Malkin: Scozzofava a ‘Radical Leftist’

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Michelle Malkin links to neo-Confederate blogger Robert Stacy McCain and labels moderate Republican Dede Scozzofava a “radical leftist.’

If you differ from the red meat social conservative base on two primary issues — abortion and gay marriage — that’ll get you thrown out on your ear and labeled a radical leftist saboteur. Or even a “dangerous Neocon pro-war left-globalist secular revolutionary manipulator.”

If Hoffman takes the election, expect the social cons to really start consolidating their hold on the GOP, and expect the centrist purge to accelerate.

UPDATE at 10/31/09 11:50:13 am:

RedState’s Erick Erickson is already setting up the guillotines: The GOP Establishment Must Be Purged as the GOP Loses in NY-23.

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313 comments
1 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:28:57am

And nothing but the truth!

2 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:29:00am

From the same mentality that brought us "liberal = fascist".

3 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:29:30am

Gee, I thought she was a Rastafarian monarchist. Maybe I reached into the wrong bag of random epithets.

4 sneezey  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:29:34am

Sad what's happening to this party. I miss George.

5 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:30:29am

A trotskyite schismatic perhaps?

6 jeremy0114  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:30:53am

How is it a mere 2 years ago I had respect for these people? Has the world gone freaking mad?

7 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:30:58am

I wonder what she'd do if confronted by real radical leftists.

Does she just have no idea what the far left really is or is she really lumping Scozzofava into the same category as Trotskyists?

8 borgcube  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:33:39am

I must live in a hole. I don't think I know anyone who is one of these Republican purists whose vote is based primarily on these two issues. But, apparently they're everywhere.

I like Michelle Malkin, but this is nuts.

9 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:34:03am

re: #6 jeremy0114

How is it a mere 2 years ago I had respect for these people? Has the world gone freaking mad?

No, but a good few people have contracted a serious case of ODS.

10 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:34:12am
Michelle Malkin links to neo-Confederate blogger Robert Stacy McCain and labels moderate Republican Dede Scozzofava a “Radical leftist.’

She and others in the kookosphere are every bit as bad as the moonbats calling anyone to the right of Joe Lieberman a fascist. It's just as incorrect as when the left was doing it, and only continues to erode the political discourse in this country.

11 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:34:30am

Scozzofava voted further left than did most of her democrat colleagues on most issues.

12 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:36:29am

re: #11 Perplexed

Scozzofava voted further left than did most of her democrat colleagues on most issues.

The liberal republican is a time honored tradition in the Northeast. Now it seems the GOP is content with being a regional party with support nowhere outside of the south.

13 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:38:03am

So, NY 23 turns into matchup between Conservative party and Dem's. This should be interesting.

It's certainly not representative of the overall nation, but this might well be a small-scale test of the larger trends we will see in the years coming- a weird coalition of Paulians, theo-cons, so-cons, and such like, versus the Democratic party, which, whatever its quirks and own weirdness, is at least more or less held together by its national leadership.

Strange times, indeed.

14 philosophus invidius  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:39:15am

nytimes: "Ms. Scozzafava was concerned that she would be blamed as a spoiler if she stayed in the race and Mr. Owens won."

MM: "Finally: The spoiler exits the race."

That's gratitude for ya.

15 jeremy0114  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:39:46am

re: #8 borgcube

I must live in a hole. I don't think I know anyone who is one of these Republican purists whose vote is based primarily on these two issues. But, apparently they're everywhere.

I like Michelle Malkin, but this is nuts.

I must live in the same hole... But there must be a LOT of them somewhere...

I have started a little un-scientific poll around the people I know... offhandedly I ask 'hey, do you know how old the earth is?'... Have not met one person yet who says 'oh, 6000 years... Most normal response: 'oh millions of years... whats for lunch?'

16 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:39:59am

BTW, how stupid does this whole thing make the Republican Party's leadership, whose support must now be thrown behind the candidate who was opposing their nominee?

17 dugmartsch  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:41:42am

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

This is really funny.

19 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:43:43am

From the Politico article:

'Recognizing that a two-candidate race increased the chances that Republicans would hold on to the seat, a senior Democrat said the party will work to get Scozzafava to endorse Owens in an attempt to pick up some of her moderate supporters.

"If we don't get her on board we lose," said the Democrat.'

Nice, very nice. Should she do this, then the alienation of the Republican party from its newly-radicalized base will be complete. Let Scozzafava endorse the Dem, and the worst fears and most fervent imaginings of these folk will be seen to happen right before their eyes.

20 metrolibertarian  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:44:57am

What's particularly disgusting is this woman essentially did what Malkin and her Malkin's idiot supporters wanted, and they're still shitting all over Scozzafava.

21 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:45:50am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

The formerly reputable Pat Dollard: Breaking: Communist-Posing-As-Republican Judy Scozzafava Drops Out Of New York Congressional Race - Video Added

Let's see. Malkin's calling her a radical leftist. Pat Dollard is calling her a communist. I wonder what the combined IQ is of these two. Perhaps somewhere around 190. I was feeling generous.

22 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:45:57am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

The formerly reputable Pat Dollard: Breaking: Communist-Posing-As-Republican Judy Scozzafava Drops Out Of New York Congressional Race - Video Added

Again, is this hyperbole or do these people not know the difference between a liberal Republican and a revolutionary marxist? Do they really believe she's a Communist who believes in dialectical materialism and the bells and whistles? Is it just red baiting?

23 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:45:58am

Redstate: The GOP Establishment Must Be Purged as the GOP Loses in NY-23
by Erick Erickson

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:46:51am

re: #22 Conservative Moonbat

Is it just red baiting?


Probably.

25 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:47:34am

It's just amazing that Malkin called her a radical leftist. Do these idiots know what a radical leftist really is?

26 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:47:42am

re: #22 Conservative Moonbat

Do they really believe she's a Communist who believes in dialectical materialism and the bells and whistles?

Well, in fairness, few indeed are those who buy into the dialectical materialism. I doubt anyone other than some grim auto-didacts out in the hinterlands of the left ever really believed it.

27 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

It's just amazing that Malkin called her a radical leftist. Do these idiots know what a radical leftist really is?

Anyone who isn't pro-life and anti-gay marriage, of course. It's a really big tent we've set up for ourselves over here on the left.

/

28 harpsicon  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:49:33am

re: #12 Conservative Moonbat

The liberal republican is a time honored tradition in the Northeast. Now it seems the GOP is content with being a regional party with support nowhere outside of the south.

Running on the Working Families Party line, in addition to the Republican line, as Dede did last time, is quite a bit to the left of "liberal republican" as in Nelson Rockefeller.

Working Families Party is basically ACORN, so it isn't at all surprising that the Teachers Union was supporting her!

29 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:50:05am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

It's just amazing that Malkin called her a radical leftist. Do these idiots know what a radical leftist really is?

That's what I'm saying. If she's a radical leftist, what does it make these people?

30 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:50:16am

re: #4 sneezey

Sad what's happening to this party. I miss George.

George Washington?

Because the rise of these folks to feeling that they have a right to control the GOP? Bush and Rove's behavior got us here.

31 ulmsey123  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:50:33am

I recall Ed Koch once saying that if you agreed with him on MOST of his positions, you should vote for him. If you agreed on ALL his positions, you were CRAZY.
I think what I am seeing here is that if a candidate gets support, his/her supporters are viewed as political and mindless clones who back every statement and view of that candidate and must, by extension, be part of the same mindset as other politicians/leaders who are associated with them.

You all need to take a deep breath. Maybe the voters who support conservative candidates are simply generally conservative.

32 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:51:37am

re: #27 JasonA

Anyone who isn't pro-life and anti-gay marriage, of course. It's a really big tent we've set up for ourselves over here on the left.

/

LOLZ. Hey, I feel kinda sexy being a radical leftist. Perhaps I need to go buy myself a cute beret and some clove cigarrettes.

33 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:51:48am

re: #26 Guanxi88

Well, in fairness, few indeed are those who buy into the dialectical materialism. I doubt anyone other than some grim auto-didacts out in the hinterlands of the left ever really believed it.

I knew several when I was in college.

34 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:52:03am

re: #7 Conservative Moonbat

I wonder what she'd do if confronted by real radical leftists.

Does she just have no idea what the far left really is or is she really lumping Scozzofava into the same category as Trotskyists?

There's a word or phrase in psychology that describes a person that falls easily into a state of irrationality. It's almost like being a house of cards and then the last card is put in place and that house comes falling down.

Malkin and Dollard's principles (which is still a theory if they have one) are much like that house of cards. Abortion and gay marriage are two of the cards that bring it tumbling down.

So, another example of radical leftism, real radical leftism and not the hyperbolic definition, would be Counterpunch. This is a cached link since it does contain a great deal of anti-Israel literature.

35 borgcube  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:52:47am

re: #15 jeremy0114

Weird, isn't it? That's why I'm really not worried about all of the concerns about us becoming a theocracy by voting for candidates supported by these people. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that there is a very small but influential and effective group of 6000 year old Earth types trying to drive the GOP bus. Maybe they're just more organized and involved with political efforts, I don't know. I find it hard to believe that most Americans think that 6000 year old Earth nonsense will become an accepted norm or really have a chance outside of the dancing with snakes crowd. Then again, look at what Charles has been posting for months now on this subject. Again, I don't know where they are hiding, but they're not around here.

I think they're harmless for the most part. But, as Dennis Miller often says, "of course, that's my opinion, I could be wrong."

36 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:53:09am

re: #29 Conservative Moonbat

That's what I'm saying. If she's a radical leftist, what does it make these people?

Ersatz revolutionaries, whose anachronistic understanding of the nature of power, the state, and revolution make them the political equivalent of the Amish.

37 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:55:08am

I think we should take up a collection to get malkin some smelling salts.

38 philosophus invidius  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:55:36am

re: #16 Guanxi88

It re: #31 ulmsey123

That's BS. why else did they sabotage the actual GOP candidate?

39 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:55:40am

re: #33 Conservative Moonbat

I knew several when I was in college.

Positions held by anyone at College or University are not necessarily suggestive of anything other than the exotic growths one comes across in hothouses.

The real appeal of Communism wasn't the labor-theory-of-value, dialectical materialism, or nay of the other trappings and theory. Its appeal was, and is, that whereas everybody in the world knows that something is wrong, the Communists had a coherent diagnosis and a series of concrete proposals to deal with it. What drove people to it was precisely what drives people today into cults and such.

40 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:55:52am

re: #20 metrolibertarian

What's particularly disgusting is this woman essentially did what Malkin and her Malkin's idiot supporters wanted, and they're still shitting all over Scozzafava.

Well, you see how they treat John McCain, and he's a lot more conservative than Mrs. Scozzafava.

41 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:57:31am

re: #38 philosophus invidius

It re: #31 ulmsey123

That's BS. why else did they sabotage the actual GOP candidate?

The base is radicalized, and the party leadership misjudged the situation badly. They're trying now to prevent a Dem win of the seat and maybe get back some goodwill from those who left them for the Conservative party.

42 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:59:48am

re: #37 Sharmuta

I think we should take up a collection to get malkin some smelling salts.

Xanax, 0.5 mg, every 4 hours

43 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:00:14pm

re: #42 funky chicken

Xanax, 0.5 mg, every 4 hours

You could do worse.

44 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:00:30pm

Here's some audio in which Malkin, speaking to G. Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon who claims to have conspired to murder a journalist, calls Scozzafava a "part of the extremist fringe."

45 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:00:45pm

re: #43 Guanxi88

You could do worse.

And I have!

46 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:00:47pm

I have to share this - it's from Andrew Sullivan - comment on Dede dropping out with a South Park video called "Blood in the Water"

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

47 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:01:00pm

re: #42 funky chicken

Xanax, 0.5 mg, every 4 hours

Lithium, 600 mg, three times daily.

48 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:01:25pm

re: #29 Conservative Moonbat

re: #34 Gus 802

I dunno, I don't see any berets. I'm not joining any revolutionary socialists who don't wear cute berets.

/

49 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:02:02pm

re: #48 funky chicken

re: #34 Gus 802

I dunno, I don't see any berets. I'm not joining any revolutionary socialists who don't wear cute berets.

/

Beret wearing radical leftists? Let me look.

//

50 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:02:53pm

re: #45 bratwurst

And I have!

Recall a few such incidents myself. Important safety note - gin highballs do not constitute a suitable replacement for counseling or psycho-pharmaceutical interventions.

