Palin Not So ‘Rogue’ After All

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A new book on the 2008 presidential campaign reveals that Sarah Palin’s (in)famous line about Barack Obama “palling around with terrorists” apparently came straight from the McCain camp: ’Pals Around With Terrorists’: Palin Wasn’t That Rogue, After All.

On the subject of linking Obama to ex-Weatherman Bill Ayers, it turns out that Palin hadn’t gone rogue. �Balz and Johnson answer this question pretty definitively. They’ve obtained an e-mail from campaign adviser Nicolle Wallace sent to Palin on the morning of October 4rd, with an attached New York Times article about Obama’s relationship with Ayers.

Turns out that the McCain campaign was a week away from running an ad linking Obama to Ayers. The e-mail from Wallace, according to Balz and Johnson, reads as follows: “Governor and Team: rick [Davis], Steve [Schmidt] and I suggest the following attack from the new york times. If you are comfortable, please deliver the attack as written. Please do not make any changes to the below without approval from steve or myself because precision is crucial in our ability to introduce this.”�

McCain HQ had suggested the following line: “This is not a man who sees American as you and I do — as the greatest force for good in the world. This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country.”

At the event, Palin�said this:

“Our opponent … is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country. This is not a man who sees America as you see America and as I see America.”

Nice. So McCain set Palin up as the attack dog, then let her take the fall when the attack backfired. Ain’t politics grand?

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119 comments
1 Pickles  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:12:19pm

I never liked McCain and have always felt he was two faced. Palin did step right into it though so she may not be a rogue but she is a dupe.

2 LSD  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:14:47pm

Chickens coming home to Roost…

3 jaunte  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:15:00pm

“Schmidt has never denied ordering this attack, although others in the campaign told me at the time that Palin had instigated it.”

Did he forget their names?

4 debutaunt  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:15:06pm

I hate politics and the animals it rides in on.

5 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:16:00pm

More dirty politics, whee.

6 kilroy  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:16:28pm

John McCain was the first Republican selected by Democrats as their opposition candidate. It’s good that Palin used that line, it’s one of the reasons she will have my future support!

7 albusteve  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:17:08pm

re: #4 debutaunt

I hate politics and the animals it rides in on.

agreed….there is no honor among thieves

8 dmandman  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:17:25pm

re: #1 Pickles

I don’t think she was a dupe…
You either (in a campaign) do two things with your VP candidate. Hide the person in as dark a place as possible and use only as a figurehead (think Truman) or in as bright a light as possible to use a lightning rod with attack rhetoric to see how the general public reacts to a particular idea or political ploy. If it works put the main player in front, if it fails the use plausible deniability to get yourself out the jam. She new this coming in and ran with it. And what is wrong with stating the truth….it sometimes works better than a lie.

9 Lincolntf  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:18:01pm

“This is not a man who sees America as you see America and as I see America.”

Whoever wrote this line certainly hit the nail on the head.

10 opnion  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:18:32pm

This is really interesting if true. It would mean that McCain used Plain to do the negative campaigning that he wouldn’t do.
He defended Obama & let Palin twist on her own. Bad form

11 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:18:55pm

Isn’t it a traditional role of the Vice Presidential candidate to say the stuff the Presidential candidate cannot?

12 soxfan4life  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:19:46pm

re: #10 opnion

This is really interesting if true. It would mean that McCain used Plain to do the negative campaigning that he wouldn’t do.
He defended Obama & let Palin twist on her own. Bad form

It’s not like he wanted to win anyway. Even John Kerry’s campaign manager could have done a better job.

13 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:20:13pm

Palin might also not be a much a Far Right Winger as so many people have tried to smear her as:

EXCLUSIVE: Palin to stump for conservative Democrats
By Ralph Z. Hallow (Contact) %P% Sunday, July 12, 2009

ANCHORAGE, Alaska %P% Brushing aside the criticisms of pundits and politicos, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she plans to jump immediately back into the national political fray — stumping for conservative issues and even Democrats — after she prematurely vacates her elected post at month’s end.

The former Republican vice-presidential nominee and heroine to much of the GOP’s base said in an interview she views the electorate as embattled and fatigued by nonstop partisanship, and she is eager to campaign for Republicans, independents and even Democrats who share her values on limited government, strong defense and “energy independence.”

“I will go around the country on behalf of candidates who believe in the right things, regardless of their party label or affiliation,” she said over lunch in her downtown office, 40 miles from her now-famous hometown of Wasilla — population 7,000 — where she began her political career.

“People are so tired of the partisan stuff — even my own son is not a Republican,” said Mrs. Palin, who stunned the political world earlier this month with her decision to step down as governor July 26 with 18 months left in her term.

14 debutaunt  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:20:34pm

re: #11 experiencedtraveller

Isn’t it a traditional role of the Vice Presidential candidate to say the stuff the Presidential candidate cannot?

That must be what Biden was doing.

15 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:21:01pm

re: #11 experiencedtraveller

Isn’t it a traditional role of the Vice Presidential candidate to say the stuff the Presidential candidate cannot?

