1 freetoken  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:17:43pm

Volleyball... reminds me of the Brazilian women's team...

2 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:18:34pm

I'm going to go to bed now. Good night, all. And Charles, thanks for running this blog. You don't get thanked enough for it, but you do a fine job.

3 freetoken  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:18:37pm

There are positives to Rio getting the Olympics...

4 wee fury  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:19:08pm

ah. The feel of sand in your shorts.

5 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:20:21pm

I'd say this thread is a net gain.

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:22:21pm

I need my glasses.

7 Canadian Guy  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:23:05pm

QUOTE OF THE DAY

"You're husband's a stinkin' liar."

"Yeah!!! We're gonna run him out of office!!"

Yay!!!

8 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:23:25pm

re: #3 freetoken


Three out of the nations that have hosted/will host the Olympics between 2008 and 2016 are from the BRIC faction.

9 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:25:55pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon


G'nite, dark_falcon!

10 freetoken  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:26:29pm

For those with short memories... the Brazilian Olympic Beach Volleyball team.

11 freetoken  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:27:21pm

re: #8 Fenway_Nation

Three of them are permanent members of the UNSC too...

12 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:28:32pm

The Republican Party needs to stop fucking around and show who they are. And I don't mean being a nice guy. Have some freaking guts, have a take, a belief system and stick with it.

13 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:28:35pm

re: #11 freetoken

Which one besides China and Russia?

14 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:28:51pm

Good night all, sweet dreams!

15 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:29:17pm

But do they have nice personalities, Freetoken? ;p

16 freetoken  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:30:06pm

re: #13 Fenway_Nation

London is up for 2012.

17 freetoken  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:30:45pm
18 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:30:57pm

LOL

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:32:00pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

Certainly. I could watch those personalities interact all night.
/

20 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:36:03pm

Since Charles Got things started with the blues

Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown: Song for Renee

21 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:36:21pm

re: #16 freetoken

Right...

I meant to say three of the five

Beijing- 2008
Vancouver, Canada- 2010
London- 2012
Sochi, Russia- 2014 (about 50 miles from the border w/Georgia)
Rio De Janeiro-2016

75% BRIC representation for the Olympics right there.

22 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:37:32pm

I think I've posted this before.
It's the 12/2007 humongous surf off Northern Ca.
It's amazing.
Yes, those little black things are people surfing.
[Link: www.surfline.com...]

23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:37:48pm

Isis - Weight

From the album Oceanic.

24 Randall Gross  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:41:06pm

Time for me to get some sleeps, but since we are on a blues theme tonight, here's a clash of cultures I can get behind:

25 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:46:21pm
26 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:47:00pm

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

Isis - Weight

From the album Oceanic.

That's the kind of shit I like to listen to for long distance driving. I'll have to look for them on Bittorrent

27 The Left  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:48:58pm

Ahoy, polloi!

I'm loving this whole new Ocean theme for the overnight.

What's up and how is everyone?

28 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:49:02pm

Goodnight, Lizards!
Have fun, play well together & above all, stay scaly!

29 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:50:40pm

re: #28 Floral Giraffe


G'nite vinyl vole!

30 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:52:57pm

re: #27 iceweasel

Ahoy, polloi!

I'm loving this whole new Ocean theme for the overnight.

What's up and how is everyone?

Looks like it's about dead. Are you in a different timezone or just a late nighter?

I got my ass handed to me in the last thread for being a DKos member. I survived.

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:52:58pm

re: #26 Conservative Moonbat

Do as you like, but I say support good music (or music you like) and buy that shit. Hit a used record store.

32 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:54:15pm

re: #21 Fenway_Nation

Right...

I meant to say three of the five

Beijing- 2008
Vancouver, Canada- 2010
London- 2012
Sochi, Russia- 2014 (about 50 miles from the border w/Georgia)
Rio De Janeiro-2016

75% BRIC representation for the Olympics right there.

Speaking of the other 25% of BRIC...when will India get the Olympic nod?

My guess is 2048, in either Delhi or Hyderabad!

33 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:54:39pm

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

Do as you like, but I say support good music (or music you like) and buy that shit. Hit a used record store.

I won 't download anything I'm not willing to go see live if it's near me. I don't buy many albums but I see all the live music I can and buy stuff at the shows. They get more money that way anyway.

If I download them and like them, I'll look for them coming to my area.

34 The Left  Fri, Oct 2, 2009 11:54:40pm

re: #30 Conservative Moonbat

Looks like it's about dead. Are you in a different timezone or just a late nighter?

I got my ass handed to me in the last thread for being a DKos member. I survived.

I have strange sleep patterns, in addition to being in an undisclosed seekrit underground location.
The thread just downstairs? I would have pitched in to help you out. I'll go check it out.

35 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:00:11am

re: #33 Conservative Moonbat

I get what you're saying, but if a recording label does not see a return on their investment, they are not likely to keep a band on contract producing albums.

And those recording companies don't normally do that shit for free for anyone less than a Super Star. If people don't buy a band's album, that band is often on the hook for the cost of the recording.

36 Summersong  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:02:55am

re: #30 Conservative Moonbat

Looks like it's about dead. Are you in a different timezone or just a late nighter?

I got my ass handed to me in the last thread for being a DKos member. I survived.


You're sure about that? Just for being a DKos member?

37 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:04:48am

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

I get what you're saying, but if a recording label does not see a return on their investment, they are not likely to keep a band on contract producing albums.

And those recording companies don't normally do that shit for free for anyone less than a Super Star. If people don't buy a band's album, that band is often on the hook for the cost of the recording.

Even if you buy the albums at the shows? That's what I try to do since they get more money out of it that way. Most of the contemporary music I listen to is indie or self-produced though.

38 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:05:53am

re: #32 Surabaya Stew

Full disclosure: I've never set foot in India, but isn't it so damn hot and humid throughout most parts of the country that hosting the Olympics really wouldn't be practical?

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:07:08am

re: #36 Summersong

Certainly, there was a bit more to it than that.

Comment at your own risk, and take the lumps that come your way.

40 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:09:24am

re: #30 Conservative Moonbat


I got my ass handed to me in the last thread for being a DKos member. I survived.

Maybe your inability to answer this fairly simple question of mine has something to do with it.

41 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:11:55am

re: #36 Summersong

You're sure about that? Just for being a DKos member?

and for refusing to denounce one thing markos said two years before I even registered, something I don't feel I even have the standing to speak on. I hardly ever read him anyway.

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:12:15am

re: #37 Conservative Moonbat

If the music you buy is independently produced, then it doesn't much matter where you buy it. You will get a better price if you buy direct, though.

I'm just not down with exploiting the bootleg market for free music. If you like a band, I think you should pay money for their product.

43 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:12:59am

re: #40 Fenway_Nation

Maybe your inability to answer this fairly simple question of mine has something to do with it.

I did in a later response when I said I was leaving it up to other vets to judge him and I didn't think it was my place because I didn't have the life experience.

44 Summersong  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:15:11am

re: #41 Conservative Moonbat

and for refusing to denounce one thing markos said two years before I even registered, something I don't feel I even have the standing to speak on. I hardly ever read him anyway.

I thought that you said it was funny? Am I mistaken?

45 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:17:52am

re: #43 Conservative Moonbat

Those Americans that were murdered, mutilated, incinerated and their charred corpses hung from a bridge were vets. I think your willingness to cover for Kos and try and find 'context' or 'proportion' for his childish, vapid, ghoulish little 'neener neener' dance is just as vile some five years on as it was when all the other darlings of the lefty blogosphere rushed to Kos' aid back then.

46 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:18:40am

re: #44 Summersong

I thought that you said it was funny? Am I mistaken?

That was the A. Whitney Brown post. It left me agast, amazed, and totally cracking up because it was so obscene.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:19:18am

re: #41 Conservative Moonbat

and for refusing to denounce one thing markos said two years before I even registered

There was a bit more to it then that, CM. You gave Markos a pass for his disgusting comments, A.W. Brown a pass for his disgusting comments, and DKos in general a pass for their history of disgusting comments on the subject.

I would like to suggest you discontinue defending the indefensible.

48 swamprat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:22:05am

C'mon lizards. Leave last posts' arguments behind. C M can wait a while.

49 Summersong  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:24:04am

CM himself brought it up on this thread. Just sayin'.

50 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:25:01am

re: #45 Fenway_Nation

Those Americans that were murdered, mutilated, incinerated and their charred corpses hung from a bridge were vets. I think your willingness to cover for Kos and try and find 'context' or 'proportion' for his childish, vapid, ghoulish little 'neener neener' dance is just as vile some five years on as it was when all the other darlings of the lefty blogosphere rushed to Kos' aid back then.

So I have to be forced to judge this man, whom I've never met, on somthing he said two years before I joined his website?

I'm just not willing to pass judgement against him on that. I don't know him. I don't know his life experiences. I don't even know what he said when he meant it. I don't know if he'd say the same thing now as he'd say then. I frankly think it's absurd to expect every member of his website to be willing and able to pass judgement one way or the on the basis of this.

To be honest, I really don't care. It was a long time ago.

51 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:25:09am

re: #48 swamprat


CM started mixing the batter for his martyr cookies on this thread- neither me, summer or slumbering brought it up.

52 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:25:45am

re: #48 swamprat

I suppose you have a point, but C.M. brought the issue into this thread, and in a disingenuous way, IMO.

If C.M. will drop it for now, I will drop it for now.

53 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:27:42am

I was just giving ice a recap of what had been going on. I didn't realize so many people were even still awake.

Forgive, I'll go to bed shortly.

54 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:28:07am

re: #52 Slumbering Behemoth

I suppose you have a point, but C.M. brought the issue into this thread, and in a disingenuous way, IMO.

If C.M. will drop it for now, I will drop it for now.

deal

55 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:28:12am

re: #50 Conservative Moonbat


Nobody's forcing you, but it speaks volumes about the company that you choose to keep.

56 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:28:21am

re: #38 Fenway_Nation

Full disclosure: I've never set foot in India, but isn't it so damn hot and humid throughout most parts of the country that hosting the Olympics really wouldn't be practical?

That's an astute observation, and is the absolute truth! (Full disclosure: I visited Madras and Hyderabad in 2002 for about 1 week each; the climate change from the Coast to the Deccan plateau is quite extreme!) Which therefore disqualifies Bombay, Madras, and Calcutta as potential Olympic locations. Therefore an interior city like the capital of Delhi, or the 5th largest city of Hyderabad are the only realistic options.

A more serious problem with a sub-continental bid is that India would hardly win any medals (aside from Field Hockey), due to the low interest of sporting events throughout the country. Still though, it's an interesting idea that will come to fruition eventually; no matter how many decades it takes. Perhaps keeping up with the other BRIC nations will give India the kick in the pants needed to get its citizens enthusiastic about the Olympics someday.

57 Canadian Guy  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:28:58am

re: #50 Conservative Moonbat


To be honest, I really don't care. .

Hence the problem.

It's one thing to cheer the U.S. losing the Olympics (that's insane in my opinion), it's another thing to not be outraged by Americans being murdered and mutilated in Iraq. It's also more outrageous to hide behind the "well I wore the uniform" card to defend that position. That is all.

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:29:50am

re: #54 Conservative Moonbat

deal

Done deal. Until next time, then.

59 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:32:23am

re: #56 Surabaya Stew

OK...that's along the lines of what I thought. Plus there's the ever-uncertain security situation in that part of the world as well.

60 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:33:28am

Zappa --- Watermelon in Easter Hay

61 Mauser  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:36:59am

What would happen if you got all of the famous movie trailer voice artists in one limo?

62 Canadian Guy  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:37:25am

Good Night Now!!!

63 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:39:51am

re: #59 Fenway_Nation

OK...that's along the lines of what I thought. Plus there's the ever-uncertain security situation in that part of the world as well.

True that...true that!

64 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:40:51am

re: #62 Canadian Guy


Fare thee well, gentleman of the Dominion north of the 49th parralell persuasion!

65 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:40:53am

Well, I looked at that thread and I think it's a good idea to let the issue drop.

I'd say this: CM is right that Kos is pretty indispensible for many on the left as an organising hub, others are right that those diaries are indefensible, but again, reading some info from that site doesn't mean a person endorses everything that's been on it. We were all reading them during the fallout over the Iranian elections, remember, because they were one of the very few places that had up to date info. Charles was linking them. Doesn't mean an endorsement of everything ever on there. I think things got a little out of control over on that thread and CM deserves a little slack here.

My (likely unnecessary) 2 cents.

BTW, I'm significantly to CM's left. And not now or ever a member of Kos or a regular reader. It's easy to pigeonhole people, but rarely accurate.

66 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:42:12am

Okay, the shame is finally wearing off to the point where I can say that Alan Grayson is my representative. There, I said it...well, maybe the shame hasn't worn off yet. Damn...

67 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:43:36am

re: #61 Mauser

HA! Were is that from? 1989?

68 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:43:37am

re: #63 Surabaya Stew

Now that I think about it, I'd like to have President 0bama over for lunch sometime so I could serve up some satays or bakmi goereng. I'd like to think of it as a two-fer; tweaking the pres and the nirthers.

69 freetoken  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:45:26am

Typhoon Parma is landing in the Norther Philippines... hopefully our friend laZardo will hang tough.

Parma has a rather large area of heavy rainfall on its west side... not good for the Philippines.

70 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:52:10am

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

Now that I think about it, I'd like to have President 0bama over for lunch sometime so I could serve up some satays or bakmi goereng. I'd like to think of it as a two-fer; tweaking the pres and the nirthers.

An excellent suggestion, but don't forget the beef (sapi) rendang!

71 akarra  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:54:10am

re: #27 iceweasel

I'm doing ok... glad you asked, wasn't quite sure how to get in on any conversations here.

I just finished skimming Real Clear Politics, and they linked to something from National Review entitled "Five Afghan War Excuses" that I wonder about. I wish I knew how serious the administration was on the issue; what I've heard from congressional Democrats (i.e. the ANA is fully capable of fighting and winning without any help except logistical) is a bit scary.

72 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:55:39am

Has this been posted yet?

Glenn Beck using Vicks Vaporub to prep him for crying on cue:

This is for a photoshoot, but you can hear him saying "My eyes are getting used to this".

Quoth Nelson Munsen: Ha-Ha!

73 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:56:34am

re: #25 Fenway_Nation

Trains! Train pron! Now, it's a real blog.

74 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:02:53am

re: #72 iceweasel

OMG, what bullshit. Good find.

75 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:03:05am

re: #71 akarra

I'm doing ok... glad you asked, wasn't quite sure how to get in on any conversations here.

I just finished skimming Real Clear Politics, and they linked to something from National Review entitled "Five Afghan War Excuses" that I wonder about. I wish I knew how serious the administration was on the issue; what I've heard from congressional Democrats (i.e. the ANA is fully capable of fighting and winning without any help except logistical) is a bit scary.

hey akarra, what's up?

I just took a look at that Lowry article. I'm a bit out of the loop on the current hoo-ha over Afghanistan. My understanding is that McChrsytal wanted even more troops?--- But also that we were already on track to have double the deployment there by the end of Dec than we did last year. So I don't think the admin is weak or unserious on this issue AFAIK.

76 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:06:18am

re: #25 Fenway_Nation

Time for another shameless bout of Blog pimpin'...

Not Another New England Sports Blog! The Blog That's Exactly What It Says it Isn't!

Hey, nice start to your blog; keep up the good work!

77 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:07:10am

re: #74 theheat

OMG, what bullshit. Good find.

Well, I was excited and thought it was a good find, but it turns out that gawker caught the vid back in June-- the rest of the internets (crooks and liars, etc) are just now catching up.

This is better though: remember that piece Salon did on Beck's hero, Cleon Skousen? Charles linked it. MMFA did a follow up. Guess who is yet another white supremacist?

Fox News' Glenn Beck has heavily promoted the writings of far-right activist W. Cleon Skousen, even making Skousen's book, The 5000 Year Leap, a central part of his 9-12 Project. Skousen is the author of several controversial works, including The Making of America: The Substance and Meaning of the Constitution, which presented as "the story of slavery in America" a passage from a book that attacked abolitionists for delaying emancipation; cast slave owners as "the worst victims of the system"; claimed white schoolchildren "were likely to envy the freedom of their colored playmates"; and claimed that "[s]lavery did not make white labor unrespectable, but merely inefficient," because "the slave had a deliberateness of motion which no amount of supervision could quicken."

Shorter Skousen: the worst victims of slavery were the slaveowners.

Beck guru Skousen's "story of slavery" suggests slave owners were "worst victims of the system"

(apologies if this has already been mentioned too)

78 akarra  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:09:51am

re: #75 iceweasel

Fair enough. I'm of the opinion that while I don't want right-wing crazies to go too far with pressing the administration on the issue, I do want to see it be a concern generally and things like a "let's just target al-Qaeda only" plan - things that seem to emphasize counterterrorism ops without counterinsurgency be rightfully attacked.

79 akarra  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:12:01am

And I'm out. Take care all, thanks for talking!

80 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:12:03am

re: #77 iceweasel

I don't remember who, but someone included Skousen's comments about the plight of slave owners in one of their posts a day or two ago. I think they were quoting the source, also.

The whole thing makes you shake your head, that people are so happy to look the other way about Beck and his ilk. Beck is a pasty-faced ranting racist doughboy that cries on cue, that surrounds himself with like-minded crazies, and lives by and promotes the word of crazies. Gee, what's not to like?

81 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:12:08am

OK, after a discussion last week about caps lock keys and crappy computer keyboards in general, I got inspired to order a Unicomp Customizer 104 to replace my mushy, annoying Dell POS that came with my machine. This keyboard is identical to the Lexmark IBM Model M that dominated the market for years, and is still widely available in the used market because they simply don't ever break.

Suddenly, I enjoy typing again. The keys are well-spaced and have over an eighth of an inch of travel. And it's loud - the keys make a distinct clicking noise when pressed (although there's not any distinct resistance felt); this is a good thing, since a click means you actually typed something, and lack of a click means you didn't. The caps lock key is well separated from the rest of the keys, so you can't hit it accidentally. And the entire keyboard has a slight concave curve to it, which makes it easier to "locate" the keys, as do the sharp edges on the keys themselves.

