1 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:31:19pm

Nice spot for a picnic.

2 laZardo  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:31:39pm

I love the smell of seawater thread in the morning.

3 freetoken  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:32:31pm

Ah, the ocean... the beach... the rocks and seaweed... and the surf...

The surf... reminds me of Christmas:

4 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:36:54pm

re: #3 freetoken

I'm already hearing Christmas music in some places... I assume this is your fault?
/:)

5 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:36:59pm

Time for me to go to bed. I'll be back before I leave for work.

6 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:37:48pm

re: #3 freetoken

You meant Christmas Island, didn't you?

7 laZardo  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:38:24pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Night.

8 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:38:25pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

G'nite, Avian raptor of the earthy-toned plumage persuasion!

9 ~Fianna  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:41:55pm

re: #4 Varek Raith

I'm already hearing Christmas music in some places... I assume this is your fault?
/:)

After hearing the HP Lovecraft Historical Society Christmas Albums I enjoy holiday music a lot more.

10 freetoken  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:44:00pm

re: #4 Varek Raith

❄❅☃

11 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:46:38pm

re: #9 ~Fianna

After hearing the HP Lovecraft Historical Society Christmas Albums I enjoy holiday music a lot more.

Lol. That is awesome.

12 ~Fianna  Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:49:00pm

re: #11 Varek Raith

Lol. That is awesome.

They're also incredibly well done and really catchy.

I've found myself wandering through the mall, singing along to the muzak except not...quite...

"It's beginning to look a lot like fish men
everywhere I go..."

13 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:08:02am

And LaZardo- you're killing me. How come in the last thread you didn't link to anything featuring the less androgenous version of The Major to illustrate how the future is all about teH sexeh robot bodies?

14 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:11:35am

re: #13 Fenway_Nation

And LaZardo- you're killing me. How come in the last thread you didn't link to anything featuring the less androgenous version of The Major to illustrate how the future is all about teH sexeh robot bodies?

Seriously, LaZardo! Better make sure Motoko doesn't hack your cyberbrain!
/

15 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:13:31am

re: #14 Varek Raith

I wouldn't stand a chance, being teH n00b

16 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:24:48am
17 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:24:52am

re: #15 Fenway_Nation

I wouldn't stand a chance, being teH n00b

As long as she doesn't make me punch myself, she can hack me anytime! :)

18 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:25:44am

re: #16 F15Mech

Huh, a flounce. Yawn.

19 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:27:02am

re: #16 F15Mech

Registered since: Aug 29, 2007 at 6:46 pm
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

Bye now.

20 freetoken  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:30:12am

Boy, they are really coming out downstairs now, in the climate threads...

21 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:30:31am

re: #16 F15Mech

Yeah, Killgore sure ruined your guys fun over at HA! Look at the pathetic extent you guys go through to get around the filters.
Ugh.

22 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:30:47am

re: #16 F15Mech

Go piss off, you f**king wanker...you don't have the balls to flounce and do it proper.

Two comments in two years...and this was the best you could do?

/phhhfffttt

23 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:34:43am
24 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:38:18am

re: #23 They Call Him Boss

Hey guize, lookit what I found:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

So, if you determine that you were wrong on something, you're supposed to hold on to your mistake for dear life and never acknowledge it?

25 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:38:18am

re: #23 They Call Him Boss

You apparently can't read...see the end of Charles' post on that topic:

PLEASE NOTE: Since this show was aired, serious questions have been raised about many of its assertions. For more, see: The Great Global Warming Swindle Debate.

Nice try, but not really...

26 freetoken  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:38:45am

re: #23 They Call Him Boss

Since you intentionally ignore Charles' own write-up on how he came to change his mind... I'll paraphrase it for you:

He studied.

Recommend you do the same.

27 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:38:51am
28 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:41:14am
29 Clemente  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:41:22am

re: #23 They Call Him Boss

One comment every two months? Hmm... Even my one, lonely neuron manages a bit more.

30 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:41:34am
31 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:42:41am
32 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:43:32am
33 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:43:35am

re: #27 F15Mech

Your little drama queen moment got nuked...you could do what most sane people do when they no longer visit a site, which is to just leave without saying a word.

But, you just have to drop a turd in the punch bowl and tell Daddy Charles how much you hate his guts...it's a pretty juvenile response and one that gets you absolutely nowhere in the end.

/that said, you can cordially bite me...

34 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:44:59am
35 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:46:40am

re: #34 F15Mech

Wow, sounds like a temper tantrum thrown when Daddy won't let you pway.
Idiot.

36 Clemente  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:47:19am

re: #34 F15Mech

Charles, maybe leave this as its lasting intellectual legacy?

Or not. :)

37 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:48:23am
38 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:50:26am
39 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:51:01am
40 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:53:49am
41 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:54:09am

re: #38 F15Mech

Oh, you want that martyr cookie real bad, don't you? Want to be able to tell all your buddies on the stalker and wingnut sites that you were just minding your own business, doing nothing at all, then Charles just up and bans you for no reason?

Homey don't play that...

/jackass

42 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:56:21am
43 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:57:57am
44 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:58:31am
45 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:58:47am

Had to open this up in LGFspy to see the comments before they got deleted.

/Haven't had to use this in awhile.

46 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:00:02am

re: #44 F15Mech

What are you and your wingnut buddies gonna do? Don't be a puss, lay it all out...we'll be all ears.

/I'm sure Charles is shaking in his boots...

47 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:01:37am
48 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:02:41am
49 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:02:59am
50 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:03:44am
51 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:04:48am

G to the
A to the
Z to the
E...

52 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:05:09am

re: #49 F15Mech

Keep pounding your pud keyboard there...you'll get what you want soon enough if keep acting like a jackass.

53 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:07:12am
54 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:07:42am

re: #53 F15Mech

How original...NOT!

55 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:08:09am
56 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:10:20am

re: #55 F15Mech

There's but one head Lizard and I don't speak for him...besides, I wonder if Charles is letting you play out till you flame out.

/give it your best shot...you know you wanna

57 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:11:39am
58 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:12:22am

re: #57 F15Mech

Besides, -19 posts may be a new record, I think...

59 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:14:17am

re: #57 F15Mech

Your mother was a hampster and your father smelled of elderberries.

60 Neutral President  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:14:37am

Me thinks someone needs to go off alone somewhere and masturbate while crying, using their tears as lubricant.

61 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:15:02am

re: #60 ArchangelMichael

Me thinks someone needs to go off alone somewhere and masturbate while crying, using their tears as lubricant.

LOL!

62 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:16:54am

re: #60 ArchangelMichael

Do I hear The Crying Game playing over in F15Mech's direction?

63 Neutral President  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:19:21am

re: #62 talon_262

64 SFGoth  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:19:50am

I'm 42 today. We have a communist in the White House. At least he won't crack down on my Prop. 215. On-On!

65 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:20:33am
66 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:20:37am

F15Mech is probably furiously typing away at his magnum opus to "get" Charles and KT...only it's gonna be nuked before anyone has a chance to see it.

67 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:22:28am
68 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:24:14am
69 Neutral President  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:26:02am
70 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:26:10am

re: #67 F15Mech

The difference between us and fetid swamps such as HA is that y'all embrace your racists and crazies...ours are hounded and shown the door.

You can play this game if you want, but you're still just a loser...

71 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:26:20am
72 cenotaphium  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:26:40am

This thread reminds me; I've got to pick up some swiss cheese.

..it's the holes that make it tasty.

73 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:28:34am

re: #72 cenotaphium

But doesn't the flavor leak out that way?

74 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:31:42am
75 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:31:53am

So, it's late, i am like +7 beers, my blood sugar is probably through the roof along with my alcohol level, and I am wasting my first post stating that even I can tell that the banhammer has slammed down on a troll. I love my nights off.

76 Neutral President  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:34:13am

re: #75 boredtechindenver

So, it's late, i am like +7 beers, my blood sugar is probably through the roof along with my alcohol level, and I am wasting my first post stating that even I can tell that the banhammer has slammed down on a troll. I love my nights off.

I only wish this was a "night off". Festivities from a birthday party I went to this weekend have totally thrown off my sleep schedule.

77 Neutral President  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:34:46am

re: #61 talon_262

I was hoping for a better opportunity to use that one but I couldn't resist it.

78 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:37:02am
79 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:37:29am

re: #75 boredtechindenver

Right now, I thought what I'd do was pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

/Or should I?

80 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:37:51am

Morning, AM. working third shift makes my body clock only a little unhappy. Having to get up for early mornings makes it very unhappy. My preferred sleep schedule is to get up around noon and go to sleep around 3 am.

81 cenotaphium  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:38:02am

re: #73 Fenway_Nation

But doesn't the flavor leak out that way?

Wait.. are we still using the cheese as a metaphor? I'm confused.

82 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:38:31am
83 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:38:49am

re: #79 Fenway_Nation

Right now, I thought what I'd do was pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

/Or should I?

Alright, which one of you two is the Laughing Man?

84 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:39:38am

re: #82 F15Mech

Do you dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?

/I ask that question of all my prey...

85 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:40:14am

re: #79 Fenway_Nation

Right now, I thought what I'd do was pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

/Or should I?

don't be a deafmutist.

/

86 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:41:12am
87 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:41:27am

re: #84 talon_262

Do you dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?

/I ask that question of all my prey...

I resent the insinuation that I dance with trolls!
/:)

88 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:41:30am
89 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:43:12am
90 Neutral President  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:44:20am

re: #89 F15Mech

No just a douchebag.

91 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:44:48am

re: #89 F15Mech

If you have to ask, then the answer is probably 'no'.

92 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:45:07am
93 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:45:16am

re: #86 F15Mech

Pisses you off that you have to resort to code when you make racist and bigoted comments about the Obamas over on HA, doesn't it? Here's an idea...keep your trap shut and just don't do it at all.

/hate only makes you cold and hollow inside...

94 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:45:51am
95 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:46:57am
96 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:47:55am
97 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:48:55am

re: #79 Fenway_Nation

Right now, I thought what I'd do was pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

/Or should I?

If I had enough posts to ding you up for recognizing Ghost in the Shell: SAC, I would. That includes you, Varek.

which brings up the question, which GITS character would you be? i would want to be the laughing man, but he is an archetypal Coyote charater, and I could not resist that.

I can see Charles as Aramaki.

98 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:49:52am
99 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:51:21am

re: #97 boredtechindenver

Does Motoko's lingerie count? Or failing that- the grenades she kept under her lingerie drawer?

//

100 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:51:45am
101 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:52:09am

re: #97 boredtechindenver

If I had enough posts to ding you up for recognizing Ghost in the Shell: SAC, I would. That includes you, Varek.

which brings up the question, which GITS character would you be? i would want to be the laughing man, but he is an archetypal Coyote charater, and I could not resist that.

I can see Charles as Aramaki.

I'd probably be Togasa. Even without enhancements, he's awesome.

re: #99 Fenway_Nation

Does Motoko's lingerie count? Or failing that- the grenades she kept under her lingerie drawer?

//

Hmmm, I'd say that would count!
/

102 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:54:45am

re: #101 Varek Raith

Is it just me, or does it sometimes seem as though the the pendulum swings between the Major flirting with Togusa and nagging doting over him like a big sister?

103 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:55:59am

re: #100 F15Mech

Man, you're just 20 pounds of stupid in a 10-pound bag...

104 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:57:04am

re: #97 boredtechindenver

Well...between the GITS: Stand Alone Complex, SAC: 2ND GIG and GITS: Solid State Society, I'm sure you could have about 50 posts on that subject alone.

105 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:00:36am

re: #102 Fenway_Nation

Is it just me, or does it sometimes seem as though the the pendulum swings between the Major flirting with Togusa and nagging doting over him like a big sister?

Yeah, I noticed that.

re: #104 Fenway_Nation

Well...between the GITS: Stand Alone Complex, SAC: 2ND GIG and GITS: Solid State Society, I'm sure you could have about 50 posts on that subject alone.

Indeed. Curious, did you all watch it subbed or dubbed?

106 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:02:27am

***That troll is spamming the threads downstairs***

107 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:03:03am

re: #105 Varek Raith

I thought maybe I was reading too much into something that may not have been there.

Dubbed, actually. I thought they found a very appropriate voice actress for the Major in the dub.

108 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:04:08am

re: #106 Varek Raith

He said he was going outside to smoke! He lied to us!

///

109 Neutral President  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:06:12am

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

He said he was going outside to smoke! He lied to us!

///


Oh NOES!!!

110 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:06:46am

re: #107 Fenway_Nation

I thought maybe I was reading too much into something that may not have been there.

Dubbed, actually. I thought they found a very appropriate voice actress for the Major in the dub.

Yes, they got her voice spot on. Generally, I tend to watch subs, mainly because it can take years for it to get to the states.

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

He said he was going outside to smoke! He lied to us!

///

Shocka!

111 Neutral President  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:07:59am

re: #106 Varek Raith

***That troll is was spamming the threads downstairs***

FTFY

"Here is Sub Zero... Now... Plain Zero!"

112 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:09:33am

re: #105 Varek Raith

Indeed. Curious, did you all watch it subbed or dubbed?

I have them dubbed on dvd since my Japenese is even worse than my Spanish (/bad chicano nationalist (/snark sarcasm))

113 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:12:27am

re: #111 ArchangelMichael

FTFY

"Here is Sub Zero... Now... Plain Zero!"

I have to say, this is one dull troll. Not even worth a casting of Melf's Acid Arrow.
/DnD geek.

114 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:13:43am
115 freetoken  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:15:58am

What the troll doesn't understand:

1. With the Spy feature the troll can be followed easily.

2. All it is doing is demonstrating that there is a reality here that escapes hot air and it's apparently O-C one moderator - that "banning" is not the issue, it is whether a post ought to be left up or not.

116 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:16:15am

OK...since I got all you GITS nerds here on one page, what would you say your favorite Major moment is/was?

I'll actually bypass some of the low-haning girl-girl homoeroticism fruit and say in the first season when she shot up that armoured suit with Saito's heavy-duty rifle. With one arm...

/Followed closely by the hostage-taker in the Chinese embassy yelling 'We're not afraid to die for our cause!' to which the unsees Major replies something along the lines of 'Suit yourself' before his brains are splattered all over the wall.

117 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:19:46am
118 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:21:08am

Geez, never seen so many deletions. I stopped counting at 10. Ran out of fingers. Should have taken off my socks.

119 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:22:25am

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

Then we would've found the WMDs...

//

120 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:23:53am
121 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:24:27am

Charles coffee maker must be on OT.

122 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:24:42am

re: #116 Fenway_Nation

OK...since I got all you GITS nerds here on one page, what would you say your favorite Major moment is/was?

I'll actually bypass some of the low-haning girl-girl homoeroticism fruit and say in the first season when she shot up that armoured suit with Saito's heavy-duty rifle. With one arm...

/Followed closely by the hostage-taker in the Chinese embassy yelling 'We're not afraid to die for our cause!' to which the unsees Major replies something along the lines of 'Suit yourself' before his brains are splattered all over the wall.

Yeah, that was badass when she took out that suit. Scary.

On the amusing moments front, I'd have to say when she hacked Batou. That, and the Tachikomas in general.

123 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:27:20am

re: #116 Fenway_Nation

OK...since I got all you GITS nerds here on one page, what would you say your favorite Major moment is/was?

Batou: Motokooo

124 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:31:20am

I was trying to figure out how this thread had so many posts already. Now I know!

Morning Lizards.

125 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:31:44am
H1N1 will infect about 60 percent of the U.S. population this flu season and the vaccine will arrive too late to help most Americans, a published university study concludes.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Fuck this.

