I’ve got some things to do today that will take me away from the computer, so posting will be kind of sporadic. In the meantime, here’s an open thread to soak up any excess verbiage and/or interesting linkage.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:19:45am |
Excess verbiage, I have plenty. Interesting links? Not so much.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:19:50am |
Here's to the last Open Thread of 2009. :D
/wait, I thought the Fence was the open thread.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:22:19am |
The other morning I posted "Holy shit" and a link to a story of a woman whose BAC was .40. Well, HOLY SHIT!!
[Link: www.rapidcityjournal.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:22:55am |
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:23:57am |
re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar
The other morning I posted "Holy shit" and a link to a story of a woman whose BAC was .40. Well, HOLY SHIT!!
[Link: www.rapidcityjournal.com...]
.708 Blood Alcohol? She may have found a cure for the AIDS virus. /now if she can just survive the cure...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:24:01am |
re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar
How much do you have to drink to do that to yourself?
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Mich-again Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:24:04am |
Ten years ago today the CT nuts were hunkering down for the end of civilization. I actually knew some people who were pretty convinced the 2000 switch was going to bring chaos and turmoil.
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avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:24:09am |
I thought we'd made it clear after 9-11 that agencies would have to share intelligence but it looks like the CIA failed to do so with the Christmas bomber.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:24:54am |
re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar
The other morning I posted "Holy shit" and a link to a story of a woman whose BAC was .40. Well, HOLY SHIT!!
[Link: www.rapidcityjournal.com...]
Damn. I'd check her for zombieism, just to be on the safe side.
Then again, Sturgis. She might have just been getting warmed up.
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:26:04am |
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prairiefire Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:26:13am |
re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Excess verbiage, I have plenty. Interesting links? Not so much.
FBV, I find you excess verbiage quite funny. I'm still working on my own link skills.
Need to run to the store as it is snowing, again. I upset my boy yesterday with the purchase of chocolate cupcakes, not vanilla Twinkies. I said I'm only buying this full of junk stuff because it is Christmas.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:26:34am |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How much do you have to drink to do that to yourself?
I posted a chart the other morning, but can't find it. But a guess would be "alot."
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Mich-again Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:26:53am |
re: #10 avanti
I thought we'd made it clear after 9-11 that agencies would have to share intelligence but it looks like the CIA failed to do so with the Christmas bomber.
It was projectionism. The CIA was afraid that all those other departments were full of leaks.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:26:57am |
Reports claiming that Mutallab didn't have a passport when he boarded NW Air Flt. 253 are untrue.
The suspected terrorist who tried to blow up Northwest Flight 253 Christmas day did present a passport to authorities in Amsterdam before boarding the Detroit-bound plane, Holland's counter-terrorism agency said Wednesday.Abdulmutallab arrived in Amsterdam on Friday from Lagos, Nigeria. After a layover of less than three hours, he passed through a security check at the gate in Amsterdam, including a hand baggage scan and a metal detector, officials said.
Abdulmutallab was carrying a valid Nigerian passport and had a valid U.S. visa, the Dutch said. His name did not appear on any Dutch list of terror suspects.
The problem is that his flight profile should have raised alarm bells - buying a 1-way ticket in Lagos for Nigeria to Detroit in cash; to say nothing of the warnings received by the CIA and Mutallab's own father contacting law enforcement to warn about his son's actions.
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:27:43am |
re: #9 Mich-again
Ten years ago today the CT nuts were hunkering down for the end of civilization. I actually knew some people who were pretty convinced the 2000 switch was going to bring chaos and turmoil.
I'm still eating dried hash browns canned in 1999. I wasn't expecting the world to end but there were lots of sales that were a good excuse to store up on emergency supplies and canned goods.
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prairiefire Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:27:47am |
I watched 7 minutes of Fox news report last night and had trouble sleeping.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:28:09am |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How much do you have to drink to do that to yourself?
We went over this yesterday. Depends on body weight, but you would have to down on the order of 24 shots of 80 proof liquor all at once to get there. Or save time refilling that tiny little shot glass, and just chug a couple of fifths without a pause.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:28:37am |
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:28:58am |
re: #10 avanti
We had a similar situation in the FBI/JTTF/US military communications of odd behaviors, communications, etc. on Fort Hood shooter Hasan. The bureaucracies and information sharing isn't anywhere near what is should be.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:29:18am |
re: #21 SixDegrees
We went over this yesterday. Depends on body weight, but you would have to down on the order of 24 shots of 80 proof liquor all at once to get there. Or save time refilling that tiny little shot glass, and just chug a couple of fifths without a pause.
Yeah. I found a calculator, couldn't even go that high. Unbelievable how someone could actually do something like that to herself.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:29:35am |
re: #21 SixDegrees
We went over this yesterday. Depends on body weight, but you would have to down on the order of 24 shots of 80 proof liquor all at once to get there. Or save time refilling that tiny little shot glass, and just chug a couple of fifths without a pause.
Not on my best day. I'll turn in my avatar.:(
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laZardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:29:56am |
re: #19 DaddyG
I'm still eating dried hash browns canned in 1999. I wasn't expecting the world to end but there were lots of sales that were a good excuse to store up on emergency supplies and canned goods.
Go ahead and pig out, there'll be more sales like that in about two years. ;)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:30:15am |
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Mich-again Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:30:23am |
re: #19 DaddyG
I'm still eating dried hash browns canned in 1999.
What? did you already run out of the Spam and Peanut Butter? ha.
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:31:52am |
re: #27 laZardo
Go ahead and pig out, there'll be more sales like that in about two years. ;)
Mostly on dried maize and chipoltle peppers. /
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:32:28am |
re: #29 Mich-again
What? did you already run out of the Spam and Peanut Butter? ha.
The canned meat and PB always goes first. The pudding mix didn't last too long either.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:32:41am |
re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, lordy.
A Manhattan I.V.?
It's an astonishing amount. According to the article, half that much will kill about 50% of anyone consuming such quantities. I can't imagine she's in very good physical or mental shape, especially since she seems to make a habit of such drinking.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:32:50am |
re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar
I posted a chart the other morning, but can't find it. But a guess would be "alot."
"Man drink like that? He gonna die!" Sheriff Bart
"When?" Waco Kid
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:33:20am |
re: #32 SixDegrees
It's an astonishing amount. According to the article, half that much will kill about 50% of anyone consuming such quantities. I can't imagine she's in very good physical or mental shape, especially since she seems to make a habit of such drinking.
On the bright side she sweats hand sanitizer.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:33:42am |
re: #30 DaddyG
Mostly on dried maize and chipoltle peppers. /
And Tostitos.
/I fucken love the Hint of Lime flavor.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:34:19am |
re: #34 DaddyG
On the bright side she sweats hand sanitizer.
Yeah. Just the kind of person I'd want assisting in an operating theater, I'm sure.
"Please stand closer to the patient and exhale more."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:35:41am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:36:11am |
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Bear Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:37:01am |
Has it been reported here that last November a Somali was arrested at an airport there when found with chemicals and a syringe? This morning's Juneau Empire has the article posted. [Link: www.juneauempire.com...] Any one read about it elsewhere?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:37:18am |
re: #32 SixDegrees
It's an astonishing amount. According to the article, half that much will kill about 50% of anyone consuming such quantities. I can't imagine she's in very good physical or mental shape, especially since she seems to make a habit of such drinking.
She doesn't have a hair of the dog recovery the next day. She needs a whole mush team.
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avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:37:25am |
re: #17 lawhawk
Reports claiming that Mutallab didn't have a passport when he boarded NW Air Flt. 253 are untrue.
The problem is that his flight profile should have raised alarm bells - buying a 1-way ticket in Lagos for Nigeria to Detroit in cash; to say nothing of the warnings received by the CIA and Mutallab's own father contacting law enforcement to warn about his son's actions.
But some of the right wing blogs had long treads about the lack of passport, and no one questioned that rumor.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:37:52am |
re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What is a good movie to rent today? The last 8 days I've been really disappointed..Crappy movies..
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:37:54am |
re: #17 lawhawk
Not surprising. Reports about "some guy overhearing a conversation by some other guys" is hardly confirmation of real news.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:38:56am |
Why So Many Terrorists Get Their Start as Engineers
So what makes engineers more likely to become terrorists? The most obvious theory is their technical expertise; al-Qaida and other terror groups need to recruit people who can make bombs. But Gambetta and Hertog say that doesn't explain the overlap. Their study found that engineers serve the terrorist organizations they join in many more capacities than making or deploying explosives. A significant number held higher-level posts that didn't directly involve their engineering training at all.The authors instead conclude that the phenomenon is explained by a combination of mindset and professional circumstance. Citing studies finding that engineers as a group are more politically conservative than other professions, Gambetta and Hertog write that engineers by nature are more likely to be drawn to the kind of rigid, hierarchical worldviews that radical Islam provides: Their governing mentality "inclines them to take more extreme conservative and religious positions everywhere." What's more, although engineering is considered an elite profession in Middle Eastern countries, the region's job market for engineers dried up during the economic crises of the 1970s and '80s, frustrating that era's recent graduates and driving them to radicalize.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:39:02am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
What is a good movie to rent today? The last 8 days I've been really disappointed..Crappy movies..
District 9?
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prairiefire Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:39:17am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
The new Star Trek. Inglorious Bastards if you don't mind the air turning blue.
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Mich-again Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:40:40am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
We all watched Up the other day. That was good for a sappy kid's movie.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:40:48am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
What is a good movie to rent today? The last 8 days I've been really disappointed..Crappy movies..
Slap Shot!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:41:39am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
What is a good movie to rent today? The last 8 days I've been really disappointed..Crappy movies..
Watchmen
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:42:20am |
re: #48 NJDhockeyfan
I'm disappointed that New Jersey never signed Miroslav Satan... :p
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:42:22am |
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:42:57am |
re: #46 prairiefire
The new Star Trek. Inglorious Bastards if you don't mind the air turning blue.
Watched the new Star Trek a few days ago.. I'm not big on Sci-Fi...But I figured I'd check it out.. Didn't like it...Silly to me...
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:43:21am |
re: #50 oaktree
I'm disappointed that New Jersey never signed Miroslav Satan... :p
That would have been perfect. Satan should be a member of the Devils.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:43:39am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
What is a good movie to rent today? The last 8 days I've been really disappointed..Crappy movies..
Natural Born Killers, directors cut.
/It's a feel good movie.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:43:54am |
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Mich-again Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:44:24am |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
...engineers by nature are more likely to be drawn to the kind of rigid, hierarchical worldviews that radical Islam provides:
I think thats silly. Most all engineers I know and work with really dislike rigid hierarchy and top-down organizations. Maybe its different in the Mideast, but my take is that by and large engineers are most loyal to truth and logic, their boss is somewhere down in the pecking order.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:45:11am |
Iran's regime continues its crackdown and today sent out protesters of its own - who were shouting for the death of the opposition.
The regime, which liked to fashion itself as the modern day Ali to the Shah's Yazid (a replay of the Battle of Karbala in 680, which is recounted in Ashura), now finds the opposition playing the role of Ali and the regime's thugs playing Yazid.
The religious significance of the events of Ashura aren't lost on the opposition and Shi'a in general. That's why the regime's deadly crackdown resonates and once again shows that the regime seriously miscalculated its ability to contain and control the situation (starting with their rigging the election of Ahmadinejad over Mousavi).
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:46:02am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
What is a good movie to rent today? The last 8 days I've been really disappointed..Crappy movies..
Have you seen "Syriana" or "The Cooler"? Very good films that you might have missed when they were released.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:46:50am |
re: #56 Mich-again
I think thats silly. Most all engineers I know and work with really dislike rigid hierarchy and top-down organizations. Maybe its different in the Mideast, but my take is that by and large engineers are most loyal to truth and logic, their boss is somewhere down in the pecking order.
This. I'm an engineer, and while a clear chain of command is nice, we prefer to let our brains rule the day and are largely independent types.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:46:57am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
Which movies did you see that were crappy?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:47:00am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
What is a good movie to rent today? The last 8 days I've been really disappointed..Crappy movies..
If you have never seen "The Contender" I recommend it.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:47:33am |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:47:40am |
I'm experiencing our wonderful new airport security at first hand today -- now standing in line at LAX, typing this on my iPhone.
Six hate mails already this morning-- some of these idiots are amazingly persistent. I'm not sure what they think they're accomplishing with these emails. I just delete them unread ...
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:48:56am |
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:49:53am |
re: #17 lawhawk
Reports claiming that Mutallab didn't have a passport when he boarded NW Air Flt. 253 are untrue.
The problem is that his flight profile should have raised alarm bells - buying a 1-way ticket in Lagos for Nigeria to Detroit in cash; to say nothing of the warnings received by the CIA and Mutallab's own father contacting law enforcement to warn about his son's actions.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:50:01am |
re: #62 ryannon
Oh yeah! Sean in black leather chaps!
Too fetching!
/
And matching black leather hot pants!
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:50:13am |
re: #62 ryannon
Oh yeah! Sean in black leather chaps!
Too fetching!
/
There were no chaps. They were red leather underwear and knee high boots. Get it right.
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:50:42am |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
We need to shut down the institutions radicalizing our students. Like Georgia Tech, MIT and Cal Tech! /
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:51:17am |
A history of the world in 100 objects
MAN is one of a number of animals that make things, but man is the only one that depends for its very survival on the things he has made. That simple observation is the starting point for an ambitious history programme that the BBC will begin broadcasting on January 18th in which it aims to tell a history of the world through 100 objects in the British Museum (BM). A joint venture four years in the making between the BM and the BBC, the series features 100 15-minute radio broadcasts, a separate 13 episodes in which children visit the museum at night and try to unlock its mysteries, a BBC World Service package of tailored omnibus editions for broadcasting around the world and an interactive digital programme involving 350 museums in Britain which will be available free over the internet.
The presenter is Neil MacGregor, the BM’s director, who has moved from the study of art to the contemplation of things. “Objects take you into the thought world of the past,” he says. “When you think about the skills required to make something you begin to think about the brain that made it.” From the first moment (the ghostly magnetic pulse from a star that exploded in the summer of 1054, as recorded at the Jodrell Bank Centre for Astrophysics) this series is radio at its best: inventive, clever, and yet always light on its feet.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:51:25am |
re: #68 DaddyG
We need to shut down the institutions radicalizing our students. Like Georgia Tech, MIT and Cal Tech! /
Look, let's just lay it out in the open: Engineers are geeks. Geeks like to blow stuff up. Therefore, engineers are terrorists. /
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:51:59am |
re: #48 NJDhockeyfan
Slap Shot!
Great Movie...I've watched every sports movie made..I think...I even checked out a website that listed the 10 worst sports movies of all time?
Hard to believe for the love of the game was like #1 or 2..LOL
Sports movies always have to have the girl that messes up the whole story..
Rocky had Adrian.. He couldn't even fight until she was like on her deathbed or something and she gives him her blessing and he runs out the room to fight the greatest fight of all time....
Sports movies always has a woman to mess with the hero... How about when the woman in black shot Robert Redford? How about Bull Durham? Smoking hot mentoring lady? Yup every sports movie is about the same
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:52:20am |
I haven't seen it, but the Hurt Locker is supposed to be quite good.
Other new movies to check out: Harry Potter and Half Blood Prince
For older flicks: North by Northwest - thrilling, sexy, and plot twists (what else do you expect from Hitchcock?)
Star Trek 2 - The Wrath of Khan (Khan. KHANNNN!!) and a good flick to watch to compare with the new cast - they really did get 'em right.
Dr. Zhivago (it's a gloriously tragic love story shot as only David Lean could and perfect for seeing by fireside).
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andres Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:53:06am |
re: #7 DaddyG
.708 Blood Alcohol? She may have found a cure for the AIDS virus. /now if she can just survive the cure...
Quite probably both were trying the recipes to "fool" the breath alcohol test. I remember a Mythbusters episode where Jamie and Adams got drunk in at the police and tried all these myths relating the alcohol test. What they found was that most doesn't affect the final result, but some (like using Listerin) causes the machine to see a much higher alcohol concentration (in their case, the number jumped over 50%).
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laZardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:53:20am |
Gotta head to bed. Got a lovely traditional firework-filled New Years Eve later tonight. :D Cheers!
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:53:47am |
re: #69 NJDhockeyfan
That's really, really fascinating, man, thanks for posting that.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:53:50am |
re: #63 Charles
A lot of that new security is the same as the old security... or that the TSA is actually following their own rules and regs to the letter, rather than streamlined for efficiency.
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:54:24am |
re: #70 thedopefishlives
Look, let's just lay it out in the open: Engineers are geeks. Geeks like to blow stuff up. Therefore, engineers are terrorists. /
My kids and I had lots of fun with some dry ice that came with a package yesterday. For future reference Coke 16 oz. bottles take a lot of pressure before exploding but when they do the noise is superb!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:54:26am |
re: #72 HoosierHoops
Great Movie...I've watched every sports movie made..I think...I even checked out a website that listed the 10 worst sports movies of all time?
Hard to believe for the love of the game was like #1 or 2..LOL
Sports movies always have to have the girl that messes up the whole story..
Rocky had Adrian.. He couldn't even fight until she was like on her deathbed or something and she gives him her blessing and he runs out the room to fight the greatest fight of all time...
Sports movies always has a woman to mess with the hero... How about when the woman in black shot Robert Redford? How about Bull Durham? Smoking hot mentoring lady? Yup every sports movie is about the same
Have you seen Baseketball?
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:56:03am |
re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There were no chaps. They were red leather underwear and knee high boots. Get it right.
The brain-bleach I had to use after seeing that film distorts the memories a bit.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:56:27am |
re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Which movies did you see that were crappy?
I've watched everything on pay per view from 4 christmases to the wrestler to star trek..I'm down to Julia and julia and the search function...
Nothing new worth even giving a hoopster movie review...Not like last summer when I reviewed the Dark Knight..Knocked my socks off..
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:56:35am |
In chilling scenes, television footage captured the moment that the bomber struck. A tightly packed crowd, dressed in black and holding aloft banners, solemnly shuffled down one of Karachi's main roads. Some performed the matam, beating their chests as they mourned the death of Imam Hussain, a grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, who was killed in 680 A.D. in the Iraqi city of Karbala. On all four sides, well-armed policemen and paramilitary guards surrounded the marchers. But even beefed-up security measures were unable to thwart the bomber, who blew himself up near the back of the crowd. After a loud blast, large plumes of white smoke filled the air. Some of the marchers fell to the ground, while others fled in a panic. "It was an inhuman act of terrorism," Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Pakistan's Foreign Minister, told TIME. Suspicion immediately fell on the Pakistani Taliban.SNIP
Since the 1980s, Pakistan's Shi'ite community has been subjected to brutal attacks from extremist Wahabi-inspired militant groups that regard them as heretics or apostates. With the emergence of the Pakistani Taliban, that threat has intensified. In recent years, the town of Parachinar in the wild tribal areas along the Afghan border, Baluchistan province's capital of Quetta, Dera Ismail Khan in the northwest, and parts of Punjab have been among the areas scarred by anti-Shi'ite attacks. The latest bombing will call attention to the Taliban's long-standing but murky presence in Karachi. Until this past week, they have resisted mounting attacks in the city, preferring to use the sprawling metropolis as a base for recruiting, smuggling weapons and racketeering for funds. Now there is fear that the city's Pashtun-speaking communities (where the Taliban find refuge) may come into conflict with Karachi's huge Urdu-speaking majority.
SNIP
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:57:40am |
re: #56 Mich-again
I think thats silly. Most all engineers I know and work with really dislike rigid hierarchy and top-down organizations. Maybe its different in the Mideast, but my take is that by and large engineers are most loyal to truth and logic, their boss is somewhere down in the pecking order.
I think the article was off base too.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:57:51am |
Here Hoops. This might help.
[Link: www.filmsite.org...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:58:21am |
re: #59 thedopefishlives
My experience with engineers is widely varied, so my following comment should be taken with a grain of salt since I am generalizing to a certain degree. (Varied: Raised by one, went to school for a few years as one, belong to a fraternity of them, work with some, and best friends with some.)
If any label got slapped on an engineer I think it would be along libertarian lines. They're trained to think logically, expected to problem solve, and do like things to be orderly and predictable. A result of this is that there is a solid belief in personal responsibility (you should be smart enough to work out problems and make proper decisions), co-operation among peers (you need to pull together to complete projects, but also have input), and that the world can be improved via proper planning and work. And I think the general irrationality they see in human organizations and decision-making can irritate them. (18-20 year-old engineering students in packs are simply a dangerous thing; too inexperienced to know better, too confident in their own abilities, smart enough to gather resources, and curious enough to attempt really outlandish stunts.)
Add in the cultural trappings and upbringing and you get a lot of variation from that base point. Much as it does for everyone else. Engineers are subject to the same human foibles as anyone else. So they become abusive, alcoholic, etc. just like other people as well.
Having an engineer radicalize doesn't surprise me. Frustration can make one go places that appear totally illogical.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:58:56am |
re: #73 lawhawk
I just watched Hurt Locker at home yesterday. Really gritty, really good. BTW it's an Awards screener not a bootleg copy. I sternly disapprove of bootleg DVD's.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:59:22am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:59:30am |
re: #84 MandyManners
Thanks. I like the shirt the guy is wearing that says "Please don't feed the models."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:59:42am |
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:00:48am |
re: #79 Mad Al-Jaffee
Have you seen Baseketball?
I tried...blah...I'm a more of a We are Marshall Sports movies...
I think I've seen every old B&W sports movie about the Babe or whoever...
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:01:12am |
re: #82 MandyManners
As we were reading the threads and news on Iran, our local PBS ran its documentary on Neda. Truly a tearful moment. We wish the Green Revolution well.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:01:13am |
re: #78 DaddyG
My kids and I had lots of fun with some dry ice that came with a package yesterday. For future reference Coke 16 oz. bottles take a lot of pressure before exploding but when they do the noise is superb!
Me, I'm a bona fide pyrotechnician along with my normal engineering vices. I have a certification from Pyrotechnics Guild, International, that many U.S. states will accept as a valid license to perform fireworks shows.
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:01:26am |
re: #80 ryannon
The brain-bleach I had to use after seeing that film distorts the memories a bit.
Focus on Charlotte Rampling and you'll be OK.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:01:45am |
Venezuela blames U.S. for "destabilizing" Iran
CARACAS, Dec 30 (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's government accused the United States on Wednesday of fomenting violence to undermine the Iranian administration.
The socialist Chavez is a friend of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has been cracking down on opposition protests in which eight people have died during the bloodiest unrest since the aftermath of a disputed June vote.
"The government of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela categorically rejects the attempts at destabilization promoted by the U.S. government against the people and government of Iran," Venezuela's foreign ministry said in a statement.
"The Bolivarian government is surprised that a group of governments, led by the U.S. empire, are echoing a campaign to divide and spread violence among Iranians, in contravention of elemental norms of peace, non-interference and respect for sovereignty," it added.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:02:18am |
re: #88 Rightwingconspirator
I just watched Hurt Locker at home yesterday. Really gritty, really good. BTW it's an Awards screener not a bootleg copy. I sternly disapprove of bootleg DVD's.
Especially when you can get Awards screeners.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:03:08am |
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:04:08am |
State and local tax revenues dropped again in the 3d Quarter 2009. That's the 4th straight quarter of drops, and even with states raising taxes and fees to close their budget gaps, we're going to see problems for a long time to come.
Oh, and the health care reform isn't going to help either, as it shifts some of the Medicare/Medicaid burden on to states, particularly NY and CA, which already go above and beyond what is the minimum required. Both states expect that the Senate version would blow multi-billion dollar holes in their budgets, even as both states are already in multi-billion dollar deficit situations.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:04:13am |
re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
For SciFi fans try Sunshine from a couple years ago. Love that film and its soundtrack.
re: #97 ryannon
Well I'm not SAG, but a bunch of my apartment neighbors are SAG or Union labor. In my zip code I'm surrounded by the biz. Bootleg DVD's take food from my friends plates so to speak.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:04:14am |
Colo. mom, baby revived after Christmas Eve birth
DENVER – A Colorado woman says a Christmas miracle brought her and her newborn son back from the brink of death after her heart stopped beating during childbirth and the baby was delivered showing no signs of life.
"I got a second chance in life," Tracy Hermanstorfer said.
Hermanstorfer, 33, was being prepped for childbirth at Memorial Hospital in Colorado Springs Thursday morning. Her 37-year-old husband was by her side when she began to feel sleepy and lay back in her bed.
"She literally stopped breathing and her heart stopped," her husband, Mike, told The Associated Press. Pandemonium erupted as doctors and nurses tried to revive her with chest compressions and a breathing tube, but nothing worked.
"I was holding her hand when we realized she was gone," Mike Hermanstorfer said. "My entire life just rolled out."
Doctors told him, "We're going to take your son out now. We have been unable to revive her and we're going to take your son out," he recalled.
After the Cesarean section, some of the team rushed his wife to the operating room while the others attended to Coltyn. They handed him to Mike Hermanstorfer, who said the baby was "absolutely lifeless."
"My legs went out from underneath me," Hermanstorfer said. "I had everything in the world taken from me, and in an hour and a half I had everything given to me."
The doctors went to work on Coltyn as Hermanstorfer held him, and soon he began to breath.
"His life began in my hands," Hermanstorfer said. "That's a feeling like none other. Life actually began in the palm of my hands."
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:04:18am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
What is a good movie to rent today? The last 8 days I've been really disappointed..Crappy movies..
The Stunt Man, starring Peter O'Toole and Barbara Hershey
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:04:24am |
A basketball movie...
[Link: movies.yahoo.com...]
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:04:27am |
re: #98 MandyManners
Oh, shut the fuck up, Chavez.
Like he's one to talk, going around throwing all his political opponents in jail and whatnot.