Plus, it weighs like five pounds. You could stun an ox with this thing.

A bit pricey at $70, but there are Model Ms over twenty years old that are still going strong.

Whoever it was that complained about their caps lock key being pressed accidentally - this is the keyboard for you.

They also make a "quiet" version. I don't see the point.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:13:03am

re: #72 iceweasel

That's from a GQ Magazine photo shoot in June, I believe.


"The crying was my idea, and Glenn was cool with trying it," Greenberg says. "We used mentholated balm to make his eyes tear up naturally. From then on it was acting on his part. He had fun with it and was a great sport."
83 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:14:16am

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

That's from a GQ Magazine photo shoot in June, I believe.

Yup! That Jill (?) greenberg chick is the one who took those pics of McCain and retouched them to make him look like a vampire, IIRC.

84 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:18:44am

re: #80 theheat

I don't remember who, but someone included Skousen's comments about the plight of slave owners in one of their posts a day or two ago. I think they were quoting the source, also.

The whole thing makes you shake your head, that people are so happy to look the other way about Beck and his ilk. Beck is a pasty-faced ranting racist doughboy that cries on cue, that surrounds himself with like-minded crazies, and lives by and promotes the word of crazies. Gee, what's not to like?

Ah, figures. I've been out of the loop for the last few days, really. The MMFA article is from the 30th.

I guess I'm stunned at just how many white supremacist associations there seem to be on the right. Look at all the ones Charles has uncovered. I knew about Malkin and VDARE, but I guess for me the real eyeopener was that the entire wingnutsphere seems to have chosen to support RSM as their excuse to make a formal attack on LGF and a formal break with Charles. RSM, of all people. It's mindboggling.

The entire right side of the blogosphere seems to have collapsed into teh fever swamps.

85 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:18:50am

re: #73 theheat

Arigato...I'm debating whether or not to make it a daily thing.

I'd like to incorporate some of my own work into the Train of Thought, but precious few images I've taken are digitized.

(stubborn 35mm holdout).

86 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:19:25am

re: #81 SixDegrees

That's a sessy keyboard. I like the old style keyboards. I tried a few of those ergonomic ones and never could get used to them, plus they were all fairly lightweight crap. I bashed one of them to bits, I hated it so much, if I recall.

The one I'm using now is an old HP I pulled out of the bargain bin at a retro computer recycling store. It's full sized, heavy, noisy, it's slightly curved, and the keys are very predictable with just the right degree of play and firmness. Unfortunately, I've worn half the type off the keys. And it's filthy.

I go through keyboards so fast I can't justify spending a whole lot on them. But this one I picked up for $10 and had more than a year, and it's a great one. When I replace I'd like to find another exactly like it.

87 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:21:28am

re: #85 Fenway_Nation

Find me a large image w/no copyright restrictions and maybe I can customize it for you as a masthead.

"It's what I do. It's all I do."
89 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:26:03am

re: #84 iceweasel

The entire right side of the blogosphere seems to have collapsed into teh fever swamps.

But if you think about it, you could see it coming. I mean, they have honed and focused like a laser to separate themselves as far from the left and center as possible. When you push something this much in one direction or another, it's reduced to its most basic essence, whether it's communism or fascism. Anyone that straddles the center line, or goes a little left or right, is thrown under the bus.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:29:31am

re: #83 iceweasel

Yeah, I see you sussed that out before I made my post. It was talked about a little bit here.

91 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:29:34am

re: #88 freetoken

crybabies.
//

92 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:31:39am

re: #89 theheat

But if you think about it, you could see it coming. I mean, they have honed and focused like a laser to separate themselves as far from the left and center as possible. When you push something this much in one direction or another, it's reduced to its most basic essence, whether it's communism or fascism. Anyone that straddles the center line, or goes a little left or right, is thrown under the bus.

Oh absolutely. I've been an observer of them for a few years now. Even I'm shocked though at how rapidly and completely the wingularity has arrived.

Wingularity:

This punchy term nicely captures the way that rightwing argumentation has become gradually detached from independently recognized reality and into a state of total unselfawareness. The pace of change is also accelerating. Just weeks before the election I never could guess that wingnuts would organize nationally around an act that they call teabagging. Imagine being the traveler from the future of three months hence trying to convince Americans of our semantically awkward future. How would you even start?

Thanks to the magic of talk radio and the internet, these guys can talk to no-one but each other for extremely long stretches of time, so they have no idea how crazy they sound. The time could come in the very near future when it becomes totally impossible for any ordinary person to have any idea what they are talking about. They will be beyond ordinary logic, beyond spoof. The wingularity will have arrived.

93 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:32:50am

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, I see you sussed that out before I made my post. It was talked about a little bit here.

Yeah, I missed it. Found the vid at Crooks and Liars before I knew about the gawker coverage or the backstory. Oh well. It's still funny!

94 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:40:25am

re: #91 theheat


Not enough Vick's Vapo-Rub.

95 ryannon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:42:13am

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

Isis - Weight

From the album Oceanic.

Already posted in your general link on top, but I can't say enough good about Sigur Ros. If you like Isis, I'd think you'd really appreciate this Icelandic group with a worldwide following:

96 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:42:37am

re: #94 Fenway_Nation

Or salt. Or Tabasco sauce. Or garlic. Or jalapenos.

Great. Now I'm getting hungry.

97 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:53:07am

re: #96 theheat

Or salt. Or Tabasco sauce. Or garlic. Or jalapenos.

With a Vick's Vapo-Rub chaser?

/pineapple screwdriver and Bacardi & coke are duking it out to see which one can slake my thirst most effectively.

98 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:58:24am

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Well if you rub any of that in your eyes, you're gonna cry.

I don't drink the hard stuff much any more. But I do love my Guinness Stout. The darker the better. I like stuff so thick you practically have to stir it with a spoon.

But when the occasion calls for it, I make a wicked Bloody Mary.

99 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:09:34am

re: #98 theheat

But I do love my Guinness Stout.

"TO ARTHUR!"

100 freetoken  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:14:21am

Well, I see VDH has a new column up at PJM (to which I will not link)...

He goes overboard in appealing to the revanchists. Frankly, VDH is now writing "essays" which are no more than assemblages of populist talking points.

E.g., he goes on (and on) about oil... mentioning four states in which he wants drilling... only problem for VDH is that he doesn't about that which he is writing... or else he wouldn't have put the "Dakotas" in that list.

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:14:48am

Query...

For the most part, people contently wait in line at Wal-Mart to buy their Wal-Crap. People contently wait in line at the grocery store to buy their groceries. People contently wait in line at McDonald's to buy their McShit.

Yet when it comes to the Post Office, most people turn into bitching, crying special snow-flake princesses if they have to wait in line for more than three seconds for what they want.

WTF is up with that?

102 centaur  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:16:32am

Good morning. Could not sleep. Coffee on, listening to the King of the Surf Guitar -- that'll wake me up.

theheat: Guinness is my favorite too. Have you tried Smithwicks? Very good too.

103 centaur  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:21:31am

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth

I love Wal-Mart. McD's, not so much. Post office? Works okay, unless it's important/work related, then I use UPS--or PDF if and email.

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:21:51am

re: #95 ryannon

Thanks for the link. It's cool, but I am just not feeling it. No rhyme nor reason, I'm just a weird fucker when it comes to what I like musically. I can't even tell you why I like the music I do, other than to say "I just do".

105 theheat  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:21:52am

re: #102 centaur

No, never had a Smithwicks. Is it domestic US or imported?

106 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:23:37am

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth


Because they're running late for standing in line for their Wal-Crap and Crap McNuggets?

/Certain grocery stores are much worse than the Post Office, IMHO. I'm pretty sure these are union grocery stores, too.

107 centaur  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:23:44am

re: #105 theheat

Oh, it's Irish. Kind of a "light" Guinness, if that makes sense. Tasty. It's in more and more bars lately on draft -- check it out.

108 ryannon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:26:17am

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks for the link. It's cool, but I am just not feeling it. No rhyme nor reason, I'm just a weird fucker when it comes to what I like musically. I can't even tell you why I like the music I do, other than to say "I just do".


That's quite all right - no problem.

The important thing is to share - no accounting for taste, though.

109 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:27:09am

re: #103 centaur

I get all that. I just don't get why most people, who are normally content to wait in line for just about any other service, suddenly become so cranky and hostile when they have to do the exact same thing at the Post Office.

I don't get it, it's not at all comparable to the bureaucratic nonsense one might have to put up with at the DMV. You ask for what you want, they tell you what it costs, you pay them, you get it. Same as any other retailer.

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:30:21am

re: #108 ryannon

The important thing is to share - no accounting for taste, though.

I couldn't agree more, on both counts.

111 centaur  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:33:15am

re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth

Selective outrage. Maybe they complain because it's run by the gov. and makes an easy target pile on.

Or maybe because there's no pay off. Waiting in line for that Whopper and fired has a reward, waiting in line to buy that new digital camera or whatnot from Wal-Mart is worth the wait ... but sending a package, let it be over and done with.

Likely, both.

112 centaur  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:34:31am

fired=fries.

113 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:34:43am

re: #100 freetoken

Well, I see VDH has a new column up at PJM (to which I will not link)...

He goes overboard in appealing to the revanchists. Frankly, VDH is now writing "essays" which are no more than assemblages of populist talking points.

E.g., he goes on (and on) about oil... mentioning four states in which he wants drilling... only problem for VDH is that he doesn't about that which he is writing... or else he wouldn't have put the "Dakotas" in that list.

VDH, quite honestly, has been doing that sort of thing for a while now. The good and fair post he did about LGF was essentially an anomaly.

114 freetoken  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:38:42am

re: #113 iceweasel

VDH, quite honestly, has been doing that sort of thing for a while now.

He seems to be "mailing it in" these past couple of years... maybe he is tired of actually doing research and is in retirement, in practice, but keeps up his publicity to get folk to sign up for his Mediterranean cruises.

115 centaur  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:45:14am

re: #113 iceweasel

He makes a good point though about Obama not wanting to be identified as a "Chicago" politician--esp. with Rezko and shady real estate rumors vis-a-vis the Olympics. For that stuff though I read John Kass, and go to VDH for ancient military history.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:46:41am

re: #111 centaur

Selective outrage. Maybe they complain because it's run by the gov. and makes an easy target pile on.

I think that's it. I just find it strange that waiting in one line for certain goods/services you want is cool, but waiting in another line for other goods/services that you want is unacceptable.

People are strange.

I guess I am just venting because I had some business to attend to today at the local Post Office, and I had a variety of people all around me, practically standing right up my ass, bitching about the line. Bitching about other things that they would otherwise accept anywhere else.

117 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:50:28am

re: #114 freetoken

He seems to be "mailing it in" these past couple of years... maybe he is tired of actually doing research and is in retirement, in practice, but keeps up his publicity to get folk to sign up for his Mediterranean cruises.

That's my sense too. That he's been mailing it in for a couple of years now and basically writes what he knows will work for those readers.

He's not a total sell-out, or he would have joined in on the Wingnut War Dance over LGF, but he's not really engaged.

118 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:52:28am

re: #100 freetoken

Since you didn't bother linking the article, I don't get what your beef is. Are you objecting to the use of 'the Dakotas' as a singlular state or saying that there's no oil to be had in the Dakotas?

119 freetoken  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:53:23am

re: #117 iceweasel

There comes a time in many peoples' lives, from what I gathered, when they just want to be turned out to pasture. It happens at a variety of ages - for some in their 50's they are ready to spend all day on the golf course, while others like to work well into their 70's, or 80's.

If VDH has reached a point in his life where he no longer wants to research the topic in which he is interested - well, fine by me. If so, then Victor, go hit the golf courses.

120 Bagua  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:53:28am

Are we alone yet... ?

121 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:55:47am

re: #120 Bagua

No...and I just finished updating my blog.

Not Another New England Sports Blog! Now with 33% More Train p0rn!

122 freetoken  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:55:59am

re: #118 Fenway_Nation

Charles does not want links to PJM here...

On the Dakotas... what VDH is selling is some more grievance theatre to the revanchists, about how mean old government is preventing oil exploration and development... and he lists a handful of states.

Unfortunately for VDH's grievance claims, there is plenty of oil drilling in the Dakotas and there has been for a long time! Drilling in the Dakotas is controlled by the economics of oil exploration, not those mean nasty environmentalists.

123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:58:23am

re: #120 Bagua

If your name ain't Tiffany, then the answer is "hell no".

124 Bagua  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:59:33am

Right.. then let me my report post in parts, and more...

Bagua can confirm that the world is a strange and wondrous place,
and Texas is even stranger... the world is also a cruel place,
a beautiful place, and more…

Much can happen in 24 hours...

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:00:19am

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

"Today's Train of Though"...

Fix that, bro.

126 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:00:31am

re: #122 freetoken


Right- I remember CNN comparing some of the new money from the oil revenues to the Beverly Hillbillies. I can also think of at least three railways that are making some serious money hauling inbound drilling and exploration equipment and outboud crude for refining in the NW corner of North Dakota or NE corner of Montana whereas previously they were just content to haul grain and sugarbeets or just pass through on their way from the Twin Cities to Seattle.

Mean old government and whackjob environmentalists are more applicable to offshore drilling, IMHO.

127 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:06:02am

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

Hell no- Took me three attempts just to get the name of the town spelled correctly.

/I mean...what the hell kind of name isBed-ford?

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:10:03am

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

Ha! But you did fix it. Just trying to be helpful, as I'm sure you know.

129 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:11:18am

Good Morning LGF.
One of my fave weights.

130 freetoken  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:12:04am

re: #126 Fenway_Nation


Mean old government and whackjob environmentalists are more applicable to offshore drilling, IMHO.

Even there it is more NIMBYism than anything else. In Florida, whose western coastal areas contain likely natural gas deposits (though probably not much oil, according to the US govt), it is the Floridians who don't want to see rigs off their shores. BTW, we currently has a glut of natural gas here in the US, which has driven the price way down and subsequently drilling has decreased.

In California there has been, and continues to be, oil drilling in the central part of the state, where much oil has been produced. The offshore area from LA to Santa Barbara is known, from past drilling, to likely to have small deposits of relatively easy to access (for underwater sources) oil, but it is the people of those counties who really don't want the drilling off-shore and in this case (unlike Florida) the wells really would be close to shore.

The only place I know of where there is a reasonable shot of finding a meaningful domestic source of oil (according to the USGS and the MMS), whose access is also being fought by a united "environmentalist" front against the wishes of the locals, is in ANWR.

131 freetoken  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:12:58am

pimf has "have"

132 Bagua  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:14:11am

Part I:

Having jousted with an errant – but well meaning Knight: (Quixote)
Our tilting interrupted by the Black Knight Salamantis.
With appearance Dark Raven in the form of Falcon.
The hour was late, and ponderous matters left unsettled,
On the seemly, sad uncertain, of the dead thread… alive… uncertain.


Shattered was the Nights Plutonium Shore, by an electrical storm
Of strange frequency and duration. For thirty minutes or more
Never more than two seconds between flashes, and often three strikes Per second, or more,

Not the tame heat lightning of the normal world this came with thunder, Rain, and more. Just after Dark Raven said: Nevermore.

One imagines storms on Venus, some hell where life could live,
But nevermore
Some hot hell of sauna gasses, a future hell, if real, comes faster
The weather truly did grow frightening, lasting, strongly long the flashing

Retreating back into my chamber turning
All my soul within me burning
Dreaming dreams no warming skeptic ever dreamed before.
Thrilled me, filled me with fantastic weather never seen before.

But the thunder gave no freetoken, and Ice remained unbroken
The storm had past, Bagua unbroken, soon clocked the air had cooled,
Entry to the ever vigilant Journal, a valid data point, jotting, fine tuning
Noting, and nothing more.

Cast upon my silken sad uncertain, rustling of mouse clicks uncertain,
Googling deep into the net staring, let me this mystery explore.
Thus my fancy turned to smiling...
It is but a thunder, lightnin’ rapid, some tropical anomaly,
Flashing beyond my chamber door, some strongly flashing
Strobe beyond my open door, no warming demon this,
This it is, a stately storm and nothing more.

Soon again I heard a flapping, of a pet duck some beast was trapping,
Shrieking in pain, terror and more. Startled by the stillness broken
The tame ducks fed beyond my chamber door,
Some tame ducks upon the river, drying
Old friend cold Weasel had found before.
Here I opened wide my door. Horror there, happy house,
Nevermore.

133 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:26:00am

BTW- exactly how crestfallen did Chicagoans look upon the IOC's announcement that the 2016 Summer Olympiad would be taking place elsewhere?

My first reaction was: The average Chicagoan is probably a Cubs fan- you think they'd be used to disappointment.

134 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:27:09am

re: #129 Spare O'Lake

Morning, Spare of the freshwater aquatic body persuasion!

135 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:31:34am

re: #132 Bagua

Wellplayed, sir. Well played!

136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:33:55am

I like mixing fresh fruit with cottage cheese. Is it weird that I also like to liberally dust that mixture with black pepper?

/drunk eating

137 Bagua  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:34:32am

Part II:

Tempo changes:

It was a confusing sight at first, no fox, no Weasel,
A thin man shirtless, his jeans sagging revoltingly.
A beer in one hand.

Beside him a chubby girl holding a broom handle?
Unable to comprehend. No doubt his mate.

I saw the man kick the large while the white duck lay dying,
In the yard below me.
Confused I wondered, “Surely he found the duck wounded,
And is making short his suffering.

She said “Its still alive” its head on the cement path, body on the grass.
The man approached and stomped its head a dozen or more times.
The horror of such egregious violence shocked me into awareness
That it was a crime, not mercy.

A large tame duck, nearly a goose, no honor student, no child,

My mind thought of camera, none handy, and also of guns, then the phone
As the savage picked up the dead duck, its head shattered and mangled,
And the pair took off running and laughing before I could react on my high balcony.

Too late to shoot or film, I dialed: 411 (Bagua gets flustered)
Hearing the message I dialed again:
911 – and gave my report, precious seconds and I described their deeds
And guessed their likely escape route.

Then, against reason, chose to be citizen on patrol.
And set out into the darkness to stalk these savage freaks
I spotted the local PD, fast on scene, but typically,
On the wrong side of the river.

