Saturday Afternoon Open
Here’s your traditional midday open thread …
Here’s your traditional midday open thread …
1 | CynicalConservative Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:49:52am |
Just a pickling Saturday afternoon.
3 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:50:35am |
4 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:52:05am |
Good Afternoon Lizards!
Lousy day today but the weather for Sunday’s Brickyard 500 will be perfect..
Good racing weather!
How is everyone today?
5 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:52:45am |
re: #4 HoosierHoops
Good Afternoon Lizards!
Lousy day today but the weather for Sunday’s Brickyard500400 will be perfect..
Good racing weather!
How is everyone today?
Jeez
8 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:54:35am |
I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world. - Georges Duhamel
For this thread or the previous?
9 | austin_blue Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:56:56am |
re: #4 HoosierHoops
Good Afternoon Lizards!
Lousy day today but the weather for Sunday’s Brickyard 500 will be perfect..
Good racing weather!
How is everyone today?
I’m a little annoyed. We don’t have cable and it’s on ESPN. Grrr…
11 | CynicalConservative Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:58:17am |
12 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:58:43am |
Excellent, and open thread. Here’s a little tale that has been bugging me for about a month or so. For some reason Firefox was having conniptions with displaying pages and coding. I tried everything, installed the latest version, clearing the cache, the whole nine yards. Nothing. Even had problems loading LGF. Since no one else was complaining about it, I thought my computer was the issue. So I put it on the back burner and surfed the net with *shudder* IE8. Now that was an experience.
So today, I have free time, nothing planned. I sat down and started cleaning up my harddrive and unloading programs. Opened up FF and the problem is still there. So I start playing around with settings, unplugging plugins with no luck. Finally I check the encoding settings. Sure enough the problem has gone bye-bye. At last I can temporarily ditch Internut Exploder for a faster and better browser once again.
13 | Sharmuta Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:58:48am |
Morocco challenges Mideast Holocaust mind-set
From the western edge of the Muslim world, the King of Morocco has dared to tackle one of the most inflammatory issues in the Middle East conflict — the Holocaust.
At a time when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s dismissal of the Holocaust has made the biggest headlines, King Mohammed VI has called the Nazi destruction of the Jews “one of the most tragic chapters of modern history,” and has endorsed a Paris-based program aimed at spreading the word among fellow Muslims.
14 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:58:54am |
re: #9 austin_blue
I’m a little annoyed. We don’t have cable and it’s on ESPN. Grrr…
It is your Right as an American to have ESPN!
This needs to go before the High court…
15 | Racer X Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:59:42am |
Funny watching Zero back-peddling on his “stupid” racist comment. He is way out of his league. He is a salesman who does not know what to do when he has already made the sale.
Here’s a hint: Now is the time for action.
16 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jul 25, 2009 11:59:47am |
Harry Patch, last British WWI soldier, dies at 111
Harry Patch, Britain’s last survivor of the trenches of World War I, was a reluctant soldier who became a powerful eyewitness to the horror of war, and a symbol of a lost generation.Patch, who died Saturday at 111, was wounded in 1917 in the Battle of Passchendaele, which he remembered as “mud, mud and more mud mixed together with blood.”
This follows by just a week or so the death of Harry Allingham, the world’s oldest man and also a World War I veteran. Mr. Allingham was 113.
There has been serious discussion for several years of a full state funeral for whomever turned out to be the last British veteran of the Great War, something normally reserved for reigning monarchs and the most important statesmen. I think they should do that.
18 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:00:42pm |
This has to be seen to be believed. One of my fellow Californians speaking at the Santa Cruz City Council. No wonder CA is in its current state.
19 | haakondahl Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:00:44pm |
Sometimes I think Charles puts up threads like the previous just so that we can blow off steam after days like we’ve had recently. Not like this place isn’t normally steaming like a corner laundry.
20 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:01:04pm |
Iran accused of ‘Zionist’ tactics
Oh, the irony!
21 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:01:26pm |
re: #15 Racer X
Funny watching Zero back-peddling on his “stupid” racist comment. He is way out of his league. He is a salesman who does not know what to do when he has already made the sale.
Here’s a hint: Now is the time for action.
It struck me as an automatic response that came right out of twenty years in Wright’s church.
22 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:02:01pm |
John Cleese - Wine for the Confused
24 | Mithrax Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:02:06pm |
re: #12 BlueCanuck
Excellent, and open thread. Here’s a little tale that has been bugging me for about a month or so. For some reason Firefox was having conniptions with displaying pages and coding. I tried everything, installed the latest version, clearing the cache, the whole nine yards. Nothing. Even had problems loading LGF. Since no one else was complaining about it, I thought my computer was the issue. So I put it on the back burner and surfed the net with *shudder* IE8. Now that was an experience.
So today, I have free time, nothing planned. I sat down and started cleaning up my harddrive and unloading programs. Opened up FF and the problem is still there. So I start playing around with settings, unplugging plugins with no luck. Finally I check the encoding settings. Sure enough the problem has gone bye-bye. At last I can temporarily ditch Internut Exploder for a faster and better browser once again.
WHat did you do, I’m having a similar problem
25 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:02:38pm |
re: #14 HoosierHoops
It is your Right as an American to have ESPN!
This needs to go before the High court…
Well Hoops, this is just what the President is talking about, some have ESPN & some don’t. It’s not fair.
We need reform where we all take a number & wait in line for ESPN.
26 | Sharmuta Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:03:01pm |
re: #13 Sharmuta
Though Moroccan officials say the timing is coincidental, the Holocaust speech came at around the same time that Morocco severed diplomatic relations with Iran, claiming it was infiltrating Shiite Muslim troublemakers into this Sunni nation.
I didn’t realize they’d done that. Good!
27 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:03:38pm |
re: #9 austin_blue
I’m a little annoyed. We don’t have cable and it’s on ESPN. Grrr…
Cable reform bill, affordable cable for everyone!
IT’S A CRISIS!
28 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:04:49pm |
29 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:05:21pm |
re: #25 opnion
Well Hoops, this is just what the President is talking about, some have ESPN & some don’t. It’s not fair.
We need reform where we all take a number & wait in line for ESPN.
LOL
you betcha! The Hoopster vs. The United States
A case to determine if all Americans have the right to ESPN…Holder is arguing for the people…
/hope you are well
30 | Racer X Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:05:43pm |
re: #21 debutaunt
It struck me as an automatic response that came right out of twenty years in Wright’s church.
Exactly!
32 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:05:54pm |
re: #13 Sharmuta
Well, he just hung a target on himself. But, good on you, Your Highness.
33 | Sharmuta Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:06:05pm |
Jews have lived in Morocco for 2,000 years. Their numbers swelled after they were expelled from Spain in 1492, and reached 300,000 before World War II, when yet more fled the German occupation and found refuge in Morocco, then a French colony.Today they number just 3,000, most having emigrated to France, North America or Israel, but they are free to come back to explore their roots, pray at their ancestors’ graves and even settle here.
Simon Levy heads the Jewish Museum in Casablanca, a treasure trove of old Torah scrolls, garments and jewelry illustrating the rich culture of Moroccan Jewry.
“That I still run the only Jewish museum in the Arab world is telling,” he said.
Andre Azoulay, a top adviser to the current king, is Jewish and one of six members of the king’s council in a monarchy that oversees all major decisions. Considered one of Morocco’s most powerful men, he views his country as “a unique case” for the intensity of its Jewish-Muslim relations. “We don’t mix up Judaism and the tragedy of the Middle East,” he told The Associated Press in an interview.
I wish Morocco well with this initiative. It has to start somewhere, and I’m glad to see it’s been taken up.
34 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:06:28pm |
re: #21 debutaunt
That’s the 800 lb gorilla everyone’s been ignoring.
35 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:06:36pm |
re: #19 haakondahl
Sometimes I think Charles puts up threads like the previous just so that we can blow off steam after days like we’ve had recently. Not like this place isn’t normally steaming like a corner laundry.
Yeah baby, there have been some real dust ups over real controversial issues & some not so much.
We even had one over Chicago style pizza vs New York Pizza.
It should be obvious that if you can fold it, it’s not pizza, it’s a sandwich. I mean, Chicago wins.
36 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:06:36pm |
re: #24 Mithrax
WHat did you do, I’m having a similar problem
go into view and select character encoding. It should be a western ISO. Also check your customize list to see if anything else is loaded up into it and remove all but the western ISO
37 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:06:39pm |
38 | Mithrax Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:07:31pm |
re: #36 BlueCanuck
go into view and select character encoding. It should be a western ISO. Also check your customize list to see if anything else is loaded up into it and remove all but the western ISO
Thanks. Giving it a shot now.
39 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:07:46pm |
re: #21 debutaunt
It struck me as an automatic response that came right out of twenty years in Wright’s church.
The mask slipped…
40 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:08:12pm |
re: #37 HoosierHoops
I am so sensitive after the past two days that I had to read your twice, thinking there might be some hidden meaning.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and a beer is a drink.
Sigh.
41 | Mithrax Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:08:19pm |
re: #36 BlueCanuck
go into view and select character encoding. It should be a western ISO. Also check your customize list to see if anything else is loaded up into it and remove all but the western ISO
Holy crap. Major, marked improvement. You sir, can have my babies!
42 | dwells38 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:08:22pm |
re: #13 Sharmuta
It’s a ray of light but of course farter down in the article while acknowledging it happened (which is better than dinner jacket) a Gaza leader had to compare systematic incineration with their own self-inflicted situation.
Did the Nazis take 60 years to kill 6 million jews? If theirs is comparable then why are there more Palestinian “holocaust” victims now than when this supposed “holocaust” started? It’s not because the Israelis do not have the know-how or ability.
43 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:08:29pm |
re: #36 BlueCanuck
go into view and select character encoding. It should be a western ISO. Also check your customize list to see if anything else is loaded up into it and remove all but the western ISO
RACIST!
You need the diversity!
///
44 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:08:30pm |
Obama: ‘Victory’ Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan
“I’m always worried about using the word ‘victory,’ because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur,” Obama told ABC News.
/student of history or defeatist moron?
46 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:09:41pm |
re: #40 calcajun
I am so sensitive after the past two days that I had to read your twice, thinking there might be some hidden meaning.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and a beer is a drink.
Sigh.
…and a sigh is just a sigh…
47 | dwells38 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:10:01pm |
48 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:10:21pm |
re: #44 Killian Bundy
He did not say that, did he? Give this man a history book, please.
50 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:11:07pm |
re: #29 HoosierHoops
LOL
you betcha! The Hoopster vs. The United States
A case to determine if all Americans have the right to ESPN…Holder is arguing for the people…
/hope you are well
Doing well & I hope that you are as well.
One other thing, if one household has bad ESPN reception , then the government should foul up everybodys signal.
51 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:11:58pm |
52 | Kosh's Shadow Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:12:11pm |
53 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:12:21pm |
re: #50 opnion
Doing well & I hope that you are as well.
One other thing, if one household has bad ESPN reception , then the government should foul up everybodys signal.
Spread the cable around!
What about us poor shulbs who still have wabbit ears!
54 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:12:37pm |
re: #44 Killian Bundy
Obama: ‘Victory’ Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan
/student of history or defeatist moron?
Hmmm, let me think
55 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:13:45pm |
re: #41 Mithrax
Holy crap. Major, marked improvement. You sir, can have my babies!
Now that would be one for the science text books sir. :)
56 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:14:18pm |
re: #53 jcm
Spread the cable around!
What about us poor shulbs who still have wabbit ears!
Whaaat! When the Dear Leader finds out , we will all be rquired to use rabbit ears. Not the White House of course
57 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:14:33pm |
re: #53 jcm
Spread the cable around!
What about us poor shulbs who still have wabbit ears!
Do you know who invented rabbit ears?
58 | mad_scientist Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:14:55pm |
Why, oh why must the pharmacy always be so damn busy!!! Dont they know I need my blogging/lurking time?
59 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:14:55pm |
60 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:15:43pm |
re: #57 BignJames
Do you know who invented rabbit ears?
I’m afraid to ask but here it goes
Okay, who invented rabbit ears?
61 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:16:00pm |
Yes, and I know how to do an internet search.
62 | Randall Gross Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:16:15pm |
re: #12 BlueCanuck
Excellent, and open thread. Here’s a little tale that has been bugging me for about a month or so. For some reason Firefox was having conniptions with displaying pages and coding. I tried everything, installed the latest version, clearing the cache, the whole nine yards. Nothing. Even had problems loading LGF. Since no one else was complaining about it, I thought my computer was the issue. So I put it on the back burner and surfed the net with *shudder* IE8. Now that was an experience.
So today, I have free time, nothing planned. I sat down and started cleaning up my harddrive and unloading programs. Opened up FF and the problem is still there. So I start playing around with settings, unplugging plugins with no luck. Finally I check the encoding settings. Sure enough the problem has gone bye-bye. At last I can temporarily ditch Internut Exploder for a faster and better browser once again.
So tell us what you changed, that’s hit me on rare occasions as well
63 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:16:15pm |
64 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:16:18pm |
re: #48 calcajun
He did not say that, did he? Give this man a history book, please.
How about when BHO talked about the evil doctor pulling out your kids tosils , when he just had a sore throat?
65 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:16:49pm |
re: #60 jcm
I’m afraid to ask but here it goes
Okay, who invented rabbit ears?
How does a sorority girl hold her oh, never mind.
66 | razorbacker Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:16:53pm |
re: #53 jcm
Spread the cable around!
What about us poor shulbs who still have wabbit ears!
Interesting note on the digital TV conversion.
The digital signal does not carry as far as did the analog signal. So those on the edge of the old signal now do not get television at all, without going to cable or satellite.
My brother went from getting eight channels to getting one.
67 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:16:58pm |
re: #60 jcm
I’m afraid to ask but here it goes
Okay, who invented rabbit ears?
Marvin Middlemark Invents TV Rabbit Ears
68 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:17:07pm |
This is a pretty cool depiction of what’s on TV in the universe.
69 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:17:15pm |
re: #64 opnion
How about when BHO talked about the evil doctor pulling out your kids tosils , when he just had a sore throat?
Huh?
70 | dwells38 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:17:25pm |
re: #44 Killian Bundy
Oh I see. We are in a War on Terror after all. We just don’t want to win it because of the negative imperial imagery it carries. Although ironically the example he gives (that he wants to avoid) is our defeating an emporer in a just war of defense.
How exactly does this nuanced position translate to our guys getting their asses shot off I wonder?
71 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:17:42pm |
re: #64 opnion
How about when BHO talked about the evil doctor pulling out your kids tosils , when he just had a sore throat?
TONSILS
72 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:17:47pm |
re: #60 jcm
I’m afraid to ask but here it goes
Okay, who invented rabbit ears?
Karsten Solheim…the developer of “Ping” golf clubs…ok…trivia lesson over…I’m just a font of useless information.
73 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:18:01pm |
re: #44 Killian Bundy
Obama: ‘Victory’ Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan
/student of history or defeatist moron?
Don’t you know anything!? It was on the aircraft carrier Missouri!
/ Al Gore.
74 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:18:56pm |
re: #72 BignJames
Karsten Solheim…the developer of “Ping” golf clubs…ok…trivia lesson over…I’m just a font of useless information.
Are you kidding? Ping makes the best clubs!
I did not know that
75 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:19:07pm |
re: #64 opnion
How about when BHO talked about the evil doctor pulling out your kids tosils , when he just had a sore throat?
/or stupid police, guy’s on a roll Bush would envy
76 | austin_blue Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:19:08pm |
re: #66 razorbacker
Interesting note on the digital TV conversion.
The digital signal does not carry as far as did the analog signal. So those on the edge of the old signal now do not get television at all, without going to cable or satellite.
My brother went from getting eight channels to getting one.
I believe some of the new HD antennas come with signal boosters to get around that. I think mine cost about $50.00. I love that I get full Dolby 5.1 with the signal now.
77 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:20:04pm |
re: #69 MandyManners
Huh?
Mandy, he did that during his Healthcare reform press conference.
He used that as an example of a doctor scamming for higher reimbursement.
That was before he made his contribution to better race relations.
78 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:20:25pm |
re: #74 HoosierHoops
Are you kidding? Ping makes the best clubs!
I did not know that
Yep…I’m a Ping player myself…irons and putter.
79 | jjmckay1216 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:20:29pm |
HH,
try atdhe.net. they do free live sports
80 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:20:59pm |
re: #65 MandyManners
…and just when I think it’s OK for my 15 year-old son to look on here and see what we talk about…
81 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:21:29pm |
re: #77 opnion
Mandy, he did that during his Healthcare reform press conference.
He used that as an example of a doctor scamming for higher reimbursement.
That was before he made his contribution to better race relations.
He actually said a doctor would force a patient to undergo unneccessary surgery??
83 | CynicalConservative Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:22:09pm |
84 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:22:29pm |
re: #75 Killian Bundy
/or stupid police, guy’s on a roll Bush would envy
Ya know as inappropriate as his comments were about the Cambridge Police , it did take the focus away from his incoherent answers on health reform.
85 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:22:31pm |
re: #70 dwells38
How exactly does this nuanced position translate to our guys getting their asses shot off I wonder?
That’s an excellent question.
/he’s obviously looking for the exit door, just hasn’t decided on how many more American lives to sacrifice before finally pulling the plug
86 | austin_blue Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:22:34pm |
Jeez. Already 100 at 2:00. She Who Must be Obeyed and I are going off to see the new Potter flick at the Alamo Drafthouse South. Good food, good beer, no screaming children.
BBIAB.
88 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:23:12pm |
re: #81 MandyManners
He actually said a doctor would force a patient to undergo unneccessary surgery??
Absolutely.
89 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:23:17pm |
re: #81 MandyManners
He actually said a doctor would force a patient to undergo unneccessary surgery??
For profit…
90 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:24:32pm |
91 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:24:43pm |
re: #81 MandyManners
He actually said a doctor would force a patient to undergo unneccessary surgery??