Yes but, the candidate’s people shouldn’t then stab her in the back. From the article: while folks close to McCain have accused Palin of going “rogue” and pointed to the “pals around” attack as an example of how Palin simply could not be controlled.

16 Lincolntf  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:21:24pm

re: #10 opnion

Sadly, it seems that McCain spent all of his considerable courage while in Vietnam.
It’s too bad, he could’ve been a real leader.

17 dmandman  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:21:33pm

re: #13 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don’t know we might see some defections to the R side of the aisle and guess who the would be most beholden too?

18 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:22:03pm

re: #15 MandyManners

Yes but, the candidate’s people shouldn’t then stab her in the back. From the article: while folks close to McCain have accused Palin of going “rogue” and pointed to the “pals around” attack as an example of how Palin simply could not be controlled.

Those advisers—and, possibly McCain—wanted both worlds: to speak the truth about FCBBHO while still being seen as “nice”.

19 soxfan4life  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:22:19pm

re: #14 debutaunt

That must be what Biden was doing.

Was, did I miss something? Is Biden no longer our VP, the problem with Joe is he hasn’t figured out there is a difference between being a VP candidate and being the VP.

20 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #15 MandyManners

Yes but, the candidate’s people shouldn’t then stab her in the back. From the article: while folks close to McCain have accused Palin of going “rogue” and pointed to the “pals around” attack as an example of how Palin simply could not be controlled.

They set her up and then threw her over the cliff when the attacks back-fired. The entirety of McCain’s campaign strategy in a nutshell.

21 albusteve  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:23:06pm

re: #10 opnion

This is really interesting if true. It would mean that McCain used Plain to do the negative campaigning that he wouldn’t do.
He defended Obama & let Palin twist on her own. Bad form


of course, probably not the first time either…I used to like McCain until he went off and turned on the American public supporting that crackpot immigration reform…that was too much for me…the consummate selfish politician that smiles while he fucks you over

22 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:24:14pm

re: #21 albusteve

of course, probably not the first time either…I used to like McCain until he went off and turned on the American public supporting that crackpot immigration reform…that was too much for me…the consummate selfish politician that smiles while he fucks you over

I saw that essential political characteristic back in 2000 during the primaries.

23 debutaunt  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:24:25pm

re: #19 soxfan4life

Was, did I miss something? Is Biden no longer our VP, the problem with Joe is he hasn’t figured out there is a difference between being a VP candidate and being the VP.

I was trying to stay with the VP candidate issue.

24 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:24:52pm

re: #20 FurryOldGuyJeans

They set her up and then threw her over the cliff when the attacks back-fired. The entirety of McCain’s campaign strategy in a nutshell.

If he had stood by her he might be president now.

25 Shug  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:25:01pm

When you pal around with RINOS, sometimes you get gored

26 opnion  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:25:04pm

re: #12 soxfan4life

It’s not like he wanted to win anyway. Even John Kerry’s campaign manager could have done a better job.

At times it seemed like McCain was more interested in remaining the favorite Republican of the MSM & the Democrats than he was in winning.
Palin takes a lot of shots, but she campaigned with more fire than McCain.

27 Lincolntf  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #11 experiencedtraveller

Yes, usually. But this time around the VP was the star. And since the Libs/MSM couldn’t really call McCain an evil arch-Conservative after spending years telling us what a great “across-the-aisle” kind of guy he was, she became the punching bag. Anything she said was panned, mocked and caricatured within minutes of leaving her mouth.

28 voirdire  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:25:21pm

What do you mean, “backfired?” Where’s McCain now?

29 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:25:52pm

re: #11 experiencedtraveller

Isn’t it a traditional role of the Vice Presidential candidate to say the stuff the Presidential candidate cannot?

I’ve heard that, but I don’t think it follows that the presidential candidate then allows his vice-presidential pick to twist in the wind when she is lynched for saying what the campaign asked her to say.

30 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:26:16pm

re: #19 soxfan4life

Was, did I miss something? Is Biden no longer our VP, the problem with Joe is he hasn’t figured out there is a difference between being a VP candidate and being the VP.

Our Man Obama sure is finding the difference of POTUS candidate and POTUS difficult to discern.

31 albusteve  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:26:28pm

re: #24 MandyManners

If he had stood by her he might be president now.

to this day I do not think he wanted it that bad….just hand it over, if not so be it…closet Obot if you ask me

32 opnion  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:26:49pm

re: #16 Lincolntf

Sadly, it seems that McCain spent all of his considerable courage while in Vietnam.
It’s too bad, he could’ve been a real leader.

Yeah, that young man that was such a hero in Viet Nam is still there somewhere. He needed to find that guy during the campaign.
I”m not a McCain fan, but he is a real American hero.

33 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:27:02pm

re: #24 MandyManners

If he had stood by her he might be president now.

By that, I mean that if he had shoved the truth about FCBBHO onto the airways and into print ads, more would’ve either voted for him instead of FCBBHO or, voted for McCain instead of sitting it out.

34 Athens Runaway  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:27:08pm

re: #22 FurryOldGuyJeans

I saw that essential political characteristic back in 2000 during the primaries.

