1 laZardo  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:15:16pm

One can, however, become a blue-skinned superman by staying in the middle of a large chain reactor and concentrating hard on willing the various parts of the body back into existence afterward.

/and i'll look down and whisper, "hurrr."

2 haakondahl  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:17:36pm

Congratulations to all you fucking nutters who blew up the Republican party.

It's awfully hard to blame the leftists for being leftists. The Commies and the Socialists will always do their thing, and we used to be able to stop them. Not anymore, thanks to you children who decided to "punish" the Republican Party by withholding your votes in 2006 and 2008.

At least you can comfort yourselves with the knowledge that you maintained your precious ideological purity. You sent the Democrats to the White House, and the Republicans to the nut house.

Enjoy the Poor House.

3 freetoken  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:18:33pm

Fully is the word,
Human is the goal.
Painlessly is the word,
Christmas is the goal.

4 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:19:22pm

And with the posting of this thread, It's time for me to get to bed. Night, all.

5 freetoken  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:19:46pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Good night!

6 Bagua  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:20:33pm

Iceman On The Beach (remix)


-Urban Sound of Amsterdam
7 Mark Pennington  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:21:03pm

Good night Lizards. Sweet dreams.

8 freetoken  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:27:27pm

re: #7 beekiller

g' nite...

9 SixDegrees  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:33:27pm
10 The Left  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:42:43pm

oliver willis tweets:

Black man discovers his new HP computer is racist. No, really.

Is this some kind of hoax?

11 Gus  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:44:36pm

re: #10 iceweasel

oliver willis tweets:

[Video]Is this some kind of hoax?

Reflectivity.

12 freetoken  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:51:56pm

re: #11 Gus 802

The face tracking software might be filtering for color... more so than for contrast.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:52:37pm

re: #12 freetoken

The face tracking software might be filtering for color... more so than for contrast.

I like the part about how he hopes his wife doesn't see the video.

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:56:30pm

Over at Hot Air, they are not too happy about Ben Faust Nelson.

Or Judas Iscariot Nelson.

Or Judas Iscariot Benedict Arnold Nelson.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:57:37pm

Some of the Hot Air people are upset.

16 freetoken  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:58:20pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, I made a quick trip over there... pretty vile place.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:58:58pm
18 The Left  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 11:59:43pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #12 freetoken

re: #11 Gus 802

How could they not betatest it on anyone who wasn't white??? I'm gobsmacked.
Major HP fail.

BTW, some very amusing reactions to health care coming in over twitter. I'll put together a list-- hysterical conspiracy theories are being propagated via #tcot and #gop, and lefties are using those hashtags to taunt the black helicopter types. I just saw one that said 'everytime a wingnut cries, an american gets health care.'
(I bet something similar is happening with moderate lefties mocking moveOn types too)

19 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:00:28am

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

Just to copy the post for posterity:

If any of you moderators want’s to send me the ip address of simplesimon to the e-mail I registered this account to I will track him down and take care of him. Consider it a gift.

He won’t ever be a problem on this or any other site again. Or to any person anywhere in the world.

The Ronin Edge on December 21, 2009 at 2:37 AM

As I said before, pretty vile place. Their out to outdo the Freepers in ugliness.

20 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:01:08am

pimf "they're"

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:01:58am

Some of the Hot Air people are just being weird. I don't get this one.

22 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:02:00am

Some dork on TCOT thinks the Scozzafava campaign is still going on.

23 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:02:55am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

I like the part about how he hopes his wife doesn't see the video.

Life imitates art? This was the premise for an entire episode of Better Off Ted, where facial tracking software was installed to make employees more productive by opening doors for them, flushing toilets, turning on drinking fountains and so on. Except it didn't recognize blacks.

The corporation's first response, rather than admitting fault and fixing the software, was to install separate drinking fountains for blacks. This didn't go over well, so they hired white homeless people to follow the blacks around and trigger the sensors. Some of these folks were almost immediately turned into slaves, running errands and holding places in line for their black masters...

Great show. Tuesday evenings. ABC, I think.

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:03:05am

re: #22 Gus 802

Some dork on TCOT thinks the Scozzafava campaign is still going on.

Much like the Korean War, it may never end. Whatisname took back his concession.

25 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:03:40am

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

Much like the Korean War, it may never end. Whatisname took back his concession.

Impeach Truman!

/

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:04:10am

re: #23 SixDegrees

Life imitates art? This was the premise for an entire episode of Better Off Ted, where facial tracking software was installed to make employees more productive by opening doors for them, flushing toilets, turning on drinking fountains and so on. Except it didn't recognize blacks.

The corporation's first response, rather than admitting fault and fixing the software, was to install separate drinking fountains for blacks. This didn't go over well, so they hired white homeless people to follow the blacks around and trigger the sensors. Some of these folks were almost immediately turned into slaves, running errands and holding places in line for their black masters...

Great show. Tuesday evenings. ABC, I think.

Actually, I've had automatic toilets not 'recognize' me if I was wearing a dark top. You'd think they'd be able to figure this out by now.

27 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:04:35am

re: #25 Gus 802

Eisenhower was a communist sympathizer!

28 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:05:24am

Evidently the GOP doesn't realize:

29 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:05:32am

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, I've had automatic toilets not 'recognize' me if I was wearing a dark top. You'd think they'd be able to figure this out by now.

I'm not entirely convinced the video isn't a prank.

30 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:05:56am

RSMcCain is still awake!

rsmccain @ExposeLiberals Political Psychosis [Link: xxxx...] Madness Takes Its Toll in Senate #tcot [] PLZ ReTweet
half a minute ago from web

It's 3:08 AM there.

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:06:26am

Some of the Hot Air people are mad because someone said the Founding Fathers owned slaves.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:08:24am

Some of the Hot Air people seem confused about the origins of the guillotine, which is odd, considering that the Terror should be one of their chief talking points against the Left.

33 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:09:03am

Excellent:

kali77 good night #tcot, I am sorry your children will be able to get insurance now if they have a pre existing condition. 1 minute ago from web

Yeah, too bad that people with pre-existing condition will now be able to get health insurance.

Yep.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:10:05am

Some of the Hot Air people are getting really weird.

35 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:10:28am

We're doomed to be Communists for IONS!!!!111!!

36 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:11:11am

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of the Hot Air people are getting really weird.

I'm telling you. This will prove to be supremely entertaining.

37 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:13:47am

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of the Hot Air people are getting really weird.

Just a note on this fixation with HA and other such sites: as entertaining and disturbing as such comments are, driving a whole bunch of eyeballs over there is counterproductive. Their advertising rates are determined in part by how many visitors they receive, so constant linking can wind up making them more money, at least in the short run. That's why Charles so often links to page caches, which they get no credit for.

38 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:13:50am

LOL:

Dhummi LDC's and socialist/communist nations rooting for the demise of US and death of capitalism yet expect US to fund everything. MORONS! #TCOT

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:14:06am

Some of the Hot Air people are sad.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:14:51am

re: #37 SixDegrees

Just a note on this fixation with HA and other such sites: as entertaining and disturbing as such comments are, driving a whole bunch of eyeballs over there is counterproductive. Their advertising rates are determined in part by how many visitors they receive, so constant linking can wind up making them more money, at least in the short run. That's why Charles so often links to page caches, which they get no credit for.

Oh, OK. I'm just reading over there, and, throwing out the occasional tidbit. Can stop.

41 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:18:01am

re: #37 SixDegrees

Given that Drudge now lists HotAir, as well as FreeRepublic, under his list of "news" sites, I suspect that the traffic sent HA's way by links in LGF comments is down in the noise.

The MM/Beck wing of the American body politic is now well self-defined and self-referring. Fortunately they are a minority of Americans. IMO the big loser in this is the GOP as it is now the farthest away from its origins as it has ever been.

42 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:19:02am

re: #29 SixDegrees

I'm not entirely convinced the video isn't a prank.

Yeah, me too.

43 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:20:03am

re: #41 freetoken

Given that Drudge now lists HotAir, as well as FreeRepublic, under his list of "news" sites, I suspect that the traffic sent HA's way by links in LGF comments is down in the noise.

The MM/Beck wing of the American body politic is now well self-defined and self-referring. Fortunately they are a minority of Americans. IMO the big loser in this is the GOP as it is now the farthest away from its origins as it has ever been.

They're all a bunch of dorks. D.O.R.K.S.

44 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:20:27am

James Dobson

LOL

45 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:20:51am

re: #35 Gus 802

We're doomed to be Communists for IONS!!!111!!

Win. Can I steal that?

46 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:22:12am

re: #45 iceweasel

Win. Can I steal that?

Sure can.

TCOT the supreme butthurt!

47 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:23:20am

re: #46 Gus 802

Sure can.

TCOT the supreme butthurt!

Lol-- watch the tcot, tag, butthurt coming up!

48 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:25:29am

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of the Hot Air people are getting really weird.

Interesting, as I have gone down this thread, there seems to be more interest in other blogs than LGF.

I like LGF, I like to spend my blog time here, Hot Air must enjoy all the publicity they get.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:26:38am

OmahaConservative on Hot Air wants everyone to send Ben Nelson a three dollar donation.

Well, actually, he wants everyone to send him thirty dimes, but...something tells me this is going to be even less effective than mailing rock salt to Olympia Snowe.

50 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:27:17am

re: #46 Gus 802

Sure can.

TCOT the supreme butthurt!

Senate also approved production of this "soylent green" stuff. Way 2 keep eyes on the ball, #tcot

heh.
Also:


RT @Kirkland1244 I'm surprised #tcot didnt notice amendment giving Alaska back to the Russians and revoking Palin's citizenship.

RT @Dasani_01: Don't worry #tcot you too will receive health care in the FEMA camps! #tcot #hcr #P2 #GOP #rwnj

51 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:27:23am

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

Interesting, as I have gone down this thread, there seems to be more interest in other blogs than LGF.

I like LGF, I like to spend my blog time here, Hot Air must enjoy all the publicity they get.

How's that? Charles has made direct links to them before. Unless you've seen otherwise I think the norm has been set. No?

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:27:24am

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

Interesting, as I have gone down this thread, there seems to be more interest in other blogs than LGF.

I like LGF, I like to spend my blog time here, Hot Air must enjoy all the publicity they get.

It's the middle of night, Walter. If you guys were posting more, I'd be reading you.

53 Jolo5309  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:27:59am

I can only assume the people at HA are actually computer generated facsimiles designed for other's enjoyment. I clicked all the links and found the death threat for simplesimon bizarrre. I never read what simplesimon wrote, if one of you has seen the deathworthy prose, can you repost it here?

54 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:29:03am

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

Interesting, as I have gone down this thread, there seems to be more interest in other blogs than LGF.

LGF is not a biosphere sealed off from the rest of the world.
We are noting and commenting on the reaction to the health care vote, as evidenced on, for example, HotAir and #tcot.

55 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:30:55am

re: #53 Jolo5309

I can only assume the people at HA are actually computer generated facsimiles designed for other's enjoyment. I clicked all the links and found the death threat for simplesimon bizarrre. I never read what simplesimon wrote, if one of you has seen the deathworthy prose, can you repost it here?

I'm not certain, but I believe 'simplesimon' is a lib there. If he is who I'm thinking of, the deathworthy prose could have been something as simple as "this bill is a great thing".

56 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:31:19am

re: #51 Gus 802

How's that? Charles has made direct links to them before. Unless you've seen otherwise I think the norm has been set. No?

What do you mean "how's that." My point is very clear. I didn't say there was anything "wrong" with linking to Hot Air, did I? No, of course not. All I said it's interesting that Hot Air gets so much publicity here.

I like LGF, I really don't care about Hot Air.

57 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:32:09am

Yep. TFK rules are history. Get over it.re: #56 Walter L. Newton

What do you mean "how's that." My point is very clear. I didn't say there was anything "wrong" with linking to Hot Air, did I? No, of course not. All I said it's interesting that Hot Air gets so much publicity here.

I like LGF, I really don't care about Hot Air.

I know. Well, we pick on Hot Air here. That's a fact. They deserve it too.

58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:32:17am

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

It's the middle of night, Walter. If you guys were posting more, I'd be reading you.

Ok, I see.

59 Jolo5309  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:33:11am

re: #55 iceweasel

Or even "I think the bill is good for the United States"?

You gotta love death threats for being taken seriously.

60 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:34:40am

re: #57 Gus 802

Yep. TFK rules are history. Get over it.

I know. Well, we pick on Hot Air here. That's a fact. They deserve it too.

Where are you getting all this from. I didn't say anything about "picking" on Hot Air. And what are "tfk rules." You are certainly extrapolating far beyond anything I am stating.

What's wrong?

61 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:35:09am
Obama wants unemployment. He wants us to be slaves to government. CALHOUN. #tcot #teaparty

Nice. is that calhoun bit some sort of secessionist reference?

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:36:16am

re: #61 iceweasel

Nice. is that calhoun bit some sort of secessionist reference?

I'm guessing so.

63 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:36:44am

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Where are you getting all this from. I didn't say anything about "picking" on Hot Air. And what are "tfk rules." You are certainly extrapolating far beyond anything I am stating.

What's wrong?

Just having fun. I'm saying that things have changed.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:36:55am

I'm tired again. Going to sleep. Hope to wake up well.

65 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:37:39am

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm tired again. Going to sleep. Hope to wake up well.

Later SFZ.

66 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:38:34am

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm tired again. Going to sleep. Hope to wake up well.

feel better!

67 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:38:49am

re: #63 Gus 802

Just having fun. I'm saying that things have changed.

I'm not having fun. What has changed? Seriously, I'm missing something here because I have NO idea what you are talking about.

Sorry, that's ok, have fun. My problem, not yours, you're fine. Enjoy.

68 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:40:37am

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

I'm not having fun. What has changed? Seriously, I'm missing something here because I have NO idea what you are talking about.

Sorry, that's ok, have fun. My problem, not yours, you're fine. Enjoy.

The Health Care bill passed on a procedural vote. We're just goofing on the Archie Bunkerisms.

69 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:45:33am

Man, I have really got to stop reading the comments at the rabid wingnut sites, it is just too damn depressing. They honestly seem to look forward the end of civilization and the rule of law. Someone needs to take away their F.P.S. video games or something until they come back to reality.

70 Jolo5309  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:48:08am

re: #69 ausador

Man, I have really got to stop reading the comments at the rabid wingnut sites, it is just too damn depressing. They honestly seem to look forward the end of civilization and the rule of law. Someone needs to take away their F.P.S. video games or something until they come back to reality.

My nephew suffers from that...

One thing that always strikes me with regards to those that want society to end. Chances are, they will not end up winners, they will end up fly food...

71 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:48:21am

Wow, now I went back and read upread and find out my comment is actually on topic for once...talk about dumb luck. :)

72 Gus  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:48:53am

We need something better on VDARE and Michelle Malkin.

73 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:58:40am

re: #53 Jolo5309

I can only assume the people at HA are actually computer generated facsimiles designed for other's enjoyment. I clicked all the links and found the death threat for simplesimon bizarrre. I never read what simplesimon wrote, if one of you has seen the deathworthy prose, can you repost it here?

Oh here we go: this is what earned simplesimon a death threat:
(yes, he is the token lib there, and in response to someone from NE shrieking about how Ben Nelson is judas, he dared to say this:)

Blah, blah, blah. You can’t even be bothered to join your fellow cornhusking zeroes for their little protest today. Well played, internet patriot!

I guess pointing out that someone is an internet patriot warrants a death squad of internet ninjas.

74 Jolo5309  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:03:49am

re: #73 iceweasel

Remind me not to post on HA.... ever.

I am a Canadian, so I am pretty much walking lockstep with Che to them.

75 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:05:05am

re: #73 iceweasel

The ugly-o-sphere could use a good dose of Christmas music... alas, I know of no ugly-wing blog that has a webmaster with the html-fu of Charles...

76 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:08:26am

re: #74 Jolo5309

Remind me not to post on HA... ever.

I am a Canadian, so I am pretty much walking lockstep with Che to them.

You don't want to post there. I love a good argument and I have no problem with being outnumbered, but simplesimon has to have some kind of problem of his own to be stirring up that hornet's nest:

You real americans need to stop whining! You guys lost – BADLY, in 06 and 08. Your opinions dont matter. Your america is long gone.

Enjoy!

simplesimon on December 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Predictably, they are losing their minds.

77 Jolo5309  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:11:13am

re: #76 iceweasel

That bit by simplesimon is a brilliant piece of trolling. I doff my cap to him.

And now i go to bed, since I get up in 4 hours.

78 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:15:50am

re: #76 iceweasel

I have an account over there, but have never posted. It is not under this nom de plume, though those familiar with my writing here could probably spot me if I posted over there.

79 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:25:39am

re: #41 freetoken

Given that Drudge now lists HotAir, as well as FreeRepublic, under his list of "news" sites, I suspect that the traffic sent HA's way by links in LGF comments is down in the noise.

The MM/Beck wing of the American body politic is now well self-defined and self-referring. Fortunately they are a minority of Americans. IMO the big loser in this is the GOP as it is now the farthest away from its origins as it has ever been.

I'm just sayin', is all.

Me, I don't even want to be part of their noise.

80 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:31:00am

I see that Washington, DC passed a gay marriage bill with an overwhelming majority the other day, and the mayor has said he'll sign it.

Because of the peculiarities of DC's charter, the measure now must be approved by the US Congress. This is normally a rubber stamp procedure, but as might be expected this is already generating considerable heat.

It's also not clear where this will leave Clinton's Defense of Marriage Act.

81 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:42:46am

re: #80 SixDegrees

I see that Washington, DC passed a gay marriage bill with an overwhelming majority the other day, and the mayor has said he'll sign it.

Because of the peculiarities of DC's charter, the measure now must be approved by the US Congress. This is normally a rubber stamp procedure, but as might be expected this is already generating considerable heat.

