Video: Graham Grills Sotomayor
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Here’s MSNBC’s video of Lindsey Graham grilling Sonia Sotomayor over her “wise Latina” comment in a speech to Duke University students.
803 comments
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:31:21pm |
It’s over. Put in your order now for Justice Sotomayer tee shirts now before their all sold out.
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sneezey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:33:26pm |
Good for Senator Graham. The remark is inexcusable.
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livefreeor die Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:35:29pm |
I’m surprised I still have a working TV set after watching Feinstein ask her if she thought it was consitutional for a president (i.e., Bush) to sign legislation but say he wouldn’t be held to specific parts of it. (I know there’s a term for it but I can’t recall it right now.)
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JarHeadLifer Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:37:27pm |
re: #3 livefreeor die
I’m surprised I still have a working TV set after watching Feinstein ask her if she thought it was consitutional for a president (i.e., Bush) to sign legislation but say he wouldn’t be held to specific parts of it. (I know there’s a term for it but I can’t recall it right now.)
Signing statements. A tradition that goes back literally hundreds of years. But, in fairness, Bush used them as liberally as anyone else, FWIW.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:40:02pm |
I’m sorry, but this has to be one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever heard:
Graham: What’s the best way for society to change?
The proper response to something like this is: “Wha?!”
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:40:33pm |
re: #4 Iron Fist
It was always over. The Republicans should have told them to shove their dog and pony show, and confirm her, but with no Republican votes. Grow some balls and be a real opposition. They have been anemic (at best) so far.
That may have been the best way after all. The grilling isn’t hurting Sotomayor, but the heat of the BBQ is turning the Republicans’ faces red.
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Lincolntf Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:41:35pm |
When I grill sotomayor, I like to wrap it in foil and let the juices help cook it.
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IslandLibertarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:42:29pm |
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:43:25pm |
Graham comes from the “McCain” wing of the Republican Party. Nuff said
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:43:26pm |
re: #7 Charles
I’m sorry, but this has to be one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever heard:
The proper response to something like this is: “Wha?!”
I was scratching my head on that one. I had no idea what he was fishing for. Maybe that the courts forced change by allowing abortion, and banning school prayer ? Had he have gone there, she could have mentioned school integration.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:43:51pm |
re: #7 Charles
I’m sorry, but this has to be one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever heard:
The proper response to something like this is: “Wha?!”
I’m currently listening to him ask her if she thinks she has a temperament problem. That is just useless. Does he expect to get an answer in the affirmative? He’s sounding like an elementary school principal.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:44:42pm |
The GOP senators came off terribly today, in my honest if not terribly humble opinion. None of this is going to help, and Graham’s recital of standard GOP hot buttons was incredibly unconvincing. And I wasn’t impressed when he interrupted her while she was 10 seconds into answering his first long-winded question.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:45:14pm |
Does the GOP think they are going to dine on Latina buttocks?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:45:47pm |
I ignored all the hearing news today. He gets her to admit the word “abortion” is not in the Constitution. Wow. Airplanes, robots and electronic surveillance aren’t mentioned either. Big deal. They did this all day?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:45:55pm |
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:46:02pm |
Her speeches don’t match the way we she deals with the law?
That doesn’t use labels.
Aww, WTF. she’ll weasel and lie and be confirmed and we’ll get to worry about the next one.
Weasel and lies… with Romanian thighs…
I miss Frank.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:46:46pm |
re: #14 Charles
The GOP senators came off terribly today, in my honest if not terribly humble opinion. None of this is going to help, and Graham’s recital of standard GOP hot buttons was incredibly unconvincing. And I wasn’t impressed when he interrupted her while she was 10 seconds into answering his first long-winded question.
The more I see of what the GOP has to offer, at the moment, the more I feel very lost.
Do they have any feet and toes left to shoot off.
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:47:15pm |
re: #14 Charles
The GOP senators came off terribly today, in my honest if not terribly humble opinion. None of this is going to help, and Graham’s recital of standard GOP hot buttons was incredibly unconvincing. And I wasn’t impressed when he interrupted her while she was 10 seconds into answering his first long-winded question.
He may vote for her in the end, and may want to appear tough. 2-3 GOP senators may vote for her on the committee as it stands.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:47:34pm |
Sotomayor’s foreign ideas
Supreme Court nominee backs transnationalism
To the extent that we have freedom of ideas, international law and foreign law will be very important in the discussion of how to think about the unsettled issues in our legal system,” she said in April. This is a consistent theme of hers. In a 2007 forward to a book called “The International Judge,” Judge Sotomayor wrote that judges should “all attempt to cobble together a culture of justice-seeking in a changed world.”
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The Shadow Do Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:47:43pm |
re: #7 Charles
I’m sorry, but this has to be one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever heard:
The proper response to something like this is: “Wha?!”
If that was meant to be a trap, he should have baited it first.
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Lincolntf Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:49:45pm |
re: #21 avanti
They might as well. She’s going to be confirmed no matter what they do. Few days of pro-forma sessions and it’s done. Get it over with.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:51:04pm |
Graham: “I hope you’ll appreciate the world in which we live in.”
Live and let die.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:51:24pm |
WASHINGTON — Raising expectations for scaling back military operations in Afghanistan, President Barack Obama said Tuesday he hopes U.S. involvement can “transition to a different phase” after Afghan elections in August.
The president said he is looking for an exit strategy where the Afghan security forces, courts and government take more responsibility for the country’s security. That would enable U.S. and other international military forces to play a smaller role.
[Link: www.navytimes.com…]
Is he fuckin kidding. 2 Months ago we were on the verge of losing this war and now by August we are almost ready to win and leave? Can you say cut and run? Can you say surrender?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:51:38pm |
Speaking of grilling: Killgore’s blowtorch tuna
Tuna Steaks (1 inch thick)
Marinade: (Ginger, Soy Sauce, lemon juice, rice wine, sesame seed oil)
Marinade steaks for 1-2 hours.
Place on grill, Blaze with a hand held propane torch. (30 seconds on each side for medium rare).
Let tuna rest for a few minutes before carving into thin slices.
Serve with rice and stir fried veg.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:51:50pm |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
I ignored all the hearing news today. He gets her to admit the word “abortion” is not in the Constitution. Wow. Airplanes, robots and electronic surveillance aren’t mentioned either. Big deal. They did this all day?
and more…it’s theater…the worst the feds dish up, both sides
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:51:51pm |
re: #25 Charles
Graham: “I hope you’ll appreciate the world in which we live in.”
Live and let die.
Yep. That’s been playing in my head since he said that.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:52:47pm |
re: #29 Silvergirl
Yep. That’s been playing in my head since he said that.
That’s easy to cure. Do what I do, Don’t listen.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:52:59pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Sounds yummy.
Do you use regular propane or MAP gas?
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sneezey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:53:20pm |
Were his assessments about al qaeda’s treatment not strong?
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Jack Burton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:53:36pm |
re: #25 Charles
Graham: “I hope you’ll appreciate the world in which we live in.”
Live and let die.
I hope this does not mean that DiFi is Solitaire.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:54:31pm |
re: #26 Nevergiveup
WASHINGTON — Raising expectations for scaling back military operations in Afghanistan, President Barack Obama said Tuesday he hopes U.S. involvement can “transition to a different phase” after Afghan elections in August.
The president said he is looking for an exit strategy where the Afghan security forces, courts and government take more responsibility for the country’s security. That would enable U.S. and other international military forces to play a smaller role.
[Link: www.navytimes.com…]
Is he fuckin kidding. 2 Months ago we were on the verge of losing this war and now by August we are almost ready to win and leave? Can you say cut and run? Can you say surrender?
“and now for a commercial break”…the ShamWow president
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:54:40pm |
re: #30 Iron Fist
I expect her to be confirmed with 90+ votes. This may be as it should be, in one sense. It would be the way advise and consent should work, but that is the way it should work for Republicans as well as Democrats. So far, the Republicans haven’t convinced anyone to lie to congress to claim Sotomayor tourtured little kitties or said hurtful words within her hearing, so we aren’t yet doing unto the Democrats as they have (repeatedly) done unto us.
We probably never will. Republicans don’t have the balls to do it.
I’m guessing not nearly that high, maybe 70-75 ?
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:55:04pm |
re: #14 Charles
The GOP senators came off terribly today, in my honest if not terribly humble opinion. None of this is going to help, and Graham’s recital of standard GOP hot buttons was incredibly unconvincing. And I wasn’t impressed when he interrupted her while she was 10 seconds into answering his first long-winded question.
Not only that, but if you had put a paper Roberts mask on the front of her face, you wouldn’t have known the difference:
Proper decision on the 2nd amendment right for an individual right to bear arms? Check.
Individual right to privacy? Check.
Roe v. Wade established as case law? Check.
Boooring…
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:56:04pm |
“Are you familiar with military law?”
“Do you believe there are people out there right now plotting our destruction?”
Painful.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:56:07pm |
re: #37 avanti
I’m guessing not nearly that high, maybe 70-75 ?
Oh, come on Avanti. If the GOP is going to cave in and act like a bunch of whipped puppies, at least give us a little credit. 90 sounds like a nice uneven number.
/
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:56:41pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Did you check out the interior temperature, to make sure it was well cooked?
/ I think…
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Lincolntf Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:57:38pm |
re: #38 austin_blue
I think we’ll know better a year or two from now how binding those answers were. And which questions maybe should have been asked.
Until then, it’s just politicking (by both sides).
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:57:41pm |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
Oh, come on Avanti. If the GOP is going to cave in and act like a bunch of whipped puppies, at least give us a little credit. 90 sounds like a nice uneven number.
/
personally I don’t think anybody really cares, she is a slam dunk…her shortcomings are insignificant by todays standards
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Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:58:06pm |
What I find disturbing with the questions and statements concerning “change” in society is what Graham is saying. I don’t elect people in the hope they’ll “change society”. I elect people in the hopes they’ll set policy and change or make laws that allow society to function to the best of it’s abilities.
It is NOT government’s role to change us into the society they wish we were, but rather to keep it functioning. That is a fundamental flaw in Graham’s reasoning and exactly the sort of foundational problem I continue to mention in thread after thread. The right can’t even agree on the proper role of government. Some might say they do- but when they make comments like the ones Graham made today, you might want to think twice about trusting them.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:58:26pm |
In a sign that tensions between Iran and Egypt have begun to thaw, the foreign ministers of both nations have met three times in the past week, the two countries said on Tuesday
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
Now the USA is Egypt’s biggest and most important supporter so where in hell would they get the idea that it is OK to cozy up to Iran just now? Hum I wonder how they got that idea?
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:58:50pm |
re: #38 austin_blue
Proper decision on the 2nd amendment right for an individual right to bear arms? Check.
Not quite, she went against her own record in her testimony.
That the 2nd doesn’t apply to states?
Hardly, it’s in the Bill of Rights, a specific restriction, clearly not left to the states.
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HelloDare Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:59:05pm |
[ Linked at Hot Air ]
Lefty law prof faces harsh truth: Sotomayor’s a BS artist
At least one liberal law professor was “completely disgusted” by Judge Sotomayor’s testimony. In an online debate on the Federalist Society’s website, Georgetown law professor Mike Seidman writes:
I was completely disgusted by Judge Sotomayor’s testimony today. If she was not perjuring herself, she is intellectually unqualified to be on the Supreme Court. If she was perjuring herself, she is morally unqualified. How could someone who has been on the bench for seventeen years possibly believe that judging in hard cases involves no more than applying the law to the facts? …
Perhaps Justice Sotomayor should be excused because our official ideology about judging is so degraded that she would sacrifice a position on the Supreme Court if she told the truth. Legal academics who defend what she did today have no such excuse. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:59:24pm |
There is no stopping the nomination and that’s fine. This could have been a center stage teaching moment for the GOP however. Instead, they have again seized the opportunity to display the political stupid for which they have become so famous. It would be nice to see someone transcend the political pandering but I am not going to hold my breath.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:59:32pm |
re: #45 Sharmuta
What I find disturbing with the questions and statements concerning “change” in society is what Graham is saying. I don’t elect people in the hope they’ll “change society”. I elect people in the hopes they’ll set policy and change or make laws that allow society to function to the best of it’s abilities.
It is NOT government’s role to change us into the society they wish we were, but rather to keep it functioning. That is a fundamental flaw in Graham’s reasoning and exactly the sort of foundational problem I continue to mention in thread after thread. The right can’t even agree on the proper role of government. Some might say they do- but when they make comments like the ones Graham made today, you might want to think twice about trusting them.
well said and I agree…govt is consumed with itself
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~Fianna Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:00:05pm |
re: #3 livefreeor die
I’m surprised I still have a working TV set after watching Feinstein ask her if she thought it was consitutional for a president (i.e., Bush) to sign legislation but say he wouldn’t be held to specific parts of it. (I know there’s a term for it but I can’t recall it right now.)
Signing statements.
I hate them, and I’m really pissed that Obama’s continued the practice.
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~Fianna Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:00:52pm |
re: #7 Charles
I’m sorry, but this has to be one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever heard:
The proper response to something like this is: “Wha?!”
Charles, do you think that the courts have a role to play in advancing change at all?
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:01:03pm |
re: #42 Lincolntf
I think we’ll know better a year or two from now how binding those answers were. And which questions maybe should have been asked.
Until then, it’s just politicking (by both sides).
I agree, but my point is that at this time, after Bork and Thomas, it’s a friggin’ charade. The whole idea is to say *nothing* specific and stick to pablum generalities that mean nothing. If you can’t get real answers to real questions, where is advise and consent?
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:01:19pm |
re: #36 Iron Fist
Just add O2…
Hot time in the city.
re: #48 jcm
Not quite, she went against her own record in her testimony.
That the 2nd doesn’t apply to states?
Hardly, it’s in the Bill of Rights, a specific restriction, clearly not left to the states.
The feds step in where they don’t belong and abdicate responsibility that they are changed to take.
Re-thinking the the war of Northern Agression…
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:02:56pm |
re: #53 ~Fianna
Charles, do you think that the courts have a role to play in advancing change at all?
The point is that the question is so insanely broad that it’s meaningless. It was a “culture war” dog whistle for the religious right, and he proceeded to reel out every one of their talking points.
Ugh.
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~Fianna Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:03:07pm |
re: #22 jcm
Sotomayor’s foreign ideas
Supreme Court nominee backs transnationalism
With limits, I think it would make life easier.
I’m looking at starting an import business and dealing with international regulation is … uh… daunting, to say the least.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:04:18pm |
My humble, not to be taken advise for repub senators would be for each of them to recall the Miguel Estrada smear job, then follow their president’s senatorial lead and vote “present” in the confirmation vote.
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Dahveed Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:05:15pm |
She’s going to be confirmed. There is no doubt about it. But there is also no doubt that if McCain had won and nominated someone who was perhaps even more qualified, the Democrats would be putting up a no holds barred fight. Even if they were in the minority, they would be fighting. The Republican minority is not even resisting, even symbolically. The fight may be lost, but somebody in the Legislative Branch needs to begin acting like they are overseeing the Executive Branch. Maybe she is qualified for the job. But I think asking the tough questions about her decisions is not asking too much.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:05:22pm |
Additionally about societal change- it does happen obviously, but it’s usually a genuine grassroots effort. Women decided they wanted the vote. They organized and changed minds until support for an amendment was reached.
This isn’t to say lawmakers and judges don’t make decisions that effect society, but real societal change isn’t mandated, it naturally evolves.
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~Fianna Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:05:27pm |
re: #41 Floral Giraffe
Did you check out the interior temperature, to make sure it was well cooked?
/ I think…
Tuna should be crispy outside, cold inside… Actually, I suppose I could extend that to meat should be crispy outside, cold inside.
I’ll have to try the blowtorch method.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:06:26pm |
re: #32 Van Helsing
Sounds yummy.
Do you use regular propane or MAP gas?
I think the MAP would be too hot. I use regular propane. Very quick, easy and you don’t have to worry about it sticking to the grill. If you like it rare (I do) put in in the freezer for an hour after the marinade. Blaze with propane torch for about 45 seconds per side. Great texture on the outside and still rare on the inside. Yum!
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:06:33pm |
re: #62 Sharmuta
Additionally about societal change- it does happen obviously, but it’s usually a genuine grassroots effort. Women decided they wanted the vote. They organized and changed minds until support for an amendment was reached.
This isn’t to say lawmakers and judges don’t make decisions that effect society, but real societal change isn’t mandated, it naturally evolves.
And just look at how things have turned out…
/kidding, ducking runni - OW - ng.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:06:41pm |
re: #58 ~Fianna
With limits, I think it would make life easier.
I’m looking at starting an import business and dealing with international regulation is … uh… daunting, to say the least.
We have a social / civil contract with our government, there is only one touch stone for judging laws in our country, the Constitution.
International trade is a completely separate issue.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:07:03pm |
re: #48 jcm
Not quite, she went against her own record in her testimony.
That the 2nd doesn’t apply to states?
Hardly, it’s in the Bill of Rights, a specific restriction, clearly not left to the states.
I think (and I could be flat wrong) that the Supremes ruled that the right to bear is always there, but that States could put individual restrictions on the dollars and cents of that right. In other words, like driving or drinking, as opposed to voting or speech, each individual State can tailor a set of laws that meets it needs.
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David Simon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:07:16pm |
re: #3 livefreeor die
I’m surprised I still have a working TV set after watching Feinstein ask her if she thought it was consitutional for a president (i.e., Bush) to sign legislation but say he wouldn’t be held to specific parts of it.
And did Sotomayor ask her if she thought lawmakers should be able to write laws that are unconstitutional?
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:07:28pm |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
Sounds good. I think I’ll try that on some little pork loins I bought.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:08:04pm |
re: #41 Floral Giraffe
Did you check out the interior temperature, to make sure it was well cooked?
/ I think…
FDA iz fascism and their rules are oppressive. I also eat med rare pork all the time. Trichinosis is a New World Order myth!
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:08:46pm |
re: #71 Van Helsing
Sounds good. I think I’ll try that on some little pork loins I bought.
blow torch to cook meat?…good grief
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:09:16pm |
re: #48 jcm
Not quite, she went against her own record in her testimony.
That the 2nd doesn’t apply to states?
Hardly, it’s in the Bill of Rights, a specific restriction, clearly not left to the states.
Not according to the Supreme Court, they have yet to rule the second amendment applies to the states. Until the court rules otherwise, restrictions on guns by the states will have to be tested one by one.
The court has a chance to do it with this
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irongrampa Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:09:20pm |
re: #60 Iron Fist
My Second Amendment right was spelled out to me in the Constitution, and there’s no way I’ll ever allow that right to be abrogated.
It’ll be defended by whatever means proves necessary.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:09:32pm |
re: #73 albusteve
blow torch to cook meat?…good grief
Nawww, just to sear the outside. Give it a nice crisp skin.
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J.D. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:09:32pm |
*YAWN*
She’s in.
I hope the Republicans can assist in common sense prevailing on defeating O’s socialist “health care” plan, when he comes up with one… whatever it is…
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mph Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:09:47pm |
Regardless of her words today, she is clearly whitewashing her past.
Read John Hinderaker: Sotomayor’s Nose Grows Longer
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com…]
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Jimmah Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:10:34pm |
I think I have yet to hear this guy let her finish a sentence without jumping in with a further question. Especially when it’s clear she is coming to the end of a sentence - he jumps in just before she gets there, every single time. Of course all is fair in politics - sort of - but to me this just makes him look cheap.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:10:35pm |
re: #73 albusteve
blow torch to cook meat?…good grief
Why not? You’re still cooking with fire. Besides tuna is a finicky meat to prepare properly. Sounds like a wonderful solution.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:10:47pm |
re: #75 irongrampa
My Second Amendment right was spelled out to me in the Constitution, and there’s no way I’ll ever allow that right to be abrogated.
It’ll be defended by whatever means proves necessary.
Damn straight.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:10:55pm |
re: #76 Van Helsing
Nawww, just to sear the outside. Give it a nice crisp skin.
and use your toilet to wash up the dishes afterward…I get it…what a groovy lifestyle!
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~Fianna Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:10:59pm |
re: #57 Charles
The point is that the question is so insanely broad that it’s meaningless. It was a “culture war” dog whistle for the religious right, and he proceeded to reel out every one of their talking points.
Ugh.
*nod* I understand. This is an issue that I have some difficulty with myself, so I was curious about other opinions.
I can point to a number of good decisions that the S.Ct. has made that has “changed society” - like Brown, for example… but also several where they pushed society in a direction that’s bad - Korematsu or Dred Scott, for example.
I think it’s one of those things, an “activist judge” is a judge that decides the way that the individual in question doesn’t like.
for example, I’d support the Supreme Court applying Full Faith and Credit to gay marriages from MA being legal in other states… but that would probably be considered “activist” by someone who opposes gay marriage.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:11:08pm |
re: #51 albusteve
well said and I agree…govt is consumed with itself
That’s what it does- it tries to grab more power for itself. It’s in its nature. But I doubt Graham realized how revealing his own comments would be concerning his views on power and the proper role of government. This is basic civics stuff.
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Jack Burton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:11:20pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
FDA iz fascism and their rules are oppressive. I also eat med rare pork all the time. Trichinosis is a New World Order myth!
I know a kook into all the “woo-woo” diet fads who swears up and down that high salt/sodium diets are actually good for you, and the high blood pressure connection is made up to keep people feeling weak or ill all the time. (apparently so “big pharma” can drain your bank account).
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:11:38pm |
Hey remember that KKK guy who hid in Israel:
Micky Louis Mayon, one of the FBI’s 100 most wanted criminals who was arrested in Tel Aviv on Monday, has told investigators of his case that he is currently residing in Israel with his Jewish girlfriend, and that she is pregnant with his child.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com…]
Well I’ve always dated jewish girls, but hey I am Jewish?
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legalpad Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:11:41pm |
re: #75 irongrampa
My Second Amendment right was spelled out to me in the Constitution, and there’s no way I’ll ever allow that right to be abrogated.
It’ll be defended by whatever means proves necessary.
Yep, somebody stole all my guns. It’s right here in the police report./
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:12:08pm |
re: #69 austin_blue
I think (and I could be flat wrong) that the Supremes ruled that the right to bear is always there, but that States could put individual restrictions on the dollars and cents of that right. In other words, like driving or drinking, as opposed to voting or speech, each individual State can tailor a set of laws that meets it needs.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that yet. The 9th found recently that the states were bound by the 2nd, Sotomayor ruled they were not. Suits will be brought from Il, CA, NY and other place to extend Heller to all states.
The bill of rights and the 2nd is specific “the right of the people” not “the right of the people except when the states decide otherwise.” The 10th further binds the states, the 2nd is enumerated removing that right from state interference.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:12:31pm |
re: #80 BlueCanuck
Why not? You’re still cooking with fire. Besides tuna is a finicky meat to prepare properly. Sounds like a wonderful solution.
I’ve cooked plenty of tuna on a searing hot grill and was never unhappy with it…if you need a blow torch so be it…hahaha!
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J.D. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:13:09pm |
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~Fianna Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:13:14pm |
re: #68 jcm
We have a social / civil contract with our government, there is only one touch stone for judging laws in our country, the Constitution.
International trade is a completely separate issue.
Actually, that’s not true. The Constitution is a large part of what governs our law, but Military Law is judged outside the constitution, Tort law is usually governed by an American modified version of Common Law, etc.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:13:26pm |
re: #84 Sharmuta
That’s what it does- it tries to grab more power for itself. It’s in its nature. But I doubt Graham realized how revealing his own comments would be concerning his views on power and the proper role of government. This is basic civics stuff.
Civics - they don’t do a real good job of teaching that anymore.
My kids keep telling me I should quite whining about engineering these days and take up teaching history and government.
I kind of like the thought. The people I owe money to, not so much.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:14:05pm |
re: #84 Sharmuta
That’s what it does- it tries to grab more power for itself. It’s in its nature. But I doubt Graham realized how revealing his own comments would be concerning his views on power and the proper role of government. This is basic civics stuff.
any connection the Senate presumes it has with the people is a myth…there are voting records to prove it…I hate them more than the rest…
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~Fianna Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:14:25pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
FDA iz fascism and their rules are oppressive. I also eat med rare pork all the time. Trichinosis is a New World Order myth!
My mom would have a heart attack if she saw my pork loin. Pork’s the only meat that I temp - the bad stuff is killed at about 148 and that still leaves the meat nice and pink and juicy.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:14:26pm |
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:14:33pm |
re: #75 irongrampa
My Second Amendment right was spelled out to me in the Constitution, and there’s no way I’ll ever allow that right to be abrogated.
It’ll be defended by whatever means proves necessary.
That right is already restricted by the states, in many states a sawed off shot gun is illegal, fully automatic weapons are regulated, and each state has it’s own rules
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Lincolntf Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:15:00pm |
re: #93 Van Helsing
Never mind the pay cut, the re-education alone could run into 6 figures.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:15:08pm |
re: #82 albusteve
and use your toilet to wash up the dishes afterward…I get it…what a groovy lifestyle!
I haven’t done that since the second marriage!!
(I did think it was an elegant solution, though)
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:15:19pm |
re: #88 jcm
SCOTUS has not ruled on that yet. The 9th found recently that the states were bound by the 2nd, Sotomayor ruled they were not. Suits will be brought from Il, CA, NY and other place to extend Heller to all states.
The bill of rights and the 2nd is specific “the right of the people” not “the right of the people except when the states decide otherwise.” The 10th further binds the states, the 2nd is enumerated removing that right from state interference.
Right. And the reason that the other suits will need to be brought is because the Supremes mad a very narrow judgement on the DC case.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:15:29pm |
re: #71 Van Helsing
Sounds good. I think I’ll try that on some little pork loins I bought.
If they’re small it’s really the way to go. You’ll probably use the same amount of propane to light the coals but you won’t have to wait an hour.
You can also use it for peeling tomatoes and peppers…
I’m getting a lot of kitchen use out of my propane torch these days.
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jvic Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:15:36pm |
re: #7 Charles
I’m sorry, but this has to be one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever heard:
Graham: What’s the best way for society to change?The proper response to something like this is: “Wha?!”
re: #23 The Shadow Do
If that was meant to be a trap, he should have baited it first.
From the transcript:
GRAHAM: Do you believe the Constitution is a living, breathing, evolving document?SOTOMAYOR: The Constitution is a document that is immutable to the sense that it’s lasted 200 years. The Constitution has not changed except by amendment. It is a process — an amendment process that is set forth in the document.
It doesn’t live other than to be timeless by the expression of what it says. What changes is society. What changes is what facts a judge may get presented…
GRAHAM: What’s the best way for society to change, generally speaking? What’s the most legitimate way for a society to change?
