to care are not the same thing, and the Democrats and Obama have repeatedly ignored the distinction. They’d rather it didn’t exist because it undermines many of their arguments.
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:27:17am |
re: #9 doppelganglander
This is health care related, I suppose: Rep. Henry Waxman hospitalized. Don’t worry, he’s fine.
Ingrown nostril hairs?
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:27:19am |
Everyone wants Congress’ health care plan but nobody wants to pay for it…
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subsailor68 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:27:25am |
Dear Mr. Obama,
In our little town, we have a hospital. It was built by two brothers (big ranchers) over 60 years ago, because they got tired of having to take their dad about 70 miles to San Antonio. They wrote into the charter that the hospital could not turn anyone away because they couldn’t pay. It still runs that way.
A few years ago, a Catholic nun started a clinic here. It’s free to anyone, and includes preventive care services. Her dedication helped ease the burden on the hospital’s emergency room, making waits there very short.
Between her (in my opinion saintly) work and the good work being done by the hospital, everyone in our town has access to terrific care - when they need it - regardless of their financial status.
Your proposals could very likely destroy all that, substituting government dictated, ultimately rationed, far less effective care.
Please stop. Now.
Thank you.
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:27:34am |
Thank you, Charles—Pres. Obama’s local campaigning nearby for his health takeover was giving me heartburn and I have no health insurance!
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MikeAlv77 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:28:00am |
re: #15 jill e
Actually this was said by Obama yesterday at the White House for a GLBT reception (not during today’s Town Hall meeting as cited in last thread):
“I expect and hope to be judged not by words, not by promises I’ve made, but by the promises that my administration keeps,” Obama said. “… I suspect that by the time this administration is over, I think you guys will have pretty good feelings about the Obama administration.”
Where do I start with tearing that apart. Logically it is just so off. It shows his thinking (or lack there of). The real crazy thing is I bet he was cheered after he said it.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:28:08am |
I can see the transcript now…
“I won! Faun over me. Everything I say is rainbows and unicorns. Who else has a question about how great I am?”
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Kragar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:28:49am |
At this rate, we’ll be back to witch doctors and leaching. At least those are “green” medicines.
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redstateredneck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:29:28am |
re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
At this rate, we’ll be back to witch doctors and leaching. At least those are “green” medicines.
Barbers will be health care workers.
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RunningBare Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:29:55am |
YAY! nationalized health care! Woo hoo! It’ll be like the IHS, but for everyone! YAY!
/Sarcasm
An excerpt from “If You Knew the Conditions: A Chronicle of the Indian Medical Service and American Indian Health Care, 1908-1955”
[Link: books.google.com…]
This is what awaits you, America!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:30:04am |
re: #29 buzzsawmonkey
Gibbs is as smooth as grease through a goose.
Makes his “homina, homina, homina” on Iran all the more telling.
He gave ShortShit a homina?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:30:42am |
Live streaming at YouTube:
[Link: www.youtube.com…]
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Rexatosis Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:30:58am |
Eventually the people will realize the emperor has no clothes.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:02am |
re: #9 doppelganglander
This is health care related, I suppose: Rep. Henry Waxman hospitalized. Don’t worry, he’s fine.
Did a buzzard fly up his nose?
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zombie Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:18am |
re: #9 doppelganglander
This is health care related, I suppose: Rep. Henry Waxman hospitalized. Don’t worry, he’s fine.
re: #11 KingKenrod
Swine flu?
I think he’s got a serious case of Twilight-Zone-pig-nose-episode-itis.
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:28am |
re: #24 Thanos
Everyone wants Congress’ health care plan but nobody wants to pay for it…
* * * *
Senator Byrd just spent 6 weeks getting “free” health care YOU pay for, so he can continue to take taxpayer bailouts to his state of West Virginia for another 99 years.
Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina also was kept alive on your tax dollars doling out money to his state until virtual mummification at 99 or 100 years.
Argh. It’s these fat FEDS that cost the system so much.
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subsailor68 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:30am |
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MikeAlv77 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:36am |
re: #34 MandyManners
He gave ShortShit a homina?
Mandy.. please!
With the visual of Helen Thomas and then that, this blog is becoming a great diet.. just reading ruins any appetite
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:42am |
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astronmr20 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:54am |
re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
At this rate, we’ll be back to witch doctors and leaching. At least those are “green” medicines.
All-natural government leeches!
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Kragar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:01am |
He should just whip off his shirt and announce “Adore me! Bask in my majesty!” It would at least be more honest than the horseshit he is peddling right now.
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jill e Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:02am |
New bumper sticker:
Please don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:11am |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:24am |
re: #35 Charles
Just in time for it to be over!
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:29am |
re: #8 jcm
CBS, Helen Thomas Challenge Gibbs On “Controlled” Town Hall Meeting
She would challenge a mirror to not break.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:31am |
re: #41 subsailor68
Not this one I hope!
Are you kidding? He’ll be the czar! (man I really hate the fact that our gov’t uses that word)
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Kragar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:49am |
re: #39 zombie
I think he’s got a serious case of Twilight-Zone-pig-nose-episode-itis.
Its a feeding mechanism, like pitcher plants
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doppelganglander Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:50am |
re: #39 zombie
I think he’s got a serious case of Twilight-Zone-pig-nose-episode-itis.
It’s almost hypnotic. I can’t listen to a word he says because I’m too busy staring at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel in the middle of his face.
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Russkilitlover Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:33:05am |
re: #8 jcm
CBS, Helen Thomas Challenge Gibbs On “Controlled” Town Hall Meeting
Good on her. She may be laughable at times, but she got enough journalism smarts or training to not be so starry-eyed as her numerous peers.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:33:12am |
re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
He should just whip off his shirt and announce “Adore me! Bask in my majesty!” It would at least be more honest than the horseshit he is peddling right now.
And start singing Lou Rawls’ “You’ll Never Find”.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:33:22am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:33:42am |
re: #42 MikeAlv77
Mandy.. please!
With the visual of Helen Thomas and then that, this blog is becoming a great diet.. just reading ruins any appetite
I endeavor to render satisfaction.
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:34:24am |
OT, but ties in with the Obama agenda for change. Interesting poll, 46% think the Dems are too Liberal, 43% think the Republicans are too conservative. I see a opening in the middle.
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:34:38am |
Billy Mays must have figured his sales abilities just didn’t rank next to this guy … but wait! You NEED this CALL NOW!
///
At least Billy sold stuff we could use!
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zombie Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:34:52am |
Twilight Zone pig nose episode (called “Eye of the Beholder”)
Coincidence? I think not.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:35:07am |
“0” giving another speech…………another media worship event…….another diversion from free enterprise.
“Who is like unto the “0”?”
Your country is being stolen right out from under your noses.
Wake up America.
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Kragar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:35:31am |
re: #54 Ward Cleaver
And start singing Lou Rawls’ “You’ll Never Find”.
“Why do birds, suddenly appear, everytime I grow near, just like you, they yearn to be, close to me.”
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Curly Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:35:36am |
Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard.
Woob! Woob! Woob!
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:35:59am |
re: #46 jill e
New bumper sticker:
Please don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion.
Don’t worry, he’ll make something up.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:36:01am |
re: #53 Russkilitlover
Good on her. She may be laughable at times, but she got enough journalism smarts or training to not be so starry-eyed as her numerous peers.
if she keeps bugging 0bama like that, she’ll be the first one euthanized under 0bamacare.
/soylent green is helen!
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:36:08am |
re: #15 jill e
Actually this was said by Obama yesterday at the White House for a GLBT reception (not during today’s Town Hall meeting as cited in last thread):
“I expect and hope to be judged not by words, not by promises I’ve made, but by the promises that my administration keeps,” Obama said. “… I suspect that by the time this administration is over, I think you guys will have pretty good feelings about the Obama administration.”
We will have good feelings that it is finally over, yes.
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Russkilitlover Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:36:16am |
re: #24 Thanos
Everyone wants Congress’ health care plan but nobody wants to pay for it…
More to the point, we’d like them to have our health plans then get off their fat asses and deal with health care reform reality - and NO this does NOT mean institutional health “care.”
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:36:17am |
re: #59 zombie
Twilight Zone pig nose episode (called “Eye of the Beholder”)
Coincidence? I think not.
No change! No change!
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:36:34am |
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:36:39am |
Why Obama Goes on the Road to Campaign instead of do his job at the White House:
Pres. Obama hates the White House Press Briefing Room because it’s too small!