51 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:04:15pm

re: #48 funky chicken

re: #34 Gus 802

I dunno, I don't see any berets. I'm not joining any revolutionary socialists who don't wear cute berets.

/

re: #49 Gus 802

Beret wearing radical leftists? Let me look.

//

I've always wondered whether the t-shirts would have ever beenmade had Che been wearing a pith helmet, a pork pie hat, or one of those Panama hats.

52 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:04:54pm

re: #51 Guanxi88

I've always wondered whether the t-shirts would have ever beenmade had Che been wearing a pith helmet, a pork pie hat, or one of those Panama hats.

Probably not. Maybe the Panama hat.

53 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:06:58pm

re: #52 Gus 802

Probably not. Maybe the Panama hat.

Hats are a funny thing. Whenever I see photos from the bad old days of the Cold War, with all those PolitBureau guys standing on top of Lenin's Tomb in Red Square, it always reminds me of family photos taken in cold weather. I grew up in a family of hat-wearers (Conservative Jews) and so everybody's got a lid on in every picture. Funny the associations the mind makes.

54 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:07:02pm

Here we go: the Brown Berets. Sadly, I don't think they'll let me join.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I'll just have to continue my lonely search for radical leftist movements with berets. sniffle.

55 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:07:14pm

re: #29 Conservative Moonbat

That's what I'm saying. If she's a radical leftist, what does it make these people?

Who knows. The thing is it seems to me that many people have little understanding what socialism and for that matter communism is.

56 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:08:34pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

I have to share this - it's from Andrew Sullivan - comment on Dede dropping out with a South Park video called "Blood in the Water"

Wow...he is pretty brutal about it:

What we're seeing, I suspect, is an almost classic example of a political party becoming more ideological after its defeat at the polls. in order for that ideology to win, they will also have to portray the Obama administration as so far to the left that voters have no choice but to back the Poujadists waiting in the wings. And that, of course, is what they're doing. There is a method to the Ailes-Drudge-Cheney-Rove denialism. They create reality, remember?

From the mindset of an ideologically purist base - where a moderate Republican in New York state is a "radical leftist" - this makes sense. But for all those outside the 20 percent self-identified Republican base, it looks like a mix of a purge and a clusterfuck. If Hoffman wins, and is then embraced by the GOP establishment, you have a recipe for a real nutroots take-over. This blood in the water will bring on more and more and deadlier and deadlier sharks.

57 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:09:09pm

Dick Armey: “Parochial” to Expect Hoffman to Care About His District’s Concerns - David Frum

From a story in the Oct. 23 Watertown Times:

In a nearly hour-long session [with the paper's editorial board], Mr. Hoffman was unable to articulate clear positions on a number of matters specific to Northern New Yorkers …

Regarding the proposed rooftop highway across the top of the district linking Watertown to Plattsburgh, Mr. Hoffman said only that he was open to studying the idea ….

Mr. Hoffman had no opinion about winter navigation and widening the St. Lawrence Seaway … He was not familiar with the repercussions of a proposed federal energy marketing agency for the Great Lakes ….

A flustered and ill-at-ease Mr. Hoffman objected to the heated questioning, saying he should have been provided a list of questions he might be asked.

Dick Armey, shepherding Hoffman through the interview, “dismissed regional concerns as ‘parochial’ issues that would not determine the outcome of the election.”

I wonder if Armey ever told voters in his district that their concerns were parochial?

This is what the 23rd will be getting with Hoffman. A man that will answer to Dick Armey and Sarah Palin but not to his constituency.

58 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:09:27pm
Women held an important role in the writing and distribution of "La Causa", but even though this was so, the Brown Berets, as the rest of the Chicano Movement, did not fully take women into strong leadership positions. The jobs assigned to women in the Brown Berets consisted of office type jobs and clerical/secretarial jobs. Sexism within the Brown Berets was evident. Brown Berets saw themselves as liberated men and ignored the women's struggle because they, male Brown Berets, believed that the feminist movement was a white women's movement and that above all, first came the liberation of the La Raza. One female Brown Beret, Grace Reyes, in charge of writing for La Causa, constantly wrote articles about women within the Brown Berets/the Chicano Movement and the sexist attitudes towards them but they were not published and ignored.

Yup, I'm afraid the Brown Berets are definitely not the place for an uppity gringa.

59 OneMonkeysUncle  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:09:31pm

re: #49 Gus 802

AND clever T-shirts of Dede-as-Che. Berets, and Dede-as-Che shirts, or forget the whole thing - no self-respecting revolutionary socialist would join any movement that didn't have berets AND cool T-shirts.

60 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:09:39pm

OT:
Texas Officially Makes The Universe Ageless

The Texas Board of Education voted on Friday to remove the universe's age from the state's educational standards, used as source material for the state's school textbooks

61 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:10:05pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Who knows. The thing is it seems to me that many people have little understanding what socialism and for that matter communism is.

In general, a group of quasi-religious beliefs centered around a theological framework of radical materialism, nurtured by various streams of eschatology already at work in the West.

62 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:11:21pm

Few answers
Hoffman unfamiliar with district issues
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2009

Douglas L. Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate for the 23rd Congressional District, showed no grasp of the bread-and-butter issues pertinent to district residents in a Thursday morning meeting with the Watertown Daily Times editorial board.

In a nearly hour-long session, Mr. Hoffman was unable to articulate clear positions on a number of matters specific to Northern New Yorkers rather than the national level campaign being waged in a three-way race for the vacant seat of now-Army Secretary John McHugh.

(snip)

A flustered and ill-at-ease Mr. Hoffman objected to the heated questioning, saying he should have been provided a list of questions he might be asked. He was, if he had taken the time to read the Thursday morning Times editorial raising the very same questions.

Coming to Mr. Hoffman's defense, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, who accompanied the candidate on a campaign swing, dismissed regional concerns as "parochial" issues that would not determine the outcome of the election. On the contrary, it is just such parochial issues that we expect our representative to understand and be knowledgeable about, if he wants to be our voice in Washington

63 zzzzzzzzzz.....  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:11:30pm

But she was for card check...That is what I think the base objected to to the most

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:12:28pm

re: #63 zzz...

But she was for card check...That is what I think the base objected to to the most

Do you have a link for that? I was unable to verify it.

65 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:13:00pm

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

OT:
Texas Officially Makes The Universe Ageless

Well, I suppose it's better than the alternative. Great - we celebrate now when the idiocy fills the cup but doesn't spill over onto the table.

66 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:13:13pm

re: #32 funky chicken

LOLZ. Hey, I feel kinda sexy being a radical leftist. Perhaps I need to go buy myself a cute beret and some clove cigarrettes.

Remember P.J. O'Rourke's dictum: No woman ever fantasized about being tied to the bed and ravaged by someone dressed as a liberal.

67 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #20 metrolibertarian

What's particularly disgusting is this woman essentially did what Malkin and her Malkin's idiot supporters wanted, and they're still shitting all over Scozzafava.

Of course. Because Malkin is a raving lunatic fucktard who only knows how to do one thing: shriek.

Although it would be nice to see a Republican hold this position, the precedent it sets is not going to have a good effect on the GOP going forward. As expected, Malkin and others are using this as an excuse to bang the bars on the monkey cages even harder, whipping their rabid readership into a spittle-spraying frenzy.

68 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:13:57pm

re: #8 borgcube

I must live in a hole. I don't think I know anyone who is one of these Republican purists whose vote is based primarily on these two issues. But, apparently they're everywhere.

I like Michelle Malkin, but this is nuts.

Agreed. I'm a right-winger, who doesn't want the government to force a woman to have a child she doesn't want and I don't care about gay marriage. But I'm a conservative who is for limited government, a robust private sector and a strong defense. I'll side with a party with whom I agree 80% of the time over the party with whom I rarely agree.

69 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:16:15pm

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

OT:
Texas Officially Makes The Universe Ageless

I wouldn't call this off-topic at all. This is the vision the religious right holds for the entire nation, and the race in the 23rd district is shaping up to be a lightning rod for their consolidation of theocratic power.

70 jvic  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:17:06pm

re: #20 metrolibertarian

What's particularly disgusting is this woman essentially did what Malkin and her Malkin's idiot supporters wanted, and they're still shitting all over Scozzafava.

Malkin makes money by keeping her supporters angry and irrational.

re: #10 Sharmuta

She and others in the kookosphere are every bit as bad as the moonbats calling anyone to the right of Joe Lieberman a fascist. It's just as incorrect as when the left was doing it, and only continues to erode the political discourse in this country.

I question the patriotism of people who make money by knowingly damaging the country.

re: #21 Gus 802

Let's see. Malkin's calling her a radical leftist. Pat Dollard is calling her a communist. I wonder what the combined IQ is of these two. Perhaps somewhere around 190. I was feeling generous.

Afaik Malkin built a profitable little media conglomerate from scratch. Calling her stupid may be too kind.

71 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:18:05pm

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

OT:
Texas Officially Makes The Universe Ageless

Would this mean that they're endorsing Aristotelianism? Just askin'

72 ulmsey123  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:18:39pm

re: #41 Guanxi88

Wasn't Samuel Adams a radical?
I think those who lean conservative are just speaking with a loud voice right now seeing that things have leaned far to the left of center lately.
Personally, the size and scope of the Federal government is out of control (or in TOO MUCH control).
Politics makes strange bedfellows. There are many ideologies out there. Sometimes they gather for a common cause because it is an obvious one.
Who are at these Tea Parties? Some would want you to think that they are a bunch of far right nut jobs carrying Bibles and guns and declaring Obama some sort of evil plant by the former KGB. The reality is that there are indeed folk who are trying to forward their own agendas through the Tea Parties. But by and large, the attendees are locals who are angry at the system which is broken. (its simplistic to get a few sensationalistic photos and yell "Look at these!")

Is it possible that the "people" are seeing a two party system that does not work and are supporting a conservative? Sure, people will try to feed off this, take some sort of credit for this, try to explain why its happening and attach it to something else that smells of conspiracy or an evil trend.

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

The quote for today. And hopefully the new standard for a people who need to hold their leaders feet to the fire.

I don't need no stinkin' ideology to know what I believe.

73 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:18:48pm

re: #66 Gang of One

Remember P.J. O'Rourke's dictum: No woman ever fantasized about being tied to the bed and ravaged by someone dressed as a liberal.

re: #66 Gang of One

Remember P.J. O'Rourke's dictum: No woman ever fantasized about being tied to the bed and ravaged by someone dressed as a liberal.

Er, I'm a female.

And sane women (in my experience anyway) don't tend to have rape fantasies.

74 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:19:40pm

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

OT:
Texas Officially Makes The Universe Ageless

The goal here was to make science more tentative and vague so that teachers have room to tell students, 'This is only one explanation and the scientists are not even sure about it themselves' – which is, of course, utter nonsense.

Not good news. What happens with textbooks in Texas affects other places in the country as well, as other states will end up using the same version of the text.

75 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:20:12pm

re: #63 zzz...

But she was for card check...That is what I think the base objected to to the most

She allegedly back peddled. The previous Representative, McHugh (R) actually was a supporter of card check according to this article in the Watertown Daily Times:

Hoffman avoiding unions
LABOR ISSUES: Candidate shuns McHugh supporters

WASHINGTON — Douglas L. Hoffman, the surging Conservative candidate aiming to replace Rep. John M. McHugh in Congress, has said he is the only contestant to carry on the former congressman's conservative legacy.

But to organized labor — one of Mr. McHugh's greatest allies throughout his political career — Mr. Hoffman is running away from the man whose coattails he wants to ride.

Unlike Mr. McHugh, who cosponsored the "card-check" system known as the Employee Free Choice Act and defied the Bush administration on a pay-for-performance system at the Defense Department, Mr. Hoffman has aligned himself with some of organized labor's strongest critics and embraced one group's denunciation of his Republican opponent, Dierdre K. Scozzafava, as a "big-labor backing, tax and spend radical."

If Mr. Hoffman wins on Tuesday, he will have turned on its head a common wisdom about north country politics: that labor union support is valuable, perhaps even critical, to victory. He also will test the theory that money from labor unions — which may have kept Mr. McHugh in Congress since 1993 — is critical to staying in office. Organized labor was Mr. McHugh's biggest source of campaign money.

(snip)

76 webevintage  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:21:34pm

re: #14 philosophus invidius

nytimes: "Ms. Scozzafava was concerned that she would be blamed as a spoiler if she stayed in the race and Mr. Owens won."

MM: "Finally: The spoiler exits the race."

That's gratitude for ya.