SOTOMAYOR: I don’t know if I can use the words “change.” Society changes because there’s been new development in technology, medicine, in — in society growing.
GRAHAM: Do you think judges — do you think judges have changed society by some of the landmark decisions in the last 40 years?
etc
IMHO he hopes she’ll say that the courts are an instrument of change. Of course she sees that and avoids it. How stupid is Graham, to think she is that stupid?
I only watched a few minutes of the video, but it looked to me like Schumer, Sotomayor and the woman behind her were trying to keep straight faces.
The above is meant as a comment on Graham and similar Republicans, not as support for Sotomayor.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:16:09pm |
I like to tenderize my shark steaks by driving over them with my car…it only takes two quick passes with a decent radial…tire pressure should be reduced to no more than 15lbs
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Elcid Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:16:27pm |
re: #65 Iron Fist
Elcid! Hey, brother, what up? Everything here is good (relatively). Some big changes, but we’ll get through them. The Girlfriend and I are still together. It’s been four years now. Time flies, but where’s the fun?
Excellent my fine friend…What’s up here, are all these damn people coming through Gatlinburg, visiting the Smoky’s.
Chamber indicates business is down, BUT if they can afford the gas, motel and condo rates and food…like WTF?
Tickled you and the Lady are fine…Damn right you’ll get through them…Hell, the only way to move IS forward :)
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:16:27pm |
re: #97 avanti
That right is already restricted by the states, in many states a sawed off shot gun is illegal, fully automatic weapons are regulated, and each state has it’s own rules
Automatic weapons fall under federal regulations first.
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J.D. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:16:45pm |
re: #103 albusteve
I like to tenderize my shark steaks by driving over them with my car…it only takes two quick passes with a decent radial…tire pressure should be reduced to no more than 15lbs
Does it work as well with run-flat tires?
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:18:17pm |
re: #104 Elcid
Excellent my fine friend…What’s up here, are all these damn people coming through Gatlinburg, visiting the Smoky’s.
Chamber indicates business is down, BUT if they can afford the gas, motel and condo rates and food…like WTF?
Tickled you and the Lady are fine…Damn right you’ll get through them…Hell, the only way to move IS forward :)
When you’re going through hell, keep moving.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:18:30pm |
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freetoken Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:19:26pm |
Look on the positive side - at least Michele Bachmann is not in the Senate or the Judiciary Committee…
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:19:59pm |
re: #92 ~Fianna
Actually, that’s not true. The Constitution is a large part of what governs our law, but Military Law is judged outside the constitution, Tort law is usually governed by an American modified version of Common Law, etc.
I repeat my first statement, the Constitution is the contract between The People and the government. It constrains the government.
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Dahveed Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:20:08pm |
I happened to have visited the Senate for a tour courtesy of my alumni association within the past few months. The only thing I could notice is that the Senate is not made up of the best and brightest America has to offer. (Even more so now that Al Franken is a Senator (G-d help us!)). All I could think of was that these guys have no idea what they are doing there. When you see Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, and Chris Dodd, et. al. one realizes that the Senate is akin to a den of thieves. We all know this to some extent, but I don’t think one really realizes until they are actually in the gallery watching them. Several others attending were excited to see some of these senators. I felt like I needed a shower when I got home.
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J.D. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:20:11pm |
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SteveC Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:21:50pm |
re: #85 ArchangelMichael
I know a kook into all the “woo-woo” diet fads who swears up and down that high salt/sodium diets are actually good for you, and the high blood pressure connection is made up to keep people feeling weak or ill all the time. (apparently so “big pharma” can drain your bank account).
Holy -!
Congestive Heart Failure diet is 2000 milligrams of sodium per day. if you don’t follow it, you’re “digging your grave with a fork” (as my dad might say)
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:21:56pm |
Hello Night Lizards! It was another lovely July Day in The Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today.
Regarding Sotomayor —did any of the GOP Senators ask her anything regarding 2nd Amendment issues?
How are you-all?
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:23:11pm |
re: #100 austin_blue
Right. And the reason that the other suits will need to be brought is because the Supremes mad a very narrow judgement on the DC case.
And my point was her testimony today contradicted her earlier ruling.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:24:00pm |
re: #111 freetoken
Look on the positive side - at least Michele Bachmann is not in the Senate or the Judiciary Committee…
She’s there in spirit.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:24:04pm |
SOTOMAYOR: I don’t know if I can use the words “change.” Society changes because there’s been new development in technology, medicine, in — in society growing.
Right here, it’s actually the supposedly flaming leftist Sotomayor that gets it exactly right. One of the key factors in societal change is advancements in technology, science and medicine, and knowledge.
For example- it was plumbing that improved the standard of living in ancient civilizations. The rich could already afford to have slaves fetch their water, but it was access to water for the poor that improved society. Changes that the full consequences of could not have been known from the inventors or other powers that be.
It is Sotomayor that displays understanding of the constrained vision on this concept of “societal change” better than a so-called “conservative”. I’ve seen other statements from Sotomayor where I have concluded she is a moderate because I see both the constrained and unconstrained visions in her. She will be a mixed bag, but she has some fundamental positions on which I agree with her. The quote above is one such case.
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Dahveed Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:25:11pm |
re: #117 Iron Fist
I left there thinking I still like law and politics but more from the theoretical standpoint. But, I realized just how much I dislike politicians. I thought to myself that they were no better than snake oil salesmen.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:25:22pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:25:37pm |
re: #118 jcm
And my point was her testimony today contradicted her earlier ruling.
It was *nuance*, silly! The whole purpose of any candidates’ testimony is to say *nothing*. The entire day was fundamentally booo-ring.
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Dan G. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:26:04pm |
re: #84 Sharmuta
“The bureaucracy is expanding to fill the needs of the ever expanding bureaucracy.”
—unknown
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:26:06pm |
re: #105 Van Helsing
Automatic weapons fall under federal regulations first.
As does the “sawed-off” shotgun. NFA ‘34. And you can take that to the bank.
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SteveC Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:26:40pm |
re: #124 austin_blue
It was *nuance*, silly! The whole purpose of any candidates’ testimony is to say *nothing*. The entire day was fundamentally booo-ring.
Michael Jackson coverage was better than this.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:27:03pm |
re: #124 austin_blue
It was *nuance*, silly! The whole purpose of any candidates’ testimony is to say *nothing*. The entire day was fundamentally booo-ring.
LOL!
That’s the truth…
We should waterboard SCOTUS nominees to get the the truth!
///
Or at least the damn Senators…
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:27:18pm |
re: #126 OldLineTexan
As does the “sawed-off” shotgun. NFA ‘34. And you can take that to the bank.
But only if you want to get sentenced to Joliet or Atlanta…
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:27:18pm |
re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I like my tuna swimming.
Just sayin’…
Me, too! In soy sauce and wasabi, mmm …
/
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VioletTiger Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:27:59pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
Killgore are you using a culinary torch or a utility torch?
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SteveC Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:01pm |
re: #128 jcm
LOL!
That’s the truth…
We should waterboard SCOTUS nominees to get the the truth!
///Or at least the damn Senators…
“I want the Truth!”
“You can’t handle the Truth!”
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Jack Burton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:02pm |
re: #115 SteveC
Holy -!
Congestive Heart Failure diet is 2000 milligrams of sodium per day. if you don’t follow it, you’re “digging your grave with a fork” (as my dad might say)
There are reasons I never say anything like “I don’t feel so good today” or “I feel kinda tired” around certain people anymore. I get hit with a barrage of pseudoscientific conspiracy theory luddite mumbo jumbo. I’ve figured out a sad truth about life in the 21st century: Kooks are everywhere, and everyone has a little bit of kook in them somewhere.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:03pm |
re: #129 austin_blue
But only if you want to get sentenced to Joliet or Atlanta…
I want to thank you for “getting” that weak joke. It makes my evening.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:16pm |
re: #116 ggt
Hello Night Lizards! It was another lovely July Day in The Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today.
Regarding Sotomayor —did any of the GOP Senators ask her anything regarding 2nd Amendment issues?
How are you-all?
What up? Hope you are well..
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freetoken Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:19pm |
re: #119 Charles
She’s there in spirit.
Just imagine if she were there in the flesh… she could ask Judge Sotomayor where in the constitution Ms. Sotomayor is given the power to judge someone…
/you have to watch Ms. Bachmann grilling the Fed or the Treasury to understand this.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:23pm |
The smart lawyers go the judicial route. The stupid ones go for politics.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:28pm |
re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I like my tuna swimming.
Just sayin’…
I have made rare blackened tuna. You have to get the oil really really hot.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:29pm |
re: #131 VioletTiger
Killgore are you using a culinary torch or a utility torch?
Cutting torch … we’re in a HURRY here!
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:37pm |
I’m not watching the confirmation hearings. It’s basically TV facetime, but like watching last years Superbowl…you know who’s gonna win this one…
I’m not in the mood to watch any of these F**kwads talk.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:28:54pm |
re: #134 OldLineTexan
I want to thank you for “getting” that weak joke. It makes my evening.
{{bows}}
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VioletTiger Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:29:36pm |
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nantucket Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:30:13pm |
if that is the best the repubs can come up with then i weep for the party and my country. a crafty, wise senator could have used her statements like lumber to build her gallows (figurative, not literal, get off me already) and left her liberal claptrap swinging in the breeze for all watchers to smell how it stinks rotten. repubs rarely seem to want (or be able) to use the same tactics that dems use to deny appointments AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:30:24pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:31:02pm |
the feds have torn the grip of power way from the few citizens in this country that pay attention…they will say and do whatever they want because they have masses of droolers to repeatedly vote for them…voters gave it all up and now we reap the consequences…it’s been coming for decades and is no surprise…the show biz MSM carries their water for ratings…Soto is insignificant unless you want to micro dissect issues…they rule over us and there is little to be done about it…hunker down
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:31:32pm |
re: #132 SteveC
“I want the Truth!”
“You can’t handle the Truth!”
Truth is Sotomayor replaces Souter, very little change in the courts complexion. She’s not worth the political capital to fight, and the (R) Senators all know it and are just punching the right buttons before she’s confirmed.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:31:33pm |
re: #138 NJDhockeyfan
Jacque Cousteau did an entire series on his hunt for the “Rare Blackened Tuna”.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:31:39pm |
re: #142 VioletTiger
Sea kittehs!
Heh.
Dumbest idea ever.
I’d love to see what happened to their funding after that brilliant idea came on line.
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irongrampa Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:31:41pm |
re: #97 avanti
And that is WRONG. Not in the sense that various states haven’t ASSUMED the right to restrict firearm possession, but there is no inherent right for any state to do so.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:31:55pm |
re: #121 Iron Fist
Nothing substantive. She got tossed a couple of softballs by Feingold on the issue, and she made equally deep responses which, of course, satisfied everyone. You didn’t really expect the Republicans to fight her on those grounds, did you? Given the mood of America on that issue, they might actually win on it, and I don’t think they are fighting to win. It is just a show. Everything’s already been decided.
Yes, I was just hoping someone would ask her if she felt the First Amendment also was subject to State’s interpretation. I think it is an important question that needs to be asked.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:31:58pm |
Sarah Evans is rocking the house in the 7th inning..Just breathtaking version tonight at the All-Star Game…What a singer
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:32:14pm |
re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jacque Cousteau did an entire series on his hunt for the “Rare Blackened Tuna”.
He should have looked in my kitchen.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:32:32pm |
re: #148 Sharmuta
Are fresh water fish “Lake Kittehs”?
mmm, fresh caught Golden Trout caught at dawn, pan fried over the fire in butter…
mmm love ‘dem Lake Kittehs!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:32:48pm |
re: #154 HoosierHoops
Sarah Evans is rocking the house in the 7th inning..Just breathtaking version tonight at the All-Star Game…What a singer
And she’s hot.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:33:13pm |
re: #128 jcm
LOL!
That’s the truth…
We should waterboard SCOTUS nominees to get the the truth!
///Or at least the damn Senators…
The politicans can’t handle the truth.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:33:21pm |
re: #148 Sharmuta
Are fresh water fish “Lake Kittehs”?
unles tehy r teh ribber kittehs or teh pond kittehs
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:33:50pm |
re: #148 Sharmuta
Are fresh water fish “Lake Kittehs”?
Except when they are caught in a river. Then they’re river kittens.
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pingjockey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:34:21pm |
re: #156 jcm
We went to Harts English Fish and Chips in Wenatchee, the better half made a spectacle of herself eating beer battered cod. Then again, she is from Wales!
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:34:27pm |
re: #135 HoosierHoops
What up? Hope you are well..
Hangin’ in there! Thanks for askin!
How you doin?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:35:06pm |
re: #163 NJDhockeyfan
Except when they are caught in a river. Then they’re river kittens.
Fishbowl kittehs? Aquarium kittehs?
Cats freakin’ love them!
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:35:09pm |
unless they are down stream of the metro sanitary comm
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VioletTiger Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:36:07pm |
re: #151 Van Helsing
Heh.
Dumbest idea ever.
I’d love to see what happened to their funding after that brilliant idea came on line.
Dumb, but amusing.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:36:15pm |
re: #164 pingjockey
We went to Harts English Fish and Chips in Wenatchee, the better half made a spectacle of herself eating beer battered cod. Then again, she is from Wales!
Hey Ping!
Evening!
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Elcid Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:36:38pm |
“A Smart Latina” keeps her mouth shut!
The Obama regime…Prez, Congress and now beginning on SCOTUS.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:36:47pm |
TADAH! Does my Karma make me look…well… you know.
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:36:50pm |
re: #153 ggt
Yes, I was just hoping someone would ask her if she felt the First Amendment also was subject to State’s interpretation. I think it is an important question that needs to be asked.
No, she stated the first does clearly does apply to the states, but the second is still in limbo until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:36:58pm |
re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m not watching the confirmation hearings. It’s basically TV facetime, but like watching last years Superbowl…you know who’s gonna win this one…
I’m not in the mood to watch any of these F**kwads talk.
I find most of the “public” hearings on C-SPAN are nothing but a dog-and-pony show. There is some good informatin from those testifying, but the politicians are usually just reading a script written by their particular party. Feinstein usually reads a list of deposition questions. And some old-timer pontificates for votes.
Still, what is on the record is on the record.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:37:02pm |
re: #164 pingjockey
We went to Harts English Fish and Chips in Wenatchee, the better half made a spectacle of herself eating beer battered cod. Then again, she is from Wales!
Loved the Fish-n-Chips from a cart on the pier in Briton!
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:37:03pm |
was walking by lake mich the other day and there was a sign that said no fishing and just under the sigh were about 20 fish some of them close to 30 lbs give or take a lb.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:37:27pm |
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irongrampa Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:37:41pm |
re: #171 jcm
Did they have the for real English chips and not just French fries?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:37:47pm |
re: #131 VioletTiger
Killgore are you using a culinary torch or a utility torch?
There’s really no difference (aside from price). I use the same torch I use to light the charcoal grill (Big Green Egg) and kill weeds in the garden. I don’t see a need to buy a separate torch.
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J.D. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:37:47pm |
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calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:37:58pm |
re: #175 taxfreekiller
Watch how she blinks uncontrolled after the vote and is asked about the vote.
Compare this one and Pelosi, same speed of blink, same degree of liar.
I dunno. Someone ought to yell, “Clouseau!” and see if she starts twitching.
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pingjockey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:38:18pm |
re: #171 jcm
Good evening back atcha! Hotter n’ hell over here. 100 for the next 3-4 days!
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:38:23pm |
re: #174 avanti
No, she stated the first does clearly does apply to the states, but the second is still in limbo until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
So how much of the Bill of Rights is still in limbo, according to your theory?
I find it … disturbing.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:39:00pm |
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:39:11pm |
re: #180 irongrampa
Did they have the for real English chips and not just French fries?
Oh, yeah. A rolled up paper newspaper cone with the fish-n-chips, and a array of condiments to choose from.
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calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:39:21pm |
re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It certainly isn’t slimming. Neither are horizontal stripes.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:39:23pm |
re: #165 ggt
Hangin’ in there! Thanks for askin!
How you doin?
Doing wonderful…We have a great weekend coming up don’t we?
Hope today finds you well
/All-Star game is on
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pingjockey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:39:33pm |
re: #177 jcm
Shhh! She’ll hear! That is one of her fondest memories as a kid. Going to the beach there in Wales and going to the chip wagon!
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J.D. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:39:37pm |
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calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:40:08pm |
re: #188 jcm
Including mayonnaise, probably. Damned Europeans.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:40:10pm |
re: #186 OldLineTexan
So how much of the Bill of Rights is still in limbo, according to your theory?
I find it … disturbing.
It’s a living document, interpretation is up to the emotion of the day.
//
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:41:01pm |
re: #186 OldLineTexan
So how much of the Bill of Rights is still in limbo, according to your theory?
I find it … disturbing.
how much clearer can Heller be
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:41:31pm |
re: #194 jcm
It’s a living document, interpretation is up to the emotion of the day.
//
Hell of a way to live, waiting for the Nine Wise Whatevers to rule on everything that’s been on paper in English for well over 200 years.
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pingjockey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:41:38pm |
re: #194 jcm
Gaaah! I hate that ‘living constitution’ nonsense. It is living in the fact that it can be amended, not that you can find stuff in there that isn’t there!
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:41:44pm |
re: #134 OldLineTexan
I want to thank you for “getting” that weak joke. It makes my evening.
Good morning. It’s 4:30am here and I’ve been lurking for a while to try to get to sleep, but instead I find I’m even more awake.
That rang a bell with me although I had to google it to be sure. One quirk about that NFA is that some of those weapons are legal IF they had been registered before 1934. If not they are illegal to the hilt.
/Makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:41:54pm |
re: #190 HoosierHoops
Hey 2H, any word on tickets for the Moto GP race at Indy on the 30 August?
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VioletTiger Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:42:09pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:42:22pm |
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irongrampa Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:42:24pm |
Always been a mystery to me how a document (the Constitution) written in black and white can be read in so many shades of grey.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:42:26pm |
re: #195 albusteve
how much clearer can Heller be
It’s just that there have never been any Redcoats quartered in my house, and since that hasn’t been ruled on by the Nine Wise Whatevers …
/
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:42:47pm |
re: #174 avanti
No, she stated the first does clearly does apply to the states, but the second is still in limbo until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
That is an interesting legal conundrum —The Bill of Rights are not equal?
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HelloDare Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:42:52pm |
Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isn’t president
U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, set to deploy to Afghanistan, says he shouldn’t have to go.
His reason?
Barack Obama was never eligible to be president because he wasn’t born in the United States.
Cook’s lawyer, Orly Taitz, who has also challenged the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency in other courts, filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector for her client.
In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia — the California-based Taitz asks the court to consider granting his client’s request based upon Cook’s belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
Cook further states he “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. … simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.”
Cook, a reservist, received the orders mobilizing him to active duty on June 9.
According to this document, which accompanies Cook’s July 8 application for a temporary restraining order, he has been ordered to report to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla., on Wednesday. From there, the Florida resident would go to Fort Benning before deploying overseas.
Documents show Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.
A hearing to discuss Cook’s requests will take place in federal court here Thursday at 9:30 a.m.
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:42:54pm |
re: #186 OldLineTexan
So how much of the Bill of Rights is still in limbo, according to your theory?
I find it … disturbing.
Hey don’t blame me, the Supreme Court has yet to rule on the seconds effect on states laws restricting some weapons. It’s not “my theory”, it’s the state of the law as of today.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:42:59pm |
re: #198 Naso Tang
Good morning. It’s 4:30am here and I’ve been lurking for a while to try to get to sleep, but instead I find I’m even more awake.
That rang a bell with me although I had to google it to be sure. One quirk about that NFA is that some of those weapons are legal IF they had been registered before 1934. If not they are illegal to the hilt.
/Makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?
Yes, “gun laws” are the absolute pinnacle of logic.
/
| 210 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:43:01pm |
Ojoe, foolish white man, posts tonight’s Towercam, for some nature:
No news, only beauty, on the carrier wave of silence.
(San Gabriel Mountains of California)
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:43:19pm |
re: #203 OldLineTexan
It’s just that there have never been any Redcoats quartered in my house, and since that hasn’t been ruled on by the Nine Wise Whatevers …
/
leftists are crack pots…you just heard it for yourself
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:43:38pm |
re: #208 avanti
Hey don’t blame me, the Supreme Court has yet to rule on the seconds effect on states laws restricting some weapons. It’s not “my theory”, it’s the state of the law as of today.
I’m speaking of your limbo theory, not assigning blame.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:43:44pm |
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:44:01pm |
[Link: www2.webpages.uidaho.edu…]
Pelosi who reminds me of the top of these two prints the one with the working girl from iraq riding the 7 headed hydra
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:44:16pm |
re: #208 avanti
Hey don’t blame me, the Supreme Court has yet to rule on the seconds effect on states laws restricting some weapons. It’s not “my theory”, it’s the state of the law as of today.
how do you hope they rule when it comes up?
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pingjockey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:44:20pm |
re: #207 HelloDare
A fucking nirther is a field grade officer?! Court martial his dumb ass and have done with it.
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HelloDare Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:44:57pm |
re: #216 pingjockey
A fucking nirther is a field grade officer?! Court martial his dumb ass and have done with it.
Nirther with a gun.
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Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:45:04pm |
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:45:06pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:45:15pm |
re: #207 HelloDare
Not sure I want anybody that stupid fighting for his country. Aren’t there Latrines to clean? Permanent Latrine Orderly?
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:45:15pm |
re: #195 albusteve
how much clearer can Heller be
Heller was very clear that it was limited to the DC gun case only, the justices did not expand it’s reach to the states. Like I said, there are other cases pending that they may clear up the issue.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:45:20pm |
re: #210 Ojoe
Ojoe, foolish white man, posts tonight’s Towercam, for some nature:
No news, only beauty, on the carrier wave of silence.
(San Gabriel Mountains of California)
I’M BLINDED!
Seriously, I love your towercam posts.
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calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:45:28pm |
re: #203 OldLineTexan
It’s just that there have never been any Redcoats quartered in my house, and since that hasn’t been ruled on by the Nine Wise Whatevers …
/
You mean those limeys living in my garage don’t have to stay there? Well, I can use it now for storage of my excess stuff instead of parking my car.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:45:59pm |
re: #222 MandyManners
My desktop is an Ojoe Towercam shot.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:46:00pm |
re: #217 HelloDare
Nirther with a
gunweapon (rifle is also acceptable, as is pistol).
He has a gun, too, though.
/
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pingjockey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:46:12pm |
re: #217 HelloDare
This is not good. Bad for good order and discipline.
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:46:47pm |
re: #212 OldLineTexan
I’m speaking of your limbo theory, not assigning blame.
I used the word limbo, because the SC has yet to rule on the seconds effect on state gun laws, may soon do so.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:46:50pm |
re: #207 HelloDare
Lock the coward up for 6 years if he does not want to serve. Selfish arsehole.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:46:55pm |
re: #223 calcajun
You mean those limeys living in my garage don’t have to stay there? Well, I can use it now for storage of my excess stuff instead of parking my car.
Check under the rafters … you may also have Hessians!
/
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HelloDare Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:47:11pm |
re: #227 pingjockey
This is not good. Bad for good order and discipline.
Yeah, Jesus never had to show his birth certificate. /
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albusteve Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:47:32pm |
re: #221 avanti
Heller was very clear that it was limited to the DC gun case only, the justices did not expand it’s reach to the states. Like I said, there are other cases pending that they may clear up the issue.
the issue is clear and you know it…liberals will make it a fight every step down the line and lose…why do they fear an armed population?
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:47:34pm |
re: #208 avanti
Hey don’t blame me, the Supreme Court has yet to rule on the seconds effect on states laws restricting some weapons. It’s not “my theory”, it’s the state of the law as of today.
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Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:47:37pm |
re: #39 Charles
“Do you believe there are people out there right now plotting our destruction?”
The proper reply to that would have been “Well, Duh.”
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:47:44pm |
re: #214 yochanan
[Link: www2.webpages.uidaho.edu…]
Pelosi who reminds me of the top of these two prints the one with the working girl from iraq riding the 7 headed hydra
OR SHOULD I HAVE CALLED HER THE WHORE OF D.C.?
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:47:46pm |
re: #228 avanti
I used the word limbo, because the SC has yet to rule on the seconds effect on state gun laws, may soon do so.
And how do you feel about the various meanings of “people” emanating from the BoR’s various penumbras?
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:47:54pm |
re: #199 Erik The Red
Hey 2H, any word on tickets for the Moto GP race at Indy on the 30 August?
Hi Erik! How many tiks are you looking for? Are you settled in yet?
We are going to have so much fun
| 241 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:47:56pm |
re: #224 taxfreekiller
within these sly words great danger
“under the conditions of the time”
the original framers did so and so…
this is open flood gate and she and the commies she represents know it
Some conditions are eternal, like the government wanting you to give them more power over you than you want them to take.
That’s pretty much…as long as history’s been recorded.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:48:31pm |
re: #45 Sharmuta
What I find disturbing with the questions and statements concerning “change” in society is what Graham is saying. I don’t elect people in the hope they’ll “change society”. I elect people in the hopes they’ll set policy and change or make laws that allow society to function to the best of it’s abilities.
It is NOT government’s role to change us into the society they wish we were, but rather to keep it functioning. That is a fundamental flaw in Graham’s reasoning and exactly the sort of foundational problem I continue to mention in thread after thread. The right can’t even agree on the proper role of government. Some might say they do- but when they make comments like the ones Graham made today, you might want to think twice about trusting them.
Sharm: You have hit the nail on the head with startling force, IMO.
The guys currently “grilling” Sotomayor will all tell you with a straight face that they’re against “activist” judges.
But if any one of them had a chance to appoint a Supreme Court justice who would repeal Roe, or adopt a dozen other extreme measures to extend government’s power over our private lives, they would jump on that judge’s train so fast they would leave skid-marks. It’s the party’s dirty little secret, and so far nobody has the cojones to bring it to light in a way that the public can grasp.
As Fianna rightly points out, an “activist” is any judge the GOP doesn’t like, for whatever reason. Or no reason.
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Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:48:35pm |
re: #222 MandyManners
In a few minutes the sun will be below the ridges & the scene will change.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:48:38pm |
re: #221 avanti
Heller was very clear that it was limited to the DC gun case only, the justices did not expand it’s reach to the states. Like I said, there are other cases pending that they may clear up the issue.
How’s about you provide a citation?
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irongrampa Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:48:41pm |
This guy is a loser. When you take the oath, you fulfil the oath to the best of your ability, NO exceptions.
Cant do that, your ass is gone.
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calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:48:57pm |
re: #230 OldLineTexan
Check under the rafters … you may also have Hessians!