Related question: has that talking point that the Bush 2000 campaign was scare-tacticking people with “McCain has a black baby” ever been confirmed, or is it just one of those “just-so stories”?

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:27:54pm

re: #28 voirdire

What do you mean, “backfired?” Where’s McCain now?

That is why the strategy backfired, unless you want to subscribe to the idea McCain WANTED to lose.

/.. there are times I do think he did, but just as a quiet thought.

36 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:28:15pm

hmmm, I think Palin served a purpose (and hopefully will continue to serve that purpose). She stated the obvious, something most politicans won’t do.

37 opnion  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:28:34pm

re: #34 Athens Runaway

Related question: has that talking point that the Bush 2000 campaign was scare-tacticking people with “McCain has a black baby” ever been confirmed, or is it just one of those “just-so stories”?


Hey, Obama has two!

38 Athens Runaway  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:28:37pm

re: #27 Lincolntf

Which is funny because he DID get painted as an arch-conservative. How they managed to hold two contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time is amazing to me.

39 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:28:43pm

re: #34 Athens Runaway

Related question: has that talking point that the Bush 2000 campaign was scare-tacticking people with “McCain has a black baby” ever been confirmed, or is it just one of those “just-so stories”?

Whose talking point is that? I have never heard that absurdity.

40 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:28:54pm

Nicole Wallace, Rick Davis and/or Steve Schmidt ever get a paying political campaign gig again? Candidate loses, imho.

41 Athens Runaway  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:29:35pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

Whose talking point is that? I have never heard that absurdity.

Here’s a good starting point.

42 Lincolntf  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:29:58pm

re: #38 Athens Runaway

True, they tried, but they weren’t really into it. In fact, the Libs/MSM let Kos/HuffPo be their “Palin” while they pretended to play the middle.

43 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:31:45pm

re: #40 Taqyia2Me

Nicole Wallace, Rick Davis and/or Steve Schmidt ever get a paying political campaign gig again? Candidate loses, imho.

Terry McAuliffe

44 opnion  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:31:48pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

Whose talking point is that? I have never heard that absurdity.

It is bercause of his adopted daughter Bridget. Cindi McCain brought her home from Bengladesh, I believe. The little girl needed serious medical attention & the McCains took her in. She happens to be dark complected.

45 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:32:17pm

re: #41 Athens Runaway

Here’s a good starting point.

I don’t do google, for religious reasons.

46 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:33:20pm

re: #44 opnion

It is bercause of his adopted daughter Bridget. Cindi McCain brought her home from Bengladesh, I believe. The little girl needed serious medical attention & the McCains took her in. She happens to be dark complected.

What you stated is a far reach from a political talking point of having a “black baby”. What you said I already knew about.

47 Athens Runaway  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:34:15pm

re: #45 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don’t do google, for religious reasons.

If you would look at the link in question, you would see what I am talking about.

48 Lincolntf  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:35:01pm

re: #44 opnion

How many poor and afflicted children have the Obama’s adopted? They certainly have the cash, but last I heard some of B.O.’s own family are still living in squalor.
Hope and change indeed.

49 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:35:39pm

I don’t like Palin, but I have said from the beginning that the McCain campaign grabbed her, threw her in, and used her, and had no intention of using her wisely or well or of thinking beyond what she could do for the dying McCain campaign

Palin has formidable talents and the GOP as a whole simply didn’t give a shit about her. She was a sacrifice on the altar of old man McCain’s last wheezing lunge for the Presidency. Had they held onto her and nurtured her, she would have excelled.

It’s no surprise to me that they fed her this line and simultaneously planned to pillory her for taking it. Who is surprised by this? McCain’s entire strategy for her—insofar as he had one— was to use her to make the attacks he didn’t want to voice himself, and maintain plausible deniability for himself at the same time.

I’m genuinely curious to know who this shocks, because frankly on the lefty/prog politically active side, we all knew this was the case.

50 poteen  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:39:35pm

And you expect what from politicians? Left or right.
re: #49 iceweasel

51 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:39:46pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

Whose talking point is that? I have never heard that absurdity.

FoGJ—

in the SC primary runup in 2000, ‘someone’ (working for the Bush campaign) did a push-poll in SC, insinuating that McCain had an illegitimate black daughter.
he and his wife have an adopted daughter from Bangladesh.

This is why Bush got the repub nom in 2000— SC was the turning point and this push-poll is widely acknowledged as the reason why.

52 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:41:03pm

Palin wasn’t Peggy Noonan’s kind of people, either:

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Gee, I wonder what she *really* thinks?

53 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:41:48pm

You’ve been McCained.
What a shot in the McRibs.

I think I’ll drink now.

54 Pianobuff  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:42:27pm

This only confirms what I’d always suspected. Not surprised in the least.

55 Athens Runaway  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:43:53pm

re: #49 iceweasel

I don’t like Palin, but I have said from the beginning that the McCain campaign grabbed her, threw her in, and used her, and had no intention of using her wisely or well or of thinking beyond what she could do for the dying McCain campaign


Considering that all the talk about her at the outset was “can Palin get the Hillary voters?” and “isn’t this historic?”, yes.

