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There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.
— Pat Robertson
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:28:29pm |
You know, I am sooo much less worried about this silly email business than I am about eco-Nazis seizing hold of the "carbon-tainted" label and using it to browbeat, shame or bully anyone who buys food or drives a car they don't approve of.
Coming soon to a supermarket near you. And Obama has nothing to do with it.
The term arose, I believe, in "green" New Zealand.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:29:05pm |
There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.— Pat Robertson
With allies like these, who needs enemies?
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:32:14pm |
Guys like that are why I'm not a Republican.
Blegggh.
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pat Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:32:26pm |
re: #1 Cato the Elder
You know, I am sooo much less worried about this silly email business than I am about eco-Nazis seizing hold of the "carbon-tainted" label and using it to browbeat, shame or bully anyone who buys food or drives a car they don't approve of.
Coming soon to a supermarket near you. And Obama has nothing to do with it.
The term arose, I believe, in "green" New Zealand.
Just a matter of time. They will all be coming for you. The best thing I heard today was on Dennis Miller. A caller said send in your fish recipes. Do it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:32:28pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.
— Pat Robertson
With allies like these, who needs enemies?
Exactly. Damn those pesky lefties and their lefty lies about liberties. We hates them, precious, yes we does.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:33:50pm |
re: #1 Cato the Elder
You know, I am sooo much less worried about this silly email business than I am about eco-Nazis seizing hold of the "carbon-tainted" label and using it to browbeat, shame or bully anyone who buys food or drives a car they don't approve of.
Coming soon to a supermarket near you. And Obama has nothing to do with it.
The term arose, I believe, in "green" New Zealand.
We should start calling you Two-Times Cato. You love to repeat post across threads. ;)
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:33:50pm |
Pat Robertson is a figment of the devil's imagination.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:34:49pm |
OMG, the stalkers probably will think this is serious.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:34:57pm |
re: #6 FurryOldGuyJeans
We should start calling you Two-Times Cato. You love to repeat post across threads. ;)
Only when a comment gets buried immediately by a new thread. And only if I think it's more than just humorous... ;^)
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freetoken Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:35:03pm |
Ahh, Pat Robertson...
Another quote attributed to him:
Many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many were homosexuals - the two things seem to go together.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:36:05pm |
re: #13 freetoken
Ahh, Pat Robertson...
Another quote attributed to him:
Insanity doesn't just run in his family, it practically gallops!
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Mich-again Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:36:05pm |
Pat should actually read the Constitution sometime. Right after he actually reads the Bible.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:36:42pm |
So I was talking to an old friend on the phone tonight, and he used the words "mirth", "curt", and "agate" in the span of a few seconds, and then the words "see", "credit" and "mud slime" shortly thereafter. And y'all know what that sounds like.
Sure enough, we immediately heard strange clicking and buzzing noises on the phone line.
There you have it! Proof positive that the American Gestapo under the Obama Dictatorship is monitoring our private communications.
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:37:00pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:37:56pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:38:09pm |
re: #15 Mich-again
Pat should actually read the Constitution sometime. Right after he actually reads the Bible.
He's got all the gory bits memorized. What more do you need to frighten old ladies into sending you checks?
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Mich-again Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:39:41pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:41:10pm |
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:42:02pm |
re: #20 pat
Of course it's not pure. But far too many Republicans at this point in history believe it should be. I guess I have a hard time throwing full unquestioning support behind anyone who would despise me.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:42:21pm |
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Neutral President Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:43:20pm |
Out of the 25000 or so Lizards on LGF, I bet I could count on one hand how many like or agree with Pat Robertson.
Even the religious kook that used to be talk radio here following Rush (that left the station because it was too "liberal" for him to go to some evangelical radio station with about 10 listeners) used to loudly criticize Pat Robertson about anything and everything he did. The WND columnist and Nirther that has a show after the time his was also did so too. Even some of the WND kooks think Pat Robertson is over the top. Maybe in other areas of the country he has a following among the GOP, but I cant think of a single Republican that I know if who identifies with or agrees with him.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:43:34pm |
re: #20 pat
Pat Robertson and his flock sure have delivered up the electoral landslides as of late, haven't they?
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:43:35pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:44:31pm |
re: #29 esch
Too tired to look it up.
Short: Render unto Caesar, blah, blah, blah.
You know the rest now. ;)
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:44:40pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:45:01pm |
re: #28 Sharmuta
Pat Robertson and his flock sure have delivered up the electoral landslides as of late, haven't they?
As big of a one as the PUMAs did, yessiree!
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:45:22pm |
re: #30 FurryOldGuyJeans
Short: Render unto Caesar, blah, blah, blah.
You know the rest now. ;)
Oh yeah. The CYA section.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:45:33pm |
Some more of Pat Robertson's greatest hits:
"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
"We're importing Hinduism into America. The whole thought of your karma, of meditation, of the fact that there's no end of life and there's this endless wheel of life, this is all Hinduism. Chanting too. Many of those chants are to Hindu Gods -- Vishnu, Hare Krishna. The origin of it is all demonic. We can't let that stuff come into America. We've got the best defense, if you will -- a good offense."
"The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today."
* As quoted in "The Christian Paradox", Harper's Magazine (August 2005)
Pat can't seem to make up his mind on the Antichrist issue, though:
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist." -- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:45:49pm |
re: #32 FurryOldGuyJeans
As big of a one as the PUMAs did, yessiree!
Yeah. Exactly what happened with the PUMAs? I want to know.
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:46:17pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:46:52pm |
re: #35 Silvergirl
Yeah. Exactly what happened with the PUMAs? I want to know.
Ever play dodge ball? They played a game of PYSCH ball on us and we got snookered but good.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:47:04pm |
re: #20 pat
If you think the Sharmuta Party will win elections , be my guess.
I'll "be your guess", and hazard the guess that including "off the rails", psychotic Robertson, and the rhetoric he spews, as acceptable within the conservative movement has, and will continue to, narrow the republican base and marginalize it's influence.
Robertson is a random, hateful loon, and no more conservative than an aimlessly wandering jellyfish.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:47:17pm |
re: #32 FurryOldGuyJeans
As big of a one as the PUMAs did, yessiree!
Keep clinging to the Robertsons and more democratic victories will follow.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:47:46pm |
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Neutral President Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:47:49pm |
re: #34 iceweasel
How many times has Pat identified the Antichrist now? Probably more times than CNBC called a Market Bottom when there was still multi-thousand point drops on the way.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:48:09pm |
re: #35 Silvergirl
Yeah. Exactly what happened with the PUMAs? I want to know.
I don't think they ever really existed in the meat world. Maybe they were just an online thing, they might have even been a gop invention.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:48:27pm |
re: #39 Sharmuta
Keep clinging to the Robertsons and more democratic victories will follow.
I spray disinfectant on such scum that wants to cling on me, thank you very much.
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Mich-again Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:48:31pm |
Here's a whole shit ton of Pat Robertson quotes. Some pretty funny stuff there. I think I would have a hard time even making up more outrageous quotes.
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:49:34pm |
re: #41 ArchangelMichael
How many times has Pat identified the Antichrist now? Probably more times than CNBC called a Market Bottom when there was still multi-thousand point drops on the way.
If I ever met him, I'd love to walk up to him offer my hand and say 'That's MR AntiChrist to you!'. Just to see the look on his face.
Yes, I have a really messed up sense of humor.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:49:39pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Yeah, EVERYTHING's a GOP conspiracy, BOOGA BOOGA!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:50:23pm |
re: #44 Mich-again
He sure has a thing about Hindus.
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leftover54 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:50:31pm |
Has this been posted yet:
Intel officials: Taliban leader Mehsud dead ?
If so, sorry. Too damn late to go searching for names/stories. I wanna read damn it !
;-)
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:50:52pm |
re: #46 FurryOldGuyJeans
(ignoring Killgore)
/fail
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:51:09pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
I don't think they ever really existed in the meat world. Maybe they were just an online thing, they might have even been a gop invention.
To be honest, they were a very tiny slice of lunatic bloggers like Larry Johnson. The MSM was happy to promote the myth that Hillary still had a chance long after it was clear she didn't, and they loved the myth that there were hordes of angry Hillary supporters who would never vote for Obama.
This fed right into what people on the right wanted to believe, and I think it even snookered McCain and guided his selection of Palin to some extent.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:51:29pm |
re: #48 leftover54
Has this been posted yet:
Intel officials: Taliban leader Mehsud dead ?
If so, sorry. Too damn late to go searching for names/stories. I wanna read damn it !
;-)
Well, it is now! ;)
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:51:37pm |
re: #47 Killgore Trout
He sure has a thing about Hindus.
I guess we are in big trouble here. We have the Karma./
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:52:15pm |
re: #50 iceweasel
Yeah, it was probably the same thing as Michelle Malkin and others who claimed they'd never vote for McCain.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:52:29pm |
re: #49 Killgore Trout
(ignoring Killgore)
/fail
Hard to fail what I am not even attempting to do, but you get a kick out of it so keep on assuming I am.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:53:13pm |
re: #54 FurryOldGuyJeans
You're just not trying hard enough.
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:54:10pm |
re: #44 Mich-again
Here's a whole shit ton of Pat Robertson quotes. Some pretty funny stuff there. I think I would have a hard time even making up more outrageous quotes.
I have people in my family that are out on that limb of religious fervor crazy, even if they haven't actually reached the leaves yet.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:54:29pm |
re: #55 Killgore Trout
You're just not trying hard enough.
Yeah, I'll never get to 12,000 karma that way being only 3 away.
/ egregiously blatant karma whoring goin' on
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:54:50pm |
Pat Condell on Pat Robertson...
Hook, line and rapture
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Neutral President Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:55:07pm |
re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth
I think Robertson has been effectively reduced to a pariah among the GOP. I could be wrong but my post above is what I have experienced. We would do well to make sure he stays that way.
People we need to marginalize, that have way more support than they deserve, would be Dobson and Terry. They probably have a treasure trove of obnoxious and asinine quotes that show they are definitely unconstrained thinking non-Conservatives.
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Syrah Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:55:07pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
I don't think they ever really existed in the meat world. Maybe they were just an online thing, they might have even been a gop invention.
You give the GOP far too much credit.
The GOP is not competent enough to have been able to invent the PUMA's.
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Gus Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:55:09pm |
The John McCain I knew:
The union bosses who have subordinated the interests of working families to their own ambitions, to their desire to preserve their own political power at all costs are mirror images of Pat Robertson. Just as we embrace working people, we embrace the fine members of the religious conservative community. But that does not mean that we will pander to their self-appointed leaders.
[Link: everything2.com...]
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:55:46pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
Pat Condell on Pat Robertson...
Hook, line and rapture[Video]
*URGH* *MPPPHH*
Trying my "Ignore Killgore" power really hard now! ;)
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:55:51pm |
re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans
Ok fine I'll give ya a pity ding.
But only ONE mind you. Guy has to keep his pride.
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Mich-again Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:56:25pm |
re: #48 leftover54
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan -- Pakistan's Taliban chief has been killed in a CIA missile strike and his body buried,
Famous last words. "Whats that whistling noise?"
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:57:25pm |
re: #60 Syrah
You give the GOP far too much credit.
The GOP is not competent enough to have been able to invent the PUMA's.
Up until his foaming at the mouth about the GOP conspiracy I actually thought I saw some rationality in that post. But true to form KT did not disappoint me!
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Gus Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:57:56pm |
We are the party of Ronald Reagan not Pat Robertson. We are the party of Theodore Roosevelt not the party of special interests. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln not Bob Jones. Join us. Join us.
John McCain
It all ended in a flash.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:57:58pm |
re: #47 Killgore Trout
He sure has a thing about Hindus.
I'm pretty sure that he has an unholy hard-on for anyone, or any group, that does not follow his interpretation of faith, point for singular point. I view him as far more of an authoritarian, and nothing at all even closely resembling a conservative.
There are a couple of video game quotes that spring into my mind when I think of him:
"A broad mind lacks focus", and "A small mind is easily filled with faith".
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:58:37pm |
re: #63 esch
Ok fine I'll give ya a pity ding.
But only ONE mind you. Guy has to keep his pride.
But what about Cranky Old Coots? Pride is not part of the parts breakdown for them. ;)
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:59:15pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:59:25pm |
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Gus Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:59:53pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:00:27am |
re: #71 Gus 802
In slow motion.
"My friends..."
/
His campaigning for OMO sure was a winning strategy, wasn't it?
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leftover54 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:00:40am |
re: #14 FurryOldGuyJeans
'Insanity doesn't just run in his family, it practically gallops!'
Cary Grant: 'Arsenic and Old Lace'.
1944
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:01:25am |
re: #69 esch
IMHO it was more of a splat.
This is the way the campaign ends
this is the way the campaign ends
this is the way the campaign ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
/Eliot
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:01:42am |
re: #72 FurryOldGuyJeans
His campaigning for OMO sure was a winning strategy, wasn't it?
Sure wasn't.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:01:50am |
re: #73 leftover54
'Insanity doesn't just run in his family, it practically gallops!'
Cary Grant: 'Arsenic and Old Lace'.
1944
My, my, my! Someone who knows where I stole it! Congratulations! ;)
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:03:25am |
re: #74 iceweasel
For me it was the moment he started wandering around the stage. I remember clearly saying 'What The F..."
That said, a few percentage points shy was a damn good showing.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:03:49am |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I still owe Pat a kick in the pants for that post 9/11 screed of his. What an opportunistic ghoul.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:04:22am |
re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans
Shameless, but gave you one for the cause...
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Mich-again Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:04:26am |
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:05:08am |
re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, I still owe Pat a kick in the pants for that post 9/11 screed of his. What an opportunistic ghoul.
That was bad, but I still hate Michael Moore for his comment far more.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:06:14am |
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Silvergirl Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:06:54am |
re: #84 FurryOldGuyJeans
Obama, no e. Why'd he win, then? ;)
Must have been the magic 'e' in Biden.
? ? ?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:07:32am |
re: #85 Silvergirl
Must have been the magic 'e' in Biden.
? ? ?
Gads, what a thing to hang a win on.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:07:45am |
re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, I still owe Pat a kick in the pants for that post 9/11 screed of his. What an opportunistic ghoul.
Err... that's Pat Robertson who needs a kick in the pants, not Pat Condell.
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Silvergirl Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:07:55am |
I watched some CNN today and saw the report card for the second 100 days gave Obama and Biden each a C minus.
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:07:55am |
re: #81 Mich-again
McCain Palin. No e's. Thats why they lost.
True. There were too many cliches. They were also up against a wave of public opinion. The electorate switches between Democrats or Republicans. In this case it was the Democrats turn.
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leftover54 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:08:18am |
geeez, it must be late and I need to get some shut eye - have been reading:
"It all ended in a flash."
as:
"It all ended in a rash."
Off to my side of the bed...and I've been divorced for a decade !
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Neutral President Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:09:25am |
re: #74 iceweasel
This is the way the campaign ends
this is the way the campaign ends
this is the way the campaign ends
Not with a bang but a whimper./Eliot
The way the GOP is headed, campaigns in 2010 and 2012 will be tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nirthing.
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Silvergirl Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:10:11am |
re: #91 ArchangelMichael
The way the GOP is headed, campaigns in 2010 and 2012 will be tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nirthing.
Clever. I nearly missed that.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:10:26am |
re: #78 esch
Mavericky maverick. He lost me @ global warming, climate change, illegal immigration, er ANWAR. Hell, he just lost me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:11:04am |
re: #82 esch
That was bad, but I still hate Michael Moore for his comment far more.
I must have missed that, what was it? And to be sure, I have about as much love and respect for Moore that I have for Robertson. Both fear mongering, pandering, ideologue ghouls as far as I am concerned.
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:11:54am |
re: #91 ArchangelMichael
The way the GOP is headed, campaigns in 2010 and 2012 will be tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nirthing.
Rainman.
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:12:44am |
re: #89 Gus 802
True. There were too many cliches. They were also up against a wave of public opinion. The electorate switches between Democrats or Republicans. In this case it was the Democrats turn.
Doesn't have to turn out like this. Gotta figure out some way to reliably identify solid fiscally conservative right leaning social moderate candidates with NO AFFAIR PROBLEMS.
These ethics issues are most of the swing, IMHO.
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mrshankly01 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:13:52am |
re: #95 Gus 802
bleh...2010 and 2012 will be contests to see who can suck the least...democrats with healthcare and unions...repubs with immigration, global warming and taxes...
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:14:00am |
re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, I still owe Pat a kick in the pants for that post 9/11 screed of his. What an opportunistic ghoul.
God dunnit coz u were bad kittehz/
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:14:10am |
re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth
Basically, "Why oh why couldn't have they hit a Red state?"
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Neutral President Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:14:32am |
re: #96 esch
Doesn't have to turn out like this. Gotta figure out some way to reliably identify solid fiscally conservative right leaning social moderate candidates with NO AFFAIR PROBLEMS.
These ethics issues are most of the swing, IMHO.
Resurrect Goldwater as a zombie?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:14:44am |
re: #91 ArchangelMichael
The way the GOP is headed, campaigns in 2010 and 2012 will be tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nirthing.
Chauncey Gardner. "Being There"
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:15:31am |
re: #100 ArchangelMichael
Resurrect Goldwater as a zombie?
Goldwater is not the conservative most people think he was. He was better than that.
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:16:41am |
re: #100 ArchangelMichael
Resurrect Goldwater as a zombie?
Heh.
Yeah, basically I want candidates like me. I don't care too much if you 'sin', just keep it to yourself and don't try to make ME pay for the consequences. Personal responsibility, ya know.
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:17:00am |
re: #96 esch
Doesn't have to turn out like this. Gotta figure out some way to reliably identify solid fiscally conservative right leaning social moderate candidates with NO AFFAIR PROBLEMS.
These ethics issues are most of the swing, IMHO.
To that end the only "front runner" I see is Romney. The rest of the 2008 running are out. Otherwise it would have to be an unknown at this time.
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Neutral President Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:17:25am |
re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans
Goldwater is not the conservative most people think he was. He was better than that.
Which is why he edged out Reagan in my necromancy experiment here.
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mrshankly01 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:18:01am |
re: #104 Gus 802
you don't think there is a creationist hiding in there?
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Neutral President Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:18:30am |
re: #103 esch
Heh.
Yeah, basically I want candidates like me. I don't care too much if you 'sin', just keep it to yourself and don't try to make ME pay for the consequences. Personal responsibility, ya know.
I don't give a damn what dumb things they've done in their personal lives either myself... but others do and will make a stink about it.
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Dekar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:18:54am |
From the video posted (and on the wikipage)
This guy obviously wants to be a prophet so bad. I wonder if he walks around at home dressed up in a bedsheet, talking Aramaic, maybe parting the waters in the bathtub occasionally, just to keep in practice?
* Pat Condell "Hook, Line and Rapture" January 8th, 2008
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:19:17am |
re: #106 mrshankly01
you don't think there is a creationist hiding in there?
Probably. He's oddly secular though at least on the face of things.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:20:20am |
re: #99 esch
Really? I'll have to look that up, unless you have a link handy. Wouldn't surprise me much, though.
Moore is.. well.. um.. he should be happy that he and I are not relatives.
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:20:24am |
re: #104 Gus 802
To that end the only "front runner" I see is Romney. The rest of the 2008 running are out. Otherwise it would have to be an unknown at this time.
Ugh.
'He's a MORMON ya know?' Thanks Huck, you son of a bitch.
Not many would have a harder time with the faith angle. Maybe a Hindu, or a Scientologist.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:20:30am |
re: #105 ArchangelMichael
Which is why he edged out Reagan in my necromancy experiment here.
By quite a number of people Goldwarer would be classified as a RINO Extraordiniaire. He truly is lost in the mythology.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:22:27am |
re: #111 esch
Ugh.
'He's a MORMON ya know?' Thanks Huck, you son of a bitch.
Not many would have a harder time with the faith angle. Maybe a Hindu, or a Scientologist.
Well, we had a SEEKRIT MOOSLIM running, and that turned out all right, didn't it?
/ this is sarcasm, truly it is.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:24:04am |
re: #106 mrshankly01
you don't think there is a creationist hiding in there?
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:24:29am |
re: #111 esch
Ugh.
'He's a MORMON ya know?' Thanks Huck, you son of a bitch.
Not many would have a harder time with the faith angle. Maybe a Hindu, or a Scientologist.
I think it's because he's a Mormon he tones it down. Effectively he's then an underdog of sorts and will have a tendency not to push things with religious overtones. It's ironic of course but it could work.
Huckabee was over the top however during the campaign.
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:25:25am |
re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans
Well, we had a SEEKRIT MOOSLIM running, and that turned out all right, didn't it?
/ this is sarcasm, truly it is.
Lol.
Romney/Travolta 2012!
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mrshankly01 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:25:29am |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
good news. didnt know. thanks.
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Neutral President Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:26:07am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:27:10am |
re: #116 Gus 802
Huckabee was over the top however during the campaign.
Huck is just plain fucking nuts. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:27:55am |
re: #121 FurryOldGuyJeans
Huck is just plain fucking nuts. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
What was that comment he made about "women serving men" that I forgot?
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:28:50am |
re: #123 Gus 802
What was that comment he made about "women serving men" that I forgot?
IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:30:28am |
re: #124 esch
IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!
Here it is...
"A wife is to submit graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ," the convention says in its statement of faith. Baptist Press reported that the 1998 ad was addressed to denomination leaders and said: "You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership."
O-M-G
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:31:45am |
re: #118 mrshankly01
From the link I posted:
“I believe that God designed the universe and created the universe,” Mr. Romney said in an interview this week. “And I believe evolution is most likely the process he used to create the human body.”
He was asked: Is that intelligent design?
“I’m not exactly sure what is meant by intelligent design,” he said. “But I believe God is intelligent and I believe he designed the creation. And I believe he used the process of evolution to create the human body.”
A good, political answer. He covers the acceptance of empirically observable fact, while maintaining an observance of faith. Make of that what you will.
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:31:47am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:32:48am |
re: #125 Gus 802
O-M-G
It is a biblical injunction evangelical churches tend to be the main upholders of. My Catholic ex-wife in no uncertain terms made it clear she would have none of that. ;)
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:32:58am |
re: #127 esch
Aw crap, I spilled the beans.
The Templars are on the way.
No problem. I'm a fatalist. ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:36:37am |
re: #127 esch
No sweat, the Majestic 12 will keep them in check.
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:37:14am |
re: #128 FurryOldGuyJeans
It is a biblical injunction evangelical churches tend to be the main upholders of. My Catholic ex-wife in no uncertain terms made it clear she would have none of that. ;)
Your ex and 99 and 44/100ths of women do.
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:38:26am |
re: #130 Slumbering Behemoth
Never played that one, looked cool though.
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Silvergirl Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:41:20am |
re: #133 esch
Ugh need sleep. Nite all.
G'night to you. I'm out too.
Too tired to comment--I've just been reading and posting links on the front page.
Happy Friday!
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Gus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:42:18am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 12:46:37am |
re: #132 esch
Never played that one, looked cool though.
It's quite cool, as gameplay goes. And the conspiracy plots and story lines are very well crafted. I still have a copy that I play from time to time.
I do like conspiracy theory as fiction, but when the Becks, Joneses, Corsis, et al, of the world start pimping that garbage as fact, they need to get smacked down by rational thinkers. Hard.
The deserve all the scorn, ridicule, and mockery that can be heaped upon them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:01:36am |
Well, it seems I have killed this thread. G'nite Lizards, give LoL a big hug from me.
Peach!
/er.. Peace!
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RightOnTheLeftCoast Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:05:29am |
re: #85 Silvergirl
Must have been the magic 'e' in Biden.
? ? ?
Then Adlai Stevenson and Estes Kefauver should have won in a walk over Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon
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freetoken Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:23:46am |
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:25:10am |
re: #141 freetoken
It's the loneliest number since the number one.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:29:36am |
Might be to early for this, but it will wake you up..
TAMPA, LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!
Kathy Castor (moonbat) town hall...
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:35:29am |
re: #142 freetoken
Thanks, Freetoken. They were both great. The first one used one of favorite pieces of music: Erik Satie's Gymnopidie number 2.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:48:54am |
re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar
Very confusing scene. I'm not sure what to make of it.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:00:03am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:00:55am |
re: #146 BatGuano
Very confusing scene. I'm not sure what to make of it.
Angry citizens. Mix in Union guys and Planned Parenthood and there might be trouble. Also remember, Florida has a load of retirees against the health care bill. I think the Fire Marshall should have shut it down. The scene reminded me of my old concert going days.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:01:10am |
re: #147 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Thank you, littleoldlady!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:01:55am |
Morning, LoL. How did the new gas grill hunt go?
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:02:41am |
re: #147 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Good morning!
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:06:23am |
re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought the AARP were for the Obamcare.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:08:01am |
re: #155 BatGuano
I thought the AARP were for the Obamcare.
They are. Not every old person is a member of AARP. Many still have their own insurance from retiring from jobs.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:10:03am |
re: #155 BatGuano
I think they are, but I'm not sure if even THEY know why.
I believe it was Newt who said...The insurance companies are buying into this healthcare reform because they want to be sure they have a seat at the table. Little do they know they're going to be LUNCH.
/paraphrasing
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:11:16am |
re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar
I see. AARP presents themselves as the agent for all retired or retiring persons. I am happy to see there is some resistance to that originization.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:13:17am |
re: #157 littleoldlady
Whoever said it, You get an up ding for passing it on. Newt might be the smartest man in public policy who will never be president.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:15:03am |
On the radio, they just said Kathy Castor is gonna hold another town hall meeting...via telephone.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:16:52am |
re: #158 BatGuano
Just as the AMA presents themselves as the spokesorgan for ALL doctors - the truth is about 20% of doctors belong - BOTH groups will see a decline in membership after they sold out their constituents in this debacle.
/just how much remains to be seen...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:17:34am |
Kathy Castor is the daughter of Betty Castor. Betty Castor was the President of the University of South Florida. The Feds wanted to investigate Sami Al-Arian. Al-Arian was the head of Middle Eastern Studies. He took over that department after the guy that was running it left and joined Hamas.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:19:24am |
re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thanks, C.C. I'm beginning to get the picture (yes, I'm slow). Democrats tell us what the will of the people is, but they don't want to face it. I hope that situation was not too "organized".
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:19:26am |
re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar
Forgot this... Betty Castor wouldn't let the Feds look into Al-Arian
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:20:23am |
re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wasn't Al-Arian the faculty advisor to the Hamas Students' Union?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:21:38am |
re: #165 littleoldlady
Wasn't Al-Arian the faculty advisor to the Hamas Students' Union?
I think so, but I can't remember exactly. He was deported years ago.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:22:14am |
Hello everyone. Hiya, Bat-baby. :)
If anyone sees Realwest later, could you direct him to this post? He'd asked me about the proposed changes to Medicare in the health care legislation and asked me to post here about it.
RW, this link over at the WH site summarises the changes--
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
But it's incomplete in at least one way that I've spotted, which is sec 1233 in re: end of life consultation. That would also be covered under Medicare for those who want it.
This part would answer some of your concerns in re: prescriptions
Pay better prices for Medicare Part D drugs. In its meeting with the President and subsequent communication, the pharmaceutical industry has committed itself to helping to control the rate of growth in health care spending. There are a variety of ways to achieve this goal. For example, drug reimbursement could be reduced for beneficiaries dually eligible for Medicare and Medicaid. The Administration is working with the Congress to develop the most appropriate policy to achieve these savings.
Hope this helps. cheers, ice
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:24:29am |
re: #166 Cannadian Club Akbar
Last I heard he was under house arrest somewhere.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:26:59am |
re: #168 BatGuano
Last I heard he was under house arrest somewhere.
I want to say he got deported to Jordan, but not sure. The big stink was that he would be tortured where ever they put him.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:28:26am |
U.S. District Judge James Moody sentenced al-Arian to the maximum 57 months in prison and gave him credit for time served. He will serve the balance of 19 months and then be deported, prosecutors said. In his ruling, Moody harshly criticized al-Arian for doing nothing to stop bombings perpetrated by Islamic Jihad. "You lifted not one finger," he said. "You are a master manipulator. The evidence is clear in this case. You were a leader of the PIJ."[26]
I was wrong. The Islamic Jihad Student Union
/same same
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:28:36am |
re: #167 iceweasel
Hi Ice! Despite my opposition to Obama health care reform, I hope that at a minimum the elderly and those facing end of life issues can be relieved in some way.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:29:54am |
re: #171 BatGuano
But Bat! The current legislation being considered DOES provide for relief...in some way.
/some PERMANENT way
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:30:04am |
re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar
I want to say he got deported to Jordan, but not sure. The big stink was that he would be tortured where ever they put him.
They could put him in my spare room, but then I would torture him.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:32:21am |
re: #173 BatGuano
They could put him in my spare room, but then I would torture him.
If your idea of torture is BLT's, booze and strippers, I'm there.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:33:35am |
re: #172 littleoldlady
Oh, Lord. I'm trying to find some good in this mastodon. Don't make me read the damn thing. :)
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:35:00am |
re: #171 BatGuano
Hi Ice! Despite my opposition to Obama health care reform, I hope that at a minimum the elderly and those facing end of life issues can be relieved in some way.
Hi Bat. :) Agree with you.
I'm not necessarily opposed to Obama health care reform; I think we clearly do need reform. The real question is what will that reform look like? And we still don't know. I'd rather no reform than one that makes things worse.
In re: the end of life issues, the proposals in sec 1233 don't look bad or sinister. They provide for a consultation every five years after 65, and more frequently if necessary-- but no patient even has to have the consultations if they don't want to.
It looks like a way of ensuring that people get help with setting up Living Wills, listing a proxy, all that kind of thing-- if they want to. It's more about making sure the patient's wishes regarding life sustaining treatment are known and respected than anything else.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:44:49am |
BatGuano,
Let me know when you find "some good" ;-)
This article is from 2007 (the good old days). Medicare, IIRC, is 33 TRILLION in the hole for "unfunded promises" (to people like me, sooner than I'd like to think ;-). It loses more every year.
Has it dawned on these Einsteins we elected that maybe they should fix that FIRST before incurring any more "unfunded promises", which in 2007 amounted to a half a million dollars per household?!
I swear, Congress and the President are like a teenager who stole mom's credit card and went to the mall for the day. Meanwhile, mom's at home trying to figure out how to afford dinner...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:45:52am |
This sucks. "The Breakfast Club" was all about my youth. Bummer.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:52:10am |
re: #177 iceweasel
Under current government supplied health care, my mom is in a skilled nursing home paid for by the state of California. Her living wil,l as regards life staining equipment ,was drawn up by an attorney for a small fee. My wife and I have health insurance that I do not want to be disturbed. I think Americans are morally obligated ,and is indeed is in their self-interest to provide for the those who cannot provide for themselves. I can't go along with a hastily constructed health care system that purports to cover everyone with no loss in benefits to anyone when we know it will be astronomically expensive and be possibly a monumental government failure.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:58:20am |
re: #178 littleoldlady
Littleoldlady, All I have found is " Five year plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains".
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:59:50am |
re: #180 BatGuano
Under current government supplied health care, my mom is in a skilled nursing home paid for by the state of California. Her living wil,l as regards life staining equipment ,was drawn up by an attorney for a small fee. My wife and I have health insurance that I do not want to be disturbed. I think Americans are morally obligated ,and is indeed is in their self-interest to provide for the those who cannot provide for themselves. I can't go along with a hastily constructed health care system that purports to cover everyone with no loss in benefits to anyone when we know it will be astronomically expensive and be possibly a monumental government failure.
Hey Bat--
It definitely will be expensive, that's for sure. Currently, end of life consultations are paid for under some plans, but not all, apparently, and this is to ensure that they're available to everyone who wants them. (The AARP specifically wanted this provision).
As for your current insurance, all pre-existing plans would be grandfathered in without change. Under the current proposals, that is.
It's hard to know what kind of mess we'll wind up with as this makes its way through Congress though, so I'm withholding judgement on it right now.
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freetoken Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:00:32am |
re: #178 littleoldlady
This article is from 2007 (the good old days). Medicare, IIRC, is 33 TRILLION in the hole for "unfunded promises" (to people like me, sooner than I'd like to think ;-). It loses more every year.
I believe that is the reason for this current exercise in creative legislation.
There is no practical way to handle the unfunded promises...
Just isn't. (Sort of like all the generous retirement schemes here in CA.)
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:01:19am |
I hate to be a pessimist, but I have observed government too long. RWR's favorite joke, " I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:05:16am |
re: #182 iceweasel
"It's hard to know what kind of mess we'll wind up with as this makes its way through Congress though, so I'm withholding judgement on it right now."
Thank you for you're honesty (not that I ever doubted it) ;) You're one of the good "lefties". We need to work together.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:05:17am |
re: #183 freetoken
The only practical way is to phase it out. "They" don't get that. EVERY single government plan operates at a loss. What makes ANYONE think that a new plan will be any different?
/...the definition of insanity
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:09:48am |
re: #183 freetoken
We are so fiscally overextended I see no way out.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:10:54am |
In Florida, we got the lottery to help fund education. Our elected state oficials saw the money coming in, then took money from the education budget to put toward other programs. Now they all bitch about money for education. I don't trust the gubment with money.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:13:33am |
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:14:05am |
Philosophical question: How does one vote the bastards out when they are all the same?