/
Gads! I thought I heard some nasty Teutonic utterances coming from the attic. I just thought it was some poltergeist, or the demon that ruined Linda Blair’s acting career. /
| 247 |
VioletTiger Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:49:32pm |
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calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:49:36pm |
re: #231 HelloDare
Yeah, Jesus never had to show his birth certificate. /
But he could prove he was Jewish..wink wink nudge nudge.
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pingjockey Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:49:45pm |
re: #245 irongrampa
Guess he forgot what he took that oath to.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:50:09pm |
re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My desktop is an Ojoe Towercam shot.
Mine usetal be Mr. August from the Freedomisnotfree.com calendar but, technological problems caused me to lose it and now, the calendar’s link is DEAD.
*whimper*
| 251 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:50:18pm |
| 252 |
calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:50:19pm |
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:50:45pm |
re: #201 MandyManners
What’s up, my fellow Lizards? Has anyone seen any drunken badgers lately?
[Video]
No, but I’ve got this - Monkey vs Robot
10 days of backpacking at Philmont I had to learn to deal with Monkey vs Robot…
Little bastards wore me down to the point where I started to understand it.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:50:57pm |
re: #205 ggt
That is an interesting legal conundrum —The Bill of Rights are not equal?
The Supremes ruled narrowly on the right of an individual, as opposed to a member of a militia, to bear arms. They said that every individual , say OR, has a right to own a firearm in DC. But they did not address the larger question of what right the several states have in limiting what *kind* of weapon he may own and how it may be utilized in public. It did not address right to carry. They have left that up to the States to determine.
| 256 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:51:11pm |
re: #243 Ojoe
In a few minutes the sun will be below the ridges & the scene will change.
Just coming up where I am in Sweden. Sorry no cam.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:51:22pm |
re: #243 Ojoe
In a few minutes the sun will be below the ridges & the scene will change.
I’ll check back.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:51:44pm |
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:51:53pm |
re: #254 Van Helsing
No, but I’ve got this - Monkey vs Robot
10 days of backpacking at Philmont I had to learn to deal with Monkey vs Robot…
Little bastards wore me down to the point where I started to understand it.
Philmont is a great place … did you camp at the cattle ranch, or near the trout fishing lodge? See the plane wreck on Mt. Philips?
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calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:51:54pm |
re: #254 Van Helsing
No, but I’ve got this - Monkey vs Robot
10 days of backpacking at Philmont I had to learn to deal with Monkey vs Robot…
Little bastards wore me down to the point where I started to understand it.
I’m doing Philmont either next year or in 2011—it’s that booked. How was it.
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:51:59pm |
re: #248 calcajun
HE COMES BACK
and the first two things out of his mouth
1. what are these cheese burgers with bacon
2. what is this sunday thing
| 265 |
MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:52:47pm |
re: #254 Van Helsing
No, but I’ve got this - Monkey vs Robot
10 days of backpacking at Philmont I had to learn to deal with Monkey vs Robot…
Little bastards wore me down to the point where I started to understand it.
So. you’ve met my X.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:53:12pm |
re: #245 irongrampa
This guy is a loser. When you take the oath, you fulfil the oath to the best of your ability, NO exceptions.
Cant do that, your ass is gone.
That is the way those ‘oath’ thingies work.
So few understand that today.
| 267 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:53:26pm |
re: #219 OldLineTexan
It is “zaftig” if you want to google some images.
| 269 |
Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:54:28pm |
re: #240 HoosierHoops
I will be moving into the rented townhouse on the 24th July. The family is arriving on the 2cd of August. Four tickets would be great(2 adults 2 children) plus you and your family. If that is not possible I will take what I can get. Beggars can’t be choosers.
| 270 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:54:29pm |
| 271 |
calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:54:44pm |
re: #263 yochanan
HE COMES BACK
and the first two things out of his mouth
1. what are these cheese burgers with bacon
2. what is this sunday thing
Don’t forget,
3. What the hell is with the rabbit? How does my crucifixion and resurrection equate with a giant freaking bunny doling out chocolate eggs?
| 272 |
irongrampa Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:54:47pm |
re: #266 Van Helsing
I never untook that oath, and will bet there’s more than a few here who haven’t either.
| 273 |
ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:55:00pm |
Speaking of Jeff Sessions’ part in the “grill,” was anybody but me unaware of this historical fact from the Wall Street Journal?
…In 1986, Cedarbaum and Sessions were both nominated to the federal bench by President Ronald Reagan, and were members of the same orientation class for future judges. Their paths then diverged, however. Cedarbaum was confirmed, but Sessions’ nomination floundered over a controversy surrounding comments he made involving the Ku Klux Klan and the NAACP.
| 277 |
MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:55:22pm |
re: #236 yochanan
OR SHOULD I HAVE CALLED HER THE WHORE OF D.C.?
Stop with the fucking misogyny! Calling a woman a “whore” just because she is a radical departure from your political POV?
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU REFERED TO A MALE POLITICIAN AS A WHORE?
Good grief. I gotta’ go take a walk around the property before I blow a fucking fuse.
| 278 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:55:22pm |
re: #251 Floral Giraffe
Chubby?
Floral! you would not believe how much I ate Sunday night…A big Steak, Mashed potatoes, Veggies and a huge Chef Salad with everything on it..A jug of strawberry milk and Chocolate milk.I pigged out and on Monday Morning woke up starving to death..I mean.starving! Weird!
I am disgusted with myself..And skipped breakfast…
I have never been so hungry.
*wink*
How are you tonight?
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:55:24pm |
re: #271 calcajun
Don’t forget,
3. What the hell is with the rabbit? How does my crucifixion and resurrection equate with a giant freaking bunny doling out chocolate eggs?
Jesus has been watching. He knows what got coopted from where and who.
| 280 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:55:29pm |
re: #242 ShanghaiEd
As we discussed last night- I don’t use the left-right dichotomy anymore. A much better political indicator would be discussing what people’s basic notions concerning the role of government. People who want to use the force of the government to improve “the people” can come from either wing of the left-right scale, and likewise folks who think government’s role it to maintain proper societal functioning can be left or right. I think this is the real dichotomy- the proper role of government.
| 284 |
austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:57:40pm |
re: #277 MandyManners
Stop with the fucking misogyny! Calling a woman a “whore” just because she is a radical departure from your political POV?
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU REFERED TO A MALE POLITICIAN AS A WHORE?
Good grief. I gotta’ go take a walk around the property before I blow a fucking fuse.
Word. From the wielder of the Whack Stick. Agreed, Mandy.
| 285 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:58:07pm |
re: #256 Naso Tang
Here is a current view of the sun from a satellite:
SOHO Extreme ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (EIT) full-field He II 304 Å images from NASA Goddard Space Flight Center [ 2009/07/12 01:19:34 ]
I believe the imaging satellite is parked at a lagrange point & never goes into the earth’s shadow.
| 286 |
avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:58:16pm |
re: #255 austin_blue
The Supremes ruled narrowly on the right of an individual, as opposed to a member of a militia, to bear arms. They said that every individual , say OR, has a right to own a firearm in DC. But they did not address the larger question of what right the several states have in limiting what *kind* of weapon he may own and how it may be utilized in public. It did not address right to carry. They have left that up to the States to determine.
Thank you, here is
| 287 |
calcajun Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:58:26pm |
re: #277 MandyManners
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU REFERED TO A MALE POLITICIAN AS A WHORE?
Barney Frank - all last year.
BHO - all last year
I could go on.
But, you’re right in a sense. It’s a rotten pejorative term.
| 288 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:58:32pm |
re: #278 HoosierHoops
Hi HH!
Did you know that when you eat a lot, you stretch your stomach & it can hold more the next time? Supposed to work in reverse, too. Or, so I’ve been told!
Very fine here!
| 290 |
yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:59:04pm |
# zaftig : plump, chubby, full-figured, as a woman (from Yiddish זאַפֿטיק zaftik ‘juicy’; cf. German saftig ‘juicy’) (OED, MW)
| 291 |
yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:59:43pm |
the yiddish doesn’t want to go in correctly gets garbled
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freetoken Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:59:51pm |
re: #273 ShanghaiEd
Speaking of Jeff Sessions’ part in the “grill,” was anybody but me unaware of this historical fact from the Wall Street Journal?
It gets played by some pundits, such as in today’s column by Marie Cocco:
[…]
So as a matter of Supreme Court politics, the incendiary arguments of Sotomayor’s Republican opponents amount to gruel spooned out to the party’s base, shrunken and demoralized after repeated electoral losses and scandals. Unless Sotomayor suffers a “complete meltdown,” Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina predicted, she will be confirmed.
The price, though, is barely coded race baiting that has been part of the assault on Sotomayor since her nomination was announced. And it dominates the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings. The opening statement by Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the ranking Republican on the panel — whose own bid for a federal judgeship in the 1980s was turned down because of his track record against African-American voting rights — was a masterwork of this ancient art.
[…]
| 294 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:00:36pm |
re: #268 yochanan
I did not know that. Thanks. I grew up Catholic… I like to learn Jewish info…
| 295 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:00:40pm |
Pfffttt! Is Graham a creationist? Sotomayor should have told him societal change happens because of evolution. LOL
| 296 |
yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:01:06pm |
re: #277 MandyManners
frankly i would call all of them that all of d.c. for that matter
| 297 |
freetoken Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:02:11pm |
| 298 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:02:15pm |
Have y’all seen President Zero’s new ‘Green Czar’, Anthony “Van” Jones ?
Obama’s latest “In Your Face”: “Green Czar” admits he’s a Communist with arrest record
…The East Bay Express, an Oakland area Black on line magazine reported Comrade Czar Jones, the man who will put the final nail in our coffin, became a communist when he became enchanted with “these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, … I need to be a part of[them].”
He met them in jail, how inspiring!Jones proudly says he spent the next ten years working with the people he met in jail in April, and “by August I was a Communist.”
His website “Green for all” carries this telling quote from Comrade Jones on his new position, “… we’re going to be in an economic slowdown for a couple of years. So to take three months, four months, six months to spend this money the right way-we’re not going to get a chance to spend a trillion dollars again! Ever. So let’s do it the right way!”
| 299 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:02:36pm |
re: #290 yochanan
By the way there is a piazza & church in Venice, named for
“Santa Maria Formosa” which translates more or less as Bosomy Holy Mother or Shapely Mary.
| 300 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:02:42pm |
re: #273 ShanghaiEd
Speaking of Jeff Sessions’ part in the “grill,” was anybody but me unaware of this historical fact from the Wall Street Journal?
Do you know what he actually said? Whatever it was, it wasn’t enough to disqualify him from the Senate. Of course, with Byrd there, what would?
| 301 |
Jack Burton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:02:43pm |
re: #291 yochanan
the yiddish doesn’t want to go in correctly gets garbled
I think certain characters in right-to-left alphabets don’t play nice with browsers, or maybe the server. They get converted to a XHTML unicode number and that totally breaks the right-to-left order of it, so not only is it garbled but partially backwards.
Every time I try to put in some smartass comment in Arabic or Hebrew, it does it to me to.
| 302 |
yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:03:09pm |
re: #287 calcajun
i will have to go out to Nevada and apologize to all the working girls because i compared them to d.c. pols.
| 304 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:03:33pm |
re: #285 Ojoe
Here is a current view of the sun from a satellite:
SOHO Extreme ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (EIT) full-field He II 304 Å images from NASA Goddard Space Flight Center [ 2009/07/12 01:19:34 ]I believe the imaging satellite is parked at a lagrange point & never goes into the earth’s shadow.
Nice picture. I don’t think one in the right polar orbit does either, but why quibble? In a week I’ll be far enough north that I won’t either, and I’m not in orbit, yet. By this afternoon I might feel like it though. :=)
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legalpad Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:04:00pm |
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:05:10pm |
re: #261 OldLineTexan
re: #262 calcajun
I had a great time as did the Scouts. I went in 2004. Didn’t see the plane wreck, but our our track took us up the back side of Tooth of Time, to the peak of (I can’t remember the name. Crap).
We did about 90 miles over the 10 days.
Strangely, no real rain or thunder storms. That was the thing they told us to be well aware of.
While we used bear precautions throughout the trip the only time we saw one was on the last day as we headed back to the trailhead to catch the bus.
It was a great trip. Just writing about it brings up great memories. Getting up for a 0300 whizz and looking up at the stars… kind of like the Total Perspective Vortex in Hithchikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Look at the stars from outside the light and smoke of a city… we are not worthy.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:05:44pm |
re: #293 freetoken
Wow. I think Cocco’s column is right on the mark.
“Spooning gruel to the base,” indeed. That’s an image that’s going to stick with me until these hearings are over.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:06:18pm |
ST LOUIS — Where did it land? Was it a strike or wasn’t it? Why didn’t the network choose a better camera to shoot from? Those were the questions that viewers of baseball’s All-Star Game were asking themselves at home after Fox elected to show President Barack Obama’s ceremonial first pitch at the 80th All-Star Game from a tight angle.
Obama is on the phone right now to Hillary, trying to find out who edited the post-9/11 bash to make the booing crowd “cheer”. ; )
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:06:46pm |
re: #308 ShanghaiEd
Wow. I think Cocco’s column is right on the mark.
“Spooning gruel to the base,” indeed. That’s an image that’s going to stick with me until these hearings are over.
Make sure it’s seared into your memory like Christmas in Cambodia.
Gloating and projection look to be the Dem’s principal achievements while in power. Enjoy!
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:07:13pm |
re: #310 Iron Fist
So in your world the Bill of Rights doesn’t restrict anything until the Supreme Court rules it does. Tell me, which Supreme Court decision outlaws chattle slavery in the United States? I’m curious.
It does get a wee bit worrisome, doesn’t it?
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:07:26pm |
re: #300 capitalist piglet
Do you know what he actually said? Whatever it was, it wasn’t enough to disqualify him from the Senate. Of course, with Byrd there, what would?
Excellent question. I’ll see if I can find out what he said and, if so, be back with a link.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:07:47pm |
Any Shuttle and weather experts here tonight. I am thinking of taking a drive tomorrow afternoon to see the launch. It has been delayed like 6 times(maybe more). They say that there is a 70% chance of a take off tomorrow. Any guesses if it will go or not?
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:08:07pm |
Obama Birther Soldier is a FreeRepublic Poster [Link: washingtonindependent.com…] Color me unsurprised.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:08:16pm |
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Chekote Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:08:30pm |
The problem is that the GOP broadcasts its objections to nominations weeks before the hearings. They made such a stink about the “wise Latina” remark before the hearings, that it allowed her to be prepared. If they are interested in stopping a nomination, they need to sandbag the nominee.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:08:44pm |
re: #315 Erik The Red
Any Shuttle and weather experts here tonight. I am thinking of taking a drive tomorrow afternoon to see the launch. It has been delayed like 6 times(maybe more). They say that there is a 70% chance of a take off tomorrow. Any guesses if it will go or not?
It’s worth the chance, IMO. I would like to see one.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:08:57pm |
re: #296 yochanan
frankly i would call all of them that all of d.c. for that matter
But, you didn’t. You called a woman a “whore” for no other reason than you disagree with her politics.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:09:19pm |
Or, maybe I’m missing some kind of nuance.
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:09:33pm |
re: #320 MandyManners
baloney not falling for the p.c. crap.
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:09:56pm |
re: #312 OldLineTexan
Make sure it’s seared into your memory like Christmas in Cambodia.!
Will there be hats?
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:10:09pm |
re: #318 Chekote
The problem is that the GOP broadcasts its objections to nominations weeks before the hearings. They made such a stink about the “wise Latina” remark before the hearings, that it allowed her to be prepared. If they are interested in stopping a nomination, they need to sandbag the nominee.
Which is a great clue that this is a show, they know it’s a show, and we know it’s a show. But out there, somewhere, is a “base” lapping up “gruel”.
Probably in flyover country.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:10:34pm |
re: #310 Iron Fist
So in your world the Bill of Rights doesn’t restrict anything until the Supreme Court rules it does. Tell me, which Supreme Court decision outlaws chattle slavery in the United States? I’m curious.
Part of the problem (in my oh so arrogant uninformed opinion) is that at the time the Constitution was written no one would have imagined the absurd level of word parsing that it going on now.
Gramsci - need I say more?
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:10:46pm |
re: #323 jaunte
Will there be hats?
Medals will fall from the sky like cheap hard candy from a pinata’s splintered ass.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:10:58pm |
re: #316 MrPaulRevere
Obama Birther Soldier is a FreeRepublic Poster [Link: washingtonindependent.com…] Color me unsurprised.
Bug eyed, anti-American douche bags, tilting at windmills. I have nothing but scorn and disdain for those assholes.
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:11:04pm |
re: #310 Iron Fist
So in your world the Bill of Rights doesn’t restrict anything until the Supreme Court rules it does. Tell me, which Supreme Court decision outlaws chattle slavery in the United States? I’m curious.
Look, Google Heller and it’s effect on state gun laws, and stop shooting at the messenger, it is what it is.
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:11:19pm |
dissing politicians is my right as a American.
and calling them whores go back to mark twain amoung others.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:11:19pm |
re: #312 OldLineTexan
Make sure it’s seared into your memory like Christmas in Cambodia.
Gloating and projection look to be the Dem’s principal achievements while in power. Enjoy!
I honestly don’t understand what you’re saying, OLT. I wasn’t talking about the Democrats at all. I’m talking about the behavior of the GOP in the hearings. Where do “gloating and projection” come in to what I was saying?
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:11:37pm |
re: #318 Chekote
The problem is that the GOP broadcasts its objections to nominations weeks before the hearings. They made such a stink about the “wise Latina” remark before the hearings, that it allowed her to be prepared. If they are interested in stopping a nomination, they need to sandbag the nominee.
I don’t know. They’re powerless to stop anything, really…all they can do is get their objections, questions, and vote into the record, which is part of what they’re supposed to do, right?
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freetoken Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:11:39pm |
re: #303 Sharmuta
Answering with “evolution” would have been priceless.
Well, Graham is a mixed bag, in more than one way. He is vilified by quite a few groups, accused of not being conservative enough, of being too conservative, of not loving Ron Paul (remember Charles had a post on this), and so on.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:11:49pm |
re: #305 legalpad
Is he a monkey or a robot?
A curious amalgamation of both.
That’s sociopathology for you!
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:12:23pm |
re: #306 taxfreekiller
austin blue
What’s up with the Austin moon bat corps, gone cheap ass’s or conserveative down in Austin?
[Link: www.statesman.com…]
Gabby Johnson! How are you tonight?
She Who Must Be Obeyed and myself got signed up in 2000 for the Green Choice program. We are paying significantly less for our electricity than the rest of the customers in town who didn’t take advantage of the program. It appears that the biggest problem right now is that the transmission system from the west Texas wind farms to the eastern half of the State is lacking, but the Leg in the last session laid in several tons of money for the infrastructure to get the towers put up. It’s a temporary glitch, but I agree that the most recent offering is going to have to be pulled.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:12:37pm |
re: #12 avanti
I was scratching my head on that one. I had no idea what he was fishing for. Maybe that the courts forced change by allowing abortion, and banning school prayer ? Had he have gone there, she could have mentioned school integration.
I think he was fishing for a statement that resembled something along the lines of “activist judge.”
I’ve always thought that was an unfair and slimy term.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:12:50pm |
This is painful to watch. Was it this bad for previous SC nominee hearings?
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:13:29pm |
re: #298 NJDhockeyfan
Have y’all seen President Zero’s new ‘Green Czar’, Anthony “Van” Jones ?
Obama’s latest “In Your Face”: “Green Czar” admits he’s a Communist with arrest record
I need a link for those quotes, this is all I found from the East Bay Express paper cited:
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:13:29pm |
re: #328 Killgore Trout
Bug eyed, anti-American douche bags, tilting at windmills. I have nothing but scorn and disdain for those assholes.
Freepers suck ass.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:13:32pm |
re: #332 ShanghaiEd
I honestly don’t understand what you’re saying, OLT. I wasn’t talking about the Democrats at all. I’m talking about the behavior of the GOP in the hearings. Where do “gloating and projection” come in to what I was saying?
Did you read the words in the column you quoted?
Did you see any of the confirmation hearings for Bush appointees?
If you really don’t get it, never mind.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:13:33pm |
re: #288 Floral Giraffe
Hi HH!
Did you know that when you eat a lot, you stretch your stomach & it can hold more the next time? Supposed to work in reverse, too. Or, so I’ve been told!Very fine here!
My connection is so bad tonight if I don’t keep doing something I disconnect…Seriously…I ate so much I thought I could go weeks without ever eating again…It was so funny…Really lizards…How can you really wake up hungry from that? I had 40 days and nights in me easy and was starving…LOL
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Lincolntf Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:14:09pm |
re: #338 Racer X
If they start talking about Pepsi and pubes, you’ll know we’ve hit bottom.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:14:38pm |
re: #310 Iron Fist
THERE YOU ARE!
Do you have a link to a solid analysis of Sotomayor’s opinion in Maloney v. Cuomo?
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:15:13pm |
re: #336 austin_blue
Gen-u-wine frontier gibberish.
Kidding.
I read about the Green problems Austin is having. Can’t sell it for it’s worth, can’t give it away…
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:15:19pm |
re: #315 Erik The Red
Erik..I keep dropping when I reply to you…I’m checking the tiks!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:15:42pm |
“The Quixotes of this Age fight with the Wind-mills of their owne Heads.”
- John Cleveland
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:15:49pm |
re: #338 Racer X
This is painful to watch. Was it this bad for previous SC nominee hearings?
[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com…]
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:16:51pm |
re: #346 buzzsawmonkey
I guess you missed the Bork and Thomas confirmation hearings.
Hell, the hearings for G. Harrold Carswell (rejected) during the Nixon years were pretty much a circus too.
Now I’m wondering what questions I would ask her.
(knowing full well she will be confirmed)
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Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:17:28pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:17:38pm |
re: #317 Van Helsing
Very good point. I’ll keep it in mind.
Can i just call them fellators?
Call me “crazy” but, I tend not to assign sexual terms to folks with whom I disagree.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:17:47pm |
re: #349 HoosierHoops
Erik..I keep dropping when I reply to you…I’m checking the tiks!
Thanks 2H. I will blue my nic for you.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:17:48pm |
re: #334 freetoken
Well, Graham is a mixed bag, in more than one way. He is vilified by quite a few groups, accused of not being conservative enough, of being too conservative, of not loving Ron Paul (remember Charles had a post on this), and so on.
Correct, he has been labelled a “RINO” as well.
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Chekote Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:18:02pm |
re: #324 OldLineTexan
Why is the GOP spending so much time playing to the base? Shouldn’t they be retooling their message, agenda so that they can build a national party? Or are they betting on Obama’s failure? I just don’t understand what the GOP is doing anymore…
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:18:35pm |
re: #338 Racer X
This is painful to watch. Was it this bad for previous SC nominee hearings?
I think the Democrats were complete assholes to Roberts and Alito, so I guess it depends on what you mean by “this bad”.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:18:37pm |
re: #322 yochanan
baloney not falling for the p.c. crap.
Oh, I give up. I know when and where to expend my intellectual capital.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:18:53pm |
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Ojoe Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:19:02pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:19:15pm |
re: #326 buzzsawmonkey
I never would have figured you for hanging out with nuancy boys.
I’m quite dense right now, buzz. Sorry.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:19:27pm |
re: #338 Racer X
This is painful to watch. Was it this bad for previous SC nominee hearings?
Always, nomination hearings are about bloviating blowhards showing their constituents how smart and worthwhile they are to be re-elected.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:20:13pm |
re: #356 buzzsawmonkey
BTW, Carswell—rejected for being a complete mediocrity—was later caught en flagrante in an act of passion in a Florida men’s room.
WTF?
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Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:20:30pm |
re: #334 freetoken
Well, Graham is a mixed bag, in more than one way. He is vilified by quite a few groups, accused of not being conservative enough, of being too conservative, of not loving Ron Paul (remember Charles had a post on this), and so on.
That’s why having a solid foundation matters. IMO, he doesn’t know the proper role of government. He may still reach the same conclusions as I in other matters, but this piece alone makes me leery of him.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:20:58pm |
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:20:58pm |
re: #360 Chekote
Why is the GOP spending so much time playing to the base? Shouldn’t they be retooling their message, agenda so that they can build a national party? Or are they betting on Obama’s failure? I just don’t understand what the GOP is doing anymore…
As guaranteed losers in this affair (who KNOW it could be much worse), they don’t know what to do, so they are putting on a show.
It’s like the Little Rascals without the whimsical poverty and racism.
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:21:01pm |
re: #357 MandyManners
Call me “crazy” but, I tend not to assign sexual terms to folks with whom I disagree.
Wouldn’t do that ma’am.
I just settle for calling them recto-encephalids.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:21:50pm |
Fox goes birther(video)
Just when you thought Fox couldn’t get any lower, they trot out the latest birther nonsense in order to make the claim that “dozens of legal challenges to the President’s nationality” are a “persistent problem” for the Obama administration:
Disgraceful.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:21:50pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:22:12pm |
re: #373 Van Helsing
Wouldn’t do that ma’am.
I just settle for calling them recto-encephalids.
Or, assholes.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:22:12pm |
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3 wood Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:22:20pm |
Good evening.
The markets were up slightly today cause of some bargain hunting.
House Democrats unveil sweeping health reform bill
House Democrats unveiled a sweeping health-care overhaul bill on Tuesday that aims to lower costs, cover the uninsured and force employers to offer coverage, saying they plan to pass the historic legislation before their August recess.The bill would tax wealthy Americans to help pay for an overhaul, putting a graduated surcharge on those making more than $350,000 a year. For families earning between $350,000 and $500,000, the tax would be 1%; for those making $500,000 to $1 million the tax would be 1.5%. The tax, or surcharge as it is being referred to in the bill, would only apply to the amount of income exceeding $350,000 or the agreed-upon threshold.
I could tell them that this tax will reduce revenues and increase unemployment, but they would not listen to the likes of me. They will have to find it out the hard way.
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Lincolntf Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:22:30pm |
American League wins 4-3. Which means the Red Sox will have home field advantage for the World Series. Sweet.
(Hi, Yankee fans.)
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:23:33pm |
Sharmuta I jumped to the chapter in Sowell’s book that deals with justice; its the best yet, IMO. He takes the social engineers to the woodshed, its great reading.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:24:08pm |
re: #355 taxfreekiller
why do I have to pay for you bunch of loons electricity via the state ledg.
read the whole thing, the f’n wind mills cost to much to build, to operate and are not efficient…
it is just stupid ass earth first bull shit
“glitch” is the Democrat party only original thought
You don’t have to. You can leave Texas, or the US. It was the Republican Leg and Senate that passed the bill and the Republican Guv that signed it. It’s called representative democracy. Love it or leave it.