Palin has formidable talents and the GOP as a whole simply didn’t give a shit about her. She was a sacrifice on the altar of old man McCain’s last wheezing lunge for the Presidency. Had they held onto her and nurtured her, she would have excelled.


The GOP leaders didn’t give a shit about her. The rank and file obviously loves her.

It’s no surprise to me that they fed her this line and simultaneously planned to pillory her for taking it. Who is surprised by this? McCain’s entire strategy for her—insofar as he had one— was to use her to make the attacks he didn’t want to voice himself, and maintain plausible deniability for himself at the same time.


Exactly.

56 Athens Runaway  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:47:09pm

re: #51 iceweasel

Has this been proven that it occurred, beyond the McCain campaign claiming that it happened? You’d think that if the push-polls were so widespread in SC, someone less biased than the campaign that lost SC would have noted it. As far as I can tell, the McCain campaign was the one that started the rumor, and the media just repeated the claims without question, until it got accepted as fact.

57 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:47:45pm

re: #55 Athens Runaway

The GOP leaders never cared about her and they still loathe her.

The base adores her, but you can’t win an election with a base that small, no matter how motivated, and not when your icon alienates two or more moderates/centrists/independents for every member of the base she ‘grabs’.

58 jvic  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:47:51pm

re: #49 iceweasel

I don’t like Palin, but I have said from the beginning that the McCain campaign grabbed her, threw her in, and used her, and had no intention of using her wisely or well or of thinking beyond what she could do for the dying McCain campaign

Palin has formidable talents and the GOP as a whole simply didn’t give a shit about her. She was a sacrifice on the altar of old man McCain’s last wheezing lunge for the Presidency. Had they held onto her and nurtured her, she would have excelled.

…The noble Brutus McCain
Hath told you Caesar Palin was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault;
And grievously hath Caesar Palin answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Brutus McCain and the rest, —
For Brutus McCain is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men[1], —
Come I to speak in Caesar’s Palin’s funeral.
**************
[1] Honourable aging white men, I can’t help noticing—and I despise identity politics.

59 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:48:30pm

re: #56 Athens Runaway

Has this been proven that it occurred, beyond the McCain campaign claiming that it happened? You’d think that if the push-polls were so widespread in SC, someone less biased than the campaign that lost SC would have noted it. As far as I can tell, the McCain campaign was the one that started the rumor, and the media just repeated the claims without question, until it got accepted as fact.

No, it is fact. If you hang on I can dig up links and references.

It did happen.

60 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:50:03pm

re: #58 jvic

…The noble Brutus McCain
Hath told you Caesar Palin was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault;
And grievously hath Caesar Palin answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Brutus McCain and the rest, —
For Brutus McCain is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men[1], —
Come I to speak in Caesar’s Palin’s funeral.
**************
[1] Honourable aging white men, I can’t help noticing—and I despise identity politics.

Oh hush…I kinda already have a little love for you. :)

61 swamprat  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:55:57pm

They didn’t have the guts to follow through on this aspect of the campaign and they thought they were going to leave Palin twisting in the wind, while they tiptoed away. They forgot that they were engaged in a team effort. They managed to turn an exceptional asset into a liability. Next time get people who know how to play poker and chess. Xbox doesn’t cut it.

62 JarHeadLifer  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:57:39pm

re: #40 Taqyia2Me

Nicole Wallace, Rick Davis and/or Steve Schmidt ever get a paying political campaign gig again? Candidate loses, imho.

I assume you mean paying Republican gig? Because I think there’s a damn good chance they’ll get a few Democrat clients. After all, they’ve done what Bob Schrum has failed to do at least three time - get a Democrat elected President.

63 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:57:49pm

re: #56 Athens Runaway

Has this been proven that it occurred, beyond the McCain campaign claiming that it happened? You’d think that if the push-polls were so widespread in SC, someone less biased than the campaign that lost SC would have noted it. As far as I can tell, the McCain campaign was the one that started the rumor, and the media just repeated the claims without question, until it got accepted as fact.

it’s everywhere. Look at wikipedia for the definition of a pushpoll. this is one infamous example (with references)

Perhaps the most famous use of push polls is in the 2000 United States Republican Party primaries, when it was alleged that George W. Bush’s campaign used push polling to torpedo the campaign of Senator John McCain. Voters in South Carolina reportedly were asked “Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?” The poll’s allegation had no substance, but was heard by thousands of primary voters.[4] McCain and his wife had in fact adopted a Bangladeshi girl.

the anatomy of a smear campaign %P% boston globe, march 2004

Dirty Tricks, SC, and John McCain %P% Jan 2008

64 Flyers1974  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 1:58:18pm

re: #57 iceweasel

The GOP leaders never cared about her and they still loathe her.
The base adores her, but you can’t win an election with a base that small, no matter how motivated, and not when your icon alienates two or more moderates/centrists/independents for every member of the base she ‘grabs’.

Does anyone care about anyone in the realm of politics? Isn’t it mostly about calculations - to paraphrase The Godfather, its business not personal.