He said that the doctor would look at the fee schedules and since a tonsillectomy has a reimbursement rate would opt for that to make more of a profit.
Oh, and never mind that 9 times out of 10 it’s going to be the primary care physician that makes the recommendation and someone else that would perform the surgery (and get the profit).
Let’s demonize the doctors…yeah, that’s a good idea.
92 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:25:15pm |
re: #81 MandyManners
He actually said a doctor would force a patient to undergo unneccessary surgery??
93 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:25:18pm |
94 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:25:32pm |
re: #91 Pianobuff
He said that the doctor would look at the fee schedules and since a tonsillectomy has a higher reimbursement rate would opt for that to make more of a profit.
Oh, and never mind that 9 times out of 10 it’s going to be the primary care physician that makes the recommendation and someone else that would perform the surgery (and get the profit).
Let’s demonize the doctors…yeah, that’s a good idea.
See bold for what I meant to say.
97 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:25:38pm |
re: #89 jcm
For profit…
Those darned doctors need to be taught a nice socialistic lesson, but first, someone come up with a crazy-assed exaggeration.
98 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:26:31pm |
99 | snowcrash Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:27:20pm |
Anyone watch Torchwood on BBC America last night? Sci Fi 5 part miniseries. I missed episodes 1 and 2 but they are repeating all episodes on Sunday. BBC does a much better job with original sci fi than the SyFy channel.
100 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:27:39pm |
re: #91 Pianobuff
He said that the doctor would look at the fee schedules and since a tonsillectomy has a reimbursement rate would opt for that to make more of a profit.
Oh, and never mind that 9 times out of 10 it’s going to be the primary care physician that makes the recommendation and someone else that would perform the surgery (and get the profit).
Let’s demonize the doctors…yeah, that’s a good idea.
If I were a surgeon I’d be tempted to send him the next pair of tonsils I removed.
101 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:27:41pm |
102 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:28:04pm |
re: #91 Pianobuff
He said that the doctor would look at the fee schedules and since a tonsillectomy has a reimbursement rate would opt for that to make more of a profit.
Oh, and never mind that 9 times out of 10 it’s going to be the primary care physician that makes the recommendation and someone else that would perform the surgery (and get the profit).
Let’s demonize the doctors…yeah, that’s a good idea.
Exactly, the PC refers for surgery.
The only way that his example works at all, is if you took your kid to a surgeon for a sore throat.
103 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:28:10pm |
re: #91 Pianobuff
Let’s demonize the doctors…yeah, that’s a good idea.
Well who do you suggest we demonize?
104 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:29:11pm |
re: #99 snowcrash
I think it went into a couple of seasons as well. Friends of mine were hooked on it and would get together Friday nights to watch the new Doctor Who and Torchwood. That was last year, so I don’t know if it’s still in production or not.
105 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:29:21pm |
106 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:29:26pm |
re: #98 MandyManners
Why didn’t the AMA go bat-shit crazy on his sorry ass?
Just a guess, but the AMA is either too intimidated or the decision makers have something to gain by going along with this (or both). Your call.
107 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:29:40pm |
re: #98 MandyManners
Why didn’t the AMA go bat-shit crazy on his sorry ass?
They do need to issue a statement. Barry seems to think that they are all Doctor Mengele..(sp)
108 | wrenchwench Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:30:27pm |
re: #45 The Curmudgeon
In before #100.
But only once. Slacker.
Nice blog you have there. I’ll never have time to read it all.
109 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:30:33pm |
110 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:30:49pm |
re: #98 MandyManners
Why didn’t the AMA go bat-shit crazy on his sorry ass?
111 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:31:19pm |
I think the AMA is hoping o will up the reimbursements for Medicare/Medicaid.
112 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:31:37pm |
re: #109 Pianobuff
I wasn’t suggesting anyone be demonized.
C’mon. I have my picket signs all made up and just need to add the name.
113 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:32:45pm |
re: #111 J.D.
I think the AMA is hoping o will up the reimbursements for Medicare/Medicaid.
We have a doctor shortage now, especially PC’s.
If we get Obamacare there will be a lot less med students.
114 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:33:15pm |
re: #13 Sharmuta
Way to go. I love Moroccan food, and now I’m having very kind thoughts about their leadership.
115 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:33:22pm |
He is actually saying that a doctor would subject a child to the dangers of anesthesia and infection just to make more money?
That says a lot about him.
116 | opnion Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:33:46pm |
See ya fun seekeers, the dog is sneering at me. I think that he wants a walk.
117 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:34:29pm |
re: #110 jcm
Oh, I knew that. I just am stunned that the AMA would not at least issue a press release or something.
118 | Sharmuta Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:35:02pm |
re: #109 Pianobuff
I wasn’t suggesting anyone be demonized.
It’s really not a good tactic anyways. I think it’s a tactic better left to the intellectually dishonest and fringe.
119 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:35:03pm |
re: #109 Pianobuff
I wasn’t suggesting anyone be demonized.
I was being sarcy, sorry. I’m comedically narcissistic: I think everybody understands when I’m sarc.
So now that you know I’m being a smart azz: WHO DO YOU SUGGEST WE DEMONIZE!!!
121 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:36:34pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
Oh, I knew that. I just am stunned that the AMA would not at least issue a press release or something.
You mean act like the Cambridge PD?
122 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:36:35pm |
Since we’re talking about healthcare, I’ll throw a top-of-mind prediction out there…
If Obamacare passes with a public plan, the next public health emergency we’ll hear about is “not enough doctors”. Assuming Obama has some level of popularity, he will use this crisis to make a case for some sort of government education of up and coming doctors. The doctors, in exchange for a free education, will be government serfs, essentially in the employ of the U.S.A. for 10, 20, 30…who knows how many years.
Cradle-to-grave co-dependency if you will…
I hope I’m wrong about this, so feel free to fire away.
124 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:37:22pm |
re: #119 BigPapa
I was being sarcy, sorry. I’m comedically narcissistic: I think everybody understands when I’m sarc.
So now that you know I’m being a smart azz: WHO DO YOU SUGGEST WE DEMONIZE!!!
Missed the sarc, but got it now. LOL.
126 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:37:34pm |
128 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:38:03pm |
re: #93 BignJames
Well, he does have a law degree…sorry Killian.
Hey, some of us are offended that he does. It is still very odd for me that he was editor of the Harvard Law Review and never published an article.
129 | horse Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:38:27pm |
re: #99 snowcrash
Anyone watch Torchwood on BBC America last night? Sci Fi 5 part miniseries. I missed episodes 1 and 2 but they are repeating all episodes on Sunday. BBC does a much better job with original sci fi than the SyFy channel.
The whole SyFy for Gen y re-branding is going to be annoying. Look for their new shows to have a bunch of 20 year olds playing roles and positions that in real life would be filled with 30 and 40 year olds. The new Stargate series will have a 26 year-old playing a master sergeant. Watching this channel in the future is going to make me feel old.
130 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:38:42pm |
131 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:39:13pm |
re: #113 opnion
We have a doctor shortage now, especially PC’s.
If we get Obamacare there will be a lot less med students.
Oh! I think the AMA is kidding themselves. There are A LOT of medical groups that aren’t inclined the way the AMA claims to be.
I have a son that just finished med school and has just started his 7-year residency that precedes the fellowship he will do in year 8. Oh, and they can work him 84 hours/wk. for less than $45,000/yr. Then there’s the money he owes for med school tuition, and Krauthammer says he would be paying $200,000/yr. in medical malpractice insurance if he was in private practice today. His mentor (L.A. pediatric neurosurgeon) says he pays $250,000/yr.
Not to mention it is a long hard road.
132 | Macker Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:39:23pm |
re: #129 horse
The whole SyFy for Gen y re-branding is going to be annoying. Look for their new shows to have a bunch of 20 year olds playing roles and positions that in real life would be filled with 30 and 40 year olds. The new Stargate series will have a 26 year-old playing a master sergeant. Watching this channel in the future is going to make me feel old.
It’ll always be Skiffy to me.
133 | The Curmudgeon Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:39:59pm |
re: #108 wrenchwench
Nice blog you have there. I’ll never have time to read it all.
Thanks. I really don’t have time to read it either.
134 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:40:00pm |
re: #130 calcajun
Better get that treated while you can!
Be careful that the doc doesn’t remove something more expensive.
135 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:40:04pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
Oh, I knew that. I just am stunned that the AMA would not at least issue a press release or something.
AMA backing this load of crap shouldn’t surprise me, but it does. They went left a long time ago.
137 | dwells38 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:42:48pm |
re: #120 swamprat
You mean great as in a whole lot funnier in the first version, right?
138 | Sharmuta Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:43:07pm |
I’m researching anti-intellectualism, and I’m wondering if anyone has any good links or names they could share.
Thanks.
139 | horse Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:43:08pm |
re: #103 BigPapa
Well who do you suggest we demonize?
Since they will eliminate the insurance companies, the only people left with some degree of independent power and influence are the doctors, so the docs must be brought down to toe the government’s line. It’s all about centralizing power in the federal government; no other power centers will be tolerated.
140 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:43:12pm |
Marvin P. Middlemark invented the Rabbit Ears television Antenna in 1956 in Rego Park, Queens, New York.
141 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:43:21pm |
…The AMA’s endorsement seems to have been purchased not with principle, but with money — a promise by Democrat supporters of HR 3200 (”America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009″) to make the formula according to which doctors are reimbursed for performing procedures for Medicare patients, more favorable to the doctors. Rather than fight on the merits to improve the Medicare reimbursement system, even as they should be opposing the many other provisions of this legislation that injects massive doses of government control into the practice of medicine in the U.S., AMA’s leaders decided to sell out their members, and take the promise of a little money and run. …
142 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:43:22pm |
re: #131 J.D.
So why would anybody be a doctor any more? According to Obama they’re just greedy.
143 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:44:47pm |
re: #136 J.D.
I believe it already exists.
I’m not sure we’re quite yet in a crisis stage, but many expect there to be one shortly or at least in the next 10 years. My comments were less about trends in doctor numbers and more about “not letting a good crisis go to waste” as Rahm likes to say.
144 | dwells38 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:45:02pm |
re: #126 callahan23
Leave it to me to get updinged only when my post becomes an inadvertant fart joke. Oh well I’ll take whatever I can get :)
145 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:47:36pm |
re: #107 opnion
They do need to issue a statement. Barry seems to think that they are all Doctor Mengele..(sp)
I’m having a little trouble following this story; my understanding of it is that the fraudulent reimbursements being discussed (tonsilectomy versus appropriate, cheaper treatment) were perpetrated against an insurance company.
If so, I’ll point out that insurance companies spend a great deal of effort tracking down fraud, and have an extremely good motive for doing so: profit. There’s no doubt that medical fraud takes place. But so does the battle against it.
Does 0 think that such fraud won’t occur when such programs are run by the government? How did he arrive at that conclusion? How do medical fraud rates against programs already run by the government - VA medical services, Medicare, Medicaid, for example - compare to similar frauds perpetrated against private insurers? I’d be willing to bet that the private sector rate is considerably lower.
Also, does 0 propose to completely eliminate such fraud? How? What justification does he offer to support such a proposal?
Who is he aiming this shit at, anyway?
146 | wahabicorridor Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:47:51pm |
re: #122 Pianobuff
Someone - americanthinker maybe - had a story up the other day about the current bill being hustled carrying language for med school education to ‘underrepresented minorities’.
Not loans, mind you, grants. They don’t get paid back.
147 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:48:37pm |
re: #143 Pianobuff
I’m not sure we’re quite yet in a crisis stage, but many expect there to be one shortly or at least in the next 10 years. My comments were less about trends in doctor numbers and more about “not letting a good crisis go to waste” as Rahm likes to say.
/let’s spend a lot of money we don’t have!
148 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:49:17pm |
re: #146 wahabicorridor
Someone - americanthinker maybe - had a story up the other day about the current bill being hustled carrying language for med school education to ‘underrepresented minorities’.
Not loans, mind you, grants. They don’t get paid back.
Interesting. Guess I’m two beats behind. I’ll try to find this later today. Thanks.
149 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:49:34pm |
re: #142 BigPapa
So why would anybody be a doctor any more? According to Obama they’re just greedy.
Well, my son wants to try to help improve the lives of children who need a neurosurgeon.
That’s all. Honest.
We all saw what Obama is really made of just a couple of days ago.
He’s got a lot to learn. If only he would shut up.
150 | Wendya Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:50:40pm |
re: #44 Killian Bundy
Obama: ‘Victory’ Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan
/student of history or defeatist moron?
The most intelligent President we’ve ever had.
/
151 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:50:50pm |
re: #149 J.D.
We all saw what Obama is really made of just a couple of days ago.
He’s got a lot to learn. If only he would shut up.
But he won. Why should he?
152 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:50:52pm |
re: #138 Sharmuta
I’m researching anti-intellectualism, and I’m wondering if anyone has any good links or names they could share.
Thanks.
Not really of individuals but of a whole nation on the example of Germany. Technophobia at it’s worst.
A neat article by Newsweek on ‘Germany’s Technophobia is holding it back’.
153 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:51:02pm |
re: #149 J.D.
Well, my son wants to try to help improve the lives of children who need a neurosurgeon.
That’s all. Honest.
We all saw what Obama is really made of just a couple of days ago.
He’s got a lot to learn. If only he would shut up.
The government should not be deciding how much he should be paid.
154 | wahabicorridor Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:51:24pm |
re: #149 J.D.
give your son a hug for me. I’ve had three operations on my brain. The things those docs do are just friggin’ amazing. My doc saved my life. 3 times.
155 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:51:32pm |
re: #99 snowcrash
Anyone watch Torchwood on BBC America last night? Sci Fi 5 part miniseries. I missed episodes 1 and 2 but they are repeating all episodes on Sunday. BBC does a much better job with original sci fi than the SyFy channel.
Good to know. I missed the announcement of the original broadcast; I’ll put this on the recorder.
Torchwood has gotten tremendous buzz in England. It’s a spinoff of the newly revived Doctor Who series.
Note that the main character is openly bisexual, if such things matter to anyone.
156 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:51:36pm |
re: #143 Pianobuff
Well, of course you can join the armed forces and they will fund you, or you can commit to working in an area where they have a shortage of doctors and they will fund that, usually family doctors.
157 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:51:51pm |
re: #142 BigPapa
So why would anybody be a doctor any more? According to Obama they’re just greedy.
1st chapter of Goldwater’s Conscience of a Conservative. Liberals only consider the material, not the in-material / spiritual. They don’t consider a person’s calling or desires what they’d like to do in the equation.
I was a firefighter, on the surface, the risk to cost ratio is insane, but ask a firefighter, its the greatest job in the world, and has nothing to do with financial compensation.
158 | dapperdave Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:53:14pm |
re: #151 BlueCanuck
I think there’s a proverb out there that says “a fool is perceived wise when he keeps his mouth shut”.
159 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:53:49pm |
re: #151 BlueCanuck
But he won. Why should he?
Well it can’t have been a “teachable” moment if he doesn’t shut up long enough to listen and learn.
160 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:54:17pm |
re: #157 jcm
1st chapter of Goldwater’s Conscience of a Conservative. Liberals only consider the material, not the in-material / spiritual. They don’t consider a person’s calling or desires what they’d like to do in the equation.
I was a firefighter, on the surface, the risk to cost ratio is insane, but ask a firefighter, its the greatest job in the world, and has nothing to do with financial compensation.
That must be a big reason for volunteer fire departments. I grew up in a small town with excellent all volunteer coverage.
161 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:54:41pm |
Well… Gates has agreed to have a beer with Obama/Crowley
AFAIK, no word from Crowley yet.
What kind of beer will they have? “Hops and Change”?
162 | Wendya Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:55:29pm |
re: #48 calcajun
He did not say that, did he? Give this man a history book, please.
Hell, he can watch the whole thing on youtube.
163 | dwells38 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:55:47pm |
re: #158 dapperdave
I like “Better to remain silent and be presumed a fool than to open your mouth and remove all certainty”. Or something like that.
164 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:55:54pm |
re: #158 dapperdave
I think there’s a proverb out there that says “a fool is perceived wise when he keeps his mouth shut”.
I was told by my Grandmother, “Their is a reason God gave you two ears and only one mouth, you should listen twice as much as you talk.
165 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:56:04pm |
re: #159 J.D.
Well it can’t have been a “teachable” moment if he doesn’t shut up long enough to listen and learn.
Unfortunately he thinks he’s the teacher not the student. Doubt much will change. Just watch as he slowly alienates his entire base by such foolish endeavours.
166 | dwells38 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:58:29pm |
re: #163 dwells38
Remove all doubt that is.
OK screwing up every other post means I’m supposed to go do something productive now.
167 | Sharmuta Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:58:31pm |
re: #152 callahan23
Not really of individuals but of a whole nation on the example of Germany. Technophobia at it’s worst.
A neat article by Newsweek on ‘Germany’s Technophobia is holding it back’.
Thanks! I was just reading a piece about anti-intellectualism on both the left and the right. The author focused a bit more on the right, but did mention PETA and some environmentalists, so that’s very interesting to see the extent left-wing anti-intellectualism is having somewhere. (I would include anti-vaxers, but that seems to be a bi-partisan effort).
168 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:58:54pm |
re: #156 J.D.
Well, of course you can join the armed forces and they will fund you, or you can commit to working in an area where they have a shortage of doctors and they will fund that, usually family doctors.
True that is, although I tend to look at military service a little bit differently from most other lines of work, don’t you?
Vis a vis your second point, if it is deemed that there is a shortage of doctors everywhere what would that portend?
169 | dapperdave Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:59:23pm |
170 | Taqyia2Me Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:00:16pm |
The AMA and the ABA do not represent anywhere near ALL doctors and lawyers, but the narrative says they do.