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:14:59am |
re: #185 BatGuano
"It's hard to know what kind of mess we'll wind up with as this makes its way through Congress though, so I'm withholding judgement on it right now."
Thank you for you're honesty (not that I ever doubted it) ;) You're one of the good "lefties". We need to work together.
Aww...you rock, BatMan!
We have a lot in common, actually, on many issues.
As for the health care proposals...I definitely won't be shy about criticising them, that's for sure. If they take the public option off the table, I'll be ripping it a new one. And in truth I share your general pessimism as expressed in that great RWR quote.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:15:26am |
re: #190 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. We in Florida are only a little bit fucked.
Well, we in California are a little bit pregnant.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:15:40am |
re: #191 BatGuano
Philosophical question: How does one vote the bastards out when they are all the same?
My state Senator is named...wait for it...Ron Reagan. Not kidding.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:16:11am |
re: #191 BatGuano
Directions:
1. Open phone book
2. Close eyes
3. Stick finger anywhere on the page
You don't think it would send a message to future politicians if we voted out all of the incumbents?
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:22:17am |
re: #195 littleoldlady
In my state they are all Dems. I've been trying to vote them out for 20 years.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:25:02am |
re: #196 BatGuano
In my state they are all Dems. I've been trying to vote them out for 20 years.
You can't do it alone. ;-) People have to be ticked off en masse.
/this batch in Washington just may do the trick
Anyway, I probably just got my ass reported to the White House for my "fishy" comments. ;-)
/...ask me if I care
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:25:06am |
re: #192 iceweasel
Thanks for "We can work it out". I was 11 when it was new and it has great memories and a good message.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:25:07am |
This should solve all our problems. Whew!
[Link: greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:25:30am |
OT, but the nirther nonsense is the comedy gift that keeps on giving:
Birther Vortex Sucks In Innocent Australian Man
It's become very clear that the Birthers simply aren't going to stop -- ever. In fact, their craziness and ineptitude is now starting to spread over the whole globe in some pretty funny ways.
The Birthers dragged a complete bystander from yet another country, David Bomford of Adelaide, Australia, into this whole mess. And now, it appears, their ringleader is saying that he's the phony. It really is worth thinking about what has happened here.
After Orly Taitz released the quickly-debunked forged Kenyan birth certificate, it was discovered that the document was altered from a source document that didn't even come from Kenya, but was taken from Bomford's family genealogy site.
Bomford himself chimed in, and told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that he would be taking his birth certificate off the family genealogy Web site, after security experts said he'd left himself open to identity theft. But he did seem a bit entertained about the whole experience: "I'm not particularly worried about it because no-one would honestly believe that anyone like me would be involved in it - just a grey-haired old guy sitting in a corner in quiet old Adelaide."
But Taitz is carrying on, having posted two days ago on her Web site that Bomford's certificate is the suspect one: "Bomford report was created to try to discredit my efforts." (Note: the Taitz site may contain malware.)
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:31:29am |
alright, I am up, snagged a fruitcup, seem to be forgetting something...
Oh yeah. Good morning everyone. Every thing peaceful this morning?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:32:04am |
re: #200 iceweasel
I might make up a bunch of nirth certifikats, fill them out and drop them around town.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:32:05am |
Good Morning. Just got up in a hotel room & the coffeee is perking.
Oh this jet set life!
I hacv e Morning Joe on. The White House is correct there are angry mobs at the Town Halls & they sent them. SEIU thugs are activated to intimidate &/or keep people out. The White House is saying 'hit back twice as hard" & they did. The Union bully boys roughed up an elderly man outside of one of them.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:32:49am |
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33:27am |
re: #201 BlueCanuck
alright, I am up, snagged a fruitcup, seem to be forgetting something...
Oh yeah. Good morning everyone. Every thing peaceful this morning?
Yeah, wanna make somethin' of it?
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:34:49am |
re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar
I might make up a bunch of nirth certifikats, fill them out and drop them around town.
Who can blame you? I'm totally envious of the guy (or girl) who punked the nirthers with the fake one.
I made up one for myself once Honorary Yooper tipped me off to this link:
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:36:14am |
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:36:21am |
re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar
I might make up a bunch of nirth certifikats, fill them out and drop them around town.
I'm waiting for State II - 0bama's Sekrit Mooslimhood, and the search for the missing foreskin that proves it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:37:09am |
re: #207 iceweasel
SEX: yes, please...I wouldn't expect any other answer. I actually made it a point to look for that, heh.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:37:24am |
re: #205 littleoldlady
opnion! :-)
GOOD GRIEF! Where was that?
Not sure, they were discussing it just when I turned on the Television & must have cited the location just before I turned it on.
Interesting though they were all saying that the media will spin it anyway that White House wants them to.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:37:51am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Nyah! Nyah!
*administers atomic wedgie to Bat*
Hey! I've had a couple of Nehi's and I'm lookin' for trouble!
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:38:36am |
re: #210 SixDegrees
I'm waiting for State II - 0bama's Sekrit Mooslimhood, and the search for the missing foreskin that proves it.
*shudder*
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:38:45am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:38:53am |
re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar
SEX: yes, please...I wouldn't expect any other answer. I actually made it a point to look for that, heh.
Damn, I'm predictable. :(
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:41:03am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:43:12am |
re: #203 opnion
Good Morning. Just got up in a hotel room & the coffeee is perking.
Oh this jet set life!
I hacv e Morning Joe on. The White House is correct there are angry mobs at the Town Halls & they sent them. SEIU thugs are activated to intimidate &/or keep people out. The White House is saying 'hit back twice as hard" & they did. The Union bully boys roughed up an elderly man outside of one of them.
The White House poltical director, Patrick Gaspard, is a former political director of SEIU.
Prior to his work with Obama, Gaspard was the executive vice president of politics and legislation for Local 1199 SEIU United Healthcare Workers East. In his role as VP, Gaspard led the union's legislative efforts in Albany, Annapolis, Boston and Washington, DC and coordinated the volunteer efforts that sent hundreds of union members to Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and other primary election states to campaign for Obama. He also led SEIU's lobbying efforts on the federal State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 2007. In 2006, Gaspard served as SEIU's acting political director.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:43:21am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:43:43am |
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:43:51am |
re: #216 iceweasel
I had to go back and look. You're a sly one ice.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:44:06am |
Spin Schmin!
Union thugs beating up on old people?
/insert something about lying eyes here
This is a job for The LittleOldLady Brigade!
/have handbag; will travel ;-)
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:44:18am |
re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar
See my #144.
Thank's they're talking it about right now on Morning Joe.
SEIU is the most radical , thuggish union in the country , but the UNITE thugs are warming up in the bull pen.
We can talk about the Deluded Birthers, but the White House is now into full Nazi mode. Seem to me that the White House is much more dangerous.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:44:21am |
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:45:21am |
Government Lying about Cash for Clunkers Sales.
What a surprise. So are the actual results. Greenpeace is not going to be happy.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:45:40am |
re: #221 BatGuano
I had to go back and look. You're a sly one ice.
Hee. You get me, Bat. :)
I have to take off, but I hope everyone has a great day/night wherever you are.
cheers, icedub
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:47:04am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:47:22am |
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:47:33am |
re: #226 iceweasel
Goodnight, Ice. It's been a pleasure, as always.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:47:46am |
re: #218 MandyManners
People are going to get a real good look at SEIU & how Obama, Emanuel ETAL will use these bullys. Fortunately for the White House the media will convince those who want to be convinced that they are not really seeing what they're seeing.
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JEA62 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:48:00am |
re: #73 leftover54
'Insanity doesn't just run in his family, it practically gallops!'
Cary Grant: 'Arsenic and Old Lace'.
1944
My, my, my! Someone who knows where I stole it! Congratulations! ;)
"Niagara falls? Well, let it!"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:48:33am |
re: #225 SixDegrees
I just hope all these salesman hold on to their money because after this is over, they might see s slight decrease in sales.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:48:48am |
re: #223 opnion
Thank's they're talking it about right now on Morning Joe.
SEIU is the most radical , thuggish union in the country , but the UNITE thugs are warming up in the bull pen.
We can talk about the Deluded Birthers, but the White House is now into full Nazi mode. Seem to me that the White House is much more dangerous.
That's why the nirthers need to STFU and STFD.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:49:36am |
re: #231 opnion
People are going to get a real good look at SEIU & how Obama, Emanuel ETAL will use these bullys. Fortunately for the White House the media will convince those who want to be convinced that they are not really seeing what they're seeing.
People are not stupid.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:51:37am |
re: #222 littleoldlady
Spin Schmin!
Union thugs beating up on old people?
/insert something about lying eyes here
This is a job for The LittleOldLady Brigade!
/have handbag; will travel ;-)
Somewhere Saul Alinsky is smiling. BHO is now having his greatest moment in Community Organizing. He was able to organize a group of thugs to intimidate American citizens.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:53:57am |
re: #234 MandyManners
That's why the nirthers need to STFU and STFD.
Mandy, they won't shut up , but they're really not that interesting.
The White House sending attack dogs on citizens is the story.
People still think that the Moon Landing was a hoax, while Obama nibbles away at the Constitution.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:54:10am |
re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar
I just hope all these salesman hold on to their money because after this is over, they might see s slight decrease in sales.
'Slight'? Anyone who was even remotely considering buying a car within the next year or two is going to dogpile on this program; they'd be insane not to. They're draining their future sales for many, many months to come.
They're also saddling consumers with debt they might not have otherwise taken on, which will be an additional stone around the economy's neck whenever an actual recovery begins to materialize.
And ya gotta love the bullshit the government is shoveling about how this is raising gas mileage, when in fact the most popular cars being sold are SUVs and other big-ass vehicles.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:55:25am |
re: #236 opnion
There's still more of "us" than there are of "them". (For now.) Perhaps public display of dissent can be tamped down but no amount of ACORN will change the results of the voting booth.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:55:43am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:56:32am |
re: #238 opnion
Mandy, they won't shut up , but they're really not that interesting.
The White House sending attack dogs on citizens is the story.
People still think that the Moon Landing was a hoax, while Obama nibbles away at the Constitution.
What I'm saying is that the nirthers are a most unhelpful distraction.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:56:36am |
re: #232 JEA62
Anyone who has not seen "Arsenic and Old lace" do it as soon as possible. it is one of the funniest movies of all time.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:57:52am |
re: #243 BatGuano
One of my favorites! :-)
[In the dark]
Peter Lorre: Where am I? ... Oh. Here I am!
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:59:35am |
re: #235 MandyManners
People are not stupid.
A lot are naive. Obama gave his ultimate speech on race to explain Rev Wright. He blames everything on White Racism & people swooned.
Chris Matthwews compared it to the Gettysburg Address & Obama was off of the hook.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:01:06am |
re: #242 MandyManners
What I'm saying is that the nirthers are a most unhelpful distraction.
No doubt about it, so they should be ignored.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:03:37am |
re: #245 opnion
A lot are naive. Obama gave his ultimate speech on race to explain Rev Wright. He blames everything on White Racism & people swooned.
Chris Matthwews compared it to the Gettysburg Address & Obama was off of the hook.
Things have changed since that speech.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:05:06am |
re: #247 MandyManners
Things have changed since that speech.
One thing hasn't changed: Chris Matthews is still a douche.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:06:12am |
re: #246 opnion
No doubt about it, so they should be ignored.
The problem is, what if people opposed to this giantic leap toward socialism hold a demonstration and some nirthers show up, signs in tow? Won't the MFM claim ALL demonstrators are nirthers?
Also, nirtherism is draining attention and energy from the real issues.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:06:19am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:06:40am |
re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, I hate that word tossed around like this but, I agee with you.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:07:47am |
re: #251 BatGuano
You all saw it! I've been whacked by Mandy! Finally!
I went to Korea to dig up the time capsule to get your Teddy to whack you with.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:09:34am |
re: #247 MandyManners
Things have changed since that speech.
Right, he has over exposed himself & lost a lot of his mystique.
He begins to look like one more inept Cook County thug.
However he still owns the media & has real hardcore support.
Outrageously the White House institutes a snitch policy & turns out orgnized Labor to intimidate dissent.
There is still a lot of power there , especially with Dem majorities in both Houses.
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littleoldlady Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:10:25am |
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:11:38am |
re: #250 MandyManners
The problem is, what if people opposed to this giantic leap toward socialism hold a demonstration and some nirthers show up, signs in tow? Won't the MFM claim ALL demonstrators are nirthers?
Also, nirtherism is draining attention and energy from the real issues.
The story this morning is union thugs. Nirthers only get noticed if people pay attention. The Truthers did not cost Obama the White House.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:13:03am |
re: #255 littleoldlady
The younger cop was played by Jack Carson, a staple of the 30's and 40's.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:13:32am |
The woman who put together the town hall in Tampa is on the radio now.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:16:22am |
re: #254 opnion
Right, he has over exposed himself & lost a lot of his mystique.
He begins to look like one more inept Cook County thug.
However he still owns the media & has real hardcore support.
Outrageously the White House institutes a snitch policy & turns out orgnized Labor to intimidate dissent.
There is still a lot of power there , especially with Dem majorities in both Houses.
I cannot recall which Lizard posted this but, there might be a chink in the MFM protection of FCBBHO.
While it is interesting to see how a president handles questions, Friedman says, "there was nothing" at the July 22 session, which was dominated by health-care questions. "There hardly ever is these days, because there's so much coverage all the time."
Had Obama not answered the last question that evening -- declaring that the Cambridge police had acted "stupidly" in arresting Henry Louis Gates at his home -- the news conference would have been almost totally devoid of news. And that raises questions about whether the sessions have become mainly a vehicle for Obama to repeat familiar messages.
Mark Whitaker, NBC's Washington bureau chief, says Obama "is at risk of overexposure" and suggests the sessions are losing their novelty.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:18:44am |
re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar
The woman who put together the town hall in Tampa is on the radio now.
The woman said all were invited, no posters for or against, didn't blame anyone for disruptions. Good interview.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:19:33am |
re: #259 MandyManners
That the networks are now questioning cancelling prime time programs
to give BHO free air time is a good sign, but they still looove him.
Maybe not as much, but they are still in love.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:20:02am |
re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar
One thing hasn't changed: Chris Matthews is still a douche.
Had to pop back in to upding that. Really, that should be posted every single day. I'd certainly never get tired of updinging it!
Ok, really out of here now. Bye, folks.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:20:52am |
re: #254 opnion
Right, he has over exposed himself & lost a lot of his mystique.
He begins to look like one more inept Cook County thug.
However he still owns the media & has real hardcore support.
Outrageously the White House institutes a snitch policy & turns out orgnized Labor to intimidate dissent.
There is still a lot of power there , especially with Dem majorities in both Houses.
Wasn't Jim Messina the staffer who said that about hitting back twice as hard?
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:21:25am |
re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar
One thing hasn't changed: Chris Matthews is still a douche.
He is, but he echos lots of progressives.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:22:05am |
re: #256 opnion
The story this morning is union thugs. Nirthers only get noticed if people pay attention. The Truthers did not cost Obama the White House.
I'm thinking about the future, when the MFM label all protestors as Nirthers.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:22:44am |
re: #261 opnion
That the networks are now questioning cancelling prime time programs
to give BHO free air time is a good sign, but they still looove him.
Maybe not as much, but they are still in love.
Love doesn't patch up a shinking bottom line for long.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:24:08am |
re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar
The woman who put together the town hall in Tampa is on the radio now.
Not surprisingly, this is one of CNN's lead stories this morning. They never actually say if there was violence, or how it got started if it occurred, but they imply it, and closely associate it with Republicans through innuendo.
I would strongly urge anyone attending these meetings to A) behave themselves, and especially keep their hands to themselves, and B) get it on videotape. This is beginning to sound like an old, old union tactic where instigators get a fight started, then blame it on company goons in an attempt to stage and window dress their own little "Battle of the Overpass" event. It's been obvious for a week that painting GOP attendees as violent, slobbering miscreants is part of an organized strategy being orchestrated by the DNC; it ought to come as no surprise that it is only the first brick in the wall they're trying to build excluding opposition voices from the debate over health care and anything else on their agenda.
Document, document, document. And don't give them anything to use.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:24:34am |
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:24:59am |
re: #263 MandyManners
Wasn't Jim Messina the staffer who said that about hitting back twice as hard?
Yeah, I think that you are right, & it was BHO himslf that said 'Get in their faces." This is an important moment & the White House will pull out all of the stops.
If BHO does not get his healthcare rationing, he will lose the blue dogs & the 200 elections will get interesting.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:26:35am |
re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar
The woman who put together the town hall in Tampa is on the radio now.
About that "disrupt the meetings" memo - somebody posted this article yesterday evening - some of you may have missed it, it's interesting
Think Progress, MSNBC 'Manufacture' a Story With Putative Smoking Gun 'Mob' Memo
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:28:07am |
re: #267 SixDegrees
This is beginning to sound like an old, old union tactic
Did you see my No. 218 about the former SEIU political director, Patrick Gaspard, who is now the same for FCBBHO?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:28:52am |
re: #269 opnion
Yeah, I think that you are right, & it was BHO himslf that said 'Get in their faces." This is an important moment & the White House will pull out all of the stops.
If BHO does not get his healthcare rationing, he will lose the blue dogs & the 200 elections will get interesting.
I thought that the Blue Dogs were against rationing.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:29:28am |
re: #270 reine.de.tout
About that "disrupt the meetings" memo - somebody posted this article yesterday evening - some of you may have missed it, it's interesting
Think Progress, MSNBC 'Manufacture' a Story With Putative Smoking Gun 'Mob' Memo
Interesting how ThinkProgress invented those headlines and attributed them to the original memo.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:30:31am |
re: #265 MandyManners
re: #266 MandyManners
Love doesn't patch up a shinking bottom line for long.
THe Nirterswill not stop until they get another issue.
It is hatrmless to have some laughs about them , But imo they are a side show. Obama has lost his dominance on healthcare reform
This recess is the worst thing that could have happened to him. No matter how the media spin it , the blue dogs do not see a mob, they see angry constituents.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:31:02am |
re: #271 MandyManners
Also from No. 218: He also led SEIU's lobbying efforts on the federal State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 2007.
So, this is nothing new to him, whether in form or content.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:31:12am |
re: #271 MandyManners
This is beginning to sound like an old, old union tactic
Did you see my No. 218 about the former SEIU political director, Patrick Gaspard, who is now the same for FCBBHO?
Yup. My own experience is with the Teamsters, but they all work out of the same book. This sort of staged drama has been part and parcel of their act since the 30s, at least.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:32:51am |
re: #274 opnion
re: #266 MandyManners
THe Nirterswill not stop until they get another issue.
It is hatrmless to have some laughs about them , But imo they are a side show. Obama has lost his dominance on healthcare reform
This recess is the worst thing that could have happened to him. No matter how the media spin it , the blue dogs do not see a mob, they see angry constituents.
I hope they see where their jobs will be on Wednesday, November 7, 2012.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:34:11am |
re: #271 MandyManners
The SEIU is a confederation of thugs. I have been dealing with those bastards for eight years. At least twice a year I have to drive them off our property at work. They rush lobbies, harass, intimidate, disrupt business and generally make a nuisance of themselves. Oh, and Obama supports them.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:35:48am |
Mr. Long-Locks is dead! The most-wanted man in Pakistan, Mehsud, has assumed room temperature.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:36:02am |
re: #272 MandyManners
I thought that the Blue Dogs were against rationing.
The Blue Dogs pay lip service to economic responsibility & oppose rationing , but they are Democrats.
When they were called to the White House it was not to have beers with Obama. You can bet that it was explained to them how to get good committee assignments.
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Mithrax Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:36:31am |
Does anyone want to go get a blood test done for me this morning?
I'll throw in some brownies for you!
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:36:31am |
re: #276 SixDegrees
Yup. My own experience is with the Teamsters, but they all work out of the same book. This sort of staged drama has been part and parcel of their act since the 30s, at least.
Are unions still influenced by the mob?
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:36:56am |
the union mobs are paid and ready, violence is at our door. why should anyone be surprised it's only 10 or 20 times worse than we thought. i hope we can remember, all of this, and take it to the ballot box in 2010. that is, if we have a vote in 2010 that is :>(
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:37:39am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:37:52am |
re: #279 MandyManners
Mr. Long-Locks is dead! The most-wanted man in Pakistan, Mehsud, has assumed room temperature.
This message has been brought to you by Predator Drones and the HellCat manufacturer near you.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:38:22am |
re: #277 MandyManners
I hope they see where their jobs will be on Wednesday, November 7, 2012.
If they support their constituents they will probably be back.
If they cave in to Chicago intimidation it's probably back to the private sector.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:38:41am |
re: #281 Mithrax
Does anyone want to go get a blood test done for me this morning?
I'll throw in some brownies for you!
You don't want my blood...trust me
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:38:43am |
re: #278 BatGuano
The SEIU is a confederation of thugs. I have been dealing with those bastards for eight years. At least twice a year I have to drive them off our property at work. They rush lobbies, harass, intimidate, disrupt business and generally make a nuisance of themselves. Oh, and Obama supports them.
I briefly confused them with RDSWU, the union at the Tyson plant in Shelbyville, TN, that forced the company to drop Labor Day and pick up a Muslim holiday as a paid day off.
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EaterOfFood Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:38:55am |
re: #180 BatGuano
Under current government supplied health care, my mom is in a skilled nursing home paid for by the state of California. Her living wil,l as regards life staining equipment ,was drawn up by an attorney for a small fee. My wife and I have health insurance that I do not want to be disturbed. I think Americans are morally obligated ,and is indeed is in their self-interest to provide for the those who cannot provide for themselves. I can't go along with a hastily constructed health care system that purports to cover everyone with no loss in benefits to anyone when we know it will be astronomically expensive and be possibly a monumental government failure.
And what if they enact it and it is the failure? What will the government do, throw more money at it?
And what if the GOP somehow manages to get back into power? Will they admit this was a mistake or will they just try to drill more holes in the ship to let out the water?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:39:23am |
re: #280 opnion
The Blue Dogs pay lip service to economic responsibility & oppose rationing , but they are Democrats.
When they were called to the White House it was not to have beers with Obama. You can bet that it was explained to them how to get good committee assignments.
Where do they stand on the Second Amendment?
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:39:25am |
re: #277 MandyManners
I hope they see where their jobs will be on Wednesday, November 7, 2012.
aren't each and every congress critter up for the vote in 2010?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:39:58am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:40:37am |
re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar
This message has been brought to you by Predator Drones and the HellCat manufacturer near you.
I wonder if it burned his hair.
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Mithrax Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:40:45am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:41:08am |
re: #286 opnion
If they support their constituents they will probably be back.
If they cave in to Chicago intimidation it's probably back to the private sector.
I wonder if they'll make use of union thugs in their campaigns.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:41:51am |
I'm no fan of Pat Robertson, but a broken clock is still right twice a day. There is no reference to separation of church and state in the constitution.
Just sayin.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:41:57am |
re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oops, meant Hellfire. I lost my CAT hat, so that was on my mind.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:42:11am |
re: #290 MandyManners
Where do they stand on the Second Amendment?
Probably not very supportive. They see themselves as economic Conservatives & Social Liberals.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:43:07am |
re: #291 apachegunner
aren't each and every congress critter up for the vote in 2010?
I have no idea.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:44:13am |
re: #289 EaterOfFood
In both cases the answer is yes. I would like more of my money to take personal responsibility for my mom. The government will not allow that and now all taxpayers are taking care of my mom, and I, theirs.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:44:27am |
re: #295 MandyManners
I wonder if they'll make use of union thugs in their campaigns.
I have seen these tactics in Chicago most of my life, now Obama, Emanuel & the others have it on a national scale.
IMO this is thuggery with a Socialist agenda & the would like us to notice Nirthers.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:44:36am |
re: #251 BatGuano
You all saw it! I've been whacked by Mandy! Finally!
mandy whacked me my first day, thought it was the routine :>)
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:44:54am |
re: #296 rwdflynavy
I'm no fan of Pat Robertson, but a broken clock is still right twice a day. There is no reference to separation of church and state in the constitution.
Just sayin.
That word is not used but, the meaning is clear:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:46:00am |
re: #291 apachegunner
aren't each and every congress critter up for the vote in 2010?
Yeah, & I think that it would take only 21 seats to recature the House.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:46:29am |
IMHO, Fruity Pebbles beats Cocoa Puffs hands down.
Morning.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:47:17am |
re: #299 MandyManners
I have no idea.
i believe every member of the house is on the block in 2010, 435 of em
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:47:24am |
re: #301 opnion
I have seen these tactics in Chicago most of my life, now Obama, Emanuel & the others have it on a national scale.
IMO this is thuggery with a Socialist agenda & the would like us to notice Nirthers.
Oh, this kind of thuggery is inherent in human nature so I won't blame Chicago.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:48:14am |
re: #302 apachegunner
mandy whacked me my first day, thought it was the routine :>)
I've not been whacking for more than two years. Have I?
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:48:22am |
re: #296 rwdflynavy
That is correct. Rule number 1: Do not upset the apple cart.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:48:47am |
re: #306 apachegunner
i believe every member of the house is on the block in 2010, 435 of em
I thought it was staggered.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:48:51am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:49:09am |
re: #303 MandyManners
If the meaning was clear there would be no debate.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:50:00am |
re: #308 MandyManners
I've not been whacking for more than two years. Have I?
seems to me you have and I am only a little over two lizard years old ya know?
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:50:08am |
re: #303 MandyManners
That word is not used but, the meaning is clear:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...
Right , but the Establishment Clause does not build a wall between Church & State. Seperation of Church & State was used in a letter by Thomas Jedfferson to the Ma. Baptist Convention to assure them that a national church was not being established.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:50:11am |
re: #296 rwdflynavy
I'm no fan of Pat Robertson, but a broken clock is still right twice a day. There is no reference to separation of church and state in the constitution.
Just sayin.
Isn't there also a bit about no religious test being legal in the Constitution?
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:50:30am |
re: #305 SasquatchOnSteroids
IMHO, Fruity Pebbles beats Cocoa Puffs hands down.
Morning.
Anyyy freakin' day!
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:50:42am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:51:00am |
Wife overslept this morning for the first time in 20 years. Now? She's only a half hour early for work.
Her day/weekend is ruined.
Can you say, "Obsess much?"
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:51:15am |
re: #307 MandyManners
Oh, this kind of thuggery is inherent in human nature so I won't blame Chicago.
Mandy, in Chicago it is an art form. Corruption is encouraged.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:51:15am |
re: #312 rwdflynavy
If the meaning was clear there would be no debate.
It's quite clear to me that the government cannot favor any religion nor can it interfere.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:51:28am |
re: #310 MandyManners
i thought so to but i had heard somewhere that all of them were on the block. i'll research it and get back to you.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:51:42am |
re: #313 apachegunner
seems to me you have and I am only a little over two lizard years old ya know?
I'm just about a year older.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:51:44am |
re: #282 MandyManners
Are unions still influenced by the mob?
Very difficult to say. Federal prosecutions seem to have cleaned up that problem, although it's possible they simply drove it further underground. In any case, there hasn't been much in the way of mob/union scandals in recent years.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:52:23am |
re: #302 apachegunner
You are blessed, young gunner. Although if you were truly favored you would be chained to a wall. And, yes it is a Monty Python reference.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:52:47am |
re: #314 opnion
Right , but the Establishment Clause does not build a wall between Church & State. Seperation of Church & State was used in a letter by Thomas Jedfferson to the Ma. Baptist Convention to assure them that a national church was not being established.
I knew Jefferson mentioned it in another document but I could not remember which one.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:52:51am |
re: #305 SasquatchOnSteroids
IMHO, Fruity Pebbles beats Cocoa Puffs hands down.
You could also just put some "Skittles" in a bowl and pour milk over them.
| 328 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:53:18am |
re: #319 opnion
Mandy, in Chicago it is an art form. Corruption is encouraged.
Didn't it start with the Irish machine?
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:53:29am |
re: #320 MandyManners
It's quite clear to me that the government cannot favor any religion nor can it interfere.
Should Churches that engage in politics lose their tax xempt status?
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:53:35am |
re: #325 BatGuano
You are blessed, young gunner. Although if you were truly favored you would be chained to a wall. And, yes it is a Monty Python reference.
thanks for that "young" bat. i only look young, i am as old as dirt.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:54:30am |
re: #321 apachegunner
i thought so to but i had heard somewhere that all of them were on the block. i'll research it and get back to you.
Depending on how this debate goes, I wonder how many will want FCBBHO to campagin for them.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:55:18am |
re: #310 MandyManners
I thought it was staggered.
[Link: uspolitics.about.com...] nope, all of em mandy
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:55:25am |
re: #329 opnion
Should Churches that engage in politics lose their tax xempt status?
That was threatened, IIRC, because many are right wing. Wanna guess which side made the threat?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:55:48am |
re: #302 apachegunner
mandy whacked me my first day, thought it was the routine :>)
Batguano got off easy. She didn't use the clue-by-four on him.
/been whacked once or twice myself.
/once with Furry's walker...
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:56:01am |
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:56:03am |
re: #328 MandyManners
Didn't it start with the Irish machine?
No, Big Bill Thoompson & Anton Cermak wer not part of the Irish Machine.
It is a tradition that the Irish picked up , but the city's first Black Mayor , Harold Washington was corrupt as well.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:56:24am |
re: #322 rwdflynavy
Yes
So, the government can neither support nor hinder religion and it cannot impose a religious test.
Sounds like "separation" is an apt, short-hand description to me.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:57:03am |
re: #324 SixDegrees
Very difficult to say. Federal prosecutions seem to have cleaned up that problem, although it's possible they simply drove it further underground. In any case, there hasn't been much in the way of mob/union scandals in recent years.
Has the mob moved on to drugs and gambling?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:57:37am |
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:57:51am |
re: #310 MandyManners
I thought it was staggered.
No ,the full House is up & one third of the Senate
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:58:07am |
Today is the first day of school. Gotta' get The Kid going. bbiasec
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:58:18am |
re: #338 MandyManners
Has the mob moved on to drugs and gambling?
I don't think they ever left it. Add prostitution to the mix.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:58:32am |
re: #291 apachegunner
aren't each and every congress critter up for the vote in 2010?
Every member in the House of Representatives is up for re-election every two years. Senate terms are six years, and their election cycles are staggered to prevent more than a third being on the ballot at once.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:01:05am |
re: #296 rwdflynavy
I'm no fan of Pat Robertson, but a broken clock is still right twice a day.
Pat Robertson is not a clock. He's a hate-filled bigoted asshole.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:01:06am |
re: #339 MandyManners
YES. YES. YES.
That would be interesting since African American Churches traditionally are political.
Candidates campaign on the pulpit & Ministers routinely give political sermons & endorse candidtes. Would it be considered racist to strip them of their tax exemption?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:04:34am |
re: #332 apachegunner
[Link: uspolitics.about.com...] nope, all of em mandy
re: #340 opnion
No ,the full House is up & one third of the Senate
This might be the most interesting election of my adult life.
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BatGuano Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:05:07am |
re: #345 opnion
I think if they are democrats that would be yes. No?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:05:09am |
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:05:38am |
re: #338 MandyManners
Has the mob moved on to drugs and gambling?
It's not really a move; more of a short, sideways shuffle. They've always been entangled with such things.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:05:47am |
re: #336 opnion
No, Big Bill Thoompson & Anton Cermak wer not part of the Irish Machine.
It is a tradition that the Irish picked up , but the city's first Black Mayor , Harold Washington was corrupt as well.
Must be something in the water.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:06:09am |
re: #342 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't think they ever left it. Add prostitution to the mix.
How could I forget the hookers?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:06:47am |
re: #345 opnion
That would be interesting since African American Churches traditionally are political.
Candidates campaign on the pulpit & Ministers routinely give political sermons & endorse candidtes. Would it be considered racist to strip them of their tax exemption?
No. In fact, it is racist to give them a pass.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:07:20am |
re: #349 SixDegrees
It's not really a move; more of a short, sideways shuffle. They've always been entangled with such things.
The Mafia Mambo?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:07:38am |
Here’s a gift idea for the moonbat who has everything except a way to measure his neurotic guilt — the Wearable Carbon Credit Meter. From TreeHugger:
First Post :
Um, yes. I can’t come into work today. Sick? No, I’m not sick. The planet is sick, and if I come in I’ll only make things worse.
Smartass. heh.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:10:11am |
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:11:07am |
Countrywide Loan Scandal Expands.
Most Ethical Government Ever.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:13:18am |
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:14:02am |
Good morning lizards.
Watching Geraldo claiming the healthcare protests are fake.
Extreme desire to throw my coffee cup at the TV. These people are starting to piss me off.
Apparently, any dissent against the One could not possibly be genuine./
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:14:04am |
Back to the daily commute to school. I hope the assholes just get out of my way.
bbiaw
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:14:27am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:14:31am |
we are not going to take it anymore
Does this mean Robertson's a Twisted Sister fan?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:15:13am |
re: #360 VioletTiger
Thank you for posting that WAPO article on the networks the other day.
I hat-tipped you earlier.
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:17:39am |
re: #363 Mad Al-Jaffee
Does this mean Robertson's a Twisted Sister fan?
I remember Twisted Sister...Goes back a while.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:17:58am |
re: #359 SixDegrees
We have GOT to get Cuba opened back up for US tourism.
man oh man i'd love it. i've traveled all over the windward and leeward islands of the carib, from aruba to the us virgin islands and every island in between and i've always wanted to spend some time on a cuban beach and resort. anytime, anytime
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:18:27am |
re: #365 MandyManners
Thank you for posting that WAPO article on the networks the other day.