65 jvic  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:00:08pm

re: #60 iceweasel

Oh hush…I kinda already have a little love for you. :)

Oh blush…

66 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:01:56pm

re: #56 Athens Runaway

Has this been proven that it occurred, beyond the McCain campaign claiming that it happened? You’d think that if the push-polls were so widespread in SC, someone less biased than the campaign that lost SC would have noted it. As far as I can tell, the McCain campaign was the one that started the rumor, and the media just repeated the claims without question, until it got accepted as fact.

I’m with you. I don’t know if I would just take anyone’s word for it that Bush was behind it, especially given what we’ve seen from McCain’s crew this past year.

67 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:02:57pm

re: #64 Flyers1974

Does anyone care about anyone in the realm of politics? Isn’t it mostly about calculations - to paraphrase The Godfather, its business not personal.

Obviously I don’t mean ‘as a person’, but as a political asset.

Once upon a time the GOP message machine was always thinking ahead. It seems so clear that Palin would have been a major contender in 2012, had they groomed her.

i expect them to care nothing at all for the people involved, but I’m shocked that they were so casual with someone who in the long run, with just a little pampering and fostering from them, could have gone so far.

It’s odd. They used to be the party that was always thinking ahead. No more.

68 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:05:30pm

re: #52 austin_blue

Palin wasn’t Peggy Noonan’s kind of people, either:

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Gee, I wonder what she *really* thinks?

Peggy Noonan revealed what she thinks when she thought a camera wasn’t rolling during the campaign. I don’t recall that it at all matched what she said on the air.

She’s a two-faced, saccharine, Beltway elitist jerk.

69 Flyers1974  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:05:37pm

re: #8 dmandman

I don’t think she was a dupe…
You either (in a campaign) do two things with your VP candidate. Hide the person in as dark a place as possible and use only as a figurehead (think Truman) or in as bright a light as possible to use a lightning rod with attack rhetoric to see how the general public reacts to a particular idea or political ploy. If it works put the main player in front, if it fails the use plausible deniability to get yourself out the jam. She new this coming in and ran with it. And what is wrong with stating the truth….it sometimes works better than a lie.

Couldn’t agree more. I think it was Bob Dole who was first called a “hatchet man?” A more recent term would be “attack dog.” Cheney took that role during the 2000 election. I think Biden was picked to be an attack dog and also to add “experience.”

70 jvic  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:08:20pm

re: #64 Flyers1974

Does anyone care about anyone in the realm of politics? Isn’t it mostly about calculations - to paraphrase The Godfather, its business not personal.

True. Mostly about calculations, but there should be some principles underlying the tactical maneuvering.

Politicians rise in my estimation if, with their eyes open, they have accepted a serious setback as the price for sticking to their core principles.

71 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:08:36pm

re: #69 Flyers1974

Couldn’t agree more. I think it was Bob Dole who was first called a “hatchet man?” A more recent term would be “attack dog.” Cheney took that role during the 2000 election. I think Biden was picked to be an attack dog and also to add “experience.”

Absolutely. In Obama’s case it was more essential than ever, because a large part of Obama’s schtick is the idea that he’s unflappable, above all that, etc.

72 JohnH  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:18:11pm

The Big 0 not only pals around with them, he bloody supports them

Obama Frees Iranian Terror Masters:
[Link: article.nationalreview.com…]

As Andrew McCarthy notes: “Finally, when it comes to Iran, it has become increasingly apparent that President Obama wants the mullahs to win. What you need to know is that Barack Obama is a wolf in “pragmatist” clothing: Beneath the easy smile and above-it-all manner — the “neutral” doing his best to weigh competing claims — is a radical leftist wedded to a Manichean vision that depicts American imperialism as the primary evil in the world.”

Amen to that.

73 iLikeCandy  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:26:43pm

re: #9 Lincolntf

“This is not a man who sees America as you see America and as I see America.”

Whoever wrote this line certainly hit the nail on the head.

I can even go along with the “pal around with terrorists” description. Bill Ayers never recanted, never reconsidered. He changed his MO.

74 TheMatrix31  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:27:49pm

So basically, we find out that Palin wasnt acting like Palin because John McCain and his people held her back.

I thought that was fairly well obvious already.

75 Flyers1974  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #67 iceweasel

Obviously I don’t mean ‘as a person’, but as a political asset.
Once upon a time the GOP message machine was always thinking ahead. It seems so clear that Palin would have been a major contender in 2012, had they groomed her.

i expect them to care nothing at all for the people involved, but I’m shocked that they were so casual with someone who in the long run, with just a little pampering and fostering from them, could have gone so far.

It’s odd. They used to be the party that was always thinking ahead. No more.

My bad, I thouught you were talking literally.

76 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:30:16pm

re: #62 JarHeadLifer

I assume you mean paying Republican gig? Because I think there’s a damn good chance they’ll get a few Democrat clients. After all, they’ve done what Bob Schrum has failed to do at least three time - get a Democrat elected President.

I would state they failed to get the democrat elected, but succeeded in getting the statist redistributionist elected.

77 wiffersnapper  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:36:55pm

Remind me again why we picked McCain? Ugh.

78 jorline  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:43:04pm

By the time Palin landed under McCain’s the bus Obama was working on bus number four.