171 | wahabicorridor Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:01:39pm |
Oooh, GOOD one
Dalrymple on
A Modern Witch Trial
Racism: the charge against which there is no defense
But the Lawrence murder took on a wide social significance because of its racial overtones. The botched investigation became a cause célèbre—the presumption being that racism alone could explain the police’s failure to bring the perpetrators to justice—
[ ]
This year, on the tenth anniversary of the report, the press and professional criminologists are celebrating it for, as one put it, bringing about a “paradigm shift” in the sensitivities of British police about “diversity”—police now think about race all the time, it seems. The report’s real effect, however, was to demoralize further an already demoralized police force, which, immediately after the report appeared, retreated from stopping or searching people behaving suspiciously and watched street robberies increase 50 percent.
Thanks Obama, you flaming asshole
172 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:02:13pm |
re: #153 debutaunt
The government should not be deciding how much he should be paid.
He doesn’t want to be paid with a government check, that is for sure!
173 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:02:39pm |
re: #170 Taqyia2Me
The AMA and the ABA do not represent anywhere near ALL doctors and lawyers, but the narrative says they do.
I thought I heard that only 17% of Doctors belong to the AMA. Is that about right?
174 | mikalm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:02:43pm |
re: #18 Pianobuff
Santa Cruz? Figures. I have a feeling that young lady took some immense bong hits before delivering that utterly incoherent spiel.
175 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:02:56pm |
CBO deals new blow to health plan
But on Saturday, the Congressional Budget Office said the proposal to give an independent panel the power to keep Medicare spending in check would only save about $2 billion over 10 years- a drop in the bucket compared to the bill’s $1 trillion price tag.
/but hey, look at the bright side, you get to wait longer for lower quality care
176 | JHW Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:02:58pm |
re: #138 Sharmuta
I’m researching anti-intellectualism, and I’m wondering if anyone has any good links or names they could share.
Thanks.
I don’t know if this is quite what you’re looking for, but it’s a beautifully written critique of the environmental movement, with a dissection of its quasi-religious overtones.
In a Dark Wood
177 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:04:41pm |
re: #170 Taqyia2Me
The AMA and the ABA do not represent anywhere near ALL doctors and lawyers, but the narrative says they do.
/I shredded my ABA card a couple years ago
178 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:04:49pm |
re: #167 Sharmuta
Thanks! I was just reading a piece about anti-intellectualism on both the left and the right. The author focused a bit more on the right, but did mention PETA and some environmentalists, so that’s very interesting to see the extent left-wing anti-intellectualism is having somewhere. (I would include anti-vaxers, but that seems to be a bi-partisan effort).
Just a personal note: I must acknowledge the ‘fact’ that some of my, particularly elderly pupils won’t attend my computer classes as they are “allergic” to computers and their “rays”. I teach immigrants integrating into the job-market, btw.
That is ‘old Europe’ for y’all.
180 | Taqyia2Me Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:06:56pm |
re: #173 n in wi
I thought I heard that only 17% of Doctors belong to the AMA. Is that about right?
I think so…I have not found the link to that info…
181 | NelsFree Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:06:59pm |
re: #26 Sharmuta
I didn’t realize they’d done that. Good!
Meanwhile, Morocco enforces a law punishing anyone trying to convert a Muslim with five years in jail.
[Link: riadzany.blogspot.com…]
Morocco’s Secretary of State. ABBAS EL FASSI: Islam gives freedom to other religions to practice. But we do not accept other religions coming here to try to convert Muslims.
Business as usual…
182 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:07:42pm |
re: #154 wahabicorridor
give your son a hug for me. I’ve had three operations on my brain. The things those docs do are just friggin’ amazing. My doc saved my life. 3 times.
Wow! That is fabulous!
I will give him a hug for you. Try to keep him encouraged!
He’s suggested I read When the Air Hits Your Brain: Tales from Neurosurgery. Which reminds me I need to order it.
183 | swamprat Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:07:43pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
Oh, I knew that. I just am stunned that the AMA would not at least issue a press release or something.
They welcome their new government overlords.
184 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:08:44pm |
re: #161 Pianobuff
Well… Gates has agreed to have a beer with Obama/Crowley
AFAIK, no word from Crowley yet.
What kind of beer will they have? “Hops and Change”?
As reported in the article you linked to, Crowley suggested this idea.
186 | swamprat Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:12:27pm |
re: #184 JustMyView
As reported in the article you linked to, Crowley suggested this idea.
Beer? Seems more like a wine person.
/favorite wine;
I am being oppressed!
187 | mikalm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:12:49pm |
re: #184 JustMyView
As reported in the article you linked to, Crowley suggested this idea.
188 | NelsFree Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:12:57pm |
re: #122 Pianobuff
Since we’re talking about healthcare, I’ll throw a top-of-mind prediction out there…
If Obamacare passes with a public plan, the next public health emergency we’ll hear about is “not enough doctors”. Assuming Obama has some level of popularity, he will use this crisis to make a case for some sort of government education of up and coming doctors. The doctors, in exchange for a free education, will be government serfs, essentially in the employ of the U.S.A. for 10, 20, 30…who knows how many years.
Cradle-to-grave co-dependency if you will…
I hope I’m wrong about this, so feel free to fire away.
You. Are. TELEPATHIC!
Beck stated in his weekend edition that, hidden in the Health Care Reform Bill (Ocare), is the statement that preference for Medical Education funding will go to teaching hospitals that have shown preference for enrolling minorities, servicing underpriviledged areas and groups, and show diversity.
189 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:13:01pm |
re: #184 JustMyView
As reported in the article you linked to, Crowley suggested this idea.
True. I should have been clearer about that. Meant to indicate that I’ve heard of no remarks from Crowley on Gate’s acceptance.
190 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:14:41pm |
re: #165 BlueCanuck
Unfortunately he thinks he’s the teacher not the student. Doubt much will change. Just watch as he slowly alienates his entire base by such foolish endeavours.
Yes.
We shouldn’t have taken him to raise.
191 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:15:39pm |
A Gatesgate At Henry Gates’ “Bogus” Charity?
/the sniffing has started
192 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:16:55pm |
re: #191 Killian Bundy
A Gatesgate At Henry Gates’ “Bogus” Charity?
/the sniffing has started
Very interesting. I’ll be curious to see if this develops into something bigger.
193 | NelsFree Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:17:17pm |
re: #149 J.D.
We all saw what Obama is really made of just a couple of days ago.
He’s got a lot to learn. If only he would shut up.
NO! Keep him talking! Right up to the November 2010 Congressional Elections!!
/”Redistribute that Intellectual Wealth”
194 | eon Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:18:09pm |
re: #152 callahan23
Not really of individuals but of a whole nation on the example of Germany. Technophobia at it’s worst.
A neat article by Newsweek on ‘Germany’s Technophobia is holding it back’.
Good afternoon, Lizards.
Interesting article. A few points caught my eye.
1. The whole “Back-to-Nature” shtick was a preoccupation of He Who Shall Not Be Named For Fear Of Godwin’s Law, as well. In fact, “pre-Christian Pan-Germanism”, based on Nietzsche and Hegel, was all about the rejection of “modernity”, including technology; neither of them was a big fan of the Industrial Revolution. I’m wondering how many of the young, hip, “progressive” activists over there realize this. (My estimate is, none, as the accurate study of history seems to be as “out of style” there as it is here.)
2. The damage the Max Planck Institute’s test fields for genetically-modified plants have suffered from “activists” is eco-terrorism, pure and simple. I notice the news media in Europe and elsewhere is conspicuously silent about this.
3. The fellow from the Allensbach Institute who thinks that he can enlist the “Greens” by capitalizing on their infatuation with Wind & Sun is making the same error Margaret Thatcher did in the UK, when she thought she could co-opt them into her campaign for nuclear power by agreeing with them on the need to get rid of coal-fired energy. They took her support- and then turned on her to campaign against nuclear power, instead. The Greens, in any nation, are absolutists; there is only one “right” way, to them, and that’s a return to the caves.
4. Germany may be the only country to openly outlaw nuclear power, but the United States has done so by indirect means, by methods that have survived no less than three pro-nuclear administrations (Reagan, Bush I & II), and a 12-year GOP majority in the Congress. Simply put, the Sierra Club, etc., have too many influential people on their speed dial, and know how to work the system, including the courts. This “energy bill” (aka “Cap N’ Tax”) will I suspect embed the “no nukes, nowhere, never” mentality in the law, not by a single statute but by an unnavigable maze of procedures that will be impossible to ever remove. One more reason to oppose Cap N’ Tax, as if we needed any more.
In Germany’s present Neo-Luddite mania we see a harbinger of what may be soon to come here.
cheers
eon
195 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:18:10pm |
re: #168 Pianobuff
True that is, although I tend to look at military service a little bit differently from most other lines of work, don’t you?
Vis a vis your second point, if it is deemed that there is a shortage of doctors everywhere what would that portend?
Absolutely military service is different from most other lines of work. My son considered it but he couldn’t get where he needed to go that way. A shortage of doctors everywhere? I cringe to even think how horrendous that would be.
196 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:18:18pm |
Some of the best research on the quality and cost of care and patient outcomes has been done at Dartmouth, which has a large health services research program. Those of you ragging on Obama for insulting doctors might want to look at this five-page report. The idea that doctors make decisions that are favorable to their bottom lines is not as outrageous as some seem to think.
197 | lincolntf Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:18:20pm |
re: #189 Pianobuff
This is how I’ve been hearing it, but the stories at the Herald keep changing in little ways as they get updated. The news that he accepted was added since this morning.
“Beer and bonding is on tap at the White House after a contrite President Obama yesterday invited a Cambridge cop and Harvard professor over in an effort to bring them together after a week of hard feelings over charges of racial profiling.
The invitation for a cold one was quickly accepted last night by both Sgt. James Crowley and professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.”
198 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:19:18pm |
re: #191 Killian Bundy
A Gatesgate At Henry Gates’ “Bogus” Charity?
/the sniffing has started
Did you notice this? Apparently Gates and Crowley are related back to an Irish ancestor. How’s that for coincidence?
199 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:20:26pm |
re: #122 Pianobuff
Since we’re talking about healthcare, I’ll throw a top-of-mind prediction out there…
If Obamacare passes with a public plan, the next public health emergency we’ll hear about is “not enough doctors”. Assuming Obama has some level of popularity, he will use this crisis to make a case for some sort of government education of up and coming doctors. The doctors, in exchange for a free education, will be government serfs, essentially in the employ of the U.S.A. for 10, 20, 30…who knows how many years.
Cradle-to-grave co-dependency if you will…
I hope I’m wrong about this, so feel free to fire away.
No, I think you’re right. I haven’t reviewed the whole health care plan, but I keep talking to doctors who say that they’ll just have to quit if it goes through, because they won’t be able to practice any more.
One thing that often happens when people who don’t know anything about medicine are put in charge of health care is that providers are replaced by lower-paid, unqualified people. E.g. doctors are replaced by nurse practitioners, and nurses are replaced by nurse’s aids. The results invariably are not only dangerously bad care, but costs that increase rather than decrease. I guess we may see this.
200 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:21:37pm |
re: #181 NelsFree
Only 5 years in jail? How progressive! In Pakistan, Iran & Saudi Arabia the penalty for evangelism is death.
201 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:21:57pm |
re: #186 swamprat
No— all wrong. It’s
“Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I’m being repressed!”
202 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:22:41pm |
re: #140 debutaunt
Marvin P. Middlemark invented the Rabbit Ears television Antenna in 1956 in Rego Park, Queens, New York.
203 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:22:54pm |
re: #200 Kenneth
And not just any death, no no no. You’re beheaded in the public square.
Bring the family— make a picnic of it.
204 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:23:32pm |
re: #196 JustMyView
Some of the best research on the quality and cost of care and patient outcomes has been done at Dartmouth, which has a large health services research program. Those of you ragging on Obama for insulting doctors might want to look at this five-page report. The idea that doctors make decisions that are favorable to their bottom lines is not as outrageous as some seem to think.
That doesn’t change the fact that Obama ragged on doctors as a whole. Nobody implied that doctors never cheat, that’s a straw man.
205 | NelsFree Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:23:35pm |
re: #191 Killian Bundy
A Gatesgate At Henry Gates’ “Bogus” Charity?
/the sniffing has started
“…Inkwell Foundation, dedicated to reforming the teaching of science and history in inner city schools using genetic and genealogical ancestry tracing.”
Does this mean he wants to connect all Blacks related to slavery by genetics? Is this a step towards reparations?
206 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:25:01pm |
re: #191 Killian Bundy
A Gatesgate At Henry Gates’ “Bogus” Charity?
/the sniffing has started
I saw that in the spinoff links, and I was conflicted about updinging it. On the one hand, it looks like a good piece of investigation, and I think we need to know more about Henry Louis Gates to understand his behavior. The fact that he has used a race not only to create a lucrative career, but also a bogus charity, and a “Blacks Only” business, speaks to the credibility of the claim that he let loose with baseless accusations of racism.
On the other hand, this risks veering into investigations that don’t have anything to do with the arrest incident, and attempts to smear him out of pure vengeance. And the claim that Gates may have been “acting strange” because he didn’t want his secrets to come out is just ridiculous. Obviously, if Gates had a secret that he wanted to hide, he should have just showed Sergeant Crowley some ID, and said goodbye without making a scene.
207 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:25:22pm |
re: #191 Killian Bundy
A Gatesgate At Henry Gates’ “Bogus” Charity?
/the sniffing has started
I don’t know the facts but the following acted stupidly;the Boston Globe, The state Attorney General’s office and Joseph Culligan of Web of Deception. It’s ok though,I’m having them all to my house for a beer.
208 | eon Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:27:43pm |
Drat. Lightning storm inbound, have to sign off.
Later, Lizards.
cheers
eon
209 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:28:11pm |
210 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:28:24pm |
/Crowley’s got a defamation case right there
211 | NelsFree Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:29:06pm |
re: #200 Kenneth
Only 5 years in jail? How progressive! In Pakistan, Iran & Saudi Arabia the penalty for evangelism is death.
Progressive indeed. Morocco passed that law just a few years ago, and has used it to deport Christian evangelists and close down unregistered churches. Pakistan, Iran, and SArabia all have had the laws on the books for a while; ultimately the rule is based on a hadith in which Mo was quoted as saying, “if any man leaves his Islam, then kill him”.
212 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:29:09pm |
re: #196 JustMyView
The idea that doctors make decisions that are favorable to their bottom lines is not as outrageous as some seem to think.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone think that idea is outrageous?
213 | NelsFree Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:30:21pm |
re: #207 n in wi
I don’t know the facts but the following acted stupidly;the Boston Globe, The state Attorney General’s office and Joseph Culligan of Web of Deception. It’s ok though,I’m having them all to my house for a beer.
Just for that, I’m not giving anyone a beer on this thread!
/neener neener neener
214 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:31:03pm |
re: #210 Killian Bundy
/Crowley’s got a defamation case right there
You think Obama, Rahm, and Axelrod are in a room together wondering how they can get this guy to shut up?
215 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:31:29pm |
re: #207 n in wi
I don’t know the facts but the following acted stupidly;the Boston Globe, The state Attorney General’s office and Joseph Culligan of Web of Deception. It’s ok though,I’m having them all to my house for a beer.
you forgot one: Barry
216 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:31:40pm |
re: #210 Killian Bundy
/Crowley’s got a defamation case right there
Libel.
Why is Gates drawing poor people into this?
217 | MJ Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:32:07pm |
The New York Times Thomas Friedman’s pad. Remember it next time he preaches about carbon footprints:
[Link: planetgore.nationalreview.com…]
218 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:32:12pm |
re: #212 Last Mohican
Just out of curiosity, does anyone think that idea is outrageous?
The idea seems to be that government control will make everything all nice and level and fair.
219 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:32:13pm |
re: #194 eon
Referring to your first point. I studied agriculture and a co-student as a member of the green party dug into the records of the founding members of that party.
Guess who’s been found out? Old-time nazis galore. No joke, that student got kicked out of the party in a wide arch.
Sorry but I couldn’t provide any links, names or other info even under duress. Even the co-students name is lost in memory.
220 | NelsFree Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:33:39pm |
re: #206 Last Mohican
The fact that he (Gates) has used
arace not only to create a lucrative career, but also a bogus charity, and a “Blacks Only” business, speaks to the credibility of the claim that he let loose with baseless accusations of racism.On the other hand, this risks veering into investigations that don’t have anything to do with the arrest incident, and attempts to smear him out of pure vengeance.
So, we can’t call him a…racist?
221 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:34:19pm |
re: #196 JustMyView
Doctors do make decisions that will influence their bottom lines. They are running a business of a sort after all. Most doctors won’t prescribe a treatment or procedure that will harm a patient just because they need that new set of golf clubs. If they did eventually their well of patients would dry up and they would be looking for another line of work.
222 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:35:06pm |
re: #210 Killian Bundy
Wow… .’rogue policeman.’
I hope Gates gets what he deserves: the destruction of his credibility on the issues of race.
224 | jaunte Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:35:15pm |
re: #212 Last Mohican
Just out of curiosity, does anyone think that idea is outrageous?
Maybe that’s the famous editorial “some.”
225 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:35:28pm |
I wish Crowley would go off on Obama for the insinuation that all problems with an Irish cop from Mass. can be fixed with a beer.
226 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:35:30pm |
re: #205 NelsFree
“…Inkwell Foundation, dedicated to reforming the teaching of science and history in inner city schools using genetic and genealogical ancestry tracing.”
Does this mean he wants to connect all Blacks related to slavery by genetics? Is this a step towards reparations?