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:05:35am |
This Dumb Decade: The 87 Lamest Moments in Tech, 2000-2009
If ever a decade began dumb, it was this one.* When clocks struck midnight on January 1st and the dreaded Y2K bug turned out to be nothing but a mild irritant, it proved once again that the experts often don’t know what the heck they’re talking about.
Which was a relief–and a fitting way to kick off the technological era we’ve lived in ever since. Yes, it’s been an amazing time. But it’s also seen more than its share of misbegotten decisions, bizarre dramas, pointless hype, and lackluster products and technologies–often involving the same people and companies responsible for all the amazing stuff.
So–with a respectful tip of the Technologizer hat to Business 2.0 and Fortune’s 101 Dumbest Moments in Business and, of course, to Esquire’s Dubious Achievement Awards–let’s recap, shall we?
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:07:21am |
Heck..I'll just watch a Denzel Movie...
I like he is one of the greatest actors in America...He owns the camera..Top 5 of all time IMO..
The Great Debaters...3 stars (2007) 1930's Texas, Students at a predominately black school form a debate team.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:07:21am |
A Danish paper has called Obama greater than Jesus.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:08:49am |
re: #100 Rightwingconspirator
For SciFi fans try Sunshine from a couple years ago. Love that film and its soundtrack.
re: #97 ryannon
Well I'm not SAG, but a bunch of my apartment neighbors are SAG or Union labor. In my zip code I'm surrounded by the biz. Bootleg DVD's take food from my friends plates so to speak.
Zip code in the 900-somethings?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:08:50am |
re: #107 NJDhockeyfan
A Danish paper has called Obama greater than Jesus.
Does this mean I need to pray to my Obama Chia Pet?
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:09:19am |
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AK-47% Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:09:27am |
re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar
Does this mean I need to pray to my Obama Chia Pet?
I thought that was John Lennon's job...
/
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Bob Dillon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:10:00am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:10:01am |
re: #106 HoosierHoops
Man on Fire! OMG! He kills EVERYONE!
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:10:20am |
re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar
The other morning I posted "Holy shit" and a link to a story of a woman whose BAC was .40. Well, HOLY SHIT!!
[Link: www.rapidcityjournal.com...]
Best part: she was found parked on the Interstate. I love the idea that at .708 BAC she said, you know what, I should park and take a nap...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:11:52am |
re: #114 Cineaste
Best part: she was found parked on the Interstate. I love the idea that at .708 BAC she said, you know what, I should park and take a nap...
That will be her defense.
//
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:12:28am |
Can we please collectively tell Dick Cheney to STFD and STFU...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:12:38am |
re: #113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Man on Fire! OMG! He kills EVERYONE!
Part of "Out of Time", IIRC, was shot where I live.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:12:41am |
re: #114 Cineaste
Bartender cut her off with, "Lady!? There ain't no more liquor!"
-Homage to Richard Pryor
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:12:50am |
Father brought bomb materials to teen's house, court documents say
A Rockville teenager's father helped his son carry bomb-making materials into the bedroom of another Montgomery County student, who prosecutors say was planning to use the explosives to assassinate then-Sen. Barack Obama, court documents said.
Since his July 2008 arrest, Collin McKenzie-Gude, now 20, has been locked up in Montgomery County's jail. During that time he's helped orient new inmates, and he has completed a 12-step behavioral therapy program that emphasizes personal responsibility. He has also pleaded guilty to possessing bomb-making materials.
But according to a letter sent by McKenzie-Gude's mother, Debra, to U.S. District Judge Peter J. Messitte, those materials were brought into his bedroom by his friend's father, Serafim Yevsukov. The friend, Patrick Yevsukov, has also pleaded guilty in the case, but he was prosecuted at the county level after he helped federal authorities build their case against McKenzie-Gude.
It was Patrick Yevsukov who reportedly told authorities McKenzie-Gude was planning to bomb Obama as he ran for president.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:13:44am |
re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar
That will be her defense.
//
Actually - I don't know if there should be a sarc tag. If I'm the attorney first case I make is that the car was parked & off and they have no proof that I had a .708 while operating the vehicle. No law against parking while intoxicated I suppose...
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:14:03am |
re: #106 HoosierHoops
Heck..I'll just watch a Denzel Movie...
I like he is one of the greatest actors in America...He owns the camera..Top 5 of all time IMO..
The Great Debaters...3 stars (2007) 1930's Texas, Students at a predominately black school form a debate team.
"No Country For Old Men"; "In the Valley of Elah" and "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada" - all with Tommy Lee Jones.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:14:21am |
Recidivism: Former Gitmo Detainees Who Returned to Terrorism
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:14:28am |
re: #120 Cineaste
Actually - I don't know if there should be a sarc tag. If I'm the attorney first case I make is that the car was parked & off and they have no proof that I had a .708 while operating the vehicle. No law against parking while intoxicated I suppose...
Unless she had the key in the ignition.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:14:43am |
re: #121 ryannon
I nominate Downey Jr, these days, as one of the best living actors as well.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:15:28am |
re: #120 Cineaste
Oh yeah there is. IIRC people have been arrested for being drunk in their car.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:15:55am |
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:16:12am |
re: #124 Obdicut
I nominate Downey Jr, these days, as one of the best living actors as well.
Him and Jim Caviezel.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:16:32am |
re: #124 Obdicut
I nominate Downey Jr, these days, as one of the best living actors as well.
I watch him on eggshells because I pray that he doesn't relapse. LOVE his work.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:17:44am |
Obama's Latest Executive Order Grants Interpol Immunity From American Laws
“EO12425 was issued by then-President Ronald Reagan in 1983 which granted the international policing agency INTERPOL diplomatic status in the United States to help conduct global investigations more effectively. However, Reagan specifically made two exceptions to INTERPOL's diplomatic immunities. The first had to do with taxation; the second required INTERPOL to operate under the oversight of US law enforcement agencies, be held accountable according to US laws and produce records when demanded by courts.
Obama's "amendment" to Reagan's original Executive Order, however, completely undermines these exceptions and threatens to give international policing agencies immunity from US laws when operating within our own borders.
Last Thursday, December 17, 2009, The White House released an Executive Order “Amending Executive Order 12425.” It grants INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) a new level of full diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign embassies and select other “International Organizations” as set forth in the United States International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.Through EO 12425, President Reagan extended to INTERPOL recognition as an “International Organization.” In short, the privileges and immunities afforded foreign diplomats was extended to INTERPOL. Two sets of important privileges and immunities were withheld: Section 2? and the remaining sections cited (all of which deal with differing taxes).
And then comes December 17, 2009, and President Obama. The exemptions in EO 12425 were removed.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:17:54am |
re: #124 Obdicut
I nominate Downey Jr, these days, as one of the best living actors as well.
I agree..Also Sean Penn is great, Al Pacino...
But for stunning handsome male actors on Screen..Denzel or Brad Pitt or George Clooney.. They own the Camera
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:19:23am |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He seemed to be good on his last Letterman interview, I mean, he seemed more collected and calm than I've ever seen him.
I bear more than a passing resemblance to him, so when he's doing bad I get a lot of jokes, so my interest in him doing well is partly mercenary.
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subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:19:37am |
Morning all! Recently we saw a very quirky, odd little movie: "The Brothers Bloom". It was a really pleasant surprise.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:19:46am |
re: #108 ryannon
More like Universal/Studio City area.
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Bob Dillon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:20:36am |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What an interesting movie.
The Man from Earth
Different and enjoyable.
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:20:43am |
re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar
Does this mean I need to pray to my Obama Chia Pet?
I don't care if it rains or is foggy
As long as I have my plastic Barack-y.
(Ok, you found a rhyme that goes with Barack or Obama!)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:21:09am |
re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Frequency is totally under-rated, IMO.
Very fond of John C Reilly, Paul Giomatti, and Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
Billy Crudup was amazing in Big Fish and Almost Famous.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:21:56am |
This week I've seen:
It's Complicated - no, it's not, it's just not good...
Up In The Air - aka: job-loss porn in the guise of an American Airlines/Hilton ad
Avatar - Wow! But someone needs to get James an editor...
An Education - finally, a good film!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:21:59am |
re: #135 marjoriemoon
I don't care if it rains or is foggy
As long as I have my plastic Barack-y.(Ok, you found a rhyme that goes with Barack or Obama!)
Osama!! Learned that from Ted Kennedy.
///
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:22:05am |
North Korea may conduct nuclear test in 2010
SEOUL, Dec. 30 (UPI) -- North Korea is likely to conduct a nuclear test next year in an attempt to boost itself as an atomic power and shore up the regime's legitimacy at home as Pyongyang prepares for a dynastic power transfer, South Korea's state-run think tank warns.
North Korea is also expected to launch more long-range ballistic missiles and provoke military clashes along the heavily fortified border with South Korea, the Korea Institute for Defense Analyses said in its 2010 outlook.
North Korea conducted its second nuclear test last May following its first in 2006, which led to tougher trade and financial sanctions by the international community. Seoul's Defense Ministry estimated the underground nuclear test could have resulted in a force of 4.5 kilotons, much larger than North Korea's 0.8 kiloton test in 2006.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:22:11am |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Frequency is totally under-rated, IMO.
Very fond of John C Reilly, Paul Giomatti, and Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
Billy Crudup was amazing in Big Fish and Almost Famous.
The Cinderella Man!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:22:58am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:23:03am |
re: #129 NJDhockeyfan
Everyone ready for that “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT”?
Ugh, I hate to see conservatives falling for this Alex Jones crap.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:23:23am |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Frequency is totally under-rated, IMO.
Very fond of John C Reilly, Paul Giomatti, and Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
Billy Crudup was amazing in Big Fish and Almost Famous.
My writing teacher sued because he said Frequency was stolen from him. They settled.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:23:40am |
re: #140 HoosierHoops
The Cinderella Man!
(Paul Giomatti) is Bart Giomatti's (former commish of Baseball, Yale President) son!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:24:25am |
re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar
How cool is that. It was a pretty unusual plot.
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Pacificlady Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:25:00am |
How about the airlines have full body scan screenings for some flights, and not for other flights? If you feel that your privacy is being invaded by a full body screening, take the other flight. Personally, I am not worried about privacy as much as I am being scattered before landing. I wonder if they can figure out a way to combine the FBS with a colonoscopy- save me some time.
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subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:25:16am |
re: #135 marjoriemoon
I don't care if it rains or is foggy
As long as I have my plastic Barack-y.(Ok, you found a rhyme that goes with Barack or Obama!)
When trying to rhyme with Barack,
I find myself taken aback,
The same with Obama,
I'll say without drama,
But I may just be getting off track.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:25:24am |
re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How cool is that. It was a pretty unusual plot.
I might be confused. Was that the one where someone talked to his dead dad or son through the radio?
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andres Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:26:05am |
The other day I posted an OT about the "Illegals in my Yard" "parody" done by Human Events. Jose Feliciano, who composed the song "Feliz Navidad", felt revolted at the "parody", and Human Events removed it, apologizing to Feliciano. More info...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:26:34am |
re: #130 HoosierHoops
I agree..Also Sean Penn is great, Al Pacino...
But for stunning handsome male actors on Screen..Denzel or Brad Pitt or George Clooney.. They own the Camera
Brad Pitt is genius. Twelve Monkeys, Burn After Reading, Fight Club and Inglorious Basterds.
All totally different characters, all entirely believable, even though he is "gay-making" gorgeous.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:26:47am |
re: #116 Cineaste
Can we please collectively tell Dick Cheney to STFD and STFU...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Now I like Cheney, but I think the real issue is (and as I far as I know no one knows the answer yet), was anything done differently by the Obama administration that created a gap that permitted this act to occur, or were things handled the same under the Bush administration as they are now. If nothing has changed under Obama, and the same policies and procedures were in place, then they need to be corrected and we move on. If there was a change under this administration that prevented the tagging of the terrorist, then the Obama administration needs to be held accountable.
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:27:02am |
re: #81 HoosierHoops
So these are the movies that I will stop and watch when/if they show up on TV.
LA Confidential
The Dead
In Bruges
Let the Right One In
All the Bourne movies
Shaun of the Dead
Sense and Sensibility
American Gangster
The Departed
Mystic River and Gone Baby, Gone
The Lion in Winter
Key Largo
The Third Man (even though the music drives me nuts)
The Rope
Rear Window
The folks at Pajiba have done some guides for the movies of the last 10 years:
[Link: www.pajiba.com...]
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:27:22am |
re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Brad Pitt is genius. Twelve Monkeys, Burn After Reading, Fight Club and Inglorious Basterds.
All totally different characters, all entirely believable, even though he is "gay-making" gorgeous.
I think his most interesting character was in Snatch!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:27:45am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:27:53am |
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:28:12am |
re: #147 subsailor68
When trying to rhyme with Barack,
I find myself taken aback,
The same with Obama,
I'll say without drama,
But I may just be getting off track.
hehe Well I was trying to do a play on the Plastic Jesus song so it would have to refer to weather which takes a small pool of words and makes it smaller.
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:28:18am |
re: #121 ryannon
"The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada" - all with Tommy Lee Jones.
THAT is a great movie.
I forgot to add Serenity to my list...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:28:47am |
re: #152 webevintage
I call those "Train Wreck Movies". I have to just stop and watch.
Shawshank Redemption, Green Mile, Kill Bill, Pulp Fiction, Some Like it Hot, Casablanca... there are others...
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:29:14am |
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:30:00am |
re: #152 webevintage
Of all the great Hitchcock movies, I like Rope the best. Maybe because I've probably seen it least, but I also love that the whole thing was shot in one room and was one of his creepiest flicks.
Hitchcock was the master of direction.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:31:14am |
I just bought and re-watched The Hangover. I love a good guffaw movie.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:31:20am |
re: #151 jayzee
Now I like Cheney, but I think the real issue is (and as I far as I know no one knows the answer yet), was anything done differently by the Obama administration that created a gap that permitted this act to occur, or were things handled the same under the Bush administration as they are now. If nothing has changed under Obama, and the same policies and procedures were in place, then they need to be corrected and we move on. If there was a change under this administration that prevented the tagging of the terrorist, then the Obama administration needs to be held accountable.
Fair enough. So far, noone has pointed to any differences. Except that Obama was out talking to the press FASTER than Bush after Richard Reid.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Makes Hoekstra, Cheney & King's complaints seem insane.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:31:27am |
re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Brad Pitt sold me in a River runs through it.. Then in Troy..Pure Genius...
Guys don't have to be gay when they see a really handsome walk in the room.. Trust me they all are thinking ' Damn that is a stud dude! Handsome!'
*note to self..Don't take a wild swing at Brad...He likes that stuff*
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:32:11am |
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:32:14am |
re: #124 Obdicut
I nominate Downey Jr, these days, as one of the best living actors as well.
Indeed.
Every time I see another movie I send a little prayer to his addiction Guardian Angel to keep him clean.
Restoration is a favorite of mine and I can't wait for Iron Man 2...
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subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:32:28am |
re: #158 marjoriemoon
hehe Well I was trying to do a play on the Plastic Jesus song so it would have to refer to weather which takes a small pool of words and makes it smaller.
Heh, good point! It does make it harder. Hmm...
I don't care if it rains or freezes,
I've got two Obama chias,
Sitting on the dashboard of my car.
(Lame, but what can ya do?)
;-)
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:33:20am |
re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I call those "Train Wreck Movies". I have to just stop and watch.
Shawshank Redemption, Green Mile, Kill Bill, Pulp Fiction, Some Like it Hot, Casablanca... there are others...
I could watch the African Queen over and over...Same with Forrest Gump.
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:33:27am |
re: #155 Cineaste
I think his most interesting character was in Snatch!
HA!
We've watched that with the subtitles on before just to try and catch what he is saying.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:33:59am |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Funny the Afghans drink more tea than Americans ever do.
More seriously this thing where who is who confusion is just killing out PR. Civilians or fighters? The population seems inspired to believe any crazy accusation against us.
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Locker Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:34:04am |
re: #169 HoosierHoops
I could watch the African Queen over and over...Same with Forrest Gump.
For me it's Gandhi. I've watched it 100 times easy and it never gets old for me.
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:34:17am |
re: #164 Cineaste
Fair enough. So far, noone has pointed to any differences. Except that Obama was out talking to the press FASTER than Bush after Richard Reid.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Makes Hoekstra, Cheney & King's complaints seem insane.
Wow what a catch!
But it was six days before President George W. Bush, then on vacation, made any public remarks about the so-called shoe bomber, Richard Reid, and there were virtually no complaints from the press or any opposition Democrats that his response was sluggish or inadequate.
What was that vacation thread all about the other day ? lol
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shiplord kirel Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:34:46am |
Apparently something is up with the biggest story to hit Lubbock in years, the suspension of head football coach Mike Leach. I can't find out what though because the yokel newspaper's site is offline, probably drowned in links from the national media.
Radio station KFYO is online and has a story from earlier this morning.
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:35:06am |
re: #168 subsailor68
Heh, good point! It does make it harder. Hmm...
I don't care if it rains or freezes,
I've got two Obama chias,
Sitting on the dashboard of my car.(Lame, but what can ya do?)
;-)
I like it!
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:35:08am |
I can watch the Thing over and over again. I love that movie.
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Ben Hur Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:36:06am |
re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can watch the Thing over and over again. I love that movie.
Watched it AGAIN last night.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:36:09am |
re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Willford Brimley's finest role.
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Ben Hur Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:36:29am |
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:36:31am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Work, ya bastids!
Speaking of bastids, they have a Lobo movie in the works.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:36:31am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:37:14am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Work, ya bastids!
Work? What is this "work" you speak of? All I do is sit at a desk all day and - oh, hi Boss, didn't see you there.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:37:22am |
re: #173 Locker
For me it's Gandhi. I've watched it 100 times easy and it never gets old for me.
That film is an absolute biopic masterpiece.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:37:56am |
For anyone looking to adventure right off the scale - or however you measure and rate films - take a look at Larry Clark's work ("Kids"; "Ken Park", etc.) You will be disturbed. Or shocked. Or enraged. Or whatever. They won't leave you indifferent.
Over on the opposite extreme, the little-known but genial Guy Maddin from Winnipeg ("The Saddest Music in the World"; "Archangel"; "Brand Upon the Brain"; "My Winnipeg"; etc.)
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:37:58am |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:38:09am |
re: #183 HoosierHoops
Double that. Vacation here at RWC HQ. Back to work the 5th. Blissfully unaware what the gold market is doing.
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:38:19am |
re: #180 Killgore Trout
Willford Brimley's finest role.
"You guys think I'M crazy! Well, that's fine! Most of you don't know what's going on around here, but I'm damn well sure SOME of you do!"
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:39:26am |
re: #186 The Sanity Inspector
That film is an absolute biopic masterpiece.
My family and I were extras in Ghandi. We were living in Delhi when they were filming and needed European looking extras. My dad shows up a few times and you can catch my whole family if you freezeframe in the right spot.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:40:13am |
re: #165 HoosierHoops
Brad Pitt sold me in a River runs through it.. Then in Troy..Pure Genius...
Guys don't have to be gay when they see a really handsome walk in the room.. Trust me they all are thinking ' Damn that is a stud dude! Handsome!'
*note to self..Don't take a wild swing at Brad...He likes that stuff*
Another actor who gets the money but not the credit he deserves is Tom Cruise. It was a very smart move to cast him instead of Rutger Hauer as Lestat in Interview With The Vampire, no matter how pissed off it made Anne Rice. And he showed some fine comedy chops in Jerry Maguire, too.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:41:01am |
re: #116 Cineaste
Can we please collectively tell Dick Cheney to STFD and STFU...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Now I like Cheney, but I think the real issue is (and as I far as I know no one knows the answer yet), was anything done differently by the Obama administration that created a gap that permitted this act to occur, or were things handled the same under the Bush administration as they are now. If nothing has changed under Obama, and the same policies and procedures were in place, then they need to be corrected and we move on. If there was a change under this administration that prevented the tagging of the terrorist, then the Obama administration needs to be held accountable. re: #164 Cineaste
Fair enough. So far, noone has pointed to any differences. Except that Obama was out talking to the press FASTER than Bush after Richard Reid.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Makes Hoekstra, Cheney & King's complaints seem insane.
You're right about no one pointing out difference. I'm not saying there are. I am saying that is the only thing that I would find fault with. Also, I didn't say anything about his vacation. Neither did Cheney. You are right on the other two, but politicians do what politicians do unfortunately. The rhetoric from the left was better? You don't remember Hillary screaming "what did they know, when did they know it" right after 9/11. Despicable? Yes, Surprising? No. Only on one side of the aisle? No.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:41:06am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Work, ya bastids!
I am working! I'm keeping a keen lookout for north Georgia tsunamis!
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:41:07am |
What I'm doing this am
[Link: www.academicearth.org...]
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:41:08am |
re: #169 HoosierHoops
I could watch the African Queen over and over...Same with Forrest Gump.
Christmas movies, in keeping with the season.
My favorite Scrooges are Alastair Sim and Albert Finney. Both are good adaptions of Dicken's original tale. And a plus if you dig nostalgia.
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Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:41:27am |
re: #192 The Sanity Inspector
Another actor who gets the money but not the credit he deserves is Tom Cruise. It was a very smart move to cast him instead of Rutger Hauer as Lestat in Interview With The Vampire, no matter how pissed off it made Anne Rice. And he showed some fine comedy chops in Jerry Maguire, too.
He has a movie coming put next summer that looks kind of cool.
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:41:32am |
re: #116 Cineaste
Can we please collectively tell Dick Cheney to STFD and STFU...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Yes, yes we can.
I'd suggest that any number of folks from the previous administration should STFU unless they plan on speaking the truth and not all the revisionist BS they have been littering the airwaves with since January.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:41:46am |
Times Square is shut down while the NYPD is investigating a van that has been left unattended.
The bomb squad is using a robot-based camera to approach the vehicle. Police say the area around 42nd Street between Seventh Avenue and Broadway has been blocked off as a precaution.The van is a 1992 Dodge, and has tinted windows. A placard from a nonexistent law enforcement agency is on the dashboard. It has no license plates.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:42:08am |
re: #189 Rightwingconspirator
Double that. Vacation here at RWC HQ. Back to work the 5th. Blissfully unaware what the gold market is doing.
F'ing daytime TV..It's buy Gold...Snuggies..talk shows with really dumb people..
If I see HR Holderman from the Nixon White house try to tell me to buy gold one more time...Well I'll.. I'll...
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:42:28am |
BREAKING: Nasdaq is being cleared out due to a suspicious car in Times Square. No links yet that I see.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:43:01am |
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:43:15am |
re: #201 HoosierHoops
F'ing daytime TV..It's buy Gold...Snuggies..talk shows with really dumb people..
If I see HR Holderman from the Nixon White house try to tell me to buy gold one more time...Well I'll.. I'll...
Buy a little more? Price per ounce has come way down in the last two weeks.
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:44:27am |
Check this out:
Dutch to use full body scans for U.S. flights
Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport will begin using body scanners on all passengers taking flights to the United States following the attempted terrorist attack on a U.S.-bound flight on Christmas Day, the Dutch interior minister said Wednesday.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Yea for the Dutch!
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:44:28am |
re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
GMTA
It's been there for 2 days!!!!!!! With a fake police parking permit on the dash.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:44:40am |
re: #192 The Sanity Inspector
Another actor who gets the money but not the credit he deserves is Tom Cruise. It was a very smart move to cast him instead of Rutger Hauer as Lestat in Interview With The Vampire, no matter how pissed off it made Anne Rice. And he showed some fine comedy chops in Jerry Maguire, too.
Did you see him in Topic Thunder?
Screaming into the cell phone, We don't F*cking negotiate with Terrorist!
I laughed my butt off
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subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:45:18am |
re: #200 lawhawk
Hi lawhawk! Hmm......
The van is a 1992 Dodge, and has tinted windows. A placard from a nonexistent law enforcement agency is on the dashboard. It has no license plates.
Oh yeah, I'd say giving the bomb squad a call was probably a very, very good idea. Regardless of how it turns out.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:45:37am |
re: #204 ryannon
Buy a little more? Price per ounce has come way down in the last two weeks.
not down enough. I think it will dip below 1K again. Then get pushed back up. And buying the metal itself is crazy, the dealers will rip you off coming and going.
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simoom Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:46:20am |
[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]
Paul Cicero, an attorney, was in his office at 7 Times Square at about 11 a.m. when the police first asked everyone to move to the west side because of the suspicious vehicle.He said the police alerted the building occupants with an announcement, adding that “they’ve been giving us periodic updates saying that the police are investigating a suspicious vehicle.”
“They moved us to the west side, and won’t let us out right now,” Mr. Cicero said. “They asked everybody to move from their office, anything other than the west side, to move to the west side.”
He added, “I was very concerned at first. I was one of the people who tried to get out. But I guess it is what it is right now. I felt a lot better once I had some information about what was going on, even though I’d still like to get the hell out of here.”
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:46:40am |
re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"You guys think I'M crazy! Well, that's fine! Most of you don't know what's going on around here, but I'm damn well sure SOME of you do!"
My fave Wilford Brimsley line:
I'll tell you what we're gonna do. We're gonna sit here and talk about it. If you get tired of talking here, Mr Elving Patrick there -- will hand you a subpoena and we'll go talk in front of the grand jury. We'll talk all day if you want to. But come sundown, there's gonna be two things true that ain't true now. One is that the United States Department of Justice is gonna know -- what in the good Christ, excuse me, Angie, is going on around here. And the other's...I'm gonna have somebody's ass in my briefcase.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:47:12am |
re: #208 subsailor68
That does look worrisome.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:47:45am |
re: #191 Killgore Trout
My family and I were extras in Ghandi. We were living in Delhi when they were filming and needed European looking extras. My dad shows up a few times and you can catch my whole family if you freezeframe in the right spot.
Coolness! Care to direct us to the right spots?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:48:15am |
re: #193 MikeySDCA
Fun news from Bambiland. Yesterday I posted Bambi en espanol on the front-page links,to the universal indifference of the lizards. Today, the text is gone from the WH site, as are all the other Spanish translations in the Briefing Room.