Except didn't Scozzafava enter the race before Hoffman so if Owens had won Hoffman would have been the spoiler.
Of course like I have said before, Malkin's reality is not the reality that most of us live in.

77 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:22:28pm

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

OT:
Texas Officially Makes The Universe Ageless

More idiocy.

78 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:23:53pm

re: #73 funky chicken

Er, I'm a female.

That's nice.

And sane women (in my experience anyway) don't tend to have rape fantasies.

Who said anything about rape?

//don't lose your sense of humor, Funky.

79 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:23:54pm
dangerous Neocon pro-war left-globalist secular revolutionary manipulator

Funny, there was a time when I think the only ones prone to using this type of sentence long descriptions for those they didn't like were communists, Maoists, and other crazies of the left.

What goes around comes around I guess.

80 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:24:44pm

re: #72 ulmsey123

Wasn't Samuel Adams a radical?
I think those who lean conservative are just speaking with a loud voice right now seeing that things have leaned far to the left of center lately.
...
Politics makes strange bedfellows. There are many ideologies out there. Sometimes they gather for a common cause because it is an obvious one.
Who are at these Tea Parties?

The reality is that there are indeed folk who are trying to forward their own agendas through the Tea Parties. But by and large, the attendees are locals who are angry at the system which is broken. (its simplistic to get a few sensationalistic photos and yell "Look at these!")

Is it possible that the "people" are seeing a two party system that does not work and are supporting a conservative? Sure, people will try to feed off this, take some sort of credit for this, try to explain why its happening and attach it to something else that smells of conspiracy or an evil trend.

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

The quote for today. And hopefully the new standard for a people who need to hold their leaders feet to the fire.

I don't need no stinkin' ideology to know what I believe.

Exactly my point. The conservative base of the Republican party is now radicalized. I offer it only as an observation of the current state of affairs. What it means for the Republican party is unclear at this point, as their base have shown, at least in NY-23, a willingness to back a thrid-party candidate whose beliefs appear to match their own.

Similarly, the Tea Party phenomenon is largely understood by its participants as a populist movement. That there are those seeking to co-opt it for their own purposes does not erase the underlying sentiment at work among those who are in attendance.

The real question is what effect this radicalization of the conservative base will have on national politics as a whole. Recall that the Democratic party had a hard time dealing with its most fervent elements, but eventually managed to co-opt and reincorporate them within their party as a whole. This dampened somewhat the radicalism of their own base, while simultaneously shifting their party more to the left than it had been before.

If the Republican party should follow suit, we'll have both parties slightly more radicalized than previously. Again, it's not clear what this will mean, but it might well mean that the Republican Party will be seeing its own versions of Lieberman in the near future.

81 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:25:55pm

Hey now...here's a nice red-loving group I could happily join.

[Link: www.redstarbrewery.com...]

I don't like their hat, but how can you go wrong with this:
[Link: www.redstarbrewery.com...]

82 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:28:25pm

re: #51 Guanxi88

I've always wondered whether the t-shirts would have ever beenmade had Che been wearing a pith helmet, a pork pie hat, or one of those Panama hats.

Did someone say Pork Pie Hat?

[Link: video.google.com...]

83 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:29:17pm

re: #77 Gus 802

More idiocy.

I never cease to be amazed. What the hell is the problem with all the Texans with brains, (I know there are many) putting up with this Taliban inspired mindset?

84 allegro  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:31:15pm

re: #83 Naso Tang

What the hell is the problem with all the Texans with brains, (I know there are many) putting up with this Taliban inspired mindset?

Here we are. Texas Freedom Network.

85 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:31:35pm

re: #72 ulmsey123

. . .
Who are at these Tea Parties? Some would want you to think that they are a bunch of far right nut jobs carrying Bibles and guns and declaring Obama some sort of evil plant by the former KGB. The reality is that there are indeed folk who are trying to forward their own agendas through the Tea Parties. But by and large, the attendees are locals who are angry at the system which is broken. (its simplistic to get a few sensationalistic photos and yell "Look at these!") . . .

The problem I have with the Tea Parties isn't the local people who are attending.

It's the fact that the tea parties are being run by some really radical right-wingers, and they use those numbers, those unsuspecting locals who attend these things, as "proof" that their radical right-wing agenda has more support than it does.

86 webevintage  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:32:55pm

Theocrats have always worried me more then commies.
Mostly because there seem to be so real few commies around and because it is easy to sway people to idiocy when you put God and Salvation into the mix.

87 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:33:10pm

re: #83 Naso Tang

I never cease to be amazed. What the hell is the problem with all the Texans with brains, (I know there are many) putting up with this Taliban inspired mindset?

Geez. Embarrassing. The problem is that the School Board is elected by District, not state wide.

88 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:33:36pm

re: #84 allegro

Here we are. Texas Freedom Network.

Good groupa folk, them. Doin' what they can, where they can. Big problem is East Texas and Far West Texas, where these aberrant belief systems have the greatest force.

89 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:33:48pm

re: #84 allegro

Here we are. Texas Freedom Network.

Good for you. Don't play nice.

90 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:34:12pm

re: #83 Naso Tang

I never cease to be amazed. What the hell is the problem with all the Texans with brains, (I know there are many) putting up with this Taliban inspired mindset?

You imply that most devout Christians in Texas are JUST like the Taliban. I question that.

91 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:34:20pm

re: #83 Naso Tang

I never cease to be amazed. What the hell is the problem with all the Texans with brains, (I know there are many) putting up with this Taliban inspired mindset?

Texas vote leaves loopholes for teaching creationism

Anti-evolutionist Don McLeroy, a dentist and chair of the Texas State Board of Education, testified at Friday's hearing: "I disagree with these experts. Someone has got to stand up to experts."

"Someone has got to stand up to experts" has some rotating title potential.

92 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:34:32pm

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

OT:
Texas Officially Makes The Universe Ageless

Have you sent this to Charles?

93 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:36:31pm

re: #90 cliffster

You imply that most devout Christians in Texas are JUST like the Taliban. I question that.

I don't see any such implication in Naso Tang's post. He is completely correct, however, in labeling this action as a theocratic one by a group whose goals are precisely identical to those of the Taliban, with the minor exception of the particular brand of fundamentalist religion being rammed down the throats of the populace.

94 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:37:01pm

re: #86 webevintage

Theocrats have always worried me more then commies.
Mostly because there seem to be so real few commies around and because it is easy to sway people to idiocy when you put God and Salvation into the mix.

Ahh, but there's a weakness in theocratic ideologies that Communism doesn't have/. Theocratic systems and ideologies inevitably fail to make common cause with each other, as they always end up falling out over points of doctrine. This explains why most american theocratic ideologies are variations on dissenting sects of protestantism, or the occasional attempt to revive one of the older totalizing heresies.

Communists, by contrast, have a clear and practical program, and recognize that genuine communism is defined by whatever form it happens to assume in a given time or place.

95 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:37:29pm

Purgatives make you barf or have the runs, do they not?

96 jvic  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:37:42pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Few answers
Hoffman unfamiliar with district issues
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2009

You have a point.

Otoh, John Murtha and Ted Stevens would hit home runs in an interview like that.

97 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:38:16pm

This is interesting. Doug Hoffman is being characterized as this successful businessman with an interest in politics yet he has no record of political contributions with the Federal Election Commision. Combine this with his lack of knowledge of local issues and I would say that the 23rd might get one of the most ineffective congressman in their history.

98 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:39:03pm

re: #93 SixDegrees

I don't see any such implication in Naso Tang's post. He is completely correct, however, in labeling this action as a theocratic one by a group whose goals are precisely identical to those of the Taliban, with the minor exception of the particular brand of fundamentalist religion being rammed down the throats of the populace.

You make statements like that on a post talking about crazy talk from radicals. That seems a touch ironic.

99 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:39:24pm

It is time to view the GOP as a third party.

100 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:40:26pm

re: #87 austin_blue

Geez. Embarrassing. The problem is that the School Board is elected by District, not state wide.

Texas isn't alone by any means. Nearby there is a creationist, YEC no less, running for mayor of St. Petersburg, FL and he looks likely to win if only because the other person is a woman with balls to speak her mind.

But hell, what does a tourist/retirement city, trying to not be seen as a retirement/tourist city, care if its mayor rejects realities based on personal principles? He must be really principled, right?//

101 funky chicken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:40:45pm

Ah well. Off to have myself a radical leftist day. I'm making a big chicken pot pie for the family and handing out lots of candy to neighborhood kiddies tonight.

I always thought being a radical would be more exciting.

/ :-)

102 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:40:58pm

re: #96 jvic

You have a point.

Otoh, John Murtha and Ted Stevens would hit home runs in an interview like that.

Maybe they should ask Hoffman if he has any favorite magazines that he reads.

103 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:42:09pm

Blatant Ojoebot posts that cool WHig video again.

Apologies if you've seen it already.

The GOP will be the third party IMHO.

"Stay Centered"

104 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #102 Gus 802

Maybe they should ask Hoffman if he has any favorite magazines that he reads.

Ouch...

105 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:43:01pm

re: #83 Naso Tang

I never cease to be amazed. What the hell is the problem with all the Texans with brains, (I know there are many) putting up with this Taliban inspired mindset?

Look, you are extremely passionate about this issue. Most people are not. It doesn't make them stupid, they just have different things they care about. To the average person, it's an easy sell - "why should we beat up on Christianity by not allowing it in schools?" You could sit down with one of these Texans with brains (who get routinely mocked and insulted here) and talk to them for 20 minutes, and they would say, "yeah, I reckon you're right". But, like I said, they have other things they are fervent about.

106 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:43:08pm

re: #104 talon_262

Ouch...

=)

"Mr. Hoffman, do you have any hobbies?"

/

107 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:43:37pm

re: #101 funky chicken

Ah well. Off to have myself a radical leftist day. I'm making a big chicken pot pie for the family and handing out lots of candy to neighborhood kiddies tonight.

I always thought being a radical would be more exciting.

/ :-)

Yeah, when I joined the zionist movement, I didn't envision the sorta life I lead now:

-Dating supermodels
-Wearying, day-long money counts
- Power, unlimited power
//

108 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:44:53pm

re: #80 Guanxi88

Interesting thoughts. I'm become concerned with even the moderate conservative concept of "financial responsibility". We see the term thrown around a lot usually under the guise of smaller government and lower taxes however I'm starting to notice that often they aren't being realistic. Opposing TARP and stimulus isn't fiscally responsible at all. FAIR Tax is radical and destructive as are most of Ron Paul's ideas which are gaining traction even among moderate conservatives. It's much more fiscal populism that responsible and realistic policies.

109 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:45:53pm

re: #90 cliffster

You imply that most devout Christians in Texas are JUST like the Taliban. I question that.

I didn't say that. There are obvious differences, but with regard to their ability to conceive realities that conflict with dogma, they are equally primitive.

110 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:46:08pm

re: #92 MandyManners

Well, since space and time are inextricably connected, it is actually an incomplete question to ask how old the universe is, but I don't think the textbooks will delve that deeply.

111 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:46:49pm

re: #109 Naso Tang

I didn't say that. There are obvious differences, but with regard to their ability to conceive realities that conflict with dogma, they are equally primitive.

You were more specific there, and I applaud that. Before, it was simply, "Taliban inspired".

112 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:48:32pm

re: #97 Gus 802

This is interesting. Doug Hoffman is being characterized as this successful businessman with an interest in politics yet he has no record of political contributions with the Federal Election Commision. Combine this with his lack of knowledge of local issues and I would say that the 23rd might get one of the most ineffective congressman in their history.

I don't know, how many of those who would have voted for Scozzofava will now vote for Hoffman? Isn't it entirely possible that many will vote for Owens now instead of someone "too hard right" for their tastes? I'm wondering if Scozzofava bowing out didn't just help hand Owens the election.

113 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:49:29pm

re: #107 Guanxi88

Yeah, when I joined the zionist movement, I didn't envision the sorta life I lead now:

-Dating supermodels
-Wearying, day-long money counts
- Power, unlimited power
//

Unfortunately for you, the money you've been counting all day, every day is all pennies...

;-P

114 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:50:16pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Interesting thoughts. I'm become concerned with even the moderate conservative concept of "financial responsibility". We see the term thrown around a lot usually under the guise of smaller government and lower taxes however I'm starting to notice that often they aren't being realistic. Opposing TARP and stimulus isn't fiscally responsible at all. FAIR Tax is radical and destructive as are most of Ron Paul's ideas which are gaining traction even among moderate conservatives. It's much more fiscal populism that responsible and realistic policies.