Maybe it’s not anything so ideologically motivated as that. Maybe he just wants to teach poor inner city children how important it is that they order genetic testing kits from his for-profit company. He sells genetic testing kits, ranging from $189 to $1,277. But wait, that’s not all:
All Y-DNA and mtDNA test results include:
Migration map for your branch of mankind
Comparison to our World Wide Database
Printed certificate (suitable for framing)
Email notification when new matches to your results arrive
Archival storage of your DNA sample
227 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:35:36pm |
re: #204 BigPapa
That doesn’t change the fact that Obama ragged on doctors as a whole. Nobody implied that doctors never cheat, that’s a straw man.
No, he didn’t. Below is what he actually said. As you’ll see, he is saying that doctors are actually trapped into providing unnecessary care because of current reimbursement practices.
Now, to get to your original question, can I guarantee that there are going to be no changes in the health care delivery system? No. The whole point of this is to try to encourage changes that work for the American people and make them healthier. The government already is making some of these decisions. More importantly, insurance companies right now are making those decisions.
And part of what we want to do is to make sure that those decisions are being made by doctors and medical experts based on evidence, based on what works — because that’s not how it’s working right now. That’s not how it’s working right now. Right now doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that’s out there.
So if they’re looking — and you come in and you’ve got a bad sore throat, or your child has a bad sore throat or has repeated sore throats, the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, you know what, I make a lot more money if I take this kid’s tonsils out. Now that may be the right thing to do, but I’d rather have that doctor making those decisions just based on whether you really need your kid’s tonsils out or whether it might make more sense just to change — maybe they have allergies, maybe they have something else that would make a difference.
So part of what we want to do is to free doctors, patients, hospitals to make decisions based on what’s best for patient care — and that’s the whole idea behind Mayo, that’s the whole idea behind the Cleveland Clinic. I’m going to be visiting your hometown tomorrow to go to the Cleveland Clinic to show — to show why their system works so well. And part of the reason it works well is because they’ve set up a system where patient care is the number-one concern, not bureaucracy, what forms have to be filled out, what do we get reimbursed for. Those are changes that I think the American people want to see.
228 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:36:13pm |
From across the pond.
The Obama dream turns into nightmare
…As recent Gallup surveys have shown, the United States remains a largely conservative nation, and Obama’s brand of high spending, high taxing neo-socialism is increasingly rejected by the American public. While much of Europe, including Britain, is moving rightwards, America is the only major country in the Western world whose leadership is dramatically moving to the left. Although he ran for the presidency largely as a centrist, Obama’s government is without doubt the most left-wing administration in American history.Even with liberals dominating the Executive Branch and both Houses of Congress, as well as about 80 per cent of America’s print and television media, the Obama team has so far spectacularly failed to win over the American people to a radical big government agenda that seeks to significantly enhance the power of the state over the individual.
If he is not careful, Barack Obama may end up as one of the least popular presidents in American history. His dream of re-making the world’s greatest power into a large-scale version of modern-day Germany - with high taxation, dominant trade unions, overbearing government bureaucracy, stifling employment regulations, low defence spending, de-nuclearisation, a naive emphasis on soft power, and a constant desire to apologise for the past – is a nightmarish vision that fortunately is opposed by a growing majority of Americans. The spirit of individual liberty and free enterprise remains the most powerful force in the United States today, and any government that goes against it is bound to fail in imposing its agenda.
229 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:36:38pm |
230 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:37:08pm |
re: #225 n in wi
I wish Crowley would go off on Obama for the insinuation that all problems with an Irish cop from Mass. can be fixed with a beer.
He needs to shut up unless he likes axle grease and tire tracks across his back.
231 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:37:23pm |
232 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:38:50pm |
re: #226 Last Mohican
His services will come in handy when the Gov. goes full fledged into eugenics.
233 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:39:06pm |
re: #221 BlueCanuck
Doctors do make decisions that will influence their bottom lines. They are running a business of a sort after all. Most doctors won’t prescribe a treatment or procedure that will harm a patient just because they need that new set of golf clubs. If they did eventually their well of patients would dry up and they would be looking for another line of work.
Obama didn’t remotely say anything like that. His exact quote is in my #227.
234 | Targetpractice Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:39:48pm |
re: #228 J.D.
From across the pond.
The Obama dream turns into nightmare
Obama had this dream of being the next FDR or JFK, leading America to a new golden age of liberalism. Instead, he’s looking more and more like Carter, leading his own party to ruination and a return to minority status.
235 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:40:09pm |
re: #227 JustMyView
‘…the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, you know what, I make a lot more money if I take this kid’s tonsils out.’
So it’s the system that’s influencing doctors to be greedy then?
236 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:41:24pm |
re: #235 BigPapa
‘…the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, you know what, I make a lot more money if I take this kid’s tonsils out.’
So it’s the system that’s influencing doctors to be greedy then?
/nevermind that primary care physicians don’t remove tonsils
237 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:41:36pm |
re: #225 n in wi
I wish Crowley would go off on Obama for the insinuation that all problems with an Irish cop from Mass. can be fixed with a beer.
Obama did not insinuate this. In his press conference, he said that Crowley had suggested they get together for a beer.
238 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:41:47pm |
re: #221 BlueCanuck
In Canada, doctors still make decisions based on their bottom line. They know the gov’t will only pay so much per service. Doctors will spend the absolute minimum time per patient per service to maximize their billables. Unnecessary tests are ordered to pad the bill. Quality care does not pay.
239 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:42:16pm |
Good sultry afternoon Lizards. We are sitting in the eye for want of a better word of a bunch of t-storms up here in the greater Wenatchee Valley. Supposed to start hitting 100 for the next week and even possibly triple digits in Seattle! That’s about 2 hours to our west on the dry side of the Cascades. They’ll be melting!
240 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:42:40pm |
re: #237 JustMyView
Obama did not insinuate this. In his press conference, he said that Crowley had suggested they get together for a beer.
/was that after he called him stupid?
241 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:42:53pm |
re: #235 BigPapa
‘…the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, you know what, I make a lot more money if I take this kid’s tonsils out.’
So it’s the system that’s influencing doctors to be greedy then?
Bailout the reimbursement system.
242 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:43:10pm |
Soylent Green will be on TCM this afternoon.
243 | mattm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:43:31pm |
I’m not sure what up with History Channel. Currently talking chemtrails and some researchers who claim yo have a high level FAA person who know all bout what we are doing with it.
244 | Targetpractice Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:43:46pm |
re: #242 MandyManners
Soylent Green will be on TCM this afternoon.
And on store shelves shortly after Obamacare goes into effect.
245 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:43:51pm |
re: #237 JustMyView
Obama did not insinuate this. In his press conference, he said that Crowley had suggested they get together for a beer.
He also said that Crowley was a rogue cop.
246 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:44:29pm |
BBL. Capitalism calls: I must go be greedy and charge somebody for a service that they don’t know how or want to do.
247 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:44:46pm |
re: #242 MandyManners
Soylent Green will be on TCM this afternoon.
Didn’t we all speak of this a few days ago?
Errr, ‘t was Health Care we were discussing.
248 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:45:12pm |
re: #227 JustMyView
he is saying that doctors are actually trapped into providing unnecessary care because of current reimbursement practices.
If a doctor takes out your kid’s tonsils unnecessarily just to make a buck, he’s not “trapped by current reimbursement practices.” He’s either an ignoramus who needs to study up on recommendations for tonsillectomy, or he’s an unscrupulous bastard who should have his license revoked. I know a lot of doctors who are currently reimbursed, and who do not find themselves forced to take out kids’ tonsils unnecessarily.
If you think it’s a good idea that your doctor can’t treat you without first asking for permission from some non-medically-trained person in a central office who takes money away from health care in order to draw a salary, then you’ve probably never been a direct participant in “managed care.”
249 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:45:17pm |
250 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:45:23pm |
re: #227 JustMyView
So if they’re looking — and you come in and you’ve got a bad sore throat, or your child has a bad sore throat or has repeated sore throats, the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, you know what, I make a lot more money if I take this kid’s tonsils out. Now that may be the right thing to do, but I’d rather have that doctor making those decisions just based on whether you really need your kid’s tonsils out or whether it might make more sense just to change — maybe they have allergies, maybe they have something else that would make a difference.
I’m just not reading it the same way you are. Obama is painting a picture of a doctor looking up a fee schedule and opting for the most “profitable” procedure.
Not only that, as cited before, the PTP does not stand to make a dime off of a tonsillectomy except for the rare circumstances that he/she is also a surgeon.
Not only that, but there are circumstances where a tonsillectomy is in the long run cheaper than a lifetime of allergy.
It’s very hard for me to look at this as uninformed demonization, even after reading it several times.
251 | capitalist piglet Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:45:25pm |
re: #239 pingjockey
Good sultry afternoon Lizards. We are sitting in the eye for want of a better word of a bunch of t-storms up here in the greater Wenatchee Valley. Supposed to start hitting 100 for the next week and even possibly triple digits in Seattle! That’s about 2 hours to our west on the dry side of the Cascades. They’ll be melting!
You sound excited. ; )
252 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:45:43pm |
253 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:45:47pm |
re: #237 JustMyView
Obama did not insinuate this. In his press conference, he said that Crowley had suggested they get together for a beer.
What one intends or does or does not insinuate is no longer a prerequisite for a grievance.
254 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:46:09pm |
I wonder what would have happened to a young Barry Obama, back when he was studying law at Harvard, if he had wandered into a local cop bar and called them all “stupid racists”. I bet that would have been a real teachable moment!
255 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:46:12pm |
re: #250 Pianobuff
It’s very hard for me to look at this as anything but uninformed demonization, even after reading it several times.
…correcting prior post.
256 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:46:36pm |
re: #249 MandyManners
Wasn’t it Gates who said that?
Probably. I’m leaving the fact-checking up to someone else’s view.
257 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:46:40pm |
By common consent, the most memorable moment of Barack Obama’s otherwise listless press conference on “health care” were his robust remarks on the “racist” incident involving professor Henry Louis Gates and the Cambridge police. The latter “acted stupidly,” pronounced the chief of state. The president of the United States may be reluctant to condemn Ayatollah Khamenei or Hugo Chávez or that guy in Honduras without examining all the nuances and footnotes, but sometimes there are outrages so heinous that even the famously nuanced must step up to the plate and speak truth to power. And thank God the leader of the free world had the guts to stand up and speak truth to municipal police Sgt. James Crowley.For everyone other than the president, what happened at professor Gates’ house is not entirely clear. The Harvard prof returned home without his keys and, as Obama put it, “jimmied his way into the house.” A neighbor, witnessing the “break-in,” called the cops, and things, ah, escalated from there. Professor Gates is now saying that, if Sgt. Crowley publicly apologizes for his racism, the prof will graciously agree to “educate him about the history of racism in America.” Which is a helluva deal. I mean, Ivy League parents remortgage their homes to pay Gates for the privilege of lecturing their kids, and here he is offering to hector it away to some no-name lunkhead for free. …
258 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:47:17pm |
re: #251 capitalist piglet
Heh. I-5 corridor pukes melting makes me smile!
259 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:47:23pm |
260 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:47:38pm |
Holiday Inn Expresses have nice wireless… They let me borrow their internetz from time to time. Ain’t they sweet?
Hi y’all!
261 | Targetpractice Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:47:45pm |
re: #238 Kenneth
In Canada, doctors still make decisions based on their bottom line. They know the gov’t will only pay so much per service. Doctors will spend the absolute minimum time per patient per service to maximize their billables. Unnecessary tests are ordered to pad the bill. Quality care does not pay.
It’s the case in pretty much every universal health care system. Why spend more time than necessary giving quality care when you’re still getting paid the flat rate? When you’re getting paid more on the basis of the number of patients you see rather than the quality of care you provide, there’s no motivation to provide more than cursory care. And with the current lack of tort reform, Obamacare will be a gold mine to malpractice attorneys.
263 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:49:53pm |
264 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:49:53pm |
265 | _RememberTonyC Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:50:09pm |
I accidentally posted this on the dead thread, but it’s Victor Davis Hanson’s latest and worth reading:
[Link: victorhanson.com…]
266 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:50:26pm |
267 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:51:13pm |
re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Didja’ take your wife out last night?
268 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:51:18pm |
re: #250 Pianobuff
If Obama is trying to argue the need for gov’t medicare system based on an anecdote wherein private doctors pad their bills with unneccessary procedures, he’s picking a very poor argument. In Canada, the doctors all pad their bills to maximize their income. Socialized medicine makes the problem worse.
269 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:51:50pm |
270 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:52:03pm |
271 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:52:22pm |
re: #242 MandyManners
Yum. The other other other white meat!
272 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:52:41pm |
re: #248 Last Mohican
If a doctor takes out your kid’s tonsils unnecessarily just to make a buck, he’s not “trapped by current reimbursement practices.” He’s either an ignoramus who needs to study up on recommendations for tonsillectomy, or he’s an unscrupulous bastard who should have his license revoked. I know a lot of doctors who are currently reimbursed, and who do not find themselves forced to take out kids’ tonsils unnecessarily.
If you think it’s a good idea that your doctor can’t treat you without first asking for permission from some non-medically-trained person in a central office who takes money away from health care in order to draw a salary, then you’ve probably never been a direct participant in “managed care.”
Where there may possibly be a “profit-taking” attitude would be in the case of billing, which is a high art these days. There’s many ways to code procedures for billing and dollars can be made by knowing the “best” way to code the bills for maximum dollars while still maintaining accuracy. This can mean the difference of quite a few dollars for a practice, so good bill coders are a valued commodity.
Of course, it could be argued that this behavior is also the result of too much regulation to begin with, but I’m not making that argument here.
273 | Rin Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:52:52pm |
re: #233 JustMyView
er…what about doctors that feel they must run a bunch of useless tests, etc. because they are worried about being sued? That’s something I’ve not heard O talk about at all. Probably because he doesn’t want to even touch on it.
274 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:53:02pm |
275 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:53:20pm |
re: #264 debutaunt
Who said he was a rogue cop?
Arrrggh. I’m having a nicotine fit … I meant Gates said Crowley was a rogue cop.
276 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:53:33pm |
278 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:54:29pm |
re: #273 Rin
er…what about doctors that feel they must run a bunch of useless tests, etc. because they are worried about being sued? That’s something I’ve not heard O talk about at all. Probably because he doesn’t want to even touch on it.
You can almost hear John Edwards reaming the doctor for not running enough tests. Ka-Ching to the lawyer.
279 | avanti Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:54:55pm |
re: #206 Last Mohican
On the other hand, this risks veering into investigations that don’t have anything to do with the arrest incident, and attempts to smear him out of pure vengeance. And the claim that Gates may have been “acting strange” because he didn’t want his secrets to come out is just ridiculous. Obviously, if Gates had a secret that he wanted to hide, he should have just showed Sergeant Crowley some ID, and said goodbye without making a scene.
My concern is that the left will do something like that with the cop. I think this sort of investigation by either side is not related to the issues at hand.
280 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:55:01pm |
281 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:55:05pm |
re: #273 Rin
er…what about doctors that feel they must run a bunch of useless tests, etc. because they are worried about being sued? That’s something I’ve not heard O talk about at all. Probably because he doesn’t want to even touch on it.
/no, he’s already clearly stated, while speaking to the AMA, that he’s against tort reform
282 | Randall Gross Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:55:51pm |
re: #101 BlueCanuck
Thanks, I’ll check that if it pops up in the future
283 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:55:57pm |
284 | Targetpractice Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:55:59pm |
re: #273 Rin
er…what about doctors that feel they must run a bunch of useless tests, etc. because they are worried about being sued? That’s something I’ve not heard O talk about at all. Probably because he doesn’t want to even touch on it.
IIRC, the Chairman muttered something about unnecessary tests, but tried to chalk that up to “medical waste” rather than a need for tort reform. Democrats are hesitant to bite the hand that feeds them, so they’re trying to make the argument that “waste” in the system is responsible and the reason why “reform” is needed.
286 | Rin Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:56:24pm |
re: #281 Killian Bundy
Must have missed that. Doesn’t surprise me though.
287 | Racer X Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:56:29pm |
re: #248 Last Mohican
When I was a teenager I used to get bad sore throats every few months. My doctor initially told me I needed my tonsils removed. When I expressed my reluctance to have the surgery he then told me to just gargle with white vinegar 3 times a day to kill off the germs. I did this every time a I got a sore throat - for years.
A few years later during a doctor’s visit he asked me when I had my tonsils removed. I told him I never did. He spent as few minutes looking and said “we’ll they went somewhere because they are no longer there”.
I rarely have sore throats anymore.
288 | _RememberTonyC Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:56:38pm |
re: #281 Killian Bundy
/no, he’s already clearly stated, while speaking to the AMA, that he’s against tort reform
and somewhere, john edwards is smiling and rubbing his hands together with a flinty little grin on his face
289 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:56:46pm |
re: #279 avanti
My concern is that the left will do something like that with the cop. I think this sort of investigation by either side is not related to the issues at hand.
It’s very disheartening to me that reverse racial-profiling has leaped into the picture. It was bad enough with racial-profiling.
290 | Sharmuta Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:56:48pm |
re: #279 avanti
My concern is that the left will do something like that with the cop. I think this sort of investigation by either side is not related to the issues at hand.
No body wants to discuss the issues. Distractions are much more fun.
291 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:57:08pm |
293 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:57:32pm |
re: #210 Killian Bundy
[Video]
/Crowley’s got a defamation case right there
Wow. What a slimeball this Gates is. I wish we could somehow get rid of “race professionals” like him. There’s just too much incentive nowadays to try to gain wealth and power by inventing racism where none exists, and trying to whip everyone into a frenzy of racial hatred for the purpose of personal profit.
Gates should have just issued a quiet public statement through a publicist, saying “I’m sorry. I had been flying for almost 24 hours on my way back from China, and then I got home and find that my door wouldn’t open. I was exhausted, jet-lagged, and frustrated, and I embarrassed myself by losing control of my emotions and saying some really stupid things. It could happen to anyone who was having as tiring a day as I was, but that doesn’t excuse my behavior. I apologize to Sergeant Crowley, and to the other officers who were present, and I thank them for maintaining their composure even when I didn’t.”