McCain was fighting a losing battle.

79 Alan Furman  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:46:50pm

Our president has a final solution to this problem.

“People’s beliefs are a product of social networks working as echo chambers in which false rumors spread like wildfire….We hardly need to imagine a world, however, in which people and institutions are being harmed by the rapid spread of damaging falsehoods via the Internet. We live in that world. What might be done to reduce the harm?”

These words could have been written by one of the Iranian tyrant-priests upset over criticism and dissent following the presidential election. But they were actually written by Cass Sunstein, the Obama administration’s Niceness Czar.

80 Grand Poobah  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:50:28pm

re: #1 Pickles

I’d say she only had four months as Alaskan government. Obviously she had some idea what she was getting into, but I believe in communitarian places people are more legitimate than in more urbanized states like New Yaaawk.

She also overestimated McCain’s drive to serve the U.S. versus himself.

81 rightymouse  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 2:53:32pm

re: #68 capitalist piglet

Peggy Noonan revealed what she thinks when she thought a camera wasn’t rolling during the campaign. I don’t recall that it at all matched what she said on the air.

She’s a two-faced, saccharine, Beltway elitist jerk.

Peggy Noonan serves Peggy Noonan these days, just like every other political Beltway hack who is trying to stay relevant.

82 Pickles  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:01:09pm

re: #80 Grand Poobah

I’d say she only had four months as Alaskan government. Obviously she had some idea what she was getting into, but I believe in communitarian places people are more legitimate than in more urbanized states like New Yaaawk.

She also overestimated McCain’s drive to serve the U.S. versus himself.

I do agree that she overestimated McCain and his selfishness. In that regard She also clearly was a neophyte when it came to national (vs regional) politics. In that respect to me she was indeed a dupe: being new to the national political game and instead of being more shrewd about how she would be perceived and treated instead relied on the McCain campaign. She was not prepared and McCain used her (as politicians will do).

83 jvic  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:02:02pm

re: #13 FurryOldGuyJeans

Palin might also not be a much a Far Right Winger as so many people have tried to smear her as:

EXCLUSIVE: Palin to stump for conservative Democrats
By Ralph Z. Hallow (Contact) %P% Sunday, July 12, 2009

Iceweasel and I have wondered if we’d see Palin in a third party.

84 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:05:16pm

re: #10 opnion

This is really interesting if true. It would mean that McCain used Plain to do the negative campaigning that he wouldn’t do.
He defended Obama & let Palin twist on her own. Bad form


This derails the idea of the McCain “straight talk express”. Obama on the other hand never claimed he was speaking in truth and honesty.

85 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:12:41pm

re: #16 Lincolntf

Sadly, it seems that McCain spent all of his considerable courage while in Vietnam.
It’s too bad, he could’ve been a real leader.

Your words evoke Marlin Brando’s great line.

86 tedzilla99  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:13:21pm

As much as I despise and distrust PBO - I feel basically the same about McCain. I don’t think McCain would be as big a disaster as PBO is, and that clown is just getting started, but the way he flat lied about Romney in FL and his sucking up to dems and doing his best to derail W just left me disgusted. My vote for him was 1000000% a vote for Sarah Palin.

87 tedzilla99  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:16:40pm

re: #76 Taqyia2Me

I would state they failed to get the democrat elected, but succeeded in getting the statist redistributionist elected.

I couldn’t agree any more with that statement! McCain Palin was definitely a 2 party ticket.

88 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:18:54pm

re: #25 Shug

When you pal around with RINOS, sometimes you get gored

True, one can get Al Gored, but doesn’t depend upon with whom one is Palin?

89 Tully  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:31:06pm
So McCain set Palin up as the attack dog, then let her take the fall when the attack backfired.

That’s the VP candidate’s job, making the attacks that the candidate shouldn’t.

90 pingjockey  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:34:57pm

Since the end of the election, more and more shit has come to light about the total lack of class of McCains campaign staffers. Assholes.

91 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:36:42pm
“Our opponent … is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country. This is not a man who sees America as you see America and as I see America.”

I wish McCain had just said it himself, because it’s true.

92 jvic  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:48:11pm

re: #79 Alan Furman

Our president has a final solution to this problem.

“People’s beliefs are a product of social networks working as echo chambers in which false rumors spread like wildfire….We hardly need to imagine a world, however, in which people and institutions are being harmed by the rapid spread of damaging falsehoods via the Internet. We live in that world. What might be done to reduce the harm?”

These words could have been written by one of the Iranian tyrant-priests upset over criticism and dissent following the presidential election. But they were actually written by Cass Sunstein, the Obama administration’s Niceness Czar.

The word needs to be spread. This should be alarming no matter what one’s politics is. (Btw, babes mentioned it in the overnight thread.)

I hope hope hope the enlightened Left understands that the implied “solutions” would be used against them when the Right regains power. (And the pendulum will swing sooner or later, notwithstanding each party’s dreams of a permanent majority.)

93 pbird  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:54:54pm

re: #68 capitalist piglet

Peggy Noonan revealed what she thinks when she thought a camera wasn’t rolling during the campaign. I don’t recall that it at all matched what she said on the air.