Why did the WH remove it?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:48:54am |
re: #200 lawhawk
Times Square is shut down while the NYPD is investigating a van that has been left unattended.
Get used to more and more when KSM comes to town.
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shiplord kirel Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:49:17am |
Here we go. The Lubbock Avalanche Urinal can't keep their amateurishly cluttered bandwidth hog of a website going during a big story, but their separate TTU sports site is more or less running and has the story:
Morning hearing could determine who coaches Alamo Bowl
The hearing should be over by now but there is a virtual internet blackout with the yokel media. The main TV station sites are offline too. With a few exceptions, commercial IT in Lubbock is not even up to Paraguayan standards, let alone those of the advanced countries. (If Texas is a whole 'nother country, as the blurb says, Lubbock is a whole 'nother third world country.)
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:50:01am |
re: #215 MandyManners
Get used to more and more when KSM comes to town.
New Years isn't helping either. I can't believe it sat for 2 days there. I hope it's nothing.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:50:37am |
re: #209 jayzee
not down enough. I think it will dip below 1K again. Then get pushed back up. And buying the metal itself is crazy, the dealers will rip you off coming and going.
I think you're right about the movements.
For the rest,
Bullionvault for physical and the Kitco Pool Account for short-term speculation. Minimal fees in both cases.
But I expect you know about that.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:51:53am |
re: #217 jayzee
New Years isn't helping either. I can't believe it sat for 2 days there. I hope it's nothing.
People need to pay closer attention.
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baier Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:52:33am |
Breaking:
Bomb squad probes van in Times Square
NEW YORK - The NYPD bomb squad is investigating a van abandoned in Times Square that officials say has apparently not been moved for two days.As a precaution, everyone inside the NASDAQ trading building on 7th Avenue and 42nd Street has been evacuated.
The bomb squad is using a robot-based camera to approach the vehicle. Police say the area around 42nd Street between Seventh Avenue and Broadway has been blocked off as a precaution.
The van is a 1992 Dodge, and has tinted windows. A placard from a nonexistent law enforcement agency is on the dashboard. It has no license plates.
Police responded around 8:30 a.m. after a 911 call about a suspicious van. Security is tight as the New Year approaches.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:54:27am |
re: #215 MandyManners
Get used to more and more when KSM comes to town.
When KSM comes to Town..
Apologizes to Jeff Dunham ' when Santa Comes to town'
The days are growing shorter
And the nights are growing colder
We know KSM's on his way
We can't wait another day
I want a brand new skateboard and a scooter too
Because to operate them, you only need one shoe
(Achmed)
I would like some dynamite and some nitro too
Don't care what KSM brings me
As long as it has a fuse
(Bubba J)
When I fight with the Mrs.
There's no place to hide
So my Christmas wishes a brand new double wide
(All)
Sleigh bells, sleigh bells such a joyest sound
Everyone has a special wish when KSM comes to town
(Walter)
I wish weren't so sunny
I prefer December gloom
(Peanut)
But there's plenty of snow for everyone
In Guitar Guys dressing room
(Achmed)
I want a voice box and some lungs
So I can scream and shout
(Peanut)
And some skin to wrap him in
So they don't fall out
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:54:29am |
re: #218 ryannon
I think you're right about the movements.
For the rest,
Bullionvault for physical and the Kitco Pool Account for short-term speculation. Minimal fees in both cases.
But I expect you know about that.
The pool account I've played with, but the ETNs have been good too. My fear with the ETNs is that they will do to it what they did with DXO since the gov has limited the leverage in commodity trading.
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Bob Dillon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:54:43am |
re: #205 marjoriemoon
Check this out:
Dutch to use full body scans for U.S. flights
Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport will begin using body scanners on all passengers taking flights to the United States following the attempted terrorist attack on a U.S.-bound flight on Christmas Day, the Dutch interior minister said Wednesday.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Yea for the Dutch!
Just one problem ...
Ooops ...
“Al-Qaeda practises beating body scanners”
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:55:00am |
re: #200 lawhawk
Times Square is shut down while the NYPD is investigating a van that has been left unattended.
It's opened up, nothing important in it.
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DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:55:56am |
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baier Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:56:03am |
re: #224 avanti
It's opened up, nothing important in it.
yeah, some co-workers and I were just talking about how it's probably used as a stock room for a street vendor trying to avoid being ticketed.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:57:13am |
re: #223 Bobibutu
Just one problem ...
Ooops ...
“Al-Qaeda practises beating body scanners”
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
The problem with scanners, sniffers, etc is that they are tools, not solutions in and of themselves. They should be used in conjunction with intelligence, observations, things like that. The west's response has been, walk through here, green light, get on plane. It is destined to fail unfortunately.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 9:57:56am |
Meanwhile, over in Afghanistan, a report is coming in that a bombing at a US base has killed 8. Via NYDN
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:00:49am |
re: #202 NJDhockeyfan
BREAKING: Nasdaq is being cleared out due to a suspicious car in Times Square. No links yet that I see.
Sounds like the van was left to "hold" a place for someone planning to sell stuff to all the folks who are going to be in the area for New Yeas Eve.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:01:01am |
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:04:33am |
re: #232 MandyManners
[Video]
I saw him at a sleezy little night club in Honolulu around 1990.. Funny as hell..
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Bob Dillon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:04:58am |
re: #228 jayzee
The problem with scanners, sniffers, etc is that they are tools, not solutions in and of themselves. They should be used in conjunction with intelligence, observations, things like that. The west's response has been, walk through here, green light, get on plane. It is destined to fail unfortunately.
In the words of Col. John Boyd ... "Machines don't fight wars, terrain doesn't fight wars, humans fight wars. You must get into the minds of humans. That’s where the battles are won."
[Link: www.scienceofstrategy.org...]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:07:10am |
Box of grenades shows up at SAPD substation
SAN ANTONIO – A man’s stated wish to protect others from three unexploded grenades caused tense moments at SAPD’s Northwest Police Substation.
Around 7 a.m. Wednesday, a man came into the Prue Road substation saying he had a box of grenades in his vehicle he wished to get rid of. He said he had them for about ten years after getting them from his grandparents. Now he was concerned children could get access to them.
Not taking any chances, officers called ordinance disposal experts and cordoned off the area.
The two other grenades in the box were found to be duds used for training, which had been rendered inert by drilling holes in them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:07:39am |
Hey Lizards!
I am reeling from that last post by Charles. *shiver*
How are you-all?
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:07:50am |
re: #231 webevintage
Not a chance of that being possible. The NYPD clears the streets of all vehicles in the vicinity of Times Square since that's where pedestrians congregate and they put up security barriers all throughout the area, and the side streets are cleared of vehicles as well except for emergency personnel and the various media outlets. In past years, the utilities would also come through and seal all the manhole covers and remove post boxes, to minimize areas that terrorists could access. It's all part of a massive effort to keep the Times Square crowds safe.
That this particular vehicle had no license plates at all, and a bogus placard, which the Times relates:
The van had a “bogus” placard in its windshield for a nonexistent New York/New Jersey police entity, said Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman. The placard said something like, “detectives, crime scene, New York, New Jersey area,” said Mr. Browne, who said he would seek to explain what the placard said more precisely.
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avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:08:17am |
No wonder Fox features Rasmussen. Compare his poling with the rest. It shows Obama's approval 7 points lower than his disapproval, while the average of polls show him over a plus 5, that's one big ass gap. That's how you get the press on the right.
Nate Silver pokes fun at Rasmussen today too.
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:08:33am |
re: #237 ggt
Hey Lizards!
I am reeling from that last post by Charles. *shiver*
How are you-all?
You don't like fences?
/
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:08:54am |
re: #229 lawhawk
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:10:11am |
Oh look:
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
John's right, who could have predicted that response from Newt?
/
This is the kind of BS that comes from the other side that just drives me crazy.
(I'm sure the left does the same BS at times too)
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:11:58am |
Gothamist reports that the vehicle was opened up with no explosives within.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:12:02am |
re: #240 wrenchwench
You don't like fences?
/
Did I get it wrong --well, you-all know which post I mean.
Regarding fences: Good Fences make Good Neighbors.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:13:31am |
Samantha Broadhead and Jack Ault have been charged with attempted murder and arson after the fire in Clearwater, about 20 miles west of Tampa on Florida's Gulf Coast.
Clearwater Police Department detectives say the young couple poured gasoline on Nancy Broadhead's bedroom floor and bed, and then set the room aflame. Police say the pair escaped in the mother's 2007 Ford Focus.
SNIP
What the hell is a girl that age doing with a 15-year-old boy?
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:15:38am |
re: #245 ggt
Did I get it wrong --well, you-all know which post I mean.
Regarding fences: Good Fences make Good Neighbors.
Charles last posted from his iPod in line at LAX..All we can hope for is for a B Lister Actress to freak out in line and Charles catches it on his Cell phone...
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:16:00am |
Russia may send spacecraft to knock away asteroid
MOSCOW (AP) - Russia is considering sending a spacecraft to a large asteroid to knock it off its path and prevent a possible collision with Earth, the head of the country's space agency said Wednesday.
Anatoly Perminov said the space agency will hold a meeting soon to assess a mission to Apophis, telling Golos Rossii radio that it would invite NASA, the European Space Agency, the Chinese space agency and others to join the project once it is finalized.
When the 270-meter (885-foot) asteroid was first discovered in 2004, astronomers estimated the chances of it smashing into Earth in its first flyby in 2029 were as high as 1-in-37, but have since lowered their estimate.
Further studies ruled out the possibility of an impact in 2029, when the asteroid is expected to come no closer than 18,300 miles (29,450 kilometers) above Earth's surface, but they indicated a small possibility of a hit on subsequent encounters.
In October, NASA lowered the odds that Apophis could hit Earth in 2036 from a 1-in-45,000 as earlier thought to a 1-in-250,000 chance after researchers recalculated the asteroid's path. It said another close encounter in 2068 will involve a 1-in-330,000 chance of impact.
Without mentioning NASA findings, Perminov said that he heard from a scientist that Apophis is getting closer and may hit the planet. "I don't remember exactly, but it seems to me it could hit the Earth by 2032," Perminov said.
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stevemcg Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:16:01am |
re: #20 prairiefire
I watched 7 minutes of Fox news report last night and had trouble sleeping.
I got a kick out of the Philadelphia Fox affiliate yesterday morning. Each half hour they have a FOX News reporter on to goover national/international headlines. The local host interrupted her when she mentioned Napolitano's gaffe. "Well, to be fair, those words were taken out of context..." It took her completely by surprise, she just mumbled some acknowledgement and broke off her segment.
| 250 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:17:27am |
re: #246 MandyManners
"Police spokeswoman Elizabeth Watts said a motive was "probably just typical teenage angst."
The new definition of "typical" = felony
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baier Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:17:49am |
re: #239 avanti
No wonder Fox features Rasmussen. Compare his poling with the rest. It shows Obama's approval 7 points lower than his disapproval, while the average of polls show him over a plus 5, that's one big ass gap. That's how you get the press on the right.
Nate Silver pokes fun at Rasmussen today too.
Rassmussen uses sound methodology. It used the same methodology for past presidents as well.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:17:58am |
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Gearhead Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:18:44am |
re: #248 NJDhockeyfan
"I don't remember exactly, but it seems to me it could hit the Earth by 2032," Perminov said
Are they trying to decrease or increase the odds?
| 254 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:18:50am |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:18:52am |
re: #250 ggt
"Police spokeswoman Elizabeth Watts said a motive was "probably just typical teenage angst."
The new definition of "typical" = felony
I had tons of angst when I was a teen but I never considered torching my house.
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Locker Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:19:20am |
re: #187 ryannon
For anyone looking to adventure right off the scale - or however you measure and rate films - take a look at Larry Clark's work ("Kids"; "Ken Park", etc.) You will be disturbed. Or shocked. Or enraged. Or whatever. They won't leave you indifferent.
Over on the opposite extreme, the little-known but genial Guy Maddin from Winnipeg ("The Saddest Music in the World"; "Archangel"; "Brand Upon the Brain"; "My Winnipeg"; etc.)
Kids was great although harsh. Is that Saddest Music in the World movie the one about the beer jingle? I heard that was really good.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:19:39am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:20:28am |
re: #257 MandyManners
Will Liv cry?
If they succeed we will all probably cry. I would be a great achievement.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:21:15am |
re: #255 MandyManners
I had tons of angst when I was a teen but I never considered torching my house.
I'm thinking convent school for the girl and military school for the boy.
Would be better for both of them then ending up in the system.
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subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:21:31am |
re: #250 ggt
"Police spokeswoman Elizabeth Watts said a motive was "probably just typical teenage angst."
The new definition of "typical" = felony
Oh good grief! That's in the running for dumbest comment of the year.
Police spokeswoman Elizabeth Watts "also described 'Natural Born Killers' as a light-hearted romantic romp by two pesky young lovebirds".
(Well, no she didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me.)
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:22:25am |
re: #259 ggt
I'm thinking convent school for the girl and military school for the boy.
Would be better for both of them then ending up in the system.
How about just keeping them apart? He is way too old for her.
| 262 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:22:47am |
re: #261 MandyManners
How about just keeping them apart? He is way too old for her.
She'll just find some other overaged loser.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:23:07am |
re: #242 webevintage
Oh look:
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]John's right, who could have predicted that response from Newt?
/This is the kind of BS that comes from the other side that just drives me crazy.
(I'm sure the left does the same BS at times too)
Are you criticizing Newt in your post? He seems to be very critical of the GOP in his? If I read it right, he seemed pretty much on target.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:23:35am |
re: #248 NJDhockeyfan
And the real intent could be to "grab" the asteroid and put it in parking orbit...
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:24:10am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:24:22am |
re: #264 Thanos
And the real intent could be to "grab" the asteroid and put it in parking orbit...
We could mine it for dilitium crystals.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:24:56am |
re: #263 jayzee
Are you criticizing Newt in your post? He seems to be very critical of the GOP in his? If I read it right, he seemed pretty much on target.
I read it wrong, sorry the formatting on the page threw me. I thought the commentary was attributed to Newt.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:24:58am |
re: #262 ggt
She'll just find some other overaged loser.
Not if her mom jerks a knot in her tail! Isn't a teen boy too old legally to hang out with a pre-teen girl?
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:25:21am |
re: #256 Locker
Kids was great although harsh. Is that Saddest Music in the World movie the one about the beer jingle? I heard that was really good.
That's the one, and it is really good: Maddin has a wonderful sense of very subtle humor and a masterful knowledge of cinema history and styles. The story becomes less important than the way he tells it, and you can never guess what the hell is going to happen next.
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stevemcg Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:26:23am |
re: #263 jayzee
"Are you criticizing Newt in your post? He seems to be very critical of the GOP in his? If I read it right, he seemed pretty much on target."
I'll never believe Newt's sincerity. He's just looking for an angle. It gives him a veneer of credibility but without any actual responsibility.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:26:46am |
re: #268 MandyManners
Not if her mom jerks a knot in her tail! Isn't a teen boy too old legally to hang out with a pre-teen girl?
Mom obviously needs a lot of help with her. In my world, the girl has lost all chances of living at home again. I wouldn't want the kid back if she were mine. Trying to kill me is a boundry I won't change.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:27:11am |
Here we go again...
Secret mobile phone code cracked
By Maija Palmer, technology correspondent
Published: December 29 2009 15:11 %P% Last updated: December 29 2009 16:17
Computer hackers this week said they had cracked and published the secret code that protects 80 per cent of the world’s mobile phones. The move will leave more than 3bn people vulnerable to having their calls intercepted, and could force mobile phone operators into a costly upgrade of their networks.
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:27:27am |
re: #267 jayzee
I read it wrong, sorry the formatting on the page threw me. I thought the commentary was attributed to Newt.
Hey , no problem.
Look guys, new avatar...the scary kitteh Nico who runs our household.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:28:03am |
re: #273 webevintage
Hey , no problem.
Look guys, new avatar...the scary kitteh Nico who runs our household.
oooh, you better be careful!
| 275 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:28:15am |
re: #272 Rightwingconspirator
Question for our experts around here. Is the cell phone code crack real?
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:29:17am |
re: #273 webevintage
Hey , no problem.
Look guys, new avatar...the scary kitteh Nico who runs our household.
Uh, she (he, it?) can haz cheezeburger!
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:29:36am |
re: #271 ggt
Mom obviously needs a lot of help with her. In my world, the girl has lost all chances of living at home again. I wouldn't want the kid back if she were mine. Trying to kill me is a boundry I won't change.
It could be that the boy was the leading force.
At a minimum, he'd have an RO slapped on his ass and the daughter would be in in-patient therapy for a while.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:29:38am |
re: #248 NJDhockeyfan
If it becomes exactly 1-in-1,000,000 then we're in trouble...
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:29:48am |
re: #275 Rightwingconspirator
Question for our experts around here. Is the cell phone code crack real?
Yes. And I'm not even an expert.
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sngnsgt Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:29:53am |
Computer geek Lizards:
Question, I've been using AVG-Free for years and now it says, "Your trial version of AVG Anti-Virus is about to run out." I've been using AVG Free for years on other machines but have never used it long enough to the point where it no longer says, "Free" other than on the machine I'm using now. What's another "free" anti-virus program to replace "AVG-free" with?
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:30:25am |
re: #270 stevemcg
"Are you criticizing Newt in your post? He seems to be very critical of the GOP in his? If I read it right, he seemed pretty much on target."
I'll never believe Newt's sincerity. He's just looking for an angle. It gives him a veneer of credibility but without any actual responsibility.
See my post above, I did read it wrong. Policy and political ideology is really not suited for tweeting however. I think tweeting politics is a new low for us. As if our attention spans weren't short enough.
How about this, from a political perspective, while I am conservative (what I feel is conservative anyway), the GOP is making me sick, and the Dems are making me sick. They suck with very few exceptions. I am so tired of their hypocrisy. All of them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:30:49am |
re: #278 MandyManners
It could be that the boy was the leading force.
At a minimum, he'd have an RO slapped on his ass and the daughter would be in in-patient therapy for a while.
I don't know Mandy, if the girl is that malleable--to allow someone to attempt to kill her mother --I'd have a very hard time sleeping with her in my house. I don't think a home situation is what the girl needs.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:31:37am |
re: #275 Rightwingconspirator
Question for our experts around here. Is the cell phone code crack real?
[Link: arstechnica.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:31:45am |
re: #282 jayzee
How about this, from a political perspective, while I am conservative (what I feel is conservative anyway), the GOP is making me sick, and the Dems are making me sick. They suck with very few exceptions. I am so tired of their hypocrisy. All of them.
Welcome to the club.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:31:45am |
re: #272 Rightwingconspirator
Here we go again...
Secret mobile phone code cracked
By Maija Palmer, technology correspondent
Published: December 29 2009 15:11 %P% Last updated: December 29 2009 16:17
Computer hackers this week said they had cracked and published the secret code that protects 80 per cent of the world’s mobile phones. The move will leave more than 3bn people vulnerable to having their calls intercepted, and could force mobile phone operators into a costly upgrade of their networks.
Feh bah... old news, everyone knows that GSM can be cracked. My ears will perk up if I hear of someone cracking Hedy's CDMA however.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:31:50am |
re: #281 sngnsgt
Computer geek Lizards:
Question, I've been using AVG-Free for years and now it says, "Your trial version of AVG Anti-Virus is about to run out." I've been using AVG Free for years on other machines but have never used it long enough to the point where it no longer says, "Free" other than on the machine I'm using now. What's another "free" anti-virus program to replace "AVG-free" with?
I can remember receiving a similar message, but all they wanted was for me to renew the registration for the free version. Are you sure that's not a possibility?
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:31:56am |
re: #281 sngnsgt
Avast, and the license for that is infinitely renewable.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:32:20am |
re: #273 webevintage
What day is "Everyone get a cat avatar" day again?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:32:45am |
re: #283 ggt
I don't know Mandy, if the girl is that malleable--to allow someone to attempt to kill her mother --I'd have a very hard time sleeping with her in my house. I don't think a home situation is what the girl needs.
Shove her into the system without a fight?
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:33:17am |
re: #288 ryannon
I can remember receiving a similar message, but all they wanted was for me to renew the registration for the free version. Are you sure that's not a possibility?
Sorry, I did confuse that with Avast.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:33:36am |
re: #291 MandyManners
Shove her into the system without a fight?
If ANYONE, my kid or not, tried to kill me --they are out of my life.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:33:54am |
re: #284 MandyManners
Thanks Mandy. It looks pretty difficult to do. Crime rings and cops maybe.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:34:58am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:35:12am |
If the cell phone thingy is true--it only proves that the tyrants in Iran and other places can't keep total control for long.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:35:26am |
re: #293 ggt
If ANYONE, my kid or not, tried to kill me --they are out of my life.
What if the court refused to let you ditch her?
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Locker Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:35:34am |
re: #281 sngnsgt
Computer geek Lizards:
Question, I've been using AVG-Free for years and now it says, "Your trial version of AVG Anti-Virus is about to run out." I've been using AVG Free for years on other machines but have never used it long enough to the point where it no longer says, "Free" other than on the machine I'm using now. What's another "free" anti-virus program to replace "AVG-free" with?
It's going to run out because there is a deadline to upgrade to the new free version. It was Jan 1st 2010. Basically you just need to get the latest free version of AVG.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:35:45am |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:36:01am |
re: #295 MandyManners
Nominated for clearest example ever of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:36:19am |
re: #282 jayzee
See my post above, I did read it wrong. Policy and political ideology is really not suited for tweeting however. I think tweeting politics is a new low for us. As if our attention spans weren't short enough.
How about this, from a political perspective, while I am conservative (what I feel is conservative anyway), the GOP is making me sick, and the Dems are making me sick. They suck with very few exceptions. I am so tired of their hypocrisy. All of them.
If God had intended for us to tweet politics, He wouldn't have invented bumper stickers.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:36:23am |
re: #295 MandyManners
At 11?
Like I said, It's a boundry I can't change. It goes right to my core. At 11, if she would do or allow to happen my murder --my home obviously hasn't worked for her.
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stevemcg Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:36:31am |
re: #271 ggt
I know an 11 year old girl who got expelled from our grade school. I think a case like this has more to do with the parents than you think. In our case the 11 year old has been harassing former classmate after former classmate. She leave one alone and move on the the next. It seems obvious (after confronting the kid's mother) that the kid is looking for somebody to knock some sense into her mother's head. The mother just gets defensive and makes threats that she's going to get her staff at the DA's office to research your tax records and crap like that. I called her bluff and made a police complaint. I don't know if it's going to go anywhere. It seems all I can do is get a some sort of Do Not Contact order or something like that. The kid laid off of my daughter since, but has since moved on to somebody else. The school principal had previously said that she feels bad for the kid, that she's crying out for help. I didn't buy it at the time, I figured she was just a delinquent, but after dealing with the mother, I see what she means.
| 304 |
Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:36:37am |
Wow: Moonbat Sweat Lodge Guru to victims as they were dieing:
"It's a good day to die"
[Link: gawker.com...]
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:37:01am |
re: #301 The Sanity Inspector
If God had intended for us to tweet politics, He wouldn't have invented bumper stickers.
The Iranian Rising excepted, of course.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:37:24am |
re: #302 ggt
Like I said, It's a boundry I can't change. It goes right to my core. At 11, if she would do or allow to happen my murder --my home obviously hasn't worked for her.
Why totally discount the influence a much older boy has had over her? They're probably having sex and that can be a very strong power.
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Locker Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:38:04am |
re: #299 Obdicut
And get yourself a free personal firewall, too.
Easy to use.
Agreed. Personally I recommend the free version of Zone Alarm but I haven't tried the one you linked yet. Just in case here is the link to the ZA free version:
[Link: www.zonealarm.com...]
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subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:38:05am |
re: #299 Obdicut
And get yourself a free personal firewall, too.
Easy to use.
The irony of this suggestion while Mandy and ggt are discussing the case in Florida is just too, too wonderful.
(But then, I've always had a rather dark sense of humor.)
;-)
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sngnsgt Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:38:14am |
re: #288 ryannon
That's possible, I had the message pop-up last night and just shut down and went to bed.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:38:19am |
re: #297 MandyManners
What if the court refused to let you ditch her?
The kid was involved in a act of attempted murder. If she is not welcome back, the system has to take her.
| 311 |
What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:38:19am |
Should 11 yr olds be DATING at all? Much less a 15 yr old??
And why is a 15 yr old with an 11 yr old?
Maybe the mother has a wild child she can't control. Like trying to keep these two apart? The girl stole her cigs? Much more to it than that.
The skimpy article says they both tried to set her on fire.
Weird story. I think they all need psychiatric help.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:38:23am |
re: #281 sngnsgt
Computer geek Lizards:
Question, I've been using AVG-Free for years and now it says, "Your trial version of AVG Anti-Virus is about to run out." I've been using AVG Free for years on other machines but have never used it long enough to the point where it no longer says, "Free" other than on the machine I'm using now. What's another "free" anti-virus program to replace "AVG-free" with?
Who is your ISP? If it's RR, then I believe they provide a free version of one of the major retail packages. You might check there first.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:39:05am |
re: #304 Thanos
Wow: Moonbat Sweat Lodge Guru to victims as they were dieing:
"It's a good day to die"
[Link: gawker.com...]
From anti-vaxxers to pro-deathers, Oprah needs to reevaluate herself.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:39:47am |
re: #303 stevemcg
I know an 11 year old girl who got expelled from our grade school. I think a case like this has more to do with the parents than you think. In our case the 11 year old has been harassing former classmate after former classmate. She leave one alone and move on the the next. It seems obvious (after confronting the kid's mother) that the kid is looking for somebody to knock some sense into her mother's head. The mother just gets defensive and makes threats that she's going to get her staff at the DA's office to research your tax records and crap like that. I called her bluff and made a police complaint. I don't know if it's going to go anywhere. It seems all I can do is get a some sort of Do Not Contact order or something like that. The kid laid off of my daughter since, but has since moved on to somebody else. The school principal had previously said that she feels bad for the kid, that she's crying out for help. I didn't buy it at the time, I figured she was just a delinquent, but after dealing with the mother, I see what she means.