294 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:57:55pm |
295 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:58:41pm |
296 | Racer X Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:58:50pm |
297 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Jul 25, 2009 1:59:16pm |
More instances of Federal Troops being used in domestic actions between the Civil War and World War II.
[Link: books.google.com…]
298 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:00:16pm |
299 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:00:45pm |
300 | Cathypop Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:01:17pm |
re: #293 Last Mohican
Of course a REAL adult would have said that but not this idiot.
301 | _RememberTonyC Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:01:47pm |
302 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:01:55pm |
303 | _RememberTonyC Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:02:13pm |
304 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:02:22pm |
re: #299 MandyManners
Probably Rev Al or Jesse, but they’ve been awful quiet through out all this. I expect Rush will have a new Justice Bros audio out monday though!
305 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:02:30pm |
re: #301 _RememberTonyC
that’s a helluva carbon footprint!
and a helluvalotta tort that needs reforming!
306 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:02:38pm |
re: #279 avanti
My concern is that the left will do something like that with the cop. I think this sort of investigation by either side is not related to the issues at hand.
I’m sure that members of the Race Industry are investigating Crowley already. And I think that’s fine, actually appropriate, as long as they stick to items that might point to a history of racism. For example, if he had been reprimanded twenty times for making racist remarks and harassing Black people. Of course, as it turns out, he taught a course at the Lowell Police Academy about how important it was not to do racial profiling. At least that’s what I read somewhere.
I think the lack of good material is the only reason why we haven’t heard any smearing of Sergeant Crowley going on.
307 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:02:48pm |
308 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:02:56pm |
310 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:03:32pm |
311 | _RememberTonyC Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:03:36pm |
re: #305 Pianobuff
and a helluvalotta tort that needs reforming!
what did Shakespeare say about lawyers?
312 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:03:44pm |
313 | _RememberTonyC Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:04:05pm |
315 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:05:13pm |
316 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:05:16pm |
Michael Medved - Birthers damage conservative movement- makes us look not suitable for civilized company.
Michael Medved, a conservative talk-show host, described the leadership of the so-called “birther” movement as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative impostors.”
317 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:05:30pm |
re: #287 Racer X
Yeah, in the past decades, doctors have realized that most of the tonsillectomies they were doing were unnecessary and didn’t help anything. So it’s a much more rare procedure nowadays.
318 | _RememberTonyC Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:05:43pm |
319 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:06:12pm |
re: #306 Last Mohican
Of course, as it turns out, he taught a course at the Lowell Police Academy about how important it was not to do racial profiling. At least that’s what I read somewhere.
/Officer accused of profiling in Gates case taught academy cadets how not to
322 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:07:53pm |
re: #316 Buck
Michael Medved - Birthers damage conservative movement- makes us look not suitable for civilized company.
I’m glad Medved is speaking out. There will always be a few kooks on the extreme - heck that’s why it’s called the extreme. However there are some ‘tweeners out there that a guy like Medved might be able to talk off the ledge.
323 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:08:09pm |
re: #293 Last Mohican
Wow. What a slimeball this Gates is. I wish we could somehow get rid of “race professionals” like him. There’s just too much incentive nowadays to try to gain wealth and power by inventing racism where none exists, and trying to whip everyone into a frenzy of racial hatred for the purpose of personal profit.
Gates should have just issued a quiet public statement through a publicist, saying “I’m sorry. I had been flying for almost 24 hours on my way back from China, and then I got home and find that my door wouldn’t open. I was exhausted, jet-lagged, and frustrated, and I embarrassed myself by losing control of my emotions and saying some really stupid things. It could happen to anyone who was having as tiring a day as I was, but that doesn’t excuse my behavior. I apologize to Sergeant Crowley, and to the other officers who were present, and I thank them for maintaining their composure even when I didn’t.”
It may be a little “Black Helicopter”ish,but, Gates and Obama are friends,the timing is right to inject racial profiling to boost support for Obama and his policies as his poll numbers drop. Obama used the race card when the Rev. Wright stuff came out. The thinking being that if a Harvard professor is still subject to profiling,then it is possible not supporting Obama’s policy would be because of his race.
324 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:08:27pm |
re: #319 Killian Bundy
/Officer accused of profiling in Gates case taught academy cadets how not to
I guarantee you that this will be turned around by someone so that he’s an expert at it so of course he profiled Gates.
325 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:09:06pm |
326 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:09:17pm |
re: #324 MandyManners
I guarantee you that this will be turned around by someone so that he’s an expert at it so of course he profiled Gates.
Oh, man, I’d never even thought of that!
327 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:09:24pm |
re: #323 n in wi
It may be a little “Black Helicopter”ish,but, Gates and Obama are friends,the timing is right to inject racial profiling to boost support for Obama and his policies as his poll numbers drop. Obama used the race card when the Rev. Wright stuff came out. The thinking being that if a Harvard professor is still subject to profiling,then it is possible not supporting Obama’s policy would be because of his race.
Ooooh. You’re good.
328 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:09:44pm |
329 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:10:09pm |
330 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:10:37pm |
re: #324 MandyManners
Of course. He had to teach the cadets how not to do it(profiling) so he must have had to be an expert on how to profile to start with! That kind of fucking liberal logic makes my head hurt.
331 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:10:42pm |
332 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:11:10pm |
re: #330 pingjockey
Of course. He had to teach the cadets how not to do it(profiling) so he must have had to be an expert on how to profile to start with! That kind of fucking liberal logic makes my head hurt.
I wonder how soon that accusation will be made.
333 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:11:27pm |
336 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:12:21pm |
re: #307 Killian Bundy
I still think this is a joke video. She needs an episode where she’s cruising the highways with a snow-shovel for some road-kill stew meat.
337 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:12:38pm |
re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nah. We’re just basically roomies now.
The famously misunderstood quote “First thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers” was the advice a conniving courtier gave to the King on how to establish tyranny. Tyrants ever fear the rule of law.
338 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:12:53pm |
re: #323 n in wi
Too Black Helicopterish, I think. Obama had already successfully ridden the “if you don’t vote for me you must be a racist” idea all the way to the White House. The Gates story isn’t helping him in any way, although I’m sure that Gates will use it to sell some books and do some speaking engagements. Quite the contrary, I think Gates’ story is so ridiculous that it’s not even flying in far-left Cambridge, and if anything it’s weakening Obama’s “nobody’s allowed to criticize me because I’m Black” position.
339 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:12:59pm |
340 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:13:52pm |
341 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:13:55pm |
342 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:13:56pm |
re: #337 Kenneth
I don’t think that was meant for me. If it was? Very cryptic.
343 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:14:03pm |
re: #332 MandyManners
I wonder how soon that accusation will be made.
It’s right out of HuffPo.
And why wouldn’t an expert in racial profiling understand the long history of police abuse of African American men and consider that in evaluating Gates’ response to the situation? After everything black men have been through in this country, from slavery to segregation to racial denialism, it’s a wonder that well-educated black men like Gates and Obama are usually so controlled.
Here’s a link to the whole story.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
344 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:14:06pm |
re: #335 albusteve
Nice, very nice. Is it real or a replicar though? If it’s a real Shelby GT ya don’t want to ask what it’s worth!
346 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:15:00pm |
re: #340 MandyManners
You and me both.
BTW, how’s summer vacation and the kid getting along?
347 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:15:40pm |
re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don’t think that was meant for me. If it was? Very cryptic.
I think he meant to quote 311, not your 312.
350 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:16:33pm |
re: #331 callahan23
Sorry to hear that.
At first we had “House Sex”. Any room in the house was game.
Then we started having “Room Sex”. Kids are there and you have to settle down and pretty much just have sex in the bedroom.
Now we’re having “Hall Sex”. We pass each other in the hallway and mutter “fuck you.”
351 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:16:45pm |
re: #345 BignJames
Earlier this week, my father was wrongly accused of breaking into his own home
/um, no, he was arrested for disorderly conduct, nice try moving the goalposts though
352 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:17:41pm |
353 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:18:02pm |
354 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:18:08pm |
re: #351 Killian Bundy
/um, no, he was arrested for disorderly conduct, nice try moving the goalposts though
Like any good lib she refuses to let facts get in the way of a victimization.
355 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:18:50pm |
re: #343 soxfan4life
After everything black men have been through in this country, from slavery to segregation to racial denialism, it’s a wonder that well-educated black men like Gates and Obama are usually so controlled.
That is incredibly racist right there!
356 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:18:59pm |
re: #338 Last Mohican
Not at all. Obama used it to, as Charles called it, deal the race card off the bottom of the deck. he used the phrase “jigger the door” and then joked about himself getting shot if it happened at his house. Obama is very careful with his language. He knew exactly what he was saying.
357 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:19:03pm |
re: #242 MandyManners
Soylent Green will be on TCM this afternoon.
I’m surprised they’re allowing that.
Did anyone besides me notice that The Manchurian Candidate was never shown during the Clinton Administration, or during Hillary’s primary run?
Coincidence? I don’t think so!
/
358 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:19:26pm |
re: #346 pingjockey
You and me both.
BTW, how’s summer vacation and the kid getting along?
It’s been short. School starts soon.
359 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:19:51pm |
361 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:20:21pm |
362 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:20:52pm |
re: #316 Buck
Michael Medved - Birthers damage conservative movement- makes us look not suitable for civilized company.
Good for Medved. An accurate, detailed summary.
363 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:21:42pm |
re: #356 Kenneth
Not at all. Obama used it to, as Charles called it, deal the race card off the bottom of the deck. he used the phrase “jigger the door” and then joked about himself getting shot if it happened at his house. Obama is very careful with his language. He knew exactly what he was saying.
TOTUS wouldn’t have it any other way.
365 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:21:52pm |
re: #357 SixDegrees
I’m surprised they’re allowing that.
Did anyone besides me notice that The Manchurian Candidate was never shown during the Clinton Administration, or during Hillary’s primary run?
Coincidence? I don’t think so!
/
I saw it for the first time last year. Spooky.
Angela Lansbury was awesome.
366 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:22:04pm |
re: #343 soxfan4life
Wow, what a moron. Yes, police officers all across America historically stopped, detained, harassed, and sometimes attacked Black people, just because they were Black. Many, unfortunately, still do. We are all taught as children that we should run to a police officer if we’re ever in trouble, and it must be incredibly stressful and disheartening to realize that the police, who are armed with guns and the power to stop and even imprison people, are often not only failing to protect you, but are actually out to get you. It’s a serious, serious problem.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why this makes it okay for Professor Gates to go off on an abusive rampage against a police officer who was just doing his job appropriately. If I were a Black man, and I had to break into my own house because the door was stuck, I would want to see a police officer show up and determine what was going on. I would not want to live in a world where the police officers no longer respond to reports of possible crimes being committed by Black people.
367 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:22:07pm |
368 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:22:41pm |
re: #359 soxfan4life
I clipped it from Huff Po.
I know!
That writer is saying that black men are prone to go off on people just because they’re black.
369 | albusteve Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:22:44pm |
the boy and his toy
371 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:23:32pm |
re: #356 Kenneth
Not at all. Obama used it to, as Charles called it, deal the race card off the bottom of the deck. he used the phrase “jigger the door” and then joked about himself getting shot if it happened at his house. Obama is very careful with his language. He knew exactly what he was saying.
When heard him refer the The White house as”his house”, I just thought ,”no it’s the people’s house and you are a temporary tenant.”
373 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:23:56pm |
re: #366 Last Mohican
Wow, what a moron. Yes, police officers all across America historically stopped, detained, harassed, and sometimes attacked Black people, just because they were Black. Many, unfortunately, still do. We are all taught as children that we should run to a police officer if we’re ever in trouble, and it must be incredibly stressful and disheartening to realize that the police, who are armed with guns and the power to stop and even imprison people, are often not only failing to protect you, but are actually out to get you. It’s a serious, serious problem.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why this makes it okay for Professor Gates to go off on an abusive rampage against a police officer who was just doing his job appropriately. If I were a Black man, and I had to break into my own house because the door was stuck, I would want to see a police officer show up and determine what was going on. I would not want to live in a world where the police officers no longer respond to reports of possible crimes being committed by Black people.
I wonder what Gates’ response would have been had that been a break in and he came home and found out the police officer failed to do a thorough check of the premises. The black man in America gets no justice.
374 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:24:36pm |
re: #343 soxfan4life
Notice how the MSM went to the bat for Sarah Palin’s ex-brother in law, the Alaska State Trooper who threatened to kill Palin and her father during divorce proceedings, but are looking for any kind of dirt on Sgt. Crowley…
375 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:24:43pm |
re: #366 Last Mohican
I would not want to live in a world where the police officers no longer respond to reports of possible crimes being committed by Black people.
Or, on black people.
376 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:24:49pm |
re: #371 n in wi
When heard him refer the The White house as”his house”, I just thought ,”no it’s the people’s house and you are a temporary tenant.”
Can the landlord evict him yet?
377 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:24:56pm |
re: #368 MandyManners
I know!
That writer is saying that black men are prone to go off on people just because they’re black.
With all the bannings from the picture thread, I didn’t want to take any chance.
378 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:25:47pm |
re: #373 soxfan4life
I wonder what Gates’ response would have been had that been a break in and he came home and found out the police officer failed to do a thorough check of the premises. The black man in America gets no justice.
The reason the front door was stuck was because of a previous break in.
/any bets on the response time for the next burglary call to that address?
379 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:26:01pm |
re: #371 n in wi
When heard him refer the The White house as”his house”, I just thought ,”no it’s the people’s house and you are a temporary tenant.”
And, notice how he refered to the White House lawn as “my lawn” during his presser about Crowley yesterday?
380 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:26:09pm |
re: #374 Fenway_Nation
Notice how the MSM went to the bat for Sarah Palin’s ex-brother in law, the Alaska State Trooper who threatened to kill Palin and her father during divorce proceedings, but are looking for any kind of dirt on Sgt. Crowley…
But they refuse to do any digging on the two cop killer friends of the commie bastard.
381 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:26:36pm |
re: #357 SixDegrees
I’m surprised they’re allowing that.
Did anyone besides me notice that The Manchurian Candidate was never shown during the Clinton Administration, or during Hillary’s primary run?
Coincidence? I don’t think so!
/
re: #376 Kenneth
Can the landlord evict him yet?
The lease is up for renewal in Nov. 2012
382 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:26:47pm |
re: #377 soxfan4life
With all the bannings from the picture thread, I didn’t want to take any chance.
I never thought that was written by you.
383 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:27:31pm |
re: #379 MandyManners
And did you notice how he referred to the press corp as “My bitch”?
384 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:27:34pm |
re: #351 Killian Bundy
/um, no, he was arrested for disorderly conduct, nice try moving the goalposts though
Hey, her lie was tame! She merely claimed that her father was arrested for breaking into his own house. The meme floating around the Race Industry now is that he was arrested for “being home while black.”
385 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:28:05pm |
re: #377 soxfan4life
With all the bannings from the picture thread, I didn’t want to take any chance.
Who besides IF?
387 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:28:09pm |
re: #378 Killian Bundy
The reason the front door was stuck was because of a previous break in.
/any bets on the response time for the next burglary call to that address?
Immediate ‘cause the cops are professionals.
388 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:28:28pm |
re: #381 n in wi
The lease is up for renewal in Nov. 2012
That property is owned by the tax exempt entity that is Harvard University, so they get police protection without having to pay for it. Just a nice little slap in the face.
389 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:28:40pm |
re: #383 Kenneth
And did you notice how he referred to the press corp as “My bitch”?
And them nodding in approval?
390 | srb1976 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:28:45pm |
Afternoon folks…just stopping in for a bit before making dinner…hope everyone is having a lovely Saturday = )
391 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:29:02pm |
392 | albusteve Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:29:22pm |
393 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:29:28pm |
re: #385 J.D.
Who besides IF?
At last count, 35 people were banned, most of them rarely posted before… ie. trolls.
394 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:29:32pm |
re: #385 J.D.
Who besides IF?
This AM Charles said 35 people. Including nevergiveup and ironfists 7 sock puppets.
395 | capitalist piglet Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:29:34pm |
re: #371 n in wi
When heard him refer the The White house as”his house”, I just thought ,”no it’s the people’s house and you are a temporary tenant.”
He’s done this before. He was talking about the theater or the bowling alley…I can’t recall, but he said something like, “I have a [theater?] in my house,” referring to the White House.
396 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:30:08pm |
re: #388 soxfan4life
That property is owned by the tax exempt entity that is Harvard University, so they get police protection without having to pay for it. Just a nice little slap in the face.
I was referring to the White house
397 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:30:13pm |
re: #391 MandyManners
That was a joke dear, not a direct quote. Call it fake but accurate.
398 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:30:32pm |
re: #394 soxfan4life
I kinda hope Nevergiveup asks to come back.
399 | calcajun Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:30:43pm |
re: #379 MandyManners
And, notice how he refered to the White House lawn as “my lawn” during his presser about Crowley yesterday?
And will he have a lawn jockey? Flamingos?
The more I look at him, the more he strikes me as a nouveau riche snob.
I’ve know old money types and some can be pretty cool. More often than not, it’s the new money types that come across as arrogant.
400 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:30:44pm |
re: #397 Kenneth
That was a joke dear, not a direct quote. Call it fake but accurate.
*whew* I was wondering how I missed that one.
401 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:30:54pm |
re: #316 Buck
Michael Medved - Birthers damage conservative movement- makes us look not suitable for civilized company.
It would be nice if Michael Medved applied that same standard to his misguided and foolish creationist beliefs. He’s a fellow at the incredibly dishonest creationist “think tank,” the Discovery Institute, and he often promotes “intelligent design” creationism on his radio show.
402 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:31:25pm |
re: #384 Last Mohican
Hey, her lie was tame! She merely claimed that her father was arrested for breaking into his own house. The meme floating around the Race Industry now is that he was arrested for “being home while black.”