Yeah, anytime anyone comes to me with taxing authority and a wish-list while talking about fiscal responsibility, I know I'm gonna get screwed.

Fiscal populism - Fair Tax and such, Ronulan banking theories, and all that goes with these ideas - are useful, perhaps, in a limited way as means of criticizing existing practices, or proposing alternate channels of exploration, but they're disastrous.

I've got this nightmare vision of a test-run of a commodity-backed dollar crashing and burning the world economy by virtue of hyper-deflation, on the one hand, and long-term contractual agreements for payment in higher denomination, slamming into each other.

Cripes! Could you imagine what would happen were even a quarter of these guys' platform to be acted on? I'd pull evey cent of my investments the hell out of this country double-quick and park them in, for example, Republic of China, where at least I know they won't pull any weirdness with their currency, economy, or banking.

115 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:50:38pm

re: #112 ausador

I don't know, how many of those who would have voted for Scozzofava will now vote for Hoffman? Isn't it entirely possible that many will vote for Owens now instead of someone "too hard right" for their tastes? I'm wondering if Scozzofava bowing out didn't just help hand Owens the election.

I think that scenario is much more likely than Hoffman taking the seat...from your lips to G-d's ear.

116 allegro  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:50:55pm

re: #105 cliffster

Look, you are extremely passionate about this issue. Most people are not. It doesn't make them stupid...

Actually, it does, when "stupid" is defined as "ignorant by choice". The most basic biology, even before high school biology presents the FACT of evolution and is the basis for everything else that follows. Kinda like the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, another one of those disagreeable facts to many fundamentalists.

To the average person, it's an easy sell - "why should we beat up on Christianity by not allowing it in schools?"

Teaching science as science is beating up on Christians?

You could sit down with one of these Texans with brains (who get routinely mocked and insulted here) and talk to them for 20 minutes, and they would say, "yeah, I reckon you're right".

Stereotype much? I reckon (never hearing Texans use this term unless mocking themselves).

117 jdog29  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:51:05pm

re: #112 ausador

I don't know, how many of those who would have voted for Scozzofava will now vote for Hoffman? Isn't it entirely possible that many will vote for Owens now instead of someone "too hard right" for their tastes? I'm wondering if Scozzofava bowing out didn't just help hand Owens the election.

We are about to find out. Now those who were asking the Hoffman supporters if they'd rather see Owen win than Scozzafava must now turn the question on Scozzafava supporters...

118 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #113 talon_262

Unfortunately for you, the money you've been counting all day, every day is all pennies...

;-P

Pennies? when i'm lucky it's pennies. I was glad when the Euro kicked in, and I didn't have to spend my days counting lira.

119 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #105 cliffster

Do I detect passion in your response?

We have them here too. Texas is just a bigger target with more influence to affect others. You have been around a while, so I don't know why you choose to promote this defense. It doesn't take a lot of distraction from "other" priorities to vote out fundamentalist ignorants from school boards.

I agree that not everyone who doesn't pay attention to this is stupid, but laziness and ignorance come to mind.

120 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:52:34pm

re: #112 ausador

I don't know, how many of those who would have voted for Scozzofava will now vote for Hoffman? Isn't it entirely possible that many will vote for Owens now instead of someone "too hard right" for their tastes? I'm wondering if Scozzofava bowing out didn't just help hand Owens the election.

Hard to say since it looks like McHugh was getting many union voters. Off the cuff I would guess that most of the Scozzofava voters will vote for Hoffman. It has been a Republican district for many years now. Hoffman seems to be quite the so-con but I'm not sure if I would characterize him as being hard-right but this is based on my limited knowledge of him. The underlying and most pressing problem with this whole election has been the hijacking and co-opting of the process by outsiders such as Sarah Palin, Dick Armey and others. While Hoffman may not be hard-right he may in the end just be a puppet for the Tea Party movement.

121 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:53:27pm

re: #118 Guanxi88

Pennies? when i'm lucky it's pennies. I was glad when the Euro kicked in, and I didn't have to spend my days counting lira.

I'll bet you'd hate to be counting yen...

122 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:54:22pm

re: #111 cliffster

You were more specific there, and I applaud that. Before, it was simply, "Taliban inspired".

I suppose I was meaning to be harsh. I have little sympathy for those who want to impose their ignorance on others. The fact that one uses even worse methods than the other doesn't change the fact that the objectives are the same.

123 jdog29  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:54:47pm

re: #121 talon_262

I'll bet you'd hate to be counting yen...

... or yuan.

124 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:56:05pm

re: #121 talon_262

I'll bet you'd hate to be counting yen...

Counting fen ain't much fun, either, but it beats counting Somaliland shillings.

125 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:57:15pm

Hey, that "ageless universe" story is from April.

126 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:58:09pm

re: #119 Naso Tang

Do I detect passion in your response?

Actually, no. :^)

It doesn't take a lot of distraction from "other" priorities to vote out fundamentalist ignorants from school boards.

They don't get on LGF and see articles about this like you do. It never crosses most people's minds to wonder about it. They don't care, not because they've thought about it and decided they don't care, but because it's just not on the agenda.

127 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:58:34pm

re: #123 jdog29

... or yuan.

Yuan ain't too bad. It's the freaking jiao and fen that suck ass. 5 jiao = 0.5 Yuan renminbi, and 1 fen = 0.01 Yuan Renminbi. 1 yuan renminbi = 1 Chinese yuan = 0.14649 U.S. dollars, so you can see that it's the fen and the jiao coins that are the worst (and would youbelieve, they issue notes in these denominations, too?)

128 nnobull  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:59:17pm

I am afraid that you, Charles Johnson, have changed in a very unfaltering way. It seems that lately you are using democrat tactics to attack folks that you disagree with. Specifically, you are telling only half the story and are demonizing the half that you tell. For example, the abortion issue is very complicated, yet you don't say where you stand. Are you for late term abortions where the baby's body is removed from the womb (not quite born) and then the baby is murdered? Do you think that taxpayers should have paid for the 40 million abortions over the last ten years and more than 40 million abortions in the next ten years?
Do you think that there is a difference in the relationship between a man and a woman raising their biological children and two men living together? I think that the former is characterized as marriage and the latter convenience and there should be a designated difference.
Do you think that card check is a good thing. That unions have the right infringe on your right to privacy?
Do you think that cap and trade is a good thing for the country especially if the third world nations don't go along?
Do your really know if global warming is bad and that it is caused by humans to the extent that we can change the trend? Do you trust the data that is generated by scientist with the pressure from their piers--follow the money. Do you believe the famous hockey stick prediction, based on tree ring data that was cherry picked (10 samples out of 100 available) to produce the result?
If you said yes to all of these questions, then you are a flaming liberal just as Scozzafava is and you should be a democrat.

129 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:00:00pm

Flounce!

130 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:00:20pm

re: #128 nnobull

Flounce!

And b-bye!

131 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:00:27pm

re: #128 nnobull

Yay! You got your big moment! How did it feel?

132 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:00:33pm

re: #127 Guanxi88

Yuan ain't too bad. It's the freaking jiao and fen that suck ass. 5 jiao = 0.5 Yuan renminbi, and 1 fen = 0.01 Yuan Renminbi. 1 yuan renminbi = 1 Chinese yuan = 0.14649 U.S. dollars, so you can see that it's the fen and the jiao coins that are the worst (and would youbelieve, they issue notes in these denominations, too?)

For those keeping track at home, 1 fen = 0.0014 USD, or about 14/100ths of a cent

133 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:01:24pm

re: #128 nnobull

Two posts in a year. Another smelly old sock, come to flounce.

134 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:02:19pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Flounce!

and a pretty dadgummed boring one, at that.

135 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:03:20pm

re: #128 nnobull

How about you piss off?

136 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:03:48pm

re: #134 reine.de.tout

and a pretty dadgummed boring one, at that.

Yeah, while putting words into Charles mouth. He should have called himself allbull instead of nnobull.

137 jdog29  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:03:50pm

One litmus tester will say, "Just because Scozzofava isn't against homosexual marriage and is pro-choice, that's no reason to vote against her."

The same litmus tester will say, "Since Hoffman is against homosexual marriage and is pro-life, I'm not going to vote for him."

granted Scozzofava was for the stimulus package and the cap and trade tax, but had supposedly changed her mind about cap and trade. I understand Hoffman opposed the stimulus package and is against cap and trade while Owens is pro-choice, pro homosexual marriage, pro public option, and pro cap and trade.

are the social con issues REALLY as irrelevant as some claim them to be IN THEIR OWN minds or would they prefer Scozzofava over Owens BECAUSE of their financial issue differences and Scozzofava over Hoffman BECAUSE of their social issue differences?

138 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:04:22pm

re: #128 nnobull

Dull, dull, dull. You might have just as easily not logged in today, and would in fact have conveyed your point better.

139 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:04:38pm

re: #116 allegro

Teaching science as science is beating up on Christians?

No. But like I said, it's easy to make that sell to people who don't have this as their hot-button like you do. I'm not arguing that it's right, I'm just saying that in your world, this is a huge deal. In most people's world, it's not. You can change that in your own little way by talking about it with people, and doing so in a non-insulting way would be even better.

Stereotype much? I reckon (never hearing Texans use this term unless mocking themselves).

Nothing wrong with reckoning. I reckon all the time. I have a Russian co-worker living in Chicago who makes fun of me all the time.

140 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:05:15pm

re: #117 jdog29

We are about to find out. Now those who were asking the Hoffman supporters if they'd rather see Owen win than Scozzafava must now turn the question on Scozzafava supporters...

It seems the Hoffman supporters don't care if he wins or loses, what is important is the Message they believe was sent.

Now? We should be magnanimous in victory — and whether Hoffman wins or loses, as long as Dede Scozzafava loses it is a victory — but we should demand accountability, we should demand a reckoning, and we should demand a purge from the party establishment of those people most responsible for the Republican disaster in NY-23.-Erick Erickson

141 lastlaugh  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:05:21pm

re: #128 nnobull

What a boring flounce.

142 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:06:13pm

re: #128 nnobull

Good luck winning elections without moderates. You pretty much have a radical wight wing party all to yourself. Have fun.

143 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:06:53pm

re: #126 cliffster

They don't get on LGF and see articles about this like you do. It never crosses most people's minds to wonder about it. They don't care, not because they've thought about it and decided they don't care, but because it's just not on the agenda.

If this type of thing is not pretty prominently discussed in local news media, or most people pay no attention to the media, then there is a bigger problem than the religious ignorance of the fundamentalists and that is the secular ignorance of the population.

However since various polls of Americans say that something close to 50% either don't understand evolution, or believe in creationism (beating out only Turkey in the degree of evolutionary ignorance amongst "developed" nations), it isn't hard to understand why we have a problem.

144 suchislife  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:07:12pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I like the typo.

145 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:07:22pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Good luck winning elections without moderates. You pretty much have a radical wight wing party all to yourself. Have fun.

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146 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:07:31pm

re: #128 nnobull


I can't speak for Charles but, yeah, I myself am definitely a lefty now. For forty years, I was a Goldwater Conservative. I even ran for public office as such and won.
A few weeks ago, some RINO-hunting tea-partiers decided that I was a liberal infiltrator, then an open liberal. This week, I am a friggin' Bolshevik. This amazing metamorphosis has been accomplished without any change in my philosophy and very little in my position on issues.

147 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:08:22pm

"GOP" is starting to mean "God's Own Party."

148 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:09:51pm

re: #128 nnobull


Was "unfaltering" some kind of Freudian slip? LOL

149 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:12:55pm

re: #118 Guanxi88

But Lira were sooo cool! You could have bills that had the number 100,000 on them. I do recall. And the inflation was something! 100 lira for a cappucino, then 150, then 200 Lira ! for coffee !

I love Italy.

150 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:13:06pm

Richard Viguerie: Tea Party Activists Are the New GOP

MANASSAS, Va., Oct. 31 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is a statement by Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, concerning the withdrawal of GOP candidate Dede Scozzafava from the special election in New York's 23rd congressional district:

"In her statement announcing suspension of her campaign in the special
election for New York's 23rd congressional district, Assemblywoman and liberal GOP nominee Dede Scozzafava refused to throw her support behind a fellow Republican, Doug Hoffman, who is running on the Conservative Party ticket in this particular race.

"That was one more example of the 'closed tent' mentality of big-government, establishment Republicans who have worked long and hard to keep conservatives out of power at the national, state, and local levels.