White House communication people are scouting out locations that hold nearly 400 people
My source: a theater person from George Washington University said yesterday that the White House has been there 3 times looking for a new place for Pres. Obama to do his “fake” townhalls with packed audiences, instead of the tough mean White House correspondent pool.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:37:01am |
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:37:06am |
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:37:35am |
re: #14 MandyManners
Waxman’s in the hospital.
Here’s hoping it’s just a little heartburn from when he realized what his bill could potentially do to the economy.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:38:28am |
re: #36 Rexatosis
Eventually the people will realize the emperor has no clothes.
and is reading from “The Peoples Socialist Remaking of America” playbook……..
or uh, oh, look, it’s “All Michael, All the Time”………..mmmmmmmm…donuts…
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:38:55am |
re: #69 alegrias
Why Obama Goes on the Road to Campaign instead of do his job at the White House:
Pres. Obama hates the White House Press Briefing Room because it’s too small!
White House communication people are scouting out locations that hold nearly 400 people
My source: a theater person from George Washington University said yesterday that the White House has been there 3 times looking for a new place for Pres. Obama to do his “fake” townhalls with packed audiences, instead of the tough mean White House correspondent pool.
He’s addicted to the Hallelujahs and rockstar swooning….that WH pressroom is just too small for worshiping at his feet.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:38:57am |
re: #36 Rexatosis
Eventually the people will realize the emperor has no clothes.
Unfortunately, it will be after they’re taken to the cleaners.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:39:31am |
re: #75 Desert Dog
He’s addicted to the Hallelujahs and rockstar swooning….that WH pressroom is just too small for worshiping at his feet.
Anyone pass out lately?
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kynna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:39:57am |
I can’t believe Helen Thomas is actually making sense. Ugh! She won’t be the grand dame anymore. They won’t give the Obama admin. the hard time for cutting her out of the loop that they gave the Bush admin, that’s for sure.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:40:08am |
People, people: stop trying to make me think of FCBBHO naked.
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:40:18am |
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:40:20am |
re: #69 alegrias
Why Obama Goes on the Road to Campaign instead of do his job at the White House:
Pres. Obama hates the White House Press Briefing Room because it’s too small!
White House communication people are scouting out locations that hold nearly 400 people
My source: a theater person from George Washington University said yesterday that the White House has been there 3 times looking for a new place for Pres. Obama to do his “fake” townhalls with packed audiences, instead of the tough mean White House correspondent pool.
He’s a snake oil salesman, what with his shill audiences.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:41:46am |
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:41:51am |
re: #78 kynna
I can’t believe Helen Thomas is actually making sense. Ugh! She won’t be the grand dame anymore. They won’t give the Obama admin. the hard time for cutting her out of the loop that they gave the Bush admin, that’s for sure.
Don’t be surprised if her credentials are pulled, and they cook up some lame excuse.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:42:11am |
re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
He should just whip off his shirt and announce “Adore me! Bask in my majesty!” It would at least be more honest than the horseshit he is peddling right now.
I’m waiting for him to come out dressed like Yul Brynner (as Pharaoh) in The Ten Commandments.
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:42:14am |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
The music is a nice touch.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:42:23am |
re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If he wants to live the rockstar lifestyle, would it be wrong to suggest he take Bon Scott lessons?
You mean dress like a schoolboy?
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Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:42:28am |
re: #12 Mithrax
Actually, if it’s a televised program with prepackaged questions, pre sleected audience, I’d call it a commercial.
Infomercial.
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Pickles Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:42:45am |
re: #85 Son of the Black Dog
I’m waiting for him to come out dressed like Yul Brynner (as Pharaoh) in The Ten Commandments.
LOL me too
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:42:54am |
re: #85 Son of the Black Dog
I’m waiting for him to come out dressed like Yul Brynner (as Pharaoh) in The Ten Commandments.
“So let it be written, let it be done…..clap, clap”
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kynna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:43:03am |
re: #53 Russkilitlover
Good on her. She may be laughable at times, but she got enough journalism smarts or training to not be so starry-eyed as her numerous peers.
You know, she was extremely starry-eyed over Bill Clinton. Even though she was a romantic rival (ack! reaching for brain bleach now!), she was probably incensed about the way Hillary was treated by the 0 campaign. I feel like I’ve read some other criticisms of Obama from her.
Whatever the reason, her comments won’t see much daylight until she gets onboard the slobberbus.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:43:04am |
re: #63 Right mind left
Don’t worry, he’ll make something up.
Something after a trillion? He’ll googol it.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:43:39am |
re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
At this rate, we’ll be back to witch doctors and leaching. At least those are “green” medicines.
Already there: Maggots, Leeches, and One More Utterly Revolting Medical Therapy
The third one is simply beyond the pale.
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:43:59am |
re: #88 Ward Cleaver
You mean dress like a schoolboy?
That’s Angus, Laddy….Bon Scott drank himself to death….perhaps Kragar was hinting that our Dear Leader do the same?
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:03am |
re: #69 alegrias
Why Obama Goes on the Road to Campaign instead of do his job at the White House:
Pres. Obama hates the White House Press Briefing Room because it’s too small!
White House communication people are scouting out locations that hold nearly 400 people
My source: a theater person from George Washington University said yesterday that the White House has been there 3 times looking for a new place for Pres. Obama to do his “fake” townhalls with packed audiences, instead of the tough mean White House correspondent pool.
The town hall meetings have always been on the road, and not it the WH, thus the name “Town Hall” I could find no link suggesting moving the press briefing out of the WH.
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Ben Hur Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:13am |
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:13am |
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:39am |
re: #69 alegrias
Why Obama Goes on the Road to Campaign instead of do his job at the White House:
Pres. Obama hates the White House Press Briefing Room because it’s too small!
White House communication people are scouting out locations that hold nearly 400 people
My source: a theater person from George Washington University said yesterday that the White House has been there 3 times looking for a new place for Pres. Obama to do his “fake” townhalls with packed audiences, instead of the tough mean White House correspondent pool.
The briefing room is too small for his ego.
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:49am |
re: #95 Kosh’s Shadow
Something after a trillion? He’ll googol it.
Nah, he’ll make up some name that sounds tame like Reduce-llion…
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Kragar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:54am |
re: #93 Desert Dog
“So let it be written, let it be done…..clap, clap”
“The King and I” perhaps?
“When I sit, you sit. When I kneel, you kneel. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! “
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:05am |
re: #59 zombie
I loved the SNL parody of that episode.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:20am |
re: #100 JamesTKirk
After his health plans costs us trillions, it will cost us all Brazilians.
I don’t think OR is going to give up Adriana Lima that easily.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:20am |
re: #89 Eowyn2
Infomercial.
I’ll start a new conspiracy theory: the 0bama administration approached Billy Mays to do infomercials for 0bama’s programs, like 0bamacare, and when Mays refused, and threatened to blow the whistle on the whole scheme, they killed him.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:42am |
re: #64 Ward Cleaver
I’ll bet they’re really sorry they gave Helen back her front row seat.
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:44am |
re: #75 Desert Dog
He’s addicted to the Hallelujahs and rockstar swooning….that WH pressroom is just too small for worshiping at his feet.
“O Bama Hey Bama Bama Bama Ho
Bama Hey Bama O Bama…”
From “B. Hussein, Superstar”
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:51am |
re: #107 Ward Cleaver
I’ll start a new conspiracy theory: the 0bama administration approached Billy Mays to do infomercials for 0bama’s programs, like 0bamacare, and when Mays refused, and threatened to blow the whistle on the whole scheme, they killed him.
That was sarc, obviously.
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scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:21am |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
“The King and I” perhaps?
“When I sit, you sit. When I kneel, you kneel. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! “
“Why is your head always higher than mine?”
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:27am |
re: #75 Desert Dog
He’s addicted to the Hallelujahs and rockstar swooning….that WH pressroom is just too small for worshiping at his feet.
* * *
Also, President Obama stuffs his democrat allies in the front row to thank them very publicly.
Today in Virginia’s townhall on healthcare takeover, Pres. Obama thanked anti-Semite Jim Moran, doofus dem. Governor Tim Kaine who hides his travel on DNC business from the WashPost despite FOIA requests.
Pres. Obama also thanked Va. Sen. Mark Warner—who may be wobbly on Obama’s healthcare plan.
By putting these Dems on tv with Obama, Obama can pressure them with his democrat constituents, to “stay the Obama course”, instead of go wobbly, centrist or AGAINST Obama’s takeover.
Very clever of Obama to take his BS campaign on the road, instead of answer increasingly tough questions at the White House.
Also, Congress is now on the 4th of July Break, so politicians are in their home states where Obama can pressure them to support his agenda in their own districts.
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:34am |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
“The King and I” perhaps?