I hat-tipped you earlier.
Thanks.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:19:04am |
re: #366 VioletTiger
I remember Twisted Sister...Goes back a while.
PMRC v. Dee was quite a show back in the day.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:20:03am |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:20:33am |
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:20:45am |
Last night I was reading comments people left on some of the articles on the fishing for info site. Hysterical.
People reporting the Cabella catalog, coastal fishing reports, the aquarium.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:21:57am |
re: #367 apachegunner
man oh man i'd love it. i've traveled all over the windward and leeward islands of the carib, from aruba to the us virgin islands and every island in between and i've always wanted to spend some time on a cuban beach and resort. anytime, anytime
A lot of those old high-end hotels from the 50s are still intact, albeit in poor condition. But the company that restores one to it's former splendor will make a fortune off American tourism, no matter how much the work costs.
And I would love to visit some of Hemingway's old haunts there, which apparently are still well preserved.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:22:23am |
re: #373 VioletTiger
Maybe buried deep in the aquarium article there is something... uh... uh... well... suspicious?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:22:27am |
re: #372 SasquatchOnSteroids
I remember Dee Snyder in front of Congress being asked, "What does SMF mean." I love Twisted Sister. Seen them 3 times.
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MikeAlv77 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:23:07am |
re: #345 opnion
That would be interesting since African American Churches traditionally are political.
Candidates campaign on the pulpit & Ministers routinely give political sermons & endorse candidtes. Would it be considered racist to strip them of their tax exemption?
not at all. equal protection under the law swings all ways. if its wrong, its wrong, not matter the color of the perosn doing it.
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:23:19am |
re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe buried deep in the aquarium article there is something... uh... uh... well... suspicious?
I'm thinking of reporting the PETA Sea Kitten site. That's pretty fishy.
oh...wait
Meow
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:23:24am |
re: #371 Cannadian Club Akbar
PMRC= Tipper Gore, no?
Should also mention that slapping those labels on those records was the best thing to ever happen to 80's hard rock.
Censor it !
Worked out well for the bands.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:25:10am |
re: #346 MandyManners
This might be the most interesting election of my adult life.
Vote early , vote often. (sarc)
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elevenbravo1969 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:25:12am |
re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar
OK...ya got me. What does SMF mean?
/I hope this doesn't make me look too stupid...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:26:26am |
re: #382 elevenbravo1969
OK...ya got me. What does SMF mean?
/I hope this doesn't make me look too stupid...
Sick Mother Fucker.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:27:13am |
Two old ladies laying the a crick
Each one wishing the other had a ... paddle.
Honey, let me be your salty dog.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:28:02am |
re: #377 MikeAlv77
not at all. equal protection under the law swings all ways. if its wrong, its wrong, not matter the color of the perosn doing it.
It is not confined just to African American Clerics, as an example Father Pflager. Also lots of White Funamentalist Ministers get political.
My point is though , that if taxexempt status was denied, the race card would be played.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:28:54am |
re: #378 VioletTiger
I'm thinking of reporting the PETA Sea Kitten site. That's pretty fishy.
oh...wait
Meow
I'm going on a charter on Tuesday to catch some seastuffs.
Report filed.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:29:03am |
re: #361 MandyManners
Back to the daily commute to school. I hope the assholes just get out of my way.
bbiaw
I don't worry about the other assholes on the road. I am a bigger one then they are. Can you say combat driving?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:29:45am |
re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar
I remember Dee Snyder in front of Congress being asked, "What does SMF mean." I love Twisted Sister. Seen them 3 times.
I still remember the videos with Niedermeyer from Animal House.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:29:53am |
Dee Snyder. All dressed up.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:30:18am |
re: #390 BlueCanuck
I don't worry about the other assholes on the road. I am a bigger one then they are. Can you say combat driving?
Power
Merge
Live it.
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:30:52am |
Interesting, Judge Napolitano just explained that the White House is violating a 1997 Privacy statute by collecting the "Fishy" emails etc.
Your email address is definitely your identity.
There is another statute that prohibits destroying such records
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:31:12am |
re: #386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Two old ladies laying the a crick
Each one wishing the other had a ... paddle.
Honey, let me be your salty dog.
You'll probably like this article:
[Link: www.cracked.com...] ... blush.html
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:31:37am |
re: #393 SasquatchOnSteroids
Power
MergeLive it.
The vehicle with the mismatched panels ALWAYS gets right of way. When merging, cut off the higher end vehicles, your insurance is cheaper then theirs.
/lessons from when driving cab.
| 397 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:31:41am |
re: #394 opnion
There is another statute that prohibits destroying such records
Another ODS opportunity awaits.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:31:49am |
re: #389 SasquatchOnSteroids
I'm going on a charter on Tuesday to catch some seastuffs.
Report filed.
Don't hurt the sea kittehs!!!
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:32:08am |
re: #388 opnion
White Funamentalist Ministers get political.
This may be technically true, since many fundamentalist speakers and pundits have been to seminary, but as far as political talk from the pulpit I have seen nothing to match the traditional black churches.
| 400 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:32:40am |
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opnion Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:32:58am |
re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Another ODS opportunity awaits.
Yeah. gotta go do whatever it is that I do, have a great day everybody!
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:33:51am |
re: #398 Mad Al-Jaffee
Don't hurt the sea kittehs!!!
Mmmm, comfort food...
/oh wait, SEA kittehs. nebermind...
| 404 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:34:50am |
re: #402 taxfreekiller
Back in the day, the race card tfk was on was at Devils Bowl Raceway, just southeast of Dallas, Sprint Car night. Nice little race card that.
How'd you do ? I get the feeling your a bumping is drafting kind of fellow.
| 405 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:35:38am |
re: #403 BlueCanuck
Mmmm, comfort food...
/oh wait, SEA kittehs. nebermind...
They've got some filleted rainbow sea kitteh on sale at the market that's calling to me...
| 406 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:35:39am |
re: #404 SasquatchOnSteroids
How'd you do ? I get the feeling
youryou're a bumping is drafting kind of fellow.
gees, wake up buttmunch.
| 407 |
midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:35:48am |
www.americanthinker.com...]>Silver 4 Seniors
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nonic Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:36:56am |
Charles,
Actually, there IS nothing about the separation of church and state in the Constitution. Check for yourself [Link: www.house.gov...]
The concept of separation of church and state first came up in some correspondence by Thomas Jefferson. It is an honored and worthy policy of the United States -- but it's not in the Constitution.
The closest anything in the Constitution comes to separation of church and state is a prohibition on religious test for office, Article VI, Clause 3.
"No religious test" means no one can be excluded because of religion, or required to be of a particular religion, or be required to have NO religion.
| 412 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:37:52am |
re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have most (actually, probably all) of those songs on cd.
Asylum Street Spankers have been known to cover "Shave 'Em Dry."
| 413 |
Beach Lover Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:38:01am |
re: #360 VioletTiger
Good morning lizards.
Watching Geraldo claiming the healthcare protests are fake.
Extreme desire to throw my coffee cup at the TV. These people are starting to piss me off.
Apparently, any dissent against the One could not possibly be genuine./
Geraldo is letting his teeny bias show again!
what is wrong with these people? Saw this article this morning. It's a great read...
It's difficult for mere mortals like us to fully grasp the enormity of the Democrats' hypocrisy. Put aside all that talk of dissent being the highest form of patriotism. Overlook that Democrats would have upended jerry cans of gasoline and immolated themselves in protest if the Bush administration had asked people to inform on their neighbors. You can even forget that the DNC's claims are untrue.But how can we ignore the fact that the world's most famous community organizer is whining about community organizing?
| 414 |
VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:38:41am |
re: #394 opnion
Interesting, Judge Napolitano just explained that the White House is violating a 1997 Privacy statute by collecting the "Fishy" emails etc.
Your email address is definitely your identity.
There is another statute that prohibits destroying such records
Remember when left side heads exploded that the Bush Admin was wire tapping terrorists? Apparently, this isn't a problem for them.
| 415 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:39:04am |
I've been reading the various articles about the heath care bill protests and protestors. There are some groups of nuts causing trouble, or actually breaking the law, but, it is evident from the reports that there are real citizens with real concerns trying to attend these town hall styled meetings.
And they are making an impact. The Democrats are worried. There is even talk this morning that they will try to pass this without any support from independents or moderates. A statement like that will be noticed by the unaffiliated, and should make them mad.
The White House has told the Democrats to "punch back twice as hard." That certainly sounds like fighting words. And it sounds like a group of really worried politicians.
And even at a private AARP meeting, there is a problem. Interesting that this is not an open meeting, so no one can whine about the meeting being "padded" with agents.
AARP ORGANIZERS CANCEL ‘LISTENING SESSION’ AFTER PARTICIPANTS REFUSE TO ‘KEEP THEIR COMMENTS QUIET’
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
[Link: www.politico.com...]
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Even if you set aside the trouble makers that are interjecting themselves into these protest, it is obvious to the country that Obama and the progressives are not getting their way this time, and they don't like it. That's what this country is all about.
Keep up the good work.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:39:27am |
re: #411 nonic
Charles,
Actually, there IS nothing about the separation of church and state in the Constitution. Check for yourself [Link: www.house.gov...]
The concept of separation of church and state first came up in some correspondence by Thomas Jefferson. It is an honored and worthy policy of the United States -- but it's not in the Constitution.
The closest anything in the Constitution comes to separation of church and state is a prohibition on religious test for office, Article VI, Clause 3.
"No religious test" means no one can be excluded because of religion, or required to be of a particular religion, or be required to have NO religion.
This ridiculous, contorted non-starter has already been addressed, above.
| 418 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:41:47am |
| 419 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:42:00am |
re: #417 VioletTiger
WE can organize, but you CAN'T./
Old restaurant management Proverb:
Organization is the key to success.
| 420 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:43:26am |
LOL, got an e-mail from my mom on stress. Chain type e-mail. I like this tip about stress.
If you lend someone $20 and never see them again, it was probably worth it.
| 421 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:44:03am |
re: #419 Cannadian Club Akbar
Old
restaurant managementanything Proverb:
Organization is the key to success.
| 422 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:44:12am |
Hi all.
‘You Are Terrifying Us’
Voters send a message to Washington, and get an ugly response.
And so the shock on the faces of Congressmen who’ve faced the grillings back home. And really, their shock is the first thing you see in the videos. They had no idea how people were feeling. Their 2008 win left them thinking an election that had been shaped by anti-Bush, anti-Republican, and pro-change feeling was really a mandate without context; they thought that in the middle of a historic recession featuring horrific deficits, they could assume support for the invention of a huge new entitlement carrying huge new costs.
The passions of the protesters, on the other hand, are not a surprise. They hired a man to represent them in Washington. They give him a big office, a huge staff and the power to tell people what to do. They give him a car and a driver, sometimes a security detail, and a special pin showing he’s a congressman. And all they ask in return is that he see to their interests and not terrify them too much. Really, that’s all people ask. Expectations are very low. What the protesters are saying is, “You are terrifying us.”
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:44:24am |
re: #360 VioletTiger
Good morning lizards.
Watching Geraldo claiming the healthcare protests are fake.
Extreme desire to throw my coffee cup at the TV. These people are starting to piss me off.
Apparently, any dissent against the One could not possibly be genuine./
I just laugh when I hear the incredible audacity of some of these commentators. First, of course, it so obvious that their assertion is false. Looking at the people, their individual testimony - right - hundreds of old actors, actresses, the response of the crowd there, all orchestrated, and more. We all know this. But the other thing is this: We will not let them permanently fuck up the country. No matter what. If we were pansy-ass lying vote thieves like them, maybe we would. But we are the ones who keep their dumb asses alive; militarily, economically. The data bears this out.
| 424 |
VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:44:42am |
re: #413 Beach Lover
My favorite complaint is where Boxer and Gibbs complain that the protesters are too well dressed to be 'real'. I guess they think all protesters look like Code Pink.
| 425 |
MikeAlv77 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:47:28am |
re: #388 opnion
It is not confined just to African American Clerics, as an example Father Pflager. Also lots of White Funamentalist Ministers get political.
My point is though , that if taxexempt status was denied, the race card would be played.
Unfortunately you are correct about that. In my own church, mixed congregation non-denominational christian church... during the elections, our pastor was very careful never to endorse a candidate. Just said go to their web sites, look up their positions and compare them to your beliefs. Then vote who you think best matches your positions...
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:47:54am |
re: #415 Walter L. Newton
I've been reading the various articles about the heath care bill protests and protestors. There are some groups of nuts causing trouble, or actually breaking the law, but, it is evident from the reports that there are real citizens with real concerns trying to attend these town hall styled meetings.
And they are making an impact. The Democrats are worried. There is even talk this morning that they will try to pass this without any support from independents or moderates. A statement like that will be noticed by the unaffiliated, and should make them mad.
The White House has told the Democrats to "punch back twice as hard." That certainly sounds like fighting words. And it sounds like a group of really worried politicians.
And even at a private AARP meeting, there is a problem. Interesting that this is not an open meeting, so no one can whine about the meeting being "padded" with agents.
AARP ORGANIZERS CANCEL ‘LISTENING SESSION’ AFTER PARTICIPANTS REFUSE TO ‘KEEP THEIR COMMENTS QUIET’
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
[Link: www.politico.com...]
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]Even if you set aside the trouble makers that are interjecting themselves into these protest, it is obvious to the country that Obama and the progressives are not getting their way this time, and they don't like it. That's what this country is all about.
Keep up the good work.
There appears to be a concerted, organized effort by the DNC to instigate violence at these meetings, in hopes of tarring Republicans with the offense. They've already set the stage, beginning last week with their coordinated outcries against "violence" and "Nazis" at such gatherings. The next step, now that the pump is primed, will be to release the goons, or to directly incite violence themselves.
I'd suggest that anyone attending these meetings bring a video camera. It'll make any attempted trickery much harder to prove if there are a few dozen recordings of what actually happened available.
Assuming, of course, that cameras are allowed in the first place. Prohibiting them will be a warning sign.
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:49:24am |
RIP John Hughes. Wow, maybe it's just those of us of a certain age or from the midwest, but what a list of awesome films. Soundtrack of High School and college. Ferris Beuler, Planes Trains and Automobiles, Uncle Buck, 16 Candles, etc...
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:50:55am |
Reports from one of our local health care town meetings: About 300 protesters against government run health care showed up, many with signs were all clearly hand written. The pro-government health care side had about 75 people, all with professionally printed signs.
hmmm - whose side is paid for by special interests?
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JamesTKirk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:52:11am |
re: #424 VioletTiger
My favorite complaint is where Boxer and Gibbs complain that the protesters are too well dressed to be 'real'. I guess they think all protesters look like Code Pink.
That's because these protesters have jobs.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:53:27am |
re: #427 Spenser (with an S)
RIP John Hughes. Wow, maybe it's just those of us of a certain age or from the midwest, but what a list of awesome films. Soundtrack of High School and college. Ferris Beuler, Planes Trains and Automobiles, Uncle Buck, 16 Candles, etc...
I have fond memories of watching Sixteen Candles when I was 13 or 14 and seeing that shower scene. ;)
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:54:14am |
re: #422 FrogMarch
Hi all.
More Peggy--
People are not automatons. They show up only if they care.
What the town-hall meetings represent is a feeling of rebellion, an uprising against change they do not believe in. And the Democratic response has been stunningly crude and aggressive. It has been to attack. Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the United States House of Representatives, accused the people at the meetings of “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.” (Apparently one protester held a hand-lettered sign with a “no” slash over a swastika.) But they are not Nazis, they’re Americans. Some of them looked like they’d actually spent some time fighting Nazis.
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Beach Lover Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:54:30am |
re: #424 VioletTiger
My favorite complaint is where Boxer and Gibbs complain that the protesters are too well dressed to be 'real'. I guess they think all protesters look like Code Pink.
I know. And isn't it interesting that Dems on TV (Gibbs included) all have the same key words..."mobs". They can't believe most of the citizens in this great country actually care about it almost as much as we care about ourselves! They are used to dealing with and appealing to the opposite. And "organizer-in-chief is the worst offender.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:55:23am |
re: #420 BlueCanuck
Okay most of these are just too good not to share:
1* Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue.
2* Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.
3* Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of it.
4* Drive carefully. It's not only cars that can be recalled by their Maker.
5* If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
6* If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.
7* It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.
8* Never buy a car you can't push.
9* Never put both feet in your mouth at the same time, because then you won't have a leg to stand on.
10* Nobody cares if you can't dance well. Just get up and dance.
11*Since it's the early worm that gets eaten by the bird, sleep late.
12* The second mouse gets the cheese.
13* When everything'scoming your way, you're in the wrong lane.
14* Birthdays are good for you. The more you have, the longer you live.
15* You may be only oneperson in the world, butyou may also be the world to one person.
16* Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once.
17* We could learn a lot from crayons. Some are sharp, some are pretty and some are dull. Somehave weird names and all are different colors, but they all have to live in the same box.
18* A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:55:56am |
re: #388 opnion
It is not confined just to African American Clerics, as an example Father Pflager. Also lots of White Funamentalist Ministers get political.
My point is though , that if taxexempt status was denied, the race card would be played.
the race card will forever be played, if you had it wouldn't you?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:56:58am |
re: #424 VioletTiger
My favorite complaint is where Boxer and Gibbs complain that the protesters are too well dressed to be 'real'. I guess they think all protesters look like Code Pink.
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:57:11am |
re: #424 VioletTiger
My favorite complaint is where Boxer and Gibbs complain that the protesters are too well dressed to be 'real'. I guess they think all protesters look like Code Pink.
The left just cannot believe we won't swallow whole their government pills.
It doesn't even matter what the crowds do or say.
Then came the Democratic Party charge that the people at the meetings were suspiciously well-dressed, in jackets and ties from Brooks Brothers. They must be Republican rent-a-mobs. Sen. Barbara Boxer said on MSNBC’s “Hardball” that people are “storming these town hall meetings,” that they were “well dressed”, that “this is all organized,” “all planned,” to “hurt our president.” Here she was projecting. For normal people, it’s not all about Barack Obama.
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elevenbravo1969 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:57:18am |
I was at the Mike Thompson town hall Monday night at the 1st Methodist Church in Napa, CA.
I will never forget that 'I-just-shit-my-pants' look on his face.
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nonic Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:57:41am |
re: #416 SixDegrees
This ridiculous, contorted non-starter has already been addressed, above.
"Ridiculous?" How can a link to the Constitution be "ridiculous"?
I am not interested in or arguing about whether there is or should be a "wall of separation between church and state." (In my opinion, there should be, and I'm glad the US observes such a separation.)
And I don't know anything about Pat Robertson. I have never listened to him or read anything he has written.
I am MERELY pointing out a fact. A lot of people who spout this and that about the Constitution really ought to look it over. It's not that long, and not hard to understand [Link: www.house.gov...]
Ford the "annotated Constitution" -- that is, with explanation of U.S. Supreme Court decisions that have interpreted various matters, see [Link: www.gpoaccess.gov...]
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:58:29am |
re: #438 nonic
"Ridiculous?" How can a link to the Constitution be "ridiculous"?
I am not interested in or arguing about whether there is or should be a "wall of separation between church and state." (In my opinion, there should be, and I'm glad the US observes such a separation.)
And I don't know anything about Pat Robertson. I have never listened to him or read anything he has written.
I am MERELY pointing out a fact. A lot of people who spout this and that about the Constitution really ought to look it over. It's not that long, and not hard to understand [Link: www.house.gov...]
Ford the "annotated Constitution" -- that is, with explanation of U.S. Supreme Court decisions that have interpreted various matters, see [Link: www.gpoaccess.gov...]
Already dismissed, above.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:59:49am |
A quarter of a million people lost their jobs last month.
Hurray! That's wonderful news!
/
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:59:58am |
re: #422 FrogMarch
I think Obama and the Dems (and the MSM) have really mis-read the last election and are clearly over reaching.
People voted for a change, but not the change Obama had in mind. We are still a center right country and don't believe in big government.
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:00:03am |
re: #437 elevenbravo1969
I was at the Mike Thompson town hall Monday night at the 1st Methodist Church in Napa, CA.
I will never forget that 'I-just-shit-my-pants' look on his face.
Good Morning! Are you a napa resident?
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:00:12am |
Our government is "mocking and menacing concerned citizens"
Does anyone remember this happening under any administration? ever?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:00:37am |
re: #428 FrogMarch
Good point. Saw the same thing here when there were pro and anti-coalition protests up here in Canada back in December. The pro group had BOXES of pre printed signs advocating for an NDP/Liberal/Bloc coalition. Stuck around and saw all sorts of union flags. Took pictures and video. Went to the anti-coalition rally, nothing but hand drawn signs. Oh, and lots of Canadian flags. Very few of those at the other rally.
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MikeAlv77 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:02:34am |
re: #434 apachegunner
the race card will forever be played, if you had it wouldn't you?
To be honest, no I wouldn't. I am a minority and I hate it when people play the card. it shows a weakness of character.
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elevenbravo1969 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:02:58am |
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:03:28am |
re: #430 Mad Al-Jaffee
I have fond memories of watching Sixteen Candles when I was 13 or 14 and seeing that shower scene. ;)
Yep. And...
"Look Fred, she's gotten her boobies!"
"Relax, would you? We have seventy dollars and a pair of girls underpants. We're safe as kittens."
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:03:34am |
re: #444 BlueCanuck
Good point. Saw the same thing here when there were pro and anti-coalition protests up here in Canada back in December. The pro group had BOXES of pre printed signs advocating for an NDP/Liberal/Bloc coalition. Stuck around and saw all sorts of union flags. Took pictures and video. Went to the anti-coalition rally, nothing but hand drawn signs. Oh, and lots of Canadian flags. Very few of those at the other rally.
In one of the videos it looked like they were letting the ACORN workers in. The people were calling them ACORN workers and they all had blue t-shirts on. It would be interesting to find out if they were. They let the "organized" ACORN workers in but not the "organized" protesters in.
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njdhockeyfan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:03:47am |
re: #440 SixDegrees
A quarter of a million people lost their jobs last month.
Hurray! That's wonderful news!
/
Can you picture O's State of the Union speech next year?
"The State of the Union is great. We have kept unemployment under 30% and have created or saved 105,000 jobs."
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:03:51am |
re: #446 elevenbravo1969
At the risk of revealing my location to the White House Goon Squad...
yes.
I grew up in the Valley...Just south of Yountville...
Nice meeting you
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:04:10am |
re: #436 FrogMarch
I sometimes cannot discern if they are truly this deluded/in denial or are just evil bastards. It's a toss up.
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:04:13am |
re: #447 Spenser (with an S)
Yep. And...
"Look Fred, she's gotten her boobies!"
"Relax, would you? We have seventy dollars and a pair of girls underpants. We're safe as kittens."
automobile?
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quiet man Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:04:33am |
And people still want to pretend Obama isnt out there for the kill
White House to Democrats: 'Punch back twice as hard'
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:05:09am |
re: #445 MikeAlv77
To be honest, no I wouldn't. I am a minority and I hate it when people play the card. it shows a weakness of character.
your a good man mike
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:05:40am |
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:06:25am |
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elevenbravo1969 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:07:12am |
re: #450 HoosierHoops
I'm just south of Yountville also. Beautiful spot. Hope to matriculate at the Vet's Home here when my diabetes fells me.
Nice meeting you too.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:07:23am |
re: #451 VioletTiger
I sometimes cannot discern if they are truly this deluded/in denial or are just evil bastards. It's a toss up.
Yeah. It smells of desperation to me. Or are the progressives at the helm so steeped in Saul Alinsky, we are just getting our first big taste? Or as Mandy would say - maybe they really are commie bastards.
It's looking that way.
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:07:27am |
re: #457 apachegunner
hey hoopster
hey Gunner... My last day to wreck the boat on the lake.
How are you today?
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:07:31am |
"Where's your other hand?"
"Between two pillows"
"Those aren't pillows!"
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:08:31am |
re: #453 quiet man
And people still want to pretend Obama isnt out there for the kill
White House to Democrats: 'Punch back twice as hard'
[Link: www.politico.com...]
[Video]
The left treat us like the country is a big football game - and THEY HAVE TO WIN.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:08:41am |
re: #460 HoosierHoops
hey Gunner... My last day to wreck the boat on the lake.
How are you today?
good, as I hope you are also, keep your feet dry and the boat will be fine!
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:08:47am |
One week until It Might Get Loud Opens...
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:08:51am |
re: #459 FrogMarch
Yeah. It smells of desperation to me. Or are the progressives at the helm so steeped in Saul Alinsky, we are just getting our first big taste? Or as Mandy would say - maybe they really are commie bastards.
It's looking that way.
I'm leaning toward the evil commie bastard thing.
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njdhockeyfan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:09:46am |
...The Congressional Budget Office’s mid-July “score” of the main House health-care bill puts the price tag at about $1 trillion over the next decade; the Blue Dog Democrats managed to shave off only about $100 billion. But ten-year budgets, as even the CBO has warned in the past, are not reliable for assessing entitlement programs. Most of the spending in the House plan is phased in over several years, making the ten-year cost look deceptively small. Extending the budget window by just three years doubles the program’s cost to over $2 trillion.And that’s just a start. The most comprehensive view of a program’s projected shortfall comes from calculating the present value of all of its future outlays and subtracting any new revenue sources. The House plan has a present-value shortfall of $13.6 trillion. That’s the amount of additional money that must be set aside, in today’s dollars, to put this program on a sustainable course. This estimate optimistically assumes that health-care costs will eventually grow with the general inflation rate (they’re currently growing much faster).
This enormous shortfall is equal to about 1.6 percent of all future projected GDP, or 3.5 percent of all future payrolls subject to Social Security taxes. From those numbers, this additional burden might actually seem manageable. But President Obama promised that he would raise taxes only on those in “rich” households.
That’s where the arithmetic gets especially interesting. Funding the new health-care plan on the backs of households making $200,000 or more per year would require permanently increasing their annual total tax payments by about 50 percent. So, for example, a household that currently pays $50,000 in federal income taxes would need to pay another $25,000. Remember, however, that Social Security and Medicare already face enormous shortfalls. Shoring up these programs — another Obama campaign promise — would require collecting 328 percent more tax revenue from the rich. No, we didn’t forget a decimal point: That is three hundred and twenty-eight percent.
Most households making between $200,000 and $500,000 per year would not have enough money to pay their federal, state, and local tax bills, much less eat. Rich households in California or New York would not be able to pay their tax bills regardless of their incomes. And a family of four living in a low-tax state (South Dakota) would need to gross almost $900,000 per year to have enough income left over to reach the poverty line. In fact, there is no mathematical configuration of taxes on the current rich alone — including additional levies on the “super-rich” making more than $1 million per year — that is compatible with putting the nation’s entitlement programs and the new health-care plan on a sustainable course.
U.S. federal income taxes are already very progressive. The top 10 percent of income earners pay the majority of federal income taxes. The top 1 percent of income earners pay a quarter of all taxes.
But can’t we expect the rich to pay even more? Maybe for a few years — but not without disastrous consequences to America’s future.
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:09:59am |
re: #458 elevenbravo1969
I'm just south of Yountville also. Beautiful spot. Hope to matriculate at the Vet's Home here when my diabetes fells me.
Nice meeting you too.
That is so cool...I miss home..Plus I miss Perry's Deli on 3rd street in Napa...
I miss the turkey! LOL
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:10:16am |
re: #461 Spenser (with an S)
"Where's your other hand?"
"Between two pillows"
"Those aren't pillows!"
One of my favorite movie lines that goes through my head at work when talking to some people..."the next time you tell a story, have a point...it makes is so much more interesting for the listener"...it could apply to some posters as well.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:12:27am |
re: #466 njdhockeyfan
It's the same sort of Bizarro World accounting being peddled about the Cash for Clunkers program.
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elevenbravo1969 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:14:18am |
re: #467 HoosierHoops
I think Perry's might be gone. I'm on 3rd St. a lot and I don't remember seeing it. I've only been here about 4 years though...
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:15:51am |
re: #470 elevenbravo1969
I think Perry's might be gone. I'm on 3rd St. a lot and I don't remember seeing it. I've only been here about 4 years though...
Nooo! So how many knots go into a noose?
Dang it!
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DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:16:16am |
re: #434 apachegunner
the race card will forever be played, if you had it wouldn't you?
By 2050 I will be a minority. Somehow I doubt that playing the race card will have the same effect by then.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:16:24am |
The man targeted in a revenge attack by four women who say he's a philanderer has faced numerous criminal and civil actions that claim he has acted violently against children and women.
Donessa T. Davis, who turns 37 next week, has been jailed in Fond du Lac County, where he will be charged this week with crimes related to child abuse and harassment. Fond du Lac police Capt. Steven Klein said Davis was arrested Tuesday on allegations of child abuse, theft, unlawful phone use and harassment with a death threat in a domestic abuse investigation.
/not having a good week
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:16:27am |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:16:46am |
Bumper sticker on Mini-van :
Mobsters coming through.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:17:10am |
re: #472 DaddyG
By 2050 I will be a minority. Somehow I doubt that playing the race card will have the same effect by then.
in 2050 the same people will be playing the race card as they are now
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:18:49am |
re: #444 BlueCanuck
Good point. Saw the same thing here when there were pro and anti-coalition protests up here in Canada back in December. The pro group had BOXES of pre printed signs advocating for an NDP/Liberal/Bloc coalition. Stuck around and saw all sorts of union flags. Took pictures and video. Went to the anti-coalition rally, nothing but hand drawn signs. Oh, and lots of Canadian flags. Very few of those at the other rally.
IowaHawk points it out:
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quiet man Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:19:31am |
re: #462 FrogMarch
The left is treating people like enemies...and with true contempt.
It is the people who need to strike back twice as hard now.
(Not violently, just stepped up communication)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:20:03am |
re: #449 njdhockeyfan
Can you picture O's State of the Union speech next year?
"The State of the Union is great. We have kept unemployment under 30% and have created or saved 105,000 jobs."
I keep on imagining it being like the scene in Idiocracy where president Commancho addresses congress. I wish I could like the YouTube clip, but I can't at work.
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:20:50am |
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MikeAlv77 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:21:34am |
re: #454 apachegunner
your a good man mike
but if it would help me get a cute girl...
Wher eis Mandy and the WHACK BAT?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:21:39am |
re: #456 Charpete67
...Helen, there's a chinaman on our lawn
The good old days of poiltically incorrect comedies, where they could show boobs and still get a PG rating!
I can't imagine a character like "Long Duck Dong" in a movie today.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:21:46am |
Half the country didn't vote for this hopey changey [expletive deleted].
/LLLs can't seem to grasp this concept
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:22:13am |
re: #480 HoosierHoops
Morning {Hoosier}. Had your cup of coffee yet?
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DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:22:25am |
re: #471 HoosierHoops
Nooo! So how many knots go into a noose?
Dang it!
Use a slip knot. Stilll cathartic but less messy. Just know what you are doing or you could end up like a sad over the hill martial arts actor who will remain unnamed. Got that, Grasshopper?
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:22:49am |
Just saw an interview with an AARP representative. The disrespect these people have for people 20-30 years their senior who pay them is almost fascinating. Yeah, just keep sending those invitations to join you morons.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:24:18am |
re: #486 legalpad
Just saw an interview with an AARP representative. The disrespect these people have for people 20-30 years their senior who pay them is almost fascinating. Yeah, just keep sending those invitations to join you morons.
On Fox? Megyn nailed him.
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:24:47am |
re: #484 midwestgak
Morning {Hoosier}. Had your cup of coffee yet?
{Gak} Good seeing you...
Getting ready to head out on the lake...
How is your day?
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y0kkles Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:25:01am |
1. Technically Pat is right.
2. People living in early America were more concerned about the State telling the Church what to do rather than the other way around.
3. Separation of Church and State doesn't mean that the morality one derives from his or her religion shouldn't be allowed to shape their opinion on public affairs. Founders were more concerned with one religion becoming the state religion and people of other religions being persecuted (like what had been happening in Europe for a few hundred years).
4. A Manger seen at a city hall doesn't prevent a Muslim or Hindu from being a Muslim or a Hindu.
5. Freedom of religion has turned into freedom from religion.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:25:04am |
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:25:12am |
There is no such thing as Pat Robertson. It is a lie and we are not going to take it anymore.
— Me.
/I wish
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:25:13am |
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:25:37am |
Very sad that the SEIU thugs are out at Town Halls at the beck and call of the Community Organizre in Chief.
Belittling and ridiculing your opposition into submission is one of the Rules for Radicals that the president of the US is well trained in...
As far as I am oncerend, he is just another Sharpton and Jackson... Unfortunately, he's also the president.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:25:43am |
Back from walking the three dogs. Only saw a baby rabbit and a chipmunk this morning. Doesn't look like the bears did any damage to the Friday morning trash bins. Clear, sunny 59 degrees here.
Busy weekend coming up. New show is taking off, so crowds are picking up, reviewers are coming and the temps down below in the Golden/Denver area to be pushing 95 plus.
Good morning.
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:26:28am |
re: #488 HoosierHoops
{Gak} Good seeing you...
Getting ready to head out on the lake...
How is your day?
That lake is going to be sad when you leave.