She’s a two-faced, saccharine, Beltway elitist jerk.

Absolutely. I suspect Bush didn’t pay enough attention to her in some way.

94 drogheda  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 3:56:07pm

re: #8 dmandman

I don’t think she was a dupe…
You either (in a campaign) do two things with your VP candidate. Hide the person in as dark a place as possible and use only as a figurehead (think Truman) or in as bright a light as possible to use a lightning rod with attack rhetoric to see how the general public reacts to a particular idea or political ploy. If it works put the main player in front, if it fails the use plausible deniability to get yourself out the jam. …

I heard pretty much the same thing about a week with regard to Joe Biden. The administration can use Biden to put stuff out there to see what sort of reaction it gets. If it gets a good reaction then Obama can start saying pretty much the same thing. If it gets a bad reaction then the administration can say “Joe’s shooting his mouth off again.”

95 donna quixote  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 4:08:36pm

This doesn’t surprise me at all. McCain likes to be known as the bon vivant who can get along with everyone. It must have really bothered his ego when Sarah Palin was such a hit. I thought he was civil….not friendly… during the campaign and dropped her like a rock immediately after it was over. His staff didn’t like Sarah either.

96 Challenger  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 4:14:12pm

That attack hit the nail on the head for me. I don’t see how it failed except in the light of the media that was and still is totally absolutely in the tank for 0bama.

97 Teh Flowah  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 4:14:39pm

re: #1 Pickles

I never liked McCain and have always felt he was two faced. Palin did step right into it though so she may not be a rogue but she is a dupe.

What? All politicians are “two faced” You can not be totally honest with the people you represent.

This is why it is stupid to say that one party has a moral high ground. You will always be made a fool when scandals and reveals like this come out. Oh, I guess you cheat on your wife, oh I guess a bunch of you cheated on your wives, oh I guess you cheated on your wife with another guy, oh I guess you try to pick up guys to cheat on your wife with in a bathroom, oh I guess we throw people under the bus just as easily as Obama.

Not that I mind putting Palin there. You make her the new face of the Republican party. You’ll see yourselves pushed out of national significance.

98 Van Helsing  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 4:19:34pm

Even for a politician John McCain sucks.

Please oh please give us someone else to vote for when his term is up.

99 Pickles  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 4:36:24pm

re: #97 Teh Flowah

What? All politicians are “two faced” You can not be totally honest with the people you represent.

This is why it is stupid to say that one party has a moral high ground. You will always be made a fool when scandals and reveals like this come out. Oh, I guess you cheat on your wife, oh I guess a bunch of you cheated on your wives, oh I guess you cheated on your wife with another guy, oh I guess you try to pick up guys to cheat on your wife with in a bathroom, oh I guess we throw people under the bus just as easily as Obama.

Not that I mind putting Palin there. You make her the new face of the Republican party. You’ll see yourselves pushed out of national significance.

I don’t disagree at all.

100 JPL17  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 4:53:33pm

re: #33 MandyManners

By that, I mean that if he had shoved the truth about FCBBHO onto the airways and into print ads, more would’ve either voted for him instead of FCBBHO or, voted for McCain instead of sitting it out.

I hate to display my ignorance, but what does “FCBBHO” stand for? Obviously “BHO” refers to Dear Leader, but what about “FCB”?

101 Lee Coller  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 5:08:30pm

re: #100 JPL17

I hate to display my ignorance, but what does “FCBBHO” stand for? Obviously “BHO” refers to Dear Leader, but what about “FCB”?

“CB” stands for “Commie Bastard.” I’ll let you guess what the “F” stands for.

102 Lee Coller  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 5:10:17pm

By the way, I don’t think I agree that the attacks “backfired.” Then again, maybe I don’t pay enough attention to the MSM to know that they backfired. I think a more accurate assessment is that they weren’t effective because the McCain campaign failed to follow through on them.

103 JPL17  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 5:16:18pm

re: #101 Lee Coller

“CB” stands for “Commie Bastard.” I’ll let you guess what the “F” stands for.

Somehow I doubt it stands for “Favorite.”

104 bobbuck  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 5:19:56pm

[blank stare] Raymond Shaw John McCain is the kindest, warmest, bravest, most wonderful, human being I have ever known in my life.

105 Karridine  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 5:21:13pm

I note that the email was sent “…October 4rd…”

You know … oneth, tooth, thirst, ford…

God is in the details” Flaubert

106 RalphShort  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 5:34:21pm

What is really pathetic is the ad attack failed to wake up Americans. It is irrelevant who set who up, the fact is a majority of Americans apparently don’t care whether the guy running for Prez routinely associates with terrorists. Actually, if we think about it, his whole upbringing is just a series of collectivists including the guy who greased the skids for him to go to Harvard.