“When I sit, you sit. When I kneel, you kneel. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! “
“When I take over the economy and fly us all off a cliff….you still sit and kneel” (with a smile on your face too)
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:36am |
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:38am |
re: #107 Ward Cleaver
I’ll start a new conspiracy theory: the 0bama administration approached Billy Mays to do infomercials for 0bama’s programs, like 0bamacare, and when Mays refused, and threatened to blow the whistle on the whole scheme, they killed him.
I heard that from a guy that knows the guy that trims the hedges at the White House.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:42am |
re: #100 JamesTKirk
After his health plans costs us trillions, it will cost us all Brazilians.
THat was smooth.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:47am |
re: #108 Son of the Black Dog
I’ll bet they’re really sorry they gave Helen back her front row seat.
They thought 0bama’s hypnosis would work on her, but her eyes aren’t so good anymore.
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:50am |
re: #108 Son of the Black Dog
I’ll bet they’re really sorry they gave Helen back her front row seat.
You sure the ‘tough’ question wasn’t planted, to improve the image of the MSM? Hey, ask and the great 0 will answer and reassure all!
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:52am |
re: #109 JamesTKirk
“O Bama Hey Bama Bama Bama Ho
Bama Hey Bama O Bama…”From “B. Hussein, Superstar”
Or the follow-up song “I Don’t Know How to Love Him” as sung by his disciples, the media.
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debutaunt Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:47:10am |
re: #63 Right mind left
Don’t worry, he’ll make something up.
We’re trying to limit his spending to trillions!
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kynna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:47:24am |
re: #96 Creeping Eruption
Already there: Maggots, Leeches, and One More Utterly Revolting Medical Therapy
The third one is simply beyond the pale.
Actually, maggots are still an effective treatment in certain circumstances. People in the last hundred years or so have actually lost limbs because doctors were too appalled to consider this method of removing dead tissue. I doubt ZeroCare will provide it, though. Best to take a pain pill and die with dignity.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:47:38am |
re: #107 Ward Cleaver
I’ll start a new conspiracy theory: the 0bama administration approached Billy Mays to do infomercials for 0bama’s programs, like 0bamacare, and when Mays refused, and threatened to blow the whistle on the whole scheme, they killed him.
You could get on Beck’s show with that.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:47:50am |
re: #72 RunningBare
Weird. I think we should kill all extremists.
Don’t you think that’s a bit … well, a bit extreme?
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scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:47:56am |
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:48:01am |
re: #117 Ward Cleaver
They thought 0bama’s hypnosis would work on her, but her eyes aren’t so good anymore.
Plus, he really can’t look her straight in the eye or he’d turn to stone
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:48:18am |
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:48:26am |
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:48:35am |
re: #113 Desert Dog
“When I take over the economy and fly us all off a cliff….you still sit and kneel” (with a smile on your face too)
Get in crash positions!
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BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:03am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:07am |
Ah! She blinded me with platitudes!
(I’d rather be blinded by science.)
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Dahveed Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:19am |
Good time for Obama to have a town hall meeting. People who work and will be paying for all of this won’t be home to watch since they are - you know - working.
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:34am |
re: #98 avanti
The town hall meetings have always been on the road, and not it the WH, thus the name “Town Hall” I could find no link suggesting moving the press briefing out of the WH.
Have you emailed your question?
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:39am |
re: #116 Honorary Yooper
THat was smooth.
I too can wax poetic.
This would fulfill O’s promise of getting us all out of a hairy situation.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:47am |
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:47am |
re: #120 debutaunt
We’re trying to limit his spending to trillions!
And at 999 trillion…in two years because of inflation…uhhhh…he will change our currency from the dollar to the Barack. Pass the Barack…?
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Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:55am |
Is there anyone left on Capitol Hill or in the MSM with the balls to STOP this garbage?
Say what you will about GW Bush, when he came out and declared war on terrorism and stated that troops would be sent, he laid his political career on the line. Is there not a republican in office willing to do that?
Tom Tancredo
Mitt Romney
Duncan Hunter
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Sarah Palin (not a congress kritter but a spotlit R)
Even Mike Huckabee
SOMEBODY STAND UP.
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debutaunt Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:50:00am |
re: #103 Right mind left
Nah, he’ll make up some name that sounds tame like Reduce-llion…
Jobsillion
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Kragar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:50:35am |
re: #133 Dahveed
Good time for Obama to have a town hall meeting. People who work and will be paying for all of this won’t be home to watch since they are - you know - working.
“They’re on to us!” - Rahm
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kynna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:50:37am |
re: #125 Creeping Eruption
Did you check out the link?
Honestly? No. You scared me about the third one and it’s lunchtime. LOL.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:50:56am |
re: #135 JamesTKirk
I too can wax poetic.
This would fulfill O’s promise of getting us all out of a hairy situation.
But it’s also illegal in New Jersey, IIRC.
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:08am |
re: #115 avanti
I heard that from a guy that knows the guy that trims the hedges at the White House.
* * * *
The current White House head gardener was in fact until recently the British Embassy’s head gardener, and before that, worked at the National Arboretum.
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:11am |
re: #137 Right mind left
And at 999 trillion…in two years because of inflation…uhhhh…he will change our currency from the dollar to the Barack. Pass the Barack…?
I’d say we are already all “Baracked” anyway….we might as well convert to Monopoly money, it will have a higher value soon.
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Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:17am |
re: #79 MandyManners
People, people: stop trying to make me think of FCBBHO naked.
nekkid on a unicorn
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:36am |
re: #133 Dahveed
Good time for Obama to have a town hall meeting. People who work and will be paying for all of this won’t be home to watch since they are - you know - working.
If it keeps going like it is, they won’t be working long. Funemployment you know.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:36am |
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horse Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:48am |
re: #10 razorbacker
In Obama newspeak a townhall is a public gathering where all good questions will be allowed and will highlight the party’s doubleplusgood programs.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:55am |
re: #127 buzzsawmonkey
Don’t you remember? He gave a statement which matched Obama “er, um” for “er, um.”
Gibbs is one slick article; that neither he nor Obama could bring themselves to utter their Iran statements straightforwardly with out all the hemming and hawing showed how they were caught flatfooted, and how totally untrustworthy anything they had to say was.
I expected nothing from FCBBHO. I think he thinks like Carter, that it’s easier to deal with dictators.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:57am |
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:52:22am |
re: #145 Eowyn2
nekkid on a unicorn
Well, that depends on where Zero is sitting on the unicorn… I could get a laugh out of that.
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RunningBare Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:52:27am |
re: #123 Son of the Black Dog
Don’t you think that’s a bit … well, a bit extreme?
Sorry, I was busy Ironying my post. You were saying…?
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scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:52:28am |
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debutaunt Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:52:47am |
re: #137 Right mind left
And at 999 trillion…in two years because of inflation…uhhhh…he will change our currency from the dollar to the Barack. Pass the Barack…?
Where does the Barack stop?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:52:59am |
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Dahveed Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:27am |
re: #146 kansas
If it keeps going like it is, they won’t be working long. Funemployment you know.
It will actually pay not to work. What is my incentive if everything I earn goes to the government and the people that live off of it?
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Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:31am |
re: #135 JamesTKirk
I too can wax poetic.
This would fulfill O’s promise of getting us all out of a hairy situation.
you have wit but not razor sharp like buzzsawmonkey (who needs a shorter name)
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:40am |
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KenJen Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:40am |
I missed the Health Care Townhall Meeting. Did he smoke thru the whole thing?
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Wendya Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:42am |
re: #121 kynna
Best to take a pain pill and die with dignity.
I’m surprised Richard Lamm hasn’t been made the “elder care czar” yet.
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:42am |
re: #152 MrSilverDragon
Well, that depends on where Zero is sitting on the unicorn… I could get a laugh out of that.
Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:51am |
re: #96 Creeping Eruption
Already there: Maggots, Leeches, and One More Utterly Revolting Medical Therapy
The third one is simply beyond the pale.
The third one was featured on an episode of Grey’s Anatomy.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:54:32am |
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:54:47am |
re: #75 Desert Dog
He’s addicted to the Hallelujahs and rockstar swooning….that WH pressroom is just too small for worshiping at his feet.
Or perhaps it’s just that the WH pressroom doesn’t face Mecca.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:54:53am |
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:54:56am |
re: #133 Dahveed
Good time for Obama to have a town hall meeting. People who work and will be paying for all of this won’t be home to watch since they are - you know - working.
* * * * *
Obama’s smart to go to Virginia for this, since Obama’s healthcare has to pass the Senate, and Virginia’s two senators aren’t necessarily Obamabots.