No she is saying he was “wrongly accused of breaking into his own home”.
Not arrested, but accused.
The part of the article that should be explored is where Gates says the police report was full of lies. Without actually giving his version of what happened. There were many witnesses…
403 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:31:28pm |
re: #399 calcajun
And will he have a lawn jockey? Flamingos?
The more I look at him, the more he strikes me as a nouveau riche snob.
I’ve know old money types and some can be pretty cool. More often than not, it’s the new money types that come across as arrogant.
Yep, and a narcissist to boot!
404 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:33:05pm |
405 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:33:07pm |
re: #380 soxfan4life
Take it for what it’s worth, but Ayers still pals around with cop-killers to the point of raising their kids for them.
I give you Chesa Boudin, prototypical red diaper baby, Rhodes scholar recipient and Ayer’s foster son.
You see, Boudin’s natural parents- Weather Underground terrorists- couldn’t raise him because both are serving their time for their role in the murders of two Nyack, NY policemen and a Brinks guard in a 1981 Armoured truck robbery.
406 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:33:09pm |
re: #398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I kinda hope Nevergiveup asks to come back.
Hi Veggie! Long time no see…I have a huge bowl of Fruit waiting for me to eat…:)
hope you are well
407 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:33:12pm |
re: #365 MandyManners
I saw it for the first time last year. Spooky.
Angela Lansbury was awesome.
Lansbury rocked that role. The urge to strangle her character just keeps getting stronger and stronger as the film progresses. The movie follows the book very closely, but the movie only hinted at the relationship between Raymond and his mommy, which was a lot more…twisted…in the novel.
Sinatra was also surprisingly good. He could actually act.
What’s really creepy about it is the close parallel with Bubba/Hillary and their connections with China. It’s like a documentary on their rise to power, with a different ending.
408 | ladycatnip Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:33:19pm |
#373 soxfanforlife
I wonder what Gates’ response would have been had that been a break in and he came home and found out the police officer failed to do a thorough check of the premises. The black man in America gets no justice.
The beauty of this kind of bigotry is this scenario could have gone any number of ways, and regardless of which way it went the cops are screwed. What if there really were someone hiding out - Gates throws the cops out and doesn’t allow them to check the premises; Gates then gets injured by bad guy - the lawsuit would be swift and sure, and of course he’d blame the cops for not being thorough, not doing their job because he was a black man.
It’s definitely a no-win situation for the police.
409 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:34:30pm |
re: #378 Killian Bundy
The reason the front door was stuck was because of a previous break in.
/any bets on the response time for the next burglary call to that address?
I wonder if any home invasion crooks have thought of that.
410 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:35:36pm |
re: #407 SixDegrees
Sinatra was very good in that movie. I love that scene when he says, “It’s not that he was hard to like… he was impossible to like!”
411 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:36:38pm |
re: #356 Kenneth
Not at all. Obama used it to, as Charles called it, deal the race card off the bottom of the deck. he used the phrase “jigger the door” and then joked about himself getting shot if it happened at his house. Obama is very careful with his language. He knew exactly what he was saying.
See below for a dictionary definition of jigger:
Main Entry:
3jigger
Function:
verb
Etymology:
frequentative of 2jig
Date: 1867intransitive verb : to jerk up and down transitive verb : to alter or rearrange especially by manipulating
When he referred to getting shot, I assumed he was referring to the fact that the White House is extremely well guarded. If you assumed something else, aren’t you, like Gates, assuming the worst?
412 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:36:45pm |
re: #402 Buck
No she is saying he was “wrongly accused of breaking into his own home”.
Not arrested, but accused.
Who exactly ever accused him of that?
/Crowley?
414 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:37:11pm |
415 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:37:51pm |
re: #407 SixDegrees
Lansbury rocked that role. The urge to strangle her character just keeps getting stronger and stronger as the film progresses. The movie follows the book very closely, but the movie only hinted at the relationship between Raymond and his mommy, which was a lot more…twisted…in the novel.
Sinatra was also surprisingly good. He could actually act.
What’s really creepy about it is the close parallel with Bubba/Hillary and their connections with China. It’s like a documentary on their rise to power, with a different ending.
The phrase that comes to mind when I think of Lansbury’s character is “stone-cold bitch”.
416 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:37:56pm |
Expert is as expert does [Mark Steyn]
OMG!
Click on the link to see Thomas Friedman’s house. Holy hell!
417 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:38:31pm |
re: #375 MandyManners
Or, on black people.
Caller: Help, there’s a robber in my house, and he’s holding my husband at gunpoint!
911 Dispatcher: Please try to calm down, ma’am. Is the mugger Black, Hispanic, Native American, or Asian or Pacific Islander?
Caller: He’s Black. Why is that important?
911 Dispatcher: I’m sorry ma’am, in that case I won’t be able to dispatch an officer to your house. This Department does not engage in racial profiling. I suggest that you try to escape through a back door if possible.
Caller: Racial profiling? But I don’t understand. I’m Black too!
911 Dispatcher: That makes no difference to us, ma’am. It’s your husband who is being held at gunpoint, not you.
Caller: But my husband is Black too!
911 Dispatcher: Ah! You should have said so! In that case, I’ll send an officer right over. Just as soon as we can locate an officer who is also Black. There aren’t any Black officers in your neighborhood right now, and we can only send Black officers to respond to crimes being committed by Black perpetrators. Otherwise, there would be an unacceptable risk of racial profiling. I estimate you’ll have to wait about 30 minutes or so for the Black officer to arrive. If the robber does shoot your husband before he gets there, then you may at least take comfort in the fact that the shooter was not racially profiled. Have a nice day!
418 | itellu3times Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:39:25pm |
These guys say El Nino is an overwhelming predictor of global temperatures.
Which presumably is volcanic in origin, not related to Al Gore’s tailpipe.
Nor even solar output. Factor that in too, and I think that’s about it for AGW.
419 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:39:31pm |
re: #415 MandyManners
The phrase that comes to mind when I think of Lansbury’s character is “stone-cold bitch”.
The really cool part is that Angela was just a couple years older then he was. Saw that movie a few years back and was impressed.
420 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:40:03pm |
re: #412 Killian Bundy
Who exactly ever accused him of that?
/Crowley?
She doesn’t say… but it is clear that SOMEONE thought he might have broken into the house.
My point is we are no better if we change what she wrote from accused to arrested.
421 | MandyManners Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:40:04pm |
re: #417 Last Mohican
Caller: Help, there’s a robber in my house, and he’s holding my husband at gunpoint!
911 Dispatcher: Please try to calm down, ma’am. Is the mugger Black, Hispanic, Native American, or Asian or Pacific Islander?
Caller: He’s Black. Why is that important?
911 Dispatcher: I’m sorry ma’am, in that case I won’t be able to dispatch an officer to your house. This Department does not engage in racial profiling. I suggest that you try to escape through a back door if possible.
Caller: Racial profiling? But I don’t understand. I’m Black too!
911 Dispatcher: That makes no difference to us, ma’am. It’s your husband who is being held at gunpoint, not you.
Caller: But my husband is Black too!
911 Dispatcher: Ah! You should have said so! In that case, I’ll send an officer right over. Just as soon as we can locate an officer who is also Black. There aren’t any Black officers in your neighborhood right now, and we can only send Black officers to respond to crimes being committed by Black perpetrators. Otherwise, there would be an unacceptable risk of racial profiling. I estimate you’ll have to wait about 30 minutes or so for the Black officer to arrive. If the robber does shoot your husband before he gets there, then you may at least take comfort in the fact that the shooter was not racially profiled. Have a nice day!
That would make a bizarre SNL skit.
422 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:40:07pm |
423 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:40:49pm |
424 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:40:50pm |
re: #411 JustMyView
Obama was painting a picture. He used the word jigger, hardly a word in common usage, because it rhymes with a certain other word. Then he described a scenario where he gets shot. Just for being black. His intention was to stir up the race-baiting pot. He did it before and he will do it again.
He calibrated his words carefully.
425 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:41:33pm |
re: #422 Last Mohican
Nevergiveup was banned?
Kept bickering across different threads with Kilgore Trout. He was warned to knock it off but didn’t heed the warning.
426 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:41:43pm |
re: #410 Kenneth
Sinatra was very good in that movie. I love that scene when he says, “It’s not that he was hard to like… he was impossible to like!”
I’ve stayed as far away as possible from the recent remake. The original simply can’t be improved upon.
I heard the remake sucked. Not surprising.
427 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:01pm |
re: #420 Buck
She doesn’t say… but it is clear that SOMEONE thought he might have broken into the house.
Yeah, like the 911 caller.
/he wasn’t arrested for burglary
428 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:09pm |
429 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:11pm |
Anyone following the Rick Sanchez thing?
He twittered the following…
“do u know how much money i’d make if i’d sold out as hispanic and worked at fox news, r u kidding, one problem, looking in mirror”
Now Julie Banderas has responded…
As a wise Latina woman, I have no comment other than to say If I were Rick Sanchez, I wouldn’t look in the mirror, period.
430 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:15pm |
re: #426 SixDegrees
I’ve stayed as far away as possible from the recent remake. The original simply can’t be improved upon.
I heard the remake sucked. Not surprising.
Isn’t that the case with most remakes?
431 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:20pm |
re: #401 Charles
It would be nice if Michael Medved applied that same standard to his misguided and foolish creationist beliefs. He’s a fellow at the incredibly dishonest creationist “think tank,” the Discovery Institute, and he often promotes “intelligent design” creationism on his radio show.
Sure, no one is perfect.
However I thought the article was a nice summary…
432 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:30pm |
re: #426 SixDegrees
Didn’t the re-make swap out the Red Commies for an eeevil Corporate Neo-con cabal of some sort?
433 | haakondahl Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:33pm |
re: #401 Charles
It would be nice if Michael Medved applied that same standard to his misguided and foolish creationist beliefs. He’s a fellow at the incredibly dishonest creationist “think tank,” the Discovery Institute, and he often promotes “intelligent design” creationism on his radio show.
Right now, I’ll be happy with half-a-gainer. ID is chronic; Nirtherism is acute.
434 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:43pm |
re: #411 JustMyView
re: #417 Last Mohican
Caller: Help, there’s a robber in my house, and he’s holding my husband at gunpoint!
911 Dispatcher: Please try to calm down, ma’am. Is the mugger Black, Hispanic, Native American, or Asian or Pacific Islander?
Caller: He’s Black. Why is that important?
911 Dispatcher: I’m sorry ma’am, in that case I won’t be able to dispatch an officer to your house. This Department does not engage in racial profiling. I suggest that you try to escape through a back door if possible.
Caller: Racial profiling? But I don’t understand. I’m Black too!
911 Dispatcher: That makes no difference to us, ma’am. It’s your husband who is being held at gunpoint, not you.
Caller: But my husband is Black too!
911 Dispatcher: Ah! You should have said so! In that case, I’ll send an officer right over. Just as soon as we can locate an officer who is also Black. There aren’t any Black officers in your neighborhood right now, and we can only send Black officers to respond to crimes being committed by Black perpetrators. Otherwise, there would be an unacceptable risk of racial profiling. I estimate you’ll have to wait about 30 minutes or so for the Black officer to arrive. If the robber does shoot your husband before he gets there, then you may at least take comfort in the fact that the shooter was not racially profiled. Have a nice day!
And Sotomeyer would rule in favor of the dispatcher.
435 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:47pm |
re: #417 Last Mohican
If the robber does shoot your husband before he gets there, then you may at least take comfort in the fact that the shooter was not racially profiled. Have a nice day!
Also, if that happens, please call back to let us know so we can disregard your first call!
436 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:42:57pm |
re: #424 Kenneth
You may be right, but I really don’t think that’s what Obama meant at all. I definitely do not think he was implying that he would be shot because he too is black. I think he was just making an off-topic joke, because he likes to feel like he entertains a crowd, and because he realized that he was about to comment on a controversial subject and wanted to defuse the tension of the situation.
437 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:43:26pm |
re: #415 MandyManners
The phrase that comes to mind when I think of Lansbury’s character is “stone-cold bitch”.
Oh, man - she is unbelievably evil in that role. For those who only know her from Murder, She Wrote, it’s a shocking change of character.
I may have to order that from Amazon. It’s been a while since I’ve seen it.
438 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:43:44pm |
re: #436 Last Mohican
You may be right, but I really don’t think that’s what Obama meant at all. I definitely do not think he was implying that he would be shot because he too is black. I think he was just making an off-topic joke, because he likes to feel like he entertains a crowd, and because he realized that he was about to comment on a controversial subject and wanted to defuse the tension of the situation.
Plus it gave him a chance to eat up minutes that could be used to ask about health care reform.
439 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:44:07pm |
re: #438 soxfan4life
Plus it gave him a chance to eat up minutes that could be used to ask about health care reform.
True.
440 | Pianobuff Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:44:27pm |
re: #424 Kenneth
Obama was painting a picture. He used the word jigger, hardly a word in common usage, because it rhymes with a certain other word. Then he described a scenario where he gets shot. Just for being black. His intention was to stir up the race-baiting pot. He did it before and he will do it again.
He calibrated his words carefully.
Hmmm… now I’m getting flashbacks of “lipstick on a pig”, scratching his face with his middle finger, wiping bird crap off of his shoulder and show to the knowing laughs off the crowd.
A pattern? Everyone said you would be nuts to think so.
441 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:45:12pm |
442 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:45:18pm |
re: #438 soxfan4life
BTW, soxfan…how are 0bama’s comments playing inside the Hub?
443 | ladycatnip Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:46:34pm |
#424 Kenneth
Obama was painting a picture. He used the word jigger, hardly a word in common usage, because it rhymes with a certain other word. Then he described a scenario where he gets shot. Just for being black. His intention was to stir up the race-baiting pot. He did it before and he will do it again.
He calibrated his words carefully.
Totally agree with you. It reminds me of the D.C. Mayor’s aid having to resign because he used the term “niggardly’ in relation to money. That word just isn’t used anymore.
Just as I don’t think Obama used that word innocently, it’s really hard to believe this guy was innocent as well. Innocent, but Freudian? Nah.
444 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:46:40pm |
re: #436 Last Mohican
That was exactly the point Obama was making. This is not the first time Obama has referred to his race to make a racially divisive rhetorical point.
445 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:47:07pm |
re: #442 Fenway_Nation
BTW, soxfan…how are 0bama’s comments playing inside the Hub?
Mixed bag, there are so many here that if 0 told them to eat their young they would. But the common guy on the street thinks he stepped on it big time, and they’re not real impressed about the beer invite either.
447 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:47:45pm |
448 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:48:16pm |
449 | ladycatnip Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:48:40pm |
#436 Last Mohican
You may be right, but I really don’t think that’s what Obama meant at all. I definitely do not think he was implying that he would be shot because he too is black. I think he was just making an off-topic joke, because he likes to feel like he entertains a crowd, and because he realized that he was about to comment on a controversial subject and wanted to defuse the tension of the situation.
That job description falls well below the O’s paygrade.
450 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:48:47pm |
451 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:49:18pm |
re: #424 Kenneth
Obama was painting a picture. He used the word jigger, hardly a word in common usage, because it rhymes with a certain other word. Then he described a scenario where he gets shot. Just for being black. His intention was to stir up the race-baiting pot. He did it before and he will do it again.
He calibrated his words carefully.
No “Umm”s, no “awe”s, no pauses to find words. Like he knew the question was coming and what his response would be.
452 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:49:21pm |
re: #448 Fenway_Nation
Gamey troll buttocks- duh!
There’s been a noticable surplus of those lately…
With the numbers from yesterday, we need to smoke em or pickle them for preservation.
453 | Joshua Cohen Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:49:25pm |
454 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:49:47pm |
re: #430 soxfan4life
Isn’t that the case with most remakes?
Pretty much. The only movies that get remade are the ones that were excellent to begin with. At which point, the thinking process breaks down: “Hey! Gone With the Wind was a huge hit, a masterpiece, perfection as far as the genre goes…let’s redo it!” Uh, what?
There’s an update of Forbidden Planet currently in production. The producers aren’t stupid, however; instead of a remake, they’re setting it as a prequel to the original film, following the story of the ill-fated Bellerophon expedition that motivated the original. Smart move.
I’m having trouble thinking of a single sequel that equals it’s original. Maybe The Thing, but that’s not saying much.
455 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:49:55pm |
re: #447 soxfan4life
What does one feed a horde?
Horse milk and grits.
/ ducks and runs in serpentine pattern.
456 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:50:03pm |
re: #448 Fenway_Nation
Really, it has seemed to me they’ve been in short supply, except I heard the witch doctor thread was chock full of trolls and other creatures from the pit.
457 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:50:40pm |
re: #424 Kenneth
Obama was painting a picture. He used the word jigger, hardly a word in common usage, because it rhymes with a certain other word. Then he described a scenario where he gets shot. Just for being black. His intention was to stir up the race-baiting pot. He did it before and he will do it again.
He calibrated his words carefully.
Really… what is the other choice? That he misspoke? Again? He has the reputation of being well spoken… This was not an off the cuff remark in a random setting. He was in front of the Whitehouse press core, and on camera in front of the world. No one ‘well spoken’ and articulate would let themselves be caught misspeaking.
You are very right. He was sending a very specific message. Or he is an idiot… no other choice.
458 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:50:53pm |
re: #424 Kenneth
Obama was painting a picture. He used the word jigger, hardly a word in common usage, because it rhymes with a certain other word. Then he described a scenario where he gets shot. Just for being black. His intention was to stir up the race-baiting pot. He did it before and he will do it again.
He calibrated his words carefully.
You know this how? Do you have a certificate in mind-reading?
459 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:50:56pm |
re: #444 Kenneth
That was exactly the point Obama was making. This is not the first time Obama has referred to his race to make a racially divisive rhetorical point.