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:24:18pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:24:41pm |
re: #374 buzzsawmonkey
‘Strewth.
Don’t go all Shakespearean on me!
(True. It’s been a long fucking week so far and it won’t get shorter no matter how many hours pass.)
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:24:58pm |
Every time Lindsey Graham shows his face to the nation, the Republican party gets weaker. He should go away. And take Johnny Arizona with him.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:25:00pm |
re: #341 OldLineTexan
Did you read the words in the column you quoted?
Did you see any of the confirmation hearings for Bush appointees?
If you really don’t get it, never mind.
I did read the column, twice. I didn’t see any mention in it of the confirmation hearings for Bush appointees. What part of Cocco’s argument do you disagree with, and how is President Bush relevant?
I really don’t get it, but I’d like to.
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solomonpanting Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:25:04pm |
re: #356 buzzsawmonkey
BTW, Carswell—rejected for being a complete mediocrity—was later caught en flagrante in an act of passion in a Florida men’s room.
some claim him as the first homosexual or bisexual nominated to the Supreme Court.
Perhaps we can name a street or a restroom after him.
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yochanan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:25:24pm |
re: #382 Lincolntf
American League wins 4-3. Which means the WHITE Sox will have home field advantage for the World Series. Sweet.
(Hi, Yankee fans.)
FTFY
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Chekote Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:25:45pm |
re: #372 OldLineTexan
I don’t know how it could be WORSE. The GOP has lost everything. Everything. In DC, they can only stand by and watch Obama and the Dems do whatever they want.
They really fanned the flames with Sotomayor. The pro-lifers are going to be very upset when they vote for her. This is what I don’t get. They get the base riled up and then vote against their wishes. How is this smart politics?!
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:25:51pm |
re: #358 Erik The Red
Thanks 2H. I will blue my nic for you.
Erik..I just got dropped again…I am now running a 28.8kb connection…
My broadband has died..It’s really funny when you think about it.
I drop every 5 minutes…It’s like karma from 10 years ago just flew in first class…LOL
This won’t post…everything drops…
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:25:54pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:27:30pm |
re: #377 buzzsawmonkey
It’s OK—I figure if you’re dense enough, it means you’re fissionable material.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:28:22pm |
re: #388 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Every time Lindsey Graham shows his face to the nation, the Republican party gets weaker. He should go away. And take Johnny Arizona with him.
TTThhhpppttt.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:28:23pm |
re: #389 ShanghaiEd
I did read the column, twice. I didn’t see any mention in it of the confirmation hearings for Bush appointees. What part of Cocco’s argument do you disagree with, and how is President Bush relevant?
I really don’t get it, but I’d like to.
I can’t help you. The column was laden with derogatory language and tone. The unbelievable part was the apparent belief that any of this was new behavior. And if none of that is clear to you, then we have absolutely no basis for a discussion and can just go our merry ways.
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:28:23pm |
Echoes from 2005; John Roberts Senate Judiciary Committee hearing:
“This hearing is the only chance that ‘We the People’ have to hear from and reflect on the suitability of the nominee to be a final arbiter of the meaning of the Constitution,” Sen. Patrick Leahy, the committee’s ranking Democrat said. “Open and honest public conversation with the nominee in these hearing rooms is an important part of this process.”
…And Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said Roberts must answer questions about his judicial ideology.
“To me the pivotal question, which will determine my vote is this: Are you within the mainstream — albeit the conservative mainstream — or are you an ideologue who will seek to use the court to impose your views upon us?” Schumer said.
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:29:35pm |
re: #393 Chekote
I don’t know how it could be WORSE. The GOP has lost everything. Everything. In DC, they can only stand by and watch Obama and the Dems do whatever they want.
They really fanned the flames with Sotomayor. The pro-lifers are going to be very upset when they vote for her. This is what I don’t get. They get the base riled up and then vote against their wishes. How is this smart politics?!
Heh, You said “GOP” and then you said “smart politics”. In 2009. ROTFLMAO.
/
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Jack Burton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:29:45pm |
re: #375 Killgore Trout
Fox goes birther(video)
Disgraceful.
The KOSsaks just now noticed that there are kooks on FOX? You’d think the people who have been refering to it as FAUX News for almost a decade would have picked up on this earlier. Have they just now become slightly lucid from putting the bong down after their Jan 20 party?
They cant even get the terminology right either.
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3 wood Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:29:49pm |
Slow recovery projected:
US to See Slow Recovery; Inflation a Threat: Hoenig
“I judge the economy at or near the bottom of the cycle,” Thomas Hoenig, president of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank, told Reuters in an interview.“I am not suggesting a V-shaped cycle,” he said, referring to a quick bounce back. “I think…it will be a very slow recovery, given the seriousness of the problems in the financial industry and the slowness with which the capital in those institutions will be rebuilt,” he said.
Hoenig, one of the U.S. central bank policy-makers who tends to be more hawkish on inflation, said U.S. economic growth would probably remain beneath its so-called long-term potential next year, and only return to this healthy level in 2011.
But even with plenty of slack in the economy, he said inflation must not be ignored or it could become a problem in four or five years’ time.
“There are two things we can do wrong. One is pull it out too soon, the other is pull it out too late,” he said, referring to the Fed’s policy measures designed to stimulate the eco
nomy. Hoenig will have a voting seat on the Fed’s policy panel next year.
No, you certainly don’t want to pull it out too late.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:29:57pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
Blue your name and I will shoot you an email.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:30:24pm |
re: #399 jaunte
Echoes from 2005; John Roberts Senate Judiciary Committee hearing:
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
Calling Schumer the asshole he is makes Leahy some sort of undefined taint region.
/
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freetoken Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:30:35pm |
re: #370 Sharmuta
IMO, he doesn’t know the proper role of government. He may still reach the same conclusions as I in other matters, but this piece alone makes me leery of him.
Graham has struck me as someone who knows his own role well enough to realize that he has to sound good to his base in his own home-state, but also that he desires more (like his friend John McCain) and has to play to other crowds too.
This is the life of the politician - getting disparate groups to vote for you.
I don’t look on that as something necessarily bad, though in Graham’s case he looks clumsy when he tries to be all things to all people.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:31:48pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:32:03pm |
POTUS at the All Star Game: No Bailout for the National League? “No, We’re Out of Money”
…It was pointed out to the president that the National League hasn’t won the All Star Game since 1996 when he was starting his political career.
“This is a problem,” the president said, asking Buck and McCarver, “what’s your best theory on this?” Three or four years’ worth of losing is one thing, you can say it’s “just happenstance,” but this was something else. McCarver cited the American League’s designated hitter rule.
“So there’s no bailout plan for the National League?” one of the sportscasters asked, laughing.
“No,” said the president, “we’re out of money.”
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:32:35pm |
re: #401 ArchangelMichael
They’ve been railing against Fox for years. Only over the past six months or so have they been right in doing so.
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:32:35pm |
re: #402 3 wood
“There are two things we can do wrong. One is pull it out too soon, the other is pull it out too late,” he said, referring to the Fed’s policy measures designed to stimulate the economy.
I take it that Hoenig’s recommended solution is to pull it out juuust right. Genius!
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:32:53pm |
re: #404 OldLineTexan
Calling Schumer the asshole he is makes Leahy some sort of undefined taint region.
/
Leahy is the suppurating hemorrhoid…
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:33:54pm |
Time Marches On
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:33:54pm |
re: #404 OldLineTexan
Looks like it was the same show back then, too.
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:34:07pm |
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:35:02pm |
re: #406 buzzsawmonkey
Pull out too late, and nobody gets pearl necklaces.
Bad buzzsawmonkey!!!
No biscuit for you!
I wonder if the recovery would have worked better if they’d just let the taxpayers keep their money.
Hmmm…
Probably not. When has THAT ever worked? (1983)
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:35:27pm |
re: #403 Erik The Red
Blue your name and I will shoot you an email.
You bet…Ping my blackberry Tonight and I’ll reply..I’ve dropped a few more times..I am so pissed off.. Ping my blackberry..My ISP is so fired
| 419 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:36:16pm |
Travel agents offer sunshine insurance
PARIS (Reuters) – Sun-seekers whose holidays are spoiled by bad weather could be reimbursed after French travel agencies launched insurance cover for unwanted interruptions to the sunshine.
The insurance policy, launched by holiday groups Pierre et Vacances and FranceLoc, will allow holiday-makers to claim back part of the cost of their trip if they suffer at least four days of rain in any one week.
“Aon France allows Pierre & Vacances to propose its clients with automatic reimbursement for part of their stay…if weather conditions don’t meet expectations,” the holiday group said in a statement.
Aon France will use satellite photos obtained by the French weather bureau to calculate how much money subcribers should receive.
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FrogMarch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:37:28pm |
Graham makes me groan. But then, no one can top Teddy Kennedie’s rancid over-the-top rhetoric during Bork.
As for Sotomayer - I’m not impressed with her. She kept saying her ‘rhetorical flourishes fell flat’ . terrible.
and then there’s this
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dominic yeso Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:38:34pm |
constitutional amendments -
1. Congress can meet up to 90 days maximum in any given year.
2. The federal government shall spend no more than 17% of the previous year’s GDP in any given following year.
3. All federal laws are required to expire no later than 6 years from day of becoming law.
4. Congress shall have no perks, pensions, etc.
5. Supreme court members shall be appointed by the states, one from each of 11 regions of the country.
6. Representatives and Senators may serve a maximum of 2 terms in any one branch of the legislature.
he he .. that would neuter the hell out of them.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:38:57pm |
re: #416 avanti
Thanks, looks like he went through a radical left stage and rejected it to go mainstream. No question that he’s still a leftie though.
Ya think? He’s a communist, of course he’s still a leftie.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:39:14pm |
re: #406 buzzsawmonkey
Pull out too late, and nobody gets pearl necklaces.
I am reasonably sure that isn’t one of your obscure literary references.
(Who are you, and what have you done with buzzsawmonkey?)
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3 wood Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:39:23pm |
California continues to crash and burn:
California’s Bond Credit Rating Slashed by Moody’s
California’s credit rating, the lowest of all U.S. states, was cut for the second time in as many weeks amid lawmakers’ failure to close a $26 billion deficit that left the most-populous state issuing IOUs to creditors.
Moody’s Investors Service said it lowered California’s credit rating two steps to Baa1 from A2 and said it could be reduced further if legislators don’t quickly address the state’s cash problem. The new grade is three levels above non-investment grade. Fitch Investors on July 6 lowered its evaluation of California’s general obligation bonds by two steps to BBB from A-, placing the debt two ranks above so-called high-yield, high- risk junk ratings.
In my previous career I dealt with Moody’s, Fitch and S&P many times. Over the years I gave many a credit worthiness presentation, even going to New York to give them at times. So I know a little bit about the dynamics of this situation.
What the credit agencies are doing is putting a cocked, loaded gun to the head of California and are slowly squeezing the trigger. As it is, few self-respecting fund managers would be caught dead with California debt in their portfolio’s as it is. If they get dropped below investment grade it is “show over”, turn out the lights.
Part of the credit evaluation is an assessment of the quality of the financial management of the entity. Right now California has to be getting a zero on that score.
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solomonpanting Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:39:32pm |
Senator Obama’s statement on the nomination of Samuel Alito, 2006:
“The Judicial Branch of our government is a place where any American citizen can stand equal before the eyes of the law. Yet, in examining Judge Alito’s many decisions, I have seen extraordinarily consistent support for the powerful against the powerless, for the employer against the employee, for the President against the Congress and the Judiciary, and for an overreaching federal government against individual rights and liberties.”
Apparently, he wishes to preserve that privilege and distinction for his administration.
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3 wood Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:40:48pm |
re: #406 buzzsawmonkey
It was a medium speed fastball sitting there over the heart of the plate. I could not pass it up.
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Chekote Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:41:16pm |
re: #400 OldLineTexan
You are right. I need more wine. BBL (I hope I am using it the right way)
| 431 |
Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:41:38pm |
re: #418 HoosierHoops
You bet…Ping my blackberry Tonight and I’ll reply..I’ve dropped a few more times..I am so pissed off.. Ping my blackberry..My ISP is so fired
Done.
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FrogMarch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:42:32pm |
bad review from the AP?
“I was using a rhetorical flourish that fell flat,” she averred.
*groan* Did Obama school her, or what?
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:43:16pm |
re: #429 3 wood
It was a medium speed fastball sitting there over the heart of the plate. I could not pass it up.
That’s even better than a hangin’ curve!
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:43:35pm |
re: #424 NJDhockeyfan
Ya think? He’s a communist, of course he’s still a leftie.
He took great pains to explain he bought into the Commie thing years ago in prison and rejected it. It’s nothing we can prove at any rate, but I was once a Republican.:)
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:45:16pm |
re: #398 OldLineTexan
I can’t help you. The column was laden with derogatory language and tone. The unbelievable part was the apparent belief that any of this was new behavior. And if none of that is clear to you, then we have absolutely no basis for a discussion and can just go our merry ways.
Derogatory language and tone, yes. It’s an opinion column by a pundit. I don’t know of a pundit anywhere that’s not derogatory. Do you?
And nobody said it was new behavior. Is there any such thing as “new behavior”? It’s a short commentary, not a historical tome.
Does every criticism of one party have to be matched, on the spot, with an equal criticism of the other? I’d hate to think we’ve become that politically correct. Sounds to me too much like a “Fairness Doctrine” for comfort.
Thanks for the reply, though. I always enjoy talking with you. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this particular one.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:45:20pm |
re: #434 avanti
He took great pains to explain he bought into the Commie thing years ago in prison and rejected it. It’s nothing we can prove at any rate, but I was once a Republican.:)
That’s it, Comrade. You’re out of the Politburo meeting tonight!
:)
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:45:31pm |
re: #426 3 wood
“Right now California has to be getting a zero on that score.”
And deserves every bit of that zero! With no end in sight, it’s criminal what our elected officials are doing. Not to mention the strength of the public employee unions.
*spit*
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3 wood Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:45:34pm |
Now the Chinese know how to deal with financial chicanery:
Former Sinopec Chairman Gets Suspended Death Sentence
July 15 (Bloomberg) — Chen Tonghai, a former chairman of China Petroleum & Chemical Corp., the nation’s second-biggest refiner also known as Sinopec, has been given a suspended death penalty for bribery, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.Chen was given the death sentence with a two-year reprieve by a court in Beijing today, Xinhua said.
What that means is, if he so much as sneezes loudly, blammo.
Harsh, but effective.
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:45:47pm |
re: #434 avanti
He took great pains to explain he bought into the Commie thing years ago in prison and rejected it. It’s nothing we can prove at any rate, but I was once a Republican.:)
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
Spread the wealth.
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zombie Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:46:20pm |
You know that carnival game where you slam a big hammer down on a lever to send a weight up to ring a bell?
Well, I just heard a “DING!”
Because the White House has stepped in to staunch the bleeding in the Holdren controversy.
No kidding.
According to the Washington Times (yes, I know they’re a Moonie-owned newspaper, but it looks like they’ve done their homework this time):
When asked whether Mr. Holdren’s thoughts on population control have changed over the years, his staff gave The Washington Times a statement that said, “This material is from a three-decade-old, three-author college textbook. Dr. Holdren addressed this issue during his confirmation when he said he does not believe that determining optimal population is a proper role of government. Dr. Holdren is not and never has been an advocate for policies of forced sterilization.”…
The White House also passed along a statement from the Ehrlichs that said, in part, “anybody who actually wants to know what we and/or Professor Holdren believe and recommend about these matters would presumably read some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times, rather than going back a third of a century to find some formulations in an encyclopedic textbook where description can be misrepresented as endorsement.”
I guess this merits an update to my report! Does this count as the public disavowal I was asking for?
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:46:59pm |
re: #435 ShanghaiEd
Derogatory language and tone, yes. It’s an opinion column by a pundit. I don’t know of a pundit anywhere that’s not derogatory. Do you?
I’ve read more than a few.
See you on down the road.
| 442 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:47:02pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:48:08pm |
re: #426 3 wood
California continues to crash and burn:
California’s Bond Credit Rating Slashed by Moody’s
In my previous career I dealt with Moody’s, Fitch and S&P many times. Over the years I gave many a credit worthiness presentation, even going to New York to give them at times. So I know a little bit about the dynamics of this situation.What the credit agencies are doing is putting a cocked, loaded gun to the head of California and are slowly squeezing the trigger. As it is, few self-respecting fund managers would be caught dead with California debt in their portfolio’s as it is. If they get dropped below investment grade it is “show over”, turn out the lights.
Part of the credit evaluation is an assessment of the quality of the financial management of the entity. Right now California has to be getting a zero on that score.
Is there a way California can simply be declared insolvent?
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:48:34pm |
re: #440 zombie
“…some formulations in an encyclopedic textbook where description can be misrepresented as endorsement.”
“These are not the formulations you think they are.”
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:48:34pm |
re: #440 zombie
You know that carnival game where you slam a big hammer down on a lever to send a weight up to ring a bell?
Well, I just heard a “DING!”
Because the White House has stepped in to staunch the bleeding in the Holdren controversy.
No kidding.
According to the Washington Times (yes, I know they’re a Moonie-owned newspaper, but it looks like they’ve done their homework this time):
I guess this merits an update to my report! Does this count as the public disavowal I was asking for?
Well, you sure made ‘em dance!
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FrogMarch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:50:01pm |
re: #442 Racer X
Sotomayor definitely went to Obama school.
“Ignore what I said and did, only pay attention to what I’m saying now”.
Indeed. If there’s a (D) behind the name - no problem. Flush it all down the memory hole.
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zombie Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:50:12pm |
Now, if I could just get the traffic to zombietime to slow down, I might be able to actually log in and make an update! Sheesh. Why does everything have to be so hard?
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:50:13pm |
re: #434 avanti
He took great pains to explain he bought into the Commie thing years ago in prison and rejected it. It’s nothing we can prove at any rate, but I was once a Republican.:)
I hate commies.
And I REALLY hate Illinois Nazis…
CRBBHO seems to be filling both those roles.
| 450 |
ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:50:16pm |
re: #356 buzzsawmonkey
BTW, Carswell—rejected for being a complete mediocrity—was later caught en flagrante in an act of passion in a Florida men’s room.
buzz: Talk about a blast from the past. I had forgotten that Carswell’s hearing was the source of one of the most infamous confirmation-hearing moments, when a Nebraska senator who was supporting him said:
“Even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance?”
Ouch.
| 451 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:50:50pm |
re: #446 Iron Fist
Shit, if his people really had all the power they want, he’d be on his way to Siberia for that admision of failure of Party loyalty.
hey, iron fist! Don’t know if I said this before, but congrats on your engagement!
| 452 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:51:01pm |
re: #298 NJDhockeyfan
That article has zero linked sources.
I’m not an Obama fan but I’m not overtaken by ODS either.
You can seriously do better than that.
| 453 |
3 wood Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:51:06pm |
re: #437 Floral Giraffe
And deserves every bit of that zero! With no end in sight, it’s criminal what our elected officials are doing. Not to mention the strength of the public employee unions.
*spit*
It’s like a bunch of doctors arguing over what color gloves to put on all the while the patient is bleeding to death.
| 454 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:51:29pm |
Good evening y’all - hope everyone is doing well!
What are we all talking about?
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jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:51:38pm |
re: #449 Van Helsing
I hate commies.
And I REALLY hate Illinois Nazis…CRBBHO seems to be filling both those roles.
Cool, let’s get a ‘74 Dodge Monaco and go on a road trip!
| 456 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:51:48pm |
re: #440 zombie
You know that carnival game where you slam a big hammer down on a lever to send a weight up to ring a bell?
Well, I just heard a “DING!”
Because the White House has stepped in to staunch the bleeding in the Holdren controversy.
No kidding.
According to the Washington Times (yes, I know they’re a Moonie-owned newspaper, but it looks like they’ve done their homework this time):
I guess this merits an update to my report! Does this count as the public disavowal I was asking for?
No, it isn’t. Disavowal means saying “I don’t believe that anymore.” What you is what Ben Bradlee called a “‘non-denial’ denial”. Keep pushing Zombie, until they specifically take the statments back. Ignore the talking points.
| 457 |
jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:51:53pm |
re: #454 realwest
Good evening y’all - hope everyone is doing well!
What are we all talking about?
RW!
Good to see ya!
| 458 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:52:24pm |
re: #440 zombie
You know that carnival game where you slam a big hammer down on a lever to send a weight up to ring a bell?
Well, I just heard a “DING!”
Because the White House has stepped in to staunch the bleeding in the Holdren controversy.
No kidding.
According to the Washington Times (yes, I know they’re a Moonie-owned newspaper, but it looks like they’ve done their homework this time):
I guess this merits an update to my report! Does this count as the public disavowal I was asking for?
More importantly, how old was Barack Obama when Holdren wrote the book? /
Good work, zombie. (And the left-wing blogs - discussed this morning - that are supposedly ridiculing the content of your piece can go screw themselves.)
| 459 |
3 wood Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:52:26pm |
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
Is there a way California can simply be declared insolvent?
They technically are now. They gave out IOU’s to cover debt obligations. Now they are just arguing over the remains of the corpse.
| 460 |
Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:53:04pm |
re: #440 zombie
So textbooks are full-o-poo unless they support the authors later?
Heh.
I love it when the written word turns and bites the authors on the butt.
| 461 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:53:06pm |
re: #452 Conservative Moonbat
That article has zero linked sources.
I’m not an Obama fan but I’m not overtaken by ODS either.
You can seriously do better than that.
What link are you looking for?
| 463 |
Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:53:52pm |
re: #454 realwest
Good evening y’all - hope everyone is doing well!
What are we all talking about?
Good evening/night rw. Almost midnight here and about to go and toss and turn for the night.
| 464 |
Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:54:29pm |
re: #455 jcm
Cool, let’s get a ‘74 Dodge Monaco and go on a road trip!
Let’s update it a bit and get crown vic. More legroom in the back seat (or so I’ve heard).
| 465 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:54:47pm |
re: #448 zombie
Now, if I could just get the traffic to zombietime to slow down, I might be able to actually log in and make an update! Sheesh. Why does everything have to be so hard?
It’s probably worth taking a little time to ponder just how to mock this weak bit of dishonesty:
“…formulations in an encyclopedic textbook where description can be misrepresented as endorsement.”
| 466 |
FrogMarch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:54:58pm |
re: #442 Racer X
Sotomayor definitely went to Obama school.
“Ignore what I said and did, only pay attention to what I’m saying now”.
Lady Justice has a blindfold…
Sotomayor took hers off a long time ago. Sotomayer sees things through a prism of ethnicity and gender, not the law. Sotomayer sees things though a prism of “compassion” not the law. I’m not impressed.
| 467 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:55:14pm |
re: #457 jcm
Why thank you kindly jcm! Good to see you too! How are ya tonight? Hope y’all didn’t waste any time on listening to or watching the Sotomayor hearings today!
| 469 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:55:30pm |
Holy Crap!
Dude was seriously booed throwing out the first pitch!
And what’s with that throw? Was it over the plate? Waaay outside? How come we didn’t see the finish?
I forgot, results don’t matter; it’s only how you look.
| 470 |
ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:55:58pm |
re: #441 OldLineTexan
I’ve read more than a few.
See you on down the road.
It would be refreshing for me to read one, if you could steer me in his/her direction.
Take care, OLT.
| 471 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:55:59pm |
re: #467 realwest
Why thank you kindly jcm! Good to see you too! How are ya tonight? Hope y’all didn’t waste any time on listening to or watching the Sotomayor hearings today!
How are YOU?
| 472 |
MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:56:23pm |
re: #452 Conservative Moonbat
Would his Wikipedia entry work for you? Van Jones is damaged goods and has no place in government, IMO. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
| 473 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:56:29pm |
| 475 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:56:39pm |
re: #469 Racer X
Holy Crap!
Dude was seriously booed throwing out the first pitch!
And what’s with that throw? Was it over the plate? Waaay outside? How come we didn’t see the finish?
I forgot, results don’t matter; it’s only how you look.
It fell short of the plate. The article on Yahoo says so, anyway.
| 476 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:57:09pm |
re: #463 Erik The Red
Hi ETR! Uh, why are you gonna toss and turn for the night?
| 477 |
Lynn B. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:57:18pm |
Sorry. I’ve been dropping into this discussion all day without being able to participate actively. But here goes.
Graham is preaching here, sometimes offensively. He has never been, IMO, a leading intellect of the Republican party. But his point about Sotomayor’s temperament is consistent with the impression I’ve gotten from her consistently, and it’s dramatically enforced by some of the public remarks that are being harped on by those opposed to her nomination.
Sessions’ questions, I thought, were very focused and appropriate and they elicited very weak responses on her part. In fact, her performance today was pretty pathetic. And I would expect better from a nominee to the Supreme Court of the United States.
I don’t think Sotomayor is a racist. I’m satisfied that she simply believes that the life experience of minority women positions them to enjoy a level of wisdom that exceeds that of people who have not had that experience. That is what she said. She has in no way by that statement implied that she would not rule impartially due to racial bias but she probably did imply that she considers her own judgment to be superior to that of the other eight members of the Supreme Court. That, to me, is a problem. I think it may also be a problem for some of the other members of the Court, with whom she will have to work and interact on a regular basis if she’s confirmed.
I have no ideological dog in this fight. I’m probably in a distinct minority here in believing that the failure of Robert Bork’s confirmation was not only the right result but mandated, given his philosophy of the law, which was way outside the mainstream (Sotomayor’s acquiescence on the applicability of the Second Amendment to the rights of individuals as opposed to only militias is way to the “right” of Bork). And I still have hope, extremely slim though it may be, that this confirmation will fail as well, even if we get someone “worse,” because as a lawyer I recognize the damage that a lifetime appointment of someone like Sotomayor (or Bork) could potentially do to both the law and the institution.
| 478 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:57:44pm |
re: #474 Iron Fist
Thanks! I’m happy about it. We’ve been together four years. I love her very much, and she loves me very much.
I’m seriously delighted for you both. Congrats again!
| 479 |
MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:57:50pm |
re: #413 Iron Fist
I don’t have anything solid. I looked around, and a lot of people cite it (you can get a better search if you use “Maloney v. Cuomo, 554 F.3d 56” . It cuts out a lot of other superflous crap. But I can’t find a link to the decision. Findlaw.com doesn’t even have it. It is just too new to be in the standard repositories.
Sorry. That case is a weak case, anyway, although it does reveal how she would likely vote on any other Second Amendment case.
She still believes that the Second Amendment IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS NATION.
| 480 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:58:03pm |
Far Right Is Left Out at E.U.’s Assembly
All in all, it was not a great debut for Europe’s far right, whose arrival here failed to generate the anticipated pyrotechnics. Newly elected members from extremist parties found themselves marginalized, with no speaking slot when the Parliament elected Jerzy Buzek, a former Polish prime minister, as president.