138 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:40:47am

re: #137 Bagua

Holy cow! Bravo!

139 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:42:01am

re: #130 freetoken

There has also been some recent excitement about the deeper parts of the Gulf of Mexico. Isn't there still a lot of optimism for many more GOM oil strikes to be reported in the next few years?

140 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:43:30am

re: #137 Bagua


Too late to shoot or film, I dialed: 411 (Bagua gets flustered)
Hearing the message I dialed again:
911 – and gave my report, precious seconds and I described their deeds
And guessed their likely escape route.

Then, against reason, chose to be citizen on patrol.
And set out into the darkness to stalk these savage freaks
I spotted the local PD, fast on scene, but typically,
On the wrong side of the river.

I'm still cracking up over these. Brilliant!

141 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:47:24am

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

Morning, Spare of the freshwater aquatic body persuasion!

And the top of the morning to the green monster of the fen.

142 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:48:50am

re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth

Bet it tastes even better coming back up

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:51:07am

I get to go to a BBQ today. It is a sorta wake. My friend of 30 years was shot in Texas 4 weeks ago. I still have no details on what happened. My circle of friends, those who I have known forever, is shrinking. I consider myself young still. This was a guy who would never back down from a fight. And he would always be beside you if needed. Miss you, my friend.

144 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:52:44am

re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth

I like mixing fresh fruit with cottage cheese. Is it weird that I also like to liberally dust that mixture with black pepper?

/drunk eating

Fruit salad with a scoop of peppered cottage cheese works for me too.
Not weird at all - I like fresh black pepper on almost anything.

145 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:52:45am

re: #141 Spare O'Lake


Now that we have all these international players, I wonder if the 37ft left-field wall at Fenway can be translated into something with a more dramatic and flowery flourish than the Green Monster.

/How does one say 'Glorious Emerald Beast' in Japanese?

146 freetoken  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:53:56am

re: #139 Spare O'Lake

Yes... but I guess that shows my point: oil drilling is alive and well in the US and is principally limited by geology and economics, not that environmentalists are cordoning off the good stuff. See:

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

Mexico btw has over the past couple of years been talking more and more about exploring their portion of the deep parts of the GOM. There is even a territorial dispute with the US that gained some notoriety last year. However, drilling in deep water is reported to be very expensive, and PEMEX doesn't have the funds to pursue deep water drilling on their own, so the Mexicans might, for the first time in many years, allow the international (private) oil companies do the deepwater discovery.

The takeaway from all of this: oil is a commodity whose production is controlled by economics, and the grievance theater for the revanchists has little merit (outside, as I mentioned earlier, ANWR.)

147 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:54:14am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

Bet it tastes even better coming back up

Cud you please stop that?

148 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:55:57am

re: #147 Spare O'Lake


Oh lordy- it's a little early to be regurgitating the same old lame puns today, isn't it?

149 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:58:27am

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

I get to go to a BBQ today. It is a sorta wake. My friend of 30 years was shot in Texas 4 weeks ago. I still have no details on what happened. My circle of friends, those who I have known forever, is shrinking. I consider myself young still. This was a guy who would never back down from a fight. And he would always be beside you if needed. Miss you, my friend.

I'm so sorry. {CCA}

150 Bagua  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 3:58:52am

Part III:

After a troubled sleep, uneasy, uncertain
I headed to the laboratory as models need tweaking
And data sampling, and the endless lists of numbers.

Yet, the trailer trash escaped,
And I’m troubled that in this world there are great minds thinking
Moral minds debating, artistic minds creating, and also those
Whose pleasure lay in deviant pleasure, unpunished by my action.

The world was uncomfortable again,
Profession feels hollow, I’d prefer to walk the night with my own stick,
And see what I would find.

Uneasy I casualy scanned the music events listing,
And Friday closed into weekend,
I knew there was nothing important familiar with the latest paper.

Scanning without any intent or motive,
The smaller bars with unknown bands.


EEK - A - Mouse !!!

Impossible, I called, some unknown pub.
“Not the real one, from Jamaica?”
Some small venue, not an amphitheatre?


Plans change quickly in the living world.
MapQuest and “Cato, fire up the silver hornet.”

(Bagua is always late and often underestimates the task,
Addendum Parts to follow faster)

151 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:02:04am

re: #148 Fenway_Nation

Oh lordy- it's a little early to be regurgitating the same old lame puns today, isn't it?

Yes, I agree, let's heave them over the side.

152 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:05:20am

re: #151 Spare O'Lake

And let's make it a point not to hurl invectives at each other.

153 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:05:38am

re: #145 Fenway_Nation

Now that we have all these international players, I wonder if the 37ft left-field wall at Fenway can be translated into something with a more dramatic and flowery flourish than the Green Monster.

/How does one say 'Glorious Emerald Beast' in Japanese?

IIRC that would be Godzilla.

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:07:53am

For whats is worth my high skool football team is 4-0. My favorite college is 4-0. We play Syracuse today. I hope I didn't jinx it.

155 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:09:04am

re: #153 Spare O'Lake

IIRC that would be Godzilla.

No no no! That would be 'Magnificent jade Creature'!
/

156 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:11:32am

re: #152 Fenway_Nation

And let's make it a point not to hurl invectives at each other.

I will not bring up the matter again.

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:11:54am

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

For whats is worth my high skool football team is 4-0. My favorite college is 4-0. We play Syracuse today. I hope I didn't jinx it.

I guess my english teacher was right. Me stoopid. Geez.

158 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:16:59am

re: #155 Fenway_Nation

No no no! That would be 'Magnificent jade Creature'!
/

How about "Rizard in Reft"?

159 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:19:51am

re: #158 Spare O'Lake


Ruh-roh!

160 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:20:43am

OK lizards- probably long past time for me to get some shuteye.

Weet dreams
(I can barley keep my eyes open!)

161 Bagua  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:22:15am

Part IV:

Fossil fuels flaring in the Ultimate Driving Machine®
The cool air filled with renewed hope, and change.
It’s never a good sign when One,
Speaks to the Police twice within 24 hours.

Bagua is also helpless in times of navigation,
Lost and entering on the wrong side of the city,
Unaware of highway exit. Could it be the Legend will be missed?

No where to turn around, meandering, cursing, fuming,
Weaving through the unfamiliar city… there’s Main street.

But it is a Texas street, long, windy, detours, bus lanes,
And horses!

Yes, horses, with policemen on top. A Texas Mounted Police,
Shining his flashlight nightstick at me, and muttering something,
Unintelligible to me. It was indeed words for me. Pull over,
His eagle eyes upon my window stickers.
(Bagua is also not so good at renewal taxes)

Yes, the Silver Hornet rampant, is being ticketed by a policeman on a horse,
Worse, he is so bewildered, and also pleased (and fearful)
Yet impossible to contain smiling and man and horse and street.

Things didn’t go so well, the hawk-eyed Old Bill sees evening,
And his horse smells everything.
“Are those other ID in your wallet?” So goes the drama.
No Mouse, rather rat’s in jail. Asked my age I get that wrong too,
(As I say, Bagua get’s flustered.)

Things are not going well, and the horse is very friendly and curious,
Sniffing my hand as I offer various IDs, sticking nose in car. “I travel and move a lot…”
“Gee, he never does that, must smell something sweet.
Have some candy?” Says the Ranger.
“Good grief, I think, I’ll never make the show now, (but what a story.)

162 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:22:44am

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

OK lizards- probably long past time for me to get some shuteye.

Weet dreams
(I can barley keep my eyes open!)

Good night, I hops to see you agrain.

163 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:41:15am

re: #139 Spare O'Lake

There has also been some recent excitement about the deeper parts of the Gulf of Mexico. Isn't there still a lot of optimism for many more GOM oil strikes to be reported in the next few years?

Sure. And rising costs make such exploration more attractive, as well as extraction.

164 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:50:10am

Good Morning Lizards.

Serious multi-tasking here. Making Cinnamon Buns and brewing a batch of Cherry Wheat for the FL/GA Tailgate on Halloween (beer for the tailgate, the buns won't last past this weekend).

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:50:14am

re: #163 SixDegrees

Sure. And rising costs make such exploration more attractive, as well as extraction.

But if we drill here we hate the enviroment or love big oil. I would drill in my back yard if I knew there was oil.

166 Bagua  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:51:43am

Part V:

The Ranger turns out to be a Knight,
Pleasant, professional, free to proceed.
Oh joy! As horse and man move away from the vehicle,

He turns and says, “Oh you can go.”
Still stunned and smiling “ I’m afraid to spook your horses.”

No worry, horse and man backup into the Main street,
And traffic is stopped so I can proceed.
“Thank you very much Officer.”
I think to myself, that was the finest officer I’ve been
Stopped by, (And I have a large data set spanning numerous
Nations)

It was a small club, impossibly small for the star it held,
An hour late! No Problem Jamaica. The Show had yet to start.

He was beyond belief, electric, yes, small crowd, yes,
Intimate, at times I too sang into the mike.
In fact the best show in living memory (mine)

And of course strange, after the show someone spoke to me in German,
‘Strange’ I thought, forgetting the Dutch on my T-Shirt back.
And I told Mouse my story of the Horse pull over car.
Thinking ‘he will think I’m a raving, “Is that the horse?” Says Mouse.
It’s there visible outside the door.

24 hours have now passed start to finish. And I am no wiser, yet vastly entertained.
My faith in the creative power of the universe and man restored.

fin

167 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:53:56am

re: #164 rwdflynavy

The cocktail party. Nice.

168 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:55:38am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

The cocktail party. Nice.

We aren't even going to the game, just got 4 tailgate spots for my squadron officers to hang out.

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:56:57am

WHAT'S UP BEOOOTCH!?

170 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:57:41am

Speaking of barf:

Is Ahmadinejad trying to hide his Jewish roots by bashing Israel? Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's scathing attacks against Israel and his repeated denials of the Nazi Holocaust could be motivated by a desire to conceal his own Jewish roots, an Iran expert told The Daily Telegraph on Saturday.

The British newspaper examined the Iranian leader's identity card which he displayed in public during his country's elections in March 2008.

The ID card bears his family's original surname, Sabourjian, which is a Jewish name that means cloth weaver, according to The Daily Telegraph.
Advertisement

The Sabourjians have historically been concentrated in the same region of Iran where Ahmadinejad was born, according to the report.

Ahmadinejad's identity papers indicate that his family changed its name and converted to Islam after he was born, the British newspaper said.

Iranian observers suggested that the president's constant verbal assault against Israel and Jews may be an attempt to prove his loyalty to Shia Islam while making every effort to hide his Jewish past.

"This aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's background explains a lot about him," Iranian studies expert Ali Nourizadeh told The Telegraph. "Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith."

"By making anti-Israeli statements he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections," Nourizadeh said. "He feels vulnerable in a radical Shia society.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

171 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:57:46am

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WHAT'S UP BEOOOTCH!?

What did you call me?

172 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:58:10am

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


WHAT'S UP BEOOOTCH!?

Morning FBV

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 4:59:11am

re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar

(*looking down... gently kicking dust*)

nuthin...

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:05:01am
175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:07:52am

I hate it when I have to call my cell phone just to realize it is sitting right next to me.

176 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:11:07am

re: #170 Spare O'Lake

Speaking of barf:

Is Ahmadinejad trying to hide his Jewish roots by bashing Israel? Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's scathing attacks against Israel and his repeated denials of the Nazi Holocaust could be motivated by a desire to conceal his own Jewish roots, an Iran expert told The Daily Telegraph on Saturday.

The British newspaper examined the Iranian leader's identity card which he displayed in public during his country's elections in March 2008.

The ID card bears his family's original surname, Sabourjian, which is a Jewish name that means cloth weaver, according to The Daily Telegraph.
Advertisement

The Sabourjians have historically been concentrated in the same region of Iran where Ahmadinejad was born, according to the report.

Ahmadinejad's identity papers indicate that his family changed its name and converted to Islam after he was born, the British newspaper said.

Iranian observers suggested that the president's constant verbal assault against Israel and Jews may be an attempt to prove his loyalty to Shia Islam while making every effort to hide his Jewish past.

"This aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's background explains a lot about him," Iranian studies expert Ali Nourizadeh told The Telegraph. "Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith."

"By making anti-Israeli statements he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections," Nourizadeh said. "He feels vulnerable in a radical Shia society.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Link to the Telegraph story: [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
WTF - Ahmadinejad is a J...J...J... - oh forget it, I can't even say it!

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:13:46am

Crap. I have to start drinking beer in 4 hours.

178 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:16:55am

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

Crap. I have to start drinking beer in 4 hours.

Not soon enough?

179 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:17:47am

re: #178 rwdflynavy

Not soon enough?

I might start at 11.

180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:20:55am
181 ohpleaseno  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:24:37am

re: #168 rwdflynavy

Go Gators!

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:25:31am

re: #181 ohpleaseno

Go Gators!

Go USF Bulls!!!

183 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:25:36am

Krauthammer on Iran: Obama's French Lesson

184 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:29:40am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

Go USF Bulls!!!

Go Hawkeyes!

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:31:09am

re: #184 Pianobuff

Go Hawkeyes!

Go local sports team!

186 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:31:51am

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Go local sports team!

Not local, but a sentimental favorite. I don't root for any of the local teams here (LA).

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:32:58am

re: #186 Pianobuff

Not local, but a sentimental favorite. I don't root for any of the local teams here (LA).

Go LSU!!! Maybe not.

188 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:33:51am

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

Go LSU!!! Maybe not.

Ooops on my part... LA = Los Angeles in this case.

189 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:38:31am

re: #183 Pianobuff

Krauthammer on Iran: Obama's French Lesson

Krauthammer, as usual, is right on the money.
Obama is naive and worse than useless - so taken with the sound of his own voice that he thinks that the stench of his constant stream of bullshit will go undetected.

190 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:51:04am

re: #183 Pianobuff

Krauthammer on Iran: Obama's French Lesson

When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom.
oh Lawdy...Obama is taking us to the edge

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:57:11am

re: #190 HoosierHoops

I wonder how many have buyers remorse.

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:57:19am

re: #190 HoosierHoops


Oh, lo'dy, lo'd, he's desp'it! Do what he sayyy, do what he sayyy!


-Blazing Saddles

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:58:37am

But I do not blame him for Rio.

Let the kidnappings begin...

194 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:58:41am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wonder how many have buyers remorse.

He keeps this crap up he'll be a one term prez..

195 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:58:56am

re: #189 Spare O'Lake

From Krauthammer's article:

"At the time, we had no idea what Sarkozy was fuming about. Now we do. Although he could hardly have been surprised by Obama's fecklessness. After all, just a day earlier in addressing the General Assembly, Obama actually said, "No one nation can ... dominate another nation."

What a complete fucking moron Obama is.

I'm sorry, I'm trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt but on the things that count the son of a bitch is probably going to get people killed.

Yes the right should not flip out about Obama, it distracts from the real objections to him that Krauthammer's article sets forth.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 5:59:35am

re: #195 Ojoe

Abso-frickin'-lutely.

197 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:00:30am

re: #195 Ojoe

From Krauthammer's article:

"At the time, we had no idea what Sarkozy was fuming about. Now we do. Although he could hardly have been surprised by Obama's fecklessness. After all, just a day earlier in addressing the General Assembly, Obama actually said, "No one nation can ... dominate another nation."

What a complete fucking moron Obama is.

I'm sorry, I'm trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt but on the things that count the son of a bitch is probably going to get people killed.

Yes the right should not flip out about Obama, it distracts from the real objections to him that Krauthammer's article sets forth.

but, but... hope and change! Unicorns!
//

198 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:03:20am

re: #197 rwdflynavy

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The previous moron, & here we go again.

199 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:03:36am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But I do not blame him for Rio.

Let the kidnappings begin...

Good Morning...Reservations on AA for august 2016 to Rio are 917.00 round trip..Screw it...I'm going to the Olympics.. It would have been better to take the Train to Chicago with the boys and get trashed on the 4 hour ride to see a REAL OLYMPICS BASKETBALL GAME...I mean seriously...Trash talking somebody that doesn't understand english will be sweet.
/

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:04:33am

I linked a story a few days ago... to lazy to find it now... that in Rio the kidnapping ransoms demanded are far less than in other parts of Brazil.

What a bargain!

201 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:05:47am

re: #113 iceweasel

VDH, quite honestly, has been doing that sort of thing for a while now. The good and fair post he did about LGF was essentially an anomaly.

I don't think it was an anomaly at all. I read most of what VDH posts at NRO, and I find a lot of it is still well thought out and fair, but there's also stuff that I simply don't find at all interesting. I haven't read the article about drilling, unless it was on NRO in which case I've forgotten about it. What is the other site that you referred to and to which you didn't want to link?

202 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:05:51am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I linked a story a few days ago... to lazy to find it now... that in Rio the kidnapping ransoms demanded are far less than in other parts of Brazil.

What a bargain!

Think I'll kidnap a smoking hot Latin girl...Wait..You didn't mean that...

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:06:04am

re: #199 HoosierHoops

Can I have $917.00?

204 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:06:48am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can I have $917.00?

It's 12.00 a month till 2016..Start saving Now!

205 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:07:17am

re: #201 John Neverbend

What is the other site that you referred to and to which you didn't want to link?

Sorry, it was Freetoken, and I think I know the site.

206 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:07:38am

re: #195 Ojoe

Feet of clay. Standing in crap.

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:08:35am

re: #202 HoosierHoops

Think I'll kidnap a smoking hot Latin girl...Wait..You didn't mean that...

Well, they ain't Latin... I love this version...

208 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:10:33am

How long before Obama, the left wing media & the Obama singers blame Bush for Chicago losing out on the Olympics?

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:11:46am

re: #208 right_wing2

How long before Obama, the left wing media & the Obama singers blame Bush for Chicago losing out on the Olympics?

Boil an egg.

210 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:11:51am

re: #208 right_wing2

How long before Obama, the left wing media & the Obama singers blame Bush for Chicago losing out on the Olympics?

I think there was already some of this yesterday.

211 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:12:23am

re: #208 right_wing2

How long before Obama, the left wing media & the Obama singers blame Bush for Chicago losing out on the Olympics?