107 Oldbluesboy  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 7:06:59pm

This is just one BIG part of the Clowerd-Piven plan, coupled with the Alinsky method, being used by the administration to bring our nation to a point of implosion. The plan is to overload the system with governmental dependency by taxing the middle and upper class and distributing money and services to the lower class. This continual media barrage is how Obama and his thugs “target and freeze” the enemy. It also serves the purpose of distraction. These people and events are ALL considered useful “crises”. Emanuel is an orchestrator of unequal talent. He knows how much support Palin has, and that makes her a media target and a distraction. Much ado about nothing.
Keep your eye on the steamroller coming our way. The stimulus, cap and trade, climate change legislation, etc., are all part of the grand mechanism, a means to our end. Do research on the above mentioned names and put the pieces together. The answer to stopping this monster is “just say no” to every initiative by this progressive government.

108 kynna  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 7:22:29pm

re: #56 Athens Runaway

Has this been proven that it occurred, beyond the McCain campaign claiming that it happened? You’d think that if the push-polls were so widespread in SC, someone less biased than the campaign that lost SC would have noted it. As far as I can tell, the McCain campaign was the one that started the rumor, and the media just repeated the claims without question, until it got accepted as fact.

The McCain campaign manager also admitted — four years after this rumor — that they never found a single thing to connect the Bush campaign to it. And yet it still remains an anti-Bush talking point. Disgusting. McCain sat on that defense until the Kerry campaign started using the lie for their own purposes, then he finally told the truth.

There are many and varied reasons for people to dislike McCain.

109 Adrenalyn  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 8:00:44pm

face it, democrats are pack animals
they gang up on the weak or unsuspecting
Sarah Palin was unsuspecting

oh, and John McCain really is a democrat
so why are we surprised by his underhanded tactics ?

110 jvic  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 8:40:37pm

re: #67 iceweasel

They used to be the party that was always thinking ahead. No more.

And they used to be the party of ideas.

re: #49 iceweasel

I don’t like Palin…

I am very disappointed in Palin.

A small distinction, but worth making IMHO.
*****************************************
I’m not sure if anyone has linked to Victor Davis Hanson’s On Sarah Palin and Her Critics. He’s a bit more lenient on her than I am, but I wouldn’t disagree with him.

111 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 9:02:50pm

re: #6 kilroy

Palin was really the only decent candidate if you ask me & the nation is hurting right now that she is not at the helm.

112 Wendya  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 9:52:53pm

re: #15 MandyManners

Yes but, the candidate’s people shouldn’t then stab her in the back. From the article: while folks close to McCain have accused Palin of going “rogue” and pointed to the “pals around” attack as an example of how Palin simply could not be controlled.

She trusted McCain. Unfortunately, she wasn’t the only one who made that mistake.

113 Wendya  Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:30:35pm

re: #49 iceweasel


I’m genuinely curious to know who this shocks, because frankly on the lefty/prog politically active side, we all knew this was the case.

I’m sure it didn’t surprise the leftist-progressives because it’s straight from their playbook.

I guess some of us held out hope that McCain would show just an ounce of integrity. That the left doesn’t expect or demand this doesn’t surprise most of us.

Perhaps you can explain to us why the left is still obsessing over Palin? They behaved during the campaign as if she were at the top of the ticket. The sheer, unadulterated, pathological hatred towards her from the left, particularly “progressive” women is disturbing to many of us. Why was she such a threat to you?

114 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:53:48am

re: #113 Wendya

The Reclusive Leftist ponders the continued hatred here:
Feminists and the Mystery of Sarah Palin

One quote, but the entire post is worth reading:

The fact is, Obama is an intellectually mediocre narcissist with a thin resume who’s lost without a teleprompter and whose entire campaign had all the substance and gravity of a Pepsi commercial. Yet people say Sarah Palin is a fluffy bunny diva.

So: are we back to Obama after all? Is this a transference thing? Are people subconsciously frustrated by the fact that Obama is an empty suit, and are they transferring that rage to Palin?

115 docremulac  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:36:58am

The main thing liberal’s hate about Sarah is she’s beautiful and strong. Liberals are weak and mostly ugly, inside and out. That’s why they became liberals.

Ugly lib women are jealous of her and ugly, wimpy liberal men know they could never get a woman like her. THAT’S the real motivation behind the hate.

That being said I can’t support her until she learns that the media is her enemy and learns how to go toe to toe with them and win. Maybe without the McCain camp morons telling her what to do she’ll do better. I’m willing to give her a second chance.

116 anchors_aweigh  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:04:42am
Nice. So McCain set Palin up as the attack dog, then let her take the fall when the attack backfired. Ain’t politics grand?

I thought that was what VP, and VP candidates were for?

117 twh  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:31:14am

Sarah says,

I will go around the country on behalf of candidates who believe in the right things, regardless of their party label or affiliation,


jvic says, in a link.

EXCLUSIVE: Palin To stump for conservative democrats


Bit of a disconnect there isn’t there?

118 obscured by clouds  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:03:46am

Honorable American though he may be, McCain is an asshole.

119 horse  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 10:21:07am

This crystallizes what was McCain’s biggest weakness, he could not take the fight to his opponents, even with a proxy. He could not state the simple truths of their nature, even as they hammered him.

Regardless of those events, Palin certainly made at least one huge mistake, she naively trusted McCain and company, and it hurt their overall team as a result. I don’t know what she will try to do in the future, but you can be sure she will not trust other politicians and their organizations blindly again.


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