They will have a chance to speak soon, but the B.N.P. and other far right parties will not control any of the assembly’s influential committees.
So despite their electoral successes, the crypto-fascists are still pretty weak. GOOD.
| 481 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:58:10pm |
re: #453 3 wood
Have you seen this link from the LA Times, on how to fix Ca.’s problem?
[Link: www.latimes.com…]
| 482 |
jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:58:29pm |
re: #464 Van Helsing
Let’s update it a bit and get crown vic. More legroom in the back seat (or so I’ve heard).
Police Interceptor package? Drop in a Banks dual turbo big block!
HOOO YYAAAHHH!
| 483 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:58:30pm |
re: #474 Iron Fist
Yes, congratulations! I enjoyed your story about fitting the 8 foot spear into the decor.
| 484 |
Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:58:34pm |
re: #468 Iron Fist
Yes he will. Just like all the others.
How ignorant/corrupt/vile does one have to be to get disqualified from cabinet or ‘czar’ appointment?
Hell, with my record maybe it won’t matter any more and I COULD run for office.
| 485 |
MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:58:40pm |
re: #413 Iron Fist
I don’t have anything solid. I looked around, and a lot of people cite it (you can get a better search if you use “Maloney v. Cuomo, 554 F.3d 56” . It cuts out a lot of other superflous crap. But I can’t find a link to the decision. Findlaw.com doesn’t even have it. It is just too new to be in the standard repositories.
Sorry. That case is a weak case, anyway, although it does reveal how she would likely vote on any other Second Amendment case.
| 487 |
solomonpanting Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:59:15pm |
re: #474 Iron Fist
Thanks! I’m happy about it. We’ve been together four years. I love her very much, and she loves me very much.
Don’t let that stop you…
…
…
Congratulations!
| 489 |
ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:59:30pm |
re: #448 zombie
Now, if I could just get the traffic to zombietime to slow down, I might be able to actually log in and make an update! Sheesh. Why does everything have to be so hard?
Wish I could sympathize, zombie, but too much blog traffic is a problem I never had. :)
Seriously, though, congrats on striking a nerve!
| 490 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:59:54pm |
re: #472 MrPaulRevere
Would his Wikipedia entry work for you? Van Jones is damaged goods and has no place in government, IMO. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Here is the original article at East Bay Express:
The New Face of Environmentalism
Van Jones started STORM.
| 491 |
jcm Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:00:28pm |
re: #467 realwest
Why thank you kindly jcm! Good to see you too! How are ya tonight? Hope y’all didn’t waste any time on listening to or watching the Sotomayor hearings today!
Two swamped at work, the other tech is out sick so doing two people work.
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FrogMarch Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:00:38pm |
re: #477 Lynn B.
Sessions did do a pretty good job.
Also interesting to mention: about 60% of Sotomayer’s rulings have been over-turned. I have a hard time understanding how that makes one qualified to sit on the US Supreme Court.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:01:05pm |
re: #476 realwest
Hi ETR! Uh, why are you gonna toss and turn for the night?
That is what I am calling sleep at the moment.
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Dave Brown Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:01:35pm |
China warns citizens in Algeria of al Qaeda threat
Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:22pm
[Link: www.reuters.com…]
BEIJING, July 15 (Reuters) - China has warned its citizens in Algeria about possible attacks from al Qaeda in retribution for a Chinese government crackdown in the Muslim region of Xinjiang.
The Chinese embassy in Algeria on its web site urged all Chinese people and organisations to be more aware of safety precautions and to strengthen security measures “in consideration of the situation after the July 5 incident in Urumqi”.
The warning came after London risk consultancy Stirling Assynt said in a report to clients that al Qaeda might target Chinese workers in northwest Africa, citing “chatter” after the July 5 ethnic riots in Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang.
“China has been reminding overseas Chinese to pay attention to their safety and enhance self protection … China will take any necessary measure to protect the safety of Chinese organisations and citizens overseas,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters on Tuesday when asked to comment on the report.
Security is heavy in Uighur neighbourhoods of Urumqi and other cities in Xinjiang after ethnic riots killed 184 people and wounded more than 1,600. About 1,000 people have been detained. [ID:nPEK56356]
Two knife-wielding Uighurs were also shot dead by police this week when they attacked another Uighur.
Exiled Uighur organisations said they opposed all forms of violence and condemned the reported al Qaeda threat.
The Uyghur (also spelt Uighur) American Association and the World Uyghur Congress are “extremely disturbed by reports that the North African wing of Al Qaeda has threatened to attack Chinese workers in Africa in revenge for the deaths of Uyghurs in East Turkestan”, the exiled groups said in an emailed statement.
They said they advocated basic human rights and self-determination for Uighurs, a Turkic people who are largely Muslim and share linguistic and cultural bonds with Central Asia and who now make up less than half the region’s population of 20 million.
Chinese workers have been kidnapped, and Chinese convoys attacked, over the past few years in many parts of the world with heavy Chinese investment, including Pakistan and Niger.
(Reporting by Lucy Hornby and Liu Zhen; Editing by Benjamin Kang Lim and Dean Yates)
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:01:39pm |
re: #469 Racer X Hey Racer X, well that well know neutral news organization informed me via their e-mail “news of the day” that Obama’s pitch was low and the First Baseman (who was apparently playing catcher) reached out and grabbed it before it hit the dirt - in front of home plate. Obama’s explanation was that he didn’t grow up in a culture that plays baseball (never mind that he practiced “for hours” in the Rose Garden last night). Too bad he didn’t just have to make that free-throw, cause we all know he grew up in a basketball playing culture!
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Van Helsing Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:02:19pm |
Great then, scary now - The Doomsday machine…
I love this movie.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:03:05pm |
re: #493 Erik The Red
Have a warm glass of milk, & know that it WILL all get done. Worrying doesn’t help. Sleep tight!
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:04:05pm |
re: #471 capitalist piglet
Well I’m a little bit sleepy but otherwise ok, I guess. I don’t get the test results until tomorrow.
Thank YOU for asking though!
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:04:11pm |
re: #490 NJDhockeyfan
I wonder what the reaction would have been if Bush had nominated a former neo-nazi who ‘renounced’ his past and went mainstream? Silly me, I know the answer…
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:04:26pm |
re: #497 Floral Giraffe
Have a warm glass of milk, & know that it WILL all get done. Worrying doesn’t help. Sleep tight!
Thanks FG. It may just curdle with the scotch. :)
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:05:17pm |
re: #492 FrogMarch
Sessions did do a pretty good job.
Also interesting to mention: about 60% of Sotomayer’s rulings have been over-turned. I have a hard time understanding how that makes one qualified to sit on the US Supreme Court.
Because the average judge has about 72% of his/her rulings overturned by the Supremes. Twelve percent better than average ain’t exactly shabby.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:06:41pm |
re: #499 MrPaulRevere
I wonder what the reaction would have been if Bush had nominated a former neo-nazi who ‘renounced’ his past and went mainstream? Silly me, I know the answer…
I guess anyone can reform. Tookie Wilson reformed and wrote children’s books, right?
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:07:48pm |
re: #499 MrPaulRevere
I wonder what the reaction would have been if Bush had nominated a former neo-nazi who ‘renounced’ his past and went mainstream? Silly me, I know the answer…
Like the ex Nazi that got us to the moon ?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:08:04pm |
re: #483 jaunte
Yes, congratulations! I enjoyed your story about fitting the 8 foot spear into the decor.
That was my fave too.
Well, that and the fact that his girl is going to let him incorporate that into their decor.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:08:08pm |
Later Lizards. See you later this morning.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:09:00pm |
re: #501 ShanghaiEd
Because the average judge has about 72% of his/her rulings overturned by the Supremes. Twelve percent better than average ain’t exactly shabby.
Exactly. I hear this talking point a lot, but when one looks at the average rate of rulings overturned, and then looks at Sotomayor’s, she’s actually better than average.
It’s instructive though as an example of framing. This is something which is actually a strength of Sotomayor’s, and it’s being spun as the exact opposite.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:09:20pm |
re: #477 Lynn B.
Sorry. I’ve been dropping into this discussion all day without being able to participate actively. But here goes.
Graham is preaching here, sometimes offensively. He has never been, IMO, a leading intellect of the Republican party. But his point about Sotomayor’s temperament is consistent with the impression I’ve gotten from her consistently, and it’s dramatically enforced by some of the public remarks that are being harped on by those opposed to her nomination.
Sessions’ questions, I thought, were very focused and appropriate and they elicited very weak responses on her part. In fact, her performance today was pretty pathetic. And I would expect better from a nominee to the Supreme Court of the United States.
I don’t think Sotomayor is a racist. I’m satisfied that she simply believes that the life experience of minority women positions them to enjoy a level of wisdom that exceeds that of people who have not had that experience. That is what she said. She has in no way by that statement implied that she would not rule impartially due to racial bias but she probably did imply that she considers her own judgment to be superior to that of the other eight members of the Supreme Court. That, to me, is a problem. I think it may also be a problem for some of the other members of the Court, with whom she will have to work and interact on a regular basis if she’s confirmed.
I have no ideological dog in this fight. I’m probably in a distinct minority here in believing that the failure of Robert Bork’s confirmation was not only the right result but mandated, given his philosophy of the law, which was way outside the mainstream (Sotomayor’s acquiescence on the applicability of the Second Amendment to the rights of individuals as opposed to only militias is way to the “right” of Bork). And I still have hope, extremely slim though it may be, that this confirmation will fail as well, even if we get someone “worse,” because as a lawyer I recognize the damage that a lifetime appointment of someone like Sotomayor (or Bork) could potentially do to both the law and the institution.
Absorbing reading you provided for us, Lynn. Upding in particular for the bolded parts. All I would change would be to take the probably out of:
… she probably did imply that she considers her own judgment to be superior to that of the other eight members of the Supreme Court.
I am completely convinced she feels her judgment to be superior.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:09:39pm |
re: #488 Floral Giraffe
Hi Floral Giraffe! How are you doing tonight?
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:10:34pm |
re: #493 Erik The Red
That is what I am calling sleep at the moment.
Erik, have you tried melatonin? It’s the only thing that works for me when I have insomnia and it works really well.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:11:01pm |
re: #493 Erik The Red
OK - but why are you tossing and turning for “sleep” at the moment?!
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:11:21pm |
re: #498 realwest
Well I’m a little bit sleepy but otherwise ok, I guess. I don’t get the test results until tomorrow.
Thank YOU for asking though!
Evening my friend - you will, as always, have my prayers rooting for you.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:11:27pm |
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:11:30pm |
re: #503 avanti
Nice mis-direction there Avanti. I try to stay away from ODS, really I do. But people like Van Jones scare the hell out of me. And this nomination speaks volumes about Obamas judgment.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:11:39pm |
re: #508 realwest
Very well! Cooling off here in LA, nice breeze going!
How’re you doing?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:12:31pm |
re: #509 iceweasel
But, does it go with Scotch?
;)
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:13:14pm |
re: #501 ShanghaiEd
Because the average judge has about 72% of his/her rulings overturned by the Supremes. Twelve percent better than average ain’t exactly shabby.
Good evening SE! Uh, do you have a link for that average judge/72% thing?
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:14:06pm |
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Lynn B. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:14:17pm |
re: #501 ShanghaiEd
Because the average judge has about 72% of his/her rulings overturned by the Supremes. Twelve percent better than average ain’t exactly shabby.
A few questions: Who is the “average judge” in your sample. All US appellate courts? All federal appellate courts? And over what time period? In the past decade? The past century? The past year? Including the 9th circuit, which, again depending on the time period you’re referencing, has had up to 94% of its cases reversed?
Link?
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:14:34pm |
LISTEN TO WHAT SHE SAYS!
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:16:03pm |
re: #519 MandyManners
LISTEN TO WHAT SHE SAYS!
I don’t see how it’s possible to dismiss that, but I’ve seen people do it. I can’t figure out how that isn’t alarming. I need help with that one.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:16:28pm |
re: #472 MrPaulRevere
re: #472 MrPaulRevere
Would his Wikipedia entry work for you? Van Jones is damaged goods and has no place in government, IMO. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Eh, I was a Trotskyist in college. Now I’m a conservative Democrat.. I’m willing to forgive people who have a history of stuff like that as long as they come back to earth before they hold any serious government jobs. It’s a phase some people on the left go through. Most grow out of it.
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:16:34pm |
Wow - Just Wow - From the Corner on National Review:
Liberal Law Professor against Sotomayor?
At least one liberal law professor was “completely disgusted” by Judge Sotomayor’s testimony. In an online debate on the Federalist Society’s website, Georgetown law professor Mike Seidman writes:
I was completely disgusted by Judge Sotomayor’s testimony today. If she was not perjuring herself, she is intellectually unqualified to be on the Supreme Court. If she was perjuring herself, she is morally unqualified. How could someone who has been on the bench for seventeen years possibly believe that judging in hard cases involves no more than applying the law to the facts? …
Perhaps Justice Sotomayor should be excused because our official ideology about judging is so degraded that she would sacrifice a position on the Supreme Court if she told the truth. Legal academics who defend what she did today have no such excuse. They should be ashamed of themselves.(See the link above for his full post.)
Anyone reading Sotomayor’s testimony today on foreign law should reach similar conclusions, albeit for very different reasons than Professor Seidman’s.
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MandyManners Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:16:40pm |
I’m slowly learnng who and what Sonia Sotomayer is.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:17:07pm |
re: #506 iceweasel
Exactly. I hear this talking point a lot, but when one looks at the average rate of rulings overturned, and then looks at Sotomayor’s, she’s actually better than average.
It’s instructive though as an example of framing. This is something which is actually a strength of Sotomayor’s, and it’s being spun as the exact opposite.
Well, “framing” is the polite term for it. :)
Seriously, though, it does show the power of public relations over substance, these days. Is it conceivable that somebody could do all the research necessary to find Sotomayor’s average, and not be aware of what the “average average” was? I don’t think so.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:17:09pm |
re: #516 realwest
Good evening SE! Uh, do you have a link for that average judge/72% thing?
Ain’t that just like a lawyer, to ask the probing questions. ; )
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:17:47pm |
re: #503 avanti
Like the ex Nazi that got us to the moon ?
That is a point, but think about this: If a scientist involved a space project under Republican administration was found to have a racist past, the MSM would go wild on him, and they would do that to besmirch the president for being from the wrong party.
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:17:48pm |
re: #513 MrPaulRevere
Nice mis-direction there Avanti. I try to stay away from ODS, really I do. But people like Van Jones scare the hell out of me. And this nomination speaks volumes about Obamas judgment.
Look, I was young in the 60’s, I had friends that thought being a hippie Commie was cool, and they learned better. I have no idea about this guy, but the fact that he talks about his radical fling, and rejecting it, make me more comfortable. On the right, it would be like a segregationist that repented.
In all honesty, the guy is still probably way left of me, many greenies are.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:18:31pm |
re: #511 Athos
Thanks Athos - I have a feeling I’m gonna need all the prayers/good wishes I can get, based on what the Oncologist told me today: he’s never heard of anyone ever taking such an aggressive approach to cancer (not including Radiation Therapy yet; Chemo doesn’t do much good for Prostate Cancer) and lasting as long as I have without getting radiation treatment!
And since my cancer PSA blood test has gone up for 21 straight months (but it’s still in the range of “ok”) he doesn’t know how much longer I can keep up this attack with stomach injections and pills like mad!
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:18:35pm |
re: #521 Conservative Moonbat
So, a former neo-nazi holding a high government job would be ok with you ?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:18:59pm |
re: #513 MrPaulRevere
Nice mis-direction there Avanti. I try to stay away from ODS, really I do. But people like Van Jones scare the hell out of me. And this nomination speaks volumes about Obamas judgment.
This is no different than making William Ayers a Czar of something. Both are radical nutjobs.
Here is the announcement on the WH website:
They make him sound like some sort of environmental hero and no mention of his past.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:19:57pm |
re: #516 realwest
Good evening SE! Uh, do you have a link for that average judge/72% thing?
Hey, RW! Glad your day’s ordeal is over. Rooting for good news tomorrow.
Be right back with that link…
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:20:11pm |
re: #514 Floral Giraffe
Well it’s starting to cool off here, and I am TIRED but am gonna have trouble sleeping tonight!
BTW, do you know why Erik The Red is having trouble sleeping?!
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:20:48pm |
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
That is a point, but think about this: If a scientist involved a space project under Republican administration was found to have a racist past, the MSM would go wild on him, and they would do that to besmirch the president for being from the wrong party.
Von Braun was kept out of the space program until we found out we really needed him. Yes, the MSM is full of lefties, that’s a given.
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:22:44pm |
Look Avanti and Conservative Moonbat, I was a leftist when I was younger too, but at a certain point you can’t wink at this stuff and say ‘well, he was just a kid’. The man is a hardcore radical leftist. No sale.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:23:18pm |
re: #533 realwest
Realwest, I’m assuming it’s all the details of his move, that are keeping him awake. That’s a BIG move!
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:23:22pm |
re: #518 Lynn B.
A few questions: Who is the “average judge” in your sample. All US appellate courts? All federal appellate courts? And over what time period? In the past decade? The past century? The past year? Including the 9th circuit, which, again depending on the time period you’re referencing, has had up to 94% of its cases reversed?
Link?
Back with the link in a second, Lynn. As I recall, it compared only judges comparable to Sotomayor’s position, but I’m not sure what the time frame was…or what it was for the 60% figure, either.
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windhorse Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:23:46pm |
Liar, Liar Pants on Fire…
/Sonia - have you no shame?
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:23:48pm |
re: #530 NJDhockeyfan
This is no different than making William Ayers a Czar of something. Both are radical nutjobs.
Here is the announcement on the WH website:
They make him sound like some sort of environmental hero and no mention of his past.
If you read BHO books, he flirted with some pretty radical folks in college himself, not that unusual for Ivy League student.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:23:56pm |
re: #534 avanti
Von Braun was kept out of the space program until we found out we really needed him. Yes, the MSM is full of lefties, that’s a given.
What do you propose to do about that fact?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:24:17pm |
So, now that registration has closed, any hatchlings tonight?
It seemed like it was open for a long time!
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:24:30pm |
re: #529 MrPaulRevere
So, a former neo-nazi holding a high government job would be ok with you ?
If they had just briefly flirted with the ideology for a few years before finding their own political identity I wouldn’t think it should disqualify them from government service, no, and I fucking hate Nazis.
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:24:32pm |
Why worry? The Bill of Rights is going to be replaced with The Bill of Welfare.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:24:49pm |
re: #532 ShanghaiEd
Thanks for rooting for me ShanghaiEd - I’ll be here waiting for the link.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:24:59pm |
re: #539 avanti
If you read BHO books, he flirted with some pretty radical folks in college himself, not that unusual for Ivy League student.
Yeah but in my mind, that makes him suspect.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:25:20pm |
re: #537 ShanghaiEd
Back with the link in a second, Lynn. As I recall, it compared only judges comparable to Sotomayor’s position, but I’m not sure what the time frame was…or what it was for the 60% figure, either.
Look on SCOTUSblog. The time frame was from 2004 onward, and it covered ALL appellates, as I recall, with some special focus on her circuit as well.
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:25:43pm |
re: #523 MandyManners
I’m slowly learnng who and what Sonia Sotomayer is.
This was interesting:
An Unpublished Summary Order Can’t Be Defended in Ricci [Andy McCarthy]
Judge Sotomayor continues to try to defend the manner in which her panel buried the Ricci case by unpublished summary order. She claims that she was operating under clear precedent — but there wasn’t clear precedent, and her peremptory order didn’t cite any. But let’s give her that one. Sotomayor has issued scores of opinions on legal issues in which the outcome was clear, controlled by obvious precedent — that didn’t stop her from writing an opinion.
Now consider this. The Ricci case was widely deemed to be the most important discrimination case to come before the Second Circuit in years — perhaps decades. As Judge Cabranes pointed out in his dissent from the full Second Circuit’s decision not to rehear the case, Ricci featured “unusually lengthy briefs from the parties, amicus briefs, an 1,800-page record, and an hour of oral argument, all well beyond the norm” (most arguments before the Second Circuit are about ten minutes per side).
You can argue the result in Ricci. You can’t defend burying the case without a published, reasoned decision.[Link: corner.nationalreview.com…]
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:25:48pm |
re: #535 MrPaulRevere
Look Avanti and Conservative Moonbat, I was a leftist when I was younger too, but at a certain point you can’t wink at this stuff and say ‘well, he was just a kid’. The man is a hardcore radical leftist. No sale.
I can say he “was”, I can’t say what he is. Pretty far left I’d bet, many tree huggers are.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:25:50pm |
re: #536 Floral Giraffe
OK, I’ve been preoccupied for a while, WHAT BIG MOVE?!
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:27:27pm |
re: #451 iceweasel
hey, iron fist! Don’t know if I said this before, but congrats on your engagement!
IF is engaged? Mazel Tov!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:27:59pm |
re: #549 realwest
Someone PLEASE correct me if I’m wrong, but I think ETR is moving back to the States from S. Africa. He’s here now, and his family arrives the end of this month.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:28:30pm |
Sotomayor’s reported 60 percent reversal rate is lower than the overall Supreme Court reversal rate for all lower court decisions from the 2004 term through the present — both overall and for each individual Supreme Court term.
Info is compiled by SCOTUS blog:
[Link: www.scotuswiki.com…]
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:28:47pm |
re: #551 Floral Giraffe
Someone PLEASE correct me if I’m wrong, but I think ETR is moving back to the States from S. Africa. He’s here now, and his family arrives the end of this month.
HOT DAMN! That’s really good news!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:28:49pm |
re: #542 Conservative Moonbat
If they had just briefly flirted with the ideology for a few years before finding their own political identity I wouldn’t think it should disqualify them from government service, no, and I fucking hate Nazis.
Van Jones didn’t briefly flirt with communist ideology. He was a long time Marxist radical.
/I can’t believe there are people actually defending this piece of vermin.
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Lynn B. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:29:00pm |
re: #520 capitalist piglet
I don’t see how it’s possible to dismiss that, but I’ve seen people do it. I can’t figure out how that isn’t alarming. I need help with that one.
She did explain that one today, and did a rather plausible job of it, I thought. What she said was that trial courts just apply the law to the facts of the case before them but don’t create binding precedent. Appeals courts, OTOH, create binding precedent within their jurisdiction when they review and issue an opinion on a case and policy is thereby established within that jurisdiction.
This is true.
If you watch the tape, it’s a bit hard to reconcile her body language, her verbal follow-up and the audience’s reaction with that explanation. But I could certainly see where, if that’s what she actually meant, she could have realized, as the words left her mouth, how that remark could be misinterpreted and tried to ham up a walk-back for her audience. Since this is something that went on in her own mind, it’s doubtful we’ll ever know, so I’m inclined to give her a somewhat skeptical benefit of the doubt on this one.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:30:31pm |
re: #550 austin_blue
IF is engaged? Mazel Tov!
yes! I saw him mention it ages ago and hadn’t had a chance to say Congrats. Others will know the whole story.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:31:19pm |
re: #523 MandyManners
I’m slowly learnng who and what Sonia Sotomayer is.
Barack Obama’s long lost sister?
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:31:36pm |
re: #528 realwest
Well my friend, you’ve got them - as I hope you know from me and many others here. Focus on positive - you’re still in the range of ‘ok’ for the PSA - and be as aggressive as a Lizard hunting roasted gamey troll buttocks…
I’ve just gotten back from helping my father through a double whammy of surgeries - major lung surgery (thankfully no cancer) and a week later a bypass. His prognosis looks good - but it’s been a real wear on my mother for the last month of surgery, icu, etc.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:31:41pm |
re: #548 avanti
I can say he “was”, I can’t say what he is. Pretty far left I’d bet, many tree huggers are.
Surely there must have been some vetting. They wouldn’t have let him on board if he was still a blood red commie. That’s just common sense.
How much power does this position have anyway? Isn’t it just a glorified adviser?
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:31:45pm |
re: #542 Conservative Moonbat
I’m a pretty tolerant guy. I think people should be forgiven most youthful indiscretions, political and otherwise, as long as they don’t cross a certain line. Committing a felony would be crossing the line, for example. So would bragging about being a Nazi or a Communist.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:33:34pm |
re: #559 Conservative Moonbat
Surely there must have been some vetting. They wouldn’t have let him on board if he was still a blood red commie. That’s just common sense.
How much power does this position have anyway? Isn’t it just a glorified adviser?
You are kidding, right?
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Lynn B. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:34:07pm |
re: #552 iceweasel
Sotomayor’s reported 60 percent reversal rate is lower than the overall Supreme Court reversal rate for all lower court decisions from the 2004 term through the present — both overall and for each individual Supreme Court term.
Info is compiled by SCOTUS blog:
[Link: www.scotuswiki.com…]
That link contains nothing but generic references to dozens of other generic references. Try again?
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:34:22pm |
re: #559 Conservative Moonbat
Surely there must have been some vetting. They wouldn’t have let him on board if he was still a blood red commie. That’s just common sense.
How much power does this position have anyway? Isn’t it just a glorified adviser?
Well, we have a socialist or two in Congress, constitutionally, I don’t think you could ban even a card carrying Commie, but I’m sure if he made speeches about his past, it was well known.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:35:16pm |
re: #554 NJDhockeyfan
Van Jones didn’t briefly flirt with communist ideology. He was a long time Marxist radical.
/I can’t believe there are people actually defending this piece of vermin.
Maybe I’m just in denial. I just have trouble believing Obama would bring the guy in if he was that out there. He’s more politically adept than that. He should know better than to bring communists into his inner circle.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:38:01pm |
re: #563 Lynn B.
That link contains nothing but generic references to dozens of other generic references. Try again?
Sorry, that link contains all the PDF’s, to all the stats.
I’ll break it all down in a few minutes.
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:38:08pm |
re: #565 Conservative Moonbat
Maybe I’m just in denial. I just have trouble believing Obama would bring the guy in if he was that out there. He’s more politically adept than that. He should know better than to bring communists into his inner circle.
It doesn’t have the same stigma as in the 50’s. If the MSM will not expose / blow it out - then how big of an issue is it really?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:38:22pm |
Good evening lizards. Just finished with my office work (finally) and have fixed a little martini. Hope everyone is well tonight.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:38:39pm |
re: #543 hous bin pharteen
Why worry? The Bill of Rights is going to be replaced with The Bill of Welfare.
Hous: Not if Michael Steele has anything to do with it! Did you see his quote today, from the Young Republicans conference? He says the GOP helped write the Constitution and Bill of Rights:
“The Republican Party wrote equality for African-Americans into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and they made it very clear, and defined very clearly, that we are one nation under God indivisible.”