I'm about to run out and do some errands, before it rains.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:26:40am |
I dreamed my wife's dog was bit by a rattlesnake.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:27:09am |
The early dawn greets Los Angeles. Some low clouds down on the flats. Towercam, Pacific time zone.
No theocracies, Mr. Robertson.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:27:36am |
re: #489 y0kkles
1. Technically Pat is right.
2. People living in early America were more concerned about the State telling the Church what to do rather than the other way around.
3. Separation of Church and State doesn't mean that the morality one derives from his or her religion shouldn't be allowed to shape their opinion on public affairs. Founders were more concerned with one religion becoming the state religion and people of other religions being persecuted (like what had been happening in Europe for a few hundred years).
4. A Manger seen at a city hall doesn't prevent a Muslim or Hindu from being a Muslim or a Hindu.
5. Freedom of religion has turned into freedom from religion.
The freedom FROM religion is in the religion clause of the First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
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jill e Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:27:36am |
Chris Mattews compares Palin to a white character in Harper Lee's To Kill a Mocking Bird who falsely accuses a black man of raping her, leading to his conviction by a racist jury. Matthews:
Here`s a quote that really grabbed me: "That same rage was on display again in the fall of 2008, but this time the frenzy was stimulated by a pretty gal with a mocking little wink. Sarah Palin may not have realized what she was doing. But southerners, weaned on Harper Lee, heard the dog whistle." Kathleen, "heard the dog whistle." Is Sarah Palin a poster girl for racism? Yes or no?
[Kathleen] Parker [Washington Post] suggested that Palin is indeed a "poster girl for racism," though "not consciously," and alluded to white racism being incited by a white woman and black man being pitted against each other, as in Sarah Palin versus Barack Obama, or in the novel To Kill a Mockingbird.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:28:27am |
My computer's acting funny so instead of shooting it, I'm gonna' reboot. bbiab
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:29:16am |
re: #499 jill e
Chris Mattews compares Palin to a white character in Harper Lee's To Kill a Mocking Bird who falsely accuses a black man of raping her, leading to his conviction by a racist jury. Matthews:
Here`s a quote that really grabbed me: "That same rage was on display again in the fall of 2008, but this time the frenzy was stimulated by a pretty gal with a mocking little wink. Sarah Palin may not have realized what she was doing. But southerners, weaned on Harper Lee, heard the dog whistle." Kathleen, "heard the dog whistle." Is Sarah Palin a poster girl for racism? Yes or no?
[Kathleen] Parker [Washington Post] suggested that Palin is indeed a "poster girl for racism," though "not consciously," and alluded to white racism being incited by a white woman and black man being pitted against each other, as in Sarah Palin versus Barack Obama, or in the novel To Kill a Mockingbird.
Matthews is a poster boy for an assclown
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avanti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:29:32am |
re: #440 SixDegrees
A quarter of a million people lost their jobs last month.
Hurray! That's wonderful news!
/
Good morning all. Yes, much lower expected number and the unemployment rate went down for the first time recently. We should get a big jump in the market on the positive news, maybe cross DOW 9300.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:29:33am |
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:29:39am |
I have a question re: all our new Czars brought up by my WWII reading; During that war, FDR had a team of "wise men" he relied on for their expertise in shipping, agriculture, etc.. Men who had made their way well in the world and now worked for $1/ yr. to help our country in its time of need. Are these czars men and women like that or are they academics who finally get a chance to make some serious money on the public dime. How much are we paying these jackasses?
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:29:58am |
Good Morning, Lizards
News Note: Taliban Commander killed by CIA Drone in Pakistan. This is VERY good news.
Link: [Link: www.comcast.net...]
Question #1: Didn't I hear yesterday that the "War on terrorism" is over?
Question #2: Is this another lie from the current administration?
Discuss
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:30:18am |
re: #501 SixDegrees
Technically, Pat is a bigoted asshole.
I thought he was dead.
I was going to say the same thing about Chis Matthews.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:30:20am |
re: #503 avanti
Good morning all. Yes, much lower expected number and the unemployment rate went down for the first time recently. We should get a big jump in the market on the positive news, maybe cross DOW 9300.
Let's wait for it to be the case a few months in a row before we all get on our knees to the great One.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:31:38am |
re: #506 _RememberTonyC
Good Morning, Lizards
News Note: Taliban Commander killed by CIA Drone in Pakistan. This is VERY good news.
Link: [Link: www.comcast.net...]Question #1: Didn't I hear yesterday that the "War on terrorism" is over?
Question #2: Is this another lie from the current administration?
Discuss
No, you heard that the term "war on terrorism" was retired and for now on the Newspeak phrase will be "war against Al-Queda."
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:31:45am |
re: #483 Killian Bundy
Half the country didn't vote for this hopey changey [expletive deleted].
/LLLs can't seem to grasp this concept
The dirty little secret is that there are people on the left who do not want government run health care. Granted, most do. It's the cherry on top of the progressive shit cake. But there are those on the left who are against it. Add that to the majority of conservatives and moderates who do not want it- and bam - I would stake large sums of money (and I do beleive the polls back it up) that those who want government run health care are a true minority.
No matter- the dems are sharpening their rhetoric and going after the buzz words the sheeple like.
Buzz word prep work:
Senior White House adviser David Axelrod and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina told senators to focus on the insured and how they would benefit from “consumer protections" in the overhaul, such as ending the practice of denying insurance based on preexisting conditions and ensuring the continuity of coverage between jobs.
They showed video clips of the confrontational town halls that have dominated the media coverage, and told senators to do more prep work than usual for their public meetings by making sure their own supporters turn out, senators and aides said.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:31:48am |
re: #506 _RememberTonyC
Re N.2, all for domestic political consumption to edify the ignorant.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:31:59am |
re: #503 avanti
Good morning all. Yes, much lower expected number and the unemployment rate went down for the first time recently. We should get a big jump in the market on the positive news, maybe cross DOW 9300.
I'm sure the quarter million newly unemployed will rush out and celebrate their good fortune by investing in the stock market.
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:32:18am |
re: #494 Walter L. Newton
Back from walking the three dogs. Only saw a baby rabbit and a chipmunk this morning. Doesn't look like the bears did any damage to the Friday morning trash bins. Clear, sunny 59 degrees here.
Busy weekend coming up. New show is taking off, so crowds are picking up, reviewers are coming and the temps down below in the Golden/Denver area to be pushing 95 plus.
Good morning.
Good luck with your show Walter.
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:32:42am |
re: #497 Ojoe
No theocracies, Mr. Robertson.
I disagree with the man a lot, but he would agree with you on that. Pat Buchanan is the one who said something like what you're saying recently.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:33:21am |
"Consumer protections" - watch for that buzz word to ooze out of the DNC media and the DNC itself.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:34:06am |
Hey Morning Lizards! It's overcast, a little wet at times and overall a wonderfully cool morning in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.
Pat Robertson was a theocracy, in which, he is his version of the Pope.
How are you-all and what are we talking about?
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quiet man Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:34:21am |
anyone see this??
OBAMA: 'I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess'...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:34:33am |
re: #501 SixDegrees
Technically, Pat is a bigoted asshole.
I said something similar, but I like your version better.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:35:31am |
re: #516 ggt
Hey Morning Lizards! It's overcast, a little wet at times and overall a wonderfully cool morning in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.
Pat Robertson
waswants a theocracy, in which, he is his version of the Pope.How are you-all and what are we talking about?
PiMF --too early in the morning -just started my first cuppa. My apoligizes.
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avanti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:35:33am |
re: #508 tfc3rid
Let's wait for it to be the case a few months in a row before we all get on our knees to the great One.
The POTUS does not control the economy, although his policies can help or hurt a bit. I like good news on the economy, but you can still not dislike the POTUS if the recession ends.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:36:05am |
re: #509 Walter L. Newton
No, you heard that the term "war on terrorism" was retired and for now on the Newspeak phrase will be "war against Al-Queda."
is that because the administration thinks al qaeda is the only terrorist organization in the world? I swear, these people are the dumbest "smart guys" I've ever seen.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:36:58am |
re: #511 Ojoe
Re N.2, all for domestic political consumption to edify the ignorant.
edifying the ignorant ... is that the same as herding sheep?
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:37:01am |
Good morning everyone, and happy Friday.
Robertson is a kook. Sorry, I'm not buying the BS about these people in those town hall meetings being plants or unruly angry brown shirted mobs. These people look like average Joes who are friggin fed up and finally letting their Representatives know about it. The friggin dems can't take their own medicine.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:37:09am |
re: #478 quiet man
The left is treating people like enemies...and with true contempt.
It is the people who need to strike back twice as hard now.
(Not violently, just stepped up communication)
Free speech is only for uber-progs.
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:37:30am |
re: #518 quiet man
anyone see this??
OBAMA: 'I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess'...
No, where did you get that?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:37:35am |
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:37:54am |
re: #503 avanti
Good morning all. Yes, much lower expected number and the unemployment rate went down for the first time recently. We should get a big jump in the market on the positive news, maybe cross DOW 9300.
Skewed numbers can prove anything. And, I'm sure that those 250,000 people that lost their jobs are excited about the possibility of the DOW going back up.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:38:27am |
[Link: www.roanoke.com...]
I just read the whole thing and the soundbite is merely another Obama "I inherited this!" lie
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:38:51am |
re: #499 jill e
Chris Mattews compares Palin to a white character in Harper Lee's To Kill a Mocking Bird who falsely accuses a black man of raping her, leading to his conviction by a racist jury. Matthews:
Here`s a quote that really grabbed me: "That same rage was on display again in the fall of 2008, but this time the frenzy was stimulated by a pretty gal with a mocking little wink. Sarah Palin may not have realized what she was doing. But southerners, weaned on Harper Lee, heard the dog whistle." Kathleen, "heard the dog whistle." Is Sarah Palin a poster girl for racism? Yes or no?
[Kathleen] Parker [Washington Post] suggested that Palin is indeed a "poster girl for racism," though "not consciously," and alluded to white racism being incited by a white woman and black man being pitted against each other, as in Sarah Palin versus Barack Obama, or in the novel To Kill a Mockingbird.
She doesn't send a tingle down Matthews' leg.
Parker? She's gone over to progressives. I'm done with her.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:38:51am |
re: #512 SixDegrees
I'm sure the quarter million newly unemployed will rush out and celebrate their good fortune by investing in the stock market.
And there is not a single good reason behind the numbers. It's like saying only less people died of an out of control epidemic last month than the month before. The problem hasn't gone away at all. If you read a little further into the stats, nothing has really changed and the same factors that have caused the problems are still in full force and out of control... from CNN...
---
The number of people unemployed for more than six months continued to rise, reaching nearly 5 million people, a record high. The average time that an unemployed person has been out of work reached 25.1 weeks, the highest reading in the 61 years that this has been tracked by the Labor Department.
The Labor Department also said that one reason for the declining number of job losses was because cuts had been so deep leading up to July that there were fewer workers to lay off during the seasonal shutdown that happens in some factories, such as those in the auto industry.
Since the start of 2008, 6.7 million jobs have been lost in the U.S.
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
---
The above paragraphs are normally the ones that the pundits never manage to get to when talking about this issue.
So, ANYONE putting a positive spin on this and saying this is good, in any way, is lying to you. Which seems to be the modus operandi of this administration.
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:38:59am |
I was polled again last night. They have gotten all three registered voters in my house now.
Questions ranged from the NJ gov race to the way Obama is doing his job, the economy. Quinipiac poll.
Bet they were surprised to talk to my daughter, a rare conservative teenager. And she came to that conclusion all on her own.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:39:02am |
re: #521 avanti
The POTUS does not control the economy, although his policies can help or hurt a bit. I like good news on the economy, but you can still not dislike the POTUS if the recession ends.
Doctor: The good news is that the bleeding has slowed down. The bad news is that you are almost out of blood.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:39:25am |
re: #518 quiet man
anyone see this??
OBAMA: 'I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess'...
We won, so half the country's opinions don't matter.
/guess again
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:39:31am |
re: #487 MandyManners
On Fox? Megyn nailed him.
yummm, nice words Megan and nailed errr, did I just say that?
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:39:51am |
re: #525 FrogMarch
Free speech is only for uber-progs.
the videos remind me that "free speech" is not free
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:39:53am |
re: #505 Spenser (with an S)
I have a question re: all our new Czars brought up by my WWII reading; During that war, FDR had a team of "wise men" he relied on for their expertise in shipping, agriculture, etc.. Men who had made their way well in the world and now worked for $1/ yr. to help our country in its time of need. Are these czars men and women like that or are they academics who finally get a chance to make some serious money on the public dime. How much are we paying these jackasses?
Good question.
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avanti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:40:13am |
re: #512 SixDegrees
I'm sure the quarter million newly unemployed will rush out and celebrate their good fortune by investing in the stock market.
In fairness, the 700,000 monthly that lost their jobs the first part of year were in the same boat. It's not the end of the recession, but perhaps the beginning of the end as the rate approaches zero.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:40:21am |
re: #534 Killian Bundy
Exactly..Obama the uniter. The guy almost makes me yearn for the simple horror of Bill Clintons liberal presidency
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:40:35am |
re: #521 avanti
The POTUS does not control the economy, although his policies can help or hurt a bit. I like good news on the economy, but you can still not dislike the POTUS if the recession ends.
"you can still not dislike the POTUS if the recession ends?" I must be really dense, but that quote makes no sense to me. and the policies of the POTUS can help or hurt a lot. Witness the enormous deficit that my kids and grandkids will be forced to deal with as their taxes increase, thus lowering of their standard of living.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:42:15am |
re: #540 _RememberTonyC
Yeah but you should forget that and go back to sleep
love Obama now and later too!
/sarc
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jill e Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:42:23am |
re: #530 MandyManners
She doesn't send a tingle down Matthews' leg.
Parker? She's gone over to progressives. I'm done with her.
I think Matthews is starting to pee down his leg! Dementia has set in.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:42:28am |
re: #496 legalpad
I dreamed my wife's dog was bit by a rattlesnake.
Happened to a guy I know a few weeks ago. His yellow lab was bit right on the tongue. It was horrible and the dog almost died. Almost. I am happy to report, after much care by caring professionals, he made an 11th hour come-back. Great dog.
The snake was clobbered with a shovel and his skin is now a decorative band around the guys hat. True story.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:42:35am |
re: #531 Walter L. Newton
I can only agree. Things are "better" only because they're running out of people to fire.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:42:59am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:43:28am |
re: #539 quiet man
Exactly..Obama the uniter. The guy almost makes me yearn for the simple horror of Bill Clintons liberal presidency
Clinton loves America.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:43:46am |
re: #499 jill e
Parker is a skank and Matthews is a shill.
morning.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:43:46am |
If I knew Mr Lefty wouldn't key my SUV, I'd slap this baby on my rear window when we leave Sunday.
I suppose I could always just flip it upside down for rides through Blue country.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:43:50am |
re: #527 MandyManners
I wonder what Freud would say.
I hadn't thought of that. But I have been forced to love the dog. Wherever I am, sitting or sleeping, he seeks me out and lays down next to me.
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jill e Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:44:08am |
The 10 Stupidest Things Pat Robertson Ever Said
By Daniel Kurtzman, About.com
10) "Over 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that’s held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings." –Pat Robertson, on the dangers of judicial activism
9) "Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court." –Pat Robertson
8) "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson
7) "I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld
6) "(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson
5) "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson
4) "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there." --Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial
3) "God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'" --Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke
2) "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department
1) "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. -Pat Robertson, on assassinating Hugo Chavez
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:45:00am |
re: #546 MandyManners
Clinton loves America.
That sounds like a good title for a porn flick.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if it was one.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:45:24am |
re: #542 jill e
I think Matthews is starting to pee down his leg! Dementia has set in.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:45:59am |
re: #548 SasquatchOnSteroids
If I knew Mr Lefty wouldn't key my SUV, I'd slap this baby on my rear window when we leave Sunday.
I suppose I could always just flip it upside down for rides through Blue country.
I like this one: [Link: www.conservativeparadise.com...]
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:46:18am |
re: #518 quiet man
anyone see this??
OBAMA: 'I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess'...
Yes... I shouldn't be, but I was amazed that a President of the U.S. would just tell his detractors to shut up. It's pretty close to a violation of the 1st amendment.
| 555 |
Spider Mensch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:46:29am |
re: #499 jill e
Chris Mattews compares Palin to a white character in Harper Lee's To Kill a Mocking Bird who falsely accuses a black man of raping her, leading to his conviction by a racist jury. Matthews:
Here`s a quote that really grabbed me: "That same rage was on display again in the fall of 2008, but this time the frenzy was stimulated by a pretty gal with a mocking little wink. Sarah Palin may not have realized what she was doing. But southerners, weaned on Harper Lee, heard the dog whistle." Kathleen, "heard the dog whistle." Is Sarah Palin a poster girl for racism? Yes or no?
[Kathleen] Parker [Washington Post] suggested that Palin is indeed a "poster girl for racism," though "not consciously," and alluded to white racism being incited by a white woman and black man being pitted against each other, as in Sarah Palin versus Barack Obama, or in the novel To Kill a Mockingbird.
"hey obama, c'mer and bust up this chiffarobe..an i'll giv ya a nickel"
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:47:01am |
re: #538 avanti
In fairness, the 700,000 monthly that lost their jobs the first part of year were in the same boat. It's not the end of the recession, but perhaps the beginning of the end as the rate approaches zero.
No Avanti, as the CNN article explains, it's getting to the point that there is no one to "shoot" anymore.
"The Labor Department also said that one reason for the declining number of job losses was because cuts had been so deep leading up to July that there were fewer workers to lay off during the seasonal shutdown that happens in some factories, such as those in the auto industry."
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
BlueCanuk said it best above "Doctor: The good news is that the bleeding has slowed down. The bad news is that you are almost out of blood."
Spin away.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:47:07am |
re: #550 jill e
Pat is also a crook. He was in cahoots with Charles Taylor (Liberia) for years.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:47:32am |
re: #554 eschew_obfuscation
Obama doesn't get what this country is all about at all, at all.
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:47:41am |
re: #540 _RememberTonyC
re: #521 avanti
The POTUS does not control the economy, although his policies can help or hurt a bit. I like good news on the economy, but you can still not dislike the POTUS if the recession ends.
"you can still not dislike the POTUS if the recession ends?" I must be really dense, but that quote makes no sense to me. and the policies of the POTUS can help or hurt a lot. Witness the enormous deficit that my kids and grandkids will be forced to deal with as their taxes increase, thus lowering of their standard of living.
You are not the dense one here, the president can have a huge impact on the economy through a number of ways. They cannot stop the natural economic cycles, but they can swing them waaay up (Reagan) or waaay down (Obama).
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:47:51am |
re: #548 SasquatchOnSteroids
If I knew Mr Lefty wouldn't key my SUV, I'd slap this baby on my rear window when we leave Sunday.
I suppose I could always just flip it upside down for rides through Blue country.
Speaking of bumper stickers, I saw one in the shape of the flag with FCBBHO where the stars should be and the White House where the stripes should be this morning, on the car of a parent at The Kid's school, a conservative Christian academy. My jaw dropped so quickly that I almost wrecked.
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jill e Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:48:07am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:48:22am |
re: #549 legalpad
I hadn't thought of that. But I have been forced to love the dog. Wherever I am, sitting or sleeping, he seeks me out and lays down next to me.
What an honor!
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:48:24am |
re: #544 SixDegrees
I can only agree. Things are "better" only because they're running out of people to fire.
One of my neighbors just lost her job.
It's not over yet.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:48:35am |
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:48:57am |
re: #521 avanti
The POTUS does not control the economy, although his policies can help or hurt a bit. I like good news on the economy, but you can still not dislike the POTUS if the recession ends.
Hurt or help a bit? That's a wee bit of an understatement there. They can hurt a lot - as FDR's disastrous policies extended and deepened the Great Depression. Now, we've got Obama expanding the national deficit by leaps and bounds beyond anything ever before contemplated and you think that will have only a marginal effect?
The President ultimately signs or vetoes appropriations before him. The buck stops there.
He manages a financial team - and works in conjunction with the Fed to set monetary policy. Along with the Treasury Department (an Executive Branch Department), they set short term and long term goals and try to manage the value of the US Dollar, credit market availability, etc.
Ultimately, the President gets blamed rightly or wrongly for the state of the economy during their tenure in office.
Obama is owning this mess.
But then again, Obama claimed the $787 billion stimulus would create or save millions of jobs, and it's done nothing of the sort (unemployment rates are creeping closer to 10% nationally, even though Obama said they'd crest at 8.5% or thereabouts). So you have a point.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:49:16am |
re: #551 MrSilverDragon
That sounds like a good title for a porn flick.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if it was one.
*snicker*
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:49:20am |
re: #553 _RememberTonyC
I like this one: [Link: www.conservativeparadise.com...]
Too far out time wise. I need something in yer face NOW.
| 568 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:49:27am |
re: #557 wahabicorridor
Pat is also a crook. He was in cahoots with Charles Taylor (Liberia) for years.
Anyone who can put any "faith" in Pat Robertson is either mentally impaired or lying to themselves. This man has had his petard hosited more times then a drawbridge. He is a phony, thief and the worst kind of religionist.
| 569 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:49:50am |
re: #540 _RememberTonyC
Also, what was that link to a video you posted yesterday? I think you left, but I was very curious since it was linked to my Alma Mater, Calvin College and it showed as "forbidden". Was it good or bad?
| 570 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:49:58am |
re: #557 wahabicorridor
Pat is also a crook. He was in cahoots with Charles Taylor (Liberia) for years.
I'd forgotten about that.
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:50:38am |
re: #516 ggt
Hey Morning Lizards! It's overcast, a little wet at times and overall a wonderfully cool morning in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.
Morning {ggt}. Cloudy morning. Supposed to be a scorcher this weekend.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:50:56am |
re: #562 MandyManners
What an honor!
Yep. I helped him out when a big collie attacked him. Headlocked the collie as he tried to shake our dog to death, waiting for the collies stupid owner to get him off.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:51:03am |
re: #565 lawhawk
Also: Obama made pessimistic statements about the financial meltdown early on, and as there is a HUGE psychological component to the mess we are in, he's quite responsible for a good part of it.
How. Very. Sad.™
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:51:49am |
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:52:20am |
re: #556 Walter L. Newton
There's also the fact that even though the weekly unemployment figures released were down from the prior week, we keep seeing revisions of the prior week figures upwards - significantly so in some cases.
But as you say, when employers have already cut to the bone to cull workers, there isn't much left. The best thing to be said is that there are likely fewer bankruptcy situations forcing workers out wholesale, but the job losses keep piling up and there's no sign of a turnaround because demand remains low.
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:52:24am |
re: #574 legalpad
Yep. I helped him out when a big collie attacked him. Headlocked the collie as he tried to shake our dog to death, waiting for the collies stupid owner to get him off.
What breed of dog is it?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:52:25am |
re: #574 legalpad
Yep. I helped him out when a big collie attacked him. Headlocked the collie as he tried to shake our dog to death, waiting for the collies stupid owner to get him off.
A collie? Lassie with P.M.S.?
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:52:38am |
re: #539 quiet man
Exactly..Obama the uniter. The guy almost makes me yearn for the simple horror of Bill Clintons liberal presidency
Yes, the hated BC, in my mind anyway, now seems like a much better president that he did during his presidency. I wonder if Hill and Bill look at the nobama american takeover and truly support it or are they a little nervous of the current situation.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:53:08am |
re: #567 SasquatchOnSteroids
Too far out time wise. I need something in yer face NOW.
I saw that one on a big ass BMW SUV a few weeks ago, but it just had the date (not the hope for change line) ... I pulled up next to the guy and gave him the big "thumbs up."
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:53:25am |
re: #542 jill e
I think Matthews is starting to pee down his leg! Dementia has set in.
I'd like to pee down his leg or better yet in his face!
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:53:33am |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:54:25am |
re: #569 Spenser (with an S)
Also, what was that link to a video you posted yesterday? I think you left, but I was very curious since it was linked to my Alma Mater, Calvin College and it showed as "forbidden". Was it good or bad?
it was a response to pelosi's swasticka comment ... I said she was confused and it was a link to a nuremberg rally with hitler and lots of swastickas.
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avanti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:54:28am |
OK, just dropped in to see if anyone liked the good news on the economy before heading out to the casino. I respect the Lizards opinions, but I'll admit I'm a hope and change guy that is not as pessimistic as some others. It's a nice day, and I'm off, see you all tomorrow, play nice.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:54:30am |
I watched the last part of the C-SPAN broadcast of the Urban League's Panel on Race Relations. Overall, it was very interesting. I found the panelists concerned with the same issues and, for the most part, on the same side of those issues as I was. The difference is that they talked about the problem by blaming it on racism --I think it's more of a socialist/capitalist issue. They framed the issues around a desire for the "white" establishment to hold power. I agree, it's a power issue--but I think we will let those who want the power to have it if we zero in on only one aspect--or group of those seeking power.
The Pat Robertsons of the world, certainly don't help. At one point, a panelist even mentioned Glenn Beck, and I couldn't disagree.
The same panelist, a natural speaker, said somethings that were worth passing on. This part starts about 47:29 on the video slider at the bottom.
One of his statements I thought was, perhaps, a freudian slip regarding Obama: "he is not MLK, he is LBJ"
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:54:36am |
Yep, Mr. Sunshine trying to convince us all that the misery of it all is great news.
Whoopee, let's have a party.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:55:00am |
re: #503 avanti
Good morning all. Yes, much lower expected number and the unemployment rate went down for the first time recently. We should get a big jump in the market on the positive news, maybe cross DOW 9300.
Please go to Detroit and say that in front of a big crowd of unemployed automotive industry workers (UAW and white collar). I double dog dare ya. Especially keep repeating it to older white-collar workers who have exhausted their unemployment benefits and have almost no chance of finding another job.
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:55:25am |
re: #583 legalpad
Very loyal dogs from what I can tell, never had one though.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:55:35am |
re: #577 lawhawk
There's also the fact that even though the weekly unemployment figures released were down from the prior week, we keep seeing revisions of the prior week figures upwards - significantly so in some cases.
I think another factor is that more people are falling into the 'shadow unemployment' box - no longer bothering to look, no longer counted.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:55:36am |
re: #577 lawhawk
There's also the fact that even though the weekly unemployment figures released were down from the prior week, we keep seeing revisions of the prior week figures upwards - significantly so in some cases.
But as you say, when employers have already cut to the bone to cull workers, there isn't much left. The best thing to be said is that there are likely fewer bankruptcy situations forcing workers out wholesale, but the job losses keep piling up and there's no sign of a turnaround because demand remains low.
So right. And I tried to find more detailed stats on where the job cuts were or weren't. This is summer, there are a lot of seasonal jobs that get filled, or don't get cut.
No, this is not really "good" news, and I can be certain that the details would point out that the patient is not getting better.
But the spin will continue.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:55:39am |
re: #579 MandyManners
A collie? Lassie with P.M.S.?
A large male named Milo. The owner said, "Oh, he likes little dogs!" The morons were ignoring the leash law here. Our dogs were on leashes. The man thanked me for my restraint afterwards.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:55:41am |
re: #573 midwestgak
I know, I am not looking forward to the hot weather!
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DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:55:43am |
What did that first amendment say again?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Let's ask the founders and framers of the Constitution what they meant...
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties." (Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists - January 1 1802)
"Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform" (James Madison summary of the 1st Amendment - Annals of Congress, Sat Aug 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731).
Pat Robertson would undermine the very protections that allow him to worship by the dictates of his own conscience.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:57:20am |
I'm gonna' repost my No. 218 just in case anyone has not heard of Patrick Gaspard, FCBBHO's political director.
re: #203 opnion
Good Morning. Just got up in a hotel room & the coffeee is perking.
Oh this jet set life!
I hacv e Morning Joe on. The White House is correct there are angry mobs at the Town Halls & they sent them. SEIU thugs are activated to intimidate &/or keep people out. The White House is saying 'hit back twice as hard" & they did. The Union bully boys roughed up an elderly man outside of one of them.
Prior to his work with Obama, Gaspard was the executive vice president of politics and legislation for Local 1199 SEIU United Healthcare Workers East. In his role as VP, Gaspard led the union's legislative efforts in Albany, Annapolis, Boston and Washington, DC and coordinated the volunteer efforts that sent hundreds of union members to Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and other primary election states to campaign for Obama. He also led SEIU's lobbying efforts on the federal State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 2007. In 2006, Gaspard served as SEIU's acting political director.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:57:24am |
re: #586 avanti
OK, just dropped in to see if anyone liked the good news on the economy before heading out to the casino. I respect the Lizards opinions, but I'll admit I'm a hope and change guy that is not as pessimistic as some others. It's a nice day, and I'm off, see you all tomorrow, play nice.
Thanks for stopping in. Seems like most of the Lizards are sort of facts and figures guys and gals who are not as unrealistic as some others.
Have fun.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:58:32am |
re: #593 legalpad
A large male named Milo. The owner said, "Oh, he likes little dogs!" The morons were ignoring the leash law here. Our dogs were on leashes. The man thanked me for my restraint afterwards.
I might've shot back: What? For snacks?
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wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:59:04am |
re: #590 turn
Very loyal dogs from what I can tell, never had one though.
They are little lions. The Fat Beagle is very aloof. She basically just tolerates most other dogs. Except for Queso, the chihauhau down the street. He was 8 weeks old when they brought him home and the Fat Beagle fell in love. He's about 3 now and she still rolls over on her back and lets him pull her ears, etc. Totally smitten.
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DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:00:17am |
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:01:31am |
re: #593 legalpad
A large male named Milo. The owner said, "Oh, he likes little dogs!" The morons were ignoring the leash law here. Our dogs were on leashes. The man thanked me for my restraint afterwards.
I took down my neighbor's great dane that attacked my Lhasa Apso one time. My friggin neighbor just stood there and watched the whole thing go down, way too slow to act. Willie ended up getting quite a few stitches. My fault, I didn't completely close the gate between our yards and Willie snuck in.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:01:31am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:01:46am |
re: #579 MandyManners
A collie? Lassie with P.M.S.?
Collies are not the dog they used to be. Over-breeding because of past popularity and the desire to "increase" the size of the dog. For some, reason, people want "big" dogs. I've seen collies a good 3-4 inches above breed standard, not good for the dog.
I am not suprised one attacked your dog. This is what happens --especially when bad bred dog is put into a household that isn't expecting such a dog.
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:01:46am |
re: #589 Alouette
re: #503 avanti
Good morning all. Yes, much lower expected number and the unemployment rate went down for the first time recently. We should get a big jump in the market on the positive news, maybe cross DOW 9300.
Please go to Detroit and say that in front of a big crowd of unemployed automotive industry workers (UAW and white collar). I double dog dare ya. Especially keep repeating it to older white-collar workers who have exhausted their unemployment benefits and have almost no chance of finding another job.
Amen! I would love to see that. I'm the other side of the state which is a little better off, unemployment-wise but still ugly. You are right about the age group thing too. I was out of work completely for 6 mos. (currently under-employed but I'm thankful) but I'm about 40. The people in their 50's are spending up to 18mos. searching.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:02:21am |
re: #599 MandyManners
I might've shot back: What? For snacks?
I was too busy restraining myself to be clever. I was armed, though he didn't know that, and instead of restraining his dog, he was reaching toward our other dog, in hopes to get him to bite him so he could counter-sue. As it was, nobody sued, he just paid the vet bill.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:02:41am |
re: #564 wahabicorridor
Best bumper sticker I ever saw.
"I neutered my cat. Now he's a liberal"
I like that one. But my dogs were neutered and are still strong on defense.
BTW, I've seen the 1.20.12 sticker in Massachusetts!
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:03:32am |
re: #604 ggt
Collies are not the dog they used to be. Over-breeding because of past popularity and the desire to "increase" the size of the dog. For some, reason, people want "big" dogs. I've seen collies a good 3-4 inches above breed standard, not good for the dog.
I am not suprised one attacked your dog. This is what happens --especially when bad bred dog is put into a household that isn't expecting such a dog.
It was Legalpad's dog. Well, his wife's dog.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:03:40am |
re: #602 turn
I took down my neighbor's great dane that attacked my Lhasa Apso one time. My friggin neighbor just stood there and watched the whole thing go down, way too slow to act. Willie ended up getting quite a few stitches. My fault, I didn't completely close the gate between our yards and Willie snuck in.
Why do people just stand there? It's so weird.
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Mich-again Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:04:29am |
re: #565 lawhawk
Now, we've got Obama expanding the national deficit by leaps and bounds beyond anything ever before contemplated and you think that will have only a marginal effect?
Which graph has a steeper slope. The national debt or the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:04:38am |
www.americanthinker.com...]>What's going on here?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:04:54am |
re: #606 legalpad
I was too busy restraining myself to be clever. I was armed, though he didn't know that, and instead of restraining his dog, he was reaching toward our other dog, in hopes to get him to bite him so he could counter-sue. As it was, nobody sued, he just paid the vet bill.
I'd love to see that suit in front of Judge Milian.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:05:17am |
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:05:32am |
re: #603 SasquatchOnSteroids
I have one, Jack and Chi.
Not afraid to use him, either./
lol - ours is a great warning system.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:05:46am |
re: #605 Spenser (with an S)
Amen! I would love to see that. I'm the other side of the state which is a little better off, unemployment-wise but still ugly. You are right about the age group thing too. I was out of work completely for 6 mos. (currently under-employed but I'm thankful) but I'm about 40. The people in their 50's are spending up to 18mos. searching.