I expect that to happen today. They'll say we were rejected because the legacy of the Bush years. Buffoons.

212 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:12:31am

re: #210 Pianobuff

I think there was already some of this yesterday.

On this board no less. World hates us, yadda yaddan teenage angst...

213 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:13:56am

re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, they ain't Latin... I love this version...

I have a buddy that tried to teach me that song on guitar...To freaking hard
I'll bet Charles can play it in his sleep...Pisses me off...
Dang guitarists!
/

214 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:14:41am

re: #195 Ojoe

From Krauthammer's article:

"At the time, we had no idea what Sarkozy was fuming about. Now we do. Although he could hardly have been surprised by Obama's fecklessness. After all, just a day earlier in addressing the General Assembly, Obama actually said, "No one nation can ... dominate another nation."

What a complete fucking moron Obama is.

I'm sorry, I'm trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt but on the things that count the son of a bitch is probably going to get people killed.

Yes the right should not flip out about Obama, it distracts from the real objections to him that Krauthammer's article sets forth.

The whole thing makes me cry. I wish Sarkozy could corner Obama and just yell at him for a few minutes to try to inject some sense into Obama.

I'm out. I'll probably be back tomrrow.

215 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:15:03am

re: #212 rwdflynavy

On this board no less. World hates us, yadda yaddan teenage angst...

Burris supposedly already stated yesterday that because of Bush the US reputation was so tarnished that the IOCC wouldn't consider us.

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:15:44am

re: #213 HoosierHoops

I have a buddy that tried to teach me that song on guitar...To freaking hard
I'll bet Charles can play it in his sleep...Pisses me off...
Dang guitarists!
/

He's a hippie. I sell him pot.
///

217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:18:04am

re: #208 right_wing2

Was probably a done deal before anybody even got to Copenhagen.

Rio's about as far from Middle Eastern Islamic Extremists as you can get.

I am thinking the IIOC is not thinking it is going to get better anytime soon.

218 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:18:41am

re: #215 Pianobuff

Burris supposedly already stated yesterday that because of Bush the US reputation was so tarnished that the IOCC wouldn't consider us.

Burris is a crack head.. The reason really is that S. America has never hosted the Olympics.. We have hosted 8 games...4 summer..4 winter
It's only fair..
Congratulations Rio!

219 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:19:55am

re: #217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now, with Rio's... reputation as a party city, with topless beaches, will the Islamic world boycott? Or will extremist elements of Islam start committing violence there in order to bring Rio to the high moral standards expected by the Hammies, Hezzies & AlQui's?

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:20:31am

I don't get why Florida hasn't gotten the winter games.

221 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:20:35am

re: #122 freetoken

Drilling in the Dakotas is controlled by the economics of oil exploration, not those mean nasty environmentalists.

I read the article, and I agree with your point above, but I don't think VDH was disputing this. He was simply asking for greater government encouragement for the development of oil exploration and production of new fields in North Dakota. I assume that one such project would be the Bakken Shale, the announcement of which came out in April 2008.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:20:59am

re: #213 HoosierHoops

But, I'll bet I can out-sing Charles...

The only thing that I can do, musically.

I do not like it when singers (only) call themselves "musicians". We're singers.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:21:35am

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

He's a hippie. I sell him pot.

Fear the pony-tail.

224 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:21:35am

Well, I gotta tell ya, I was starting to get just a little worried about Obama's weakness on Iran, but now that I know that Ahmadinejad is a Jew I will be sleeping a lot better.
///ubersarc///

[Link: [Link: www.haaretz.com...]...]

[Link: [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]...]

225 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:22:21am

re: #219 right_wing2

Now, with Rio's... reputation as a party city, with topless beaches, will the Islamic world boycott? Or will extremist elements of Islam start committing violence there in order to bring Rio to the high moral standards expected by the Hammies, Hezzies & AlQui's?

The beaches are topless? Yippee!
Beats Chicago by a mile...:)

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:23:01am

re: #225 HoosierHoops

I've never seen a nudist that I would like to see nude.

'Ceptin pictures from Rio.

227 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:24:02am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't get why Florida hasn't gotten the winter games.

It is perplexing. I was also wondering why the summer games aren't going to be in Calgary.

228 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:25:10am

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've never seen a nudist that I would like to see nude.

'Ceptin pictures from Rio.

/note to self..Pack a camera...

229 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:26:15am

re: #228 HoosierHoops

/note to self..Pack a camera...

And upload them.

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:27:14am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

Damn those Bush's.

231 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:28:13am

re: #199 HoosierHoops

Good Morning...Reservations on AA for august 2016 to Rio are 917.00 round trip..Screw it...I'm going to the Olympics

I'm not sure if it's still a problem, but it used to be a lot safer to fly into São Paulo and then take a domestic flight to Rio, arriving at the small domestic downtown airport, rather than Rio's international airport which is outside the main city. It's a lot longer, as you have to switch airports, I think, in São Paulo, and that's a real pain. It's the only way I've ever gone to Rio.

232 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:28:16am

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

And upload them.

My buddy went to Spain a few years ago..ahhh. the pics were spectacular...
/I'm in trouble aren't I?
//

233 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:29:08am

"Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon."

Winston Churchill

Yea Capitalism!!!

234 ryannon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:29:26am

re: #137 Bagua

Part II:

Tempo changes:

It was a confusing sight at first, no fox, no Weasel,
A thin man shirtless, his jeans sagging revoltingly.
A beer in one hand.

Beside him a chubby girl holding a broom handle?
Unable to comprehend. No doubt his mate.

I saw the man kick the large while the white duck lay dying,
In the yard below me.
Confused I wondered, “Surely he found the duck wounded,
And is making short his suffering.

She said “Its still alive” its head on the cement path, body on the grass.
The man approached and stomped its head a dozen or more times.
The horror of such egregious violence shocked me into awareness
That it was a crime, not mercy.

A large tame duck, nearly a goose, no honor student, no child,

My mind thought of camera, none handy, and also of guns, then the phone
As the savage picked up the dead duck, its head shattered and mangled,
And the pair took off running and laughing before I could react on my high balcony.

Too late to shoot or film, I dialed: 411 (Bagua gets flustered)
Hearing the message I dialed again:
911 – and gave my report, precious seconds and I described their deeds
And guessed their likely escape route.

Then, against reason, chose to be citizen on patrol.
And set out into the darkness to stalk these savage freaks
I spotted the local PD, fast on scene, but typically,
On the wrong side of the river.


May the gods see to it, I humbly beseech:
their empty heads
Smashed into bloody pulp;
Slowly, with determination and art
Two unworthy lives snuffed
Leaving only a malodorous
but fast dissipating trace,
Like some lingering fart.

235 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:30:04am

re: #231 John Neverbend

I'm not sure if it's still a problem, but it used to be a lot safer to fly into São Paulo and then take a domestic flight to Rio, arriving at the small domestic downtown airport, rather than Rio's international airport which is outside the main city. It's a lot longer, as you have to switch airports, I think, in São Paulo, and that's a real pain. It's the only way I've ever gone to Rio.

I'll check it on the web today..What Airline? AA?

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:30:27am

re: #232 HoosierHoops

My buddy went to Spain a few years ago..ahhh. the pics were spectacular...
/I'm in trouble aren't I?
//

Only if Ms. Hoops is behid you.

237 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:35:01am

re: #235 HoosierHoops

I'll check it on the web today..What Airline? AA?

AA or JAL to SP then Tam to Rio. It's a long drive, however, from SP international airport to the domestic airport. I think that some years ago, armed gangs were routinely hijacking taxis going from Rio International into the city. Eventually, they managed to hijack a taxi which contained, instead of tourists, a senior Brazilian judge, who was so horrified that he made sure that the military ruled out any repeats of the incident. This part may be apocryphal, but whenever I've been there on business, I've always been advised to go to SP first.

By the time 2016 rolls around, things will be quite different, and given the volume of tourists, I would have thought you'll have no problem. Also, I can't believe that the Brazilian government will allow anything bad to happen to incoming tourists, at least not between the airport and the city.

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:36:56am
239 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:37:48am

re: #237 John Neverbend

AA or JAL to SP then Tam to Rio. It's a long drive, however, from SP international airport to the domestic airport. I think that some years ago, armed gangs were routinely hijacking taxis going from Rio International into the city. Eventually, they managed to hijack a taxi which contained, instead of tourists, a senior Brazilian judge, who was so horrified that he made sure that the military ruled out any repeats of the incident. This part may be apocryphal, but whenever I've been there on business, I've always been advised to go to SP first.

By the time 2016 rolls around, things will be quite different, and given the volume of tourists, I would have thought you'll have no problem. Also, I can't believe that the Brazilian government will allow anything bad to happen to incoming tourists, at least not between the airport and the city.

4 Billion dollars for security should get me to my hotel...*wink*
What in a good hotel down there? This is going to be great...
World class athletes and topless beaches! What more does a man want?

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:38:56am

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh gosh! This is disgusting! Watch it.

That is some of the funniest shit ever. EVER!!!

241 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:39:17am

re: #237 John Neverbend

AA or JAL to SP then Tam to Rio.

The JAL non-stop flight to SP only goes from JFK, I think. AA may fly direct from other airports, but I've only ever flown from JFK.

242 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:40:24am

Hey, what's the latest on the LGF cookbook?

243 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:40:53am

re: #239 HoosierHoops

4 Billion dollars for security should get me to my hotel...*wink*
What in a good hotel down there? This is going to be great...
World class athletes and topless beaches! What more does a man want?

Beer. Steak. Whiskey.

244 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:41:51am

re: #218 HoosierHoops

Burris is a crack head.. The reason really is that S. America has never hosted the Olympics.. We have hosted 8 games...4 summer..4 winter
It's only fair..
Congratulations Rio!

Yes. I don't think there was any hope in hell of Chicago (or anyone but Rio) getting it, assuming that Rio had a competent plan, which they obviously did.

And this was the first time that the heads of all potential host countries went, so Obama had to go. He was gone only 24 hours; I can't get worked up over that.

And hiya, Hoops!

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:42:06am

re: #243 right_wing2

Beer. Steak. Whiskey.

Can I move in?

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:42:22am

re: #239 HoosierHoops

4 Billion dollars for security should get me to my hotel...*wink*
What in a good hotel down there? This is going to be great...
World class athletes and topless beaches! What more does a man want?

...and BRAZIL CAN AFFORD TO HOST THE FRICKIN' GAMES!

247 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:42:35am

re: #50 Conservative Moonbat

So I have to be forced to judge this man, whom I've never met, on somthing he said two years before I joined his website?

I'm just not willing to pass judgement against him on that. I don't know him. I don't know his life experiences. I don't even know what he said when he meant it. I don't know if he'd say the same thing now as he'd say then. I frankly think it's absurd to expect every member of his website to be willing and able to pass judgement one way or the on the basis of this.

To be honest, I really don't care. It was a long time ago.

this sounds like President Obama refusing to condemn jeremiah wright ...

"this is not the markos i knew ... "

248 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:43:17am

re: #247 _RememberTonyC

this sounds like President Obama refusing to condemn jeremiah wright ...

"this is not the markos i knew ... "

Dude, come on...

249 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:44:59am

re: #244 iceweasel

Good Morning Ice! Hope today finds you well
/Don't read the posts about topless beaches...I didn't mean that..
/Not
:)

250 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:47:21am

re: #218 HoosierHoops

Burris is a crack head.. The reason really is that S. America has never hosted the Olympics.. We have hosted 8 games...4 summer..4 winter
It's only fair..
Congratulations Rio!

That, and the fact that Rio bid $12.4 billion, against Chicago's $4.8 billion; and that the IOC is probably the worlds sleaziest, most corrupt organization, actively soliciting bribes from competing finalists.

251 avanti  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:47:30am

Good morning Lizards. It's funny how the smallest things remind me of what a great country we live in, and this weekend, it was a dinner party at the casino. Setting at our table were people from most cultures, Asians, whites, black and brown. A few beers into the evening, my wife was teaching a Chinese gal a line dance, a WWII vet was dancing with a young gal that recently immigrated from Russia and so on.
I don't think you'd find such a diverse group in most countries, and I think that's are strength, we get bits of the best from around the world.
BTW, as bad as the economy is, the 4 Harrah's proprieties booked over 5000 of their top level player for this weekends special events. Last night, we had the Dancing with the stars event,(Got to meet Shannon Elizabeth) tonight it's a Seinfeld show, I'm still about even on the tables and having a great time. If the rest of the businesses in this country could learn marketing from the casino industry, the economy would be going nuts. :)

252 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:48:20am

re: #248 iceweasel

Dude, come on...


Ice ... I don't really care about the little internal fights among Lizards. But sometimes people need to simply call out "wrongdoing," such as markos' shots at the mutilations and deaths in Iraq. That should be easy to condemn, unless someone doesn't think it was a bad thing.

253 TheRealThing  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:49:48am

Once more attempting to get the feel for this posting.
Why all the trouble and how do we new one to this learn without getting in trouble at the onset?

Will be on the road on some work, hope to check back in and get your answers.

254 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:50:48am

re: #248 iceweasel

Dude, come on...

Ice, are you a Brit? I'm not asking where you are currently living, but I seem to remember that you've used words like "wanker" in your prior threads. This would suggest that either you're a Brit or somebody who has lived in Britain at some point.

255 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:51:11am

Mr. Obama has done important, courageous things to restore America’s standing. After George W. Bush, it feels good — and safer — to know that people around the world feel better about this country and about this president

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

hahaha!...from the NYT...gotta love it

256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:51:19am

re: #253 TheRealThing

Speak your mind.

Don't pander. It's what politicians do.

Relax.

257 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:51:50am

re: #254 John Neverbend

Ice, are you a Brit? I'm not asking where you are currently living, but I seem to remember that you've used words like "wanker" in your prior threads. This would suggest that either you're a Brit or somebody who has lived in Britain at some point.

Dude, don't be a wanker!
//
not a brit

258 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:51:54am

Hello all, just pulled into Augusta Bay, Sicily. We're here for a few days while we pick up supplies and offload some other items.

259 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:52:26am

re: #257 rwdflynavy

Dude, don't be a wanker!
//
not a brit

Could be an Aussie

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:53:00am

re: #254 John Neverbend

Dirk Hardpeck.

Told ya. Can't help it.

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:53:19am

re: #256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speak your mind.

Don't pander. It's what politicians do.

Relax.


If more politicians spoke their mind, I would have someone to vote for.

262 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:53:57am

re: #257 rwdflynavy

Dude, don't be a wanker!
//
not a brit

Doesn't count. Besides when did Rahm Emanuel ever say "wanker"?

263 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:54:05am

re: #258 Hengineer

Hello all, just pulled into Augusta Bay, Sicily. We're here for a few days while we pick up supplies and offload some other items.

Freaking cool...Take pics!
hope today finds you well and healthy..

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:54:22am

re: #258 Hengineer

LONG TIME NO SEE! HOWDY!

265 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:54:50am

re: #252 _RememberTonyC

Ice ... I don't really care about the little internal fights among Lizards. But sometimes people need to simply call out "wrongdoing," such as markos' shots at the mutilations and deaths in Iraq. That should be easy to condemn, unless someone doesn't think it was a bad thing.

Yeah, I don't disagree with you. CM tried to address this on the last thread, that's all.

266 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:55:17am

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LONG TIME NO SEE! HOWDY!

Well howdy FBV, long time no see

267 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:56:57am

Hi all.

Vincent Carroll has a few things to say about Thomas Friedman's assessment.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Tom Friedman fears for his country because today's political mood is so raw. It reminds the eminent New York Times columnist, he wrote this week, of the mood in Israel just before Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995 — a time when "extreme right-wing settlers and politicians were doing all they could to delegitimize Rabin."

"The parallels to Israel then and America today turn my stomach," Friedman laments, adding his voice to many calling for more civility in political discourse.

He'll get no argument here about civility. From the boorishness of Joe Wilson and the fear-mongering of some radio talkers to the crackpot comparisons of the president to Hitler — not to mention the obsessive quest to prove Barack Obama is foreign born — some critics of the president have indeed leaped off the cliff.

But if Friedman considers the mood today a Petri dish for assassins, how would he describe the atmosphere during the previous presidency?

Midway through Friedman's column we are told that the mood during George W. Bush's tenure was bad, too — but never so bad, evidently, that it provoked the author then to suggest we were on the brink of a precipice and that liberals "who'd winked at it all" would find themselves complicit if a hothead picked up a gun to silence the commander in chief.

I happened to read Friedman's column while angry e-mails were streaming into my box in response to a column in which I denounced KBDI-Channel 12's decision to air 9/11 Truther documentaries. Scores of my correspondents defended the station, protesting that President Bush and his team had "sought a new Pearl Harbor to justify their proposed military conquests and arms buildup," to quote a fairly typical passage. It was time for scum like me to examine the evidence, they demanded.

This is lunacy squared — a president and his buddies committing high treason by pulling off an incredibly complex plot to murder thousands of office workers — yet such is the hatred for all things Bush that millions of Americans believe it. Until recently, there was one even working in Obama's White House.

And why wouldn't they, given the green light for such twisted hatred that was long provided by many esteemed Americans? As Peter Wehner observed recently on Commentary Magazine's blog, even a Democratic presidential candidate — Howard Dean in 2003 — described the notion that Bush might have been "warned ahead of time (about 9/11) by the Saudis" as "most interesting."

268 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:57:45am

Holy crap. I get to start drinking beer in 2 hours.

269 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:58:08am

... Carroll goes on to remind us...

Meanwhile, the roll call of prominent pols and commentators who accused Bush of being a despicable liar (Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry and a legion of others), who claimed he'd "betrayed" his country (Gore, Harry Reid, etc.), or who equated Republicans with "brownshirts" or Nazis (Gore, John Glenn, Garrison Keillor and many more) is almost mind-boggling.

No wonder Michael Moore's pulp propaganda attack on Bush, "Fahrenheit 911," became such a hit and was praised so lavishly (one of Carter's favorite movies, he said). Or that it was once fashionable not only to volunteer that you hated Bush but that you'd like to see him dead. In a recent issue of National Review, Jay Nordlinger recounts a host of these ugly eruptions, including Kerry joking with Bill Maher in 2006 that he "could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone." Funny, no?