Uh…what? And how did that line from the Pledge of Allegiance get into the Constitution?
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:40:23pm |
re: #570 Racer X
Ouch, The Russians don’t seem to get Hope N’ Change!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:40:39pm |
re: #565 Conservative Moonbat
Maybe I’m just in denial. I just have trouble believing Obama would bring the guy in if he was that out there. He’s more politically adept than that. He should know better than to bring communists into his inner circle.
Why would you think that? He’s been surrounding himself with people like that his whole life. Why wouldn’t he know it’s bad to hire Marxists & communists? Obviously they aren’t vetting anyone. He just had to replace the Car Czar because of that.
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Lynn B. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:40:59pm |
Look. I’m not interested in getting into a pissing contest on this. Personally, I don’t find as much interest in Sotomayor’s reversal rate as some others do, but I do find it extremely disingenuous to compare her personal reversal rate to that of the entire body of appellate courts over an arbitrary time period.
She is the Supreme Court nominee. So how about comparing her personal reversal rate to that of other individual appellate court judges? Better yet, how about comparing it to other appellate court judges who have been nominated (or confirmed) to the Supreme Court? I haven’t researched it (again, because I don’t find it to be as important a factor as some) but it’s curious that her defenders’ talking points only seem able to drag out this one generic statistic (since 2004) which, again, includes the 9th circuit with its somewhere over 90% reversal rate, whatever recent time period you select. That’s kind of stacking the deck, no?
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Throbert McGee Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:41:03pm |
re: #188 jcm
re: #180 irongrampaDid they have the for real English chips and not just French fries?
Oh, yeah. A rolled up paper newspaper cone with the fish-n-chips, and a array of condiments to choose from.
Heh-heh. This instantly reminded me of the fish-n-chips shop that opened on 5th Avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn, back in in the early aughts when I was still living there with my Puerto Rican ex-boyfriend Juan. (I can’t recall the name of the shop but I’m sure that some NYC lizard will refresh my memory — I think it was 5th Ave and 6th St in Park Slope.)
Anyhow, Juan and I went there shortly after it opened — at this point, our 6-year homo-marriage was definitely splitsville; in fact, we’d been “divorced” long enough that he had begun dating Matt, the handsome Jewish ER doctor who to this day remains Juan’s one-and-only significant other. And as I recall, Matt was there at the fish-n-chips restaurant, too, along with our lesbian pal Amy.
Well, I don’t remember what Matt or Amy ordered as the four of us dined there on some weekend evening before heading over to either Ginger’s or Excelsior — both of them “rainbow flag” bars, across the street from each other and offering a cozy neighborhood watering hole for homos who didn’t feel like crossing the river into Manhattan. The only difference was that Ginger’s was mostly lesbian and Excelsior was mostly gay men, but neither was exclusive, and both welcomed straight patrons.
So anyway, I don’t remember what Matt or Amy ordered, but I decided on the “Steak and Kidney Pie” — a concoction I’d heard referenced in movies many a time, so I thought I might as well try it. And Juan ordered “Rock Salmon with Chips,” on the perfectly logical assumption that it must contain actual salmon, of which he ate ravenously in the form of lox, or gravlax, or plain and simple salmon steaks grilled with rosemary, garlic, and lemon.
But sadly for Juan, “Rock Salmon” turned out to be a Britishism with a very different meaning than his innocent American palate expected. What he got was fried dogfish — that is, a species of shark. And if you’ve never tasted shark flesh, suffice it to say that it is faintly reminiscent of the eye-watering ammonia odor that emits from a cat’s litterbox when you don’t clean it out regularly.
Mind you, shark meat is quite edible and even tasty, as long as you know what to expect and are properly braced for it. But if your tongue is anticipating the delicate flavor of salmon, dogfish will be a really rude surprise, which is what Juan got!
(I will leave it as an exercise for salamantis or one of the other Evilutionists to explain exactly why the flesh of sharks has such a sharp ammonia tang…)
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:41:05pm |
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Desert Dog Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:41:09pm |
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:41:14pm |
re: #569 ShanghaiEd
“The Republican Party wrote equality for African-Americans into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and they made it very clear, and defined very clearly, that we are one nation under God indivisible.”
I can clear up the confusion. “And” has a different meaning from “in which.”
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:41:16pm |
OT: 2 Israeli war ships transit the Suez Canal
[Link: www.haaretz.com…]
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srb1976 Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:41:38pm |
re: #569 ShanghaiEd
Hous: Not if Michael Steele has anything to do with it! Did you see his quote today, from the Young Republicans conference? He says the GOP helped write the Constitution and Bill of Rights:
“The Republican Party wrote equality for African-Americans into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and they made it very clear, and defined very clearly, that we are one nation under God indivisible.”
Uh…what? And how did that line from the Pledge of Allegiance get into the Constitution?
Now I would have read that as taking credit for the amendments to the constitution dealing with civil rights…not a claim to have been backseat drivers for the founders…maybe I cut too much slack, but that was my first impression
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:41:47pm |
re: #565 Conservative Moonbat
Maybe I’m just in denial. I just have trouble believing Obama would bring the guy in if he was that out there. He’s more politically adept than that. He should know better than to bring communists into his inner circle.
He’s already let Commies into his inner circle. does the name “Bill Ayers” ring any bells?
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:42:29pm |
re: #568 Pvt Bin Jammin
Good evening lizards. Just finished with my office work (finally) and have fixed a little martini. Hope everyone is well tonight.
Welcome! Bombay Sapphire?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:43:00pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:43:13pm |
Here you go. It’s media matters, but the specific article contains all the specific links to the stats so you can check them out yourself:
The Washington Times and CQ Today advanced without challenge the charge that Judge Sonia Sotomayor’s reversals, which the Times reported as three of five cases, or 60 percent, are “high.” But the Supreme Court has reversed more than 60 percent of the federal appeals court cases it considered each year since 2004.
[Link: mediamatters.org…]
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:43:42pm |
re: #552 iceweasel That’s an interesting graph put up by Wiki, but I’m too tired to look at all of it so I just looked at
SCOTUSblog FINAL Stats OT08 – 6.29.09
Circuit Scorecard—OT08
and noticed that 77.8% if the CA2 cases were reversed and that was exceeded by only the CA9 circuit which also was the only circuit to have more cases heard by SCOTUS. (CA2 had 9, CA 9 had 16 cases heard and CA2 had 77.8% reversed and the ever so hapless CA9 had 81.3% reversed) I suppose I could sit up all night and add up the last 5 years of SCOTUS reversals, but I’ve not the inclination to do that.
That minority judge on the 2nd Circuit, Carabanes (sp?) who dissented at far greater length than Sotomayor’s decision in Ricci was correct: in a case of that importance, with 1800+ pages of briefs submitted and over an hour’s long oral argument, on a case involving Affirmative Action, surely merited a written opinon by Sotomayor worthy of the importance of the case.
But of course it doesn’t matter anyway. Sotomayor was nominated by a Democrat and the DEMOCRATS OWN THE US GOVERNMENT. Her approval was never in doubt, even if she had fucked up a couple of questions. The Dems (Shumer in particular) woulda found a way to “correct them” anyway.
SO we live with it - she’s only replacing one of the most ineffectual Justices of SCOTUS in my 35+ years of being a lawyer, and that’s Souter. Probably a net gain for SCOTUS in the intelligence area if nothing else!
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windhorse Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:44:35pm |
Obama hand-shake snubbed???
Wow!
There IS a God!!
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:44:50pm |
re: #569 ShanghaiEd
Hous: Not if Michael Steele has anything to do with it! Did you see his quote today, from the Young Republicans conference? He says the GOP helped write the Constitution and Bill of Rights:
“The Republican Party wrote equality for African-Americans into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and they made it very clear, and defined very clearly, that we are one nation under God indivisible.”
Uh…what? And how did that line from the Pledge of Allegiance get into the Constitution?
Picky, picky…”These are not the droids you are looking for…”
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:45:03pm |
re: #583 Pvt Bin Jammin
Indeed! Shaken with a twist.
Shaken? Ooh, that will bruise it.
Stirred and then a double cocktail onion - which has the only vermouth a martini should see.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:45:04pm |
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Desert Dog Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:45:09pm |
re: #584 iceweasel
Here you go. It’s media matters, but the specific article contains all the specific links to the stats so you can check them out yourself:
[Link: mediamatters.org…]
Ice,
All of these posts of yours seem to express your belief that Judge Sotomayor is a moderate of some sorts. Is that your conclusion?
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:45:29pm |
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:45:44pm |
re: #581 Dark_Falcon
He’s already let Commies into his inner circle. does the name “Bill Ayers” ring any bells?
And he holds what position in the administration exactly?
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:47:40pm |
re: #569 ShanghaiEd
I’m having some real challenges with Mr. Steele and his approach. There is more to leadership than raising money…
And the first step to toss all of that money in NJ and VA to win the Gov. elections there.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:48:12pm |
re: #588 Athos
Shaken? Ooh, that will bruise it.
Stirred and then a double cocktail onion - which has the only vermouth a martini should see.
So I hear. I just like those little tiny flecks of ice that you get when it’s shaken. The onions, they’re great sometimes & you are most definitely correct about the vermouth. I think I’ve had the same bottle for about 20 years, LOL.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:48:28pm |
Confession time:
I love Obama so much. He is just dreamy!
/
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:48:46pm |
re: #590 Desert Dog
Ice,
All of these posts of yours seem to express your belief that Judge Sotomayor is a moderate of some sorts. Is that your conclusion?
Yep. She’s a moderate lefty, barely. Her decisions are all centrist and moderate and the opposite of a judicial activist. She’s pretty much the best justice the right could hope for, and she’s replacing Souter anyway— not going to change the balance of the court.
BTW, it’s worth remembering that GHWB appointed Souter. I think Sotomayor could easily turn out to be a surprise for Obama in the same way that Souter was to him.
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Lynn B. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:49:01pm |
re: #584 iceweasel
Here you go. It’s media matters, but the specific article contains all the specific links to the stats so you can check them out yourself:
[Link: mediamatters.org…]
Right.
Again, please see #574 Lynn B.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:49:29pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:49:38pm |
re: #592 Conservative Moonbat
And he holds what position in the administration exactly?
He helped Obama launch his career. And also don’t forget John “forced abortion” Holdren, Obama’s science czar.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:50:09pm |
re: #558 Athos
Good Lord Athos - what an ordeal for him and your mother and your entire family! I’m VERY glad to hear he’s gonna be ok!
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Desert Dog Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:50:45pm |
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:50:57pm |
re: #578 jaunte
I can clear up the confusion. “And” has a different meaning from “in which.”
Well, that may explain the “indivisible” part, but it doesn’t say how the GOP managed to do that writing into the Constitution and Bill of Rights when the party would be not even be created for another 75 years or so. Right?
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:51:06pm |
re: #599 Dark_Falcon
He helped Obama launch his career. And also don’t forget John “forced abortion” Holdren, Obama’s science czar.
Holdren and then the comments from Ginsburg - seems as if Eugenics is one of those ‘values’ that is just under the surface of most el cubos.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:51:10pm |
re: #561 srb1976
Good evening back atcha! How are you doing tonight?
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:51:13pm |
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:51:24pm |
re: #570 Racer X
Ouch!
I must be a bleeding heart after all. I actually felt a twinge of pity for that snub.
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zombie Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:51:31pm |
OK, here’s my brand new zomblog post, uploaded moments ago:
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White House, John Holdren’s office both issue statements on Ecoscience controversy
According to this article in the Washington Times, both the White House and John Holdren’s office have issued official statements from Holdren and his co-authors in which he distances himself from the words published in Ecoscience 32 years ago. From the article:
When asked whether Mr. Holdren’s thoughts on population control have changed over the years, his staff gave The Washington Times a statement that said, “This material is from a three-decade-old, three-author college textbook. Dr. Holdren addressed this issue during his confirmation when he said he does not believe that determining optimal population is a proper role of government. Dr. Holdren is not and never has been an advocate for policies of forced sterilization.”
…The White House also passed along a statement from the Ehrlichs that said, in part, “anybody who actually wants to know what we and/or Professor Holdren believe and recommend about these matters would presumably read some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times, rather than going back a third of a century to find some formulations in an encyclopedic textbook where description can be misrepresented as endorsement.“
(The second quote above is from page 2 of the article.)
In my original report, I asked Holdren “to publicly renounce and disavow the opinions and recommendations he made in the book Ecoscience.”
I ask my readers: Do you think this counts as the renunciation and disavowal I requested?
And who wants to take up the challenge from the Ehrlichs issued by the White House to look into “some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times” to uncover “what we and/or Professor Holdren believe”? Seems like territory ripe for exploration! Post any research you uncover either here in the comments section, or on your own blog. Anything that John Holdren or the Ehrlichs have written since 1977 is fair game — according to the Ehrlichs themselves.
It’s quite unusual for a blog post to cause such a fuss that it elicits a response from the White House. Why did they bother responding to my post and not the countless other posts critical of the Obama administration?
[Note: Yes, I know the Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church, and is known to have a conservative slant, but in recent years they’ve become more mainstream and it looks like they’ve diligently done their homework this time.]
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:52:15pm |
re: #570 Racer X
Ouch!
For crying out loud, BHO is “introducing” the guys he’s gesturing to, not reaching out to shake their hands.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:52:26pm |
re: #558 Athos
Well my friend, you’ve got them - as I hope you know from me and many others here. Focus on positive - you’re still in the range of ‘ok’ for the PSA - and be as aggressive as a Lizard hunting roasted gamey troll buttocks…
I’ve just gotten back from helping my father through a double whammy of surgeries - major lung surgery (thankfully no cancer) and a week later a bypass. His prognosis looks good - but it’s been a real wear on my mother for the last month of surgery, icu, etc.
Glad your dad is going to be okay. All my best to you and your family.
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Desert Dog Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:52:45pm |
re: #596 iceweasel
Yep. She’s a moderate lefty, barely. Her decisions are all centrist and moderate and the opposite of a judicial activist. She’s pretty much the best justice the right could hope for, and she’s replacing Souter anyway— not going to change the balance of the court.
BTW, it’s worth remembering that GHWB appointed Souter. I think Sotomayor could easily turn out to be a surprise for Obama in the same way that Souter was to him.
We’ll see, I guess. Once they get in and realize they don’t have to answer to nobody about nothing, who knows what will come of her time on the highest bench in the land.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:53:24pm |
re: #559 Conservative Moonbat
How much power does this position have anyway? Isn’t it just a glorified adviser?
Not exactly.
They report directly to the president and they don’t have to answer to Congress.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:53:36pm |
re: #596 iceweasel
Yep. She’s a moderate lefty, barely. Her decisions are all centrist and moderate and the opposite of a judicial activist. She’s pretty much the best justice the right could hope for, and she’s replacing Souter anyway— not going to change the balance of the court.
BTW, it’s worth remembering that GHWB appointed Souter. I think Sotomayor could easily turn out to be a surprise for Obama in the same way that Souter was to him.
I don’t think she’s a centrist, but I do think she’s better than Ginsburg, and maybe even better than Souter. If she is, I’ll be OK with her being on the Court, and if I were a Senator, I’d even vote for her.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:54:06pm |
re: #594 Pvt Bin Jammin
So I hear. I just like those little tiny flecks of ice that you get when it’s shaken. The onions, they’re great sometimes & you are most definitely correct about the vermouth. I think I’ve had the same bottle for about 20 years, LOL.
Okay, I am going to call foul here. If it has onions, gin, and vermouth, it is a Gibson. If you replace the onions with olives, it’s a Martini.
If it has tequila in it, it is not a martini. If it has vodka in it, it is a vodka drink.
If it has any type of booze in it other than gin and vermouth, it is not a Martini.
Grrr…
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:54:11pm |
re: #602 ShanghaiEd
Well, that may explain the “indivisible” part, but it doesn’t say how the GOP managed to do that writing into the Constitution and Bill of Rights when the party would be not even be created for another 75 years or so. Right?
It was an ignorant thing for him to say. he may have wanted to point out that the Republican party should get credit for inclusiveness, but he didn’t rely on the correct facts to do it.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:55:44pm |
re: #606 Silvergirl
I must be a bleeding heart after all. I actually felt a twinge of pity for that snub.
Funny, my first reaction was similar.
Those assholes! Don’t they know he is the leader of the free world? How dare they snub the President of the United States?!?
I know, I bash him. But he is our president and we can do that. When Obama gets snubbed by Euros, or worse, Russians, I get kinda pissed.
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srb1976 Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:55:57pm |
re: #604 realwest
Not too bad…had a great day off, both kids crashed out for a couple hours, better half out in his shop, had the place all to myself = )
Your test was today, but no results til tomorrow right? {fingers still crossed}
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:56:07pm |
re: #600 realwest
Thank you - I really appreciate that.
You’re a good troop - that’s why so many of us are behind you.
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Lynn B. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:56:08pm |
re: #318 Chekote
The problem is that the GOP broadcasts its objections to nominations weeks before the hearings. They made such a stink about the “wise Latina” remark before the hearings, that it allowed her to be prepared. If they are interested in stopping a nomination, they need to sandbag the nominee.
And yet, she wasn’t prepared.
Says a lot.
I’d be more than willing to write that remark off as a bad choice of words that, as she said today, “fell flat” … if she hadn’t used the same words on at least six or seven different occasions. Nevertheless, I still maintain that they speak more to her elitism and personal sense of entitlement than they do to any racial bias she might have toward litigants.
There is, however, the question of her judgment. See, that’s where I get off this train. To me, a nominee to the Supreme Court who has displayed, on numerous occasions, extremely poor judgment, is a bad nominee, regardless of his or her ideology.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:56:09pm |
re: #598 Pvt Bin Jammin
No hangovers either.
Too much of any gin, even Sapphire, will kill you. Juniper berries are toxic. But Sapphire is my bottle in the cupboard.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:56:39pm |
re: #608 avanti
For crying out loud, BHO is “introducing” the guys he’s gesturing to, not reaching out to shake their hands.
I’m glad of it. It bothered me to see it as a snub, though my reaction surprised me.
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:57:26pm |
re: #607 zombie
And this just in…Bill Ayers distances himself from wanting to kill 25 million unrepetant capitalists… the correct number was 21.5 million.
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Desert Dog Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:57:34pm |
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:58:05pm |
re: #581 Dark_Falcon
Bill Ayers? Isn’t he one of Obama’s neighbors in Chicago and didn’t Billy Boy Ayers and his ever so charming wife have a coffee-get together to raise money for Obama’s first run for the Illinois Senate? The one that Obama said never happened and that Billy Boy did say happen and then Obama said well it happened but it wasn’t a fund raiser and he doesn’t even KNOW Bill Ayers or Bernadine Dhorn (I reckon they just approached him on the street and said “Hey, how’s about we hold a little fundraiser for you to get elected” right out of the blue?).
That Bill Ayers?
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:58:12pm |
re: #620 austin_blue
Too much of any gin, even Sapphire, will kill you. Juniper berries are toxic. But Sapphire is my bottle in the cupboard.
What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger. :)
Bottoms up!
/love gin.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:58:19pm |
re: #608 avanti
For crying out loud, BHO is “introducing” the guys he’s gesturing to, not reaching out to shake their hands.
LOL!
On second look I think you are right. But it does look very awkward.
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jvic Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:59:25pm |
re: #308 ShanghaiEd
Wow. I think Cocco’s column is right on the mark.“Spooning gruel to the base,” indeed. That’s an image that’s going to stick with me until these hearings are over.
I grant it’s pretty good. IMHO it would be more zinging to say something like they’re claiming to throw red meat but are actually throwing tofu in tomato paste. I said something like: I’m not pretending to be a professional writer.
1. I did not appreciate the unquestioning identity politics in Cocco’s piece. IMO identity politics run amok is becoming a growing threat to the country’s future.
2. From the column:
Undeterred by his gross historical error — had every court in American history applied the law in this manner, schools would still be legally segregated, a woman’s right to earn a living and obtain credit would still be denied, and so on — Sessions went on to attack even Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
The culture would not have changed, legislatures would not have acted, and the voters would not have acted? Quite an assumption—presented as obvious fact.
3.
If one of those campers someday rises to become a Supreme Court nominee, what part of this experience should he or she separate from the cold, hard facts of a case presented for decision?
Unless somebody is really good with words, it’s hard to refute smug nonsense. I’m torn between saying something vicious and spluttering ineffectively.
***
(Ed & Ice, I had nothing major to add to your responses in the Satriani/GS thread, but fyi I did follow up.)
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:59:38pm |
re: #626 iceweasel
What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger. :)
blockquote>I remember hearing that near the end of the Carter Administration.
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:59:50pm |
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:59:52pm |
re: #581 Dark_Falcon
What? The President of the United States was hob knobing with a man who set bombs off in police stations and the Pentagon. Whats the big deal? NYC voted heavy for The One. If 9/11 didn’t wake them up, they can fill their gas tanks while filling it up while smoking all they want. While seeing the towers burning the first time, they wont get any symphony the next time.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:00:13pm |
re: #622 Floral Giraffe
You OK, Racer X ???
I’m great! You?
The Obama love-ooze was getting to me. I’m fine now.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:00:54pm |
re: #624 Desert Dog
He broke into Austin’s gin cabinet?
I don’t think so! The Mossberg 12-gauge pump with 2-shot has not been unlimbered!
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:01:22pm |
re: #593 Athos
Ah well let’s also chuck a buncha bucks up in Maine where Susan Collins (Rino) needs to face a Primary challenge from someone who really is a Republican!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:01:52pm |
re: #632 Racer X
I’m great! You?
The Obama love-ooze was getting to me. I’m fine now.
LOL! You had me worried for a minute! ;)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:02:15pm |
re: #625 realwest
Bill Ayers? Isn’t he one of Obama’s neighbors in Chicago and didn’t Billy Boy Ayers and his ever so charming wife have a coffee-get together to raise money for Obama’s first run for the Illinois Senate? The one that Obama said never happened and that Billy Boy did say happen and then Obama said well it happened but it wasn’t a fund raiser and he doesn’t even KNOW Bill Ayers or Bernadine Dhorn (I reckon they just approached him on the street and said “Hey, how’s about we hold a little fundraiser for you to get elected” right out of the blue?).
That Bill Ayers?
Yep, that’s the right asshole. He’s a scumbag leftist terrorist who only avoided a life sentence because the FBI screwed up the evidence against him.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:02:33pm |
re: #596 iceweasel
I’m hoping she turns out to be a surprise for Obama the way Earl Warren was for Ike!
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:03:01pm |
re: #631 hous bin pharteen
What? The President of the United States was hob knobing with a man who set bombs off in police stations and the Pentagon. Whats the big deal? NYC voted heavy for The One. If 9/11 didn’t wake them up, they can fill their gas tanks while filling it up while smoking all they want. While seeing the towers burning the first time, they wont get any symphony the next time.
I find people who overtly or covertly wish for another attack on the US— especially on NYC— to be pretty awful. I hope you’re not saying you think NYC deserves another 9/11 simply because you don’t like the guy they voted for.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:03:06pm |
About that vetting thing. Do you suppose they vetted Harold Koh before making him the State Department’s legal adviser?
… It’s a job where you want a strong defender of America’s sovereignty. But that’s not Koh. He’s a fan of “transnational legal process,” arguing that the distinctions between US and international law should vanish.
What would this look like in a practical sense? Well, California voters have overruled their courts, which had imposed same-sex marriage on the state. Koh would like to see such matters go up the chain through federal courts — which, in turn, should look to the rest of the world. If Canada, the European Human Rights Commission and the United Nations all say gay marriage should be legal — well, then, it should be legal in California too, regardless of what the state’s voters and elected representatives might say.
He even believes judges should use this “logic” to strike down the death penalty, which is clearly permitted in the US Constitution.
The primacy of international legal “norms” applies even to treaties we reject. For example, Koh believes that the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child — a problematic document that we haven’t ratified — should dictate the age at which individual US states can execute criminals. Got that? On issues ranging from affirmative action to the interrogation of terrorists, what the rest of the world says, goes.
Including, apparently, the world of radical imams. A New York lawyer, Steven Stein, says that, in addressing the Yale Club of Greenwich in 2007, Koh claimed that “in an appropriate case, he didn’t see any reason why sharia law would not be applied to govern a case in the United States.”
Nice pick Zero.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:03:09pm |
re: #638 realwest
I’m hoping she turns out to be a surprise for Obama the way Earl Warren was for Ike!
Quite concur.
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Desert Dog Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:03:28pm |
re: #632 Racer X
I’m great! You?
The Obama love-ooze was getting to me. I’m fine now.
Quick look here
The remedy
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:03:42pm |
re: #636 Floral Giraffe
LOL! You had me worried for a minute! ;)
Hey I enjoy making fun of Obama as much as the next guy, but I am not against going over to Russia to kick some ass if they snub our president.
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:03:54pm |
re: #611 NJDhockeyfan
I watched it burn while attending preseason devils game. They body searched everyone going into the arena.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:04:03pm |
re: #640 NJDhockeyfan
About that vetting thing. Do you suppose they vetted Harold Koh before making him the State Department’s legal adviser?
Nice pick Zero.
They vetted him. He got the job because Obama believes the same things he does.
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TedStriker Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:04:57pm |
re: #307 Van Helsing
re: #262 calcajun
I had a great time as did the Scouts. I went in 2004. Didn’t see the plane wreck, but our our track took us up the back side of Tooth of Time, to the peak of (I can’t remember the name. Crap).
We did about 90 miles over the 10 days.
Strangely, no real rain or thunder storms. That was the thing they told us to be well aware of.While we used bear precautions throughout the trip the only time we saw one was on the last day as we headed back to the trailhead to catch the bus.
It was a great trip. Just writing about it brings up great memories. Getting up for a 0300 whizz and looking up at the stars… kind of like the Total Perspective Vortex in Hithchikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Look at the stars from outside the light and smoke of a city… we are not worthy.
Been to Philmont 3 times myself - 1993, 2002, and 2006. Been past the Tooth along Tooth Ridge all three times (coming back in to Base Camp), on top of Baldy, and over Phillips. The peak you’re referring to on the back side of Tooth Ridge, you mean Shaefer’s Peak?
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:05:09pm |
re: #635 realwest
Ah well let’s also chuck a buncha bucks up in Maine where Susan Collins (Rino) needs to face a Primary challenge from someone who really is a Republican!
Are there real republican’s in Maine?
Of course, there is also a rational explanation for Snowe and Collins - Brain Freeze.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:05:29pm |
re: #631 hous bin pharteen
What? The President of the United States was hob knobing with a man who set bombs off in police stations and the Pentagon. Whats the big deal? NYC voted heavy for The One. If 9/11 didn’t wake them up, they can fill their gas tanks while filling it up while smoking all they want. While seeing the towers burning the first time, they wont get any symphony the next time.