So, tonight on local tv channels in Virginia, Virginians will see the President in their state with all the states’ top democrats sitting their fawning Obama and being reciprocated by Obama.
This is to get wobbly states’ senators behind Obama and to get local tv channels to disseminate Obama’s messages on healthcare CRISIS.
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:55:06am |
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:55:27am |
re: #165 Creeping Eruption
Nope. they tried to ban the Brazilian but missed the mark. Smooth sailing from here on out.
That was a close shave.
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:55:42am |
re: #138 Eowyn2
Is there anyone left on Capitol Hill or in the MSM with the balls to STOP this garbage?
Say what you will about GW Bush, when he came out and declared war on terrorism and stated that troops would be sent, he laid his political career on the line. Is there not a republican in office willing to do that?
Tom Tancredo
Mitt Romney
Duncan Hunter
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Sarah Palin (not a congress kritter but a spotlit R)
Even Mike HuckabeeSOMEBODY STAND UP.
* * * *
THEY’RE ON VACATION for TWO WEEKS
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:55:42am |
California tumbles into the sea
That’ll be the day I go back to Annandale
Tried to warn you ‘bout Obama and Teddy K
But I can’t seem to get to you through the US mail
/sorry, Steely
/sorry, Dan
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:55:48am |
re: #9 doppelganglander
This is health care related, I suppose: Rep. Henry Waxman hospitalized. Don’t worry, he’s fine.
Oh, I wasn’t worried.
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debutaunt Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:55:51am |
re: #164 Son of the Black Dog
The third one was featured on an episode of Grey’s Anatomy.
Seriously.
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RunningBare Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:08am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:15am |
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Gearhead Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:21am |
re: #155 sngnsgt
Obama-care is a disaster waiting to happen.
It’s part of a matched set:
Obama-diplomacy
Obama-fiscal stimulus
Obama-energy policy
Those of us who find the Middle Ages interesting may soon have the chance for a more immersive experience.
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KenJen Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:23am |
re: #168 alegrias
* * * * *
Obama’s smart to go to Virginia for this, since Obama’s healthcare has to pass the Senate, and Virginia’s two senators aren’t necessarily Obamabots.So, tonight on local tv channels in Virginia, Virginians will see the President in their state with all the states’ top democrats sitting their fawning Obama and being reciprocated by Obama.
This is to get wobbly states’ senators behind Obama and to get local tv channels to disseminate Obama’s messages on healthcare CRISIS.
I’m sure he didn’t think of it on his own.
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subsailor68 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:27am |
Not sure I’m buying this, but I’d sure like to:
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hazzyday Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:30am |
Pres Obama is a NEOCOM. Nothing wrong with calling him a communist. New World new meanings for old words.
His method is to work from within and evolve the country into a more government controlled grouping. It was bound to happen. Capitalism has been on a tear making a few people rich and a lot of people poor.
Redistributing wealth to people who can manipulate the economy from people who are at the mercy of colluding creditors. More control of complex markets is probably not a bad thing. But to impose more government on a working person it not a good thing.
Pres. Obama hasn’t given up on his massive grassroots voter rollout. Those people are becoming government volunteers. All facets of society are being covered, analyzed, and talked to. The scope is impressive. It’s effect is to focus on any dissent and remove it ahead of time. A lot of local social groups mailing lists I am on have had contact with stimulus/Obama outreach personnel. In a way I have never seen with a previous political party.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:34am |
re: #159 Eowyn2
you have wit but not razor sharp like buzzsawmonkey (who needs a shorter name)
Have Nair-y a fear, “buzz” will do.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:47am |
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jill e Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:59am |
From Glenn Greenwald:
Creepy, revealing quote from White House staffer
Jane Hamsher details the extremely aggressive tactics the White House and House leadership used to coerce liberal environmentalist members to vote for the cap-and-trade bill despite their belief that it helped polluters more than it did anything else (and remember their ability to do that the next time they claim that a bill they ostensibly support simply couldn’t pass because it lacked the necessary votes). Jane quotes from a Politico article reporting on White House anger towards environmentalist Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett, due to an impassioned floor speech he gave arguing that the bill was so industry-friendly that it would do more harm than good. That article contains this quote:
The White House is smoking mad at Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas), who says he’s voting against the climate bill — despite the lobbying of the entire First Family in the Oval Office last night.
If the bill goes down, Obama won’t forget Doggett’s role, Democrats say.
It’s “stunning that he would ignore the wishes not just of his president, but of his constituents and the country,” said an administration official.
This has become an emerging theme among both the White House and House leadership: that progressive membe ers of Congress have an obligation to carry out “the wishes of the President” even when they disagree (now, apparently, it’s “stunning” when they defy his dictates). That was the same subservient mentality that led House Democrats who admitted they opposed the war supplemental spending and/or the foreign bank bailout to nonetheless vote for the bill: because they President favored it. The duty of Congress is not to obey the wishes of the President.
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:01am |
re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, I wasn’t worried.
We should start worrying once he gets out….he cannot do much damage whilst in a hospital bed.
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kynna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:03am |
re: #162 Wendya
I’m surprised Richard Lamm hasn’t been made the “elder care czar” yet.
Sadly, I wouldn’t be at all surprised.
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:07am |
re: #90 Ben Hur
Why am I envisioning a Benny Hinn sermon?
Because you selected the wrong item when you tried to Tivo the Benny Hill show?
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Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:17am |
re: #157 MandyManners
Poor unicorn.
a picture’s worth a thousand four letter words
[Link: cgi.ebay.com…]
[Link: cgi.ebay.com…]
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VioletTiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:29am |
re: #8 jcm
CBS, Helen Thomas Challenge Gibbs On “Controlled” Town Hall Meeting
With age comes wisdom.
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scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:43am |
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:43am |
re: #164 Son of the Black Dog
The third one was featured on an episode of Grey’s Anatomy.
Missed that one.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:58:02am |
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Idle Drifter Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:58:06am |
re: #161 KenJen
I missed the Health Care Townhall Meeting. Did he smoke thru the whole thing?
Actually I’m more disturbed that the media is taking more of interest in the President’s smoking habits than asking the really hard questions about Obamacare, Cap & Trade, Hot Dog Foreign Policy, etc.
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debutaunt Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:58:44am |
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Pass The Moonbaticide Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:58:50am |
The boat’s crew included former U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney
What, Got a seamanship qualification as well now, does she ?
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:03am |
re: #183 jill e
Yeah, Doggett’s constituents in TEXAS want to BAN DOMESTIC DRILLING.
We would like our economy FUBAR, please!
/
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:07am |
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:14am |
re: #148 buzzsawmonkey
Was this the face that launched a thousand entitlements, and spent the topless towers of billions?
For some reason I just had a 40 virgins moment…
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:29am |
Short day for me, folks. I hope you all have a wonderful day, and hope to catch up with you tomorrow.
See y’all later!
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:31am |
All these plans from a man who said he would raise capital gains taxes even though it has been proven that lowering capital gains taxes results in increased tax revenue.
It’s not about money, it’s about destroying the great “American Experiment”.
He’s an ef’n socialist. And he wants to RULE your life.
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Wendya Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:35am |
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:43am |
re: #195 Pass The Moonbaticide
What, Got a seamanship qualification as well now, does she ?
I can’t believe she’s ever been close to seamen.
/
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:46am |
re: #188 Eowyn2
a picture’s worth a thousand four letter words
[Link: cgi.ebay.com…][Link: cgi.ebay.com…]
Invalid Item in the first link and a bunch of books in the second one.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:00:01pm |
re: #179 subsailor68
Not sure I’m buying this, but I’d sure like to:
They’re trying to downplay it for the inevitable failure to get what the far left wants done. It’s called managing expectations, and it’s also dealing with the reality that some of the oldest members of the Senate are in ill health and are hardly likely to be around all the time to thwart a filibuster. It doesn’t mean that the Democrats can’t ram through enough of their policy prescriptions. It just means that they have to try that much harder to get one or two GOPers to play along (aka buy ‘em off with pork and perks).
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:00:12pm |
re: #172 OldLineTexan
California tumbles into the sea
That’ll be the day I go back to Annandale
Tried to warn you ‘bout Obama and Teddy K
But I can’t seem to get to you through the US mail/sorry, Steely
/sorry, Dan
* * * *
Prophetic about California, where today,
California is paying people in IOUs.
Californians standing around not working, wailing for dead pop star.
California, formerly the world’s 8th largest economy.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:00:13pm |
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:00:16pm |
re: #53 Russkilitlover
Good on her. She may be laughable at times, but she got enough journalism smarts or training to not be so starry-eyed as her numerous peers.