He has certainly referred to his race to make racially divisive points. In fact, a fundamental basis of his campaign, one endorsed vigorously by the entire mainstream media and the majority of the people who live in my neck of the woods, was the idea that anyone who criticizes Obama in any way must necessarily be a racist. And, without a doubt, Obama chose to take a racially divisive position in this case.
But I just don’t think he meant to imply that he’d be shot because he’s black, only because people who try to break into the White House get shot.
460 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:51:35pm |
re: #432 Fenway_Nation
Didn’t the re-make swap out the Red Commies for an eeevil Corporate Neo-con cabal of some sort?
I think so. Like I said, I haven’t even gone near it, but someone mentioned a severe plot distortion along those lines.
It bombed in the theaters. I bet they could re-release a restored version of the original and break records with it.
461 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:51:55pm |
A little Saturday afternoon music. :)
462 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:51:55pm |
re: #456 pingjockey
There was open registration a few days before the witch doctor thread. At least one stalker came by to drop deuce well before the witch doctor made an appearence…
463 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:51:59pm |
re: #459 Last Mohican
He has certainly referred to his race to make racially divisive points. In fact, a fundamental basis of his campaign, one endorsed vigorously by the entire mainstream media and the majority of the people who live in my neck of the woods, was the idea that anyone who criticizes Obama in any way must necessarily be a racist. And, without a doubt, Obama chose to take a racially divisive position in this case.
But I just don’t think he meant to imply that he’d be shot because he’s black, only because people who try to break into the White House get shot.
Don’t forget Michelle told us that he is likely to get shot going to the gas station.
464 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:52:52pm |
re: #458 JustMyView
You know this how? Do you have a certificate in mind-reading?
No, Kenneth has a certificate in Having An Opinion. Just like you have a certificate in…
okay, I’m not gonna say it.
465 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:53:02pm |
re: #458 JustMyView
You know this how? Do you have a certificate in mind-reading?
Show the certificate. We must see the certificate.
467 | Randall Gross Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:53:39pm |
re: #454 SixDegrees
Pretty much. The only movies that get remade are the ones that were excellent to begin with. At which point, the thinking process breaks down: “Hey! Gone With the Wind was a huge hit, a masterpiece, perfection as far as the genre goes…let’s redo it!” Uh, what?
There’s an update of Forbidden Planet currently in production. The producers aren’t stupid, however; instead of a remake, they’re setting it as a prequel to the original film, following the story of the ill-fated Bellerophon expedition that motivated the original. Smart move.
I’m having trouble thinking of a single sequel that equals it’s original. Maybe The Thing, but that’s not saying much.
The one that comes to mind for me is Tombstone - the shoot out at OK Corral has been done a few times in movies.
468 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:53:48pm |
re: #458 JustMyView
You know this how? Do you have a certificate in mind-reading?
So all that BS we heard during the campaign about him being intelligent and well spoken should be disregarded?
469 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:53:52pm |
re: #462 Fenway_Nation
Ah ha. Haven’t been on as much as I’d like!
470 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:54:08pm |
re: #460 SixDegrees
A movie where a presidential candidate and his communist supoprters do their utmost to hide the candidate’s socialist influences?
/No thanks…living the dream nightmare already
471 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:54:17pm |
re: #464 Last Mohican
No, Kenneth has a certificate in Having An Opinion. Just like you have a certificate in…
okay, I’m not gonna say it.
Stupidly
473 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:55:07pm |
re: #465 n in wi
Show the certificate. We must see the certificate.
Wait a second. Are you saying that Kenneth was reading minds without an official government-issued Mind Reading Certificate?
475 | albusteve Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:55:59pm |
re: #465 n in wi
Show the certificate. We must see the certificate.
if you are not certified, raise your hand
476 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:56:04pm |
re: #473 Last Mohican
Wait a second. Are you saying that Kenneth was reading minds without an official government-issued Mind Reading Certificate?
Nither referance
477 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:56:08pm |
re: #474 Cathypop
Maybe he’ll apologize and be let back in.
478 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:56:13pm |
re: #474 Cathypop
Me to.
Hopefully he doesn’t go over to the stalker blog and have a goddess type meltdown.
479 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:56:27pm |
480 | AuntAcid Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:56:44pm |
481 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:56:52pm |
re: #470 Fenway_Nation
A movie where a presidential candidate and his communist supoprters do their utmost to hide the candidate’s socialist influences?
/No thanks…living the
dreamnightmare already
Not to mention that those capitalist pigs discover and foil their plot.
482 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:56:55pm |
re: #473 Last Mohican
I’ve got one around here somewhere, as soon as you make E-6 or a higher NCO you automatically get a mind reading cert. So as to keep up with your troops and Div. Officers.
483 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:56:56pm |
re: #438 soxfan4life
Plus it gave him a chance to eat up minutes that could be used to ask about health care reform.
Why would you think he didn’t want to talk about health care? He called a press conference to talk about it. He’s given numerous interviews on the topic. He visited two medical centers last week to call attention to health care issues. He’s used his weekly radio/video address to talk about health care.
If he is avoiding the topic, he’s taking a mighty peculiar approach to the task.
485 | Cathypop Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:58:09pm |
re: #477 Last Mohican
Got my fingers crossed because I like him.
486 | FrogMarch Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:58:14pm |
487 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:58:17pm |
Oh! I thought it was now “health insurance reform” and not “health care reform”.
It changes, it seems.
488 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:58:46pm |
490 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:59:03pm |
491 | Bobblehead Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:59:43pm |
492 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:59:55pm |
re: #473 Last Mohican
Wait a second. Are you saying that Kenneth was reading minds without an official government-issued Mind Reading Certificate?
Quick call Psi Corp. They have to bring him in…
/the corp is mother, the corp is father.
493 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:00:54pm |
re: #483 JustMyView
Why would you think he didn’t want to talk about health care? He called a press conference to talk about it. He’s given numerous interviews on the topic. He visited two medical centers last week to call attention to health care issues. He’s used his weekly radio/video address to talk about health care.
If he is avoiding the topic, he’s taking a mighty peculiar approach to the task.
He has managed to remain vague about it. The Democrats in Congress can pass this with 0 help from the Republicans, so why are they even bothering listening to them. Because when this tird hits the fan they want to be able blame the Republicans. Hard to take the credit for something this disatrous to the economy, between this and cap and trade this Congress will finish the attacks on our economy bin Laden was hoping to accomplish on 9/11/2001
494 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:00:56pm |
re: #483 JustMyView
Because he wants to pose in impressive locations and sell his position, not accept questions from people who might point out the flaws in his plan. At least that was the idea.
It must be a rough gig, hanging out at someone’s blog and ] attacking what everyone says all the time. But someone’s gotta do it. Maybe you should drop Mike Rowe a line.
495 | callahan23 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:01:33pm |
re: #485 Cathypop
Got my fingers crossed because I like him.
Can’t we all apologi …
I hope he does and behaves.
496 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:01:35pm |
re: #483 JustMyView
Why would you think he didn’t want to talk about health care? He called a press conference to talk about it. He’s given numerous interviews on the topic. He visited two medical centers last week to call attention to health care issues. He’s used his weekly radio/video address to talk about health care.
If he is avoiding the topic, he’s taking a mighty peculiar approach to the task.
The question was staged. Watch the last couple of questions not just the last one and you will see. Someone stood up without being named and got 0 out of sequence. It was all planned. And practiced.
497 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:01:41pm |
498 | FrogMarch Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:02:25pm |
re: #490 J.D.
I already posted it.
;-P
It’s a big one!
ah! Sorry J.D. - I’ve been in the kitchen cooking all day. I just popped in to say hi. All I can say is - holy crap that’s one big lefty carbon footprint.
I suppose you posted this gem from Steyn - hilarious as usual.
Well, obviously, being a renowned expert, Thomas Friedman, like Al Gore and the Prince of Wales, needs a supersized carbon footprint. But you don’t - you can get by beating your laundry on the rocks down by the river with the native women all day long.
499 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:02:43pm |
re: #416 J.D.
Expert is as expert does [Mark Steyn]
OMG!
Click on the link to see Thomas Friedman’s house. Holy hell!
That’s a helluva big house for a journalist who turns in one or two columns a week.
But the people criticizing Mark Steyn for saying:
If you’re 29, there has been no global warming for your entire adult life. If you’re graduating high school, there has been no global warming since you entered first grade.
… are right. This statement is misleading to the point of being false, and I notice that Steyn doesn’t even try to defend it in that post. In reality, there’s a very broad scientific consensus that the climate is undergoing a long term warming trend. The fact that we have cold winters, or years when the climate seems cooler, is irrelevant to this long term trend — which has an enormous amount of evidence and documentation behind it.
I think there’s a lot of unnecessary alarmism going around about climate change. But the fact of global warming isn’t really debatable in a scientific way.
The real debate is all on the political side right now. I don’t like to see some of the distortions on either side, but the “conservative” distortions of the scientific data are far worse, in my opinion. People like James Inhofe are deliberately lying about the data, and distorting what they don’t lie about.
I no longer buy the right wing line on climate change. I’ve been doing a lot of reading and research on this recently, and I’ve concluded that there’s too much evidence to deny it.
500 | wrenchwench Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:02:44pm |
re: #483 JustMyView
Why would you think he didn’t want to talk about health care? He called a press conference to talk about it. He’s given numerous interviews on the topic. He visited two medical centers last week to call attention to health care issues. He’s used his weekly radio/video address to talk about health care.
If he is avoiding the topic, he’s taking a mighty peculiar approach to the task.
He did want to talk about it, he just didn’t want to answer questions about it.
501 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:02:57pm |
re: #487 J.D.
Oh! I thought it was now “health insurance reform” and not “health care reform”.
It changes, it seems.
When we have people dying in the streets from the plague and whatnot that is a health care crisis.
502 | n in wi Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:03:33pm |
re: #483 JustMyView
Why would you think he didn’t want to talk about health care? He called a press conference to talk about it. He’s given numerous interviews on the topic. He visited two medical centers last week to call attention to health care issues. He’s used his weekly radio/video address to talk about health care.
If he is avoiding the topic, he’s taking a mighty peculiar approach to the task.
He had a press conference to fool the gullible into thinking he had a grasp on the topic. Notice no particulars on the House bill?
He took 11 questions in 1 hr. That’s 5 and a half minutes per answer. Filled with platitudes and hype.
Hillary-care went down when details where revealed, Daschle warned him not to let that happen to him.
503 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:03:50pm |
re: #496 VegasRick
The question was staged. Watch the last couple of questions not just the last one and you will see. Someone stood up without being named and got 0 out of sequence. It was all planned. And practiced.
An interesting hypothesis. Obama certainly has taken the art of planting questions at press conferences to previously unprecedented levels. I’ll have to check the videotape and see if I agree with you.
And by the way, I’m not going to enjoy this. In fact, during that press conference, I actually walked out of a store where I had been shopping, because they had the press conference on the TV, and I couldn’t bear to listen to Obama speak any more.
504 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:04:00pm |
re: #458 JustMyView
You know this how? Do you have a certificate in mind-reading?
Do you think that a man of his experience would NOT think about what he is saying while in front of the Whitehouse press core and on camera for the world?
This was not a golf course or handshake line…
Do you think he didn’t think about what he was saying? Do you think he was just going off, with no real clue about what his words mean?
505 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:04:15pm |
re: #494 Last Mohican
Because he wants to pose in impressive locations and sell his position, not accept questions from people who might point out the flaws in his plan. At least that was the idea.
But I thought the press corps was in the tank for him—that all the questions were planted. Why should he be concerned about taking their questions?
506 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:04:23pm |
re: #498 FrogMarch
I suppose you posted this gem from Steyn - hilarious as usual.
Well… just the link… and only because it is hilarious!
507 | soxfan4life Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:05:10pm |
re: #505 JustMyView
But I thought the press corps was in the tank for him—that all the questions were planted. Why should he be concerned about taking their questions?
Even a blind squirrel gets an occasional nut.
508 | pingjockey Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:06:39pm |
re: #505 JustMyView
Because of little items called facts or the truth of what this mess is going to do to health care and the economy and the man can’t answer a frakkin’ question in less than five minutes.
509 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:06:42pm |
Here’s a pretty balanced book on the subject of climate change:
The Science and Politics of Global Climate Change: A Guide to the Debate.
510 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:07:00pm |
re: #505 JustMyView
But I thought the press corps was in the tank for him—that all the questions were planted. Why should he be concerned about taking their questions?
Good lord, where are you getting all this straw?
Can you direct me to the comment where someone said that 100% of the questions that Obama is asked at press conferences were always guaranteed to be planted? And no fair linking to Alex Jones’ site, it has to be on LGF.
511 | SixDegrees Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:07:30pm |
re: #503 Last Mohican
An interesting hypothesis. Obama certainly has taken the art of planting questions at press conferences to previously unprecedented levels. I’ll have to check the videotape and see if I agree with you.
And by the way, I’m not going to enjoy this. In fact, during that press conference, I actually walked out of a store where I had been shopping, because they had the press conference on the TV, and I couldn’t bear to listen to Obama speak any more.
You’re not the only won. Lots of people are expressing the view that 0 has oversaturated the media with his presence. He gives a prepared speech nearly every day, and constantly demands prime time coverage for various pointless spews. People get burned out easily; he’s overstayed his welcome, and people are tired of it. Aren’t there reruns of American Idol on to watch?
512 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:07:51pm |
re: #503 Last Mohican
An interesting hypothesis. Obama certainly has taken the art of planting questions at press conferences to previously unprecedented levels. I’ll have to check the videotape and see if I agree with you.
And by the way, I’m not going to enjoy this. In fact, during that press conference, I actually walked out of a store where I had been shopping, because they had the press conference on the TV, and I couldn’t bear to listen to Obama speak any more.
Watch for the part where they make sure that Sneed’s question (the racism one) is asked. I’d like to hear your take on it.
513 | FrogMarch Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:08:38pm |
re: #499 Charles
I can respect that. I’m no expert - but I think that there is too much money going into proving global warming. There isn’t any grant money for scientists attempting to look into any other theory.
514 | Last Mohican Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:09:02pm |
re: #512 VegasRick
Watch for the part where they make sure that Sneed’s question (the racism one) is asked. I’d like to hear your take on it.
It’s gonna have to wait until I get home from work, but I will bravely scour youtube when I get home.
515 | FrogMarch Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:09:59pm |
re: #506 J.D.
Well… just the link… and only because it is hilarious!
Politics is part BS and part hilarity. The rest? - taxation and regulation.
516 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:11:26pm |
517 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:11:28pm |
re: #514 Last Mohican
It’s gonna have to wait until I get home from work, but I will bravely scour youtube when I get home.
Work.
*I’m goofing off as well.
518 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:12:40pm |
re: #499 Charles
… are right. This statement is misleading to the point of being false, and I notice that Steyn doesn’t even try to defend it in that post. In reality, there’s a very broad scientific consensus that the climate is undergoing a long term warming trend. The fact that we have cold winters, or years when the climate seems cooler, is irrelevant to this long term trend — which has an enormous amount of evidence and documentation behind it.
I think there’s a lot of unnecessary alarmism going around about climate change. But the fact of global warming isn’t really debatable in a scientific way.
The real debate is all on the political side right now. I don’t like to see some of the distortions on either side, but the “conservative” distortions of the scientific data are far worse, in my opinion. People like James Inhofe are deliberately lying about the data, and distorting what they don’t lie about.
I no longer buy the right wing line on climate change. I’ve been doing a lot of reading and research on this recently, and I’ve concluded that there’s too much evidence to deny it.
I don’t deny there are warmer and cooler trends in the climate. There always have been. Oftentimes, however, it seems to me that the man-made “cure” for what is said to “ail” us does more harm than good.
520 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:13:10pm |
521 | Macker Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:13:11pm |
re: #511 SixDegrees
You’re not the only won. Lots of people are expressing the view that 0 has oversaturated the media with his presence. He gives a prepared speech nearly every day, and constantly demands prime time coverage for various pointless spews. People get burned out easily; he’s overstayed his welcome, and people are tired of it. Aren’t there reruns of American
IdolEyeDull on to watch?
There, fixed that for ya!
522 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:13:32pm |
re: #499 Charles
That’s a helluva big house for a journalist who turns in one or two columns a week.
He’s sold lots of books too, and he gives lots of speeches for big fees. More important, though, his wife is areal estate heiress. Recently, the firm that was the basis of their fortune went bankrupt, but the family probably still has enough money to scrape by on.
523 | lobo91 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:13:36pm |
re: #513 FrogMarch
I can respect that. I’m no expert - but I think that there is too much money going into proving global warming. There isn’t any grant money for scientists attempting to look into any other theory.
And the people pushing the AGW scam use that fact as another way to discredit anyone who opposes them.
“Of course, you disagree…you’re bought and paid for by the oil companies…”
524 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:13:41pm |
re: #517 VegasRick
Work.
*I’m goofing off as well.
Yeah…I’ve got about 1:15 left…then I’ll have to go home and drink beer.
525 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:14:06pm |
re: #522 JustMyView
He’s sold lots of books too, and he gives lots of speeches for big fees. More important, though, his wife is a real estate heiress.
Well, there you go then!
526 | Joshua Cohen Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:14:23pm |
re: #513 FrogMarch
10.000 years ago - Venice was 260ft above sealevel - was damn hard to pull the gondola home every evening… ;)
527 | ladycatnip Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:15:23pm |
#505 JustMyView
Are you forgetting how angry Helen Thomas was with how the WH is trying to control the press? I think everything Obama does is staged.
528 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:15:37pm |
529 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:15:55pm |
re: #524 BignJames
Yeah…I’ve got about 1:15 left…then I’ll have to go home and drink beer.
“Work, work, work, work, work!”
530 | OldLineTexan Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:16:29pm |
re: #525 Charles
Well, there you go then!
I call it the “John Kerry” approach, but I’m still jealous.