It's also not clear where this will leave Clinton's Defense of Marriage Act.

Bring Obama under more pressure to fulfill his promises to the gay community in re: DOMA and DADT, is my guess. (altho Obama went back on the campaign promises on DOMA and defended it in the spring, I think)

82 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:44:06am

I did my annual Chirstmas Trip To The Mall yesterday. I always make it a point to go to the mall the weekend before Christmas. I pick up stocking stuffers and gag gifts, and generally spend my time trying to be nice to the clerks. If you've worked retail during the holidays, you know those people are on their last nerve at this point, and sometimes a kind, smiling customer can make all the difference.

Anyway, I've gotta say: the mall was dead for this time of year. There didn't seem to be any more traffic than on any normal Sunday - typically a slow day anyway. Plenty of parking, most stores had no more than a couple of people in them, no crowds in the hallways.

Not a good sign for retailers, at least at the brick and mortar level.

My bold prediction is that retail sales will be down significantly this year.

83 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:49:16am

re: #81 iceweasel

Bring Obama under more pressure to fulfill his promises to the gay community in re: DOMA and DADT, is my guess. (altho Obama went back on the campaign promises on DOMA and defended it in the spring, I think)

I don't think the President acts on DC matters; I think it's purely Congressional. But I might be wrong.

84 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:49:40am

re: #82 SixDegrees


Anyway, I've gotta say: the mall was dead for this time of year. There didn't seem to be any more traffic than on any normal Sunday - typically a slow day anyway. Plenty of parking, most stores had no more than a couple of people in them, no crowds in the hallways.

Not a good sign for retailers, at least at the brick and mortar level.

My bold prediction is that retail sales will be down significantly this year.

I'm sure you're right. Add to it the major snowstorms keeping people on the east coast at home, who would have shopped -- and on the last weekend before xmas too. Isn't this the biggest sales weekend, or the second biggest after Black friday? Disaster.

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:49:48am

re: #82 SixDegrees

The last time I went to the mall was about 1992. I started at one end, hit all the stores I needed and walked straight through to the other side. Walked around the outside of the mall to get back to my car. Now my local mall is a hang out for 2 gangs: Young punks asses and elderly people.

86 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:53:27am

re: #83 SixDegrees

I don't think the President acts on DC matters; I think it's purely Congressional. But I might be wrong.

Oh, I don't know if he does or doesn't; I just mean that it is going to increase pressure from gay rights groups in general about DOMA, regardless of the final outcome in DC. They weren't at all happy about the lack of action on DADT and DOMA in May and June, and other progressives essentially told them to shut up and quit whining until health care was in the bag. (That was the sentiment I saw a lot).
There was a sort of grudging agreement by them to wait on the issue. This will likely bring it to the boil again.

87 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:54:35am

Morning Lizards.

About to hit the road up north for Christmas. Going to Roanoke to pick up my MIL (hi FBV!) then on to Ohio for Christmas with my SIL and her family.

88 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:55:20am

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

The last time I went to the mall was about 1992. I started at one end, hit all the stores I needed and walked straight through to the other side. Walked around the outside of the mall to get back to my car. Now my local mall is a hang out for 2 gangs: Young punks asses and elderly people.

I've done all my main shopping over the Internet for several years now, but I always go to the mall anyway, as noted. With all the shopping pressure removed, I actually kind of like the holiday buzz.

But traffic is down noticeably this year over anything I've seen in the recent past.

I expect we'll see another round of layoffs shortly, as retailers calculate their balance sheets.

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:55:41am

re: #87 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards.

About to hit the road up north for Christmas. Going to Roanoke to pick up my MIL (hi FBV!) then on to Ohio for Christmas with my SIL and her family.

You do know it actually snows up there, right? Morning.

90 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:58:14am

BTW-- as predicted, the right wing reaction to HCR is to conspiracy monger about it being 'rammed through', the lateness of the hour, and in general give the impression that it's all very sneaky and sinister-- at least, if the WSJ opEd is anything to go by:

Change Nobody Believes In
A bill so reckless that it has to be rammed through on a partisan vote on Christmas eve.

Sample quote:

The rushed, secretive way that a bill this destructive and unpopular is being forced on the country shows that "reform" has devolved into the raw exercise of political power for the single purpose of permanently expanding the American entitlement state.

About what I expected.

91 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:58:22am

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

You do know it actually snows up there, right? Morning.

Yea, we were supposed to leave yesterday! Delayed due to the snow.

BBL

92 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 1:59:21am

re: #87 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards.

About to hit the road up north for Christmas. Going to Roanoke to pick up my MIL (hi FBV!) then on to Ohio for Christmas with my SIL and her family.

Safe driving and happy holidays!

93 SixDegrees  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:01:37am

re: #86 iceweasel

Oh, I don't know if he does or doesn't; I just mean that it is going to increase pressure from gay rights groups in general about DOMA, regardless of the final outcome in DC. They weren't at all happy about the lack of action on DADT and DOMA in May and June, and other progressives essentially told them to shut up and quit whining until health care was in the bag. (That was the sentiment I saw a lot).
There was a sort of grudging agreement by them to wait on the issue. This will likely bring it to the boil again.

Could be. It'll certainly stir up the nutballs, which is fine by me at this point; they're increasingly marginalizing themselves anyway. One pastor, commenting on the DC bill, said something along the lines of it being a victory for Satan in his attempt to destroy America by cutting off it's head...or something. He was a little hard to follow.

94 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:09:37am

re: #90 iceweasel

How can something be "secretive" when it has been discussed for months in public, is the main news item for domestic news, and will now go to conference with the House in what will be the most publicized political scene for the coming month?

95 freetoken  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:15:56am

re: #88 SixDegrees

As far as I am concerned, "the mall" is a relic of a pallid culture, devoid of life and a monument to a crass materialism, the manifestation of a synthetic belief system born of envy.

96 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:18:48am

re: #94 freetoken

How can something be "secretive" when it has been discussed for months in public, is the main news item for domestic news, and will now go to conference with the House in what will be the most publicized political scene for the coming month?

I know. I predicted downthread that the predominant rightwing meme on this would be that it's passage was 'secretive', 'rushed', and they'd focus on it being done 'in the dead of night'. (they will also focus on the 'partisan' nature of the bill).
Reality isn't a barrier to them. Reality would remind them of your points above, remind them that the republicans were dtermined to vote in a block against it, regardless of what was or was not in it, and the 'lateness of the hour' is due to republican delays (and fun little tricks like 'forgetting' their voting cards and the like in order to delay votes. )

Never mind. This is all a giant surprise, rushed through in the dead of night during a snowstorm, all to trick the American people. (this will be the wingnut meme, you betcha--that and focusing on the so-called partisan nature of the vote).

97 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:18:51am

Egypt raises alert as Hamas plans to protest new Gaza barrier

Egypt security forces along the border with the Gaza Strip have raised their readiness level over a Hamas rally planned for Monday, organized to protest the a new underground barrier, Israel Radio quoted a Sinai-based German news agency as saying on Sunday.

The barrier, which is to be comprised of enormous slates of steel, reaching deep into the ground, is meant to aid security forces in preventing cross-border smuggling tunnels.

On Saturday, security officials said Gazans shot at Egyptians installing the underground metal barrier meant to seal cross-border smuggling tunnels.

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:21:50am

re: #97 Sharmuta

Egypt raises alert as Hamas plans to protest new Gaza barrier

Did anyone like the UN complain about this? Could you imagine if the US even hinted at doing something like this on the southern border?

99 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:26:42am

Jack Bauer interrogates Santa..

100 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:29:37am

Iran braces for protests as 'up to 1m' attend funeral of reformist cleric

Hundreds of thousand of mourners, many chanting anti-government slogans, reportedly gathered in the Iranian city of Qom for the funeral today of leading reformist cleric Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri.

Defying a heavy presence of security forces the funeral became a rallying point for further protests against the disputed re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

101 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:38:39am

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did anyone like the UN complain about this? Could you imagine if the US even hinted at doing something like this on the southern border?

Amazing, isn't it? Where are the condemnations of Egypt from other countries?

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:41:10am

re: #101 Sharmuta

Amazing, isn't it? Where are the condemnations of Egypt from other countries?

In the end it will be Israel's fault.

103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:54:26am

Who, when they saw the open thread quote, at first thought it was from "The Velveteen Rabbit"?

104 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:54:50am

Iran's "Men in Hijabs"

"The initiator of this incident was not the opposition but the government showing a picture of a leader of the protest movement wearing the hijab, as if he was hiding and trying to run away," he said. "They were trying to say 'We are the manly Revolutionary Guard and you are all sissies hired by Westerners.' In other words it was supposed to serve the government in their psychological warfare against the opposition."

"But the opposition said 'Fine if we are sissies, then we are all sissies, but we have no hang ups or inhibitions and we support equal rights for women'," Dr Pardo said. "So it may seem like a stunt but it's actually a major challenge to the regime."

"You have to understand the background," he added. "Using dress as a tool of repression or asserting a central authority is common across the Middle East and particularly in Iran. As such, taking off the hijab has been seen as a symbol of freedom in Iran since the beginning in the mid-19th century and this has been constant both before and after the Islamic revolution. So what we are seeing today on these websites is the use of women as a symbol of freedom and the beginning of a process of resistance to this new Islamic regime."

105 ryannon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 2:56:23am

One does not become fully human painlessly.

— Rollo May


Teh stupid, it burns!

= Anon.

106 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:08:41am

NPR reports:

The hot fashion items for this season? Short skirts, tight jeans with long boots, and short jackets for cold days.

That may not sound exceptional, or even very trendy, but this is the fashion forecast from Baghdad, where the climate for more revealing women's wear has been steadily improving. Many Iraqi women say it is a sign of returning security and freedom after years of war and sectarian tensions.

The new look can be found at the clothing shop of Ali Mohammed, a 25-year-old entrepreneur whose customers are young women, many of them college students. Mohammed boasts that his fashion line is for the modern Iraqi woman, not what he deprecatingly calls "classic designs for classic ladies."

107 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:16:36am

Israel holds crucial meeting on prisoner swap

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his top ministers on Monday debated whether to approve an emotionally charged deal to trade 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for an Israeli soldier held by Gaza militants for more than three years.

Netanyahu and six ministers had met three times on Sunday, including a session that lasted late into the night. With the group divided over the proposed deal, Netanyahu could well bring the final decision to a vote in his full Cabinet.

At a protest tent outside the prime minister's official residence, dozens of demonstrators carried cardboard cutouts of the captured soldier, 23-year-old Sgt. Gilad Schalit, and urged Cabinet ministers to wrap up an agreement.

108 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:17:53am

Byron York, again with the 'middle of the night' meme:

Who's responsible for the Senate's middle-of-the-night vote?

Yeah, I think it's fair to say this will be the official wingnut meme.

109 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:23:15am

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did anyone like the UN complain about this? Could you imagine if the US even hinted at doing something like this on the southern border?

Southern border? You assume a lot Canadian Club.

110 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:26:58am

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Southern border? You assume a lot Canadian Club.

I live in Florida. My southern border is the Caribbean.:)

111 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:27:41am

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, the Florida Straights. My bad...

112 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:28:00am

Is this really where the GOP should be spending political capital?

Heated debate again over 'War on Christmas' claims

Republican Rep. Henry Brown of South Carolina introduced a resolution this month asking that the House express support for the use of Christmas symbols and traditions and frown on any attempt to ban references to the holiday.

"Each year, I could see a diminishing value of the spiritual part of Christmas," Brown said. "It would seem like another group would go from the Christmas spirit to the holiday spirit."

"What I'm afraid of -- if we don't bring some kind of closure to this continuous change, then in 20 years it will almost be completely different from what we see today ... and so we would lose the whole emphasis of what the very early beginnings of Christmas was all about."

So far, the resolution has one Democrat and 72 Republicans as co-sponsors. The House hasn't taken it up, but the chamber adopted similar resolutions in the past.

113 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:32:40am
One does not become fully human painlessly.

— Rollo May

Just ask your mother.

114 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:34:01am

re: #113 Sharmuta

Just ask your mother.

That's the reason I buy my mom chocolate on my birthday.

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:36:10am

Off to a short work day. BBL.

116 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:36:45am

re: #112 Sharmuta

Is this really where the GOP should be spending political capital?

Heated debate again over 'War on Christmas' claims

We need to hunt down that lone DINO and ride him out of town on a sleigh.

117 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:44:10am

Oliver Willis?! *snicker* Who gives a crap what that smear artist says?

118 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:55:13am

re: #117 Sharmuta

Oliver Willis?! *snicker* Who gives a crap what that smear artist says?

Meh, it's something funny. You'll note I haven't quoted his political analysis. Trust me, I'm not endorsing him for that.

119 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:56:43am

Iran cleric's mourners protest against government

Tens of thousands of Iranian mourners turned the funeral procession of the country's most senior dissident cleric into an anti-government protest Monday, chanting "death to the dictator" and slogans in support of the opposition amid heavy security.

Witnesses said security forces clamped down in Iran's holy city of Qom where massive crowds streamed in for the funeral rites for Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, who died Sunday at age 87.

One opposition Web site reported clashes outside Montazeri's home between security forces and mourners, who threw stones. Iranian authorities have barred foreign media from covering the rites, and witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of arrest.

120 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 3:57:52am

re: #118 iceweasel

Let us know when rodan cracks a funny.

121 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:00:38am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Let us know when rodan cracks a funny.

i doubt that will happen. Either that he would ever say anything funny, or that I'd be reporting on anything he says.

BTW--as I have now mentioned twice, I suspect that vid OW is tweeting is some kind of hoax or prank, which he appears to believe is true.

122 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:04:48am

This is the quietest hour I've ever noticed on LGF. Is it clock or calendar?

123 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:06:42am

I know this has been linked already:

Polish police recover Auschwitz gate sign, damaged

But I wanted to point out this, because I know a lot of us are wondering:

Police said it was too soon to say what the motive for the theft was but they are investigating whether the Nazi memorabilia market may have played a part. The suspects do not have known neo-Nazi or other far-right links, Rokita said.

124 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:07:13am

re: #122 Decatur Deb

This is the quietest hour I've ever noticed on LGF. Is it clock or calendar?

Both. Mondays at this time are always very slow anyway. IMO monday 4am-8am est is always slowest-- slower than the other days of the week at this time.

125 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:08:01am

re: #122 Decatur Deb

This is the quietest hour I've ever noticed on LGF. Is it clock or calendar?

Maybe it's because there are 9 people here.

126 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:09:19am

10

127 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:10:04am

re: #124 iceweasel

re: #125 Sharmuta

Yeah. I'm trying to keep from burning out, but haven't yet figured out a "best" time across the week and timezones.

128 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:11:23am

re: #126 Sharmuta

10

Probably 11 now. I cant sleep.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:12:13am

re: #126 Sharmuta

10

Mine goes to 11.

130 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:12:42am

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine goes to 11.

Baker's minyan.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:13:36am
132 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:13:45am

re: #128 ArchangelMichael

Probably 11 now. I cant sleep.

Why not? All ok?

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:14:17am

re: #130 Decatur Deb

I think I'm gonna call you "Deb Dude".

134 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:14:48am

re: #132 iceweasel

Why not? All ok?

I need to find something other than energy drinks to mix "stuff" with when I go out.

135 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:15:31am

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who wants to guess who lost the bet in this picture...
(second picture down)

Some good humor in the comments.

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:15:41am

re: #134 ArchangelMichael

I need to find something other than energy drinks to mix "stuff" with when I go out.

Somebody did some "Jaeger Bombs"!

137 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:16:21am

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Somebody did some "Jaeger Bombs"!

Well not tonight but I'm no stranger to them.

138 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:17:05am

re: #134 ArchangelMichael

Nothing worse than energetic drunks.

139 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:17:14am

The Second Funniest Thing I've Read Today:

Iran nuclear negotiator calls for atomic arms ban

140 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:19:36am

re: #139 Sharmuta

That's almost the only rational purpose in building an inadequate nuke arsenal.

141 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:20:07am

re: #134 ArchangelMichael

I need to find something other than energy drinks to mix "stuff" with when I go out.

You're a very naughty boy.


You were missed the other night. Some late night where we were talking about Joy Division and another band-- it was a thread we needed you to DJ.
142 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:22:21am

re: #134 ArchangelMichael

I need to find something other than energy drinks to mix "stuff" with when I go out.

Try juice. Why not get nutrients with your alcohol?

143 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:24:24am

re: #141 iceweasel

Sorry I missed it. I have been trying to get into work early so I'm not a regular LNDT fixture like I was. Since I have become single again, I'm trying to go out and do real life things, hence my dilemma this evening.

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:25:07am

re: #142 Sharmuta

Try juice. Why not get nutrients with your alcohol?

"Food makes me sick."
-The Waco Kid

145 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:25:30am

re: #142 Sharmuta

Try juice. Why not get nutrients with your alcohol?

There is still a lot of sugar in that though, but it is not nearly as bad as Red Bull, Monster, or Rockstar I guess.

146 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:26:10am

re: #145 ArchangelMichael

Oh and cheaper too...

147 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:26:59am

re: #143 ArchangelMichael

Sorry I missed it. I have been trying to get into work early so I'm not a regular LNDT fixture like I was. Since I have become single again, I'm trying to go out and do real life things, hence my dilemma this evening.

Blog wasted from a low dive. We won't snicker.

148 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:27:17am

re: #145 ArchangelMichael

There is still a lot of sugar in that though, but it is not nearly as bad as Red Bull, Monster, or Rockstar I guess.

Well- if you want sugar free, start drinking straight shots. :p

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:29:30am
150 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:29:52am

re: #143 ArchangelMichael

Sorry I missed it. I have been trying to get into work early so I'm not a regular LNDT fixture like I was. Since I have become single again, I'm trying to go out and do real life things, hence my dilemma this evening.