126 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:31:55am

re: #123 boredtechindenver

Batou: Motokooo

When I saw that scene, all I could think of was, "HEAD SHOT!"
Then he found out it was staged.
/poor Batou.

re: #124 rwdflynavy

I was trying to figure out how this thread had so many posts already. Now I know!

Morning Lizards.

Morning. Yes, it sure was kooky!

127 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:33:07am

re: #125 TheMatrix31

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Fuck this.

Are they offering you shots at school?

128 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:34:16am

re: #125 TheMatrix31

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Fuck this.

The Navy doesn't have the shots yet. A good portion of my squadron has already come down with the disease.

129 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:34:38am

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

Haven't received an email about it, so I don't think so. It sucks too, because every fucking person seems sick in class.

130 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:36:47am

Around here I've seen flu shots offered at drug stores but nothing about the swine flu.

131 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:38:29am

Well, time to turn in. Later, lizards.

132 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:42:33am

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

That term has been deemed offensive and will now be referred to as 'Procine-American Ailment with Porcine-American ailment with symptoms similar to the flu.

133 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:43:27am

re: #132 Fenway_Nation

That term has been deemed offensive and will now be referred to as 'Procine-American Ailment with Porcine-American ailment with symptoms similar to the flu.

I like pork chops and eggs.
/

134 Timmeh  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:44:36am
135 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:44:55am

re: #132 Fenway_Nation

Yeah, the Porcine Union of America has gotten their grubby hands on this and put pressure on this disgusting term. I, for one, am happy they did. How would YOU feel?!

/

136 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:48:47am

If my dog gets the dog flu, will he be offended with himself?

137 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:54:57am
138 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:55:26am
139 SixDegrees  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:57:43am

re: #125 TheMatrix31

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Fuck this.

I've related my frustration with this situation before. Briefly, I went looking for vaccination for both ordinary and H1N1 flu this year, for the first time, since I'm in a high risk group and got tired of hearing my doctor bitch about my usual shirking of this exercise every year.

I was told that our county has run out of ordinary vaccine - because all resources had been diverted to producing H1N1 vaccine, leaving supplies of the regular stuff short. They're completely out, and no more will be available. Period.

Meanwhile, there's no H1N1 vaccine to be had, either, because it hasn't become available yet.

Plus, I've been told (unconfirmed, as of yet) that I have to have the ordinary flu shot before I can get the H1N1 shot - an impossibility, since neither is available.

Welcome to the gigantic clusterfuck that is Federally-run health care. Meanwhile, the government keeps drumming up increasing hysteria over this year's flu season, just to add to the confusion and near-panic they've already managed to create.

My county health department is recommending that I wash my hands a lot and not sneeze on anybody. Sort of like what they tried with the Black Death during the Middle Ages, when people wore masks containing sweet-scented herbs to ward off the disease.

I'll put down a hundred bucks right now on the bet that my Congressional representatives have all received both flu shots, free of charge, without spending so much as a minute in a waiting room.

140 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:00:25am

re: #139 SixDegrees

I've related my frustration with this situation before. Briefly, I went looking for vaccination for both ordinary and H1N1 flu this year, for the first time, since I'm in a high risk group and got tired of hearing my doctor bitch about my usual shirking of this exercise every year.

I was told that our county has run out of ordinary vaccine - because all resources had been diverted to producing H1N1 vaccine, leaving supplies of the regular stuff short. They're completely out, and no more will be available. Period.

Meanwhile, there's no H1N1 vaccine to be had, either, because it hasn't become available yet.

Plus, I've been told (unconfirmed, as of yet) that I have to have the ordinary flu shot before I can get the H1N1 shot - an impossibility, since neither is available.

Welcome to the gigantic clusterfuck that is Federally-run health care. Meanwhile, the government keeps drumming up increasing hysteria over this year's flu season, just to add to the confusion and near-panic they've already managed to create.

My county health department is recommending that I wash my hands a lot and not sneeze on anybody. Sort of like what they tried with the Black Death during the Middle Ages, when people wore masks containing sweet-scented herbs to ward off the disease.

I'll put down a hundred bucks right now on the bet that my Congressional representatives have all received both flu shots, free of charge, without spending so much as a minute in a waiting room.

Argh...for germophobes like me...its bad news.

Dunno what to do. I don't usually get regular flu shots. I know the Swine Flu is just a ramped-up regular flu with a different target demographic, but still...

141 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:01:30am

re: #139 SixDegrees

My radio just said that swine flu shots here are available at schools.

142 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:02:15am
143 suchislife  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:04:23am

Is a deleted comment counted as a negative in the profile?

144 SixDegrees  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:06:14am

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said that swine flu shots here are available at schools.

Well, that's something. I'll see what my county HD has to say this week. As I understand it, kids are at higher risk than adults, so I'm happy to forego my shots for them. Like TheMatrix31, I've consistently blown off my flu shots for years, and only got inspired this year because of the increased attention and to poke the anti-vaxers in the eye with a sharp stick. I'm astonished at what a mess things are in this year - in the past, you couldn't go anywhere without someone waving a needle in your face at the drugstore, grocery store, bank and everywhere else, plus all the usual county health department clinics and temporary clinics. This year - the first year that I can remember when the shots may actually matter - zip.

Government planning at it's finest.

145 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:06:47am
146 SixDegrees  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:07:12am

re: #143 suchislife

Is a deleted comment counted as a negative in the profile?

No; sometimes, though, us ordinary mortals can sneak in a downding during a troll post's fleeting lifespan.

147 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:07:39am

re: #144 SixDegrees

Well, that's something. I'll see what my county HD has to say this week. As I understand it, kids are at higher risk than adults, so I'm happy to forego my shots for them. Like TheMatrix31, I've consistently blown off my flu shots for years, and only got inspired this year because of the increased attention and to poke the anti-vaxers in the eye with a sharp stick. I'm astonished at what a mess things are in this year - in the past, you couldn't go anywhere without someone waving a needle in your face at the drugstore, grocery store, bank and everywhere else, plus all the usual county health department clinics and temporary clinics. This year - the first year that I can remember when the shots may actually matter - zip.

Government planning at it's finest.

I've never had one, ever. We have as many old people as kids here.

148 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:08:19am

re: #144 SixDegrees

I'm pretty sure the swine flu targets normal adults, rather than the regular flu which leaves kids/elderly more vulnerable.

Could be wrong though.

149 suchislife  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:09:05am

re: #146 SixDegrees

I was just wondering how one gets a negative number of comments on the profile. In other words, why there is a - in front of the troll's number of comments.

150 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:13:34am

re: #149 suchislife

I was just wondering how one gets a negative number of comments on the profile. In other words, why there is a - in front of the troll's number of comments.

Once his post is deleted it shows up as a negative post.

151 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:33:02am

Good Morning LGF

152 freetoken  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:33:19am

Dedicated to our troll:

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:34:20am

re: #151 Spare O'Lake

Pardon me, brother, can you spare o' lake?

If I may ask, how did your nic happen?

154 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:36:22am

guten morgen ladies, gents and children of all ages

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:38:37am

Dear Doctor Lizard...

I'm debating whether or not to get the flu shot.

My job takes into people's homes. Generally three a day. Elderly, people with kids, etc...

Would the shot keep me from being a carrier of the virus. Wouldn't want to get someone else sick even if I didn't come down with it myself.

I also don't want to grow a little pig tail either.

Thoughts?

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:40:47am

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

What a bunch of pussies. "Quick, Charles is asleep..."

157 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:41:12am

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The elderly and the kids probably already have gotten the shot or are getting it. I wouldn't worry so much about you getting or giving it. But it is up to you.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:42:48am

re: #157 Cannadian Club Akbar

86 billion American's don't have healthcare. How can you be sure everyone's had the shot?

159 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:44:53am

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

86 billion American's don't have healthcare. How can you be sure everyone's had the shot?

They put it in the drinking water. That's what Alex Jones told me.
///

160 cenotaphium  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:49:08am

The latest news from Sweden is more controversy over the newspaper (well, tabloid really) Aftonbladet, previously criticized over publishing at best unverified idiocy, at worst an anti-semitic screed (Here's a summary of that episode), publishing an article by Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson.

The original article can be found here (in Swedish). There's an article on The Local about it. I couldn't find a translation of the whole thing, so I made my own translation (apologies for any mistakes, I'm not a professional).

In a follow-up article (in Swedish), his statements are examined and skewered, to which he responded "it was a bit sloppy" (referring to his own article). He responds further to criticism by repeating "There is almost no information available, but in the name of reason one can assume it's correct", cementing the level of intellectual honesty he represents.
He writes that no one would have guessed that Islam would be Sweden's second largest religion 20 years ago, even though it was at the time. When this is pointed out, he replies "It's entirely possible you're right about that, I haven't even bothered to check it".

"How can you say that fundamentalism is increasing, or that Malmö will have a muslim majority when even the experts can't?"
"Of course you can't say we're going to have an increase, it's obvious that it's hard to make population estimates, but if the development continues I'm fully convinced that it may happen. There could also be a majority of polar bears too, purely hypothetically".

SD is currently polling at around 4.7 percent of the vote (4 percent is the limit on entering parliament). There is a current debate suggesting that our 7 seated parties are willing to work across bloc politics rather than put SD in a position as the tie-breaker.

On a personal note, translating the run-on sentence at line 13 made me want to hurt something.

161 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:55:31am

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Pardon me, brother, can you spare o' lake?

If I may ask, how did your nic happen?

It was an immaculate conception, a homopho nic hatched in spiration of teh Barry O'Bama.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:59:23am

re: #161 Spare O'Lake

Ohhhkay...

163 bofhell  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:06:07am

Anyone here using Google Wave? I have it now, and I want to invite someone to use it, but I can't figure it out to save my life! I gather there is an Invite Wave, but I don't seem to have it.

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:07:32am

re: #163 bofhell

Dunno. Here's an LGF Wave...

"Hi!"

165 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:10:16am

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ohhhkay...

So sorry for use of cryptic clue.

166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:13:34am

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

Well, I wouldn't want you to give away any secrets...

167 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:18:01am

*whew!*

The Not Another New England Sports Blog! has been dutifully updated...

If there's another blog that covers sports, geopolitics, railroads, klepto Asian beauty queens and cobalt blue lobsters as well as I have, I haven't found it.

168 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:20:25am

re: #167 Fenway_Nation

*whew!*

The Not Another New England Sports Blog! has been dutifully updated...

If there's another blog that covers sports, geopolitics, railroads, klepto Asian beauty queens and cobalt blue lobsters as well as I have, I haven't found it.

There were no hot Asians on that link.

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:22:13am

re: #168 Cannadian Club Akbar

There were no hot Asians on that link.

But... IT'S A HIT!

170 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:22:54am

re: #168 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you scroll down?

171 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:23:59am

re: #170 Fenway_Nation

Did you scroll down?

The link didn't go to your blog:(

172 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:24:44am

re: #170 Fenway_Nation

Because it wouldn't have mattered anyway, since I was apparently pimping a Portsmouth, NH newspaper.

174 bofhell  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:27:54am

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dunno. Here's an LGF Wave...

"Hi!"

The only thing surprising about your response FBV is that you are the ONLY one to make that comeback! ;-)

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:29:23am

re: #174 bofhell

heh

176 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:31:29am

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

Ok...take two

The Worst Damn New England Sports [and geopolitics and railroads and klepto Asian beauty queen and cobalt lobster] Blog...Period.

That worked. The red train with the NE autum pic was cool. Along with the pic of a hockey fight.

177 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:34:04am

re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yay! It worked then...glad that only took 2 tries.

178 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:36:18am

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

Ok...take two

The Worst Damn New England Sports [and geopolitics and railroads and klepto Asian beauty queen and cobalt lobster] Blog...Period.

Nice site, Fenway.
"The Blue Lobster" would be a cool name for a pub.

179 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:38:47am

re: #178 Spare O'Lake

Nice site, Fenway.
"The Blue Lobster" would be a cool name for a pub.

On the sign for the bar have a blue lobster in a cool hat playing the sax.

180 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:39:08am

re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I wouldn't want you to give away any secrets...

If I told ya my sekrit I'd have to kill ya.

181 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:39:17am

re: #178 Spare O'Lake


Heh...I still daydream opening up a place in post-Castro Cuba called El Monsturo Verde where gringos and cubans alike will congregate and discuss baseball in-depth with games being broadcast on several different TVs...

/Having said that, reality's kicked my ass on far less ambitous and idealistic plans.

182 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:41:02am

re: #181 Fenway_Nation

Heh...I still daydream opening up a place in post-Castro Cuba called El Monsturo Verde where gringos and cubans alike will congregate and discuss baseball in-depth with games being broadcast on several different TVs...

/Having said that, reality's kicked my ass on far less ambitous and idealistic plans.

If Castro could actually pitch, Cuba might be free right now.

183 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:41:53am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

And Che Guevara would be just another asthmatic Argentine poseur.

184 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:43:48am

re: #183 Fenway_Nation

And Che Guevara would be just another asthmatic Argentine poseur.

Wonder what his shirts would look like if that were the case.
/

185 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:49:36am

Well...with that thought in my noggin, it's time for me to get some Z's...

186 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:00:39am

Good morning, lizardia.

187 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:03:25am

Again, I apologize for taking the Lord's name in vain last night.

188 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:04:29am

re: #187 MandyManners

Again, I apologize for taking the Lord's name in vain last night.

Too late. I already told.
/

189 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:06:20am

re: #186 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizardia.

Exactly what I was just going to say. Morning, all. Any more bad crazy come out last night?

190 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:07:10am

re: #189 thedopefishlives

Exactly what I was just going to say. Morning, all. Any more bad crazy come out last night?

There is a deletion or 2 on this thread.

191 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:08:18am

Good morning, everyone!

Some people are too stupid for words.
Cops: NY woman arrives drunk to pick up DWI friend



Mon Oct 19, 6:22 pm ET
LAFAYETTE, N.Y. – Troopers have charged a 22-year-old upstate New York woman with aggravated driving while intoxicated after she showed up drunk at the state police barracks to give a ride to a friend who had been arrested earlier for DWI. Troopers said Stacy Kolinski had a blood alcohol level of .20 percent — more than double the legal limit — when she arrived at the Lafayette barracks 10 miles south of Syracuse around 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
Kolinski came to the barracks to give a ride to 34-year-old George Reddick who was stopped for speeding earlier Sunday morning and charged with DWI and misdemeanor criminal possession of cocaine.
Reddick and Kolinski were both issued tickets to appear in town court at a later date. Troopers said they don't know if they have lawyers.
192 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:10:34am

re: #191 reine.de.tout

Good morning, everyone!

Some people are too stupid for words.
Cops: NY woman arrives drunk to pick up DWI friend

I'll see you and raise ya...
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

193 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:12:22am

re: #190 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a deletion or 2 50 on this thread.

194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:14:24am

re: #190 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a deletion or 2 on this thread.

Sigh. Let's just hope that this morning is a little more peaceful and less heated.

195 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:18:38am

Reine, I have the cookbook to proofread but it may be a day or two before I can get to it.

I'm just sick with grief this morning, I had to put my little dog to sleep yesterday afternoon. She was my faithful, loving companion for 15 years and I don't know what I'm going to do without her.

196 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:20:50am

re: #195 Irish Rose

Reine, I have the cookbook to proofread but it may be a day or two before I can get to it.

I'm just sick with grief this morning, I had to put my little dog to sleep yesterday afternoon. She was my faithful, loving companion for 15 years and I don't know what I'm going to do without her.