Or like me, no full time work in my field for 5 years. Fifty six year old computer programmer. I've fallen back on my live theatre training, but, it's more like a part time job and minimum wage.
And yes, I have been told to my face, by professional recruitment people that it is an age thing.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:06:02am |
re: #609 legalpad
Why do people just stand there? It's so weird.
They're shitty owners. If they weren't their dogs would not be off-leash or going onto other people's properties.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:06:24am |
the complete dog...this guy will get it done
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:07:13am |
re: #600 wahabicorridor
They are little lions. The Fat Beagle is very aloof. She basically just tolerates most other dogs. Except for Queso, the chihauhau down the street. He was 8 weeks old when they brought him home and the Fat Beagle fell in love. He's about 3 now and she still rolls over on her back and lets him pull her ears, etc. Totally smitten.
My family had a female silver poodle when I grew up and the neighbors had a male chihuahua. She came in heat one day and my dad and the neighbor (after quite a few shots of ten high no doubt) thought it would be a good idea to lock them in the hall closet together. You should have seen those chaoodle puppies, man was that a strange looking dog. My aunt too one and named it Ralph, neat little dog. btw, the father Poco was a mean little shit.
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vxbush Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:07:18am |
Happy Friday, everyone. I have a question for the geeks here or other poor souls (you know who you are):
I have a machine set up with the latest Windows 7 install, which includes IE8. I tried to access Pandora, and I get nothing for the site. Nada. Is that what folks are seeing for IE8 when they are using XP or Vista? Just curious.
Otherwise, I'm glad for a weekend finally. I need one.
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Dahveed Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:07:26am |
re: #577 lawhawk
I know about 5 people personally at my old employer that were just let go last week. And that was just in my department. There were several thousand that were let go from the company, but it was announced perhaps 6 or 8 months ago. I am certain these people were not included in the stats this time. These were jobs in a large financial services company that was taken over last year. I also know there is another round of layoffs as everything else is consolidated for the final time. I think there are a lot more of these job losses to come in that industry since these companies are still in the process of consolidating.
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loup-garou Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:07:32am |
here is a cool website i just found. that i think LGF readers will like.
Enjoy !
http://www.talkreason.org/index.cfm
TalkReason provides a forum for the publication of papers with well-thought out arguments against creationism, intelligent design, and religious apologetics.
Papers whose goal is to promote creationism, Intelligent Design, irreducible complexity, the compatibility of the Bible with science, and religious apologetics, exegesis or papers arguing against established scientific theories such as the evolution theory will not be accepted.
Both original papers and critical reviews of books and other publications will be considered. Please send papers in .txt, .doc, .rtf, .ps, .pdf or .htm format to admin@talkreason.org.
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redstateredneck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:08:13am |
re: #611 midwestgak
Gak! What is that creature in your avatar?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:08:33am |
re: #620 vxbush
Happy Friday, everyone. I have a question for the geeks here or other poor souls (you know who you are):
I have a machine set up with the latest Windows 7 install, which includes IE8. I tried to access Pandora, and I get nothing for the site. Nada. Is that what folks are seeing for IE8 when they are using XP or Vista? Just curious.
Otherwise, I'm glad for a weekend finally. I need one.
Answer: Firefox.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:08:49am |
re: #611 midwestgak
What is the original source for:
"1-locate, record, target
2-segregate, contain, re-educate
3-evalute, assimilate, alienate"
???
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:08:54am |
re: #611 midwestgak
Unfortunately, the author nosedives straight into the toilet by citing Pammy as a source.
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:09:13am |
re: #616 Walter L. Newton
Or like me, no full time work in my field for 5 years. Fifty six year old computer programmer. I've fallen back on my live theatre training, but, it's more like a part time job and minimum wage.
And yes, I have been told to my face, by professional recruitment people that it is an age thing.
Sure it is. They can't say it to your face, but with dozens or hundreds of candidates to pick from, it's easy to just move on to the next resume.
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vxbush Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:09:19am |
re: #624 Cato the Elder
Answer: Firefox.
Duh. I know that. That's not what I'm asking. I'm curious to know if other IE8 users are seeing similar behavior on other platforms. I know IE8 is bad. I want to know how bad.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:09:56am |
re: #612 MandyManners
I'd love to see that suit in front of Judge Milian.
Yeah, me too. Our dogs were leashed. His ran free. He was poking at our other leashed dog while I held his dog still. He should have been just grabbing his unleashed dog. I had had his stupid dog by the windpipe. It makes me mad just talking about it.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:10:02am |
re: #628 vxbush
Duh. I know that. That's not what I'm asking. I'm curious to know if other IE8 users are seeing similar behavior on other platforms. I know IE8 is bad. I want to know how bad.
doubleplus ungood
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:10:08am |
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:10:29am |
re: #609 legalpad
Why do people just stand there? It's so weird.
Yeah, I know. Plus I don't even recall him offering an apology either. Well it was my mistake like I said.
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apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:10:49am |
re: #586 avanti
good news on the economy? spoken like a true lib pal.
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vxbush Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:11:12am |
re: #631 albusteve
doubleplus ungood
I kind of gathered that, but I'm a gal of specifics. I want details. What happens? What completely breaks? That sort of thing.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:11:27am |
re: #611 midwestgak
Since one item in that link (a new National Guard specialty of running internment camps) comes from Crazy Pamela, I'd have to take that part with a whole salt lick until there is some confirmation.
As much as I joke about re-education camps, and Obama holiday camps, I really don't expect such things.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:11:43am |
re: #611 midwestgak
At the Army website...
Internment/Resettlement Specialist (31E)
Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists in the Army are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility. I/R Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to U.S. military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility; conduct inspections; prepare written reports; and coordinate activities of prisoners/internees and staff personnel.
Some of your duties as an Internment/Resettlement Specialist may include:
Assist with the supervision and management of confinement and detention operations
Provide external security to confinement/corrections facilities or detention/internment facilities
Provide counseling and guidance to individual prisoners within a rehabilitative program
Prepare or review reports and records of prisoners/internees and programs
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]
Need more information. In general, it may be one of those "scary" military type job titles that have less behind them then it sounds. Let's see.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:11:49am |
re: #635 vxbush
I kind of gathered that, but I'm a gal of specifics. I want details. What happens? What completely breaks? That sort of thing.
I'm busy, don't bother me
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:12:03am |
I think people are freaked-out when Fluffy Attacks. They aren't used to raw, primitive power and don't know how to combat it.
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Mich-again Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:12:03am |
re: #614 onslow
There are thousands of houses in Detroit that are in that condition or worse and thousands more empty lots where an old house was tore down. The abandoned lots and houses are all overgrown with wildflowers and weeds and trees. Mother nature is reclaiming the land. Its probably the greenest ghetto in the country.
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:12:42am |
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:12:44am |
re: #640 Mich-again
There are thousands of houses in Detroit that are in that condition or worse and thousands more empty lots where an old house was tore down. The abandoned lots and houses are all overgrown with wildflowers and weeds and trees. Mother nature is reclaiming the land. Its probably the greenest ghetto in the country.
perfect for jungle warfare
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:12:59am |
re: #627 Spenser (with an S)
Sure it is. They can't say it to your face, but with dozens or hundreds of candidates to pick from, it's easy to just move on to the next resume.
Oh yes, this has been said to my face, by recruitment experts, making a off the record general statement about the state of employment.
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jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:13:00am |
re: #632 midwestgak
It is a post at Drudge.
I clicked and got
Service Unavailable
it busy or taken down?
[Link: www.roanoke.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:13:10am |
re: #637 Walter L. Newton
At the Army website...
Internment/Resettlement Specialist (31E)
Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists in the Army are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility. I/R Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to U.S. military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility; conduct inspections; prepare written reports; and coordinate activities of prisoners/internees and staff personnel.
Some of your duties as an Internment/Resettlement Specialist may include:
Assist with the supervision and management of confinement and detention operations
Provide external security to confinement/corrections facilities or detention/internment facilities
Provide counseling and guidance to individual prisoners within a rehabilitative program
Prepare or review reports and records of prisoners/internees and programs
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]
Need more information. In general, it may be one of those "scary" military type job titles that have less behind them then it sounds. Let's see.
wouldn't such a thing also apply to a Katrina-like natural disaster?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:13:12am |
re: #616 Walter L. Newton
Or like me, no full time work in my field for 5 years. Fifty six year old computer programmer. I've fallen back on my live theatre training, but, it's more like a part time job and minimum wage.
And yes, I have been told to my face, by professional recruitment people that it is an age thing.
Youth is wasted on the young, and age is their schadenfreude.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:13:17am |
On Drudge:
OBAMA: 'I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess'...
Shut up you evil kapitalist pigs. you work for Obama now.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:13:46am |
re: #616 Walter L. Newton
Or like me, no full time work in my field for 5 years. Fifty six year old computer programmer. I've fallen back on my live theatre training, but, it's more like a part time job and minimum wage.
And yes, I have been told to my face, by professional recruitment people that it is an age thing.
I haven't had any recruiter be so honest.
But I have been working for about 5-6 years after 20 months of underemployment that built up bills I'm still paying off.
BTW, I have been told for one position that they found a better candidate - yet the position was still being advertised.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:13:53am |
re: #639 ggt
I think people are freaked-out when Fluffy Attacks. They aren't used to raw, primitive power and don't know how to combat it.
A Bug's Life comes to mind.
Get back in line, ant.
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SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:14:07am |
re: #614 onslow
This has been a problem in the city for decades. Somewhere between little and nothing is done about abandoned property, and this is the result. Prior to former homes reaching this state, they offer shelter and business opportunities to crack dealers and other pleasant activities, before finally going all the way to the dogs, like those shown here.
I will never forget a news report a couple of decades back, when Detroit was once again in the national and international news because of it's perversely celebrated Devil's Night arson binges. They were interviewing an elderly black resident, with smoke from a burning garage rising in the background behind him, as he deadpanned, "If the city would come in here and tear these places down, we wouldn't have to burn them down."
Pretty much said it all, right there.
| 652 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:14:10am |
re: #628 vxbush
Duh. I know that. That's not what I'm asking. I'm curious to know if other IE8 users are seeing similar behavior on other platforms. I know IE8 is bad. I want to know how bad.
Who cares when you can just dump it? For free? ;^)
| 653 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:14:58am |
re: #622 loup-garou
creationism, intelligent design, and religious apologetics.
You had me until the third one. It shows they're not all about science but generally anti-religious, IMO.
| 654 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:15:04am |
re: #643 vxbush
Heh. Fine. Google is my Friend (GIMF).
actually, I know next to nothing about it...I was just being sassy
| 655 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:15:24am |
re: #641 turn
Pam is off the deep end.
It is a valid Army and Reserve job, don't know how sinister that makes it?
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]
| 657 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:15:53am |
re: #637 Walter L. Newton
At the Army website...
Internment/Resettlement Specialist (31E)
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]Need more information. In general, it may be one of those "scary" military type job titles that have less behind them then it sounds. Let's see.
Yeah, just a scary job title. All it is, is a prison guard for the army. Stockades, Levanworth, POW camps, stuff like that. The military has all sorts of jobs and titles that most people aren't aware of. Nothing to see here, move along.
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:15:54am |
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:16:06am |
re: #645 jjmckay1216
I clicked and got
Service Unavailable
it busy or taken down?
[Link: www.roanoke.com...]
I tried to access Drudge again and got Server is Busy response. The post is located in the right hand column once you gain access. Look for the picture of Obama waiving.
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:16:53am |
re: #636 Kosh's Shadow
Since one item in that link (a new National Guard specialty of running internment camps) comes from Crazy Pamela, I'd have to take that part with a whole salt lick until there is some confirmation.
As much as I joke about re-education camps, and Obama holiday camps, I really don't expect such things.
This must be what she's referring to. Seems like an actual MOS on the surface.
| 661 |
avanti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:16:58am |
re: #611 midwestgak
I knew I should have walked out the door. It's a modified National Guard ad that someone uploaded to a job search site. I don't think he expected anyone to believe the spoof. OK, really off now, wish me luck.
| 662 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:18:07am |
re: #637 Walter L. Newton
At the Army website...
Internment/Resettlement Specialist (31E)
Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists in the Army are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility. I/R Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to U.S. military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility; conduct inspections; prepare written reports; and coordinate activities of prisoners/internees and staff personnel.
Some of your duties as an Internment/Resettlement Specialist may include:
Assist with the supervision and management of confinement and detention operations
Provide external security to confinement/corrections facilities or detention/internment facilities
Provide counseling and guidance to individual prisoners within a rehabilitative program
Prepare or review reports and records of prisoners/internees and programs
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]
Need more information. In general, it may be one of those "scary" military type job titles that have less behind them then it sounds. Let's see.
Or maybe Obama is keeping Gitmo open. Sounds more like running a POW camp.
Here's someone who can apply.
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vxbush Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:18:17am |
re: #652 Cato the Elder
Who cares when you can just dump it? For free? ;^)
Because I'm supporting Windows users who will want to install it because it's "new" and it's part of Windows 7. I have to decide if I'm going to install Windows 7 in my labs. I need data for that. That includes testing IE 8 on a Windows 7 box.
It's called work.
| 664 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:18:19am |
re: #646 ggt
wouldn't such a thing also apply to a Katrina-like natural disaster?
As I said above, I don't know if this is really "sinister" or not. Someone with more information than I have been able to find may be able to shed light on this.
My first question would be how long has this job title been around. It really may have nothing more to do with anything but a military police type position that has been available for a long time. I don't know.
For now, I put this in the "I don't know" category. We have a number of active service people here who may be able to help.
| 665 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:18:23am |
Know your agitators..by Iowahawk. Check out the photos of the usual suspects
LOL The man is a comic genius
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:18:40am |
| 667 |
vxbush Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:18:44am |
re: #654 albusteve
actually, I know next to nothing about it...I was just being sassy
And that's different--how?
/
| 668 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:18:55am |
According to the allergen report, weeds and mold are in moderate concentration to day in the Chicagoland area. Allergy sufferers need to take appropriate precautions.
| 669 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:19:18am |
re: #661 avanti
I knew I should have walked out the door. It's a modified National Guard ad that someone uploaded to a job search site. I don't think he expected anyone to believe the spoof. OK, really off now, wish me luck.
It's not a spoof, it's a valid Army job...
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]
| 670 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:19:22am |
Good morning y'all - from a warm (73 going up to 90 degrees) and bright, sunny Charlotte!
Mom and I are doing well today and I hope all y'all are too!
| 671 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:19:34am |
Hope and change - Obama is cleaning up the mess we horrible citizens created for him.
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:19:46am |
re: #639 ggt
I think people are freaked-out when Fluffy Attacks. They aren't used to raw, primitive power and don't know how to combat it.
Pitt Bulls are basically the only dogs I fear.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:20:00am |
re: #666 MandyManners
Motley is taking Geller's word for anything?
It's a real Army job, probably nothing sinister about it.
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]
| 674 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:20:22am |
re: #664 Walter L. Newton
As I said above, I don't know if this is really "sinister" or not. Someone with more information than I have been able to find may be able to shed light on this.
My first question would be how long has this job title been around. It really may have nothing more to do with anything but a military police type position that has been available for a long time. I don't know.
For now, I put this in the "I don't know" category. We have a number of active service people here who may be able to help.
If Joliet Prison got out of control and the National Guard had to be called-in, I would expect them to have a procedure. This really doesn't concern me. Military types have jobs and protocols for every contingency.
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:20:25am |
re: #648 FrogMarch
On Drudge:
OBAMA: 'I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess'...
Shut up you evil kapitalist pigs. you work for Obama now.
Here comes the violence. Tampa was just a taste. I've been waiting for this.
Every one of these need to be thoroughly recorded and ID the union members.
| 676 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:20:29am |
re: #648 FrogMarch
On Drudge:
OBAMA: 'I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess'...
Shut up you evil kapitalist pigs. you work for Obama now.
Looks like FCBBHO is trying to fufill is desires.
| 677 |
bush's babe Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:20:31am |
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Thank you for your participation in this.
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:20:40am |
re: #671 FrogMarch
Hope and change - Obama is cleaning up the mess we horrible citizens created for him.
try again...
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 679 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:20:43am |
re: #653 Spenser (with an S)
You had me until the third one. It shows they're not all about science but generally anti-religious, IMO.
Yes, and they didn't want any papers showing that the Bible is compatible with science. That lost my interest right there, because I find it quite compatible, with the right interpretation, and comparing Kabbalah with modern science is very interesting - the Kabbalists came up with similar ideas from religious sources.
| 680 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:20:51am |
re: #651 SixDegrees
"If the city would come in here and tear these places down, we wouldn't have to burn them down."
There is a movement in Baltimore and other "shrinking cities" to tear down whole abandoned neighborhoods and turn them to other uses, like parks.
The preservationists are outraged. But some of the places they would preserve look about like those pics.
If a city grows, you build. If it shrinks, you tear down. See Rome. Marble is the only thing that lasted.
| 681 |
karmic_inquisitor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:21:18am |
More interesting at Drudge are the Union goons showing up at town halls and intimidating anyone who speaks out. Nice video capture of them surrounding a guy and pushing him around.
So let's see - the White House concocts E-Fink, then get the Unions to dispatch goons, and then tells Democrats to "hit back twice as hard."
Given that context, who here can defend E-Fink as not being ripe for abuse by the Chicago politicians who created it?
| 682 |
redstateredneck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:21:21am |
re: #670 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a warm (73 going up to 90 degrees) and bright, sunny Charlotte!
Mom and I are doing well today and I hope all y'all are too!
{realwest} & {mom}
Glad y'all are doing well.
| 683 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:21:29am |
re: #670 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a warm (73 going up to 90 degrees) and bright, sunny Charlotte!
Mom and I are doing well today and I hope all y'all are too!
Morning, real. Glad to hear that.
| 684 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:22:00am |
re: #663 vxbush
Because I'm supporting Windows users who will want to install it because it's "new" and it's part of Windows 7. I have to decide if I'm going to install Windows 7 in my labs. I need data for that. That includes testing IE 8 on a Windows 7 box.
It's called work.
Well, excuuuse me! Nice job if you can get it.
| 685 |
midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:22:02am |
re: #670 realwest
Morning {real}. Good to hear you are having a better day.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:22:14am |
re: #672 turn
Pitt Bulls are basically the only dogs I fear.
I an concerned with any dog that is not mine and that I don't know very well. They are pack animals and if badly trained/bred will see me as a threat. The most important thing is to not show the fear in any way. I am the Alpha Bitch and they'd better behave accordingly.
Mostly, I just want to scratch ears.
| 687 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:22:26am |
re: #681 karmic_inquisitor
More interesting at Drudge are the Union goons showing up at town halls and intimidating anyone who speaks out. Nice video capture of them surrounding a guy and pushing him around.
So let's see - the White House concocts E-Fink, then get the Unions to dispatch goons, and then tells Democrats to "hit back twice as hard."
Given that context, who here can defend E-Fink as not being ripe for abuse by the Chicago politicians who created it?
That was a rhetorical question, right?
| 688 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:22:26am |
re: #642 albusteve
perfect for jungle warfare
Our local NPR station was interviewing some clueless Greenie who was upset that attempts to "reforest" abandoned lots weren't going well. After some questioning, it turned out that the resistance on the part of residents was to planting pine trees - because their wide, to-the-ground silhouettes provided excellent cover for would-be assailants to lurk behind. This perfectly reasonable concern was viewed with disdain by our intrepid Urban Renewer, who immediately condemned such concerns as being "anti-environment." Dumbass.
Meanwhile, out in the suburbs - where this mindless twit almost certainly lives when she isn't haranguing city residents - road commissions strictly regulate placement of - you guessed it - pine trees near roadways, because they limit visibility.
I keep expecting to wake up and find someone spraying Brawndo! on their gardens.
| 689 |
redstateredneck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:22:40am |
re: #672 turn
Pitt Bulls are basically the only dogs I fear.
My daughter's boyfriend has one and they claim he's a sweetheart, but I just don't trust him. If they ever get married and have kids, I'll have to have a real come to Jesus meeting with them about the dog.
| 690 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:22:49am |
re: #673 Walter L. Newton
It's a real Army job, probably nothing sinister about it.
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]
I know but, why on earth would someone take her word for anything?
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vxbush Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:23:13am |
re: #677 bush's babe
To be eligible for the credit, the Act requires that wellness programs include three of the following four components: health education, participation monitoring, behavioral change and a supportive environment for healthy lifestyles.
My employer is supposed to be watching me work, not watching me to make sure that I'm participating in wellness programs.
And there is some research--potentially enough--to indicate that wellness programs don't work.
| 692 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:23:33am |
re: #680 Cato the Elder
There is a movement in Baltimore and other "shrinking cities" to tear down whole abandoned neighborhoods and turn them to other uses, like parks.
The preservationists are outraged. But some of the places they would preserve look about like those pics.
If a city grows, you build. If it shrinks, you tear down. See Rome. Marble is the only thing that lasted.
I've often wondered, as the suburbs sprawl, why someone didn't turn the resultant unused city land into farm land.
| 693 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:23:36am |
re: #681 karmic_inquisitor
More interesting at Drudge are the Union goons showing up at town halls and intimidating anyone who speaks out. Nice video capture of them surrounding a guy and pushing him around.
So let's see - the White House concocts E-Fink, then get the Unions to dispatch goons, and then tells Democrats to "hit back twice as hard."
Given that context, who here can defend E-Fink as not being ripe for abuse by the Chicago politicians who created it?
Do we have any "thugs" on our side? Didn't think so. Just nice polite citizens getting a little angry.
| 694 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:23:38am |
re: #655 Walter L. Newton
It is a valid Army and Reserve job, don't know how sinister that makes it?
[Link: www.goarmy.com...]
Also, the National Guard is heavily employed in Iraq and Afghanistan doing exactly this job, freeing the regular army up for more one-on-oneish activities.
| 695 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:23:46am |
re: #677 bush's babe
We'll get employer-run calisthenics like in Japan. And have to spend extra time at work to make up for it.
Now, if they could reduce stress, I'd have time to have healthier habits on my own.
| 696 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:24:09am |
re: #677 bush's babe
Who ARE those people? Will this be mandatory?
| 697 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:24:13am |
re: #690 MandyManners
I know but, why on earth would someone take her word for anything?
I don't know Mandy.
| 698 |
karmic_inquisitor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:24:14am |
re: #687 Walter L. Newton
That was a rhetorical question, right?
Not really - last night I had quite a few people telling me I was paranoid because I found E-Fink to be unseemly. I kid you not.
| 699 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:25:19am |
re: #655 Walter L. Newton
Totally off topic Walter, my neighbor wes from tex is in your neck of the woods attending a wedding tomorrow. He called me just now to check on his dogs, the male and female ridgebacks. Today they are going trout fishing at about 9000 ft elevation.
| 700 |
vxbush Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:25:23am |
re: #695 Kosh's Shadow
We'll get employer-run calisthenics like in Japan. And have to spend extra time at work to make up for it.
Now, if they could reduce stress, I'd have time to have healthier habits on my own.
I would agree. Less stress would do more good than inducing exercise regimens.
| 701 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:26:10am |
re: #698 karmic_inquisitor
Not really - last night I had quite a few people telling me I was paranoid because I found E-Fink to be unseemly. I kid you not.
My question was sarcastic. I know that there are a lot of people who find nothing wrong with anything the administration is doing.
| 702 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:26:23am |
re: #679 Kosh's Shadow
Y
es, and they didn't want any papers showing that the Bible is compatible with science. That lost my interest right there, because I find it quite compatible, with the right interpretation
I know several Biology and Astronomy Phds from MIT and Harvard who agree with you.
| 703 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:26:23am |
re: #676 MandyManners
Looks like FCBBHO is trying to fufill is desires.
He's the ultimate self-centered narcissist. It's all about him. We the people ruined it for him and we better shut up now.
| 704 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:26:28am |
Question: Why is there no alternative medicine for appendicitis?
Answer: We know how to fix appendicitis.
Acupuncture, anyone?
| 705 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:26:32am |
re: #699 turn
Totally off topic Walter, my neighbor wes from tex is in your neck of the woods attending a wedding tomorrow. He called me just now to check on his dogs, the male and female ridgebacks. Today they are going trout fishing at about 9000 ft elevation.
Where was he?
| 706 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:27:15am |
re: #677 bush's babe
Board of Directors
Michael P. O'Donnell, PhD, MBA, MPH
Donna Allen, PhD
Donald E. Barr, PhD
Vin DeProssino
Lawrence W. Green, DrPH
John Harris, MEd
Kenneth R. Pelletier, PhD, MD
Anna Silberman
Leslie Spencer, PhD
Derek Yach, MBChB, MPH
HPA Advisory Board
Lester Breslow MD, MPH, Sc.D
Bill Foege, MD
James Fries, MD
Martha Hill, PhD, RN
Dean Ornish, MD
J.Michael M. McGinnis, MD, MPP
Gilbert Omenn, MD, PhD
Mike Roizen, MD
Standing Committees
Grassroots Advocacy Committee, chaired by Leslie Spencer PhD
The goal of the Grassroots Advocacy Committee is to equip and empower health promotion professionals from each of the 435 U.S. congressional districts to advocate for health promotion legislation with their representatives. Each state has a state leader, who is responsible for recruiting advocates within his or her state, and to assist the committee in calling the advocates within his or her state and to assist the committee in calling the advocates to contact their representatives when legislation is before them.
Committee members: Leslie Spencer, Chair, Donna Allen, Wendi Bailey, Tanya Morgan, Maik Schutze
Collaboration Development Committee, chaired by John Harris
This committee is responsible for forming relationships with professional associations, employers, health care organizations, educational organizations, advocacy groups and other groups who endorse the Health Promotion Advocates effort. This committee also coordinates communication with this network and solicits resources from collaborators that support the Health Promotion Advocates cause.
Committee members: John Harris, chair, Cheryl Agranovich, Cathy Baase, Richard Bellingham, Joy Blackwood, Steven Blair, Derek Broaddus, Kevin Clair, RoxAnne Crookston, Paul Hartlaub, Courtney Hughes, Marie Hunsinger, Mark Johannsson, Ann Kiefhaber, Scott McFarland, Katherine Meacham, Jim Narum, Keiko Sakagami, Brenda Schmidt, Karen Secor, Sandra Simpson, Islara Souto, Michael Taylor, Valeria Tivnan, Carrin Wiczynski
Finance Committee, chaired by Vin DeProssino
This committee oversees the financial operations of Health Promotion Advocates and leads fundraising efforts for the organization.
Committee members: Vin DeProssino, chair, Chuck Reynolds, Andrea Lazar
Communication Committee, chaired by Donald E. Barr, PhD
The Communications Committee develops the communication materials necessary for various Health Promotion Advocates activities. These include briefing documents, press releases, summary statements, websites, and other materials.
Committee members: Donald E. Barr, chair, David R. Anderson, Catherine Ansuini, Elaine Bass Jenks, Katherine Meacham, collaboration liason, Patricia Rohner, Anna L. Silberman
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:27:33am |
re: #670 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a warm (73 going up to 90 degrees) and bright, sunny Charlotte!
Mom and I are doing well today and I hope all y'all are too!
Morning real, good for you.
| 708 |
bush's babe Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:28:05am |
re: #696 MandyManners
Who ARE those people? Will this be mandatory?
Good question... Company's working for the government maybe??? Maybe not at first but you know where this is going!!! I am SICK to my stomach about this.
| 709 |
cronus Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:28:13am |
Morning Lizards. Helping a friend find an apartment and came across this description for a unit on Craigslist:
2 Bedroom, 1 Bath open. Some units have fireplaces and ceiling fans and electric heat in each room. We pay for your cable. There are microwaves and dishwashers in each unit. Laundry room is located on each floor. Third floor vaulted ceilings. Units have either decks or patios. Garages available @ $45.00 per month. Many units have been remolded. If you would like to come see one, we can show you one at your convenience.
| 710 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:28:13am |
re: #702 Spenser (with an S)
Y
I know several Biology and Astronomy Phds from MIT and Harvard who agree with you.
If one of them is Dr. Gerald Scroeder, tell him I have his books and think they are very good.
(Just don't tell him I've had to skim them because I don't have time to read them cover to cover right now)
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:28:42am |
re: #704 Cato the Elder
Question: Why is there no alternative medicine for appendicitis?
Answer: We know how to fix appendicitis.
Acupuncture, anyone?
With the new healthcare plan, it's peritonitis followed sepsis, then followed by death. One less person to cover.
I'm not sure about the / here.
| 712 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:29:06am |
re: #680 Cato the Elder
There is a movement in Baltimore and other "shrinking cities" to tear down whole abandoned neighborhoods and turn them to other uses, like parks.
The preservationists are outraged. But some of the places they would preserve look about like those pics.
If a city grows, you build. If it shrinks, you tear down. See Rome. Marble is the only thing that lasted.
It tears me apart to see some of these old building destroyed. But there are many, like those pictured, that are simply beyond salvation. There comes a time when that simply has to be acknowledged, and the blight they represent be removed. Meanwhile, there are still literally thousands of fine architectural specimens that are still salvageable. Focus on those before they go down the drain as well.
| 713 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:29:24am |
Call me paranoid but, I can see FCBBHO trying to shove some sort of Fairness Doctrine down our throats in order to combat all that "fishy" information out there under the guise of stomping out lies.
| 714 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:29:29am |
re: #689 redstateredneck
My daughter's boyfriend has one and they claim he's a sweetheart, but I just don't trust him. If they ever get married and have kids, I'll have to have a real come to Jesus meeting with them about the dog.
Pit Bulls get such a bad rap. A well-bred, well-trained pit is a wonderful dog. The downside is they have the capability to annihilate anyone who threatens what it perceives as it's family.
I'll never have a pit because I won't have a dog I cannot physically control. A Great Dane I could knock the legs out from under, a German Shepherd I could tackle and knock down. A Pit-Bull is a tank of a dog. Their center-of- gravity and sheer dense strength would make either of the above senerios impossible. I couldn't even get thru the neck muscles with my fingernails to make any impact.
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:29:53am |
re: #711 MrSilverDragon
With the new healthcare plan, it's peritonitis followed sepsis, then followed by death. One less person to cover.
I'm not sure about the / here.
Been there, done that. Well, not quite the death part.
Take your 'wellness' and shove it.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:30:06am |
re: #709 cronus
Morning Lizards. Helping a friend find an apartment and came across this description for a unit on Craigslist:
I'm not sure what you are trying to point out? Explain?
| 718 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:30:15am |
re: #711 MrSilverDragon
With the new healthcare plan, it's peritonitis followed sepsis, then followed by death. One less person to cover.
I'm not sure about the / here.
Of course you're not. Obama clearly wants to thin the herd by restricting common, inexpensive and 99.9% effective treatment.
He's evil. A black soul.
Oops.
| 719 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:30:39am |
| 720 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:30:54am |
re: #717 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure what you are trying to point out? Explain?
Remolded. Now with fresh new fungus and black mold in the walls...
| 721 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:31:04am |
| 722 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:31:04am |
re: #708 bush's babe
Good question... Company's working for the government maybe??? Maybe not at first but you know where this is going!!! I am SICK to my stomach about this.
I don't have the time to research them all but, the link I posted in my No. 706 has the answers to who they are. A bit of Googling should provide more answers.
| 723 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:31:13am |
re: #672 turn
Pitt Bulls are basically the only dogs I fear.
With the right owner/trainer Pits are magnificent animals (the breed is really called American Stafordshire Terrier).
The dog that should absolutely be bread out of existence is the Presaro Canario
| 724 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:31:35am |
re: #721 Walter L. Newton
Oh, you expect me to catch spelling errors. LOL.
Not at all. I just happened to.
| 725 |
apachegunner Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:32:14am |
re: #718 Cato the Elder
Of course you're not. Obama clearly wants to thin the herd by restricting common, inexpensive and 99.9% effective treatment.
He's evil. A black soul.
Oops.
can we say that Elder?
| 726 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:32:33am |
re: #686 ggt
I an concerned with any dog that is not mine and that I don't know very well. They are pack animals and if badly trained/bred will see me as a threat. The most important thing is to not show the fear in any way. I am the Alpha Bitch and they'd better behave accordingly.
Mostly, I just want to scratch ears.
Me? Not so much. Oh and the fear with pit bulls was mainly a concern for my dog Luke. I'll always chain him up at the first sighting of a pitt bull and give those dogs a wide berth.
| 727 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:32:41am |
| 728 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:32:43am |
re: #678 FrogMarch
Hey FrogMarch - interesting article, but I heard on TV today that the unemployment rate climbed to only 9.4% which IS good news. It's down from the .5% monthly average increase since January of this year.
Still and all, I think it's not exactly "presidential" for President Obama to go around blaming everyone else for the economic mess we're in. HE proposed a budget which included a $1.2 TRILLION dollar deficit; none of Bush's budgets projected a deficit, not even those passed by the Democratic Controlled Congress in 2007 and 2008. Falling income tax revenues - as stated and projected by the IRS are going to add another 800-900 BILLION DOLLARS to the Deficit and if health care reform is passed, who knows how much more money will go up in smoke just trying to implement it (even if the Health Care Bill is GOOD for America, you know there's gonna be some painful costs involved in administratively handling the change over) and there will continue to be a rise in unemployment (NOT TO MENTION Under employment) for several months at least, and that will mean even lower receipts by the IRS).