You're missed, but going out and interacting in the real world is an excellent idea-- one many netizens could do more of. I have this theory it would reduce online hostility and aggression. In some cases, anyway. With or without the alcohol. :-)

151 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:30:29am

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Steady as a rock."
"Yah but I shoot with this hand."

152 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:32:05am

lol

153 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:32:52am

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously, I can't get over how LGF is political discussion plus really excellent youtube clips. No kitties or stuff like that. I bookmark about one a day.

154 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:33:00am

re: #152 Sharmuta

lol

"Finally we're alone... Have you ever seen a crisp, 50 dollar bill?"

155 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:34:38am

That's more of an obscure movie reference that I think no one might get.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:35:43am

re: #153 suchislife

There are some seriously keen minds here. Some I agree with, some I don't, but I appreciate the intellect.

Ooops! I farted.

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:37:30am

re: #154 ArchangelMichael

Don't think I've ever seen anyone quote Caddyshack II.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:39:35am
159 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:39:54am

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't think I've ever seen anyone quote Caddyshack II.

That's the only line in the movie worth quoting as far as I remember. I think the woman he said it to was Sharon Stone in an uncredited cameo.

160 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:43:53am

Daybreak in CST. If it gets to 50 f. today, I'm laying shingles.

161 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:44:21am

The Death Panels Lie comes home to roost?

Backlash boots Palin from hospital fundraising

Palin has brought the American health care debate to Canada and it is causing a storm of controversy as concerned hospital supporters have protested her appearance to raise money for two local institutions in April.

The former vice-presidential candidate was supposed to speak at a fund-raising event for the Juravinski Cancer Centre and St. Peter’s Hospital in Hamilton. But a backlash of negative publicity cancelled those plans.

The Hamilton Health Sciences Foundation received about 60 angry calls and e-mails from residents since the event was announced last week. About 10 people said they would not be donating to any event in which Palin has a role.

162 tokyobk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:44:52am

Saw Avatar.

Visuals Amazing. The landscape awesome.

The story, the most boring going native, noble savage, evil white man, innocent native type fantasy you don't have to imagine because you have seen it 100 times.

If there is anything that annoys me it is the casting. Did Cameron really have to cast all the big simple, happy natives with African and Native American voices? Really? Is this where he is in the 21st century. Especially, since they were speaking an invented language (cool points) why did he need his cat people with tails to be "authentic" "minorities," the second in quotes since among earthlings (the presumed group invading the natural planet) in fact whites are a minority which does not seem to register with Cameron.

I can see angles from the so called right and left both arriving at the conclusion that the plot of Avatar is as poorly conceived as the technology is mastered in minute detail.

163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:45:21am

re: #153 suchislife

Lumbar Kitteh?

I can haz kittehs?

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:46:49am

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Daybreak in CST. If it gets to 50 f. today, I'm laying shingles.

Who's "Shingles"?

165 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:47:50am

re: #150 iceweasel

You're missed, but going out and interacting in the real world is an excellent idea-- one many netizens could do more of. I have this theory it would reduce online hostility and aggression. In some cases, anyway. With or without the alcohol. :-)

I have seen more concerts/live shows in the past 2 months than I have in the past 6 years.

Namely:


(except in San Diego, not Houston)

and


(Again in San Diego, not SLC)

Apparently no one filmed and/or put videos of them on YT from here.

166 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:53:02am

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who's "Shingles"?

Shingles is a harsh mistress.

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:53:14am

re: #162 tokyobk

So... you are saying they stole the plot from "Jetsons, The Movie"?

168 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:53:48am

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So... you are saying they stole the plot from "Jetsons, The Movie"?

Dances with Wolves and the Smurfs.

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:54:23am

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Shingles is a harsh mistress.

At least you didn't say "blowing bubbles".

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:54:54am

re: #168 ArchangelMichael

Dances with Wolves and the Smurfs.

[finger]

171 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:56:51am

First Cartman, now Cameron. But not all Smurfs can dance. Believe me!

172 Blueheron  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 4:58:25am

re: #9 SixDegrees

Auschwitz Sign Recovered; 5 Arrested.

Yes I saw that. They say they will put it back in place. Maybe instead they should put up a replica and place the original in the museum.

173 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:00:44am

re: #171 Sharmuta

First Cartman, now Cameron. But not all Smurfs can dance. Believe me!

NSFW

174 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:01:46am

re: #165 ArchangelMichael

I have seen more concerts/live shows in the past 2 months than I have in the past 6 years.

Namely:


[Video]
(Again in San Diego, not SLC)Apparently no one filmed and/or put videos of them on YT from here.

Excellent!
I'm glad you're going out. :-)

Speaking of which-- I have a plane to meet.

Have a lovely day, everyone, and I hope all your Festivas wishes come true.

175 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:14:24am

Shalits neither 'optimistic, nor pessimistic' on Hamas deal

The parents of abducted Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit met Monday with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as senior cabinet ministers broke from their fourth consecutive meeting on a proposed deal with Hamas to see the soldier freed after three years in captivity.

Noam Shalit, father of the abducted soldier, said following the meeting that the prime minister had given the family no new updates regarding the deal.

"There's no drama here, I have nothing new to say," said the elder Shalit. "The process is ongoing and should end soon.... We heard nothing new. [Netanyahu] updated us as much as he could. I am still not optimistic, nor am I pessimistic." The "forum of seven" ministers were to continue deliberating the possible prisoner exchange deal on Monday afternoon at 4 P.M.

176 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:16:21am

Some states 'held climate talks to ransom': Brown

Prime Minister Gordon Brown on Monday accused countries of holding the UN climate summit to ransom as bitter recriminations swirled over the outcome of the negotiations.

Summit host, Danish Prime Minister Lars Loekke Rasmussen, admitted leaders had been left with too much to do by their negotiators while Britain said the meeting had lurched into farce and pointed the finger of blame at China.

Brown warned that lessons must be learned from the way the negotiations were carried out.

"Never again should we face the deadlock that threatened to pull down those talks. Never again should we let a global deal to move towards a greener future be held to ransom by only a handful of countries," he said.

While Brown refrained from naming countries, his climate change minister Ed Miliband said China had led a group of countries that "hijacked" the negotiations which had at times presented "a farcical picture to the public".

177 blueherron  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:29:12am

re: #174 iceweasel

Excellent!
I'm glad you're going out. :-)

Speaking of which-- I have a plane to meet.

Have a lovely day, everyone, and I hope all your Festivas wishes come true.

[Video]

Best Christmas song ever. Have a wonderful wedding!

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:35:34am

re: #176 Sharmuta

I keep thinking of this...

It was dead on and scary.

179 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:36:06am

re: #176 Sharmuta

Some states 'held climate talks to ransom': Brown

I guess Brown didn't get the Obama memo about the "meaningful agreement...important breakthrough...great step forward...important pact.
Will Obama keep up the phony pretence ad nauseum, or will he too have the honesty and guts to call a spade a spade?

180 RogueOne  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:37:32am

Morning Folks

181 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:44:18am

re: #2 haakondahl

Congratulations to all you fucking nutters who blew up the Republican party.

It's awfully hard to blame the leftists for being leftists. The Commies and the Socialists will always do their thing, and we used to be able to stop them. Not anymore, thanks to you children who decided to "punish" the Republican Party by withholding your votes in 2006 and 2008.

At least you can comfort yourselves with the knowledge that you maintained your precious ideological purity. You sent the Democrats to the White House, and the Republicans to the nut house.

Enjoy the Poor House.

You brought a smile to my face this morning.

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:47:59am

re: #181 MandyManners

me too. Mornin' Mandy!

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:50:08am
184 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:52:43am

Morning all.


Happy Solstice!

185 RogueOne  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:52:49am

re: #10 iceweasel

oliver willis tweets:

[Video]

Is this some kind of hoax?

HaHaHa! His pc is racist. The guy has a good sense of humor about it but he'd better be careful, that pc might intentionally screw up his online banking, give out his passwords, and post all kinds of horrific stuff on 4Chan about him.

186 gregb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:54:17am

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did anyone like the UN complain about this? Could you imagine if the US even hinted at doing something like this on the southern border?

There's a Dec 19th pajamas article by Joseph Puder speculating if Egypt might go the way of Iran (circa '79). He says the parallels are there.

No link provided.

187 gregb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:55:44am

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree with Chavez? "Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria!"

That's funny. Reminds me of India changing the name of Bombay. I wonder how long it would take for the entire US-hating world to change the name of every US influenced person, place, or thing?

188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:56:41am

re: #184 Jadespring

Happy Solstice!

And to you...

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:57:57am

re: #187 gregb

I really don't have a problem with it. US folks can call it Angel Falls forever, but they had it named before we saw it.

Everest has its native name... that's cool, too. Bombay had a name before we showed up.

190 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:58:56am

The winter solstice is so depressing - in only six months the days will start getting shorter again.

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:59:51am

re: #190 Spare O'Lake

LET THE S.A.D. (Seasonal Affective Disorder) COMMENCE!

192 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:01:41am

re: #182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

me too. Mornin' Mandy!

Good morning, FBV! Did you get any of that pretty white stuff?

193 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:01:56am

re: #190 Spare O'Lake

The winter solstice is so depressing - in only six months the days will start getting shorter again.

LOL. Are you a glass half empty sorta guy? :)

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:02:23am

re: #187 gregb

That's funny. Reminds me of India changing the name of Bombay. I wonder how long it would take for the entire US-hating world to change the name of every US influenced person, place, or thing?

If extra terrestrials showed up and called re-named Washington, DC the word that described "Place of incredible corruption" we'd still call it Washington. (at least until we learned how to pronounce it in their language)...

And... I doubt they would say, "Kneel before Zod."

Just sayin'.

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:02:44am

re: #192 MandyManners

Good morning, FBV! Did you get any of that pretty white stuff?

Ain'tcha funny.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:03:54am

re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And to you...

I hope folks listen to that. Nice.

197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:05:14am

Idiots in my area have been calling 911 trying to get their streets plowed.

Seriously, hell must be full.

198 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:05:17am

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope folks listen to that. Nice.

I wish I could. Would take me a hour or so to load it though. :(

199 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:06:40am

re: #193 Jadespring

LOL. Are you a glass half empty sorta guy? :)

I'd rather go thirsty than be disappointed again.
;(

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:07:04am

re: #198 Jadespring

George Winston, "Jesu Joy of Men's Desiring", and "The Holly and the Ivy" from the CD "December".

201 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:09:24am

....Let me state the obvious,if I may!
Our elected officials are nothing more than whores!!
....Just move the decimal point!!
[deleted]

202 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:10:22am

re: #201 reloadingisnotahobby

...Let me state the obvious,if I may!
Our elected officials are nothing more than whores!!
...Just move the decimal point!!
[deleted]

At least from a whore you get what you pay for.

203 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:11:21am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

George Winston, "Jesu Joy of Men's Desiring", and "The Holly and the Ivy" from the CD "December".

Both beautiful pieces.

I just turned on the Christmas music channel so maybe they will come on at some point.

204 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:11:33am

Oh.....Good morning all!
I have reiterated the fact that I SUCK at wrapping gifts!!

205 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:11:52am

re: #201 reloadingisnotahobby

I never really understood that one. I mean, it seems to me that people mean either corrupt or a fraud when they call politicians whores. But sex workers are neither. ???

206 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:12:21am

re: #204 reloadingisnotahobby

Oh...Good morning all!
I have reiterated the fact that I SUCK at wrapping gifts!!

I solved that problem by just using gift bags.

207 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:12:22am

Blech. Home sick, and I can't sleep. May as well hang out here, but I'll probably lurk mostly.

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:12:43am

re: #204 reloadingisnotahobby

Oh...Good morning all!
I have reiterated the fact that I SUCK at wrapping gifts!!

Can you see what is wrapped?

(my only criteria)

209 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:13:06am

re: #207 vxbush

Blech. Home sick, and I can't sleep. May as well hang out here, but I'll probably lurk mostly.

Yuck. Take care of yourself.

210 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:13:07am

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ain'tcha funny.

Ah. Gauging from this and your No. 197, I take it you did get some snow.

Have you built a snowman yet?


211 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:13:09am

re: #202 Spare O'Lake

re: #205 suchislife

Point takin!
My appoligies to any present or past Whores!!
My bad...............

212 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:14:01am

re: #211 reloadingisnotahobby

Not really a criticism! everybody and their sister says it. It's just weird, right?

213 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:14:10am

re: #209 Jadespring

Yuck. Take care of yourself.

{Jade} Thanks.

214 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:14:20am

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's what those little scraps of wrap are for...patchwork!!
;^)

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:14:40am

re: #210 MandyManners

Snow is to be enjoyed from this side of the window.

216 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:14:53am

re: #207 vxbush

Blech. Home sick, and I can't sleep. May as well hang out here, but I'll probably lurk mostly.

I had the creeping crud starting Thursday. I hope you get better soon!

217 albusteve  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:15:03am

interesting peek into the past....some Elvis lore

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

218 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:15:15am

re: #205 suchislife

I never really understood that one. I mean, it seems to me that people mean either corrupt or a fraud when they call politicians whores. But sex workers are neither. ???

"Sex workers" makes them sound like commie ants.

219 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:15:42am

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

...So your locked out AGAIN???

220 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:16:51am

re: #216 MandyManners

I had the creeping crud starting Thursday. I hope you get better soon!

{Mandy} Thanks. Now, how do I figure out if I have the creeping crud or the regular sliding crud?

221 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:17:11am

re: #218 Spare O'Lake

Really? How so? Which part makes you think of ants, and which of commies? Again, this is not something I have much of a problem with. Just something I don't get.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:17:21am

re: #210 MandyManners

These are too funny...

223 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:17:55am

The snow is gone....no white Christmas for the grandkids!
Tooooo Baddd!;^)

224 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:19:46am

Snowing again where I am but that's normal.

225 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:20:07am

re: #220 vxbush

{Mandy} Thanks. Now, how do I figure out if I have the creeping crud or the regular sliding crud?

Med.com?

226 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:20:15am

re: #223 reloadingisnotahobby

The snow is gone...no white Christmas for the grandkids!
Tooo Baddd!;^)

We got a possible white christmas building up for Colorado, which, if it goes as the weatherman are planning, it will be an outright blizzard for the plains, Kansas east.

They will know more by Wed.

227 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:22:29am

re: #221 suchislife

Really? How so? Which part makes you think of ants, and which of commies? Again, this is not something I have much of a problem with. Just something I don't get.

It's just that I would prefer something a bit more marketable...like "pleasure suppliers" or "carnal satisfaction contractors".

228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:22:55am

re: #219 reloadingisnotahobby

Good memory.

229 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:23:58am

re: #225 MandyManners

Med.com?

More likely crud.com.

230 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:24:08am

re: #226 Walter L. Newton
We may some but No. Utah gets the brunt!
I'm ok with that!

Be safe and warm Walter!

231 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:24:32am

re: #227 Spare O'Lake

Well it's not a term I made up.
[Link: www.google.com...]

232 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:24:42am

re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good memory.

.........It's a gift!!

233 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25:06am

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

These are too funny...

One billion up-dings!

234 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25:51am

Well, since they didn't get anything binding on the Settled Science in Copenhagen, and the weak agreement they did work up is about as much "law" as yesterdays news, Gordon Brown is calling in the police...

A new global body dedicated to environmental stewardship is needed to prevent a repeat of the deadlock which undermined the Copenhagen climate change summit, Gordon Brown will say tomorrow.

I'm actually pleased with the outcome of Copenhagen. For once self-serving politics have at least delayed a world-wide tragedy... the rape of the west.

235 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:27:25am

re: #229 vxbush

More likely crud.com.

It started with a bacterial infection in my chest then spread to my nose then back to my chest. I went to a weekend clinic yesterday and got steroid shot that did a lot for me.

236 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:27:25am

re: #234 Walter L. Newton

....and Denmark is going to plant thousands of trees
for the Carbon off set!!
...Dogs are rejoicing!!

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:27:43am
238 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:28:18am

re: #235 MandyManners

Careful with the Steriods....You'll start sounding like Arnold!!

239 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:28:38am

re: #230 reloadingisnotahobby

We may some but No. Utah gets the brunt!
I'm ok with that!

Be safe and warm Walter!

I will. Technically, I have three weeks off now until I start working on our first show of the 2010 season. I have one concert to run on Jan. 2nd, but other than that, nothing to do at the theatre.

But, I may not even have that job by the new year, since I am going to an interview in an hour for a retail position that is at least minimum wage, full time with benefits and would bring me about 400 dollars more a month than the theatre.

I can't live much longer on the salary I am getting at the theatre, not since they cut it 55 percent in Sept.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:30:42am

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

I still admire the fuck out of you, did you know that?

241 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:31:37am

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MANDY!

Oh, yeah? Define "well-adjusted."

242 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:32:00am

re: #235 MandyManners

It started with a bacterial infection in my chest then spread to my nose then back to my chest. I went to a weekend clinic yesterday and got steroid shot that did a lot for me.

Yuck. Steroids in such limited conditions can be good. I might need to get a small batch myself; I've got a spot in a sinus that keeps getting yucky, but never turns into an infection.

243 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:32:10am

re: #238 reloadingisnotahobby

Careful with the Steriods...You'll start sounding like Arnold!!

Not that kind but, it did give me an incredible boost.

244 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:32:11am

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I still admire the fuck out of you, did you know that?

Thank you very much, unless that was meant as more than a man love sort of comment :)

245 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:32:16am

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MANDY!

Perfect. I love these. Love them, love them.

246 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:33:16am

re: #243 MandyManners

Not that kind but, it did give me an incredible boost.

I usually just get one day of energy, but I use it for all its worth.