"The GOP leadership's backing of Ms. Scozzafava was a slap in the face to Tea Party activists, town hall protesters, and conservatives across the country. The Washington GOP establishment's abandonment of fiscal responsibility led directly to the election of Barack Obama as President and Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. The American people see the GOP leadership and establishment every bit as much a part of the problem as the Democrats.

"Doug Hoffman and NY-23 is an earthquake in American politics, and is the
first of many challenges to establishment Republicans that we will see for the 2010 elections and beyond. The stupid decision by Republican leaders to pour $900,000 into the NY-23rd race against a conservative has unleashed a fury that will lead to new GOP leadership.

"Conservatives anger at Washington-establishment Republicans will cost the national committees tens of millions of dollars as conservative money will start flowing directly to the Tea Parties and their candidates."

Good luck with that.

151 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:14:00pm

re: #125 Gus 802

Hey, that "ageless universe" story is from April.

Oh, my. And the article I linked was from March. Good eye.

152 teh flowah  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:14:35pm

re: #128 nnobull

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhahahaha.

Gay marriage opponent: Check
Using late term abortions as an argument for abortions in general: Check
Cap and trade distraction: Check
Layman who knows better than scientists: Check
Obvious hatred for "flaming liberals": check


You're 5/5 my man, keep going. Just bust out the "fact" that the earth is only 6000 years old and that the science is still out on Evolution and you'll have a perfect score.

153 Gus  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:15:04pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

Oh, my. And the article I linked was from March. Good eye.

I was doing more research on it and since McLeroy has already been ousted. I then realized the date.

154 teh flowah  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:16:01pm

Awww, was that comment really deleted? That seems a bit overboard on the censoring.

155 splat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:17:45pm

It is time for the moderate Repubs to restart the Bull Moose party ? I find it sad when being a 'true' Conservative means having to be almost troofah crazy.

156 nnobull  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:19:43pm

Ojoe, you sly dog! You tacitly assumed that the dogma of the Taliban and a Texas christian are the same. Since they are not, your comparison of their ability to see past their dogma is meaningless.

157 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:21:24pm

re: #156 nnobull

What? You're still here?

158 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:22:27pm

re: #154 teh flowah

Awww, was that comment really deleted? That seems a bit overboard on the censoring.

It was a sock puppet flounce, 2 posts in 20 months? Whoever posted it knew it would be removed, those kind of pointless attack comments always are.

159 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:22:33pm

re: #156 nnobull

Ojoe, you sly dog! You tacitly assumed that the dogma of the Taliban and a Texas christian are the same. Since they are not, your comparison of their ability to see past their dogma is meaningless.

No, it shows a similar ideologically-induced blindness in both groups. That you cannot see this suggests a similar mote or beam in your eye.

160 allegro  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:22:46pm

re: #139 cliffster

Teaching science as science is beating up on Christians?

No. But like I said, it's easy to make that sell to people who don't have this as their hot-button like you do. I'm not arguing that it's right, I'm just saying that in your world, this is a huge deal. In most people's world, it's not. You can change that in your own little way by talking about it with people, and doing so in a non-insulting way would be even better.

In most people's world, it is indeed a huge issue. Think disease, antibiotics, etc. This isn't some little isolated theoretical mental masterbation for elite academics with little meaning for the daily lives of everyone.

I have tried to gently educate anti-evolutionists by being non-confrontational. Every single time, the response I get can be summed up in LALALALALALALAAA! I'm not listening!!! LALALALALA!!!

Sorry, can't respect that.

161 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:23:42pm

re: #156 nnobull

Ojoe, you sly dog! You tacitly assumed that the dogma of the Taliban and a Texas christian are the same. Since they are not, your comparison of their ability to see past their dogma is meaningless.

Shouldn't you be out burning climate scientists in effigy or something?

162 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:24:25pm

re: #160 allegro

In most people's world, it is indeed a huge issue. Think disease, antibiotics, etc. This isn't some little isolated theoretical mental masterbation for elite academics with little meaning for the daily lives of everyone.

I have tried to gently educate anti-evolutionists by being non-confrontational. Every single time, the response I get can be summed up in LALALALALALALAAA! I'm not listening!!! LALALALALA!!!

Sorry, can't respect that.

Part of the problem is that you are starting from different premises than your opponent. If there's no commonality of first principles, then all debate quickly turns into shouting and various other methods for asserting the will to power.

163 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:24:52pm

Hi lizards,
I wonder if someone could explain to me what's going on in the NY 23rd race.

How did Scozzafava and Hoffman, become candidates? Hoffman's website is short on policy and his radio interview with Mark Levin - thank you lizard for posting it - says nothing either although he did use the word tea-party quite a bit (which I take it to be code for his positions but an analysis it does not make).

Scozzafava's positions strike me - from the little I have read - as being an anomaly to the Republican fare. And talk of her husband as being a union official (Auto workers, if I got that right) some sort of relationship with a person who works with ACORN and also friendship with the dailykos founder adds to my curiosity.

In some respects this contest has the feel of a contest years ago in which voters nominated a candidate named Hart just because the name sounded heartfelt. It was only after the election that people realized that the candidate was a Larouchie.

Would someone be kind enough to put the story together and explain it to me?

164 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:24:58pm

re: #156 nnobull

Ojoe, you sly dog! You tacitly assumed that the dogma of the Taliban and a Texas christian are the same. Since they are not, your comparison of their ability to see past their dogma is meaningless.

re: #161 austin_blue

Shouldn't you be out burning climate scientists in effigy or something?

Maybe he or she has a blackberry? Could be doing both.

165 nnobull  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:25:26pm

re: #133 Guanxi88

Yet another mindless comment from a stinking leather merchant.

166 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:25:47pm

re: #157 cliffster

What? You're still here?

Surprising ain't it? Charles must be in a good mood today.

167 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:25:59pm

re: #165 nnobull

Yet another mindless comment from a stinking leather merchant.

Hey, I sell jade, too.

168 suchislife  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:26:20pm

re: #160 allegro

Also, they don't just happen to be ignorant about this issue. They are misinformed because they decided to trust certain people and institutions and news sources, and to (in my view almost pathologically) distrust others. Chances are, they made this choice because they agreed with other things these people promote, and experience tells me that I don't like these things.

169 nnobull  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:26:26pm

re: #157 cliffster

Yes twerp!

170 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:26:52pm

The problem with the GOP activists is they think they've failed in the last two elections because they think they haven't been conservative enough. Being cultural warriors isn't going to bring any young people in the GOP.

171 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:27:04pm

re: #169 nnobull

You going to call Goldwater a radical leftist too because he was pro-choice?

172 jdog29  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:27:17pm

re: #165 nnobull

Yet another mindless comment from a stinking leather merchant.

What's wrong with selling leather, or is that slang for a slur I'm happy I'm not up on.

173 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:28:24pm

re: #160 allegro

I appreciate you sharing your experience. Mine isn't the same, but it's a big world.

174 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:28:45pm

re: #172 jdog29

What's wrong with selling leather, or is that slang for a slur I'm happy I'm not up on.

Leave him be. Leather is one of my stocks in trade, and,for the record, I'm not half as noxious to the nose as he might have you believe.

175 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:30:14pm

re: #172 jdog29

What's wrong with selling leather, or is that slang for a slur I'm happy I'm not up on.

Untouchables in many cultures. Japan, India.

176 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:30:32pm

re: #169 nnobull

Yes twerp!

Well it's about time you got something right. Yes, I'm a twerp. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes though...

177 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:30:38pm

looks like nnobull got blocked. Too bad.

Frankly, I think it's healthiest for people to vent and get this stuff outta their systems.

178 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:31:58pm

re: #177 Guanxi88

looks like nnobull got blocked. Too bad.

Frankly, I think it's healthiest for people to vent and get this stuff outta their systems.

They can't if it *is* their system.

179 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:32:02pm

re: #165 nnobull

Oh, go piss up a rope!

180 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #179 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope!

The merchants say
"mandy, you're a fine girl..."

181 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:33:21pm

re: #180 Guanxi88

The merchants say
"mandy, you're a fine girl..."

*curtsey*

182 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:34:09pm

re: #177 Guanxi88

Nephrite jade or jadeite jade?

Just curious.

183 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:34:51pm

All kidding aside, I've had a couple full-on, spitting mad vent-sessions in here, and it's very good for the health. Better folk should get it out of their system on a keyboard than in real life.

184 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:35:39pm

re: #182 EmmmieG

Nephrite jade or jadeite jade?

Just curious.

Nephritic jade, mostly. The jadeite comes outta burma, mostly, and even before we put up sanctions on Burma an blocked their jade, I tried not to deal in it.

185 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:35:43pm

re: #159 Guanxi88

No, it shows a similar ideologically-induced blindness in both groups. That you cannot see this suggests a similar mote or beam in your eye.

Funny. I thought I was the one allegedly guilty of that? Is the little twerp still here?

186 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:36:40pm

re: #185 Naso Tang

Funny. I thought I was the one allegedly guilty of that? Is the little twerp still here?

no, cliffster's the twerp. nnobull's just blocked.

187 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:36:51pm

re: #156 nnobull

A Christian is someone like John XXIII.

188 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:37:01pm

Thanks, Stinky!

189 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:38:10pm

re: #172 jdog29

What's wrong with selling leather, or is that slang for a slur I'm happy I'm not up on.

Leather merchants. Ex-drummers. Pool table owners. Spork makers.
Utter scum, each and every one of us.

Hello. My name is swamprat and I am a catalog orderer. This I admit freely.

190 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:38:53pm

re: #189 swamprat

Leather merchants. Ex-drummers. Pool table owners. Spork makers.
Utter scum, each and every one of us.

Hello. My name is swamprat and I am a catalog orderer. This I admit freely.

Hi, Swamprat!

191 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:40:51pm

re: #189 swamprat


Hello. My name is swamprat and I am a catalog orderer. This I admit freely.

my name is guanxi88, and I'm a leather-mongering, jade-trading necon zionist honco.

192 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:41:12pm

re: #184 Guanxi88

I taught a lesson on metamorphic rocks on Friday. I passed a nephrite jade ring around as one of the examples. Metamorphic rock day is "pretty rock" day.

193 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:41:37pm

re: #189 swamprat

Leather merchants. Ex-drummers. Pool table owners. Spork makers.
Utter scum, each and every one of us.

Hello. My name is swamprat and I am a catalog orderer. This I admit freely.

Hey, Swamprat!

By the way, do you know what you call a drummer in a three-piece suit?

194 allegro  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:42:10pm

re: #193 austin_blue

By the way, do you know what you call a drummer in a three-piece suit?

Employed?

195 webevintage  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:42:22pm

re: #141 lastlaugh

What a boring flounce.

No kidding.
Where was the OMG and CAPS LOCK and EVIL LIBERAL COMMIE and !!!11111!!!

We waz robbed...

196 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:42:42pm

Comment No. 128 is back?

I guess to gather down dings.

197 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:42:46pm

re: #194 allegro

Employed?

Nope.

198 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:43:42pm

re: #191 Guanxi88

You forgot hairpin seller. I'd be ashamed too.

I need a hairpin fix, but my dealer doesn't know anyone in this town.

199 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:43:57pm

re: #192 EmmmieG

I taught a lesson on metamorphic rocks on Friday. I passed a nephrite jade ring around as one of the examples. Metamorphic rock day is "pretty rock" day.

You gotta get your hands on some shoushan, if you can. beautiful stuff. Also nice is dushan, although the chinese do some wonderful work with just plain old agates.

Still, a good piece of carved shoushan is generally worth its weight in gold.

200 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:44:02pm

re: #191 Guanxi88

my name is guanxi88, and I'm a leather-mongering, jade-trading necon zionist honco.

You trade in jade?!

*steps slowly back*

201 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:44:07pm

re: #193 austin_blue


Waiter!

202 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:44:07pm

re: #192 EmmmieG

I taught a lesson on metamorphic rocks on Friday. I passed a nephrite jade ring around as one of the examples. Metamorphic rock day is "pretty rock" day.

...or metaphoric rock day.

203 suchislife  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:45:04pm

I hope this doesn't get deleted, since it's such a small quote. I loved how nnobull accused Charles of having "changed in an unfaltering way". One should never falter while changing!

204 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:45:54pm

re: #201 swamprat

Waiter!

Actually, it's "The Defendant".

But I think I like your answer better.

205 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:46:46pm

re: #198 swamprat

You forgot hairpin seller. I'd be ashamed too.

I need a hairpin fix, but my dealer doesn't know anyone in this town.