{rose}
What a difficult thing to have to do, and I know how you'll miss your pup! Our pets are part of our family, and bring so much to us, and it's painful to have to let them go.

Take your time with the proofing.

197 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:20:57am

re: #195 Irish Rose

Reine, I have the cookbook to proofread but it may be a day or two before I can get to it.

I'm just sick with grief this morning, I had to put my little dog to sleep yesterday afternoon. She was my faithful, loving companion for 15 years and I don't know what I'm going to do without her.

{Rose}
Losing an animal, especially one that's been with you for a long time, is really hard. The Mrs. Fish's mom had to have her big sheepdog put down about a year and a half ago, and she honestly hasn't been the same person since.

198 bofhell  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:23:22am

re: #187 MandyManners

Again, I apologize for taking the Lord's name in vain last night.

Give it back and everything will be fine.

199 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:28:49am

Sadly she had a very slow growing form of cancer, I maintained her health for quite a long time but she started to decline more rapidly a couple of months ago.

She continued to enjoy her car rides and morning walks on the lighthouse pier up until a few days ago. But when I woke up yesterday morning she was laying in her basket, crying in pain and unable to walk. Called the vet right away, and did what I had to do for her sake.

The world seems very cold this morning.

200 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:33:13am

re: #195 Irish Rose

Reine, I have the cookbook to proofread but it may be a day or two before I can get to it.

I'm just sick with grief this morning, I had to put my little dog to sleep yesterday afternoon. She was my faithful, loving companion for 15 years and I don't know what I'm going to do without her.

So sorry for your loss.
I've been there and it hurt like hell.

201 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:35:36am

re: #199 Irish Rose

Sadly she had a very slow growing form of cancer, I maintained her health for quite a long time but she started to decline more rapidly a couple of months ago.

She continued to enjoy her car rides and morning walks on the lighthouse pier up until a few days ago. But when I woke up yesterday morning she was laying in her basket, crying in pain and unable to walk. Called the vet right away, and did what I had to do for her sake.

... And she enjoyed every moment she got to spend with her Human and appreciates everything you did for her. If she could speak English she would tell you "Thank you for not giving up on me."

202 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:38:15am

I have her photo in memorium on my blog this morning, but I feel like it's just not enough.

203 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:41:38am

Irish Rose, are you maintaining the LGF Prayer List now?

204 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:48:15am

re: #203 SteveC

Irish Rose, are you maintaining the LGF Prayer List now?

No, I'm attending school right now and putting in a lot of hours so I asked Hoosier Hoops to take it over. He's doing a splendid job with it.

Do you have an addition? I'll pass it along.

205 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:49:50am

re: #202 Irish Rose

I have her photo in memorium on my blog this morning, but I feel like it's just not enough.

{rose}
She looks like my dog!
Great photo.

I just walked outside to get my newspaper, and there is an injured dog by the road - looks like his hip or back is broken - I've called animal control.

I hate to see an injured animal, they are so helpless without us.

206 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:49:52am

re: #199 Irish Rose

(((Irish Rose)))
Sorry to here of your loss...

207 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:50:49am

re: #204 Irish Rose

Do you have an addition? I'll pass it along.

Two friends, one needs heart surgery, and one MIGHT.

208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:50:58am

Morning Lizards!

What's up?

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:52:05am

re: #199 Irish Rose

Sadly she had a very slow growing form of cancer, I maintained her health for quite a long time but she started to decline more rapidly a couple of months ago.

She continued to enjoy her car rides and morning walks on the lighthouse pier up until a few days ago. But when I woke up yesterday morning she was laying in her basket, crying in pain and unable to walk. Called the vet right away, and did what I had to do for her sake.

The world seems very cold this morning.

{{{Irish Rose}}}

210 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:52:54am

re: #205 reine.de.tout


I hate to see an injured animal, they are so helpless without us.

I always get all misty-eyed when I see the commercials for the ASPCA on TV. I find it hard to imagine a mindset where someone would willingly abuse, injure, or even kill an animal (well, aside from putting them down, that's a bit different). Yes, my cats get on my nerves a lot, but I'd never hurt them over it - even the one cat I'm planning on getting rid of, we're giving her away to a good home.

211 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:53:09am

re: #207 SteveC

I just emailed Hoops and asked him to add your request.

212 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:53:10am

re: #208 ggt

Morning Lizards!

What's up?

Irish Rose had to put her dog to sleep; I'm trying to watch out for an injured dog on my street until animal control can get here; and some people are too stupid for words.

213 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:55:00am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

Reine, bring a blanket out there and cover the poor thing up. Must be very cold.

214 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:55:19am

Our pet is a constant source of frustration and entertainment!
Yesterday he was having a ball chasing leaves and WASPS!
Yup !He got one...His lower jowl was hanging and the size of a golf ball!
Called the vet and he said to keep an eye on it ...if it
seem to bother him.It went back to nomal by dinner!
Boy did he look silly!

215 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:55:43am

re: #211 Irish Rose

I just emailed Hoops and asked him to add your request.

Thank you very much. As everyone else here, I am sorry to hear about your loss. Dawg (my dog) sends her best wishes also.

216 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:56:21am

re: #214 reloadingisnotahobby

My cats are enjoying the yellow jackets that have been sneaking into the house seeking warmth. My dad watched two of them chasing one around the house for about 10 minutes, then he commented, "That's all fun and everything, but... Exactly what do they think is gonna happen when they catch it?"

217 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:56:46am

re: #216 thedopefishlives

That is, two cats chasing one wasp.

218 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:00:01am

re: #216 thedopefishlives

My cats are enjoying the yellow jackets that have been sneaking into the house seeking warmth. My dad watched two of them chasing one around the house for about 10 minutes, then he commented, "That's all fun and everything, but... Exactly what do they think is gonna happen when they catch it?"

My brother had a cat that was very well behaved and always came when you called him (strange cat!) except this one time. He wouldn't come out of the corner, so I had to go over there and see what the problem was.

He had swatted this bee and killed it. When I looked down at the bee, the cat looked up at m as if to say "That damn thing BROKE! Fix it!"

219 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:00:21am

re: #217 thedopefishlives
" Finding Nemo"
..mine,mine,mine,mine...

220 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:00:28am

re: #213 Irish Rose

Reine, bring a blanket out there and cover the poor thing up. Must be very cold.

Sheriff's deputy is out there now, keeping cars away until Animal Control can get here. He was trembling earlier but seems OK now and he's in the sun.

221 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:02:01am

re: #218 SteveC

My brother had a cat that was very well behaved and always came when you called him (strange cat!) except this one time. He wouldn't come out of the corner, so I had to go over there and see what the problem was.

He had swatted this bee and killed it. When I looked down at the bee, the cat looked up at m as if to say "That damn thing BROKE! Fix it!"

Our cats will come when called, too. They also insist on helping me walk the dog - we walk down the street, the dog and I, with two black cats following close behind. People actually stop, point and laugh at us.

222 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:04:44am

Ha!
Our dog insists on on giving (helping) our neighborhood cats with thier cardiovascular excercises when they come into his yard!
;-)

223 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:05:21am

re: #218 SteveC

My brother had a cat that was very well behaved and always came when you called him (strange cat!) except this one time. He wouldn't come out of the corner, so I had to go over there and see what the problem was.

He had swatted this bee and killed it. When I looked down at the bee, the cat looked up at m as if to say "That damn thing BROKE! Fix it!"

I had a mouse in the house once. I found out because, naturally, the cats went rocketing after it to play. Only thing is, that's all they wanted to do: Play. It slowly teased the cats across the floor, gaining valuable inches as they idly batted at it, until it disappeared through a return vent in the floor and dropped into the basement. My cat turned and looked up at me like, "Well? Are you going to go down there and bring it back?"

224 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:08:39am

re: #223 thedopefishlives

I had a mouse in the house once.

That's not a problem, that's a Dr. Seuss book!

225 SixDegrees  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:10:01am

Oops - posted this downstairs but meant to put it here:

Here's an excellent program from BBC featuring a tour of a natural history museum with a creationist and a paleontologist.

The outright brainwashing of children on display is sickening, as is the overt stupidity and outright rejection of logic and evidence. Well worth listening to, both for the direct glimpse into the mind of a creationist and for answers to the obsfucation he attempts to raise.

226 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:18:25am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

Irish Rose had to put her dog to sleep; I'm trying to watch out for an injured dog on my street until animal control can get here; and some people are too stupid for words.

geez!

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:19:57am

I'm off.

Have a great day all!

228 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:20:00am

re: #199 Irish Rose

(((Irish Rose)))

229 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:21:28am

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together...


[Link: www.petloss.com...]

230 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:24:06am

Which all reminds me...I have to go to the Courthouse
and shell out 50 bucks...
No !I didn't let him ...he likes to jump!

231 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:26:07am

Sigh, so much for sleeping. Morning, all.

232 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:26:32am

Also lizards, please pray for my Marine.
I found out yesterday that he's going back to work on the flight deck, this time on the USS Stennis. He's going out to sea for a couple of months to train pilots for an upcoming deployment.

233 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:27:02am

re: #229 MandyManners

God bless you, Mandy.. thank you.

234 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:28:02am

re: #233 Irish Rose

God bless you, Mandy.. thank you.

You're welcome.

(((Irish Rose)))

235 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:28:31am
236 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:30:32am
237 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:31:20am

Flipping through the channels earlier today, trying to find a news program that didn't make my blood pressure rise (Yeah, right!) and found A Night to Remember on Turner Classic Movies! :)

I forget what it was about.

And I finally saw Titanic a couple of weeks ago. I don't want to give the plot away, but the boat sank! Bummer!

238 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:31:57am

re: #235 Thanos

Ok time for a boob thread: Miss California Officials to Carrie Prejean: Give us back our boobs!

That whole thing has just become a farce. Although the nice pictures help.

*ducks*

239 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:33:31am

re: #237 SteveC

The best thing about Titanic is Kate Winslet's two huge talents (as Joe Bob Briggs would say.)

240 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:33:38am

re: #238 thedopefishlives

That whole thing has just become a farce. Although the nice pictures help.

*ducks*

So that's what the kids call them these days!

241 Spider Mensch  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:34:03am

re: #232 Irish Rose

Also lizards, please pray for my Marine.
I found out yesterday that he's going back to work on the flight deck, this time on the USS Stennis. He's going out to sea for a couple of months to train pilots for an upcoming deployment.

I worked 8 years on carrier flight decks on the crash and salvage crew..just remind him to keep his head on a swivel, watch the young newbies, and stay clear of that foul line during flight ops!

242 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:34:18am

re: #236 SeaMonkey

Another Israeli spy.

Actually it was an FBI sting posing as Mossad. No evidence of direct Israeli involvement. This is one of the guys who found water on the moon.

243 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:35:13am

re: #235 Thanos

Ok time for a boob thread: Miss California Officials to Carrie Prejean: Give us back our boobs!

She'll never drown.

244 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:35:57am

re: #239 Mad Al-Jaffee

The best thing about Titanic is Kate Winslet's two huge talents (as Joe Bob Briggs would say.)

Guy picks up a pad of paper and a pencil, women take their clothes off. Only happens in the movies. If I pick up a pencil and a piece of paper, people start helping me make a To-Do list!

246 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:37:38am

re: #242 SeaMonkey

Actually it was an FBI sting posing as Mossad. No evidence of direct Israeli involvement. This is one of the guys who found water on the moon.

We can read.

247 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:40:00am

re: #236 SeaMonkey

Got any more anti-Israel shit?

248 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:41:08am

re: #247 MandyManners

Got any more anti-Israel shit?

Excuse me?

249 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:41:08am

re: #245 NJDhockeyfan

I guess my post about Kate Winslet is part of the boob thread.

250 cenotaphium  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:43:33am

re: #229 MandyManners

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again.

Not that I reckon' I'll be going to heaven if it turns out to exist, but I really hope this part isn't true, because well, I've had a few pets. Quite a lot, actually. While I mourn the loss of each and every one, I'm not sure I could cope with the avalanche of critters that'd be awaiting me.

..not to mention my cousin, who runs a kennel..

251 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:43:46am

re: #248 SeaMonkey

Got any more anti-Israel headlines from HuffPo?

253 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:45:06am

Yesterday I heard Hewitt promote a spot with 'the angry atheist Richard Dawkins.' Sounds like Hewitt will have him on today.

I've never heard Dawkins angry.

254 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:45:44am

re: #251 MandyManners

Got any more anti-Israel headlines from HuffPo?

Listen, the FBI arrested someone. You have a problem, go to them. Would you prefer the Wall Street Journal?

255 Mike DeGuzman  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:47:39am

re: #237 SteveC

Flipping through the channels earlier today, trying to find a news program that didn't make my blood pressure rise (Yeah, right!) and found A Night to Remember on Turner Classic Movies! :)

I forget what it was about.

And I finally saw Titanic a couple of weeks ago. I don't want to give the plot away, but the boat sank! Bummer!

Which movie version did you see? I've seen all eight movie versions! By the way, in all the versions the ship sank! LOL :D

256 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:50:51am

re: #255 Mike DeGuzman

Which movie version did you see? I've seen all eight movie versions! By the way, in all the versions the ship sank! LOL :D

This was mid 50's to early 60's? I turned it on in the middle of the movie (DURN!) so I missed the opening credits.

258 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:54:29am

The thing I hated about Titanic was the end when Kate Winslet was floating on whatever she was on in the water and Dicaprio was holding on. I would have pushed his bitch ass under.

259 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:55:00am

re: #253 BigPapa

Yesterday I heard Hewitt promote a spot with 'the angry atheist Richard Dawkins.' Sounds like Hewitt will have him on today.

I've never heard Dawkins angry.

Hewitt no doubt believes that atheists = angry, bitter and empty.
/At least, that's the impression I got when some found out about my lack of faith.

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

The thing I hated about Titanic was the end when Kate Winslet was floating on whatever she was on in the water and Dicaprio was holding on. I would have pushed his bitch ass under.

Harsh!
/

260 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:55:01am

Good morning. Wow what a night I missed here. I saw a dozen or so deletions, I guess there was some happy Troll hunting.

Irish Rose! We will certainly pray for your young Marine. Our thanks to him. We are pet people, cats as it happens.

We miss each and every one of the 5 cats we have had in our home over 25 years. We found some mixed blessing comfort in one fact-Our beloved pets are short lived. This always hurts to the bone. One particularly sad day I realized if cat #1, "patches" had been long lived like us people, we would have missed out of the wonderful full fun lives of the ones that we got or rescued later.We would have missed out on several fine feline lives. It hurts, but that's okay too.

Irish Rose I am kinda new around here, don't know you really. I'll just say that one wonderful short life lets us have room for the next. There is or will be a puppy out there to fill your heart. God Bless you Irish. Life is a circle.

261 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:55:28am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

The thing I hated about Titanic was the end when Kate Winslet was floating on whatever she was on in the water and Dicaprio was holding on. I would have pushed his bitch ass under.

I've never been a big fan of Leo, but the Mrs. Fish adores him. Ugh.

262 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:56:15am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

The thing I hated about Titanic was the end when Kate Winslet was floating on whatever she was on in the water and Dicaprio was holding on. I would have pushed his bitch ass under.

Water that cold?

"Don't go in there Jim! He's dead anyway."

263 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:56:24am

re: #261 thedopefishlives

I've never been a big fan of Leo, but the Mrs. Fish adores him. Ugh.

He was good in The Departed.

264 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:57:13am

re: #261 thedopefishlives

I've never been a big fan of Leo, but the Mrs. Fish adores him. Ugh.