247 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:34:05am

re: #243 MandyManners

Not that kind but, it did give me an incredible boost.

Want company? (joke, stay well, lousy week to get sick).

248 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:35:26am

re: #242 vxbush

Yuck. Steroids in such limited conditions can be good. I might need to get a small batch myself; I've got a spot in a sinus that keeps getting yucky, but never turns into an infection.

The problem for me is that I cannot swallow pills so everything must come in liquid form or through the end of a needle.

249 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:37:08am

re: #248 MandyManners

The problem for me is that I cannot swallow pills so everything must come in liquid form or through the end of a needle.

You can't swallow pills? A gag reflex issue? How annoying. Even my disabled son can swallow pills, although he has to have applesauce to coat the pill so he can swallow it.

250 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:38:10am

re: #246 vxbush

I usually just get one day of energy, but I use it for all its worth.

I got mine around 5:00 p.m. yesterday but I didn't have any trouble going to sleep. I have an eight-day course of predinsolone to take, too.

This is my first cup of coffee since Wednesday. Yes, I've been too sick to make coffee.

251 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:38:50am

re: #247 Walter L. Newton

Want company? (joke, stay well, lousy week to get sick).

Oh, I'm perfect now. Vx is sick. (Thanks anyway, Walter.)

252 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:39:15am

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

Good luck Walter!!

253 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:39:28am

re: #251 MandyManners

Oh, I'm perfect now. Vx is sick. (Thanks anyway, Walter.)

Ha... vxbush, Mandy is pimping me off on you... LOL.

254 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:40:16am

re: #249 vxbush

You can't swallow pills? A gag reflex issue? How annoying. Even my disabled son can swallow pills, although he has to have applesauce to coat the pill so he can swallow it.

Massive gag reflex. Heck, I can't even pick up a pill to swallow without hyperventilation kicking in.

255 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:40:47am

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Ha... vxbush, Mandy is pimping me off on you... LOL.

Well, you're welcome to come over, but if you want coffee you have to bring it yourself, as I have no coffeemaker and don't drink coffee. And you should probably bring your own chair, as all the chairs are being used right now.

But sure, come on over. :D

256 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:41:16am

Well it looks like I have a new cat. When we moved in here there was this cat on the property, I expect maybe the previous owners had it, though not sure. It had no interest in going inside and mainly hung out around the barn. It got to the point where he would let you pet him and would hang out with me in the garden. Last couple of winters we made a cozy cat cave in the leanto greenhouse and gave him food. He survived okay.

Two days ago I opened the basement door and the cat dashed inside and hid somewhere in a stack of boxes. Damn. My other cats of course came down to check out this new thing. Yesterday I put some food and water out and he came out. For the first time ever he let me pick him up. He was all purry and cuddly and as much as I tried I just could put him back out into the cold and blowing snow. I'm a big suck. So I made a deal with him. Show me that you'll use a litter box and you can stay in the basement.

Well I just went down and not only was he using the litter box but was hanging out with one of my other cats as if they had known each other forever.

Guess that settles it. Welcome to the family Petey.

257 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:42:37am

re: #252 reloadingisnotahobby

Good luck Walter!!

Thanks... I hoping. I'm one of those kind of people that likes to work, likes to take care of my obligations and do it on my own as well as possible. I get a lot of joy working. Granted, I get more satisfaction programming, but I would rather work 40 hours doing something, than doing almost nothing, or doing something that barely satisfies my "take care of my obligations" rule.

258 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:42:41am

re: #254 MandyManners

Massive gag reflex. Heck, I can't even pick up a pill to swallow without hyperventilation kicking in.

Wow. That's rather fascinating, actually. I won't tell you the number of pills I take each day; you might get permanently stuck on hyperventilation.

{Mandy}

I have a friend who could never wear contacts because his eyes were so sensitive he would start clawing at his eyes every time they tried to put a lens in.

259 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:44:07am

re: #257 Walter L. Newton
Wait a minute...This means you won't be HERE for
morning coffee???
There is a down side...!

260 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:44:07am

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

Thanks... I hoping. I'm one of those kind of people that likes to work, likes to take care of my obligations and do it on my own as well as possible. I get a lot of joy working. Granted, I get more satisfaction programming, but I would rather work 40 hours doing something, than doing almost nothing, or doing something that barely satisfies my "take care of my obligations" rule.

I prefer programming as a periodic diversion, not a full-time occupation. But that's just me. If you can get this full-time job, more power to you!

261 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:45:38am

re: #260 vxbush

I prefer programming as a periodic diversion, not a full-time occupation. But that's just me. If you can get this full-time job, more power to you!

I'm a programmer of 30 years, but can't get work anymore. I'll take the retail... like I say, I like the work, and the salary cut at the theatre of 55 percent this pass Sept. 2009 is starting to catch up with me when it comes to personal obligations.

I can't let that happen.

262 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:46:13am

re: #259 reloadingisnotahobby

Wait a minute...This means you won't be HERE for
morning coffee???
There is a down side...!

Not if he has a good cell phone. It'll be like he never left.

263 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:47:03am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

I'm a programmer of 30 years, but can't get work anymore. I'll take the retail... like I say, I like the work, and the salary cut at the theatre of 55 percent this pass Sept. 2009 is starting to catch up with me when it comes to personal obligations.

I can't let that happen.

No, I can appreciate that. I'm trying to figure out how to increase income myself, given medical costs in this area are going up again.

264 Locker  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:47:58am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

I'm a programmer of 30 years, but can't get work anymore. I'll take the retail... like I say, I like the work, and the salary cut at the theatre of 55 percent this pass Sept. 2009 is starting to catch up with me when it comes to personal obligations.

I can't let that happen.

Just throwing it out there as there is a constant open exam for programmers here:

[Link: jobs.ca.gov...]

265 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:48:28am

Hey Lizards!

Who wants to be human anyway? I'd reallly rather be a cat.
(shhh, Cat Overlord is looking over my shoulder)

How are you-all this morning?

266 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:48:48am

re: #258 vxbush

Wow. That's rather fascinating, actually. I won't tell you the number of pills I take each day; you might get permanently stuck on hyperventilation.

{Mandy}

I have a friend who could never wear contacts because his eyes were so sensitive he would start clawing at his eyes every time they tried to put a lens in.

Mine's pyschological due to PTSD.

267 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:49:44am

re: #264 Locker
You are aware that Calif... can't meet thier own payroll ...?
I'd add an LOL ...but it's not ...LOL

268 Locker  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:50:23am

re: #267 reloadingisnotahobby

You are aware that Calif... can't meet thier own payroll ...?
I'd add an LOL ...but it's not ...LOL

I work for the state here and they are meeting their payroll just fine.

269 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:50:29am

re: #256 Jadespring

Well it looks like I have a new cat I have another Cat Overlord. When we moved in here there was this cat on the property, I expect maybe the previous owners had it, though not sure. It had no interest in going inside and mainly hung out around the barn. It got to the point where he would let you pet him and would hang out with me in the garden. Last couple of winters we made a cozy cat cave in the leanto greenhouse and gave him food. He survived okay.

Two days ago I opened the basement door and the cat dashed inside and hid somewhere in a stack of boxes. Damn. My other cats of course came down to check out this new thing. Yesterday I put some food and water out and he came out. For the first time ever he let me pick him up. He was all purry and cuddly and as much as I tried I just could put him back out into the cold and blowing snow. I'm a big suck. So I made a deal with him. Show me that you'll use a litter box and you can stay in the basement.

Well I just went down and not only was he using the litter box but was hanging out with one of my other cats as if they had known each other forever.

Guess that settles it. Welcome to the family Petey.

FTFY

270 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:50:46am

Ha... on the right, you have over the top creationist and other anti-science types... but over the last few years, it seems the left is trying it's hardest to catch up.

Another Settled Science decision... A Maine legislator wants to make the state the first to require cell phones to carry warnings that they can cause brain cancer, although there is no consensus among scientists that they do and industry leaders dispute the claim.

Hey, if they can get a non-binding political agreement in Copenhagen, heck, quaint little Maine should be able to make some inroad on the junk science scene.

It's a race folks...

271 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:51:25am

re: #268 Locker

I work for the state in Utah.....I'm safe,but budget cuts across the board!!

272 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:52:12am

re: #264 Locker

Just throwing it out there as there is a constant open exam for programmers here:

[Link: jobs.ca.gov...]

That's a good resource for anyone living in La La Land... thanks... but I'm up in the hills of Colorado with the off-grid nut cases... having fun with guns :)

273 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:53:21am

re: #256 Jadespring

If ya got a barn....you must have some property..!
You need the cats!!
.....OVERLORDS to see to it ya don't slack on your chores!!

274 Locker  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:53:29am

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

That's a good resource for anyone living in La La Land... thanks... but I'm up in the hills of Colorado with the off-grid nut cases... having fun with guns :)

Yea man I know but re-locations happen, I'm from Jersey originally. Just figured I'd throw it out there just in case the need necessitates a change at some point. It's all good I hope you get something.

275 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:54:22am

re: #274 Locker

Yea man I know but re-locations happen, I'm from Jersey originally. Just figured I'd throw it out there just in case the need necessitates a change at some point. It's all good I hope you get something.

Nice try, but people don't leave Colorado. Something in the water. JMHO

276 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:55:07am

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope folks listen to that. Nice.

Thank you, it sounds lovely! Morning, Lizards. Hope all is well and everyone gets everything done they need to for the Holidays!

277 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:56:19am

re: #275 ggt
Speaking of the water...
I took the dog out early yesterday and the sky was filled with contrails.......They're at it again!
I put on my gas mask and went back to bed!

278 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:56:41am

re: #207 vxbush

Hope you feel better soon.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:56:53am

re: #277 reloadingisnotahobby

Speaking of the water...
I took the dog out early yesterday and the sky was filled with contrails...They're at it again!
I put on my gas mask and went back to bed!

Wise choice!

280 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:57:29am

re: #274 Locker

Yea man I know but re-locations happen, I'm from Jersey originally. Just figured I'd throw it out there just in case the need necessitates a change at some point. It's all good I hope you get something.

I lived in North Jersey for 10 years 64-74, Lake Hopatcong, it was a nice place then, I haven't seen it since then, so I don't know how built up it may be now.

281 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:57:42am

re: #266 MandyManners

Mine's pyschological due to PTSD.

Ah; gotcha.

282 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:58:05am

re: #277 reloadingisnotahobby

Speaking of the water...
I took the dog out early yesterday and the sky was filled with contrails...They're at it again!
I put on my gas mask and went back to bed!

You have one of those sleeping models? They ran out of them at the gun shop up here in South Park.

283 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:58:52am

re: #282 Walter L. Newton
Still scares the Shite outta the little woman!!
LOL

284 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:59:23am

re: #278 prairiefire

Hope you feel better soon.

{prairie} Thanks. Boy, if I keep having good wishes, I might start to feel better.

285 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:59:24am

re: #273 reloadingisnotahobby

If ya got a barn...you must have some property..!
You need the cats!!
...OVERLORDS to see to it ya don't slack on your chores!!

LOL. It's just a small barn. I have about 3 acres. Right now it's the sole remaining rooster that seems to be on Overlord duty. He's a noisy bugger and tells my cats where to stuff it.

286 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:00:10am

I think both vxbush and Mandy's illness wouldn't be affected, but I have to take this opportunity to sing/post the praises of the NETI POT.

Lizards, it is a miracle device.

I've had sinus problems all my life --been on 3 rounds of allergy shots and have at least one annual horrible (steroid prescription worthy) sinus infection in the Fall.

This year no sinus infection, NO allergy meds. So far, no flu either--and my son had it in October. I usuallly get whatever he brings home.

(Cat Overlord thinks it is humorous to watch me pour water up my nose.)

287 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:00:53am

re: #285 Jadespring

LOL. It's just a small barn. I have about 3 acres. Right now it's the sole remaining rooster that seems to be on Overlord duty. He's a noisy bugger and tells my cats where to stuff it.

Which is what most roosters do, I think. I grew up next door to a farm and had to put up with rooster doing his thing at the ungodly hour of sunrise. I'm surprised science hasn't figured out a way to shut them up.

288 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:00:55am

Now, just how superior is European travel to ours?

The French government expressed outrage Monday over the breakdown of Eurostar cross-Channel trains that has stranded tens of thousands of people as deadly winter transport chaos spread across Europe.

A car that veered off an icy road caused the derailment of a Paris commuter train, injuring 36 people and adding to the agony of a system badly hit by a 12-day old strike. Another commuter train in the Croatian capital hit a buffer Monday injuring 50 people.

Six people were killed in accidents in Germany and three in Austria. More flights were cancelled in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain and many main highways were blocked across Europe where some regions had more than two feet (50 centimetres) of snow.

SNIP

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:01:10am

re: #285 Jadespring

LOL. It's just a small barn. I have about 3 acres. Right now it's the sole remaining rooster that seems to be on Overlord duty. He's a noisy bugger and tells my cats where to stuff it.

Brave rooster, he knows his days are numbered.

290 gregb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:01:30am

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I really don't have a problem with it. US folks can call it Angel Falls forever, but they had it named before we saw it.

Everest has its native name... that's cool, too. Bombay had a name before we showed up.

That's like Crystal Cove used to be called "Scotchman's" before it fell under the "booted foot of the lifeguard state" (Big Wednesday reference).

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:01:40am

re: #286 ggt

Ain't that the little watering pitcher where you turn your head upside-down and fill your sinuses?

SELF-WATERBOARDING?!?!?!?

292 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:02:05am

re: #286 ggt

I have one and I really need to use it. You have inspired me to get it out of the box!

293 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:02:19am

re: #286 ggt

I think both vxbush and Mandy's illness wouldn't be affected, but I have to take this opportunity to sing/post the praises of the NETI POT.

Lizards, it is a miracle device.

I've had sinus problems all my life --been on 3 rounds of allergy shots and have at least one annual horrible (steroid prescription worthy) sinus infection in the Fall.

This year no sinus infection, NO allergy meds. So far, no flu either--and my son had it in October. I usuallly get whatever he brings home.

(Cat Overlord thinks it is humorous to watch me pour water up my nose.)

I actually use their Sinus Rinse product when I'm in the throes of a cold or infection. You're right. It does do a lot of good. It's prevented me from having a sinus infection this year, and usually I get them like clockwork. So glad to hear it helps you as well.

Which makes it so funny that my family practitioner, while appreciating its merits, can't stand the thought of doing it to himself. Heh.

294 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:02:42am

re: #285 Jadespring

Our nieghbor (around the corner) Lived in a little cabin and had his animal rights grandfathered in,on a 3rd of an acre!
He went to the care center....and it took several of us with the animal control to round up his Noahs Ark of critters!
He's gone now ....So's the cabin!

295 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:03:01am

re: #286 ggt

I think both vxbush and Mandy's illness wouldn't be affected, but I have to take this opportunity to sing/post the praises of the NETI POT.

Lizards, it is a miracle device.

I've had sinus problems all my life --been on 3 rounds of allergy shots and have at least one annual horrible (steroid prescription worthy) sinus infection in the Fall.

This year no sinus infection, NO allergy meds. So far, no flu either--and my son had it in October. I usuallly get whatever he brings home.

(Cat Overlord thinks it is humorous to watch me pour water up my nose.)

I cannot suck water up my nose.

296 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:03:30am

re: #287 vxbush

.........DINNER........Shuts 'em everytime!

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:03:35am

re: #293 vxbush

I haven't had a sinus infection since I became a vegetarian. (10 years or so). Been to Doctor maybe five times... two for the gout.

298 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:03:36am

re: #287 vxbush

Which is what most roosters do, I think. I grew up next door to a farm and had to put up with rooster doing his thing at the ungodly hour of sunrise. I'm surprised science hasn't figured out a way to shut them up.

It was much worse when there was four of them. Started at sunrise and went on all day. I think they were in competition.

299 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:03:42am

re: #287 vxbush

Which is what most roosters do, I think. I grew up next door to a farm and had to put up with rooster doing his thing at the ungodly hour of sunrise. I'm surprised science hasn't figured out a way to shut them up.

It's called "roasting".

300 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:04:07am

re: #266 MandyManners

I have an esophageal web. Can anyone top that? I have to chew up pills.

301 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:04:13am

re: #299 MandyManners

It's called "roasting".

BINGO (LOL).

302 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:04:34am

re: #300 prairiefire

I have an esophageal web. Can anyone top that? I have to chew up pills.

Yes, I haven't breathed in 30 years.

303 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:04:45am

re: #295 MandyManners

I cannot suck water up my nose.

What I use is NeilMed sinus rinse which pushes it up your nose. You keep your head parallel to the floor or slightly tilted toward the floor so the water doesn't go down your throat. Requires no sucking but works just as well.

304 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:04:47am

re: #298 Jadespring

It was much worse when there was four of them. Started at sunrise and went on all day. I think they were in competition.

Ship 'em to Gaza.

305 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:05:02am

re: #294 reloadingisnotahobby

Our nieghbor (around the corner) Lived in a little cabin and had his animal rights grandfathered in,on a 3rd of an acre!
He went to the care center...and it took several of us with the animal control to round up his Noahs Ark of critters!
He's gone now ...So's the cabin!

3rd of an acre? What did animal did he have?

306 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:05:16am

re: #298 Jadespring

It was much worse when there was four of them. Started at sunrise and went on all day. I think they were in competition.

Yeah, I bet. Trying to generate that love interest.

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:05:17am

re: #299 MandyManners

It's called "roasting".

Poor Gaza Rooster.

308 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:05:28am

re: #300 prairiefire

I have an esophageal web. Can anyone top that? I have to chew up pills.

I've a pill crusher in case there is no liquid alternative.

309 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:05:51am

re: #300 prairiefire

I have an esophageal web. Can anyone top that? I have to chew up pills.

Wha....? Wow. You win. No interest in having it removed, or too hard to do so?