/
531 | AuntAcid Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:16:31pm |
532 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:16:49pm |
re: #512 VegasRick
Watch for the part where they make sure that Sneed’s question (the racism one) is asked. I’d like to hear your take on it.
The reporter’s name is Lynn Sweet. She has said that she came prepared to ask a health care question first, but that, by the time she got called on, she felt the topic had been covered, so she asked the question about Gates.
533 | BignJames Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:17:46pm |
534 | VegasRick Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:19:29pm |
re: #532 JustMyView
The reporter’s name is Lynn Sweet. She has said that she came prepared to ask a health care question first, but that, by the time she got called on, she felt the topic had been covered, so she asked the question about Gates.
Ever heard of lying through your fucking teeth JMV?
I knew you did!
535 | albusteve Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:19:54pm |
re: #532 JustMyView
The reporter’s name is Lynn Sweet. She has said that she came prepared to ask a health care question first, but that, by the time she got called on, she felt the topic had been covered, so she asked the question about Gates.
well she probably lied…whad’ya know
536 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:20:03pm |
re: #522 JustMyView
So I’m sure that instead of scraping by to payfor that behemoth house with the huge carbon footprint, they’re going to move into something a little smaller and energy-efficent because ‘every little bit helps’…
537 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:20:47pm |
re: #499 Charles
The fact that we have cold winters, or years when the climate seems cooler, is irrelevant to this long term trend
Certainly if we can ignore the colder than average or even the average, it will seem to be warming… but the key here is LONG TERM. Over a long term there will be highs and lows… which will bring an average.
I think the real debate however MUST BE CENTERED ON CAUSE. Everyone agrees that we have seen warming trends and cooling trends through out history. Ice ages, small ice ages, middle age warming…
Cause… Not if the climate change is real… There is no debate on climate change. Climate always changes.
Cause… Not is pollution bad. Everyone agrees pollution is bad.
Cause… If the cause is something we cannot control, then all the money taken from the rich and given to the poor (call it cap and trade, or Kyoto) will not make any difference.
Rainmakers get to predict rain… if it rains they get to say… Hey told you so, now pay me… if it doesn’t rain they get to say, that it still will… soon… now pay me.
538 | BlueCanuck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:21:01pm |
re: #531 AuntAcid
…or anything served on a sharp stick…
Nope has to be Meat-on-a-stick. :)
/all dishes like shish kabob really translate out to that.
539 | Macker Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:21:04pm |
re: #527 ladycatnip
Are you forgetting how angry Helen Thomas was with how the WH is trying to control the press? I think everything Obama does is staged.
I think it’s pretty damn funny how the Grand Old Bag has woken up and smelled the roses…
…which smell like shit.
540 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:21:09pm |
re: #532 JustMyView
re: #512 VegasRick
The reporter’s name is Lynn Sweet. She has said that she came prepared to ask a health care question first, but that, by the time she got called on, she felt the topic had beencoveredsufficently obfuscated, so she asked the question about Gates.
Fixed that for ya…
541 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:22:33pm |
re: #527 ladycatnip
#505 JustMyView
Are you forgetting how angry Helen Thomas was with how the WH is trying to control the press? I think everything Obama does is staged.
Remember this one?
There will be a community discussion on health care issues tonight at Appalachia Town Hall. The open forum begins at 7 p.m. and will be moderated by Debby Smith. According to Smith, information from the meeting will be reported back to Sen. Tom Daschle, who has been directed by President Elect Barack Obama to form a committee to report on health care issues.
542 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:22:40pm |
543 | debutaunt Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:24:46pm |
544 | Gus Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:24:57pm |
Thomas L. Friedman - Mansion Eyeball
No solar panels.
No wind electric generators.
Just a mansion.
Total property tax bill for 2008: $101,975.95.
545 | jcm Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:27:56pm |
re: #544 Gus 802
Thomas L. Friedman - Mansion Eyeball
No solar panels.
No wind electric generators.Just a mansion.
Total property tax bill for 2008: $101,975.95.
I bet he uses a gas powered riding mower too.
546 | JustMyView Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:28:49pm |
re: #527 ladycatnip
#505 JustMyView
Are you forgetting how angry Helen Thomas was with how the WH is trying to control the press? I think everything Obama does is staged.
This issue has, to my knowledge, come up twice. Once was when the
Obama called on Nico Pitney to ask a question about Iran. You can read what Pitney said aboout how he got the opportunity to ask that question here.
The other time was when Obama held a closed townhall meeting somewhere in Virginia. Can’t remember the topic.
Presidents do not know in advance what questions they will get. Traditionally, they have called first on the wire service reporters, next on the network reporters, next on the big newspapers, and then on others. Obama has mixed this up somewhat to bring in bloggers, minority reporters, and foreign reporters.
The president has a list of the people they’re going to call on, but not the question. If you watch carefully, you can see him look at his notes to get the next name. You can see this in Bush’s press conferences too.
547 | ladycatnip Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:29:13pm |
#499 Charles
There may be a trend in the climate warming up - but what I find troubling is how politicized it has become, how the left refuses scientific debate, how they could use it to completely control our lives via heavy taxation or penalties. Gore has spoken about a bill that would create global governing - which should have red flags waving everywhere. But I don’t see any.
I distrust the people behind global warming in the same way you distrust those behind DI. The only problem on my side is there is no organization to act as a governor upon the climate people. At least with the DI issue the ACLU will be there to stop them dead in their tracks, sue them, etc. Who is going to protect us from Algore?
548 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:29:30pm |
re: #537 Buck
Certainly if we can ignore the colder than average or even the average, it will seem to be warming… but the key here is LONG TERM. Over a long term there will be highs and lows… which will bring an average.
I think the real debate however MUST BE CENTERED ON CAUSE.
There’s almost no scientific doubt that human-generated CO2 is the cause of the long term warming trend that has been observed, starting right around the time of the Industrial Revolution.
Again, the fight is all on the political side over this. The science is pretty much settled — contrary to the flood of distortions coming from energy industry mouthpieces and Republican politicians.
549 | Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:30:09pm |
re: #508 pingjockey
Because of little items called facts or the truth of what this mess is going to do to health care and the economy and the man can’t answer a frakkin’ question in less than five minutes.
/real answers in three and a half minutes
550 | Gus Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:30:35pm |
re: #545 jcm
I bet he uses a gas powered riding mower too.
Yep. Or more like has his grass cut by “migrant” workers riding on gasoline powered lawn mowers.
Same old story from the “environmental” elite.
551 | OldLineTexan Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:30:36pm |
553 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:33:57pm |
Well, here’s Steyn again at The Corner on climate change… an update…
Climate change you can believe in [Mark Steyn]
Has links to check out, one of which is to Meet the man who has exposed the great climate change con trick
…We’d use the same brown paper bag over and over again for our school lunches, always turn off the lights, not because of some moral imperative but out of sheer bloody necessity.’
[I can relate.]
one Ian Rutherford Plimer .
555 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:37:32pm |
re: #554 AuntAcid
[Link: icecap.us…]
A perfect example of the right wing distortions and misrepresentations I was talking about.
556 | Gus Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:37:34pm |
re: #552 jcm
Senor, no habla engles!
Yep!
This is not the primary residence, per se, as you know.
“The Class Too Dumb to Quit”
557 | Randall Gross Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:46:43pm |
re: #548 Charles
There’s almost no scientific doubt that human-generated CO2 is the cause of the long term warming trend that has been observed, starting right around the time of the Industrial Revolution.
Again, the fight is all on the political side over this. The science is pretty much settled — contrary to the flood of distortions coming from energy industry mouthpieces and Republican politicians.
What I find most interesting about the debate is that the energy industry mouthpieces are also in Greenpeace. They’ve effectively kept the solution (nuclear) bottled up for thirty years. It’s not an accident that you find several anti-nuclear activists in Al Gore’s consortium (WE). Some are ex-Carterites to make matters worse.
558 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:48:00pm |
re: #548 Charles
There’s almost no scientific doubt that human generated CO2 is the cause of the long term warming trend that has been observed, starting right around the time of the Industrial Revolution.
Again, the fight is all on the political side over this. The science is pretty much settled — contrary to the flood of distortions coming from energy industry mouthpieces and Republican politicians.
Well, Timothy F. Ball disagrees. He is neither an energy industry mouth piece or Republican politician.
Along with a long list of respectable scientists who are equally unaligned.
Chris de Freitas
Tim Patterson
Sallie Baliunas
As well as others. Now I know you could find some controversy behind these people. Only saints don’t have ANY controversy. They are very convincing, especially Tim Ball.
559 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:53:20pm |
re: #558 Buck
Every time I look into these climate change skeptics, I find things like this; Timothy Ball is the head of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project:
The NRSP has been criticised on the basis that it is an industry-funded body which presents itself as a grassroots organization, an activity referred as Astroturfing.[1] [2] Harris rejects this criticism but refuses to reveal the sources of NRSP funding.
560 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:59:12pm |
re: #447 soxfan4life
What does one feed a horde?
That depends: is it a horde of locusts or a horde of Mongols?
561 | AuntAcid Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:59:35pm |
re: #559 Charles
Natural Resources Stewardship Project seems to have vanished. Their web page is no more. hmm?
562 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:00:25pm |
re: #557 Thanos
What I find most interesting about the debate is that the energy industry mouthpieces are also in Greenpeace. They’ve effectively kept the solution (nuclear) bottled up for thirty years. It’s not an accident that you find several anti-nuclear activists in Al Gore’s consortium (WE). Some are ex-Carterites to make matters worse.
It would solve so many problems.
563 | ladycatnip Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:02:40pm |
#557 Thanos
What I find most interesting about the debate is that the energy industry mouthpieces are also in Greenpeace. They’ve effectively kept the solution (nuclear) bottled up for thirty years. It’s not an accident that you find several anti-nuclear activists in Al Gore’s consortium (WE). Some are ex-Carterites to make matters worse.
The politics behind global warming will hurt more than help.
564 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:03:37pm |
re: #559 Charles
Every time I look into these climate change skeptics, I find things like this; Timothy Ball is the head of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project:
Yes, and we know all about how people can twist the truth. Like all the zionist funding you get…Deny it? Prove otherwise…
Yes, I know you are on a smaller scale, but I would hope you would recognize a baseless smear when you see one.
565 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:04:22pm |
re: #559 Charles
Every time I look into these climate change skeptics, I find things like this; Timothy Ball is the head of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project:
The guy in Steyn’s link above, Ian Plimer… He is a critic of creationism and of anthropogenic global warming.
…is not a total right wing conservative, in every way, maybe?
566 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:06:49pm |
re: #458 JustMyView
You know this how? Do you have a certificate in mind-reading?
It’s my opinion, backed up with the evidence of this and past speeches by Obama and a reasonable analysis of his statements. He has subtly played the race card his whole life, he sat in the pews of a race-bating preacher for 20 years, and he rode to power by skillfully manipulating liberal white guilt. agive Obama credit for being highly intelligent and a very careful speaker. He knows what he is saying.
And you can go “jigger” yourself for your snarky comment.
567 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:11:16pm |
re: #564 Buck
Yes, and we know all about how people can twist the truth. Like all the zionist funding you get…Deny it? Prove otherwise…
Yes, I know you are on a smaller scale, but I would hope you would recognize a baseless smear when you see one.
It’s not a baseless smear:
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org…]
568 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:11:24pm |
569 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:12:51pm |
More here: NRSP Controlled by Energy Lobbyists.
570 | haakondahl Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:13:09pm |
re: #518 J.D.
I don’t deny there are warmer and cooler trends in the climate. There always have been. Oftentimes, however, it seems to me that the man-made “cure” for what is said to “ail” us does more harm than good.
I know that I’m being lied to by the IPCC, Al Gore, etc. Even if they are right, they have ruined their arguments by lying about how dire it all is. I may also be being lied to by the right, who also has a vested interest in the dabate.
Only one of these factions is asking to radically cripple whole industrial bases and economies, in predictably socialist ways.
So for now, no.
It’s similar to the AIDS terror. You can’t prove a what-if, but I have a feeling that if political concerns had not de-railed research from the disease’s primary means of transmission, there would be a lot more gay people alive today. And weren’t we all supposed to be dead by now? My, we’re all doing very well for a bunch of rotted corpses.
So I think that the planet will still be doing remarkably well in decades to come, for a charred cinder convered in water. Oh, and people, Mr. Holdren. Lots of people.
Welcome to the backlash.
571 | Kenneth Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:13:59pm |
re: #465 n in wi
Show the certificate. We must see the certificate.
Dick Cheney authorized me to express my own opinion and now that I have told you that I have to kill you.
572 | haakondahl Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:18:24pm |
re: #546 JustMyView
This issue has, to my knowledge, come up twice. Once was when the
Obama called on Nico Pitney to ask a question about Iran. You can read what Pitney said aboout how he got the opportunity to ask that question here.The other time was when Obama held a closed townhall meeting somewhere in Virginia. Can’t remember the topic.
Presidents do not know in advance what questions they will get. Traditionally, they have called first on the wire service reporters, next on the network reporters, next on the big newspapers, and then on others. Obama has mixed this up somewhat to bring in bloggers, minority reporters, and foreign reporters.
The president has a list of the people they’re going to call on, but not the question. If you watch carefully, you can see him look at his notes to get the next name. You can see this in Bush’s press conferences too.
At the Town Hall meeting, he made a big point of not knowing the woman’s name. She was supposedly just somebody in the audience. In fact she was a volunteer from his campaign, and her invitation came from the White House. Commentary at the time said that this was unusual.
The Iran question may have been merely some bad stagecraft (trying to appear more folksy), or some deceptive stagecraft. Either way you slice it, he obviously tried to give the impression that he did not know as much about the upcoming question as he actually did. What’s behind it I don’t know, but it was apparent from watching it—I pointed it out to a friend at the time.
I’m no fan of Helen Thomas, but I’ll give her credit for knowing her way around the White House Press Corps sessions.
573 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:20:22pm |
re: #570 haakondahl
So for now, no.
It’s similar to the AIDS terror. You can’t prove a what-if, but I have a feeling that if political concerns had not de-railed research from the disease’s primary means of transmission, there would be a lot more gay people alive today. And weren’t we all supposed to be dead by now? My, we’re all doing very well for a bunch of rotted corpses.
So I think that the planet will still be doing remarkably well in decades to come, for a charred cinder convered in water.
I totally and sincerely agree.
Oh, and people, Mr. Holdren. Lots of people.
That was evil. Well deserved, but a little bit evil.
574 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:21:25pm |
re: #567 Charles
It’s not a baseless smear:
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org…]
No smoking gun that I can see.
Again, everyone has a history, and it is clear that like minded individuals will be seen together. There is NO proof that, as an example, Tim Ball wrote all the books, papers, and speeches that he did as part of some big conspiracy paid for by the ‘energy’ bad guys.
I really thought you would understand that, with all the crap you get said about you in a wiki or a blog.
575 | haakondahl Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:23:18pm |
re: #557 Thanos
What I find most interesting about the debate is that the energy industry mouthpieces are also in Greenpeace. They’ve effectively kept the solution (nuclear) bottled up for thirty years. It’s not an accident that you find several anti-nuclear activists in Al Gore’s consortium (WE). Some are ex-Carterites to make matters worse.
Zackly. These rogues may be on to something with their AGW, but they are not serious about solving it—they are serious about what they have always been serious about. Socialism, nanny-Statism, UN-ism, call it what you like. I really don’t know what to call it, but it has these smells coming off of it like these other isms I’m not fond of.
If they were serious, they would be all over nuclear. Which is where we are simply going to have to go sooner or later, so why not sooner?
Unless, of course, securing a great deal of the world’s wealth into your own funnel is the real goal, and by the way, here’s a sharp stick in the eye to the nations with the most efficient production mechanisms, and a free pass to those who pollute the most.
Whatever they’re on about, it isn’t solving the problem.
576 | swamprat Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:29:34pm |
Blueherron!
Do you know how to post?
You downding a bunch. Try the other buttons! You can upding, and actually post words. It is an interesting experience. Try it.
577 | swamprat Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:32:46pm |
re: #576 swamprat
Blueherron!
Do you know how to post?
You downding a bunch. Try the other buttons! You can upding, and actually post words. It is an interesting experience. Try it.
Ding “up” for yes, or ding “down” for no.
578 | J.D. Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:33:39pm |
579 | OldLineTexan Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:58:43pm |
580 | grambo46 Sat, Jul 25, 2009 5:07:46pm |
re: #575 haakondahl
Well said. I consider my position on AGW to be moot. If it’s real, then we need real solutions - all of which (e.g. nuclear) I support for other reasons. If it’s not real, then … um, I guess I still support those “solutions” for the aforementioned other reasons.
So I don’t debate AGW and stick to bashing absurd legislation whenever the opportunity presents.
581 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 25, 2009 5:15:46pm |
re: #574 Buck
No smoking gun that I can see.
Again, everyone has a history, and it is clear that like minded individuals will be seen together. There is NO proof that, as an example, Tim Ball wrote all the books, papers, and speeches that he did as part of some big conspiracy paid for by the ‘energy’ bad guys.
I really thought you would understand that, with all the crap you get said about you in a wiki or a blog.
There may not be a big conspiracy, but you said it was a “baseless smear” — and I see quite a bit of factual evidence that the NSRP was a front group for the energy industries. And by the way, their website seems to have gone missing.
582 | Buck Sat, Jul 25, 2009 5:30:45pm |
re: #581 Charles
There may not be a big conspiracy, but you said it was a “baseless smear” — and I see quite a bit of factual evidence that the NSRP was a front group for the energy industries. And by the way, their website seems to have gone missing.
Well, the website was probably not a priority for a poorly funded group who depends entirely on donations.
Oh well… we may never know the truth. If there is no disaster cause by humans, the “Climate Change is Caused by Humans” will simply take the credit for it. And if there is a disaster, then they will simply say they told us so.