Ya know what's great about those solid jade hairpins? They cost a fortune to get made, and, if you don't spritz 'em down with hairspray or some other adhesive before you put them into the hair, they slide out like oiled glass. I can't get my makers to stop polishing the bejeesus outta them. "Jade needs polishing," is what they say every time I try to get them to leave the stems alone, or just bring them to a nice matte.

206 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:46:54pm

re: #128 nnobull

You got the Straw Man down pat. Now, where's the Lion and the Tin Man? And, Toto, too?

207 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:48:02pm

re: #206 MandyManners

You got the Straw Man down pat. Now, where's the Lion and the Tin Man? And, Toto, too?

Don't bring Toto into this. Poor little helpless creature.

208 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:48:39pm

re: #207 cliffster

Don't bring Toto into this. Poor little helpless creature.

*cackle*

209 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:49:59pm

re: #200 MandyManners

You trade in jade?!

*steps slowly back*

Gee, can you guess what my wife gets for birthday, Christmas, and pretty much every other occasion that calls for a gift?

If this town would do a Pompeii tomorrow, archaeologists would be puzzled by the artifacts in my house. "i don't get it - here in texas, we got judaica all over the place, but then there's all this carved jade. It can't all be for trade, because we see a lot of it in the personal quarters area of the dwelling."

210 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:50:22pm

re: #202 Naso Tang

I have a class full of 8-11 year old girls. Trust me, "pretty" is a very important word, and many stones that are used as jewelry are metamorphic. If it keeps them interested...

211 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:51:21pm

re: #208 MandyManners

*cackle*

Uh-oh, I hear the rustle of flying monkey wings in that *cackle*!

What day is it?

;-)

212 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:52:06pm

re: #205 Guanxi88


Surf wax

Keeps people on their boards.

213 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:52:43pm

re: #210 EmmmieG

I have a class full of 8-11 year old girls. Trust me, "pretty" is a very important word, and many stones that are used as jewelry are metamorphic. If it keeps them interested...

My #1 daughter's room is full of little boxes and such, packed with fossils and such that I've found or bought for her collection, and the little girl absolutely cannot be dissuaded from pulling up hunks of agatized or petrified palmwood, which is in rich and irritating abundance here. She doesn't like any jade but the iron-rich omphalite, which is greenish-black and shiny, which shows that she prefers stronger colors.

214 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:52:49pm

Insulting troll begone.

But for the record: I'm pro-choice, and I don't believe gay marriage would destroy the foundations of modern society. Neither of these opinions is the result of a recent change. If you thought I felt differently, it's because you assumed it.

I already know this makes me a left wing secular marauding bloody-handed saboteur, so don't bother.

215 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:52:58pm

re: #209 Guanxi88

If I hadn't given up smoking forever 6 months ago, I would definitely be ordering a meerschaum from you!

216 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:53:46pm

re: #215 bratwurst

If I hadn't given up smoking forever 6 months ago, I would definitely be ordering a meerschaum from you!

Better you should have quit the smoking. I'm thinking to shift away from elegant vices, anyway.

217 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:54:41pm

re: #214 Charles

I'm pro-choice, and I don't believe gay marriage would destroy the foundations of modern society

I have the same views
this makes me a left wing secular marauding bloody-handed saboteur

but I'm still a knuckle dragging troglodyte!

funny, that!

218 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:54:50pm

re: #207 cliffster

Don't bring Toto into this. Poor little helpless creature.

t

Youtube Video
219 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:55:49pm

re: #215 bratwurst

If I hadn't given up smoking forever 6 months ago, I would definitely be ordering a meerschaum from you!

Bratwurst-

Schalke made a nice comeback to tie Bayer after being down 2-nil at halftime.

220 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:57:03pm

re: #213 Guanxi88

Lucky girl. She can keep collecting into adulthood.

221 webevintage  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:57:33pm

Why did Scozzafava not tell Palin and pals to go frak off?

If I lived there I might have crossed party lines to vote for her just because I hate when people outside an area come in and start picking on a local candidate who just happens to be a woman running against 2 dudes.

222 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:58:19pm

re: #149 Ojoe

But Lira were sooo cool! You could have bills that had the number 100,000 on them. I do recall. And the inflation was something! 100 lira for a cappucino, then 150, then 200 Lira ! for coffee !

I love Italy.

You were there some time ago. In the late '80s, coffee was about
2US (2000 L). A sign that Italy is great: That 1000 L note had a
portrait of Maria Montessori, not some puke politician.

223 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:58:55pm

re: #219 austin_blue

Bratwurst-

Schalke made a nice comeback to tie Bayer after being down 2-nil at halftime.

Thank you for noticing! It was a minor miracle...where was that offensive menace for the first 78 minutes?!?!? Second week in a row we have turned an 0-2 halftime deficit into a point.

224 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:00:07pm

re: #213 Guanxi88

My #1 daughter's room is full of little boxes and such, packed with fossils and such that I've found or bought for her collection, and the little girl absolutely cannot be dissuaded from pulling up hunks of agatized or petrified palmwood, which is in rich and irritating abundance here. She doesn't like any jade but the iron-rich omphalite, which is greenish-black and shiny, which shows that she prefers stronger colors.

Petrified palmwood is the State Rock. Mason blue topaz is the State Gemstone.

225 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:00:11pm

re: #213 Guanxi88

I have a house in a small western town. Used to be riverbed before the river was moved. My wife went to plant a spruce in our front yard. She found a half inch square of indian pottery. She does this sort of thing all the time.

226 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:00:33pm

re: #221 webevintage

Why did Scozzafava not tell Palin and pals to go frak off?

If I lived there I might have crossed party lines to vote for her just because I hate when people outside an area come in and start picking on a local candidate who just happens to be a woman running against 2 dudes.

ummm,, wouldn't it be better to vote for the candidate that best expressed your views regardless of party or gender?

227 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:01:08pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

I have a 1000 lira note tacked to the cork board in my office to this day.

228 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:01:38pm

re: #223 bratwurst

Thank you for noticing! It was a minor miracle...where was that offensive menace for the first 78 minutes?!?!? Second week in a row we have turned an 0-2 halftime deficit into a point.

That'll catch up to ya eventually!

229 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:03:15pm

re: #228 austin_blue

That'll catch up to ya eventually!

No doubt. Of course, if the DFB pull our license due to the 135+ million Euro debt, we are going to be playing in the 3-liga next year in any case!

230 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:06:00pm

toto related:

Youtube Video
231 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:06:25pm

re: #229 bratwurst

No doubt. Of course, if the DFB pull our license due to the 135+ million Euro debt, we are going to be playing in the 3-liga next year in any case!

Ouch! Kind of impressive the team is still in 4th position with that kind of debt load. Most teams in that position sell off everything they can for the transfer fees.

232 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:09:06pm

re: #133 Guanxi88

Two posts in a year. Another smelly old sock, come to flounce.

It must be possible to go through the database -- via an SQL command or such -- to see how many have registered but never used an account several months after registration.

233 recusancy  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:09:34pm

re: #128 nnobull

Do you think that card check is a good thing. That unions have the right infringe on your right to privacy?

So you're an believer in a right to privacy. Good to know. So then I assume you would also conclude that Roe v. Wade was properly decided.

Do your really know if global warming is bad and that it is caused by humans to the extent that we can change the trend?

So the conservative position is that Global Warming is good?

234 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:10:46pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Ouch! Kind of impressive the team is still in 4th position with that kind of debt load. Most teams in that position sell off everything they can for the transfer fees.

We will see what happens in January. I have to give Magath all of the credit for the fact we are only 2 points out of first place. Anyone who can win a major European title with Wolfsburg (!) is a football genius beyond the understanding of mere mortals like me.

235 cliffster  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:10:58pm

re: #232 Stuart Leviton

It must be possible to go through the database -- via an SQL command or such -- to see how many have registered but never used an account several months after registration.

You must be a project manager, throwing around these technical terms like it's nothing. SQL command or such!

/ just playin'

236 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:13:31pm

re: #234 bratwurst

We will see what happens in January. I have to give Magath all of the credit for the fact we are only 2 points out of first place. Anyone who can win a major European title with Wolfsburg (!) is a football genius beyond the understanding of mere mortals like me.

Have you been following the Rafa Benitez saga in Liverpool? Quite the disaster, there...

237 webevintage  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:13:41pm

re: #226 sattv4u2

ummm,, wouldn't it be better to vote for the candidate that best expressed your views regardless of party or gender?

Except both she and Owen do express my views.
I'm just asking why she didn't wait.
The election is on Tuesady, right?

238 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:17:24pm

re: #209 Guanxi88

Gee, can you guess what my wife gets for birthday, Christmas, and pretty much every other occasion that calls for a gift?

If this town would do a Pompeii tomorrow, archaeologists would be puzzled by the artifacts in my house. "i don't get it - here in texas, we got judaica all over the place, but then there's all this carved jade. It can't all be for trade, because we see a lot of it in the personal quarters area of the dwelling."

They'd wonder about all the knives, books, guns and 20+ filing cabinets in my house. And, the three-hole punchers. And, miniature tape recorders.

239 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:17:44pm

re: #213 Guanxi88

My #1 daughter's room is full of little boxes and such, packed with fossils and such that I've found or bought for her collection, and the little girl absolutely cannot be dissuaded from pulling up hunks of agatized or petrified palmwood, which is in rich and irritating abundance here. She doesn't like any jade but the iron-rich omphalite, which is greenish-black and shiny, which shows that she prefers stronger colors.

I have a 3 gallon bucket full of fossilized dugong ribs amongst other things. Also some wood, some dear antler, shark teeth, mastodon and mammoth teeth. The latter are nice. This was all from digging a half day in a small Florida riverbed.

Any jewelry potential in there?

240 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:18:36pm

re: #209 Guanxi88

(snip)
If this town would do a Pompeii tomorrow, archaeologists would be puzzled by the artifacts in my house. "i don't get it - here in texas, we got judaica all over the place, but then there's all this carved jade. It can't all be for trade, because we see a lot of it in the personal quarters area of the dwelling."

Try to dig out an old science/humor classic "Digging the Weans".

241 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:19:11pm

re: #232 Stuart Leviton

It must be possible to go through the database -- via an SQL command or such -- to see how many have registered but never used an account several months after registration.

I used to think I could teach Charles how to suck eggs too..

242 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:19:12pm

re: #238 MandyManners

They'd wonder about all the knives, books, guns and 20+ filing cabinets in my house. And, the three-hole punchers. And, miniature tape recorders.

I have often wondered what archeologists will make of Bionicles.

243 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:20:42pm

re: #211 austin_blue

Uh-oh, I hear the rustle of flying monkey wings in that *cackle*!

What day is it?

;-)

What are you doing with that bucket of water?

244 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:22:41pm

re: #238 MandyManners

And, miniature tape recorders.

Any of the wire recording type that fit in your shirt pocket? I had one of those once. High tech stuff.

245 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:22:54pm

Headin upstairs

((actually already there in another window,,, but leaving this one!!))

246 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:23:32pm

re: #243 MandyManners

What are you doing with that bucket of water?

Ha!

247 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #242 EmmmieG

I have often wondered what archeologists will make of Bionicles.

And pogo sticks and Chia pets.

248 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:24:49pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Try to dig out an old science/humor classic "Digging the Weans".

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

249 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:25:32pm

re: #244 Naso Tang

Any of the wire recording type that fit in your shirt pocket? I had one of those once. High tech stuff.

Three.

250 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:25:55pm

re: #246 austin_blue

What a world! What a world!

251 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:26:03pm

re: #248 MandyManners

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

that never gets old!!

252 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:26:03pm

re: #247 MandyManners

...somewhere in the mid-twentieth century homo sapiens became monopods, and lost the ability to walk bipedally. We can see their ingenuity in the new method of transportation they invented. We think perhaps they thanked their household gods, the "hole-headed" gods, for this new ability...

253 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:26:43pm

re: #238 MandyManners

re: #242 EmmmieG

Complete "Digging" is not quickly found on the intertubes. Robert Nathan wrote it in'60, and Theo Bickel used it in an album. (Future archaeologists discover us to poor effect.)

254 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:26:52pm

re: #249 MandyManners

Three.

I'm slowly getting a picture of your place.

255 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:30:21pm

re: #253 Decatur Deb

Bikel. (pimf)

256 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

that never gets old!!

BIrds do it. Bees do it. Even educated fleas do it.

257 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:32:37pm

re: #252 EmmmieG

...somewhere in the mid-twentieth century homo sapiens became monopods, and lost the ability to walk bipedally. We can see their ingenuity in the new method of transportation they invented. We think perhaps they thanked their household gods, the "hole-headed" gods, for this new ability...