Friedman believes that "a cocktail of political and technological trends have converged in the last decade that are making it possible for the idiots of all political stripes to overwhelm and paralyze the genius of our system." Maybe so, but it wasn't just fringe idiots who debased anti-Bush rhetoric with the crudest name-calling and vilest accusations. It was genuine opinion leaders and members of Congress such as Rep. Pete Stark, who just two years ago said troops were being sent to Iraq "to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."

Fortunately, the rhetorical excesses of the Obama haters are different so far in at least three respects.

First, they're usually not as vituperative.

Second, they're not nearly as common.

And third, they're being subjected, finally, to the withering criticism of establishment figures like Friedman.

270 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:58:30am

re: #254 John Neverbend

Ice, are you a Brit? I'm not asking where you are currently living, but I seem to remember that you've used words like "wanker" in your prior threads. This would suggest that either you're a Brit or somebody who has lived in Britain at some point.

I've lived in the UK, yes. Wanker, however, is used a lot in the lefty-sphere, since Atrios created a 'wanker of the day' award.

Also, wanker is just a great word.

271 avanti  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:58:50am

Just killing some time before another event at the casino and checked Gallup to find a interesting poll on the POTUS's popularity with Jewish voters.

Jews-Lead-Religious-Groups-Support-Obama.

272 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:58:58am

re: #265 iceweasel

Yeah, I don't disagree with you. CM tried to address this on the last thread, that's all.


no problem ... i wasn't on the last thread. if there's one thing about the mindset on LGF that i embrace, it's the importance of calling out all of the bad actors.

273 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 6:59:19am

Interesting to find out a local Denver TV station wants to play 9/11 troofer flicks.

274 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:00:13am

re: #273 FrogMarch

Interesting to find out a local Denver TV station wants to play 9/11 troofer flicks.

for purpose of ridicule or to "inform the mindless drones"?

275 avanti  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:00:27am

re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy crap. I get to start drinking beer in 2 hours.

It's 5 PM somewhere. :) See you all later, off to a brunch.

276 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:00:30am

re: #270 iceweasel

I've lived in the UK, yes. Wanker, however, is used a lot in the lefty-sphere, since Atrios created a 'wanker of the day' award.

Also, wanker is just a great word.

It's just fun to say!!

277 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:01:56am

re: #276 rwdflynavy

It's just fun to say!!

sure is, you bloody wanker!

278 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:02:09am

re: #274 Hengineer

for purpose of ridicule or to "inform the mindless drones"?

So the mouth-breathers on the left can re-live their glory days and re-capture that BDS that so propelled their daily lives. ...and for edukation. Alex Jones should be happy.

279 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:02:11am

re: #269 FrogMarch

... Carroll goes on to remind us...

In the interest of journalistic fairness, Friedman should take it up with this tool:

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Just sayin'

280 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:03:11am

re: #277 Hengineer

sure is, you bloody wanker!

Hengineer, What ship are you on? USN or Merchant or other?

My last time to Augusta bay was 1993. Been to Sigonella many times since then. 1993 was to meet the USS JOSEPHUS DANIELS (CG-27).

281 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:03:38am

Just watched Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa..funny movie
I counted 22 lawyers in the credits...22!
Damn..I want a team of 22 lawyers... I could own the world

282 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:04:07am

re: #270 iceweasel

I've lived in the UK, yes. Wanker, however, is used a lot in the lefty-sphere, since Atrios created a 'wanker of the day' award.

Also, wanker is just a great word.

I don't know Atrios. "Wanker" was in common usage when I was growing up, and not limited to any one political group. In fact, I don't recall the lefties at my university using it against me. They favoured things like "Zionist scum". Personally, I'm a fan of "smeghead", which never seemed to have quite made it to the levels of "wanker".

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:04:39am

re: #281 HoosierHoops

"It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it."
-Steven Wright

284 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:05:15am

re: #281 HoosierHoops

Just watched Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa..funny movie
I counted 22 lawyers in the credits...22!
Damn..I want a team of 22 lawyers... I could own the world

22 lawyers ... 11 on offense and 11 on defense? Sounds like a football game about to break out ...

285 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:05:20am

re: #282 John Neverbend

I don't know Atrios. "Wanker" was in common usage when I was growing up, and not limited to any one political group. In fact, I don't recall the lefties at my university using it against me. They favoured things like "Zionist scum". Personally, I'm a fan of "smeghead", which never seemed to have quite made it to the levels of "wanker".

Libs on campus called me "Baby Killer!" My response, "Never more than I can eat".

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:05:53am

re: #282 John Neverbend

I don't know Atrios. "Wanker" was in common usage when I was growing up, and not limited to any one political group. In fact, I don't recall the lefties at my university using it against me. They favoured things like "Zionist scum". Personally, I'm a fan of "smeghead", which never seemed to have quite made it to the levels of "wanker".

WTF is a smeghead?

287 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:06:51am

re: #279 _RememberTonyC

In the interest of journalistic fairness, Friedman should take it up with this tool:

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Just sayin'

77% vote yes.

288 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:07:48am

re: #282 John Neverbend

I don't know Atrios. "Wanker" was in common usage when I was growing up, and not limited to any one political group. In fact, I don't recall the lefties at my university using it against me. They favoured things like "Zionist scum". Personally, I'm a fan of "smeghead", which never seemed to have quite made it to the levels of "wanker".

ahhh I LOVE "smeghead" as a term of abuse. Red Dwarf fan?

289 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:07:52am

re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF is a smeghead?

Didn't you ever watch Red Dwarf?

290 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:08:29am

re: #280 rwdflynavy

USNS, the USNS Kanawha (click on my user picture/avatar).

We pull into the NATO pier across the water from Augusta Bay not far from Siracusa - we used to anchor closer in and take a liberty launch to Augusta, but now we have to arrange for buses to take us to Catania, Siracusa, or Siganella, the base.

We spend most of our time in the med pulling in and out of the NATO fueling pier on Crete, and we usually hire a bus into Chania then. I enjoy the port of Soudha Bay (Crete) than Augusta. Maybe if we hired a bus to Siracusa I might like it more, the bus ride to Catania is around 45-50 minutes, and the bus ride to Siracusa would be 20-25 minutes: to the base at Siganella its literally an hour.

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:08:44am

re: #287 FrogMarch

I voted no. Speak your mind.

Let the voters sort it out.

292 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:08:47am

re: #289 John Neverbend

Didn't you ever watch Red Dwarf?

Guess not.

293 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:09:31am

re: #292 Cannadian Club Akbar

Guess not.

Smegma-Head= smeghead.

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:09:40am

re: #289 John Neverbend

Didn't you ever watch Red Dwarf?

Shouldn't it be called "Red Little-person"?

295 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:09:49am

[Link: www.google.com...]

stimulating unemployment...I hear road repair sign painters are finding work tho

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:10:21am

re: #293 iceweasel

Smegma-Head= smeghead.

Why is this bad?

297 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:10:34am

re: #295 albusteve

[Link: www.google.com...]

stimulating unemployment...I hear road repair sign painters are finding work tho

Shovel stands (I mean Transportation workers) are finding employment, too!

298 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:10:54am

re: #288 iceweasel

ahhh I LOVE "smeghead" as a term of abuse. Red Dwarf fan?


Not exactly a fan, but an infrequent watcher.

299 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:12:19am

re: #274 Hengineer

for purpose of ridicule or to "inform the mindless drones"?

Perhaps KBDI channel 12 (a PBS affiliate) playing of 9/11 trofer flicks is an act to re-rally the left. When GWB was most hated - Obama and the democrats were flying high. If only the left could re-capture that glory... that pristine hatred.

300 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:12:34am

re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why is this bad?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

foul...and particualrly juvenile

301 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:12:52am

re: #298 John Neverbend

Not exactly a fan, but an infrequent watcher.

Same here; I reckoned you'd gotten the term from it though.

302 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:13:20am

re: #297 Hengineer

Shovel stands (I mean Transportation workers) are finding employment, too!

good one

303 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:14:03am

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I voted no. Speak your mind.

Let the voters sort it out.

Yeah. And don't you think forced apologies are silly? I do.
It's not as if both sides don't play in this over-the-top rhetorical game of BS.

304 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:14:35am

Judge to Prop. 8 backers: Turn over your papers

A federal judge has ordered sponsors of California's Proposition 8 to release campaign strategy documents that opponents believe could show that backers of the same-sex marriage ban were motivated by prejudice against gays.

As if it's not already really weird, it's getting weirder. This is extremely problematic.

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:14:41am

re: #303 FrogMarch

zackery.

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:15:35am

re: #303 FrogMarch

Yeah. And don't you think forced apologies are silly? I do.
It's not as if both sides don't play in this over-the-top rhetorical game of BS.

Apologize!

307 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:16:02am

Au revoir, lizards. Have fun!

308 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:18:55am

re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why is this bad?

Here's a good example:

Lister is trying to teach Kryten the robot to call Rimmer a smeghead.

309 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:19:54am

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

zackery.

"Apologize! APOLOGIZE!"

- A Fish Called Wanda

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:20:24am

re: #309 FrogMarch

306

311 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:20:28am

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Apologize!

Zackery. (You beat me to it)

312 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:20:39am

In his first speech before the UN General Assembly, Obama self-righteously preached, "Nothing is easier than blaming others for our troubles, and absolving ourselves of responsibility for our choices and our actions. Anybody can do that. Responsibility and leadership in the 21st century demands more." When away from the podium, however, Obama is the embodiment of hypocritical disappointment, never failing to shift blame for his lack of ability to an undeserving predecessor. It appears the more he talks the more it is apparent that, unlike George W. Bush, there is a glaring disconnect between what the President says and what he does.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

how people can blow this off is beyond me...I cannot believe BO can win another election against decent competition

313 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:22:04am

re: #304 BigPapa

Judge to Prop. 8 backers: Turn over your papers

A federal judge has ordered sponsors of California's Proposition 8 to release campaign strategy documents that opponents believe could show that backers of the same-sex marriage ban were motivated by prejudice against gays.

As if it's not already really weird, it's getting weirder. This is extremely problematic.

"what did you think, and when did you think it?"

314 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:22:08am
I cannot believe BO can win another election against decent competition

Unfortunately, I can't see any decent competition at the moment.

315 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:23:15am

re: #309 FrogMarch

"Apologize! APOLOGIZE!"

- A Fish Called Wanda

Apologize! APOLOGIZE!

-Meet Bill

316 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:24:21am

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it."
-Steven Wright

"My dental hygienist is cute. Every time I visit, I eat a whole package of Oreo
cookies while waiting in the lobby. Sometimes she has to cancel the rest of
the afternoon's appointments."

-Steven Wright

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:24:46am

re: #315 Hengineer

Apologize! APOLOGIZE!

-Meet Bill

"You owe me an apology."
Mr. Oyl, "Popeye" (the movie)

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:26:41am

I love this song...
Speaking of Popeye.

319 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:27:10am

re: #316 FrogMarch

"My dental hygienist is cute. Every time I visit, I eat a whole package of Oreo
cookies while waiting in the lobby. Sometimes she has to cancel the rest of
the afternoon's appointments."

-Steven Wright

I worked at a fire hydrant plant. You couldn't park anywhere near the place.
Steven Wright

320 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:27:49am

re: #315 Hengineer

Apologize! APOLOGIZE!

-Meet Bill

I missed the movie "Meet Bill". Is it worth seeing?

321 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:27:51am

re: #314 John Neverbend

Unfortunately, I can't see any decent competition at the moment.

won't take much...there are more conservatives in this country than liberals...it's just crunching numbers...but after Obama, what sort of POTUS will we have?...Huckaby? hahaha!...good lord

322 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:30:53am

re: #321 albusteve

won't take much...there are more conservatives in this country than liberals...it's just crunching numbers...but after Obama, what sort of POTUS will we have?...Huckaby? hahaha!...good lord

Someone will step to the plate. A conservative who runs on their beliefs, wins.

323 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:31:18am

A "home protection scheme" to prevent older people having to sell their properties to fund long-term care has been unveiled by the Conservatives.

In England, residential care costs must be met by the individual if they have assets of more than £23,000.

Tory Health spokesman Andrew Lansley said, if elected, the party would invite people to pay a one-off charge of £8,000 at 65 to waive fees for life.

Ministers have dismissed the voluntary scheme as "flawed and hasty".

The government put forward its own proposals on elderly care at the Labour Party conference.

Gordon Brown outlined plans for a "National Care Service" so those with "the highest needs" could be cared for in their own home.

Yeah, that'll work.

324 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:31:31am

re: #320 FrogMarch

I missed the movie "Meet Bill". Is it worth seeing?

Its not bad, Jessica Alba is in it, the guy who plays the main character in "Thank you for Smoking" is the lead character in this, I forget his name.

Basically its a story about a midlife crisis with no real happy feel-good ending, just kind of an ellipses, but still a good story.

325 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:33:10am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
get a load of this nannycrap...and the double talk for an explanation

326 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:33:38am

re: #320 FrogMarch

I missed the movie "Meet Bill". Is it worth seeing?

I think it was a straight to DVD movie...

327 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:37:48am

re: #324 Hengineer


Basically its a story about a midlife crisis with no real happy feel-good ending, just kind of an ellipses, but still a good story.

I'll put in on my "maybe" list.

328 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:38:08am

Unbridled laissez-faire capitalism is, by definition, social Darwinism. Economic eugenics.

Discuss.

329 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:39:06am

re: #327 FrogMarch

I'll put in on my "maybe" list.

I'm recording I am Legend
Pretty cool movie

330 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:39:24am

teeth tax?...it's likely
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

331 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:42:36am

re: #328 negativ

Unbridled laissez-faire capitalism is, by definition, social Darwinism. Economic eugenics.

Discuss.

'What we need is Democracy...DEMOCRACY!' /I want my democracy now!
-Michael Moore

(where 51% of the people get to tell 49% what to do. - That will save us!)
or something.

332 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:43:02am

re: #321 albusteve

but after Obama, what sort of POTUS will we have?...Huckaby? hahaha!...good lord

If that happens, my entire library of books on neo-Darwinism will suffer spontaneous combustion.

333 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:43:23am

re: #329 HoosierHoops

I'm recording I am Legend
Pretty cool movie

Is that with Will Smith? I like Will Smith. I still need to see 7 pounds.

334 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:45:35am

re: #333 FrogMarch

Is that with Will Smith? I like Will Smith. I still need to see 7 pounds.

Wasn't that the remake of Charlton Heston's "The Omega Man"?

335 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:45:56am

Have you ever felt like sticking a hot poker up your nose?

336 jaunte  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:46:20am

re: #335 MandyManners

If it helps with congestion, I'm ready.

337 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:46:21am

re: #333 FrogMarch

Is that with Will Smith? I like Will Smith. I still need to see 7 pounds.

Yes Will Smith.. I watched it the other day and forgot to record it...
Wouldn't it be cool to be the only person left in NYC?
I'd trash that city..Hehehehe

338 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:46:35am

re: #331 FrogMarch

'What we need is Democracy...DEMOCRACY!' /I want my democracy now!
-Michael Moore

(where 51% of the people get to tell 49% what to do. - That will save us!)
or something.

It'd be impossible to have a pure democracy in a country as big as America.
He should be happy to have our Representative-Democracy.

339 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:46:58am

re: #328 negativ

Unbridled laissez-faire capitalism is, by definition, social Darwinism. Economic eugenics.

Discuss.

We have lost our financial moral ground. By that I mean making gubment to be held accountable. They won't do it until we step to the plate.

340 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:46:59am

re: #335 MandyManners

Have you ever felt like sticking a hot poker up your nose?

I think that's what Edward II said as he was murdered.

341 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:47:49am

re: #337 HoosierHoops

Wouldn't it be cool to be the only person left in NYC?

The lines in Rite Aid would be shorter.

342 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:48:25am

re: #330 albusteve

teeth tax?...it's likely
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Fucking Commie bastards.

343 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:49:04am

Good morning, everyone!

I just saw this and thought it was kind of cool, so I'm sharing:

Buddha-shaped Pears

344 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:50:35am

re: #341 John Neverbend

The lines in Rite Aid would be shorter.

I was thinking bars, food, movies, riches ect...
I hadn't thought of the drug stores...Sweet...
*wink*

345 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:51:16am

re: #334 John Neverbend

Wasn't that the remake of Charlton Heston's "The Omega Man"?

Its kind of a remake of the original I Am Legend from the '50's.

The new one had better special effects, but the ending changed the storyline so much it totally lost the point of the original.

346 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:51:30am

re: #342 MandyManners

Fucking Commie bastards.

Good Morning Mandy...Hope today finds you well..
How is the little man today?

347 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:52:04am

re: #337 HoosierHoops

Yes Will Smith.. I watched it the other day and forgot to record it...
Wouldn't it be cool to be the only person left in NYC?
I'd trash that city..Hehehehe

I'd go shopping.

348 Hengineer  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:52:07am

Milton Freedman
Liberty and Equality

More from the same lecture

349 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:52:49am

re: #342 MandyManners

Fucking Commie bastards.

it just never ends...it becomes comical...this Congress is a disaster

350 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:52:52am

re: #344 HoosierHoops

I was thinking bars, food, movies, riches ect...
I hadn't thought of the drug stores...Sweet...
*wink*

Yes, I'd serve myself a few draught Guinnesses, but it would downhill from there.

351 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:53:24am

re: #347 FrogMarch

I'd go shopping.

you would be your own saleslady...

352 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:54:11am

re: #329 HoosierHoops

I'm recording I am Legend
Pretty cool movie

Trivia:
The original novel, "I am Legend" (which, unsurprisingly, vastly outshines the movie) was written by Richard Matheson, who wrote several stories used in the original The Twilight Zone series, including "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" which featured William Shatner. Matheson also wrote the Star Trek episode "The Enemy Within".

Your life is enriched by this knowledge; admit it.

353 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:54:52am

re: #350 John Neverbend

Yes, I'd serve myself a few draught Guinnesses, but it would downhill from there.

Add a shot and I am with ya.

354 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:55:13am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

sounds like the last gasp...donks mocking the republicans for not having their own plan...when clearly they would be mocked if they did

355 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:55:20am

re: #347 FrogMarch

I'd go shopping.