D-I-V-O-R-C-E

///

265 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:57:55am

re: #263 NJDhockeyfan

Eh, granted. In general, though, I think he's a schmuck.

re: #264 SteveC

That's a bad word in my house.

266 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:58:03am

re: #264 SteveC

D-I-V-O-R-C-E

///

Tammy Wynette?
/

267 Irish Rose  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:00:03am

BBL, lizards.
Have a good morning.

268 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:01:10am
269 SteveC  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:03:22am

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tammy Wynette?
/

Good call. She's better looking and I can't sing.

270 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:06:49am

What do you make of this?

Sir Christopher Monckton: Copenhagen treaty eviscerates U.S. sovereignity

Sir Christopher Monckton is a global warming skeptic. Former Vice President and Nobel Prize winner Al Gore has for years refused to accept Monckton's repeated challenge to a public debate on global warming.

He's also a very close reader of the proposed UN Climate Change Treaty President Obama is expected to sign along with other world leaders in Copenhagen in a few weeks. Monckton says that 200-page treaty cedes U.S. sovereignity to the UN, mandates a massive transfer of wealth from the U.S. and Europe to pay our "Climate Debt" to the Third World, and creates a new enforcement mechanism to make it all happen.

Is Monckton right? I don't know because I haven't yet read the treaty (But I soon will be). Here's his warning about the Copenhagen Treaty, and here's the draft text of the treaty. Judge for yourself.

271 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:10:04am

Massive Anglican defection to Rome.

Rowan Williams (Archbishop Shari'a Law) grows red in the face.

272 bofhell  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:13:40am

re: #254 SeaMonkey

Listen, the FBI arrested someone. You have a problem, go to them. Would you prefer the Wall Street Journal?

There has to be more to this story. The articles from yesterday made it sound like the FBI called this guy and said "Hello -- we're from Mossad, would you help us please". Oh PLEASE!

273 J.S.  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:13:42am

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

There have been a number of articles in the National Post about the up-coming Copenhagen meeting...I suppose one can state that even if one is not a "climate skeptic", that does not "solve" the related policy matter of "What do you do about Global Warming?" The latter may be more problematic than the former.

274 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:15:35am

re: #273 J.S.

There have been a number of articles in the National Post about the up-coming Copenhagen meeting...I suppose one can state that even if one is not a "climate skeptic", that does not "solve" the related policy matter of "What do you do about Global Warming?" The latter may be more problematic than the former.

I think the issue is this part:

Monckton says that 200-page treaty cedes U.S. sovereignity to the UN, mandates a massive transfer of wealth from the U.S. and Europe to pay our "Climate Debt" to the Third World, and creates a new enforcement mechanism to make it all happen.

Saving the planet is a good thing but this is not the way to do it.

275 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:18:35am

re: #254 SeaMonkey

Listen, the FBI arrested someone. You have a problem, go to them. Would you prefer the Wall Street Journal?

What's the subhead on that Journal article?

"FBI Arrests U.S. Government Physicist in Sting Operation Involving Nuclear Secrets"
See, a "sting" is a term of art in law enforcement, and refers to instances in which the authorities pretend to be parties engaged in criminal activity in order to persuade or induce others similarly disposed to show themselves wiling to engage in criminality, at which point they are arrested.

Maybe the article didn't make it perfectly clear, but the FBI agents were not Israelis.

276 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:19:36am

re: #274 NJDhockeyfan

Saving the planet is a good thing but this is not the way to do it.

Any such treaty would have to be ratified by two thirds of the Senate. Not gonna happen.

277 J.S.  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:19:58am

re: #274 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, that's been the argument put forward by the National Post...that the Copenhagen Treaty explitly mandates a wealth transfer to developing nations...(I haven't read the Copenhagen proposal, I'm just repeating what a Natonal Post editorial has concluded.)

278 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:20:45am

re: #272 bofhell

There has to be more to this story. The articles from yesterday made it sound like the FBI called this guy and said "Hello -- we're from Mossad, would you help us please". Oh PLEASE!

The Wall Street Journal story implies he has a suspicious history (those two hard drives) but no real evidence. Seems the FBI has been watching him for years. They must have spat their coffee all over their typewriters when he showed up on TV saying "There's water on the moon!"

279 J.S.  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:20:56am

re: #275 Guanxi88

And, in addition, the suspect is not "an Israeli".

280 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #275 Guanxi88

What's the subhead on that Journal article?

"FBI Arrests U.S. Government Physicist in Sting Operation Involving Nuclear Secrets"
See, a "sting" is a term of art in law enforcement, and refers to instances in which the authorities pretend to be parties engaged in criminal activity in order to persuade or induce others similarly disposed to show themselves wiling to engage in criminality, at which point they are arrested.

Maybe the article didn't make it perfectly clear, but the FBI agents were not Israelis.

The FBI agents called him pretending to be Israelis.

281 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:22:06am

re: #279 J.S.

And, in addition, the suspect is not "an Israeli".

No, the suspect asked the FBI-posing-as-Mossad for an Israeli passport.

282 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:22:36am

Speaking of spies, what's up with that elderly couple from the State Department who were recently charged with spying for Cuba?

283 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:22:37am

re: #278 SeaMonkey

The Wall Street Journal story implies he has a suspicious history (those two hard drives) but no real evidence. Seems the FBI has been watching him for years. They must have spat their coffee all over their typewriters when he showed up on TV saying "There's water on the moon!"

Yeah, the hard drives thing is a bit weird, but then again, I'm known to walk around with flash drives that later can't be found. Given the nature of his work, it's definitely troubling, and certainly enough to bring him to the attention of the Feds.

And yeah, I bet it was something of a shock to see a suspect in an espionage case participating in a high-profile presser.

284 KingKenrod  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:23:52am

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

What do you make of this?

Sir Christopher Monckton: Copenhagen treaty eviscerates U.S. sovereignity

I don't know much about this particular issue, but it's probably just a scare tactic. The Constitution forbids ceding sovereignty (whatever that means) and in any event it won't be anything not done before with large agreements like NPT or GATT.

As far as "enforcement mechanisms" go - have you ever seen the UN enforce anything?

285 J.S.  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:24:03am

re: #281 SeaMonkey

Go re-read the "news" item, OK? For starters, it's not about "An another Israeli spy." And where do you get the "another" business from? or for that matter, that the alleged "spy" is an Israeli?

286 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:24:40am

re: #284 KingKenrod


As far as "enforcement mechanisms" go - have you ever seen the UN enforce anything?

LOL

287 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:24:48am

re: #280 SeaMonkey

The FBI agents called him pretending to be Israelis.

Given that

1) He'd worked for an Israeli government enterprise; and
2) Of any nation soliciting espionage, Israel would be among the least objectionable

it's not surprising that they'd say they were Israelis. Their chances of success would have been vanishingly small were they to represent themselves as, say, Italians, South African Boers, or what-have-you.

As I said yesterday, if he's found guilty, he gets the book, a big heavy one, thrown at him.

288 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:25:02am

re: #281 SeaMonkey

I could use an Israeli Passport!
I mean ...Have you seen the Women in Israel!!!
Honestly,I didn't think there was that much we don't share with Israel...

289 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:25:33am

Fist remains clinched...

Iran Stabs Obama in the Back

290 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:25:47am

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

What do you make of this?

Sir Christopher Monckton: Copenhagen treaty eviscerates U.S. sovereignity

I make that anyone can say anything at anytime on the net which in no way makes it true or in any way based on fact.

291 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:26:11am

re: #282 Cato the Elder

Speaking of spies, what's up with that elderly couple from the State Department who were recently charged with spying for Cuba?

Pardons and appointment as special envoys to Zelaya?

///

292 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:27:48am

re: #290 Tungsten

From what I've heard we could use a few Lord Moncktons in
D.C.!
Or have I missed something!

293 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:28:57am

re: #283 Guanxi88

Yeah, the hard drives thing is a bit weird, but then again, I'm known to walk around with flash drives that later can't be found. Given the nature of his work, it's definitely troubling, and certainly enough to bring him to the attention of the Feds.

And yeah, I bet it was something of a shock to see a suspect in an espionage case participating in a high-profile presser.

My suspicion is that this guy was operating as somewhat of a lone wolf. "Oh, hey, I want to make myself look important, why don't I just nab some information that my former employers might want and sneak it over to them." That doesn't make him an Israeli spy, it makes him an idiot who tried to sell secrets to the Israelis. Now if it turns out Israel actually paid him to conduct espionage, that's a different matter altogether; but considering the reasonably good working relationship our countries have, I doubt they'd torpedo that for some high-level military secrets they probably already have anyway.

294 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:30:09am

re: #292 reloadingisnotahobby

From what I've heard we could use a few Lord Moncktons in
D.C.!
Or have I missed something!

You missed Rush and Beck and Hannity and Coulter and ...

Instead of making stuff up on the web they make stuff up on TV and radio.

295 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:30:21am

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

Fist remains clinched...

Iran Stabs Obama in the Back

it's just a scratch, and TV news shows are a bigger problem now

296 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:31:31am

re: #285 J.S.

My suspicion is that this guy was operating as somewhat of a lone wolf. "Oh, hey, I want to make myself look important, why don't I just nab some information that my former employers might want and sneak it over to them." That doesn't make him an Israeli spy, it makes him an idiot who tried to sell secrets to the Israelis. Now if it turns out Israel actually paid him to conduct espionage, that's a different matter altogether; but considering the reasonably good working relationship our countries have, I doubt they'd torpedo that for some high-level military secrets they probably already have anyway.

Right, but it's happened before. We spy on England, allies, even close ones, spy on each other. It may be that the guy is crazy -- that would actually be a happy ending.

297 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:32:28am

re: #295 albusteve

it's just a scratch, and TV news shows are a bigger problem now

If only Fox News would unclench their fists...

298 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:33:02am

re: #294 Tungsten
So... The sound bites and quotes are "taken out of context"?
The little I heard was Monckton saying It will be a BADtreaty for U.S. and Britain ..
for the reasons stated above and more!

299 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:34:45am

re: #271 Cato the Elder

Massive Anglican defection to Rome.

Rowan Williams (Archbishop Shari'a Law) grows red in the face.

I love it. The Anglican's loss is a gain for Catholicism, which still believes in itself, whereas Rowan Williams seems to believe in left-wing politics.

300 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:34:49am

re: #293 thedopefishlives

My suspicion is that this guy was operating as somewhat of a lone wolf. "Oh, hey, I want to make myself look important, why don't I just nab some information that my former employers might want and sneak it over to them." That doesn't make him an Israeli spy, it makes him an idiot who tried to sell secrets to the Israelis. Now if it turns out Israel actually paid him to conduct espionage, that's a different matter altogether; but considering the reasonably good working relationship our countries have, I doubt they'd torpedo that for some high-level military secrets they probably already have anyway.

Knew a fellow who was an ASW guy (a scope dope, as they were called). Told me a story about a fellow in his unit who walked off with a set of manuals and such for some new Buck Rogers magnetometer system for tracking Soviet subs - still in development, so he was testing the thing.

Anywho, traitor squid shows up at Soviet consulate in San Fran and never gets past the gate. Guard at the gate picked up the phone and called the FBI as soon as this guy said why he was there. "I've got something that you might be interested in" was enough for cagey old Ivan there.

Evidently, that sorta thing happened with some frequency - a jackass would just show up at a Soviet consul's office with some nugget or other of intel, never get past the gate, and then get to tell his story to J. Edgar's boys. Evidently the Soviets never trusted anybody who showed up like that - always assumed it was a trick, that the intel was old or bad, and, frankly, not worth the kinda heat it would be likely to bring down on them.

301 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:36:42am

Why is everyone so inclined to give the U.N. power over
EVERYONE
and EVERYTHING???
Have they never seen "Pinky and the Brain"??
That's about how effective they are!
Sheesh!

302 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:37:21am

re: #300 Guanxi88

Isn't that how John Walker started out in the 60's?

303 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:37:30am

re: #298 reloadingisnotahobby

So... The sound bites and quotes are "taken out of context"?
The little I heard was Monckton saying It will be a BADtreaty for U.S. and Britain ..
for the reasons stated above and more!

And apparently you think that what this dude says is important? Why is that? What are his credentials? If I posted a video of myself in a British accent wearing a vest claiming that the US has been hiding the fact that Cheerrios are really donut seeds, would I gather an army of ardent supporters to my claim? Is that all you need to do? We shall have a march on Washington (munching on donuts of course)!

304 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:39:56am

this is getting ridiculous...arm the ships, repel boarders, kill pirates...problem solved

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

305 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:42:26am

re: #304 albusteve
All they need to do is give the Shipping Companies 100's of
PotBellied Pigs for Ship mascots!
Problem solved!
...For Muslim Pirates anyway!

306 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:42:44am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

Isn't that how John Walker started out in the 60's?

Ya know, I think he sold some bit of crypto kit to them. A thing like that would be easy enough to confirm in its value; manuals and such for a magnetometer, less so.

It's like when Lee Oswald defected to the Soviets - they assumed as a matter of course that he was a phoney defector - the information he was giving about the U-2 couldn't possibly be correct - the altitude seemed impossibly high. Later on, they pegged him as a nutter.

307 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:43:31am

re: #304 albusteve

this is getting ridiculous...arm the ships, repel boarders, kill pirates...problem solved

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

China does not want to arm its civilian crews, since said arms might later be used against its tyrannical government. Still, I think the pirates have hijacked the wrong ship. The Chinese execute pirates, and I hope they execute every one of these pirates.

308 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:45:04am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

China is at the top of the list for executions!Were at a measly 4th or 5th...

309 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:45:05am

President Obama is hitting the campaign trail Tuesday, traveling to New York City to kick off a full plate of political events this week on behalf of his Democratic allies.

priorities, priorities...at tax payers expence

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

310 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:46:13am

re: #309 albusteve

Wow!
His four years went by fast...
Oh...wait.../

311 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:46:14am

re: #305 reloadingisnotahobby

All they need to do is give the Shipping Companies 100's of
PotBellied Pigs for Ship mascots!
Problem solved!
...For Muslim Pirates anyway!

Nope - you put pigs on a chinese-crewed ship, and not one of the snouted fellows would make it outta port alive. Chinese digs them some pig.

312 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:47:10am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

China does not want to arm its civilian crews, since said arms might later be used against its tyrannical government. Still, I think the pirates have hijacked the wrong ship. The Chinese execute pirates, and I hope they execute every one of these pirates.

stick a few Red Army guys on board...all these lame excuses gets people killed

313 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:47:16am

re: #311 Guanxi88

Even with a bow and a name???
Cretins!! LOL

314 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:47:30am

re: #311 Guanxi88

Nope - you put pigs on a chinese-crewed ship, and not one of the snouted fellows would make it outta port alive. Chinese digs them some pig.

So do we. It might be hard to keep the pig alive on one of our ships too.

Gotta go to work. BBT

315 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:47:59am

re: #309 albusteve

President Obama is hitting the campaign trail Tuesday, traveling to New York City to kick off a full plate of political events this week on behalf of his Democratic allies.

priorities, priorities...at tax payers expence

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

(Chicago) The White House trying to dictate who's a news organization. Democrats out to gut a business group. Obama media allies damning Americans as racist, unpatriotic and treasonous. Is this the America Obama promised when he campaigned to end the cynical and divisive politics of the past?

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

316 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:48:45am

re: #312 albusteve

stick a few Red Army guys on board...all these lame excuses gets people killed

True. Coupla PLA marines onboard would work wonders.