A bit of cognitive dissonance when I think Helen Thomas has a point.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:00:17pm |
re: #198 Right mind left
For some reason I just had a 40 virgins moment…
Well, go get a towel and come right back. We’ll wait.
/
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razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:00:26pm |
re: #179 subsailor68
Not sure I’m buying this, but I’d sure like to:
Two of the six ‘moderate to conservative’ Democrats mentioned are from Arkansas.
They vote as they are told by the Democrat leadership.
They pull that trick of voting against the leadership during run-up votes so that they can boast their conservative roots, but at the end of the day they fall into line.
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RunningBare Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:00:33pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:00:35pm |
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:01:32pm |
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HoosierHoops Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:01:40pm |
re: #190 scottishbuzzsaw
Mandy, what are you up to this afternoon?
Did you slide the bottle of Baily’s to her?
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:01:43pm |
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scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:01:43pm |
re: #206 MandyManners
I posted twice.
Whoops. Missed that. Thought you were having a bit o’ fun. How’s the Kid feeling?
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:01:43pm |
re: #195 Pass The Moonbaticide
What, Got a seamanship qualification as well now, does she ?
No, she was a deck swab. That is, she could be used to swab the deck with her hair.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:02:24pm |
re: #211 MandyManners
Dick Lamm and the duty of old people to die.
Dick talks the talk, but Kevorkian …
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:02:34pm |
re: #216 Kosh’s Shadow
No, she was a deck swab. That is, she could be used to swab the deck with her hair.
Cynthia McQ-Tip?
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:02:34pm |
re: #216 Kosh’s Shadow
No, she was a deck swab. That is, she could be used to swab the deck with her hair.
The cruise peg-boy?
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:02:57pm |
re: #216 Kosh’s Shadow
No, she was a deck swab. That is, she could be used to swab the deck with her hair.
Maybe it’s a sailboat. She puts out a pretty stiff breeze.
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scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:06pm |
re: #213 HoosierHoops
Did you slide the bottle of Baily’s to her?
Not in a sharing mood today. ;>) How are you, HH?
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jackahou Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:07pm |
Just watched a segment of Pitchmen on the Discovery Channel featuring the late Billy Mays. Channel surfed quickly, with only a moments hesitation, past a news channel featuring BHO selling health care. Who do you trust more?
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:09pm |
re: #211 MandyManners
Dick Lamm and the duty of old people to die.
He’s old now, he should start by setting an example for other elderly people to follow.
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RunningBare Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:23pm |
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subsailor68 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:29pm |
re: #204 lawhawk
Sigh, I fear you’re right. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to Republican senators who fall for the ‘pork and perks’ enticements. Probably not much.
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VioletTiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:40pm |
re: #53 Russkilitlover
Good on her. She may be laughable at times, but she got enough journalism smarts or training to not be so starry-eyed as her numerous peers.
And could Gibbs be more of a dork?
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:48pm |
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:48pm |
re: #222 jackahou
Just watched a segment of Pitchmen on the Discovery Channel featuring the late Billy Mays. Channel surfed quickly, with only a moments hesitation, past a news channel featuring BHO selling health care. Who do you trust more?
Billy Mays beyond a doubt. That Oxy Clean stuff really works in the laundry. Can’t say the same for Obama Care.
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:52pm |
Stimulus and Recovery in Portland, OR.
Metro-area’s jobless jump outpaces the nation
For a second month, Portland metro-area unemployment has jumped more in a year than in any other U.S. urban hub, outdoing even greater Detroit …
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debutaunt Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:53pm |
re: #222 jackahou
Just watched a segment of Pitchmen on the Discovery Channel featuring the late Billy Mays. Channel surfed quickly, with only a moments hesitation, past a news channel featuring BHO selling health care. Who do you trust more?
But wait! There will be less!
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:56pm |
Could someone tell me seriously what the fuck Obama knows about health care, or energy policy, or economics, or national defense. Seriously.
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:03:59pm |
re: #218 Honorary Yooper
Cynthia McQ-Tip?
Shark repellant? One drop in the water and the sharks will swim away….fast
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:04:29pm |
re: #222 jackahou
Just watched a segment of Pitchmen on the Discovery Channel featuring the late Billy Mays. Channel surfed quickly, with only a moments hesitation, past a news channel featuring BHO selling health care. Who do you trust more?
When you sent money to Billy, you at least got something in return.
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:04:37pm |
re: #216 Kosh’s Shadow
No, she was a deck swab. That is, she could be used to swab the deck with her hair.
Was it the poop deck? That would explain her hair.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:04:47pm |
re: #222 jackahou
Just watched a segment of Pitchmen on the Discovery Channel featuring the late Billy Mays. Channel surfed quickly, with only a moments hesitation, past a news channel featuring BHO selling health care. Who do you trust more?
At least the stuff Billy Mays sold basically worked.
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WinterCat Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:04:47pm |
Pretty incredible watching the Thomas/Reid/Gibbs exchange. Gibbs is as smarmy and evasive as ever. Evidently the new process for reporters asking challenging questions in a white house press conference is for the reporter to email one’s question. “Have you emailed your question?” Gibbs retorts when asked why the “town hall” meetings are so tightly controlled. Gibbs is a sarcastic jerk.
Inch by inch perhaps the press will begin to see how they are being exploited and begin to push back. One (but not The One) can only hope.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:04:55pm |
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KingKenrod Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:05:26pm |
re: #209 razorbacker
Two of the six ‘moderate to conservative’ Democrats mentioned are from Arkansas.
They vote as they are told by the Democrat leadership.
They pull that trick of voting against the leadership during run-up votes so that they can boast their conservative roots, but at the end of the day they fall into line.
Those conservative Democrats may vote against their leadership on final votes, but they will still vote to end filibusters without worrying about the consequences. The leadership doesn’t have to bribe them into voting FOR a bill, just to vote “yes” on ending debate. With 10 votes to give, the leadership has plenty of cushion to let those conservative Dems vote with their constituents.
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:05:38pm |
re: #134 kansas
Have you emailed your question?
No, I tried to call, but the POTUS was on a smoke break./
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:05:50pm |
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:05:50pm |
re: #180 hazzyday
Pres Obama is a NEOCOM. Nothing wrong with calling him a communist. New World new meanings for old words.
His method is to work from within and evolve the country into a more government controlled grouping. It was bound to happen. Capitalism has been on a tear making a few people rich and a lot of people poor.
Redistributing wealth to people who can manipulate the economy from people who are at the mercy of colluding creditors. More control of complex markets is probably not a bad thing. But to impose more government on a working person it not a good thing.Pres. Obama hasn’t given up on his massive grassroots voter rollout. Those people are becoming government volunteers. All facets of society are being covered, analyzed, and talked to. The scope is impressive. It’s effect is to focus on any dissent and remove it ahead of time. A lot of local social groups mailing lists I am on have had contact with stimulus/Obama outreach personnel. In a way I have never seen with a previous political party.
You are wrong on so many levels.
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hazzyday Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:06:07pm |
re: #229 jcm
Portland. Home of KT, Stash Tea, Anarchists, Rowdy Strip clubs, and roses.
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HoosierHoops Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:06:22pm |
re: #221 scottishbuzzsaw
Not in a sharing mood today. ;>) How are you, HH?
Just Wonderful.. It’s slow here so the day is taking forever to go by..
Hope today finds you well
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Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:06:27pm |
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:06:28pm |
re: #231 kansas
Could someone tell me seriously what the fuck Obama knows about health care, or energy policy, or economics, or national defense. Seriously.
* * * *
Well, Obama’s wife Michelle had a great $300,000 job in healthcare.
Healthcare was a great green job for Michelle Obama.
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DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:06:43pm |
re: #222 jackahou
Just watched a segment of Pitchmen on the Discovery Channel featuring the late Billy Mays. Channel surfed quickly, with only a moments hesitation, past a news channel featuring BHO selling health care. Who do you trust more?
I’ll take that oxyclean and raise you a Ron Popeil.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:07:13pm |
re: #247 DaddyG
I’ll take that oxyclean and raise you a Ron Popeil.
But everything Obama does is a sham, with no wow.
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JamesTKirk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:07:14pm |
re: #222 jackahou
Just watched a segment of Pitchmen on the Discovery Channel featuring the late Billy Mays. Channel surfed quickly, with only a moments hesitation, past a news channel featuring BHO selling health care. Who do you trust more?
Obama is a sham. Wow.
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:07:20pm |
re: #238 kansas
Any new jobs created lately?