Amen to that...Finally I'd get that yellow Convertible BMW to cruise the Avenue of Americas at 90 mph wearing spiffy clothes...Gold and Diamonds Baby!
*wink*

356 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:56:13am

re: #338 Hengineer

It'd be impossible to have a pure democracy in a country as big as America.
He should be happy to have our Representative-Democracy.

I've noticed that some folks on the left no longer admit they want socialism.
(which is what they DO want) People like Moore anyway. So instead they just say "Democracy".

357 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:57:07am

re: #355 HoosierHoops

Amen to that...Finally I'd get that yellow Convertible BMW to cruise the Avenue of Americas at 90 mph wearing spiffy clothes...Gold and Diamonds Baby!
*wink*

Good idea. Then, I could move into that apartment on 5th avenue with views of Central Park. Life would be good...for a few hours. Then I'd probably move to Riverdale.

358 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:58:11am

re: #330 albusteve

But the tax, expected to raise about $40 billion over the next decade, is still in the bill and includes items like:
* Pacemakers
* Hip joint replacements
* Gastrointestinal tubes
* Artificial hearts
* Hearing aids
* Porcelain teeth
* Heart defibrillators
* Prosthetic heart valve rotators
* Powered wheelchairs
* Ventilators


New taxes for pacemakers and wheelchairs. Change!

359 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:58:29am

re: #335 MandyManners

Have you ever felt like sticking a hot poker up your nose?

No.

360 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:58:52am

Beer drinking starts in 1 hour.

361 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:59:39am

re: #360 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beer drinking starts in 1 hour.

Er, why can't you start right now?

362 jaunte  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:59:42am

* hides beer under table *

363 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:00:00am

re: #360 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beer drinking starts in 1 hour.


I already had breakfast.

364 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:00:06am

re: #361 John Neverbend

Er, why can't you start right now?

College football..
It's the law

365 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:00:18am

re: #355 HoosierHoops

Amen to that...Finally I'd get that yellow Convertible BMW to cruise the Avenue of Americas at 90 mph wearing spiffy clothes...Gold and Diamonds Baby!
*wink*

Driving around in a BMW at dangerously high speeds appeals to me.

366 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:00:45am

re: #361 John Neverbend

Er, why can't you start right now?

Still on the blend.

367 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:01:40am

re: #366 Cannadian Club Akbar

Still on the blend.

You're making your own beer?

368 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:02:07am

re: #365 FrogMarch

Driving around in a BMW at dangerously high speeds appeals to me.

My son is out of the Marines now..Going to be a local cop...
I told him if I ever get a speeding ticket..Christmas is going to suck for you..
That's how I roll.. *wink*

369 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:02:46am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

BO puts the onus on the IAEA to deal with Iran...ElBaradei and his henchmen...that should work out swell

370 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:03:08am

re: #365 FrogMarch

Driving around in a BMW at dangerously high speeds appeals to me.

I did it once on the M1 going into London. It lost its appeal after that.

371 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:03:12am

re: #367 John Neverbend

You're making your own beer?

CC is a blend as opposed to a whiskey.

372 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:04:13am

re: #370 John Neverbend

I did it once on the M1 going into London. It lost its appeal after that.

You have to be alone on the planet for the appeal to work properly.

373 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:05:28am

Good morning, dear friends.
I was out of comission last night... anything interesting happen?

374 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:05:31am

re: #330 albusteve

teeth tax?...it's likely
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

If it moves... tax it.

375 sadhu  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:05:34am

I'm in Umbria at my sister's place for a visit and the grape harvest AND above the outside door to the kitchen is a sign that reads "Lizard Lounge"

wherever you go, there you are

om sweet home

great wine too :)

376 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:05:44am

Queue the Twilight Zone music..

Witness Mr. Henry Bemis, a charter member in the fraternity of dreamers. A bookish little man whose passion is the printed page but who is conspired against by a bank president and a wife and a world full of tongue-cluckers and the unrelenting hands of a clock. But in just a moment Mr. Bemis will enter a world without bank presidents or wives or clocks or anything else. He'll have a world all to himself, without anyone.
377 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:06:17am

re: #365 FrogMarch

Driving around in a BMW at dangerously high speeds appeals to me.

I was tooling across the mesa driving my ex wife's new turbo Mini last week...130 easily...what a hot little car, with like 10 inch brake discs...talk about stop on a dime

378 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #374 FrogMarch

If it moves... tax it.

if it doesn't move, tax it

379 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:08:08am

re: #372 FrogMarch

You have to be alone on the planet for the appeal to work properly.

It was late at night, and there were no other cars.

380 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:08:48am

re: #378 albusteve

if it doesn't move, tax it

If it fail, subside it.

381 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:09:41am

re: #346 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Mandy...Hope today finds you well..
How is the little man today?

Finer than a frog's hair split three ways.

How're you?

382 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:09:54am

re: #377 albusteve

I was tooling across the mesa driving my ex wife's new turbo Mini last week...130 easily...what a hot little car, with like 10 inch brake discs...talk about stop on a dime

Sweet.

383 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:09:57am

re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar

If it fail, subside it.

Ooh, nice subjunctive in the first part. Was it intentional?

384 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:11:27am

re: #383 John Neverbend

Ooh, nice subjunctive in the first part. Was it intentional?

No. And I can't spell.

385 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:11:35am

re: #375 sadhu

I'm in Umbria at my sister's place for a visit and the grape harvest AND above the outside door to the kitchen is a sign that reads "Lizard Lounge"

wherever you go, there you are

om sweet home

great wine too :)

Umbria? Is that some kind of furrin place?

386 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:12:37am

re: #349 albusteve

it just never ends...it becomes comical...this Congress is a disaster

At least they won't tax tampons!

387 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:14:01am

re: #386 MandyManners

At least they won't tax tampons!

I don't need no tampon!!! Oh, wait...
//

388 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:14:11am

I cannot believe I wrote that.

389 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:15:37am

re: #388 MandyManners

I cannot believe I wrote that.

I can't believe you believe it.

390 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:17:44am

re: #368 HoosierHoops

My son is out of the Marines now..Going to be a local cop...
I told him if I ever get a speeding ticket..Christmas is going to suck for you..
That's how I roll.. *wink*

A local cop - very nice.
Heh. Priorities!

391 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:17:47am

Did I kill it?

392 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:17:49am

re: #389 SixDegrees

I can't believe you believe it.

You realize she will give you a whoopin'?

393 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:18:39am

re: #381 MandyManners

Finer than a frog's hair split three ways.

How're you?

Wonderful Mandy...
Mandy is in da house! Hope you are well..
The pool is closed up...no swimming laps this Saturday morning..After the movie I'm putting on the New Balances and running...Sucks big time...
Maybe I should buy a bike and ride like Charles cause I hate running...
I hate running in chilly weather...No I hate it!
LOL
Always nice to see you Mandy

394 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:18:48am

re: #392 Cannadian Club Akbar

You realize she will give you a whoopin'?

Don't shoot the messenger.

395 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:20:37am

re: #392 Cannadian Club Akbar

You realize she will give you a whoopin'?

I feel too shitty to whoop anyone.

396 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:20:40am

re: #386 MandyManners

At least they won't tax tampons!

Sometimes, after the hot pokers up the nose cause the nose to bleed, it's a good idea to stuff tampons up there to keep from bleeding all over the place. I saw it on a Sex and the City episode.

I cannot beleive I just said that.

397 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:21:33am

re: #376 Mich-again

Queue the Twilight Zone music..

Now the questions that come to mind. Where is this place and when is it? What kind of world where ugliness is the norm and beauty the deviation from that norm? You want an answer? The answer is, it doesn't make any difference. Because the old saying happens to be true: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in this year or a hundred years hence, on this planet or wherever there is human life, perhaps out amongst the stars. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A lesson to be learned— in The Twilight Zone.

As of this moment, the wonderful electric grandmother moved into the lives of children and father. She became integral and important. She became the essence. As of this moment, they would never see lightning, never hear poetry read, never listen to foreign tongues without thinking of her. Everything they would ever see, hear, taste, feel would remind them of her. She was all life, and all life was wondrous, quick, electrical — like Grandma.

I'm missing 18 episodes from my collection. EIGHTEEN! This is a travesty.

398 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:22:07am

re: #393 HoosierHoops

Wonderful Mandy...
Mandy is in da house! Hope you are well..
The pool is closed up...no swimming laps this Saturday morning..After the movie I'm putting on the New Balances and running...Sucks big time...
Maybe I should buy a bike and ride like Charles cause I hate running...
I hate running in chilly weather...No I hate it!
LOL
Always nice to see you Mandy

All I wanna' do is curl into a ball and sleep for the next six months.

399 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:23:01am

re: #396 FrogMarch

Sometimes, after the hot pokers up the nose cause the nose to bleed, it's a good idea to stuff tampons up there to keep from bleeding all over the place. I saw it on a Sex and the City episode.

I cannot beleive I just said that.

Were they wearing Pradas?

400 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:23:22am

re: #398 MandyManners

All I wanna' do is curl into a ball and sleep for the next six months.

6 months ain't gonna do it.

401 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:24:32am

re: #398 MandyManners

All I wanna' do is curl into a ball and sleep for the next six months.

The days grow shorter, and hibernation mode kicks in.

402 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:25:20am

re: #399 MandyManners

Were they wearing Pradas?

Actually, it was one of the male characters. I think he was wearing athletic attire.

403 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:25:28am

re: #376 Mich-again

Time enough to read at last.

I can see myself as Mr Bemis.

404 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:25:28am

re: #390 FrogMarch

A local cop - very nice.
Heh. Priorities!

Can you imagine getting pulled over by your son for speeding ( everybody drives like idiots here)
Sir..Can I see some ID?
Are you serious?
Sir..Step out of the car...
Are you freaking serious?
Sir? Step out of the car...

405 MJ  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:25:56am

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's vitriolic attacks on the Jewish world hide an astonishing secret, evidence uncovered by The Daily Telegraph shows.

A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver...

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

406 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:26:08am

re: #400 Cannadian Club Akbar

6 months ain't gonna do it.

I can't sleep until next November.

407 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:26:29am

re: #401 Irish Rose

The days grow shorter, and hibernation mode kicks in.

Morning all. Warming up, 44 degrees here, I don't think it got under 34 last night.

408 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:26:31am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

and Cass Sunstein wants to ban hunting...bright guy

409 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:26:33am

re: #401 Irish Rose

The days grow shorter, and hibernation mode kicks in.

Do bears have sinus problems?

410 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:27:15am

re: #401 Irish Rose

The days grow shorter, and hibernation mode kicks in.

I lived in Canada for 3 months. What is there to do in the north besides drinking?

411 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:27:32am

re: #405 MJ


I guess 'dinnerjacket' must be closer to his name than we realized.

412 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:28:02am

re: #402 FrogMarch

Actually, it was one of the male characters. I think he was wearing athletic attire.

Nike? New Balance? Mephisto?

413 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:28:54am

re: #403 right_wing2

Time enough to read at last.

I can see myself as Mr Bemis.

Note to self: get a backup pair of glasses just in case..

414 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:30:13am

re: #410 Cannadian Club Akbar

I lived in Canada for 3 months. What is there to do in the north besides drinking?

That was SO phrased wrong. Sorry.

415 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:30:13am

re: #405 MJ

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past


[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

Oh, my stars and bars!

416 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:30:25am

re: #413 Mich-again

Contacts. 2 pr glasses. Might get along with strong enough reading glasses from Walgreens.

417 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:30:58am

re: #412 MandyManners

Nike? New Balance? Mephisto?

I don't know! but he had a tampon up his nose.

418 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:30:58am

re: #410 Cannadian Club Akbar

I lived in Canada for 3 months. What is there to do in the north besides drinking?

Have sex.

419 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:31:23am

re: #417 FrogMarch

I don't know! but he had a tampon up his nose.

I just spat out my peanuts.

420 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:31:53am

re: #411 right_wing2

I guess 'dinnerjacket' must be closer to his name than we realized.

*rimshot*

421 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:32:22am

re: #418 MandyManners

Have sex.

Mmmm. OK.

422 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:32:34am

I took an interesting little religious self-quiz on Belief.net this morning... the results are very interesting.

According to the results, I'm more aligned with liberal Christianity than I am with conservative Christianity, due to my passionate concern for social justice (as opposed to social conservatism)... a member of the Christian left, as opposed to a member of the Christian right.

Ya think?

423 Occasional Reader  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:32:47am

re: #385 MandyManners

Umbria? Is that some kind of furrin place?

Are you trying to stanch the flow of wealth from taxpayer to government?

424 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:33:25am

re: #408 albusteve

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

and Cass Sunstein wants to ban hunting...bright guy

The buggers LOVE to eat my lettuce.

425 Occasional Reader  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:33:26am

re: #405 MJ

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Schikelgruber, Part Deux

426 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:34:11am

re: #410 Cannadian Club Akbar

I lived in Canada for 3 months. What is there to do in the north besides drinking?

Curling?

427 Occasional Reader  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:34:26am

re: #422 Irish Rose

social justice

Please define.

428 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:34:31am

re: #421 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mmmm. OK.

You asked.

429 jaunte  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:34:39am

re: #426 Irish Rose

Curling?

Kipling?

430 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:35:13am

re: #404 HoosierHoops

Can you imagine getting pulled over by your son for speeding ( everybody drives like idiots here)
Sir..Can I see some ID?
Are you serious?
Sir..Step out of the car...
Are you freaking serious?
Sir? Step out of the car...

After he pulls you over, just be very polite and keep your hands on the top of the steering wheel. Cops love that - it's a sign of respect.

431 ryannon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:35:31am

re: #270 iceweasel

I've lived in the UK, yes. Wanker, however, is used a lot in the lefty-sphere, since Atrios created a 'wanker of the day' award.

Also, wanker is just a great word.


Spot on.

432 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:35:38am

re: #422 Irish Rose

what quiz was that?

433 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:35:46am

re: #418 MandyManners

Have sex.

Thats' what we rely on up here in Michigan to keep warm ;).

434 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:35:48am

re: #430 FrogMarch

After he pulls you over, just be very polite and keep your hands on the top of the steering wheel. Cops love that - it's a sign of respect.

SHOW SOME LEG.

435 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:35:53am

re: #410 Cannadian Club Akbar

I lived in Canada for 3 months. What is there to do in the north besides drinking?

Sex.

436 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:35:55am

re: #426 Irish Rose

Curling?

I actually saw a guy requesting curling as opposed to football.

437 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:36:23am

re: #429 jaunte

438 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:36:24am

re: #433 Irish Rose

Thats' what we rely on up here in Michigan to keep warm ;).

Cheaper than electricity, I suppose.

439 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:37:00am

re: #429 jaunte

-- never kippled

440 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:37:01am

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

high speed rail, from where to where?...where does CA come up with 4.7bil matching federal funds?...how will it create 130k new jobs?...these people are so stupid they can't figure out how to provide drinking water for themselves...

441 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:37:17am

re: #432 right_wing2

what quiz was that?

The "Belief-O-Matic", lol.
I have it linked on my blog if you want to give it a try.

442 Occasional Reader  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:37:52am

re: #434 MandyManners

SHOW SOME LEG.

Well... okay, I'll give it a shot.

443 jaunte  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:38:27am

re: #439 right_wing2

It will kill a little time between sex, drinking, and curling.

444 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:39:20am

re: #442 Occasional Reader

Well... okay, I'll give it a shot.

If that doesn't work, tune up and cry.

Oh, wait. That only works if you're a cute, little 16-year-old girl.

445 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:39:25am

re: #373 Irish Rose

Good morning, dear friends.
I was out of comission last night...

Sounds interesting. Tell us...

446 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:39:46am

re: #445 Naso Tang

Sounds interesting. Tell us...

Uh, no... ;).

447 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:40:38am

re: #410 Cannadian Club Akbar

I lived in Canada for 3 months. What is there to do in the north besides drinking?

Scrimshaw?

448 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:40:52am

See you guys during College Football..Time to run
I love you guys..Be well and safe..
Give em hell Mandy!
Me loves my black New Balance MX600AB..Sounds like a sports car...

449 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:41:38am

re: #448 HoosierHoops

See you guys during College Football..Time to run
I love you guys..Be well and safe..
Give em hell Mandy!
Me loves my black New Balance MX600AB..Sounds like a sports car...

Have a great day, Hoops.

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:41:45am

re: #447 Naso Tang

Scrimshaw?

What is that?

451 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:42:28am

re: #330 albusteve

teeth tax?...it's likely
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., wrote in a letter to Baucus that the tax "will seriously threaten thousands of American jobs and deter innovation." There are "many other ways to save money in health care," he said.

452 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:42:43am

re: #440 albusteve

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

high speed rail, from where to where?...where does CA come up with 4.7bil matching federal funds?...how will it create 130k new jobs?...these people are so stupid they can't figure out how to provide drinking water for themselves...


That's why they need the train. They are gonna go 'git it, one bottle at a time.
///

I feel for CA. The drought really sucketh.

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:42:48am

Out to punch the day in the face. Y'all have fun...

454 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:43:10am

re: #447 Naso Tang

Scrimshaw?

So, that's what you kids are calling it nowadays.

455 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:43:36am

We are 16 miutes away from beer time.

456 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:43:40am

re: #448 HoosierHoops

See you guys during College Football..Time to run
I love you guys..Be well and safe..
Give em hell Mandy!
Me loves my black New Balance MX600AB..Sounds like a sports car...

Watch out for pot-holes.

457 Occasional Reader  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:43:43am

Later.

458 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:44:09am

re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Out to punch the day in the face. Y'all have fun...

Watch out lest it punch back.

459 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:44:16am

re: #452 FrogMarch

That's why they need the train. They are gonna go 'git it, one bottle at a time.
///

I feel for CA. The drought really sucketh.

greens fees have skyrocketed

460 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:44:26am

re: #457 Occasional Reader

Later.

Sweet tater.

461 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:44:37am

re: #455 Cannadian Club Akbar

We are 16 minutes away from beer time.

tick tick tick tick tick...

462 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:45:18am

re: #451 MandyManners

Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., wrote in a letter to Baucus that the tax "will seriously threaten thousands of American jobs and deter innovation." There are "many other ways to save money in health care," he said.

he's suddenly an expert...a true blessing to the Party

463 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:47:02am

re: #461 FrogMarch

tick tick tick tick tick...