Some kids are better off in the system. I know a few of the people involved in social services. There are intances (many) in which they really do help.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:39:49am |
re: #310 ggt
The kid was involved in a act of attempted murder. If she is not welcome back, the system has to take her.
The court can refuse to take her and it can force you to readmit her and your refusal could land you in jail.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:40:38am |
re: #311 marjoriemoon
Should 11 yr olds be DATING at all? Much less a 15 yr old??
And why is a 15 yr old with an 11 yr old?
Maybe the mother has a wild child she can't control. Like trying to keep these two apart? The girl stole her cigs? Much more to it than that.
The skimpy article says they both tried to set her on fire.
Weird story. I think they all need psychiatric help.
Sounds like mom needs extensive parenting classes.
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sngnsgt Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:40:55am |
Thanks for all the links, I'm going to pick up "supplies" for New Year's and resolve things by this afternoon.
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Bob Dillon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:40:58am |
re: #275 Rightwingconspirator
Question for our experts around here. Is the cell phone code crack real?
GSM Encryption Cracked... GSMA's First Response? That's Illegal
[Link: techdirt.com...]
The big news in security circles this week is the fact that a security
researcher claims to have cracked the encryption used to keep GSM
mobile phone calls private. It looks like he and some collaborators
used a brute force method. He admits that it requires about $30,000
worth of equipment to de-crypt calls in real-time, but that's pocket
change for many of the folks who would want to make use of this.
What's much more interesting (and worrisome) is the GSM Association's
(GSMA) response to this news:
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:41:36am |
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:41:40am |
Also I got this from Time Warner last night -- Appears Fox is threatening to pull out because TW doesn't want to pay a price hike.
Don’t Let Them Hold Your TV Hostage
At midnight New Year’s Eve, FOX has threatened to pull the plug on Time Warner Cable customers – withholding their programming unless we pay massive price increases.
We think they’re going too far – especially in today’s economy – and we’re glad you agree. Over 600,000 of you have gone to RollOverOrGetTough.com. And, the overwhelming response has been to ‘Get Tough.’ With your support, we’re standing up to the TV networks to hold down the cost of cable TV.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:42:04am |
re: #311 marjoriemoon
Should 11 yr olds be DATING at all? Much less a 15 yr old??
And why is a 15 yr old with an 11 yr old?
Maybe the mother has a wild child she can't control. Like trying to keep these two apart? The girl stole her cigs? Much more to it than that.
The skimpy article says they both tried to set her on fire.
Weird story. I think they all need psychiatric help.
Is the girl's name 'Mallory' and the boy 'Mickey' by any chance?
| 322 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:42:25am |
re: #320 Thanos
Also I got this from Time Warner last night -- Appears Fox is threatening to pull out because TW doesn't want to pay a price hike.
What's that about?
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:42:28am |
re: #304 Thanos
Wow: Moonbat Sweat Lodge Guru to victims as they were dieing:
"It's a good day to die"
[Link: gawker.com...]
What a charlatan that guy is.
| 324 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:42:42am |
re: #315 MandyManners
The court can refuse to take her and it can force you to readmit her and your refusal could land you in jail.
As awful as jail is, I'd be safe from the one person I know attempted to kill me.
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stevemcg Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:43:20am |
re: #282 jayzee
I had replied to your misreading of the post before you said you misread the one you were responding to but submitted it after you had submitted your misreading of the original. I'm getting dizzy. Doesn't change the way I feel about Newt, though. I'm staying in the party. No way in heck to join the Democratic Party, and in PA an independent can only vote for ballot questions in a primary. There are some D's I would vote for, but they're not in my district. In the Senate primary, I'm going to write in Arlen Spector's name against Pat Toomey, not that it'll mean anything.
| 326 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:44:02am |
ahhhh, gotta go.
Have a great day Lizards!
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:44:03am |
re: #319 reine.de.tout
There's a psych study going on right now that measures task performance after looking at something cute for awhile (video or photo) So far it appears that the tasks are performed better and more exactly after seeing "cute". The effect appears more pronounced in women than in men.
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:44:13am |
re: #321 ryannon
Is the girl's name 'Mallory' and the boy 'Mickey' by any chance?
Ack! That went right over my head!
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:45:44am |
The sorry state of affairs in Yemen shouldn't come as a surprise. Yemeni officials for all their talk of cracking down on al Qaeda, have allowed al Qaeda, including high value targets, to operate there openly for years.
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:46:43am |
re: #320 Thanos
Also I got this from Time Warner last night -- Appears Fox is threatening to pull out because TW doesn't want to pay a price hike.
I got one too - I sent a nasty reply back asking them not to drag me into price negotiations with one of their vendors.
| 332 |
webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:46:54am |
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:47:00am |
re: #323 The Sanity Inspector
What a charlatan that guy is.
You're too kind. I can think of some other words for him.
Control freak.
Scumbag.
Asshole.
Murderer.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:47:13am |
re: #322 MandyManners
What's that about?
Basically a lot of content providers are trying to raise per subscriber rates that the Cable co's provide back to them because their ad revenues have fallen, they are playing hardball and the cable companies are hitting right back. Fox is leading the pack with their per subscriber hikes.
[ Which I really don't support since we already have to watch a lot of advertisements as is. ]
The amounts we are talking are probably pennies rather than dollars per sub per month, but it all adds up to big money.
| 336 |
subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:47:26am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:47:27am |
re: #327 Thanos
There's a psych study going on right now that measures task performance after looking at something cute for awhile (video or photo) So far it appears that the tasks are performed better and more exactly after seeing "cute". The effect appears more pronounced in women than in men.
I will always perform tasks better after I've seen (or heard) something that made me smile or laugh.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:47:42am |
re: #330 lawhawk
The sorry state of affairs in Yemen shouldn't come as a surprise. Yemeni officials for all their talk of cracking down on al Qaeda, have allowed al Qaeda, including high value targets, to operate there openly for years.
Two wanted al Qaeda operatives, Jamal Ahmed Mohammed Ali al Badawi and Fahd Mohammed Ahmed al Quso, have operated openly in Yemen despite being wanted for their roles in the Oct. 12, 2000, bombing of the USS Cole in Aden, Yemen, that killed 17 US sailors.
Another wanted al Qaeda operative, Jaber A. Elbaneh, was a member of the Buffalo Six, an al Qaeda cell based in Lackawanna, New York.
The US government has a $5 million reward for information leading to the arrests of Badawi, Elbaneh, and Quso, yet the Yemeni government has rebuffed efforts by the US to have them extradited to the US.
*seethe*
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:48:39am |
re: #320 Thanos
Also I got this from Time Warner last night -- Appears Fox is threatening to pull out because TW doesn't want to pay a price hike.
Same with Cox. They are running an add on sports radio saying the Sugar Bowl won't be shown.
| 340 |
RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:48:50am |
re: #304 Thanos
Wow: Moonbat Sweat Lodge Guru to victims as they were dieing:
"It's a good day to die"
[Link: gawker.com...]
Rule #1: If you want to know how to run a proper sweat lodge, don't ask a white guy.
| 341 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:49:02am |
re: #330 lawhawk
The sorry state of affairs in Yemen shouldn't come as a surprise. Yemeni officials for all their talk of cracking down on al Qaeda, have allowed al Qaeda, including high value targets, to operate there openly for years.
"I;m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that there is gambling in Ricks"
Claude Rains,,, Casablanca
| 342 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:49:40am |
re: #335 Thanos
Basically a lot of content providers are trying to raise per subscriber rates that the Cable co's provide back to them because their ad revenues have fallen, they are playing hardball and the cable companies are hitting right back. Fox is leading the pack with their per subscriber hikes.
[ Which I really don't support since we already have to watch a lot of advertisements as is. ]The amounts we are talking are probably pennies rather than dollars per sub per month, but it all adds up to big money.
So the rest of us get caught in the middle of their pissing contest?
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Vambo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:50:19am |
re: #342 MandyManners
So the rest of us get caught in the middle of their pissing contest?
the story of capitalism. ;)
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:50:55am |
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Cathypop Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:51:56am |
re: #342 MandyManners
So the rest of us get caught in the middle of their pissing contest?
Then go for a satellite dish. Never had my monthly billed raised in over 14 years.
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:53:23am |
re: #340 RogueOne
Rule #1: If you want to know how to run a proper sweat lodge, don't ask a white guy.
An amazing number of people make a living by leading dupes on a "Vision Quest", something that I always understood as needing to be done absolutely alone.
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subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:54:17am |
re: #343 Vambo
the story of capitalism. ;)
Hi Vambo. Exactly. In an odd way, we the viewers are - in fact - the product. Ad revenues/fees are based on the number of bodies the program can deliver, so while General Motors is trying to sell us a Buick, Fox is trying to sell General Motors - us.
And that's capitalism!
;-)
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:54:29am |
re: #342 MandyManners
So the rest of us get caught in the middle of their pissing contest?
Yes and no, if you feel strongly about a channel there are likely competitors who will scoop dropped channels up in area if TW or Cox drops it. It would become a sales point for them.
| 349 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:54:36am |
re: #316 MandyManners
Sounds like mom needs extensive parenting classes.
Also sounds like mom needed to learn how to say no at age 2 not just at age 11.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:55:28am |
re: #346 wrenchwench
An amazing number of people make a living by leading dupes on a "Vision Quest", something that I always understood as needing to be done absolutely alone.
An amazing number of people don't have the courage to do something like that absolutely alone.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:56:07am |
re: #335 Thanos
Basically a lot of content providers are trying to raise per subscriber rates that the Cable co's provide back to them because their ad revenues have fallen, they are playing hardball and the cable companies are hitting right back. Fox is leading the pack with their per subscriber hikes.
[ Which I really don't support since we already have to watch a lot of advertisements as is. ]The amounts we are talking are probably pennies rather than dollars per sub per month, but it all adds up to big money.
I was under the impression that, around here at least, the cable companies have to carry the local stations as part of their franchise agreement.
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Vambo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:56:08am |
re: #335 Thanos
[ Which I really don't support since we already have to watch a lot of advertisements as is. ]
srsly. and how about those ads that take up half the screen during an already running program? pretty soon advertisements will be the main programming, and the shows will take up a tiny corner of the screen every 10 minutes.
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:56:42am |
re: #348 Thanos
Yes and no, if you feel strongly about a channel there are likely competitors who will scoop dropped channels up in area if TW or Cox drops it. It would become a sales point for them.
Heh - if Fox really wanted to play hardball they would let Time Warner know how easy it would be for them to stream the Superbowl live over the internet.
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:57:11am |
re: #350 ryannon
An amazing number of people don't have the courage to do something like that absolutely alone.
Yep. I don't think courage can be bought.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:57:12am |
re: #351 RogueOne
I was under the impression that, around here at least, the cable companies have to carry the local stations as part of their franchise agreement.
I think we are talking the national network part: the News, Sports, and Financial channels. I could be mistaken however.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:58:23am |
re: #353 Racer X
Heh - if Fox really wanted to play hardball they would let Time Warner know how easy it would be for them to stream the Superbowl live over the internet.
In the end I expect Fox to bend - it's a long time huge hit to their ratings if Cox and TW drop them or vice versa
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:58:43am |
re: #335 Thanos
Which I really don't support since we already have to watch a lot of advertisements as is
As someone who has been in the satellite broadcast industry for over 2 decades, i'll just tell you that the cost to FOX to put up just one of their channels per month exceeds $150,000 for the satellite space alone. Multiply that by about 10 times per FOX owned channel. Why? They have to put it up in standard definition on one satellite transponder (channel), High Def on another, another to cover South America, another to cover Europe, the middle east, north Africa, the pacific rim ,, etc etc ,,, PER CHANNEL
Thats not even counting the extra sat space they have to purchase for special events (sports) and guests on shows from out of town, out of the country
Ad doesn't begin to cover it, coupled with paying talent, staff, studio, broadcast rights, etc etc
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 10:59:40am |
re: #357 sattv4u2
Yeah, but they canceled Dollhouse, so I say F' em
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:00:17am |
re: #356 Thanos
In the end I expect Fox to bend - it's a long time huge hit to their ratings if Cox and TW drop them or vice versa
Agreed. I just resent it when I get dragged in to a price dispute.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:00:24am |
re: #357 sattv4u2
Plus we are talking about their news channels, which have somewhat sucked in my books lately.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:00:52am |
re: #355 Thanos
That would make sense. I think around here they offer quite a few FSN stations.
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:01:17am |
re: #358 Thanos
Yeah, but they canceled Dollhouse, so I say F' em
What?!?
I thought they brought it back?
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:01:50am |
re: #362 Racer X
What?!?
I thought they brought it back?
Nope, it's over after these last few episodes this season
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:01:51am |
re: #354 wrenchwench
Yep. I don't think courage can be bought.
I guess they're buying the experience in the same way that people go on guided tours. But it takes all kinds and I'm sure that they're sincere in wanting a powerful, life-changing spiritual experience. I'll bet that some of them even get one - like those poor people in the sweat lodge.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:01:59am |
re: #360 Thanos
Plus we are talking about their news channels, which have somewhat sucked in my books lately.
Just because a show sucks (in your opinion) doesn't mean that it costs any less to distribute it. In fact, if the show REALLY sucks the ad revenue wioll be less and they STILL have the same overhead
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:03:08am |
re: #366 sattv4u2
Just because a show sucks (in your opinion) doesn't mean that it costs any less to distribute it. In fact, if the show REALLY sucks the ad revenue wioll be less and they STILL have the same overhead
Which is exactly why Fox is asking for jacked up rates. I call it the "Glen Beck Advertiser Loss" effect.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:03:31am |
re: #361 RogueOne
That would make sense. I think around here they offer quite a few FSN stations.
See my 357
Fox has over a dozen "regional" sports networks, each costing them about 150K a month just for the satellite space alone
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Slap Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:04:02am |
re: #219 MandyManners
I've always felt that this statement stays true across the boards, every minute, every day - whether it relates to an unattended van or anything else in life.
People just do not pay attention.
What was the topic, again?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:05:27am |
re: #367 Thanos
Which is exactly why Fox is asking for jacked up rates. I call it the "Glen Beck Advertiser Loss" effect.
Incorrect. Even though Beck has lost advertisers they were quickly replaced by others that were waiting. And even if those others were charged a little less it would not have forced FOX to charge the cable compnaies more. Your talking 1 one hour show, 5 days a week out of a 24/7 station
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:08:53am |
re: #371 sattv4u2
You can believe what you want, but .... their ads in prime time sell for a lot more than 150K each. I worked for Viacom for a few years, I know how it goes and even what a transponder is.
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Baier Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:10:04am |
re: #371 sattv4u2
Incorrect. Even though Beck has lost advertisers they were quickly replaced by others that were waiting. And even if those others were charged a little less it would not have forced FOX to charge the cable compnaies more. Your talking 1 one hour show, 5 days a week out of a 24/7 station
Some hours are worth more than others. I'd wager that Beck's contract will not be renewed with FOX...we'll I'd like to think that anyhow.
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subsailor68 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:10:17am |
re: #371 sattv4u2
Hi sattv4u2! Back in the mid-80's, I was the broadcast director for a satellite delivered medical television network. IIRC, my budget for one 24/7 C band transponder and one 6 hr/5 day Ku band transponder was about $3.7 million. If Fox is getting transponder time for $150,000 month - that's about $1.8 million a year. Unless my math is off - sat time is a pretty good value for money, compared to 25 years ago. Is that right?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:12:54am |
re: #369 Slap
I've always felt that this statement stays true across the boards, every minute, every day - whether it relates to an unattended van or anything else in life.
People just do not pay attention.
What was the topic, again?
LOOK! A BIRD!
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:13:33am |
re: #374 subsailor68
Dense wave division multiplexing aka DWDM.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:13:57am |
re: #372 Thanos
You can believe what you want, but ... their ads in prime time sell for a lot more than 150K each. I worked for Viacom for a few years, I know how it goes and even what a transponder is.
Not today. Prime time is about $125K, not "a lot more than 150K".
[Link: www.mediapost.com...]
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:15:41am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:16:42am |
re: #374 subsailor68
Hi sattv4u2! Back in the mid-80's, I was the broadcast director for a satellite delivered medical television network. IIRC, my budget for one 24/7 C band transponder and one 6 hr/5 day Ku band transponder was about $3.7 million. If Fox is getting transponder time for $150,000 month - that's about $1.8 million a year. Unless my math is off - sat time is a pretty good value for money, compared to 25 years ago. Is that right?
Correct. 25 years ago you could only put up 1 channel per trasnponder because 99% were analog (tiik up the entire transponder)
Today, we can put up dozens of digital stations on that same transponder
For the most part, broadcasters will still use an entire transponder for an HD channel especially if it's sports (lots of motion) , or 2 channles at the most
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:17:50am |
re: #373 Baier
Some hours are worth more than others. I'd wager that Beck's contract will not be renewed with FOX...we'll I'd like to think that anyhow.
As long as he has the ratinngs and still gets the ad revenue (even if it's a little less than before) he's not going anywhere
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:17:56am |
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:18:43am |
re: #379 Stanley Sea
Mike Leach fired.
Wow. That was quick. If he's guilty of the accusations then he deserved it.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:19:11am |
re: #377 sattv4u2
Not today. Prime time is about $125K, not "a lot more than 150K".
[Link: www.mediapost.com...]
I stand corrected, but my point's still valid even at that rate, and you've helped me prove it just now. Ad rev down, sub rates jacked up. You can try to defend the move all you want, but... per sub prices tend to take a long time to get back down while ad revenue will be on the rebound the next couple of years ( I wager it already is) Typically the agreements run three years, not year to year.
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Slap Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:20:16am |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
Late reply, I know....
In my mind, if you have patience for subtitles, you can NEVER go wrong with Kurosawa. Seven Samurai (my nominee for greatest film of all time) is a wonder. Yojimbo is hugely entertaining. Both were copied into Western versions - the Magnificent Seven (Seven Samurai), and both A Fistful of Dollars and Last Man Standing were based on Yojimbo and Hammett's Red Harvest.
I'll echo Hitch, esp Rope. But The Trouble With Harry is a total hoot, and worth watching so you can say you've seen a Hitchcock comedy. Plus it has Shirley MacLaine in one of her earliest, holy-cow-what-a-muffin-she-is roles.
My favorite sports movie is Paper Lion, if you can find it.
And if you are feelin' musical, The Last Waltz.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:20:17am |
Why I’m Particularly Worried About 2010—And Why I Have To Close VDARE.COM Tonight
By Peter Brimelow
I hate doing it, but I have to close VDARE.COM tonight. Nothing else seems to work. What would life be like if I had to closer VDARE.COM permanently?
Below, I will explain why I am particularly worried about immigration politics in 2009.
....
2009 has been a very difficult year in the economy. I particularly want to commiserate with the increasingly significant number of VDARE.COM donors who have written to say they have lost their jobs, due to outsourcing, immigration and what we at VDARE.COM have identified (you won’t get this in the Establishment Media) as the “Diversity Recession”—driven by the “Minority Mortgage Meltdown”. (emphasis original - ed)
....
Let me finish on a really disturbing note. During this Christmas fundraising appeal, we’ve seen a dramatic increase in readers giving or asking how they can give anonymously....Americans are afraid. And I don’t blame them. This year, the Obama Administration passed a “Hate Crimes Bill” that will certainly be used to attack speech—opposed by VDARE.COM, but with essentially no help from the Establishment Right, because the bill was supported by notoriously vicious lobbies.
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:21:21am |
re: #358 Thanos
Yeah, but they canceled Dollhouse, so I say F' em
No kidding.
Just as I was getting interested.
At least Joss (will he never learn?) is going to be able to finish the story unlike another show *cough*Firefly*cough* FOX cancelled way before its time.
Each time they do this I declare that FOX is dead to me, but then they pull me back in with a show like GLEE.
Damn you FOOOOOOXXXXXXX.....
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:21:40am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
Hurrah! .... if it happens. This reminds me of Oral Roberts plea...
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:22:40am |
re: #379 Stanley Sea
Mike Leach fired.
They owed him an $800k bonus payment tomorrow. I'm sure that had nothing to do with their decision to get rid of him today.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:23:17am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
I guess fear sells. {shakes head}
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:23:24am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
Why I’m Particularly Worried About 2010—And Why I Have To Close VDARE.COM Tonight
By Peter Brimelow
Let me finish on a really disturbing note. During this Christmas fundraising appeal, we’ve seen a dramatic increase in readers giving or asking how they can give anonymously...
What - they had 1 donor wanting to give anonymously last year and this year they have a 100% increase to 2 donors?
That's a ludicrous fear-mongering statement, imo.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:23:25am |
re: #390 RogueOne
They owed him an $800k bonus payment tomorrow. I'm sure that had nothing to do with their decision to get rid of him today.
It'll go to court I'm betting. He'll get paid one way or the other.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:23:35am |
re: #389 Thanos
This reminds me of Oral Roberts plea...
Yeah, they're just trying to raise money. There's enough big money behind VDARE that I seriously doubt they'll shut down for more than a day for publicity.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:23:43am |
Hrmmm, I hope someone's doing a massive data dump of VDARE or that the Wayback machine has it in case it gets "disappeared" to protect the evil....
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Slap Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:23:57am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
"notoriously vicious lobbies"?????????
Can I introduce you to Mr. Kettle, sir?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:24:36am |
re: #385 Thanos
Typically the agreements run three years, not year to year.
Incorrect again. Cable franchise contracts (for a city or town) are long term deals, especially the initial one so the cable co. can re-coup it's initial build investment (typically 5-7 years) but individual stations that the cable co. carries are year to year
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:24:50am |
re: #396 Slap
He went into a hotel and the elevator tried to eat him...
Next it will be vicious packs of "Keep Left" signs.
/
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soap_man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:25:06am |
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:27:31am |
re: #397 sattv4u2
Typically the agreements run three years, not year to year.
Incorrect again. Cable franchise contracts (for a city or town) are long term deals, especially the initial one so the cable co. can re-coup it's initial build investment (typically 5-7 years) but individual stations that the cable co. carries are year to year
Well then that changed after I left the business -- just to be clear, you are talking Satellite channels, like CNN, FNN, etc. that run year to year?
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:29:17am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
Why I’m Particularly Worried About 2010—And Why I Have To Close VDARE.COM Tonight
By Peter Brimelow
So...what's the explanation being given for "closing" their web site? Money? Damn. I have my own web site, plus two domain names, with vast, unused server space and gobs of fun server tools I never make use of, and the whole bundle costs me like $12 a month, total. I get a paltry 700 unique visitors per day (mostly repeats, I suspect) and the ad service I contract with generates more than what the site costs me. Not by much, but the point is that if you're threatening to close your site because you can't make ends meet, you're a moron.
Oh, wait - we're talking about VDARE, aren't we?
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:30:54am |
re: #399 soap_man
Good. You shouldn't F around when it comes to concussions.
Especially when the kid's dad is an ESPN analyst.
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:31:02am |
re: #388 webevintage
No kidding.
Just as I was getting interested.
At least Joss (will he never learn?) is going to be able to finish the story unlike another show *cough*Firefly*cough* FOX cancelled way before its time.Each time they do this I declare that FOX is dead to me, but then they pull me back in with a show like GLEE.
Damn you FOOOXXX...
Firefox was good. But for God's sake they canceled Arrested Development, the funniest show since Seinfeld. Not to mention Andy Richter Controls the Universe, which was very funny when they brought it back for it's second run.
Hell, they wouldn't have brought Family Guy back if the reruns weren't so obscenely popular on Cartoon Network.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:31:19am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
Why I’m Particularly Worried About 2010—And Why I Have To Close VDARE.COM Tonight
By Peter Brimelow
Yeah, everybody has PLEASE DONATE TO SAVE THIS WEBSITE pitches on their home page. Wikipedia does. Even I do but shopping at the Zionist Mall is just as good as a donation, and you get a good product.
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:32:13am |
David Duke to visit Czech republic again:
[Link: www.ceskenoviny.cz...]
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:32:29am |
re: #403 Thanos
Well then that changed after I left the business -- just to be clear, you are talking Satellite channels, like CNN, FNN, etc. that run year to year?
Except for your local affiliate for ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and FOX, ALL channels on your cable companies lineup are "satellite channels" (also excluding "local access TV"). If you live out in the sticks and the nearest "major market" is hundreds of miles away, you cable co. may be picking them up via satellite also, as an added source for your small town network affiliate
And yes, it is year to year
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:33:49am |
Hamas says that they've thwarted an attempt by Israeli security to infiltrate and rescue Gilad Shalit. A group of Palestinian collaborators was arrested.
Abu-Abdullah told the Palestine Times website that the cell had been in touch with Israel. "We arrested members of a cell made up of a number of collaborators, who rented a home and vehicles on the east side of the southern Gaza Strip," he said."They planned to kidnap a senior member of Hamas' military wing, Izz a-Din a-Qassam Brigades, in order to convey him to the Israeli side as part of their efforts to find Shalit.
Abu-Abdullah added that the Shin Bet was continuing its efforts to gather information on the soldier's whereabouts. "Even the war was part of the effort to find out his location and try to get to him," he said.
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:34:13am |
re: #406 Soap_Man
Firefox was good. But for God's sake they canceled Arrested Development, the funniest show since Seinfeld.
Funnier the Seinfeld.
The idea of an Arrested Development movie make me week in the knees....
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:35:10am |
re: #412 webevintage
Funnier the Seinfeld.
The idea of an Arrested Development movie make me week in the knees...
for all 7 days!?!?!