No, but millions were saved …. I know …. I’m the one who made up the number.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:07:31pm |
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:08:03pm |
re: #249 JamesTKirk
Obama is a sham. Wow.
But it’s made in Germany, and you know the Germans make great stuff.
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:08:06pm |
re: #238 kansas
Any new jobs created lately?
* * * *
Paying people to sit in townhalls with your tax dollars?
Studio audience members for Obama, all expenses paid by bailout.
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:08:16pm |
re: #240 avanti
No, I tried to call, but the POTUS was on a smoke break./
I can only hope he would stay on a smoke break and stop trying to fix things that aren’t broken.
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hazzyday Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:08:19pm |
re: #242 Son of the Black Dog
I made some statements. You said nothing factual at all. You lose. What’s your point?
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:08:33pm |
re: #208 OldLineTexan
Well, go get a towel and come right back. We’ll wait.
/
Thanks for waiting (I needed to soak in brain bleach) Mr. Entitlements and topless towers of hooey launched me in the wrong direction! It probably would have been better if I were a man…but when you are a woman, that moment doesn’t do much at all - you know, virgins don’t know how to do much of anything so it would be a tedious process with 40!
(Kinda like watching the 0 take Presidents 101…//)
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Mike McDaniel Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:08:37pm |
re: #162 Wendya
I’m surprised Richard Lamm hasn’t been made the “elder care czar” yet.
The job is reserved for Jack Kevorkian. He’ll be the new Social Security Administerer.
Unless, of course, you are a big donor to the Democrats.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:09:09pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:09:16pm |
re: #215 scottishbuzzsaw
Whoops. Missed that. Thought you were having a bit o’ fun. How’s the Kid feeling?
He’s keeping down his chicken soup I made today.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:09:28pm |
re: #257 Mike McDaniel
The job is reserved for Jack Kevorkian. He’ll be the new Social Security Administerer.
Unless, of course, you are a big donor to the Democrats.
I thought he be the Soylent Green Czar.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:09:40pm |
re: #256 Right mind left
(Kinda like watching the 0 take Presidents 101…//)
I think he’s finding out he can’t vote present for this job.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:10:00pm |
re: #238 kansas
Any new jobs created lately?
/nope, good thing we wasted a trillion dollars on worthless “stimulus”
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:10:12pm |
re: #261 BlueCanuck
I think he’s finding out he can’t vote present for this job.
It would be an improvement if he did.
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:10:24pm |
re: #261 BlueCanuck
I think he’s finding out he can’t vote present for this job.
True but I get the feeling he thinks he IS the present…!
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Wendya Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:10:26pm |
re: #227 Creeping Eruption
It was illegal to drink and carry before and it’s still illegal. This bill simply allows someone with a concealed carry permit to enter an establishment that serves alcohol (bar, restaurant) without having to disarm unless the owner specifically requires it.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:11:08pm |
re: #264 Right mind left
True but I get the feeling he thinks he IS the present…!
Alas, once again it’s proven. Democrats rarely think in the future.
/all is now, now is all
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:11:25pm |
Sometimes, I get the feeling that people in the government are lying to me.
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scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:11:27pm |
re: #259 MandyManners
He’s keeping down his chicken soup I made today.
Nothing better for whatever ails than Mandy Mom’s Chicken Soup.
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Right mind left Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:11:45pm |
re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sometimes, I get the feeling that people in the government are lying to me.
HAHAHAHAHAAaa…
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:11:57pm |
re: #265 Wendya
I know. I am jealous. I am in one of 2 (?) States without a conceal-carry law.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:12:02pm |
re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sometimes, I get the feeling that people in the government are lying to me.
Sometimes? Just waking up now are you? ;)
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:12:05pm |
re: #223 Desert Dog
He’s old now, he should start by setting an example for other elderly people to follow.
He’s Mr. Elite.
Kinda’ reminds me when people would tell Phyllis Schafly to shut up and go back to her kitchen.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:12:10pm |
re: #265 Wendya
Yeah, but I can see the conversation now.
“He’s loaded, she’s loaded, and he’s loaded.”
Translation: “He’s drunk, she’s good looking, and he’s carrying.”
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:12:40pm |
re: #270 Creeping Eruption
I know. I am jealous. I am in one of 2 (?) States without a conceal-carry law.
At least you have open-carry. Can’t even claim that in Illinois.
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:13:26pm |
re: #262 Killian Bundy
“You ain’t seen nothin yet”. Barack Obama.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:13:40pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:13:47pm |
re: #265 Wendya
That’s how I read it…………
I’ve been in some rough bars that served food…….
With out a gun I felt…..ah….Naked!
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Killian Bundy Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:14:02pm |
Hugging cancer patient, Obama pitches health plan
Debby Smith, 53, of Appalachia, Va., fought tears as she told Obama of her kidney cancer and her inability to obtain health insurance or hold a job. The president embraced her and called her “exhibit A” in an unsustainable system that is too expensive and complex for millions of Americans.
Now fork over another $3 trillion and your private health insurance coverage.
/it’s for Debby, and Michelle’s children
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:14:35pm |
Obama used Facebook, Twitter and Youtube or other online communication methods to broadcast his fake Townhall today.
Obama’s using Mousavi’s Iran revolution methods to get stealth support for his takeover of healthcare, pressuring wobbly politicians and trying to circumvent “old” media resistance.
You’re supposed to feel resistance to these bad ideas is FUTILE.
Yuck. Don’t give in to this fake propaganda appearing real.
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VioletTiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:15:14pm |
You may have already heard this, but Obama is still in campaign mode and still raising money. A freind of mine is still on his email list. here is a recent letter regarding healthcare:
Friend —
Last year, millions of Americans came together for a great purpose.
Folks like you assembled a grassroots movement that shocked the political establishment and changed the course of our nation. When Washington insiders counted us out, we put it all on the line and changed our democracy from the bottom up. But that’s not why we did it.
The pundits told us it was impossible — that the donations working people could afford and the hours volunteers could give would never loosen the vise grip of big money and powerful special interests. We proved them wrong. But as important as that was, that’s not why we did it.
Today, spiraling health care costs are pushing our families and businesses to the brink of ruin, while millions of Americans go without the care they desperately need. Fixing this broken system will be enormously difficult. But we can succeed. The chance to make fundamental change like this in people’s daily lives — that is why we did it.
The campaign to pass real health care reform in 2009 is the biggest test of our movement since the election. Once again, victory is far from certain. Our opposition will be fierce, and they have been down this road before. To prevail, we must once more build a coast-to-coast operation ready to knock on doors, deploy volunteers, get out the facts, and show the world how real change happens in America.
And just like before, I cannot do it without your support.
So I’m asking you to remember all that you gave over the last two years to get us here — all the time, resources, and faith you invested as a down payment to earn us our place at this crossroads in history. All that you’ve done has led up to this — and whether or not our country takes the next crucial step depends on what you do right now.
Please donate whatever you can afford to support the campaign for real health care reform in 2009.
It doesn’t matter how much you can give, as long as you give what you can. Millions of families on the brink are counting on us to do just that. I know we can deliver.
Thank you, so much, for getting us this far. And thank you for standing up once again to take us the rest of the way.
Sincerely,
President Barack Obama
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:15:32pm |
re: #279 alegrias
Obama used Facebook, Twitter and Youtube or other online communication methods to broadcast his fake Townhall today.
Obama’s using Mousavi’s Iran revolution methods to get stealth support for his takeover of healthcare, pressuring wobbly politicians and trying to circumvent “old” media resistance.
You’re supposed to feel resistance to these bad ideas is FUTILE.
Yuck. Don’t give in to this fake propaganda appearing real.
Where in the world did anyone find “old media resistance”?
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:16:01pm |
re: #278 Killian Bundy
Hugging cancer patient, Obama pitches health plan
Now fork over another $3 trillion and your private health insurance coverage.
/it’s for Debby, and Michelle’s children
Now I feel sick. I hate these sob stories. No job, no health insurance. Bet she has Medicaid, or SSDI.
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WinterCat Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:16:16pm |
re: #180 hazzyday
Capitalism has been on a tear making a few people rich and a lot of people poor.
I am a big fan of capitalism. For all of it’s problems, it is the best economic system in the world. It enabled me (and every member of my family) to move from the lower economic strata to a much better economic situation by letting me live the life I wanted to live, not the life my government deemed I should live. So, I don’t believe that capitalism has made a lot of people poor. Capitalism creates jobs. How you think they are poorer, I don’t know. But I would love to hear your reasoning for that statement.
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:16:49pm |
Obama Consoles Patient Who Can’t Pay Expensesre: #278 Killian Bundy
Hugging cancer patient, Obama pitches health plan
Now fork over another $3 trillion and your private health insurance coverage.