But, having said that, and while feeling a great deal of empathy for the 9.4% of the workforce (that actually gets measured by the Fed) who are struggling without a job, that really is GOOD economic news.
| 729 |
johnnyreb Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:33:21am |
re: #674 ggt
If Joliet Prison got out of control and the National Guard had to be called-in, I would expect them to have a procedure. This really doesn't concern me. Military types have jobs and protocols for every contingency.
I suspect this is a new job that morphed out of MP. We send tons of MP's and other people to guard prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan and GITMO. I even have had to send my Navy guys on IA's to do guard duty in prisons in Iraq. I think the Army and NG are just making a new MOS for basically prisoner guard.
| 730 |
midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:33:26am |
re: #700 vxbush
I would agree. Less stress would do more good than inducing exercise regimens.
Krauthammer on Preventative Care
Preventive care is 'a nice thing' but 'it doesn't save money.'
| 731 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:33:42am |
Obama's solution for terrorism.
In summary, he wants to show that terrorism can be solved by getting the Israelis and Palis to make peace, which will show the terrorists that their "legitimate grievances" can be handled the same way.
The Obama administration hopes to tamp down violent extremism by showing that "seemingly intractable problems and legitimate grievances" such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be resolved through diplomacy and democracy, according to the White House's point man on counterterrorism.
Are you feeling safer now?
Just the line about "legitimate grievances" shows he doesn't understand anything. What is the "legitimate greivance" Al Qaeda has with us? Our buildings insulted Allah or something?
Not to mention the Palis, who don't want Israel to exist; this isn't something that can be solved by diplomacy, but by force or surrender.
| 732 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:33:53am |
re: #713 MandyManners
Call me paranoid but, I can see FCBBHO trying to shove some sort of Fairness Doctrine down our throats in order to combat all that "fishy" information out there under the guise of stomping out lies.
He and his band of left-wing progressives and business-killing union thugs are scaring the shit out of the populous. Our president tends to inspire dread and paranoia.
Even gentle moderate Peggy Noonan sees it.
| 733 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:34:01am |
re: #723 wahabicorridor
With the right owner/trainer Pits are magnificent animals (the breed is really called American Stafordshire Terrier).
The dog that should absolutely be bread out of existence is the Presaro Canario
What kind of bread? Challah?
| 734 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:34:21am |
re: #712 SixDegrees
It tears me apart to see some of these old building destroyed. But there are many, like those pictured, that are simply beyond salvation. There comes a time when that simply has to be acknowledged, and the blight they represent be removed. Meanwhile, there are still literally thousands of fine architectural specimens that are still salvageable. Focus on those before they go down the drain as well.
saw slide show a while back...some very impressive old buildings rotting into the ground...it's probably hopeless at this point...visiting my buddy in Mt Clemens last time, he dais he hadn't been down in Detroit in 3 or 4 years...it's dead, jim
| 735 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:34:23am |
re: #682 redstateredneck
Hey there {red} thank you! How are y'all doing today?
| 736 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:34:25am |
re: #692 ggt
I've often wondered, as the suburbs sprawl, why someone didn't turn the resultant unused city land into farm land.
There are movements to do that. There are also a lot of problems, ranging from demolition and ownership issues to zoning ordinances to soil pollution and a proliferation of pests a poorly tended garden can bring. And many of these projects wind up that way - they get a big sendoff, then interest fades almost instantly and you wind up with an urban weed patch.
At the moment, there are NO grocery store chains within Detroit city limits. Not one. Obtaining decent food at a decent price is literally impossible unless you have transportation out of the city and back. Growing food locally would be a welcome benefit, but so far it just hasn't worked out.
| 737 |
karmic_inquisitor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:34:25am |
Here is a Reuters article with Obama's quote in it .
"I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess," Obama said to loud cheers
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
I don't remember George Bush telling Democrats to STFU. He could have used the same line after 9/11 but was actually trying to unite the country rather than blame someone for the 9/11 attacks.
| 738 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:34:40am |
re: #732 FrogMarch
He and his band of left-wing progressives and business-killing union thugs are scaring the shit out of the populous. Our president tends to inspire dread and paranoia.
Even gentle moderate Peggy Noonan sees it.
LOL. "The populous."
| 739 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:34:45am |
re: #709 cronus
Morning Lizards. Helping a friend find an apartment and came across this description for a unit on Craigslist:
Was the old mold not good enough. LOL!
| 740 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:35:03am |
| 741 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:35:25am |
re: #689 redstateredneck
My daughter's boyfriend has one and they claim he's a sweetheart, but I just don't trust him. If they ever get married and have kids, I'll have to have a real come to Jesus meeting with them about the dog.
Morning red. The neighbor's daughter says the same thing about hers, no way is turn buying that crap. Those dogs are bred to kill and even if they seem nice they can snap at anytime. And if they lock onto your dog it's going down.
| 742 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:35:46am |
re: #727 DaddyG
It's not paranoia if they are really out to get you.
THERE'S A BLACK CHOPPER ABOVE LAYING DOWN SOME CHEMTRAIL OVER MY HOUSE.
| 743 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:35:51am |
re: #737 karmic_inquisitor
[...] I don't remember George Bush telling Democrats to STFU. [...]
That was Cheney's job.
| 744 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:35:52am |
I have to start my day.
Have a good one all!
| 745 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:35:57am |
re: #728 realwest
I don't agree at all.
re: #531 Walter L. Newton
And there is not a single good reason behind the numbers. It's like saying only less people died of an out of control epidemic last month than the month before. The problem hasn't gone away at all. If you read a little further into the stats, nothing has really changed and the same factors that have caused the problems are still in full force and out of control... from CNN...
---
The number of people unemployed for more than six months continued to rise, reaching nearly 5 million people, a record high. The average time that an unemployed person has been out of work reached 25.1 weeks, the highest reading in the 61 years that this has been tracked by the Labor Department.
The Labor Department also said that one reason for the declining number of job losses was because cuts had been so deep leading up to July that there were fewer workers to lay off during the seasonal shutdown that happens in some factories, such as those in the auto industry.
Since the start of 2008, 6.7 million jobs have been lost in the U.S.
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
---
The above paragraphs are normally the ones that the pundits never manage to get to when talking about this issue.
So, ANYONE putting a positive spin on this and saying this is good, in any way, is lying to you. Which seems to be the modus operandi of this administration.
| 746 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:36:25am |
re: #721 Walter L. Newton
Oh, you expect me to catch spelling errors. LOL.
I expect you to make them. /
| 747 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:36:42am |
| 748 |
eschew_obfuscation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:36:49am |
re: #713 MandyManners
Call me paranoid but, I can see FCBBHO trying to shove some sort of Fairness Doctrine down our throats in order to combat all that "fishy" information out there under the guise of stomping out lies.
I'm actually kind of relieved seeing some of the broad-spectrum push back against some of the craziness coming from Congress right now. If anything like a Fairness Doctrine were attempted now, I think it would generate a strong reaction from a very vocal and large portion of the political right (at a minimum). I think it would ignite a firestorm.
Just my intuition ... no crystal ball here.
| 749 |
bush's babe Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:36:59am |
re: #722 MandyManners
Ok... maybe it isn't that bad but this is to support the WHOLE bill but mostly the previsions the company likes... I just don't think we as employees should have ANYTHING to do with this.
| 750 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:37:02am |
re: #679 Kosh's Shadow
Yes, and they didn't want any papers showing that the Bible is compatible with science. That lost my interest right there, because I find it quite compatible, with the right interpretation, and comparing Kabbalah with modern science is very interesting - the Kabbalists came up with similar ideas from religious sources.
Wasn't it Maimonides who said Torah is truth and if you find something in life that you think contradicts Torah, you're misinterepting Torah?
| 751 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:37:06am |
We inherited a huge deficit.
Yeah, and then you went and immediately [expletive deleted] tripled it!
/suck it up, you own it buddy, at least try an excuse that makes sense
| 752 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:37:09am |
re: #688 SixDegrees
Our local NPR station was interviewing some clueless Greenie who was upset that attempts to "reforest" abandoned lots weren't going well. After some questioning, it turned out that the resistance on the part of residents was to planting pine trees - because their wide, to-the-ground silhouettes provided excellent cover for would-be assailants to lurk behind. This perfectly reasonable concern was viewed with disdain by our intrepid Urban Renewer, who immediately condemned such concerns as being "anti-environment." Dumbass.
Meanwhile, out in the suburbs - where this mindless twit almost certainly lives when she isn't haranguing city residents - road commissions strictly regulate placement of - you guessed it - pine trees near roadways, because they limit visibility.
I keep expecting to wake up and find someone spraying Brawndo! on their gardens.
The Thirst Mutilator!
| 753 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:37:18am |
| 754 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:37:36am |
re: #732 FrogMarch
He and his band of left-wing progressives and business-killing union thugs are scaring the shit out of the populous. Our president tends to inspire dread and paranoia.
Even gentle moderate Peggy Noonan sees it.
What has been most unsettling is not the congressmen’s surprise but a hard new tone that emerged this week. The leftosphere and the liberal commentariat charged that the town hall meetings weren’t authentic, the crowds were ginned up by insurance companies, lobbyists and the Republican National Committee. But you can’t get people to leave their homes and go to a meeting with a congressman (of all people) unless they are engaged to the point of passion. And what tends to agitate people most is the idea of loss—loss of money hard earned, loss of autonomy, loss of the few things that work in a great sweeping away of those that don’t.
| 755 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:38:08am |
re: #736 SixDegrees
At the moment, there are NO grocery store chains within Detroit city limits. Not one. Obtaining decent food at a decent price is literally impossible unless you have transportation out of the city and back. Growing food locally would be a welcome benefit, but so far it just hasn't worked out.
Meijer is working on getting permission for some smaller,
| 756 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:38:26am |
| 757 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:38:51am |
Just a reminder, folks. I don't do "sarc tags". Sarcasm is my default mode. Anyone who updinged my comment about Obama wanting to thin the herd may want to reconsider, unless you understand it's satire.
| 758 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:38:54am |
| 759 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:39:13am |
re: #748 eschew_obfuscation
I'm actually kind of relieved seeing some of the broad-spectrum push back against some of the craziness coming from Congress right now. If anything like a Fairness Doctrine were attempted now, I think it would generate a strong reaction from a very vocal and large portion of the political right (at a minimum). I think it would ignite a firestorm.
Just my intuition ... no crystal ball here.
I see it coming from ALL sides.
| 760 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:39:27am |
re: #750 wahabicorridor
Wasn't it Maimonides who said Torah is truth and if you find something in life that you think contradicts Torah, you're misinterepting Torah?
I think so.
| 761 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:39:35am |
re: #728 realwest
Hi RealWest.
Sorry I just don't see good news right now.
(even if the Health Care Bill is GOOD for America, you know there's gonna be some painful costs involved in administratively handling the change over) and there will continue to be a rise in unemployment (NOT TO MENTION Under employment) for several months at least, and that will mean even lower receipts by the IRS).
gov. health care is another ponzi scheme. It will not really work and I doubt it will be "Good" for America. The productive sector cannot handle any more taxation right now. It will kill off any gains in employment.
| 762 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:40:05am |
re: #757 Cato the Elder
Just a reminder, folks. I don't do "sarc tags". Sarcasm is my default mode. Anyone who updinged my comment about Obama wanting to thin the herd may want to reconsider, unless you understand it's satire.
Reconsider, hmmm... can you say John P. Holden? Connection, I don't know.
| 763 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:40:11am |
re: #713 MandyManners
Call me paranoid but, I can see FCBBHO trying to shove some sort of Fairness Doctrine down our throats in order to combat all that "fishy" information out there under the guise of stomping out lies.
Man I didn't think about that but you're on to something there MM.
| 764 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:40:12am |
re: #749 bush's babe
Ok... maybe it isn't that bad but this is to support the WHOLE bill but mostly the previsions the company likes... I just don't think we as employees should have ANYTHING to do with this.
I did a bit of Googling and a lot of these folks seem to be academics and "organizational" folks if you get my drift.
| 765 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:40:14am |
re: #731 Kosh's Shadow Were going to empathize ourselves to death.
| 766 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:40:39am |
re: #717 Walter L. Newton
Morning Walter! The add talks about new moldness - they meant, I suppose new mouldings - mold itself is not something you'd want where you live (or work) as it can be EXTREMLEY detrimental to your help.
Just a typo I'm sure.
| 767 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:40:44am |
re: #714 ggt
I'll never have a pit because I won't have a dog I cannot physically control
Which is why we have a beagle instead of a Rottie
| 768 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:40:58am |
re: #754 MandyManners
Good morning Miss Mandy. How is young Mr. Manners enjoying his summer vacation? Did he go to camp this year?
| 769 |
jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:41:14am |
re: #751 Killian Bundy
Yeah, and then you went and immediately [expletive deleted] tripled it!
/suck it up, you own it buddy, at least try an excuse that makes sense
here's my favorite
"We're losing jobs at half the rate we were at the beginning of this year."
ummm...u idiot, it's because when most of the people have already been laid off, there just aren't many more TO lay off...
| 770 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:41:55am |
re: #765 DaddyG
Were going to empathize ourselves to death.
See, we'll get to understand the drive that leads people to become suicide bombers, so we'll feel a sense of achievement when we get blown up.
///
| 771 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:41:57am |
re: #763 turn
Man I didn't think about that but you're on to something there MM.
As eschew_obfuscation noted in No. 748, there would be a shit-storm of resistance.
| 772 |
esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:42:28am |
re: #769 jjmckay1216
here's my favorite
"We're losing jobs at half the rate we were at the beginning of this year."
ummm...u idiot, it's because when most of the people have already been laid off, there just aren't many more TO lay off...
The essence of their message is
"It could be worse!"
| 773 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:42:43am |
re: #714 ggt
Pit Bulls get such a bad rap. A well-bred, well-trained pit is a wonderful dog. The downside is they have the capability to annihilate anyone who threatens what it perceives as it's family.
I'll never have a pit because I won't have a dog I cannot physically control. A Great Dane I could knock the legs out from under, a German Shepherd I could tackle and knock down. A Pit-Bull is a tank of a dog. Their center-of- gravity and sheer dense strength would make either of the above senerios impossible. I couldn't even get thru the neck muscles with my fingernails to make any impact.
Exactly why I fear them, and their perception is not predictable unlike the other dogs you mentioned.
| 774 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:43:10am |
re: #736 SixDegrees
...a proliferation of pests a poorly tended garden can bring. And many of these projects wind up that way - they get a big sendoff, then interest fades almost instantly and you wind up with an urban weed patch...
When were you in my yard?! I swear I was going to week the garden this weekend.
| 775 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:43:18am |
re: #769 jjmckay1216
here's my favorite
"We're losing jobs at half the rate we were at the beginning of this year."
ummm...u idiot, it's because when most of the people have already been laid off, there just aren't many more TO lay off...
Yep...
"The Labor Department also said that one reason for the declining number of job losses was because cuts had been so deep leading up to July that there were fewer workers to lay off during the seasonal shutdown that happens in some factories, such as those in the auto industry."
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
| 776 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:44:06am |
re: #764 MandyManners
I did a bit of Googling and a lot of these folks seem to be academics and "organizational" folks if you get my drift.
The spring winds tighter. Lefty association, lefty friends, lefty Czars, lefty, lefty, lefty.
But he's a moderate. Sheesh.
| 777 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:44:32am |
re: #768 Bobblehead
Good morning Miss Mandy. How is young Mr. Manners enjoying his summer vacation? Did he go to camp this year?
Summer vacation ended last night at midnight--today is the first day of school. He is very disappoited that 4th grade only has one recess. When I told him that there is no recess in the higher grades, he said that he'll just flunk this grade over and over.
No camp this year. He's a bit too young.
| 778 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:44:55am |
re: #734 albusteve
saw slide show a while back...some very impressive old buildings rotting into the ground...it's probably hopeless at this point...visiting my buddy in Mt Clemens last time, he dais he hadn't been down in Detroit in 3 or 4 years...it's dead, jim
I wouldn't say it's hopeless. But ongoing talk of a "rebirth" or "renaissance" are pathetically off base. Detroit is never, ever coming back to anything like what it was in the past, and people need to get used to that fact. It may start all over again and build itself into something new, but the idea of some kind of "rebirth" is stupid and self-defeating.
Some good news - Detroit is ever so slowly purging itself of the rampant corruption that has permeated city government for decades. The problem is that there's so little left to work with. No jobs, no skills, no tax base, no nuthin', and a city council still apparently determined to destroy whatever tiny glimmers of life still remain, like running the International Auto Show out of town because partnering with the suburbs to save it is "a plot by racists to take over what's ours!" The boom can't fall on the rest of the city council fast enough; all but one or two of them belong in jail with Monica Conyers and Kwame Kilpatrick (although Kwame is already out, and if he were to run for Mayor again he would probably win).
| 779 |
karmic_inquisitor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:44:58am |
If people think that Obama is using E-Fink simply to stamp out disinformation, consider this:
When you are one of the parties arguing a case, you don't get to be judge too.
Except in Iran.
Obama gets to present his case and then judge what information is disinformation.
If this were factcheck.org asking for people to submit crap they have read I'd say "Bravo". But this isn't factcheck.org. Obama continually uses strawmen and other logical falicies in his speeches - he is supposed to lecture us on disinformation?
Add to this the fact that there are several bills floating around in congress, so the Administration has and will continue to argue that pointed criticisms are either "false", "misinformed" or "premature".
Obama doesn't get to be arbiter of truth here, and his quote from yesterday points out that he isn't particularly interested in hearing other points of view.
| 781 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:45:19am |
re: #709 cronus
Morning Lizards. Helping a friend find an apartment and came across this description for a unit on Craigslist:
That deserves a Fail Blog mention.
| 782 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:45:29am |
re: #776 SasquatchOnSteroids
The spring winds tighter. Lefty association, lefty friends, lefty Czars, lefty, lefty, lefty.
But he's a moderate. Sheesh.
He's not even a moderate lefty.
| 783 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:46:01am |
re: #757 Cato the Elder
Sarcasm is my default mode...
I am working on achieving a state of SarcaZen.
| 784 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:46:06am |
re: #773 turn
Exactly why I fear them, and their perception is not predictable unlike the other dogs you mentioned.
GGT's point about physical control of the dog is well taken. But any dog, properly trained, can be controlled by a much weaker human. By the same token, you'd be surprised the damage a smaller, weaker dog can do if it loses control. Just ask Jacques Chirac.
Pit bulls are trained by assholes to be vicious. There is nothing in their DNA that makes them so.
| 785 |
jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:46:24am |
Hey Walter, did you read the article on Pelosi's visit in the Post this morning? Sort of changing her tune a bit...
"This is called the legislative process," she said during a brief question-and-answer period after touring the Stout Street Clinic in downtown Denver. "There are differences of opinions. This is the democratic process. . . . This is a very big initiative, to change health care in America."
I thought the opposers were "mobs"?
lol
| 786 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:46:29am |
| 787 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:46:51am |
re: #723 wahabicorridor
With the right owner/trainer Pits are magnificent animals (the breed is really called American Stafordshire Terrier).
The dog that should absolutely be bread out of existence is the Presaro Canario
I've heard that too but I still don't trust them. That Presa Canario looks just like a pit to me. Are both both pits and those dogs used for fighting?
| 788 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:47:12am |
re: #777 MandyManners
Summer vacation ended last night at midnight--today is the first day of school. He is very disappoited that 4th grade only has one recess. When I told him that there is no recess in the higher grades, he said that he'll just flunk this grade over and over.
No camp this year. He's a bit too young.
He'll love college, when starting the day at 10:00 to take three classes counts as a "heavy" workload.
| 789 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:47:12am |
re: #767 wahabicorridor
Which is why we have a beagle instead of a Rottie
Beagles are a huge risk for trippping accidents. /woof.
| 790 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:47:14am |
re: #728 realwest
Morning real!
I wouldn't say that the seasonally adjusted rates are good news. If you look at the unadjusted rates, and the fact that the economy simply isn't creating jobs, we're seeing the product of the fact that businesses simply don't have more jobs left to cut.
| 792 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:47:34am |
re: #732 FrogMarch
"He and his band of left-wing progressives and business-killing union thugs are scaring the shit out of the populous. Our president tends to inspire dread and paranoia."
Well see, part of the problem and why Peggy Noonan (who doesn't say it but certainly recognizes it) is that a goodly sized portion of the population of America won't be scared or put off by thugs of any kind and will fight back. That is and should truly be the fear for all Americans.
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Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:48:00am |
re: #777 MandyManners
Summer vacation ended last night at midnight--today is the first day of school. He is very disappoited that 4th grade only has one recess. When I told him that there is no recess in the higher grades, he said that he'll just flunk this grade over and over.
No camp this year. He's a bit too young.
The young man has quite a sense of humor. Wonder where he got that from? Hmmm.. Sounds like he's quite a little character.
| 794 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:48:31am |
re: #786 Mad Al-Jaffee
It's what plants crave.
I fully expect President Obama to take a page from President Camacho in his State of The Union address: "Shit, people. I know we in some serious shit here..."
| 795 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:48:35am |
| 796 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:48:50am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:49:33am |
re: #785 jjmckay1216
Hey Walter, did you read the article on Pelosi's visit in the Post this morning? Sort of changing her tune a bit...
"This is called the legislative process," she said during a brief question-and-answer period after touring the Stout Street Clinic in downtown Denver. "There are differences of opinions. This is the democratic process. . . . This is a very big initiative, to change health care in America."
I thought the opposers were "mobs"?
lol
Yes I did. She has changed her tune a bit because they know that they already blew their wad on using that bit of Newspeak, and it wasn't flying in all markets.
And it was a smart choice, talking about health care at a homeless shelter. Who doesn't have some concern with the health of homeless.
Maybe she should have held the meeting at Level 3 Communications or someplace like that and see the reaction.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:50:02am |
re: #785 jjmckay1216
Hey Walter, did you read the article on Pelosi's visit in the Post this morning? Sort of changing her tune a bit...
"This is called the legislative process," she said during a brief question-and-answer period after touring the Stout Street Clinic in downtown Denver. "There are differences of opinions. This is the democratic process. . . . This is a very big initiative, to change health care in America."
I thought the opposers were "mobs"?
lol
What the fuck is she doing in Denver?! Why isn't she in her own district?
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:50:05am |
re: #738 Cato the Elder
LOL. "The populous."
Population, people, the folks, hard-working stiffs, dudes, chicks, low-lives, evil kapitlaist scum. "die rebel scum."
| 800 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:50:16am |
re: #785 jjmckay1216
Hey Walter, did you read the article on Pelosi's visit in the Post this morning? Sort of changing her tune a bit...
"This is called the legislative process," she said during a brief question-and-answer period after touring the Stout Street Clinic in downtown Denver. "There are differences of opinions. This is the democratic process. . . . This is a very big initiative, to change health care in America."
I thought the opposers were "mobs"?
lol
For the Lizards...
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:50:43am |
re: #798 MandyManners
What the fuck is she doing in Denver?! Why isn't she in her own district?
Leaving cooties.
///
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justabill Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:50:53am |
re: #736 SixDegrees
There are movements to do that. There are also a lot of problems, ranging from demolition and ownership issues to zoning ordinances to soil pollution and a proliferation of pests a poorly tended garden can bring. And many of these projects wind up that way - they get a big sendoff, then interest fades almost instantly and you wind up with an urban weed patch.
At the moment, there are NO grocery store chains within Detroit city limits. Not one. Obtaining decent food at a decent price is literally impossible unless you have transportation out of the city and back. Growing food locally would be a welcome benefit, but so far it just hasn't worked out.
This is completely insane, and all I hear on TV/Internet is that the corporations are somehow evil for not having stores there.
I really don't understand why there are no stores there. It would seem to me there would have to be a good reason that no major chain would set up shop in a high population area, even one with low income. Is the crime rate so high that opening a store would be too much of a risk? Are rules about setting up unions so bad that finding help would be cost prohibitive? There is something going on here that we are not hearing about...
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:51:07am |
re: #788 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
He'll love college, when starting the day at 10:00 to take three classes counts as a "heavy" workload.
Hey, I arrranged my schedule around the time I needed to wash my butt-lenght hair.
| 804 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:51:36am |
Wait a minute. Schools are starting the first week of August now?
Is that for the benefit of the students or the convenience of the parents?
No white shoes after Labor Day. No school before it. Them's the rules. ;^)
| 805 |
jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:51:48am |
re: #798 MandyManners
What the fuck is she doing in Denver?! Why isn't she in her own district?
there aren't any homeless in her district
/
| 806 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:51:48am |
re: #761 FrogMarch
Hey FrogMarch - you'll please notice that I said:
"even if the Health Care Bill is GOOD for America..." I didn't say it would be, I said IF it is.
| 807 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:52:12am |
re: #793 Bobblehead
The young man has quite a sense of humor. Wonder where he got that from? Hmmm.. Sounds like he's quite a little character.
Oh, I know the maternity ward didn't send me home with the wrong bundle.
| 808 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:52:22am |
re: #802 justabill
Is the crime rate so high that opening a store would be too much of a risk?
Bingo.
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:52:25am |
re: #732 FrogMarch
He and his band of left-wing progressives and business-killing union thugs are scaring the shit out of the populous. Our president tends to inspire dread and paranoia.
Even gentle moderate Peggy Noonan sees it.
Nice find! I think she's summed it up quite well.
| 810 |
jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:52:26am |
re: #800 Walter L. Newton
nice pics of a lib ripping a poster out of the hand of someone not liking the healthcare bill
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:52:27am |
re: #771 MandyManners
As eschew_obfuscation noted in No. 748, there would be a shit-storm of resistance.
Maybe, but that doesn't stop his ability to actually do it.
| 812 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:52:36am |
re: #787 turn
I've heard that too but I still don't trust them. That Presa Canario looks just like a pit to me. Are both both pits and those dogs used for fighting?
No one is quite sure how the Presa was developed, altho Mastif is certainly in there. These dogs were developed in Spain so the american Pit is probably not there, but an ancestral line may be.
Supposedly they were bred for herding. Unless the environment involves bears and/or wolves I don't see the suitability. They are absolutely insaned killing machines. I would shoot one on sight.
| 813 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:52:41am |
re: #798 MandyManners
What the fuck is she doing in Denver?! Why isn't she in her own district?
It looks like the supporters were the mob yesterday...
"A supporter of health care reform, left, who did not want to give her name, pushes forward to rip a sign out of Kris McLay's hands outside the Stout Street Clintic visited by Nancy Pelosi. (THE DENVER POST %P% RJ SANGOSTI)"
And look at the supporters sign versus the anti-health care protestor.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
| 814 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:52:45am |
re: #796 SasquatchOnSteroids
Ya think ? Just gettin' my vent on.
Is that the political equivalent of getting jiggy?
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FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:53:32am |
re: #800 Walter L. Newton
For the Lizards...
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
I Notice the photo and caption:
"A supporter of health care reform, left, who did not want to give her name, pushes forward to rip a sign out of Kris McLay's hands outside the Stout Street Clintic visited by Nancy Pelosi."
So an Obama supporter with a nice professional corporate sign - is clearly attempting to rip the home-made anti-Pelosi sign out of her hands.
Hope and change.
| 816 |
justabill Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:53:32am |
re: #779 karmic_inquisitor
If people think that Obama is using E-Fink simply to stamp out disinformation, consider this:
When you are one of the parties arguing a case, you don't get to be judge too.
Except in Iran.
Obama gets to present his case and then judge what information is disinformation.
If this were factcheck.org asking for people to submit crap they have read I'd say "Bravo". But this isn't factcheck.org. Obama continually uses strawmen and other logical falicies in his speeches - he is supposed to lecture us on disinformation?Add to this the fact that there are several bills floating around in congress, so the Administration has and will continue to argue that pointed criticisms are either "false", "misinformed" or "premature".
Obama doesn't get to be arbiter of truth here, and his quote from yesterday points out that he isn't particularly interested in hearing other points of view.
Sacrilege! I am reporting you.
| 817 |
esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:53:47am |
re: #802 justabill
Is the crime rate so high that opening a store would be too much of a risk?
Nailed it. Between the necessary security, liability risk, shoplifting, vandalism etc., it's just not profitable to run groceries in high crime areas. I've seen it happen a number of times.
| 819 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:53:54am |
re: #799 FrogMarch
Population, people, the folks, hard-working stiffs, dudes, chicks, low-lives, evil kapitlaist scum. "die rebel scum."
Oh. You're talking about the populace.
| 820 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:54:08am |
re: #791 jill e
I'm still somewhat skeptical, but the fact that this particular airstrike was directed at Mehsud and apparently took out several of his relatives, makes a familial succession more unlikely.
That's how Baitullah rose to power in the first place.
| 821 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:54:25am |
| 822 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:54:42am |
| 823 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:54:43am |
| 824 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:54:55am |
re: #805 jjmckay1216
there aren't any homeless in her district
/
They're known as "Domicilely-challenged" over there.
| 825 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:55:00am |
re: #807 MandyManners
Oh, I know the maternity ward didn't send me home with the wrong bundle.
He obviously put some thought into the "no recess" problem. I believe his solution could work.
| 826 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:55:05am |
re: #810 jjmckay1216
nice pics of a lib ripping a poster out of the hand of someone not liking the healthcare bill
Well, now we know why Pelosi didn't use the word "mob" to explain the health care protestors. It appears that the "mob" was comprised of her own progressive supporters.
Priceless.
| 827 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:55:32am |
re: #794 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I fully expect President Obama to take a page from President Camacho in his State of The Union address: "Shit, people. I know we in some serious shit here..."
"Yeah, I got a solution, you're a dick! South Carolina, what's up!"
| 828 |
jill e Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:55:47am |
From Investors Business Daily on Russia's new initiative to drill for oil in the Caribbean:
Two Russian nuclear attack submarines have taken up positions along our East Coast in recent days, another sign of renewed assertiveness by the former communist giant. The move comes as Moscow inks a deal with the communist relic of Cuba to drill for oil we refuse to go after. ...
Drilling will be done off America's coast soon enough. But thanks to a treaty signed by President Carter, the new oil and gas resources that will be discovered in the region will be discovered by Russia and Cuba to their economic benefit.
Normally, economic zones extend 200 miles off a country's coastline. In some cases, conflicts can arise based on resources and geography. In 1977, Carter signed a treaty with Cuba that essentially split the difference and created for the communist country an "exclusive economic zone" extending from the western tip of Cuba north virtually to Key West. Cuba has divided its side of the Florida Straits into 59 parcels and put them up for lease.
Foreign countries, including China and India, have acquired the rights to develop 16 of them.
"This is the irony of ironies," complained Charles Drevna, executive vice president of the National Petrochemical & Refiners Association. "We have chosen to lock up our resources and stand by to be spectators while these two come in and benefit from things right in our own backyard." ...
It is certain that at least some of Cuba's wells will tap oil pools that straddle the boundary separating our zone from Cuba's. In other words, Havana will get oil that should be ours. ... If Russia, Cuba and others can drill off the coast of Florida, why can't we?
| 829 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:55:55am |
re: #798 MandyManners
What the fuck is she doing in Denver?! Why isn't she in her own district?
She's visiting the Denver Airport and drawing on her alien reservists. /
| 830 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:56:34am |
re: #790 lawhawk
Ah, thank you for that lawhawk - I didn't hear or see that before now - and good morning to you too!
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turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:56:47am |
re: #784 Cato the Elder
GGT's point about physical control of the dog is well taken. But any dog, properly trained, can be controlled by a much weaker human. By the same token, you'd be surprised the damage a smaller, weaker dog can do if it loses control. Just ask Jacques Chirac.
Pit bulls are trained by assholes to be vicious. There is nothing in their DNA that makes them so.
I'm not convinced of that Cato. oh I must have missed that piece of news
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 832 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:56:48am |
If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin it's probably Obama
h/t Angel in the spinoffs
| 833 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:57:12am |
re: #802 justabill
I really don't understand why there are no stores there. It would seem to me there would have to be a good reason that no major chain would set up shop in a high population area, even one with low income. Is the crime rate so high that opening a store would be too much of a risk? Are rules about setting up unions so bad that finding help would be cost prohibitive? There is something going on here that we are not hearing about...
You're on to something there for Chicago, but it doesn't apply to Detroit. Chicago has been pushing against a WalMart grocery store in the city limits due to their non-union policy and the fact that Daley needs the unions to get the 2016 Olympics.
We've got a chain here in the great lakes area that is unionized and Detroit has plenty of room and I know they've been trying to get a store in, but I don't know all the details or why it hasn't happened.
| 834 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:57:15am |
re: #804 Cato the Elder
Wait a minute. Schools are starting the first week of August now?
Is that for the benefit of the students or the convenience of the parents?
No white shoes after Labor Day. No school before it. Them's the rules. ;^)
It's a highly competitve school--first graders are tested on their knowledge level before they can be admitted. If they don't score high enough, the school will not accept them.
| 835 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:57:41am |
re: #817 esch
Nailed it. Between the necessary security, liability risk, shoplifting, vandalism etc., it's just not profitable to run groceries in high crime areas. I've seen it happen a number of times.