//
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:35:15am |
re: #411 lawhawk
I hope they're lying. Either way the men they picked up are probably dead within the week.
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:37:06am |
re: #412 webevintage
Funnier the Seinfeld.
The idea of an Arrested Development movie make me week in the knees...
I can't wait. But there are some good shows out there this year, for the first time in awhile. If you haven't seen Modern Family, you should check it out. Very AD-style humor.
| 416 |
Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:38:24am |
re: #409 sattv4u2
Thanks for the clarification on contract lengths, the rest was unnecessary typage, again I worked for years for a cable co.
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Buck Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:39:15am |
I am sorry if this has already been talked about. I am just too busy at work to catch up here.
BUT I want to say this where others will understand:
This is twice in as many months that "government has information on a known extremist, and that information is not shared and acted upon as it should have been".
Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me.
The Ft Hood killer (Hasan) was known to the authorities as an extremist. The reporting was done, and NOT SHARED OR ACTED UPON.
The Christmas Day bomber was known to the authorities as an extremist. The reporting was done, and NOT SHARED OR ACTED UPON.
AND BOTH have Imam Anwar al-Awlaki in common.
At the start of November, I didn't hear Obama talk about how the FACT that the information that Hasan was an extremist wasn't shared or acted upon, and that he (Obama) considered that totally unacceptable.
I didn't hear him talk about how we should learn from THAT episode and act quickly to fix the flaws in our system.
THIS WE CAN STATE CATEGORICALLY!
This is twice in as many months that "government has information on a known extremist, and that information is not shared and acted upon as it should have been".
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:40:19am |
Here's a movie blog you may not have heard of: Scott Marks' Emulsion Compulsion. Here he is hatin' on Bob Hope and James Cameron:
[Link: www.emulsioncompulsion.com...]
[Link: www.emulsioncompulsion.com...]
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:40:40am |
re: #417 Buck
Wasn't that one of the major points of DHS? To have all the info under one roof because intel wasn't being shared between the CIA and the FBI?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:41:04am |
re: #411 lawhawk
Hamas says that they've thwarted an attempt by Israeli security to infiltrate and rescue Gilad Shalit. A group of Palestinian collaborators was arrested.
Will they see if the "collaborators" can fly off high buildings?
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windsagio Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:42:18am |
re: #417 Buck
...
Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me....
you got the aphorism wrong:
Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me~can't get fooled again.
| 422 |
windsagio Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:43:06am |
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:43:41am |
Tree Surfing:
[Link: blogs.laweekly.com...]
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windsagio Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:45:05am |
re: #424 Thanos
The driver apparently made a turn, but the tree did not.
*sigh* Where are do they still teach physics these days?
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:46:12am |
re: #325 stevemcg
I had replied to your misreading of the post before you said you misread the one you were responding to but submitted it after you had submitted your misreading of the original. I'm getting dizzy. Doesn't change the way I feel about Newt, though. I'm staying in the party. No way in heck to join the Democratic Party, and in PA an independent can only vote for ballot questions in a primary. There are some D's I would vote for, but they're not in my district. In the Senate primary, I'm going to write in Arlen Spector's name against Pat Toomey, not that it'll mean anything.
I'm staying too. For the same reasons. I will vote my conscience however as I always do.
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windsagio Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:46:42am |
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:48:15am |
Don't tell Michelle Bachman...
[Link: law.rightpundits.com...]
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:48:21am |
This is what constitutes a quiet year in the Arab Israeli conflict: hundreds of rockets fired into Israel; hundreds of molotov cocktails throw; and all manner of attempted attacks and infiltrations across Israel's border with Gaza and from Gaza into Israel via Sinai.
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morrisab Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:49:56am |
re: #388 webevintage
No kidding.
Just as I was getting interested.
At least Joss (will he never learn?) is going to be able to finish the story unlike another show *cough*Firefly*cough* FOX cancelled way before its time.
Word. Wordy McWord Word. Right down to the "just as I was getting interested." My son didn't even try to watch Dollhouse, although my daughter and I are avid viewers, because his heart is still broken from Firefly. Joss - you are Charlie Brown. Fox is Lucy with the football. You're a smart guy - figure it out!
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Buck Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:50:09am |
re: #419 Soap_Man
Yes, but my point is that no one seems to be connecting the two attacks. They are related in a few VERY KEY ways. The media (both right and left) and the opposition party are missing this.
While Obama steers the conversation about what he meant when he said ‘isolated extremist’, or what Janet Napolitano meant when she said, “The system worked.”
No one is calling on the President to explain why he didn't take the first attack seriously enough to call for reviews about what went wrong. Why he didn't talk about THE FACT that HIS government had information on a known (FT HOOD) extremist, and that information was not shared and acted upon as it should have been".
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:51:00am |
Has anyone heard Uncle Ron today?
"They're terrorists because we're occupiers"
There is a little logic to that line of thought, but it is much more complex than that.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:51:01am |
re: #411 lawhawk
Hamas says that they've thwarted an attempt by Israeli security to infiltrate and rescue Gilad Shalit. A group of Palestinian collaborators was arrested.
I'd love to see Israel drop one bomb on Hamas HQ each day until Gilad Shalit is released unharmed. Freaking ridiculous!
| 434 |
jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:52:06am |
And more terrorism news. The gov't needs to stop saying things like no terrorism matrix, no larger plot, etc. Bush did it too, so I am not criticizing this admin only, but enough is enough.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:54:13am |
re: #432 Soap_Man
Has anyone heard Uncle Ron today?
There is a little logic to that line of thought, but it is much more complex than that.
What's he talking about?
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:54:21am |
re: #425 windsagio
*sigh* Where are do they still teach physics these days?
All your physics are belongs to us.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:54:25am |
re: #429 lawhawk
This is what constitutes a quiet year in the Arab Israeli conflict: hundreds of rockets fired into Israel; hundreds of molotov cocktails throw; and all manner of attempted attacks and infiltrations across Israel's border with Gaza and from Gaza into Israel via Sinai.
...and it only gets reported in our MSM when Israel fights back.
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:56:57am |
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osprey34229 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:58:42am |
I see there Umar the underwear bomber has retained an attorney
and stopped talking to the police. He is being held in a
civilian jail . This man is not an American citizen , he is at
war with us and trying to kill our citizens . He should be in
Gitmo ! Oh that's right we are closing Gitmo - hell I wonder
if he knew that- we have stopped all that Bush era sh#t WHY
DID HE ATTACK US??
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 11:58:49am |
re: #411 lawhawk
I thought that Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnapping originally right?
/
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:03:36pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:03:58pm |
re: #440 jayzee
I thought that Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnapping originally right?
/
The Israelis are a humane lot. They could have just said Kaddish over the poor soldier's memory, and gone in with Hellfires ablazin'.
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:05:17pm |
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:05:30pm |
re: #98 MandyManners
Oh, shut the fuck up, Chavez.
I'll second that. And also add 'go p*ss up a rope, Chavez.'.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:08:16pm |
re: #442 The Sanity Inspector
The Israelis are a humane lot. They could have just said Kaddish over the poor soldier's memory, and gone in with Hellfires ablazin'.
It's just terrible-one side puts no value on human life, while the Israelis value it so much. Trading hundreds of prisoners for even their loved one's remains. It is a compassion that their enemies view as weakness. I pray Shalit returns to Israel safely soon, and that those that carried out his kidnapping are brought to justice.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:13:27pm |
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:13:55pm |
re: #194 jayzee
Also, I didn't say anything about his vacation. Neither did Cheney. You are right on the other two, but politicians do what politicians do unfortunately. The rhetoric from the left was better? You don't remember Hillary screaming "what did they know, when did they know it" right after 9/11. Despicable? Yes, Surprising? No. Only on one side of the aisle? No.
In this case, yes, there was a difference.
Like the Obama White House, the Bush White House told reporters the president had been briefed on the incident and was following it closely. While the Obama White House issued a background statement through a senior administration official calling the incident an “attempted terrorist attack” on the same day it took place, the early official statements from Bush aides did not make the same explicit statement.
Bush did not address reporters about the Reid episode until December 28, after he had traveled from Camp David to his ranch in Texas.
Democrats do not appear to have criticized Bush over the delay.
[SNIP]
An Agence France-Presse story was one of the few to call attention to the silence from Bush and other top officials.
“Four days after Richard Colvin Reid, 28, tried to set fire to his explosives-laden shoes on a trans-Atlantic flight, neither the White House nor other authorities had spoken officially on the alleged would-be suicide bombing,” AFP wrote on Dec. 27, 2001.
During a wide-ranging 25-minute press availability with Bush the next day, reporters asked more than 15 questions, including queries about the president’s New Year’s Eve plans and a tree he’d planted. Bush was never asked about Reid, but mentioned the attempt in passing.
[SNIP]
In an appearance Monday on WCBS-TV in New York, King said, “I'm disappointed it's taken the president 72 hours to even address this issue. Basically nobody, the president, the vice president, the attorney general, nobody except [Homeland Security] Secretary [Janet] Napolitano has come out. And she said yesterday everything worked well. What I hope the president would do is treat this in a bipartisan way, acknowledge that mistakes were made and promise we'll do all we can to make sure it doesn't happen again."
And speaking Monday on Fox News, Hoekstra took a similar tack, arguing that the slowness of Obama’s reaction showed terrorism wasn’t high on his agenda. “On many other instances and occasions the president is out front. He’s out front leading very early on a lot of different issues. When it comes to terrorism to the threat to the homeland, the president has decided to stay silent for 72 hours. He needs to explain that,” said the Michigan Republican, who is the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee. “Why this is not a priority? It should be his No. 1 priority.”
Asked Tuesday about how Obama’s response differed from Bush’s, King said it was his “recollection” that senior Bush Administration officials such as Attorney General John Ashcroft did speak out about Reid’s case soon after he was arrested. However, POLITICO could not locate any public comment from Ashcroft before he held a press conference when Reid was indicted nearly a month later.
“My point was there was no word coming from anyone except a press handout,” King told POLITICO Tuesday. “It didn’t have to be the president. I’d have been fine if it were Eric Holder or for that matter [Homeland Security Secretary Janet] Napolitano. … There should be a face for the administration. For the first 48 hours, nobody said a word.”
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:13:58pm |
re: #439 osprey34229
I see there Umar the underwear bomber has retained an attorney
and stopped talking to the police. He is being held in a
civilian jail . This man is not an American citizen , he is at
war with us and trying to kill our citizens . He should be in
Gitmo ! Oh that's right we are closing Gitmo - hell I wonder
if he knew that- we have stopped all that Bush era sh#t WHY
DID HE ATTACK US??
Actually, he's been provided with an attorney by the Federal government and is being held under Federal detention, both of which are required by law. His attorney has advised him not to give statements, as any attorney would. He is being treated in exactly the same manner as anyone else accused of committing a crime while on US soil, as required by that pesky, inconvenient document known as the Constitution.
Before ranting, please at least collect some actual facts to back yourself up with.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:15:18pm |
re: #439 osprey34229
I see there Umar the underwear bomber has retained an attorney
and stopped talking to the police. He is being held in a
civilian jail . This man is not an American citizen , he is at
war with us and trying to kill our citizens . He should be in
Gitmo ! Oh that's right we are closing Gitmo - hell I wonder
if he knew that- we have stopped all that Bush era sh#t WHY
DID HE ATTACK US??
Wait, your saying he attacked us because we are closing Gitmo?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:15:36pm |
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:17:30pm |
re: #452 Cineaste
Wait, your saying he attacked us because we are closing Gitmo?
Also, last I heard the current Administration was still doing all the Bush era shit, much to the dismay of many on the Left, and asking that much of it be extended permanently.
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Buck Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:17:42pm |
re: #439 osprey34229
I see there Umar the underwear bomber has retained an attorney
and stopped talking to the police. He is being held in a
civilian jail . This man is not an American citizen , he is at
war with us and trying to kill our citizens . He should be in
Gitmo ! Oh that's right we are closing Gitmo - hell I wonder
if he knew that- we have stopped all that Bush era sh#t WHY
DID HE ATTACK US??
Anyone arrested in the USA, and territories is given Miranda rights. Gitmo is/was for people picked up in other countries, on a battlefield, and is non-uniformed combatants (as defined by the Geneva convention).
Gitmo has never been used for anyone arrested in the USA.
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:18:09pm |
re: #453 MandyManners
We're occupying Yemen and Nigeria?
It started getting real fun when Ben Stein dropped "anti-semitism" and the two just started yelling at each other. Poor old Larry King, trying to keep order to that ridiculous affair.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:18:16pm |
re: #450 Cineaste
In comparing this to Reid, yes you are right. But I still don't see your point. How about Moore's film about 9/11? How about the Hillary comment I referenced? How about all the other criticisms? I have no problem saying the right is being hypocritical, they are. Without equivocation. As is the left. Intellectual honesty goes a very long way.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:18:30pm |
re: #444 Cygnus
I'll second that. And also add 'go p*ss up a rope, Chavez.'.
Rope is a capitalist tool meant to enslave the masses.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:18:41pm |
Poll: Obama The Most Admired Figure -- And GOPers Still Prefer Him To Glenn Beck
A USA Today/Gallup poll finds that President Barack Obama is the country's most admired man, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the most admired woman.
Among Republicans, Obama came in second to George W. Bush, but still beat out Glenn Beck in the poll.
The poll asked "What man that you have heard or read about, living today in any part of the world, do you admire most?" In response, 30% gave Obama as their answer, dominating Bush, who was the second-highest most common response, with 4%.
....
Among Republicans, Bush only beat Obama 11%-7%, and Obama is still more admired than Beck, who received 3% of the GOP vote.
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Slap Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:19:18pm |
re: #458 MandyManners
Or a great Hitchcock movie. Full Circle!
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:20:25pm |
re: #455 Buck
Anyone arrested in the USA, and territories is given Miranda rights. Gitmo is/was for people picked up in other countries, on a battlefield, and is non-uniformed combatants (as defined by the Geneva convention).
Gitmo has never been used for anyone arrested in the USA.
Damn you and your logic-type thoughts...
:)
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:20:32pm |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
Poll: Obama The Most Admired Figure -- And GOPers Still Prefer Him To Glenn Beck
Same poll: Hillary beat Palin by a single percentage point.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:20:49pm |
re: #456 Soap_Man
It started getting real fun when Ben Stein dropped "anti-semitism" and the two just started yelling at each other. Poor old Larry King, trying to keep order to that ridiculous affair.
I might have to watch it despite my dislike of lnɐd uoɹ.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:22:35pm |
re: #411 lawhawk
Hamas says that they've thwarted an attempt by Israeli security to infiltrate and rescue Gilad Shalit. A group of Palestinian collaborators was arrested.
You'll pardon my skepticism concerning the accuracy of anything described as Hamas intelligence.
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:23:02pm |
The terrorists are going to win because Obama hasn't flown back to D.C. to kick their asses by holding a press conference!
///
I can't wrap my head around the fact that some people are losing their shit about the President not losing his.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:23:31pm |
re: #457 jayzee
In comparing this to Reid, yes you are right. But I still don't see your point. How about Moore's film about 9/11? How about the Hillary comment I referenced? How about all the other criticisms? I have no problem saying the right is being hypocritical, they are. Without equivocation. As is the left. Intellectual honesty goes a very long way.
yes, but presenting a tu quoque is on the side. I'm looking at the specifics of this situation. It is worth noting that the issues that Hillary was addressing (and much of Moore's film) were related to the preamble to Iraq which, ostensibly, had nothing to do with any terrorist attack on us (remember, it was about WMD originally). She was claiming that Bush lied and, we have since learned, that if that is hyperbole, the Bush administration was at the least being willfully deceptive about the yellow cake and numerous other aspects of their intelligence. We basically went to war because of the gossip from one man named Chalabi who wanted to make some cash.
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:25:19pm |
re: #463 MandyManners
I might have to watch it despite my dislike of lnɐd uoɹ.
There is this (possibly was) this show on ESPN called "Around the Horn." They had four sports writers via satellite discussing stuff. The show wasn't that good, but it had one great idea: The moderator had a mute button that would cut someone's mic off for 10 seconds if they were interrupting others or saying ludicrous things.
I wish some of these news shows would try that out. It's a good way to keep order. If you just put a couple of partisans in the same discussion, 90 percent of the time it descends into useless chaos.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:26:00pm |
re: #463 MandyManners
I might have to watch it despite my dislike of lnɐd uoɹ.
When I saw it I almost threw a shoe at his head.
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:26:18pm |
re: #273 webevintage
Hey , no problem.
Look guys, new avatar...the scary kitteh Nico who runs our household.
Wow - Basement Cat Lite!
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avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:26:29pm |
re: #417 Buck
I am sorry if this has already been talked about. I am just too busy at work to catch up here.
BUT I want to say this where others will understand:
This is twice in as many months that "government has information on a known extremist, and that information is not shared and acted upon as it should have been".
Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me.
The Ft Hood killer (Hasan) was known to the authorities as an extremist. The reporting was done, and NOT SHARED OR ACTED UPON.
The Christmas Day bomber was known to the authorities as an extremist. The reporting was done, and NOT SHARED OR ACTED UPON.
AND BOTH have Imam Anwar al-Awlaki in common.
At the start of November, I didn't hear Obama talk about how the FACT that the information that Hasan was an extremist wasn't shared or acted upon, and that he (Obama) considered that totally unacceptable.
I didn't hear him talk about how we should learn from THAT episode and act quickly to fix the flaws in our system.
THIS WE CAN STATE CATEGORICALLY!
This is twice in as many months that "government has information on a known extremist, and that information is not shared and acted upon as it should have been".
Yep, the Christmas bomber was reported by his father in Nov of last year, so that's two administrations that should have been informed.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:26:46pm |
re: #467 Soap_Man
There is this (possibly was) this show on ESPN called "Around the Horn." They had four sports writers via satellite discussing stuff. The show wasn't that good, but it had one great idea: The moderator had a mute button that would cut someone's mic off for 10 seconds if they were interrupting others or saying ludicrous things.
I wish some of these news shows would try that out. It's a good way to keep order. If you just put a couple of partisans in the same discussion, 90 percent of the time it descends into useless chaos.
...and most audiences eagerly lap that shit up.
If the hosts could get a couple of Senators to throw chairs at each other, the ratings would go through the roof.
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osprey34229 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:27:25pm |
# 451
You see his action as a crime - I see it as an act of war
by an enemy soldier! Holding up a liquor store is a crime
trying to kill 300+ civilians by a declared enemy is WAR.
Back at you on the rant.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:27:49pm |
re: #464 Spare O'Lake
I'm sure that they know what's going on in Gaza with pretty good accuracy. That's how they get to stay in power - via informants, snitches, and thugs looking all over for collaborators and Israeli spies who are trying to figure out what Hamas is up to.
While they're spinning this as a bust of a group looking to free Shalit by capturing high level Hamas thugs, it could also be an internecine struggle against other gangs or terror cells operating in Gaza that threaten Hamas' power structure. It wouldn't be the first time either.
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:28:19pm |
re: #467 Soap_Man
There is this (possibly was) this show on ESPN called "Around the Horn." They had four sports writers via satellite discussing stuff. The show wasn't that good, but it had one great idea: The moderator had a mute button that would cut someone's mic off for 10 seconds if they were interrupting others or saying ludicrous things.
I wish some of these news shows would try that out. It's a good way to keep order. If you just put a couple of partisans in the same discussion, 90 percent of the time it descends into useless chaos.
It's still on. I enjoy hearing opinions on sports stories, it's something different.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:29:11pm |
re: #474 Girth
It's still on. I enjoy hearing opinions on sports stories, it's something different.
I love around the horn!
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:30:21pm |
re: #470 avanti
Yep, the Christmas bomber was reported by his father in Nov of last year, so that's two administrations that should have been informed.
Yes!
*fist pump*
We still get to blame Bush!
| 477 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:30:26pm |
re: #467 Soap_Man
There is this (possibly was) this show on ESPN called "Around the Horn." They had four sports writers via satellite discussing stuff. The show wasn't that good, but it had one great idea: The moderator had a mute button that would cut someone's mic off for 10 seconds if they were interrupting others or saying ludicrous things.
I wish some of these news shows would try that out. It's a good way to keep order. If you just put a couple of partisans in the same discussion, 90 percent of the time it descends into useless chaos.
Oh, I'd love to have a MUTE button IRL.
| 478 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:30:40pm |
| 479 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:31:18pm |
re: #472 osprey34229
# 451
You see his action as a crime - I see it as an act of war
by an enemy soldier! Holding up a liquor store is a crime
trying to kill 300+ civilians by a declared enemy is WAR.Back at you on the rant.
A soldier of what nation?
| 480 |
lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:31:52pm |
re: #472 osprey34229
Based on precedent, and that he was taken into custody by federal law enforcement, detention in a federal criminal facility and eventual trial in federal court is appropriate. It's how the US tried Richard Reid, and Mutallab committed essentially the same exact crime.
It is a different matter when terrorists are captured overseas, even when they're accused of hitting targets within the US. The Obama Administration is keen to try most of those in federal courts, even though tribunals are a legal mechanism that has survived constitutional muster and which will be used in some instances (even with KSM should a jury in the SDNY find him not guilty of the charges).
It's my contention that the tribunals would be a responsible venue for trying the terrorists captured overseas, while retaining the federal courts for those captured on US soil for attacks committed in the US.
| 481 |
Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:32:18pm |
re: #474 Girth
It's still on. I enjoy hearing opinions on sports stories, it's something different.
I should rephrase that. I loved the concept and really liked the host, but I didn't care for some of the writers they chose to appear on the show. Woody Paige and Jay Marriotti are f'ing annoying.
| 482 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:32:40pm |
re: #473 lawhawk
I'm sure that they know what's going on in Gaza with pretty good accuracy. That's how they get to stay in power - via informants, snitches, and thugs looking all over for collaborators and Israeli spies who are trying to figure out what Hamas is up to.
While they're spinning this as a bust of a group looking to free Shalit by capturing high level Hamas thugs, it could also be an internecine struggle against other gangs or terror cells operating in Gaza that threaten Hamas' power structure. It wouldn't be the first time either.
I was especially impressed by the Hamas claim that Operation Cast Lead itself was just another failed attempt to locate Shalit.
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:32:48pm |
re: #477 MandyManners
Oh, I'd love to have a MUTE button IRL.
What we really need is a button on the remote that if a high enough percentage of all people watching the show press at the same time, it would give the person talking an electric shock. Get me that, and I'll start watching Glenn Beck every day.
| 484 |
avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:34:24pm |
re: #476 Racer X
Yes!
*fist pump*
We still get to blame Bush!
Neither POTUS should be blamed, the failures were much lower down the chain, but someone has to fix that failure at some point.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:34:51pm |
re: #483 Girth
What we really need is a button on the remote that if a high enough percentage of all people watching the show press at the same time, it would give the person talking an electric shock. Get me that, and I'll start watching Glenn Beck every day.
And, most of MSNBC.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:35:33pm |
re: #470 avanti
His father reported him in November 2009 - this year, not last year.
There were other bits of information about him floating around for a couple of years, but nothing related to a specific plot or plan to attack until the last couple of months.
The most pressing issue at the moment is: why, given the seeming wealth of information tying him to unpleasant groups and possible activities, was he granted a visa to visit the US?
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:35:53pm |
re: #466 Cineaste
yes, but presenting a tu quoque is on the side. I'm looking at the specifics of this situation. It is worth noting that the issues that Hillary was addressing (and much of Moore's film) were related to the preamble to Iraq which, ostensibly, had nothing to do with any terrorist attack on us (remember, it was about WMD originally). She was claiming that Bush lied and, we have since learned, that if that is hyperbole, the Bush administration was at the least being willfully deceptive about the yellow cake and numerous other aspects of their intelligence. We basically went to war because of the gossip from one man named Chalabi who wanted to make some cash.
You are wrong about Hillary. She said what she in regards to 9/11. Same with Moore's criticism of Bush regarding his response to hearing the attacks while reading to the children (you remember that scene from his movie?).
We can argue Iraq another time if you like, but it is not pertinent to the argument at hand. My original statement was a condemnation of political rhetoric in general. It was not meant as a tu quoque. I condemn the rhetoric on the right, as I did the rhetoric on the left. I wish those on the left could do the same. I find the criticisms (that you referenced above) from the right a being very hypocritical as I do the shock and dismay of the left when hearing them. Political discourse in the country gets lower every year, with the party out of power (which ever party it be), bringing it lower every election cycle.
| 488 |
Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:36:02pm |
Obama Slams Security Breach
Reports, Intercepts Suggested Attack Preparations; Multiple Agencies Had Warning
The U.S. had multiple pieces of information about alleged bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, according to senior U.S. officials, including intelligence reports and communications intercepts suggesting a Nigerian was being prepped for a terror strike by al Qaeda operatives in Yemen.
President Obama on Tuesday described these lapses in general terms during a sweeping broadside aimed at his government's intelligence services. Citing a "potential catastrophic breach," he said the warning signs, if heeded, would have prevented the Christmas Day attempted bombing on a Detroit-bound airplane.
"A systemic failure has occurred and I consider that totally unacceptable," the president said, referencing "a mix of human and systemic failure." In his comments, the president cited information "that could have and should have been pieced together."
That is gonna sting, Janet.
"The system worked".
| 489 |
Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:36:37pm |
re: #484 avanti
Neither POTUS should be blamed, the failures were much lower down the chain, but someone has to fix that failure at some point.
I don't see anything about Nov 2008.
| 490 |
Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:36:43pm |
| 491 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:36:46pm |
re: #472 osprey34229
# 451
You see his action as a crime - I see it as an act of war
by an enemy soldier! Holding up a liquor store is a crime
trying to kill 300+ civilians by a declared enemy is WAR.Back at you on the rant.
See it any way you like. Back here in reality, it was a crime. We aren't at war with anyone, despite the rhetorical flourishes so often tossed around.