/it’s for Debby, and Michelle’s children
Don’t forget this town hall was scripted…….
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:16:56pm |
re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sometimes, I get the feeling that people in the government are lying to me.
If politicians were Pinnochio, we’d be able to use their noses as the structure for a space elevator.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:18:10pm |
re: #262 Killian Bundy
But most of the stimulus hasn’t even been spent yet. Only a fraction has. The way it was set up, the spending was invariably backloaded to 2010 and 2011, well past the time that any stimulus was needed, but the spending was already seen as a lead weight around the neck of the US economy.
All the administration’s predictions about the economy, economic growth, and revenue forecasts are all wrong because reality has shown the unemployment rate to be far higher than ever anticipated by Obama and his cronies. That means that all the expenditures to deal with unemployment require that much more spending of money that we don’t have (and which requires the printing of still more money).
The American people were willing to give Obama the benefit of doubt the past few months, but their patience is going to wear thin as the double digit unemployment is on the way and the Administration plays coy with the true costs of the cap and trade and health care follies they’ve been proposing.
Instead of pushing tax cuts to spur economic development, the Democrats went the tax and spend route - with the typical consequences.
Oh, and Democrats in Congress will argue that the porkfest didn’t spend nearly enough and propose to spend even more to make the economy go again.
If it goes any more, it will be into cardiac arrest.
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:19:55pm |
re: #281 eschew_obfuscation
Where in the world did anyone find “old media resistance”?
* * * *
Have you missed Obama & democrats bashing Fox News?
Did you miss today’s news that even Helen Thomas is skeptical of Pres. Obama’s staged “townhalls”?
Did you miss the wet noodle lashes against Pres. Obama’s timid stance during the Iranian protesters’ deaths?
It’s tiny but it’s growing.
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:20:55pm |
re: #283 WinterCat
I am a big fan of capitalism. For all of it’s problems, it is the best economic system in the world. It enabled me (and every member of my family) to move from the lower economic strata to a much better economic situation by letting me live the life I wanted to live, not the life my government deemed I should live. So, I don’t believe that capitalism has made a lot of people poor. Capitalism creates jobs. How you think they are poorer, I don’t know. But I would love to hear your reasoning for that statement.
It’s very simple……
Would you rather be poor here.
Or in Sudan, Congo, or a bunch of other places.
Also, our economic “classes” are not static. A lot of “the poor” are people starting out, in 10 years they’ll be solidly middle class.
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jill e Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:21:15pm |
Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by “a network of small complicated rules” might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called ‘hard despotism’) in the sense that it is not obvious to the people. Soft despotism gives people the illusion that they are in control, when in fact they have very little influence over their government. Soft despotism breeds fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the general populace. Alexis de Tocqueville observed that this trend was avoided in America only by the “habits of the heart” of its 19th-century populace.
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:21:48pm |
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alegrias Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:21:50pm |
re: #282 kansas
Now I feel sick. I hate these sob stories. No job, no health insurance. Bet she has Medicaid, or SSDI.
* * *
Virginia is an all democrat state, our governor was supposedly a VEEP candidate for Obama, how can anyone be without free everything?
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:21:55pm |
re: #287 alegrias
* * * *
Have you missed Obama & democrats bashing Fox News?Did you miss today’s news that even Helen Thomas is skeptical of Pres. Obama’s staged “townhalls”?
Did you miss the wet noodle lashes against Pres. Obama’s timid stance during the Iranian protesters’ deaths?
It’s tiny but it’s growing.
I guess I did miss Helen Thomas and anyone (other than us) complaining about the strength of Obama’s Iran reaction…. gotta get out more ;-)
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:21:57pm |
re: #274 Honorary Yooper
At least you have open-carry. Can’t even claim that in Illinois.
Cops said they will ticket anyone who does it (setting up conflict with Republican Attorney General who said it was ok). So far, there has not been anything in the news about people trying it. also, many of the communities outside Milwaukee, are passing specific ordinances making that illegal.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:22:49pm |
re: #46 jill e
New bumper sticker:
Please don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion.
Lemme see. He’s already gone through a boatload, a ton, a gazillion, a bazillion, and a heap of money.
Not to worry. The printing presses are in good working order and the electronic printing presses can spit out new dollars faster than the most vigorous government spending program can go through them.
In practice, govt. health care will follow the pattern it has settled into in Europe and Canada. Rationing, triage, tolerable basic care for toothaches and skinned knees, and nothing for quality of life procedures such as joint replacement surgery. It won’t kill you outright to go on a cane because your knees have worn out. You’d like to be able to walk normally, and the procedure is well understood and available to qualified patients, but unfortunately for you, you’re over “n” years and so, like almost everybody who needs the procedure, you don’t qualify.
The rational citizenry’s response to this would be to vote the Congress that enacts it out of office. But good luck with that. The rational individual citizen’s response to this would be to prepare for a future in which the only way to be healthy for longer is diet and exercise. The govt. cannot forbid you to skip desert, after all.
Then again, look at their proposal to punish the people who went and bought fuel efficient cars. Yep—-now they want to tax you by the mile, and install a GPS in your car that reports where you are, 7/24, so that they can track your miles. No other use will be made of the info. Honest.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:23:19pm |
re: #286 lawhawk
But most of the stimulus hasn’t even been spent yet. Only a fraction has.
And now that the conomy’s recovering on it’s own, without any help from the “stimulus”, the influx of the rest of the trillion in borrowed government spending will only retard economic growth and spur inflation.
/good thinking, what a brilliant plan, bring the clown car around, our work here is done
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WinterCat Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:23:24pm |
re: #288 jcm
It’s very simple……
Would you rather be poor here.
Or in Sudan, Congo, or a bunch of other places.Also, our economic “classes” are not static. A lot of “the poor” are people starting out, in 10 years they’ll be solidly middle class.
Yes. Because of capitalism. I think we are saying the same thing here. Aren’t we?
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:24:04pm |
re: #294 Creeping Eruption
Cops said they will ticket anyone who does it (setting up conflict with Republican Attorney General who said it was ok). So far, there has not been anything in the news about people trying it. also, many of the communities outside Milwaukee, are passing specific ordinances making that illegal.
Many times, the cops will get you for disturbing the peace if they want to target open carriers. Happens in Nebraska often enough.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:24:23pm |
re: #291 avanti
You are aware that most BAD guys are packing 90% of the
time in Bars,Grocery store,conv stores…etc….
Now good citizens can legally…..
There is a bit of concern on my part also!
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jamgarr Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:26:20pm |
re: #32 redstateredneck
Barbers will be health care workers.
Why not? Cheerios are drugs. Breath is poison.
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:27:54pm |
re: #299 eschew_obfuscation
Many times, the cops will get you for disturbing the peace if they want to target open carriers. Happens in Nebraska often enough.
WA has a “Black Panther” law, openly carry firearms to intimidate is against the law. That’s been broadly interpreted by urban LE agencies to discourage all open carry. There is a movement to educate, using AG findings that open carry is legal in the State.
WA is also a “shall issue” state.
1 in 25 in WA have CPL (concealed pistol license).
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nikis-knight Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:29:05pm |
re: #15 jill e
Actually this was said by Obama yesterday at the White House for a GLBT reception (not during today’s Town Hall meeting as cited in last thread):
“I expect and hope to be judged not by words, not by promises I’ve made, but by the promises that my administration keeps,” Obama said. “… I suspect that by the time this administration is over, I think you guys will have pretty good feelings about the Obama administration.”
Good point, actually. If Obama doesn’t follow through on all the things he’s promised, I’ll feel much better about him.
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jamgarr Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:29:07pm |
re: #300 reloadingisnotahobby
You are aware that most BAD guys are packing 90% of the
time in Bars,Grocery store,conv stores…etc….
Now good citizens can legally…..
There is a bit of concern on my part also!
I live near a metropolitan area that is, how shall I say, crime-ridden. I saw an older Cadillac last year with a license plate that read: PAKN 9. No sh*t. I don’t know how that guy gets 2 blocks without getting pulled over.
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:29:11pm |
re: #284 jcm
Obama Consoles Patient Who Can’t Pay Expenses
Don’t forget this town hall was scripted…….
Prove it please. All it would take is one of those were there to speak up and become famous if it was so. Every time he holds a town hall, I hear the same charge, so far, no proof that he knew the questions before hand. It would be very hard to pull off, and a disaster if proven.