Hell, that happened when he was young. Happened to all of us once or twice. Lets put him in charge of DHS.
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Lynn B. Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:05:33pm |
re: #605 iceweasel
Hey, you don’t like them, but on this they’re right.
No, Ice, they’re not. They’re really not. (Did you even bother to read the comment I referenced?) They’re not comparing apples to apples. That’s the point. They’re using statistics to create false analogies.
Again, it isn’t relevant how Sotormayor’s reversal record stacks up against the sum total of appellate court reversals since 2004. What’s that got to do with anything? She’s been on the Second Circuit since 1998. How does her individual record over the past eleven years compare with other individual circuit court judges over the same time period? That might be of interest, though as I’ve said several times already, I really don’t find it dispositive one way or another.
But it should be of no interest to anyone how her reversal rate stacks up against the sum of other appellate court reversals which (sorry to repeat myself but not everyone reads every comment here) include the 9th Circuit which tends to have a reversal rate exceeding 90% due to the extreme positions it’s notorious for adopting.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:07:00pm |
re: #645 Dark_Falcon
They vetted him. He got the job because Obama believes the same things he does.
DING! DING! DING!
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jaunte Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:07:27pm |
re: #607 zombie
This sounds like it might be promising:
Paul and Anne Ehrlich: One With Nineveh: Politics, Consumption, and the Human Future
(2004)
Chapter 6: Billions, Birthrates, and Policies
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:07:33pm |
re: #649 Lynn B.
But it should be of no interest to anyone how her reversal rate stacks up against the sum of other appellate court reversals
This I can agree with.
(BTW, agreed with a lot of your post way upthread as well)
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:07:38pm |
re: #607 zombie
Hey zombie! Uh “And who wants to take up the challenge from the Ehrlichs issued by the White House to look into “some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times” to uncover “what we and/or Professor Holdren believe”?
Why shouldn’t we or more effectively YOU ask them for those publications?
Save us the time of proving they don’t exist!
BTW, just a caution from a friend to a friend: do NOT get Rahm Emmauel pissed off at you!
| 654 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:09:32pm |
re: #637 Dark_Falcon
Yep, that’s the right asshole. He’s a scumbag leftist terrorist who only avoided a life sentence because the FBI screwed up the evidence against him.
It’s a mystery and a disgrace that Ayers avoided prison back then.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:09:37pm |
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TedStriker Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:10:06pm |
re: #646 talon_262
Oops, misspoke…only went over Tooth Ridge in 1993 and 2006. In 2002, our crews did North Country, so we came off the trail at Highway 64.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:10:37pm |
re: #617 srb1976
Not too bad…had a great day off, both kids crashed out for a couple hours, better half out in his shop, had the place all to myself = )
Your test was today, but no results til tomorrow right? {fingers still crossed}
Correct! Uh, do y’all think you could maybe cross fingers AND arms?!? LOL!
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Desert Dog Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:11:01pm |
re: #651 jaunte
This sounds like it might be promising:
Paul and Anne Ehrlich: One With Nineveh: Politics, Consumption, and the Human Future
(2004)
Chapter 6: Billions, Birthrates, and Policies
So, based on Mr. Ehrlich’s past performances and soothsaying, we should read this tome and do the exact opposite of what he suggests and we should be fine?
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zombie Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:11:05pm |
re: #651 jaunte
This sounds like it might be promising:
Paul and Anne Ehrlich: One With Nineveh: Politics, Consumption, and the Human Future
(2004)
Chapter 6: Billions, Birthrates, and Policies
Oooh, does look juicy! I hope someone finds some choice quotes in there and posts them somewhere!
| 660 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:12:15pm |
re: #618 Athos Thanks Athos, it really is appreciated (although I have noticed that some of the “troops” are FAR behind me! LOL!).
Can’t say as how I blame ‘em though. I’m not the most likeable person out here!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:12:25pm |
re: #657 realwest
Correct! Uh, do y’all think you could maybe cross fingers AND arms?!? LOL!
For you? Legs too! ;)
{RW}
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zombie Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:13:14pm |
re: #653 realwest
BTW, just a caution from a friend to a friend: do NOT get Rahm Emmauel pissed off at you!
I think it’s a little too late for that!
This may be the first time that the word “zombietime” has been uttered in The Situation Room.
| 663 |
Desert Dog Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:13:19pm |
Ugh…not much time on LGF this evening…gotta hit the hay due to an early start. Have fun and play nice
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:13:22pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:14:32pm |
re: #625 realwest
Bill Ayers? Isn’t he one of Obama’s neighbors in Chicago and didn’t Billy Boy Ayers and his ever so charming wife have a coffee-get together to raise money for Obama’s first run for the Illinois Senate? The one that Obama said never happened and that Billy Boy did say happen and then Obama said well it happened but it wasn’t a fund raiser and he doesn’t even KNOW Bill Ayers or Bernadine Dhorn (I reckon they just approached him on the street and said “Hey, how’s about we hold a little fundraiser for you to get elected” right out of the blue?).
That Bill Ayers?
Yeah, that guy and his wife. And why is it that they were not prosecuted for their crimes? Who is it that we have to thank for that? Can you say the FBI and the Department of Justice? And under who’s administration did those f*&k up’s occur?
| 666 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:14:35pm |
re: #660 realwest
Thanks Athos, it really is appreciated (although I have noticed that some of the “troops” are FAR behind me! LOL!).
Can’t say as how I blame ‘em though. I’m not the most likeable person out here!
You’re totally likeable! I’m sure everyone is behind you 100%!
(i’d have posted to that effect earlier but I don’t know the details about your test. Good luck tomorrow in any case!)
| 667 |
NY Nana Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:15:05pm |
re: #619 Lynn B.
And yet, she wasn’t prepared.
Says a lot.
I’d be more than willing to write that remark off as a bad choice of words that, as she said today, “fell flat” … if she hadn’t used the same words on at least six or seven different occasions. Nevertheless, I still maintain that they speak more to her elitism and personal sense of entitlement than they do to any racial bias she might have toward litigants.
There is, however, the question of her judgment. See, that’s where I get off this train. To me, a nominee to the Supreme Court who has displayed, on numerous occasions, extremely poor judgment, is a bad nominee, regardless of his or her ideology.
She seems to have a raging, snotty attitude that she did not hide very well…she seems to feel entitled. And if she is indeed approved, look at how many years she will be a Supreme.
After so many years of minorities being treated like s*it? Now they get into the top universities, etc., whether or not they are worthy.
After what she pulled with the New Haven fire department, was textbook discrimination, and also reverse discrimination that people are afraid to challenge. Jews and other groups are still discriminated against, and it bothers me that someone’s race and/or ethnicity counts far more than their qualifications and how well they scored academically.
School kids now expect to get ahead by race, not intellect. Where will the next generation of scientists, researchers, etc.
After so many years? The playing field must be level.
| 669 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:15:28pm |
| 670 |
hous bin pharteen Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:15:38pm |
re: #639 iceweasel
Nice try. I am an x-firefighter. The last thing I would want is that. But I have to much experience with how stupid people are and they make other people suffer. Like merging from a highway ramp while blissfully talking on a cell phone while not looking where you are going?
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zombie Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:16:05pm |
re: #665 austin_blue
Yeah, that guy and his wife. And why is it that they were not prosecuted for their crimes? Who is it that we have to thank for that? Can you say the FBI and the Department of Justice? And under who’s administration did those f*&k up’s occur?
Nixon and Ford.
| 672 |
srb1976 Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:16:17pm |
re: #657 realwest
Correct! Uh, do y’all think you could maybe cross fingers AND arms?!? LOL!
Ok, but it makes it REALLY hard to type = )
| 674 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:17:28pm |
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:17:41pm |
Geez - finally saw a video of Obama’s 1st pitch in St. Louis that had a proper angle - he bounced it in. Why am I not surprised.
Of course no one remembers Dubya’s strike at Yankee Stadium a week after 9/11 while wearing a bulletproof vest…
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:17:58pm |
re: #643 Racer X
Hey I enjoy making fun of Obama as much as the next guy, but I am not against going over to Russia to kick some ass if they snub our president.
Your reaction is out of respect for the office, a good thing. Most of the right wing blogs are rolling in laughter thinking the POTUS was snubbed multiple times by the Russians.
| 678 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:18:04pm |
re: #659 zombie
Oooh, does look juicy! I hope someone finds some choice quotes in there and posts them somewhere!
You can only “preview” a few pages of the book, not the whole thing.
This is from 2004/2005 -I may check my local library to see if they have it, but it won’t be tomorrow. How quickly do you want any responses and information?
| 679 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:18:17pm |
I’m just watching the Graham and Sotomayor video now. There’s not much for me to add, after 670+ comments, except maybe this: Has anyone noticed how she flutters her eyelids when she’s so full of rage against Graham that she can barely contain herself, but she needs to try to swallow her hatred and maintain a calm tone?
| 680 |
austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:19:01pm |
re: #676 Athos
Geez - finally saw a video of Obama’s 1st pitch in St. Louis that had a proper angle - he bounced it in. Why am I not surprised.
Of course no one remembers Dubya’s strike at Yankee Stadium a week after 9/11 while wearing a bulletproof vest…
He didn’t bounce it in. Pujols caught it on the fly.
| 681 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:19:45pm |
re: #679 Last Mohican
I’m just watching the Graham and Sotomayor video now. There’s not much for me to add, after 670+ comments, except maybe this: Has anyone noticed how she flutters her eyelids when she’s so full of rage against Graham that she can barely contain herself, but she needs to try to swallow her hatred and maintain a calm tone?
Yes, I did admire that while concurrently being amused by it.
| 682 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:19:55pm |
re: #676 Athos
I think Dubya threw out the ceremonial first pitch when the Nationals came to town. A little high and inside…
| 683 |
Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:20:21pm |
re: #680 austin_blue
Not from the video I saw - short hopped from in front of the plate.
| 684 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:20:33pm |
re: #676 Athos
Of course no one remembers Dubya’s strike at Yankee Stadium a week after 9/11 while wearing a bulletproof vest…
Oh come on!
Haliburton provided Bush with a super-sekrit baseball that autonomously seeks out its target with an accuracy of +/- 2 inches from a distance of over 75 feet!
Totally illegal!
| 685 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:20:54pm |
| 686 |
austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:21:35pm |
re: #679 Last Mohican
I’m just watching the Graham and Sotomayor video now. There’s not much for me to add, after 670+ comments, except maybe this: Has anyone noticed how she flutters her eyelids when she’s so full of rage against Graham that she can barely contain herself, but she needs to try to swallow her hatred and maintain a calm tone?
Wow. That’s an incredible amount of projection. Rage? Hatred?
How about nervoso?
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:22:10pm |
re: #684 Racer X
Oh come on!
Haliburton provided Bush with a super-sekrit baseball that autonomously seeks out its target with an accuracy of +/- 2 inches from a distance of over 75 feet!
Totally illegal!
I was wondering what countered the advice he got from Jeter - it was something along the lines of - This is NYC - throw from the mound and don’t bounce it…nothing like any pressure.
| 689 |
austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:22:57pm |
re: #683 Athos
Not from the video I saw - short hopped from in front of the plate.
Nope. He fist pumped after the pitch. Wouldn’t have done it if it had landed short.
| 690 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:24:28pm |
Hey, when Obama actually does something remarkable can one of you please let me know? Because I haven’t seen it yet.
| 691 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:24:34pm |
re: #686 austin_blue
Wow. That’s an incredible amount of projection. Rage? Hatred?
How about nervoso?
Nope. There are some tough questions that she should be nervous about answering correctly, and plenty of really stupid questions that just make Graham look ridiculous, for which it doesn’t really matter how she answers. My impression, on first viewing, is that the eyelid flutter only happens when she’s really pissed off at him.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:25:00pm |
re: #686 austin_blue
Wow. That’s an incredible amount of projection. Rage? Hatred?
How about nervoso?
Rage might be strong, but I know I would have been more than nervous. Graham was really pouring on the school principal act at times and really appeared to be enjoying badgering the girl called to his office for misbehavior.
| 693 |
ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:25:00pm |
re: #628 jvic
(Ed & Ice, I had nothing major to add to your responses in the Satriani/GS thread, but fyi I did follow up.)
Thanks, jvic! I’ll go check it out before I turn in.
| 694 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:25:23pm |
I’m fading fast, so its time for me to turn in. Goodnight all.
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zombie Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:25:42pm |
re: #678 reine.de.tout
You can only “preview” a few pages of the book, not the whole thing.
This is from 2004/2005 -I may check my local library to see if they have it, but it won’t be tomorrow. How quickly do you want any responses and information?
No rush, no demands. Whenever, and whoever, on your own schedule!
We may be in this for the long haul, at this stage.
Post the result on zomblog, or email me.
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:25:56pm |
re: #689 austin_blue
Pujols was straddling the plate and got it on a short hop. Are you saying you’re shocked that Obama would try to present something as different than it was? He would fist pump anything - including a $1 Trillion deficit.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:28:42pm |
re: #628 jvic Marie Coco, Marie Coco, where the hell have I heard that name before.
OH YEAH: “Character Lessons from the Kerry Smear” June 14, 2005, Marie Coco, Newsday (reposted) [Link: www….] dailyhowler. com/dh082004.
She’s apparently been busy again, has she? Not content to call those who WERE THERE and who supposedly said things that were good about Kerry but who later said “I never said anything like that” liars who were smearing John Kerry (Hey John, y’all get those military records out in public yet or have you been too busy?)? That Marie Coco?
Oh, I see.
If Republicans opposed Sototmayor it must be based on RACISM! Of course! Boy, that Lindsey Graham is sure good at hiding his racism. The fact the Puerto Rican is not a race and indeed comprises black, white, tan and other hues, doesn’t seem to bother her anymore than Kerry’s manifest lying and dodging did.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:28:44pm |
re: #696 Athos
He would fist pump anything - including a $1 Trillion deficit.
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA! a million updings…
/insane laughter is what’s keeping me from going insane these days.
| 701 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:29:58pm |
re: #629 Athos
That’s funny Athos, I remember hearing it all though the Carter Administration - especially a 444 day period of time.
| 702 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:29:58pm |
re: #696 Athos
He would fist pump anything - including a $1 Trillion deficit.
ONE Trillion?
ppfffttt!
Bush League.
Triple that.
Now thats a deficit!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:29:59pm |
House bill to hit millionaires with 5.4 pct surtax.
I know what a surtax means, but I have a question. Have we ever taxed someone with an additional tax like that?
(Article)
WASHINGTON, July 14 (Reuters) - A sweeping overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system to be announced on Tuesday in the U.S. House of Representatives will include a surtax on millionaires of 5.4 percent, congressional sources said.
The tax rate is higher than the 3 percent surtax lawmakers had been discussing earlier and would be imposed on those making more than $1 million a year, the sources said.
[Link: www.reuters.com…]
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:31:30pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:31:41pm |
re: #688 zombie
I’ll see your puppy & raise you a Koala!
[Link: www.zooborns.com…]
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:32:20pm |
re: #703 Walter L. Newton
And when enough millionaires vote with their feet to negate that 5.4% tax hike, who do they tax next? The ‘thousandaires’?
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:33:37pm |
re: #696 Athos
Pujols was straddling the plate and got it on a short hop. Are you saying you’re shocked that Obama would try to present something as different than it was? He would fist pump anything - including a $1 Trillion deficit.
Well, I knew that was coming. But really, it flopped into Pujol’s glove. There’s no reason to state otherwise. He talked about it with the announcers in the booth after the fact- that he was relieved that he had gotten the ball to the plate. Really, saying it didn’t happen is just stupid.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:34:03pm |
re: #691 Last Mohican
Nope. There are some tough questions that she should be nervous about answering correctly, and plenty of really stupid questions that just make Graham look ridiculous, for which it doesn’t really matter how she answers. My impression, on first viewing, is that the eyelid flutter only happens when she’s really pissed off at him.
How is passion a bad thing in a public official? I go by what people do and say, not their facial expressions. Some people show emotion on their faces, some don’t. I’m also wondering if there are gender differences in this perception, because I don’t recall offhand a male public official losing points for looking angry.
My problem is the opposite. My face displays almost no emotion whatsoever, regardless of what I’m feeling. And it’s worked against me in a variety of ways over the years. Mainly during a crisis situation of some kind, when an emotional person inevitably confronts me with, “Look at you! You don’t even give a shit, do you?”
Sigh.
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HelloDare Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:36:19pm |
[ Just posted this in the Spinoffs. It’s from Hot Air. ]
Mary Clare Jalonick of the Associated Press provides an eye-opening report on Indian Health Service, a single-payer system that rations care to Native Americans on reservations across the country — and kills them through neglect and a severe lack of resources:
American Indian Health Care — A Government-Run System You Should Know About
On some reservations, the oft-quoted refrain is “don’t get sick after June,” when the federal dollars run out. It’s a sick joke, and a sad one, because it’s sometimes true, especially on the poorest reservations where residents cannot afford health insurance. Officials say they have about half of what they need to operate, and patients know they must be dying or about to lose a limb to get serious care.Wealthier tribes can supplement the federal health service budget with their own money. But poorer tribes, often those on the most remote reservations, far away from city hospitals, are stuck with grossly substandard care. The agency itself describes a “rationed health care system.”
The sad fact is an old fact, too.
The U.S. has an obligation, based on a 1787 agreement between tribes and the government, to provide American Indians with free health care on reservations. But that promise has not been kept. About one-third more is spent per capita on health care for felons in federal prison, according to 2005 data from the health service.
When government owns the nation’s health-care system, we can all look forward to the same level of care. After all, as Obama himself insists, a government-run system will “save costs,” but he never explains how those costs get saved. We will all go into the rationing-system grinder, just as veterans do with the VA, seniors and disabled do with Medicare, and Native Americans do with IHS.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:38:02pm |
re: #689 austin_blue
Nope. He fist pumped after the pitch. Wouldn’t have done it if it had landed short.
You’re kidding, right?
Yahoo (I posted the link upthread) says it was short of the plate.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:38:03pm |
re: #708 ShanghaiEd
re: #691 Last Mohican
How is passion a bad thing in a public official? I go by what people do and say, not their facial expressions. Some people show emotion on their faces, some don’t. I’m also wondering if there are gender differences in this perception, because I don’t recall offhand a male public official losing points for looking angry.
My problem is the opposite. My face displays almost no emotion whatsoever, regardless of what I’m feeling. And it’s worked against me in a variety of ways over the years. Mainly during a crisis situation of some kind, when an emotional person inevitably confronts me with, “Look at you! You don’t even give a shit, do you?”
Sigh.
There’s also a gender differential here. We apply different standards to men and women, and women are often called ‘arrogant’ or ‘snotty’ or ‘bitchy’ for behaviour that is lauded or respected in a man —i.e., not suffering fools gladly, being intelligent and competent and not apologising for it, and so on. (“he’s a tough son of a bitch”, e.g.)
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:38:13pm |
re: #709 landline
America’s favorite “Wise Latina” is rather evasive.
No. As I aid *way* the hell upthread:
re: #14 Charles
The GOP senators came off terribly today, in my honest if not terribly humble opinion. None of this is going to help, and Graham’s recital of standard GOP hot buttons was incredibly unconvincing. And I wasn’t impressed when he interrupted her while she was 10 seconds into answering his first long-winded question.
Not only that, but if you had put a paper Roberts mask on the front of her face, you wouldn’t have known the difference:
Proper decision on the 2nd amendment right for an individual right to bear arms? Check.
Individual right to privacy? Check.
Roe v. Wade established as case law? Check.
Boooring…
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:38:14pm |
LOL!
Who cares if he short hopped a pitch.
Dude is looking at a 2.6 Trillion Dollar deficit by year end.
The national debt is up to $11.5 Trillion and growing.
Lets spend more!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:38:18pm |
Goldman profit and pay surge in blowout quarter.
(Of course they will be paying big bonuses and salaries, they are using our money)
Goldman set aside $6.65 billion for salary, bonuses and benefits in the quarter, up by nearly half from the quarter ended in May last year.
That puts the average Goldman employee on pace to earn more than $900,000 this year. Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein, senior officers and star traders will likely receive tens of millions of dollars.
[Link: www.reuters.com…]
We are getting screwed, you know that? Avanti, you and your fellow liberals are getting screwed, conservatives are getting screwed, those who wish they voted for Obama and those who didn’t are getting screwed. People are not going to put up with this much longer.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:38:39pm |
re: #699 realwest
Marie Coco, Marie Coco, where the hell have I heard that name before.
OH YEAH: “Character Lessons from the Kerry Smear” June 14, 2005, Marie Coco, Newsday (reposted) [Link: www…] dailyhowler. com/dh082004.
She’s apparently been busy again, has she? Not content to call those who WERE THERE and who supposedly said things that were good about Kerry but who later said “I never said anything like that” liars who were smearing John Kerry (Hey John, y’all get those military records out in public yet or have you been too busy?)? That Marie Coco?
Oh, I see.
If Republicans opposed Sototmayor it must be based on RACISM! Of course! Boy, that Lindsey Graham is sure good at hiding his racism. The fact the Puerto Rican is not a race and indeed comprises black, white, tan and other hues, doesn’t seem to bother her anymore than Kerry’s manifest lying and dodging did.
RW: Just for the record, I said I agreed with Cocco’s column on Sotomayor. I certainly don’t embrace her entire ouevre, as I’ve never read it.
Fair enough?
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:38:58pm |
re: #713 capitalist piglet
You’re kidding, right?
Yahoo (I posted the link upthread) says it was short of the plate.
Wrong.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:40:18pm |
re: #714 iceweasel
There’s also a gender differential here. We apply different standards to men and women, and women are often called ‘arrogant’ or ‘snotty’ or ‘bitchy’ for behaviour that is lauded or respected in a man —i.e., not suffering fools gladly, being intelligent and competent and not apologising for it, and so on. (“he’s a tough son of a bitch”, e.g.)
Or sometimes, those who don’t suffer fools gladly are accused of squabbling.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:40:32pm |
re: #637 Dark_Falcon
And let’s not forget that his ever so charming wife Bernadine Dhorn was charged in Federal Court for murdering a police officer and blinding another. Three of her fellow Weather Undergrounders testified that SHE told them she planted the bomb, where she planted it and when it was set to go off. Then the US Attorney has the police forensics team testify that indeed the bomb had been planted where the three said it had, did go off when the three said Dhorn said it was set to go off (containing, as usual gasoline and shrapnel -nails and such - to cause property damage doncha know).
Then the judge instructed the jury that they couldn’t give any weight at all to the testimony of three Co-Conspirators and she was acquited.
And such lovely people from VERY RICH White parents. And so nice, too - they adopted Kathy Boudin’s “love child” when Ms. Boudin went to jail as an accomplice to murdering a cop and a security guard in the 1982 Brinks Armored Car Robbery. I only mention 1982 because the War in Vietnam had been officailly over for more than 6 years when this occured, when they were “Taking Power To The Man”.
Pieces of Shit, all of them. And of course they used the true cowards way of attacking: use a bomb then you won’t get hurt or dirty or ucky!
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:41:05pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:41:23pm |
re: #717 Walter L. Newton
We’re all getting screwed by G-S.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:42:31pm |
re: #717 Walter L. Newton
Yet, CITI may need more TARP funds to survive…
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
WSJ opinion link…
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:42:58pm |
re: #717 Walter L. Newton
Goldman profit and pay surge in blowout quarter.
(Of course they will be paying big bonuses and salaries, they are using our money)
Goldman set aside $6.65 billion for salary, bonuses and benefits in the quarter, up by nearly half from the quarter ended in May last year.
That puts the average Goldman employee on pace to earn more than $900,000 this year. Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein, senior officers and star traders will likely receive tens of millions of dollars.
[Link: www.reuters.com…]
We are getting screwed, you know that? Avanti, you and your fellow liberals are getting screwed, conservatives are getting screwed, those who wish they voted for Obama and those who didn’t are getting screwed. People are not going to put up with this much longer.
If McCain would have been elected would it have been any better? Granted, a pointless question, as all of the pricks are at some level beholden to Big Money, but really, Walter…
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:43:08pm |
re: #704 avanti
I can’t believe I’m defending a pitch.
Geez- here’s the video I saw - pay attention to the replay near the end - Still from Yahoo - but with a centerfeild view at the end - looks like a shorthop to me.
So, why wasn’t there a proper view from the start - instead of that lame handheld / 3rd base left field line view - a proper centerfield view as is normal?
Count me as umipressed by the one’s first pitch. But he locked mahhhvelous doing it. Isn’t that all that counts for the fans of the one?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:43:49pm |
re: #714 iceweasel
There’s also a gender differential here. We apply different standards to men and women, and women are often called ‘arrogant’ or ‘snotty’ or ‘bitchy’ for behaviour that is lauded or respected in a man —i.e., not suffering fools gladly, being intelligent and competent and not apologising for it, and so on. (“he’s a tough son of a bitch”, e.g.)
I respect anyone, male or female, who have the qualities you mentioned above. Wrong or right, a person who has conviction in their heart are generally more honest than those who are not able to take a stand.
Er, like a whole of politicians in DC.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:44:03pm |
re: #714 iceweasel
There’s also a gender differential here. We apply different standards to men and women, and women are often called ‘arrogant’ or ‘snotty’ or ‘bitchy’ for behaviour that is lauded or respected in a man —i.e., not suffering fools gladly, being intelligent and competent and not apologising for it, and so on. (“he’s a tough son of a bitch”, e.g.)
Absolutely, a double standard. “Tough” is always praise for a man, but you rarely hear it mentioned as a woman’s good quality. I think this goes double where politics is concerned, and maybe quadruple for women in politics who have entered a formerly all-male domain.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:44:15pm |
re: #726 Athos
Geez- here’s the video I saw - pay attention to the replay near the end - Still from Yahoo - but with a centerfeild view at the end - looks like a shorthop to me.
So, why wasn’t there a proper view from the start - instead of that lame handheld / 3rd base left field line view - a proper centerfield view as is normal?
Count me as umipressed by the one’s first pitch. But he locked mahhhvelous doing it. Isn’t that all that counts for the fans of the one?
Will all you refs get together and call this thing right?
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avanti Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:44:18pm |
| 731 |
Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:44:56pm |
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:45:19pm |
Bloomberg Slams Clinton: She Stabbed NYC In Back
Mayor Says Secretary Of State Committed Double Flip-Flop By Exempting Diplomats From Paying Big Apple Property Taxes.