But Six Degrees wasn't talking about high crime neighborhoods - he stated that there were no chain grocery stores in Detroit at all. I know Detroit has seen better days, but the whole city can't be some sort of post-apocalyptic war zone. So why are there no chain stores anywhere in Detroit?
| 836 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:58:00am |
re: #829 DaddyG
She's visiting the Denver Airport and drawing on her alien reservists. /
Yep, and she's got tons of 'em. Stacked a Mile High.
| 837 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:58:19am |
re: #805 jjmckay1216
there aren't any homeless in her district
/
Seeing homeless people--especially vets--when I move to Seattle was one of the first steps in my becoming a card-carrying member of the CPUSA.
| 838 |
lincolntf Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:58:37am |
Morning all.
I see the President is still pouting about how hard his job is. What a wuss.
| 839 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:58:41am |
| 840 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:59:06am |
re: #811 turn
Maybe, but that doesn't stop his ability to actually do it.
I don't think he could get it through Congress and I don't think he could do it by Executive Order.
| 842 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:59:07am |
re: #812 wahabicorridor
No one is quite sure how the Presa was developed, altho Mastif is certainly in there. These dogs were developed in Spain so the american Pit is probably not there, but an ancestral line may be.
Supposedly they were bred for herding. Unless the environment involves bears and/or wolves I don't see the suitability. They are absolutely insaned killing machines. I would shoot one on sight.
It would probably take more than one bullet, man they look mean.
| 843 |
johnnyreb Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:59:08am |
re: #817 esch
Nailed it. Between the necessary security, liability risk, shoplifting, vandalism etc., it's just not profitable to run groceries in high crime areas. I've seen it happen a number of times.
We went downtown one night back in the late 80s or early 90s when they had the big revival of downtown Detroit and made all those fancy shops and restaurants. We went to some greek place had dinner and I wanted to go have a drink by my bro in law said we had to be out of downtown before 10 or so because of the tremendous amount of crime in the "revived" area.
| 844 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:59:15am |
re: #831 turn
Remember Michael Vick's dogs. They've been able to redeem almost all of them. I think they had to put down only 3 and that was mostly because they were so badly injured. Some have even been placed in NORMAL homes with kids.
| 845 |
justabill Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:59:20am |
re: #817 esch
Nailed it. Between the necessary security, liability risk, shoplifting, vandalism etc., it's just not profitable to run groceries in high crime areas. I've seen it happen a number of times.
So the mom and pop shops can compete in areas where the big boys can't because they are not as big a lawsuite target and thus can be less hindered by in corporate policies for dealing with crime? Interesting...
| 846 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:59:27am |
re: #839 Mad Al-Jaffee
She looks kinda like Michael Jackson in that photo.
Or a vision of Sarah Palin in twenty years.
| 847 |
esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:59:37am |
re: #813 Walter L. Newton
It looks like the supporters were the mob yesterday...
"A supporter of health care reform, left, who did not want to give her name, pushes forward to rip a sign out of Kris McLay's hands outside the Stout Street Clintic visited by Nancy Pelosi. (THE DENVER POST %P% RJ SANGOSTI)"
And look at the supporters sign versus the anti-health care protestor.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
That's how it'll start.
If somebody tried to do that to my wife/daughter they'd be on the ground. No more than that, mind you, but I consider that to be robbery, if not assault.
And notice, it's ALWAYS the lefties doing this crap. In the slap photo from Tampa, it's the lefty slapping the conservative. Read the comments.
| 848 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 7:59:55am |
re: #802 justabill
This is completely insane, and all I hear on TV/Internet is that the corporations are somehow evil for not having stores there.
I really don't understand why there are no stores there. It would seem to me there would have to be a good reason that no major chain would set up shop in a high population area, even one with low income. Is the crime rate so high that opening a store would be too much of a risk? Are rules about setting up unions so bad that finding help would be cost prohibitive? There is something going on here that we are not hearing about...
It's a complicated problem, but it boils down to a city that has adopted a whole raft of stupid policies over the years, on top of crushing unemployment and high crime rates. The city requires that any business operating there pay a minimum wage of $9.50 an hour - if they provide full medical and other benefits. The wage requirement jumps to $14.50 an hour if you don't offer benefits. Workers in the city are charged a city income tax, whether they live there or not (non-residents are charged half what residents are, but they don't get half a vote on how their taxes are spent.); business taxes are crushingly high, insurance of all kinds is even higher. High crime rates demand 24-hour security on any facility housing anything of value. The list goes on - this is just a glimpse of the problem.
Most large grocery chains have a business model that eakes out a very small profit - it's an extremely competitive business. The additional costs imposed by all these factors breaks that model, and there are plenty of other markets where the model works, so it's easiest to just avoid the problem and not do business where doing business doesn't make any sense.
In fairness, there's a large, loosely-affiliated network of independent groceries operated by Chaldeans. After taking on the risks and uncertain rewards of doing business in marginal and worse areas, they are widely condemned as "racists" and worse. Not surprisingly, they have expanded their efforts into the suburbs - where they operate profitable, specialty markets, and where they are welcomed - and will probably wind up bailing on the city as well and conditions continue to deteriorate.
| 849 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:00:26am |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
Well, now we know why Pelosi didn't use the word "mob" to explain the health care protestors. It appears that the "mob" was comprised of her own progressive supporters.
Priceless.
and then the evil corporate Rethuglican says:
Republican U.S. Rep. Mike Coffman, from Aurora, said in a statement, "Mrs. Pelosi and her Democrat colleagues yet again failed to explain how they plan to pay for their trillion-dollar government takeover of our health care system."
/Oh my - that's out of line.
| 850 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:00:32am |
re: #813 Walter L. Newton
It looks like the supporters were the mob yesterday...
"A supporter of health care reform, left, who did not want to give her name, pushes forward to rip a sign out of Kris McLay's hands outside the Stout Street Clintic visited by Nancy Pelosi. (THE DENVER POST %P% RJ SANGOSTI)"
And look at the supporters sign versus the anti-health care protestor.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
Rabid.
| 851 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:00:42am |
re: #818 buzzsawmonkey
Washington Post columnist Steven Pearlstein plays both ends against the middle defending Obamacare...
The recent attacks by Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers on the effort to reform the health-care system have been so misleading, so disingenuous, that they could only spring from a cynical effort to gain partisan political advantage. By poisoning the political well, they've given up any pretense of being the loyal opposition. They've become political terrorists, willing to say or do anything to prevent the country from reaching a consensus on one of its most serious domestic problems.
Nice.
| 852 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:00:50am |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
Well, now we know why Pelosi didn't use the word "mob" to explain the health care protestors. It appears that the "mob" was comprised of her own progressive supporters.
Priceless.
I know I'm having fun...somebody's getting pissy...when the situation gets charged up like this look for someone to make a mistake, a big one...very likely Pelosi...they flirted with disaster and they may just get it
| 853 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:00:54am |
Why is Mel Martinez retiring ahead of time?!
| 854 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:01:01am |
re: #833 Spenser (with an S)
Chicago has been pushing against a WalMart grocery store in the city limits due to their non-union policy
speaking of unions - William Longeness on Fox earlier was in Calif talking about the paperwork to get stimulus funds. Turns out if you don't want to use union workers, the workers you DO use must pay dues into the union pension funds anyway.
| 855 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:01:03am |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
Well, now we know why Pelosi didn't use the word "mob" to explain the health care protestors. It appears that the "mob" was comprised of her own progressive supporters.
Priceless.
This is a prime example of shooting oneself in the foot. The progressives set up a false flag operation, trying to paint all those against this health care proposal as radical and "mobs."
But, it's always the natural tendency of progressives to get in your face at public gatherings, so, suddenly, the progressive themselves can't manage to stand back and let the spin do it's job and they blow it by scuffing up some conservatives.
This will continue to happen. It is a natural state of mind for a progressive to treat their opposition like this. We've seen it in the past and it's not going to stop in the future.
There are too many people, on both sides, who are concerned with this health care proposal. Even many who support the general idea have problems with some of the concepts put forth.
The progressives better realize that they may have "won" the battle, but the war is not over, and they don't have everyone on their side, even many of their own.
Tragic isn't it?
| 856 |
KenJen Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:01:31am |
Here's my definition of a mob. School children at a back-to-school concert on the waterfront in Louisville. They had the same problems last year. Police called all available units to the scene.
| 857 |
eschew_obfuscation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:01:32am |
re: #793 Bobblehead
The young man has quite a sense of humor. Wonder where he got that from? Hmmm.. Sounds like he's quite a little character.
I'd just be concerned that he might suggest that MM should do something untoward with a rope ;-)
| 858 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:01:55am |
re: #825 Bobblehead
He obviously put some thought into the "no recess" problem. I believe his solution could work.
No, it won't. I am not paying $10,000.00 for him to repeat a grade.
| 859 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:01am |
re: #798 MandyManners
What the fuck is she doing in Denver?! Why isn't she in her own district?
They are drawn here and trust me, we don't like it either.
| 860 |
esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:15am |
re: #835 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Well it was my understanding that the whole city was pretty high crime, high unemployment. Certainly people have tried it and given up.
You're correct there probably is more to it.
| 861 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:33am |
| 862 |
redstateredneck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:37am |
re: #714 ggt
Pit Bulls get such a bad rap. A well-bred, well-trained pit is a wonderful dog. The downside is they have the capability to annihilate anyone who threatens what it perceives as it's family.
I'll never have a pit because I won't have a dog I cannot physically control. A Great Dane I could knock the legs out from under, a German Shepherd I could tackle and knock down. A Pit-Bull is a tank of a dog. Their center-of- gravity and sheer dense strength would make either of the above senerios impossible. I couldn't even get thru the neck muscles with my fingernails to make any impact.
My daughter points out to me that my old dachshund, Sugarman, has a more aggressive personality that the Pit, but I told her if Sugarman goes off on you, you're not going to die from the injuries. The Pit, OTOH, would be a different story.
| 863 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:44am |
More classy behavior from the moonbats:
[Link: radioequalizer.blogspot.com...]
| 864 |
Gang of One Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:52am |
re: #846 Cato the Elder
Or a vision of Sarah Palin in twenty years.
You just can't help yourself, can you?
| 865 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:55am |
re: #835 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
But Six Degrees wasn't talking about high crime neighborhoods - he stated that there were no chain grocery stores in Detroit at all. I know Detroit has seen better days, but the whole city can't be some sort of post-apocalyptic war zone. So why are there no chain stores anywhere in Detroit?
yes it can
| 866 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:55am |
re: #841 buzzsawmonkey
On NPR's "The Takeaway" program they were looking for signs of recovery in the economy by looking at the rates of shoe repair and pet adoption. No kidding; they really were.
How much longer before they just go straight to tea leaves and messing around with the entrails of goats and sheep?
Were they saying that more shoe repairs = economic recovery? Because I've gotten my shoes repaired recently since I can't afford to buy new ones.
| 867 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02:57am |
re: #804 Cato the Elder
Wait a minute. Schools are starting the first week of August now?
Is that for the benefit of the students or the convenience of the parents?
No white shoes after Labor Day. No school before it. Them's the rules. ;^)
I've been living in Atlanta for 11 years now. Scholls here have always started 1st to 2nd week of August (August 12th was the latest 1st day since i've been here)
OTOH,,, they get out for summer vacation 2nd - 3rd week of May, instead of end of June like it was back in Boston
| 868 |
redstateredneck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:03:51am |
| 871 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:05:08am |
re: #854 wahabicorridor
speaking of unions - William Longeness on Fox earlier was in Calif talking about the paperwork to get stimulus funds. Turns out if you don't want to use union workers, the workers you DO use must pay dues into the union pension funds anyway.
Seriously?! What color is the sky in these idiot's world?
/cc; flag@whitehouse.gov
| 872 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:05:13am |
re: #806 realwest
Hey FrogMarch - you'll please notice that I said:
"even if the Health Care Bill is GOOD for America..." I didn't say it would be, I said IF it is.
No worries - I see that!
During a time of economic downturn, attempting to redistribute more is a really bad idea. They need to go back to the drawing board. If we look at socialized medicine in other nations, it's generally lousy - especially for those who really need serious treatments.
| 873 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:05:23am |
re: #840 MandyManners
I don't think he could get it through Congress and I don't think he could do it by Executive Order.
re: #844 wahabicorridor
Remember Michael Vick's dogs. They've been able to redeem almost all of them. I think they had to put down only 3 and that was mostly because they were so badly injured. Some have even been placed in NORMAL homes with kids.
I thought read somewhere that that decision fell under the FCC which he has the pow err to appoint people to. Maybe I'm wrong again (sigh)
Really, well I'm not interested in adopting one. Hey were Vick's dogs those Presa or pits?
oh this is going to be a twofer post, the auto thingy mess me up again.
| 874 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:05:33am |
re: #845 justabill
So the mom and pop shops can compete in areas where the big boys can't because they are not as big a lawsuite target and thus can be less hindered by in corporate policies for dealing with crime? Interesting...
Also, the mom-and-pop places can focus on items with huge markups - chips, expensive prepared foods and so on. Actual grocery stores that sell basic ingredients like meat and vegetables operate on a razor-thin profit margin, and have a much harder time making money once all the additional costs of doing business in the city are added in.
| 876 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:05:36am |
re: #831 turn
I'm not convinced of that Cato. oh I must have missed that piece of news
[Link: www.google.com...]
Any reputable vet will tell you it's not the dog, it's the training. Why are German Shepherds, Doberman Pinschers, Akita Inus, and my little Jindo all acceptable pets AND excellent, scary guard dogs? Because of how they're raised.
Pits are no different. First of all they should be given their proper name, and second, the dicks who train them to fight should be enclosed in a cage with their rivals' dogs until they beg for mercy or die.
That is all.
| 877 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:05:43am |
| 878 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:06:03am |
re: #858 MandyManners
No, it won't. I am not paying $10,000.00 for him to repeat a grade.
Just like a mom to put a wrench in the works. LOL
| 879 |
onslow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:06:29am |
| 880 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:06:50am |
| 881 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:07:00am |
re: #866 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I think it's an inverse relationship - fewer shoe sales points to economic recovery because people would be more willing to buy new shoes if they have disposable income.
It would be a direct relationship between pet adoptions and economic recovery. The more people think they have disposable income, the more likely they'll be to spend on items such as that.
| 882 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:07:22am |
re: #871 Spenser (with an S)
Seriously?! What color is the sky in these idiot's world?
/cc; flag@whitehouse.gov
Actually, I DO remember Obama coming out and saying anyone who wanted stimulus $ for jobs had to give unions first dibs or something like that. It apparently made it into the legislation.
| 884 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:08:03am |
re: #864 Gang of One
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Oh. Right. It's "mysogenist" to say anything mean about Sarah's appearance, but Nancy is fair game.
Sorry. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gosling.
| 885 |
njdhockeyfan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:08:12am |
Fight at Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - Raw Video (8/6/09)
Obamacare protesters attacked by SEIU thugs.
| 886 |
lincolntf Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:08:25am |
re: #850 MandyManners
More screaming and violence in that one pic than in all the Tea Parties I've seen combined. Wonder if this lady will be considered representative of the howling extremists that make up the pro-Nationalized Health Care activists? I kinda doubt it.
| 887 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:08:30am |
| 889 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:10:09am |
re: #880 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
re: #871 Spenser (with an S)
Seriously?! What color is the sky in these idiot's world?
/cc; flag@whitehouse.gov
Blue - the same as the grass, the trees, the people...
Strange... when I pulled up your link my computer started playing the Imperial March from Star Wars. Creepy.
| 890 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:10:22am |
re: #849 FrogMarch
"Republican U.S. Rep. Mike Coffman, from Aurora, said in a statement, "Mrs. Pelosi and her Democrat colleagues yet again failed to explain how they plan to pay for their trillion-dollar government takeover of our health care system."
/Oh my - that's out of line."
VAT's that you say?!?
| 891 |
justabill Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:10:56am |
re: #848 SixDegrees
Chaldeans, like the early Christians???
Who'da thunk?
| 892 |
jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:11:05am |
bbiab have to write a sports update..damn work, huh??
| 893 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:11:10am |
re: #879 onslow
Problem. Gov. Charlie Christ has to replace Matrinez. Christ is running for the spot in 2010. Bet a dollar he doesn't replace Martinez with a guy named Marco Rubio.
| 894 |
Gang of One Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:11:46am |
re: #884 Cato the Elder
Oh. Right. It's "mysogenist" to say anything mean about Sarah's appearance, but Nancy is fair game.
Sorry. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gosling.
What. Ever.
| 895 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:12:03am |
re: #881 lawhawk
Morning LAW.
Interesting news on the CRC program just came out. Seems as if the gov't is cooking the books to show that it's smaller (i.e. "green") cars that people are buying to make it look like the program is a "success"
Nuh Uh,,, according to EDMUNDS it's trucks and crossover SUV's
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
Please pass this on to our pal Avanti if you see him
Also, several dealers in the Atlanta area have pulled the plug on the program. Seems as if they've been doing everything according to gov't mandate, but have as yet not seen one dime of stimulus/ rebate/ CFC FROM the gov't. One owner with multiple large dealerships stated the gov't owes him just shy of a MILLION dollars
| 896 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:12:16am |
re: #873 turn
Vicks dogs were Pits.
And to be absolutely honest with you, I wouldn't have one either. I don't have the temperment to give them the discipline they need. The good owners I've known are extremely strict and extremely consistent about it, all while being very gentle. Don't have it in me. And this is from someone who spent an entire summer helping train shepards for the Penna. State Police.
| 897 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:12:36am |
Adolf is back. This time ranting about Obama care and f*cking right wingers.
| 898 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:13:09am |
re: #891 justabill
Chaldeans, like the early Christians???
Iraqi Christians, IIRC, many of whom made it out decades ago.
| 899 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:13:25am |
re: #876 Cato the Elder
Any reputable vet will tell you it's not the dog, it's the training. Why are German Shepherds, Doberman Pinschers, Akita Inus, and my little Jindo all acceptable pets AND excellent, scary guard dogs? Because of how they're raised.
Pits are no different. First of all they should be given their proper name, and second, the dicks who train them to fight should be enclosed in a cage with their rivals' dogs until they beg for mercy or die.
That is all.
I agree with you, I believe either you or I could train one to be a good dog cato, it's all those idjits that should be caged that are responsible for my fear. I see all the dog lovers here dinged ya, ha.
| 900 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:13:55am |
re: #895 sattv4u2
I heard one dealer say they had to fill out 19 pdf forms for each deal.
| 901 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:14:06am |
OT:
NOAA posts that they're now expecting a near- to below normal hurricane season in the Atlantic due to El Nino effects. Vigilance is still required since August-September are the height of the season.
NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center, a division of the National Weather Service, now predicts a 50 percent probability of a near-normal season, a 40 percent probability of a below-normal season, and a 10 percent probability of an above-normal season. Forecasters say there is a 70 percent chance of seven to 11 named storms, of which three to six could become hurricanes, including one to two major hurricanes (category 3, 4 or 5).
Remember, it takes only one of these hurricanes to do massive damage, so if you're in coastal areas, it's a good idea to make sure your go-bag is prepared and that you've got sufficient provisions to make do for several days without outside assistance.
| 902 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:14:53am |
NashuaDan and his brush with reality...oops!
[Link: www.nashuatelegraph.com...]
| 904 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:15:05am |
re: #900 wahabicorridor
I heard one dealer say they had to fill out 19 pdf forms for each deal.
Warm up act for the hoops you and doctors will have to go through to have your temperature taken under Obama Care
| 905 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:15:10am |
re: #892 jjmckay1216
bbiab have to write a sports update..damn work, huh??
Is jjmckay1216 truly Jim McKay, sports guy?
/Don't want to know his secret identity, just had that thought.
| 906 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:15:14am |
re: #891 justabill
Chaldeans, like the early Christians???
Who'da thunk?
Yup, just like that. There's a very large Chaldean community in southeastern Michigan, and they've been around for many, many years. Most originally hail from Iraq and Iran, some from Turkey, but they're united more by their faith than by their country of origin.
| 907 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:15:25am |
re: #896 wahabicorridor
Vicks dogs were Pits.
And to be absolutely honest with you, I wouldn't have one either. I don't have the temperment to give them the discipline they need. The good owners I've known are extremely strict and extremely consistent about it, all while being very gentle. Don't have it in me. And this is from someone who spent an entire summer helping train shepards for the Penna. State Police.
Cato is right, but I'm with you. I have no use for a pit.
| 908 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:15:34am |
re: #891 justabill
Chaldeans, like the early Christians???
Who'da thunk?
Wasn't Abraham from the land of Ur of The Chaldeans?
| 909 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:15:36am |
re: #901 lawhawk
OT:
NOAA posts that they're now expecting a near- to below normal hurricane season in the Atlantic due to El Nino effects. Vigilance is still required since August-September are the height of the season.
Remember, it takes only one of these hurricanes to do massive damage, so if you're in coastal areas, it's a good idea to make sure your go-bag is prepared and that you've got sufficient provisions to make do for several days without outside assistance.
Comrades, praise Obama for this good news!
| 910 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:15:53am |
re: #872 FrogMarch
Well hell FrogMarch - why leave it at socialized medicine. Point out to me ONE country which is faring
well under socialism. Just one.
| 911 |
njdhockeyfan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:16:09am |
re: #901 lawhawk
I thought Gorebal Warming was supposed to create a huge number of hurricanes.
| 912 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:17:14am |
re: #911 njdhockeyfan
I thought Gorebal Warming was supposed to create a huge number of hurricanes.
It also creates record low numbers of hurricanes. Global Warming - the one-size-fits-all hysteria!
| 913 |
saberry0530 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:17:26am |
re: #911 njdhockeyfan
I thought Gorebal Warming was supposed to create a huge number of hurricanes.
YEs , you are correct . But only in years when there are more hurricanes.
/
| 914 |
kynna Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:17:28am |
re: #876 Cato the Elder
Any reputable vet will tell you it's not the dog, it's the training. Why are German Shepherds, Doberman Pinschers, Akita Inus, and my little Jindo all acceptable pets AND excellent, scary guard dogs? Because of how they're raised.
Pits are no different. First of all they should be given their proper name, and second, the dicks who train them to fight should be enclosed in a cage with their rivals' dogs until they beg for mercy or die.
That is all.
I totally agree with you.
I still don't like big dogs around my kids. And anyone who tells me 'he/she's very gentle with kids' as their big ol' mutt tries to sniff out my kid's face gets the stink eye.
Good morning, lizards. :D
| 916 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:17:36am |
re: #911 njdhockeyfan
I thought Gorebal Warming was supposed to create a huge
number of hurricanesBANK ACCOUNT FOR AL GORE.
It did ,, so whatscherproblem!?!?!?!
//
| 917 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:17:41am |
Hey Walter I'm curious, are you anywhere near Colorado Springs or Woodland Park?
| 918 |
midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:17:47am |
New documents show no blood in Casey Anthony's car trunk.
What does this mean? They don't know yet, even so, FOX reports the news.
| 919 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:17:52am |
re: #911 njdhockeyfan
I thought Gorebal Warming was supposed to create a huge number of hurricanes.
And the seas shall rise, and the locusts shall come and eat your Cap'n Trade carbon-free breakfast cereal.
| 920 |
karmic_inquisitor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:18:54am |
re: #895 sattv4u2
Morning LAW.
Interesting news on the CRC program just came out. Seems as if the gov't is cooking the books to show that it's smaller (i.e. "green") cars that people are buying to make it look like the program is a "success"
Nuh Uh,,, according to EDMUNDS it's trucks and crossover SUV's
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
Please pass this on to our pal Avanti if you see him
Also, several dealers in the Atlanta area have pulled the plug on the program. Seems as if they've been doing everything according to gov't mandate, but have as yet not seen one dime of stimulus/ rebate/ CFC FROM the gov't. One owner with multiple large dealerships stated the gov't owes him just shy of a MILLION dollars
So, according to the article, the Obama Administration figured out how to report the numbers so as to hide the fact that more trucks and SUVs are being bought than they'd care to admit. They do it by differentiating model sales by transmission/engine types.
By doing that the Ford Focus (with no engine options) appeared to be the top seller when the Ford Escape SUV was.
And these are the people who want to decide what is and isn't "disinformation" in the Health Care debate.
And I am paranoid.
| 921 |
VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:18:58am |
re: #606 legalpad
I was too busy restraining myself to be clever. I was armed, though he didn't know that, and instead of restraining his dog, he was reaching toward our other dog, in hopes to get him to bite him so he could counter-sue. As it was, nobody sued, he just paid the vet bill.
Who is this Blueherron person and why is he stealth down-dinging all the time?
| 922 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:19:07am |
re: #879 onslow
Uh, from your link: "Developing: Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., is resigning, a senior Republican official told FOX News.
He announced earlier this year that he had decided not to seek re-election in 2010."
Well deciding not to run for re-election in 2010 is a LONG way from resigning - so which is it? And why doesn't it say of what party Charlie Christ is a member?!
| 923 |
VegasRick Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:19:10am |
re: #902 albusteve
NashuaDan and his brush with reality...oops!
[Link: www.nashuatelegraph.com...]
A registered user called SLRNashuan posted a comment in reply to NashuaDan on Wednesday afternoon: “Amazing, NashuaDan. All of those words and not one truth! And, by the way, is that a veiled threat ‘Let Obama know what ‘Live Free or Die’ means’ on the President’s life. Just in case, I called it in.”
Fucking WOW!!
| 924 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:19:27am |
re: #870 buzzsawmonkey
Seems to me the first paragraph is a contradiction of the second.
If the gov't is subsidizing the HIE's, eventually it will be run by them.
They can pick and choose who to subsidize with no competition at all. Am I reading that wrong ?
And the underlying tone, spot on.
| 925 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:19:42am |
re: #910 realwest
Well hell FrogMarch - why leave it at socialized medicine. Point out to me ONE country which is faring
well under socialism. Just one.
pop quiz! no fair! ;-)
| 926 |
SFGoth Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:19:54am |
re: #15 Mich-again
Pat should actually read the Constitution sometime. Right after he actually reads the Bible.
In the original Aramaic. Sorry for bumping such an old post. I tend to start from the beginning.
| 927 |
jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:19:56am |
Just heard the Fox Biz report and they said 370,000 jobs were lost. WSJ said 279,000. Who do we believe?
| 928 |
justabill Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:19:58am |
re: #906 SixDegrees
Yup, just like that. There's a very large Chaldean community in southeastern Michigan, and they've been around for many, many years. Most originally hail from Iraq and Iran, some from Turkey, but they're united more by their faith than by their country of origin.
I guess I just assumed that since I hadn't heard anythign about them outside of history books dealing with centuries past, that they had just died out/faded away. Next thing you'll tell me is that the Phonecians are still running global shippiing businesses...
| 929 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:20:24am |
re: #895 sattv4u2
Interesting. So interesting, that I think that's a blog posting when I have some time later.
If you go by the Edmunds data, it shows Ford making out like bandits under the cash for clunkers (4 of 10 make the list). It also shows that GM and Chrysler each have 2 models, with Honda and Toyota having one apiece.
Like you say, the Edmunds data suggests that people may be trading in cars for similarly sized models, not for the truly smaller sized vehicles as the DOT says.
Again, this will have to be compared with the quarterly and final year sales figures to see whether any of this really increased sales, or just shifted them around during the model year.
| 930 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:20:37am |
re: #915 buzzsawmonkey
I can't remember; I was too busy hurling when the "newsperson" excitedly begged the Wall Street shoe repair guy if he would let her see and touch a billionaire's shoes.
No, I am not making that up.
Ohhh-kay. Did she think that she too would become rich if she could just touch his shoes?
| 931 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:21:38am |
re: #914 kynna
I totally agree with you.
I still don't like big dogs around my kids. And anyone who tells me 'he/she's very gentle with kids' as their big ol' mutt tries to sniff out my kid's face gets the stink eye.
Good morning, lizards. :D
When kids look longingly at Haku, I always ask the parents if they can pet the dog.
And I expect parents to have the wit to train their kids to ask first if they meet a strange dog.
| 932 |
acwgusa Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:21:57am |
re: #885 njdhockeyfan
Fight at Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - Raw Video (8/6/09)
Obamacare protesters attacked by SEIU thugs.
Here in lovely Brokefornia, SEIU wanted the state workers to strike due to the furloughs happening every three Fridays now. A lot of the state employees asked SEIU what they were smoking, and if it was medicinal.
| 933 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:22:03am |
re: #921 VioletTiger
Who is this Blueherron person and why is he stealth down-dinging all the time?
What? is it just on the dog posts?
| 934 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:22:06am |
re: #922 realwest
Uh, from your link: "Developing: Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., is resigning, a senior Republican official told FOX News.
He announced earlier this year that he had decided not to seek re-election in 2010."
Well deciding not to run for re-election in 2010 is a LONG way from resigning - so which is it? And why doesn't it say of what party Charlie Christ is a member?!
RW, see my 893.
| 935 |
SFGoth Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:22:24am |
re: #862 redstateredneck
My daughter points out to me that my old dachshund, Sugarman, has a more aggressive personality that the Pit, but I told her if Sugarman goes off on you, you're not going to die from the injuries. The Pit, OTOH, would be a different story.
BTW, if anyone remembers the presa canario dog mauling incident in San Francisco around 7-8 years ago, the landlord had tried to evict the those tenants before the attack, but couldn't b/c of rent control. Funny eh? Tragic. Ironic thing - while the cretins were in jail, they failed to pay their rent and I personally went to the Hall of Justice to have a 3 day pay or quit notice served on them. It was a lot of fun.
| 937 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:22:34am |
re: #927 jjmckay1216
Just heard the Fox Biz report and they said 370,000 jobs were lost. WSJ said 279,000. Who do we believe?
Obama, hey Bama, Bama Bama, ho Bama...
| 938 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:22:45am |
re: #911 njdhockeyfan
I thought Gorebal Warming was supposed to create a huge number of hurricanes.
Behold the power of El Niño and La Niña. Obama may be the One. But he's not The One.
| 939 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:22:54am |
re: #923 VegasRick
A registered user called SLRNashuan posted a comment in reply to NashuaDan on Wednesday afternoon: “Amazing, NashuaDan. All of those words and not one truth! And, by the way, is that a veiled threat ‘Let Obama know what ‘Live Free or Die’ means’ on the President’s life. Just in case, I called it in.”
Fucking WOW!!
yes, it's beginning...people can turn on each other literally...chew on that
| 940 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:23:05am |
re: #927 jjmckay1216
Just heard the Fox Biz report and they said 370,000 jobs were lost. WSJ said 279,000. Who do we believe?
What's important is how many jobs Obama has saved.
/
| 942 |
midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:23:55am |
re: #931 Cato the Elder
When kids look longingly at Haku, I always ask the parents if they can pet the dog.
And I expect parents to have the wit to train their kids to ask first if they meet a strange dog.
There are many dog owners in my area, and when they walk passed with their dog, they all say, "He doesn't bite." So far, they have been correct.
| 943 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:23:55am |
re: #921 VioletTiger
Who is this Blueherron person and why is he stealth down-dinging all the time?
blueherron
Karma: -25
Registered since: Jan 7, 2009 at 4:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 10
No. of links posted: 0
Someone that's more a lurker then anything else.
| 944 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:23:57am |
re: #920 karmic_inquisitor
So, according to the article, the Obama Administration figured out how to report the numbers so as to hide the fact that more trucks and SUVs are being bought than they'd care to admit. They do it by differentiating model sales by transmission/engine types.
By doing that the Ford Focus (with no engine options) appeared to be the top seller when the Ford Escape SUV was.
And these are the people who want to decide what is and isn't "disinformation" in the Health Care debate.
And I am paranoid.
Oh ,,,it's MUCH worse than that
STEP 1,.,,, mandate that plants close for 4-6 weeks (plants closed,, no cars being mad,,, no cars being made,,, inventory on lots not replenished)
STEP 2 ,,, close dealerships (now if someone wants to buy a new car they have a choice of say 3 dealers to go to, intead of 8)
STEP 3 ,, Offer FREE MONEY of you buy a new car
STEP 4 ,,, LOUDLY shout how well the porgram is going evidenced by the fact that DEALERS ARE RUNNING OUT OF INVENTORY
(causation by steps 1 and 3)
STEP 5 ,, LOUDLY shout how EACH DEALER IS SELLING MORE CARS
(causation by steps 2 and 3)
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:24:09am |
re: #914 kynna
I totally agree with you.
I still don't like big dogs around my kids. And anyone who tells me 'he/she's very gentle with kids' as their big ol' mutt tries to sniff out my kid's face gets the stink eye.
Good morning, lizards. :D
I had a St. Bernard that was very friendly and loved everyone. My fiancee has a Maltese that I would never let get near a child.
I would not blame the size of the dog.
| 946 |
lincolntf Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:24:17am |
re: #920 karmic_inquisitor
An instinct to conceal the truth is rapidly becoming the defining characteristic of the Obama Administration. They don't even really care when they get caught. They know the media will cover for them, so they just lie, lie, lie...
You're not paranoid, you're just paying attention.
| 947 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:24:30am |
| 948 |
acwgusa Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:24:43am |
re: #939 albusteve
yes, it's beginning...people can turn on each other literally...chew on that
It's a joke in my household at the moment. We threaten to report each other over anything.
/You burned the toast, I'm reporting you to the White House!
//Oh yeah, we'll you're a bad driver! I'm reporting you to the White House!
///You voted for Mccain! I'm reporting you to the White House!
| 949 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:25:06am |
re: #941 buzzsawmonkey
Maybe touching a billionaire's shoes would heel her.
She can touch my shoes, but I don't think she wants what I have.
| 950 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:25:32am |
| 952 |
itellu3times Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:25:48am |
From Drudge:
OBAMA: 'I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess'...