317 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:50:09am

re: #287 Guanxi88

The realpolitik fact is even allies spy on one another. We have the luxury of Hubble class or better spy satellites. Smaller nations depend on people. So from time to time we get embarrassed by something like this.

318 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:51:21am

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

(Chicago) The White House trying to dictate who's a news organization. Democrats out to gut a business group. Obama media allies damning Americans as racist, unpatriotic and treasonous. Is this the America Obama promised when he campaigned to end the cynical and divisive politics of the past?

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

if one were cynical enough, one could see all this coming a year ago...

319 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:52:42am

Space agencies, Google seek ways to save forests

I have a really good idea. Google should refuse any ads for any products that deplete forests. And while they are at it, their search engine should exclude any web sites that would in some way add to the destruction of forests.

[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

320 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:52:46am

re: #300 Guanxi88

Knew a fellow who was an ASW guy (a scope dope, as they were called). Told me a story about a fellow in his unit who walked off with a set of manuals and such for some new Buck Rogers magnetometer system for tracking Soviet subs - still in development, so he was testing the thing.

Anywho, traitor squid shows up at Soviet consulate in San Fran and never gets past the gate. Guard at the gate picked up the phone and called the FBI as soon as this guy said why he was there. "I've got something that you might be interested in" was enough for cagey old Ivan there.

Evidently, that sorta thing happened with some frequency - a jackass would just show up at a Soviet consul's office with some nugget or other of intel, never get past the gate, and then get to tell his story to J. Edgar's boys. Evidently the Soviets never trusted anybody who showed up like that - always assumed it was a trick, that the intel was old or bad, and, frankly, not worth the kinda heat it would be likely to bring down on them.

Pulled a few counter examples from wiki, looks like the Soviets would accept walk ins, at least some of the time:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] (Soviet Embassy in Mexico)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] (Soviet Embassy in Austria)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

321 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:53:12am

re: #309 albusteve

President Obama is hitting the campaign trail Tuesday, traveling to New York City to kick off a full plate of political events this week on behalf of his Democratic allies.

priorities, priorities...at tax payers expence

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

At least hs is working: Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

322 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:53:12am

re: #317 Rightwingconspirator

The realpolitik fact is even allies spy on one another. We have the luxury of Hubble class or better spy satellites. Smaller nations depend on people. So from time to time we get embarrassed by something like this.

Look, we all know it happens. Thing is, it's terribly perilous for all involved.

Joe thinks he's spying for Israel, but his controller's a Russian who's free-lancing for the Syrians. The very nature of the biz makes this kind of thing unavoidable and unknowable. -you controller or contact is not likely to show you his credentials, and, unless you're really dumb, you'll never contact the embassy, consulate, or anything else in any way connected with the nation for whose benefit you're spying.

That's why ya gotta nail each and every last one of these guys to the wall when you catch them.

323 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:53:14am

re: #318 albusteve

if one were cynical enough, one could see all this coming a year ago...

Some of us here saw it a long time ago, and cynical had nothing to do with it, intelligence did.

324 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:54:47am

re: #321 Tungsten

At least hs is working: Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

325 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:54:52am

NYT:

As the Commander in Chief Deliberates, Frustration Builds Within the Ranks

WASHINGTON — Only nine months ago, the Pentagon pronounced itself reassured by the early steps of a new commander in chief. President Obama was moving slowly on an American withdrawal from Iraq, had retained former President George W. Bush’s defense secretary and, in a gesture much noticed, had executed his first military salute with crisp precision.

But now, after nearly a month of deliberations by Mr. Obama over whether to send more American troops to Afghanistan, frustrations and anxiety are on the rise within the military.

A number of active duty and retired senior officers say there is concern that the president is moving too slowly, is revisiting a war strategy he announced in March and is unduly influenced by political advisers in the Situation Room.

326 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:55:44am

re: #324 Tungsten

Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

I invite Obama to break that record.

327 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:56:29am

re: #324 Tungsten

Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

You do understand that the election is over now, right?

And working? Frankly, I'm happiest when the President, irrespective of party, ISN'T working. It's when these guys decide to try to fix something or other that things slide into a skid.

328 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:56:40am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

Some of us here saw it a long time ago, and cynical had nothing to do with it, intelligence did.

nothing has surprised me at this point...it has a sureal quality about it, but I refuse to be outraged or shocked or whatever...the writing was on the wall

329 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:56:51am

re: #324 Tungsten

Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

Good catch. When did Bush leave office? Oh, that's right, he's gone, don't matter as much now, does it. And I guess if Bush did it, then it's alright for Obama to do it. I get it, sort of like little kids in the school yard "na na'ing" each other.

330 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:57:45am

re: #320 McSpiff

Pulled a few counter examples from wiki, looks like the Soviets would accept walk ins, at least some of the time:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] (Soviet Embassy in Mexico)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] (Soviet Embassy in Austria)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Interesting, especially the guy with the cable-tapping thing. Gonna have to ask Capt. [REDACTED] to clarify this for me.

331 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:58:27am

re: #326 bosforus

I invite Obama to break that record.

LOL That's actually funny in a saterical way!

332 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:59:17am

re: #331 Tungsten

LOL That's actually funny in a saterical way!

It works as satire, too!

333 J.S.  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:59:23am

Just read an opinion piece in which the writer (Canadian) alleges that the Balloon boy caper could only happen in America...(o brother.)

334 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:59:25am

re: #331 Tungsten

LOL That's actually funny in a saterical way!

Why thank you very much. That's what I was going for.

335 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:59:34am

re: #327 Guanxi88

You do understand that the election is over now, right?

And working? Frankly, I'm happiest when the President, irrespective of party, ISN'T working. It's when these guys decide to try to fix something or other that things slide into a skid.

Sorry cant agree with you there. I want the President in Washington doing his job as often as possible.

336 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:59:41am

re: #331 Tungsten

LOL That's actually funny in a saterical way!

Satirical no, that's the fucking truth.

337 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:00:28am

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

Good catch. When did Bush leave office? Oh, that's right, he's gone, don't matter as much now, does it. And I guess if Bush did it, then it's alright for Obama to do it. I get it, sort of like little kids in the school yard "na na'ing" each other.

Not my point at all.

338 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:01:10am

re: #335 Tungsten

Sorry cant agree with you there. I want the President in Washington doing his job as often as possible.

Make up your mind. First you compare Obama to Bush, taking unnecessary trips (but Bush won the contest) and we agreed, and now you come back and say you want him to stay put in Washington. Confusing.

339 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:01:11am

re: #335 Tungsten

Sorry cant agree with you there. I want the President in Washington doing his job as often as possible.

If he was gonna do his Presidential job at the ranch, Bush should have called it the Western White House, or something.

340 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:01:24am

re: #330 Guanxi88

Interesting, especially the guy with the cable-tapping thing. Gonna have to ask Capt. [REDACTED] to clarify this for me.

Totally. I'd be the first to admit that Wiki might not be the most accurate source either ;-). I did remember a tv special on Walker where they also said he was a walk in. Couldn't remember his name and found the other ones while looking for that.

341 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:01:37am

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

Satirical no, that's the fucking truth.

No reason to be rude...

342 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:01:41am

re: #337 Tungsten

Not my point at all.

So, it's mine!

343 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:02:20am

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

So, it's mine!

all your truths are belong to ME!

344 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:02:37am

re: #335 Tungsten

Sorry cant agree with you there. I want the President in Washington doing his job as often as possible.

Screw that? Ya think a Chief Executive is like a plumber or something? You misunderstand the nature of the thing if that's what you expect.

Look at Carter - that was one busy guy - had his fingers in a million pies, and didn't get a whole lot of anything done because he was too busy doing things.

'sides, what exactly would you have him do? Give yet another speech on something? Hold yet another conference with yet another group of people in his admin? Maybe he should suit up and go into battle in Afghanistan?

He's an executive - the pres doesn't need to constantly DO anything.

345 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:02:44am

re: #341 Tungsten

No reason to be rude...

I'm sorry. Shouldn't have use the word truth when talking about Obama.

346 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:04:27am

re: #345 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry. Shouldn't have use the word truth when talking about Obama.


LOL!
Good morning Walter!!
Ha!

347 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:04:44am

re: #344 Guanxi88

Screw that? Ya think a Chief Executive is like a plumber or something? You misunderstand the nature of the thing if that's what you expect.

Look at Carter - that was one busy guy - had his fingers in a million pies, and didn't get a whole lot of anything done because he was too busy doing things.

'sides, what exactly would you have him do? Give yet another speech on something? Hold yet another conference with yet another group of people in his admin? Maybe he should suit up and go into battle in Afghanistan?

He's an executive - the pres doesn't need to constantly DO anything.

Actually I expect him to be in Washington working towards the goals he set ou in the campaign.

348 Ateam  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:05:00am

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

re: #331 Tungsten


Satirical no, that's the fucking truth.


I must say - all I read here months ago becomes horrible facts.
Good evening from Tel-Aviv

349 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:05:13am

I think we all agree we'd like to see the president, whoever it may be, working as effectively and as often as possible for the benefit or everyo- I'm sorry, I can't even finish this sentence. It's just too implausible.

350 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:05:45am

re: #346 reloadingisnotahobby

LOL!
Good morning Walter!!
Ha!

Hi. Yep, a little satire and someone wants to shut down your speech. Happens every time.

351 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:06:05am

re: #347 Tungsten
Now your scaring me!!

Oh wait...You haven't recieved your check yet have you?

352 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:06:48am

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

Hi. Yep, a little satire and someone wants to shut down your speech. Happens every time.

Lost me there.

353 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:06:50am

re: #347 Tungsten

Actually I expect him to be in Washington working towards the goals he set ou in the campaign.

And what were those goals, and what could he, who does not have the power to legislate, do to advance them from his desk in the Oval Office?

Frankly, I'd be pleased to learn he was reading up on history, political science, law, philosophy, that sorta thing. If he's going to just give speeches all day long, well, I guess that's okay of that's what you want, but it's worse than doing nothing at all.

354 Stormy  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:06:51am

re: #321 Tungsten

At least hs is working: Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

Does somebody actually track "vacation" days?

Do Presidents fill out a timesheet each week?

I find it hard to believe that any President is ever on vacation while in office. Like the leader of the free world has to be in the oval office to do his job. This isn't a defense of any one President - but a reminder that everywhere they go (and the vehicles they travel in) provide secure, mobile, work environments.

355 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:07:08am

re: #351 reloadingisnotahobby

Now your scaring me!!

Oh wait...You haven't recieved your check yet have you?

What check would that be?

356 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:07:37am

re: #347 Tungsten

Actually I expect him to be in Washington working towards the goals he set ou in the campaign.

Then why, when Steve links to an article about his little "working vacations," do you jump right on the "Bush took more vacations than anyone" bandwagon, instead of coming right out and declaring "I expect him to be in Washington...?" There's a disconnect here.

357 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:08:07am

re: #353 Guanxi88

And what were those goals, and what could he, who does not have the power to legislate, do to advance them from his desk in the Oval Office?

Frankly, I'd be pleased to learn he was reading up on history, political science, law, philosophy, that sorta thing. If he's going to just give speeches all day long, well, I guess that's okay of that's what you want, but it's worse than doing nothing at all.

Executive Orders, conduct foreign diplomacy, etc

358 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:08:10am

re: #355 Tungsten

What check would that be?

Your zionist honco stipend. We all get them.

359 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:08:12am

re: #352 Tungsten

Lost me there.


You'll understand when you get to know Walter!
;-)

360 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:08:29am

A question for the more experienced lizards- I have a friend who has been unable to register here. Now he and I often spar over politics. We disagree a lot.

But he is a career accountant and has worked up a deep piece on Goldman Sachs. Its a powerful indictment. Lots of work. I'm not at all sure about posting "straw man" or for him. Is this ok or not?

361 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:08:58am

re: #348 Ateam

I must say - all I read here months ago becomes horrible facts.
Good evening from Tel-Aviv

Morning. The Oracles Of LGF, that's us.

362 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:09:02am

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

Then why, when Steve links to an article about his little "working vacations," do you jump right on the "Bush took more vacations than anyone" bandwagon, instead of coming right out and declaring "I expect him to be in Washington...?" There's a disconnect here.

Actually I was curious what the folks in the thread thought about that. Was there as much vitrol posted at the number of days Resident Bush did the same thing?

363 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:09:13am

re: #357 McSpiff

Executive Orders, conduct foreign diplomacy, etc

Executive Orders _ Cripes! How many situations a day do you suppose arise that would require this?

Conduct foreign policy _ I though that was what Hillary was supposed to do.

364 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:09:52am

re: #355 Tungsten

His campaigner...
His supporters praising him for the help they'll receive with
their bills and car paym...Oh never mind!

365 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:09:55am

re: #360 Rightwingconspirator

...I'm not at all sure about posting "straw man" or for him. Is this ok or not?


What do you mean by this?

366 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:10:10am

re: #360 Rightwingconspirator

A question for the more experienced lizards- I have a friend who has been unable to register here. Now he and I often spar over politics. We disagree a lot.

But he is a career accountant and has worked up a deep piece on Goldman Sachs. Its a powerful indictment. Lots of work. I'm not at all sure about posting "straw man" or for him. Is this ok or not?

my experience is tossing around banana peels...but post whatever you want

367 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:10:15am

re: #358 Guanxi88

Your zionist honco stipend. We all get them.

Nope none for me.

368 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:10:43am

re: #367 Tungsten

Nope none for me.

Me neither, but I'm assured they'll get to me soon enough.

369 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:11:06am

re: #367 Tungsten

Nope none for me.

Would you like a check from the Zionist CABAL? We all get them here.

370 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:11:06am

re: #362 Tungsten

Actually I was curious what the folks in the thread thought about that. Was there as much vitrol posted at the number of days Resident Bush did the same thing?

don't be ridiculous...one is not the same as the other

371 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:11:35am

re: #364 reloadingisnotahobby

His campaigner...
His supporters praising him for the help they'll receive with
their bills and car paym...Oh never mind!

A so we are back to the satire...

372 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:11:55am

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

Would you like a check from the Zionist CABAL? We all get them here.

Look, I asked, and he wasn't hep to the honco stipends. Why even bother to mention CABAL disbursements?

373 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:12:22am

re: #363 Guanxi88

Executive Orders _ Cripes! How many situations a day do you suppose arise that would require this?

Conduct foreign policy _ I though that was what Hillary was supposed to do.

I'm just saying there is things he can do, not that he should. I'm not 100% sure what the division between the Pres and SoS is to be honest. But I assumed if the President wanted to be involved in diplomacy he could be?

For a head of state with nothing to do, check out the Canadian Governor General. Now there's a sweet gig.

374 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:12:29am

re: #365 bosforus

Its his work, he authorized me to post it here. He has little time to monitor LGF for a registration opening.

I may not even agree with his conclusions, but it may well be worth running by the sharp minds here. "Straw man" is when you use somebody to door say something for you, that you can not.

375 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:12:38am

Whoa...

Helen Thomas Warns White House to Quit Attacking Fox News

Veteran White House correspondent Helen Thomas, who has covered every president since Jack Kennedy, advised the White House to abandon their attacks on Fox News today. She attributed the administration's visceral reaction to the cable outlet to a naive sense of invincibility generally held by new presidents (video embedded below the fold).

Asked by Joe Scarborough of MSNBC's 'Morning Joe' what "we want our president to know and do," in reference to the title of her new book, Thomas immediately replied "stay out of these fights... They can only take you down. You can't kill the messenger."

Thomas's coauthor, CQ reporter Craig Crawford, added that "presidents are better off, Joe, when they punch up and not down."