Just waterboard me. Jeez.

464 ryannon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:47:09am

re: #328 negativ

Unbridled laissez-faire capitalism is, by definition, social Darwinism. Economic eugenics.

Discuss.

In that case, the drug cartels are its best and most shining examples.

465 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:47:19am

re: #451 MandyManners

Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., wrote in a letter to Baucus that the tax "will seriously threaten thousands of American jobs and deter innovation." There are "many other ways to save money in health care," he said.

Franken said something vaguely intelligent? Excuse me, my head just exploded. I have to go pick up the pieces.

466 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:47:52am

re: #459 albusteve

I think they should convert an oil supertanker to fill up the hull with glacial ice and bring back about 70 million gallons at a time. Heck, its just going to melt into the ocean anyway.

467 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:48:10am

re: #462 albusteve

he's suddenly an expert...a true blessing to the Party

Well, I'll credit him with having some common sense.

468 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:49:16am

re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just waterboard me. Jeez.

In a few more minutes you can water board yourself... with sweet beer.

“I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.”
~Homer Simpson

469 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:50:26am

re: #465 FrogMarch

Franken said something vaguely intelligent? Excuse me, my head just exploded. I have to go pick up the pieces.

He can help you search.


470 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:50:30am

re: #427 Occasional Reader

Don't know about Irish, but my definition would be equality of standard/ opportunity. It might not result in equality of outcome, and needs to be limited (at least in legal terms) to equality before the law.

All Americans need to be held to the same standards when dealing with the government. This is, IMHO, the essence of limited government. A private business should, no matter how wrong it is, be able to discriminate. They're the ones who will lose out on loyal customers and innovative, hard-working employees. And yes, they'd more than deserve to be boycotted for their discrimination.

471 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:50:52am

re: #468 FrogMarch

In a few more minutes you can water board yourself... with sweet beer.

“I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.”
~Homer Simpson

11 minutes!!!

472 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:51:06am

re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just waterboard me. Jeez.

DOUGH… the stuff… that buys me beer
RAY… the guy that sells me beer
ME… the one… who drinks the beer
FAR… a long run to get beer
SO… I’ll have another beer
LA… I’ll have another beer
TEA… no, thanks, I’m drinking beer
That will bring us back to (looks into empty glass) D’OH!
~Homer Simpson

473 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:51:12am

re: #465 FrogMarch

Franken said something vaguely intelligent? Excuse me, my head just exploded. I have to go pick up the pieces.

Oops.


Image: al_franken_bunny_web.jpg

474 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:51:13am

re: #466 Mich-again

I think they should convert an oil supertanker to fill up the hull with glacial ice and bring back about 70 million gallons at a time. Heck, its just going to melt into the ocean anyway.

in college back in the 70's in my land use and water management classes this was discussed, that and hauling bergs down, then mine the water from them...this water problem was forseeable decades ago...I have little sympathy...and further the US should lead the world in desalination technology...but the enviroweenies see it otherwise

475 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:51:55am

"F" for "fart" and "F" for "Franken".

476 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:52:13am

re: #467 MandyManners

Well, I'll credit him with having some common sense.

common sense yes, but hardly a profound idea...sounds like a teenager

477 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:52:47am

re: #473 MandyManners

Oops.

[Link: www.frankenidiot.com...]

I cannot believe that's a photoshop. It's looks real.

478 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:52:55am

re: #474 albusteve

in college back in the 70's in my land use and water management classes this was discussed, that and hauling bergs down, then mine the water from them...this water problem was forseeable decades ago...I have little sympathy...and further the US should lead the world in desalination technology...but the enviroweenies see it otherwise

How about telling HOA's to get over their bad selves regarding Kentucky blue grass requirements.

479 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:53:36am

re: #476 albusteve

common sense yes, but hardly a profound idea...sounds like a teenager

You know I don't like the man but, I will give credit where it's due.

480 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:53:57am

re: #477 FrogMarch

I cannot believe that's a photoshop. It's looks real.

To my knowledge, it IS real.

481 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:54:11am

re: #477 FrogMarch

I cannot believe that's a photoshop. It looks real.

(not It's)
pifm

482 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:54:23am

re: #474 albusteve

A guy named Daniel DaCruz wrote a book (fiction) years ago about that. 'Texas on the Rocks'.

483 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:54:58am

re: #480 MandyManners

To my knowledge, it IS real.

I heard that it's an evil right-wing photoshop.

484 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:55:12am

re: #441 Irish Rose

Orthodox QUAKER?!

485 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:56:51am

re: #368 HoosierHoops

My son is out of the Marines now..Going to be a local cop...
I told him if I ever get a speeding ticket..Christmas is going to suck for you..
That's how I roll.. *wink*

do they give speeding tickets in Speedway, IN? That seems hypocritical to me ...

486 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:57:11am

re: #483 FrogMarch

I heard that it's an evil right-wing photoshop.

Look where his cheek and the bear's cheek touch. Looks real to me.

487 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:58:01am

re: #485 _RememberTonyC

do they give speeding tickets in Speedway, IN? That seems hypocritical to me ...

Isn't the county where Jack Daniels distilled a dry county?

488 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:58:19am

Aw, fuck PIMF.

489 Enkidu90046  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:58:29am

So, my GF and I were talking this morning about the Shalit tape and release of the 20 female prisoners. She asked me who these people being released are and what they had done. I told her that almost all of them were in jail for attempted murder and the handful that weren't for their participation in terrorist organizations. My GF then told me that she had heard a commentator on NPR talking about it and gave no indication that these women were arrested on charges so serious and was dismissive of the charges as being "minor".

Apparently the commentator did the whole "even-handed" bullshit to make it sound like there is equal suffering on both sides, both from the capture of Shalit and from the arrest of these terrorists on what was made to sound like trumped up charges. Basically they tried to make these women into Galid Shalit and make Israel into Hamas in the manner in which the prisoners have been captured and the lack of justification for it.

I have not heard the commentary to which my GF made reference, but it does not surprise me in the least. NPR is so strikingly anti-Israel it disgusts me... and playing the false moral equivocation angle is (to me) almost worst than outright support of the Palestinians because it is a more subtle form of bias that is more likely to sway people. I reminded my GF of the words of Sir Edmund Burke (all that evil needs to prevail is for good men to do nothing) in pointing out that NPR, by choosing to lie as it has and play the false middle, has made a choice... and it has chosen to support evil.

490 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:58:31am

re: #388 MandyManners

I cannot believe I wrote that.


Playtex tampons have a new advertising slogan:

"We're not number one, but we're right up there."

491 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:58:50am

re: #486 MandyManners

Look where his cheek and the bear's cheek touch. Looks real to me.

Considering he was a comedian on SNL - this is the sort of stuff that silly comedians do.

492 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:59:20am

re: #487 MandyManners

Isn't the county where Jack Daniels distilled a dry county?

I would not be surprised ... JD was probably a bootlegger in the old days.

493 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:59:26am

re: #484 right_wing2

Orthodox QUAKER?!


No, liberal quaker.
And btw... liberalism in religion is not the same as liberalism in politics. Just thought I'd add.

494 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:01:11am

re: #489 Enkidu90046

NPR=National Palestinian Radio

495 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:01:32am

re: #490 _RememberTonyC

*reaches for bat*

496 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:01:37am

Beer. USF football. Nice day.

497 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:02:06am

re: #479 MandyManners

You know I don't like the man but, I will give credit where it's due.

I would wait to see what his alternatives are before doing that.

498 JanglerNPL  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:02:44am

re: #486 MandyManners

Nope, fake. (Yes, yes, it's ThinkProgress, but the link has a side-by-side of the original pic and the PhotoShopped version.)

499 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:03:41am

re: #491 FrogMarch

Considering he was a comedian on SNL - this is the sort of stuff that silly comedians do.

Stuart Smalley.

500 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:04:25am

re: #492 _RememberTonyC

I would not be surprised ... JD was probably a bootlegger in the old days.

I think the county where Basil Hayden is made is also dry.

501 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:04:38am

re: #498 JanglerNPL

Nope, fake. (Yes, yes, it's ThinkProgress, but the link has a side-by-side of the original pic and the PhotoShopped version.)

Where's the bunny diaper man photo?

502 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:04:52am

re: #496 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beer. USF football. Nice day.

USF is really coming on. That was a surprise last week.

503 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:04:57am

who would have believed it?...BO is on a roll

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

504 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:05:01am

re: #497 poteen

I would wait to see what his alternatives are before doing that.

I've not heard a peep.

505 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:05:23am

re: #498 JanglerNPL

DON'T HARSH MY BUZZ.

506 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:05:32am

re: #496 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beer. USF football. Nice day.


You made it!

“The answer to life’s problems aren’t at the bottom of a beer bottle, they’re on TV.” ~Homer Simpson

507 JanglerNPL  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:05:35am

re: #501 FrogMarch

I don't know. Perhaps I should have said "one of the original photos".

508 ryannon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:06:17am

re: #328 negativ

Unbridled laissez-faire capitalism is, by definition, social Darwinism. Economic eugenics.

Discuss.


Read.

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

509 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:06:25am

re: #504 MandyManners

Might end up being something like post-natal abortion for Coleman supporters./

510 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:07:01am

re: #493 Irish Rose

No, liberal quaker.
And btw... liberalism in religion is not the same as liberalism in politics. Just thought I'd add.

Liberal Quakerism rocks, IMO.

511 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:08:24am

Gotta' go pick up The Kid from football practice.

512 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:09:07am

re: #510 iceweasel

Liberal Quakerism rocks, IMO.

so does Earth Quakerism

513 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:09:15am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is that?



Scrimshaw

514 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:09:37am

re: #493 Irish Rose

No, I came up as Orthodox Quaker! 2nd was Mainline/Conservative Protestent.

515 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:10:01am

re: #507 JanglerNPL

I don't know. Perhaps I should have said "one of the original photos".

Well, the face is identical - so it probably is a photoshop.

516 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:10:29am

re: #511 MandyManners

Gotta' go pick up The Kid from football practice.

Real football I hope, not that dirty Commie conspiracy to control the youth of America. Soccer./

517 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:10:57am

re: #503 albusteve

who would have believed it?...BO is on a roll

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

Interesting.

I wasn't on LGF yesterday during all the Olympic dust up and commenting here, but, looking back over some of the comments, I notice that there was a lot of agonizing about conservatives making too much about the rejection of Chicago.

My observations, the WORLD is making a lot about the rejection of Chicago and how it relates to Obama.

I see article after article this morning, from what is usually considered left-leaning major news sources, and they are not being too kind to Obama.

In my opinion, this whole dust up over the rejection of Chicago is not just being "exploited" by certain conservatives, if you want to consider it exploitation at all.

This incident seems to have shaken the dust off of a lot of peoples eyes, worldwide.

Just an observation.

518 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:12:36am

re: #514 right_wing2

No, I came up as Orthodox Quaker! 2nd was Mainline/Conservative Protestent.

Heh.
You learn something new about yourself every day.

519 JanglerNPL  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:12:42am

Speaking of persistent myths, I noticed yesterday that someone (buzzsawmonkey?) on this board still seems to believe that Saddam Hussein had WMDs but moved them to Syria. I had thought this theory had been inoperable since 2005 (link). Of course, there are still arguments that can be made for the desirability of the invasion, but I think it's important to make those arguments under factual premises which best conform to our present level of knowledge.

520 KingKenrod  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:14:28am

re: #517 Walter L. Newton

Interesting.

I wasn't on LGF yesterday during all the Olympic dust up and commenting here, but, looking back over some of the comments, I notice that there was a lot of agonizing about conservatives making too much about the rejection of Chicago.

My observations, the WORLD is making a lot about the rejection of Chicago and how it relates to Obama.

I see article after article this morning, from what is usually considered left-leaning major news sources, and they are not being too kind to Obama.

In my opinion, this whole dust up over the rejection of Chicago is not just being "exploited" by certain conservatives, if you want to consider it exploitation at all.

This incident seems to have shaken the dust off of a lot of peoples eyes, worldwide.

Just an observation.

The IOC must be elated they got the most powerful person in the world to come by and kiss their ring. In the end, they just chose the place with the best whores (as they always do).

521 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:14:35am

re: #495 MandyManners

*reaches for bat*

easy now ...

522 jaunte  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:15:28am

re: #517 Walter L. Newton

It seems like if you just compare a $4.8 billion bid to a $14.4 billion bid, the higher bid wins, no matter the personalities involved.

523 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:16:03am

re: #520 KingKenrod

The IOC must be elated they got the most powerful person in the world to come by and kiss their ring. In the end, they just chose the place with the best whores (as they always do).

How do you know Rio has the best whores? :)

524 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:16:18am

re: #518 Irish Rose

Well, I would have been far more surprised if I'd come up with 'Buddhist' 'Muslim' or 'Hindu' at the top, but O.Q. wasn't what I'd expected either.

525 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:16:50am

re: #517 Walter L. Newton

Interesting.

I wasn't on LGF yesterday during all the Olympic dust up and commenting here, but, looking back over some of the comments, I notice that there was a lot of agonizing about conservatives making too much about the rejection of Chicago.

My observations, the WORLD is making a lot about the rejection of Chicago and how it relates to Obama.

I see article after article this morning, from what is usually considered left-leaning major news sources, and they are not being too kind to Obama.

In my opinion, this whole dust up over the rejection of Chicago is not just being "exploited" by certain conservatives, if you want to consider it exploitation at all.

This incident seems to have shaken the dust off of a lot of peoples eyes, worldwide.

Just an observation.


This was my concern yesterday. I thought it was a poor choice for him to go, the First sitting president to ever do so, wich I have confirmed, but my main point was that as the President, he had to have had some indication that it was a long shot. And with his withering polictical capital why waste it. IMO it was foolish.

My opinion was not taken well.

526 The Left  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:17:01am

re: #519 JanglerNPL

Speaking of persistent myths, I noticed yesterday that someone (buzzsawmonkey?) on this board still seems to believe that Saddam Hussein had WMDs but moved them to Syria. I had thought this theory had been inoperable since 2005 (link). Of course, there are still arguments that can be made for the desirability of the invasion, but I think it's important to make those arguments under factual premises which best conform to our present level of knowledge.

Well said!

527 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:17:45am

re: #517 Walter L. Newton

Yes, the decision of where the Olympics will be hosted is now a life or death struggle, with the fate of nations hanging in the balance.
/

Here's my take:

- Chicago bid $4.8 billion.

- Rio bid $12.4 billion.

- The IOC is possibly the most corrupt organization on earth; it openly solicits bribes, gifts and favors from those under consideration as hosts.

That's pretty much the alpha and omega for this story.

528 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #522 jaunte

It seems like if you just compare a $4.8 billion bid to a $14.4 billion bid, the higher bid wins, no matter the personalities involved.

I'm not talking about bids, I am talking about how a large number of news agencies and other sources are making similar observations about Obama and his attitude. Similar to some of comments that I see coming from the wacky right.

That's not good for us, no matter which side you're are on.

529 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:18:50am

re: #520 KingKenrod

The IOC must be elated they got the most powerful person in the world to come by and kiss their ring. In the end, they just chose the place with the best whores (as they always do).

That's pretty much my take, too.

530 VioletTiger  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:19:14am

re: #520 KingKenrod

Not very kind.
Brazilians are among the nicest people you would ever want to meet.

531 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:19:31am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is that?

Carve pretty pictures into whale teeth, by the light of an oil lamp. Passes the time.

532 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:19:33am

re: #527 SixDegrees

Yes, the decision of where the Olympics will be hosted is now a life or death struggle, with the fate of nations hanging in the balance.
/

Here's my take:

- Chicago bid $4.8 billion.

- Rio bid $12.4 billion.

- The IOC is possibly the most corrupt organization on earth; it openly solicits bribes, gifts and favors from those under consideration as hosts.

That's pretty much the alpha and omega for this story.

Stupid Chicago machine's lost its touch - can't even offer a proper bribe anymore

533 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:19:34am

re: #517 Walter L. Newton

Interesting.

I wasn't on LGF yesterday during all the Olympic dust up and commenting here, but, looking back over some of the comments, I notice that there was a lot of agonizing about conservatives making too much about the rejection of Chicago.

My observations, the WORLD is making a lot about the rejection of Chicago and how it relates to Obama.

I see article after article this morning, from what is usually considered left-leaning major news sources, and they are not being too kind to Obama.

In my opinion, this whole dust up over the rejection of Chicago is not just being "exploited" by certain conservatives, if you want to consider it exploitation at all.

This incident seems to have shaken the dust off of a lot of peoples eyes, worldwide.

Just an observation.


re: #517 Walter L. Newton

Interesting.

I wasn't on LGF yesterday during all the Olympic dust up and commenting here, but, looking back over some of the comments, I notice that there was a lot of agonizing about conservatives making too much about the rejection of Chicago.

My observations, the WORLD is making a lot about the rejection of Chicago and how it relates to Obama.

I see article after article this morning, from what is usually considered left-leaning major news sources, and they are not being too kind to Obama.

In my opinion, this whole dust up over the rejection of Chicago is not just being "exploited" by certain conservatives, if you want to consider it exploitation at all.

This incident seems to have shaken the dust off of a lot of peoples eyes, worldwide.

Just an observation.

as a result of his campaign, too many people expect too much from BO, and I think he personally overestimates his 'gifts'...now there is a sorting out process...but even so I think way too much has been made out of the Chicago thing...they don't want it and can't afford it...BO had to try tho...political payback and nothing to do with promoting America's greatness or whatever

534 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:20:29am

re: #527 SixDegrees

Yes, the decision of where the Olympics will be hosted is now a life or death struggle, with the fate of nations hanging in the balance.
/

Here's my take:

- Chicago bid $4.8 billion.

- Rio bid $12.4 billion.

- The IOC is possibly the most corrupt organization on earth; it openly solicits bribes, gifts and favors from those under consideration as hosts.

That's pretty much the alpha and omega for this story.

That's your take, but that is NOT the take of a lot of the world, as so pointed out in international news articles and other coverage of the whole story.

My point is, certain conservatives are being called out for making so much of this, well, a lot of liberal sources are making a lot of this, in a similar manner.