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:06:16am

re: #305 Jadespring

3rd of an acre? What did animal did he have?

Third of a cow.

311 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:06:17am

re: #305 Jadespring

3rd of an acre? What did animal did he have?

Bleh.. what animals did he have....

312 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:06:24am

re: #303 vxbush

What I use is NeilMed sinus rinse which pushes it up your nose. You keep your head parallel to the floor or slightly tilted toward the floor so the water doesn't go down your throat. Requires no sucking but works just as well.

It goes back to the PTSD issue for me.

313 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:07:00am

re: #305 Jadespring

Bummer Lambs,and Chickens..w/ Roosters....
An occasional bottle fed calf...Till they could go on their own!

314 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:07:48am

Ok... out of here... job interview... maybe a Christmas present for me... can only hope... BB later.

315 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:08:10am

re: #314 Walter L. Newton

Ok... out of here... job interview... maybe a Christmas present for me... can only hope... BB later.

GOOD LUCK!

316 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:08:15am

re: #314 Walter L. Newton

Ok... out of here... job interview... maybe a Christmas present for me... can only hope... BB later.

Good luck!

317 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:08:26am

re: #314 Walter L. Newton

Break a leg!!!
............Ah..right??

318 Locker  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:08:29am

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

I lived in North Jersey for 10 years 64-74, Lake Hopatcong, it was a nice place then, I haven't seen it since then, so I don't know how built up it may be now.

Yea I worked in Parsippany and Morristown mostly. Lived in Glen Rock in Bergen, Morristown and Cedar Knolls. I miss it even though most folks can't understand why.

319 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:08:30am

re: #312 MandyManners

It goes back to the PTSD issue for me.

Sure, I can understand that. It was weird the first time I did it, believe me. But the benefits, for those of us who have the genetic sewer end of the sinus gene pool, are really worth it.

320 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:08:45am

re: #313 reloadingisnotahobby

Bummer Lambs,and Chickens..w/ Roosters...
An occasional bottle fed calf...Till they could go on their own!

Must have been crowded. Yikes.

321 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:09:09am

re: #317 reloadingisnotahobby

Break a leg!!!
...Ah..right??

Maybe break a cart, as this is retail?

322 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:10:13am

re: #314 Walter L. Newton

But..but Walter...There's no buisness like show buisness
like no buisness I know ...............Come on
everyone!Sing along!!!

323 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:10:21am

re: #309 vxbush

Wha...? Wow. You win. No interest in having it removed, or too hard to do so?

It is hard to remove, and it would probably grow back. I found out when it completely closed when I was 40 and I couldn't swallow anything. Total vindication for all those years of my family giving me hell for being the last to finish dinner or choking on pills when I was little. I go in periodically to get it stretched. My husband said it was the weirdest thing he has ever seen. My GI doctor proudly showed him the photo after he had stretched it that first time.

324 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:10:57am

re: #320 Jadespring

I think he had the lambs indoors!
Yuck!

325 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:11:13am

re: #323 prairiefire

It is hard to remove, and it would probably grow back. I found out when it completely closed when I was 40 and I couldn't swallow anything. Total vindication for all those years of my family giving me hell for being the last to finish dinner or choking on pills when I was little. I go in periodically to get it stretched. My husband said it was the weirdest thing he has ever seen. My GI doctor proudly showed him the photo after he had stretched it that first time.

I have a friend that has that. The stretching procedure sounds worse, to me, than the neti pot.

326 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:11:26am

re: #323 prairiefire

It is hard to remove, and it would probably grow back. I found out when it completely closed when I was 40 and I couldn't swallow anything. Total vindication for all those years of my family giving me hell for being the last to finish dinner or choking on pills when I was little. I go in periodically to get it stretched. My husband said it was the weirdest thing he has ever seen. My GI doctor proudly showed him the photo after he had stretched it that first time.

You must be in at least one medical textbook somewhere. How common is this? I've never heard of it, but I'm not a doctor, nurse, or a doctor on TV.

327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:11:34am

re: #324 reloadingisnotahobby

I think he had the lambs indoors!
Yuck!

Do lambs really eat oats?

328 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:11:56am

re: #314 Walter L. Newton

Ok... out of here... job interview... maybe a Christmas present for me... can only hope... BB later.

Good Luck! And thanks to SixDegrees for being kind to retail workers. I know they appreciate it from personal experience and I have the varicose veins to prove it!

329 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:12:37am

'Morning, Lizards.

And a gigantic Happy Zappa's Birthday to all.

Or, if you must, Happy Solstice!

330 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:13:06am

re: #327 ggt
..........Ah......I think they eat anything!
So ....yeah!

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:13:22am

re: #322 reloadingisnotahobby

I never had the guts to do theatre as a profession. But know some folks who do it, and none that make much money doing it.

But they'll tell you... life sucks unless you are on stage... but once on stage? Totally worth it.

Takes a special breed of person to do it. I think it is very admirable to frame your life around other's enjoyment.

332 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #325 ggt

It isn't too bad. Just a sore throat for a couple of days. They give me a lovely medicine that puts me to sleep when the Dr. does it.

333 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:14:17am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I never had the guts to do theatre as a profession. But know some folks who do it, and none that make much money doing it.

But they'll tell you... life sucks unless you are on stage... but once on stage? Totally worth it.

Takes a special breed of person to do it. I think it is very admirable to frame your life around other's enjoyment.

I think you're right. You have to have that bug to do it.

334 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:14:26am

re: #314 Walter L. Newton

Best of luck! Good thoughts headed your way in waves.

335 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:14:34am

re: #332 prairiefire

It isn't too bad. Just a sore throat for a couple of days. They give me a lovely medicine that puts me to sleep when the Dr. does it.

Gotta love those great pain drugs....

336 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:15:20am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Takes a special breed of person to do it. I think it is very admirable to frame your life around other's enjoyment.


FBV...I allready apologized for the whore/politician thing....OK?
LOL
You are correct!

337 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:15:32am

re: #326 vxbush

I don't think it is very common. People could have it, like me, and not realize it. Just another quirky genetic thing I am blessed to have!

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:15:34am

re: #333 vxbush

I have the "bug" to a degree. Just found a profession where I can be on "stage" (one on one) and entertain customers for a while, but make money at it.

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:16:30am

re: #336 reloadingisnotahobby

Ooh. That read like a bitch-out... Sorry. Wasn't meant to be one. What you said was funny as hell.

340 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:16:55am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have the "bug" to a degree. Just found a profession where I can be on "stage" (one on one) and entertain customers for a while, but make money at it.

I used to do stage work for vacation bible school. We would do skits each night, and that took care of the bug for me for a long time. The kids were the best audience and so appreciative!

341 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:17:13am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Congratulations! That is why I like sales.

342 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:17:38am
343 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:17:50am

re: #327 ggt

Do lambs really eat oats?

No, little lambs eat ivy.

344 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:18:00am

re: #324 reloadingisnotahobby

I think he had the lambs indoors!
Yuck!

Gross. I know farmers that will occasionally have to bring a newborn in if it's not feeding properly or has some other problem but not to live inside.

The people that owned this place before had a puppy mill. The place was totally disgusting. Our real estate agent said that when he first showed up there were over 20 dogs inside. The house was literally full of s**t. When I moved in I spent 3 weeks outside living in a tent while I cleaned the place out. It was totally worth it though because I bought it for way, way, way below market value.

345 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:19:31am

re: #344 Jadespring

Gross. I know farmers that will occasionally have to bring a newborn in if it's not feeding properly or has some other problem but not to live inside.

The people that owned this place before had a puppy mill. The place was totally disgusting. Our real estate agent said that when he first showed up there were over 20 dogs inside. The house was literally full of s**t. When I moved in I spent 3 weeks outside living in a tent while I cleaned the place out. It was totally worth it though because I bought it for way, way, way below market value.

Wow. That's dedication. And I bet the local merchants were thrilled every time you bought a bottle of bleach.

346 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:19:34am

Good morning, everyone.

I love snow, but I hate shovelling 2+ feet of it off my driveway. I'm a walking body of ouch today.

347 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:19:49am
348 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:20:06am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have sung in front of people for years!...48 I think!
Since taking a punch to the neck I've lost my higher range!
Hope it comes back!

349 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:20:21am

re: #347 ggt

PUPPIES!

With built-in gravity shield, apparently.

350 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:20:34am

re: #347 ggt

Oh my gosh, I'm saving that to show my daughter.

351 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:20:56am

re: #342 ggt

ahhh!

Get me some mint sauce, I'm ready for dinner!

352 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:21:30am

re: #344 Jadespring

Awesome!!
...Hard work and knowing it's worth it!
Pricless!!

353 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:22:14am

re: #346 MrSilverDragon

Here...Have some Baileys for your coffee!

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:22:42am

re: #343 MandyManners

No, little lambs eat ivy.

So will a kid.

355 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:23:54am

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So will a kid.

I wouldn't.

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:24:17am

re: #348 reloadingisnotahobby

I am fifty times the singer than I was an actor. But believe I'd be a good actor now (needed some life "seasoning").

357 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:25:34am

Good morning, Lizards.

Think I'll hang-out here awhile.

Doesn't winter start today? Better bundle up.

358 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:25:36am

re: #351 MrSilverDragon

Get me some mint sauce, I'm ready for dinner!

Careful! You may have an encounter with the ninja puppy defender!

359 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:25:53am

Oops...Suns shining!
Gotta get busy!
Have great day!!!

360 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:25:57am

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am fifty times the singer than I was an actor. But believe I'd be a good actor now (needed some life "seasoning").

Heh. I don't trust myself to rate my own abilities in this area. I'm more than willing to give myself too much benefit of the doubt.

361 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:26:51am

re: #358 ggt

Careful! You may have an encounter with the ninja puppy defender!

Ooooooo, too cute! But it's like he's saying, "Back atcha, kid!"

362 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:27:31am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. They're still digging out from the snow, but in my neck of the woods, things weren't too bad at all - 6-8 inches total snow, and roads were cleared by morning. They got closer to a foot of snow in Manhattan, and getting across streets can be extremely trying with mountains of snow and the slush so that you can't be sure how deep any puddles may be.

At the same time, the Obama Administration keeps digging in on trying to empty Gitmo for political reasons. They'd rather send a detainee to Somalia, which has no functioning government and where al Qaeda and their coreligionists routinely engage in all manner of barbarism that detain them further at Gitmo or any other site that the Administration will choose for terrorists. Does the President think that this will improve US national security by sending detainees back to countries such as Somalia?

363 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:28:46am

Time to run around like a maniac. Lizards, have a great day!

364 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #362 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. They're still digging out from the snow, but in my neck of the woods, things weren't too bad at all - 6-8 inches total snow, and roads were cleared by morning. They got closer to a foot of snow in Manhattan, and getting across streets can be extremely trying with mountains of snow and the slush so that you can't be sure how deep any puddles may be.

At the same time, the Obama Administration keeps digging in on trying to empty Gitmo for political reasons. They'd rather send a detainee to Somalia, which has no functioning government and where al Qaeda and their coreligionists routinely engage in all manner of barbarism that detain them further at Gitmo or any other site that the Administration will choose for terrorists. Does the President think that this will improve US national security by sending detainees back to countries such as Somalia?

Maybe the one they sent back flipped and is not a CIA operative?

/

365 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:29:04am

re: #362 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. They're still digging out from the snow, but in my neck of the woods, things weren't too bad at all - 6-8 inches total snow, and roads were cleared by morning. They got closer to a foot of snow in Manhattan, and getting across streets can be extremely trying with mountains of snow and the slush so that you can't be sure how deep any puddles may be.

At the same time, the Obama Administration keeps digging in on trying to empty Gitmo for political reasons. They'd rather send a detainee to Somalia, which has no functioning government and where al Qaeda and their coreligionists routinely engage in all manner of barbarism that detain them further at Gitmo or any other site that the Administration will choose for terrorists. Does the President think that this will improve US national security by sending detainees back to countries such as Somalia?

I guess their philosophy in the White House is "anywhere but Gitmo." It's very odd to me. I simply don't understand politics, apparently.

366 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:29:12am

re: #353 reloadingisnotahobby

Here...Have some Baileys for your coffee!

That sounds good... but Jameson's sounds better... and take out the coffee. Perfect!

367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:29:12am

re: #362 lawhawk


Does the President think that this will improve US national security by sending detainees back to countries such as Somalia?

Why yes, Hawk. I think he does.

(I got over 20" of snow)

368 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:29:25am

re: #363 prairiefire

Time to run around like a maniac. Lizards, have a great day!

Have a great one yourself, prairie!

369 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:31:13am

Time for me to get moving also.

Have a great day all!

370 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:31:27am

re: #352 reloadingisnotahobby

Awesome!!
...Hard work and knowing it's worth it!
Pricless!!

Yep! It's funny though because I know people who thought/think I'm absolutely crazy for doing it. Sure it was hard and the whole process literally stunk but it was just three weeks. The well sucked too and I had to put up with only water that was good enough for the toilet and bring all other water for a year until I could afford a new well. Sure it was an inconvenience but the payoff was huge. Not only do I have a home that was totally affordable but equity wise it's now worth three or for times as much. Once all the renos are done it will be worth 5 or 6 times as much and I still won't have spent anywhere near the money on it if I had bought the thing in pristine condition.

I don't think I'm the crazy one. :D

371 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:31:51am

re: #367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, he'd be wrong, particularly when 30 of those released have gone on to be recaptured or killed. Catch and release is a bad strategy. It doesn't work in a law enforcement setting, and is certainly doesn't work with terrorism. It only encourages further terrorism and violence. And al Qaeda has routinely used the weakness of resolve in the US as a rallying point to further attacks against the West and the US in particular.

372 gregb  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:32:47am

Scientists one step closer to ice9 using petrochemicals.

[Link: www.globalsyntheticice.com...]

373 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:34:11am

re: #372 gregb

Scientists one step closer to ice9 using petrochemicals.

[Link: www.globalsyntheticice.com...]

Cool. Ice skating in the middle of summer, outside!

374 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:35:56am

re: #256 Jadespring

He was probably already talking to the other cats, and you got a good referral for a staff position.

375 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:36:02am

I just hung up on the other driver's insurance representative. This woman called me Friday and insisted on interviewing me while I was sick, barely able to lift my head. She recorded it. I don't know why I didn't hang up then but I reckon I was just too sick to tell her to leave me alone.

She wants to send the adjuster to my house TODAY. I reminded her that I was still sick, that I hadn't had a chance to get an estimate on the damages. She got snippy with me and said she just wanted to get this done so that they could get my car fixed. I mean, snippy.

I told her I'd let her know when I was ready and I hung up on her.

376 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:36:59am

re: #375 MandyManners

I just hung up on the other driver's insurance representative. This woman called me Friday and insisted on interviewing me while I was sick, barely able to lift my head. She recorded it. I don't know why I didn't hang up then but I reckon I was just too sick to tell her to leave me alone.

She wants to send the adjuster to my house TODAY. I reminded her that I was still sick, that I hadn't had a chance to get an estimate on the damages. She got snippy with me and said she just wanted to get this done so that they could get my car fixed. I mean, snippy.

I told her I'd let her know when I was ready and I hung up on her.

Sounds like she's trying to get out of town for the holidays.

377 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:37:12am

re: #357 Semper Fi

Good morning, Lizards.

Think I'll hang-out here awhile.

Doesn't winter start today? Better bundle up.

Do we get to sacrifice a virgin?

378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:37:55am

re: #377 MandyManners

Do we get to sacrifice a virgin?

Gosh. Between Muslim's 72 and sacrifices, virginity sucks!

379 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:38:40am

re: #378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's how they maintain virginity.....

[ducks quickly]

380 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:38:44am

re: #362 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. They're still digging out from the snow, but in my neck of the woods, things weren't too bad at all - 6-8 inches total snow, and roads were cleared by morning. They got closer to a foot of snow in Manhattan, and getting across streets can be extremely trying with mountains of snow and the slush so that you can't be sure how deep any puddles may be.

At the same time, the Obama Administration keeps digging in on trying to empty Gitmo for political reasons. They'd rather send a detainee to Somalia, which has no functioning government and where al Qaeda and their coreligionists routinely engage in all manner of barbarism that detain them further at Gitmo or any other site that the Administration will choose for terrorists. Does the President think that this will improve US national security by sending detainees back to countries such as Somalia?

Doesn't he talk with Napolitano? Wasn't she the official who talked about the Somalis in Wisconsin who've disappeared into Somalia?

381 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:39:16am

re: #363 prairiefire

Time to run around like a maniac. Lizards, have a great day!

You have to schedule your time?

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:40:07am

On a Jewish friend's Facebook page...


How many Jewish Grandmothers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None. "Don't worry about me dahling. I'll just sit here in the dark. My labor pains were well worth it. You have your own life.... etc)"

383 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:40:30am

re: #376 vxbush

Sounds like she's trying to get out of town for the holidays.

Tough noogies for her.

384 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:41:21am

re: #289 ggt

My brother's "barn" cats (they live in a storage/wood shed) steer clear of the chicken flock. If they come in range they get pecked. And if there is something interesting in the compost heap the cats clear out once the chickens come to check it out. Chickens are vicious little beasties; and Aracunas are a nasty breed amongst the others.

385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:41:54am

re: #383 MandyManners

Tough noogies for her.

You'll feel like it on Christmas eve. Oh, about 3pm.

386 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:43:49am

re: #377 MandyManners

Do we get to sacrifice a virgin?

I surely hope not.

I've always been fond of winter's first day because it tells me we're heading back to longer days and that pleases me.

387 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:46:51am

re: #376 vxbush

Sounds like she's trying to get out of town for the holidays.

I hate to be mean but, her driver hit me. I was sitting still.

388 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:48:25am

re: #386 Semper Fi

I surely hope not.