They might think we lost some bone structure once they find all the shin guards and wrist guards.

258 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:33:06pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb
From the trash pile of a retired scientist next door;
Video tube and manual for a 1945 spectral analyzer,
Antique medical devise for inserting acidopolis (sp?)fumes into a human cavity,
Klaxon, like a submarine dive alarm.
Magic ceremonial closet, cabinet throne thingy, covered with stars and moons,
Another spectra graph, but purely optical,


Piles and piles of similar stuff. They couldn't sell it.
Nobody knows what he was working on, but it seemed to relate to the interaction or similarity between audio, electrical, and optical frequencies.

259 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:33:51pm

re: #254 Naso Tang

I'm slowly getting a picture of your place.

I'm a former reporter.

260 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:36:19pm

re: #258 swamprat

From the trash pile of a retired scientist next door;
Video tube and manual for a 1945 spectral analyzer,
Antique medical devise for inserting acidopolis (sp?)fumes into a human cavity,
Klaxon, like a submarine dive alarm.
Magic ceremonial closet, cabinet throne thingy, covered with stars and moons,
Another spectra graph, but purely optical,

Piles and piles of similar stuff. They couldn't sell it.
Nobody knows what he was working on, but it seemed to relate to the interaction or similarity between audio, electrical, and optical frequencies.

Flux capacitors?

261 lurking faith  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:36:25pm

re: #128 nnobull

What a moron: "You've changed. I don't know a single damn thing about your positions because I have never read your blog posts, but I'm sure you've changed. I hate you. Also, I can't spell."

*yawn*

262 swamprat  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:37:10pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb Wouldn't be surprised.

263 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:55:37pm

Oh, is this an official dead thread now?

Mwahahahaha...
You are all fools, ravening fools! Know ye not that in the Ninth Quadrenion, the official Turtle Master revealed the truth unto the faithful?

It isn't global warming. He and his wife are having a fight over the thermostat.

Yes, milk chocolate was a direct blessing to mankind for the good deeds of Moro the potter. (If you don't know who he was, woe be unto you.)

The existence of the antichrist was revealed in a pair of plaid polyester pants worn by Mr. Howard Sturkwiz of White Plains, NY. We missed it.

The secret to balancing the national budget and bringing about national harmony lies in the samba sequences from Dancing With the Stars, but only the sambas that involve actors, not singers or professional athletes. Those sambas have the secret to getting the UN geeks to pay their parking tickets.

The Tenth Quadrenion will be heralded by the discovery of a pepper hotter than habanero.

And...sorry, dried frog pills kicking in...

(I've always wanted to do that.)

264 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:02:49pm

re: #193 austin_blue

Hey, Swamprat!

By the way, do you know what you call a drummer in a three-piece suit?

Defendant...

265 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:03:21pm

re: #263 EmmmieG

Ha! You're craaazy!
/:)

266 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:08:21pm

re: #265 Varek Raith

Ha! You're craaazy!
/:)


It's this or do what I'm supposed to do. But you're right. I've been in a house for hours now with five boys ages 13-8. I'm seriously loony.

267 jaunte  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:09:40pm

Unfaltering leather merchants!
What rich and odorous palaver slips by when one is out
buying Halloween treats.

268 Four More Tears  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:20:52pm

re: #128 nnobull


Do you think that there is a difference in the relationship between a man and a woman raising their biological children and two men living together? I think that the former is characterized as marriage and the latter convenience and there should be a designated difference.

I've always wondered what the people who use this argument think of any couple where one or both are unable to reproduce. Should sterile people be unworthy of marriage, too? Just trying to figure out how that fits into the logic.

269 Arizona Angler  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:34:43pm

LGF: "If you differ from the red meat social conservative base on two primary issues — abortion and gay marriage — that’ll get you thrown out on your ear and labeled a radical leftist saboteur."
I don't read Malkin as differing "based on two primary issues" but rather a combination (although the "radical leftist" was a stretch). What about these things:
"Scozzafava’s husband is a leading upstate New York union organizer. She supports the federal “card-check” legislation..."
"Scozzafava is an abortion rights advocate who favors gay marriage. It would be one thing if Scozzafava balanced that social liberalism with fiscal conservatism. But as a state assemblywoman, she voted for massive tax increases, Democratic budgets and a $180 million state bank bailout. She also supported the trillion-dollar federal stimulus package..."

270 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:36:07pm

Urchins at the door. G'nite.

271 Robert O.  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:33:14pm

The GOP clearly has no room for anybody who does not tow the line on every ideological issue they have in a list of "litmus tests", disregarding where they are from, or the demographic the local GOP Leaders represent. As a result, the GOP looks increasingly like a party of racial baiting, loony conspiracy kooks and intolerance, led by an incompetent Sarah Palin, with Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Co. as its cheerleaders. How many non-political people today would even recognize that the GOP was once the Party of Lincoln, and that during the Civil Rights era, the GOP was at the forefront of granting equal rights to all Americans, and that it was the Dixiecrats (now Republicans) who opposed progress? At the rate they are going, the GOP will be out of power for a long time. In fact, the GOP could have set up Obama to be "President for Life" if it wasn't for the 22nd Amendment!

272 mikhailtheplumber  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:56:58pm

re: #34 Gus 802

There's a word or phrase in psychology that describes a person that falls easily into a state of irrationality. It's almost like being a house of cards and then the last card is put in place and that house comes falling down.

Malkin and Dollard's principles (which is still a theory if they have one) are much like that house of cards. Abortion and gay marriage are two of the cards that bring it tumbling down.

So, another example of radical leftism, real radical leftism and not the hyperbolic definition, would be Counterpunch. This is a cached link since it does contain a great deal of anti-Israel literature.

I thought Counterpunch was to the far right (although I had never read it, so I have no basis for my previous belief). Well, when you go too far, right and left kindda look alike.

273 Buck  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:34:53pm

It is Scozzafava's support for Card Check, forced unionization that disturbs me. I could care less if gays want to marry. And the laws on abortion are clear, and are not going to change.

In fact I would say that during the Bush 8 years there was more gay marriage, and more access to abortion (measured by yellow page ads) that ever before.

But the unions, and card check scare the heck outta me.

274 peekpoke  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:04:16pm

re: #214 Charles

No more so than Rudy G (who shares the same views as you).

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:21:29pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

You were there some time ago. In the late '80s, coffee was about
2US (2000 L). A sign that Italy is great: That 1000 L note had a
portrait of Maria Montessori, not some puke politician.

Italian politicians don't last long enough to get their faces on money.

("This young Neapolitan boy has a fifty-three percent change leading Italy at some point during his life...")

276 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:23:38pm

re: #7 Conservative Moonbat

I think Malkin is an intelligent person and is purposely demonizing Scozzofava to delegitimize her in GOP circles with the added bonus of warning other Republicans who leave the reservation for less right-wing positions. Malkin has reported on the loony antics of moonbats before and I'm sure she knows the real difference between Scozzofava and them. IMO.

277 colosurfbum  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:05:35pm

I find it sad that you all and Charles are not supporting Hoffman. Soczzafava is a leftist. She supports, big labor, Obamacare, higher taxes and is a Margret Sanger award winner. Buck has it right. (msg 273). I think that the fear of religion is getting the best of Charles.
OT here. What the California GOVT. is doing by with holding an extra 10% of our pay checks is going to happen at the federal level as well. especially when we elect RINO types. and Scozzafava is just that.

278 colosurfbum  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:06:29pm

Oh am I banned now?

279 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:16:34pm

re: #278 colosurfbum

Oh am I banned now?

No, it does not seem so, but you are a prick.

280 colosurfbum  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:21:57pm

Yes I am but I can debate without name calling seems you have a gripe doubter4444.

281 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:00:06pm

Just calling it like I see I see it.
And you admit IO was right.
You have 53 posts in 4 years and proudly claim you banned-ness (even though you are not).
So in addition to being a prick, as you admit, you are a troll.
I will admit that one can be a prick without being a troll, but you can't be a troll without being a prick (it's the nature of trolldom).
Why not espouse some YEC or over the top ODS and go for the trifecta?

282 njrob  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:18:27pm

I'm curious about something. What exactly are the credentials of a moderate?What are the credentials of a conservative? What are the credentials of a liberal?

As traditionally understood, but not practiced very often, liberals desire big government solutions, conservatives small government and moderates somewhere in between.

As for the religious affiliations, I'm not sure why many on here continually tar the conservative base as radical creationists. I figure most have some religious beliefs, but aren't overly passionate, don't consider the Bible as literal and just live their lives and want to be left alone. Yet the same brush is used to tar them with the straw man of the Neanderthal who is shocked that the sun rises in the same place every day.

Is it more important to attack religious faith than to fight against government having the ability to dictate how we choose to live our lives or raise our families?

Thanks for the replies.

283 colosurfbum  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:28:57pm

doubter4444 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:00:06pm
I was waiting for the troll comment. I don't comment here often because of people like you. You simply cannot debate without the troll, name calling vitriol. njrob says it all. I agree with him 100%.

284 colosurfbum  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:29:28pm

re: #282 njrob

I couldn't agree more. well stated sir.

285 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:35:46pm

re: #282 njrob

As for the religious affiliations, I'm not sure why many on here continually tar the conservative base as radical creationists. I figure most have some religious beliefs, but aren't overly passionate, don't consider the Bible as literal and just live their lives and want to be left alone. Yet the same brush is used to tar them with the straw man of the Neanderthal who is shocked that the sun rises in the same place every day.

Not so at all on this blog. I am a Catholic and have said as much. I suppose that makes me 'conservative' in some way. No one here ever "tars" me for it.

Good night all.

286 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:36:55pm

re: #280 colosurfbum

re: #280 colosurfbum

Use the reply button please.

287 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:39:45pm

re: #282 njrob

I'm curious about something. What exactly are the credentials of a moderate?What are the credentials of a conservative? What are the credentials of a liberal?

As traditionally understood, but not practiced very often, liberals desire big government solutions, conservatives small government and moderates somewhere in between.

As for the religious affiliations, I'm not sure why many on here continually tar the conservative base as radical creationists. I figure most have some religious beliefs, but aren't overly passionate, don't consider the Bible as literal and just live their lives and want to be left alone. Yet the same brush is used to tar them with the straw man of the Neanderthal who is shocked that the sun rises in the same place every day.

Is it more important to attack religious faith than to fight against government having the ability to dictate how we choose to live our lives or raise our families?

Thanks for the replies.

You ask for exact definitions of moderates and liberals and Conservatives, yet you then generalize about the "taring of the conservative base as radical creationists".
Which is a generalization, and not accurate even in it's generalness.

The vast majority of posters here are right leaning, some listing pretty far, but most share a believe (if I may be so bold to say so), that politics should be separate from political policy and law making, so as to be inclusive of ALL faiths (and non believers), because (again, IMO) the beauty and greatness of this country lies in the fact that you should not be persecuted for your private beliefs, nor coerced by the government into doing and acting a way that is antithetical to them.

So, in other words, the only way to keep EVERYONE free of faith based coercion is to keep ALL religion out of public policy.
It is a flawed and impossible task, of course, but it is a noble one.
I just don't have the energy to go into definitions, but as for the rest of your comment, that's my take.
From the tone of your post, this will probably be like water off a ducks back; however, if that's not the case, I do apologize for the assumption.

288 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:44:27pm

re: #283 colosurfbum

doubter4444 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:00:06pm
I was waiting for the troll comment. I don't comment here often because of people like you. You simply cannot debate without the troll, name calling vitriol. njrob says it all. I agree with him 100%.

Vitriol?
Not only do you not post here often, you obviously do not read the comments here very often either.
I called you a troll because you post a pretty strong statement and then boast that your are going to be banned for it.
That's kinda the definition of trollish behavior.
Damn! I said I was too tired for definitions.
But for you, I'll go there.

289 colosurfbum  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:48:15pm

re: #287 doubter4444

Then why are Hoffman, Jindhal (?), Pawlenty, ETC being crucified as religious extremists here? And to despite you thinking I am a troll I tend to list to the right more than the Titanic did. I like nj think alot of my wallet these days.

290 njrob  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:51:18pm

A large portion of the anger towards Scozzaflava was how she was selected to be the Republican nominee in what is a nominally conservative district. Local party men sat down and appointed her to the position because she had a name that they felt would be recognized as she had been in electoral politics for years. They did not consider how that would look to many voters that feel disenfranchised as their views are currently our of power and also as politicians continue to gerrymander districts to make elections one nominee votes. They did not consider how Republicans locally and nationally would view this special election, that has gotten extra attention as it is one of only a handful of elections that happen in this off year, led by a social and fiscal liberal with an R next to her name.