Says $260 Million Already Lost, Sets Bad Precedent For The Future
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Athos Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:45:58pm |
re: #729 Silvergirl
Will all you refs get together and call this thing right?
ROFL - The next argument is that it’s only a $1.7 trillion deficit for the year not $1.85 trillion.
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:46:21pm |
re: #647 Athos
LOL! Well Snowe and Collins were the only Republicans who voted for the Stimulus package - poor Al Franken hadn’t been annoited the victor yet in Minnessota - ACORN was late getting their letter of denial into the MN Secretary of State’s office and Specter hadn’t come out of the closet as a Dem yet; so yeah, we need to go after Collins who’s up for re-election in 2010 and then Snowe whenever she’s up for re-election.
And when I find out who is running against Specter in PA on the Dem Ticket, I’m gonna send him or her some money too. All three should retire from politics RIGHT NOW.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:46:31pm |
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Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:47:11pm |
re: #726 Athos
The One™ looks good and speaks purty. Thats all that matters. Results are overrated.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:47:23pm |
re: #721 realwest
I’ll do you one better, realwest.
Both Ayers and Dohrn are the foster parents of one Chesa Boudin. Boudin’s natural parents are Weather Underground members David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin- both of whom were convicted for their role in the death of two Nyack, NY police officers and a Brink’s guard during a 1981 armoured truck robbery.
I won’t even start on how Ayer’s wee foster red-diaper baby was awarded a fucking Rhodes scholarship in 2002…
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:47:25pm |
For your evening reading pleasure:
No word on whether or not this guy was a naked Republican:
Man caught in the buff at N. Indiana cemetery
And next, a great ending to what could have been a tragedy:
Canadian boy floats unharmed down river on toy truck
VANCOUVER, British Columbia (Reuters) – A Canadian boy celebrating his third birthday was unhurt and apparently unfazed after he floated 12 km (7.8 miles) down a river riding atop his toy truck, police said on Monday.
The boy’s family was camping at a popular park near Fort St. John, in northeastern British Columbia, on Sunday when the boy wandered off unnoticed and somehow entered the nearby Peace River, Royal Canadian Mounted Police said.
The boy’s parents at first thought he was playing with other relatives at the campsite. But police were later alerted and had begun a search when a boater found the boy, and the toy, about 12 km away.
After a nearly two-hour journey down the swift-moving river the boy had no injuries, and was apparently unaware of the danger he had been in.
“He was very excited to see the police,” said RCMP Constable Jackelynn Passarell.
A local news report said the boy also made sure the boater who found him also retrieved the toy truck.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:48:53pm |
re: #725 austin_blue
If McCain would have been elected would it have been any better? Granted, a pointless question, as all of the pricks are at some level beholden to Big Money, but really, Walter…
Wait a minute, My comment was nonpartisan. My comment was about what is happening to you, me, the citizens of this country. The payouts (a better word than bailouts or stimulus) started in the Bush administration. I was all inclusive in my opinion that people of both left or right policy persuasion are going to get screwed.
So, what’s your problem?
(my original comment)
We are getting screwed, you know that? Avanti, you and your fellow liberals are getting screwed, conservatives are getting screwed, those who wish they voted for Obama and those who didn’t are getting screwed. People are not going to put up with this much longer.
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Last Mohican Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:48:59pm |
re: #708 ShanghaiEd
re: #691 Last Mohican
How is passion a bad thing in a public official?
In a Supreme Court justice? I’ll tell you how it’s a bad thing. Her job is to listen to arguments that may be made by people whom she finds disagreeable, and that may run counter to her own personal beliefs, sometimes infuriatingly so. Her job is to listen to those arguments and judge them on their merits, following the rule of law, regardless of her own personal feelings.
Even under the intense spotlight of a nationally televised hearing, she’s visibly fighting the urge to shout at Lindsey Graham “I can’t believe you just asked me that, you goddamned fascist Republican prick.” To be honest, I found some of his questions very irritating too. And she did avoid outright snarkiness very effectively. But I can certainly see traces of the temper that she’s known for having.
And I find your point about gender differences off base. Traces of anger at one’s questioner would be equally unbecoming when manifested by a male SCOTUS nominee. And I use the word “unbecoming” quite deliberately.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:49:42pm |
re: #555 Lynn B.
Thanks for that…I could almost buy that explanation, except for the “wink, wink” way she backtracks. It’s just disturbing.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:52:07pm |
re: #738 reine.de.tout
Avoided the parents’ nightmare. ‘Twas cute how he made sure they rescued his toy truck too.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:52:09pm |
re: #723 iceweasel
We’re all getting screwed by G-S.
And just in general, thanks for your support on these particular items. At times, there can be some agreement.
| 745 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:52:17pm |
India to issue all 1.2 billion citizens with biometric ID cards
What could go wrong?
| 746 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:52:39pm |
re: #738 reine.de.tout
And by the way, how are you this evening?
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:53:52pm |
re: #662 zombie
Well in that case, again as a friend, stay on their asses zombie - if they already have your name and your posts against him have you on their radar, throw enough honest crap about him up and they’ll realize how dangerous it can be to fuck with you. For example, you could post some juicy bits from that linked to by juante in his #651 above!
| 749 |
ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:56:22pm |
re: #725 austin_blue
If McCain would have been elected would it have been any better? Granted, a pointless question, as all of the pricks are at some level beholden to Big Money, but really, Walter…
Yep. Very easy to forget when the bailout actually began, and who declared that the economy was not really in trouble.
| 750 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:56:58pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:56:59pm |
re: #744 Walter L. Newton
And just in general, thanks for your support on these particular items. At times, there can be some agreement.
Absolutely. There are several items we agree on. S-G is certainly one of them.
Some people got angry at me the other night for pointing out that they’re reaping record profits, but to me this is utterly non-partisan: they’re ripping us all off.
| 752 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:57:17pm |
re: #745 Racer X
India to issue all 1.2 billion citizens with biometric ID cards
What could go wrong?
I would love it if this happened here. Easy way to vote under your name and your name only, etc.
Although I wonder what could happen if they got lost.
| 753 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:57:18pm |
re: #676 Athos
Geez - finally saw a video of Obama’s 1st pitch in St. Louis that had a proper angle - he bounced it in. Why am I not surprised.
Of course no one remembers Dubya’s strike at Yankee Stadium a week after 9/11 while wearing a bulletproof vest…
I do and so do you and Dubya.
| 754 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:57:32pm |
re: #738 reine.de.tout
Hi Reine!
I like your second story!
Lucky kiddo!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:58:17pm |
re: #749 ShanghaiEd
Yep. Very easy to forget when the bailout actually began, and who declared that the economy was not really in trouble.
Yea, but I didn’t forget, and in my comment, I wasn’t pinning this problem on either side, Democrats or Republicans. The thrust of my comment was about how we ALL are going to get screwed.
| 756 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:59:13pm |
re: #680 austin_blue
Pujols scooped it up just before it touched down, before it got to home plate.
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Gearhead Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:01:53pm |
He said he left his truck naked to look at the flowers because he did not have his glasses.
Sometimes you just have to stop and smell the roses…
Hold on — He couldn’t see the flowers, but he was driving? Something tells me he has a history of poor decisions, or possibly missed medication.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:03:19pm |
re: #755 Walter L. Newton
Yea, but I didn’t forget, and in my comment, I wasn’t pinning this problem on either side, Democrats or Republicans. The thrust of my comment was about how we ALL are going to get screwed.
We’re all getting screwed and both sides participated (and still are participating). The political elites in our country work with the economic elites (by which I mean moneyed interests like corporations, Wall Street, etc.)
That’s true of both elected Dems and Repubs, and we all get screwed.
| 759 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:03:22pm |
re: #751 iceweasel
Absolutely. There are several items we agree on. S-G is certainly one of them.
Some people got angry at me the other night for pointing out that they’re reaping record profits, but to me this is utterly non-partisan: they’re ripping us all off.
And this “record” profit seems to be too “rich” and sudden. Ok, so they got the money, the Bush administration started the ball rolling and Obama and his team continued it.
But, now it’s the Obama administration who is responsible for the outcomes, and I want to see all that transparency we were promised and G-S should supply a full accounting of how these “profits” were made, and why so much of it should be paid as bonuses.
Call me a rube, a common sense ordinary rube. I don’t care, in my opinion, something stinks about this.
| 760 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:03:24pm |
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:03:44pm |
re: #740 Last Mohican
In a Supreme Court justice? I’ll tell you how it’s a bad thing. Her job is to listen to arguments that may be made by people whom she finds disagreeable, and that may run counter to her own personal beliefs, sometimes infuriatingly so. Her job is to listen to those arguments and judge them on their merits, following the rule of law, regardless of her own personal feelings.
Even under the intense spotlight of a nationally televised hearing, she’s visibly fighting the urge to shout at Lindsey Graham “I can’t believe you just asked me that, you goddamned fascist Republican prick.” To be honest, I found some of his questions very irritating too. And she did avoid outright snarkiness very effectively. But I can certainly see traces of the temper that she’s known for having.
And I find your point about gender differences off base. Traces of anger at one’s questioner would be equally unbecoming when manifested by a male SCOTUS nominee. And I use the word “unbecoming” quite deliberately.
Fair enough. But the fact she’s “fighting the urge” is not a problem for me. We can’t control the genetic hand we’ve been dealt; what counts is our behavior.
| 762 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:04:14pm |
re: #695 zombie
LOL! Your link to “EMail Me” can’t be reached as it’s too busy! LOL!
Don’t open the one from “Manny, E.”!!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:04:39pm |
re: #751 iceweasel
I’d like to politely disagree. G-S isn’t ripping us off, they are a capitalist machine, doing what they are supposed to do. The problem, IMHO is that “we” via the government, threw bag loads of cash at ALL the financial institutions in a panic. We didn’t take the time (Never waste a good crisis!) to figure out, if we even could, which financial institutions had how much in “toxic assets” that needed to be bailed out. So “we” guessed wrong. G-S didn’t need the bailout monies “we” gave them, and they’re making a very nice profit right now. CITI, AIG and others, are in worse straights than expected. G-S is in better condition.
That’s my 2 cents.
Rant off.
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Last Mohican Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:05:08pm |
re: #676 Athos
Of course no one remembers Dubya’s strike at Yankee Stadium a week after 9/11 while wearing a bulletproof vest…
I do. Definitely the best first pitch I’ve ever seen thrown out by a non-athlete at an MLB game, let alone by a U.S. president.
Nevertheless, I really don’t care that Obama’s pitch didn’t quite make it to the plate. As far as I’m concerned, my president can slip off the mound while trying to throw the pitch, accidently flip the ball backwards three feet, and sprain his or her ankle badly while clumsily tumbling toward the plate. I’ll still cheer for him or her, as long as he or she isn’t a racist POS like Obama.
| 765 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:05:50pm |
Ugh, my connection to LGF is completely fucked again. This is getting fucking ridiculous. I’ll be very happy when this shit is over with.
/Flounce
| 766 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:05:51pm |
re: #758 iceweasel
We’re all getting screwed and both sides participated (and still are participating). The political elites in our country work with the economic elites (by which I mean moneyed interests like corporations, Wall Street, etc.)
That’s true of both elected Dems and Repubs, and we all get screwed.
Search my name and the word “plutocracy” on LGF and see how long I have been tooting that horn.
Folks, there is a whole different economy that works for politicians and interested big business, and it’s not the same economy that we have to live under.
Say it slowly, P L U T O C R A C Y.
| 767 |
austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:06:32pm |
re: #756 realwest
Pujols scooped it up just before it touched down, before it got to home plate.
Yes, he did. Let’s lay it to rest, shall we?
| 768 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:07:44pm |
re: #703 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter - how’s things in the Mountain Lair and with the GF?
I THINK what they mean is they’ll surcharge 5.4% of the taxes owed in anyone year. So it’s an effective bump up in taxes for those who already have money!
As I keep saying, the Leftist Elite’s Meme is: “I got mine, screw you.”
| 769 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:08:21pm |
re: #759 Walter L. Newton
And this “record” profit seems to be too “rich” and sudden. Ok, so they got the money, the Bush administration started the ball rolling and Obama and his team continued it.
But, now it’s the Obama administration who is responsible for the outcomes, and I want to see all that transparency we were promised and G-S should supply a full accounting of how these “profits” were made, and why so much of it should be paid as bonuses.
Call me a rube, a common sense ordinary rube. I don’t care, in my opinion, something stinks about this.
I’m with you on this, and I’d never call you a rube. I don’t ever use that word for anyone, come to think of it.
Who could have predicted that having the CEO of G-S oversee a huge bank bail-out would result in record profits for G-S??
In other news, I am shocked, SHOCKED, that gambling is happening at Rick’s.
| 770 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:09:45pm |
re: #765 Killgore Trout
Ugh, my connection to LGF is completely fucked again. This is getting fucking ridiculous. I’ll be very happy when this shit is over with.
/Flounce
And it is interesting. I am now on DSL with Qwest. Comcast doesn’t have service available in this mountain community. And yet, my speed on LGF is BETTER than it was with the highest MBPS that I was buying from Comcast.
And it’s less than half the price.
On top of that, I’m using a wireless card in my HP tower, which in itself, causes a little speed degradation.
I don’t know what the hell is happening with some of the routers around the country, but it is certainly causing a problem for a number of Lizards, like Killgore.
| 771 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:10:43pm |
re: #704 avanti
I can’t believe I’m replying to you either, but your link does say “Albert Pujols(notes) helped him, moving up to scoop the low toss inches off the dirt.”[emphasis added for the Obama Lovers among us, realwest].
| 772 |
jvic Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:12:03pm |
re: #706 Fenway_Nation
And when enough millionaires vote with their feet to negate that 5.4% tax hike, who do they tax next? The ‘thousandaires’?
1. Note that a ‘millionaire’ has become someone whose gross income is above $1M, not someone with $1M in capital.
2. The gap between the rich and the rest of us has widened. IMHO that is for at least two distinct reasons. A) Technology allows high performers to leverage their skills and reap greater rewards than in the past. B) The growth in the size and corruption of government benefits people who embody special interests. I assume that a typical rich person has both qualities in varying proportions.
3. I can picture Congress deciding that it’s time for the Type B’s to pay up for all that special-interest legislation. But that’s a terrible policy: trying to fix one dysfunction by creating another.
4. The international demand for Type A people will continue to increase for the foreseeable future. I’m guessing that ratcheting up taxes will tend to drive the Type A’s offshore and leave us with the Type B parasites.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:12:33pm |
re: #766 Walter L. Newton
Search my name and the word “plutocracy” on LGF and see how long I have been tooting that horn.
Folks, there is a whole different economy that works for politicians and interested big business, and it’s not the same economy that we have to live under.
Say it slowly, P L U T O C R A C Y.
Yep. I’d toot that horn with you anytime, except that sounds a little dirty. You know what I mean.
Interestingly, plutocracy comes from the greek for wealth and also under-earth, the underworld. plutos. There was a tradition among the ancients that things were very cheap in hell. :)
| 774 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:13:32pm |
re: #708 ShanghaiEd
Uh, SE - passion ill becomes a member of the Supreme Court of America. Reading the constitution should arouse enough (non-sexual) passion, as would convincing at least 4 other members of SCOTUS to agree with you.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:14:28pm |
re: #768 realwest
Hi Walter - how’s things in the Mountain Lair and with the GF?…
I am officially here now, in the Secret Mountain Lair. There are a few items in the apartment in Golden, and I have the apartment until the 31st, so, that will be taken care of shortly.
But I’m moved in, and so is 99 percent of my meager personal belongings.
I’m now 28 minutes from work at the theatre in Golden instead of 5 minutes, but it is only 23 miles. And of course it’s so nice up here, especially since I get to share my time with a wonderful person.
Not to mention the three dogs, two cats, an occasional bear or other wildlife, and of course Maisey the Parrot.
Oh, it’s 54 degrees right now. A little warm for this time of night.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:16:11pm |
re: #772 jvic
See what happened to Great Britain in the 1980’s because of this exact scenario! The only problem is, where will the money go? Because it WILL go if it can.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:17:32pm |
re: #769 iceweasel
I’m with you on this, and I’d never call you a rube. I don’t ever use that word for anyone, come to think of it.
Who could have predicted that having the CEO of G-S oversee a huge bank bail-out would result in record profits for G-S??
In other news, I am shocked, SHOCKED, that gambling is happening at Rick’s.
Look, there is around 13 trillion dollars out there that is related to to the various floats and re-insurance investments on various mortgages. Does anyone know what they’re worth? Nope. Is everyone in the banking community still terrified about those instruments? Yes. Any real movement on those instruments? Nope. Stasis. Gridlock.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:17:58pm |
re: #763 Floral Giraffe
I’d like to politely disagree. G-S isn’t ripping us off, they are a capitalist machine, doing what they are supposed to do. The problem, IMHO is that “we” via the government, threw bag loads of cash at ALL the financial institutions in a panic. We didn’t take the time (Never waste a good crisis!) to figure out, if we even could, which financial institutions had how much in “toxic assets” that needed to be bailed out. So “we” guessed wrong. G-S didn’t need the bailout monies “we” gave them, and they’re making a very nice profit right now. CITI, AIG and others, are in worse straights than expected. G-S is in better condition.
That’s my 2 cents.
Rant off.
You’re right, in the sense that all corporations are capitalist machines. This doesn’t absolve G-S from wrong-doing, though.
(BTW, look for G-S to hoover up profits from whatever bastardised version of Cap & Trade limps through the Senate. )
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:18:14pm |
re: #718 ShanghaiEd
Fair enough SE, fair enough.
Though I do confess to having a nasty habit of at least wiking somone who’s written a potentially important article to see if I can discern any bias on the part of the writer, before agreeing (or disagreeing) with it.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:20:58pm |
re: #778 austin_blue
And, just WAIT for the fun to begin in commercial real estate. It’s at LEAST as toxic as housing, and about 2-4 months from implosion…
Tic tic tic…
| 782 |
ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:20:59pm |
re: #755 Walter L. Newton
Yea, but I didn’t forget, and in my comment, I wasn’t pinning this problem on either side, Democrats or Republicans. The thrust of my comment was about how we ALL are going to get screwed.
Amen, to that. I won’t even quibble. :)
| 783 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:24:29pm |
re: #779 iceweasel
You know what’s really funny to me? In 2007, IIRC, my family dumped a boatload of AIG at $92. They just did a reverse split 4-1 at $12 or something. We were SO lucky, it’s frightening. AIG was for many, many years a total “widows & orphans” stock, it was deemed so safe.
GACK!
| 784 |
SixDegrees Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:25:21pm |
re: #3 livefreeor die
I’m surprised I still have a working TV set after watching Feinstein ask her if she thought it was consitutional for a president (i.e., Bush) to sign legislation but say he wouldn’t be held to specific parts of it. (I know there’s a term for it but I can’t recall it right now.)
Signing statements.
The White House - 0bama - issued one just last week, and intends to keep doing so.
| 786 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:28:26pm |
re: #783 Floral Giraffe
You know what’s really funny to me? In 2007, IIRC, my family dumped a boatload of AIG at $92. They just did a reverse split 4-1 at $12 or something. We were SO lucky, it’s frightening. AIG was for many, many years a total “widows & orphans” stock, it was deemed so safe.
GACK!
Isn’t it terrifying???
I lucked out, I have to say, not because I was paying attention but because someone else was. God only knows what would have happened— well, I do know, the IRA would be worth almost nothing.
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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:30:29pm |
re: #759 Walter L. Newton
And this “record” profit seems to be too “rich” and sudden. Ok, so they got the money, the Bush administration started the ball rolling and Obama and his team continued it.
But, now it’s the Obama administration who is responsible for the outcomes, and I want to see all that transparency we were promised and G-S should supply a full accounting of how these “profits” were made, and why so much of it should be paid as bonuses.
Call me a rube, a common sense ordinary rube. I don’t care, in my opinion, something stinks about this.
Then I’m a rube too, Walter. I’m with you a thousand percent, here.
To me, one of the frightening successes of political spin is how big business is automatically the good guy these days, whereas when I was growing up, people were as skeptical of big business as they were of big government. (And for very good reason.)
But now, trying to do anything about G-S and other powerhouses is considered “telling a private company how to run its business,” aka socialism. Certainly can’t raise our voice to criticize, or they’ll go offshore.
Bull. The day they got a dollar of my tax money, they’re no longer a private business. I’m a shareholder, and the government is my proxy.
By the way, have you read the infamous Matt Taibbi article on Goldman Sachs? If so, I’d be interested in your reaction.
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SixDegrees Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:30:39pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Speaking of grilling: Killgore’s blowtorch tuna
Tuna Steaks (1 inch thick)
Marinade: (Ginger, Soy Sauce, lemon juice, rice wine, sesame seed oil)Marinade steaks for 1-2 hours.
Place on grill, Blaze with a hand held propane torch. (30 seconds on each side for medium rare).
Let tuna rest for a few minutes before carving into thin slices.Serve with rice and stir fried veg.
Alton Brown does something like this. He uses one of those charcoal chimney starters, half-filled with charcoal, and puts a small grilling rack right on top of it. It’s like cooking over jet engine. Perfect for things like tuna, where you want a nice sear on the outside but very rare on the inside.
| 789 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:30:52pm |
re: #760 Killgore Trout
ROTFLMAO!! Killgore, PLEASE STOP!
” He was over the pate, a little short but close enough for the catcher to get it. Good work.”
Well what the hell was it - over the plate or a little short, it can’t be both!!
| 790 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:34:38pm |
re: #786 iceweasel
Broker told me I was “making a mistake” when I told him to sell it off.
I was just following the “balancing principles” and we were SO heavy in AIG. I can laugh today, but I would be completely crying if we had still owned all that when it tanked. ( I manage the monies for 3 elders) and the market hasn’t been as bad as it could have been.
| 791 |
ShanghaiEd Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:36:24pm |
re: #789 realwest
ROTFLMAO!! Killgore, PLEASE STOP!
” He was over the pate, a little short but close enough for the catcher to get it. Good work.”
Well what the hell was it - over the plate or a little short, it can’t be both!!
Over the plate, and short of the catcher? Makes sense to me.
| 792 |
realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:36:48pm |
re: #775 Walter L. Newton
Glad to hear that Walter! Just hope Maisey the Parrot is still there when you get home from work tomorrow!
Seriously hope for that!
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realwest Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:37:54pm |
Well y’all I gotta try to get some sleep tonight. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and THAT I GET THE CHANCE to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:38:47pm |
re: #759 Walter L. Newton
re: #787 ShanghaiEd
By the way, have you read the infamous Matt Taibbi article on Goldman Sachs? If so, I’d be interested in your reaction.
Walter— I second Ed here. You would love Taibbi’s stuff— he’s over at trueslant. Did a fantastic article on AIG as well.
Make sure you read the complete Taibbi G-S article; Rolling Stone is still only publishing excerpts. The full version is on zerohedge and the SomethingAwful forums. You could google and find more, probably.
I love Taibbi and he’s been kicking the plutocrats’ asses, and the politicians that enable them (including Obama).
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:39:57pm |
re: #781 Floral Giraffe
And, just WAIT for the fun to begin in commercial real estate. It’s at LEAST as toxic as housing, and about 2-4 months from implosion…
Tic tic tic…
No shit, Sherlock. Thank you for that.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:40:49pm |
re: #790 Floral Giraffe
Broker told me I was “making a mistake” when I told him to sell it off.
I was just following the “balancing principles” and we were SO heavy in AIG. I can laugh today, but I would be completely crying if we had still owned all that when it tanked. ( I manage the monies for 3 elders) and the market hasn’t been as bad as it could have been.
So scary! They were SO lucky they had you watching out for them! And also lucky that you knew enough and were tough enough to ignore the broker!
| 797 |
jvic Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:49:19pm |
re: #758 iceweasel
We’re all getting screwed and both sides participated (and still are participating). The political elites in our country work with the economic elites (by which I mean moneyed interests like corporations, Wall Street, etc.)That’s true of both elected Dems and Repubs, and we all get screwed.
You’re moving toward something I can agree with. Except, rather than talk about who is screwing who, in my dispassionate moments I’ll call the situation a systemic dysfunction.
One word:
Incentives.
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iceweasel Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:34:14am |
re: #797 jvic
You’re moving toward something I can agree with. Except, rather than talk about who is screwing who, in my dispassionate moments I’ll call the situation a systemic dysfunction.
One word:
Incentives.
Another word, Benjamin, just one:
Plastics.
/I agree with the point you’re making, but couldn’t resist the opportunity of responding as I did. I am also making a deeper point than my snark would indicate, in that I’m endorsing your claim that it’s a systemic dysfunction.
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jvic Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:43:33am |
From Ice and Floral in the previous thread:
779 iceweasel 7/14/09 11:17:58 pm reply quotere: #763 Floral Giraffe
I’d like to politely disagree. G-S isn’t ripping us off, they are a capitalist machine, doing what they are supposed to do. The problem, IMHO is that “we” via the government, threw bag loads of cash at ALL the financial institutions in a panic. We didn’t take the time (Never waste a good crisis!) to figure out, if we even could, which financial institutions had how much in “toxic assets” that needed to be bailed out. So “we” guessed wrong. G-S didn’t need the bailout monies “we” gave them, and they’re making a very nice profit right now. CITI, AIG and others, are in worse straights than expected. G-S is in better condition.
That’s my 2 cents.
Rant off.You’re right, in the sense that all corporations are capitalist machines. This doesn’t absolve G-S from wrong-doing, though.
(BTW, look for G-S to hoover up profits from whatever bastardised version of Cap & Trade limps through the Senate.)
I’m more with Floral here, with one critical nuance.
If the politicians write idiotic regulations, I absolutely can’t fault the financial institutions for taking advantage. One can plausibly argue that they have a fiduciary obligation to do so.
The deadly nuance arises when the finance industry lobbies to have the idiotic regulations created for their benefit.
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jvic Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:46:46am |
re: #798 iceweasel
Another word, Benjamin, just one:Plastics.
Hah. It was I who said that to Benjamin… ;-)
Good night, all.
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allanhateme Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:11am |
The uncontrollable blinking during her answer about the Constitution being a living document, shows that she was lying and desperately, in her mind, parsing her words carefully. I know she’ll get confirmed and I know she’s no worse than who she’s replacing, but that doesn’t make it ok.
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FlakMusic Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:53:09am |
“I don’t use labels to describe what I do.”
Translation: hell no I’m not a strict constructionist, and I’d rather not articulate a name what I actually am.
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CJDate Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:39:12am |
What is it about senators that makes them give speeches during these hearings, rather than actually ask questions? Is it because they just like to hear the sound of their own voices, or is it because they are afraid that, in a question and answer session, the nominee will prove that she’s smarter than the senator?
Lindsey Graham, for all his shortcomings, at least was asking questions.
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