I've always been fond of winter's first day because it tells me we're heading back to longer days and that pleases me.

Same here! But, we gotta' get through January and February before spring comes bob, bob, bobbing along.

389 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:50:57am

re: #388 MandyManners

Same here! But, we gotta' get through January and February before spring comes bob, bob, bobbing along.

AH! But with today's winter solstice I can just make out the light at the end of the tunnel.

390 abolitionist  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:55:44am

re: #387 MandyManners

I hate to be mean but, her driver hit me. I was sitting still.

So you admit that you had total loss of steering control...
(teasing)

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:56:22am

re: #389 Semper Fi

AH! But with today's winter solstice I can just make out the light at the end of the tunnel.

IT'S A TRAIN!

392 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:57:20am

re: #389 Semper Fi

AH! But with today's winter solstice I can just make out the light at the end of the tunnel.

Remember, if it starts blowing its horn then you better run.

393 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:59:14am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Excusez-moi. GMTA.

394 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:59:29am

re: #389 Semper Fi

AH! But with today's winter solstice I can just make out the light at the end of the tunnel.

IT MIGHT BE A TRAIN!

395 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:59:49am

re: #392 Spare O'Lake

Remember, if it starts blowing its horn then you better run.

I'm reminded of the words my grandfather said to me just before he passed on, when he said, "A truck!"

(thank you Emo Phillips.)

396 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:59:55am

re: #390 abolitionist

So you admit that you had total loss of steering control...
(teasing)

Good one!

397 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:00:25am

re: #394 MandyManners

Except if it's the chunnel, in which case, there's no train because they've run into mechanical troubles causing a shutdown.

398 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:00:26am

re: #387 MandyManners

I hate to be mean but, her driver hit me. I was sitting still.

Not disagreeing with you, or minimizing what the other driver did. Just perhaps explaining her behavior.

399 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:00:38am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #392 Spare O'Lake

GMTA. Three-way!

400 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:01:01am

re: #399 MandyManners

In bed?! /kinky!

401 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:01:57am

re: #399 MandyManners

re: #392 Spare O'Lake

GMTA. Three-way!

My pleasure, I'm sure!

402 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:02:53am

re: #397 lawhawk

Except if it's the chunnel, in which case, there's no train because they've run into mechanical troubles causing a shutdown.

If a little bit of snow can jam up travel through the chunnel, what would a few IED's do?

403 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:03:37am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IT'S A TRAIN!

Very Good. Truly, if it's not a train, the longer days will conjure up all kinds of plans. Things to do, places to go.

Your dish of yams, cinnamon, butter and marshmellows(sp?) crossed my mind when I saw your post.

404 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:07:19am

re: #398 vxbush

Not disagreeing with you, or minimizing what the other driver did. Just perhaps explaining her behavior.

Oh, I agree with your explanation but, I'd told her repeatedly during the recorded, initial interview that I was sick. And, I told her first thing this morning when she called. Yet, she was getting impatient and wanted me to dance to her tune. Even when I reminded her that I had been sick and was still sick she got snippy.

405 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:10:01am

Interesting....
Health care in the lead as stocks surge

U.S. stocks opened broadly higher Monday, led by the health-care sector, as analyst upgrades and merger activity boosted sentiment.

406 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:10:57am

re: #403 Semper Fi

Very Good. Truly, if it's not a train, the longer days will conjure up all kinds of plans. Things to do, places to go.

Your dish of yams, cinnamon, butter and marshmellows(sp?) crossed my mind when I saw your post.

Aren't marshmallows (which btw are yummy when roasted on a stick over an open fire) made of ground-up animal bones?
Just sayin'.

407 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:11:18am
408 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:13:46am

re: #404 MandyManners

Oh, I agree with your explanation but, I'd told her repeatedly during the recorded, initial interview that I was sick. And, I told her first thing this morning when she called. Yet, she was getting impatient and wanted me to dance to her tune. Even when I reminded her that I had been sick and was still sick she got snippy.

Her employer probably pushes her to close claims in a timely manner. Arrange appraisals and such. She's probably under the gun so to speak and not dealing with you in a courteous manner or with sufficient sensitivity to you illness.

409 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:15:42am

re: #402 MandyManners

Apparently, it had to do with snow getting into certain electric components on the trains themselves, causing shorts. They've had snow shields, but apparently didn't figure on this particularly cold snap.

It makes you wonder whether they paid attention to weather reports and winterized their equipment, just as they usually do in the States. Heck, most of the problems with commuter trains in the NYC metro area were due to cars getting stuck on LIRR crossings during the storm and its aftermath preventing the trains from crossing (and then the 2 feet of snow hampering access to the 3d rail.

410 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:16:39am

Robot powered cat assault

411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:16:44am

re: #395 MrSilverDragon

I'm reminded of the words my grandfather said to me just before he passed on, when he said, "A truck!"

(thank you Emo Phillips.)

Can't remember who this was...

"The last thing my father said to me. Boy, that gun is load..."
and Steve Martin...

"I'll never forget the last thing my grandfather said to me. He said, 'Ack!'"

412 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:17:56am

re: #408 Semper Fi

Her employer probably pushes her to close claims in a timely manner. Arrange appraisals and such. She's probably under the gun so to speak and not dealing with you in a courteous manner or with sufficient sensitivity to you illness.

I'm not a special snowflake but, how many times did I have to tell her that I was sick?!

413 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:18:24am

re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't remember who this was...

"The last thing my father said to me. Boy, that gun is load..."
and Steve Martin...

"I'll never forget the last thing my grandfather said to me. He said, 'Ack!'"

And the ever popular

"I want to die just like my grandfather did, in his sleep,,,,

not like those three other poor bastards in his car screaming till the end!"

414 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:18:38am

re: #409 lawhawk

Apparently, it had to do with snow getting into certain electric components on the trains themselves, causing shorts. They've had snow shields, but apparently didn't figure on this particularly cold snap.

It makes you wonder whether they paid attention to weather reports and winterized their equipment, just as they usually do in the States. Heck, most of the problems with commuter trains in the NYC metro area were due to cars getting stuck on LIRR crossings during the storm and its aftermath preventing the trains from crossing (and then the 2 feet of snow hampering access to the 3d rail.

I wonder if they got their climate advice from a moonlighting prof. from East Anglia? /

415 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:18:48am

re: #409 lawhawk

Apparently, it had to do with snow getting into certain electric components on the trains themselves, causing shorts. They've had snow shields, but apparently didn't figure on this particularly cold snap.

It makes you wonder whether they paid attention to weather reports and winterized their equipment, just as they usually do in the States. Heck, most of the problems with commuter trains in the NYC metro area were due to cars getting stuck on LIRR crossings during the storm and its aftermath preventing the trains from crossing (and then the 2 feet of snow hampering access to the 3d rail.

Yeah, I read that about the lack of shields on the trains but, it's DECEMBER! Snow happens! You're right.

416 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:19:24am

re: #415 MandyManners

Yeah, I read that about the lack of shields on the trains but, it's DECEMBER! Snow happens! You're right.

Not for long! //

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:20:24am

re: #410 Killgore Trout

"Which way did he go? Which way did he go?"...

418 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:21:49am

This is making the rounds today....
Sen. Coburn: ‘People Ought To Pray’ That A Senator ‘Can’t Make The Vote Tonight’

He even pauses when he says it. I think he knows what he's implying.

419 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:26:08am

The prize for the least understanding of Jihad goes to......
Mary Matalin on health care jihadists

420 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:27:01am

re: #418 Killgore Trout

This is making the rounds today...
Sen. Coburn: ‘People Ought To Pray’ That A Senator ‘Can’t Make The Vote Tonight’

He even pauses when he says it. I think he knows what he's implying.

Nah, I think you're all wet...he's just praying for a MIRACLE.

421 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:27:28am

re: #416 sattv4u2

Not for long! //

Yeah, I just realized it's the 21st.

422 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:27:47am

re: #418 Killgore Trout

This is making the rounds today...
Sen. Coburn: ‘People Ought To Pray’ That A Senator ‘Can’t Make The Vote Tonight’

He even pauses when he says it. I think he knows what he's implying.

That someone can't make it to the chambers because of the same reason thousands of people can't get to work in the Mid -Atlantic/ Northeast part of the country!?!?

423 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:28:46am

re: #418 Killgore Trout

This is making the rounds today...
Sen. Coburn: ‘People Ought To Pray’ That A Senator ‘Can’t Make The Vote Tonight’

He even pauses when he says it. I think he knows what he's implying.

Why impute the worst?

424 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:28:47am

re: #421 MandyManners

Yeah, I just realized it's the 21st.

Nahhh ,,,, in a few years, December will be the new August!

425 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:28:59am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

Is that Carville sitting next to her? I

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:29:06am

DAMMIT! CARTOON NETWORK IS PLAYING LOONEY TOONS!

Just turned over to it... Jetson's Christmas Special. Crap!

But, I do think of this...

Watch to the end...

427 subsailor68  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:29:09am

Morning all! Well, Sen. Reid was able to buy enough votes to pass the Senate health bill. In other news, the CBO wrote a letter to the Senator stating that, due to an error, the calculated reduction in the deficit would probably be smaller than originally reported.

Here's an article on some of the sweetheart deals that were made:

The Price Is Right? Payoffs for Senators Typical in Health Care Bill

I realize the CBO doesn't respond to requests from private citizens, but I'd be grateful if they'd take a look at the number of dollars pledged to states like Louisiana, Nebraska, Vermont, and so forth. At the same time, factor in the $200 plus billion in physician Medicare reimbursement pulled out of the health bills and being considered separately.

What happens when these costs are factored into this health reform proposal? If the deficit reduction was smaller without these numbers, what happens when they're taken into consideration.

Oh, by the way, these senators have shown themselves to be as venal, corrupt, and short-sighted as I always suspected they were.

428 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:29:18am
429 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:29:25am

re: #392 Spare O'Lake

Remember, if it starts blowing its horn then you better run.

So many people don't run. The number of train/auto accidents is mind boggeling.

430 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:30:09am

re: #423 MandyManners

Why impute the worst?

Are you new around here!?!?!

431 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:30:58am

re: #427 subsailor68

Morning all! Well, Sen. Reid was able to buy enough votes to pass the Senate health bill. In other news, the CBO wrote a letter to the Senator stating that, due to an error, the calculated reduction in the deficit would probably be smaller than originally reported.

Here's an article on some of the sweetheart deals that were made:

The Price Is Right? Payoffs for Senators Typical in Health Care Bill

I realize the CBO doesn't respond to requests from private citizens, but I'd be grateful if they'd take a look at the number of dollars pledged to states like Louisiana, Nebraska, Vermont, and so forth. At the same time, factor in the $200 plus billion in physician Medicare reimbursement pulled out of the health bills and being considered separately.

What happens when these costs are factored into this health reform proposal? If the deficit reduction was smaller without these numbers, what happens when they're taken into consideration.

Oh, by the way, these senators have shown themselves to be as venal, corrupt, and short-sighted as I always suspected they were.

Has it actually passed, or did they just get the votes for cloture? Last I knew, it was the cloture vote.

432 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:31:38am

re: #430 sattv4u2

Are you new around here!?!?!

Aw, shucks.

433 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:32:34am

re: #422 sattv4u2

re: #423 MandyManners

Here's the thing: context. He says this not privately, spontaneously, but on the senate floor, before a nationwide backdrop of crazies from his party calling this bill evil, Hitler-like and calling for violence to stop it.

434 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:34:30am

re: #433 suchislife

and a lot of these crazies believe that they are religiously grounded and motivated.

435 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:35:16am

Citadel Broadcasting filed for bankruptcy yesterday. The network owns 200+ stations nationally, including WABC and WPLJ in NYC, and hosts shows including Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh along with Don Imus.

436 subsailor68  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:35:23am

re: #431 vxbush

Hi vxbush! Good catch. The actual vote is scheduled for Christmas Eve if I have it right. At this point, though, there's really no opposition left to actually stop it. I should have been more clear. Thanks!!

(But, I sure would like some senator to ask the CBO to take another look at the numbers -- with all the pork factored in.)

;-)

437 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:36:20am

re: #425 suchislife

Is that Carville sitting next to her? I

I think so. I'm surprised he didn't pounce on her for that.

438 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:37:00am

re: #434 suchislife

Just to clarify: I'm obviously not psychic. I don't know what he thought. But I do think this was ambigously worded, and asking for a clarification is reasonable.

439 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:37:21am

re: #433 suchislife

re: #423 MandyManners

Here's the thing: context. He says this not privately, spontaneously, but on the senate floor, before a nationwide backdrop of crazies from his party calling this bill evil, Hitler-like and calling for violence to stop it.

Hitler like! Well ,,, as long as we're not fear mongering!

Sen. Whitehouse: foes of health care bill are birthers, right-wing militias, aryan groups
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

440 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:38:08am

re: #437 Killgore Trout

I rarely comment on people's private lives, but these two, I don't get it.

441 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:39:30am

re: #436 subsailor68

Hi vxbush! Good catch. The actual vote is scheduled for Christmas Eve if I have it right. At this point, though, there's really no opposition left to actually stop it. I should have been more clear. Thanks!!

(But, I sure would like some senator to ask the CBO to take another look at the numbers -- with all the pork factored in.)

;-)

I have read in at least one place that Nelson is now talking about not voting for the bill itself, even though he voted for cloture.

442 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:40:01am

re: #439 sattv4u2

I'm not sure what you're saying. I said that crazies all around the country (tea partiers) compare this bill to nazi politics. Do you disagree? How does the fact that both sides sometimes use a broad brush invalidate that?

443 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:40:29am

re: #406 Spare O'Lake

Aren't marshmallows (which btw are yummy when roasted on a stick over an open fire) made of ground-up animal bones?
Just sayin'.

Yeah! That's why they're a good source of protein and calcium.

444 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:40:31am

re: #433 suchislife

re: #423 MandyManners

Here's the thing: context. He says this not privately, spontaneously, but on the senate floor, before a nationwide backdrop of crazies from his party calling this bill evil, Hitler-like and calling for violence to stop it.

I don't think there was even a scintilla of evidence that he was wishing harm to anyone.

445 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:40:39am

re: #441 vxbush

I have read in at least one place that Nelson is now talking about not voting for the bill itself, even though he voted for cloture.

Don't "pray" for that. You'll be called Hilter Like!

446 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:40:50am

re: #439 sattv4u2

He's right. Conservatives have discredited themselves by associating with these people. The hysterics have been embarrassing.

447 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:41:14am

re: #441 vxbush

All cloture is is a political maneuver to end debate. It is not a vote to pass the bill; a separate vote is conducted for that purpose. If a bill can't pass cloture, it is effectively filibustered.

448 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:41:14am

re: #428 MandyManners

Yeah, everyone who prays is fucking evil.

Well that's a bit of leap.

I pray and as far as I know I'm not evil.

However I do think that a public official that stands up in policy debate, calling for people to pray for something to happen to keep opponents out of the debate isn't exactly great use and in this case a great Christian use of prayer.
I guess maybe that's me but I find the whole thing rather stinky not only only in a political way but a theological one as well.

449 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:41:34am

re: #445 sattv4u2

Don't "pray" for that. You'll be called Hilter Like!

Sigh. I can't even comment on that.

450 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:42:09am

re: #447 lawhawk

All cloture is is a political maneuver to end debate. It is not a vote to pass the bill; a separate vote is conducted for that purpose. If a bill can't pass cloture, it is effectively filibustered.

Right; it sounded like this distinction was not being understood, which is why I said the vote was for cloture. I was trying to make it clear that the bill has not yet itself been voted on.

451 subsailor68  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:42:27am

re: #441 vxbush

I have read in at least one place that Nelson is now talking about not voting for the bill itself, even though he voted for cloture.

That would be great, but I wonder how he could possibly explain that to his constituents. He works a deal that exempts the state from its Medicaid funding obligations - permanently, then votes against the bill. That would be hard for him to justify I would think.

But, we can always hope!

452 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:43:09am

re: #442 suchislife

I'm not sure what you're saying. I said that crazies all around the country (tea partiers) compare this bill to nazi politics. Do you disagree? How does the fact that both sides sometimes use a broad brush invalidate that?

If you "don't know what I'm saying", how can you comment on it!?!?!
Here is waht I AM saying. You have extrapolated a comment by a senator to mean something ver terrible, then in the very next post state "Just to clarify: I'm obviously not psychic. I don't know what he thought"
You can't unring a bell!

453 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:43:20am

re: #442 suchislife

re: #445 sattv4u2

I get it. You misunderstood me. I meant, they call the bill evil, or Hitler-like.

454 jeremy0114  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:43:31am

re: #35 Gus 802

We're doomed to be Communists for IONS!!!111!!

THAT is funny...

And all politics aside, I tell you what really annoys me, is people who do not spell out words and instead use a single number or letter (such as 2 instead of to, u instead of you, and so on...)

I am probably not beind fair, it just seems like it is intellectual laziness... Its not like the internet costs more per character...

There, back to reading down the thread to get caught up!

455 subsailor68  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:43:50am

re: #447 lawhawk

All cloture is is a political maneuver to end debate. It is not a vote to pass the bill; a separate vote is conducted for that purpose. If a bill can't pass cloture, it is effectively filibustered.

Hi lawhawk. Yep, and vxbush noted that - I should have been clearer on the specific step taken last night.

456 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:44:41am

re: #446 Killgore Trout

What the heck then is up with those on left-right convergence (inclusive of the Tea Party agenda) on health care like Jane Hamsher (firedoglake) notes:

Glenn Greenwald and Ed Kilgore both have very good pieces up today on the impoverished left/right dialectic that dominates the media coverage of politics, and its inadequacy when it comes to discussing the dynamics of the health care debate. The sight of pundits yucking it up about the "Democratic circular firing squad" have become as tedious and threadbare as those counseling "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Both of these admonitions have at their heart the notion that "liberals" are being irrational, unreasonable and rigid in refusing to accept the Senate health care bill.