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:30:36pm |
re: #305 avanti
Prove it please. All it would take is one of those were there to speak up and become famous if it was so. Every time he holds a town hall, I hear the same charge, so far, no proof that he knew the questions before hand. It would be very hard to pull off, and a disaster if proven.
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Wendya Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:30:58pm |
re: #283 WinterCat
Capitalism creates jobs. How you think they are poorer, I don’t know. But I would love to hear your reasoning for that statement.
Government interference makes people poor and costs jobs.
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formercorpsman Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:36:35pm |
re: #305 avanti
I’m not saying it is the case here, but you really should dig some stuff up concerning this.
Many blogs did go through the trouble of investigating the phenomenon at previous Town Hall events.
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Wendya Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:40:58pm |
re: #291 avanti
That’s not going to turn out well IMHO.
Why is that?
The people who are likely to drink while armed have been doing it all along.
When my state first passed the concealed carry laws back in ‘93, they prohibited carrying a weapon into any establishment that sold alcohol. Since every grocery store and convenience store sells booze here, that forced people to lock their guns away before they ran into the store to get a gallon of milk. The legislature finally got a clue and changed it to establishments that serve by the drink. We didn’t have shootouts in the booze aisle of the grocery stores.
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Pianobuff Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:43:34pm |
re: #305 avanti
Prove it please. All it would take is one of those were there to speak up and become famous if it was so. Every time he holds a town hall, I hear the same charge, so far, no proof that he knew the questions before hand. It would be very hard to pull off, and a disaster if proven.
1st item that I opened on a Google search….
Obama Town Hall Questioners Were Campaign Backers
Excerpt…..
“But while the online question portion of the White House town hall was open to any member of the public with an Internet connection, the five fully identified questioners called on randomly by the president in the East Room were anything but a diverse lot. They included: a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union, a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary; a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star; and a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obama’s campaign in 2008.”
Is this what you were looking for?
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SixDegrees Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:45:53pm |
re: #179 subsailor68
Not sure I’m buying this, but I’d sure like to:
Holding together the entire Democrat bloc in the Senate would be an almost unheard of feat. There almost always “defections” from the party line. The 60-vote super majority is an illusion heavily promoted by the media which is pretty much meaningless.
This cuts the other way, too; it is just as unlikely that the Republicans will be able to hold all their members together - it certainly hasn’t worked out that way in the recent past. So that thread-thin margin could become just as meaningless in the opposite sense.
Even in the House, there were a surprising number of Democrats (40+?) who bailed on the party and voted against the bill; an organized effort to reach across the aisle and solicit just a few more “no” votes would have more than negated the GOP’s own defections and sent the bill to defeat.
The biggest problem right now is the GOP’s apparent unwillingness to do any outreach. It’s stupid - the only way they can possibly prevent Democrats from passing their agenda is to solicit defections to join their minority. They will have to be willing to give something back, of course, but that’s the way politics works. If they can’t bring themselves to reach out for support from the Dems, they might as well just stamp “Loser!” on their collective foreheads and not bother attending.
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:51:43pm |
re: #300 reloadingisnotahobby
You are aware that most BAD guys are packing 90% of the
time in Bars,Grocery store,conv stores…etc….
Now good citizens can legally…..
There is a bit of concern on my part also!
I spend to much time in bars not to be concerned. I can see a mean drunk throwing a punch at a good citizen and paying a heavy price. I’m not opposed to carry laws, but how do we know that guy packing won’t have a few beers, or get in a dust up with a drunk ?
If the carry requirements are pretty stiff, and the penalties for drinking while armed are tough it may turn out all right.
We’ll see if lives are lost or saved, but I have concerns. I have a dear friend that a mean drunk, but she’s local, so I need not worry I guess.
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:53:19pm |
re: #308 formercorpsman
I’m not saying it is the case here, but you really should dig some stuff up concerning this.
Many blogs did go through the trouble of investigating the phenomenon at previous Town Hall events.
I’d seen the similar accusations about Bush on blogs, but I’d prefer proof from both sides.
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:55:05pm |
re: #309 Wendya
Why is that?
The people who are likely to drink while armed have been doing it all along.
When my state first passed the concealed carry laws back in ‘93, they prohibited carrying a weapon into any establishment that sold alcohol. Since every grocery store and convenience store sells booze here, that forced people to lock their guns away before they ran into the store to get a gallon of milk. The legislature finally got a clue and changed it to establishments that serve by the drink. We didn’t have shootouts in the booze aisle of the grocery stores.
I see no problem with carrying into a store that sells booze, just a place where it is consumed. That is not a subtle difference IMHO.
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:55:35pm |
< Excerpt…..
“But while the online question portion of the White House town hall was open to any member of the public with an Internet connection, the five fully identified questioners called on randomly by the president in the East Room were anything but a diverse lot. They included: a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union, a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary; a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star; and a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obama’s campaign in 2008.”
Is this what you were looking for?
Crickets.
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kansas Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:58:05pm |
Obama: Time To ‘Stop Clinging To’ Unworkable Health Care System
Because the system doesn’t work. Right.
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:02:37pm |
re: #302 jcm
WA has a “Black Panther” law, openly carry firearms to intimidate is against the law. That’s been broadly interpreted by urban LE agencies to discourage all open carry. There is a movement to educate, using AG findings that open carry is legal in the State.
WA is also a “shall issue” state.
1 in 25 in WA have CPL (concealed pistol license).
Interesting….. 1 in 25 is a pretty high rate compared to NE. In the first year of our CC law, we only has something like 500 issued permits and all it requires is a certified class and an FBI background check.
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:03:29pm |
re: #314 avanti
I see no problem with carrying into a store that sells booze, just a place where it is consumed. That is not a subtle difference IMHO.
Booze and Guns don’t mix.
To me, a responsible gun owner and carrier. ( I R 1 )
Won’t drink to excess while carrying.
I’m split on the issue. I prefer as few restrictions as possible. But see above rule.
We’ll see what happens. It will be a good study.
Case in point, awhile back in WA they wanted to close the so called “gun show loop hole” a WA senator asked the AG to find the number of cases where a gun show gun was used in a crime.
Result of the study?
ZERO
The senator simply pointed out, why make a law when there is no problem?
We’ll see with this if there is a problem.
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nobs Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:06:05pm |
re: #310 Pianobuff
1st item that I opened on a Google search….
Obama Town Hall Questioners Were Campaign Backers
Excerpt…..
“But while the online question portion of the White House town hall was open to any member of the public with an Internet connection, the five fully identified questioners called on randomly by the president in the East Room were anything but a diverse lot. They included: a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union, a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary; a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star; and a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obama’s campaign in 2008.”
Is this what you were looking for?
avanti is this what you were looking for? I noticed you replied to others but seemed to miss this one………
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:06:08pm |
re: #315 kansas
< Excerpt…..
“But while the online question portion of the White House town hall was open to any member of the public with an Internet connection, the five fully identified questioners called on randomly by the president in the East Room were anything but a diverse lot. They included: a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union, a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary; a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star; and a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obama’s campaign in 2008.”
Is this what you were looking for?
Crickets.
You got me there, good catch. It appears in the Post case, the room was stocked with supporters and even though he did not know what the questions would be, he knew they would be soft balls. (with the exception of the legalization of pot question)
At that town hall at least, it was not as open as advertised and you nailed it.
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:07:12pm |
re: #320 jcm
Booze and Guns don’t mix.
To me, a responsible gun owner and carrier. ( I R 1 )
Won’t drink to excess while carrying.I’m split on the issue. I prefer as few restrictions as possible. But see above rule.
We’ll see what happens. It will be a good study.
Case in point, awhile back in WA they wanted to close the so called “gun show loop hole” a WA senator asked the AG to find the number of cases where a gun show gun was used in a crime.
Result of the study?
ZERO
The senator simply pointed out, why make a law when there is no problem?
We’ll see with this if there is a problem.
I strongly suspect we’d find similar numbers of CCW holders involved in crime with a gun, but we won’t be hearing that from the gun control crowd.
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avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:08:24pm |
re: #321 nobs
avanti is this what you were looking for? I noticed you replied to others but seemed to miss this one………
I replied, I just spent a few minutes on Google doing my homework, but I got the proof I asked for.
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jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:13:47pm |
re: #323 eschew_obfuscation
I strongly suspect we’d find similar numbers of CCW holders involved in crime with a gun, but we won’t be hearing that from the gun control crowd.
I don’t have the number handy but your are correct.
The number of crimes with legally held firearms is vanishingly small.
One exception, is Naveed Haq the Seattle Jewish Center shooter.
He had a CPL (WA’s CCW) but lied about his mental history on the application.
Because of HIPA rules, LE can’t verify mental health history.
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