376 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:12:46am

re: #370 albusteve

don't be ridiculous...one is not the same as the other

So the root of the problems is that apparently folks have issue with the President campaigning for Democrats?

377 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:12:53am

re: #368 Guanxi88

Me neither, but I'm assured they'll get to me soon enough.


It 's distributed by your S.S. #...
Oh! You don't have one?
Call me at[no phone numbers allowed]..

378 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:13:27am

re: #371 Tungsten

A so we are back to the satire...

I think Walter that!
He's sooo good!

379 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:13:37am

re: #376 Tungsten

So the root of the problems is that apparently folks have issue with the President campaigning for Democrats?

as for me, I despise democrats, so yes

380 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:15:15am

re: #379 albusteve

as for me, I despise democrats, so yes

Well you will have to add me to your dispise list I am afraid. Funny that. You dont even now me but you dispise me. Very interesting

381 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:15:36am

re: #374 Rightwingconspirator

Ah, I was thinking along the lines of "straw man argument". Hence, I was confused.
My take would be - if it's that much of a concern I'd shoot an email to Charles, tell him the situation, and see if he'll let you register an account for your friend.

382 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:15:47am

re: #373 McSpiff

I'm just saying there is things he can do, not that he should. I'm not 100% sure what the division between the Pres and SoS is to be honest. But I assumed if the President wanted to be involved in diplomacy he could be?

For a head of state with nothing to do, check out the Canadian Governor General. Now there's a sweet gig.

I've always thought that we expect too much of the President, and that's why they all end up wasting so much time and effort in order to be seen doing something. Look at Jack Welsh, CEO of GE. Do you suppose he designed a single aircraft engine, endorsed a single loan agreement, or tightened a single bolt on one of their assembly lines? No, he didn't.

DO you think Henry Ford did the accounting for his factories? Payroll? No. But he led them all the same.

383 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:15:48am

re: #378 reloadingisnotahobby

I think Walter started that!
He's sooo good!

384 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:16:12am

re: #374 Rightwingconspirator

That's not what the term "straw man" is normally used for. A straw man is a faked up argument you create by putting words in the mouth of your opponent, which you can easily refute. It's a tactic sometimes used by people who can't refute their opponent's actual statements.

385 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:16:56am

re: #376 Tungsten

So the root of the problems is that apparently folks have issue with the President campaigning for Democrats?

Some of us have issues with the president, period. And yes, considering the job numbers (or lack there of) and the Afghan situation to name a few, there is more important things than campaigning. He hasn't stopped campaigning since 2007.

386 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:17:07am

re: #372 Guanxi88

Look, I asked, and he wasn't hep to the honco stipends. Why even bother to mention CABAL disbursements?

I guess I am just not with the in group. I think I will survive, alone and lonely. Wasting my days isolated and alone...
/sigh

387 avanti  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:17:31am

re: #380 Tungsten

Well you will have to add me to your dispise list I am afraid. Funny that. You dont even now me but you dispise me. Very interesting

I despise idiots, I don't care what their party affiliation is. I could point out many in both parties, and from the left and right.

388 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:17:52am

re: #382 Guanxi88

I've always thought that we expect too much of the President, and that's why they all end up wasting so much time and effort in order to be seen doing something. Look at Jack Welsh, CEO of GE. Do you suppose he designed a single aircraft engine, endorsed a single loan agreement, or tightened a single bolt on one of their assembly lines? No, he didn't.

DO you think Henry Ford did the accounting for his factories? Payroll? No. But he led them all the same.

The greatest presidents were great leaders. What kind of leader do we have today?

389 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:18:57am

re: #382 Guanxi88

I'd agree with that. I just in general prefer parliamentary systems like the UK's and Canada's. The leader is located where they can actually do something to implement their campaign promises, and they can be attacked and defend their policies on a regular basis.

390 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:18:59am

re: #380 Tungsten

Well you will have to add me to your dispise list I am afraid. Funny that. You dont even now me but you dispise me. Very interesting

don't take it personally

391 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:19:46am

re: #380 Tungsten

Well you will have to add me to your dispise list I am afraid. Funny that. You dont even now me but you dispise me. Very interesting

Let's see, how can I explain this? Hmmm... despise you. No, I think we are talking about RHETORIC, the art of Political Malice, debate... speaking for myself, I don't think anyone hates you.

Did I put that in perspective for you, or are you going to continue to take this personal?

392 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:19:55am

re: #385 Walter L. Newton

Some of us have issues with the president, period. And yes, considering the job numbers (or lack there of) and the Afghan situation to name a few, there is more important things than campaigning. He hasn't stopped campaigning since 2007.

So you do want him in Washington working! Now I am confused.

393 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:20:08am

re: #386 Tungsten

Oh, come now. We're just trying to keep our lizard army solidified.

394 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:21:04am

re: #392 Tungsten

So you do want him in Washington working! Now I am confused.

I want him fucking gone. Clear enough?

395 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:21:09am

re: #374 Rightwingconspirator

You could post your friend's paper with attribution - not necessarily by name, but by general credentials, and making clear that it's not your own work or position. If you put it in quote blocks, it will be visually clear that they aren't your words. (If it's long, you'll need to divide it and post it in sections.)

Or if your friend has someplace else online to post it, you could then link to that posting.

396 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:21:23am

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Let's see, how can I explain this? Hmmm... despise you. No, I think we are talking about RHETORIC, the art of Political Malice, debate... speaking for myself, I don't think anyone hates you.

Did I put that in perspective for you, or are you going to continue to take this personal?

I usually see the term democrat applied to the rank and file party members. I'm not sure how someone could take that as anything other than a personal attack...

397 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:22:11am

re: #386 Tungsten

I guess I am just not with the in group. I think I will survive, alone and lonely. Wasting my days isolated and alone...
/sigh

You thought Rush Limbaugh used up the "satire" excuse but no, it's alive and well and just as hollow and phony. You have to let it go. When Charles is around lizards become more polite. Sometimes after he weighs in on a thread, people even reverse their opinions -- just like magic.

398 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:22:11am

re: #388 NJDhockeyfan

The greatest presidents were great leaders. What kind of leader do we have today?

Haven't had a decent executive for a long time now. Reagan was good at it - great in fact, becuase he had a team of advisors and such who were sharper, smarter, better informed than he was, and loyal to a fault. Clinton got the hang of it (so to speak) by his second term. W was good at delegation, true enough, but lacked for loyal henchmen.

399 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:22:13am

re: #394 Walter L. Newton

I want him fucking gone. Clear enough?

...as in "not in office" (clarification for the Obama's Shut Down The Media Team who is probably reading this).

400 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:22:50am

re: #394 Walter L. Newton

I want him fucking gone. Clear enough?

Clear yes but there you go cursing at me again. Not sure I deserve that... Still no reason to be rude.

401 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:23:06am

re: #395 lurking faith

You could post your friend's paper with attribution - not necessarily by name, but by general credentials, and making clear that it's not your own work or position. If you put it in quote blocks, it will be visually clear that they aren't your words. (If it's long, you'll need to divide it and post it in sections.)

Or if your friend has someplace else online to post it, you could then link to that posting.

Something like wikileaks might be a good place to host it.

402 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:23:38am

re: #400 Tungsten

He wasn't cursing at you, he was cursing at the word "gone".

403 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:23:57am

re: #396 McSpiff

I usually see the term democrat applied to the rank and file party members. I'm not sure how someone could take that as anything other than a personal attack...

Oh, here we go with the Democrat/Democratic bullshit again. Another little "outrage" by the left to try to shut down speech. If you didn't get the gist of the message... too bad... I don't think Steve was personally attacking Tungsten.

404 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:24:08am

Iran court jails U.S.-Iranian scholar: report

TEHRAN (Reuters) - A court has sentenced Iranian-American scholar Kian Tajbakhsh, who was detained after Iran's disputed June election, to more than 12 years in jail, the official IRNA news agency reported on Tuesday.

"The only thing I can say is that (the jail sentence) was more than 12 years," lawyer Houshang Azhari told IRNA. Azhari, who did not give further details, said the sentence would be appealed.

The verdict looked certain to anger the United States, which is seeking to engage the Islamic Republic in direct talks to resolve a long-running row over Tehran's disputed nuclear ambitions.

405 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:24:12am

re: #354 Stormy


Do Presidents fill out a timesheet each week?

According to The Onion, they do:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

406 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:24:44am

re: #400 Tungsten

Clear yes but there you go cursing at me again. Not sure I deserve that... Still no reason to be rude.

I'm cursin' at Obama, ok, you's get me now. Madonne!

407 Silvergirl  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:25:00am

re: #375 NJDhockeyfan

I liked this one too

There’s only one thing dumber than picking a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel -- picking a fight with people who don’t even have to buy ink. The Obama administration’s war on Fox News is dumb on multiple levels. It makes the White House look weak, unable to take Harry Truman’s advice and just deal with the heat. It makes the White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck. It makes the White House look childish and petty at best, and it has a distinct Nixonian -- Agnewesque? -- aroma at worst. It is a self-defeating trifecta: it distracts attention from the Obama administration’s substantive message; it serves to help Fox, not punish it, by driving up ratings; and it deprives the White House, to the extent it refuses to provide administration officials to appear on the cable network, of access to an audience that is, in fact, broader than hard-core Obama haters.

408 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:25:31am

re: #400 Tungsten

Clear yes but there you go cursing at me again. Not sure I deserve that... Still no reason to be rude.

that's it...you can't use my bathroom

409 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #408 albusteve

that's it...you can't use my bathroom

LOL now thats funny!

410 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:26:44am

re: #408 albusteve

that's it...you can't use my bathroom

Racist!

411 albusteve  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:27:21am

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

Racist!

gotta scoot...need to beat up the old lady next door

412 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:27:49am

re: #411 albusteve

gotta scoot...need to beat up the old lady next door

in bed?

413 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:28:06am

re: #411 albusteve

gotta scoot...need to beat up the old lady next door

Get her purse and rings for me, ok?

414 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:28:31am

re: #409 Tungsten

LOL now thats funny!

So, keep up. You have to spend a little time here to catch the different "flavors" of the different Lizards here. And the tone and tenor of discussions here can change as the dynamics of whoo are signed on changes.

This is no place to get lazy (no, I did not just call you lazy) or let your debating guard down.

Other than that, have fun.

415 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:28:34am

Ray Nagin Visits Cuba to Learn About Disaster Preparedness

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin is on a field trip to Cuba, on a State Department sanctioned expedition, in order to learn about disaster preparedness.

One might think that after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Ray Nagin would know just about all there is to know about how to prepare for a hurricane. Trial by fire, as they say. However, it seems as if Mayor Nagin believes he can learn something from Cuba.

416 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:28:39am

re: #411 albusteve

gotta scoot...need to beat up the old lady next door

Is that what they're calling it these days?

417 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:28:40am

re: #400 Tungsten

Clear yes but there you go cursing at me again. Not sure I deserve that... Still no reason to be rude.

Wow. That was not cursing AT you; that was merely cursing in your presence.
(If you're really that sensitive, you must have a lot of trouble reading open comments anywhere on the web.)

418 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:29:06am

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

I'm cursin' at Obama, ok, you's get me now. Madonne!

Well the conversation is between you and I. I am a Texas boy, we don't use language like that in public at least not where I am from. Sorry if you took offense! I just dont think that is necessary to have an intellegent conversation. You don't like the current President - note to self-

419 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:29:09am

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

Oh, here we go with the Democrat/Democratic bullshit again. Another little "outrage" by the left to try to shut down speech. If you didn't get the gist of the message... too bad... I don't think Steve was personally attacking Tungsten.

He said he despises democrats. I'm assuming he meant the Democratic Party of the United States. That means the members.

When I say I despise the KKK, I don't mean I hate white hoods and burning crosses. I mean I despise the members and their actions.

I think albusteve is fully entitled to that position, I just don't think it will win him many friends among people who identify as democrats.

420 Gus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:30:00am

After living in my apartment for 8 years, economic conditions have forced me to move -- within the next two weeks.

I only have 4 words for the administration in the White House:

It's the economy, stupid.

421 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:30:59am

re: #418 Tungsten

Well the conversation is between you and I. I am a Texas boy, we don't use language like that in public at least not where I am from. Sorry if you took offense! I just dont think that is necessary to have an intellegent conversation. You don't like the current President - note to self-

Bullshit (oops, I did it again). I lived in Texas almost 20 years, Dallas, Richardson, Mesquite, Plano, Garland, Houston, Spring... maybe I ran with the wrong Texans.

422 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:31:03am

re: #418 Tungsten

Reality check. This isn't Texas.

423 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:31:15am

re: #417 lurking faith

Wow. That was not cursing AT you; that was merely cursing in your presence.
(If you're really that sensitive, you must have a lot of trouble reading open comments anywhere on the web.)

Well thanks for your concern! I appreciate that, but no worries I will be fine.

424 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:32:01am

re: #419 McSpiff

He said he despises democrats. I'm assuming he meant the Democratic Party of the United States. That means the members.

When I say I despise the KKK, I don't mean I hate white hoods and burning crosses. I mean I despise the members and their actions.

I think albusteve is fully entitled to that position, I just don't think it will win him many friends among people who identify as democrats.

I'll let Steve take up this with you, I was sort of butting in without really knowing what Steve meant.

Go ahead Steve, tell him you hate Democrats... LOL.

425 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:32:30am

re: #422 bosforus

Reality check. This isn't Texas.

Now you should have added "anymore Toto" to that comment to really hit the sarite mark we are trying to achieve in ths thread.

426 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:32:44am

re: #424 Walter L. Newton

I'll let Steve take up this with you, I was sort of butting in without really knowing what Steve meant.

Go ahead Steve, tell him you hate Democrats... LOL.

Fair enough, I butted in there as well.

427 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:32:57am

re: #420 Gus 802

After living in my apartment for 8 years, economic conditions have forced me to move -- within the next two weeks.

I only have 4 words for the administration in the White House:

It's the economy, stupid.

Really Gus. You need some help or something?

428 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:33:27am

re: #425 Tungsten

Now you should have added "anymore Toto" to that comment to really hit the sarite mark we are trying to achieve in ths thread.

Er, that would be parody.

429 Tungsten  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:33:36am

Well thanks for the conversation. Off to work! Have fun!

430 gregb  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:33:44am

re: #41 talon_262

Oh, you want that martyr cookie real bad, don't you? Want to be able to tell all your buddies on the stalker and wingnut sites that you were just minding your own business, doing nothing at all, then Charles just up and bans you for no reason?

Homey don't play that...

/jackass

Ooo, that's so racist. (From news article last week on Michelle Obama's makeup about black-face and white-face makeup).

431 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:34:10am

re: #429 Tungsten

Well thanks for the conversation. Off to work! Have fun!

We did!

432 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:35:09am

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

We did!

LOL

433 Gus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:35:12am

re: #427 Walter L. Newton

Really Gus. You need some help or something?

Thanks Walter! I have a place to stay for the mean time -- a friend's house.

434 gregb  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:36:26am

re: #433 Gus 802

Thanks Walter! I have a place to stay for the mean time -- a friend's house.

Make sure he's got a fast interweb connection (trying to make light...)

435 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:36:52am

re: #421 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit (oops, I did it again). I lived in Texas almost 20 years, Dallas, Richardson, Mesquite, Plano, Garland, Houston, Spring... maybe I ran with the wrong Texans.

OK that's it.
I am sick and tired of your fowl language.
Is it any wonder you attracted a cheep shot?