But in the very next breath, they will then promote statistics that say the tea parties are more popular than either the Democratic or the Republican party, and wonder if it's an opportune time for a third party candidate. (From the "right," of course, because who would take the "left" seriously.) At no time do the synapses firing in their brains make the connection that both the "lazy progressive bloggers" and the tea party activists are saying almost the exact same thing about the Senate bill.

We indeed live in strange times.

457 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:45:17am

re: #452 sattv4u2

You said something. I answered: "I don't get it. I said this. Did you really mean this? Please clarify." That's reasonable, I would say.

458 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:45:41am

re: #444 Spare O'Lake

I don't think there was even a scintilla of evidence that he was wishing harm to anyone.

Oh, yes, there is. He said "pray".

459 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:45:56am

re: #446 Killgore Trout

He's right. Conservatives have discredited themselves by associating with these people. The hysterics have been embarrassing.

So to prove that point Senator Whitehouse goes into hysterics!

Cool!

460 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:46:31am

Hmmm. Trying to go back and find a source for my comment about Nelson possibly voting against the health bill itself, and now I can't find where I found that. Rats.

I must withdraw my comment; I have no information on Nelson's vote.

461 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:46:44am

Time for me to step back.

462 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:47:00am

re: #452 sattv4u2

And I said: "I can't read minds. But, in this particular political climate, this is a risky and problematic thing to say, no matter the intent". What's wrong with that?

463 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:47:09am

re: #457 suchislife

You said something. I answered: "I don't get it. I said this. Did you really mean this? Please clarify." That's reasonable, I would say.

No,,, you said that you didn't get it (at that point, stop and ask for calrification) But you didn't, you commented on something you "didn't get".Sorry, but I found that odd!

464 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:47:30am

re: #461 MandyManners

Time for me to step back.

I'm coming wif ya!

465 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:48:27am

re: #456 lawhawk

Indeed.

466 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:50:00am

re: #452 sattv4u2

If you "don't know what I'm saying", how can you comment on it!?!?!

You seem a bit agitated, and frankly, I think it stops you from fairly reading my comments, which is a bit ironic, since you accuse me of the same thing vis a vis Coburn. But I'm not saying he meant whatever, I'm saying that was a problematic thing to say, given the circumstance.

467 McSpiff  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:50:25am

re: #459 sattv4u2

So to prove that point Senator Whitehouse goes into hysterics!

Cool!

Right, we should follow the left's tactics of hysteria. That will make people love us!

468 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:50:29am

I'm off to the deli, Lizards. The shipment from Chicago is in and I want to be one of the first in line.
Have a nice morning.

469 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:51:21am

And I'm not even gonna comment (irony) on MandyManners riding to the defense of praying, which no one attacked, when her avatar is Calvin pissing on the word Allah in Arabic

470 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:52:18am

re: #467 McSpiff

Right, we should follow the left's tactics of hysteria. That will make people love us!

I know that was tongue in cheek, but no, we shouldn't. Nor should we lead the way nor respond in kind. AND, we should condemn those on that right when they do it

That all stated, to infer the "hysteria" is only coming from one side is just as bad

471 albusteve  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:52:19am

re: #469 suchislife

And I'm not even gonna comment (irony) on MandyManners riding to the defense of praying, which no one attacked, when her avatar is Calvin pissing on the word Allah in Arabic

you just did

472 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:53:13am

re: #461 MandyManners

Time for me to step back.

GET BACK LORETTA!

473 ED 209  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:53:33am

re: #452 sattv4u2


You can't unring a bell!

You shouldn't make such blanket statements- if you generate a tone exactly out of phase with the tone of the bell you cancel out the sound and have effectively "unrung the bell".

/

474 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:54:17am

re: #466 suchislife

You seem a bit agitated

Not in the slightest. I suggest that you try not to assign meaning and/ or fellings to others. From my, seat so far you're 0 for 2 today!

475 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:55:03am

re: #471 albusteve

you just did

Ah, dammit ,, now you've gone and told him!

476 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:55:52am

re: #473 ED 209

You shouldn't make such blanket statements- if you generate a tone exactly out of phase with the tone of the bell you cancel out the sound and have effectively "unrung the bell".

/

If a bell rings in a steeple and theres nobody around ,,,,,,,,

477 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:56:45am

re: #468 Semper Fi

I'm off to the deli, Lizards. The shipment from Chicago is in and I want to be one of the first in line.
Have a nice morning.

PASTRAMI ,,,, I NEED PASTRAMI ,,

((haven't had a decent Hot Pastrami sammich since I moved to Gerogia!)

478 ED 209  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:57:13am

re: #476 sattv4u2

If a bell rings in a steeple and theres nobody around ,,,

Then the atheists have won! Yay!

/

479 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:57:54am

re: #478 ED 209

Then the atheists have won! Yay!

/

Don't atheists hear bells??

Thats just sad!

480 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:58:12am

re: #477 sattv4u2

PASTRAMI ,,, I NEED PASTRAMI ,,

((haven't had a decent Hot Pastrami sammich since I moved to Gerogia!)

Take a trip to Chicago, we've got it! :)

481 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:58:53am

re: #477 sattv4u2

since I moved to Gerogia!)

Isn't a gerogia a senior citizen's version of perogie?

482 McSpiff  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:59:00am

re: #470 sattv4u2

I know that was tongue in cheek, but no, we shouldn't. Nor should we lead the way nor respond in kind. AND, we should condemn those on that right when they do it

That all stated, to infer the "hysteria" is only coming from one side is just as bad

Not that I really need to state this in LGF of all places, but I think groups like Code Pink et all have made it very clear that the left is perfectly capable of hysteria. Believe me, as a leftist I was just as a sick of hearing about how Bush was going to throw me in a FEMA camp and feed my family to Blackwater as many conservatives are now sick of hearing about how Obama is going throw them into FEMA camps and feed their families to ACORN.

Bad Crazy is just that, bad crazy. I don't associate it with any particular ideology or end of the political spectrum.

PS: Just realized i spoke of left-wing hysteria in the past tense. Didn't mean to imply it's not going on today, but it always seems to get taken up a notch when you aren't in power.

483 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 8:59:58am

re: #477 sattv4u2

PASTRAMI ,,, I NEED PASTRAMI ,,

((haven't had a decent Hot Pastrami sammich since I moved to Gerogia!)

Griller's Pride Kosher Deli

484 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:00:17am

re: #474 sattv4u2

1. I did not, I repeat not, assign any intent or meaning to Coburts words. I said, considering the context, he should have picked them better.

2. I deliberately quoted you to show that I thought you were agitated because of the !!?! Also, it was a bit of a joke, because we were talking about projecting.

485 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:00:18am

re: #477 sattv4u2

Katz's delivers.

486 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:00:40am

re: #482 McSpiff

updinged, and thanks

487 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:01:23am

re: #471 albusteve

yes. That's why I wrote (irony!). It means, what I say is not what I mean.

488 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:02:20am

re: #485 lawhawk

Katz's delivers.

Cool

Last Thankgskinving I had 2 Ricotta Cheese Pies delivered from Mikes Pastry in the North End of Boston to me here in Georgia

Cost me $65 for the two pies plus delivery, but was WELL worth it!

489 ED 209  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #479 sattv4u2

Don't atheists hear bells??

Thats just sad!

?
Your statement makes no sense.

490 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:04:26am

re: #489 ED 209

?
Your statement makes no sense.

Bells can make beautiful music.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:04:45am

re: #482 McSpiff

That's what I've said!

(just not as well. Or as good either!)

492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:05:11am

re: #482 McSpiff
Let's drop that sumbitch in the top ten! C'mon y'all!

493 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:05:29am

Ah the brandnew cat Overlord has spoken. He just started calling from the basement, "Feed me, meroowww, feed me!"

494 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:06:53am

re: #484 suchislife

1. I did not, I repeat not, assign any intent or meaning to Coburts words. I said, considering the context, he should have picked them better.

2. I deliberately quoted you to show that I thought you were agitated because of the !!?! Also, it was a bit of a joke, because we were talking about projecting.

right!!!!

He says this not privately, spontaneously, but on the senate floor, before a nationwide backdrop of crazies from his party calling this bill evil, Hitler-like and calling for violence to stop it

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

495 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:07:12am

Well, this song will help people get in the Christmas mood.

496 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:08:15am

re: #483 Alouette

Griller's Pride Kosher Deli

Dammit ,, now i'm starving!!

497 McSpiff  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:08:22am

re: #492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Aha thanks FBV!

498 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:08:37am

re: #494 sattv4u2

Yes? Where do I say anything about his intent? What I say is, he had time to think about whether this is a good thing to say, and he should take into account what is happening in the rest of the country.

499 jaunte  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:08:39am

re: #418 Killgore Trout

This is making the rounds today...
Sen. Coburn: ‘People Ought To Pray’ That A Senator ‘Can’t Make The Vote Tonight’

He even pauses when he says it. I think he knows what he's implying.

I suppose some people might be upset with Coburn for using his relationship with the supreme being unfairly, or other people might be upset with him for trivializing their religion. I think this falls into the "I hope the opposing team can't make another touchdown" category of praying, which is a kind of spiritual email spam.

500 albusteve  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:08:41am

Mr. Obama promised a new era of transparent good government, yet on Saturday morning Mr. Reid threw out the 2,100-page bill that the world's greatest deliberative body spent just 17 days debating and replaced it with a new "manager's amendment" that was stapled together in covert partisan negotiations. Democrats are barely even bothering to pretend to care what's in it, not that any Senator had the chance to digest it in the 38 hours before the first cloture vote at 1 a.m. this morning. After procedural motions that allow for no amendments, the final vote could come at 9 p.m. on December 24.

so how does the public get to view this bill...will it be posted as promised?...claims are made there is no hiding anything, so where do we get to review it?....where can we see the pork deals that were cut?...I hate the feds

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

501 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:08:51am

re: #492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let's drop that sumbitch in the top ten! C'mon y'all!

beat ya too it!

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:09:13am

re: #497 McSpiff

No, thank you. Helluva post.

503 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:10:55am

re: #498 suchislife

Yes? Where do I say anything about his intent? What I say is, he had time to think about whether this is a good thing to say, and he should take into account what is happening in the rest of the country.

He says this not privately, spontaneously, but on the senate floor, before a nationwide backdrop of crazies

504 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:11:44am

re: #494 sattv4u2

Ah. I just realized. Because I forgot a comma after Hitler-like, you might read as Coburn being Hitler-like and calling for violence. But really, why would I say something like that? And why wouldn't you ask before ascribing such a weird idea to me? Also, I clarified this above.

505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:12:35am

re: #500 albusteve

Friend of mine posted on Facebook that she got an extra day off today because of snow. I said, "Federal Worker?" in a snide attempt to bitch about us stiffs having to go to work, without regard to weather whilst federal employees get to hang out at home.

She said, "Yeah. We never get days like this off!"

Went over her head by 50,000 ft.

Of course, I am off today. WHAT'S IT TO YA! I'm always off on Mondays, tho.

506 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:13:41am

re: #503 sattv4u2

How is that intent? That's just a description of the situation. He was up on the senate floor. (not intent) There are currently quite a lot of crazies. (not intent)
?? I really don't understand.

507 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:14:06am

re: #504 suchislife

Also, I clarified this above

You keep having to clarify statements you post. Perhaps previewing a comment prior to hitting "post this comment" would he helpful!

508 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:15:11am

The War on Christmas! (David Duke)

What happened to saying 'Merry Christmas'? (Ben Stein)

509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:15:17am

re: #506 suchislife

re: #507 sattv4u2

Am I going to have to come and sit between you two?

510 vxbush  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:16:03am

re: #499 jaunte

I suppose some people might be upset with Coburn for using his relationship with the supreme being unfairly, or other people might be upset with him for trivializing their religion. I think this falls into the "I hope the opposing team can't make another touchdown" category of praying, which is a kind of spiritual email spam.

Exactly my thought, but far better said.

511 McSpiff  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:16:34am

It really is almost funny how much overlap there is between the hysteria on both sides, at least in my mind. Is there really any difference in the level of crazy between

"Bush is a War Criminal!" and "Obama is a Muslim Usurper!"

"Bush is a skull and bones plant!" and "Obama is a communist plant!"

"9/11 was a bush plot!" and "Obama will allow another muslim attack on America!"

Only difference I see is more of a racial/ethnoreligious undertone to some of the attacks on Obama. But there was also constant suggestions that Bush was racist, so maybe that too balances out.

512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:16:37am

If I don't get something done, my wife is going to take a chunk out of my ass (and not in a good way!). Better get at something!

513 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:16:41am

re: #507 sattv4u2

I regret the agitated comment. That was uncalled for, and a cheap shot. Let's stick to actual arguments, and avoid ad hominems and unsolicited advice.

514 albusteve  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:20:08am

re: #505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Friend of mine posted on Facebook that she got an extra day off today because of snow. I said, "Federal Worker?" in a snide attempt to bitch about us stiffs having to go to work, without regard to weather whilst federal employees get to hang out at home.

She said, "Yeah. We never get days like this off!"

Went over her head by 50,000 ft.

Of course, I am off today. WHAT'S IT TO YA! I'm always off on Mondays, tho.

I love old cars, racers and the like...there is a shop near me, where a guy runs a very lucrative business rebuilding old trucks...just trucks, deliveries, panels, pick ups...he offered me a job dinking around the joint doing some body work, a little welding, helping with suspensions and drive trains....I was thrilled and might take it...a cool little job for a retired, cripple like me....hot rods rock

515 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:20:26am

re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #507 sattv4u2

Am I going to have to come and sit between you two?

If you did, we wouldn't even be in the same room, Ya Fat Bastard!

516 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:20:47am

re: #511 McSpiff

I more or less agree. However, I see the right wing craziness as more of a serious threat. The militias are very dangerous. I don't remember any Code Pink idiots bringing guns to Bush appearances.

517 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:21:32am

re: #499 jaunte

BINGO!

518 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:22:57am

re: #514 albusteve

I love old cars, racers and the like...there is a shop near me, where a guy runs a very lucrative business rebuilding old trucks...just trucks, deliveries, panels, pick ups...he offered me a job dinking around the joint doing some body work, a little welding, helping with suspensions and drive trains...I was thrilled and might take it...a cool little job for a retired, cripple like me...hot rods rock

If you could do it in your own timeframe (meaning, come and go as you feel phyically up to it) it would be GREAT!

519 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:23:01am

From Murdoch's Wall Street Journal....
President Obama and a New World Order

This is why the Birch Society is back.

520 webevintage  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:23:59am

re: #500 albusteve

The Senate bill is here:
[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

and the managers amendments are here:
[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

The changes will not be made until the managers amendment is voted on late tonight or early Tuesday. Then the full bill will be online and the vote to pass it will be sometime early Christmas morning.

521 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:24:44am

Hm. Time for a goofball Christmas break: a children's Christmas song given delightful new life by two of the most unique American voices, ever -- Leon Redbone and Cr. John.

Frosty!

522 webevintage  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:25:15am

re: #493 Jadespring

Ah the brandnew cat Overlord has spoken. He just started calling from the basement, "Feed me, meroowww, feed me!"

You live with Basement Cat?
*shiver*

523 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:25:43am

re: #519 Killgore Trout

From Murdoch's Wall Street Journal...
President Obama and a New World Order

This is why the Birch Society is back.

It was also in the UK's Telegraph yesterday

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

524 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:26:10am

re: #521 Slap

Cr. John.

Ahem.

DR. John.

pimf....

525 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:26:14am

re: #477 sattv4u2

PASTRAMI ,,, I NEED PASTRAMI ,,

((haven't had a decent Hot Pastrami sammich since I moved to Gerogia!)

I shaved and showered. Now heading for the door. It's a Polish Deli that opens at 10 am and they get many items from Chicago. I'm in Las Vegas right now.
Catch ya' later.

526 acwgusa  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:27:12am

I've said it before, and I will say it again. I need to re-read the HCR bill to see if it covers mental health, because it appears that a frightening majority of the right wing need help, if they freak out over a HEALTH CARE BILL!

527 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:28:12am

re: #519 Killgore Trout

re: #523 sattv4u2

It was also in the UK's Telegraph yesterday

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Which, iirc, has nothing to do with Murdoch, although it does lean conservative

528 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:28:35am

I almost came in kicking arse and taking names. While the thread was loading, I thought someone had taken my Jelly Bellys!

/put the bag in a different cabinet, no problem!

529 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #519 Killgore Trout

From Murdoch's Wall Street Journal...
President Obama and a New World Order

This is why the Birch Society is back.


That article is from an EU-type in support of more global institutions. It's about as far away from the militia types as you can get. Nothing wrong with WSJ running it at all, even if I don't really agree with it.

530 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:29:01am

re: #517 sattv4u2

BINGO!

Not to reopen this, but I'm sure we're really not that far apart.
1. I totally agree that this is a reasonable interpretation of what Coburn said.
2. However, because there are quite a lot of (coincidentally) religious nuts out there calling for revolution and murder to stop this bill, and they are loosely aligned with his Party, he might want to clarify this, so there is no misunderstanding.
3. If he doesn't clarify it, I personally wouldn't wish any kind of political blow back on him, because it is trivial.
4. However, I think it's Ok to mention, on the same day and on a blog, that this was an unfortunate thing to say, considering 2.

531 albusteve  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:30:22am

re: #518 sattv4u2

If you could do it in your own timeframe (meaning, come and go as you feel phyically up to it) it would be GREAT!

I'm getting healthier, altho I did just go through a serious infection in my leg...but the point is these guys are rich and famous, and I was photographing a new rebuild when one came out and we chatted about stuff and the point was very casual and leisurely...I have no debt and plenty to see me through so it would basically be for fun...these are not just trucks, they are street rods...wooohooo!