No good.

535 Middle-Earth  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:21:25am

re: #517 Walter L. Newton

re: #520 KingKenrod

Obama + Michelle x Oprah = Zero

536 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:21:29am

re: #533 albusteve

as a result of his campaign, too many people expect too much from BO, and I think he personally overestimates his 'gifts'...now there is a sorting out process...but even so I think way too much has been made out of the Chicago thing...they don't want it and can't afford it...BO had to try tho...political payback and nothing to do with promoting America's greatness or whatever

And I think too much is being made of it too. My observation is that it's not just the wacky right making too much of it.

Obama is getting it from all sides.

537 AuntAcid  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:22:24am

re: #517 Walter L. Newton

"Hmmm? Something's wrong with this Kool-Aid"

538 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:22:30am

re: #525 filetandrelease

This was my concern yesterday. I thought it was a poor choice for him to go, the First sitting president to ever do so, wich I have confirmed

Meanwhile, back in January 2008...

539 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:23:13am

Gotta run lizards, have a great day!

540 albusteve  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:23:35am

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

And I think too much is being made of it too. My observation is that it's not just the wacky right making too much of it.

Obama is getting it from all sides.

INCOMING!...once his base starts to crack...?

541 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:24:15am

re: #534 Walter L. Newton

That's your take, but that is NOT the take of a lot of the world, as so pointed out in international news articles and other coverage of the whole story.

My point is, certain conservatives are being called out for making so much of this, well, a lot of liberal sources are making a lot of this, in a similar manner.

No good.

That so much ink is being spilled on a matter of such small importance is, indeed, troubling.

542 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:25:34am

re: #538 SixDegrees

Meanwhile, back in January 2008...

This was brought up yesterday. Bush met with the folks in Chicago. That is NOT the committee who decides the winner. That is the committee who represents Chicago. No sitting president has ever lobbied the actual committee who make the call.

543 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:25:53am

re: #542 filetandrelease

This was brought up yesterday. Bush met with the folks in Chicago. That is NOT the committee who decides the winner. That is the committee who represents Chicago. No sitting president has ever lobbied the actual committee who make the call.

Correct.

544 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:26:47am

re: #542 filetandrelease

This was brought up yesterday. Bush met with the folks in Chicago. That is NOT the committee who decides the winner. That is the committee who represents Chicago. No sitting president has ever lobbied the actual committee who make the call.

Oh, brother.

545 KingKenrod  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:27:01am

re: #530 VioletTiger

Not very kind.
Brazilians are among the nicest people you would ever want to meet.

Apologies, my comment was not a serous one, and (in retrospect) wildly inaccurate.

546 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:27:48am

re: #543 Walter L. Newton

Correct.

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.

547 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:27:50am

re: #267 FrogMarch

There really is no accounting for blind partisan hatred and the love of outlandish conspiracy theories. You see plenty of both on either side. The equivalency ends with the violence angle, however. We haven't seen a serious left wing terrorist outfit since the Weathermen (some people count ELF, but who takes ELF all that seriously except for HUMVEE sales lots?)

I saw a number of left leaning folks who wished Bush would be impeached etc etc. I saw a LOT of really foul name calling. I never saw much in the way of wishing death on him or Cheney, though. Over the past 30 years, domestic (non Islamist) terrorism has been almost exclusively from the far right. Clinic got blown up? It wasn't a Lefty, for sure. Abortion provider shot in the head by a sniper through the kitchen window? That didn't come from the Left either. Oklahoma City?? We all know the answer to that one. McVeigh was no "Liberal" in any sense of the word. (I was one of the many voices calling for investigation and prosecution of Law Enforcement concerning Waco and Ruby Ridge. McVeigh handed the Left an unimpeachable case against anything of the sort with his act of insanity)

The fact is that gun and weapon ownership is almost exclusively an issue of the Right, and our side has stated (time and time and time again...yawn) that we are willing to use violence to protect our right to own guns and property. Sounds pretty harsh in this day and age...but the "cold dead fingers" thing is known to all of us. I have said it myself.

Of course, a number of people extend that reasoning to other issues, and feel that violence is acceptable IF THEY ARE NOT APPEASED in every way.

That is why we see signs threatening use of violence at health care rallies...

Health care rallies with guys carrying AR-15 rifles. Wow. Signs stating that "We came unarmed...this time!"

I never saw anything even remotely like that from the Left. Not in the same ballpark...Hell...not in the same state or country.

I really do think we will see a major act of domestic terrorism or spate of shootings, and the perp(s) will have a copy of a Beck or Hannity book in the house and Fox News and Free Republic (or some such) will have a lot of hits on their computers. (Kinda like the guy who shot up the Unitarian Church in Arkansas)

There will predictable sputtering and shouts of censorship from the usual suspects...and we all will know what really happened. Speech has consequences. People act on it. Bullets and bombs can't be recalled when they are used, and dead children stay dead.

There is an air of utter insanity in the Republican Party today...and I can't see it going anywhere I want to follow. I can only watch and remember when I was proud to be a Republican, Reagan was defeating communism and life generally kicked ass all the way around.


Something happened since then...and I can't just blame the "libruls" for this. We did it to ourselves.

548 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:30:14am

re: #544 SixDegrees

Oh, brother.


I'm sorry, but there is a significant difference. Not that it is any big deal, but just a point.

549 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:30:42am

re: #527 SixDegrees

Where did those numbers come from?
I found Chi. at 3.8 B and the rest at about 2.8. Given building costs that puts them all competitive finance wise.

Olympic bids...

550 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:31:26am

I'm glad the POTUS tried to get the Olympics for Chicago. I'm also glad Rio got the games. Any so called "loss of prestige" for the Prez will soon be forgotten. The people who liked him before will still like him. And those who disliked him before will still dislike him and would not have been won over if Chicago HAD gotten the games. He did not use much political capital on this one. He has far more at stake on health care, iran, the domestic economy, and the war on terror.

551 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:32:57am

re: #547 celticdragon
I had to down ding you on this line

I never saw much in the way of wishing death on him or Cheney,


Hell, they made a movie about it.

552 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:33:23am

Olympic bids

Sorry, wrong link

553 ryannon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:34:12am

Speaking of Rio:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

554 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:36:09am

The Olympic thing shows, I think, that some folk have too great a confidence in Obama's gifts as an orator and persuader. In this case, it looks like the words changed nothing about the facts, and this is often the case.

Now, if he can't persuade a group of folks to locate a series of sporting events in a town of his choosing on the basis of his recommendation, charisma, etc., then one must wonder how very misplaced are the expectations that he can, with his mighty words, change the facts on the ground to the extent necessary to end the Arab-Israeli war or resolve the iranian nuclear crisis without recourse to arms.

I point out, however, that for all his dovish talk and waffling on additional troops for afghanistan, he has been a ruthless and effective user of drone strikes in pakistan and special forces in somalia and elsewhere. He's not the peacenik I thought him to be - truth is, I don't know what his position is, or if he even has one - maybe it's just a series of individual calculations each time a problem comes up.

555 insert name here  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:36:17am

re: #551 filetandrelease

I had to down ding you on this line


Hell, they made a movie about it.

What movie was that?

556 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:37:13am

re: #555 insert name here

What movie was that?

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

557 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:37:26am

re: #549 poteen

Where did those numbers come from?
I found Chi. at 3.8 B and the rest at about 2.8. Given building costs that puts them all competitive finance wise.

Olympic bids...

In the news yesterday, with slight variations of a few hundred million either way.

[Link: english.sina.com...]
[Link: www.jsonline.com...]
[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Looks like Rio's going to spend $5 billion just on rapid transit improvements.

558 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:39:46am

re: #555 insert name here

What movie was that?

"Death of a President"

559 insert name here  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:42:08am

re: #558 filetandrelease

"Death of a President"

Thanks (and to Walter, too).

Never heard of it. Looks like it's a British film though, not American.

Apparently it met with much disgust on from members of both parties. Per Wikipedia:

Hillary Clinton, then junior United States Senator from New York, told The Journal News of Rockland, Westchester, and Putnam counties, New York, at the annual New Castle Community Day in Chappaqua: "I think it's despicable. I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick".

560 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:49:51am

re: #551 filetandrelease

In marksmanship...a one off event (one round that for no apparent reason failed to group with the rest) is sometimes called a "flyer". That was a flyer.

Did you ever see Code Pink "wishing" for the death of Cheney? Anything of the sort at Huffington Post? Did you see any Left Wing marches on Washington that overtly threatened to bring weapons the next time? Lefties carrying firearms to political events?

I saw LOTS of demands for impeachment and prosecution. Daily. Ad Nauseum. Beyond silly.

Maybe there were unfiltered remarks at Democratic Underground or Smirking Chimp...I don't know since I didn't bother to wade through their particular brand of derangement.

I can say that the two major left leaning sites (KOS and HUffPo) didn't tolerate that sort of thing. No threats of violence. No racist remarks about Condi. No plans to carry firearms to rallies.

I also think it is rather telling that nobody on the Right took any serious concerns about a Lefty trying to commit an act of terrorism against the government. Did Malkin do any stories about her daily outrage that there where thousands of left wing threats to kill the President? I don't remember any.


*sigh*

561 Bloodnok  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:51:54am

re: #547 celticdragon

Excellent comment. I agree with all of it.

562 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:55:55am

re: #560 celticdragon

You might want to check this out. Don't bother to read it, just scroll down at look at the pics.

563 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:56:02am

Looks like Rio's going to spend $5 billion just on rapid transit improvements.

That would be 20 billion in Chi.

564 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 9:57:25am

re: #560 celticdragon

Lefties carrying firearms to political events?

So the demarcation point for you is as long as nobody brings a gun to an event, it's all just harmelss protest?

The angry protest grew so violent that the Secret Service was forced to take the highly unusual step of using a backup route for Bush's motorcade because the primary route had been compromised by protesters, one of whom pounded his fist on the president's moving limousine.

A female police officer was knocked to the street by advancing protesters, badly injuring her wrist.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

But at least they didn't have guns!
/

565 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:00:42am

re: #560 celticdragon

re: #562 filetandrelease

Extremes both.

The only difference when they get violent is their methods, and sometimes not even that.
CD your premise is wrong.

566 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:14:49am

re: #564 sattv4u2

re: #564 sattv4u2

Lefties carrying firearms to political events?

So the demarcation point for you is as long as nobody brings a gun to an event, it's all just harmelss protest?

The angry protest grew so violent that the Secret Service was forced to take the highly unusual step of using a backup route for Bush's motorcade because the primary route had been compromised by protesters, one of whom pounded his fist on the president's moving limousine.


That's it? Somebody pounded his fist on the Limo (the Secret Service AIC of the detail should have been sacked, btw.) and a cop got a sprained or broken wrist. That sucks.

However...do you somehow equate that with the shit we are seeing now? My congressman in NC cancelled meetings after bomb and death threats related to the health care bill. People with AR-15 rifles and pistols outside a Presidential venue!

I have never seen or heard of anything even remotely like that. Ever. The last time the political volume was turned up like this, I was working on a Huey helicopter in a hanger at Hunter Army Airfield. An announcement came over the radio that a bomb had gone off in Oklahoma City.


I don't ever want to hear that report again. Wanna know the really sick thing? I was desperately hoping it was an Islamic wacko...and I was afraid it wasn't. Even at that moment, I was concerned that the Left would use it against Limbaugh (who I listened to daily) because he was the most visible mocking critic of Clinton.

I wasn't so concerned with the victims, see. I was concerned about the political fallout.

Yes, I am ashamed.

567 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:22:56am

re: #565 poteen

How so? My premise is that violent speech often precedes violent action.

I see some examples of anarchists breaking windows at the G20 and bullshit street stuff. Show me a radical Left Wing group in the last 20 years in this country whose membership could be considered a threat to the POTUS or the government in any way. Malkin and O'Reilly would have found them by now.

Violent Right Wing groups? Jesus wept.

(I will not dignify Right Wing violent paranoiacs with the label of "Conservative", since they have nothing at all in common with Locke, Hobbes, Hamilton or Burkeshotte)

568 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:26:03am

re: #566 celticdragon

That's it? Somebody pounded his fist on the Limo

DISCLAIMER
Anyone that brings a gun to an event anywhere near ANY President is an idiot


That stated, someone with a registered open weapon in a cordoned off area where weapons are allowed is less of a threat to the President thats inside a sealed off venue as opposed to someone actually jumping onto a moving motor vehicle with a President inside.

The link and example I showed was the 1st one I came upon. It wasn't a "thats it" moment

569 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:26:34am

re: #562 filetandrelease

The link seems to have some problems. :/

570 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:29:42am

re: #567 celticdragon

Left Wing Extremists

(pdf)
[Link: www.osti.gov...]


More than just protest signs
[Link: www.comcast.net...]

571 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:30:28am

re: #569 celticdragon Hmmm, worked for me just now.

572 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:32:01am

re: #571 filetandrelease

Hmmm, worked for me just now.

Same here. It's Zombies report, right?

573 right_wing2  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:32:59am

Last year about this time, weren't there links to a site where you could basically 'bet' on the outcome of the election? It was set up more as a trading situation rather than betting, and there were other areas like the economy (here & overseas), too.

574 filetandrelease  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:46:06am

re: #572 sattv4u2

Same here. It's Zombies report, right?

Yep.

575 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 10:58:55am

Okay...I was able to link this time.

Pretty good essay there at Zombie, and the question is valid. Why weren't these idiots prosecuted?

Smart money is that this was all where Bush was not present.


And again...nobody on the Right or the Left took them seriously. Guys in Mohawks? Clowns in bondage leather? LMAO!

Inept, incompetent and idiotic. They can't even get taken seriously when they are committing a Federal felony. The news media portrayed them as fringe idiots, and they got ignored. (Maybe some of those signs should have gotten more publicity...!)

Do any of you think that Bush was in any real danger from Bondage Leather Brett and the Mohawk Crew? Did anybody take any of this even remotely seriously? How can you! They are old school liberal burnouts from the 70's and 80's who still haven't clued in that Dukakis isn't running.

Personally, I take folks with guns at rallies deadly seriously. When I see signs on the Capital Mall reading"We came unarmed...this time!" while threats to the POTUS are up 400%, I take that as an overt threat. We have a history of right wing violence in this country, both organized and self radicalized. You would be a fool to not recognize that the guy with a gun (who knows how to use it) at a Tea Party event is a hell of a lot more worrisome then Bondage Leather Brett.

( I am an enthusiastic supporter of concealed carry laws. When you start carrying weapons in the open at political events...that looks like intimidation and thuggery to me, not self defense. What possible political statement can you make with a gun at a health care event??)

576 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 11:13:18am

re: #567 celticdragon

Well which are the right wing groups?
The point is they are all violent groups who pose no threat to the POTUS or the govt. but to people and groups who they target. ELF, ALF, SLA, Weather all targeted govt. workers or govt funded institutions.

So did McViegh and Rudolph.
They both use guns and bombs.
You can draw a line at what constitutes 'fringe' whereever you want but the fact remains that violence comes from the rifle toting hate mongers AND the paper mache' and rock toting hate mongers.

577 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 11:28:56am

re: #576 poteen

Well which are the right wing groups?
The point is they are all violent groups who pose no threat to the POTUS or the govt. but to people and groups who they target. ELF, ALF, SLA, Weather all targeted govt. workers or govt funded institutions.

So did McViegh and Rudolph.
They both use guns and bombs.
You can draw a line at what constitutes 'fringe' whereever you want but the fact remains that violence comes from the rifle toting hate mongers AND the paper mache' and rock toting hate mongers.

Uh huh.

Which one do you think is going to be effective? Dude with a gun or Bondage Leather Brett?

Right wing groups?

Various (well armed) militias. Any number of tax resistors, including the Freemen. The Birchers. For the religious racists there is always the Christian Identity Church. They tend to be well armed. The Klan. Others I suppose none of us have heard of.

I don't know of any left wing militias. I think that is almost a contradiction in terms. I don't know of left wing tax protesters who have stand offs with Federal marshals. I don't know of any left wing groups that are stockpiling weapons. Do you? I have close friends in the militia movement, and they aren't screwing around.

As I have said before:

Nobody was in the slightest bit concerned that a left winger fanatic was going to stage the next Oklahoma City bombing. There has been no real left wing terror group (possibly exception with ELF and just maybe the Puerto Rican nationalists) since the 70's.

We all know the deal here. We saw it when the police had a shootout with two skinheads just after the inauguration(said to stockpiling guns for the next race war or whatever), and with the disgruntled guy who "wanted to kill some liberals" at a UU Church in Arkansas. Not to mention the neo Nazis who were arrested en route to Denver to hatch some plan to assassinate Obama during the Dem convention.

578 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 11:32:50am

btw...

The militia my friend is in does try to weed out the pschos and sociopaths.

Some groups have standards and some don't.

579 Dante41  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 11:53:07am

re: #577 celticdragon

I don't know about the claim of left wing militias. I'm a Democrat, and I have heard rumblings from other Dems that they should form their own militia for protection. It is a sad, sad day when we are arming ourselves over political discourse.

OT: You get my email celticdragon?

580 celticdragon  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 11:55:48am

re: #579 Dante41

Yep :)

I had heard about that book with the Alpha Legion.

I'll try to send you some stuff this evening.

581 Dante41  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 12:00:02pm

re: #580 celticdragon

Yep :)

I had heard about that book with the Alpha Legion.

I'll try to send you some stuff this evening.

Ah, good. I was afraid some of the stalker-idiots would try to send you hate-spam using my name.

582 poteen  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 1:39:11pm

re: #577 celticdragon

I don't know of any left wing militias.

ELF, ALF, SLA, Weather
Various (well armed) militias. Any number of tax resistors, including the Freemen. The Birchers

Compare their records of actual vs. potential or perceived violence.
As to racists, religious or the Klan, hardly all registered right wing republicans.
Again, you painted with a too big brush.
Extremists on both ends of the spectrum are dangerous.
Just ask a crippled lumberjack who sawed into a spiked tree.

583 irish rose  Sat, Oct 3, 2009 2:08:13pm

Finally catching up with all the comments that have been posted since yesterday afternoon.

I see that Charles did a comment purge... good on him!


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