436 [deleted]  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:38:07am
437 Gus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:38:42am

re: #434 gregb

Make sure he's got a fast interweb connection (trying to make light...)

I think he does. Have to quit smoking or smoke outside though. Probably a good thing since I can't afford the damn things anymore.

438 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:39:16am

Flouncy bouncy, bouncy flouncy, funfunfunfunfun.

439 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:40:57am

Oh gads!
We're in deep deification when this turns into a Mammary,
Adult Beverage and ..ah... Firearms thread!
;-)

440 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:41:00am

'Cool' car rules could affect radios, phones

Washington -- California's latest requirement for the auto industry -- advanced window glazing to keep vehicles cooler -- could prevent drivers from making phone calls, listening to satellite radio or using garage door openers.

It also could lead Chrysler Group LLC to stop selling its soft-top convertible Jeep Wrangler in the Golden State. The standard for sunroofs is so tough that automakers warn the glass would have to be "effectively black."

The California Air Resources Board has adopted a new "Cool Cars" regulation ordering advanced glazing of windows to block the sun's heat and reduce the need for air conditioning. Windows must be coated with microscopic specks of metal oxide to reflect sunlight.

441 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:41:22am

re: #436 zioncat

Because it's too much trouble for you to quit using it on your own? Weak.

442 gregb  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:41:37am

re: #437 Gus 802

I think he does. Have to quit smoking or smoke outside though. Probably a good thing since I can't afford the damn things anymore.

Or you can always go warwalking...

Either way, I hope you land on your feet.

443 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:41:53am

re: #436 zioncat

Impossible. It's simply too much work. What are you thinking?!

444 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:42:01am

re: #420 Gus 802

After living in my apartment for 8 years, economic conditions have forced me to move -- within the next two weeks.

I only have 4 words for the administration in the White House:

It's the economy, stupid.

Moving sucks under any circumstances, but duress makes it absolute hell.

I'm in New England. Need anything?

445 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:42:05am

I have to go back and read my comments...
I don't think I said anything offensive...

446 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:42:19am

re: #423 Tungsten

Well thanks for your concern! I appreciate that, but no worries I will be fine.

Nice to know. :)

LGF is pretty civilized, as blogs go. Not to say we don't sling insults around at times, but mostly we try to consider context and distinguish when something is directed at a person and when it isn't.

Oh, the flame wars I've seen... (cue schmaltzy music to reminisce by)

447 Gus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:42:37am

re: #442 gregb

Or you can always go warwalking...

Either way, I hope you land on your feet.

Thanks, I hope I do too.

448 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:43:25am

re: #438 thedopefishlives

Flouncy bouncy, bouncy flouncy, funfunfunfunfun.

Three little bunny rabbits: Flouncy, Bouncy and Cottonhead.

449 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:43:45am

Looks like it's going to be one of those days.

450 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:45:14am

re: #448 Cato the Elder

Three little bunny rabbits: Flouncy, Bouncy and Cottonhead.

... and Bearbait.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:45:24am

I wonder what would happen if someone flounced and Charles refused.

452 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:45:25am

This is what happens when you depart from the right wing orthodoxy, I guess.

The hatred is an order of magnitude greater than anything I ever saw from the left.

453 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:45:43am

I'm moving today also!
My office.
From a 14 yearold courthouse closet to a real office in a 72year old ex Hospital...Yeah me...I think!

454 Silvergirl  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:45:50am

re: #448 Cato the Elder

Three little bunny rabbits: Flouncy, Bouncy and Cottonhead.

And then Little Bunny Foo Foo appears

455 Gus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:45:50am

re: #444 Cato the Elder

Moving sucks under any circumstances, but duress makes it absolute hell.

I'm in New England. Need anything?

Thanks Cato. I think I'll be able to scrape by here. Needless to say I am under "duress" or a little pissed off for several reasons. For one I used to work for the owner of the building and we were on good terms. His nephew is my landlady's boss and I know him too more or less. With that, and after being here for 8 years, I am being treated like I am a stranger that just moved in a couple of months ago.

456 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:46:22am

re: #452 Charles

It's also why R's can't find candidates who can actually win right now who are willing to run for office.

457 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:47:34am

re: #436

Who flounces on an open topic thread anyway? Lame.

458 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:47:57am

Lots of hate mail overnight too.

459 jaunte  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:48:20am

re: #457 lurking faith

Control issues. Premature ejection.

460 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:48:21am

re: #452 Charles

This is what happens when you depart from the right wing orthodoxy, I guess.

The hatred is an order of magnitude greater than anything I ever saw from the left.

That's because the left doesn't consider you a traitor to their cause. You never had much in common with them anyway.

461 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:48:45am

re: #457 lurking faith

re: #436

Who flounces on an open topic thread anyway? Lame.

Ironically enough, most of the flounces I've seen from LGF have been in overnight open threads. True story.

462 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:48:47am

Some of these nitwits may feel it is a badge of honor to get banned at LGF.

463 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:49:07am

Michelle Malkin and the rest of the Rabid socon wolfpack are on the hunt for Scozzafava and other viable candidates right now on behalf of candidates who can't win.

464 SeaMonkey  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:49:25am

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

Some of these nitwits may feel it is a badge of honor to get banned at LGF.

Like a gang initiation.

465 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:51:21am

re: #461 thedopefishlives

Ironically enough, most of the flounces I've seen from LGF have been in overnight open threads. True story.

Really? I've seen quite a few flounce overnight in topic threads. But then, I go looking.

466 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:51:50am

re: #463 Thanos

Michelle Malkin and the rest of the Rabid socon wolfpack are on the hunt for Scozzafava and other viable candidates right now on behalf of candidates who can't win.

They already have a website for that.

467 XopXproxyX  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:52:08am

re: #458 Charles

Charles, while we are on the subject of "critics" of this site, can I get your opinion on the situation over at LGF watch. If you read their latest posts there, they seem about ready to make peace with you.

468 enoughalready  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:52:11am

re: #463 Thanos

Michelle Malkin and the rest of the Rabid socon wolfpack are on the hunt for Scozzafava and other viable candidates right now on behalf of candidates who can't win.

"But she is pro-abortion, she must be shunned! Shunned! All right-thinking believers must shun her. She is a RADICAL LEFTIST COMMIE!"

Bah. Soon they'll turn on each other. Soon enough.

469 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:52:29am

Aggravation,
Can be fun,
Join the holy orgy, kamasutra,
Everyone.

470 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:52:29am

re: #455 Gus 802

Thanks Cato. I think I'll be able to scrape by here. Needless to say I am under "duress" or a little pissed off for several reasons. For one I used to work for the owner of the building and we were on good terms. His nephew is my landlady's boss and I know him too more or less. With that, and after being here for 8 years, I am being treated like I am a stranger that just moved in a couple of months ago.

They won't work something out with you? Or can they suddenly get a lot more money if they give you the boot? I don't understand this stuff.

Local business (bar-grill) went under at the beginning of the year because the landlord decided to double the rent at the end of their lease - in the midst of a recession. Like anyone can suddenly make double rent. So now the space has been empty since January 1 and is becoming an eyesore and a break-in magnet. No new tenant in sight. That was in Baltimore, where I thankfully no longer reside.

Who screws an old tenant without having a new one nailed down?

471 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:54:18am

What is "LGF watch?"

472 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:54:39am

re: #470 Cato the Elder

They won't work something out with you? Or can they suddenly get a lot more money if they give you the boot? I don't understand this stuff.

Local business (bar-grill) went under at the beginning of the year because the landlord decided to double the rent at the end of their lease - in the midst of a recession. Like anyone can suddenly make double rent. So now the space has been empty since January 1 and is becoming an eyesore and a break-in magnet. No new tenant in sight. That was in Baltimore, where I thankfully no longer reside.

Who screws an old tenant without having a new one nailed down?

I've assumed in the these situations its a last ditch thing. Either the landlord gets double the rent, or they go under. If they lose the tenant... well, they were gonna lose that rent either way.

473 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:54:44am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

The original stalker blog.

474 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:55:29am

re: #465 lurking faith

Really? I've seen quite a few flounce overnight in topic threads. But then, I go looking.

Eh, see, I don't really go looking, though it can be entertaining.

475 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:56:01am

re: #473 Sharmuta

The original stalker blog.

Ok. I really don't know. I'm not kidding when I have mentioned that I don't keep up with any of these other rogue blogs that have been mentioned here. Sometimes I need my memory refreshed.

476 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:56:04am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

What is "LGF watch?"?

FTFY. Extra nit-picky, today!

477 Gus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:56:28am

re: #470 Cato the Elder

They won't work something out with you? Or can they suddenly get a lot more money if they give you the boot? I don't understand this stuff.

Local business (bar-grill) went under at the beginning of the year because the landlord decided to double the rent at the end of their lease - in the midst of a recession. Like anyone can suddenly make double rent. So now the space has been empty since January 1 and is becoming an eyesore and a break-in magnet. No new tenant in sight. That was in Baltimore, where I thankfully no longer reside.

Who screws an old tenant without having a new one nailed down?

One unit next to mine has been vacant for well over a year. The other one is now on their third tenant since I've been here. Not only that but he just moved in and is still moving stuff from the apartment he moved from in our building. So no, they don't have anything lined up at all. Not only that but they're going to have to remodel my place to get it back up to snuff: new carpet, paint, appliances, and a good number of other things. So not only will the lose me as a tenant, but they'll have to invest in the remodel. This after 8 years and I'm estimating that I've payed about $70,000 in rent.

478 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:56:32am

RS McCain posted a response to the allegations about his racist statements. He doesn't deny making the statements and doesn't defend himself. He's sticking with that tactic.

479 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:56:33am

re: #474 thedopefishlives

Eh, see, I don't really go looking, though it can be entertaining.

I find then more pitiful...

480 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:56:52am

re: #452 Charles

Well, you're doing a bang up job and we all appreciate it.
Frank Sinatra: My Way

481 McSpiff  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:56:54am

re: #465 lurking faith

Really? I've seen quite a few flounce overnight in topic threads. But then, I go looking.

I think thats because they seem to stay up longer, gives all the stalkers a chance to see it.

482 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:57:10am

re: #478 Killgore Trout

RS McCain posted a response to the allegations about his racist statements. He doesn't deny making the statements and doesn't defend himself. He's sticking with that tactic.

To which there are witnesses!

483 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:57:22am

re: #476 Cato the Elder

FTFY. Extra nit-picky, today!

Maybe Walter is British.

484 gregb  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:57:45am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder what would happen if someone flounced and Charles refused.

That's like an offshoot of "supposed they had a war and nobody came..."?

California has pretty robust privacy laws. Unless as part of the registration process, they agreed to a "terms of service" (which given the animosity and subterfuge of some of the registrants--I would wholly recommend one), they have a right to have all their information removed. Even their posts...

Attrition.org had the absolute best TOS. They are a grey hat site that was used by both the black and white hat "hacking" community. They would archive new and novel attacks for security, attribution, and forensic reasons. Often the victim would find out about their security breach through the site and, therefore, blame the site out of pure ignorance. Part of their TOS included the right to post any material submited to the site in perpetuity. Their "going postal"[1] section is a dark, humorous copy of Griffin and Sabine. [2]

[1] [Link: attrition.org...]
[2] [Link: tinyurl.com...]

485 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:57:46am

re: #479 reloadingisnotahobby

I find then more pitiful...

Ah, see, I've run a couple of smaller-time online communities and I've seen my share of dramatic emo flounces. It doesn't really affect me anymore, and in some cases I just laugh and tell the emoquitter, "Heh, I saw that coming anyway, kthxbye."

486 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:59:25am

re: #466 NJDhockeyfan

They already have a website for that.

Notice they like Bachman, Club for Growth, and Tea Parties (which is almost de rigeur since Hoffman is a third party candidate) and dislike Newt Gingrich... It's going to get uglier.

487 Gus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:01:05am

I better get back to work.

BBL

488 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:01:06am

re: #481 McSpiff

I think thats because they seem to stay up longer, gives all the stalkers a chance to see it.

Sure; that's the point of posting while Charles sleeps. They hope to escape notice as long as possible. Exhibitionist flouncers.

489 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:01:10am

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

Ok. I really don't know. I'm not kidding when I have mentioned that I don't keep up with any of these other rogue blogs that have been mentioned here. Sometimes I need my memory refreshed.

I'm not even sure if they maintain that site any more. Since the split with the VB-loving fascists, the people over there have sided more and more with Charles over Spencer and Geller, so I think they may have lost some of their previous whatever that fueled their CDS.

490 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:01:46am

re: #483 Ben Hur

Maybe Walter is British.

Nah, it's the Brits who do it right. We Yanks are the ones who insist on putting commas etc. inside quotes, even when they're not part of the quote. I refuse to follow dumb rules unless I'm writing for money - then I'm courteous and save the publisher the editing costs. None of them have editors anymore anyway. I know. I used to be one.

Anyway, an exclamation point or a question mark always goes outside the quote unless it's part of it, even among us dumb Yanks...

491 Dreader1962  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:02:32am

re: #485 thedopefishlives

Ah, see, I've run a couple of smaller-time online communities and I've seen my share of dramatic emo flounces. It doesn't really affect me anymore, and in some cases I just laugh and tell the emoquitter, "Heh, I saw that coming anyway, kthxbye."

I think when they ask to leave, they should be 'sentenced' to post every 30 minutes for 24 hours so the Lizards can make fun of them, then block them.

Why in the world would someone ask to have an account deleted that they never use? Of course, just to get street cred over at a stalker site.

Also, I don't believe claims that a stalker site is ready to 'make peace' - that's obviously something to drum up traffic on their site. I hope nobody is tempted to check them out - what would be the use?

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:02:58am

re: #452 Charles

This is what happens when you depart from the right wing orthodoxy, I guess.

The hatred is an order of magnitude greater than anything I ever saw from the left.

Folks hate a (perceived) traitor worse than a (perceived) enemy.

493 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:03:30am

Could be a rough day here. My scroll wheel is broken.

:(

494 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:03:43am

re: #490 Cato the Elder

Nah, it's the Brits who do it right. We Yanks are the ones who insist on putting commas etc. inside quotes, even when they're not part of the quote. I refuse to follow dumb rules unless I'm writing for money - then I'm courteous and save the publisher the editing costs. None of them have editors anymore anyway. I know. I used to be one.

Anyway, an exclamation point or a question mark always goes outside the quote unless it's part of it, even among us dumb Yanks...

Sh*t.

Then I've been doing it backwards.

I thought it was the other way around.

/(in bed)

495 jaunte  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:04:01am

re: #478 Killgore Trout

RS McCain posted a response to the allegations about his racist statements. He doesn't deny making the statements and doesn't defend himself. He's sticking with that tactic.

He has no defense except to claim that people don't know everything, and that no one can prove anything about him.

496 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:04:03am

re: #477 Gus 802

One unit next to mine has been vacant for well over a year. The other one is now on their third tenant since I've been here. Not only that but he just moved in and is still moving stuff from the apartment he moved from in our building. So no, they don't have anything lined up at all. Not only that but they're going to have to remodel my place to get it back up to snuff: new carpet, paint, appliances, and a good number of other things. So not only will the lose me as a tenant, but they'll have to invest in the remodel. This after 8 years and I'm estimating that I've payed about $70,000 in rent.

Well, in case you're not quite to the last ditch yet: many cities have tenant-landlord mediation services. The one in Baltimore is called Baltimore Neighborhoods and they're really quite good. You could call them and find out what the equivalent group is in your area. Just an idea. Mediation and some kind of workable agreement could save you the move.