532 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:30:25am

re: #526 acwgusa

I've said it before, and I will say it again. I need to re-read the HCR bill to see if it covers mental health, because it appears that a frightening majority of the right wing need help, if they freak out over a HEALTH CARE BILL!

I'm conservative, and I'm freaking out over a bill that is simply a big pay off to drug companies, insurance companies and other special interest groups... and all wrapped up in MORE control of your life by the federal government.

You happy with all the handouts going to big business, yes, no? And don't tell me there is no handouts to big business.

And how can you read it, is there a copy of the MOST RECENT senate bill available? What, you have some inside source that other senators and citizens don't have?

Questions, questions, questions... any answers?

534 albusteve  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #520 webevintage

The Senate bill is here:
[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

and the managers amendments are here:
[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

The changes will not be made until the managers amendment is voted on late tonight or early Tuesday. Then the full bill will be online and the vote to pass it will be sometime early Christmas morning.

shades of the Stimulus bill...I have no confidence thr feds know everything that is in this thing, how it's going to work or if they even care....there are multitudes of experts that have huge problems with this thing...what's the rush?...where is any popular debate?...later when the final behemoth is about to go to the president?....only a fool would believe this bill is what they say it is....I didn't just fall off a potato truck....you trust the feds, good for you...I don't and never will

535 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:35:59am

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

Glenn Beck is somewhere doing the Rockefeller Boogie.

536 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:36:14am

re: #532 Walter L. Newton

Questions, questions, questions... any answers

If it's multiple choice, I'll go with "E", none (or all) of the above

If it's an essay, i'm screwed!

//

537 webevintage  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:37:11am

re: #532 Walter L. Newton


And how can you read it, is there a copy of the MOST RECENT senate bill available? What, you have some inside source that other senators and citizens don't have?

This IS the most recent bill:
[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

These are the changes that will be voted on Tuesday morning:
[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

Once the managers amendment is voted on then the bill with the changes will be voted on, probably Christmas morning.
Even then that will not be the final bill as this will go to conference and be merged with the House bill.

539 subsailor68  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:37:32am

re: #532 Walter L. Newton

Hi Walter! Yep, and we can add payoffs to particular senators, particular states, and even - as SteveC notes - the cosmetic surgery industry, at the expense of the tanning salon industry.

It is not - as you pointed out - freaking out over a health reform bill, it is simply being opposed to THIS particular bill.

540 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:38:52am

re: #536 sattv4u2

Questions, questions, questions... any answers

If it's multiple choice, I'll go with "E", none (or all) of the above

If it's an essay, i'm screwed!

//

You could just answer F: Ron Paul. :D

541 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:39:42am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck is somewhere doing the Rockefeller Boogie.

Or raking his fingernails across his blackboard.

542 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:40:46am

Is that Tanning Salon tax discriminatory? Because I don't recall seeing anyone but WASPs in a Tanning Salon.

543 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:40:57am

re: #533 SteveC

The cosmetic surgery tax was never going to recover the kind of revenues that would make it work; just look at NJ which already has a cosmetic surgery tax. It has failed to live up to its revenues. It generates about $30 million a year in NJ.

Just don't expect the tax on tanning to be any different. It's a nickel and diming of America via taxes that most people wont end up paying, and which may end up killing still more jobs.

544 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #543 lawhawk

The cosmetic surgery tax was never going to recover the kind of revenues that would make it work; just look at NJ which already has a cosmetic surgery tax. It has failed to live up to its revenues. It generates about $30 million a year in NJ.

Just don't expect the tax on tanning to be any different. It's a nickel and diming of America via taxes that most people wont end up paying, and which may end up killing still more jobs.

Maybe it's the Arthur Ashe school of Taxation: A little bit here, a little bit there, and soon you're talking about some real money!

545 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:42:41am

What do tanning salons have to do with health care anyway?

546 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:43:32am

re: #545 Jadespring

Active development of future skin carcinoma consumers, dontcha know.

547 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:44:07am

re: #545 Jadespring

What do tanning salons have to do with health care anyway?

Keeps obesity down by making your wallet/purse lose weight.

548 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:44:22am

re: #545 Jadespring

What do tanning salons have to do with health care anyway?

By the way, how are working out as a member of your cat's staff?

549 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:45:14am

re: #545 Jadespring

What do tanning salons have to do with health care anyway?

People that are tanned look a LOT healthier than someone who is very pale and drawn!
Haven;t you even been told, in horror "your face, you so look pale, are you okay?"

You NEVER hear, "what a great tan you have, you must be deathly ill!!"
Shhheeeessshhhhh!!

550 jaunte  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:46:06am

re: #545 Jadespring

I think the tax on tanning salons might be an attempt to alter consumer behavior, to save money on skin cancer surgery later.

551 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:46:06am

re: #549 sattv4u2

Haven;t you even been told, in horror "your face, you so look pale, are you okay?"

But I'm too sick to die!

552 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:46:29am

Hot Air readers are freaking out...

It’s revolution time.

Skywise on December 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM


....

Not going to participate. (As if I could afford it!) If I can get the money together, I’m buying a gun.

joe_doufu on December 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM


....

God, the Chicago thug presidency. It’s just so ghetto and banana republic

Oil Can on December 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM


.....

The Republic is dead, time for Revolution!

omnipotent on December 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM

553 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:46:51am

re: #551 SteveC

Which is why your case is to be reviewed by the Skin Panel.

554 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:47:28am

re: #522 webevintage

You live with Basement Cat?
*shiver*

If you had a drop ceiling in your basement (like I had) and your cat lived in that, wouldn't it be Ceiling Basement Cat? (and the world would explode?)

I did have one of my cats in said drop ceiling once. He and his brother had caught a starling in the house. I'm chasing after said cat in order to get the bird away from him, and he is fleeing from me since he doesn't want to give it up. (And the second cat is trailing the action to watch the fun.)

Since my first floor is circular in nature there is no easy place to corner the cat. So I open the door to the basement to block access to the kitchen and hopefully herd him down there where he will be easier to catch. That works and the cat heads down the stairs. Halfway down, the starling takes the initiative and grabs the light carpeting on the stairs with its feet.

This surprises the cat and causes him to drop the bird. Bird promptly flies up into a gap in the drop ceiling. Now I have a loose starling and a couple of cats giving me the eye for causing them to lose their prey.

Immediate (and stupid) thought is to get a cat into the drop ceiling to flush the bird out. Nearest cat is volunteered and rapidly placed there. He initially goes for it since he can hear the bird rattling around on the ceiling tiles. However, a short time later I have a bird rattling around in the ceiling, and an upset cat meowing a storm in the ceiling. (Half-siamese - sounds like an air raid siren when he is upset or ready to fight.)

I find a appropriate spot and get the cat out of the ceiling. He is dusty and not pleased. So I clean him off, and get the cats out of the way by giving them some freshly un-canned tuna to eat. Bird still wandering around.

To finish up...

Next morning I close all doors on second floor and leave basement door open figuring the bird would eventually come out. Next afternoon I return from work and am not greeted at front door by the cats. So something is up. One cat comes halfway down the stairs from the second floor, sees that it is me, and goes back up the stairs.

I get a pair of gloves on and go up the stairs. The starling is perched in corner of the ceiling right where two door frames are close together. Circling below are two cats ready to take up the chase.

I grab the starling, take it downstairs, and toss it out the front door where it immediately takes flight and clears the area. I think it got off lightly all things considered.

555 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:47:48am

re: #526 acwgusa

I've said it before, and I will say it again. I need to re-read the HCR bill to see if it covers mental health, because it appears that a frightening majority of the right wing need help, if they freak out over a HEALTH CARE BILL!

Well, I answered you in re: #532 Walter L. Newton... having trouble with an answer?

556 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:47:49am

re: #553 Slap

Which is why your case is to be reviewed by the Dead Skin Panel.


ftfy, but updinged

557 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:48:37am

re: #553 Slap

Which is why your case is to be reviewed by the Skin Panel.

If that involves Skin Flicks and Skin Magazines, I'm gonna set the industry back about 200 years.

558 jaunte  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:48:53am

re: #553 Slap

Which is why your case is to be reviewed by the Skin Panel.

There's got to be a 'Pale-in' joke in there somewhere.

559 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:49:10am

re: #548 Dark_Falcon

By the way, how are working out as a member of your cat's staff?

Well I fed him right after he called so I expect he will give me a decent mark on the 'completes tasks in a timely manner' section of my employee review.

560 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:50:15am

re: #552 Killgore Trout

Hot Air readers are freaking out...

Well, at least the Secret Service has an easier time tracking the loonies when they're all in one place.

561 Slap  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:51:47am

re: #558 jaunte

Careful -- could prompt a tweet about how caucasian-haters are out for her today.....

562 albusteve  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:52:29am

re: #560 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least the Secret Service has an easier time tracking the loonies when they're all in one place.

fairly innocuous stuff....I don't think the gen pop has much to fear from Hot Air commentators and the like

563 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:53:21am

re: #559 Jadespring

I keep getting dinged for "crams us in a box and takes us to those nasty veternarians with needles". :p

Though the aides there like my cats since they generally behave. Meow and complain, but tend not to try to claw and bite.

564 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:53:36am

re: #552 Killgore Trout

Hot Air readers are freaking out...

"What the hell is a hot air reader?"

"New Alternative Medicine, I think. I don't understand it very well."

565 The Left  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:53:44am

re: #482 McSpiff

Upding!!!

Speaking of left wing hysteria, this is the email that Jane Hamsher of FDL is sending round this am:

Hi [iceweasel] -

The Senate's health care bill must be killed.

It is an ungodly mess of errors, loopholes, and massive giveaways. When the American people find out what's actually in this bill, they will revolt. Congress and President Obama have no choice but to do better for health care than this bill.

Sign the petition: the Senate health care bill must be killed.

How bad is the bill?

1. Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations -- whether you want to or not
2. If you refuse to buy the insurance, you'll have to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS
3. After being forced to pay thousands in premiums for junk insurance, you can still be on the hook for up to $11,900 a year in out-of-pocket medical expenses.
4. Massive restriction on a woman's right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court
5. Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-ays
6. Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans won't see any benefits -- like an end to discrimination against those with preexisting conditions -- until 2014 when the program begins.
7. Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others
8. Grants monopolies to to drug companies that will keep generic versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market.
9. No reimportation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years
10. The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of 4 will rise an average of $1000 a year -- meaning in 10 years, you family's insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now.


I could go on, but it should be clear: this is not reform. This is a con job.

Sign our petition: kill the Senate bill.

Make no mistake, we need health care reform. But the Senate's idea of reform is a disaster, and will make things far worse than they are today.

We will continue to fight for real health care reform. Now, we must kill this fake reform.

Thanks for all you do.

Jane Hamsher
Firedoglake

P.S. Please, after you've signed, forward this email to your friends, family, coworkers - anyone you know. It's critical we act fast to kill the Senate bill, and we need everyone we can on board.

Anyone know if this has been factchecked anywhere yet? My understanding was that at least number 4 was a distortion. Not sure about the rest yet.

Anyway, I thought conservatives might take heart to know that MoveOn and FDL are pretty damned unhappy with the bill as well.

(sorry for the driveby, will be back later-- have a great day all. Apologies if someone already posted this)

566 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:57:28am

re: #550 jaunte

I think the tax on tanning salons might be an attempt to alter consumer behavior, to save money on skin cancer surgery later.

re: #549 sattv4u2

People that are tanned look a LOT healthier than someone who is very pale and drawn!
Haven;t you even been told, in horror "your face, you so look pale, are you okay?"

You NEVER hear, "what a great tan you have, you must be deathly ill!!"
Shhheeessshhh!!

re: #563 oaktree

I keep getting dinged for "crams us in a box and takes us to those nasty veternarians with needles". :p

Though the aides there like my cats since they generally behave. Meow and complain, but tend not to try to claw and bite.

Yeah I'm still having to make up for 'crams me in a box and takes me to a place that dismantles my private parts'. Major employee performance foul for that one.

567 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:57:48am

I find all sorts of interesting and useful information on Twitter... and then, someone starts tweeting about potty training their son.

TMI!

568 acwgusa  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:58:26am

re: #565 iceweasel

Upding!!!

Speaking of left wing hysteria, this is the email that Jane Hamsher of FDL is sending round this am:

Anyone know if this has been factchecked anywhere yet? My understanding was that at least number 4 was a distortion. Not sure about the rest yet.

Anyway, I thought conservatives might take heart to know that MoveOn and FDL are pretty damned unhappy with the bill as well.

(sorry for the driveby, will be back later-- have a great day all. Apologies if someone already posted this)

A good compromise makes EVERYONE unhappy. This one makes everyone unhappy, without the compromise.

569 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:58:47am

re: #566 Jadespring

Oh crap. Ignore those the first to quotes. I don't know how they got mixed up in there.

570 SteveC  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 9:59:09am

re: #566 Jadespring

Yeah I'm still having to make up for 'crams me in a box and takes me to a place that dismantles my private parts'. Major employee performance foul for that one.

Jadesping, you're fired!

/Donald Trumpcat

571 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 10:03:27am

re: #566 Jadespring

I was guilty of a double foul with the Siamese brothers. They got snipped and front-declawed at the same time. The latter is something I won't ever have done again to a cat. Though the new Cat II* (a calico) likes to get my attention by batting at my bare arm with the claws out. Not sure where she picked that habit up from.

*- Cat I is the surviving brother. 18 years old, deaf, and survived a hyperthyroid condition via radioactive iodine treatment. Cat II was adopted in March from a friend and is a 9 year old female calico. I'm of the opinion that having two cats is massively preferable to a single cat.

572 Jadespring  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 10:07:41am

re: #571 oaktree

I was guilty of a double foul with the Siamese brothers. They got snipped and front-declawed at the same time. The latter is something I won't ever have done again to a cat. Though the new Cat II* (a calico) likes to get my attention by batting at my bare arm with the claws out. Not sure where she picked that habit up from.

*- Cat I is the surviving brother. 18 years old, deaf, and survived a hyperthyroid condition via radioactive iodine treatment. Cat II was adopted in March from a friend and is a 9 year old female calico. I'm of the opinion that having two cats is massively preferable to a single cat.

I now how four since basement cat moved in two days ago. Actually the other three started out as basement cats at my parents. The older one just appeared and was pregnant so one soon turned into 6 and I took three of them. I always have at least two. Same with dogs. I just find that socially they function better.

573 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 10:11:55am

re: #572 Jadespring

Makes you wonder if cats have the equivalent markings to hobo signs indicating that there are good cat staff nearby...

574 webevintage  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 10:18:51am

Here is an interesting chart on Ezra Klien today:

[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

"You probably can't read the table atop this post. Click on it, it'll get bigger. It's the work of Jon Cohn and MIT's Jon Gruber, and it shows what health-care reform will mean for families at different levels of income.

The story isn't perfection but improvement. "

575 webevintage  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 10:19:33am

Darn.
Here is the correct link to Klein:

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

576 suchislife  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 10:21:10am

re: #575 webevintage

was just about to ask for it.

577 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 10:28:57am

Since cats are always on topic here's a second cat story.

Two Christmas seasons ago I'm up in western New York state visiting my brother. As previously related he has three "barn" cats living in the utility shed with the small tractor and various tools and implements. They get by with limited feeding since there are plenty of mice and chipmunks about to keep felines fed. And the shed entrance for them is elevated and fairly small for keeping the raccoons and foxes out.

On Christmas Eve my brother calls me while everyone else is out. He asks me to call a local animal shelter to see if they can take a cat. And that I should take the cat currently in a carrier in the utility shed there if I can.

Turns out that a male cat from a nearby farm has moved into the shed. Warm straw-lined box to snooze in, food available, and three smaller cats that he can bully as needed (two female, one male). My brother noticed this and has caught and put the cat in a carrier to be removed.

My brother wants me to do this in order to create plausible deniability. If neither his wife or daughter know that the male cat has been "disappeared" then if asked they will honestly say they haven't seen the cat.

Turns out the local shelter is a women acting as a go-between about 15 miles away. And they're currently closed for the holidays. So that's not going to be a solution. I go out to the shed, release the cat (who is quite the sociable cat), and then shoo him off the property in as non-violent a manner as possible. Tell my brother later on what has happened and that a shelter is a no-go as an option.

After dinner on Christmas I volunteer to take some turkey scraps down to the cats in the shed. Lo' and behold, guess who is in there sleeping in the straw-lined box. Not that I really expected him to stay away. So I catch the cat (rather easily) and he ends up back in the carrier - where he is not so pleased with himself.

I inform my brother (without his wife or daughter hearing) and other plans are made. He contacts someone he knows who has a dairy farm about 9-10 miles away, and they're willing to add another cat to their barn cat population.

The next morning my brother and I head out to run errands. We smuggle the carrier into the back of my car and head off. The cat freaks out partway there, and we have to stop to calm the cat, and rinse out the cat carrier.

Once we get to the dairy farm we release the cat near the barn. He initially hangs out with us for a few minutes since despite the various travails he is still sociable. Then he turns and just walks into the barn liked he'd been raised there.

578 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:31:49pm
One does not become fully human painlessly.

— Rollo May

I took a life drawing class from Rollo May's brother. I can't remember his first name. He was a pudgy old guy with incredibly thick glasses. He was always smiling and laughing. He showed us his portfolio of work done for Conrad Hilton in the 50s and 60s--great stuff like you see preserved on Lilek's site. A lot of my fellow students were the ladies who draw caricatures at Knott's Berry Farm and Disneyland. They loved Mr. May. I wish I could remember his first name, I can't figure it out from what I found on the internet. It cracks me up that Rollo is famous for writing The Courage to Create and My Quest for Beauty while his brother was doing it.


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