Again, try dealing with facts.
| 492 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:37:17pm |
Just got back from Sherlock Holmes. I give it a thumbs up.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:37:31pm |
re: #478 MandyManners
Was it a Persian shoe?
Hahaha. Nope, it was one of ours...made in China of course.
| 494 |
Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:37:52pm |
re: #492 JasonA
Just got back from Sherlock Holmes. I give it a thumbs up.
Really? I've heard mixed reviews.
| 495 |
lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:38:33pm |
re: #482 Spare O'Lake
That there's any Hamas thugs left is taken as a victory by the Hamas thugs, even as the rest of Gaza is turned into a wasteland by their own actions.
| 496 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:39:06pm |
re: #494 Soap_Man
Really? I've heard mixed reviews.
I found it enjoyable in the same way I did Pirates of the Caribbean. It was fun.
| 497 |
Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:39:12pm |
re: #486 SixDegrees
The most pressing issue at the moment is: why, given the seeming wealth of information tying him to unpleasant groups and possible activities, was he granted a visa to visit the US?
I believe he got the Visa over a year ago and only made the TIDE last AFTER that.
| 498 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:39:36pm |
re: #488 Racer X
That is gonna sting, Janet.
"The system worked".
Hope so. For what it's worth, I'll give the President props for telling it like it is. I just hope there's real action taken on fixing the problems, and not just rhetoric tossed in their direction.
| 499 |
osprey34229 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:40:38pm |
#479
That is the crux of the problem . He is a soldier of an
ideology located in man's head !
#480
Then you are against trying the Gitmo prisoners in NYC ?
| 500 |
Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:40:42pm |
re: #496 JasonA
I found it enjoyable in the same way I did Pirates of the Caribbean. It was fun.
Nothing wrong with a good popcorn movie. To be fair, the few friends who saw it and didn't like it fall into the category of "movie snob."
| 501 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:41:01pm |
re: #486 SixDegrees
His father reported him in November 2009 - this year, not last year.
There were other bits of information about him floating around for a couple of years, but nothing related to a specific plot or plan to attack until the last couple of months.
The most pressing issue at the moment is: why, given the seeming wealth of information tying him to unpleasant groups and possible activities, was he granted a visa to visit the US?
Thanks for pointing out the truth.
| 502 |
andres Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:41:28pm |
| 503 |
Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:41:36pm |
re: #449 Alouette
the U.S. is occupying Nigeria? Who knew?
There's a Nigerian Bank joke in there somewhere.
| 504 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:41:59pm |
re: #490 Cygnus
You just destroyed about 10,000 of my brain cells with that. Thanks.
You're quite welcome!
| 505 |
RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:42:25pm |
re: #455 Buck
Anyone arrested in the USA, and territories is given Miranda rights. Gitmo is/was for people picked up in other countries, on a battlefield, and is non-uniformed combatants (as defined by the Geneva convention).
Gitmo has never been used for anyone arrested in the USA.
There are plenty of military facilities where they could have sent him. If the president chose he could have immediately classified him as an enemy combatant and had him held in a military brig. They chose to allow him to be held by civilian authorities.
| 506 |
Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:42:48pm |
re: #487 jayzee
You are wrong about Hillary. She said what she in regards to 9/11. Same with Moore's criticism of Bush regarding his response to hearing the attacks while reading to the children (you remember that scene from his movie?).
That was a very different situation I would submit. It wasn't a failed attack but a massive, catastrophic & coordinated attack by unknown elements on the US that was in progress and, frankly, he froze. It's embarrassing but he froze. I don't think he could have stopped the attacks but personally, I think when you here that it just went from an accident to unquestionably a massive attack, you say to everyone: "excuse me boys & girls but I have to go, I'm sure you'll be hearing more why. Thank you very much for having me and I promise I'll come back at some point in the future to finish this." That being said, you were quoting Hillary's assertions about "lies" and, again, those quotes were about the justification for the Iraq war. If you think differently, please present the data and I'll stand corrected.
| 507 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:42:48pm |
re: #493 Spare O'Lake
Hahaha. Nope, it was one of ours...made in China of course.
I wonder if there still are such funny and insightful bits about the Middle East out there.
| 508 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:43:15pm |
re: #497 Cineaste
I believe he got the Visa over a year ago and only made the TIDE last AFTER that.
Then something needs to be examined regarding the visa system. As new information became available - his addition to Britain's no fly list, his father's multiple contacts with the US and other embassies detailing his concerns, warnings from other intelligence agencies about an imminent terrorist plot being launched out of Nigeria, all occurring over the last several weeks - his visa should have been revoked if it has already been issued. Among other things.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:43:47pm |
re: #500 Soap_Man
Nothing wrong with a good popcorn movie. To be fair, the few friends who saw it and didn't like it fall into the category of "movie snob."
Heh. I know the type, mostly in the form of music snobs. I like to a judge a film based on what it does for me, not what it doesn't. Shawshank Redemption it ain't, but Sherlock had plenty of charm.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:44:07pm |
re: #499 osprey34229
Not to be mean but, how about using the "QUOTE" button?
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:44:32pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:44:49pm |
re: #503 Cygnus
There's a Nigerian Bank joke in there somewhere.
Bless his daddy's heart for refusing to cover up for his son.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:45:47pm |
re: #508 SixDegrees
Then something needs to be examined regarding the visa system. As new information became available - his addition to Britain's no fly list, his father's multiple contacts with the US and other embassies detailing his concerns, warnings from other intelligence agencies about an imminent terrorist plot being launched out of Nigeria, all occurring over the last several weeks - his visa should have been revoked if it has already been issued. Among other things.
Absolutely. I also don't fully understand why anyone on the TIDE list isn't given extra scrutiny at airports.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:46:06pm |
re: #486 SixDegrees
His father reported him in November 2009 - this year, not last year.
There were other bits of information about him floating around for a couple of years, but nothing related to a specific plot or plan to attack until the last couple of months.
The most pressing issue at the moment is: why, given the seeming wealth of information tying him to unpleasant groups and possible activities, was he granted a visa to visit the US?
All true but we should probably keep in mind the mini battle the dems and the admin decided to pick with the CIA after the election. No one in the CIA is going to stick their neck out for administration they don't believe has their back if they turn out to be wrong.
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:46:12pm |
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:46:16pm |
re: #499 osprey34229
Yes, I am opposed to the trials in federal court since there was an alternative to the trials that wouldn't burden the federal courts, the NYPD, and still would be a legal mechanism to try the terrorists for their actions; the tribunals.
By the Administration's own admissions, they plan on using tribunals in certain cases where they don't think that they can get convictions in federal court; but that's precisely why none of them should be tried - it's an arbitrary process to determine whether they can go into federal court, and it will lead to still more delays and motions that will have to be decided by the courts before the tribunals can be used.
However, since the Administration did decide to try them in federal court, SDNY is the proper venue because the NYPD is best suited to provide security and because it is where the prosecutors have the most experience in trying terror cases and because of the proximity to the target of the attacks.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:46:35pm |
re: #512 MandyManners
Bless his daddy's heart for refusing to cover up for his son.
Not that it seems to have done any good, but he certainly deserves praise for doing the right thing. The US embassy ought to dip into their slush fund and drop several large in his pocket.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:46:38pm |
re: #512 MandyManners
Bless his daddy's heart for refusing to cover up for his son.
Yeah, it seems his dad was doing his best to get him taken care of before he got in trouble doing something stupid.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:47:25pm |
re: #513 Cineaste
Absolutely. I also don't fully understand why anyone on the TIDE list isn't given extra scrutiny at airports.
It does raise the question of why it exists at all if it isn't being used for anything, which appears to be the case.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:47:35pm |
re: #514 RogueOne
All true but we should probably keep in mind the mini battle the dems and the admin decided to pick with the CIA after the election. No one in the CIA is going to stick their neck out for administration they don't believe has their back if they turn out to be wrong.
If you're right then they should be fired. They should be protecting the American people. If they knew something and withheld it because they didn't like the comments of the CiC then they can go get fucked. No matter who the CiC is.
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avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:47:53pm |
re: #489 Racer X
I don't see anything about Nov 2008.
I was in error, he was picked up for a report to the CIA in Nov last year and updated in January and that was not acted on and I incorrectly assumed that was from his father.
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:48:08pm |
re: #509 JasonA
Heh. I know the type, mostly in the form of music snobs. I like to a judge a film based on what it does for me, not what it doesn't. Shawshank Redemption it ain't, but Sherlock had plenty of charm.
I haven't seen it, but from the previews it looks like their trying to make Sherlock Holmes into too much of an action character, like the later Pierce Brosnan Bond movies. I'll rent it when it comes to DVD.
I'm waiting for Book of Eli. Denzel Washington with a Gary Oldman villain? Win.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:48:52pm |
re: #496 JasonA
I found it enjoyable in the same way I did Pirates of the Caribbean. It was fun.
Pirates of the Caribbean "The Black Pearl" was fun, "Dead Man's Chest," eh, "At World's End" Teh Suck.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:49:07pm |
re: #519 SixDegrees
It does raise the question of why it exists at all if it isn't being used for anything, which appears to be the case.
Exactly. What is it? The list of people we are potentially concerned about but not actually concerned about? WTF?
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:49:25pm |
re: #520 Cineaste
If you're right then they should be fired. They should be protecting the American people. If they knew something and withheld it because they didn't like the comments of the CiC then they can go get fucked. No matter who the CiC is.
True but you can't blame them. They're asked to push the envelope to keep us safe and when they do they're threatened with jail time. Everyone thought it was wonderful when members of the CIA decided on their own to release information on secret holding facilities but now that the shoe is on the other foot they want to cry foul.
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osprey34229 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:50:01pm |
#491
I don't think I would use the not at war with anyone bs with any
of our troops in the near east!! I am at war with SOB trying
to kill us.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:50:12pm |
re: #523 Alouette
Pirates of the Caribbean "The Black Pearl" was fun, "Dead Man's Chest," eh, "At World's End" Teh Suck.
I can't say you're wrong there. It wasn't the same after the first one.
And don't get me started on the Matrix... I really need to get to work :)
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:50:29pm |
re: #514 RogueOne
All true but we should probably keep in mind the mini battle the dems and the admin decided to pick with the CIA after the election. No one in the CIA is going to stick their neck out for administration they don't believe has their back if they turn out to be wrong.
I am hoping a full investigation will determine who took his dad's report and where along the line it fell through the cracks. With both the CIA and the State Department involved, there's no shortage of cronyism and rogue behavior to go around. At the moment, it looks like everyone's going to dog pile on the CIA, rightly or wrongly. I hope that, in the rush to lay blame, no one bearing any responsibility in this matter is allowed to slink away
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CapeCoddah Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:51:30pm |
re: #519 SixDegrees
It does raise the question of why it exists at all if it isn't being used for anything, which appears to be the case.
Why, just the very existence of "The List" is profiling, dontcha know! We can't use that!//
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:51:49pm |
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:51:54pm |
re: #525 RogueOne
True but you can't blame them. They're asked to push the envelope to keep us safe and when they do they're threatened with jail time. Everyone thought it was wonderful when members of the CIA decided on their own to release information on secret holding facilities but now that the shoe is on the other foot they want to cry foul.
Yes, yes you can blame them.
If you know of a potential terrorist and you are in the business of stopping terrorists and you don't do anything to CYA then you can go fuck yourself. Why the hell are they receiving a salary if not to stop terrorists? If you can't do your job because of your issues with the boss then quit but don't lie to us and tell us you're doing your job when you're actually looking the other way.
This line of reasoning is total BS, IMHO.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:52:35pm |
re: #517 SixDegrees
Not that it seems to have done any good, but he certainly deserves praise for doing the right thing. The US embassy ought to dip into their slush fund and drop several large in his pocket.
From what I can tell, he doesn't need it.
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:52:55pm |
re: #527 JasonA
I can't say you're wrong there. It wasn't the same after the first one.
And don't get me started on the Matrix... I really need to get to work :)
My sister gave me the third Matrix movie on DVD for Christmas one year. I couldn't hide the weird look on my face, and she said "I thought you liked the Matrix!"
"Yeah, but this is the worst one!"
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:53:06pm |
re: #518 RogueOne
Yeah, it seems his dad was doing his best to get him taken care of before he got in trouble doing something stupid.
I'm sure he'd rather see him alive than dead.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:54:00pm |
re: #528 SixDegrees
I am hoping a full investigation will determine who took his dad's report and where along the line it fell through the cracks. With both the CIA and the State Department involved, there's no shortage of cronyism and rogue behavior to go around. At the moment, it looks like everyone's going to dog pile on the CIA, rightly or wrongly. I hope that, in the rush to lay blame, no one bearing any responsibility in this matter is allowed to slink away
I've always believed the CIA is inept. Everytime I hear a conspiracy theory on how they've managed to overthrow any variety of governments I get a chuckle. They aren't skilled enough to overthrow the election of my local sheriff. In this case though, I think it goes all the way back to protecting what they believe is "their territory" and in that sense they aren't any worse than any other gov't organization.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:54:10pm |
re: #520 Cineaste
If you're right then they should be fired. They should be protecting the American people. If they knew something and withheld it because they didn't like the comments of the CiC then they can go get fucked. No matter who the CiC is.
Totally agree. The CIA has a long reputation as being a rogue agency that will pursue it's own agenda without regard to national policy. The State Department has a similar reputation, as well, and should not be overlooked, given that the initial contacts were made through the US embassy.
Frankly, both agencies could stand a good purging, even without the matter at hand forcing the issue. If it were up to me, I'd empty the top three floors of both and order them scrubbed with bleach.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:55:14pm |
re: #534 MandyManners
I'm sure he'd rather see him alive than dead.
I guessing there will not be grandchildren.
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osprey34229 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:55:24pm |
# 510
You are right but I tried to make the quote feature work
no luck! Help
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:55:44pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:56:26pm |
re: #538 osprey34229
# 510
You are right but I tried to make the quote feature work
no luck! Help
Click on the "QUOTE" button right next to the "REPLY" button. C'mon. Give it a whirl.
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:56:32pm |
A few things concern me greatly.
The Obama administration came in with the promise to work with the enemies of the U.S., to convince them that we are not a threat to them, and to persuade them to "unclench their fist".
So far I see this as a major fail.
Iran is more determined than ever to get weapons of mass destruction (yes I said it). Terrorist organizations are more determined than ever to cause great harm to innocent Americans and others.
The CIA is in shambles (Thanks Leon). Hillary who? Our allies are questioning our resolve.
We are on track to allow another MAJOR terror attack unless we get our shit together. The Obama administration must take the terror threat seriously - it has existed for many years and did not go away when he was inaugurated.
We are at war.
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:56:45pm |
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Sergeant Major Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:57:07pm |
As the New Year approaches I would like to wish you all a great new year and I hope that the previous year was as good to you as it was too me. I have now officially retired after 22 or so years of active duty service.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:58:02pm |
re: #531 Cineaste
Yes, yes you can blame them.
If you know of a potential terrorist and you are in the business of stopping terrorists and you don't do anything to CYA then you can go fuck yourself. Why the hell are they receiving a salary if not to stop terrorists? If you can't do your job because of your issues with the boss then quit but don't lie to us and tell us you're doing your job when you're actually looking the other way.
This line of reasoning is total BS, IMHO.
A lot of their work is in a very gray area of the law. We all saw what happened with Pelosi and the accusations of lying to congress. I'm not saying we should turn a blind eye to abuses but we can't expect people to stick their lives and careers on the line without at least the understanding that sometimes things happen and the people we ask to do these jobs deserve at least the presumption that they're doing what they can within the law and we'll back them up.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:58:29pm |
I wonder if Dr. Muttallab will be attacked by those who helped his son or are mad that he interfered.
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:59:03pm |
re: #543 Sergeant Major
As the New Year approaches I would like to wish you all a great new year and I hope that the previous year was as good to you as it was too me. I have now officially retired after 22 or so years of active duty service.
Happy New Year to you, too, and thank you for your service to our country.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:59:09pm |
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:59:30pm |
re: #543 Sergeant Major
As the New Year approaches I would like to wish you all a great new year and I hope that the previous year was as good to you as it was too me. I have now officially retired after 22 or so years of active duty service.
Are you sure? I just had a buddy do the same thing and then changed his mind a few weeks later. He knew he was going to miss it way too much to sit back and enjoy his retirement.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:59:46pm |
re: #543 Sergeant Major
As the New Year approaches I would like to wish you all a great new year and I hope that the previous year was as good to you as it was too me. I have now officially retired after 22 or so years of active duty service.
Thank you for your service and may you have a Joyfull retirement!
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:00:06pm |
re: #543 Sergeant Major
As the New Year approaches I would like to wish you all a great new year and I hope that the previous year was as good to you as it was too me. I have now officially retired after 22 or so years of active duty service.
Thank you Sergeant Major.
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:00:10pm |
re: #543 Sergeant Major
As the New Year approaches I would like to wish you all a great new year and I hope that the previous year was as good to you as it was too me. I have now officially retired after 22 or so years of active duty service.
Thank you for your service!
If I could I would buy you a cold one.
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avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:00:17pm |
re: #528 SixDegrees
I am hoping a full investigation will determine who took his dad's report and where along the line it fell through the cracks. With both the CIA and the State Department involved, there's no shortage of cronyism and rogue behavior to go around. At the moment, it looks like everyone's going to dog pile on the CIA, rightly or wrongly. I hope that, in the rush to lay blame, no one bearing any responsibility in this matter is allowed to slink away
I don't think anyone knows the history of the intelligence lapse yet. Fox was talking about info late last year, but the CIA, claims Aug for any info, it was just the "Nigerian" until Nov.
I should wait until it settles out to find out who knew what and when.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:00:52pm |
re: #470 avanti
Yep, the Christmas bomber was reported by his father in Nov of last year, so that's two administrations that should have been informed.
Can we not call this guy the Christmas bomber? How about Underwear Bomber, or Crotch-pot Cooking Bomber?
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:00:57pm |
re: #532 MandyManners
From what I can tell, he doesn't need it.
Well, there's that. Still, it's the thought that counts.
I worry about the old man. Now that the whole world knows he forked over sonny boy, he probably isn't going to live long.
This reminds me of what I thought Bush might have done when we were still looking for bin Laden. I proposed that he get the US Mint to haul truckloads of money to New York and fill every seat in Yankee Stadium with cartons of dollar bills, with Bush standing on the pitcher's mound in front of it all saying, "You give us bin Laden, and all of this is yours, plus American citizenship, no questions asked."
But Binny's long dead, so that'd be a waste of cash.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:01:19pm |
re: #541 Racer X
A few things concern me greatly.
The Obama administration came in with the promise to work with the enemies of the U.S., to convince them that we are not a threat to them, and to persuade them to "unclench their fist".
So far I see this as a major fail.
Iran is more determined than ever to get weapons of mass destruction (yes I said it). Terrorist organizations are more determined than ever to cause great harm to innocent Americans and others.
The CIA is in shambles (Thanks Leon). Hillary who? Our allies are questioning our resolve.
We are on track to allow another MAJOR terror attack unless we get our shit together. The Obama administration must take the terror threat seriously - it has existed for many years and did not go away when he was inaugurated.
We are at war.
Just wait until Putin gets done eating BHO's lunch over the SALT.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:01:25pm |
re: #545 MandyManners
I wonder if Dr. Muttallab will be attacked by those who helped his son or are mad that he interfered.
God, I hope not. That is one problem I have with out press, go with every bitty detail even if it gets someone killed or otherwise destroys lives. They could not care less. That info should never have been released.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:02:34pm |
re: #535 RogueOne
I've always believed the CIA is inept. Everytime I hear a conspiracy theory on how they've managed to overthrow any variety of governments I get a chuckle. They aren't skilled enough to overthrow the election of my local sheriff. In this case though, I think it goes all the way back to protecting what they believe is "their territory" and in that sense they aren't any worse than any other gov't organization.
I was disturbed to read yesterday that the US and Yeman were planning strikes against targets within Yeman Real Soon Now, attributed to "high ranking officials" in the US government. Thanks for spilling the beans.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:02:47pm |
re: #554 SixDegrees
Well, there's that. Still, it's the thought that counts.
I worry about the old man. Now that the whole world knows he forked over sonny boy, he probably isn't going to live long.
This reminds me of what I thought Bush might have done when we were still looking for bin Laden. I proposed that he get the US Mint to haul truckloads of money to New York and fill every seat in Yankee Stadium with cartons of dollar bills, with Bush standing on the pitcher's mound in front of it all saying, "You give us bin Laden, and all of this is yours, plus American citizenship, no questions asked."
But Binny's long dead, so that'd be a waste of cash.
Would he take citizenship here if offered?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:03:42pm |
re: #556 CapeCoddah
God, I hope not. That is one problem I have with out press, go with every bitty detail even if it gets someone killed or otherwise destroys lives. They could not care less. That info should never have been released.
The MFM were bound to report details of this incident.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:04:12pm |
re: #557 SixDegrees
I was disturbed to read yesterday that the US and Yeman were planning strikes against targets within Yeman Real Soon Now, attributed to "high ranking officials" in the US government. Thanks for spilling the beans.
Oooh but, BHO has to be seen doing *something*.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:04:14pm |
re: #553 rwdflynavy
Can we not call this guy the Christmas bomber? How about Underwear Bomber, or Crotch-pot Cooking Bomber?
Local radio has settled on "the Crotch Bomber." Works for me.
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Racer X Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:04:21pm |
re: #557 SixDegrees
I was disturbed to read yesterday that the US and Yeman were planning strikes against targets within Yeman Real Soon Now, attributed to "high ranking officials" in the US government. Thanks for spilling the beans.
I cannot imagine that our State Department and the CIA is this dumb. Tell me it aint so. I would prefer to think they have a strategy - announce a pending raid and see who runs where.
Please tell me they are not this dumb.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:04:37pm |
re: #557 SixDegrees
I was disturbed to read yesterday that the US and Yeman were planning strikes against targets within Yeman Real Soon Now, attributed to "high ranking officials" in the US government. Thanks for spilling the beans.
Well hadn't we conducted a bunch of those strikes in the days just before Christmas? I think those are just a continuation of what was happening before CrotchBomber burnt his sack.
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:04:55pm |
Hey, this is a pretty interesting article about all the infighting in the "Tea Party movement."
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:05:28pm |
re: #558 MandyManners
Would he take citizenship here if offered?
Who knows? Doesn't hurt to make the offer, though, especially when life in the old country will suddenly be a lot less attractive when word gets out who spilled the beans.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:05:42pm |
re: #559 MandyManners
The MFM were bound to report details of this incident.
I know, but, does anyone stop to think that geeze, I could get a good guy killed if I report this detail? Maybe we don't need to say that? They never do. They want that feather in the cap.
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:05:44pm |
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:05:55pm |
re: #561 SixDegrees
Local radio has settled on "the Crotch Bomber." Works for me.
Can't be the crotch bomber, I dated her years ago.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:06:29pm |
re: #562 Racer X
I cannot imagine that our State Department and the CIA is this dumb. Tell me it aint so. I would prefer to think they have a strategy - announce a pending raid and see who runs where.
Please tell me they are not this dumb.
That is certainly a more optimistic interpretation.
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Soap_Man Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:06:35pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:07:27pm |
re: #567 CapeCoddah
I know, but, does anyone stop to think that geeze, I could get a good guy killed if I report this detail? Maybe we don't need to say that? They never do. They want that feather in the cap.
The public would raise holy hell if the MFM were to not tell us what happened.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:07:44pm |
re: #571 Soap_Man
Crude, but I like it. :)
It took years of therapy and a special lotion but I got over it. ;)
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:07:52pm |
re: #563 Cineaste
Well hadn't we conducted a bunch of those strikes in the days just before Christmas? I think those are just a continuation of what was happening before CrotchBomber burnt his sack.
You may be right. I hadn't heard anything about any ongoing activity there. The report said the upcoming attacks were to be retaliatory in nature, which linked them to the plane attack.
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Buck Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:08:03pm |
re: #470 avanti
I am sorry that you missed my point. This is about learning form the first experience. The past administration was NOT in charge for the the past 60 days.
This is twice in as many months that "government has information on a known extremist, and that information is not shared and acted upon as it should have been".
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:08:47pm |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:08:49pm |
re: #507 MandyManners
I wonder if there still are such funny and insightful bits about the Middle East out there.
If we have a choice whether to laugh or cry, let's try to laugh.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:09:09pm |
re: #576 MandyManners
Gotta' git.
Same here, enjoy your evening everyone.
Special high five to the SgtMaj. Congrats man.
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:10:04pm |
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:10:46pm |
re: #574 SixDegrees
You may be right. I hadn't heard anything about any ongoing activity there. The report said the upcoming attacks were to be retaliatory in nature, which linked them to the plane attack.
Yes - there were a series of strikes before Christmas that were coordinated apparently between Yemeni forces and the CIA.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Buck Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:11:18pm |
re: #505 RogueOne
There are plenty of military facilities where they could have sent him. If the president chose he could have immediately classified him as an enemy combatant and had him held in a military brig. They chose to allow him to be held by civilian authorities.
No reason to, and no one has in the past. He can be questioned, has been questioned. We know who sent him, who trained him, and who he aligned himself with.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:11:52pm |
re: #580 Girth
Merkin Muffley.
Best phrase I heard was in a previous thread when discussing providing medical care to him someone asked if we had to give terrorists "bag balm"...
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CapeCoddah Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:12:13pm |
re: #572 MandyManners
The public would raise holy hell if the MFM were to not tell us what happened.
I don't know, I think most would be OK if we were a few details shy here or there that would save an innocent life. There are not an abundance of these stories where someone's life is in jeopardy if all the details are released. It would not hurt a thing to consider such a thing when innocents are in danger.
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:13:54pm |
Story at AFP here is 4 hours old:
CIA rejects charge it failed to share bomb suspect intelligence
...