Besides this being a loverly piece of fascist noise, those are the people who *are* the current healthcare system, and they know the numbers.
Obama don't care 'bout no 'rithmetic, he thinks the numbers will fold to his political will. That's the biggest complaint I have about the man. I guess it's just ironic he gets the nickname Zero.
| 953 |
eschew_obfuscation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:25:49am |
re: #911 njdhockeyfan
I thought Gorebal Warming was supposed to create a huge number of hurricanes.
Heh... I'm actually not sure who's more credible... Algore or hurricane predictors.
| 954 |
SFGoth Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:09am |
re: #945 MrSilverDragon
I had a St. Bernard that was very friendly and loved everyone. My fiancee has a Maltese that I would never let get near a child.
I would not blame the size of the dog.
Do St. Bernards do anything except warp space-time and compel people to pet them? I've a St. B once in my life, outside a cafe in Annandale, Va of all places. It was a rather warm day (70) and that dog was HUGE, docile, and extremely pet-able.
| 955 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:25am |
re: #951 FrogMarch
Harsanyi: Presenting new rules for radicals
If you're a virtuous and patriotic American, you may find this column either offensive or misleading. If so, please forward it to White House authorities at the Department of Fishy Activity. (E-mail the good people at flag@whitehouse.gov.)
As many of you have heard, the White House now requests that the public tattle on those of us spreading "fishy disinformation" regarding Washington's proposed takeover . . . oops, I mean "reform" . . . of your health care. This step, naturally, is for our own good.
Heh.
| 956 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:31am |
re: #948 acwgusa
It's a joke in my household at the moment. We threaten to report each other over anything.
/You burned the toast, I'm reporting you to the White House!
//Oh yeah, we'll you're a bad driver! I'm reporting you to the White House!
///You voted for Mccain! I'm reporting you to the White House!
I wonder how many people have reported the White House to the White House? After all, he's the one spreading the most lies about health care.
| 957 |
onslow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:44am |
re: #922 realwest
It appears he's quitting and will not serve out the rest of his term.
| 958 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:51am |
re: #935 SFGoth
BTW, if anyone remembers the presa canario dog mauling incident in San Francisco around 7-8 years ago, the landlord had tried to evict the those tenants before the attack, but couldn't b/c of rent control. Funny eh? Tragic. Ironic thing - while the cretins were in jail, they failed to pay their rent and I personally went to the Hall of Justice to have a 3 day pay or quit notice served on them. It was a lot of fun.
Yah, the link I posted was about the dogs finally being put down. So, are you a lawyer?
| 959 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:52am |
re: #941 buzzsawmonkey
Maybe touching a billionaire's shoes would heel her.
She just wanted to be a sole mate.
| 960 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:27:00am |
re: #935 SFGoth
BTW, if anyone remembers the presa canario dog mauling incident in San Francisco around 7-8 years ago, the landlord had tried to evict the those tenants before the attack, but couldn't b/c of rent control. Funny eh? Tragic. Ironic thing - while the cretins were in jail, they failed to pay their rent and I personally went to the Hall of Justice to have a 3 day pay or quit notice served on them. It was a lot of fun.
Are you saying you rented to them SF or that you were the attorney who represented them?
| 961 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:27:28am |
re: #942 midwestgak
There are many dog owners in my area, and when they walk passed with their dog, they all say, "He doesn't bite." So far, they have been correct.
They are in the wrong for letting the dog get in a position where it could bite without asking you whether you want the proximity of a dog.
A lot of it is body language, but the first thing you start with in training is "heel", which means "don't approach anyone unless I say it's OK".
They should license the owner, not the dog.
| 962 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:27:29am |
| 963 |
acwgusa Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:27:46am |
re: #956 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I wonder how many people have reported the White House to the White House? After all, he's the one spreading the most lies about health care.
Noting the efficiency of some of Obama's IT staff, I'm wondering if the server didn't crash.
| 964 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:27:51am |
re: #955 FrogMarch
Heh.
dang I missed the best part...
Now, don't get overly paranoid, you freaky right-wing zealots. Judging from the Obama administration's track record, the program will do absolutely nothing other than add billions to the deficit.
| 967 |
wrenchwench Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:28:44am |
re: #954 SFGoth
Do St. Bernards do anything except warp space-time and compel people to pet them? I've a St. B once in my life, outside a cafe in Annandale, Va of all places. It was a rather warm day (70) and that dog was HUGE, docile, and extremely pet-able.
Yes, they slobber. Buckets.
| 968 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:28:52am |
BBL ,
Gotta go figure out whats wrong with the riding mower. Works fine on a totally flat surface, but as soon as I try to go upgrade a tad, it sputters, spits and stalls out
| 969 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:24am |
re: #928 justabill
I guess I just assumed that since I hadn't heard anythign about them outside of history books dealing with centuries past, that they had just died out/faded away. Next thing you'll tell me is that the Phonecians are still running global shippiing businesses...
Actually, the full history is...well, confusing. Wikipedia has a few articles on it. Short version: today's Chaldeans are descended from the ancient ones, but not via a straight line, and their beliefs and culture also differ.
| 971 |
kynna Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:35am |
re: #931 Cato the Elder
When kids look longingly at Haku, I always ask the parents if they can pet the dog.
And I expect parents to have the wit to train their kids to ask first if they meet a strange dog.
True. But most dog owners are not as responsible as you are.
| 972 |
VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:43am |
re: #933 turn
What? is it just on the dog posts?
Today it is, but he/she does it a lot.
If you have something to say, join the conversation Blueherron.
| 973 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:44am |
re: #968 sattv4u2
BBL ,
Gotta go figure out whats wrong with the riding mower. Works fine on a totally flat surface, but as soon as I try to go upgrade a tad, it sputters, spits and stalls out
Has Obama worked on your mower recently ?
Just sayin'
| 974 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:46am |
| 975 |
justabill Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:58am |
re: #968 sattv4u2
BBL ,
Gotta go figure out whats wrong with the riding mower. Works fine on a totally flat surface, but as soon as I try to go upgrade a tad, it sputters, spits and stalls out
Your low on gas.../
| 976 |
njdhockeyfan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:30:30am |
US deficit climbs to 1.3 trillion dollars
WASHINGTON — The US budget deficit reached 1.3 trillion dollars for the current fiscal year in July, official data showed, news set to fuel opposition to US President Barack Obama's ambitious health care and climate change proposals.The deficit for the first 10 months of fiscal year 2009, which began October 1, reached 1.3 trillion dollars, close to 880 billion dollars greater than the deficit recorded through July 2008, said the US Congressional Budget Office (CBO).
Outlays rose by almost 530 billion dollars, or 21 percent, and revenues fell by more than 350 billion dollars, or 17 percent, compared with the amounts recorded during the same period last year, the non-partisan CBO said.
| 977 |
MrSilverDragon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:30:38am |
re: #954 SFGoth
Do St. Bernards do anything except warp space-time and compel people to pet them? I've a St. B once in my life, outside a cafe in Annandale, Va of all places. It was a rather warm day (70) and that dog was HUGE, docile, and extremely pet-able.
I dunno about warping space-time, but I do know that when they do the doggy body shake, steer clear or you'll get shoestring slimed.
Small price to pay for the kindest and most obedient dog I've ever had the pleasure of being a part of my family.
| 978 |
wrenchwench Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:30:38am |
| 979 |
VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:30:59am |
re: #947 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Or save her sole.
Maybe she thinks she could go toe-to-toe with him.
| 980 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:31:27am |
re: #965 buzzsawmonkey
Barbara Boxer's plaint about "well-dressed" protesters makes me want to go to a protest (it would be the first time in years) in spats.
Too bad I got rid of the spats, and the tailcoat, some years back.
You still have the top hat & monocle, though, right?
| 981 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:31:36am |
re: #968 sattv4u2
BBL ,
Gotta go figure out whats wrong with the riding mower. Works fine on a totally flat surface, but as soon as I try to go upgrade a tad, it sputters, spits and stalls out
Question, is the engine flooding? If not that, then the float chamber is running out of fuel. Just two things off the top of my head.
| 982 |
midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:31:58am |
| 983 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:32:22am |
| 984 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:32:48am |
re: #979 VioletTiger
Maybe she thinks she could go toe-to-toe with him.
Boot licking is best done with a long tongue.
| 985 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:32:55am |
re: #968 sattv4u2
BBL ,
Gotta go figure out whats wrong with the riding mower. Works fine on a totally flat surface, but as soon as I try to go upgrade a tad, it sputters, spits and stalls out
Bad gas, drain the tank and refill.
| 987 |
redstateredneck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:33:12am |
re: #901 lawhawk
OT:
NOAA posts that they're now expecting a near- to below normal hurricane season in the Atlantic due to El Nino effects. Vigilance is still required since August-September are the height of the season.
Remember, it takes only one of these hurricanes to do massive damage, so if you're in coastal areas, it's a good idea to make sure your go-bag is prepared and that you've got sufficient provisions to make do for several days without outside assistance.
Andrew was an August storm. There have been quite a few "A" names late in the season that did considerable damage.
| 988 |
SFGoth Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:33:15am |
re: #958 wahabicorridor
Yah, the link I posted was about the dogs finally being put down. So, are you a lawyer?
Yes, alas. I'm hoping to jump start my 2nd career in a rock band.
| 989 |
jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:33:33am |
| 990 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:33:34am |
So, did everyone know that hummingbirds sometimes land on flowers? I had no idea. My bride and I were sitting on the patio last night (with a beer and a bb gun for the rabbits) and a hummingbird flew over to a flower 6-8 ft. away and was doing her thing and then she landed. We were whispering, but she didn't seem perturbed. We started talking normally and she sat there cocking her head and listening for 3-4 minutes and then flew away. Very cool the things you see when the ankle-biters are off to the in-law for a few days.
| 991 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:33:52am |
re: #921 VioletTiger
Good morning VioletTiger! It's blueherron (lower case b and you can do a search on him/her - maybe a stealth downdinger, but does post material on his/her own.
| 992 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:34:29am |
re: #981 BlueCanuck
Question, is the engine flooding? If not that, then the float chamber is running out of fuel. Just two things off the top of my head.
Check the oil level as well. Sometimes if it's overfilled it will cause problems.
/small engines are a real pain in the neck.
| 993 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:34:47am |
re: #974 Mad Al-Jaffee
Do you want to get booted out of here?
There you go again. Lace in another pun. Ive got my eye on you.
| 994 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:35:25am |
| 995 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:35:59am |
re: #968 sattv4u2
BBL ,
Gotta go figure out whats wrong with the riding mower. Works fine on a totally flat surface, but as soon as I try to go upgrade a tad, it sputters, spits and stalls out
I have the same problem but mine is with yours truly, not the mower.
/
| 996 |
redstateredneck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:36:06am |
re: #965 buzzsawmonkey
Barbara Boxer's plaint about "well-dressed" protesters makes me want to go to a protest (it would be the first time in years) in spats.
Too bad I got rid of the spats, and the tailcoat, some years back.
Top hat would be a nice touch, too.
| 997 |
Pianobuff Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:36:59am |
Some good analysis on what to look for in coverage of town halls by the media. Hint: It ain't good for conservatives.
The conclusion...
But odds are good that sniper attacks like the ones from the Times will become more commonplace as the healthcare debate intensifies in lawmakers' districts this month. The national media in particular are not likely to report on the events objectively when they so desperately want Obama's agenda to be enacted.
So let this be a warning to foes of socialized medicine. Be on the lookout for media snipers. They will amplify every minor mistake you make and downplay the major sins of Obama supporters. Don't give them any ammunition, and do expose them when they take aim at "the mob."
| 999 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:37:08am |
re: #937 Walter L. Newton
Obama, hey Bama, Bama Bama, ho Bama...
Upding for Jesus Christ Superstar reference.
| 1000 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:37:19am |
clearly...
"In any event, it's true that people who believe in health-care choices and free markets are zombies. For one thing, they are entirely too well dressed to contemplate serious issues independently — and thank you, California Sen. Barbara Boxer, for pointing this out. A man without Birkenstocks, after all, is a man without a soul.
Organizing and protesting, as any sensible and compassionate citizen already understands, is exclusively the bailiwick of ideologically diverse and free-thinking groups like unions.
And, really, the most galling aspect of this entire spurious uprising are the rumors that protesters are actually organized. Can you imagine?
The question now becomes: How can we, thinking people, stop this horde of well-heeled, Nazi-loving, insurance-industry funded (and possibly organized) robots? What can we do to destroy our health care?
Well, as always, the president has crafted a glorious plan forward. In an e-mail to the nation, President Barack Obama begins by telling Americans, "This is the moment our movement was built for."
"That's why Organizing for America is putting together thousands of events this month," the president goes on, his words stirring even in pixel form, "where you can reach out to neighbors, show your support, and make certain your members of Congress know that you're counting on them to act."
Who knew? "Organizing" for America? Movements? Sounds familiar.
For those of you who will gleefully point out the hypocrisy of Democrats grousing about organized grassroots activism — whether well-funded or organic — you just don't get it. It is imperative that we start thinking about the world in a counterintuitive way.
In today's world, the "radicals" are the ones who protest the takeover of a huge swath of the economy by government bureaucrats who have proven they can't even run a program that gives free money away to car buyers properly. It is radicals who want to preserve the pillars of a system that over 80 percent of Americans still believe works — though certainly not perfectly.
In this new world, radicals are the ones who protest adding trillions to our debt and who have the temerity to ask if legislators have read the bills they sign. You've seen them. Those radicals who are ranting and raving about silly things like the Constitution.
So here is a plan. Instead of making the case for health care "reform," let's launch an offensive against citizens. Nazis. Fanatics. Mobs. Thugs. Whatever you call them.
And if you're really patriotic, you can even report them. "
| 1001 |
VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:37:26am |
re: #991 realwest
How are you real?
Is it getting hot down there?
We expect one more cool/low humidity day before the hazy hot humids return.
| 1002 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:37:37am |
My dog is barking. There might be an Obamite jackbooted thug at the door.
If I don't come back in an hour, call FEMA and threaten them with the FoIA. And tell Pamela I take it all back and she was right.
| 1004 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:38:33am |
re: #992 BlueCanuck
Check the oil level as well. Sometimes if it's overfilled it will cause problems.
/small engines are a real pain in the neck.
I see you've had a lot of experience with small engines too, we both learned throught the school of hard knocks no doubt.
| 1005 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:38:43am |
re: #1002 Cato the Elder
My dog is barking. There might be an Obamite jackbooted thug at the door.
If I don't come back in an hour, call FEMA and threaten them with the FoIA. And tell Pamela I take it all back and she was right.
Or you could be on your way to
a. Cleaner carpets
b. Vinyl siding
c. Girl scout cookies (wrong time of year, though)
| 1006 |
MrSilverDragon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:38:52am |
re: #993 turn
There you go again. Lace in another pun. Ive got my eye on you.
Don't make me break out my stiletto...
| 1007 |
itellu3times Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:39:15am |
re: #870 buzzsawmonkey
I don't get this. How will it make *my* policy any cheaper?
I'm running one of these mega-deductible HSA plans right now, if I had to pay for a full-boat plan, it would be, I dunno, I'll guess $800/month* right now for just my fifty-something unemployed (contractor between gigs) self. My HSA plan is about $300/month, but apparently will become illegal, immoral, and probably fattening under Obamacare. So, if I have to buy a full boat, will it be $800, or just $700, or a real bargain of $600? Somewhere around $500 it might actually start making sense, if it actually pays for some pills I buy right now that just fall into the deductible.
*looking at the blue shield site, hard to make sense out of it, but guessing somewhere between $800 and $1200 months for an old-fashioned full-service plan with about a $1000 annual deductible, but blue shield is still known as chincy for what's covered under most plans, probably including these.
| 1008 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:39:31am |
re: #965 buzzsawmonkey
Barbara Boxer's plaint about "well-dressed" protesters makes me want to go to a protest (it would be the first time in years) in spats.
Too bad I got rid of the spats, and the tailcoat, some years back.
Hmmm... well dressed protesters? Does that mean I should get dressed up in my finest evening wear? Kinda like this guy? (bleached blonde optional)
Inquiring rabble rousers want to know. Or are they now considered a mob?
Even though these folks are doing nothing more than what Obama did as a community organizer?
| 1009 |
kynna Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:39:36am |
re: #945 MrSilverDragon
I had a St. Bernard that was very friendly and loved everyone. My fiancee has a Maltese that I would never let get near a child.
I would not blame the size of the dog.
I agree with this, too. I don't like any strange dogs getting around my kids, regardless of size.
But dogs are like anyone else. An introduction is necessary for trust to form. A lot of dog owners in my neck of the woods don't take the time to control that situation. They don't pick up the poop either. Blech.
| 1010 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:39:47am |
| 1012 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:40:13am |
| 1013 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:40:37am |
re: #873 turn
I thought read somewhere that that decision fell under the FCC which he has the pow err to appoint people to. Maybe I'm wrong again (sigh)
Really, well I'm not interested in adopting one. Hey were Vick's dogs those Presa or pits?oh this is going to be a twofer post, the auto thingy mess me up again.
You're right, it'd be done under the FCC.
| 1014 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:40:41am |
re: #993 turn
There you go again. Lace in another pun. Ive got my eye on you.
Keep it up and you might get socked.
| 1015 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:40:43am |
re: #1004 turn
I see you've had a lot of experience with small engines too, we both learned throught the school of hard knocks no doubt.
Actually, have a college certificate as a Small Engine Mechanic. Couldn't find a job with it though. That was years ago. Did a month of work in a small engine shop as part of my course at the start of lawn mower season. Learned to hate Lawnboy.
| 1019 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:42:01am |
re: #1006 MrSilverDragon
Don't make me break out my stiletto...
I'm just pointing out what a heal mad can be, no need to get violent. Put a sock in it, ok?
| 1021 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:42:17am |
| 1022 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:42:41am |
re: #1013 MandyManners
You're right, it'd be done under the FCC.
So it wouldn't need approval of congress?
| 1024 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:42:59am |
re: #976 njdhockeyfan
Hey You! Shut up and get outta the way!
/
| 1027 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:44:36am |
| 1028 |
lincolntf Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:44:53am |
re: #1017 taxfreekiller
I'm still waiting for someone to finally get contacted by the Flag@Whitehouse civilian surveillance program. With all the bloggers/posters/random gadflys that hang out in here I figure someone will eventually see the program in action.
| 1029 |
njdhockeyfan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:44:58am |
re: #1017 taxfreekiller
It is sure the White House is reading lgf's this morning.
Hi, guys,,,
hey,, what coffee do you loser commies drink these days?
Communist Coffee of course.
| 1030 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:45:00am |
| 1031 |
Spenser (with an S) Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:45:01am |
re: #1007 itellu3times
My HSA plan is about $300/month, but apparently will become illegal, immoral, and probably fattening under Obamacare.
Yes, it will. Both bills end high-deductible plans. They are a market-based solution that has lowered costs and increased patient bargaining power and therefore must go.
| 1032 |
VegasRick Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:45:29am |
| 1033 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:45:38am |
re: #1015 BlueCanuck
Actually, have a college certificate as a Small Engine Mechanic. Couldn't find a job with it though. That was years ago. Did a month of work in a small engine shop as part of my course at the start of lawn mower season. Learned to hate Lawnboy.
A lot of people have no appreciation for what a skill that is blue. Little engines are more difficult to wok on than big ones.
| 1034 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:46:40am |
| 1035 |
Ben Hur Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:46:45am |
What is this I hear about Tea Party beatings of Black people?
| 1037 |
The Other Les Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:48:05am |
There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.
— Pat Robertson
Nowhere in the original text of the Constitution, nor in any subsequent amendment, is the Federal Government granted the power to compel the worship of God, or to compel obedience to God or those who claim to speak for God.
I shall refrain from offering any suggestions as to what Pat Robertson should do with himself.
| 1038 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:48:05am |
Jenny Sanford's moving out of the governor's house.
| 1039 |
jjmckay1216 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:48:05am |
Nice comment here
WRITE IN: SEVERAL RECENT TOWN HALL STYLE MEETINGS ON HEALTHCARE REFORM HAVE BEEN DISRUPTED BY DEMONSTRATORS. FORMER COMMERCE SECRETARY CARLOS GUTIERREZ SAYS AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS.
VERBATIM: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE AFRAID, THEY'RE NERVOUS, THEY'RE SCARED, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN FIND OUT IS BY GOING TO A TOWNHALL MEETING AND ASKING A QUESTION. THESE ARE AVERAGE CITIZENS, THESE ARE AVERAGE FOLKS AND I THINK THEY DESERVE MORE RESPECT THAN FOR US TO BE CALLING THEM MOBS.
Someone with an ounce of sense...
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Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:48:12am |
re: #1035 Ben Hur
What is this I hear about Tea Party beatings of Black people?
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]
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VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:48:20am |
Costume stores everywhere are getting a jump on the fall Halloween business with all those paid activists looking for 'everyday American' costumes. Outfits consisting of Bermuda shorts, tee shirts and sneakers are among the highest volume rentals. If you want to be an 'everyday American', better rent early before those lobbyists get there before you!
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| 1042 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:48:35am |
| 1043 |
SixDegrees Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:49:04am |
| 1044 |
karmic_inquisitor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:49:08am |
re: #1018 buzzsawmonkey
Actually, it would be fun to be part of a phalanx of protesters attending a townhall meeting clad in strict morning attire; grey jacket, striped trousers, grey vest, black-and-gray striped tie or black-and-white bow tie.
A visible presence of ten or fifteen protesters thus clad would certainly make an impression--and it would cow the opposition. In my experience, being better-dressed than your opponent(s) makes the opposition feel uneasy, inferior, and generally outclassed.
Well make sure to bring a cane. You may need it for the Union Goons that the left has deployed.
| 1045 |
Summersong Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:49:13am |
I hear this is already a big seller for Halloween.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
| 1046 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:49:19am |
re: #990 Spenser (with an S) You can actually catch hummingbirds with fly paper but it takes a lot of them to make a decent meal. /
| 1047 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:49:57am |
Iowahawk has a handy dandy guide for dressing for success at these town halls. Also, it's useful for figuring out who's who, and what's what.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:50:25am |
As I posted earlier today, here's how you dress at protests if you want to be taken seriously. This, and inflating your scrotum:
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
| 1049 |
Ben Hur Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:50:43am |
| 1050 |
The Other Les Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:51:25am |
re: #1040 Bobblehead
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]
So the other side is going into brownshirt mode.
Not what I would call a surprise.
| 1052 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:52:20am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:52:34am |
re: #1018 buzzsawmonkey
Actually, it would be fun to be part of a phalanx of protesters attending a townhall meeting clad in strict morning attire; grey jacket, striped trousers, grey vest, black-and-gray striped tie or black-and-white bow tie.
A visible presence of ten or fifteen protesters thus clad would certainly make an impression--and it would cow the opposition. In my experience, being better-dressed than your opponent(s) makes the opposition feel uneasy, inferior, and generally outclassed.
Would wearing a little black dress with a suite of pearls, sheer black hose and moderate pumps be okay?
| 1056 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:53:09am |
re: #1053 MandyManners
Would wearing a little black dress with a suite of pearls, sheer black hose and moderate pumps be okay?
Only if you post some pictures.
*ducks*
| 1057 |
VioletTiger Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:53:11am |
re: #1047 lawhawk
Iowahawk has a handy dandy guide for dressing for success at these town halls. Also, it's useful for figuring out who's who, and what's what.
I think I mentioned the little old man who has been appearing for weeks in my town with a hand-made sign that says Stop Obama Care.
My daughter and I were going to make him a nice sign, but I think I'll skip that and make some zucchini bread for him instead. This is the real source of the movement--the average citizen, not the obvious mass-produced sings of the community organizer crowd.
| 1058 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:53:13am |
re: #1039 jjmckay1216
Nice comment here
WRITE IN: SEVERAL RECENT TOWN HALL STYLE MEETINGS ON HEALTHCARE REFORM HAVE BEEN DISRUPTED BY DEMONSTRATORS. FORMER COMMERCE SECRETARY CARLOS GUTIERREZ SAYS AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS.
VERBATIM: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE AFRAID, THEY'RE NERVOUS, THEY'RE SCARED, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN FIND OUT IS BY GOING TO A TOWNHALL MEETING AND ASKING A QUESTION. THESE ARE AVERAGE CITIZENS, THESE ARE AVERAGE FOLKS AND I THINK THEY DESERVE MORE RESPECT THAN FOR US TO BE CALLING THEM MOBS.
Someone with an ounce of sense...
flag@whitehouse.gov re:CARLOS GUTIERREZ
| 1059 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:53:35am |
re: #1001 VioletTiger
I'm doing ok, thanks! It's gonna be 90 or so today, going up to 93 or sor for the next 3 or 4 days. And frankly, 93 degress is HOT I don't care what the humidity is! LOL!
I wish I were able to attend some of these TownHall exercises in "democracy" though; it was ok with the Media and with the Democratic Party when Progressive Lefty students wouldn't allow Center-Right speakers to speak and would disrupt all sorts of meeting and community get togethers. When Republicans do it, however, it suddenly becomes BIG NEWS and the Dems call for Union Thugs to go counter the protestors. I'd sure like to be there when those thugs start to work.
| 1060 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:53:36am |
re: #1033 turn
Yeah, it's amazing what an oil change, blade sharpening, and new sparkplug will do for a lawn mower. As well changing gas on a seasonal basis. Do you know the life expectancy of a small engine is about 20-30 years?
| 1062 |
DaddyG Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:54:49am |
re: #1037 The Other Les
There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.
— Pat Robertson
Nowhere in the original text of the Constitution, nor in any subsequent amendment, is the Federal Government granted the power to compel the worship of God, or to compel obedience to God or those who claim to speak for God.
I shall refrain from offering any suggestions as to what Pat Robertson should do with himself.
Tell him he can go multiply and prosper himself.
| 1063 |
Bobblehead Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:57:38am |
re: #1053 MandyManners
Would wearing a little black dress with a suite of pearls, sheer black hose and moderate pumps be okay?
It should be knee length, not too tight and perhaps with an understated cashmere cardigan thrown over your shoulders. Or maybe we should all come dressed like this. Talk about a good Halloween costume...
| 1064 |
turn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:59:15am |
re: #1060 BlueCanuck
Yeah, it's amazing what an oil change, blade sharpening, and new sparkplug will do for a lawn mower. As well changing gas on a seasonal basis. Do you know the life expectancy of a small engine is about 20-30 years?
No I didn't know that, maybe it's a good thing you got out of that line of work. I've got this husqvarna backpack blower that really through me for a loop a couple of years ago. It would rev up fine when cold but wouldn't take throttle after it warmed up. I fianally broke down and took it to a repair shop (something turn never does). It turned out to be stale gas, all they did was put frreah gas in and bang it cost me $45. First small engine I ever had that did that, hence my suggestion upthread to put new gas in. Always start with the obvious now.
| 1065 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:59:48am |
re: #1039 jjmckay1216
Uh, you'll notice that that is FORMER Commerce Secretary!
Now if someone in this admimistration would say that, it would be a lot more helpful.
| 1066 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:00:52am |
re: #1035 Ben Hur
What is this I hear about Tea Party beatings of Black people?
This is all I saw - but it was union folks beating a black tea party attendee.
| 1067 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:03:43am |
re: #1064 turn
Never got INTO that line of work. Lived in a small town and all the small engine shops would get co-op students from the high schools. Free labout is a hell of a lot cheaper then paying some schmuck a minimum wage. I did get a job working on engines a year later. Worked at an amusement park where my main job was keeping the go-karts in order. Best job I have ever had when it comes to the fun factor. I had to test them after working on them of course. :)
/I could do the course at full speed...
| 1068 |
MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:04:06am |
| 1071 |
realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:07:42am |
re: #1066 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine - thank you for that. I've reported it to Charles in the hopes of getting a new thread out of it, but doubt that will happen. Maybe if you and other interested folks would report it too, that would help!
| 1072 |
jvic Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:09:39am |
From a Drudge link:
"They're hiding from their constituents. She works for us and needs to listen,'' said Karen Jaroch, a Tampa homemaker and organizer for the 9-12 Project, set up by TV commentator Glenn Beck, which had recruited its members to attend.
Until the right firmly squelches its kooks and demagogues, it will not get the chance to govern again.
There is a difference between dissent and disruption. Well-framed dissent, accompanied by constructive alternatives, can get the right back into power. Disruption can sustain the seven- and eight-figure incomes of some "conservative commentators".
| 1073 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:13:14am |
OOO boy
US consumers still want to buy big "gas-guzzler" cars and General Motors has to respond to the demand, GM vice-chairman Bob Lutz says in an interview.
US consumers still want to buy big "gas-guzzler" cars and General Motors has to respond to the demand, GM vice-chairman Bob Lutz says in an interview.
Mr Lutz told the Swiss newspaper Tages-Anzeiger that the ailing US auto giant had decided this week to ramp up production of big pick-up trucks and sports utility vehicles in the US because stocks had nearly run bare.
"It remains a fact that the American public buys big, high-consumption cars," he said.
"It is completely wrong to hope that Americans will massively rush to economical vehicles.
| 1074 |
SFGoth Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:14:57am |
re: #960 turn
Are you saying you rented to them SF or that you were the attorney who represented them?
I was the lawyer who had them evicted. I did not represent them, nor did I originally represent the owner when he first tried to evict them.
| 1075 |
SFGoth Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:16:13am |
re: #1073 wahabicorridor
"It remains a fact that the American public buys big, high-consumption cars," he said.
"It is completely wrong to hope that Americans will massively rush to economical vehicles.
OOO boy
So why are we bailing them out? Oh right; we voted in the most left-wing government in U.S. history.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:17:18am |
re: #1074 SFGoth
I was the lawyer who had them evicted. I did not represent them, nor did I originally represent the owner when he first tried to evict them.
IIRC, the woman was herself a lawyer? They were raising the dogs for a man already incarcerated that she represented. Is that correct?
I wonder what ever happened to them?
| 1077 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:19:41am |
re: #1070 buzzsawmonkey
Always look for the union label (on protest signs).
Otherwise, it is some scab sent by the insurance companies!
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realwest Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:24:58am |
re: #1072 jvic
From a Drudge link:
Until the right firmly squelches its kooks and demagogues, it will not get the chance to govern again.There is a difference between dissent and disruption. Well-framed dissent, accompanied by constructive alternatives, can get the right back into power. Disruption can sustain the seven- and eight-figure incomes of some "conservative commentators".
Well I don't know how you reached that conclussion.
The Left never squelched it's kooks and demagogues and they won both houses of Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008. Moreover - if you read upthread, various unions have called upon some of their folks (referred to I believe as thugs) to put down the protestors at Townhall meetings. See, for example, #1066.
| 1079 |
Gang of One Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:27:55am |
| 1080 |
SFGoth Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:42:45am |
re: #1076 wahabicorridor
IIRC, the woman was herself a lawyer? They were raising the dogs for a man already incarcerated that she represented. Is that correct?
I wonder what ever happened to them?
Yes. They're still in prison AFAIK. Ironically, the judge who presided over their trial is the grandson of USSC Chief Justice Earl Warren.
| 1081 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:47:03am |
re: #1080 SFGoth
oh my goodness! great trivia, thanks.
| 1082 |
charlesincharge Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:09:12am |
re: #848 SixDegrees
It's a complicated problem, but it boils down to a city that has adopted a whole raft of stupid policies over the years, on top of crushing unemployment and high crime rates. The city requires that any business operating there pay a minimum wage of $9.50 an hour - if they provide full medical and other benefits. The wage requirement jumps to $14.50 an hour if you don't offer benefits. Workers in the city are charged a city income tax, whether they live there or not (non-residents are charged half what residents are, but they don't get half a vote on how their taxes are spent.); business taxes are crushingly high, insurance of all kinds is even higher. High crime rates demand 24-hour security on any facility housing anything of value. The list goes on - this is just a glimpse of the problem.
Most large grocery chains have a business model that eakes out a very small profit - it's an extremely competitive business. The additional costs imposed by all these factors breaks that model, and there are plenty of other markets where the model works, so it's easiest to just avoid the problem and not do business where doing business doesn't make any sense.
In fairness, there's a large, loosely-affiliated network of independent groceries operated by Chaldeans. After taking on the risks and uncertain rewards of doing business in marginal and worse areas, they are widely condemned as "racists" and worse. Not surprisingly, they have expanded their efforts into the suburbs - where they operate profitable, specialty markets, and where they are welcomed - and will probably wind up bailing on the city as well and conditions continue to deteriorate.
It's not just Detroit. Most of America's largest cities have these same problems to some extent.
Who runs these cities? Who sits on the city councils,who are the mayors? Who is it that in the name of doing "good" are ruining the quality of life and in some cases destroying some of America's largest cities.
Are they "Nirthers"? Troofers?Creationists?Paulists?The religious right? If it is, it will surely come to an end sooner or later. Because we lizards spend so much time exposing and discussing them. The American people will, in time, vote them out of office.
But if it's some other group, some much larger and more powerful political party? Not so much.
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charlesincharge Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:20:15am |
re: #1071 realwest
Good morning reine - thank you for that. I've reported it to Charles in the hopes of getting a new thread out of it, but doubt that will happen. Maybe if you and other interested folks would report it too, that would help!
Agent provocateurs. Sent by "The Un" and his minions.
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LesLein Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:47:12pm |
It took 295 posts before someone actually checked the Constitution. Thanks 296.
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