Many on the right are fearful of what they consider to be RINOs voting against their self interest because 'history calls' and felt that Scozzaflava would be the same. They decided that this would be the nomination where they would send a message to the GOP that lurching to the left and creating 2 parties to the left of center is not what they desired. Many on here have claimed how radically off base this shows the right to be yet it is the polling Scozzaflava has received that has told her she can't win. Her record has made her unelectable in her community... at least as a Republican. Isn't that exactly what we want from our political community. Proper representation of a voters beliefs?

291 freetoken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:52:34pm

re: #289 colosurfbum

For Jindal... it is probably due to the exorcism thing, plus he hangs around with definite hard core theocrats.

For Pawlenty... on a wide range of issues he tries to identify with the likes of Dobson, etc.

For Hoffman... probably because of his association with the very religious elements of the Conservative Party.

292 freetoken  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:55:43pm

re: #290 njrob

AIsn't that exactly what we want from our political community. Proper representation of a voters beliefs?

And you believe Hoffman, who apparently doesn't even live in that district, can represent that Congressional district more accurately with his set of beliefs?

293 colosurfbum  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:56:45pm

re: #291 freetoken

In my view I think they ae going for the vote. I for the record am a Catholic. ( non practicing)

294 njrob  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:58:16pm

re: #287 doubter4444

Thanks for the reply. I don't doubt that many on here genuinely do feel that way and I agree with each of them. We do not want a theocracy nor a dictatorship. Liberty requires the freedom of belief and expression.

The concern of many of religious faith is where does the goal of protecting peoples' rights from having others force their religious beliefs upon them in policy and elsewhere become an environment that reflexively hostile to any religious belief and practices an Atheist belief system in its place.

Sorry for the garbled speech. I imagine its always hard to try to write at 1 am.

295 njrob  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 10:02:17pm

re: #292 freetoken

That's up to the voters. I used to live in NYC and now in NJ so I'm not familiar with the voting patterns of the district other than knowing they've gotten Republican for the past 100 years and also went for Obama last year.

I only mention Hoffman appears to be more in line with the district's beliefs because he's even with the Democrat in the polls and well ahead of Scozzaflava. It's ultimately up to the voters that show at the polls on how they want to be governed. It's that consent that I'm concerned about.

296 colosurfbum  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 10:03:36pm

re: #288 doubter4444

I spend most of my time reading comments here, and i see a lot of fervor and spite. I also do see some who are willing to debate but I believe that majority here do lock step and barrel with the host. However the left sites which I don't often go to are far worse and the far right is the same. as far as the redstate article he his right we need to purge the GOP of people like Scozzafava. they are not conservative nor republican.

297 njrob  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 10:04:57pm

Wow,

grammatical errors in my last two posts. Sorry about that. I'm going to get some sleep and try and come back in the morning with a clear head. Thank you again for the responses.

OT, great win by the Yanks. Two more to go.

298 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 10:11:06pm

re: #290 njrob

A large portion of the anger towards Scozzaflava was how she was selected to be the Republican nominee in what is a nominally conservative district. Local party men sat down and appointed her to the position because she had a name that they felt would be recognized as she had been in electoral politics for years. They did not consider how that would look to many voters that feel disenfranchised as their views are currently our of power and also as politicians continue to gerrymander districts to make elections one nominee votes. They did not consider how Republicans locally and nationally would view this special election, that has gotten extra attention as it is one of only a handful of elections that happen in this off year, led by a social and fiscal liberal with an R next to her name.

Many on the right are fearful of what they consider to be RINOs voting against their self interest because 'history calls' and felt that Scozzaflava would be the same. They decided that this would be the nomination where they would send a message to the GOP that lurching to the left and creating 2 parties to the left of center is not what they desired. Many on here have claimed how radically off base this shows the right to be yet it is the polling Scozzaflava has received that has told her she can't win. Her record has made her unelectable in her community... at least as a Republican. Isn't that exactly what we want from our political community. Proper representation of a voters beliefs?

re: #294 njrob

Thanks for the reply. I don't doubt that many on here genuinely do feel that way and I agree with each of them. We do not want a theocracy nor a dictatorship. Liberty requires the freedom of belief and expression.

The concern of many of religious faith is where does the goal of protecting peoples' rights from having others force their religious beliefs upon them in policy and elsewhere become an environment that reflexively hostile to any religious belief and practices an Atheist belief system in its place.

Sorry for the garbled speech. I imagine its always hard to try to write at 1 am.

Thanks and I get it, but I think that's the point I was trying to make, you can't enforce religious beliefs in any way... and that's impossible, I admit, as people are human.
The best way is keep as much of it out of public policy as possible, which pisses everyone off, of course!
As for the other point about NY 23, my real concern is the way it's being presented, and which you seem to have bought into: some cable of cigar smoking back room types picking a hack... when in reality, it's the other way around.
By all reasonable indications, Dede S was
A) an elected state rep form the area
B) in line with the outgoing rep from the area,
C) a republican for decades with a record of commitment to the NY republican party.
On the other hand, Hoffman
A) does not even live in the district
B) never held office and has no track record (remember the whining about a certain Senator with a thin resume?)
C) is unfamiliar with the regions issues and needs.
He is the one who was picked by a back room cabal, he is the one without the resume and he is the one that national leaders want, because they think (and I'm supposing, here but with the backing he is getting, how many chits is he going to owe?) they will own his vote.
THIS IS BAD, honest.

299 checked08  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 10:16:05pm

re: #296 colosurfbum

So kick out all the candidates who can actually attract moderate voters? Winning strategy, bro. No wonder the Dems are keeping their mouths shut lately.

Edumacations fo u'es bran.

300 njrob  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 10:30:49pm

re: #298 doubter4444

Thanks for the reply to both my points. It will always be a struggle to balance our personal beliefs with public policy decisions. Is it possibly to find humble politicians who truly understand the responsibility they hold as elected officials and have them lead wisely? Hopefully...

I'm going to do a bit more research in the morning about how both Scozzoflava and Hoffman came into the race.

Thanks again and now I really must get some rest.

301 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:16:53pm

re: #300 njrob

Me too, it's been a long trick or treating day.
And true enough, finding an honest politician is a rarity.
It's impossible to make everyone happy on this subject, but demanding that everyone conform to a set of beliefs seems counter intuitive to what we are all about.
And that's my problem with socons.
Everything is about them, and what they want and think is right for everyone else, based on some fictional notion of a better time that never existed.
History is messy and difficult, but we are better off than we were when blacks were separate, when woman were not seen as equals in the work force, when gays were hounded and jailed or worse.

It's true the 60's were a convulsive time,and we've seen so much change so quickly. But in historical time it's the blink of an eye.

I love Mad Men, and I think that a lot those pining for the better days have really convinced themselves that we had the social structures of today with the pace of life and the past, and that if it weren't for the damn hippies, everything would be good.
Unfortunately it's just not true.
Anyway, good night.
You seem like a descent person, and I wish you and yours all the best.
BTW, my wife is Jersey born and bread, my in-laws still have a place at the shore, and I'm begging them not to sell, as we'll be back there some day.

302 doubter4444  Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:23:50pm

By the way, the link at #299 from checked 08 is a good place to start to look about what I said about the carpetbaggers descending on the region, buying Hoffman and upsetting the what should have been a pretty unremarkable selection process, the region is not heavily Conservative, just heavily republican, which as we see are two vastly different things these days, it's from Wiki, for what it's worth, but I think it's pretty straight.
Thanks Checked08.

303 JohninLondon  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 1:21:54am

I think it is WRONG to try to portray all this as a result of narrow religious bigotry and Scozzafeva's position on marriage and abortion.

As far as I can see, she is a leftie across a whole range of economic issues. Literally a RINO.

And the importance of those issues far transcends issues like abortion and marriage. That is why she drew flak from so many real Republicans.

There is too much patronising and scorn for people who want to fight back against the high-tax, high-debt, Big Government tsunami. And it is false - and cheap - to accuse them of being motivated solely by concern about abortion and marriage.

304 checked08  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 1:44:54am

re: #303 JohninLondon

There is too much patronising and scorn for people who want to fight back against the high-tax, high-debt, Big Government tsunami. And it is false - and cheap - to accuse them of being motivated solely by concern about abortion and marriage.


This is true, but people who do actually vote on tax policy and national debt, I believe, are in the minority. This case is the Religious Right flexing their muscles, whereas bigotry is the major motivator. Did that make sense? It's almost 2 A.M. I hate night jobs :(

305 SixDegrees  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 3:02:08am

re: #303 JohninLondon

I think it is WRONG to try to portray all this as a result of narrow religious bigotry and Scozzafeva's position on marriage and abortion.

As far as I can see, she is a leftie across a whole range of economic issues. Literally a RINO.

And the importance of those issues far transcends issues like abortion and marriage. That is why she drew flak from so many real Republicans.

There is too much patronising and scorn for people who want to fight back against the high-tax, high-debt, Big Government tsunami. And it is false - and cheap - to accuse them of being motivated solely by concern about abortion and marriage.

The problem is: abortion and gay marriage are pretty much the whole nine yards with these folks. Try to run as someone who supports abortion, or who is indifferent to the issue, and they will be after you with pitchforks and torches before you can draw your next breath.

In fact, their concerns over economic policy are completely secondary to their goal of establishing a theocratic government based on extreme christian fundamentalism to rule over the US, outlawing the issues already mentioned; establishing dress codes (sound familiar?); subverting science education in the public schools; hanging christian tracts behind every judge's bench; and before too long, breaking out the yellow arm bands to aid in identification of - let's be clear here - the heretics.

Fuck them and everybody who looks like them.

306 The Dude  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 4:06:42am
Fuck them and everybody who looks like them.

Yes, because that's obviously the way to build an effective, winning conservative coalition.

/

307 JohninLondon  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 4:58:32am

305 SixDegrees

I have seldom read such arrant nonsense.

Except at DailyKos.

308 peterb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:12:50am

re: #20 metrolibertarian

What's particularly disgusting is this woman essentially did what Malkin and her Malkin's idiot supporters wanted, and they're still shitting all over Scozzafava.

Sure, because Scozzafava ruined their narrative. What was supposed to happen was that Scozzafava and Hoffman would lose to the democrat, and then Malkin et al would use that result as "proof" that Scozzafava lost because she was "too liberal", and if only Hoffman had ben the nominee, he totally would have won!

The mistake you're making is in thinking this is about the NY-23 race. It isn't. It was meant to be a lever to move the rest of the party in the rest of the country. By leaving the race (and allowing Hoffman to belly-flop all on his lonesome, Scozzafava has queered that story.

309 Deseeded  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:31:25am

Here's what I don't understand: Republicans are concerned about not being in control, yet what we see is a severe shift in party opinion. I just don't get why that shift favors anti-abortion and anti-gay sentiment. A reasonable person would expect that in 2009 people would understand that these two "issues" are largely false and truly destroy the "working environment" the party is trying to build.

Here's a personal tid bit. I registered Republican in Massachusetts last year and I support both gay marriage and abortion...I can't believe I am alone in that camp. My hope is that the quiet folks around me will take hold of this party and return us to a system of personal rights, responsibility, and financial conservatism.

310 checked08  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 12:56:41pm

re: #309 Deseeded

You really think there was a shift in opinion? Seems to me that the Right-Wing fringe is just louder than usual, filling the GOPs leadership vacuum..or leadership blackhole, leadership somethingmassivethatsgoingtotakeseeminglyforevertofill hole.

311 michaelbn  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 1:30:08pm

So now we're left with the choice of Glen Beck or moonbats? What ever happened to the big tent Republican Party?

312 opinionator  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:43:50pm

From what I could see, opposition to Scozzafava was mainly predicated on her economic positions. She supported Card Check, the "Stimulus" and just about all the Obama economic prescriptions. And yes, she is very pro-choice. I wonder what the party was thinking when they nominated her. I am not one for ideological purity litmus tests, but could the candidate they pick support at least most of my economic positions? Just sayin'.

313 moski3  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:43:29pm

Well. . . turns out she is a radical.
So what. Who did not see that coming? She was more of a Lib Head then the Dem pick. No more RINOs! and we won't have to deal with this sort of problem. Pretty easy stuff.
She should have never been the pick in the first place.


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