"We learned of Abdulmutallab in November, when his father came to the US embassy in Nigeria and sought help in finding him. We did not have his name before then," said CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano."Also in November, we worked with the embassy to ensure he was in the government's terrorist database -- including mention of his possible extremist connections in Yemen," the CIA spokesman said.
"We also forwarded key biographical information about him to the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)" Gimigliano said, referring to the government office tasked with compiling and integrating intelligence from various US agencies.
...
To which the NCTC responded:
...
"The suspect's father provided his son's name and passport number to the US embassy in November and that information was shared. He also said his son might have connections to extremists in Yemen -- a fact that was relayed also," said the official, who requested anonymity."I'm not aware of any smoking gun piece of intelligence -- somehow withheld -- that would have automatically put Abdulmutallab on the select or no-fly lists."
...
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:14:18pm |
re: #583 Cineaste
Best phrase I heard was in a previous thread when discussing providing medical care to him someone asked if we had to give terrorists "bag balm"...
That's a real product you know...
www.bagbalm.com
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:14:30pm |
No, no, Lily-don't sit on the keybm,vcxflrkk...
Darn kitty.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:15:44pm |
re: #577 SixDegrees
"The Flaming Dick"?
LOL, we have a bar in Boston named "Dicks Last Resort".
NOT a place to take mom for her birthday!
They put a glass of alka seltzer on the table with a condom stretched over the rim of the glass... very classy!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:15:49pm |
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:16:42pm |
re: #585 Gus 802
Story at AFP here is 4 hours old:
CIA rejects charge it failed to share bomb suspect intelligence
Let the finger-pointing begin.
I have a simple solution to problems like this - fire everyone involved, their supervisors and the supervisors two levels above them. It's not like there's a shortage of people looking for work in this country.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:16:48pm |
re: #585 Gus 802
Story at AFP here is 4 hours old:
CIA rejects charge it failed to share bomb suspect intelligence
How the fuck did Cat Stevens land on the no-fly list but this asshole, whose dad turned him in, didn't because there wasn't enough intelligence?
I'm not saying Cat Stevens (aka Yusuf Islam) is a good guy but I'd rather sit on a plane with him than I would with some disaffected kid from Nigeria whose dad says has been hanging out with Yemeni radicals and might want to attack the US. I'm just saying...
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:16:49pm |
re: #589 CapeCoddah
LOL, we have a bar in Boston named "Dicks Last Resort".
NOT a place to take mom for her birthday!
They put a glass of alka seltzer on the table with a condom stretched over the rim of the glass... very classy!
Here in the Seattle area we have Dick's Drive-In. Great burgers and fries!
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:17:38pm |
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:17:59pm |
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:18:11pm |
re: #592 SixDegrees
Let the finger-pointing begin.
I have a simple solution to problems like this - fire everyone involved, their supervisors and the supervisors two levels above them. It's not like there's a shortage of people looking for work in this country.
Looks like it. Now Dennis Blair is in the act:
U.S. spy chief in spotlight after botched plane attack
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence chief Admiral Dennis Blair faced tough questions about his future on Wednesday as the Obama administration fended off criticism over the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner on December 25...
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:19:49pm |
re: #593 Cineaste
How the fuck did Cat Stevens land on the no-fly list but this asshole, whose dad turned him in, didn't because there wasn't enough intelligence?
I'm not saying Cat Stevens (aka Yusuf Islam) is a good guy but I'd rather sit on a plane with him than I would with some disaffected kid from Nigeria whose dad says has been hanging out with Yemeni radicals and might want to attack the US. I'm just saying...
In my opinion it's the 6 weeks time frame. They're were probably "going to get around to it."
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:19:50pm |
re: #585 Gus 802
That pretty much confirms what I suspected. The information was shared. There are certainly holes in the system but everybody did (more or less) what they were supposed to. Not every informant is honest and we can't round up people based on one tip otherwise every one with a family grudge or business dispute who turn people in to the US for revenge. Also the info coming in November is pretty recent and may not have been enough time to investigate.
| 600 |
Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:20:46pm |
re: #598 Gus 802
In my opinion it's the 6 weeks time frame. They're were probably "going to get around to it."
But he did make it onto the TIDE list. They haven't said they didn't have time, they said they didn't have a reason.
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Cygnus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:22:08pm |
Must be going. A happy New Year's Eve to all and stay safe!
| 602 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:22:16pm |
Anyone remember the "al Qaeda learning to fly" memo? Not everything is actionable intelligence. The world will never be sanitized and made perfectly safe. Real life doesn't have rounded corners.
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bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:22:43pm |
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:22:46pm |
re: #600 Cineaste
But he did make it onto the TIDE list. They haven't said they didn't have time, they said they didn't have a reason.
I don't know. They probably had to confirm it as KT suggests regarding informants. We don't know what their workload is like, etc.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:22:56pm |
re: #597 Gus 802
There's plenty of blame to go around. It appears there were multiple warning signs about this guy, any one of which would have raised eyebrows, and which taken together would have set off serious alarm bells. But it appears that the whole "connect the dots" thing we were supposed to get out of DHS isn't working even a little bit.
I don't think it's unreasonable to see lots of heads rolling after this. Like I said above: just fire them all, and start over. Send a clear message that this bullshit isn't going to be tolerated.
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Cineaste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:23:21pm |
re: #599 Killgore Trout
That pretty much confirms what I suspected. The information was shared. There are certainly holes in the system but everybody did (more or less) what they were supposed to. Not every informant is honest and we can't round up people based on one tip otherwise every one with a family grudge or business dispute who turn people in to the US for revenge. Also the info coming in November is pretty recent and may not have been enough time to investigate.
Granted, but this wasn't some random guy walking in to the embassy. This was the former head of the top bank in Nigeria turning in his own son. That's a big deal. Also, put him on a watch list that means he gets extra questions and scrutiny. There should never be a "if we get around to it" list. If you put him on a list for extra screening when he flies and later it turns out he shouldn't have been on it then the only harm has been some extra time he lost at check-in. If you don't do that then you could lose an airlines and a lot of lives. It doesn't seem that complicated to me.
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:23:35pm |
re: #602 Killgore Trout
Anyone remember the "al Qaeda learning to fly" memo? Not everything is actionable intelligence. The world will never be sanitized and made perfectly safe. Real life doesn't have rounded corners.
What is this? This is all wrong! There are supposed to be no right angles in this house!
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:24:31pm |
re: #506 Cineaste
I'll try to find the Hillary stuff, I was in NY at that time and it made me sick when she said it. It was about 9/11. I gotta log off for now. It is the end of the last month of the year and my manager just told me we gotta bill because the other salesmen have been on vacation for the past month. I'll reply back here when I do find it. Happy New Year!
| 610 |
Kragar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:24:40pm |
re: #607 Girth
What is this? This is all wrong! There are supposed to be no right angles in this house!
Got a problem with the Hounds of Tindalos again?
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:24:47pm |
re: #605 SixDegrees
There's plenty of blame to go around. It appears there were multiple warning signs about this guy, any one of which would have raised eyebrows, and which taken together would have set off serious alarm bells. But it appears that the whole "connect the dots" thing we were supposed to get out of DHS isn't working even a little bit.
I don't think it's unreasonable to see lots of heads rolling after this. Like I said above: just fire them all, and start over. Send a clear message that this bullshit isn't going to be tolerated.
Exactly. It's unfortunate but sometimes the response by agencies isn't to fix the problem but for all involved to cover their asses and shift blame.
| 612 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:25:20pm |
Old news is old, but amusing nevertheless.
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ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:27:20pm |
re: #603 bagua
Bagua's Music Break™
My Pony[Video]
- Genuine
A pony story by Bob Dylan. Great lyrics.
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charlz Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:28:19pm |
re: #470 avanti
Yep, the Christmas bomber was reported by his father in Nov of last year, so that's two administrations that should have been informed.
As I understand it, U.S. authorities were indeed informed, but their procedures prevented the type of a+b=c connection that you're looking for. The father apparently said he was worried that his son was going to do something, but (again apparently) offered no specifics of a threat. That (apparently) is what it takes to get on a no-fly list. If, however, other agencies had additional information that was not offered when the bomber was placed on a general list, that's a process error that the President wants an explanation for.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:28:30pm |
re: #599 Killgore Trout
That pretty much confirms what I suspected. The information was shared. There are certainly holes in the system but everybody did (more or less) what they were supposed to. Not every informant is honest and we can't round up people based on one tip otherwise every one with a family grudge or business dispute who turn people in to the US for revenge. Also the info coming in November is pretty recent and may not have been enough time to investigate.
Janet, is that you?
| 617 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:28:38pm |
re: #611 Gus 802
Exactly. It's unfortunate but sometimes the response by agencies isn't to fix the problem but for all involved to cover their asses and shift blame.
"We have a procedure in place, and our paperwork procedures indicate that the procedure was properly followed. Therefore, we did no wrong."
I suspect that's the attitude we'll find permeating every agency involved.
| 618 |
Slap Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:29:49pm |
Must go. But in case any of you haven't seen this, I just dare you to make it through without choking up a little at least once.
I'm a cat person, according to my cats. But I have no problem with dogs in general. And these dogs are just fine......
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:30:11pm |
re: #602 Killgore Trout
Anyone remember the "al Qaeda learning to fly" memo? Not everything is actionable intelligence. The world will never be sanitized and made perfectly safe. Real life doesn't have rounded corners.
There wouldn't be enough manpower to categorize everything as actionable intelligence. What happened here should be investigated and fixed but intelligence remains a tool regarding the complex scenario regarding airline terrorism. Since there's always the possibility of new players, that is those unknown to intelligence agencies, the primary tool should remain airline and airport security.
| 620 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:30:26pm |
re: #608 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, it is funny, but I don't think that it's the funniest ever. There are some email conversations with Nigerian scammers that are much funnier than that.
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:33:04pm |
re: #617 SixDegrees
"We have a procedure in place, and our paperwork procedures indicate that the procedure was properly followed. Therefore, we did no wrong."
I suspect that's the attitude we'll find permeating every agency involved.
Paperwork, in triplicate.
Maybe they're suffering from email-itis? That is, recently, organization have stopped calling each other over the phone and just email each other regarding their work. I've noticed that it's easy for things to be ignored or taken lightly when it is done by way of email as opposed to getting on the horn.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:34:45pm |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:39:06pm |
re: #622 Gus 802
Paperwork, in triplicate.
Maybe they're suffering from email-itis? That is, recently, organization have stopped calling each other over the phone and just email each other regarding their work. I've noticed that it's easy for things to be ignored or taken lightly when it is done by way of email as opposed to getting on the horn.
And I thought it was Italy that was choking in red tape and bureaucracy. If we whitewash gross bureaucratic incompetence and allow political correctness to paralyze us from taking effective action, then we simply enable more of the same.
| 625 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:39:50pm |
Hi Everyone!
I am windburned and sunburned but caught a lot of fish today. Wassup around here?
Did anyone miss me? Say yes and I will mail you a fish.....ewwww
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:40:49pm |
re: #620 Alouette
Well, it is funny, but I don't think that it's the funniest ever. There are some email conversations with Nigerian scammers that are much funnier than that.
OMG!! The Albert Fred one was AWESOME. He wrote his own code words!!!
You HAVE to use these words or else people will know what we are doing. From now on we are going to use code words for the following:
the phrase "doing business" is now "break dancing" the word "bank account" will now be referred to as "Stephanie" all the following numbers will change:
0 = x
1 = purple
2 = ^^
3 = linebacker
4 = bling bling
5 = "It's nice outside"
6 =
7 = LIAR!
8 = zero
9 = zoro
For exampel... I am ^^linebacker years old. (I am 23 years old).
Please understand, this code is for you and I's protection.
Good stuff.
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charlz Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:42:35pm |
re: #617 SixDegrees
I suspect that's the attitude we'll find permeating every agency involved.
I hate to say it but that's probably the way it works in a world where you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of tips, leads, etc etc etc on suspects whose names are probably spelled a dozen different ways. I'm most interested in whether there are concerted efforts across agencies to share information effectively.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:43:34pm |
re: #625 Blueheron
Hi Everyone!
I am windburned and sunburned but caught a lot of fish today. Wassup around here?
Did anyone miss me? Say yes and I will mail you a fish...ewww
Catch any shark? If so, mail me the fin. I have some Japanese freinds I can make a few bucks off of!
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:44:58pm |
re: #624 Spare O'Lake
And I thought it was Italy that was choking in red tape and bureaucracy. If we whitewash gross bureaucratic incompetence and allow political correctness to paralyze us from taking effective action, then we simply enable more of the same.
The battle against bureaucratic incompetence is one that has been taking place since the dawn of governance. I don't see any quick solutions to that because from my experience even after efforts to streamline it the reverse is usually the case.
| 631 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:46:34pm |
| 632 |
bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:46:58pm |
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:47:35pm |
As an example:
Reconnaissance Assets Undercut By Pentagon Infighting
By Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D.
The U.S. intelligence community faces daunting challenges. Threats have become more elusive. Collection priorities have shifted to languages and cultures that few Americans understand. Security restrictions impede recruitment of personnel. With so many real problems to overcome, you'd think policymakers could learn to suppress the bureaucratic rivalries that create additional, unnecessary difficulties.Well, no such luck.
It turns out that America's national-security system is so driven by its own internal rhythms that dealing with the enemy often takes a back seat to squabbling over who's in charge and where the money gets spent. Nowhere is that more true than in the Pentagon, which accounts for over 80% of all intelligence expenditures.
...
And that's from 2007.
| 634 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:47:55pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:48:04pm |
re: #617 SixDegrees
"We have a procedure in place, and our paperwork procedures indicate that the procedure was properly followed. Therefore, we did no wrong."
I suspect that's the attitude we'll find permeating every agency involved.
In other words
"I did my own performance review at work and found that I am an exemplary employee and have given myself the maximum rating"
| 636 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:48:36pm |
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Randall Gross Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:49:41pm |
Here is more info on the Fox gambit, appears that they are asking a lot, also note that some local Fox owned affiliates will be affected.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
| 638 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:51:18pm |
What is the statute of limitations on "problems inherited from the previous administration"?
| 639 |
Slap Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:52:06pm |
re: #634 oaktree
You don't wanna know why they think a dog pile is a fine idea.
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charlz Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:53:16pm |
re: #637 Thanos
Here is more info on the Fox gambit,
A piece on an NPR business show last night indicated that Murdoch is seeking to make up for the down advertising market and predicted success as he is willing to withstand more pain to get what he wants than most other businessmen.
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Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:53:21pm |
More recent example:
White House steps in to stop intelligence-agency infighting
WASHINGTON - The White House issued a classified order this month to resolve mounting frictions between the nation's intelligence director and the CIA over issues including how the agency conducts covert operations, U.S. officials said.
The White House intervention reflects simmering tension between the two most powerful players in the U.S. intelligence community: Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair and CIA Director Leon Panetta.
The memo signed by National Security Adviser James Jones upholds the CIA's status as the nation's lead spy service on covert missions, rejecting an attempt by Blair to assert more control.
...
| 643 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:53:35pm |
re: #637 Thanos
Here is more info on the Fox gambit, appears that they are asking a lot, also note that some local Fox owned affiliates will be affected.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
The FOX stations in Tampa are going dark or so they say. I have no cable at home so I should get football with my little box I got from the gubment.
| 644 |
Mich-again Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:54:08pm |
We all went to see Avatar this afternoon. What a great movie. Loved it.
| 645 |
jaunte Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:54:21pm |
re: #638 DaddyG
Some people are still complaining about Lincoln.
| 646 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:55:52pm |
re: #638 DaddyG
What is the statute of limitations on "problems inherited from the previous administration"?
Back during the early 90s recession, I read a screed somewhere, blaming it on the Carter administration. That might be the record for passing the buck.
| 647 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:58:03pm |
re: #629 Gus 802
The battle against bureaucratic incompetence is one that has been taking place since the dawn of governance. I don't see any quick solutions to that because from my experience even after efforts to streamline it the reverse is usually the case.
You are probably right, but just for the heck of it why doesn't Obama fire Napolitano's sorry ass and then send a non-pol military type in there and clean out some of the dead wood? Oh, and while he's at it, why doesn't he try calling the Islamofascist terrorist threat by its real name, instead of tiptoeing through the tulips with this "isolated extremist" bullshit?
Both steps are crucial, IMO.
| 648 |
SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:00:16pm |
re: #645 jaunte
Some people are still complaining about Lincoln.
Lincoln?!?!? Let me tell ya, if it wasn't for that SOB Myles Standish....
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SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:01:37pm |
re: #647 Spare O'Lake
You are probably right, but just for the heck of it why doesn't Obama fire Napolitano's sorry ass and then send a non-pol military type in there and clean out some of the dead wood? Oh, and while he's at it, why doesn't he try calling the Islamofascist terrorist threat by its real name, instead of tiptoeing through the tulips with this "isolated extremist" bullshit?
*Laughs uproariously*
| 650 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:03:43pm |
re: #647 Spare O'Lake
You are probably right, but just for the heck of it why doesn't Obama fire Napolitano's sorry ass and then send a non-pol military type in there and clean out some of the dead wood? Oh, and while he's at it, why doesn't he try calling the Islamofascist terrorist threat by its real name, instead of tiptoeing through the tulips with this "isolated extremist" bullshit?
Both steps are crucial, IMO.
I think DHS was a mistake from the very beginning. All it did was add another layer of bureaucracy on top of what already existed, and it has obviously done nothing to reduce inter-agency squabbling and information hoarding.
A better approach would have been to eliminate several agencies by merging them into one, focusing on those that duplicate each other's efforts. It would have been a bigger headache, but in the end we would have a leaner, more efficient intelligence service that was focused on doing it's job rather than defending it's turf against incursions by other departments.
The opportunity to do so, sadly, has passed.
| 651 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:03:49pm |
Still can't believe I'm paying money to watch TV...
In the mid-1940s, Moss Hart was president of the New York Dramatists Guild. One afternoon he called together the guild's foremost members to discuss demands and standards for writers in the new medium of TV.
Many viewed the meeting as a joke. One veteran Broadway playwright described what he had seen already on TV as "amateurs playing at home movies."
Hart insisted the members address the problem at hand. "The time will come when stations will be telecasting twelve, perhaps fourteen hours a day," he told them.
A colleague interrupted, "I won't write for television, and I don't know anyone else who will."
Hart pushed on. "The day is coming when a two-hour play will be seen once by millions of people. The network will be looking for writers to supply them with thirty-six full plays--or seventy-two hour long plays--each week."
The silence was deafening. Finally, the oldest writer in the guild slowly raised his hand.
"Where was it ever decreed that man had to have so much entertainment?"
-- Michael Ritchie, _Please Stand By: A prehistory of television_, 1994
| 652 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:04:21pm |
re: #644 Mich-again
We all went to see Avatar this afternoon. What a great movie. Loved it.
We went Saturday. Really enjoyed it.
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Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:04:21pm |
re: #647 Spare O'Lake
You are probably right, but just for the heck of it why doesn't Obama fire Napolitano's sorry ass and then send a non-pol military type in there and clean out some of the dead wood? Oh, and while he's at it, why doesn't he try calling the Islamofascist terrorist threat by its real name, instead of tiptoeing through the tulips with this "isolated extremist" bullshit?
Both steps are crucial, IMO.
WTF does it matter what he calls them as long as he's hitting them with missiles when we find them? Which he is. Labels are not crucial to anything.
| 654 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:05:31pm |
re: #629 Gus 802
The battle against bureaucratic incompetence is one that has been taking place since the dawn of governance. I don't see any quick solutions to that because from my experience even after efforts to streamline it the reverse is usually the case.
Witness Porter Goss' failure to turn CIA around--and I don't think they're even unionized.
| 655 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:06:32pm |
re: #650 SixDegrees
and it has obviously done nothing to reduce inter-agency squabbling and information hoarding
and that was supposed to be JOB 1!
((and these are the people that are writing a 2,000 page health care bill!?!?!?!))
| 656 |
Buck Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:07:35pm |
re: #644 Mich-again
We all went to see Avatar this afternoon. What a great movie. Loved it.
I loved it as well, in 3D. However I would have liked it better if they had a different bad guy. The military and capitalist enemy has been way over used, and shows zero imagination.
Basically the story is Pocahontas, with the twist at the end.
| 657 |
Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:10:54pm |
re: #647 Spare O'Lake
You are probably right, but just for the heck of it why doesn't Obama fire Napolitano's sorry ass and then send a non-pol military type in there and clean out some of the dead wood? Oh, and while he's at it, why doesn't he try calling the Islamofascist terrorist threat by its real name, instead of tiptoeing through the tulips with this "isolated extremist" bullshit?
Both steps are crucial, IMO.
Replacing Napolitano could be looked into but there would be a lot resistance. I doubt that the administration would consider such a move at this time. When Obama used the phrase "isolated extremist" in his statement it stood in opposition to the rest of his speech which defined the terrorist threat in the plural including specifying several nations. As for identifying them as Islamo-fascists I find it impossible to think that Obama would use such a term given his nature. The former president used the term but more specifically he used Islamo-fascism. From the archives:
The tragic images of innocent victims can make it seem like these terrorist attacks are random and isolated acts of madness. While these killers choose their victims indiscriminately, their attacks flow from an ideology and a terrifying vision for the world. Their acts are evil, but they're not insane. Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism. Whatever we choose to call this enemy, we must recognize that this ideology is very different from the tenets of the great religion of Islam. This form of radicalism exploits Islam to serve a violent, political vision: the establishment -- by terrorism, subversion, and insurgency -- of a totalitarian empire that denies all political and religious freedom.
| 658 |
Buck Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:11:37pm |
re: #651 The Sanity Inspector
I had a real life moment like that early in my career. We were offered a few 1-900 numbers early, before almost anyone else. We were told we could place tiny ads in newspapers across the USA to call in for a recorded message like horoscopes or tips...
I passed, and laughed that it would never catch on. Of course no one said we could get live women to talk dirty for $20 an hour...
| 659 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:14:03pm |
I was in on the creation early and given a choice between having multiple orgasms and the ability to pee my name in the snow...
...crap.
| 660 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:14:22pm |
re: #658 Buck
I had a real life moment like that early in my career. We were offered a few 1-900 numbers early, before almost anyone else. We were told we could place tiny ads in newspapers across the USA to call in for a recorded message like horoscopes or tips...
I passed, and laughed that it would never catch on. Of course no one said we could get live women to talk dirty for $20 an hour MINUTE...
ftfy ,,, (not that I would have any way of knowing, mind you!)
| 661 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:15:16pm |
re: #656 Buck
I loved it as well, in 3D. However I would have liked it better if they had a different bad guy. The military and capitalist enemy has been way over used, and shows zero imagination.
Basically the story is Pocahontas, with the twist at the end.
It's a Cameron thing. Aliens, T2, hell even Titanic, very anti-corporate. This is his first movie in more than a decade and I didn't really expect the man to change all that much. In fact, I was counting on it :)
| 662 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:15:35pm |
re: #658 Buck
I had a real life moment like that early in my career. We were offered a few 1-900 numbers early, before almost anyone else. We were told we could place tiny ads in newspapers across the USA to call in for a recorded message like horoscopes or tips...
I passed, and laughed that it would never catch on. Of course no one said we could get live women to talk dirty for $20
an houra minute...
ftfME!
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Buck Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:16:19pm |
re: #660 sattv4u2
ftfy ,,, (not that I would have any way of knowing, mind you!)
Right, thanks.
I just know I could have been your Psychic Friend.
| 664 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:17:53pm |
re: #661 JasonA
It's a Cameron thing. Aliens, T2, hell even Titanic, very anti-corporate. This is his first movie in more than a decade and I didn't really expect the man to change all that much. In fact, I was counting on it :)
Perhaps it was just me but the commercial showing the blue heroine raising her hand and grunting "you should not be here" like an Indian from F troop cracked me up.
| 665 |
blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:19:25pm |
re: #628 sattv4u2
Catch any shark? If so, mail me the fin. I have some Japanese freinds I can make a few bucks off of!
Actually I did but he chewed through the line and took off with my rig.
(note to self Satty4u2 wants a shark mailed to him).
| 667 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:20:30pm |
re: #663 Buck
Right, thanks.
I just know I could have been your Psychic Friend.
Is that you, Ms Cleo?
| 668 |
blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:21:18pm |
re: #638 DaddyG
What is the statute of limitations on "problems inherited from the previous administration"?
Beats me Daddy G. Someone ought to make a law:))
| 669 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:22:18pm |
| 670 |
Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:22:26pm |
The Psychic Friends Network went bankrupt.
How did they not see that coming?
| 671 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:22:42pm |
re: #668 blueheron
Beats me Daddy G. Someone ought to make a law:))
the voters say the statute of limitations is two years.
| 672 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:23:37pm |
| 673 |
SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:23:55pm |
New TSA Guideline: ALL Suspected Terrorists will be forced to eat a meal at an airport food vendor!
USA Today’s Alison Young reviewed inspection reports for hundreds of restaurants at 10 airports and found a large number of critical violations, including 42 percent of the restaurants reviewed at Seattle-Tacoma and 77 percent of restaurants reviewed at Reagan National Airport.
| 674 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:24:58pm |
re: #666 _RememberTonyC
what's up honcos?
Not much
Whats up yours !?!?!
(ummm,, wait ,, that doesn't sound right !)
| 675 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:26:01pm |
re: #673 SteveC
New TSA Guideline: ALL Suspected Terrorists will be forced to eat a meal at an airport food vendor!
if they're forced to eat at Bradley Airport in Hartford, CT, I think it could be a violation of the Geneva Convention.
| 676 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:27:19pm |
re: #674 sattv4u2
Not much
Whats up yours !?!?!(ummm,, wait ,, that doesn't sound right !)
let me check ...
no expolsives in "mine"
| 677 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:27:57pm |
| 678 |
blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:28:25pm |
re: #671 _RememberTonyC
the voters say the statute of limitations is two years.