497 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:04:25am

re: #490 Cato the Elder

Nah, it's the Brits who do it right. We Yanks are the ones who insist on putting commas etc. inside quotes, even when they're not part of the quote. I refuse to follow dumb rules unless I'm writing for money - then I'm courteous and save the publisher the editing costs. None of them have editors anymore anyway. I know. I used to be one.

Anyway, an exclamation point or a question mark always goes outside the quote unless it's part of it, even among us dumb Yanks...

I was quoting myself "!"

498 Silvergirl  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:05:14am

re: #493 wrenchwench

Could be a rough day here. My scroll wheel is broken.

:(

Time to dust off the Page Down key.

499 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:05:44am

re: #489 Sharmuta

I'm not even sure if they maintain that site any more. Since the split with the VB-loving fascists, the people over there have sided more and more with Charles over Spencer and Geller, so I think they may have lost some of their previous whatever that fueled their CDS.

I never heard of that one either. The only one I know of is LGF2. How many of these purgatory sites are there?

500 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:05:57am

re: #495 jaunte

He has no defense except to claim that people don't know everything, and that no one can prove anything about him.

I was led to believe there were witnesses.

501 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:06:07am

re: #458 Charles

Lots of hate mail overnight too.

Breakfast casserole is on the sideboard. Fresh pot of coffee, too.

502 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:06:21am

re: #493 wrenchwench

Could be a rough day here. My scroll wheel is broken.

:(

Space bar works pretty well for scrolling down a page at a time. Going back up's a bitch, though.

503 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:06:58am

re: #467 XopXproxyX

Are you associated with LGF watch?

504 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:07:23am

Wow, sounds like this thread got off to an eventful start last night!

505 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:07:32am

re: #498 Silvergirl

Time to dust off the Page Down key.

Hey, it works!

:)

re: #502 Cato the Elder

Space bar works pretty well for scrolling down a page at a time. Going back up's a bitch, though.

Oooh, that's a new one to me! Thanks!

The day is looking up...

506 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:08:44am

I must unplug my puter...
Have fun ya'll!!

507 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:09:07am

re: #489 Sharmuta

I'm not even sure if they maintain that site any more. Since the split with the VB-loving fascists, the people over there have sided more and more with Charles over Spencer and Geller, so I think they may have lost some of their previous whatever that fueled their CDS.

That being said, I don't know if I would ever trust a stalker blog unless I needed a source of raw, pure, unadulterated BS.

508 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:12:30am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

What is "LGF watch?"

They dogged Charles back when his blogging focussed more on this sort of thing.

509 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:14:39am

Hello?

510 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:14:46am

re: #508 The Sanity Inspector

They're idiots. They are now willing to support LGF becuase we're picking on Hot Air for racist comments. Where was the support when we were picking on DKos for antisemitism?

511 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:15:52am

re: #508 The Sanity Inspector

They dogged Charles back when his blogging focussed more on this sort of thing.

I think things changed over there once they realized Charles' stance on bigotry and intolerance was principled and not being used to justify the opposite intolerance as many in the "counter-jihad" are doing.

512 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:15:52am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm back from a well-deserved vacation, and see that the more that things change, the more they remain the same. I'm glad I missed the whole balloon boy crapfest, but see that the health care debate isn't so much a debate as an attempt to continue a 1-sided attempt by Democrats to push through health care without explaining their numbers or that it involves significantly raising taxes on everyone - both directly and indirectly.

The money has to come from somewhere to pay for it all, and yet the Democrats repeatedly try to obfuscate.

Meanwhile, we've got reports of actionable election fraud in upstate NY, linked to none other than the WFP (an ACORN offshoot). That's not merely voter registration fraud, but fraudulently cast ballots. Of course, the state and local officials haven't exactly bothered to enforce existing state law either (a problem that remains a nationwide issue since we've repeatedly seen state and local official around the country incapable of enforcing existing election law that is supposed to reduce the likelihood of election fraud).

513 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:16:33am

re: #512 lawhawk

Welcome back!

514 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:19:14am

re: #512 lawhawk

... now that you are back, let's get down to imparting some important information... let me tell you all about the Balloon Boy...

515 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:20:48am

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

... now that you are back, let's get down to imparting some important information... let me tell you all about the Balloon Boy...

He puked on national TV.

Twice!

516 Kragar  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:21:06am

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

... now that you are back, let's get down to imparting some important information... let me tell you all about the Balloon Boy...

His Dad still owes my brother money.

517 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:21:12am

re: #510 Killgore Trout

They're idiots. They are now willing to support LGF becuase we're picking on Hot Air for racist comments. Where was the support when we were picking on DKos for antisemitism?

I'm just waiting to see if "XopXproxyX" plans to answer my question.

518 John Neverbend  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:21:51am

Here's an example of a meaningful analysis of words in a text:

How Plagiarism Software Found a New Shakespeare Play

519 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:22:35am

re: #512 lawhawk

Balloon Boy was fun. I don't believe I've ever witnessed a more bare-faced liar than his dad.

520 flywheel  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:23:02am

re: #512 lawhawk

Inre: health care. Where are all the extra doctors going to come from to meet the new demand? Answer: They aren't going to come. Infact there will be a flight from the profession. Get ready for black market medicine.

521 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:23:55am

re: #519 Cato the Elder

Balloon Boy was fun. I don't believe I've ever witnessed a more bare-faced liar than his dad.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

522 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:24:11am

re: #519 Cato the Elder

Balloon Boy was fun. I don't believe I've ever witnessed a more bare-faced liar than his dad.

I don't think I ever saw a worst liar than his dad "."

523 Kragar  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:25:09am

re: #520 flywheel

Inre: health care. Where are all the extra doctors going to come from to meet the new demand? Answer: They aren't going to come. Infact there will be a flight from the profession. Get ready for black market medicine.

I'm planning to become an expert with the healing energy of crystals and other natural remedies. I figure I can bilk enough saps so I can pay for real doctors.

524 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:26:28am

Drudge has a post linked to Pat Buchanan on World Nut Daily...

Pat is a racist tool. The whole article is about the victimized, "white middle class"...
He is a race peddler of the ilk of Sharpton and Jackson. Drudge should be ashamed.

525 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:26:33am

re: #521 NJDhockeyfan

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Actually, when I wrote "bare-faced", I should have added "obvious" as the more important qualifier. Clinton could and doubtless still can lie with authority and make you believe him. Mr Heene was plainly lying his ass off in that interview with Wolf Blitzer - I've never seen a worse performance.

526 Bagua  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:26:48am

re: #467 XopXproxyX

Charles, while we are on the subject of "critics" of this site, can I get your opinion on the situation over at LGF watch. If you read their latest posts there, they seem about ready to make peace with you.

Who cares what those weirdo stalkers "situation" is or what they want?

527 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:27:18am

re: #523 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There are enough of 'em already - consider all the cranks and anti-vaxxers who are pushing that agenda re: swine flu and the annual influenza vaccines.

These are people who don't know what they're talking about and are endangering public health because they still hold to debunked notions that autism spawned from the administration of vaccines.

528 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:28:19am

Hot Air commenters are turning on Allahpundit, viciously.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Tap ... tap ... hmm, my sympathy meter seems to be broken. It's stuck on zero.

529 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:28:28am

re: #520 flywheel

Inre: health care. Where are all the extra doctors going to come from to meet the new demand? Answer: They aren't going to come. Infact there will be a flight from the profession. Get ready for black market medicine.

Not so. At least in HR 3200, there was a whole section devoted to a federal Healthcare Workforce, which in essence was a whole federally run schooling/training/employment program for new health care workers. It's similar to some existing federal sponsored schooling programs, but it's kick up to a whole new level.

I have the 1500+ page finance committee bill, which was released yesterday, but have not been able to get to it yet. I don't know what is going to be different about this version (except 500 more pages).

530 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:29:05am

re: #519 Cato the Elder

I can think of a few - Bill Clinton comes to mind (I did not have sexual relations with that woman). Ditto for Mark Sanford.

Or Jim McGreevey. Or Eliot Spitzer.

I could go on, but this guy's agenda was to get attention. He succeeded, just not in the way he hoped.

531 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:29:05am

re: #521 NJDhockeyfan

Well-deserved upding. Voted for Clinton twice.

(Preview seems to have died.)

532 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:29:23am

re: #525 Cato the Elder

Actually, when I wrote "bare-faced", I should have added "obvious" as the more important qualifier. Clinton could and doubtless still can lie with authority and make you believe him. Mr Heene was plainly lying his ass off in that interview with Wolf Blitzer - I've never seen a worse performance.

I have, but I'm in the business of performance.

533 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:30:33am

re: #510 Killgore Trout

They're idiots. They are now willing to support LGF becuase we're picking on Hot Air for racist comments. Where was the support when we were picking on DKos for antisemitism?

Nowhere to be found. They want to support those who are outing the racism and antisemitism of their enemies while leaving the splinter in their own eye. To them, the enemy of their enemy is their friend.

534 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:30:48am

re: #525 Cato the Elder

Actually, when I wrote "bare-faced", I should have added "obvious" as the more important qualifier. Clinton could and doubtless still can lie with authority and make you believe him. Mr Heene was plainly lying his ass off in that interview with Wolf Blitzer - I've never seen a worse performance.

I would also add that denying you've had sex with a woman can be seen as gallant. Denying that you lied about your kid being in mortal danger is just dumbass.

535 bosforus  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:30:50am

re: #517 Charles

I'm just waiting to see if "XopXproxyX" plans to answer my question.

Probably not. Danny F, I mean, XopXproxyX has probably gone underground permanently here. Ha ha

536 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:31:36am

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

There's a few more and different taxes, at least according to the reports I've read. I think the main differences will end up being how taxes and penalties are imposed, but the end results will be quite similar to the House version - a grossly unbalanced situation where the costs will be severely understated and the savings grossly inflated to claim a balanced budget, with the costs to be paid down the road in the form of significantly higher taxes.

537 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:31:49am

re: #530 lawhawk

I can think of a few - Bill Clinton comes to mind (I did not have sexual relations with that woman). Ditto for Mark Sanford.

Or Jim McGreevey. Or Eliot Spitzer.

I could go on, but this guy's agenda was to get attention. He succeeded, just not in the way he hoped.

I don't agree. He has DAVID LANE as his lawyer. That's as good as having William Morris Agency handling your entertainment career. Heene is going to have more offers than he can ever handle.

538 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:33:35am

re: #537 Walter L. Newton

I don't agree. He has DAVID LANE as his lawyer. That's as good as having William Morris Agency handling your entertainment career. Heene is going to have more offers than he can ever handle.

Not only will this shit pay off for him, it'll spark a wave of imitators.

I'm thinking of staging a fake kidnapping of my dog by aliens. Yep. That should work.

539 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:33:36am

re: #525 Cato the Elder

Actually, when I wrote "bare-faced", I should have added "obvious" as the more important qualifier. Clinton could and doubtless still can lie with authority and make you believe him. Mr Heene was plainly lying his ass off in that interview with Wolf Blitzer - I've never seen a worse performance.

Balloon Boy is a hero.
He outed the scam and puked on his lying father twice on national TV, and best of all he said "Who the hell is Wolf?".

540 flywheel  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:34:47am

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

I assume you are referring to para health professionals such as Nurse Practitioners and Physician Assistants. That will help, but it will not increase the number of seats in medical schools each fall or incite would be MDs to enter. Correct me if I am wrong.

541 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:35:12am

re: #536 lawhawk

There's a few more and different taxes, at least according to the reports I've read. I think the main differences will end up being how taxes and penalties are imposed, but the end results will be quite similar to the House version - a grossly unbalanced situation where the costs will be severely understated and the savings grossly inflated to claim a balanced budget, with the costs to be paid down the road in the form of significantly higher taxes.

And if that 8000 ceiling is considered prime coverage, and a taxable ceiling, than a lot of people are in trouble. I know a lot of people who pay that much for insurance and I tell you , they are not getting anything special in return. That ceiling WILL effect many middle class families that have nothing but average coverage.

It's really designed to break the backs of the private insurance companies.

542 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:36:50am

re: #538 Cato the Elder

Not only will this shit pay off for him, it'll spark a wave of imitators.

I'm thinking of staging a fake kidnapping of my dog by aliens. Yep. That should work.

Over the last five years, I have actually tried to think of schemes that I could effect that would give me my 15 minutes of fame, a few shots on talk shows and a book deal and then I disappear into the woodwork.

Let's face it, in this economy, it's the new way to rob a bank, a bank where people are just waiting in line to hand you money for your antics.

543 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:37:37am

re: #542 Walter L. Newton

Over the last five years, I have actually tried to think of schemes that I could effect that would give me my 15 minutes of fame, a few shots on talk shows and a book deal and then I disappear into the woodwork.

Let's face it, in this economy, it's the new way to rob a bank, a bank where people are just waiting in line to hand you money for your antics.

John and Kate plus 8 comes to mind...

544 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:37:38am

I have a feeling that Balloon Boy is going to be a very popular Halloween costume.

545 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:37:49am

re: #540 flywheel

I assume you are referring to para health professionals such as Nurse Practitioners and Physician Assistants. That will help, but it will not increase the number of seats in medical schools each fall or incite would be MDs to enter. Correct me if I am wrong.

Read HR 3200, we are talking doctors and everything under them. Just look at it like the feds running a medical college and the hospital right next store.

546 flywheel  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:38:58am

re: #545 Walter L. Newton

Chilling...

547 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:40:00am

re: #543 Oh no...Sand People!

John and Kate plus 8 comes to mind...

And the whole fact of the matter is, I've actually had my 15 minutes of fame about 5 times in my life, national coverage, and I still benefit a bit, off and on, from some of those accomplishments, but, it was for actual real accomplishments, not for being a jerk.

Jerk pays evidently.

548 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:42:13am

re: #546 flywheel

Chilling...

And I am saying that, in effect, they will be supporting all sorts of schools and staffing etc. You have to read HR 3200, section Section 2231.

Currently, it's not like "Federal Health Care Center Hospital" or "Federal School of Medicine."

549 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:44:15am

re: #539 Spare O'Lake

Balloon Boy is a hero.
He outed the scam and puked on his lying father twice on national TV, and best of all he said "Who the hell is Wolf?".

LOL - I hadn't seen that! Favorited.

550 John Neverbend  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:50:08am

re: #277 J.S.

Yes, that's been the argument put forward by the National Post...that the Copenhagen Treaty explitly mandates a wealth transfer to developing nations...(I haven't read the Copenhagen proposal, I'm just repeating what a Natonal Post editorial has concluded.)

Here is the proposal for the Copenhagen Climate Treaty.

A Copenhagen Climate Treaty

I'm not sure what the National Post was referring to, but perhaps it's the idea of "Support Obligations by Industrialized Countries" on pages 19-20.

551 Bagua  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:53:00am

re: #549 Cato the Elder

Balloon Boy Game

552 gregb  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:18:14pm

re: #538 Cato the Elder

Not only will this shit pay off for him, it'll spark a wave of imitators.

I'm thinking of staging a fake kidnapping of my dog by aliens. Yep. That should work.

According to a drudge link, that would offend people.
[Link: www.nbclosangeles.com...]

553 gregb  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:19:57pm

re: #551 Bagua

Balloon Boy Game

"Let your friends know you just completed level 1: Share on facebook"...uhhh, ooops, no.

554 XopXproxyX  Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:07:26pm

re: #503 Charles

I'm not involved in running the site if that's what you mean.
I was just wondering your opinion on it, I find it intriguing.
(btw I lost internet connection and forgot to check back earlier, I didn't "go underground", lol)


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