Oh I sooo hope you are right. One year down and one more coming....
| 679 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:28:57pm |
| 680 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:29:33pm |
re: #673 SteveC
New TSA Guideline: ALL Suspected Terrorists will be forced to eat a meal at an airport food vendor!
The Food Network did a segment of a show in the kitchen area of an airport restaurant. All knives are fastened to counter bases with a short, cut-resistant stainless steel cable so they can't be carried off anywhere. The cable is barely long enough to allow coverage of a moderate size cutting board. A real pain in the ass in a busy kitchen, but I guess it's necessary.
| 681 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:31:01pm |
VDH:
I think candidate Obama had the wrong narrative. Many presidents do. Bush railed against nation-building and decided he would do just that. Reagan raised not lowered deficits. Clinton ended up being a moderate after 1995. But rarely has a candidate’s entire world view been so abruptly refuted in the first year of a presidency.
As president, Obama suddenly found himself a stranger in a strange land, far from that of the Ivy League dean, the upscale liberal suburbanite, the radical chic, hip world of Chicago yuppies, and the brooding, shrill pulpit of Rev. Wright. The result is that his fantasies are out of place in the all too real world of the White House.
When he started his campaign in 2007 the U.S. economy was still strong, and he felt his redistributive agenda would merely need to skim off a few trillions from the wannabe rich.
There was plenty of money socked away; we could “share the wealth” and “they” could “pay their fair share” in “patriotic” fashion to ensure “redistributive change.” But when the recession hit, the money dried up, and there was no “they” any longer.
| 682 |
SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:32:23pm |
His smashed finger wrapped in bandages, Len Balon walked into an emergency room and eyed the flat-screen monitor broadcasting live wait times for Scottsdale Healthcare's area hospitals. Osborn Hospital, where he was standing: two hours and 55 minutes. Thompson Peak hospital, a short distance away: four minutes.
| 683 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:32:28pm |
| 684 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:32:31pm |
re: #681 The Sanity Inspector
VDH is the man ... Nobody shoots straighter than he
| 685 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:32:42pm |
re: #680 SixDegrees
The Food Network did a segment of a show in the kitchen area of an airport restaurant. All knives are fastened to counter bases with a short, cut-resistant stainless steel cable so they can't be carried off anywhere. The cable is barely long enough to allow coverage of a moderate size cutting board. A real pain in the ass in a busy kitchen, but I guess it's necessary.
What about the measuring spoons? You can do all kinds of damage with one of those. Oh, and the meat mallets and rolling pins, too!
| 686 |
solomonpanting Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:33:17pm |
The House Judiciary Committee says retired boxing champion Thomas Hearns, former NFL players Ted Johnson, Kyle Turley and Bernie Parrish, and the Rev. Al Sharpton are among witnesses who will appear at next week's hearing on head injuries in football.
This all makes sense. We have here a boxer who took numerous punches, ex-players who actually played the game and someone whose mental and moral state shows that there are far worse conditions than head concussions if one happens to be a spotlight-seeking, self-serving, murder and violence inciting race pimp.
| 687 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:35:52pm |
re: #653 Girth
WTF does it matter what he calls them as long as he's hitting them with missiles when we find them? Which he is. Labels are not crucial to anything.
Who is he targeting - only Al Qaeda or the entire Islamofascist terror infrastructure? Bombing Al Qaeda is fine, but will ultimately be ineffective unless Islamofascism itself is defeated.
Words have meaning and truth trumps political correctness.
Leftist America is in denial concerning the fact that it is in an existential struggle with radical Islam. That denial has prevented and continues to prevent effective intelligence-gathering and pre-emptive action.
We have plenty of deniers right here on LGF.
| 688 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:37:41pm |
re: #686 solomonpanting
This all makes sense. We have here a boxer who took numerous punches, ex-players who actually played the game and someone whose mental and moral state shows that there are far worse conditions than head concussions if one happens to be a spotlight-seeking, self-serving, murder and violence inciting race pimp.
updinged for the sharpton bash. he is loathsome in the extreme.
| 689 |
blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:38:18pm |
re: #685 MandyManners
What about the measuring spoons? You can do all kinds of damage with one of those. Oh, and the meat mallets and rolling pins, too!
A #10 pencil can be lethal.
| 690 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:38:36pm |
re: #686 solomonpanting
This all makes sense. We have here a boxer who took numerous punches, ex-players who actually played the game and someone whose mental and moral state shows that there are far worse conditions than head concussions if one happens to be a spotlight-seeking, self-serving, murder and violence inciting race pimp.
Why in the world are our elected representatives wasting their time on this issue?
| 691 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:39:42pm |
| 692 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:39:58pm |
re: #687 Spare O'Lake
We have plenty of deniers right here on LGF.
When did this turn into a global warming thread? /
| 693 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:40:39pm |
re: #687 Spare O'Lake
Who is he targeting - only Al Qaeda or the entire Islamofascist terror infrastructure? Bombing Al Qaeda is fine, but will ultimately be ineffective unless Islamofascism itself is defeated.
Words have meaning and truth trumps political correctness.
Leftist America is in denial concerning the fact that it is in an existential struggle with radical Islam. That denial has prevented and continues to prevent effective intelligence-gathering and pre-emptive action.
We have plenty of deniers right here on LGF.
You know you're over the target when you're taking flak.
| 694 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:41:14pm |
re: #690 MandyManners
Why in the world are our elected representatives wasting their time on this issue?
the NFL has recently gotten more involved in this issue, as it should. but pro athletes choose this field voluntarily, so the govt involvement seems a bit odd.
| 695 |
blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:41:24pm |
| 696 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:41:32pm |
re: #693 MandyManners
You know you're over the target when you're taking flak.
...or if your underwear bursts into flames.
| 697 |
acwgusa Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:42:05pm |
re: #690 MandyManners
Why in the world are our elected representatives wasting their time on this issue?
Because they are wholly unqualified to make any real decisions on serious issues?
| 698 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:44:27pm |
looks like we have an al sharpton lover who is lurking. why don't you come out and defend him instead of being a chickenshit?
| 700 |
solomonpanting Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:45:37pm |
re: #688 _RememberTonyC
updinged for the sharpton bash. he is loathsome in the extreme.
Not the loathsome dove, eh?
re: #690 MandyManners
Why in the world are our elected representatives wasting their time on this issue?
Petty issues relating to the economy, health, war and college football's playoff system have been dealt with.
| 701 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:45:43pm |
| 702 |
Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:46:19pm |
re: #687 Spare O'Lake
Who is he targeting - only Al Qaeda or the entire Islamofascist terror infrastructure? Bombing Al Qaeda is fine, but will ultimately be ineffective unless Islamofascism itself is defeated.
Words have meaning and truth trumps political correctness.
Leftist America is in denial concerning the fact that it is in an existential struggle with radical Islam. That denial has prevented and continues to prevent effective intelligence-gathering and pre-emptive action.
We have plenty of deniers right here on LGF.
I don't see many people denying the threat, only disagreeing on how best to deal with it.
| 703 |
SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:46:32pm |
re: #698 _RememberTonyC
looks like we have an al sharpton lover who is lurking. why don't you come out and defend him instead of being a chickenshit?
Hero worship.
| 704 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:47:28pm |
re: #701 MandyManners
Eat your spinach and you can reach my number.
My job and family really eat into my online time. ;-)
| 705 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:48:11pm |
| 706 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:49:03pm |
Hola Honcos! What's new?
*waves*
| 707 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:49:20pm |
re: #701 MandyManners
Eat your spinach and you can reach my number.
Dang Mandy you got me by 100000. I am humbled by your prowess!
| 708 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:49:35pm |
A nice article from HuffPo about CodePink in Gaza.
Not kidding!
| 709 |
ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:49:42pm |
"Gattica" is being shown (in French) on French tv.
I've seen it in English, but it's worth seeing again even in French.
bbl.
| 710 |
_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:49:50pm |
| 711 |
SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:50:00pm |
re: #706 Floral Giraffe
Hola Honcos! What's new?
*waves*
Same play, different cast of characters, FG!
| 712 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:50:27pm |
re: #704 DaddyG
My job and family really eat into my online time. ;-)
My family is my job. I never get a break.
| 713 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:50:43pm |
BBL - time to catch the bus. The Peach is poised outside my window for the Atlanta Underground Peach Drop so have a happy new year!
| 714 |
Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:50:58pm |
| 715 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:51:00pm |
re: #710 _RememberTonyC
Drizzling the rain here. Enough to make you wet, but not enough to measure. We could use the rain.
How're you?
| 717 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:51:27pm |
re: #708 SanFranciscoZionist
A nice article from HuffPo about CodePink in Gaza.
Not kidding!
Galloway's trying to get there, too.
| 718 |
DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:51:30pm |
| 720 |
Gus Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:53:11pm |
re: #708 SanFranciscoZionist
A nice article from HuffPo about CodePink in Gaza.
Not kidding!
It is. Surprised to not see more exploding heads in the comments. ;)
| 721 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:53:26pm |
re: #690 MandyManners
Why in the world are our elected representatives wasting their time on this issue?
They get to meet some sports stars. And Al.
| 722 |
SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:53:33pm |
re: #719 _RememberTonyC
time to go ... dinner beckons
Same here.
*kisses Floral G gently on the cheek so she doesn't think she's driving all the men off!*
| 723 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:53:38pm |
re: #714 HoosierHoops
HH!
Did you find a good movie to watch?
| 724 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:54:06pm |
re: #708 SanFranciscoZionist
A nice article from HuffPo about CodePink in Gaza.
Not kidding!
Could that be the same Medea Benjamin who was on a panel wih FCC Diversity Officer Mark Lloyd at the National Conference for Media Reform in June, 2008?
| 725 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:54:39pm |
| 726 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:54:49pm |
re: #722 SteveC
Shift change, huh?
HH is still here!
| 727 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:54:55pm |
| 728 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:54:58pm |
re: #694 _RememberTonyC
the NFL has recently gotten more involved in this issue, as it should. but pro athletes choose this field voluntarily, so the govt involvement seems a bit odd.
Hope this hasn't been brought up. There are less head injuries in Aussie Rules football. I've heard that the helmets make American Footballs players a little too reckless.
| 729 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:55:25pm |
re: #721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They get to meet some sports stars. And Al.
They can buy tickets to the games like the rest of us.
| 730 |
Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:55:44pm |
re: #723 Floral Giraffe
HH!
Did you find a good movie to watch?
I'm near the end of Schindler's list...
| 731 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:57:07pm |
Meanwhile, Alice Walker (I could not make this stuff up) is writing an open letter to Tiger Woods from Cairo. On her blog. I swear.
| 732 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:57:19pm |
| 733 |
solomonpanting Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:58:54pm |
re: #731 SanFranciscoZionist
Meanwhile, Alice Walker (I could not make this stuff up) is writing an open letter to Tiger Woods from Cairo. On her blog. I swear.
Can't she wait in line with all the other women?
| 734 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:00:06pm |
re: #733 solomonpanting
Can't she wait in line with all the other women?
Oh, dear me. That is funny.
| 735 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:00:18pm |
re: #116 Cineaste
It looks like the White House has done exactly that in their response to Cheney:
To put it simply: this President is not interested in bellicose rhetoric, he is focused on action. Seven years of bellicose rhetoric failed to reduce the threat from al Qaeda and succeeded in dividing this country. And it seems strangely off-key now, at a time when our country is under attack, for the architect of those policies to be attacking the President.
And the "Oh Snap" closing line:
There are numerous other such public statements that explicitly state we are at war. The difference is this: President Obama doesn’t need to beat his chest to prove it, and – unlike the last Administration – we are not at war with a tactic (“terrorism”), we at war with something that is tangible: al Qaeda and its violent extremist allies. And we will prosecute that war as long as the American people are endangered.
| 736 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:00:21pm |
re: #730 HoosierHoops
Never saw it. Saw the clip of the little girl in the red coat... broke my heart, decided I'd be okay if I never had my heart broken like that again.
| 737 |
What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:01:07pm |
re: #708 SanFranciscoZionist
A nice article from HuffPo about CodePink in Gaza.
Not kidding!
Great article!
It's one thing when Code Pink does that shit here, but doing it over there is worse. I didn't know they went traipsing around the M.E. Goodness knows who else they're hanging around with. "Are they for Hamas?" (Well duh). Just like the ISM and Starhawk.
| 738 |
solomonpanting Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:02:03pm |
re: #734 MandyManners
Oh, dear me. That is funny.
Well, SanFranciscoZionist left one hanging over the plate and I couldn't help but swing.
| 739 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:02:16pm |
re: #702 Girth
I don't see many people denying the threat, only disagreeing on how best to deal with it.
You say you don't see "many".
That is an admission that you see at least "some".
And "some" is certainly "plenty", IMO.
So thanks for agreeing with me.
| 740 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:02:46pm |
re: #685 MandyManners
What about the measuring spoons? You can do all kinds of damage with one of those. Oh, and the meat mallets and rolling pins, too!
All of that stuff is secured in similar fashion. Working in such a kitchen looked like a nightmare.
| 741 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:03:24pm |
re: #708 SanFranciscoZionist
A nice article from HuffPo about CodePink in Gaza.
Not kidding!
| 742 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:04:04pm |
re: #733 solomonpanting
Can't she wait in line with all the other women?
Maybe she wants to play the thirteenth hole.
| 743 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:05:03pm |
re: #742 Spare O'Lake
I think there's 14 purported "ladies" so far....
| 744 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:05:22pm |
re: #740 SixDegrees
All of that stuff is secured in similar fashion. Working in such a kitchen looked like a nightmare.
I can't even imagine! How did they keep things clean?
| 745 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:05:39pm |
re: #735 RadicalModerate
It looks like the White House has done exactly that in their response to Cheney:
Did the White house end with a superior toss of their head and a condesending sniff? Because that is exactly what that piece sounds like.
| 746 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:06:15pm |
re: #744 MandyManners
I can't even imagine! How did they keep things clean?
I was wondering the same thing. They didn't show that part.
| 747 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:06:18pm |
| 748 |
solomonpanting Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:06:37pm |
| 749 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:07:14pm |
re: #743 Floral Giraffe
I think there's 14 purported "ladies" so far...
Oh, sorry...well then I guess she'd be playing the wrong hole.
| 750 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:07:38pm |
It will be so much fun, I said to myself.
Let's just go ahead and have Santa bring the boys Lazertag guns.
Four. One for everyone, even the baby*.
They can play with the boys next door.
Santa brought the boys next door guns, too.
Six boys, six guns.
Anybody have earplugs?
*He's four. He's still "my baby."
| 751 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:08:28pm |
| 752 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:09:09pm |
re: #750 EmmmieG
It will be so much fun, I said to myself.
Let's just go ahead and have Santa bring the boys Lazertag guns.
Four. One for everyone, even the baby*.
They can play with the boys next door.
Santa brought the boys next door guns, too.
Six boys, six guns.
Anybody have earplugs?
*He's four. He's still "my baby."
Good bourbon helps, too.
| 753 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:09:19pm |
re: #750 EmmmieG
Passes EmmieG the aspirin bottle.
No, really, keep the whole bottle!
| 754 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:09:24pm |
re: #737 marjoriemoon
Great article!
It's one thing when Code Pink does that shit here, but doing it over there is worse. I didn't know they went traipsing around the M.E. Goodness knows who else they're hanging around with. "Are they for Hamas?" (Well duh). Just like the ISM and Starhawk.
Here's another Code Pink attention queen. She claims to be a "Holocaust Survivor" but it turns out she spent all of WW2 in the UK. Elder of Ziyon quotes from an interview she gave:
“I’ve been involved with the Israeli-Palestinian problem for many years. It probably goes back to my childhood, because I born in Germany and my parents were anti-Zionists,” she said.
“When Hitler came to power in 1933 I was 8 years old, and my parents very quickly realized that Germany is not a place to raise a family. So they tried to leave to go anywhere in the world, but there was one place they were not willing to go, and that was Palestine.”
I don't know what gives "Holocaust Survivors" more credibility on anything other than their personal own experiences which may or may not have been horrific. "Jews for Jesus" had a campaign several years ago featuring "Holocaust Survivors" who found Jesus.
| 755 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:10:15pm |
re: #744 MandyManners
I can't even imagine! How did they keep things clean?
Who says they kept things clean?
| 757 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:11:02pm |
re: #736 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Never saw it. Saw the clip of the little girl in the red coat... broke my heart, decided I'd be okay if I never had my heart broken like that again.
I agree that tore me up. The little thing with her precious plump baby fingers on her tiny hands squiggling under a bed to hide while SS break down her family's apartment door. You wonder through most of the movie about that sweety and then you learn what happened to her. So sad :(
| 758 |
tradewind Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:11:59pm |
Even a stopped clock/blind pig.......
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
The money quote:
If we can’t catch a Nigerian with a powerful explosive powder in his oddly feminine-looking underpants and a syringe full of acid, a man whose own father had alerted the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria, a traveler whose ticket was paid for in cash and who didn’t check bags, whose visa renewal had been denied by the British, who had studied Arabic in Al Qaeda sanctuary Yemen, whose name was on a counterterrorism watch list, who can we catch?
| 759 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:14:02pm |
| 760 |
Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:16:08pm |
re: #739 Spare O'Lake
You say you don't see "many".
That is an admission that you see at least "some".
And "some" is certainly "plenty", IMO.
So thanks for agreeing with me.
Some people believe a lot of stupid shit. What's your point?
| 761 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:17:03pm |
| 762 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:19:09pm |
| 763 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:19:10pm |
re: #737 marjoriemoon
Great article!
It's one thing when Code Pink does that shit here, but doing it over there is worse. I didn't know they went traipsing around the M.E. Goodness knows who else they're hanging around with. "Are they for Hamas?" (Well duh). Just like the ISM and Starhawk.
They went to Cairo for Obama's big speech there, but they mostly just stood around with signs then.
Yeah. They're for Hamas. Do I even want to know about Starhawk?
| 764 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:19:17pm |
Obama increases security: conservatives freak out......
Just What Did President Obama's Executive Order regarding INTERPOL Do?
So what does the counterterrorism official from the Bush years think of this?
He can't believe it's taken this long.
"To the extent that granting these immunities to INTERPOL furthers the efficacy or ease of information-sharing or joint action on an expedited basis to act on warrants seems like a no brainer to me," the official says.
"Conservatives can't have it both ways," the official says. "You can't be complaining about the hypothetical abdication of US jurisdiction at the same time you're complaining the Obama administration is not being tough enough on national security."
Hey, maybe it's time to start ignoring stories from Alex Jones, eh?
| 765 |
WaveriderCA Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:19:51pm |
[Link: www.hawaiifreepress.com...]
I thought this was an interesting article I nabbed from the drudge report. I'm not Palin's biggest fan but I do think that there is a serious juxtaposition about how people who are in government that possess power are there forever and how they use the government's resources for their own personal benefit even when they have millions of dollars themselves. They feel fine spending all our money giving it away to other politicians so they can go home and say oh hey look what I got, but when it comes to spending their own money on their personal crap well they just can't do that.
I don't see things getting any better either because even though Palin is not the best candidate I think she serves as an example for anyone who would like to do anything remotely viewed as different or bucking the system. I mean lets be honest here why would anyone want to go into politics to have their lives destroyed permanently.
| 766 |
SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:20:27pm |
re: #751 MandyManners
Clorox wipes?
I can't imagine that meeting sanitation standards. I'm guessing there's one guy with a key who can collect all the odds and ends, bolt them into the dishwasher and then reinstall them. Or something like that.
In other words, a weak point in the system.
| 767 |
solomonpanting Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:21:16pm |
re: #758 tradewind
Even a stopped clock/blind pig...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
The money quote:
If we can’t catch a Nigerian with a powerful explosive powder in his oddly feminine-looking underpants and a syringe full of acid, a man whose own father had alerted the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria, a traveler whose ticket was paid for in cash and who didn’t check bags, whose visa renewal had been denied by the British, who had studied Arabic in Al Qaeda sanctuary Yemen, whose name was on a counterterrorism watch list, who can we catch?
One would have thought that the walls between government agencies would have come down post 9/11.
| 768 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:22:03pm |
re: #765 WaveriderCA
[Link: www.hawaiifreepress.com...]
I thought this was an interesting article I nabbed from the drudge report. I'm not Palin's biggest fan but I do think that there is a serious juxtaposition about how people who are in government that possess power are there forever and how they use the government's resources for their own personal benefit even when they have millions of dollars themselves. They feel fine spending all our money giving it away to other politicians so they can go home and say oh hey look what I got, but when it comes to spending their own money on their personal crap well they just can't do that.I don't see things getting any better either because even though Palin is not the best candidate I think she serves as an example for anyone who would like to do anything remotely viewed as different or bucking the system. I mean lets be honest here why would anyone want to go into politics to have their lives destroyed permanently.
The link didn't work.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:23:33pm |
re: #757 Blueheron
That was the part that I saw... the later part... like I said... was just a clip.
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WaveriderCA Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:24:03pm |
re: #768 Blueheron
I tried clicking even from your post and it works. Not sure why anyways if you can't it's on the drudge report.
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:25:37pm |
re: #754 Alouette
Wow.
It's hard for me to express this because it may come out all wrong, but I do consider her a survivor, but a different kind of survivor. Being torn from your family at a young age to schools or relatives in another country is pretty traumatic. And then finding out your parents and siblings were all murdered adds another painful dimension. This was my grandparents experience too and my grandmother never became a "whole person" because of it. She was a bitter woman. I do consider her a survivor.
Of course saying you're a Holocaust survivor publicly, particularly at her age, conjures up one kind of thing and if that wasn't her direct experience, she should clarify.
To be anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian after what she went through is a shocker.
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Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:25:57pm |
re: #770 WaveriderCA
I tried clicking even from your post and it works. Not sure why anyways if you can't it's on the drudge report.
Ok Thanks .
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webevintage Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:27:18pm |
re: #735 RadicalModerate
It looks like the White House has done exactly that in their response to Cheney:
There are numerous other such public statements that explicitly state we are at war. The difference is this: President Obama doesn’t need to beat his chest to prove it, and – unlike the last Administration – we are not at war with a tactic (“terrorism”), we at war with something that is tangible: al Qaeda and its violent extremist allies. And we will prosecute that war as long as the American people are endangered.
Oh snap indeed.
Will Dick now slink back to his cave or will we see he and Liz all over the Sunday shows this weekend?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:28:43pm |
re: #771 marjoriemoon
Wow.
It's hard for me to express this because it may come out all wrong, but I do consider her a survivor, but a different kind of survivor. Being torn from your family at a young age to schools or relatives in another country is pretty traumatic. And then finding out your parents and siblings were all murdered adds another painful dimension. This was my grandparents experience too and my grandmother never became a "whole person" because of it. She was a bitter woman. I do consider her a survivor.
Of course saying you're a Holocaust survivor publicly, particularly at her age, conjures up one kind of thing and if that wasn't her direct experience, she should clarify.
To be anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian after what she went through is a shocker.
Hedy Epstein (the woman we're talking about) has been with Code Pink for some time. I have no idea what's going on inside her head.
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prairiefire Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:30:33pm |
re: #730 HoosierHoops
I thought of a sports movie for you. Have you seen the Rookie with Dennis Quaid?
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Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:32:29pm |
re: #770 WaveriderCA
I tried clicking even from your post and it works. Not sure why anyways if you can't it's on the drudge report.
I just tried another link at Drudge and couldn't get it either. The service is unavailable it says. Must be ticked off at my IP or something. I will try it later.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:33:42pm |
re: #774 SanFranciscoZionist
Code pink = Not firing all the cylinders.
It's kind of a definition.
(I actually have older, liberal, female relatives, so I know you can be 60, liberal, and female without being nuts.)
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:34:41pm |
re: #774 SanFranciscoZionist
Hedy Epstein (the woman we're talking about) has been with Code Pink for some time. I have no idea what's going on inside her head.
I was just reading about her. Unbelievable.
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tradewind Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:40:42pm |
re: #767 solomonpanting
When the problem is addressed as a cultural and sociological aberration rather than as the full-out assault on our very way of life that it is, the results are predictable.
If the administration was even that concerned, why did Obama take six days to talk to the nation, and then, not even face to face? Bush caught hell just for finishing a chapter in the book he was reading to first graders.
After the uproar, he had to talk tough, but the terrorists are not fooled. We are not serious enough about this, and they know it.
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solomonpanting Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:45:47pm |
re: #779 tradewind
When the problem is addressed as a cultural and sociological aberration rather than as the full-out assault on our very way of life that it is, the results are predictable.
If the administration was even that concerned, why did Obama take six days to talk to the nation, and then, not even face to face? Bush caught hell just for finishing a chapter in the book he was reading to first graders.
After the uproar, he had to talk tough, but the terrorists are not fooled. We are not serious enough about this, and they know it.
Agreed. In addition, and to draw upon an old saying:
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it
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Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:46:24pm |
re: #774 SanFranciscoZionist
Hedy Epstein (the woman we're talking about) has been with Code Pink for some time. I have no idea what's going on inside her head.
She must be identifying with the Palestinians because of her own experience and obviously hates war. But how does that help her own people? She must feel safe now.
History teaches us there are pauses in the storms which sweep Jews away. Pauses which last 200-400 years and then it is the same old same old all over again.
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tradewind Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:57:35pm |
re: #780 solomonpanting
And to torture the analogy,
Those who are determined to treat the responsibilities of the presidency as if they were the tenure track at an ivy league university are doomed to lead us into disaster.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:49:08pm |
re: #582 Buck
No reason to, and no one has in the past.
Jose Padilla
He can be questioned, has been questioned. We know who sent him, who trained him, and who he aligned himself with.
If you believe the gov't is going to tell us exactly what they know I don't know what else to tell you. The guy has already lawyered up, no more interrogations. We're down to asking his attorney, nicely, if maybe he'll help a brother out by letting us know wtf he was doing and with whom.
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jayzee Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:52:56pm |
re: #609 jayzee
Here is a link re the statements by Clinton. Many others chimed in too.
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